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[QUOTE=MrHo;2533492]But there is even a monger on this forum who claimed that a FKK girls who is protective about their privacy somehow showed him their ID in FKK LOL! I mean believe that LOL! I would love to know what situation a prostitute would show a monger an ID in FKK unless he is a cop LOL! IQ LOL![/QUOTE]You don't understand. The girl wanted a free session for her birthday!

Well actually one girl showed me her prostitute card one time when I doubted her age.

She pretended she was 18, and yes she was really 18 (OK one or two months until her 19th birthday).

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2533328]Unlike our French mountain climbing Casanova, I am not pretending to be God's Gift to women or be some kind of James Bond, but I do try to stay in shape and care for my hygiene, women say I'm cute for my age. And I do a reasonable job in getting laid outside the P6 and FKK environment. I However, do occasionally like the porn star look and I love the luxury of getting laid once on a while without all the 'dating' hassle, and for me this is / was the main reason for visiting FKK clubs: conveniently fuck hot women that I would generally not hang out with or would not necessarily like to introduce to my friends and family.

And yes, 18-19 year old girls are a complete waste of time. I was never a big fan of Janine (DE) in Sharks, but I once caught her sitting alone on that famous couch near the entrance so I decided to give her a go. It was like fucking a blow-up doll and a complete waste of 50 Euros.

Another two good PSE-ish girls in Sharks are Manuela (BG) and Catalina (RO). Nice slender GND bodies, without giant tattoos or giant silicone (but Manuela unfortunately put botox in her lips), but both were very good in bed, they had no shame or inhibitions for a good round of sports-fucking, and they are both genuinely nice girls. I always had a good experience with them.[/QUOTE]Spot on LOL! Many people say many things on this forum, but sometimes delusion is over the top LOL!

Well, privacy sensitive prostitutes will even show ID willingly without asking apparently LOL! Among a lot of other delusional things LOL! Believe that LOL! IQ is in question LOL!

Beuaty is on the eye of their beholders. To me one example I consider as a stunner is Aisha Angel, A Hungarian babe Pornstar.

She has blue eyes, the one you will consider as a rare species nowadays.

You could get her for EUR300 an hour in Budapest. Unfirtunatel whne I was in Bupadest she did not work.

[URL]https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/porn-star-aisha-angel/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Adindas;2533663]Beuaty is on the eye of their beholders. To me one example I consider as a stunner is Aisha Angel, A Hungarian babe Pornstar.

She has blue eyes, the one you will consider as a rare species nowadays.

You could get her for EUR300 an hour in Budapest. Unfirtunatel whne I was in Bupadest she did not work.

[URL]https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/porn-star-aisha-angel/[/URL][/QUOTE]Each one own subjective tastes of course, but with her face and tattooed back like German Lara at Sharks, I would not pay 50 for both, not even going for free, when some looks made me dream in brothels, but I need pretty face to enjoy to kiss, and no good sex without kissing for me. And I love so much when I find a no tattoo nor silicon nor piercing immaculate firm with good waist ass ratio body.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2533676]Each one own subjective tastes of course, but with her face and tattooed back like German Lara at Sharks, I would not pay 50 for both, not even going for free, when some looks made me dream in brothels, but I need pretty face to enjoy to kiss, and no good sex without kissing for me. And I love so much when I find a no tattoo nor silicon nor piercing immaculate firm with good waist ass ratio body.[/QUOTE]German Lara made me laugh once when in the room she bent over for doggie and I spread her ass cheeks and took the tip of my covered penis and played with the entrance to her cornhole and she cried out ¨Please, not my ass!¨.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2533676]Each one own subjective tastes of course, but with her face and tattooed back like German Lara at Sharks, I would not pay 50 for both, not even going for free, when some looks made me dream in brothels, but I need pretty face to enjoy to kiss, and no good sex without kissing for me. And I love so much when I find a no tattoo nor silicon nor piercing immaculate firm with good waist ass ratio body.[/QUOTE]Fair Enough. Indeed, each to their own taste. To me the one like Aisha Angel is a porn star that I would love to try especially at that price if all inclusives.

If I have to choose, I prefer to kiss / lick that nice pussy than lip kissing.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2533708]German Lara made me laugh once when in the room she bent over for doggie and I spread her ass cheeks and took the tip of my covered penis and played with the entrance to her cornhole and she cried out Please, not my ass!.[/QUOTE]German Lara was fun and I always had a great time with her. I preferred her without the big back tat, but still, a fun girl to go with.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2533708]German Lara made me laugh once when in the room she bent over for doggie and I spread her ass cheeks and took the tip of my covered penis and played with the entrance to her cornhole and she cried out Please, not my ass!.[/QUOTE]Some girls like rubbing on hole, but can't enter because too big. Lara was friend with Sandra on 2015.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2533606]You don't understand. The girl wanted a free session for her birthday!

Well actually one girl showed me her prostitute card one time when I doubted her age.

She pretended she was 18, and yes she was really 18 (OK one or two months until her 19th birthday).[/QUOTE]Oh it is you claiming as well? LOL! It is another one we meant, but it is French thing to say things like that LOL! I am sure there is another naive monger that may believe so, but in my case, I do not ask for ID or never face any situation where a prostitute often hide their privacy, which is understandable show any clients ID willingly unless client is a cop LOL!

Look, there is honest poster and not honest poster here on this forum and not honest posters are miserable comedy for us, and some claims are so childish and doubt their IQ, but only time I faced knowing who they are is girls asking me for my SNS connection, and their profiles seems real and guess what, even that I get kicked out after weeks or months or so without any reason, I guess they realized they do not need client on their sns page, which they are right as since most of them hide their friend list even you are connected, I have copy pasted all the photos by seeing who liked her photos and to see if there is another girls I realized through that to copy and paste their photos to for my personal memory and pleasure use LOL!

Session for free now in brothel you say? LOL I guess with good behavior and good manner as another one always claim too? Only time I had free session was in GT, when I remember to bring weed from Venlo (where there is legal coffee shop) because a day before she told me she is out with weed and she could not sleep properly, so I told her roughly I am going to venlo tomorrow before I come, so I bring you some and I actually did bring her as I was buying a 5 gram bag anyways, so I gave her half of bag, and she was so touched by it, and gave me amazing free session! That was the only time I had ever free session in FKK in 11 years of me in FKK! I treat them normally like this, but maybe we other mongers should do good behavior and good manner like you and another one claim so we get free session and all prostitutes run to you two in FKK according to you two's claim among a lot of other crazy cliams LOL! Very miserable comedy for us you two LOL! And hey it was not you we were talking about here, you were not the self claimed Casanova till now LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2533711]Fair Enough. Indeed, each to their own taste. To me the one like Aisha Angel is a porn star that I would love to try especially at that price if all inclusives.

If I have to choose, I prefer to kiss / lick that nice pussy than lip kissing.[/QUOTE]That one has delusional taste, some how Romanian prostitutes are Romanian princesses among a lot of other delusions LOL!

I think you didn't get it but the 'free session' was a joke. You know, it's like when its your birthday, you can enter the club for free but you have to show your ID. So I was joking about maybe there is something like that for the girls, got it now?

And actually I had some kind of free session in GT too, the girl got kind of sick (maybe you gave her some bad weed) and we had to stop the session right now but at the lockers she said 'you don't have to pay' so it was rather honest from her part.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2533737]German Lara was fun and I always had a great time with her. I preferred her without the big back tat, but still, a fun girl to go with.[/QUOTE]Lara was one of those girls who you could enjoy being with outside of having sex. Unfortunately the job has taken its toll on her and her looks declined significantly when I saw her last year. I wanted to do her for old times sake but there were too many other hot girls around.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2533956]Lara was one of those girls who you could enjoy being with outside of having sex. Unfortunately the job has taken its toll on her and her looks declined significantly when I saw her last year. I wanted to do her for old times sake but there were too many other hot girls around.[/QUOTE]Yes, very true. She was always a pleasant person to exchange a few words outside the room. I usually keep a session with her towards the end of my FKK day, to have some long and heavy pounding, which she takes very well. I remember I once sessioned with her and her Greek black-haired friend (can't remember the name now). It was great and wild and I usually don't like 3 somes!

Rock.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2533956]Lara was one of those girls who you could enjoy being with outside of having sex. Unfortunately the job has taken its toll on her and her looks declined significantly when I saw her last year. I wanted to do her for old times sake but there were too many other hot girls around.[/QUOTE]German Lara look didn't change much since 2015? Didn't you mean about German Lena from Koln?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2533796]
? Only time I had free session was in GT, when I remember to bring weed from Venlo (where there is legal coffee shop) because a day before she told me she is out with weed and she could not sleep properly,[/QUOTE]Be careful about that. Sometimes the German cops like to check guys coming over the border. Back in the days when LR was a thing, I was on a train from Venlo. A couple of cops come on board. I turn my eyes away. The first guy, a big mean-looking dude, notices my aversion. They come over.

[NOPARSE]
"Where are you travelling to?!"

"Um, the library."

"Is there anything you would like to admit to before we search you???"

"Uh no."

"What's that big bulge in your pocket?!??"

"Um. A library book?"

"Take it out!!!"

After a dramatic pause, I take it out. Guess what, it's a library book.

The two cops fade away. The second is doing his best not to crack up laughing.
[/NOPARSE]

Didn't NE just change the rules, so foreigners are banned from the coffee shops? I'm a bit confused about the recent proposals.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2534133]Be careful about that. Sometimes the German cops like to check guys coming over the border. Back in the days when LR was a thing, I was on a train from Venlo. A couple of cops come on board. I turn my eyes away. The first guy, a big mean-looking dude, notices my aversion. They come over.

[NOPARSE]
"Where are you travelling to?!"

"Um, the library."

"Is there anything you would like to admit to before we search you???"

"Uh no."

"What's that big bulge in your pocket?!??"

"Um. A library book?"

"Take it out!!!"

After a dramatic pause, I take it out. Guess what, it's a library book.

The two cops fade away. The second is doing his best not to crack up laughing.
[/NOPARSE][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2534133]Be careful about that. Sometimes the German cops like to check guys coming over the border. Back in the days when LR was a thing, I was on a train from Venlo. A couple of cops come on board. I turn my eyes away. The first guy, a big mean-looking dude, notices my aversion. They come over.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I had an incident once on the way to GT on the train, but it was not the weed that worried me, but I had no ID on me as I left passport (I still do) at my hotel safe, and police was on board to check random people on train for ID, and guess what! They looked at me and they did not even pick me to check LOL! I mean I look foreigner, but they were checking others like white folks and other people who looked non white, but somehow, they did not check me LOL! It was not from Venlo though, it was from Duss route, but I just did not want to be taken to police station to be checked due to no ID on me as you know there are only few train per hour in that route and more importantly, GT is day club, I would not want miss fresh noon line up to catch the stunners first shift of the day!

However, if police did choose me and check ID and I got no ID and take me to station to check me, I would definitely ask them for lift to GT! I mean whatta fuck! I would be honest why I am here for and also explain them why it messed up my day if I get to GT late, so I will ask for their lift to GT to be there at noon!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2533884]I think you didn't get it but the 'free session' was a joke. You know, it's like when its your birthday, you can enter the club for free but you have to show your ID. So I was joking about maybe there is something like that for the girls, got it now?

And actually I had some kind of free session in GT too, the girl got kind of sick (maybe you gave her some bad weed) and we had to stop the session right now but at the lockers she said 'you don't have to pay' so it was rather honest from her part.[/QUOTE]Then write joke instead of writing a girl wanted free session for her birthday as it sound like other French monger is claiming and it was not you we were discussing about, it is other French, but then you began to say about your free session for birthday thing that now you say was a joke and also ID was prostitute card! Well I know for palace, they have two ID, one is for a house with their fake club name for tuting to enter the club etc, and other one is their real ID with their real name, but man! I really do not care about their real names or which city they are from like some few mongers do like French self claimed Casanova in FKK where you do not need to be Casanova there, but to just pay money LOL!

I do like to know their nations as I like to know which nationalities I fucked in my life, and I am doing good job fucking young stunners from all over the world, like the cane said, varieties are spices of life and for me varieties are young stunner from all skin colors!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2534145]Didn't NE just change the rules, so foreigners are banned from the coffee shops? I'm a bit confused about the recent proposals.[/QUOTE]I think that's in Amsterdam, but if so, I have my many West African business associates at various very natural office branches all over Germany called public parks LOL! Good and fair guys and do not rip you off and very fair dealing set of guys LOL!

In Berlin, I go to Goelitzer park, not to pick nick, but to visit my West African friends for 2 minutes, Hi, how are you?, good, pay, bye friendly meetings LOL! It is tolerated in Germany, and so far I had no problem and once in Artemis, I cooked some THC oil in hotel room and drunk too much and I was so fucked in Artemis LOL and one half German Turkish girl had to take care of me making sure I am ok LOL! I even almost fall from stairs after the session and a girl had to escort me to walk down to money safe box LOL! Good memories at Artemis with weed, fear and loathing in las Vegas style LOL! I tripped to heaven from Artemis as I was so fucked and fucking and when I cum, wow wow we are to heaven LOL! That is how you die having sex LOL! Stoned to the core trying to cum and finally cum to outer space LOL!

But now, I hit 40, I do not buy weed to go to FKK anymore, at least I did not in 2019 and 2020, so lets see, but once in awhile I may visit my west African friend to buy just one gram, not the whole bag of five gram LOL!

In venlo, you have to buy member card at coffee shop by the way, so they have your ID copied! It cost like 5 euro I think or something like that to be member, I got the member paper somewhere still LOL! FKK with weed and legal drug like Cialis is big fun LOL! Stoned to the core with your dick always up even after the session in main bar LOL! This is what I call outer space feeling with strong antenna signal LOL!

How is this free? It is free only when no cash, goods or any kind of services were offered in exchange for sex. You offered her weed and service of transporting it illegally across a sovereign border.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2533796]Oh it is you claiming as well? LOL! It is another one we meant, but it is French thing to say things like that LOL! I am sure there is another naive monger that may believe so, but in my case, I do not ask for ID or never face any situation where a prostitute often hide their privacy, which is understandable show any clients ID willingly unless client is a cop LOL!

Look, there is honest poster and not honest poster here on this forum and not honest posters are miserable comedy for us, and some claims are so childish and doubt their IQ, but only time I faced knowing who they are is girls asking me for my SNS connection, and their profiles seems real and guess what, even that I get kicked out after weeks or months or so without any reason, I guess they realized they do not need client on their sns page, which they are right as since most of them hide their friend list even you are connected, I have copy pasted all the photos by seeing who liked her photos and to see if there is another girls I realized through that to copy and paste their photos to for my personal memory and pleasure use LOL!

Session for free now in brothel you say? LOL I guess with good behavior and good manner as another one always claim too? Only time I had free session was in GT, when I remember to bring weed from Venlo (where there is legal coffee shop) because a day before she told me she is out with weed and she could not sleep properly, so I told her roughly I am going to venlo tomorrow before I come, so I bring you some and I actually did bring her as I was buying a 5 gram bag anyways, so I gave her half of bag, and she was so touched by it, and gave me amazing free session!.[/QUOTE]

I wonder what will happen once all the clubs reopen. Will there be a long line of girls waiting to get back to work? Or will all, or most of the former girls have moved on for good? Will the amount of new recruits be exceptional? Or will the clubs all be thin on their lineups? Will clubs let less beautiful women work there instead? Or will they all get to handpick some of the hottest girls due to a more strained economy than ever?

If we are lucky, we will find out in a few months. Maybe some clubs will reopen this June. Or at least by July. Time to save some money and reduce the spent on new gadgets, cars and technology soon.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2534083]German Lara look didn't change much since 2015? Didn't you mean about German Lena from Koln?[/QUOTE]German Lena changed worse than Lara. Lena was so hot when I did her in 2016. When I saw her last year I did not recognize her at first but still went to the room with her as I had not seen her for the three previous years. Her face and body were no where as nice as in 2016.

I had been going to the room consistently with German Lara up to 2019. Last year she came and talked with me and we had a nice conversation. Unfortunately, I noticed that she looked too much older than she did in 2019 and her body looked different as well. It kind of hurt me that I did not want to go to the room with her but I had my eyes on other nubile princesses whom I had not yet sampled.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2533884]I think you didn't get it but the 'free session' was a joke. You know, it's like when its your birthday, you can enter the club for free but you have to show your ID.....[/QUOTE]Once in Medellin, Colombia in the hotel, management sent a nice female employee to my room with cake with lighted candle and chocolate on my birthday. I was a bit disappointed when all I was allowed to sample was the cake and chocolate.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2534286]Once in Medellin, Colombia in the hotel, management sent a nice female employee to my room with cake with lighted candle and chocolate on my birthday. I was a bit disappointed when all I was allowed to sample was the cake and chocolate.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Rio, the hotel surprised me with a free bottle of champagne on my birthday! I happened to have just finished an anal session with the porn star Elisa Sanches LOL! She was still there, so she had a glass of champagne with me hehehe!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534243]I wonder what will happen once all the clubs reopen. Will there be a long line of girls waiting to get back to work? Or will all, or most of the former girls have moved on for good? Will the amount of new recruits be exceptional? Or will the clubs all be thin on their lineups? Will clubs let less beautiful women work there instead? Or will they all get to handpick some of the hottest girls due to a more strained economy than ever?

If we are lucky, we will find out in a few months. Maybe some clubs will reopen this June. Or at least by July. Time to save some money and reduce the spent on new gadgets, cars and technology soon.[/QUOTE]There's long been migration from Ro to western europe for better jobs what does that tell you? Good jobs are hard to come by especially if you're lacking skills or experience. Most of these girls try their luck in the beauty industry which has taken a hit in the crisis. A year without work can burn through the savings fairly quickly if they had any.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534243]I wonder what will happen once all the clubs reopen. Will there be a long line of girls waiting to get back to work? Or will all, or most of the former girls have moved on for good? Will the amount of new recruits be exceptional? Or will the clubs all be thin on their lineups? Will clubs let less beautiful women work there instead? Or will they all get to handpick some of the hottest girls due to a more strained economy than ever?

If we are lucky, we will find out in a few months. Maybe some clubs will reopen this June. Or at least by July. Time to save some money and reduce the spent on new gadgets, cars and technology soon.[/QUOTE]From 2005 to 2010 every weeks there were buses full of new girls coming from Hungary or Romania travelling to FKK land. After that the things got more slowly and from 2015 less and less new girls entered the P6 industry. I don t believe that the things will change a lot, I am afraid that we will have very few new girls and always the same veteran girls around.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2534342]From 2005 to 2010 every weeks there were buses full of new girls coming from Hungary or Romania travelling to FKK land. After that the things got more slowly and from 2015 less and less new girls entered the P6 industry. I don t believe that the things will change a lot, I am afraid that we will have very few new girls and always the same veteran girls around.[/QUOTE]Not entirely sure I agree. Certainly in Spain, whilst clubs are still open under restrictions they are finding a conflict between two things: several girls have gone home (mainly EE and S America) because of the lack of customers currently. But simultaneously there are more new arrivals than previously because the pandemic has impacted incomes and girls who previously were not in the P6 game are resorting to it for a quick turnaround of money (believing they will just make enough then leave it again. Which we all know is harder than they ever imagined because going back to low money in a normal job becomes hard to live with in comparison to what the pretty girls can make in P6 lands). Hence with fresh new ladies available I'm not sure so many of the old veterans will stick around if they are getting very little business.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534243]I wonder what will happen once all the clubs reopen. Will there be a long line of girls waiting to get back to work? Or will all, or most of the former girls have moved on for good? Will the amount of new recruits be exceptional? Or will the clubs all be thin on their lineups? Will clubs let less beautiful women work there instead? Or will they all get to handpick some of the hottest girls due to a more strained economy than ever?

If we are lucky, we will find out in a few months. Maybe some clubs will reopen this June. Or at least by July. Time to save some money and reduce the spent on new gadgets, cars and technology soon.[/QUOTE]We could experience when reopened on 2020, with mostly same girls, Bruggen oldies moved to LR and some LR girls left and found and welcoming elsewhere like Samya and even in Switzerland like Reina. I don't know when but pretty sure Switzerland and Austria should reopen, but not so sure for Germany when after Angela election to come and not sure Bavarian will help brothels when he wants to close Austrian border. Wait and see, have to adapt to new world, only 2 meetings with same escort on this year, but after great Cortina championships, really wonderful Dolomiti I m in love for, I miss so much ski.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2534376]Not entirely sure I agree. Certainly in Spain, whilst clubs are still open under restrictions they are finding a conflict between two things: several girls have gone home (mainly EE and S America) because of the lack of customers currently. But simultaneously there are more new arrivals than previously because the pandemic has impacted incomes and girls who previously were not in the P6 game are resorting to it for a quick turnaround of money (believing they will just make enough then leave it again. Which we all know is harder than they ever imagined because going back to low money in a normal job becomes hard to live with in comparison to what the pretty girls can make in P6 lands). Hence with fresh new ladies available I'm not sure so many of the old veterans will stick around if they are getting very little business.[/QUOTE]Agree with your point, there are good chances that some no pro girls will enter the business probably mostly German or living in Germany for the others it is always more complicated to travel solo to Germany without speaking the language and without any relations.

[QUOTE=DirkMingInt;2534179]How is this free? It is free only when no cash, goods or any kind of services were offered in exchange for sex. You offered her weed and service of transporting it illegally across a sovereign border.[/QUOTE]Oh was it illegal? LOL Maybe crossing part could be, but other than that weed is legal in Holland and tolerated in Germany, but I will ask my friend who is a lawyer in Germany one day if I decide to go back to gt, which is unlikely or even duss LOL!

It is never free, I just did not have to pay cash, which I do not mind paying it is only 50 euro or 100 euro in GT! So if you want to be so precise, I did pay 25 euro and transportation of weed, but I was going to transport it anyways, it is mostly for me, but she needed it so voila, I gave some monger weed in Artemis and GT too because I was smoking outside and they asked me for a puff, so I told them to wait till the half and I give you the rest of the joint as I did not want to share joint with them!

Man, I hope you are not tight ass LOL! Rules are there to be broken and weed is not big deal in Europe, it is all legal or decriminalized! Either way, I do not care, if I want to smoke I would in most nations where punishments are slap on hand, but in illegal nations completely, I do not and I more or less no longer smoke now anyways! But I still do miss it sometimes LOL!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2534376]Not entirely sure I agree. Certainly in Spain, whilst clubs are still open under restrictions they are finding a conflict between two things: several girls have gone home (mainly EE and S America) because of the lack of customers currently. But simultaneously there are more new arrivals than previously because the pandemic has impacted incomes and girls who previously were not in the P6 game are resorting to it for a quick turnaround of money (believing they will just make enough then leave it again. Which we all know is harder than they ever imagined because going back to low money in a normal job becomes hard to live with in comparison to what the pretty girls can make in P6 lands). Hence with fresh new ladies available I'm not sure so many of the old veterans will stick around if they are getting very little business.[/QUOTE]Good mindset. It's hard to get a gauge on the actual economic situation in Eastern Europe by talking to the WGs because most girls are not exactly in tune with economics and the general populace, they live in their own world. I wonder how the economic situations in EE will affect poverty and its effect on new WG infusion into the Western Europe scene.

My optimistic side (for mongers) thinks that girls who have only been in the industry for a few years will quickly return to replenish their cash stores and the poor economic situations in EE will lead to a lot of new talent.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2534376]Not entirely sure I agree. Certainly in Spain, whilst clubs are still open under restrictions they are finding a conflict between two things: several girls have gone home (mainly EE and S America) because of the lack of customers currently. But simultaneously there are more new arrivals than previously because the pandemic has impacted incomes and girls who previously were not in the P6 game are resorting to it for a quick turnaround of money (believing they will just make enough then leave it again. Which we all know is harder than they ever imagined because going back to low money in a normal job becomes hard to live with in comparison to what the pretty girls can make in P6 lands). Hence with fresh new ladies available I'm not sure so many of the old veterans will stick around if they are getting very little business.[/QUOTE]Oh Spain's brothel is open? Then why our self claimed French Casanova is not mumbling and bragging about his delusional experiences with his Romanian princesses that do not exist in reality LOL! There supposed to be many Romanian prostitutes there is Spanish brothels or maybe they cannot come due to travel restriction?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2534288]Last time I was in Rio, the hotel surprised me with a free bottle of champagne on my birthday! I happened to have just finished an anal session with the porn star Elisa Sanches LOL! She was still there, so she had a glass of champagne with me hehehe![/QUOTE]You must have been very popular topic among hotel staffs behind staff's door LOL! The guest with porn star LOL!

[QUOTE=Palcon;2534332]There's long been migration from Ro to western europe for better jobs what does that tell you? Good jobs are hard to come by especially if you're lacking skills or experience. Most of these girls try their luck in the beauty industry which has taken a hit in the crisis. A year without work can burn through the savings fairly quickly if they had any.[/QUOTE]So you are telling this hentai mongers here that are more young stunner level beauties are shifting from beauty industry to FKK industry after pandemic is over and FKK door is open to international hentai beasts? LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2534427]You must have been very popular topic among hotel staffs behind staff's door LOL! The guest with porn star LOL![/QUOTE]I don't know if any of the hotel staff knew who she was or recognized her at all. I remember that each time she came over, the front desk would call me and ask me if it was OK if she came up to my room. Hell yeah! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534417]Good mindset. It's hard to get a gauge on the actual economic situation in Eastern Europe by talking to the WGs because most girls are not exactly in tune with economics and the general populace, they live in their own world. I wonder how the economic situations in EE will affect poverty and its effect on new WG infusion into the Western Europe scene.

My optimistic side (for mongers) thinks that girls who have only been in the industry for a few years will quickly return to replenish their cash stores and the poor economic situations in EE will lead to a lot of new talent.[/QUOTE]And us monger hentai beasts await in the darkness of FKK main bar to pollute them into our wicked world of hentai mongering LOL!

The pride of all French men, Pierre Woodman style is the way to go! Casting FKK new girls LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534243]I wonder what will happen once all the clubs reopen. Will there be a long line of girls waiting to get back to work? Or will all, or most of the former girls have moved on for good? Will the amount of new recruits be exceptional? Or will the clubs all be thin on their lineups? Will clubs let less beautiful women work there instead? Or will they all get to handpick some of the hottest girls due to a more strained economy than ever?

If we are lucky, we will find out in a few months. Maybe some clubs will reopen this June. Or at least by July. Time to save some money and reduce the spent on new gadgets, cars and technology soon.[/QUOTE]I think girls just have set of guys who use them as some kind of escort or some sex arrangement during pandemic, which supported them to survive, but FKK by far makes more money than private deals, so girls will eventually come back once FKK is fully open, but not semi open! This is the reason we get top escort girls in FKK sometimes once in blue moon because FKK is lucrative deals even for them during low season! And FKK is more free trade for them with more freedom! Aren't we lucky LOL!

[QUOTE=Palcon;2534332]T Good jobs are hard to come by especially if you're lacking skills or experience. Most of these girls try their luck in the beauty industry which has taken a hit in the crisis. A year without work can burn through the savings fairly quickly if they had any.[/QUOTE]You have a point here. Quite a few of the girls that I know opened something related to the beauty industry. I wonder how many clients they have especially with the restrictions that are in Romania too. I guess they have spent somewhat less than previous because of traveling restrictions.

A lot of the WGs seem to have "invested" in lips and boobs. I swear all the pics I saw of these girls since spring 2020 shows new lips, new boobs or new tattoos.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2534472]I think girls just have set of guys who use them as some kind of escort or some sex arrangement during pandemic, which supported them to survive, but FKK by far makes more money than private deals, so girls will eventually come back once FKK is fully open, but not semi open! This is the reason we get top escort girls in FKK sometimes once in blue moon because FKK is lucrative deals even for them during low season! And FKK is more free trade for them with more freedom! Aren't we lucky LOL![/QUOTE]I can't fully agree with you when you speak about freedom. Some girls don't like at all the FKK rules, for example they can t leave when they want (mostly working on shifts), when they do private escorting (outcalls of course working in apartments is not escort for me) they can go shopping when they want, look a movie, put their appointments when they want. The most beautiful escorts I met in Germany where real German students (not FKK students) they will never work in a FKK for them it is just low end prostitution, and they don t want to be fucked so many times every day, they are very careful about their physical and even more mental health.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2534467]I don't know if any of the hotel staff knew who she was or recognized her at all. I remember that each time she came over, the front desk would call me and ask me if it was OK if she came up to my room. Hell yeah! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Hell yeah and heaven await LOL! But the staff for sure knew that you ain't a regular joe LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2534387]Agree with your point, there are good chances that some no pro girls will enter the business probably mostly German or living in Germany for the others it is always more complicated to travel solo to Germany without speaking the language and without any relations.[/QUOTE]I don't know if getting to Germany or Austria will be very hard. Hopping on a Flixbus is quite easy. And the clubs can help with accommodation usually for some time.

Ok, maybe not Flixbus as they don't operate in Romania. But some other company.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2534428]So you are telling this hentai mongers here that are more young stunner level beauties are shifting from beauty industry to FKK industry after pandemic is over and FKK door is open to international hentai beasts? LOL![/QUOTE]Unless he is just confused by the fact that most girls who travel to work in FKK's tell their friends and family in Romania that went to Germany to work at a Chanel or Gucci store in the first place.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2534472]I think girls just have set of guys who use them as some kind of escort or some sex arrangement during pandemic, which supported them to survive, but FKK by far makes more money than private deals, so girls will eventually come back once FKK is fully open, but not semi open! This is the reason we get top escort girls in FKK sometimes once in blue moon because FKK is lucrative deals even for them during low season! And FKK is more free trade for them with more freedom! Aren't we lucky LOL![/QUOTE]Offering Sex in return for money works like any other services. You are more likely to get more customer if offer your services in a wider market. An FKK is doing a great job, it works like a market, matching the service providers and those who need that service to meet each other's.

When people could sell their services in an open market than it will help to increase the market efficiency. It will reduce the dependency of the intermediary, the middleman. For us punters, it will reduce the cost of punting.

FKK could do better if they build their premises very close to public transport hub. Not necessarily on the city but people should be able to reach them via public transport easily. Alternatively, they should provide a frequent commuting service from a public transport hub 24/7.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2534472]I think girls just have set of guys who use them as some kind of escort or some sex arrangement during pandemic, which supported them to survive, but FKK by far makes more money than private deals, so girls will eventually come back once FKK is fully open, but not semi open! This is the reason we get top escort girls in FKK sometimes once in blue moon because FKK is lucrative deals even for them during low season! And FKK is more free trade for them with more freedom! Aren't we lucky LOL![/QUOTE]Every single one of my favourite girls I have met at FKK's have mainly worked at FKK's. In my experience it is the 2nd rate girls who claim they have worked in London or somewhere as escort. And although they may be able to get a higher hourly pay there, the time lost between the rooms are much longer. And other factors also reduces the fun of working from private apartments. Stupid landlords, drunk English customers etc etc.

Regarding the girls income during the pandemic. I wonder how the camgirl business is going for some girls. How much those girls earn etc. I know they don't get much more than small cut of the money there. But I wonder if there is any overlap at all between FKK girls and camgirls. Or if camgirls are just stuck as camgirls for 10 years at a time. Some investigation has lead me to think that marketing bureaus are taking maybe 25%. Then out of the rest of the cut, the camgirl bureaus / agencies (if they work from those), like one pretty central in Bucharest is taking maybe 50% of the remaining share. And a lot of them are just sitting idle. I would never spend any money on any of them, since I fear it will make them stuck in a bad business. FKK's should be better for them, and the pimping percentage is far less at FKK's.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2534568]Offering Sex in return for money works like any other services. You are more likely to get more customer if offer your services in a wider market. An FKK is doing a great job, it works like a market, matching the service providers and those who need that service to meet each other's.

When people could sell their services in an open market than it will help to increase the market efficiency. It will reduce the dependency of the intermediary, the middleman. For us punters, it will reduce the cost of punting.

FKK could do better if they build their premises very close to public transport hub. Not necessarily on the city but people should be able to reach them via public transport easily. Alternatively, they should provide a frequent commuting service from a public transport hub 24/7.[/QUOTE]Well, fed restrict the area where you can open FKK, but hey, most FKK I go to are very accessible with public transport, palace, Artemis, LR, sharks, I went only with train and foot and even FKK ocean I went with train and food one time as bus station was under construction and decided to walk, I got lost and ended up in forest at around 7 pm in German winter with no wifi, what a monger do for beautiful young stunner pussy hey LOL! I did get there eventually LOL! Most FKK can be done with train and foot or bus, my personal experience! Also combine it with taxi makes it even easier, as taxi ride is usually around 15 euro from closest station, not even!

Yeah, talk about amazon, but FKK is best format that I have seen where almost normal girls could be even seen during summer, well at least back in early 2010's LOL!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2534497]You have a point here. Quite a few of the girls that I know opened something related to the beauty industry. I wonder how many clients they have especially with the restrictions that are in Romania too. I guess they have spent somewhat less than previous because of traveling restrictions.

A lot of the WGs seem to have "invested" in lips and boobs. I swear all the pics I saw of these girls since spring 2020 shows new lips, new boobs or new tattoos.[/QUOTE]A guy that actually knows what he's talking about. Most WGs especially veterans aren't going to find a good normal job or work at the supermarket. They open up salons and its about supply and demand. The crisis was already hard on that industry and it's not like many of them have management skills to run a business once in a while you'll get one that is successful but most will fail and burn their savings.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534582]Every single one of my favourite girls I have met at FKK's have mainly worked at FKK's. In my experience it is the 2nd rate girls who claim they have worked in London or somewhere as escort. And although they may be able to get a higher hourly pay there, the time lost between the rooms are much longer. And other factors also reduces the fun of working from private apartments. Stupid landlords, drunk English customers etc etc.[/QUOTE]In FKKs the working hours are longer, girls have to sit around (semi) naked all the time, they need more clients to make money. On the upside, there is a steady stream of potential clients, there is much less risk if there are disagreements with the clients, getting paid, safety issues.

Escorts often need to advertise with pictures showing their face to get business, they will meet clients that they haven't even seen before, both outcalls or incalls can be risky. In FKKs they can vet the most obvious creeps during a 5 minutes discussion, plus they can get info from the other girls how the client is. Escorts could use the downtime between bookings for personal stuff.

Horses for courses.

Disclaimer: I don't know any girl that did only escorting. I know girls that worked only in FKKs, or worked both FKKs and escorting.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534584]Regarding the girls income during the pandemic. I wonder how the camgirl business is going for some girls. How much those girls earn etc. I know they don't get much more than small cut of the money there. But I wonder if there is any overlap at all between FKK girls and camgirls. Or if camgirls are just stuck as camgirls for 10 years at a time. Some investigation has lead me to think that marketing bureaus are taking maybe 25%. Then out of the rest of the cut, the camgirl bureaus / agencies (if they work from those), like one pretty central in Bucharest is taking maybe 50% of the remaining share. And a lot of them are just sitting idle. I would never spend any money on any of them, since I fear it will make them stuck in a bad business. FKK's should be better for them, and the pimping percentage is far less at FKK's.[/QUOTE]"Pimping percentage is far less at FKK" I can t agree with you, the vast majority of the girls in FKK have a so called BF may be not a pimp but a BF who is taking care of most of the practical aspects of the job: finding a new FKK, or escort somewhere in Europe, renting the apartment, driving the girls back to home and drop them to the job. Transfer the money to Romania, most of the girls have no bank account in Germany and no driving license.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534537]Unless he is just confused by the fact that most girls who travel to work in FKK's tell their friends and family in Romania that went to Germany to work at a Chanel or Gucci store in the first place.[/QUOTE]They usually work in cafe, bar or restaurant or sometimes event company, well FKK is kinda event company providing them the platform to provide us mongers with sexual event called sex LOL! So they can buy Chanel and Gucci with the money they earned from us LOL!

So they ain't lying totally LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534582]Every single one of my favourite girls I have met at FKK's have mainly worked at FKK's. In my experience it is the 2nd rate girls who claim they have worked in London or somewhere as escort. And although they may be able to get a higher hourly pay there, the time lost between the rooms are much longer. And other factors also reduces the fun of working from private apartments. Stupid landlords, drunk English customers etc etc.[/QUOTE]Some yes, but I only go with top stunners and some of them do work in top escort because they advertise me their agency's site because they are not in FKK most of times, but the agency charges like 500 euro per hour and I pay 150 euro on FKK, so why the hell do I book them through agency when they are not in FKK? Because when they are in FKK and I find them, I make sure I repeat and do all the hentai wishes dirty sex that I can possibly think of, so I am already satisfied with her after 2 or 3 repeated sessions at FKK, my hentai wishes has been fulfilled LOL! So some of them do work in good top agencies, as for some Romanians I do not believe a damn word LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2534680]"Pimping percentage is far less at FKK" I can t agree with you, the vast majority of the girls in FKK have a so called BF may be not a pimp but a BF who is taking care of most of the practical aspects of the job: finding a new FKK, or escort somewhere in Europe, renting the apartment, driving the girls back to home and drop them to the job. Transfer the money to Romania, most of the girls have no bank account in Germany and no driving license.[/QUOTE]Pimps and boyfriends, loverboys and relates system or platforms are monger's friends, they send girls we fuck into FKK! So I am grateful for their service and they are grateful for our money, we support each other! And their price strategy is very reasonable even with upsell of 150 euro per hour!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534582]Every single one of my favourite girls I have met at FKK's have mainly worked at FKK's. In my experience it is the 2nd rate girls who claim they have worked in London or somewhere as escort. And although they may be able to get a higher hourly pay there, the time lost between the rooms are much longer. And other factors also reduces the fun of working from private apartments. Stupid landlords, drunk English customers etc etc.[/QUOTE]How to you know that? If it is just by listening to the girl? Never believe any world from a prostitute. I can guarantee you that the majority of the girls in FKK have or done or will do other activities like escort, working in Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Holland, London, Switzerland than just FKK. For most of the girls when they are new in a FKK the business is very good but after several days, weeks the business is slowing down just because the mongers need new girls all the time. To maintain their income the girls have to go to another FKK or trying escort. Apartments.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2534609]A guy that actually knows what he's talking about. Most WGs especially veterans aren't going to find a good normal job or work at the supermarket. They open up salons and its about supply and demand. The crisis was already hard on that industry and it's not like many of them have management skills to run a business once in a while you'll get one that is successful but most will fail and burn their savings.[/QUOTE]Fully agree with you, most of the girls don t want to learn a job, they just want to be a boss and usually they fail. Of course you have exceptions, girls who pass the driving license, return to school to learn a job but it is really not the vast majority. Imagine a veteran girl after 5 years in a FKK what additional skills have she acquired, sucking, fucking, smoking, drinking, may be taking drug all this have 0 value in normal life.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2534643]In FKKs the working hours are longer, girls have to sit around (semi) naked all the time, they need more clients to make money. On the upside, there is a steady stream of potential clients, there is much less risk if there are disagreements with the clients, getting paid, safety issues.

Escorts often need to advertise with pictures showing their face to get business, they will meet clients that they haven't even seen before, both outcalls or incalls can be risky. In FKKs they can vet the most obvious creeps during a 5 minutes discussion, plus they can get info from the other girls how the client is. Escorts could use the downtime between bookings for personal stuff.

Horses for courses.

Disclaimer: I don't know any girl that did only escorting. I know girls that worked only in FKKs, or worked both FKKs and escorting.[/QUOTE]At Big Sharks south Frankfurt, girls can arrive and leave when they want, why some girls like this club for freedom, even business fell with many Balkanians now at night, same like at Globe.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2534680]"Pimping percentage is far less at FKK" I can t agree with you, the vast majority of the girls in FKK have a so called BF may be not a pimp but a BF who is taking care of most of the practical aspects of the job: finding a new FKK, or escort somewhere in Europe, renting the apartment, driving the girls back to home and drop them to the job. Transfer the money to Romania, most of the girls have no bank account in Germany and no driving license.[/QUOTE]Well, given the context of my posts, I assumed it was clear what I meant by pimping percentage.

By pimping, or pimps in this context, I am referring to tax authorities, agencies, landlords etc etc. And I define all workers in all jobs as prostitutes. From doctors and nurses to McDonald's employees.

And you don't seem to have a clear overview on how the system of supply and demand in the p6 industry in Europe works, but no need for me to write that down here. But the so-called boyfriends are hardly the ones pulling the strings. It is simply just supply and demand. And through networking, the get to know where to go. The cost of this networking can be compared to Webcam agencies, but far far cheaper. And there are no absolute need for them to be affiliated either, but it might give them more intel on where the money is to be found. In a way it works like a marketing bureau. Then again, the actual marketing companies operating on behalf of the Webcam sites adds an extra layer on top of this again. Thus reducing their salaries even further. So I doubt many girls find great income in that. FKKs should be far more lucrative.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2534819]Fully agree with you, most of the girls don t want to learn a job, they just want to be a boss and usually they fail. Of course you have exceptions, girls who pass the driving license, return to school to learn a job but it is really not the vast majority. Imagine a veteran girl after 5 years in a FKK what additional skills have she acquired, sucking, fucking, smoking, drinking, may be taking drug all this have 0 value in normal life.[/QUOTE]They surely learnt how to suck and lick dick good LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2534819]Fully agree with you, most of the girls don t want to learn a job, they just want to be a boss and usually they fail. Of course you have exceptions, girls who pass the driving license, return to school to learn a job but it is really not the vast majority. Imagine a veteran girl after 5 years in a FKK what additional skills have she acquired, sucking, fucking, smoking, drinking, may be taking drug all this have 0 value in normal life.[/QUOTE]I knew girls who wanted to open a business. One at World was proud and full smiling to tell me on March 2015 she was graduated and from her own care, I'm sure she would have become the best in north Frankfurt where she planned to try, and I was really happy for her, but she stayed at World for more than 1 year and pretty sure she never opened her business in Germany. One at LR opened business at home, but returned, moving to Bruggen business. One at Globe told me she lost money in business at home and also returned to Globe. And since 1 year, business become more and more complicated under crisis, when my welcoming Globe busiest superstar, at this time wow Romanians at Globe, could make 30.000 CHF on a less than 1 month tour, but always welcoming when I was only a tramp not worthing more than 2% in her business, but I know how You treat me as she said, coming to me, French tramp being Globe superstar first choice, even stopping with clients in public when seeing me, or telling: You found a new girlfriend? Even she was busy, but looking at what I did, I love such interesting behavior.

I've decided that I would like to take my next major mongering trip to Germany. Stops in Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, Augsburg, and Dusseldorf. Then finally back to Frankfurt for a few days before finally departing. But, I absolutely won't commit to the journey until I am 100% convinced that things on the ground there have returned to normal. I'm talking the major clubs all open, and the pretty tutes all returned to Germany with their tight pussies, and even tighter butt holes. Unfortunately, I just can't envision this desirable state of affairs until sometime in 2022. Sigh!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2535277]I've decided that I would like to take my next major mongering trip to Germany. Stops in Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, Augsburg, and Dusseldorf. Then finally back to Frankfurt for a few days before finally departing. But, I absolutely won't commit to the journey until I am 100% convinced that things on the ground there have returned to normal. I'm talking the major clubs all open, and the pretty tutes all returned to Germany with their tight pussies, and even tighter butt holes. Unfortunately, I just can't envision this desirable state of affairs until sometime in 2022. Sigh![/QUOTE]Then, you have time to make sport to be fit powerful for your all over Germany sex marathon. Even at Globe for 200, no girl never proposed me anal, I really don't understand why? Only long time Melissa at Oase did on June 2014 and screamed: you kill my ass, after 10 seconds, when I didn't fully enter yet. Couldn't also full enter in Italian Anna at Wellcum on August 2016. But some girls are sensitive when we rub.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2535277]I've decided that I would like to take my next major mongering trip to Germany. Stops in Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, Augsburg, and Dusseldorf. Then finally back to Frankfurt for a few days before finally departing. But, I absolutely won't commit to the journey until I am 100% convinced that things on the ground there have returned to normal. I'm talking the major clubs all open, and the pretty tutes all returned to Germany with their tight pussies, and even tighter butt holes. Unfortunately, I just can't envision this desirable state of affairs until sometime in 2022. Sigh![/QUOTE]Maybe, it will be back toward the end of this year, but for long trip like that, Germany is much better during summer season! Though winter scenery from train windows are mesmerizing, but I also love smell of grass and wheat through train window during summer in Germany, it is nice break between obscene environment of FKK LOL!

Brazil must be tempting for you, but considering the situation of Brazil is as bad as France and England, now more France, it is better off to choose Germany for safer trip! But vaccines are here, so lets see if new version of corona will catch up with vaccine and won't work or vaccines and human immune will beat the new version of corona!

Augsburg, is it any good?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2534867]Well, given the context of my posts, I assumed it was clear what I meant by pimping percentage.

By pimping, or pimps in this context, I am referring to tax authorities, agencies, landlords etc etc. And I define all workers in all jobs as prostitutes. From doctors and nurses to McDonald's employees.

And you don't seem to have a clear overview on how the system of supply and demand in the p6 industry in Europe works, but no need for me to write that down here. But the so-called boyfriends are hardly the ones pulling the strings. It is simply just supply and demand. And through networking, the get to know where to go. The cost of this networking can be compared to Webcam agencies, but far far cheaper. And there are no absolute need for them to be affiliated either, but it might give them more intel on where the money is to be found. In a way it works like a marketing bureau. Then again, the actual marketing companies operating on behalf of the Webcam sites adds an extra layer on top of this again. Thus reducing their salaries even further. So I doubt many girls find great income in that. FKKs should be far more lucrative.[/QUOTE]Well we have self claimed French Casonova want to be in this forum thinking he is pimp with good behavior and good manner, bragging and claiming about whole a lot of delusional experiences in FKK that is not reality LOL! FKK is mental hospital for some delusional individual to let them dream and hallucinate delusional things because in real world nobody with IQ more than 15 won't believe such a crap LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2535397]Augsburg, is it any good?[/QUOTE]I don't know, but I would like to try FKK Colosseum for a couple of days just for something new. Never been there. Also the clubs in the Dusseldorf metro area. No interest in returning to Munich or Cologne to monger. I already know I like the clubs in the Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin metros. Augsburg and Dusseldorf would be just about trying something new. To see if I might be interested in returning if I like the clubs in those areas well enough. Something tells me I won't. But, a monger has to ultimately experience and decide for himself.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2535400]Well we have self claimed French Casonova want to be in this forum thinking he is pimp with good behavior and good manner, bragging and claiming about whole a lot of delusional experiences in FKK that is not reality LOL! FKK is mental hospital for some delusional individual to let them dream and hallucinate delusional things because in real world nobody with IQ more than 15 won't believe such a crap LOL![/QUOTE]You can say a lot of things about a French Casanova, but if you have been to FKKs yourself in the past 10 years I am sure you have bumped into him several times. As I have myself. So the stories are true. The framing is always subjective.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2534680]"Pimping percentage is far less at FKK" I can t agree with you, the vast majority of the girls in FKK have a so called BF may be not a pimp but a BF who is taking care of most of the practical aspects of the job: finding a new FKK, or escort somewhere in Europe, renting the apartment, driving the girls back to home and drop them to the job. Transfer the money to Romania, most of the girls have no bank account in Germany and no driving license.[/QUOTE]

Many of FKK girls are over 25. Lover boys/BFs with benefit for the girls over 25yo are just utter nonsense. Let alone these girls are willing to let their Lover boys/BFs to take most of the cut of their earning?? Well people say love is blind. A few are but majority are not, unless they belongs to the extreme case of idiocy.

Keep in mind these 25+ FKK girls got married earlier and many have got children at home to feed. They used to have husbands / Partners / BFs (whatever you want to call it) who just used them and then left for whatever reason let them alone to up bring their children. Are they going to sacrafice their own children at home in favour of their new Lover boys/BFs/Pimps ?? If you are already in this difficult journey, are you going to take the same route and fall into the same trap again?

Bookings the girls like these will make us punters visiting FKKs in Germany look like immoral, evil, unethical people as we are contributing to this environment to prosper, taking advantage of these vulnarable girls.

Please differentiate between agents (or mini / micro agent) and pimps/BFS with benefit/ Lover boys. Agents are needed even for blue collar workers, highly paid job. Think about many agents in sports such as footballer agents, boxing agents/promotors, executive hunters.

You need agents if you are new to the environment especially travelling to a new country to guide you, to show you around, arrange all of your trips, accommodations.
For this it is normal that you have got to pay. We and many other people use them. Examples: travel agents, booking agents, study agents, work agent, etc.

Please come up with a reliable statistic rather than a self-proclaim personal opinion.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535525]Many of FKK girls are over 25. Lover boys/BFs with benefit for the girls over 25yo are just utter nonsense. Let alone these girls are willing to let their Lover boys/BFs to take most of the cut of their earning?? Well people say love is blind. A few are but majority are not, unless they are idiots and belongs to the extreme case.

Keep in mind these over 25+ FKK gilrs got married earlier and have got children at home to feed. They used to have husbands / Parners / BFs (whatever you want to call it) who just use them and left them for whatever reason let them alone to up bring their children. Are they going the sacrafice their children at home in favour of their Lover boys/BFs/Pimps ?? If you are already in this difficult journey, are you going to take the same raoute and fall into the same trap again?

Bookings the girls like these will make us all punters visiting FKKs in Germany look immoral, eveil, unethical as we are contributing to this environment to prosper, taking advantage of these vulnarable girls.

Please differentiate between agents (or mini / micro agent) and pimpsBFS with benefit/ Lover boys. Agents are needed even for blue collar workers, highly paid job. Think about mny agents in sports such as footballer agents, boxings agents/promotors, executive hunters..[/QUOTE]It is your opinion and I respect it, my opinion is only based on my own experiences for more than 15 years in the FKK clubs, probably you noticed that I still have very good and reliable contacts with few ex working girls with whom I am spending some time and holidays in their home town in Romania even visiting their families. I also monger a lot in China but I will never tell something about the P6 industry there just because I have no idea except being a customer like so many are when they visit a FKK in Germany. But on the contrary I have some good ideas about how the things are working in Germany and I will stick on my opinion.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535525]Many of FKK girls are over 25..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2535277]
I'm talking the major clubs all open, and the pretty tutes all returned to Germany with their tight pussies, and even tighter butt holes. Sigh![/QUOTE]

Lol, I love that bit. FKK girls get fucked 10-15 times a day some girls get more. So geting tight pussies will be a luxurious bonus.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2534643]In FKKs the working hours are longer, girls have to sit around (semi) naked all the time, they need more clients to make money. On the upside, there is a steady stream of potential clients, there is much less risk if there are disagreements with the clients, getting paid, safety issues.

Escorts often need to advertise with pictures showing their face to get business, they will meet clients that they haven't even seen before, both outcalls or incalls can be risky. In FKKs they can vet the most obvious creeps during a 5 minutes discussion, plus they can get info from the other girls how the client is. Escorts could use the downtime between bookings for personal stuff.

Horses for courses.

Disclaimer: I don't know any girl that did only escorting. I know girls that worked only in FKKs, or worked both FKKs and escorting.[/QUOTE]All good points. Each WG has their own preferences for working conditions.

RE: showing face photos to get business. The ladies site in Germany has a filter to only show the photos for ads with face photos. I just clicked it, and the ads went from 7524 filtered down to 2237, so over 70 percent are eliminated immediately if face is really that important to you.

One of the busiest escorts I ever booked did not post face photos. Some mongers have fetishes. Mines is slim / big natural tits. Other mongers only care about big thick asses. Other mongers are into into big silicone tits and tattoos. Mongers like us who have fetishes do not need to see the face photo, because we can ascertain that she is our type despite the blurred out face. In my case, all I need is to read a few favorable reviews, so I have some assurance that the body of the girl found in the photo is a reasonable representation of reality, and that she is not a WG who has a reputation for ripping people off. Looking at monger boards, where each WG has her own thread, you can click on a few of the threads with the most posts. Of course, this will skew towards the WGs that have been in the business the longest, but if you look, many of these popular WGs have blurred out face photos! Also an extremely common phenomenon on the boards is the acknowledgement that all Asian WGs in Germany use blatantly fake photos to the point that it is a running joke, yet experienced, high post-count mongers will still occasionally trickle in with reports like "of course not the WG in the photo, but still attractive, got my Asian fix for the month, back to the Romanians."

Disclaimer: I have never booked an escort with a blurred out photo who had a normal thin, conventionally "sexy" body. So it could be that big boob fetishists like me, who are small in minority, all just converge on the same WG, who has a body that makes them a statistical outlier.

My contention is that none of the monger boards are representative of the overall monger market, because by definition, if someone takes the effort to post they are probably a hardcore monger. Even compared to other monger boards, this board is more homogenous in tastes (strong preference for early 20's or teens, white skin, thin, no tattoos, no silicone, exceptional face). But let's take a different customer profile: married monger who has an active family and social life. He might be a "face guy", but he does not have the time to contribute to a monger board, much less read reports to see which WGs are posting fake photos. Since he does not want to risk being seen at a FKK, all his monger activity will be confined to private, discreet encounters. Over time, given his circumstances, he just grows accustomed to taking the gamble on WGs with blurred out face photos. And would you blame him? You either learn to be flexible and adapt, or you quit the hobby, or you pay more and travel further to expand your search for "premium". That last option is only available to the hardcore mongers.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535536]Lol, I love that bit. FKK girls get fucked 10-15 times a day some girls get more. So geting tight pussies will be a luxurious bonus.[/QUOTE]Well, they haven't been getting FKK fucked regularly for a year now LOL. And, it's not over yet. We got to be the first in line hahaha!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535326]Then, you have time to make sport to be fit powerful for your all over Germany sex marathon. Even at Globe for 200, no girl never proposed me anal, I really don't understand why? Only long time Melissa at Oase did on June 2014 and screamed: you kill my ass, after 10 seconds, when I didn't fully enter yet. Couldn't also full enter in Italian Anna at Wellcum on August 2016. But some girls are sensitive when we rub.[/QUOTE]Speaking of fit, I had my annual physical not long ago. Man, I hate the prostate exam part of the physical! I don't know how these tutes take this here big, fat dong nuts deep up their butt holes! They definitely deserve the upsell charge of 100 euros LOLOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535536]Lol, I love that bit. FKK girls get fucked 10-15 times a day some girls get more. So geting tight pussies will be a luxurious bonus.[/QUOTE]I remember superstar Raïssa at World, really lovely but only second choice for me because her body shaving care was not on my expectation level. I let her to a Japanese from 8 pm to 3 am, when really no hurry to go with her for me. At 3 am, she did welcome me full smiling and she was tight like a virgin. On next week end, she proposed me twice to diner with her, when my ex looked at us. If she remained more clever, I would have much preferred to diner with her who had much more charm, but unfortunately she lost it.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535326]Then, you have time to make sport to be fit powerful for your all over Germany sex marathon. Even at Globe for 200, no girl never proposed me anal, I really don't understand why? Only long time Melissa at Oase did on June 2014 and screamed: you kill my ass, after 10 seconds, when I didn't fully enter yet. Couldn't also full enter in Italian Anna at Wellcum on August 2016. But some girls are sensitive when we rub.[/QUOTE]Different sizes of pole have their advantages and disadvantages. Having a big dick is great but the down side is getting our angels to agree to anal.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535525]Many of FKK girls are over 25. Lover boys/BFs with benefit for the girls over 25yo are just utter nonsense. Let alone these girls are willing to let their Lover boys/BFs to take most of the cut of their earning?? Well people say love is blind. A few are but majority are not, unless they belongs to the extreme case of idiocy.

Keep in mind these 25+ FKK girls got married earlier and many have got children at home to feed. They used to have husbands / Partners / BFs (whatever you want to call it) who just used them and then left for whatever reason let them alone to up bring their children. Are they going to sacrafice their own children at home in favour of their new Lover boys/BFs/Pimps ?? If you are already in this difficult journey, are you going to take the same route and fall into the same trap again?

Bookings the girls like these will make us punters visiting FKKs in Germany look like immoral, evil, unethical people as we are contributing to this environment to prosper, taking advantage of these vulnarable girls.

Please differentiate between agents (or mini / micro agent) and pimps/BFS with benefit/ Lover boys. Agents are needed even for blue collar workers, highly paid job. Think about many agents in sports such as footballer agents, boxing agents/promotors, executive hunters.

You need agents if you are new to the environment especially travelling to a new country to guide you, to show you around, arrange all of your trips, accommodations.
For this it is normal that you have got to pay. We and many other people use them. Examples: travel agents, booking agents, study agents, work agent, etc.

Please come up with a reliable statistic rather than a self-proclaim personal opinion.[/QUOTE]LOL says the troll. Agent, agent, agent. They're pimps. You clearly have no real insight into these girls. A lot of them want to have a "normal" life. They hide their lives from their families and they're human they want to be loved. Having an obedient BF at home waiting for them helps them sell their lies even if he's just using them. They want the business, the family, the man. You should really learn the difference between an agent and a pimp. How many of those sports stars and blue collar workers are engaging in sexual activity for payment? You can call a donkey a unicorn but it's still a donkey big difference between the two.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2535592]LOL says the troll. Agent, agent, agent. They're pimps. You clearly have no real insight into these girls. A lot of them want to have a "normal" life. They hide their lives from their families and they're human they want to be loved. Having an obedient BF at home waiting for them helps them sell their lies even if he's just using them. They want the business, the family, the man. You should really learn the difference between an agent and a pimp. How many of those sports stars and blue collar workers are engaging in sexual activity for payment? You can call a donkey a unicorn but it's still a donkey big difference between the two.[/QUOTE]

Well, Troll on your side. Pimping is illegal in many countries, agents are not. If you have evidence, they have been pimped why do not you report it to the German or Romanian Authority? If you are reporting a crime to authority, you are doing something good for society. Please do that and keep us informed what you have done. This is also a real insult to German police as a crime (based on your version) have been committed under their watch in front of their eyes.

As far as I know your evidence so far is just "A FEW" Big Mercedes you have seen in front of FKKs and young people driving Mercedes in Romania. Show that evidence, pictures to the newspapers, German authority you will be seen as a time waster, a laughing stock.

A Friend with benefit, Lover boys phenomenon do happen for some teenagers who do not have children in many countries, even in developed countries not just in Romania.

But for Milfs in their mid-25s, 30 of age who have got children to feed at home, who have been through all of this, fall into the same trap again, that is utter bollock.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2535575]Different sizes of pole have their advantages and disadvantages. Having a big dick is great but the down side is getting our angels to agree to anal.[/QUOTE]I don't think to be so big, not a third leg, but when I experience how girls are not used to what I call normal Caucasian size and from what I see in clubs, most of guys visiting brothels have small size. Of course for most Asians who are easy finishing fast saving vagina for girls, when I have to adapt not to hurt girls. I shouldn't hurt too many when many return to repeat. When another French wrote he impressed my LR Eve, but on our discovery, she sit on the edge of the bed and wanted we stopped before starting, when seeing when not hard up yet, I had to tell her to trust me and she did weekly for 10 months, always starting to open herself with my size taking care of her and also repeating at night, and never saw her paying him attention when I saw him, I might not look at her enough and she never told me I made her problems, but returning to repeat. When a bald can write he has more hair than me, when she always wanted to put my hair on Romanian style and I did hate this. But she really improved for our sex, even I always had to be careful, when she was really not small woman. Being a bit impressive size for many WGs may not be so easy, because you have to work more to adapt, to make girls trusting you from care You give them. For sure, I can't behave like French small size shameful Woodman because girls would stop and never repeat with me, when I would kill their pussy and day. Only important for me is fact girls return to me or not, I only judge this, when I need girls return to me after discovery, I could not run after them, not motivating for me, I let them free to choose. Better for my mind pleasure.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2535470]You can say a lot of things about a French Casanova, but if you have been to FKKs yourself in the past 10 years I am sure you have bumped into him several times. As I have myself. So the stories are true. The framing is always subjective.[/QUOTE]Same like for knowing what mean addiction, Casanova was only interested by seduction, not by sex, when never had any room without fucking except when I gave up not wanting to waste my time like with German Lucifer on our fifth time at Palace. My facts in brothels were witnessed by many and if some here want to follow me for climbing.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2535406]I don't know, but I would like to try FKK Colosseum for a couple of days just for something new. Never been there. Also the clubs in the Dusseldorf metro area. No interest in returning to Munich or Cologne to monger. I already know I like the clubs in the Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin metros. Augsburg and Dusseldorf would be just about trying something new. To see if I might be interested in returning if I like the clubs in those areas well enough. Something tells me I won't. But, a monger has to ultimately experience and decide for himself.[/QUOTE]Nothing special about Augsburg IMO, other than cheaper lodgings for das Oktoberfest. Skipped Colosseum when I skimmed the board about it a few years back. When in Maine, eat the lobster. When in Munchen, trink das bier LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535609]Same like for knowing what mean addiction, Casanova was only interested by seduction, not by sex, when never had any room without fucking except when I gave up not wanting to waste my time like with German Lucifer on our fifth time at Palace. My facts in brothels were witnessed by many and if some here want to follow me for climbing.[/QUOTE]Of course but I only climb the "col de l uterus."

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535626]Of course but I only climb the "col de l uterus."[/QUOTE]I also used to, or round ass or tits, I prefer only with flesh, weekly, when only twice on this year with really charming Ana. Ukr. I will have real lack of training and also with now no more oxygen made in high altitude when intense violent free riding, for my Summer climbing tour starting on June. But I look forward when I miss so much ski, and was so happy to discover on last Summer our new extreme more than 20% col de Loze competing with Dolomiti, and was really happy when saw climbing speed for tour de France racers, look forward returning to improve my time when was already not ridiculous on very steep. I always tell to my girls to make yearly uterus and tits control, when this job is not good for their health.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2535562]Speaking of fit, I had my annual physical not long ago. Man, I hate the prostate exam part of the physical! I don't know how these tutes take this here big, fat dong nuts deep up their butt holes! They definitely deserve the upsell charge of 100 euros LOLOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Never made prostate exam, but I like, after rubbing balls on bicycle seat for hours, having high pressure to make up and as far as possible, like when we were child. When I refused to pay to be fucked by Swiss polizei, so they made mess in my car, robbering my coyote, and asked me to put off my clothes when arriving to prison, maybe they were jealous when seeing tool when I showed them proudly and I told them: no finger in ass. Can touch with fingers deep inside girls.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535600]Well, Troll on your side. Pimping is illegal in many countries, agents are not. If you have evidence, they have been pimped why do not you report it to the German or Romanian Authority? If you are reporting a crime to authority, you are doing something good for society. Please do that and keep us informed what you have done. This is also a real insult to German police as a crime (based on your version) have been committed under their watch in front of their eyes.

As far as I know your evidence so far is just "A FEW" Big Mercedes you have seen in front of FKKs and young people driving Mercedes in Romania. Show that evidence, pictures to the newspapers, German authority you will be seen as a time waster, a laughing stock.

A Friend with benefit, Lover boys phenomenon do happen for some teenagers who do not have children in many countries, even in developed countries not just in Romania.

But for Milfs in their mid-25s, 30 of age who have got children to feed at home, who have been through all of this, fall into the same trap again, that is utter bollock.[/QUOTE]Troll along mr agent. How about you get to know some of them outside of the club or go to their country. I'm not the only one who knows about their pimps and "A FEW" Big Mercedes. BTW a majority of them can drive and have one of those german cars probably one of the first things they buy. Why do you think some of them end back up in the club when they've been working for several years? Think about that. They fell into the trap its why you got so many veterans instead of girls working 1-2 years for their "families".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2535406]I don't know, but I would like to try FKK Colosseum for a couple of days just for something new. Never been there. Also the clubs in the Dusseldorf metro area. No interest in returning to Munich or Cologne to monger. I already know I like the clubs in the Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin metros. Augsburg and Dusseldorf would be just about trying something new. To see if I might be interested in returning if I like the clubs in those areas well enough. Something tells me I won't. But, a monger has to ultimately experience and decide for himself.[/QUOTE]Colloseum was owned by Hells angels and reportedly and suspected still is controlled by them, this can be good or bad thing, one of the which, the club looks nice though and as for best clubs for me is same as you mentioned beside I must do Hamburg one day! I will combine it with my Frankfurt tour because it is just 2 hours and bit away by train!

[QUOTE=Palcon;2535752]Troll along mr agent. How about you get to know some of them outside of the club or go to their country. I'm not the only one who knows about their pimps and "A FEW" Big Mercedes. BTW a majority of them can drive and have one of those german cars probably one of the first things they buy. Why do you think some of them end back up in the club when they've been working for several years? Think about that. They fell into the trap its why you got so many veterans instead of girls working 1-2 years for their "families".[/QUOTE]

As discussed previously. Differentiate between agent, friend with benefit and Pimp. Pimping is illegal in many countries, agents, friend with benefit are not. Refer to post #19075.

And I keep repeating, I am not saying that there is not any pimping practice in the FKKs. But is this the majority of cases as you claim it or it is just a tiny minority? Some of teenagers or young FKK girls might have been taken advantages by their BFs. But keep in mind taking advantage of your friends is not a crime, pimping is. But for MILFs in their mid-25s, 30 of age who have got children to feed at home, who have been through all of this, fall into the same trap again, that is an utter bs. Also, while pimping is illegal there is no way you could eliminate them entirely.

There is no need to repeat the same bs thing. There a legitimate way to prove your point. If you have evidence, they have been pimped bring your evidence and report it to the German or Romanian Authority? You keep avoiding to answer this question where in fact this is the most legitimate way to prove what you have been saying. Please keep the forum informed what you have done or what you will be doing.

As mentioned previously in my post such as #19075. If they have been pimped then this is a real insult to German police as a crime (based on your version) have been committed under their watch in front of their eyes.

I don't know when, but when will reopen, go to World or Oase and I'm sure same for many other clubs and then you should understand. I discovered a princess type on end of 2016, after 2 visits and 4 rooms, she told me she returned home after her first month in this job and would stay at home with her family for 1 month. I could only be happy for her, thinking better for her than doing this job she didn't like, but she was back 10 days after, telling to be angry, I discovered after she could become angry very fast when she couldn't control as she wants, when she should have made more than 15000 on her first month, to return in deep Romania, not to live in Mamaia 5 stars. I asked her why she came back so fast, why she didn't stay 1 month with her family? Because she needed money when she bought a car for her 16 yo brother who could not drive, so maybe he could wait to have driving license, and she planned to buy a trucks or cars wash center, really weird for a princess type and didn't help for a woman image, but I really wish her to be free, to keep her money made being fucked by everybody, only for her. Her brother can work if he wants a car. When I studied, I worked more than 16 hours per day on my Summer holidays, sometimes working at night, to get bonus, to buy my first, H3 E21 and to improve for more than 200 power and faster than 220 km / h in late 80's. When I started to work, bought a crashed with broken engine RS500 Cosworth for around 10 000 € on beginning of 90's, rebuilt, improving for nearly double power, when it was told rodeo girl dangerous car with only normal 204 power, but with yellow race injectors with more gas pressure, race turbo wastegate with 1,8 bars pressure, making fire under and behind, could go up to 350 power to go so fast over 200 km / h with maximum 256 because of engine electronic limit, driving daily for 15 years to go to work, except when I crashed it, then crying about it, not caring about my injuries, telling insurance expert to give me money and I will manage to rebuild, did twice with race techniques, improving more and more with race pieces, for passion for nearly 25 years of my life for a legend, maybe my 2 last girlfriends were right to be jealous or maybe just too scared.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535600]Well, Troll on your side. Pimping is illegal in many countries, agents are not. If you have evidence, they have been pimped why do not you report it to the German or Romanian Authority? If you are reporting a crime to authority, you are doing something good for society. Please do that and keep us informed what you have done. This is also a real insult to German police as a crime (based on your version) have been committed under their watch in front of their eyes.

As far as I know your evidence so far is just "A FEW" Big Mercedes you have seen in front of FKKs and young people driving Mercedes in Romania. Show that evidence, pictures to the newspapers, German authority you will be seen as a time waster, a laughing stock.

A Friend with benefit, Lover boys phenomenon do happen for some teenagers who do not have children in many countries, even in developed countries not just in Romania.

But for Milfs in their mid-25s, 30 of age who have got children to feed at home, who have been through all of this, fall into the same trap again, that is utter bollock.[/QUOTE]Sorry but you are not serious, It is not a few German cars, advice you again when the FKK reopen to wait near Shark (Seat garage for example) from 10:30 AM and to look if it is few cars which are dropping the girls, look at the plates and the guys inside. Better you do the same at World. I repeat again and again most of the girls have no driving license and no bank account in Germany, they can only take back 10000 euros each trip, the customs are controlling a lot.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535825]As discussed previously. Differentiate between agent, friend with benefit and Pimp. Pimping is illegal in many countries, agents, friend with benefit are not. Refer to post #19075.

And I keep repeating, I am not saying that there is not any pimping practice in the FKKs. But is this the majority of cases as you claim it or it is just a tiny minority? Some of teenagers or young FKK girls might have been taken advantages by their BFs. But keep in mind taking advantage of your friends is not a crime, pimping is. But for MILFs in their mid-25s, 30 of age who have got children to feed at home, who have been through all of this, fall into the same trap again, that is an utter bs. Also, while pimping is illegal there is no way you could eliminate them entirely.

There is no need to repeat the same bs thing. There a legitimate way to prove your point. If you have evidence, they have been pimped bring your evidence and report it to the German or Romanian Authority? You keep avoiding to answer this question where in fact this is the most legitimate way to prove what you have been saying. Please keep the forum informed what you have done or what you will be doing.

As mentioned previously in my post such as #19075. If they have been pimped then this is a real insult to German police as a crime (based on your version) have been committed under their watch in front of their eyes.[/QUOTE]You are still in the old way of thinking, the girls are beaten every day to prostitute, no today the things are quite different, the girls love the boyfriend and the boyfriend have difficulties to earn enough money so the girl propose to work in a FKK to make their life better. The boy friend benefits from the money the girl is earning in the FKK. The girl of course is free to stop being a prostitute at any time she is not forced and the mongers still believe that the girls are in the FKK because they like sex and they are students.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535861]You are still in the old way of thinking, the girls are beaten every day to prostitute, no today the things are quite different, the girls love the boyfriend and the boyfriend have difficulties to earn enough money so the girl propose to work in a FKK to make their life better. The boy friend benefits from the money the girl is earning in the FKK. The girl of course is free to stop being a prostitute at any time she is not forced and the mongers still believe that the girls are in the FKK because they like sex and they are students.[/QUOTE]I have a picture of one of my favorites from Palace when she was back home (a Ukrainian who liked for me to cornhole her) with a wedding ring on her finger!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2535930]I have a picture of one of my favorites from Palace when she was back home (a Ukrainian who liked for me to cornhole her) with a wedding ring on her finger![/QUOTE]If she liked means you were not paying? I can also put a wedding ring.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535839]I don't know when, but when will reopen, go to World or Oase and I'm sure same for many other clubs and then you should understand. I discovered a princess type on end of 2016, after 2 visits and 4 rooms, she told me she returned home after her first month in this job and would stay at home with her family for 1 month. I could only be happy for her, thinking better for her than doing this job she didn't like, but she was back 10 days after, telling to be angry, I discovered after she could become angry very fast when she couldn't control as she wants, when she should have made more than 15000 on her first month, to return in deep Romania, not to live in Mamaia 5 stars. I asked her why she came back so fast, why she didn't stay 1 month with her family? Because she needed money when she bought a car for her 16 yo brother who could not drive, so maybe he could wait to have driving license, and she planned to buy a trucks or cars wash center, really weird for a princess type and didn't help for a woman image, but I really wish her to be free, to keep her money made being fucked by everybody, only for her. Her brother can work if he wants a car. When I studied, I worked more than 16 hours per day on my Summer holidays, sometimes working at night, to get bonus, to buy my first, H3 E21 and to improve for more than 200 power and faster than 220 km / h in late 80's..[/QUOTE]Princess in 2016: today may be ugly with 2 children.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535861]
You are still in the old way of thinking, the girls are beaten every day to prostitute, no today the things are quite different, the girls love the boyfriend and the boyfriend have difficulties to earn enough money so the girl .[/QUOTE]

Women work to support the lifestyle of their partners, BFs, husband is normal. Husbands, Partners, BFs taking advantage of their other halves are normal and happen all time in a civilised society. This is a private, family and personal matter and the authority cannot intervene. The same things when you see in a swinger party a wife getting banged by more than ten guys wached by her husband / partner. Some people will see that as abnormal but this is certainly a personal matter and the authority / police cannot intervene.

But when you use the term "pimp", "pimping", it is entirely a different matter. The line between legal and illegal has been crossed here. Pimping is about controlling arranging prostitute with a client using coercion without the prostitute ever have say or reject it and therefore is illegal in many countries.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535861]
Propose to work in a FKK to make their life better. The boy friend benefits from the money the girl is earning in the FKK. The girl of course is free to stop being a prostitute at any time she is not forced and the mongers still believe that the girls are in the FKK because they like sex and they are students.[/QUOTE]

This bit makes me chuckle. If you are in your 20's, 30's do you want get fucked by a grandpa of 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's? For the girls It is probably different when that person is a person like Ryan Gosling.

I do not remember any punter ever said that. It is all about money. What is the other alternative if you do not have sufficient skills, needed for a good job?? The alternative is stacking items on the shelves of supermarket / department store chain earning minimum wage. With this wage they are barely able to support themselves, let alone supporting their own family, children at home.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535954]A woman works to support the lifestyle of their partners, BFs, husband is normal. Wives, Partners, BFs taking advantage of their other halves are normal and happen all time in a civilised society. This is a private, family and personal matter and the authority cannot intervene. The same things when you see in a swinger party a wife getting banged by more than guys wached by her husband / partner. Some people will see that as abnormal but this is certainly a personal matter and the authority / police cannot intervene.

But when you use the term "pimp", "pimping", it is entirely a different matter. The line between legal and illegal has been crossed here. Pimping is about controlling arranging prostitute with a client using coercion without the prostitute ever have say or reject it and therefore is illegal in many countries.

This bit makes chuckle. If you are in your 20's, 30's do you want get fucked by a grandpa of 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's? For the girls It is probably different when that person is a person like Ryan Gosling.

I do not remember any punter ever said that. It is all about money. What is the other alternative if you do not have sufficient skills, needed for a good job?? The alternative is stacking items on the shelves of supermarket / department store chain earning minimum wage. With this wages they are barely able to support themselves, let alone supporting their own family, children at home.[/QUOTE]I am also a old school guy for me the man work for the woman and not the contrary. Being a prostitute is only a temporary and short term solution after 35 the things are getting quite difficult so better you learn a job. Please stop telling us about children at home, believe me most of the girls in FKK don t have children at home, all this is another way for the mongers to find excuses like the girls are students, they have children. All this is bullshit.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535963]I am also a old school guy for me the man work for the woman and not the contrary. Being a prostitute is only a temporary and short term solution after 35 the things are getting quite difficult so better you learn a job. Please stop telling us about children at home, believe me most of the girls in FKK don t have children at home, all this is another way for the mongers to find excuses like the girls are students, they have children. All this is bullshit.[/QUOTE]I met some real little mum in brothels and they are usually a real pleasure in bed, I made cry some of them, when speaking. For me and according to French law, a guy living from his beloved GF money is a pimp, even for me when she is not a prostitute, when a so bad guy like me is able to work to make my money, even working at risk under covid, and my girlfriends never asked me money, even they made less than me, but they preferred to be proud to have the best image in my eyes.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535950]If she liked means you were not paying? I can also put a wedding ring.[/QUOTE]Her memorable words? "Get in there, get in there! Don't be scared"! Hahaha! Also telling me how much she liked "fucking with me" LOLOL! Of course, she likes getting paid too making it all the better. Hey, she has a husband to feed! Hahaha!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2535787]I must do Hamburg one day! I will combine it with my Frankfurt tour because it is just 2 hours and bit away by train![/QUOTE]Wish it was that close. Hamburg's closer to 4 hours away from Frankfurt. You're better off combining Hamburg with one of your Artemis trips. Hamburg's about 2 hours from Berlin by train.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535861]The girl of course is free to stop being a prostitute at any time she is not forced and the mongers still believe that the girls are in the FKK because they like sex and they are students.[/QUOTE]In my opinion most people here don't believe that the girls work there only because they love sex or are students. A lot of us however do believe that many girls have weighed other options and have decided that sex work is better than menial low paying jobs. It is also reasonable to believe that many girls actually do have some clients with whom they enjoy the sex, paid for or not.

Much like the criticism of TheCane for merely saying "she liked me to cornhole her," I don't understand the need routinely impose your cynical view on such a harmless statement. The fact that she was being paid does not even negate that statement. If Cristiano Ronaldo paid a hooker, I bet she would probably like the sex and accept the money at the same time.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536039]Wish it was that close. Hamburg's closer to 4 hours away from Frankfurt. You're better off combining Hamburg with one of your Artemis trips. Hamburg's about 2 hours from Berlin by train.[/QUOTE]OK, I got that mixed up with Frankfurt, thanks and it is better that way as Frankfurt has few options where as Berlin only offer one option- Artemis!

Berlin by far is my favorite city where FKK exist, but Hamburg seems like interesting enough port city! And most of my favorite German stunners were self claimed from Hamburg, so it can be good place to hit!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2535954]Women work to support the lifestyle of their partners, BFs, husband is normal..[/QUOTE]I consider myself as a charity man who help and support Romanian couple to obtain better lives and help them to put food on their table, put a petrol into their German cars among a lot of emergency aides I provide by flying half the way around the world just to help them LOL!

Feminists do nothing for them, monger aide workers like us, who earn money to help these couple or family in above paragraphs are the true heroes in Romanian society and look at us aide workers diversity as aides, we were from all over the world to gather at FKK like United Nations LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536042]Much like the criticism of TheCane for merely saying "she liked me to cornhole her," I don't understand the need routinely impose your cynical view on such a harmless statement. The fact that she was being paid does not even negate that statement. If Cristiano Ronaldo paid a hooker, I bet she would probably like the sex and accept the money at the same time.[/QUOTE]I was actually trying to agree with him on something, but of course with him being his usual negative self, he had to turn a positive into something negative by criticizing. Oh well, not my problem! I'm just going to keep on "getting in there" and not going to be "scared" LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536042]In my opinion most people here don't believe that the girls work there only because they love sex or are students. A lot of us however do believe that many girls have weighed other options and have decided that sex work is better than menial low paying jobs. It is also reasonable to believe that many girls actually do have some clients with whom they enjoy the sex, paid for or not.

Much like the criticism of TheCane for merely saying "she liked me to cornhole her," I don't understand the need routinely impose your cynical view on such a harmless statement. The fact that she was being paid does not even negate that statement. If Cristiano Ronaldo paid a hooker, I bet she would probably like the sex and accept the money at the same time.[/QUOTE]You just forget the main principle of a forum, you are free to write what you want, I am free to do the same. Let us think about Voltaire: even I don't agree with what you are telling I will fight until my death that you have the right to tell it. So easy for you, just don't read my comments and don't reply.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536042] I don't understand the need routinely impose your cynical view on such a harmless statement. [/QUOTE]Trolling, multi nicknames, bitterness, senility, archaic views on women? Some guys here seem to think that the man has to work and the woman has to stay home, being so happy cleaning the house and preparing dinner for her husband? And later in the evening, she opens her tighs (lights turned off) to thank her husband for the money he's bringing to the household. I bet they think that a vacuum cleaner, a new oven or some frying pans are appropriate gifts for a spouse.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2536151]You just forget the main principle of a forum, you are free to write what you want, I am free to do the same. Let us think about Voltaire: even I don't agree with what you are telling I will fight until my death that you have the right to tell it. So easy for you, just don't read my comments and don't reply.[/QUOTE]You are free to write as everyone else is free to write that your outlook is insufferable. Why someone chooses to be that way, I have no idea.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2536151]You just forget the main principle of a forum, you are free to write what you want, I am free to do the same. Let us think about Voltaire: even I don't agree with what you are telling I will fight until my death that you have the right to tell it. So easy for you, just don't read my comments and don't reply.[/QUOTE]But more importantly beyond personal opinion, your writings are very often inaccurate.

Little bit of good news. Hopefully Germany will follow soon.

[URL]https://mixmag.net/read/nightclubs-festivals-reopen-june-21-happening-news[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2536013]I met some real little mum in brothels and they are usually a real pleasure in bed, I made cry some of them, when speaking. For me and according to French law, a guy living from his beloved GF money is a pimp, even for me when she is not a prostitute, when a so bad guy like me is able to work to make my money, even working at risk under covid, and my girlfriends never asked me money, even they made less than me, but they preferred to be proud to have the best image in my eyes.[/QUOTE]Little mum, can usually see about belly and tits, are not only good in bed, looking for feeling woman after their private life failure, but also sweet lovely like with their child, when they appreciate: how you treat me, like Globe busy superstar.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536172]Trolling, multi nicknames, bitterness, senility, archaic views on women? Some guys here seem to think that the man has to work and the woman has to stay home, being so happy cleaning the house and preparing dinner for her husband? And later in the evening, she opens her tighs (lights turned off) to thank her husband for the money he's bringing to the household. I bet they think that a vacuum cleaner, a new oven or some frying pans are appropriate gifts for a spouse.[/QUOTE]I prefer to stay home and clean than work if such options that is lucrative is offered to me LOL! I would be so happy cleaning the house and preparing dinner based on youtube recipe videos LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2536382]I prefer to stay home and clean than work if such options that is lucrative is offered to me LOL! I would be so happy cleaning the house and preparing dinner based on youtube recipe videos LOL![/QUOTE]I always knew you had some sweet spot for the Holywood movies from the 50's.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2536291]Little bit of good news. Hopefully Germany will follow soon.

[URL]https://mixmag.net/read/nightclubs-festivals-reopen-june-21-happening-news[/URL][/QUOTE]I can't really see how German Saunaclubs are related to British night clubs. Maybe Boris stole the idea when he left EU and renamed them 'nightclubs' to stay under the radar?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536073] I'm just going to keep on "getting in there" and not going to be "scared" LOL![/QUOTE]More stunner's anal onw corn hole will better the quality of one's lives LOL! Anal belonging to young stunners are different level of anal belonging to mediocre women LOL! It is the corn hole to heaven LOL!

Shit man, I am a natural born anal fucker LOL!

Assuming FKK's begin to reopen in Germany around late Summer / early Autumn when the vast majority of Europe's adult population has been double vaccinated.

Thinking ahead on recruitment, I'm wondering whether (or not) there shall be adequate numbers of sex workers ready and willing to return?

Presumably in the mean time while some of the hard core operators have certainly remained in the profession working illegally or otherwise and willing to return. Many surely have now adapted to earning a living in a social distancing occupation with their FKK days left in the past.

Fair comment or not?

[QUOTE=Pentire;2536669]Assuming FKK's begin to reopen in Germany around late Summer / early Autumn when the vast majority of Europe's adult population has been double vaccinated.

Thinking ahead on recruitment, I'm wondering whether (or not) there shall be adequate numbers of sex workers ready and willing to return?

Presumably in the mean time while some of the hard core operators have certainly remained in the profession working illegally or otherwise and willing to return. Many surely have now adapted to earning a living in a social distancing occupation with their FKK days left in the past.

Fair comment or not?[/QUOTE]Plenty of the old tutes will return, along with lots and lots of new tutes. They can't make anything nearly close to what they can make selling ass versus working in a restaurant, hair salon, manufacturing facility, on the farm, etc. There will be no shortage of "recruits". Believe this.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536674]Plenty of the old tutes will return, along with lots and lots of new tutes. They can't make anything nearly close to what they can make selling ass versus working in a restaurant, hair salon, manufacturing facility, on the farm, etc. There will be no shortage of "recruits". Believe this.[/QUOTE]And we are here to support them LOL!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536466]I always knew you had some sweet spot for the Holywood movies from the 50's.[/QUOTE]I do like old movies more than new ones, I also prefer vintage clothing than new one, same with cars, 911 was much better when it was air cooled engines and when it comes to movies, I tend to like 90's when movies was at the height of its being raw and good amount of digitalizations, but when it comes to girls, I only like new and young LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536674]Plenty of the old tutes will return, along with lots and lots of new tutes. They can't make anything nearly close to what they can make selling ass versus working in a restaurant, hair salon, manufacturing facility, on the farm, etc. There will be no shortage of "recruits". Believe this.[/QUOTE]The closing of the FKK clubs forced many ex-FKK WGs to go underground and illegally work at hotels and flats, charging between 150 to 200 EUR per hour. Whether they can continue to command this rate, once clubs reopen remains to be seen. If we read the German boards, some of these WGs are not answering their WhatsApp messages. The fact that they can be so selective suggests that they are not hurting for customers. Some of these old tutes may have been spoiled, and may not want to go back to their old prices. Some may return to the clubs and charge higher rates. Some may choose to continue working as independent, private escorts, especially if customer volume is not there, right away.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536674]Plenty of the old tutes will return, along with lots and lots of new tutes. They can't make anything nearly close to what they can make selling ass versus working in a restaurant, hair salon, manufacturing facility, on the farm, etc. There will be no shortage of "recruits". Believe this.[/QUOTE]Most of their money is spent for German cars, luxury brand clothing and in pre-Covid days for traveling. How else could they post on Instagram.

[QUOTE=Pentire;2536669]Assuming FKK's begin to reopen in Germany around late Summer / early Autumn when the vast majority of Europe's adult population has been double vaccinated.

Thinking ahead on recruitment, I'm wondering whether (or not) there shall be adequate numbers of sex workers ready and willing to return?

Presumably in the mean time while some of the hard core operators have certainly remained in the profession working illegally or otherwise and willing to return. Many surely have now adapted to earning a living in a social distancing occupation with their FKK days left in the past.

Fair comment or not?[/QUOTE]What kind of social distancing occupation would that be though? Also these girls are used to fast cash, so normal work would not satisfy them and they like to be the boss right away mentality, so I do not see these girls working under someone in companies!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536674]Plenty of the old tutes will return, along with lots and lots of new tutes. They can't make anything nearly close to what they can make selling ass versus working in a restaurant, hair salon, manufacturing facility, on the farm, etc. There will be no shortage of "recruits". Believe this.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the positive response, love your optimistic outlook.

Whilst I have little doubt, in time your forecasts shall be an accurate one, in the early days of re-opening and for a variety of reasons I believe "service providers" shall be thin on the ground.

For my part I'm certainly looking forward to re-commencing patronage of these fine establishments quite soon after the green light shines.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536674]Plenty of the old tutes will return, along with lots and lots of new tutes. They can't make anything nearly close to what they can make selling ass versus working in a restaurant, hair salon, manufacturing facility, on the farm, etc. There will be no shortage of "recruits". Believe this.[/QUOTE]Cautiously optimistic about this prediction also.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536471]I can't really see how German Saunaclubs are related to British night clubs. Maybe Boris stole the idea when he left EU and renamed them 'nightclubs' to stay under the radar?[/QUOTE]I thought escort scene is the goodies in London and no such system like FKK exist in London!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2536768]The closing of the FKK clubs forced many ex-FKK WGs to go underground and illegally work at hotels and flats, charging between 150 to 200 EUR per hour. Whether they can continue to command this rate, once clubs reopen remains to be seen. If we read the German boards, some of these WGs are not answering their WhatsApp messages. The fact that they can be so selective suggests that they are not hurting for customers. Some of these old tutes may have been spoiled, and may not want to go back to their old prices. Some may return to the clubs and charge higher rates. Some may choose to continue working as independent, private escorts, especially if customer volume is not there, right away.[/QUOTE]And they will get away with higher prices only if we FKK patrons let them. I, for one, will not. I was already paying 50 to 60 euros on the half hour depending on the club. Plus a 100 euros surcharge for anal. Plus an occasional surcharge for BBBJ / CIM. As a monger who routinely does hour-long sessions with anal, I'm just not willing to go above where I was on my spending on these tutes. If the standard cost goes higher, then I'm out, and I will stick with Brazil.

I have zero doubt that there will be plenty of "recruits". Guys, remember it's the world's oldest profession for Pete's sake! In the opening days, yes it will be slow, but they will be back. Like after a long holiday. At what price does remain to be seen. But remember, we have as much to say about that as they do. After all, it's money that makes the world go around, not pussy! And we have the money. And lots of broke tutes will be hungry for it.

Some may have done well working underground as escorts, but most of these girls are poor business managers with unacceptable reliability standards, and can't even manage their own time very well, let alone a business. And that's what independent escorting is, a business. And even the ones who do well typically blow all their money one way or another. Spending on luxuries, snorting it up the nose, paying loser boyfriends, and so on. Remember these things, and act accordingly (don't be a desperate simp). These tutes will be back, and they will need a monger's money. Bad! Believe this. For the ones who retire, new ones will step forward to take their place. The oldest profession perpetuates itself for eternity.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2536768]The closing of the FKK clubs forced many ex-FKK WGs to go underground and illegally work at hotels and flats, charging between 150 to 200 EUR per hour. Whether they can continue to command this rate, once clubs reopen remains to be seen. If we read the German boards, some of these WGs are not answering their WhatsApp messages. The fact that they can be so selective suggests that they are not hurting for customers. Some of these old tutes may have been spoiled, and may not want to go back to their old prices. Some may return to the clubs and charge higher rates. Some may choose to continue working as independent, private escorts, especially if customer volume is not there, right away.[/QUOTE]Don't forget that some of the clients who pay now 150 euros only do this because they have no alternative now. As soon as the clubs will re-open, they'll be very happy to go back to paying 100 euros for the same thing.

As for the girls not answering, I know from a girl who works now in flat that she doesn't always answer when the guy doesn't have a profile picture because she doesn't want to go with some ethnicities.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2536876]What kind of social distancing occupation would that be though? Also these girls are used to fast cash, so normal work would not satisfy them and they like to be the boss right away mentality, so I do not see these girls working under someone in companies![/QUOTE]I was thinking in terms of an on-line e-commerce occupation involving Pay per View like OnlyFans or I'm Live.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536956]I have zero doubt that there will be plenty of "recruits". Guys, remember it's the world's oldest profession for Pete's sake! In the opening days, yes it will be slow, but they will be back. Like after a long holiday. At what price does remain to be seen. ...
These tutes will be back, and they will need a monger's money. Bad! Believe this. For the ones who retire, new ones will step forward to take their place. The oldest profession perpetuates itself for eternity.[/QUOTE]Amen to that.

Just a question of supply and demand. FKKs were helping make an efficient market place by bringing a lot of supply and a lot of demand together.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536956]And they will get away with higher prices only if we FKK patrons let them. I, for one, will not. I was already paying 50 to 60 euros on the half hour depending on the club. Plus a 100 euros surcharge for anal. Plus an occasional surcharge for BBBJ / CIM. As a monger who routinely does hour-long sessions with anal, I'm just not willing to go above where I was on my spending on these tutes. If the standard cost goes higher, then I'm out, and I will stick with Brazil.

I have zero doubt that there will be plenty of "recruits". Guys, remember it's the world's oldest profession for Pete's sake! In the opening days, yes it will be slow, but they will be back. Like after a long holiday. At what price does remain to be seen. But remember, we have as much to say about that as they do. After all, it's money that makes the world go around, not pussy! And we have the money. And lots of broke tutes will be hungry for it.

Some may have done well working underground as escorts, but most of these girls are poor business managers with unacceptable reliability standards, and can't even manage their own time very well, let alone a business. And that's what independent escorting is, a business. And even the ones who do well typically blow all their money one way or another. Spending on luxuries, snorting it up the nose, paying loser boyfriends, and so on. Remember these things, and act accordingly (don't be a desperate simp). These tutes will be back, and they will need a monger's money. Bad! Believe this. For the ones who retire, new ones will step forward to take their place. The oldest profession perpetuates itself for eternity.[/QUOTE]I don't believe that with your price proposal you get the chance to session the stunners in the big FKK, all the great stunner I know or don t do anal or will for sure not do it for 100, but may be you are another Latin lover and than of course you will give so many orgasm to the girls that we can t speak anymore about prices. Take it easy life is too short.

[QUOTE=Pentire;2537051]I was thinking in terms of an on-line e-commerce occupation involving Pay per View like OnlyFans or I'm Live.[/QUOTE]If they knew how to market themselves they wouldn't be working at the low end of the trade and be demanding more money outside the clubs. Another reason is most of them try to hide their sex work from their families last few months I've seen more club girls appear on ads showing their faces but I'm pretty sure this is still rare for Ro girls.

[QUOTE=Pentire;2537051]I was thinking in terms of an on-line e-commerce occupation involving Pay per View like OnlyFans or I'm Live.[/QUOTE]Ah right! I forgot about onlyfans opportunity! If you find one of the stunner from FKK in there, let me know, I will join, it is better than facebook profile photos or whatsapp profile photo collection of mine LOL!

They might be on there, but I think most of them will not reveal it as their job at FKK is revealed as secret!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2537053]I don't believe that with your price proposal you get the chance to session the stunners in the big FKK, all the great stunner I know or don t do anal or will for sure not do it for 100, but may be you are another Latin lover and than of course you will give so many orgasm to the girls that we can t speak anymore about prices. Take it easy life is too short.[/QUOTE]And I don't believe you have a clue what you're talking about. For 100 to 320 euros, depending on what services I request, I session with plenty of "stunners" according to my personal tastes. Those who do anal (between 50% and 70% depending on which trip) indeed typically will ask for 100 euros. At Golden Time it was 50 euros for anal, but I only went there once. Most expensive anal ever was in Zurich at twice the price, but then everything in Switzerland costs more. I believe it's time for your English lesson.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2537061]If they knew how to market themselves they wouldn't be working at the low end of the trade and be demanding more money outside the clubs. Another reason is most of them try to hide their sex work from their families last few months I've seen more club girls appear on ads showing their faces but I'm pretty sure this is still rare for Ro girls.[/QUOTE]Please share, so we can jerk off to our familiar face's profile photos LOL!

But most of my German stunners that I repeated also did escort as on the side, but somehow Romanians no matter how stunner she is stuck to FKK, there maybe some pre arrangement to only work with in FKK framework!

[QUOTE=Palcon;2537061]If they knew how to market themselves they wouldn't be working at the low end of the trade and be demanding more money outside the clubs. Another reason is most of them try to hide their sex work from their families last few months I've seen more club girls appear on ads showing their faces but I'm pretty sure this is still rare for Ro girls.[/QUOTE]Actually this is funny but a girl who refused to let me take a picture of her without the face (only the body wearing lingerie) has a nice ad on a famous website with pictures taken by a pro, everyone of them showing her face.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536674]Plenty of the old tutes will return, along with lots and lots of new tutes. They can't make anything nearly close to what they can make selling ass versus working in a restaurant, hair salon, manufacturing facility, on the farm, etc. There will be no shortage of "recruits". Believe this.[/QUOTE]After first closing, many girls returned, some moved like some LR girls to Samya or Switzerland because Bruggen oldies came to small LR with only 10 rooms, so not anymore enough business for some LR girls. More numerous long time girls than few new after first lockdown. I wonder if those who moved to Globe or even Zeus will return for German rates, when I met many Germans who tried escorting, but turned to brothels for 50/30. Even my beloved German escort I was informed about and discovered in a club, from her extras menu on before room chat, but after 2 hours wow discovery, she asked: How long we stayed? What are rates here? No more menu, but contact shared, we kept on weekly for 3 months, always for 50/30 for hours of wow, and she asked her management to cancel many escorting meetings, telling she was exhausted, even her management put real pressure on her. I'm pretty sure most of WGs trying to survive from underground escorting will return to home club like some at Sharks.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536956]And they will get away with higher prices only if we FKK patrons let them. I have zero doubt that there will be plenty of "recruits". Guys, remember it's the world's oldest profession for Pete's sake! In the opening days, yes it will be slow, but they will be back. Like after a long holiday. At what price does remain to be seen. [/QUOTE]Just to clarify my stance. The number of Romanian WGs coming into Germany in 2022 will exceed pre-pandemic! I am just not sure if all these WGs will flow directly into the FKK clubs, and whether price points will be same as pre-pandemic. The WGs will follow the customers. If the clubs reopen and there is still a requirement to leave personal contact info, many mongers will stay away. And the WGs may gravitate to privates.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2536956]Remember these things, and act accordingly (don't be a desperate simp). These tutes will be back, and they will need a monger's money. Bad! Believe this. For the ones who retire, new ones will step forward to take their place. The oldest profession perpetuates itself for eternity.[/QUOTE]How other mongers act is outside of our control. If all mongers, were like Turgid, I would have fewer concerns. Based on what Turgid self-reports, he prefers to sample the LU, rather than make one WG the focal point of all his money and attention. I am sure Turgid can appreciate beauty, but he does not seem obsessed by it. This alone, makes him less susceptible to princess attitudes. If they misbehave and demand more money, Turgid walks away from the sale, because 50 of the 200 WGs in the LU are just as fuckable. Even if they give amazing service, Turgid still doesn't repeat! I doubt any WG ever looked at Turgid and thought to herself: "This SIMP is starting to fall in love with me". Read the boards: some mongers are more emotional needy than others. I get it, we all enjoy attention, an want to feel special and not feel like "every another customer", but some mongers have a desperate need for this, and will pay with money and time, to keep up the illusion (or delusion) going.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536971]Don't forget that some of the clients who pay now 150 euros only do this because they have no alternative now. As soon as the clubs will re-open, they'll be very happy to go back to paying 100 euros for the same thing.[/QUOTE]This assumes that those clients who are currently paying 150 EUR were FKK customers in the past or plan to be in the future. Some local mongers value their discretion, and were not attending FKKs, even when they were open. Speaking to one WG, she said she only saw 20 or so customers from her old club. Presumably she has seen at least a hundred clients, because she has been working on and off since March 2020. The rest of her clients, I assume were "new" to her. Did she stumble upon a previously untapped customer market? Or she is referring to customers at her old club that she only knew by face but only sessioned for the first time in a private setting?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536971]As for the girls not answering, I know from a girl who works now in flat that she doesn't always answer when the guy doesn't have a profile picture because she doesn't want to go with some ethnicities.[/QUOTE]That would suggest that she gets enough WhatsApp messages where the client has a face photo. And from that pool, she still has enough customers to select from to turn a profit. On the German boards, some mongers have reported that they have gotten 1-2 hotel bookings, but then were later blocked or ignored or it took sometimes 3-4 attempts to get a follow-up booking.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2536901]I thought escort scene is the goodies in London and no such system like FKK exist in London![/QUOTE]Brothels are not legal in UK. So no FKK in London! Prostitution is legal in UK as long as there is no more than 1 person in the establishment, so only escorting is possible!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2536768]The closing of the FKK clubs forced many ex-FKK WGs to go underground and illegally work at hotels and flats, charging between 150 to 200 EUR per hour. Whether they can continue to command this rate, once clubs reopen remains to be seen. If we read the German boards, some of these WGs are not answering their WhatsApp messages. The fact that they can be so selective suggests that they are not hurting for customers. Some of these old tutes may have been spoiled, and may not want to go back to their old prices. Some may return to the clubs and charge higher rates. Some may choose to continue working as independent, private escorts, especially if customer volume is not there, right away.[/QUOTE]

It is all about supply and demand.

Keep in mind working from home, hotels and flats has always been the case for ages not just recently. What is normally happen the girls are relying on quality rather than Quantity. It has been reported many of them only have a dusty phone in the past before COVID-19. Thus the reason why FKK is more popular than hobby huren.

Hobby huiren, escorts services might be more suitable and make sense to people on business trip as all they need to do is to call the girls to come to the hotel, no traveling involved.

With so many girls new and the old one whose weighted option is either earning minimum wage or earning much better, easy money working in FKK I think we should not be afraid there will be shortage iof the supply side as long as Romanian, Bulgarian are still in the EU. At least I am hoping that is the case.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2537090]And I don't believe you have a clue what you're talking about. For 100 to 320 euros, depending on what services I request, I session with plenty of "stunners" according to my personal tastes. Those who do anal (between 50% and 70% depending on which trip) indeed typically will ask for 100 euros. At Golden Time it was 50 euros for anal, but I only went there once. Most expensive anal ever was in Zurich at twice the price, but then everything in Switzerland costs more. I believe it's time for your English lesson.[/QUOTE]Never experienced but I think anal could be all in in RTC. Yes, anal is 50 at GT or LR, maybe for less at Mondial or Gold.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2537229]This assumes that those clients who are currently paying 150 EUR were FKK customers in the past or plan to be in the future. Some local mongers value their discretion, and were not attending FKKs, even when they were open. Speaking to one WG, she said she only saw 20 or so customers from her old club. Presumably she has seen at least a hundred clients, because she has been working on and off since March 2020. The rest of her clients, I assume were "new" to her. Did she stumble upon a previously untapped customer market? Or she is referring to customers at her old club that she only knew by face but only sessioned for the first time in a private setting?

That would suggest that she gets enough WhatsApp messages where the client has a face photo. And from that pool, she still has enough customers to select from to turn a profit. On the German boards, some mongers have reported that they have gotten 1-2 hotel bookings, but then were later blocked or ignored or it took sometimes 3-4 attempts to get a follow-up booking.[/QUOTE]If ignored or blocked, then just meaning the girl doesn't want this guy, really not difficult to understand, I would not insist to go with her, when I remember some girls asking me when I would return when I didn't go just on one week end, preferring to go on holidays and why so important for me girls choose to come to me, then they decide if they want, when I m not able to run after a prostitute.

120-150 e apartment prices are quite standard where I live also. I can count on one hand the girls who have tried anything above 150 for half an hour. But maybe different elsewhere. Those who did, did not return at least. Girls below an 8/10 usually put up only 100 e per 30 min from apartments.

And such prices have been ongoing for a long time. And several FKK girls I have met have tried working the same apartment market also across several European countries. So this is not at all something new.

However, what is new is that in many places now due to covid, the police have cracked down on this business too due to fears of covid. And checkups if the girls were upholding quarantines after traveling between countries. And mainly because of that, the supply of girls have decreased by perhaps as much as 70%. And the ones who are still left are among the least attractive.

I am starting to think that the macroeconomic outlook of Romania and Bulgaria and perhaps other eastern countries too will be the key in FKKs survivability. Because as far as the amenities goes in Germany, the clubs will still be FKK clubs even if the current owners go bankrupt. New owners will appear. And then we just have to hope politicians won't adopt some sick Swedish policy or some other craziness.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2537226]Just to clarify my stance. The number of Romanian WGs coming into Germany in 2022 will exceed pre-pandemic! I am just not sure if all these WGs will flow directly into the FKK clubs, and whether price points will be same as pre-pandemic. The WGs will follow the customers. If the clubs reopen and there is still a requirement to leave personal contact info, many mongers will stay away. And the WGs may gravitate to privates.

How other mongers act is outside of our control. If all mongers, were like Turgid, I would have fewer concerns. Based on what Turgid self-reports, he prefers to sample the LU, rather than make one WG the focal point of all his money and attention. I am sure Turgid can appreciate beauty, but he does not seem obsessed by it. This alone, makes him less susceptible to princess attitudes. If they misbehave and demand more money, Turgid walks away from the sale, because 50 of the 200 WGs in the LU are just as fuckable. Even if they give amazing service, Turgid still doesn't repeat! I doubt any WG ever looked at Turgid and thought to herself: "This SIMP is starting to fall in love with me". Read the boards: some mongers are more emotional needy than others. I get it, we all enjoy attention, an want to feel special and not feel like "every another customer", but some mongers have a desperate need for this, and will pay with money and time, to keep up the illusion (or delusion) going.[/QUOTE]I agree that Romanian girls (and some other nationalities) will flood back into Germany. And, I'm glad I'm not one of "those" mongers. As to leaving personal contact information, how often and well do the authorities in Germany follow up on that stuff? I'm hoping that there will be some relaxing of that requirement with proof of vaccination, testing, etc. But at this point, who can say?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2537242]Brothels are not legal in UK. So no FKK in London! Prostitution is legal in UK as long as there is no more than 1 person in the establishment, so only escorting is possible![/QUOTE]Ah OK, we learn something everyday! So escort in London must be one of good place for monger from quality stand point because of such a high demand being biggest city in Europe and also all the Arab guys who come with hunger from middle east to fuck etc! I checked out the prices at diva it is called? And it is not bad if the girls are as stunner as it is on the photo and services are as good as in FKK like BBBJ, DFK etc!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2537226]Just to clarify my stance. The number of Romanian WGs coming into Germany in 2022 will exceed pre-pandemic![/QUOTE]I have a expectation that there won't only be Romanians but many other nationalities entering the FKK's. I see a lot of unemployment inside hospitality and retail etc, jobs which are not coming back quickly and many of those workers will be women with few other options. Unemployment won't bounce back immediately and government unemployment support will drop to old levels. So post Covid 2022 could be a bumper year.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2537563]I have a expectation that there won't only be Romanians but many other nationalities entering the FKK's. I see a lot of unemployment inside hospitality and retail etc, jobs which are not coming back quickly and many of those workers will be women with few other options. Unemployment won't bounce back immediately and government unemployment support will drop to old levels. So post Covid 2022 could be a bumper year.[/QUOTE]They ain't coming back? Maybe, but we mongers are cumming back LOL!

We'll crawl with our finer nail back in to pussies and anals and into their mouths for our cum back LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2537245]It is all about supply and demand.[/QUOTE]From visiting other boards, I can see that Francesca ex-Samya did private escorting most of 2020. When Samya reopened in the summer, she was spotted there. From what I gather she stayed only two weeks at Samya. She then returned to private escorting even though Samya remained open for another 2-3 months. Over the long term, supply and demand should settle, so we will see where WGs like her ultimately settle. But just like any other profession, I would expect WGs to test out their options. And if it doesn't work out, they will return to the club.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2537245]Keep in mind working from home, hotels and flats has always been the case for ages not just recently. What is normally happen the girls are relying on quality rather than Quantity. It has been reported many of them only have a dusty phone in the past before COVID-19. Thus the reason why FKK is more popular than hobby huren.[/QUOTE]I have met many non-FKK WGs who never tried FKK. Also met a few who tried FKK for a few days, but never returned. An ex-favorite at Palace, left around 2013 and did privates for two years before retiring. If you read the German boards, and analyze the posting activity, you can see that there is significant interest in non-FKK mongering. This is not a recent trend due to the pandemic. On one board focused on the NRW region, I would say 80 percent of the field reports were non-FKK.[QUOTE=Adindas;2537245]
Hobby huiren, escorts services might be more suitable and make sense to people on business trip as all they need to do is to call the girls to come to the hotel, no traveling involved.[/QUOTE]Local married men generally would not attend FKK clubs. The risk to be seen by in-laws, friends, family, employees, and employers is too high, especially in this me-too era where people can get cancelled. A lot us ISGers stay in a FKK for 6-18 hours and do multiple sessions, so for us, the FKK is good value. Local married men do not usually have that amount of free time. They might just have a two hour window to monger. So if they see an escort for a one hour in-call for 150 EUR, the price is the same as going to a FKK for 100 EUR 60 minute booking because they save on club entry.

I looked into my crystal ball and saw that when this crisis is over FKKs will be exactly as they were before covid-19 struck. It will be a little slow at first with just a few girls working but will quickly pick up with some same girls as before and also some new ones. Prices will remain the same with EUR50 per half hour and won't change for some time to come.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2537563]I have a expectation that there won't only be Romanians but many other nationalities entering the FKK's. I see a lot of unemployment inside hospitality and retail etc, jobs which are not coming back quickly and many of those workers will be women with few other options. Unemployment won't bounce back immediately and government unemployment support will drop to old levels. So post Covid 2022 could be a bumper year.[/QUOTE]For Germany, only EU girls can register, so no real Russians, only those who are not able to speak Russian, nor Ukrainians. Maybe some French or Italians or Spanish or Swiss. But not sure Bavaria who could be after Angela, will support brothels. Only one elegant charming natural Romanian sweet beauty would be fine for me.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537333]If ignored or blocked, then just meaning the girl doesn't want this guy, really not difficult to understand, I would not insist to go with her, when I remember some girls asking me when I would return when I didn't go just on one week end, preferring to go on holidays and why so important for me girls choose to come to me, then they decide if they want, when I m not able to run after a prostitute.[/QUOTE]When had a enjoyable regular, when driving from quite far, sometimes sent message: Wish You are fine, will You work? I was usually answered fast. If no answer, I would not go anymore to this girl. Same if a girl choose to go with another guy rather than me, she is free to choose, but she can forget me because I can t be interested to be a number 2 choice, like I m not a follower, but I make my way and game. I m pretty sure most of girls prefer to keep guys who value them as regular, rather than upselling. I don t think much will change, just have to be able to adapt, like for everything.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2537629]From visiting other boards, I can see that Francesca ex-Samya did private escorting most of 2020. When Samya reopened in the summer, she was spotted there. From what I gather she stayed only two weeks at Samya. She then returned to private escorting even though Samya remained open for another 2-3 months. Over the long term, supply and demand should settle, so we will see where WGs like her ultimately settle. But just like any other profession, I would expect WGs to test out their options.[/QUOTE]Long time at Samya always sitting on the left of lounge, also tried Bab for months, with beautiful natural tits but too heavy and prostitute make up Francesca. Ro. I m sure she is prettier just after shower. Pretty sure she will return to Samya, like Emily and Hana returned to Velbert. Most WGs have home club, they move when they don t have anymore business, like she tried Bab. Maybe she didn't get good business on Samya reopening when business was really slow because had to give your data and then many Donalds stay away, even legal business, I don t remember, I didn't go for her, I look for more natural looks, despite her really beautiful natural tits, and I remember she was friendly but no wow in bed, so never repeated. Long time girls with peste fish pimp waiting for money, should return, as long they are able to make money and they will become less beloved when not able anymore.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537762]When had a enjoyable regular, when driving from quite far, sometimes sent message: Wish You are fine, will You work? I was usually answered fast. If no answer, I would not go anymore to this girl. Same if a girl choose to go with another guy rather than me, she is free to choose, but she can forget me because I can t be interested to be a number 2 choice, like I m not a follower, but I make my way and game. I m pretty sure most of girls prefer to keep guys who value them as regular, rather than upselling. I don t think much will change, just have to be able to adapt, like for everything.[/QUOTE]With a prostitute you are not number 2 but number 100 or 1000.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537919]Pretty sure she will return to Samya, like Emily and Hana returned to Velbert. Most WGs have home club, they move when they don t have anymore business, like she tried Bab. Maybe she didn't get good business on Samya reopening when business was really slow because had to give your data and then many Donalds stay away, even legal business[/QUOTE]Francesca was reportedly working out of a flat near the location of Mondial. Given the fact that Germany is under lockdown (many businesses closed, and people spending more time at home), I believe police have more time to conduct raids on hotels and known prostitution venues. That increases the risk for the monger and the WG. Meeting in the monger's car or monger's home would be the safest option. AFAIK, hotels are still closed to tourists. The only way you are supposed to be able to check into a hotel is to provide documentation that you have "business" in the local area. I suspect most hotels are either closed or at low occupancy. Any hotels that "look the other way", would be fined heavily.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2538107]Francesca was reportedly working out of a flat near the location of Mondial. Given the fact that Germany is under lockdown (many businesses closed, and people spending more time at home), I believe police have more time to conduct raids on hotels and known prostitution venues. That increases the risk for the monger and the WG. Meeting in the monger's car or monger's home would be the safest option. AFAIK, hotels are still closed to tourists. The only way you are supposed to be able to check into a hotel is to provide documentation that you have "business" in the local area. I suspect most hotels are either closed or at low occupancy. Any hotels that "look the other way", would be fined heavily.[/QUOTE]Are the contactless hotel check-ins affected? There are hotels in Darmstadt that had a check in processes that were fully automated. No person-to-person contact was necessary to check in and obtain keys.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2537945]With a prostitute you are not number 2 but number 100 or 1000.[/QUOTE]Not even, but they sell mongers dreams, some act better than others! However, let some of the mongers who like to dream dreams LOL!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2538107]Francesca was reportedly working out of a flat near the location of Mondial. Given the fact that Germany is under lockdown (many businesses closed, and people spending more time at home), I believe police have more time to conduct raids on hotels and known prostitution venues. That increases the risk for the monger and the WG. Meeting in the monger's car or monger's home would be the safest option. AFAIK, hotels are still closed to tourists. The only way you are supposed to be able to check into a hotel is to provide documentation that you have "business" in the local area. I suspect most hotels are either closed or at low occupancy. Any hotels that "look the other way", would be fined heavily.[/QUOTE]A bad guy like me never followed what girls do out of clubs, I m not interested, I'm only interested by their behavior and image when I visit. My meaning was most of girls have home club and Francesca had her sister at Samya. Pretty sure she will return when Donalds will be back, not afraid of their own shadow, when private data won t be asked anymore, when Samya didn't check, when Freubad checked ID and Globe asked to call a number, no problem for a bad guy like me.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2537945]With a prostitute you are not number 2 but number 100 or 1000.[/QUOTE]I don't care what girls do when I don't see them, or about what is written, but I really care about their behavior and image when I see them, only my eyes and mind waking up my desire and I run away from prostitutes image or behavior, from those on public exhibition or I see being fucked in public, no excitement for me but killing desire. I remember Daria at LR telling me: You know, when You are not here, she doesn't behave like when you are here, meaning she did behave about me, what made her interesting for me, when she had other guys waiting for her and another French here who told she was always full busy, but she always came weekly to me and even Germans had to wait. I m interested by such behavior. When she was not anymore able, even I know she tried to keep me, and I know I lost my best pleasure, but she didn't deserve me and my money anymore. As told me Daria: she doesn't deserve you. I would say: not anymore desirable image. When most go to prostitutes full of frustration about women, I go to find the woman part, I would never drive so much just to empty balls, I need more magic, or I prefer to leave full heavy balls, but as say girls: we are all different, and girls don t behave the same with all of us. I think we get from what we are, with WGs like in real life.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2537644]I looked into my crystal ball and saw that when this crisis is over FKKs will be exactly as they were before covid-19 struck. It will be a little slow at first with just a few girls working but will quickly pick up with some same girls as before and also some new ones. Prices will remain the same with EUR50 per half hour and won't change for some time to come.[/QUOTE]I don't profess to be an expert and I would prefer your prediction but when civilians are predicting "orgies" from "pent-up" demand due to the covid lockdowns, it makes me wonder what an FKK will be like. Personally, I think I'm going to spend a lot more freely the next time I get to go to a club, whenever that comes.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2537945]With a prostitute you are not number 2 but number 100 or 1000.[/QUOTE]As long as I'm number one that day, I don't give a damn! Hahaha!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2538164]Not even, but they sell mongers dreams, some act better than others! However, let some of the mongers who like to dream dreams LOL![/QUOTE]Well first they sell sex, they sell dreams only if the customer is weird enough to believe he's special to them.

Some guys here seem to have trouble acknowledging that they pay women for sex and prefer to live in denial.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537762]When had a enjoyable regular, when driving from quite far, sometimes sent message: Wish You are fine, will You work? I was usually answered fast. If no answer, I would not go anymore to this girl. Same if a girl choose to go with another guy rather than me, she is free to choose, but she can forget me because I can t be interested to be a number 2 choice, like I m not a follower, but I make my way and game. I m pretty sure most of girls prefer to keep guys who value them as regular, rather than upselling. I don t think much will change, just have to be able to adapt, like for everything.[/QUOTE]It takes a really "special" person to frequently quote ones own posts.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2538125]Are the contactless hotel check-ins affected? There are hotels in Darmstadt that had a check in processes that were fully automated. No person-to-person contact was necessary to check in and obtain keys.[/QUOTE]I assume the hotel check-in must be done in person during normal operating hours. Or perhaps automated check-in after-hours is permitted if the hotel guest emails their documents beforehand. Ultimately, the hotel operators and guests can do whatever they want, but the fines are 5000 EUR for hotel operators (higher for subsequent offenses) and I believe 250-500 EUR for hotel guests.

Some Google searches for "Razzia" in the last month:

[QUOTE]Last week, employees of the security service of the city of Cologne checked 27 hotels in the districts of Ehrenfeld, Innenstadt and Nippes for compliance with the rules of the Corona Protection Ordinance of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia and the general decrees of the city of Cologne.

They discovered a total of 14 guests in five establishments who violated the ban on accommodation for tourist or private purposes.

The city of Cologne appeals to hotel operators to carefully check the details of their guests at check-in and to have employer certificates or other evidence shown that make it clear that the overnight stay is not an accommodation for tourist purposes that is not permitted.

https://www.express.de/koeln/corona-kontrollen-razzien-in-koelner-hotels--ein-tourist-reagiert-besonders-dreist-37921322?cb=1615144789999[/QUOTE][QUOTE]The facade of the Brunnen-Hotel in Essen seems inconspicuous at first. But not only the footprints in the snow in front of the entrances indicate that there has been a lot of "traffic" here in the past few days.

With success: in the rooms, the police came across six Romanian women (20 to 34 years old) and three Romanian men (30 to 36), apparently the pimps.

https://www.bild.de/regional/ruhrgebiet/ruhrgebiet-aktuell/essen-illegale-prostitution-in-hotel-entdeckt-75298808.bild.html[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Sometimes the Asian women would have picked up the clients in their bathrobes at the front door. One of the residents had finally given the public order office the tip that the two ground floor apartments (all windows were glued from the inside) were pretty wild from 9 a.m. to 10 p.m.

https://www.bild.de/regional/ruhrgebiet/ruhrgebiet-aktuell/prostituierte-ausgesperrt-polizei-schliesst-lockdown-bordell-in-hamm-75571864.bild.html[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538282]Well first they sell sex, they sell dreams only if the customer is weird enough to believe he's special to them.

Some guys here seem to have trouble acknowledging that they pay women for sex and prefer to live in denial.[/QUOTE]It is common thing due to them being naive and also delusional not used to pretty girls in his life, but each their own, some seems to think due to good behavior and manner LOL!

It is money as in preferably one hour session rather than always 30 min standard 50 euro, stand your own ground of what you want, and being nice and cherming helps a bit too, but no need to be good boy with good behavior in FKK as it is the place where one misbehave and do a lot of dirty things that are not considered well manner in so called normal world, I mean toilet paper clean the ass, but I get beautiful girls tongue to clean my ass, how can that be categorized as good manner or behavior LOL!

[QUOTE=McGrath;2538284]It takes a really "special" person to frequently quote ones own posts.[/QUOTE]It is Dorian Grey, but a ugly version with delusions in the brothel called FKK LOL!

It has been a year since I put my foot into FKK, but I do not feel any frustration or hunger! This I thank to my decision to monger in my life and also to industry partakers like FKK related people whether it is the owner, founder, pimps, girls, bartender, cleaners, mongers etc!

Getting myself sucked, fucked, licked among other a lot of sexual things by among most beautiful stunners of all skin colors and cultures and ethnicity put me as well as other fellow mongers in same fortunate situation into deep sense of satisfaction like karma like fulfillment because we did it, we have been there and done it all! Of course, more will come and more of that is nice, but we at least I have achieved karma level in sex life as a man because I did all that I wanted except ginger hair stunner (natural, it must be) is still on to do list, which I like to, but not too keen to seek for unless I find her by chance! I saw few, but not to my stunner level!

It is grateful position as a man already to feel calm and satisfied sexually for life! It gives me sense of deep fulfillment! Well even then, I am strive to go and fuck more young stunners to add to my list of life's greatest pleasure of sex with most beautiful young stunners from around world!, but I feel grateful that I have achieved such a great sex life and I am happy that some other fellow mongers are enlighten enough to think for themselves and also achieved their own conquer for their own version of satisfaction and more to come LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2538379]It is common thing due to them being naive and also delusional not used to pretty girls in his life, but each their own, some seems to think due to good behavior and manner LOL!

It is money as in preferably one hour session rather than always 30 min standard 50 euro, stand your own ground of what you want, and being nice and cherming helps a bit too, but no need to be good boy with good behavior in FKK as it is the place where one misbehave and do a lot of dirty things that are not considered well manner in so called normal world, I mean toilet paper clean the ass, but I get beautiful girls tongue to clean my ass, how can that be categorized as good manner or behavior LOL![/QUOTE]When you go to the hairdresser you are paying for cutting your hair, when you go to a prostitutes you are paying for sex not for love, not for giving orgasm to the girl, as simple as that. I advice again all the mongers who have another thinking just to go to her favorite in a FKK telling her today you have no money probably you will not session her despite all the orgasms you give her in the last months.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2538472]When you go to the hairdresser you are paying for cutting your hair, when you go to a prostitutes you are paying for sex not for love, not for giving orgasm to the girl, as simple as that. I advice again all the mongers who have another thinking just to go to her favorite in a FKK telling her today you have no money probably you will not session her despite all the orgasms you give her in the last months.[/QUOTE]We know we pay entry except at Amesia and Aphrodisia you probably don't even know, and we pay girls, some to gossip about other guys, some to party drinking, smoking, listening music, dancing, some to try to play porn harder when I feel insulted when girls tell me: you are a pornstar, from my way to sporty fuck, but you are not me when I m only interested to touch the woman part and to get woman reactions, preferring a girl to be jealous or even angry than having to take a ticket to wait for my turn. Most complicated is when a girl ask: you love me? Some would be so happy, then I just have to manage not to answer without killing the mood, if you are just able to understand the huge difference between looking for pleasure and looking for love, when love sex is my pleasure, but not more. But when you are able to value girls, you will be before bigger money and will save money.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2538472]When you go to the hairdresser you are paying for cutting your hair, when you go to a prostitutes you are paying for sex not for love, not for giving orgasm to the girl, as simple as that. I advice again all the mongers who have another thinking just to go to her favorite in a FKK telling her today you have no money probably you will not session her despite all the orgasms you give her in the last months.[/QUOTE]Why are you telling me this? I know LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538670]We know we pay entry except at Amesia and Aphrodisia you probably don't even know, and we pay girls, some to gossip about other guys, some to party drinking, smoking, listening music, dancing, some to try to play porn harder when I feel insulted when girls tell me: you are a pornstar, from my way to sporty fuck, but you are not me when I m only interested to touch the woman part and to get woman reactions, preferring a girl to be jealous or even angry than having to take a ticket to wait for my turn. Most complicated is when a girl ask: you love me? Some would be so happy, then I just have to manage not to answer without killing the mood, if you are just able to understand the huge difference between looking for pleasure and looking for love, when love sex is my pleasure, but not more. But when you are able to value girls, you will be before bigger money and will save money.[/QUOTE]You might not realize it, but you are paying girls to act that they are jealous.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2538472]When you go to the hairdresser you are paying for cutting your hair, when you go to a prostitutes you are paying for sex not for love, not for giving orgasm to the girl, as simple as that. I advice again all the mongers who have another thinking just to go to her favorite in a FKK telling her today you have no money probably you will not session her despite all the orgasms you give her in the last months.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between going to a hairdresser or any other professional for that matter and going to a prostitute. The hairdresser you go to could be hunchbacked and butt ugly but if she does a good job you will continue to go to her. You have no physical attraction for her and she may have no inclination whatsoever towards you. On the other hand you have a physical attraction for the prostitute. After the deed the two of you would have been as intimately connected as two human beings could be. My point is that the prostitute and the John are humans and if they interact with each over continuously for a lengthy period of time the sessions would become less and less of a financial nature and more and more like dates followed by intimacy in spite of the transfer of money. A point to keep in mind is that dating a non-pro is much more expensive than intimacy with a prostitute.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2538835]On the other hand you have a physical attraction for the prostitute.[/QUOTE]I know I do, but based on what I've seen some guys here write, I don't believe that's true for everybody. I've seen plenty of posts where the monger talks about being willing to go with a 5 or lower. She's not very attractive by the monger's standards, but he goes with her anyway for his own personal reasons, and still he leaves satisfied.

[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] the girl is a service provider. She has probably dozens of other regular customers, some of them probably see her more and pay her more than you. You really think she will become some kind of soul mate with all these dudes and that the money won't really matter anymore? No that will ruin her business model. There is obviously a physical intimacy in this job, but some 'spiritual intimacy' I'm not so sure. That doesn't mean that she's disgusted to see you, no she can be really happy to make some money and to spend a good time with a nice guy but don't forget that the skilled girls are very good to create this feeling of intimacy with each one of their customers, that's why they're successful. They can do it in a genuine way because they take pride in making the guy happy but some of them are very good at manipulating the John, especially if they realize that the guy is naive, craving for attention and that there is a regular income for them in the end.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2538835]There is a difference between going to a hairdresser or any other professional for that matter and going to a prostitute. The hairdresser you go to could be hunchbacked and butt ugly but if she does a good job you will continue to go to her. You have no physical attraction for her and she may have no inclination whatsoever towards you. On the other hand you have a physical attraction for the prostitute. After the deed the two of you would have been as intimately connected as two human beings could be. My point is that the prostitute and the John are humans and if they interact with each over continuously for a lengthy period of time the sessions would become less and less of a financial nature and more and more like dates followed by intimacy in spite of the transfer of money. A point to keep in mind is that dating a non-pro is much more expensive than intimacy with a prostitute.[/QUOTE]If I follow you it means there will be a possibility to get sex for free with a pro specially if you give her some wealthy orgasms and / or have good connections with her, sorry but I don't believe it, money is the key and solo driver for a prostitute nothing else matters more, no money no sex. But may be I am wrong.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538843] ... the skilled girls are very good to create this feeling of intimacy with each one of their customers, that's why they're successful. They can do it in a genuine way because they take pride in making the guy happy but some of them are very good at manipulating the John, especially if they realize that the guy is naive, craving for attention and that there is a regular income for them in the end.[/QUOTE]Exactly right.

I enjoy these girls too. They are more fun, plus in principle I respect somebody who is good at their job.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538843] the girl is a service provider. She has probably dozens of other regular customers, some of them probably see her more and pay her more than you. You really think she will become some kind of soul mate with all these dudes and that the money won't really matter anymore? No that will ruin her business model. There is obviously a physical intimacy in this job, but some 'spiritual intimacy' I'm not so sure. That doesn't mean that she's disgusted to see you, no she can be really happy to make some money and to spend a good time with a nice guy but don't forget that the skilled girls are very good to create this feeling of intimacy with each one of their customers, that's why they're successful. They can do it in a genuine way because they take pride in making the guy happy but some of them are very good at manipulating the John, especially if they realize that the guy is naive, craving for attention and that there is a regular income for them in the end.[/QUOTE]The thing is why would one want a prostitute to be your soulmate? Well, there are some monger who do and often brag about their fake relation with prostitute on this forum, which apparently is due to good behavior and manner LOL! Even remember fake names of prostitutes and apparently claim to check the ID of prostitutes, and proud of how long he drive to see prostitutes and how prostitutes appreciate how long he drove to pay to fuck them among other things LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2538842]I know I do, but based on what I've seen some guys here write, I don't believe that's true for everybody. I've seen plenty of posts where the monger talks about being willing to go with a 5 or lower. She's not very attractive by the monger's standards, but he goes with her anyway for his own personal reasons, and still he leaves satisfied.[/QUOTE]Generally men seek to fuck working girls who they find physically attractive, there could be exceptions in cases of extreme horniness and unavailability of hot women but I imagine these are in the minority keeping in mind of course that one man´s 9 could be another man´s 5 or lower and vice versa.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2538981]The thing is why would one want a prostitute to be your soulmate? Well, there are some monger who do and often brag about their fake relation with prostitute on this forum, which apparently is due to good behavior and manner LOL! Even remember fake names of prostitutes and apparently claim to check the ID of prostitutes, and proud of how long he drive to see prostitutes and how prostitutes appreciate how long he drove to pay to fuck them among other things LOL![/QUOTE]I would take anything you read here with a mountain of salt! Could be the truth or NOT. There are / were many "save-a-ho"s on the boards where their claim to fame to help a needy girl who fell on hard times / hard circumstances. Whatever they chose to believe made it easier for them to part with their money and at the same time brag to their "frienemies" on these boards.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2539102]Generally men seek to fuck working girls who they find physically attractive, there could be exceptions in cases of extreme horniness and unavailability of hot women but I imagine these are in the minority keeping in mind of course that one mans 9 could be another mans 5 or lower and vice versa.[/QUOTE]In my case is more about being a plain jane than an ugly human specimen. I don't trust any number rating description unless I am familiar with the individual and his / her tastes. Several times I've posted unedited photos of actual girls that I've been with and received tons of familiar internet trolling behavior. Many times with no basis in fact nor circumstances people trashed my selections. So I've stopped comparing notes nor opinions except with a very limited few members. Not everyone have the exact same tastes so instead of being at the laptop asking tons of questions, when it's medically safe, venture out and see for yourself. Opinions have been formed years ago for a lot of posters.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2538891]I enjoy these girls too. They are more fun, plus in principle I respect somebody who is good at their job.[/QUOTE]A truly skilled WG can read a customer's mind, identify what turns him on, and then customize her service to meet that specific customer's needs. For example, a monger with NPD is easy to figure out: all he needs is someone to constantly tell him how great he is. Every other sentence he utters, he attempts to paint an image of how "superior" he is. All she needs to do is to be a mirror and reflect that image back to him. All she has to do is accept his version of "reality". If a customer is addicted to constant praise admiration, a smart WG will recognize that and feed his addiction. Here are three symptoms of NPD:

[QUOTE][b]1. Needs constant praise and admiration[/b]. A narcissists sense of superiority is like a balloon that gradually loses air without a steady stream of applause and recognition to keep it inflated. The occasional compliment is not enough. Narcissists need constant food for their ego, so they surround themselves with people who are willing to cater to their obsessive craving for affirmation.

[b]2. Grandiose sense of self-importance[/b]. Grandiosity is the defining characteristic of narcissism. More than just arrogance or vanity, grandiosity is an unrealistic sense of superiority. Narcissists believe they are unique or special and can only be understood by other special people. Whats more, they are too good for anything average or ordinary. They only want to associate and be associated with other high-status people, places, and things. Narcissists also believe that they are better than everyone else and expect recognition as such, even when they have done nothing to earn it. They will often exaggerate or outright lie about their achievements and talents.

[b]3. Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur[/b]. Since reality does not support their grandiose view of themselves, narcissists live in a fantasy world propped up by distortion, self-deception, and magical thinking. They spin self-glorifying fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, attractiveness, and ideal love that make them feel special and in control. These fantasies protect them from feelings of inner emptiness and shame, so facts and opinions that contradict them are ignored or rationalized away. Anything that threatens to burst the fantasy bubble is met with extreme defensiveness and even rage.

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2538981]The thing is why would one want a prostitute to be your soulmate? Well, there are some monger who do and often brag about their fake relation with prostitute on this forum, which apparently is due to good behavior and manner LOL! Even remember fake names of prostitutes and apparently claim to check the ID of prostitutes, and proud of how long he drive to see prostitutes and how prostitutes appreciate how long he drove to pay to fuck them among other things LOL![/QUOTE]Indeed. It won't hurt to be identified as a good customer by whatever metric the girl is using but I'm not foolish enough to think there will be love or affection. And I'm not going to spend more than my allotted budget...

[QUOTE=Ararat;2539223]Indeed. It won't hurt to be identified as a good customer by whatever metric the girl is using but I'm not foolish enough to think there will be love or affection. And I'm not going to spend more than my allotted budget...[/QUOTE]At Globe, being rather tramp compare to Swiss, but busy superstar looked at what I did and always came to me, proposed me to diner with her, when I was nearly to nothing for her 30 000 CHF per 3 weeks tour. I experience quite the same with many girls, not only one, in many clubs, many being jealous, asking not to go with other girls: you do the same with others?

[QUOTE=Ararat;2539223]Indeed. It won't hurt to be identified as a good customer by whatever metric the girl is using but I'm not foolish enough to think there will be love or affection. And I'm not going to spend more than my allotted budget...[/QUOTE]The metric is money first, then how you are to them helps, but it is not being too nice, then they just see that as weakness, not kindness and being weak is not good thing in FKK or in the society we live in today unfortunately!

My set budget is 150 euro per hour for all included, but sometimes once in awhile I do fall for 200 euro per hour all included LOL! I do like rimjob, so to get that sometimes is hard in 150 euro per hour package LOL! So it is depend, but most of time 150 euro will do, but once in awhile I get lucky and I get it all for 50 euro 30 min package! But that is once in blue moon! The last time I was in FKK was globe, and I did get it all for standard 30 min price of 140 chf, which is amazing considering it is in globe where rimjob is 100 chf extra not 50 euro like in Germany! Once in awhile it is free LOL! Even in jungle like place called FKK LOL! So the world is not too cold after all even still get rimjob for free in brothels once in a blue moon LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2539231]The last time I was in FKK was globe, and I did get it all for standard 30 min price of 140 chf, which is amazing considering it is in globe where rimjob is 100 chf extra not 50 euro like in Germany! Once in awhile it is free LOL! Even in jungle like place called FKK LOL! So the world is not too cold after all even still get rimjob for free in brothels once in a blue moon LOL![/QUOTE]No that's because of your behavior and your skills with women. You are a good mannered ass licking boy and you charmed her with your interesting conversation and your good looks (adorable face and so on)!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2539141]A truly skilled WG can read a customer's mind, identify what turns him on, and then customize her service to meet that specific customer's needs....[/QUOTE]A hot working girl need have no skill whatsoever in reading my mind, just make available all holes to my various parts. No mind games for me. I find it highly strange and bemusing that a monger would want his ego titillated in addition to his body by a prostitute.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2539141]A truly skilled WG can read a customer's mind, identify what turns him on, and then customize her service to meet that specific customer's needs:[/QUOTE]Totally agree.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2539231]The metric is money first, then how you are to them helps, but it is not being too nice, then they just see that as weakness, not kindness and being weak is not good thing in FKK or in the society we live in today unfortunately!

My set budget is 150 euro per hour for all included, but sometimes once in awhile I do fall for 200 euro per hour all included LOL! I do like rimjob, so to get that sometimes is hard in 150 euro per hour package LOL! So it is depend, but most of time 150 euro will do, but once in awhile I get lucky and I get it all for 50 euro 30 min package! But that is once in blue moon! The last time I was in FKK was globe, and I did get it all for standard 30 min price of 140 chf, which is amazing considering it is in globe where rimjob is 100 chf extra not 50 euro like in Germany! Once in awhile it is free LOL! Even in jungle like place called FKK LOL! So the world is not too cold after all even still get rimjob for free in brothels once in a blue moon LOL![/QUOTE]When I am in a FKK I just behave like always, I don t care the girls believe I am weak or naive, I have nothing to demonstrate, I don t need to fuck them hardly, strongly, I just pay for beauty nothing else matters. When I like I pay.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2539141]A truly skilled WG can read a customer's mind, identify what turns him on, and then customize her service to meet that specific customer's needs. For example, a monger with NPD is easy to figure out: all he needs is someone to constantly tell him how great he is. Every other sentence he utters, he attempts to paint an image of how "superior" he is. All she needs to do is to be a mirror and reflect that image back to him. All she has to do is accept his version of "reality". If a customer is addicted to constant praise admiration, a smart WG will recognize that and feed his addiction. Here are three symptoms of NPD:[/QUOTE]And then it is changing what? I am extremely selective with the girls and in the big club I usually always go with a appointment with my favorite, I want to be the first of the day. I still believe you invest, you trust in people you get a lot of reward back, and this is also working with the prostitute.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2539384]A hot working girl need have no skill whatsoever in reading my mind, just make available all holes to my various parts. No mind games for me. I find it highly strange and bemusing that a monger would want his ego titillated in addition to his body by a prostitute.[/QUOTE]Ever heard of courtesans? They demand much higher rates that include dinner dates, weekends, etc. The truly skilled WG's are not working in an FKK when they can make significantly more, do less and be pampered.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2539513]Ever heard of courtesans? They demand much higher rates that include dinner dates, weekends, etc. The truly skilled WG's are not working in an FKK when they can make significantly more, do less and be pampered.[/QUOTE]True. But I think the smarter girls in the clubs actually know this. Whether the stories are true or not, they are aware as they allude to whales that pay for their company outside of the clubs or to extravagant locales. But many of the ones who have those types of customers still worked the clubs regularly as the income there is (was) more consistent. It even serves as a hunting ground for them to snag more whales. They could be sitting at home or in a hotel waiting for the big fish to call, but why not spend that down time making a few hundred bucks a day in the clubs.

[QUOTE=Palcon;2539513]Ever heard of courtesans? They demand much higher rates that include dinner dates, weekends, etc. The truly skilled WG's are not working in an FKK when they can make significantly more, do less and be pampered.[/QUOTE]Agree with, I wrote it many times on this forum, most of the beautiful, natural beauties don't need to go to FKK and get fucked 10 or 20 times per day for 50 euros, so many other possibilities like escort, sugar daddy. FKK is a cheap sex business like to compare MD to a 3 stars Michelin restaurant, in both you can eat.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2539491]When I am in a FKK I just behave like always, I don t care the girls believe I am weak or naive, I have nothing to demonstrate, I don t need to fuck them hardly, strongly, I just pay for beauty nothing else matters. When I like I pay.[/QUOTE]I am polite, but I fuck hardcore because that is why I am in FKK for!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2539306]No that's because of your behavior and your skills with women. You are a good mannered ass licking boy and you charmed her with your interesting conversation and your good looks (adorable face and so on)![/QUOTE]Well also she was new in the industry apparently, definitely new to Globe as I saw her come in and waiting for interview with the managers in the morning and came to the main bar with them at around 4 pm, but yeah I am polite and nice to girls in FKK, I just fuck hard LOL! And also I do not get these some girls being nice with being real! But it is nice memorable moments and some girls I sessioned with on regular basis who are gone are very much missed and are in my memories! FKK is great place to collect or shall I say buy or purchase the memories!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2539530]Agree with, I wrote it many times on this forum, most of the beautiful, natural beauties don't need to go to FKK and get fucked 10 or 20 times per day for 50 euros, so many other possibilities like escort, sugar daddy. FKK is a cheap sex business like to compare MD to a 3 stars Michelin restaurant, in both you can eat.[/QUOTE]Most of them as you said, but some of them are there, hidden between those plastic monsters girls at the hidden corner of FKK LOL! One just have to be patient and seek for the shinning star between those plastic monster girls in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2539521]True. But I think the smarter girls in the clubs actually know this. Whether the stories are true or not, they are aware as they allude to whales that pay for their company outside of the clubs or to extravagant locales. But many of the ones who have those types of customers still worked the clubs regularly as the income there is (was) more consistent. It even serves as a hunting ground for them to snag more whales. They could be sitting at home or in a hotel waiting for the big fish to call, but why not spend that down time making a few hundred bucks a day in the clubs.[/QUOTE]I agree can find in brothels few really pretty girls with pretty face, who are prettier than 90% escorts in Germany. Most of German girls coming from escorting are not even among the prettiest I got in brothels. I m not interested to meet WGs outside. When I expect they make free for me or they are not interesting for me, but I never answered to meet outside, not my image for a girlfriend and I m too poor, having to sleep in my office, crappy Audi, on this morning, woke up at 5.30 am to drive 400 kms with engine on safety from electronic mode, to Audi which were amazed. Look forward to sleep with my crappy, race technique 34/36 bicycle, my best friend when we make only 1 on climbing, like when deep inside a girl.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2539384]A hot working girl need have no skill whatsoever in reading my mind, just make available all holes to my various parts. No mind games for me.[/QUOTE]When I say a WG is reading her customer's mind, it could be as simple as: "is he the type to like GFE or is he looking for a PSE and dirty talk"? Even with acts that are purely physical such as BBBJ, some WGs have a sixth sense, and will change the tempo and pressure without you explicitly telling them to. Although I suppose if you want to be semantic, they would be reading the customer's body, not reading his mind.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2539384]I find it highly strange and bemusing that a monger would want his ego titillated in addition to his body by a prostitute.[/QUOTE]Example of ego-titillation. Most mongers I have spoken with want to believe that the WG is (1) enjoying the sex (not a starfish), and (2) enjoying his company (smiling, laughing at his jokes). Generalizing here, but I find that Romanian WGs are much better at the second point than the German WGs. Mongers here have shared here that they accidentally bumped into one of their regulars in public (shopping center, restaurant, airport). And when the WG ignored them or pretended not to know them, that soured their relationship.

Some mongers are more emotionally needy than others and require constant attention. For instance, in civilian life, a stalker would be reported to the police. In the FKK context, some WGs might be more receptive to a stalker, because she sees that as someone who potentially has fallen in love with her, someone who is ADDICTED to her, someone who is willing to funnel all his money to her (not spread it amongst other WGs), and someone who will come to the clubs frequently to see her. Every WG has different thresholds for creepiness, but like anything else if the money is good enough, they might be able to tolerate it for a period. This article identifies five types of stalkers. Two of the types, I would say are more commonly found in FKK:

[QUOTE]1. The intimacy-seeking stalker. They believe they are loved or will be loved by the victim. Often they focus on someone of higher social status. This person is mentally ill and delusional.

2. The incompetent. This person is socially backward. They don't really understand the social rules involved in dating and romance and don't mean any harm.

"The stalker is usually an isolated and shy person, one who lives alone, lacks any type of important intimate relationship -- not just sexual, but friends or family, too," Moore tells WebMD. "There's also a narcissistic personality disorder and very low self-esteem. The stalker feels that they're the most important person in the world."

https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/mind-stalker-why-torment-someone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Palcon;2539513]Ever heard of courtesans? They demand much higher rates that include dinner dates, weekends, etc. The truly skilled WG's are not working in an FKK when they can make significantly more, do less and be pampered.[/QUOTE]Courtesans were upper class, rich and highly educated providers. They catered to the rich, including royalty. Their customers wanted to pay for sex with someone of their intellect level with whom they could also have titillating conversation. I don't know if such providers exist today and if they do I certainly won't be able to afford them. Even if I could I probably won't hire them as I prefer to simply have sex and say good-bye rather than pay one girl the same amount I can pay for ten.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2539384]A hot working girl need have no skill whatsoever in reading my mind, just make available all holes to my various parts. No mind games for me. I find it highly strange and bemusing that a monger would want his ego titillated in addition to his body by a prostitute.[/QUOTE]Emptying balls or even being sucked when most of WGs are not so skillful, are only small pleasure, compare to games, to surprise girls, seeing they never experienced, even in private, and when I m able to wash my ass under shower and no interest for me to play pornstar, when I'm not finger size, but rather insulting for a lover for sex like me. Funny to read some here who are just not able to understand, when I met weekly queen of companionship gossiping on couch, she was paid for this for hours by some clients, she was interesting when she started, telling about her previous life and I was very happy to hear another girl from same town confirming, but became so stupid boring with her gossip and lies. Each week, she went to me to start her day, sitting, drinking her coffee and smoking, I went to take fruit juice for both, better taste than cigarette, I told her: take all your time, I m not in hurry, let me know when you want we go, and I became not to speak anymore with her, because she was not interesting anymore to chat, but just bullshits, only interesting in bed where she followed my games, only reason I kept on after mid March 2017 , until mid October, even stopped on 3 times. I m only interested by sexual games and I need image and behavior to desire, but I really don't need love with a girl fucked by everybody, sometimes having to manage when they ask: you love me? Because they are not used to be valuated as woman, even in private, so they think this is love, when only pleasure, to celebrate women who worth, but have to be able to love women, and they feel very fast.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2539754]Courtesans were upper class, rich and highly educated providers. They catered to the rich, including royalty. Their customers wanted to pay for sex with someone of their intellect level with whom they could also have titillating conversation. I don't know if such providers exist today and if they do I certainly won't be able to afford them. Even if I could I probably won't hire them as I prefer to simply have sex and say good-bye rather than pay one girl the same amount I can pay for ten.[/QUOTE]In FKK, there are many types of women, let say they are:

Pimped Romanian in one way or another, usually vulgar skanky gypsy type like the street hustlers come up often to you to try to sell you something remind you of gypsies LOL! Usually mediocre to ugly look and are future plastic monsters with body graffiti LOL.

Romanian beauties, often around 25 years old, beautiful and quite easy going and not vulgar and somehow has this sophisticated touch to them, good provider rather on sensual side and is romantic sex provider, but I fuck them hardcore woodman style LOL!

German gypsies, kinda like lost girl in system! Not so pretty potato looking type of girl or sometimes remind of you of elephant girl, ranges from young to old!

German beauties who want luxury car, bag and shoes among other things! Some begin pretty, but soon or later, begin with lip job, then nose job, then tits job then a lot of graffiti on body, so if pretty better to get them soon as she enter the industry then it is stunner! But possibly future plastic monster or if lucky land as porn star looks, sometimes porn star looks can land on good? Spot if you want porn star look sex LOL!

Pimped German girls, famous Abdel girls who are long gone now, you can tell that some of them were pretty before, but do too much plastic things especially to their exploding tits that is way too big that it is not pretty anymore, the waste of good talents by biker gangs taste!

Creme de creme, which I call walk in! Usually only in FKK for a year or two, max three! Some even few month or just for summer, but they seems to have some goal or in need of quick cash that is also goal and some of these girls are stunner and creme de creme! More of this before than now! But I still find them sometimes! I thank them for best memories!

Real escort girls who are in FKK during low season period! Some of these girls are real stunner and very good provider! I thank them for the memories and I often find them more in near city club! They usually tell them their agency site in room after few sessions, so that is how I got to know they are real escort girls and I prefer them in FKK as I can see them first in person! I like to see who I choose to fuck, so for me it is win situation! I love these girls too!

Garbage girls, I do not know what to categorize them, but just garbage like elephant girls level who are just there, for me it is eye pollution, so I try to avoid having them in my sight! Thankfully I was never approach by them, but if they do I will still refuse politely even though I would want to have sissy fit if they do LOL! If they approach aggressively after my first refusal, I will have a fucking fit on them though LOL! It is act of self defense fighting for my life then LOL!

I still find real stunners in FKK, the fall from heaven level sometimes!

Especially considering how the nurses psychology arguments are pan global and can be used ad nauseum against every suitor he objects in every occasion where he is loosing a debate.

Some more details about the shooting in Atlanta.

[QUOTE]Bayless told CNN that Long felt "tortured" by an addiction to sex and had gone to massage parlors for sex.
"It was something that absolutely would torture him," Bayless said.
He said Long was a "deeply religious person -- he would often go on tangents about his interpretation of the Bible," and was distraught about his addiction to sex.
Bayless said that on multiple occasions during his stay at the facility, Long told him that he had "relapsed" and "gone to massage parlors explicitly to engage in sex acts."
A law enforcement source told CNN Wednesday that Long was recently kicked out of the house by his family due to his sexual addiction, which, the source said, included frequently spending hours on end watching pornography online.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/17/us/metro-atlanta-shootings-wednesday/index.html
[/QUOTE]I think we all could have guessed that he was an ex-customer.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2541751]Some more details about the shooting in Atlanta.

I think we all could have guessed that he was an ex-customer.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and instead of taking his own life because he couldn't deal with his addictions, he decided to go take somebody else's? Not only is he an ex-customer. He's also a cowardly piece of crap.

That's the problem with sex addicts, they get bitter once they understand the honeymoon is over. Or that there never was an honeymoon, despite the cum flavored pizza, the limo rides for 1000 €, the long drive in the night to see her, and so on. You see the pattern: guy gets crazy about the girl, guy acts in a very servile way, the girl uses him as a money slave, then breakup and the guy starts to badmouth her constantly. If the guy is really fucked up, he'll repeat it over and over, and maybe one day he'll find some weapon.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2541770]Yeah, and instead of taking his own life because he couldn't deal with his addictions, he decided to go take somebody else's? Not only is he an ex-customer. He's also a cowardly piece of crap.[/QUOTE]RE: Addictions. The shooter is 21 yo and lived with his parents, so I cannot imagine that he was visiting these massage places more than 1-2 times a month. Despite not being a "regular", I would still classify him as a sexual addict because (1) he probably visited WGs as often as his modest budget would allow, and (2) his reported online porn consumption. I suspect the combination of the two prevented him from functioning in everyday life, and maybe that is why his parents kicked him out of their house.

His religious beliefs seemed to be a source of internal conflict. I would be interested to know what other details emerge later, such as how those closest to the shooter would describe him (perhaps angry, loner, serial poster to online sex forums, or MGTOW). If he was braver, he would have just taken his own life. But in his distorted reality, maybe he saw himself as a hero:

[QUOTE]According to two law enforcement sources involved in the investigation, Long attempted to justify his actions when he told police he thought about killing himself, but decided instead to "help" others with sexual addictions by targeting spas.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/17/us/robert-aaron-long-suspected-shooter/index.html
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2541770]Yeah, and instead of taking his own life because he couldn't deal with his addictions, he decided to go take somebody else's? Not only is he an ex-customer. He's also a cowardly piece of crap.[/QUOTE]These shootings happened right in my backyard. Almost literally. I even went to one of the same massage parlors a few times over 10 years ago. What baffles me is his sex addict story. I don't buy it. Those places are not known for intimate service. In fact, I always felt a little cheap after I left.

Imagine if he knew FKKs. If the victim of addiction story was true, imagine how fucked he would have been with an FKK pro.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2541751]Some more details about the shooting in Atlanta.

I think we all could have guessed that he was an ex-customer.[/QUOTE]The event is shocking, but what shocked me more is that who the hell go to such massage parlors and I noticed the reality of sex industry in USA and else where, it is pretty bad! We are lucky that we did our research and found FKK in Germany etc because in most nations sex industry are like those massage parlor!

As for religion, it is there like society norm to tie you down and obey to their convenience ignoring the happiness of men that is engraved in us by nature! We men have lust, it is natural and since we only live once, we should embrace it and liberate our sexual appetite! We mongers managed to do that, so congratulation to us for thinking for ourselves with our own brain! But all this has to be done secretly, but we have forum like this or may even be able to share our wicked life of monger with some very few trusted friends! I tend to keep my wicked secret life mostly to myself though only few people know about it!

What is a MGTOW? I can't figure why someone so in love with the Bible entered some parlor in the first place. He wanted to lecture them?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2541845]RE: Addictions. The shooter is 21 yo and lived with his parents, so I cannot imagine that he was visiting these massage places more than 1-2 times a month. Despite not being a "regular", I would still classify him as a sexual addict because (1) he probably visited WGs as often as his modest budget would allow, and (2) his reported online porn consumption. I suspect the combination of the two prevented him from functioning in everyday life, and maybe that is why his parents kicked him out of their house.

His religious beliefs seemed to be a source of internal conflict. I would be interested to know what other details emerge later, such as how those closest to the shooter would describe him (perhaps angry, loner, serial poster to online sex forums, or MGTOW). If he was braver, he would have just taken his own life. But in his distorted reality, maybe he saw himself as a hero:[/QUOTE]Most of guys claiming about others addiction are those who can't afford to go as often they would like, so being frustrated jealous. I know few guys who go nearly daily and I just don't care, I go when I want and can and this is perfect for me. And as I was so sure, I manage easy without, when I'm pretty sure Germany won t reopen before elections. I like to go weekly for a attractive girl, but I don t miss when closed.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2541943]The event is shocking, but what shocked me more is that who the hell go to such massage parlors and I noticed the reality of sex industry in USA and else where, it is pretty bad! We are lucky that we did our research and found FKK in Germany etc because in most nations sex industry are like those massage parlor!

As for religion, it is there like society norm to tie you down and obey to their convenience ignoring the happiness of men that is engraved in us by nature! We men have lust, it is natural and since we only live once, we should embrace it and liberate our sexual appetite! We mongers managed to do that, so congratulation to us for thinking for ourselves with our own brain! But all this has to be done secretly, but we have forum like this or may even be able to share our wicked life of monger with some very few trusted friends! I tend to keep my wicked secret life mostly to myself though only few people know about it![/QUOTE]Amen brother! Just remember. The best kept secret is one known only to one!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542078]Most of guys claiming about others addiction are those who can't afford to go as often they would like, so being frustrated jealous. I know few guys who go nearly daily and I just don't care, I go when I want and can and this is perfect for me. And as I was so sure, I manage easy without, when I'm pretty sure Germany won t reopen before elections. I like to go weekly for a attractive girl, but I don t miss when closed.[/QUOTE]Mr. Ho asked why somebody would go to those massage parlors anyway. It's because it's one of only a few avenues open to a guy like that. It's what he knows and what he can afford. Or maybe not. At least not as mush as he would like. And he definitely can't afford to travel to Germany, Brazil, or Thailand. This guy is a loser and a coward is what he is! Interesting that we have some discussion about this in here when there was none about the gruesome murder of a tute that happened not too long ago in Tijuana. And it was all captured on video where the guy sliced a girl's throat!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541926]These shootings happened right in my backyard. Almost literally. I even went to one of the same massage parlors a few times over 10 years ago. What baffles me is his sex addict story. I don't buy it. Those places are not known for intimate service. In fact, I always felt a little cheap after I left.

Imagine if he knew FKKs. If the victim of addiction story was true, imagine how fucked he would have been with an FKK pro.[/QUOTE]I remember a Sharks girl was killed in a hotel around. For sure free weapons in US is a real danger, when no more Pawnies, when they killed all who were in their country.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2541943]As for religion, it is there like society norm to tie you down and obey to their convenience ignoring the happiness of men that is engraved in us by nature! We men have lust, it is natural and since we only live once, we should embrace it and liberate our sexual appetite! We mongers managed to do that, so congratulation to us for thinking for ourselves with our own brain! But all this has to be done secretly, but we have forum like this or may even be able to share our wicked life of monger with some very few trusted friends! I tend to keep my wicked secret life mostly to myself though only few people know about it![/QUOTE]Well said, I will now print this, frame it and attached in my studio! LOL.

If assuming the corona passports become a reality in a couple of months, perhaps we can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel and take up our hobby again. Many FKKs opened last year when they could, although with lots of restrictions (and nobody were vaccinated).

Romania and other Eastern European countries are somewhat on par with other EU countries, so likely the girls can start coming back again.

Did anyone read news in Germany talking about this? Ie at what point FKKs could reopen?

Just like we want to get back to the hobby, the girls and clubs would be eager to get back in business too. Who knows, we may even see some serious shift in new talent appear (one can only hope).

I can't wait to get back on the mongering scene.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2542147]Amen brother! Just remember. The best kept secret is one known only to one![/QUOTE]But our secret echoes in eternity within us because these trips are that good LOL!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2542244]Well said, I will now print this, frame it and attached in my studio! LOL.[/QUOTE]The truth that we cannot openly voice out nowadays LOL! It is like we live in one big cult shaped by society and media LOL! I like my dick being sucked by many beautiful girls, I see myself more there than all these non sense from few thousands years ago that still work to put order in society to make them sheep LOL! But I am the commander and shepherd of my own penis and sex life LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2542149]Mr. Ho asked why somebody would go to those massage parlors anyway. It's because it's one of only a few avenues open to a guy like that. It's what he knows and what he can afford. Or maybe not. At least not as mush as he would like. And he definitely can't afford to travel to Germany, Brazil, or Thailand. This guy is a loser and a coward is what he is! Interesting that we have some discussion about this in here when there was none about the gruesome murder of a tute that happened not too long ago in Tijuana. And it was all captured on video where the guy sliced a girl's throat![/QUOTE]It is sad that those things are only place where they can sexually open themselves in their lives and shoot sperm out of their penis! No wonder why so many gun shootings in USA, and it is like this in many part of the world! I am glad that we mongers are smart enough to become flying mongers to reach the garden of Eden LOL! And we tasted the right apples there, so let it be our religions LOL! From now on, I will say at passport control at German airport that I am here to taste many apples LOL!

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2542286]If assuming the corona passports become a reality in a couple of months, perhaps we can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel and take up our hobby again. Many FKKs opened last year when they could, although with lots of restrictions (and nobody were vaccinated).

Romania and other Eastern European countries are somewhat on par with other EU countries, so likely the girls can start coming back again.

Did anyone read news in Germany talking about this? Ie at what point FKKs could reopen?

Just like we want to get back to the hobby, the girls and clubs would be eager to get back in business too. Who knows, we may even see some serious shift in new talent appear (one can only hope).

I can't wait to get back on the mongering scene.[/QUOTE]The Cane pointed out about this almost a year ago about vaccines passport and man! I am someone who do not want to take vaccines, but now I may have to because of this stupid vaccine passport! I wonder how that works though because it will discriminate many nations that are not so developed!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2541982]What is a MGTOW? I can't figure why someone so in love with the Bible entered some parlor in the first place. He wanted to lecture them?[/QUOTE]Man Going Their Own Way! I also like to inform you that there is this amazing site nowadays called [URL]google.com[/URL] LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541926]What baffles me is his sex addict story. I don't buy it. Those places are not known for intimate service. In fact, I always felt a little cheap after I left.

Imagine if he knew FKKs. If the victim of addiction story was true, imagine how fucked he would have been with an FKK pro.[/QUOTE]Several articles mentioned that he spent hours upon hours surfing for porn. If that interfered with his ability to function in everyday life (miss work, sleep deprivation, disheveled appearance), I would consider that a sex addict. The shooter was also hyper-religious, so perhaps even innocent acts such as a simple HJ, would be sinful to him and thus a source of immense guilt.

[QUOTE]Bayless said Long spoke often about rekindling his religious faith but repeatedly fell back into what he called an addiction to sex. Bayless said Long was plagued by the conflict between his belief that his obsession with sex was immoral and his dedication to furthering his faith.

He was militant about it, Bayless said. This was the kind of guy who would hate himself for masturbating, would consider that a relapse.

Long told his roommates that his fixation on sex and his frequent visits to spas caused the collapse of his relationship with his girlfriend.

My understanding of the timeline is he had a girlfriend, was active in the church, all this other jazz, and then he started going to these spas and eventually the truth came out and it blew up the whole thing, Bayless said.

Long blamed his troubles on pornography, Bayless said: He hated the pornography industry. He was pretty passionate about what a bad influence it was on him. He felt exploited by it, taken advantage of by it.

To wean himself off porn, Long set strict limits on his use of the Internet, didnt own a smartphone and deleted his Facebook account, Bayless said.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2542286]If assuming the corona passports become a reality in a couple of months, perhaps we can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel and take up our hobby again. Many FKKs opened last year when they could, although with lots of restrictions (and nobody were vaccinated).

Romania and other Eastern European countries are somewhat on par with other EU countries, so likely the girls can start coming back again.

Did anyone read news in Germany talking about this? Ie at what point FKKs could reopen?

Just like we want to get back to the hobby, the girls and clubs would be eager to get back in business too. Who knows, we may even see some serious shift in new talent appear (one can only hope).

I can't wait to get back on the mongering scene.[/QUOTE]Many clubs were open on 8 months on 2020. Only few in Switzerland on this year and waiting for elections in Germany, so who would dare to reopen to risk to kill more there? 2021 may not be so good for brothels, even Austria, Switzerland and Spain, maybe also NL where YY quality is missing so much, should reopen under heat which will fight covid with more efficiency than lacking vaccines and with restrictions for AZ, for EU which is still closed. I m sure other spots like Thailand for Asians, or Colombia or Brazil or pretty sure Mexico for Americans.

Regardless of there being a coronavirus passport, I am getting less optimistic about visiting Germany this summer. The infection rate in Germany is climbing steadily and it's very clear that much of Europe is entering a third wave. This has not been helped by so called "Leaders" making ridiculous claims about the safety of vaccines and mismanagement of the unified purchase programme, no wonder take up is low. I was hoping for a week in the FKK's but now it looks more likely that I will take 3 weeks off at the end of the year and go to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2542426]Regardless of there being a coronavirus passport, I am getting less optimistic about visiting Germany this summer. The infection rate in Germany is climbing steadily and it's very clear that much of Europe is entering a third wave. This has not been helped by so called "Leaders" making ridiculous claims about the safety of vaccines and mismanagement of the unified purchase programme, no wonder take up is low. I was hoping for a week in the FKK's but now it looks more likely that I will take 3 weeks off at the end of the year and go to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I see it the same way regarding travel to Germany and the rest of Europe. I could go to Brazil, but that country is on my no-go list as it's still getting slammed with COVID too, including a variant. I hadn't planned to travel internationally in 2020 anyway, so no skin off my teeth for last year. But now I'm totally writing off 2021 too. Well, at least I'm vaccinated, and I'm confident that things will be better in 2022 when I expect that at the very least "travel bubbles" will be formed between different countries.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2542286]Did anyone read news in Germany talking about this? Ie at what point FKKs could reopen?.[/QUOTE]Read my posts (I back it all up with links) and forget about FKKs opening any time soon!

[QUOTE=Downandup;2542426]Regardless of there being a coronavirus passport, I am getting less optimistic about visiting Germany this summer. The infection rate in Germany is climbing steadily and it's very clear that much of Europe is entering a third wave. This has not been helped by so called "Leaders" making ridiculous claims about the safety of vaccines and mismanagement of the unified purchase programme, no wonder take up is low. I was hoping for a week in the FKK's but now it looks more likely that I will take 3 weeks off at the end of the year and go to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you, the prospects in Germany & the rest of Europe are looking bleak for any type of reopening in society let alone clubs.

Their politicians could not have made a bigger mess of things if they tried, the communication with their citizens has been horrific.

The UK Government has also made some scandalous decisions particularly early on resulting in huge deaths however they are finally listening properly to their Health experts & scientists and finally (currently) making huge positive steps.

The seven day average for deaths is now in double figures and infections are under five thousand a day.

However good UK news does not help me getting back to Oasis, Sharks etc any time soon. It is looking less likely everyday that FKK's will open at the back end of the summer which I had hoped for.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2542286]If assuming the corona passports become a reality in a couple of months, perhaps we can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel and take up our hobby again. Many FKKs opened last year when they could, although with lots of restrictions (and nobody were vaccinated).

Romania and other Eastern European countries are somewhat on par with other EU countries, so likely the girls can start coming back again.

Did anyone read news in Germany talking about this? Ie at what point FKKs could reopen?

Just like we want to get back to the hobby, the girls and clubs would be eager to get back in business too. Who knows, we may even see some serious shift in new talent appear (one can only hope).

I can't wait to get back on the mongering scene.[/QUOTE]Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2542426]Regardless of there being a coronavirus passport, I am getting less optimistic about visiting Germany this summer. The infection rate in Germany is climbing steadily and it's very clear that much of Europe is entering a third wave. This has not been helped by so called "Leaders" making ridiculous claims about the safety of vaccines and mismanagement of the unified purchase programme, no wonder take up is low. I was hoping for a week in the FKK's but now it looks more likely that I will take 3 weeks off at the end of the year and go to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yes, third wave with peak on March / April when still Winter weather, even Spring season started. I think can forget German brothels until at least elections and then until efficient protection and versus mutants. Some German brothels were open for 5 months on 2020. Should be less on this year. Better to find other to do. I look forward making my Summer great again, bicycle climbing my beloved wonderful mountains, like on 5 months on last Summer, finishing on end of October with snow on road on last kilometer on top of Agnel 2744 high, topless, it was just unforgettable Sunday. Wish Italians will clean 28% steep Gentile road through forest, to try again, there no need of expensive carbon, you just need to have balls and to be able to put them on your bicycle, you can't sit because then front wheel doesn't stay on ground, your technique is much more efficient than carbon. And you have to be ready in mind to fall and injured, when your feet are blocked in pedals. But great adrenaline. As always knew my girls, they could never compete versus ski and climbing, for my holidays, still getting better like good French old wine.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2542426]Regardless of there being a coronavirus passport, I am getting less optimistic about visiting Germany this summer. The infection rate in Germany is climbing steadily and it's very clear that much of Europe is entering a third wave. This has not been helped by so called "Leaders" making ridiculous claims about the safety of vaccines and mismanagement of the unified purchase programme, no wonder take up is low. I was hoping for a week in the FKK's but now it looks more likely that I will take 3 weeks off at the end of the year and go to Thailand.[/QUOTE]By looking at things from outside, European has serious issues, fed tell people to wear masks and stay home, they go out side without mask and protest LOL! What kind of mentality is that? Liberalism of west is great, but when it comes to this extent, they are just abusing it stupidly and hey somehow when it comes to mongering, they become so conservative LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2542333]Man Going Their Own Way! I also like to inform you that there is this amazing site nowadays called [URL]google.com[/URL] LOL![/QUOTE]Thanks. I was just a lazy asshole!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2542519]It's role your sleeve up and get vaccinated, and download and install the passport app for proof, or stay home and no tute pussy and ass for you! Now, you know what The Cane is going to do hahaha![/QUOTE]Well lets see how it will work out! But there will be a passport to cancel the most strongest passport in the world that I hold! I do not need to visa to go to most number of nations in the world thanks to my passport, but now vaccine passport cancel that out LOL!

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2542607]Well, we will probably start to see the efficiency of vaccines in a few months, whieverway. Israel is far into it, and UK is pushing 40% with first jab. That will start to reflect in the number of people getting real sick and hospitalized from this damn thing. Once that happens (and hopefully in a good way), maybe we can start seeing countries getting affected more like a normal flu, and stop talking about wave 3, 4, 5 and whatever. And get on with our lives.

But there seem to be a real push from EU and many countries to make corona passport a reality, some to save the tourism industry. Same already have printed versions, and common smarphone apps are in the making.

The passport seem intended for flying, fetstivals, concerts, nightclubs etc where many pepole are in one place or close proximity. Thus it would be obvious to let FKKs open in the same way. EU comission want it ready before summer.[/QUOTE]I hope Swiss stay out of this as they often do stay out of most pact, then I can just go to Zurich to monger!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542510]Thanks. I was just a lazy asshole![/QUOTE]No problem, that is why forum is here for!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2542445]Yeah, I see it the same way regarding travel to Germany and the rest of Europe. I could go to Brazil, but that country is on my no-go list as it's still getting slammed with COVID too, including a variant. I hadn't planned to travel internationally in 2020 anyway, so no skin off my teeth for last year. But now I'm totally writing off 2021 too. Well, at least I'm vaccinated, and I'm confident that things will be better in 2022 when I expect that at the very least "travel bubbles" will be formed between different countries.[/QUOTE]I hear some FKK in Switzerland is still open, but not Globe though!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2542638]I hope Swiss stay out of this as they often do stay out of most pact, then I can just go to Zurich to monger![/QUOTE]Switzerland will participate in this EU initiative.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2541845]RE: Addictions. The shooter is 21 yo and lived with his parents, so I cannot imagine that he was visiting these massage places more than 1-2 times a month. Despite not being a "regular", I would still classify him as a sexual addict...[/QUOTE]My take is that this guy is no sex addict but rather sexually frustrated. He may have visited these massage parlors and was refused FS for whatever reason. In his sexual anger he decided to kill.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542702]Switzerland will participate in this EU initiative.[/QUOTE]You mean Switzerland will follow EU? When some clubs are still open in Switzerland out of ZH, but I don't go since November, not to give my good health to Swiss, didn't even go for ski? And I m a bit impressed to be able to resist, when really easy to manage not going to brothels, as I always knew, all under control, as said girls from my behavior.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2542874]My take is that this guy is no sex addict but rather sexually frustrated. He may have visited these massage parlors and was refused FS for whatever reason. In his sexual anger he decided to kill.[/QUOTE]The shooter was a religious, inexperienced newbie, so his sexual needs may not be as high as hardcore mongers who require BBBJ, DFK, FS or GFE "intimacy". A large faction of the general monger population may believe that BBBJ is too risky from a STD standpoint, or too dirty. Hardcore mongers are more demanding with services. For all we know, the shooter might be happy with a HJ with a rubber glove.

I do not how common FS is in those types of establishments, and what their rejection rate for FS is. Are the providers there as "professional" as Romanian WGs, who seem to have no problem offering FS to almost anybody and everybody? Also it appears that the shooter's visit took place in the early evening. From reading comments, the daytime shifts at these massage place is usually older ladies who only do legit massage. Later at night is when the sex workers arrive. Three of the female workers killed were aged 63, 69, and 74.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542702]Switzerland will participate in this EU initiative.[/QUOTE]If so, I must give consideration to taking vaccines, but I rather not to take this vaccines!

I'm between the north Atlanta establishment and the two downtown establishments.

I can say the northern one was not known for much more than hand relief and that wasn't very often. The two downtown were well known for their services and usually had the most beautiful women in Atlanta.

I was surprised as anyone to see the advanced ages of the ones killed. He likely wasn't denied sex because of appearance, he probably couldn't afford it on his last trip.

All that beauty and an illegal activity comes with a high price.

Nothing compares to a German sauna club though. I'm headed back to Stuttgart as soon as I can justify it.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2543007]The shooter was a religious, inexperienced newbie, so his sexual needs may not be as high as hardcore mongers who require BBBJ, DFK, FS or GFE "intimacy". A large faction of the general monger population may believe that BBBJ is too risky from a STD standpoint, or too dirty. Hardcore mongers are more demanding with services. For all we know, the shooter might be happy with a HJ with a rubber glove.

I do not how common FS is in those types of establishments, and what their rejection rate for FS is. Are the providers there as "professional" as Romanian WGs, who seem to have no problem offering FS to almost anybody and everybody? Also it appears that the shooter's visit took place in the early evening. From reading comments, the daytime shifts at these massage place is usually older ladies who only do legit massage. Later at night is when the sex workers arrive. Three of the female workers killed were aged 63, 69, and 74.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2543049]If so, I must give consideration to taking vaccines, but I rather not to take this vaccines![/QUOTE]Before taking it, may be better to wait a bit, now Europe in under a terrible third wave, let us see how the vaccinated people are protected and how they are or not able to transmit the covid. If you are vaccinated but still a spreader of the covid I am not so sure it is useful to have a passport.

So I just read that Germany is going into Lock down again, so I guess we can forget about liberating our penis in German soil this Easter and I wonder if this summer will be another lock down penis in Germany for mongers? LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2543049]If so, I must give consideration to taking vaccines, but I rather not to take this vaccines![/QUOTE]Then you best be prepared to be staying home then. The requirement to be vaccinated for international travel is coming, and we all know it. Better to get it done and be prepared. Hell, tutes may require a monger to "show papers" before they will DFK LOL!

[QUOTE=BigFella97;2543391]Nothing compares to a German sauna club though. I'm headed back to Stuttgart as soon as I can justify it.[/QUOTE]Although not as luxurious, the Brazilian termas (saunas) can.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2543490]So I just read that Germany is going into Lock down again, so I guess we can forget about liberating our penis in German soil this Easter and I wonder if this summer will be another lock down penis in Germany for mongers? LOL![/QUOTE]It is called Chastity I believe.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2543049]If so, I must give consideration to taking vaccines, but I rather not to take this vaccines![/QUOTE]Yes, get vaccinated so you can start your humanitarian activity again for the hot tutes! LOL.

[QUOTE=BigFella97;2543391]I was surprised as anyone to see the advanced ages of the ones killed. He likely wasn't denied sex because of appearance, he probably couldn't afford it on his last trip.[/QUOTE]I believe he purchased the gun the morning of the shooting and was inside the massage place for 1 hour and 12 minutes before the shooting. Investigators said he had been a customer before, so he must have known the pricing. The current narrative is that shooter felt like he was doing others a favor by exterminating them, removing the temptation.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2543007]The shooter was a religious, inexperienced newbie......[/QUOTE]No one is more mentally mixed up than a religious, inexperienced newbie who has a hard raging penis, is unable to shoot his hot seminal load into a warm vagina, thinks that fornication is wrong and the ladies who can satisfy his urges are bad. If he won't shoot a load one way he'd do it another.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2543603]No one is more mentally mixed up than a religious, inexperienced newbie who has a hard raging penis, is unable to shoot his hot seminal load into a warm vagina, thinks that fornication is wrong and the ladies who can satisfy his urges are bad. If he won't shoot a load one way he'd do it another.[/QUOTE]Which medicine are you taking, seems very strong.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2543536]It is called Chastity I believe.[/QUOTE]100 % sure Easter will only be religious with no brothels in Germany, and I doubt before elections.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543541]Yes, get vaccinated so you can start your humanitarian activity again for the hot tutes! LOL.[/QUOTE]Had my first jab a month ago, waiting for the date for my second.

I will be ready to return to the Clubs but will Germany & the clubs be ready for me??

I think not until late summer at the very earliest!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2543490]So I just read that Germany is going into Lock down again, so I guess we can forget about liberating our penis in German soil this Easter and I wonder if this summer will be another lock down penis in Germany for mongers? LOL![/QUOTE]I didn't expect that easter would be a possibility, but I am really, really eager to get back on the hobby.

Got my hopes up on summer. First thing I will do is book a sunny day off near Frankfurt and go to Oase and hang around their garden for the whole day.

Did that a while back when they were doing up the place, and all the girls had to hang out outside. Great fun. There is something oddly fascinating watching two naked women playing at an actual ping-pong table in the sun. Epic.

Invited both of them for a threesome on one of those shaded beds at the far end of the garden. Awesome.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2543648]I didn't expect that easter would be a possibility, but I am really, really eager to get back on the hobby.

Got my hopes up on summer. First thing I will do is book a sunny day off near Frankfurt and go to Oase and hang around their garden for the whole day.

Did that a while back when they were doing up the place, and all the girls had to hang out outside. Great fun. There is something oddly fascinating watching two naked women playing at an actual ping-pong table in the sun. Epic.

Invited both of them for a threesome on one of those shaded beds at the far end of the garden. Awesome.[/QUOTE]When I was at Oase, I met bunch of American guys, I had little chat and some girls came by and asked us to show us around the garden, I politely refused, but American guys went to get show around the garden of oase, they never came back from garden LOL! I think they were getting showed around in the little tents in the garden LOL! I stuck my ass tight to my chair at the down stairs restaurant where the girls come out from the changing room under good light to catch my stunner LOL!

I think summer is possible as vaccines are here, but will it be business enough to reopen the FKK for the owners? If it is for just summer few months?

[QUOTE=Canary;2543621]Had my first jab a month ago, waiting for the date for my second.

I will be ready to return to the Clubs but will Germany & the clubs be ready for me??

I think not until late summer at the very earliest![/QUOTE]Well we do not want to go all the way there to Germany and jerk off to porn sties in hotel room LOL!

Escorts are all open here for me, I restrained myself from mongering as I do not want to risk health and I fucked enough stunners in my life anyways, so I am satisfied and fulfilled, this is good thing of veteran mongers, we are more calm when it comes to temptation! Because we have been there and done it too much LOL!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543541]Yes, get vaccinated so you can start your humanitarian activity again for the hot tutes! LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, I just want to save them, I swear LOL! Like United Nations, it is United Mongers, not UN, but UM LOL!

From now on, at German passport control, I will say I work for UM LOL! You know like UN, but UM LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2543516]Then you best be prepared to be staying home then. The requirement to be vaccinated for international travel is coming, and we all know it. Better to get it done and be prepared. Hell, tutes may require a monger to "show papers" before they will DFK LOL![/QUOTE]Man,

I do not want to though, it is so dodgy how they try to enforce this chemicals that is invented in nutshell!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2543536]It is called Chastity I believe.[/QUOTE]I call it charity as I am a UM worker, United Mongers to save Romanian girls LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2543603]No one is more mentally mixed up than a religious, inexperienced newbie who has a hard raging penis, is unable to shoot his hot seminal load into a warm vagina, thinks that fornication is wrong and the ladies who can satisfy his urges are bad. If he won't shoot a load one way he'd do it another.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, WGs are making a social job, when some guys need to speak, many speaking about private with wife to girls, some girls telling: so boring. Also social job for sex, as we pay for therapist. Problem is some guys get so frustrated with girls, probably about their image or performance. Now, even thought about sex given to handicaped. When not forced, sex is not dirty, but more of a therapy, even some get frustration from their level for sex.

[QUOTE=Canary;2543621]Had my first jab a month ago, waiting for the date for my second.

I will be ready to return to the Clubs but will Germany & the clubs be ready for me??

I think not until late summer at the very earliest![/QUOTE]I think travel will open up for vaccinated people. I only worry that the UK government will mess the vaccine passport up. I also hope they will not introduce a £5,000 fee for holidaying abroad this summer, unless you have a second house abroad. Sounds crazy only to write it down! I have a flight booked for September and I would be very disappointed if it gets cancelled.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2543783] .. sex is not dirty, but more of a therapy, even some get frustration from their level for sex.[/QUOTE]Some people are definitely in need of therapy.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543616]Which medicine are you taking, seems very strong.[/QUOTE]A person knowledgeable about psychology will conclude that sub-consciously you think that what I stated applies to you and my reading of your contributions to this forum seems to confirm that. You always seem to be criticizing prostitution. Am I wrong?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2543931]Some people are definitely in need of therapy.[/QUOTE]My best therapy is on my great bicycle for climber, much more efficient than psychiatry. WGs are not interesting enough for therapy for me, but to play.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2543951]A person knowledgeable about psychology will conclude that sub-consciously you think that what I stated applies to you and my reading of your contributions to this forum seems to confirm that. You always seem to be criticizing prostitution. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]I am not against prostitution but I don't believe that it is a great achievement for men (including myself) to be obliged to pay for having sex with girls. Also it is not a great performance for the girls to be a prostitute. In a FKK a girls learns nothing except fucking and sucking which is not having a great value on the job market.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2543661]When I was at Oase, I met bunch of American guys, I had little chat and some girls came by and asked us to show us around the garden, I politely refused, but American guys went to get show around the garden of oase, they never came back from garden LOL! I think they were getting showed around in the little tents in the garden LOL! I stuck my ass tight to my chair at the down stairs restaurant where the girls come out from the changing room under good light to catch my stunner LOL!

I think summer is possible as vaccines are here, but will it be business enough to reopen the FKK for the owners? If it is for just summer few months?[/QUOTE]Haven't been to the restaurant in Oase for a long while. They used to have great pizza.

My guess would be that the big FKKs will open at first opportunity they get. Question is how many girls will be there from the start, but I guess they will show up rather quickly.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2543997]Haven't been to the restaurant in Oase for a long while. They used to have great pizza.

My guess would be that the big FKKs will open at first opportunity they get. Question is how many girls will be there from the start, but I guess they will show up rather quickly.[/QUOTE]When I was there in very limited occasion, there was a pizza that costed like 10 euro or something, but pasta there was fine for me and coffee did taste better at Oase given that it is the Italian owner!

Yeah from girls stand point, it is not worth to come for few weeks then government order to shut it again, so right, some foreign girls can be in shortage! Maybe some local girls and unwanted veteran for my taste be there right away LOL!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543817]I think travel will open up for vaccinated people. I only worry that the UK government will mess the vaccine passport up. I also hope they will not introduce a 5,000 fee for holidaying abroad this summer, unless you have a second house abroad. Sounds crazy only to write it down! I have a flight booked for September and I would be very disappointed if it gets cancelled.[/QUOTE]Now you need vaccinated passport for BBBJ LOL! Soon they be asking to put condom on your tongue if you do not pay extra LOL!

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2543997]My guess would be that the big FKKs will open at first opportunity they get. Question is how many girls will be there from the start, but I guess they will show up rather quickly.[/QUOTE]What I want to know is if the clubs will try to gouge mongers by raising prices on things like entrance fees, beer and drinks, and for anything else that they think they can get away with. They better be careful not to get greedy. I want to go to Germany again, but I won't if I don't like the results of my cost-benefit analysis. Other mongers could decide the same. Then, there are others who will return no matter what.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2544009]What I want to know is if the clubs will try to gouge mongers by raising prices on things like entrance fees, beer and drinks, and for anything else that they think they can get away with. They better be careful not to get greedy. I want to go to Germany again, but I won't if I don't like the results of my cost-benefit analysis. Other mongers could decide the same. Then, there are others who will return no matter what.[/QUOTE]You can go to Brazil as an alternative option, but things are as worst or even worst than Europe, so it will take awhile to normalize for flying mongers! What intrigue me is there are some clubs let say like Palace which has been closed since last March or last spring till now and no word! So I wonder if they are still ok to stand after corona! There won't be shut down I think, but I reckon there could be new ownership!

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2543997]Haven't been to the restaurant in Oase for a long while. They used to have great pizza.

My guess would be that the big FKKs will open at first opportunity they get. Question is how many girls will be there from the start, but I guess they will show up rather quickly.[/QUOTE]They were not allowed to reopen on 2020 and Germany is in worst situation now, with extended lockdown.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543817]I think travel will open up for vaccinated people. I only worry that the UK government will mess the vaccine passport up. I also hope they will not introduce a 5,000 fee for holidaying abroad this summer, unless you have a second house abroad. Sounds crazy only to write it down! I have a flight booked for September and I would be very disappointed if it gets cancelled.[/QUOTE]The thing about the fine is that the amount effectively prevents ordinary people from travelling but won't deter a Canary Wharf VP or Bullingdon Club members.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2543817]I think travel will open up for vaccinated people. I only worry that the UK government will mess the vaccine passport up. I also hope they will not introduce a 5,000 fee for holidaying abroad this summer, unless you have a second house abroad. Sounds crazy only to write it down! I have a flight booked for September and I would be very disappointed if it gets cancelled.[/QUOTE]So having the vaccine passport seems to be the ultimate solution. Strange that you consider that the people who got vaccine will not get the covid and second that they can't transmit the covid to others. Vaccines don't prevent you get the covid just seem to prevent you to be intubated and under ventilators, which doesn't mean at all that you will not be seriously ill and that you can need weeks or even months to recover.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543966]I am not against prostitution but I don't believe that it is a great achievement for men (including myself) to be obliged to pay for having sex with girls. Also it is not a great performance for the girls to be a prostitute. In a FKK a girls learns nothing except fucking and sucking which is not having a great value on the job market.[/QUOTE]Do you monger? If not then the only reason you are on ISG is to deter others from pursuing that beautiful hobby. Am I wrong?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2544052]You can go to Brazil as an alternative option, but things are as worst or even worst than Europe, so it will take awhile to normalize for flying mongers! What intrigue me is there are some clubs let say like Palace which has been closed since last March or last spring till now and no word! So I wonder if they are still ok to stand after corona! There won't be shut down I think, but I reckon there could be new ownership![/QUOTE]I won't be setting foot in Brazil anytime soon. They simply aren't managing the COVID outbreak there effectively. Now, we can hope that when all of this is over, things will look as they were before, but we have to be realistic and know they won't be. Here many businesses have already closed their doors for good, or they have announced they will be closing. And more is to come. After a year, these businesses simply can't go on with shutdowns and capacity restrictions. FKK businesses are not immune. Some will survive. Some won't. I just hope that a high percentage of my favorite clubs make it. That's the best I can hope for. That's the best all of us can hope for. Expecting all to be as it was is pure folly.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544216]Do you monger? If not then the only reason you are on ISG is to deter others from pursuing that beautiful hobby. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]May be I mongered more than you, 1000+ girls in 10 years, more than 200 escorts mostly in Germany never less than 3 hours but usually overnight, I spent in average 5000 Euros+ per month for prostitutes, when I visit a FKK my daily budget is 1000 euros I should say was but in the recent years it was very difficult for me to spend my money, as you are may be aware I only go with young, fresh, natural beauties, no sili, tattoos, no smoking.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544216]Do you monger? If not then the only reason you are on ISG is to deter others from pursuing that beautiful hobby. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]A girl doesn't work in a sauna club to learn new abilities, a girl does it to make money. What she does after is none of the customer's business.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2544161]So having the vaccine passport seems to be the ultimate solution. Strange that you consider that the people who got vaccine will not get the covid and second that they can't transmit the covid to others. Vaccines don't prevent you get the covid just seem to prevent you to be intubated and under ventilators, which doesn't mean at all that you will not be seriously ill and that you can need weeks or even months to recover.[/QUOTE]First studies are coming out that transmission rates are reduced significantly for vaccinated people.

The reason people are told to still use masks is that you can't put a stamp on the forehead of the vaccinated people to identify them easily.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543966]I am not against prostitution but I don't believe that it is a great achievement for men (including myself) to be obliged to pay for having sex with girls. Also it is not a great performance for the girls to be a prostitute. In a FKK a girls learns nothing except fucking and sucking which is not having a great value on the job market.[/QUOTE]Nobody says it is a great achievement for men to pay for sex. The FKK model makes it easy, convenient, relatively cheap, quick, no consequences way to have sex with every time a different 22 year old nine or ten.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2544252]First studies are coming out that transmission rates are reduced significantly for vaccinated people.

The reason people are told to still use masks is that you can't put a stamp on the forehead of the vaccinated people to identify them easily.[/QUOTE]Told him that months ago. But you can't expect someone to integrate new knowledge and formulate new views if their goal is only to prove their own beliefs rather.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2544252]First studies are coming out that transmission rates are reduced significantly for vaccinated people.

The reason people are told to still use masks is that you can't put a stamp on the forehead of the vaccinated people to identify them easily.[/QUOTE]Waiting, nobody knows today the efficiency of the vaccines and the possible side effects. You seem to believe that vaccines are the only solution may be may be not, let us be a little bit modest, we have to wait how the things will evaluate in Israel in the coming months, it is too early.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2544219]I won't be setting foot in Brazil anytime soon. They simply aren't managing the COVID outbreak there effectively. Now, we can hope that when all of this is over, things will look as they were before, but we have to be realistic and know they won't be. Here many businesses have already closed their doors for good, or they have announced they will be closing. And more is to come. After a year, these businesses simply can't go on with shutdowns and capacity restrictions. FKK businesses are not immune. Some will survive. Some won't. I just hope that a high percentage of my favorite clubs make it. That's the best I can hope for. That's the best all of us can hope for. Expecting all to be as it was is pure folly.[/QUOTE]Last year, I mentioned jokingly that in 2021, we will be saying in 2022 for mongering, but it is becoming a bit of the reality for some of us mongers LOL!

Yes, this pandemic did not just killed people directly, but I think there are more indirect death due to their business has been forced to closed and losing jobs to support themselves etc! However, from mongers stand point, will this hit on economy improve the quality of line up in long run at FKK?

As for surviving of the FKK, I think they will remain as they are, but could be with new owners as old owner has to sell it due to the shutdown! So we will see if it is for good or not because these FKK venues are license business and too lucrative to just close it down, so there will be investors who want to buy off for reasonable price!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2544009]What I want to know is if the clubs will try to gouge mongers by raising prices on things like entrance fees, beer and drinks, and for anything else that they think they can get away with. They better be careful not to get greedy. I want to go to Germany again, but I won't if I don't like the results of my cost-benefit analysis. Other mongers could decide the same. Then, there are others who will return no matter what.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing they will take the price up a notch, but probably not to the point where they lose to many customer, they need us back there.

And probably the girls will take it up a bit too, if demand is higher than supply. But once all the foreign girls are back in full force, that probably won't persist.

Or I could be wrong and they will just be so desparate for customers, price will be same and entrance discounted.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2544105]They were not allowed to reopen on 2020 and Germany is in worst situation now, with extended lockdown.[/QUOTE]Yeah it will take several months before this can even be on the table. But I'm still thinking during summer, perhaps July.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2544335]Yeah it will take several months before this can even be on the table. But I'm still thinking during summer, perhaps July.[/QUOTE]Where there is a will, there is a way, in the worst case scenario, you got yourself your right hand and nice memories from the past in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2544335]Yeah it will take several months before this can even be on the table. But I'm still thinking during summer, perhaps July.[/QUOTE]Do you know Germany decided to extend strict lockdown until at least 18 April, meaning 4 months under strict lockdown, they closed borders with Tirol, CZ and Poland, thinking now with France, when they forbid UK since around 2 months now. When lack of vaccine, Angela thinking about sputnik V when EU didn't even allow yet. Germany is in trouble with many deaths and I won't blame them to try to protect their citizens health, and you think they could reopen risky playfield brothels 2 months after the end of so long strict lockdown, when Italy fell again after opening restaurants only for a short while. I'm not so sure it would be so good point about safety, to be elected, and even just after election, when cold will return and should need to vaccine again. Rock bands are all delaying tours to 2022, like Rammstein even I m not a fan and won t go. Under UK mutant, beginning of 2021 is worst in Western continental Europe than 2020. Let's see for brothels future. I don't worry for brothels bosses, most of staff are foreigners, I don't worry much for WGs, their peste BF have to try to drive 500000 kms with Mercedes, like I do, even not Mercedes. I worry much more for normal people who can't work, when many are not allowed to work in France and I'm sad for them, much more than about brothels and prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2544334]I'm guessing they will take the price up a notch, but probably not to the point where they lose to many customer, they need us back there.

And probably the girls will take it up a bit too, if demand is higher than supply. But once all the foreign girls are back in full force, that probably won't persist.

Or I could be wrong and they will just be so desparate for customers, price will be same and entrance discounted.[/QUOTE]I think I read somewhere on the forum that Artemis raised the price already to 70 euro per 30 min from 60 euro per 30 min! It already was most expensive FKK in Germany before corona, but if this is true, then they seems to be the first one to raise the price!

However, considering Artemis is the biggest FKK with best facility in Germany with two steam rooms, two dry sauna, hamamm room, 2 pools both in and outside, gym among other facility benefits, I do understand it cost more to maintain, but I hope the service should go up too!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2544233]May be I mongered more than you, 1000+ girls in 10 years, more than 200 escorts mostly in Germany never less than 3 hours but usually overnight, I spent in average 5000 Euros+ per month for prostitutes, when I visit a FKK my daily budget is 1000 euros I should say was but in the recent years it was very difficult for me to spend my money, as you are may be aware I only go with young, fresh, natural beauties, no sili, tattoos, no smoking.[/QUOTE]I strongly believe that when FKKs reopen there will be lots of hot, fresh, natural beauties, no sili, tattoos, non smoking stunners waiting for us. That means ExpatLover will be rubbing shoulders with us rushing after the girls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544555]I strongly believe that when FKKs reopen there will be lots of hot, young, fresh, natural beauties, no sili, tattoos, non smoking stunners waiting for us. That means ExpatLover will be rubbing shoulders with us rushing after the girls.[/QUOTE]Mostly same girls on 2020 reopening, some moving to new club, some leaving small with only 10 rooms LR for better business, when GT oldies arrived at LR. I wonder if those who moved to Switzerland will return to German rates. Business was quite slow on reopening, even at rich Zurich Globe. I managed to find a wow aura at GT Vienna even since 5 years in business but I loved her taboos and reactions, really interesting even complicated. Had some pretty ones and another wow aura at Amesia, a very enjoyable German in bed at Globe. Only Germany was disappointing for looks, I repeated with Tina Samya after many years, welcoming me after. Was not so bad year, even didn't find dreamed girl I look for. Maybe on this year, if reopening. But not the most important for me, I manage without, with only 3 escorts meetings on this year, fake photos profiles killing my desire. Fortunately, in less than 3 months, rubbing my balls for hours on my beloved technique bicycle will be great and I like so much vessie pressure after that, sending as fast as possible, like when was child.

People who comes from an Asian culture, or subculture might have more problems with being free thinking human beings. And this is a massive problem for humanity. And it needs to change. This very problem is causing human lives due to both human error:

[URL]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10508414.2012.663234[/URL]

And it creates an environment where a facist regime such as the CCP manages to get into power. Thus leading to genocide in Xinjiang.

One does not have to be a fascist country in order to be able to quell all types of virus transmission in society. Several Norwegian and Finnish regions and big cities have done this several times again and again during the pandemic. However, new cases reenters from abroad again and again. While the last problem is immigrant societies in Oslo / Helsinki where people don't read news and lives in their own tribal society within the society. And this is where 50% of the cases are. While they only account for 2.5% of the total population (geographically speaking).

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544627]People who comes from an Asian culture, or subculture might have more problems with being free thinking human beings. And this is a massive problem for humanity. And it needs to change. This very problem is causing human lives due to both human error:

[URL]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10508414.2012.663234[/URL]

And it creates an environment where a facist regime such as the CCP manages to get into power. Thus leading to genocide in Xinjiang.

One does not have to be a fascist country in order to be able to quell all types of virus transmission in society. Several Norwegian and Finnish regions and big cities have done this several times again and again during the pandemic. However, new cases reenters from abroad again and again. While the last problem is immigrant societies in Oslo / Helsinki where people don't read news and lives in their own tribal society within the society. And this is where 50% of the cases are. While they only account for 2.5% of the total population (geographically speaking).[/QUOTE]It is very stereo typical and shows your bad upbringing in limited information region and also limited freedom to travel to broaden your horizon. Asian cultures are all different, and in some cases it is opposite like Japanese cultures and other cultures in Asia is different and so as the economical capacity among other area, so it is not precise to just sum it all up as Asian cultures.

Like Europe, I find for instance, Scandinavian people and French very different and same as Italian and German are different, in fact opposite, so considering I am an avid traveler since very young age and not just meeting, but living in all kind of different races in boarding school in UK, then Switzerland since age 12, I can confirm you that all cultures are so different and that is the beauty of the world!

Now, when it comes to certain culture in Asia, only problem is the some political culture and it is if you can look deeper, all this is still the seed of Soviet era, precisely still Lenin era, they planted this seed of communism long ago, and believe it or not, it still has the affect! And even worst, US and Japan gave China techonlogy and also money via Official Development Aid and China lead by chinese communist party managed to develop some part of their nation to almost G7 level nation and now we are facing the issue we are facing today.

All of which affected us mongers western part of our amazing sex life as they closed FKK! See Lenin planted the seed of communism and one thing lead to another like butterfly effect to affect us mongers sex life LOL! This I write jokingly, but this is the fact LOL! Lenin is the source of all this mess LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544627]One does not have to be a fascist country in order to be able to quell all types of virus transmission in society. Several Norwegian and Finnish regions and big cities have done this several times again and again during the pandemic. However, new cases reenters from abroad again and again.[/QUOTE]Finland and Norway have advantages. Lower population density. Not being a transportation hub. Culturally they have smaller social circles, smaller households. Strong health care system. Advanced economy that is remote work friendly.

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/living-alone[/URL]

[URL]https://hbr.org/2020/04/which-countries-were-and-werent-ready-for-remote-work[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544627]While the last problem is immigrant societies in Oslo / Helsinki where people don't read news and lives in their own tribal society within the society. And this is where 50% of the cases are. While they only account for 2.5% of the total population (geographically speaking).[/QUOTE]"Tribal" societies tend to be more close-knit. Immigrants who grew up in larger households and around religion are used to being around other people and less likely to be social hermits. Immigrants who have lower levels of education are lower on the economic ladder, so they are more likely to have jobs that do not allow for remote work.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2544555]I strongly believe that when FKKs reopen there will be lots of hot, young, fresh, natural beauties, no sili, tattoos, non smoking stunners waiting for us. That means ExpatLover will be rubbing shoulders with us rushing after the girls.[/QUOTE]That is wishful thinking and it is possible that we may have what I call walk in girls who is amateur stunner who just walk in for few weeks / months or just for summer to make the end meet for their studies or make money for their entrepreneur business etc, but let us see how it is going to be!

There will be some new girls for sure, it is just cycle of FKK, but the quality is depend on economy, pimp, luck among other variables, I just hope pimp did not quit their business during this lock down!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2544719]Finland and Norway have advantages. Lower population density. Not being a transportation hub. Culturally they have smaller social circles, smaller households. Strong health care system. Advanced economy that is remote work friendly.

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/living-alone[/URL]

[URL]https://hbr.org/2020/04/which-countries-were-and-werent-ready-for-remote-work[/URL]

"Tribal" societies tend to be more close-knit. Immigrants who grew up in larger households and around religion are used to being around other people and less likely to be social hermits. Immigrants who have lower levels of education are lower on the economic ladder, so they are more likely to have jobs that do not allow for remote work.[/QUOTE]Tribal society in the 21st century sense of the world applies to the in-group also. In Western societies, the far right movements are tribal cultures. Even though the anglo / Germanic ethnicities make up the largest groups in their societies, the far right also think, behave, and vote as a pack or a tribe. In the USA, the Trumpers make up the single largest voting block, representing at least 30% of the electorate. They let the dominant ideas of the group dictate the "cookbook" platform and demonstrate next to zero freethinking. As such, tribal thinking is hardly limited to a subculture or minority group.

I'm a dominantly western thinking person with some east Asian cultural influence. My mindset may be American to a fault but that East Asian influence allows me to see the value for the collective. The nuance here is of critical importance. While it is commonplace for the lesser culturally aware westerners to slap a superficial label on eastern thinking, they are unaware that the investment in the collective is a strategic capitalization of the power the group in order to benefit the individual. The group is a tool to benefit the individual. Mastering this mindset requires balancing the value and effiency of the individual but also the humility to realize that there can be an exponential return when utilizing the power and influence of the collective. Plus, not being a fucking weirdo is a powerful tool to have when attempting to capitalize on the benefits of the group.

One major difference is the concept of self-sacrifice. From my experience, it is much more common for the eastern child to make the decision to sacrifice *some* personal gain for the interest of the family unit. This is of course not exclusive to eastern cultures but to many minority black and brown cultures as well. In much of the 21st century western population, individuals often cannot be bothered to merely be inconvenienced in order to make things easier for another person. It is called courtesy and is often lacking in the selfish mind.

Please read all of this article:

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/coronavirusfrontlines/2020/04/22/this-hivaids-specialist-explains-its-similarities---and-differences---to-covid-19/?sh=6a4a6fa649f8[/URL]

"Attempts to develop a vaccine against SARS-CoV-1 following the 2003 SARS outbreak were not successful. Several candidate vaccines were shown to be relatively effective when tested on animals. But, the vaccinated animals also exhibited a severe immunopathology the vaccine appeared to have caused the animals' immune systems to become hyperactive and cause greater damage to them. More recently, researchers similarly showed that a candidate vaccine against MERS-CoV provided protection to mice from the virus, but could also result in the same kind of severe damage by their immune systems."

What they are not telling you is that the covid vaccines all gives the same type of immune response. But to a varying degree. The AZ version a bit more than Moderna / Pfizer. Then again, the Moderna / Pfizer has probably a bigger risk to make women infertile.

Link between the MMR vaccine and covid:

[URL]https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/6/e02628-20[/URL]

So you might think that having this MMR vaccine prior to covid is a good thing. Well, for one it shows how the link between the programmers of the viruses. And 2, as you can read in the Forbes article regarding the link to AIDS, you want to have had mumps naturally, but not the vaccine against it! Because actually having the virus naturally in you, will make the T-cells naturally dissipate.

[URL]https://www.deccanherald.com/international/should-you-be-concerned-about-blood-clots-bleeding-and-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-962555.html[/URL]

"Other vaccines, particularly the one given to children for measles, mumps and rubella, have been linked to temporarily lowered levels of platelets, a blood component essential for clotting."

[QUOTE=MrHo;2544706]It is very stereo typical and shows your bad upbringing in limited information region and also limited freedom to travel to broaden your horizon. Asian cultures are all different, and in some cases it is opposite like Japanese cultures and other cultures in Asia is different and so as the economical capacity among other area, so it is not precise to just sum it all up as Asian cultures.

Like Europe, I find for instance, Scandinavian people and French very different and same as Italian and German are different, in fact opposite, so considering I am an avid traveler since very young age and not just meeting, but living in all kind of different races in boarding school in UK, then Switzerland since age 12, I can confirm you that all cultures are so different and that is the beauty of the world!

Now, when it comes to certain culture in Asia, only problem is the some political culture and it is if you can look deeper, all this is still the seed of Soviet era, precisely still Lenin era, they planted this seed of communism long ago, and believe it or not, it still has the affect! And even worst, US and Japan gave China techonlogy and also money via Official Development Aid and China lead by chinese communist party managed to develop some part of their nation to almost G7 level nation and now we are facing the issue we are facing today.

All of which affected us mongers western part of our amazing sex life as they closed FKK! See Lenin planted the seed of communism and one thing lead to another like butterfly effect to affect us mongers sex life LOL! This I write jokingly, but this is the fact LOL! Lenin is the source of all this mess LOL![/QUOTE]As a matter of fact I have lived and studied in the most archtypical of asian societies (Singapore), and discussed this topic to death with asian professors who lecture on the topic. In fact, it was even brought to my attention by three ethnic chinese, indian and korean professors in communication.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2544719]Finland and Norway have advantages. Lower population density. Not being a transportation hub. Culturally they have smaller social circles, smaller households. Strong health care system. Advanced economy that is remote work friendly.

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/living-alone[/URL]

[URL]https://hbr.org/2020/04/which-countries-were-and-werent-ready-for-remote-work[/URL]

"Tribal" societies tend to be more close-knit. Immigrants who grew up in larger households and around religion are used to being around other people and less likely to be social hermits. Immigrants who have lower levels of education are lower on the economic ladder, so they are more likely to have jobs that do not allow for remote work.[/QUOTE]This is all very true. I give you that. But more can be done in order to make this happen all over the world. My post was just to illustrate that it is doable even without the context of the strong leader. Subordinate sheep mentality ingrained especially in asian societies. But also more so in USA than in Europe.

To give you one example of how this work in Singapore: If you as a laborer leave work before your boss, you might get fired soon. So workers stay put at their jobs long past the close of the day. If only to play playstation or xbox while at work, because they are done with their normal tasks.

In Norway, when you get to Friday, half the workforce leaves work at around 13.00. A full three hours before work is done. Both in order to skip traffic jams, as well as getting ready for partying or just the fact that they are done for the work this week after lunch hours. Maybe as much as 20% of the workforce doesn't even work on Friday due to the same principles. Also due to the option of taking a long weekend trip to somewhere in europe, and many flight carriers have thus weekend flights leaving Thursday evening / night, and not on fridays when it is more quiet at the airports. At least before covid.

This whole topic is a big one in Singapore (and Hong Kong) because university professionals have come to realize that the best solution in order to stop the low fertility rate (below 1 many places in the most advanced asian countries), this leader. Worker relation has to change. Otherwise their numbers would go down.

So ironically, I was not being racist towards asians here at all. Quite the opposite as I even lectured some of these professors on how this link works.

As a matter of fact I love Asia and have travelled there extensively. Especially certain types of Asian vaginuses are quite nice to sexplore. Although the most touristic places do tend to get dangerously destroyed by Asian capitalistic opportunists.

And Mr. Ho is absolutely right when it comes to a distorted view in the west regarding Asia, and especially China. I was once in Guangzhou, and I felt treated like a Hollywood star. People came up and gave me free tee several places. One girl I asked for direction at a subway came along as a guide for 2 hours for free. I think she wanted dick, but she wasn't very hot. I got the feeling HK men have been fetching the hottest women in Guangzhou for generations. And when you are in HK, you turn your head all the time due to all the hot girls. Polar opposite to Guangzhou. I saw a total of 2 other non Chinese persons when exploring Guangzhou for 3 days!

Shenzhen was something in between Guangzhou and HK (I have been to HK maybe 7 or 8 times) when it comes to women's hotness. But the locals are too opportunistic and wants to rip you off in Shenzhen. Badly. So I hated SZ! Reminded me of the opportunists in Bali or some places in Thailand (Vietnam is much better in SE Asia).

So the welcoming spirit of chinese and Asians are quite good as long as the local culture is not twisted towards capitalism and scams.

Japan is a thing of its own really, and too wealthy to consider scams. So as much as some asians might not always consider Britain to be european, in this regard I am not including Japan in the rest of Asia either. I could say the same about The Philippines, but for different reasons.

The only thing I dislike about the japanese is how the Yakuza has nearly totally ruined Bangkok's party scene. And they are setting a bad example for the newly rich chinese who travels to thailand also. Though maybe covid has put some sort of a pause to that.

The Koreans are doing the same in the philippines. And inside China (and Vietnam) it is even worse (I have yet to visit Japan), as the KTV managers only show non-locals the ugliest girls. If you go there with a local, as I have done three times. They will tell you all about it and let you know that we have to decouple for a few hours after leaving and him / them reentering without you.

So it has nothing to do with them not allowing you in for some reason. It is all about how they rate the girls in terms of beauty. And this is something I truly disgustingly hate about the asian scene. And my american friend I met in Macau told me the same stories from all over China, and especially in Shanghai (as I only tried DG inside the borders).

A four-room apartment in a residential area was used by multiple WGs. No surprise, random men arriving all hours of the night arouse suspicion from authorities. Because of the additional risk and the need to relocate operations to evade authorities, WGs might use this to justify a price increase. Reports like this might also scare off potential customers, upsetting supply / demand and affecting price.

[QUOTE]Controls show no effect

After that happened several times, he and other neighbors contacted the public order and health department. The first inspection took place at the end of November last year. "Then they told me that they met three prostitutes, including pimps, in the apartment and expelled them from the house," reports Mr. Meier.

Apparently no sustainable success. "A week later, the police, the public order office and the health department came back and carried out a major check. They took out four prostitutes, their pimps and the corresponding customers."

The game repeats itself several times: again and again there are controls, again and again prostitutes and suitors are caught in the house. Sometimes it gets adventurous when a pimp tries to escape by jumping from the balcony of the apartment on the slightly elevated ground floor.

https://www.hessenschau.de/gesellschaft/aerger-ueber-wohnungsprostitution-in-pohlheim,pohlheim-prostitution-100.html.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544855]As a matter of fact I have lived and studied in the most archtypical of asian societies (Singapore), and discussed this topic to death with asian professors who lecture on the topic. In fact, it was even brought to my attention by three ethnic chinese, indian and korean professors in communication.[/QUOTE]Well to inform you and educate you further, Chinese and Indian and Korean you mentioned are all different, only thing that is close is if you throw in north Korea, it is similar to Chinese regime, but not the country itself and Singapore is so different to all the three nations you mentioned LOL! So you got to study more, but more field study of actually travelling to these nations and even better make friends in those nations are recommended which I have beside north Korea unfortunately LOL!

If what you say is true, then it is so strange that they actually taught you that Asian nations are all same, I went to most of them and they all were different in culture, character, political system etc LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544859]As a matter of fact I love Asia and have travelled there extensively. Especially certain types of Asian vaginuses are quite nice to sexplore. Although the most touristic places do tend to get dangerously destroyed by Asian capitalistic opportunists.

And Mr. Ho is absolutely right when it comes to a distorted view in the west regarding Asia, and especially China. I was once in Guangzhou, and I felt treated like a Hollywood star. People came up and gave me free tee several places. One girl I asked for direction at a subway came along as a guide for 2 hours for free. I think she wanted dick, but she wasn't very hot. I got the feeling HK men have been fetching the hottest women in Guangzhou for generations. And when you are in HK, you turn your head all the time due to all the hot girls. Polar opposite to Guangzhou. I saw a total of 2 other non Chinese persons when exploring Guangzhou for 3 days!

Shenzhen was something in between Guangzhou and HK (I have been to HK maybe 7 or 8 times) when it comes to women's hotness. But the locals are too opportunistic and wants to rip you off in Shenzhen. Badly. So I hated SZ! Reminded me of the opportunists in Bali or some places in Thailand (Vietnam is much better in SE Asia).

So the welcoming spirit of chinese and Asians are quite good as long as the local culture is not twisted towards capitalism and scams..[/QUOTE]China actually have very beautiful culture and deep as french and japanese cuisine which are regarded as best in the world, but what happened to China is that Chinese communist party came in and messed everything up and I am one of few Japanese who admit Japan and also UK played big part in laying out the soil for communism to grow in China, but seed was planted by Lenin by soviet and it still have affect in this world we live in, it is like butterfly affect and is crazy LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2544814]Tribal society in the 21st century sense of the world applies to the in-group also. In Western societies, the far right movements are tribal cultures. Even though the anglo / Germanic ethnicities make up the largest groups in their societies, the far right also think, behave, and vote as a pack or a tribe. In the USA, the Trumpers make up the single largest voting block, representing at least 30% of the electorate. They let the dominant ideas of the group dictate the "cookbook" platform and demonstrate next to zero freethinking. As such, tribal thinking is hardly limited to a subculture or minority group.

I'm a dominantly western thinking person with some east Asian cultural influence. My mindset may be American to a fault but that East Asian influence allows me to see the value for the collective. The nuance here is of critical importance. While it is commonplace for the lesser culturally aware westerners to slap a superficial label on eastern thinking, they are unaware that the investment in the collective is a strategic capitalization of the power the group in order to benefit the individual. The group is a tool to benefit the individual. Mastering this mindset requires balancing the value and effiency of the individual but also the humility to realize that there can be an exponential return when utilizing the power and influence of the collective. Plus, not being a fucking weirdo is a powerful tool to have when attempting to capitalize on the benefits of the group.[/QUOTE]From West, East can learn liberalism and freedom spirit, but West can learn about philosophy and deeper thinking from East and west can learn about how to cook from Japan, only western nation who know how to really cook is France by far then Italy and Spain, but France is same level of depth as Japan for cooking and both nation inspire each other like most French chef that are Michellin star level are inspire by Japanese cuisine and Japan is always inspire by French cuisine, it is different direction of cooking, but depth are the same, so it matches!

When it comes to mongering, Japan should open more door open to foreigners as best stunners are often only for Japanese and when it comes to mongering all nations can learn only from Germany LOL! And as for Brazil, it sound promising place to monger too! Only thing Brazil manage to organize well seems to be their Therma brothel LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544862]The only thing I dislike about the japanese is how the Yakuza has nearly totally ruined Bangkok's party scene. And they are setting a bad example for the newly rich chinese who travels to thailand also. Though maybe covid has put some sort of a pause to that.

The Koreans are doing the same in the philippines. And inside China (and Vietnam) it is even worse (I have yet to visit Japan), as the KTV managers only show non-locals the ugliest girls. If you go there with a local, as I have done three times. They will tell you all about it and let you know that we have to decouple for a few hours after leaving and him / them reentering without you.

So it has nothing to do with them not allowing you in for some reason. It is all about how they rate the girls in terms of beauty. And this is something I truly disgustingly hate about the asian scene. And my american friend I met in Macau told me the same stories from all over China, and especially in Shanghai (as I only tried DG inside the borders).[/QUOTE]The wise advise that should be on your mind is stick to German FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544857]In Norway, when you get to Friday, half the workforce leaves work at around 13.00. A full three hours before work is done. Both in order to skip traffic jams, as well as getting ready for partying or just the fact that they are done for the work this week after lunch hours. [/QUOTE]Europeans and their 35-hour work weeks is a relatively recent phenomenon. A century ago, Europeans were working slave hours. Japan's economic miracle happened in the 1960's, but have stagnated last three decades. Any other Asian countries, that status of being "rich" is relatively recent. If we saw maybe 3-4 successive generations of wealth and all the comforts associated with that, I believe you would start to observe complacency.

Two or three generations from now, I could envision Chinese that are more politically engaged, "lazier", selfish, and individualistic, although not to the degree of the Western countries. Hobbies, external interests, politics, social justice: these are all luxuries. Less "privileged" people in poorer countries are concerned with day-to-day survival and don't concern themselves with such matters. China, while no longer as poor as Africa, still has a hustle mindset. Essentially they are making up for lost time and economic opportunities that didn't exist prior to 1978. Speaking to people that have lived in China as expats, a common complaint is that when you a date a Chinese girl, she does not actually have hobbies (besides streaming movies for free) because (1) all of her childhood and adolescence was preoccupied with studying, and (2) her family only joined the middle class a decade ago. Demanding free speech is not something that an average Chinese girl cares about.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2544814]One major difference is the concept of self-sacrifice. From my experience, it is much more common for the eastern child to make the decision to sacrifice *some* personal gain for the interest of the family unit. This is of course not exclusive to eastern cultures but to many minority black and brown cultures as well. In much of the 21st century western population, individuals often cannot be bothered to merely be inconvenienced in order to make things easier for another person. It is called courtesy and is often lacking in the selfish mind.[/QUOTE]Individualistic societies in Western Europe sent their young men to war, not that long ago. I would characterize that as self-sacrifice, but perhaps that was a different generation. Any war in the future, would divide nations, resulting in counter-war protests. Not that, that would be a bad thing necessarily.

Individualistic societies place more emphasis on self-esteem. If every child receives a trophy and nobody is honest with them, then everybody grows up thinking they are special or smarter than the experts. According to this article, the self-esteem craze started in 1980's in America and spread to Europe: [URL]https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/self-esteem-is-great-so-long-as-it-is-rooted-in-reality-1.3692374[/URL].

To your point about tribalism, OP seemed to be referring to Arabs, Blacks, or East-Africans. But this article also links tribalism to the in-groups that you mention. And even takes the stance that both the social justice warriors on the left and the Trumpists are the byproduct of this self-esteem movement that went awry, because it actually created an emotionally fragile generation with lower "authentic" self-esteem.

[QUOTE]"The left dwells on an inverted sort of superiority based on group victimhood. Social justice warriors participate in the Oppression Olympics as a way to win what Rand called tribal self-esteem to make up for their lack of individual self-esteem: to shore up their small, weak egos."

https://fee.org/articles/trump-s-ego-is-actually-too-small/[/QUOTE][QUOTE]"The overwhelming majority of racists are men who have earned no sense of personal identity, who can claim no individual achievement or distinction, and who seek the illusion of a tribal self-esteem by alleging the inferiority of some other tribe."

https://fee.org/articles/what-the-self-esteem-movement-got-disastrously-wrong.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544862]The only thing I dislike about the japanese is how the Yakuza has nearly totally ruined Bangkok's party scene. And they are setting a bad example for the newly rich chinese who travels to thailand also. Though maybe covid has put some sort of a pause to that.

The Koreans are doing the same in the philippines. And inside China (and Vietnam) it is even worse (I have yet to visit Japan), as the KTV managers only show non-locals the ugliest girls. If you go there with a local, as I have done three times. They will tell you all about it and let you know that we have to decouple for a few hours after leaving and him / them reentering without you.

So it has nothing to do with them not allowing you in for some reason. It is all about how they rate the girls in terms of beauty. And this is something I truly disgustingly hate about the asian scene. And my american friend I met in Macau told me the same stories from all over China, and especially in Shanghai (as I only tried DG inside the borders).[/QUOTE]Times have changed. It is a fact that in Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, the Philippines, etc.) the Asians keep the best girls for Asians and farang get the fuglies. It is ironic that in Europe (for example, German FKKs), Asians run after the hottest girls and vice versa.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545292]Times have changed. It is a fact that in Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, the Philippines, etc.) the Asians keep the best girls for Asians and farang get the fuglies. It is ironic that in Europe (for example, German FKKs), Asians run after the hottest girls and vice versa.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is more or less dead in China for at least 5 years, but still you can meet girls mostly students in the big cities. They are looking for some financial support and also are pleased to practice their English. Better to provide a kind of monthly money so you can get a kind of exclusivity. My best monger experiences were in China but of course you need to speak some Chinese, to drive your car (to give her confidence that you are in China for long time) those girls are not looking for one night sex, they are not professional.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545084]From West, East can learn liberalism and freedom spirit, but West can learn about philosophy and deeper thinking from East and west can learn about how to cook from Japan, only western nation who know how to really cook is France by far then Italy and Spain, but France is same level of depth as Japan for cooking and both nation inspire each other like most French chef that are Michellin star level are inspire by Japanese cuisine and Japan is always inspire by French cuisine, it is different direction of cooking, but depth are the same, so it matches!
When it comes to mongering, Japan should open more door open to foreigners as best stunners are often only for Japanese and when it comes to mongering all nations can learn only from Germany LOL! And as for Brazil, it sound promising place to monger too! Only thing Brazil manage to organize well seems to be their Therma brothel LOL![/QUOTE]Greece, the seat of western civilization, also has great cooking and cuisine. Besides, my favorite mongering upsell service of anal sex or "Greek" is also named after them so. Hahaha! I don't know about Germany being the only nation that other countries can learn something from when it comes to mongering. But, what I do know is that tutes of all nationalities should learn from Brazilian girls about how to please and satisfy the customer. And I don't just mean about anal either. Best BBBJ / CIM mouth I ever had in my life was in Switzerland. Delivered by a Brazilian girl who didn't even do anal LOL!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2545279]Individualistic societies in Western Europe sent their young men to war, not that long ago. I would characterize that as self-sacrifice, but perhaps that was a different generation. Any war in the future, would divide nations, resulting in counter-war protests. Not that, that would be a bad thing necessarily.

Individualistic societies place more emphasis on self-esteem. If every child receives a trophy and nobody is honest with them, then everybody grows up thinking they are special or smarter than the experts. According to this article, the self-esteem craze started in 1980's in America and spread to Europe: [URL]https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/self-esteem-is-great-so-long-as-it-is-rooted-in-reality-1.3692374[/URL]..[/QUOTE]We are speaking about a very different sense of the term "sacrifice. " Your scenario of European military sacrifice is the one that is often a result of brainwashing. Is the "serve your country" message authentic? As in, are the national regimes reciprocally invested in your well being? Heck, around a dozen European countries still mandate military service.

The familial sacrifice to which I refer is more authentic to the individual. It may involve allocating finances to take care of aging loved ones, making career decisions to stay close to family, planning for homes that can house a family member in their golden years, etc.

The OP's use of the word tribalism, not surprisingly, just reflects a derogatory view of immigrants and ethnic minorities. His use of the term is attached to a sense of primitive existence to those ethnic groups. Meanwhile, the most dangerous form of tribalism in 2021 is the xenophobic tribalism seen by the dominant ethnic group of a developed nation. These groups often have the most financial, political, and cultural clout. As such, their agendas have a much more direct and immediate impact on a society. Look at Trumpism, Brexit, and the various ultra-conservative movements throughout Europe. While I find the emotional feel-good stances of leftist-liberal movements shallow and artificial, at least it seems that their agendas are less often rooted in fear and protectionism. While I don't agree with their methods, at least their agendas try to promote inclusion and forward progress.

There's a reason why most of society's winners don't have strong views regarding either side of politics. People with authentic self-esteem have it because they have skills, assets, social clout, etc. Their choice regarding political correctness comes from a place of courtesy and respect for others rather than protecting a fragile egos.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545292]Times have changed. It is a fact that in Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, the Philippines, etc.) the Asians keep the best girls for Asians and farang get the fuglies. It is ironic that in Europe (for example, German FKKs), Asians run after the hottest girls and vice versa.[/QUOTE]Why ironic? Isn't it just more of the same old protectionist trade policies? LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545080]If what you say is true, then it is so strange that they actually taught you that Asian nations are all same, I went to most of them and they all were different in culture, character, political system etc LOL![/QUOTE]My point about Singapore being the most Asian country is that it has the most diverse Asian population out of all Asian countries. Like a melting pot of people from all over Asia. I did not feel like writing an essay. But I agree with you that places around Asia are not similar. Even inside China there are about as many variations as you find within Europe. Also when it comes to pussy.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545082]China actually have very beautiful culture and deep as french and japanese cuisine which are regarded as best in the world, but what happened to China is that Chinese communist party came in and messed everything up and I am one of few Japanese who admit Japan and also UK played big part in laying out the soil for communism to grow in China, but seed was planted by Lenin by soviet and it still have affect in this world we live in, it is like butterfly affect and is crazy LOL![/QUOTE]I agree. Though communists biggest problem is that it came too early. Marx was probably right in that capitalism eventually will lead to Marxism. We are just not there yet. And Chinese culture is great. Why I moved to Singapore. I just don't really like the obedience to leadership as much.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545084] And as for Brazil, it sound promising place to monger too! Only thing Brazil manage to organize well seems to be their Therma brothel LOL![/QUOTE]In South America from what I can tell and some sources I have Colombia is the place to go now. Due to the Venezuela difficulties.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545216]The wise advise that should be on your mind is stick to German FKK LOL![/QUOTE]Well I tend to get my way around the issues in thailand and the Philippines by way of being street smart. So for me that is not an issue personally. But in general it is. FKK is just more convenient for me. Twice a year going to Asia for 5 weeks at a time as I did for 5 years is fun. But can spread it more out when it is the came continent and flights plus jet lag doesn't mean I loose a few days.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545292]Times have changed. It is a fact that in Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, the Philippines, etc.) the Asians keep the best girls for Asians and farang get the fuglies. It is ironic that in Europe (for example, German FKKs), Asians run after the hottest girls and vice versa.[/QUOTE]I have to say though, especially in Philippines that a lot of Americans and Europeans don't really seem to care about looks at all. In that sense my mind is perhaps more Asian than European. Even if not.

Yeah I guess I agree with what you wrote McA. The time spent on schooling is more in Asia. I noticed that first hand in Singapore. But the downside is perhaps that it strengthens the factury mentality of not questioning authority.

Anyway, I have to run now but I did leave one Easter egg here that nobody seems to have picked up on.

Basically what I said about Xinjiang. In reality that is nothing more than a geopolitical scam. It is not a genocide. Just think about it. Western companies moving out of Xinjiang actually means that the local uighurs loose their income. As they were getting paid working for western companies directly or indirectly before this started. So this backfire mechanic itself is proof enough of what a hoax it is. The other proof is those lame cheap satellite photos. But not going to go into that here. Again, authoritative communication practices has fooled you, and it seemed no one here picked up on my little Easter egg.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545292]Times have changed. It is a fact that in Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, the Philippines, etc.) the Asians keep the best girls for Asians and farang get the fuglies. It is ironic that in Europe (for example, German FKKs), Asians run after the hottest girls and vice versa.[/QUOTE]It's not even limited to reserving the best girls only for Asians. For instance, in Japan, even if you are ethnically Asian but not Japanese, venues often still reserve the best girls only for other Japanese.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545292]Times have changed. It is a fact that in Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, the Philippines, etc.) the Asians keep the best girls for Asians and farang get the fuglies. It is ironic that in Europe (for example, German FKKs), Asians run after the hottest girls and vice versa.[/QUOTE]Well what else should men run after, but the hottest girls though? I always make sure I am fucking stunner anywhere I am and I put in insane effort waiting and hunting and fucking for the stunner of stunner anywhere I go which include waiting for really hours in one spot in FKK until the stunner walk out of the changing room to begin her shift, but really someday I wait hours like 11 am till 5 or 6 pm even LOL!

You can get some stunner even you are foreigner in the nation like Philippine, I have friend in Manila, but they are all girls, so I could not ask them for my support to hunt stunner, so I employed local driver / security and they helped me out and it was quite a search, but I managed to find some Eurasian stunner, and I even found half Saudi and half Philippine stunner too! I guess I can see their story how that mixture happened one is the result of American military base and another is working as maid in Saudi Arabia, I presume!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2545279]Individualistic societies in Western Europe sent their young men to war, not that long ago. I would characterize that as self-sacrifice, but perhaps that was a different generation. Any war in the future, would divide nations, resulting in counter-war protests. Not that, that would be a bad thing necessarily.

Individualistic societies place more emphasis on self-esteem. If every child receives a trophy and nobody is honest with them, then everybody grows up thinking they are special or smarter than the experts. According to this article, the self-esteem craze started in 1980's in America and spread to Europe: [URL]https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/self-esteem-is-great-so-long-as-it-is-rooted-in-reality-1.3692374[/URL]..[/QUOTE]So that would put us mongers as secret individualistic society who began to conduct guerrilla warfare on society norm of you can only fuck one aging pussy for rest of men's lives LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544857]This is all very true. I give you that. But more can be done in order to make this happen all over the world. My post was just to illustrate that it is doable even without the context of the strong leader. Subordinate sheep mentality ingrained especially in asian societies. But also more so in USA than in Europe.

To give you one example of how this work in Singapore: If you as a laborer leave work before your boss, you might get fired soon. So workers stay put at their jobs long past the close of the day. If only to play playstation or xbox while at work, because they are done with their normal tasks..[/QUOTE]Norway is fine as they have oil and one of very few or only nation that is normal having oil LOL the problem is middle east nations with oil, most of people do not even work or most of nations are public servant, it is all good now with oil, but once it runs out, they will be even worst situation than Greece where most people were employed by fed that eventually played part to Greece crisis among other reasons, but being employed by fed make nation decline eventually!

Norway has some other industry too, like salmon with uprising of Japanese cuisine as luxury fashionable food around globe, it opened more product diversity for salmon, namely eating salmon raw, so Norway asked technological help to Japan to how to grow farmed salmon that can be eaten raw, and now Norway is biggest producer of farmed salmon and they also have some other industries, not as big as g7 nations, but big enough for their region!

However, what we need in this world is legalization of things that are there anyways like prostitution, some drug etc and tax it and keep them clean, good and safe for all stake holders!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2545384]I agree. Though communists biggest problem is that it came too early. Marx was probably right in that capitalism eventually will lead to Marxism. We are just not there yet. And Chinese culture is great. Why I moved to Singapore. I just don't really like the obedience to leadership as much.[/QUOTE]I would say, if we can combine both to make some hybrid society, it would be desirable, but we human are extreme always, so it has been so far either extreme communism or extreme capitalism which we begin to see the limitation of!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2545383]My point about Singapore being the most Asian country is that it has the most diverse Asian population out of all Asian countries. Like a melting pot of people from all over Asia. I did not feel like writing an essay. But I agree with you that places around Asia are not similar. Even inside China there are about as many variations as you find within Europe. Also when it comes to pussy.[/QUOTE]Right, and it is right next to Malaysia and I liked it, but it was too small for my taste! I did not monger there, but I do not think it is possible there? Or shit!

For mongering, I would stick to Germany and Brazil sound promising though I have not been to Brazil yet!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2545306]Greece, the seat of western civilization, also has great cooking and cuisine. Besides, my favorite mongering upsell service of anal sex or "Greek" is also named after them so. Hahaha! I don't know about Germany being the only nation that other countries can learn something from when it comes to mongering. But, what I do know is that tutes of all nationalities should learn from Brazilian girls about how to please and satisfy the customer. And I don't just mean about anal either. Best BBBJ / CIM mouth I ever had in my life was in Switzerland. Delivered by a Brazilian girl who didn't even do anal LOL![/QUOTE]So Globe served you well after all LOL! I would say good brothel is the safe platform where they promise you security, service, and young beautiful girls of varieties of nationalities and I say globe do that well in exchange of some higher pricing policy of 140 chf, but yeah anal specialist like you may end up paying much more higher price, so that is quite a problem!

I like Greece and they once used to be the central point of civilization, but it is like the saying goes, it is hard to believe Italian now used to be Romans LOL! All nations has up and down, but now G7 nations seems to have strong hold of that position and not willing to let it go! And only strong rival is communist China who is somehow rich communist LOL! I would say former communist turned extreme capitalist grew on stolen technology of the factories G7 nations built in China, so we made them for our own destruction LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545405]It's not even limited to reserving the best girls only for Asians. For instance, in Japan, even if you are ethnically Asian but not Japanese, venues often still reserve the best girls only for other Japanese.[/QUOTE]Bad luck, I always thought to try a real geisha, when really not attracted by manga girls or those making little bird moaning who kill my excitement. So many Asians need to fly from so far, I would not when I don't like to take plane, and must be expensive, for poor Romanians.

Yes, mainly oil / gas, salmon (and some other seafoods) and shipping. Plus some other companies in the chemical sector or IT. Very toxic stuff like aluminum etc. But the shipping families only employs cheap Philippina workers and operate from tax havens. So we are pretty fucked.

Maybe only the British or Russians beats us in unmoralistic tax haven business. Even Trump knows when he blames this Norwegian house in the Cayman Islands:

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3411183/The-building-tax-haven-20-000-firms-call-home-Cayman-Islands-companies-registered-inhabitants.html[/URL]

Oil / gas is like a drug. You get addicted. But I think AI will save us all in the end.

Alternatively, and most likely to the betterment for all of us, we need to stop relying on the lesser intelligent breed of wannabe doctors. And lay all of our trust in the intellect of communication science derived AI.

Actually I was going off the same definition of individualism as you, but I looked it up. Geert Hofstede, who is the most cited European social scientist, provides these definitions for individualism versus collectivism:

[QUOTE]In Individualist societies people are supposed to [b]look after themselves and their direct family only[/b]. In Collectivist societies people belong to in groups that take care of them in exchange for loyalty.
[/QUOTE]Japan is collectivist compared to Italy, but I would argue that Italians have a much closer relationship with elders than Japanese do. For instance, there is a high incidence of Japanese and Swedish dying alone, and not being found for months, sometimes years. With Japanese, the looser family ties may be due to workaholic culture. With Swedish, it is due to their obsession with each individual being autonomous and self-sufficient.

[QUOTE]67 percent of Italians aged between 18-34 live with their parents, the latest figures from statistics agency Eurostat show, a figure almost 20 points higher than the European average. Across Europe as a whole, the proportion of youngsters living at home has seen an overall drop since the 2008 recession. But Italy bucks the trend. And the gap between Italy and the rest of Europe increases among those aged 25-34. Almost 50 percent of Italians in that age bracket still live at home, compared to the 30.6 percent European average.

In Italy families are traditionally very close, and Italian parents are famous for doting on their children at any age.

This may help to explain why young Italians are more likely to live with their parents than youngsters in other countries with high youth unemployment, such as Poland and Hungary for example.

https://www.thelocal.it/20181218/two-thirds-of-young-italians-are-still-living-with-their-parents/
[/QUOTE]Hofstede allows you to select countries: [URL]https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparison/italy,japan,sweden,the-usa/[/URL].

Each country then has it's own tab, and you can read more in-depth comparisons:

[QUOTE]Japan scores 46 on the Individualism dimension. Certainly Japanese society shows many of the characteristics of a collectivistic society: such as putting harmony of group above the expression of individual opinions and people have a strong sense of shame for losing face. However, it is not as collectivistic as most of her Asian neighbours. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545446]Right, and it is right next to Malaysia and I liked it, but it was too small for my taste! I did not monger there, but I do not think it is possible there? Or shit![/QUOTE]In Singapore you find chines girls from pretty much every province in China. Geylang is the main rld with these red light balls hanging down by the entrances of the small houses. Also a few Thai girls can be found in Singapore, but 95% Chinese.

Some of the houses don't use the red balls any longer now from what I hear. But the doors are open and at peak hour you'll see lots of people go 'shopping in and out.

[URL]https://youtu.be/KbwAqtlTN6s[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/I47Bm-Ot0co[/URL]

My posts seem to randomly end up in the wrong thread. Maybe I was just not paying attention.

Anyway, when it comes to Asia, Cambodia or some cities within China are probably on the top of my list. I never tried phnom phem. And I do like Hunan and Sichuan / Chongqing girls. So Changsha and Chongqing / Chengdu might be interesting to sexplore one day.

Also Myanmar I've heard some interesting stuff about.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2545570] And lay all of our trust in the intellect of communication science derived AI.[/QUOTE]This is what happens when you trust entirely an AI:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjatJ36cJvM[/URL]

Doomsday!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2544840]So you might think that having this MMR vaccine prior to covid is a good thing. Well, for one it shows how the link between the programmers of the viruses. [/QUOTE]Yes.

We call this programmer "nature".

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2994117/[/URL]

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3890105/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2545383]My point about Singapore being the most Asian country is that it has the most diverse Asian population out of all Asian countries. Like a melting pot of people from all over Asia. I did not feel like writing an essay. But I agree with you that places around Asia are not similar. Even inside China there are about as many variations as you find within Europe. Also when it comes to pussy.[/QUOTE]Are you joking or what, Singapore is just the same as Switzerland in Europe, for me a terrible place. Sorry for you but I know Asia for at least 20 years and Singapore like HK is not worth the time and the money. I can speak about both places just because I spent there 100+ of business nights, or week end.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545414] another is working as maid in Saudi Arabia, I presume![/QUOTE]I knew a girl in Manila who later tried to work in UAE. She was glad when her 1 year contract ran out. Said it was terrible. Not allowed to leave the house or hotel was the worst part. She showed me a few pictures later of her and her friends. And told me how they were handelled. Even the pay wasn't much better than she got in Philippines. So from what I hear around the world, the UAE and Saudis are the worst when it comes to handling the p6 women anywhere. So I feel a bit sorry for them. Many places around the world it is even considered fine to be trafficked into sex work. Believe it or not. And a lot of women feel it's ok or even better than a lot of other crap normal jobs. I understand that. But the place I really wouldn't join in on is UAE and Saudi Arabia.

When that is said, I do hope that Angie / Barbie from Wellcum really did find a guy in Dubai. And that she just wasn't tricked the same way the pinoy friend of mine claimed she was.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545414]Well what else should men run after, but the hottest girls though? I always make sure I am fucking stunner anywhere I am and I put in insane effort waiting and hunting and fucking for the stunner of stunner anywhere I go which include waiting for really hours in one spot in FKK until the stunner walk out of the changing room to begin her shift, but really someday I wait hours like 11 am till 5 or 6 pm even LOL!

You can get some stunner even you are foreigner in the nation like Philippine, I have friend in Manila, but they are all girls, so I could not ask them for my support to hunt stunner, so I employed local driver / security and they helped me out and it was quite a search, but I managed to find some Eurasian stunner, and I even found half Saudi and half Philippine stunner too! I guess I can see their story how that mixture happened one is the result of American military base and another is working as maid in Saudi Arabia, I presume![/QUOTE]Man you make hunting prostitutes more effort than hunting non pros.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2545306]...what I do know is that tutes of all nationalities should learn from Brazilian girls about how to please and satisfy the customer. And I don't just mean about anal either. Best BBBJ / CIM mouth I ever had in my life was in Switzerland. Delivered by a Brazilian girl who didn't even do anal LOL![/QUOTE]My experience with Brazilian girls is that their focus is not so much pleasing and satisfying the customer as it is pleasing and satisfying themselves. Sometimes I believe that they are enjoying the sex more than me. Heck, they seem to be enjoying giving me BBBJ more than I am receiving it, savoring it as if it is the most delicious lollipop.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545768]Man you make hunting prostitutes more effort than hunting non pros.[/QUOTE]I am very selective, but once I decide I am the fastest, there is no, do you do this or that, I take her to room and good service provided is up to me, but to find the one, I really do take hours sometimes because there are much less stunners now than early 2010's! Sometimes like in nrw, I move few FKK before I find the one I want!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2545738]I knew a girl in Manila who later tried to work in UAE. She was glad when her 1 year contract ran out. Said it was terrible. Not allowed to leave the house or hotel was the worst part. She showed me a few pictures later of her and her friends. And told me how they were handelled. Even the pay wasn't much better than she got in Philippines. So from what I hear around the world, the UAE and Saudis are the worst when it comes to handling the p6 women anywhere. So I feel a bit sorry for them. Many places around the world it is even considered fine to be trafficked into sex work. Believe it or not. And a lot of women feel it's ok or even better than a lot of other crap normal jobs. I understand that. But the place I really wouldn't join in on is UAE and Saudi Arabia.[/QUOTE]I only been to Dubai for holiday and I did not monger there, but it is middle east man, there is less human right there, but there are some other worst places too! These places tend to still have accepted strong class system or something close to it and it is from their culture!

Many maids from south east Asia working in middle east are treated like slaves or something similar and often tortured and raped! I fucked beautiful half Saudi half Filipina girl in manila when I went to monger there, I kind of had an idea how she was born and why she was working in KTV in manila! I think it was not just an unhappy marriage or failed relationship!

I am avid monger, but I try to be conscious of what is going on, not that I shed a tear to the reality of life, but it is good to be aware of things! But I admit that it is these unfortunate side of life that benefit mongers like us in some cases to fuck beautiful girls one after another, we mongers do benefit from others misfortune! I am one of few to admit it! We mongers are merchant of other misfortune on purchase side!

And I know there are some will say, yeah but we are also helping them LOL! Well perspective is funky thing!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545704]Are you joking or what, Singapore is just the same as Switzerland in Europe, for me a terrible place. Sorry for you but I know Asia for at least 20 years and Singapore like HK is not worth the time and the money. I can speak about both places just because I spent there 100+ of business nights, or week end.[/QUOTE]For me, Switzerland is best place in this world, but Singapore was bit boring place for me, but it was good that I went to see it once, I will never return though! I did not monger in Singapore!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2545645]In Singapore you find chines girls from pretty much every province in China. Geylang is the main rld with these red light balls hanging down by the entrances of the small houses. Also a few Thai girls can be found in Singapore, but 95% Chinese.[/QUOTE]You know I never fucked Chinese girls before, I should try once if I find real stunner Chinese girl like in movie or magazine, but considering how big that country is, there must be the beauty there even though Asian girls are not my favorite!

I know there are some KTV in China that supposed to be good, but I guess I need some local help and my friend in China is bit limited comparison to other nations like eastern Europe! But I much prefer eastern European girls anyways LOL!

I went to Beijing once and also I did not monger there, it was interesting to see their culture in Beijing and I like to go back for historical heritages of the city, but not to monger I think! Even though it is dirty etc, I kinda liked Beijing, it must be nice to fuck some stunner Chinese girl, with doggy position looking at her anal and at the same time looking over Beijing city and looking at communist red Chinese flag LOL! Ah globalization is powerful thing LOL LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2545739]When that is said, I do hope that Angie / Barbie from Wellcum really did find a guy in Dubai. And that she just wasn't tricked the same way the pinoy friend of mine claimed she was.[/QUOTE]I know one Romanian girl that worked in Artemis back in early 2010's on instagram and somehow she seems to be living very stable life and I smell a guy behind, so she did find someone in Romania and convinced him that she is normal girl with some money she made doing whatever lies she told the guy, so there seems to be some happy cases let say for now and I hope it continue for her as she was a stunner with no tattoo, tits job but nicely done and was a beauty and still is beauty, so may her rest in happiness that she lead in Romania!

And I know one girl on facebook also Romanian stunner worked in Artemis back in 2010's, and she seems to be going to university for some years now, so I guess there is also rare case that saving cash for university is actually true story!

I am not sure what kind of happiness tute can find in Dubai that is stable, but there are some rare happy cases! Good for them and I am glad I fucked them good at one point in their younger life LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545837]Many maids from south east Asia working in middle east are treated like slaves or something similar and often tortured and raped! I fucked beautiful half Saudi half Filipina girl in manila when I went to monger there, I kind of had an idea how she was born and why she was working in KTV in manila! I think it was not just an unhappy marriage or failed relationship![/QUOTE]I met a half Chinese and half Russian girl in Dubai. Raised by a Chinese mother and had a Russian father. God she was so exotic! Looked every bit Russian, but was Chinese in every other aspect, including language and speech patterns. She was all over me to take her, but I didn't! I don't know why I didn't, but I remember her to this day, and I regret I didn't take her back to my hotel room in Bur Dubai for sexual relations. Sigh!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545704]Are you joking or what, Singapore is just the same as Switzerland in Europe, for me a terrible place. Sorry for you but I know Asia for at least 20 years and Singapore like HK is not worth the time and the money. I can speak about both places just because I spent there 100+ of business nights, or week end.[/QUOTE]I lived there, so I don't see your point.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2545739]When that is said, I do hope that Angie / Barbie from Wellcum really did find a guy in Dubai. And that she just wasn't tricked the same way the pinoy friend of mine claimed she was.[/QUOTE]Real pity, what became Miss what the fuck. When I repeated on August 2018, even not on Lena 2017 level, but when she came to me on August 2019, I think she understood when she saw my eyes, allergic to new plastic. I would have been so happy to find again Mila Marina Slovenia 2018, to see if she remembered and if she followed me again. So great enjoyment to experience how she changed so much in room, and she was wow super sexy. I loved her: they don't deserve and wet eyes killing her eyes make up.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2546015]I met a half Chinese and half Russian girl in Dubai. Raised by a Chinese mother and had a Russian father. God she was so exotic! Looked every bit Russian, but was Chinese in every other aspect, including language and speech patterns. She was all over me to take her, but I didn't! I don't know why I didn't, but I remember her to this day, and I regret I didn't take her back to my hotel room in Bur Dubai for sexual relations. Sigh![/QUOTE]I met an old monger who told me that every dollar not spent on beautiful prostitutes are waste of money, so I kinda took that quote as my code of conduct in mongering trip and I take long time to find the stunner, but when I find one, I be sure to taste her for tasting LOL! Then if she taste good as she looks, then book her the next day for longer session!

As you always said before, there always new stunner walking in as old stunner walks out LOL! So I guess we just have to sit and wait for hours to find the stunner like a sharp shooter LOL!

Yes, Eurasians are so beautiful, they are among my one side of my favorite looks of stunner girls, mixed blood tend to create among most beautiful people! Of course we got this master race mentality beauty of pure blood German blondes that are harder to find nowadays, but I enjoy Eurasians here back home and do the white stunner in Europe! Best of both world! As you say varieties are the spice of life LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545770]My experience with Brazilian girls is that their focus is not so much pleasing and satisfying the customer as it is pleasing and satisfying themselves. Sometimes I believe that they are enjoying the sex more than me. Heck, they seem to be enjoying giving me BBBJ more than I am receiving it, savoring it as if it is the most delicious lollipop.[/QUOTE]That is best kind of session and I had one like that last year and also few times during my mongering life!

Last year experience of mine was more like, she was trying to nail a meaning for herself. I was in globe and as I was walking toward the club from the station by train rail, I saw a beautiful girl walking toward club from the car park, so I was following her behind as I make my way to the club, so I first met her at the reception, she was registering and I checked myself in, and I decided to go with her as I saw her in good lighting of reception and confirmed she was a young stunner! I kept on looking for her in main bar, but did not see her for awhile, so I do what I got to do and went with other stunner, then eventually I saw her again by the sofa by reception when I went to money mini locker, so I walked up to her and asked her still in casual clothes saying are you working today? And she apologize and says no she is not working today she just came today, so that was that! This guy with pony tale is showing her around a bit and was passed onto another lady for show around of the club!

Anyways, as sometime passed, the guy with pony tale came up to me, I think he is the owner of manager, very nice guy, he said she is working today, it is her first day! So I decided to look for her and managed to catch her as she walked in to the floor, and turned out she is not only new to the club, but new to the mongering scene, I heard that before, but I am experienced monger enough not to believe such thing, but with this one after the session I kinda believed it because the session was mind blowing session as if she was doing session to make a meaning for her self, and for just 140 chf for 30 min, everything was included more deeply, like DFK was deeper, rimjob was free and her tongue was in my anal and fucking was so passionate and wild as if she was not just enjoying herself, but make a meaning of the session as I supposed to be the first guy who paid and am not the bad guy beside the hardcore fuck that I want!

So once in awhile mongers come across girl who is extra horny because she is new, she was in bad mood needing to take it out on fucking, good mood so want to fuck or boyfriend pissed her off so need to take it out on fuck with client or on drug or drunk, but whatever reason, we monger get lucky someday like this!

Like they say about life, some you win, some you lose LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545704]Are you joking or what, Singapore is just the same as Switzerland in Europe, for me a terrible place. Sorry for you but I know Asia for at least 20 years and Singapore like HK is not worth the time and the money. I can speak about both places just because I spent there 100+ of business nights, or week end.[/QUOTE]I thought you told you like Switzerland, when their administration disgusted me from there and I won't anymore spend much money there. In Switzerland, 1 day of life worth around 100 CHF, but I would save there more than 10 000 € for each day they stole me, robering also in my car.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2546129]That is best kind of session and I had one like that last year and also few times during my mongering life!

Last year experience of mine was more like, she was trying to nail a meaning for herself. I was in globe and as I was walking toward the club from the station by train rail, I saw a beautiful girl walking toward club from the car park, so I was following her behind as I make my way to the club, so I first met her at the reception, she was registering and I checked myself in, and I decided to go with her as I saw her in good lighting of reception and confirmed she was a young stunner! I kept on looking for her in main bar, but did not see her for awhile, so I do what I got to do and went with other stunner, then eventually I saw her again by the sofa by reception when I went to money mini locker, so I walked up to her and asked her still in casual clothes saying are you working today? And she apologize and says no she is not working today she just came today, so that was that! This guy with pony tale is showing her around a bit and was passed onto another lady for show around of the club!

Anyways, as sometime passed, the guy with pony tale came up to me, I think he is the owner of manager, very nice guy, he said she is working today, it is her first day! So I decided to look for her and managed to catch her as she walked in to the floor, and turned out she is not only new to the club, but new to the mongering scene, I heard that before, but I am experienced monger enough not to believe such thing, but with this one after the session I kinda believed it because the session was mind blowing session as if she was doing session to make a meaning for her self, and for just 140 chf for 30 min, everything was included more deeply, like DFK was deeper, rimjob was free and her tongue was in my anal and fucking was so passionate and wild as if she was not just enjoying herself, but make a meaning of the session as I supposed to be the first guy who paid and am not the bad guy beside the hardcore fuck that I want![/QUOTE]Nice! You remember her name?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2546044]I lived there, so I don't see your point.[/QUOTE]My point is just both countries are very cynical, with a mentality that I don't appreciate a lot (tax paradise). I worked 5 years in Switzerland and I can tell you that the alcoholism is very high, that the pressure on the people is also very high. Yes the mountains are beautiful, Singapore is a city which is not my cup of tea and visiting Orchard Tower (for prostitutes) or the different places the Sunday to meet Filipinas (mostly working as maid) is very common for the expats but was so boring for me.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2546236]My point is just both countries are very cynical, with a mentality that I don't appreciate a lot (tax paradise). I worked 5 years in Switzerland and I can tell you that the alcoholism is very high, that the pressure on the people is also very high. Yes the mountains are beautiful, Singapore is a city which is not my cup of tea and visiting Orchard Tower (for prostitutes) or the different places the Sunday to meet Filipinas (mostly working as maid) is very common for the expats but was so boring for me.[/QUOTE]Unless you were there in the 1980's, nobody in their right mind would ever suggest Orchard Towers unless you want to watch a tranny doing stand up comedy.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2546223]Nice! You remember her name?[/QUOTE]No, sorry man, most of time, I do not remember most working girls names as I do not see the point since I do not live there. But when it comes to Globe, I find Romanians there very promising as far as the looks and service, but that is what that clubs business model supposed to be, higher price, higher looks and service, I am satisfied customer of globe so far and I can point finger here and there, but it is within satisfactory level especially now that foods are mostly free as well! I just hope they make good out door fuck place on the roof top if they can convince the land lord of the building or even better, I hope globe make better business and buy the whole building and turn it into full FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2546236]My point is just both countries are very cynical, with a mentality that I don't appreciate a lot (tax paradise). I worked 5 years in Switzerland and I can tell you that the alcoholism is very high, that the pressure on the people is also very high. Yes the mountains are beautiful, Singapore is a city which is not my cup of tea and visiting Orchard Tower (for prostitutes) or the different places the Sunday to meet Filipinas (mostly working as maid) is very common for the expats but was so boring for me.[/QUOTE]Not just alcoholism in Switzerland, also drug, I lived in Switzerland both Swiss French part and German part and I lived there for all together 8 years and I was there in Zurich when weed was legal for a year or two, and wow I had amazing time smoking up the best weed I bought in amazing weed shop that was legal back then, and going to studio boombastic to fuck some nice swiss stunners that were still available back then (now no Swiss, at least stunners almost works in brothel) and I also did stunner swiss escort while so high smoking up best weed that was legal! So man! What are you complaining about, it is amazing LOL!

It still is so liberal and the country is so capitalistic in a way that they even lowered prostitute legal age to 16 ! Switzerland is built for wealthy and wealthy people are the most fucked up ones who like drugs, alcohol and beautiful prostitutes! Which make the nation so liberal and yeah country itself has beautiful nature too!

As for Singapore, it is amazing for family life, but for mongering even I did not even tried to monger there, I would say stick to German speaking part of the world! Or reportedly Brazil but never been there! But I fucked a lot of nice Brazilian stunners when I was living in swiss French part as most beautiful tutes there were Brazilian!

If you are good boy, swiss is messed up, but if you are hardcore, then swiss is paradise, so liberal and can do many things legally! But watch out on how you drive, it is very strict there with so many cameras! But contrary to what French guy claim here on forum, I always found swiss police to be very nice, but I am polite to them so, maybe that is why!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2546370]Unless you were there in the 1980's, nobody in their right mind would ever suggest Orchard Towers unless you want to watch a tranny doing stand up comedy.[/QUOTE]Are you saying there is no more any bar there where you can meet some young ladies after 10 PM even outside the building in the bars in the back of the towers, let us be a bit serious of course all this is still taking place there. Of course you need to bring them to your hotel, and you need to make a little bit efforts to seduce them, it is not like in a FKK, you put 50 euros on the table and the legs are wide open.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2546651]Are you saying there is no more any bar there where you can meet some young ladies after 10 PM even outside the building in the bars in the back of the towers, let us be a bit serious of course all this is still taking place there. Of course you need to bring them to your hotel, and you need to make a little bit efforts to seduce them, it is not like in a FKK, you put 50 euros on the table and the legs are wide open.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure a man like you get paid sex for free.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2546651]Are you saying there is no more any bar there where you can meet some young ladies after 10 PM even outside the building in the bars in the back of the towers, let us be a bit serious of course all this is still taking place there. Of course you need to bring them to your hotel, and you need to make a little bit efforts to seduce them, it is not like in a FKK, you put 50 euros on the table and the legs are wide open.[/QUOTE]Look, I went there twice. One of the times just to watch a tranny stand up show. The other time just to see how it was and scout. Both times past 22.00. Both times I saw plenty of pinoys wanting to sell services. But not a single one of them were above a 3/10.

It was really interesting to listen to Albanian traffic dealers who were happy I gave them my foods I refused to eat and impressed to see me insulting kantonal polizei at Zurich police prison when they were disappointed to be sent off to Tirana via Belgrad, about their business from NL, then go fast through Germany to Albanian holes on Swiss border, all over Switzerland. Cocaine is for free for WGs in some clubs, when they buy at the bar at Bruggen, to give them energy, this is Switzerland, with corruption behind the beautiful curtain, small as I said to kantonal polizei, but not so green.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2544720]That is wishful thinking and it is possible that we may have what I call walk in girls who is amateur stunner who just walk in for few weeks / months or just for summer to make the end meet for their studies or make money for their entrepreneur business etc, but let us see how it is going to be!

There will be some new girls for sure, it is just cycle of FKK, but the quality is depend on economy, pimp, luck among other variables, I just hope pimp did not quit their business during this lock down![/QUOTE]I had a session in the CeBIT messe times with a couple of amateur girls just making an extra buck during the messe (at the Hannover FKK). Maybe one of the best threesomes I ever had. Sweet, natural girls and a whole lot of fun. I hung around with one of them the rest of the evening, getting BJs everywhere. Epic!

I wouldn't mind some of that.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2546015]I met a half Chinese and half Russian girl in Dubai. Raised by a Chinese mother and had a Russian father. God she was so exotic! Looked every bit Russian, but was Chinese in every other aspect, including language and speech patterns. She was all over me to take her, but I didn't! I don't know why I didn't, but I remember her to this day, and I regret I didn't take her back to my hotel room in Bur Dubai for sexual relations. Sigh![/QUOTE]Yeah, you can find Russian in the most unexpected places. Personnally, russian looks are clearly my favorite. Can tell if a girl is Russian from a mile away (and I will be there in a snap.).

The most unexpected russian pick up I have done was in Thailand of all places. Went to a russian strip joint out of curiosity, and got a private dance from a beautiful tall redhead. She hardly spoke a word of english, but she managed to explain to me that she wanted to meet up after her shift. And I'm like, yeah right. That doesn't happen ever.

But surprise, surprise. She DID show up! So we went for some food and then to my hotel where she fucked my brains out all night and morning, for free.

Unbelievable. As said, that just doesn't happen. But this one time.

Was leaving the next day unfortunately, otherwise that could have developed into more fun I'm sure.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2546855]Yeah, you can find Russian in the most unexpected places. Personnally, russian looks are clearly my favorite. Can tell if a girl is Russian from a mile away (and I will be there in a snap.).

The most unexpected russian pick up I have done was in Thailand of all places. Went to a russian strip joint out of curiosity, and got a private dance from a beautiful tall redhead. She hardly spoke a word of english, but she managed to explain to me that she wanted to meet up after her shift. And I'm like, yeah right. That doesn't happen ever.

But surprise, surprise. She DID show up! So we went for some food and then to my hotel where she fucked my brains out all night and morning, for free.

Unbelievable. As said, that just doesn't happen. But this one time.

Was leaving the next day unfortunately, otherwise that could have developed into more fun I'm sure.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I stopped in on those Russian clubs too in Pattaya and Phuket. You could get takeout, but the tall blonde I liked in Pattaya was going to cost a boatload of cash, so I passed LOL. Was quite happy fucking my Thai Jennifer Anniston look-a-like!

So many claimed Russians in FKK, but most who are not able to speak Russian, when Russian escorts seem so happy when You speak Russian to them, turning most often to more intimate and erotic. I love the sound how they say the while sex, so erotic sound. Now with registration, real Russians or Ukrainians can t work in German FKK, but some in Spain or escorting in Paris where more Ukrainians and less Russians now, not same level for elegance and look care.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2546852]I had a session in the CeBIT messe times with a couple of amateur girls just making an extra buck during the messe (at the Hannover FKK). Maybe one of the best threesomes I ever had. Sweet, natural girls and a whole lot of fun. I hung around with one of them the rest of the evening, getting BJs everywhere. Epic!

I wouldn't mind some of that.[/QUOTE]I had fortune and good luck of being in German FKK during 2010 to let say 2014, I began in Artemis, during those days, I used to find those walk in girls just for summer holiday and wow these girls were so natural stunner, they will be forever missed, but I still find same level with much intense search, but back in those days during 2 weeks stay, I had 3 to 5 stunners everyday in lineup, now if I find two I am so lucky, most day just 1 stunner! But hey, it could be worst, so I got no complaint about that! I guess we monger have to move around several FKK, then it is all still like before!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2546577]Not just alcoholism in Switzerland, also drug, I lived in Switzerland both Swiss French part and German part and I lived there for all together 8 years and I was there in Zurich when weed was legal for a year or two, and wow I had amazing time smoking up the best weed I bought in amazing weed shop that was legal back then, and going to studio boombastic to fuck some nice swiss stunners that were still available back then (now no Swiss, at least stunners almost works in brothel) and I also did stunner swiss escort while so high smoking up best weed that was legal! So man! What are you complaining about, it is amazing LOL!

It still is so liberal and the country is so capitalistic in a way that they even lowered prostitute legal age to 16 ! Switzerland is built for wealthy and wealthy people are the most fucked up ones who like drugs, alcohol and beautiful prostitutes! Which make the nation so liberal and yeah country itself has beautiful nature too!
[/QUOTE]Studies based on wastewater analysis say that 4 Swiss cities are in the top 10 in Europe for cocaine consumption, 3 cities in the top ten for ecstasy. Not much amphetamine and methamphetamine though. They say that the price of a line of cocaine is about the same as going to the cinema. Plenty of stupid money in Switzerland.

Weed possession for personal use up to 10 g is no longer prosecuted (in theory CHF 100 fine) except in some French cantons.

I heard rumors that the owner of Goldentime Bruggen died due to corona.

Does anyone know something about it?

Does someone know Marina? Who has been the CEO of Living and Goldentime?

I believe she worked at Oase in early 2000's and married that guy who now apparently died.

But I am not sure.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2546872]Yeah, I stopped in on those Russian clubs too in Pattaya and Phuket. You could get takeout, but the tall blonde I liked in Pattaya was going to cost a boatload of cash, so I passed LOL. Was quite happy fucking my Thai Jennifer Anniston look-a-like![/QUOTE]How much do they charge for Russian stunner in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2546855]...But surprise, surprise. She DID show up! So we went for some food and then to my hotel where she fucked my brains out all night and morning, for free.....[/QUOTE]That must have been a hulluva expensive meal.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546898]So many claimed Russians in FKK, but most who are not able to speak Russian, when Russian escorts seem so happy when You speak Russian to them, turning most often to more intimate and erotic. I love the sound how they say the while sex, so erotic sound. Now with registration, real Russians or Ukrainians can t work in German FKK, but some in Spain or escorting in Paris where more Ukrainians and less Russians now, not same level for elegance and look care.[/QUOTE]Many Romanians go under cover as Russians in Marbella. Even Russian mafia is 100% fooled. And if anyone can tell a Russian girl from a Romanian, it is Russian mafia.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546942]Studies based on wastewater analysis say that 4 Swiss cities are in the top 10 in Europe for cocaine consumption, 3 cities in the top ten for ecstasy. Not much amphetamine and methamphetamine though. They say that the price of a line of cocaine is about the same as going to the cinema. Plenty of stupid money in Switzerland.

Weed possession for personal use up to 10 g is no longer prosecuted (in theory CHF 100 fine) except in some French cantons.[/QUOTE]When you are put in jail for 20 km / h overspeed but less than 120 km / h on autobahn with no alcohol nor drug of course, but yes, drug is part of business in Switzerland. I prefer puff.

[QUOTE=Toto001;2547017]I heard rumors that the owner of Goldentime Bruggen died due to corona.

Does anyone know something about it?

Does someone know Marina? Who has been the CEO of Living and Goldentime?

I believe she worked at Oase in early 2000's and married that guy who now apparently died.

But I am not sure.[/QUOTE]Everybody visiting GT know blond Marina, I knew she was ex WG but no wow to go with even when younger, when I also never went with Heidi. Cz who became really lovely Monika on LR desk. Most of girls on brothels desk are ex WGs. Can only wish your information is wrong, even so many deaths in Germany, when he was seen at LR on end of last year, even GT remained closed. Some told they bought Vertigo, where more beautiful garden than GT.

[QUOTE=Toto001;2547017]I heard rumors that the owner of Goldentime Bruggen died due to corona.

Does anyone know something about it?

Does someone know Marina? Who has been the CEO of Living and Goldentime?

I believe she worked at Oase in early 2000's and married that guy who now apparently died.

But I am not sure.[/QUOTE]I do not know the exact circumstances but I was also informed that the owner of GT / LR passed away.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547094]When you are put in jail for 20 km / h overspeed but less than 120 km / h on autobahn with no alcohol nor drug of course, but yes, drug is part of business in Switzerland. I prefer puff.[/QUOTE]Ah, so you admit you were speeding?

Also, depends where you are speeding and by how much: [URL]https://en.comparis.ch/autoversicherung/recht-gesetz/aktuelles/bussen[/URL].

Always drive safely, public roads are not for racing.

[QUOTE=RayPurchase;2547134]I do not know the exact circumstances but I was also informed that the owner of GT / LR passed away.[/QUOTE]I read it on IJS. No idea what happened, no idea if it's true. Maybe the admin confirmed, I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2547082]Many Romanians go under cover as Russians in Marbella. Even Russian mafia is 100% fooled. And if anyone can tell a Russian girl from a Romanian, it is Russian mafia.[/QUOTE]Haha, just like with tits. Some say say there is no such things as fake tits. If you can touch them, they are real.

I wouldn't mind if girls pretend to be Russian as long as they look the part. But then there is the argument about the attitude, where I most definately will say that in my experience, russian girls have much better attitude and service compared to romanians.

One of the best I ever met was in Hannover. Stunner blond from Omsk. Think I sessioned 3 if not 4 times that evening with her, she was hot as hell. She told me she went by the name of Janice, Jannet of something similar and normally worked in Dolce vita in Dusseldorf. Never found her again, although I was looking.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2547021]How much do they charge for Russian stunner in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]It's been so long since I've been there that I forgot. If you have more than a passing interest, it would be better to ask in an appropriate Thailand thread. Or perhaps to PM a monger with deep expertise in Thailand.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2547183]It's been so long since I've been there that I forgot. If you have more than a passing interest, it would be better to ask in an appropriate Thailand thread. Or perhaps to PM a monger with deep expertise in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Just wonder how strong of a arbitrage there is!

It is amazing that in Germany stunners are offered for 50 euro per 30 min! It still amaze me to this day!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546942]Studies based on wastewater analysis say that 4 Swiss cities are in the top 10 in Europe for cocaine consumption, 3 cities in the top ten for ecstasy. Not much amphetamine and methamphetamine though. They say that the price of a line of cocaine is about the same as going to the cinema. Plenty of stupid money in Switzerland.

Weed possession for personal use up to 10 g is no longer prosecuted (in theory CHF 100 fine) except in some French cantons.[/QUOTE]I used to go out a lot in Zurich, Genève and Lausanne during my teenage years, I saw a lot of that, but never felt unsafe or had any racial issues toward me, personally, I find swiss to be most international cities when it comes to acceptance to others in Europe even, but yeah if you are talking some country side people there, some of them may be quite hard headed due to ignorance!

Drugs can be good thing for some, but for most it goes out of control, but in Switzerland I never see it as threatening the safety of the nation!

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2547170]Haha, just like with tits. Some say say there is no such things as fake tits. If you can touch them, they are real.

I wouldn't mind if girls pretend to be Russian as long as they look the part. But then there is the argument about the attitude, where I most definately will say that in my experience, russian girls have much better attitude and service compared to romanians.

One of the best I ever met was in Hannover. Stunner blond from Omsk. Think I sessioned 3 if not 4 times that evening with her, she was hot as hell. She told me she went by the name of Janice, Jannet of something similar and normally worked in Dolce vita in Dusseldorf. Never found her again, although I was looking.[/QUOTE]You can do it through bottom of tits, or through under arm pit, and under arm pit one is most well done, but more painful apparently till the sillicone settle! But yeah, I much prefer small beautiful tits with beautiful nipple than fake big tits! I like natural beauty!

Usually, they begin natural beauty and as years goes by, they do surgery to look like porn star look, it is not my thing, but with some of them I still keep them on but most begin with 9, but degrade them selves to 7 by surgeries!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2547082]Many Romanians go under cover as Russians in Marbella. Even Russian mafia is 100% fooled. And if anyone can tell a Russian girl from a Romanian, it is Russian mafia.[/QUOTE]I learned to know Romanian girls in FKK land, when I was told so bad about them by claimed experts when I started, but maybe some of these guys just should have looked at themselves in mirror. I was lucky to find some great Romanians for me, meeting some for 5/6 years, 2 in 3 different clubs in different countries, had 6 for more than 30 hours. From my experience, I rank them on higher level than German WGs, Romanians are more interesting women and with better care and hygiene for me. I also rank them on higher level than Ukrainians now escorting in Paris, on same level than Russians I love and sweet Russian Latvians. Romanians make cheap rate in Germany. Switzerland is different because Swiss think this is good because this is expensive. Globe is more crowded than less expensive BITCCI clubs where more natural looks looking more like real women.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2547143]Ah, so you admit you were speeding?

Also, depends where you are speeding and by how much: [URL]https://en.comparis.ch/autoversicherung/recht-gesetz/aktuelles/bussen[/URL].

Always drive safely, public roads are not for racing.[/QUOTE]In countries respecting human rights, you are innocent as long no proof ou are guilty, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland, so my car might overspeed on its own, or You could drive it, like some carbon light bicycle may be able to climb alone. So, according to human rights, Switzerland put in jail a innocent and I'm fully sure I'm not the only one. When limit is 120 for snails in expensive powerful cars, my cars were never flashed over 120 and only on autobahns, where some parts are limited to 100, or even 80 , maybe could be flashed on my alloy bicycle. But Switzerland seem to prefer drugs business, how many deaths and going to hospital from drugs in Switzerland? When I was never involved in any crash in Switzerland, nor Germany on full speed and going to grip limit, when I used to drive more kilometers in Germany than average for Germans. Swiss administration also robbering French material in my car, making messe, and liars, trying everything to make You pay, even they have no proof. Speed and maximum attack make adrenaline, not to fall asleep which is important cause for accidents on autobahns.

Not many stunners in the Russian gogo's in Pattaya. In 3 visits after they started arriving en masse around 2012, I just spotted one Russian I wanted to go with. But 7500 bath. This was back in 2013 or 2014, so I bet prices have changed. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] One of whom I used to fuck weightless in a swimming pool raw while doing chin ups holding some old Thai statues mouth that went over the pool. Other house had a large stone dick you could hold on as well. Airbnb is just that type of service!

What annoyed me the most regarding these Russians in Pattaya was how they seemed to be desperate for business. I couldn't even look at them before they basically started [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] me, and then demanding some drink. Actually one girl I looked at for a microsecond when she was dancing. Then she jumped on my lap, started raping me and asked the bartender for a drink. 600 bath. I just told the girl I liked there how I felt about it and left. Didn't pay for the silly lady drink at all. Never met a more rude woman ever than that dancer. Too bad considering the pretty one was so much nicer.

If you want a Russian in Pattaya, you'll have more luck at the disco behind the pier where the boats go out to Koh Lan. Tourists.

Name of the disco is Mixx.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2547230]You can do it through bottom of tits, or through under arm pit, and under arm pit one is most well done, but more painful apparently till the sillicone settle! But yeah, I much prefer small beautiful tits with beautiful nipple than fake big tits! I like natural beauty![/QUOTE]Very debatable. I took a brief interest in reconstructive surgery and what I learned was that the inframmatory crease approach (underneath) is still the preferred approach by most surgeons for various reasons. In the transaxially approach (armpit), it is more difficult to place the implant in the desired location of the breast pocket and even harder to achieve perfect symmetry. Also, the position of the patient's arm using this approach adds a variable in determining the the final position of the implant because the movement of connective tissue when raising the arm makes it more difficult to predict the final result. There are also limitations to size and choice of saline versus silicone. Most surgeons actually avoid using silicone in the transaxillary approach unless it is a small implant. Loss of nipple sensitivity is also more prevalent due to the higher degree of innervation at the armpit.

Basically, the only pro of the armpit approach is the lack of visible scarring at the breast site. For all other purposes, the tradition approach still provides on average, the best result in the average patient. Easier to place the implant and thus easier to manipulate the implant into in the optimal location and thus a more natural aesthetic. More freedom in choice of silicone versus saline (silicone feels more natural). Less risk to loss of sensation, optimal for the patient. The surgery itself is more simple with a lower risk of infection and excessive bleeding during the procedure.

From my limited experience, the times where the armpit approach is more desirable is with a thin patient with already somewhat full breasts just looking to add a modest amount of volume. Basically, this approach often advertises the best results because you must select for patients who already have a nice aesthetic and only want a minor enhancement.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2547230]You can do it through bottom of tits, or through under arm pit, and under arm pit one is most well done, but more painful apparently till the sillicone settle! But yeah, I much prefer small beautiful tits with beautiful nipple than fake big tits! I like natural beauty!

Usually, they begin natural beauty and as years goes by, they do surgery to look like porn star look, it is not my thing, but with some of them I still keep them on but most begin with 9, but degrade them selves to 7 by surgeries![/QUOTE]I'm not a fan of siily cones. Don't like the look, don't like the touch. Often weirdly shaped or sitting too low. Pornstar look is a turnoff too.

So fully agree with you, will pick small tits over sillies any day.

It seems German FKK is still long waiting until they are fukky operational.

What about going the Prague insted.

It seems the privates already open.

Example I just see this schedule of well kwown privates in Prague.

[URL]http://www.mazlivestudentky.cz/en/calendar[/URL]

[URL]http://www.topprivat.cz/en/smeny[/URL]

Is it just an automatic rescheduling or it is real that Prague open for business now??

Dear friends,

I used to post here as Jnpr30. I discontinued my account a few years ago, although my posts are still here under various threads (w / o my handle). I am writing to check everyone is OK. I have not posted since 2018 I think, and see many new names here. I checked a couple of threads and I saw a few I recognize: such as Pistons, Chongmal, my good friend Sirioja, Mr. Cane, Turgid and others. Glad to see you are all well. I hope a few others I did not see (Syzygies, McAdonis, Tank Tank, Optimist, PussyLicker, Bitumen, Kosher Kowboy, Hessen Bub, Craiova, Pay For It, and many others I am sure I am forgetting, my apologies) are doing well and safe and healthy.

My good friend Uncle Ox posted one of my trip reports on my behalf in 2019, as I had disconnected my login by then but I still had the itch to write a report and Uncle Ox was kind enough to post it for me. My sincere thanks to Uncle Ox. I also want to express my thanks to Mr Optimist for writing to Uncle Ox and inquiring about me! Very kind.

I check once in a while with my good friend BadIn. Glad to say he is well.

Anyway, I did not want to take up your time. My last visit to the clubs was in late 2019, and it was good but somehow was one of my least pleasurable ones. Very few of my favorites had remained at Sharks (Magda, Xenia, a few more come to mind). Little did I know that was to be my last visit for a long time to come or else I would have made a stronger effort to be in the moment and enjoy myself. However, as they say, hindsight is 20/20.

Cheers and stay safe. Don't intend to post too much and in any case, I have no useful info to post at the moment.

P.S: I am now fully vaccinated. Thankfully, my state has opened up. I wish all the best to our German hosts and hope the clubs can open relatively soon.

PPS: Bitumen. If you read this comment, please text me.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2547425]Not many stunners in the Russian gogo's in Pattaya. In 3 visits after they started arriving en masse around 2012, I just spotted one Russian I wanted to go with. But 7500 bath. This was back in 2013 or 2014, so I bet prices have changed.
What annoyed me the most regarding these Russians in Pattaya was how they seemed to be desperate for business. I couldn't even look at them before they basically startedand then demanding some drink. Actually one girl I looked at for a microsecond when she was dancing. Then she jumped on my lap, started raping me and asked the bartender for a drink. 600 bath. I just told the girl I liked there how I felt about it and left. Didn't pay for the silly lady drink at all. Never met a more rude woman ever than that dancer. Too bad considering the pretty one was so much nicer.

If you want a Russian in Pattaya, you'll have more luck at the disco behind the pier where the boats go out to Koh Lan. Tourists.[/QUOTE]Well a lot of those operations in Pattaya are controlled by Russian mafia, so I guess these girls conditions are not as soft as FKK girls in Germany!

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2547503]I'm not a fan of siily cones. Don't like the look, don't like the touch. Often weirdly shaped or sitting too low. Pornstar look is a turnoff too.

So fully agree with you, will pick small tits over sillies any day.[/QUOTE]But these small beautiful tits turns into silly as time advances in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547453]Very debatable. I took a brief interest in reconstructive surgery and what I learned was that the inframmatory crease approach (underneath) is still the preferred approach by most surgeons for various reasons. In the transaxially approach (armpit), it is more difficult to place the implant in the desired location of the breast pocket and even harder to achieve perfect symmetry. Also, the position of the patient's arm using this approach adds a variable in determining the the final position of the implant because the movement of connective tissue when raising the arm makes it more difficult to predict the final result. There are also limitations to size and choice of saline versus silicone. Most surgeons actually avoid using silicone in the transaxillary approach unless it is a small implant. Loss of nipple sensitivity is also more prevalent due to the higher degree of innervation at the armpit.

Basically, the only pro of the armpit approach is the lack of visible scarring at the breast site. For all other purposes, the tradition approach still provides on average, the best result in the average patient. Easier to place the implant and thus easier to manipulate the implant into in the optimal location and thus a more natural aesthetic. More freedom in choice of silicone versus saline (silicone feels more natural). Less risk to loss of sensation, optimal for the patient. The surgery itself is more simple with a lower risk of infection and excessive bleeding during the procedure.

From my limited experience, the times where the armpit approach is more desirable is with a thin patient with already somewhat full breasts just looking to add a modest amount of volume. Basically, this approach often advertises the best results because you must select for patients who already have a nice aesthetic and only want a minor enhancement.[/QUOTE]I had chat with a girl in club about it and she told me one through armpit is more painful one that need more resting period after, well either way, I do not know why these girls do this crazy thing!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545841]You know I never fucked Chinese girls before, I should try once if I find real stunner Chinese girl like in movie or magazine, but considering how big that country is, there must be the beauty there even though Asian girls are not my favorite![/QUOTE]You seem to not like pure Asian women. Uyghurs have a mixed look. Dilraba, one of the most famous actresses in China, is widely considered to be an example of Uyghur beauty: [URL]https://www.instagram.com/dear_dlrb/?hl=en[/URL].

Never heard of Uyghur WG, but I I have heard from guys who mongered in Dubai that there are many Uzbek WGs, so I believe they would have a similar Central Asian look.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2547504]It seems German FKK is still long waiting until they are fukky operational.

What about going the Prague insted.

It seems the privates already open.

Example I just see this schedule of well kwown privates in Prague.

[URL]http://www.mazlivestudentky.cz/en/calendar[/URL]

[URL]http://www.topprivat.cz/en/smeny[/URL]

Is it just an automatic rescheduling or it is real that Prague open for business now??[/QUOTE]Those places has line up that is way below German FKK though, no other better places in Prague?

As far as I know, there is no places that has better line up as FKK set up in Europe because with FKK set up, we can see tons of girls and the club has to attract male clients so that they can make entry money, if girls are not good, we won't risk to pay entry!

[QUOTE=Juniper30;2547515]Dear friends,

I used to post here as Jnpr30. I discontinued my account a few years ago, although my posts are still here under various threads (w / o my handle). I am writing to check everyone is OK. I have not posted since 2018 I think, and see many new names here. I checked a couple of threads and I saw a few I recognize: such as Pistons, Chongmal, my good friend Sirioja, Mr. Cane, Turgid and others. Glad to see you are all well. I hope a few others I did not see (Syzygies, McAdonis, Tank Tank, Optimist, PussyLicker, Bitumen, Kosher Kowboy, Hessen Bub, Craiova, Pay For It, and many others I am sure I am forgetting, my apologies) are doing well and safe and healthy.

My good friend Uncle Ox posted one of my trip reports on my behalf in 2019, as I had disconnected my login by then but I still had the itch to write a report and Uncle Ox was kind enough to post it for me. My sincere thanks to Uncle Ox. I also want to express my thanks to Mr Optimist for writing to Uncle Ox and inquiring about me! Very kind..[/QUOTE]Welcome back! I remember your forum posts and I'm glad you are fully vaccinated now. We should not worry about the time lost to Covid, we will be back stronger and we will make up for the time lost!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2547504]It seems German FKK is still long waiting until they are fukky operational.

What about going the Prague insted.

It seems the privates already open.

Example I just see this schedule of well kwown privates in Prague.

[URL]http://www.mazlivestudentky.cz/en/calendar[/URL]

[URL]http://www.topprivat.cz/en/smeny[/URL]

Is it just an automatic rescheduling or it is real that Prague open for business now??[/QUOTE]That's right, the FKKs still are not "fukky operational" LMAO! And in my view, the Czech Republic is not a good substitute for Germany. That was true even during normal times. I would just rather wait for the best.

[QUOTE=Juniper30;2547515]Dear friends,

I used to post here as Jnpr30. I discontinued my account a few years ago, although my posts are still here under various threads (w / o my handle). I am writing to check everyone is OK. I have not posted since 2018 I think, and see many new names here. I checked a couple of threads and I saw a few I recognize: such as Pistons, Chongmal, my good friend Sirioja, Mr. Cane, Turgid and others. Glad to see you are all well. I hope a few others I did not see (Syzygies, McAdonis, Tank Tank, Optimist, PussyLicker, Bitumen, Kosher Kowboy, Hessen Bub, Craiova, Pay For It, and many others I am sure I am forgetting, my apologies) are doing well and safe and healthy.

My good friend Uncle Ox posted one of my trip reports on my behalf in 2019, as I had disconnected my login by then but I still had the itch to write a report and Uncle Ox was kind enough to post it for me. My sincere thanks to Uncle Ox. I also want to express my thanks to Mr Optimist for writing to Uncle Ox and inquiring about me! Very kind.

I check once in a while with my good friend BadIn. Glad to say he is well..[/QUOTE]Lovely Bulgarian princess with her so beautiful smile, Aylice is really missing for quality at Sharks, even so bad for new silicon. Woman type like Agnes. Pol is also missing. Better to be patient for German reopening, when reopened for about 2 months on last Autumn. Some clubs are now open in Switzerland.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2547503]I'm not a fan of siily cones. Don't like the look, don't like the touch. Often weirdly shaped or sitting too low. Pornstar look is a turnoff too.

So fully agree with you, will pick small tits over sillies any day.[/QUOTE]I also fully prefer flesh, even falling because of Newton or baby, rather than plastic, and some girls like Roxana Sharks think they will get better business with silicon when they usually lose many regulars, when she really didn't need, I also stopped with Aylice. Bu Sharks after silicon, but some girls have real complex and feel more woman with increased size, usually these ones don t choose porn size but just a bit bigger, A cup to B cup. Can also be useful to repair, I experienced what is traumatism for a woman when being put off one breast, unfortunately she didn't have enough time to be repaired with silicon, but tits are so important for women, a bit like dick for us, many guys have dick complex, many women have breasts complex, kind of woman image in mirror, and I know if she had been more lucky, she could have never lived without silicon reparation, she would have never felt woman without, whatever we could say to her. But I m not attracted by porn size. My best FKK girl made me laugh needing to put on push up, when her A cup were just perfect, at least won t fall, and tasty.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2547621]Those places has line up that is way below German FKK though, no other better places in Prague?

As far as I know, there is no places that has better line up as FKK set up in Europe because with FKK set up, we can see tons of girls and the club has to attract male clients so that they can make entry money, if girls are not good, we won't risk to pay entry![/QUOTE]

The links I have provided is just to show that Prague opens for business now.

Moravian girls are well known for their beauties. Let alone if it is just compared to Romanian girls. But of course the size of FKK and the set will make it easier to get more stunners in one roof.

There are some Privates, clubs are offering girls comparable of even better than German FKK. But it will need a desk and leg work. It is good to wacth the Czech / Prague sub forum.

This example of the girls you will be getting at show park. In the past, many of the world most beautiful porn stars come from this country.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2547780]Moravian girls are well known for their beauties. Let alone if it is just compared to Romanian girls. But of course the size of FKK and the set will make it easier to get more stunners in one roof.

There are some Privates, clubs are offering girls comparable of even better than German FKK. But it will need a desk and leg work. It good to wacth the Czech / Prague sub forum.

This example of the girls you will be getting at show park.[/QUOTE]I went to Showpark and saw very few girls of that quality, and performance was subpar generally speaking compared to what I usually get at an FKK. I can't imagine it's any better now during these pandemic times. Indeed, I would expect the overall scene to be worse. Even FiddyCent, one of the biggest supporters of the Prague scene, admitted to me that things had really fallen off there. And that was before the pandemic. Not trying to be a party pooper. Just trying to keep it real!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2547707]That's right, the FKKs still are not "fukky operational" LMAO! And in my view, the Czech Republic is not a good substitute for Germany. That was true even during normal times. I would just rather wait for the best.[/QUOTE]Kissing is not standard in Prague. No good sex without good kissing for me and I don't care about virus and mutants. I kept on on last year when clubs reopened.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2547780]The links I have provided is just to show that Prague opens for business now.

Moravian girls are well known for their beauties. Let alone if it is just compared to Romanian girls. But of course the size of FKK and the set will make it easier to get more stunners in one roof.

There are some Privates, clubs are offering girls comparable of even better than German FKK. But it will need a desk and leg work. It is good to wacth the Czech / Prague sub forum.

This example of the girls you will be getting at show park. In the past, many of the world most beautiful porn stars come from this country.[/QUOTE]That is the key Adindas. You would need a desk and lots of leg work to find the girls in Prague, but the payoff in the end is worth it. It is so much easier to go to a FKK and have girls come up to you, but if you really want that mind blowing experience, you do need to find the right girl in Prague. Girls do not openly advertise, as they wish to remain anonymous for the most part. That is where you will find the true gems. I am certain there will be more girls offering, as their incomes have taken a hit due to the pandemic and I don't think any of the FKKs are open at the moment. Good luck in your search.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547793]Kissing is not standard in Prague. No good sex without good kissing for me and I don't care about virus and mutants. I kept on on last year when clubs reopened.[/QUOTE]I would agree that kissing is not standard in Prague. The prices are 2000 CZK base rate and 500 CZK for kissing. (77 Euros + 20 Euros) per hour. Let's call it an even 100 Euros per hour. Is that not better than FKK prices, not factoring admission into the club? Price aside, there are better add ONS you can pay for. Right now, some girls at some FKKs are charging 100 Euros for a basic suck and fuck for 30 minutes and service is shit. YMMV as always.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2547784]I went to Showpark and saw very few girls of that quality, and performance was subpar generally speaking compared to what I usually get at an FKK. I can't imagine it's any better now during these pandemic times. Indeed, I would expect the overall scene to be worse. Even FiddyCent, one of the biggest supporters of the Prague scene, admitted to me that things had really fallen off there. And that was before the pandemic. Not trying to be a party pooper. Just trying to keep it real![/QUOTE]Same experience in 2017. It seems that Prague is better suited for the stag party scene rather than for mongers looking for a desirable hardcore locale for the hobby. I remember reading FiddyCent's reports back then saying that the scene had already dwindled a bit.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2547810]I would agree that kissing is not standard in Prague. The prices are 2000 CZK base rate and 500 CZK for kissing. (77 Euros + 20 Euros) per hour. Let's call it an even 100 Euros per hour. Is that not better than FKK prices, not factoring admission into the club? Price aside, there are better add ONS you can pay for. Right now, some girls at some FKKs are charging 100 Euros for a basic suck and fuck for 30 minutes and service is shit. YMMV as always.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]I met a really sexy Romanian at Amesia Zurich, she told me she worked in CZ for years and kissinng or BBBJ are not standard there, she didn't even provide there, had to work a bit with her, so I had to propose her to extend our time. At the end of the room, when we have to pay before room at Amesia, she kissed me and returned to give back key to desk, so I did let her go and had to follow her to desk to tell her I had to pay for extended time, she forgot, girl on desk smiled, I like situations like this.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2547794]That is the key Adindas. You would need a desk and lots of leg work to find the girls in Prague, but the payoff in the end is worth it. It is so much easier to go to a FKK and have girls come up to you, but if you really want that mind blowing experience, you do need to find the right girl in Prague. Girls do not openly advertise, as they wish to remain anonymous for the most part. That is where you will find the true gems. I am certain there will be more girls offering, as their incomes have taken a hit due to the pandemic and I don't think any of the FKKs are open at the moment. Good luck in your search.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Man, you sound like the rapper 50 cent, not Fiddycent, sharing is caring hommie, but no caring is the hood hommie LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2547780]The links I have provided is just to show that Prague opens for business now.

Moravian girls are well known for their beauties. Let alone if it is just compared to Romanian girls. But of course the size of FKK and the set will make it easier to get more stunners in one roof.

There are some Privates, clubs are offering girls comparable of even better than German FKK. But it will need a desk and leg work. It is good to wacth the Czech / Prague sub forum.

This example of the girls you will be getting at show park. In the past, many of the world most beautiful porn stars come from this country.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the phoeos, but I cannot enlarge the photos due to discriminated restrictions put on by Admin, so there could be nice girls then, but it is so hard to find stunner levels in other places other than FKK set up in Europe!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547820]Same experience in 2017. It seems that Prague is better suited for the stag party scene rather than for mongers looking for a desirable hardcore locale for the hobby. I remember reading FiddyCent's reports back then saying that the scene had already dwindled a bit.[/QUOTE]The stag party scene is alive and well in Prague. As I have pointed out, there is not the luxury of having well established FKKs in Prague. There is only one similar operation, and that place is not very good. Many of the clubs have closed, so it is not even a comparable to Germany. What I advocate are the privats. If a person is willing to do the ground work and study the Czech forums, you can find providers that offer better service than any of the girls at a FKK. Good girls are there and provide more than the mechanical service of the FKK girls and at prices that are cheaper than FKKs. No sharkiness, but YMMV. To give you an example, a girl would go past the allotted time to make sure that I came in her mouth, and not stop after 10 minutes of BBBJ to say "Feeenish!" "Why you not feenish?

The number of girls are down, but the ones that are providing may be suffering from lack of business due to the pandemic. These girls still need money and will be willing to do almost anything to pleasure their clients. Play your cards right and you will have an unforgettable experience with a beautiful girl.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547860]I met a really sexy Romanian at Amesia Zurich, she told me she worked in CZ for years and kissinng or BBBJ are not standard there, she didn't even provide there, had to work a bit with her, so I had to propose her to extend our time. At the end of the room, when we have to pay before room at Amesia, she kissed me and returned to give back key to desk, so I did let her go and had to follow her to desk to tell her I had to pay for extended time, she forgot, girl on desk smiled, I like situations like this.[/QUOTE]For the record Sirioja, I have never been refused kissing by any girl at a FKK, including Romanian girls. It is just in the recent past that the girls try to extort an extra 50 Euros for it. Part of the problem was the rates have stayed stagnant in Germany. My prediction is that after the pandemic, the girls will be demanding even more that 100 Euros for a 30 minute session. Although, I am not familiar with your Romanian girl working in the Zurich club, I do know the type. For this girl not to offer kissing in CZ, but was willing to give you a kiss upon agreement to extend the session, speaks highly of your mongering prowess. I can assure you that if you offer a Czech girl more than the 1500 - 2000 CZK base rate and add the BBBJ supplement for 500 CZK, the anal supplement of 1000 CZK, and the CIM to swallow supplement of 1000 CZK, the girl will be certain to give you more than a kiss. You can do the math yourself. If you meet your Romanian girl again, I would be curious to know where she worked in Prague and if you could have booked her for a longer period? Most escorts of that class will have a 3 hour rate and a pro-rated overnight rate. If that girl doesn't even kiss, rest assured she will get a bad review and will be out of business in short order. There is no coincidence that many of the top European pornstars originate from the CZ. To each his own.

FiddyCent.

Roughly 16 months in sex prison USA! Got my shots, but it is a total fuckup getting to Europe, perversely asking to test negative for antibodies that is the reverse of vaccines intended outcome. Looks like travel this year is fucked up thanks to EU bureaucrats. If they were mongers, this would solved fast. Maybe FKK will go to ships like off the coast of Cannes in 1996 with Hot d'Or I enclose a pic of. A lot of hot orgies and movies, maybe that will be the evolution. Either way, some hot women in that series, all holes filled and plenty of seaman running and hands on the mast. I kind of like the KINO scene in the clubs. So outrageous. SO FUN !

Makes me wonder. Seriously - if this is a convenient excuse to make modern monetary theory (MMT) de jure of what was de facto since about 2009. All those pretty girls being deprived of income, clubs shut, mental anxiety world wide, really bad impact on tourism, hotels, airlines and most service industries. How is viagra sales? Up or down (ha ha) ? 'm walking around with a fence post thinking of the clubs and girls I had the pleasure of kissing and their little delicate, soft feminine fingers holding my balls. Such a tragedy. I am however grateful I got a solid decade of clubs in during the prime years of life.

Any ideas?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2547887]Man, you sound like the rapper 50 cent, not Fiddycent, sharing is caring hommie, but no caring is the hood hommie LOL![/QUOTE]That's right Mr. Ho! I rap to a different beat. My sharing is well documented on the Prague forums, if you care to look. There was once a time when you would walk into a Czech club and not know which girl to choose first. Now it has become more difficult, but not impossible. Remember, there is always a girl that turns 18 and goes to University in Prague. You just need to find them, for when the wind blows they may be gone before you know it. Don't just expect to walk into a Candy Shop and find them. No, you need to spend some time and effort. I like gold mining, don't you? The fun is in the hunt!

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2547908]Roughly 16 months in sex prison USA! Got my shots, but it is a total fuckup getting to Europe, perversely asking to test negative for antibodies that is the reverse of vaccines intended outcome. Looks like travel this year is fucked up thanks to EU bureaucrats. If they were mongers, this would solved fast. Maybe FKK will go to ships like off the coast of Cannes in 1996 with Hot d'Or I enclose a pic of. A lot of hot orgies and movies, maybe that will be the evolution. Either way, some hot women in that series, all holes filled and plenty of seaman running and hands on the mast. I kind of like the KINO scene in the clubs. So outrageous. SO FUN !

Makes me wonder. Seriously - if this is a convenient excuse to make modern monetary theory (MMT) de jure of what was de facto since about 2009. All those pretty girls being deprived of income, clubs shut, mental anxiety world wide, really bad impact on tourism, hotels, airlines and most service industries. How is viagra sales? Up or down (ha ha) ? 'm walking around with a fence post thinking of the clubs and girls I had the pleasure of kissing and their little delicate, soft feminine fingers holding my balls. Such a tragedy. I am however grateful I got a solid decade of clubs in during the prime years of life.[/QUOTE]Any ideas, use your right hand or masturbation hole with gel to improvise LOL! Remember, the situation monger is in right now is kind of like a Guerrilla warfare, so use any means necessarily to survive LOL!

Unlike Berlin 1945, Germany has not fallen and the world capital will rise again, maybe with new owners to our sanctuary, but FKK in Germany will return!

However, decade of full FKK is my situation as well and somehow, I feel very ease and am in deep sense of satisfaction that I have been there and I did it to the fullest! As long as we survive, our days as it once was will return and we will get to promise land once again where heaven is promised with just 50 euro per 30 min LOL!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2547908]Roughly 16 months in sex prison USA! Got my shots, but it is a total fuckup getting to Europe, perversely asking to test negative for antibodies that is the reverse of vaccines intended outcome. Looks like travel this year is fucked up thanks to EU bureaucrats. If they were mongers, this would solved fast. Maybe FKK will go to ships like off the coast of Cannes in 1996 with Hot d'Or I enclose a pic of. A lot of hot orgies and movies, maybe that will be the evolution. Either way, some hot women in that series, all holes filled and plenty of seaman running and hands on the mast. I kind of like the KINO scene in the clubs. So outrageous. SO FUN !

Makes me wonder. Seriously - if this is a convenient excuse to make modern monetary theory (MMT) de jure of what was de facto since about 2009. All those pretty girls being deprived of income, clubs shut, mental anxiety world wide, really bad impact on tourism, hotels, airlines and most service industries. How is viagra sales? Up or down (ha ha) ? 'm walking around with a fence post thinking of the clubs and girls I had the pleasure of kissing and their little delicate, soft feminine fingers holding my balls. Such a tragedy. I am however grateful I got a solid decade of clubs in during the prime years of life.

Any ideas?[/QUOTE]Your inbox is full Phallus Maximus. I was to believe that if you have both your covid vaccinations, that a negative PCR test was no longer required. That is your vaccine passport. There is an app you can download.

[URL]https://www.iata.org/en/youandiata/travelers/iata-travel-pass-for-travelers/[/URL]

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2547908]Roughly 16 months in sex prison USA! Got my shots, but it is a total fuckup getting to Europe, perversely asking to test negative for antibodies that is the reverse of vaccines intended outcome. Looks like travel this year is fucked up thanks to EU bureaucrats. If they were mongers, this would solved fast. Maybe FKK will go to ships like off the coast of Cannes in 1996 with Hot d'Or I enclose a pic of. A lot of hot orgies and movies, maybe that will be the evolution. Either way, some hot women in that series, all holes filled and plenty of seaman running and hands on the mast. I kind of like the KINO scene in the clubs. So outrageous. SO FUN !

Makes me wonder. Seriously - if this is a convenient excuse to make modern monetary theory (MMT) de jure of what was de facto since about 2009. All those pretty girls being deprived of income, clubs shut, mental anxiety world wide, really bad impact on tourism, hotels, airlines and most service industries. How is viagra sales? Up or down (ha ha) ? 'm walking around with a fence post thinking of the clubs and girls I had the pleasure of kissing and their little delicate, soft feminine fingers holding my balls. Such a tragedy. I am however grateful I got a solid decade of clubs in during the prime years of life.

Any ideas?[/QUOTE]Any ideas?

Yes, read my post here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus[/URL]!&p=2547720&viewfull=1#post2547720.

Many scientists already predicted last year that mutations will render any "vaccine" as useless, and this is of course something our CCP Troll Nursenary doesn't want to comment on.

Getting your "shots" doesn't mean a damn thing, and the lying politicians know it! That's why Fauci has already said that masking and social distancing will have to continue.

How will you open an FKK club with social distancing in a country like Germany with strict government controls on everything? Quick answer: you won't!

I highly recommend you watching the video of Dr Geert vanden Bossche in the link above, and if you have trouble understanding his accent or the science, then here is another video which explains it more in laymen's terms: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8PlB4yQ4k[/URL].

Spoiler alert: vaccines will only make things worse, leading to more aggressive mutations, which is why AstraZeneca is already useless against the South African strain, as I also described in my post linked above.

By the way, is it a coincidence that all these vaccine resistant "mutations" (Brazilian and South African) pop up in countries where they did massive vaccine testing? But again, you won't hear CCP Troll Nursenary about this.

Stop worrying about MMT, and instead do some more research into the poorly-researched chemical shit that they have injected into your body. Then you might find out WHY things will probably NOT be opening any time soon. Sorry, I wish I had better news, because I'm also hoping for things to improve, but we have to be realistic and look at the REAL science, not the propaganda from Big Pharma and lying politicians.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2547906]For the record Sirioja, I have never been refused kissing by any girl at a FKK, including Romanian girls. It is just in the recent past that the girls try to extort an extra 50 Euros for it. Part of the problem was the rates have stayed stagnant in Germany. My prediction is that after the pandemic, the girls will be demanding even more that 100 Euros for a 30 minute session. Although, I am not familiar with your Romanian girl working in the Zurich club, I do know the type. For this girl not to offer kissing in CZ, but was willing to give you a kiss upon agreement to extend the session, speaks highly of your mongering prowess. I can assure you that if you offer a Czech girl more than the 1500 - 2000 CZK base rate and add the BBBJ supplement for 500 CZK, the anal supplement of 1000 CZK, and the CIM to swallow supplement of 1000 CZK, the girl will be certain to give you more than a kiss. You can do the math yourself. If you meet your Romanian girl again, I would be curious to know where she worked in Prague and if you could have booked her for a longer period? Most escorts of that class will have a 3 hour rate and a pro-rated overnight rate. If that girl doesn't even kiss, rest assured she will get a bad review and will be out of business in short order. There is no coincidence that many of the top European pornstars originate from the CZ. To each his own.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]She was so sexy, looking like a natural normal pretty Caucasian woman, not a silicon stolen car. I didn't play grocery before going with her, because I desired her, I paid 170 to try 30 mn with her, according to Amesia rate but free entry, she didn't ask me to extend because she didn't know how it worked from room, she was quite new at Amesia but not in business. I needed to work with her like with most, so I needed more time than 30 mn and extended to 45 mn, she forgot her 80 more at the end, she followed me for bed, telling me she didn't provide same in CZ and she didn't like Amesia, she didn't stay, but interesting meeting as I look for. I don t go with pornstars who are not the most attractive and best in bed for me, but lucky You if You find good for You in beautiful Prague. Germany closed border with CZ.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547860]I met a really sexy Romanian at Amesia Zurich, she told me she worked in CZ for years and kissinng or BBBJ are not standard there, she didn't even provide there, had to work a bit with her, so I had to propose her to extend our time. At the end of the room, when we have to pay before room at Amesia, she kissed me and returned to give back key to desk, so I did let her go and had to follow her to desk to tell her I had to pay for extended time, she forgot, girl on desk smiled, I like situations like this.[/QUOTE]

Well, I am not aware where kissing become a standard service in FKKs and vast majority (if not all) of the brothels. My definition of standard is that it is included on the hourly rate without paying any extra.

As I and FiddyCent have mentioned, we are talking about Czech Privats not a club or FKK alike. The thing with Czech Privats is that you will need to do your desk and a lot of legworks. To get started, have a look on Czech forum from people who are living in Czech Republic sharing their [personal experience. It is in Czech language but use add on google translator on your browser

https://tapky.info/

Think of the privat like a small brothel with 3-6 girls daily. The problem with Czech privats is that you will need to take your chance and have a look yourself. If you do not like her just walk away. Once you find a gem, she could become your regular during your short stay. The girls are working in a rota. So you will need to get her on the right date on the right time slot. The girls in Privat come and go, moving from one privats to another quite often. The one you saw a few years ago, will not be available any longer.

But I am not here to compare between German FKK and Czech Privat. I love them both. If I could choose and have limited time, I will choose German FKKs for the reason I have mentioned before, e.g. the set and the size of the premises will make it easier for you to find stunner in one roof. But for best looking stunner, young blood then Prague is the place. This an example what you will find in Prague 18yo Vanessa for 1500czk/hr (about EUR 58). DATY is almost guaranteed.

https://www.pragueprincess.cz/divka/vanesska/

Note: Her face is blured (This is the thing I also do not like). But you coud make an educated guess how she looks like. You could always visit her and walk away when meet her in her privat. But her body and age herself will make it worthy to grant a visit and check it yourself.

But saying you will not find stunner in Prague is utterly misleading. In general Moravian girls are well known to be good looking let alone if it is just compared to Romanian girls. Many of the world best looking pornstars come from this country.

Those who commented Sex Park I agree the things has gone downhill and the price they charge with almost everything is extra does not make it worthy for a regular visit, at least for me.

To visit Prague, you will need more than a week stay to get a better result. It will not worthy for a day trip.

Meaning of standard for me is you don't need to play grocery, paying extra money or time asked by the girl, nor to play beggar, but just fluent natural with the girl, what I look for, when grocery kill my desire. I like girls who don't speak about money, just club rate for time spent. Grocery make me feel too much for paid sex. I prefer when girls return to me, better for my mind.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2548038]Well, I am not aware where kissing become a standard service in FKKs and vast majority (if not all) of the brothels. My definition of standard is that it is included on the hourly rate without paying any extra.[/QUOTE]The only place in the world where I have been where I can say kissing is standard without negotiation over it is Brazil. Particularly the termas in Rio.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547860]I met a really sexy Romanian at Amesia Zurich, she told me she worked in CZ for years and kissinng or BBBJ are not standard there, she didn't even provide there, had to work a bit with her, so I had to propose her to extend our time. At the end of the room, when we have to pay before room at Amesia, she kissed me and returned to give back key to desk, so I did let her go and had to follow her to desk to tell her I had to pay for extended time, she forgot, girl on desk smiled, I like situations like this.[/QUOTE]I don't kiss a prostitute who already sucked dicks minutes before or put her tongue in a asshole from every place in the world.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548086]I don't kiss a prostitute who already sucked dicks minutes before or put her tongue in a asshole from every place in the world.[/QUOTE]When I think a girl is not clean enough, when I don't like her behavior or image, I just don't go with her. I even stopped with my best girl when I didn't like anymore her new image. When I decide to go with a girl, I treat her as my girlfriend for our time. I usually don't ask, but when I have doubt from our contact, if she tells me she doesn't kiss, I never insist nor beg, I don't go. From reading you, even difficult for me to find attractive girls, too picky say girls, but I really wonder what you do in this business with girls, not kissing, not fucking sporty, you party with champagne and music, watching photos? Like many. Maybe because I usually choose highest level girls, but I never tasted or smelled guys odors, only sometimes eau de toilets before wet which cover this odor and taste.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2548050]The only place in the world where I have been where I can say kissing is standard without negotiation over it is Brazil. Particularly the termas in Rio.[/QUOTE]Quite usual for standard in Germany or Switzerland or escorts, without needing to beg. Fortunately for me because I can't enjoy sex without kissing, and virus and mutant don't make me change, I m too old and I want same sex than with my girlfriends, I only enjoy this way.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2547920]Your inbox is full Phallus Maximus. I was to believe that if you have both your covid vaccinations, that a negative PCR test was no longer required. That is your vaccine passport. There is an app you can download.

[URL]https://www.iata.org/en/youandiata/travelers/iata-travel-pass-for-travelers/[/URL]

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]50 ¢ thanks for the link but FYI zippo on IOS yet.

Vaxxed and ready to hunt for Ro's.

Best,

Clodius.

Hammertime96: I keep an open mind, and would not put it past big pharma to create a perpetual vaccine wheel or stupid / corrupt politicians. In fact I assume that to be the case and the population lacks critical skills to assess data. That is why the politicians are so bad. They reflect the ignorant and manipulated rabble. The examples of mass delusion are numerous, like wars, religion (s), mass hysteria etc etc.

What matters is the world opening like a return to 2018 rather than a perpetually isolated no fun zone and economic destruction. I got my shots to travel and ravish beautiful young women. Seriously though, if this COVID isolation becomes a way a life, what will it mean for supply chains and stranded "people" assets like airports, hotels, restaurants, airplanes, schools, stadiums and commercial buildings? And the banks and pension funds that invested in them on a set of assumptions that seems to be presently absent and may become permanently absent? Will the folks on this board be the last witnesses of an idyllic time of Roman style orgies in a club with a 100+ gorgeous beauties we can have at will? I feel so bad for the next generation of young men that will miss out. Same for restaurants and indeed much of life itself. Is life ever going to be fun again, in a way we can recognize?

Vets are smarter than most human doctors, they have to know a lot more anatomy and biochemistry for starters, so just because someone is a vert is no automatic disqualification. I'd listen to a virii specialist more than anyone, all I know is that proteins are fantastically complicated and changing, so much so it is amazing anything works at all. What is certain is more virii, perhaps deadly, perhaps not, we have lived with them since we crawled out of the ocean*.

What will happen if this keeps up? The reaction has been a economic and social disaster for the relative death rate. The cure may be worse than the disease. Maybe the real issue is people not accepting death as inevitable and pretending there is certainty with modern medicine when that is bullshit. Quality of life matters too, if not more. Who wants to be a medial trophy and source of doctor fees with tubes up the butt? All the statistics on infection and death do not measure misery and poverty the "cure" causes and mass economic and social destruction as a comparative.

The clubs are the least of our problems. We need airlines, restaurants and indeed the framework of life itself. Has it ended as civil liberties are to 9/11?

*Fox news viewers know the world started about 5000 years ago by go and evolution is made up. Your views are acknowledged along with the flat earth.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548086]I don't kiss a prostitute who already sucked dicks minutes before or put her tongue in a asshole from every place in the world.[/QUOTE]Exactly, you couldn't make this shit up: brainwashed by the media to be scared of a flu with a 0,05% infection mortality rate for a healthy person below 70 years, but no problem tasting some other man's dick or asshole when DFK-ing a WG! That's French 'logic' for you! LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2547707]That's right, the FKKs still are not "fukky operational" LMAO! And in my view, the Czech Republic is not a good substitute for Germany. That was true even during normal times. I would just rather wait for the best.[/QUOTE]The operations yes. So far before covid. But as the other guy mentioned, Moravia has some of the hottest girls in the world. Actually I don't know of a region with better average beauties than around Brno. Maybe also up towards Ostrava. Although all the 10/10 hotties I met personally was from or near Brno. So if the covid changes the climate a bit, I am all ears!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2547707]That's right, the FKKs still are not "fukky operational" LMAO! And in my view, the Czech Republic is not a good substitute for Germany. That was true even during normal times. [b]I would just rather wait for the best[/b].[/QUOTE]Hah! So you admit it! FKKs are the best! FKKs over Brazil. Gotcha! Jk LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2548205]The operations yes. So far before covid. But as the other guy mentioned, Moravia has some of the hottest girls in the world. Actually I don't know of a region with better average beauties than around Brno. Maybe also up towards Ostrava. Although all the 10/10 hotties I met personally was from or near Brno. So if the covid changes the climate a bit, I am all ears![/QUOTE]Pistons, please don't give away all the secrets. I can bet the girls will be desperate for money and they are not yet hardened by the FKK mafia.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548235]Hah! So you admit it! FKKs are the best! FKKs over Brazil. Gotcha! Jk LOL.[/QUOTE]Desperate for a win are we? "The best" as in the best in Europe.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2548180]50 thanks for the link but FYI zippo on IOS yet.

Vaxxed and ready to hunt for Ro's.

Best,

Clodius.[/QUOTE]Check back later with IATA app. They did say it was under development. Well, since you are already "Vaxxed", you will need to find the Rommies in other venues. Pretty sure Germany FKKs still remain closed. You'll need to turn over a few stones to find them. Good luck with that.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548041]Meaning of standard for me is you don't need to play grocery, paying extra money or time asked by the girl, nor to play beggar, but just fluent natural with the girl, what I look for, when grocery kill my desire. I like girls who don't speak about money, just club rate for time spent. Grocery make me feel too much for paid sex. I prefer when girls return to me, better for my mind.[/QUOTE]You are probably too high class to be ordering lunch at a fast food restaurant, Sirioja. Don't think of kissing as a standard service, but just another addition to your burger combo. The analogy is getting pomme frites with your order. You pay a little extra, but it makes your meal that much better. This is not a hard concept and it does not involve "playing grocery", as you have stated. Just tell a girl what you want, and the girl will do everything as agreed. However, for you used to fine dining, you expect a set meal for the price you pay. I get it, but you are really at the mercy of the chef to deliver you an exceptional meal.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2548187]Exactly, you couldn't make this shit up: brainwashed by the media to be scared of a flu with a 0,05% infection mortality rate for a healthy person below 70 years, but no problem tasting some other man's dick or asshole when DFK-ing a WG! That's French 'logic' for you! LOL![/QUOTE]Difficult to follow your logic, even 5 years back I never kissed a prostitute there is no link with covid. If now for you 500 K deads in the US, 100 K in France. Is not a problem and life expectancy going down in many countries like never since ww2 doesn't impact you, why not, for me it is a point of concern.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2548267]You are probably too high class to be ordering lunch at a fast food restaurant, Sirioja. Don't think of kissing as a standard service, but just another addition to your burger combo. The analogy is getting pomme frites with your order. You pay a little extra, but it makes your meal that much better. This is not a hard concept and it does not involve "playing grocery", as you have stated. Just tell a girl what you want, and the girl will do everything as agreed. However, for you used to fine dining, you expect a set meal for the price you pay. I get it, but you are really at the mercy of the chef to deliver you an exceptional meal.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]I don't go to fast foods, which make our citizens obese and weak under virus, but I have simple tastes for foods, eat half kilo pasta per day and you won't be fat but strong, but no sauce, but salt to try to keep water inside your body for intense sports. I'm also very simple for girls, I try to find girls with image which would attract me in real life, image meaning look, so not pornstar, and behavior, so, good manners for me. When I succeed to find one, I don't mind to have to work to make her improving following me and it was even great enjoyment to experience this with some, but money talk or services menu are killing desire for me, when I need girls show me they want to repeat with me, this make my desire. As I told to GT busy superstar Kate, when You are not free for me, I have no desire to wait for You, she proposed me to take appointment, then I will be free for You. I never did, I needed to see she was free for me and welcoming. My best FKK girl was probably because even LR busy superstar, but she always made free for me, delaying some bigger money, even I loved how she followed me in bed. Much bigger pleasure for me in my mind, than just emptying balls or playing porn, when I feel insulted when girls tell me: You fuck like a pornstar. At least, I know very well what I need for pleasure, and I test girls on introduction, to feel if the girl will react as I enjoy. I remember my only friend in FKK land, telling me: but girls should not understand what You say to them, and sometimes they look at me with round eyes, but from girls way to look at me or speak while our introduction chat, I try to feel and if they don t propose to go, I won t ask, but say: let me know if You want we go, I m not in hurry, take all your time, rest, relax, no hurry. Girl will always be better, when she is relax, when she feels safe, probably why my regulars choose me first, and when she choose. My tests and little experience, just like in real life.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548155]Quite usual for standard in Germany or Switzerland or escorts, without needing to beg. Fortunately for me because I can't enjoy sex without kissing, and virus and mutant don't make me change, I m too old and I want same sex than with my girlfriends, I only enjoy this way.[/QUOTE]I just notice you said.

". Meaning of standard for me is you don't need to play grocery, paying extra money or time asked by the girl".

Mind to mention which FFK is that where you could do kissing without paying any extra?? Are they your regulars??

I fully believe any FKK girls, any Wgs will do kissing if you shower them with money.

The fact you mention "Quite usual for standard (no extra ??) in Germany or Switzerland or escorts" make me conclude that your statement is woefully inaccurate. Not in my personal experience not the experience of many mongers here based on the reports that you read on ISG. The exception might apply if they are your regular.

But it is not uncommon you get kissing as a standard without paying any extra if they are your regular, you visit high class brothels, high class protitutes, sugar babes, or courtesans. But this is not because you don't pay for it but because this service has been included in the price.

Paying +25 in GT or +50 in Sharks is not especially paying club rate but whatever.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2548361]I just notice you said.

". Meaning of standard for me is you don't need to play grocery, paying extra money or time asked by the girl".

Mind to mention which FFK is that where you could do kissing without paying any extra?? Are they your regulars??

I fully believe any FKK girls, any Wgs will do kissing if you shower them with money.

The fact you mention "Quite usual for standard (no extra ??) in Germany or Switzerland or escorts" make me conclude that your statement is woefully inaccurate. Not in my personal experience not the experience of many mongers here based on the reports that you read on ISG. The exception might apply if they are your regular.

But it is not uncommon you get kissing as a standard without paying any extra if they are your regular, you visit high class brothels, high class protitutes, sugar babes, or courtesans. But this is not because you don't pay for it but because this service has been included in the price.[/QUOTE]Only my subjective experience of course, but got for only clubs rates and sometimes for only 50 € or even 40 at Velbert or Gold, fluent DFK and without needing to beg, nor any extra asked, even on discovery. I don t repeat with girls who don t kiss or ask extra for or for else, because I can t enjoy, when kissing is the most important for me, why I need pretty faces to enjoy to kiss, to feel like with a girlfriend. Maybe I was lucky, maybe because of hair or face girls like to touch, but fortunately for me, no problem for kissing and even on reopening after first covid break, on my weekly rooms since 8 years, when my usual standard is for 1 hour, to take time to enjoy celebrating woman, for 100 € in Germany. Each one own game. Even found some queens for kissing girls, only French kissing for between 30 mn and 1 hour before sex, like so GFE EMA at Prestige, or Tatiana. Ru at Oase, or so tender sweet Daria at LR.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2548361]I just notice you said.

". Meaning of standard for me is you don't need to play grocery, paying extra money or time asked by the girl".

Mind to mention which FFK is that where you could do kissing without paying any extra?? Are they your regulars??

I fully believe any FKK girls, any Wgs will do kissing if you shower them with money.

The fact you mention "Quite usual for standard (no extra ??) in Germany or Switzerland or escorts" make me conclude that your statement is woefully inaccurate. Not in my personal experience not the experience of many mongers here based on the reports that you read on ISG. The exception might apply if they are your regular.

But it is not uncommon you get kissing as a standard without paying any extra if they are your regular, you visit high class brothels, high class protitutes, sugar babes, or courtesans. But this is not because you don't pay for it but because this service has been included in the price.[/QUOTE]In short, YMMV. In my experience, regular or not, kissing has always been standard at most NRW clubs and my one Swiss experience. Frankfurt 50/50 for half hour sessions, 75/25 for 1 hour. For non-FKK venues, I share your sentiments.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2548361]I just notice you said.

". Meaning of standard for me is you don't need to play grocery, paying extra money or time asked by the girl".

Mind to mention which FFK is that where you could do kissing without paying any extra?? Are they your regulars?? I fully believe any FKK girls, any Wgs will do kissing if you shower them with money.
[/QUOTE]I have never paid one cent extra for kissing at an FKK (or anywhere) and never, ever will. If it happens, it happens naturally and spontaneously between me and the girl, and we both enjoyed it. I prefer it that way. I never bring up kissing before going to the room, or once we're there. If it happens it happens, and that's that. What I have found is that if I go with a girl multiple times, if she didn't kiss the first time, she starts kissing during subsequent sessions, often beginning with the second session. And she initiates it herself. I guess that kissing isn't anything I have ever viewed as a premium upgrade. I don't value it as much as some guys who have to have it in order to achieve their fantasy GFE with the girl. I've always leaned towards the PSE anyway, which isn't totally exclusive of any kissing. Kissing just isn't as important with the PSE versus the GFE.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2548361]I just notice you said.

". Meaning of standard for me is you don't need to play grocery, paying extra money or time asked by the girl".

Mind to mention which FFK is that where you could do kissing without paying any extra?? Are they your regulars??

I fully believe any FKK girls, any Wgs will do kissing if you shower them with money.

The fact you mention "Quite usual for standard (no extra ??) in Germany or Switzerland or escorts" make me conclude that your statement is woefully inaccurate. Not in my personal experience not the experience of many mongers here based on the reports that you read on ISG. The exception might apply if they are your regular.

But it is not uncommon you get kissing as a standard without paying any extra if they are your regular, you visit high class brothels, high class protitutes, sugar babes, or courtesans. But this is not because you don't pay for it but because this service has been included in the price.[/QUOTE]Of course Siri often goes to Globe or used to. Globe is IMO most guaranteed service in Western Europe, maybe the world. And DFK is included. Of course at 140 USD / half it's kinda as you say included at a higher end price. That said last time I was at Sharks (late 2019) I got 2010 pricing. One girl was 50€/ half and included DFK and BLS and was a wildcat girlfriend for that 50€ (To be fair she was a bit thick so maybe she tries harder). But also a very slim beauty for 100€/ half including CIM and no kissing upsell. That is flat up standard 2010 pricing in 2019 with DFK included. YMMV of course.

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[QUOTE=TheCane;2548050]The only place in the world where I have been where I can say kissing is standard without negotiation over it is Brazil. Particularly the termas in Rio.[/QUOTE]And I am placed exactly the opposite location of planet earth LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2548416]Of course Siri often goes to Globe or used to. Globe is IMO most guaranteed service in Western Europe, maybe the world. And DFK is included. Of course at 140 USD / half it's kinda as you say included at a higher end price. That said last time I was at Sharks (late 2019) I got 2010 pricing. One girl was 50/ half and included DFK and BLS and was a wildcat girlfriend for that 50 (To be fair she was a bit thick so maybe she tries harder). But also a very slim beauty for 100/ half including CIM and no kissing upsell. That is flat up standard 2010 pricing in 2019 with DFK included. YMMV of course.[/QUOTE]Well, I myself but I also believe some people get kissing without paying any extra. But it is not the same with saying "Quite usual for standard in Germany or Switzerland or escorts" is it?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548086]I don't kiss a prostitute who already sucked dicks minutes before or put her tongue in a asshole from every place in the world.[/QUOTE]I do hope they wash well between sessions because I do like to kiss them and DATY.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2548453]I do hope they wash well between sessions because I do like to kiss them and DATY.[/QUOTE]I remember having a session with a tute in a Rio terma who had my dick and nuts all in her mouth. After our session was over and I had showered, I returned to the boate. And there she was, DFKing with some other guy. Well, at least she used mouthwash in between I thought to myself hahaha! I had seen her do so before we left the room. No idea what she did during her shower and clean-up before returning to the boate herself.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2548416]Of course Siri often goes to Globe or used to. Globe is IMO most guaranteed service in Western Europe, maybe the world. And DFK is included. Of course at 140 USD / half it's kinda as you say included at a higher end price. That said last time I was at Sharks (late 2019) I got 2010 pricing. One girl was 50/ half and included DFK and BLS and was a wildcat girlfriend for that 50 (To be fair she was a bit thick so maybe she tries harder). But also a very slim beauty for 100/ half including CIM and no kissing upsell. That is flat up standard 2010 pricing in 2019 with DFK included. YMMV of course.[/QUOTE]My best kissers were not at Globe, but in Germany and of course great kissers don't ask for extra. My wow discovery at World on Saturday around 10 May 2014, at 4 . 15 am, delightful kisser, for around 35/40 mn, for only 50. At 5 am, when closing, I asked her: will you work on next Saturday? She looked at me with her black eyes, seeming: what is this liar, but on next Saturday, she came straight to me when I entered in lounge. Weekly meeting her for 1 year, sometimes with 3 rooms in the night, sometimes being her only business.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2545841]You know I never fucked Chinese girls before, I should try once if I find real stunner Chinese girl like in movie or magazine, but considering how big that country is, there must be the beauty there
[/QUOTE]Nope. None whatsoever.

Only childish flat-chested girls in comfortable shoes, pale thin legs and furry hello-kitty phone covers. They make hotpants look cold.

There's even a Hooters in Beijing. Totally not cool, they make the dance look like some kid's birthday party. They should have their license revoked.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2548561]Nope. None whatsoever.

Only childish flat-chested girls in comfortable shoes, pale thin legs and furry hello-kitty phone covers. They make hotpants look cold.

There's even a Hooters in Beijing. Totally not cool, they make the dance look like some kid's birthday party. They should have their license revoked.[/QUOTE]If you define a country's girls by the number of Hooters, let us all meditate and help your mind recover. This is sad. Just sad.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2548407]I have never paid one cent extra for kissing at an FKK (or anywhere) and never, ever will. If it happens, it happens naturally and spontaneously between me and the girl, and we both enjoyed it. I prefer it that way. I never bring up kissing before going to the room, or once we're there. If it happens it happens, and that's that. What I have found is that if I go with a girl multiple times, if she didn't kiss the first time, she starts kissing during subsequent sessions, often beginning with the second session. And she initiates it herself. I guess that kissing isn't anything I have ever viewed as a premium upgrade. I don't value it as much as some guys who have to have it in order to achieve their fantasy GFE with the girl. I've always leaned towards the PSE anyway, which isn't totally exclusive of any kissing. Kissing just isn't as important with the PSE versus the GFE.[/QUOTE]Totally up to you TC. That is the point. If kissing happens naturally, then bonus. The point I am trying to make is if you want a specific type of pizza, you just tell the cook what you want on it. Same concept for privat girls, just tell her what you want and she will give it to you. This is a far better system than having a girl state a 50 Euro rate, then say if you want kissing or BBBJ, that is 100 Euros / 30 min. That is a far bigger turnoff and should not be a premium, if the club first states that a girl should be providing you kissing, BBBJ, and FS for 50 Euros / 30 min. Besides, save all those extra pennies for anal sex. PSE and GFE. YMMV.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2548561]Nope. None whatsoever.

Only childish flat-chested girls in comfortable shoes, pale thin legs and furry hello-kitty phone covers. They make hotpants look cold.

There's even a Hooters in Beijing. Totally not cool, they make the dance look like some kid's birthday party. They should have their license revoked.[/QUOTE]I am talking model level girls, not mediocre or even good looking ones, but my connection in China is limited! Only business people and I cannot ask them that even though they may have some good contact LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548333]I don't go to fast foods, which make our citizens obese and weak under virus, but I have simple tastes for foods, eat half kilo pasta per day and you won't be fat but strong, but no sauce, but salt to try to keep water inside your body for intense sports. I'm also very simple for girls, I try to find girls with image which would attract me in real life, image meaning look, so not pornstar, and behavior, so, good manners for me. When I succeed to find one, I don't mind to have to work to make her improving following me and it was even great enjoyment to experience this with some, but money talk or services menu are killing desire for me, when I need girls show me they want to repeat with me, this make my desire. As I told to GT busy superstar Kate, when You are not free for me, I have no desire to wait for You, she proposed me to take appointment, then I will be free for You. I never did, I needed to see she was free for me and welcoming. My best FKK girl was probably because even LR busy superstar, but she always made free for me, delaying some bigger money, even I loved how she followed me in bed. Much bigger pleasure for me in my mind, than just emptying balls or playing porn, when I feel insulted when girls tell me: You fuck like a pornstar. At least, I know very well what I need for pleasure, and I test girls on introduction, to feel if the girl will react as I enjoy. I remember my only friend in FKK land, telling me: but girls should not understand what You say to them, and sometimes they look at me with round eyes, but from girls way to look at me or speak while our introduction chat, I try to feel and if they don t propose to go, I won t ask, but say: let me know if You want we go, I m not in hurry, take all your time, rest, relax, no hurry. Girl will always be better, when she is relax, when she feels safe, probably why my regulars choose me first, and when she choose. My tests and little experience, just like in real life.[/QUOTE]I get that talk of money turns you off and puts you in the wrong state of mind. You are accustomed to the "prix fixe". You are at the mercy of what the girl gives you, otherwise you won't repeat. For me, I don't think of it as shopping or negotiating. Think of it as ordering spaghetti Bolognese. I know exactly what goes in it and that's what I order. Don't you hate it more when you expect a girl to offer kissing, BBBJ, and FS for 50 Euro / 30 min, but then say no for kissing and BBBJ, or it is 100 Euro / 30 min. That is worse. If I know what I am getting, as you have stated about your Globe girls, then I don't have a problem with that. It is just in FKKs, the girls are quoting their own prices.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2548592]Totally up to you TC. That is the point. If kissing happens naturally, then bonus. The point I am trying to make is if you want a specific type of pizza, you just tell the cook what you want on it. Same concept for privat girls, just tell her what you want and she will give it to you. This is a far better system than having a girl state a 50 Euro rate, then say if you want kissing or BBBJ, that is 100 Euros / 30 min. That is a far bigger turnoff and should not be a premium, if the club first states that a girl should be providing you kissing, BBBJ, and FS for 50 Euros / 30 min. Besides, save all those extra pennies for anal sex. PSE and GFE. YMMV.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]It's not about saving or pinching pennies. I don't have to do that. It's simply about not spending money for things that I can get for free. Or if it isn't for free (kissing), then I can typically leave it because I don't care enough about it to feel compelled to pay for it. That's what it's about. Get what you want on your pizza in Prague, and I too will order mine the way I like it, where I like it. That would be in Brazil or Germany, and maybe with a credit card.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2548460]I remember having a session with a tute in a Rio terma who had my dick and nuts all in her mouth. After our session was over and I had showered, I returned to the boate. And there she was, DFKing with some other guy. Well, at least she used mouthwash in between I thought to myself hahaha! I had seen her do so before we left the room. No idea what she did during her shower and clean-up before returning to the boate herself.[/QUOTE]Remember, in my case, their tongue has been on my anal and sometimes even inside my anal LOL!

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2548595]I get that talk of money turns you off and puts you in the wrong state of mind. You are accustomed to the "prix fixe". You are at the mercy of what the girl gives you, otherwise you won't repeat. For me, I don't think of it as shopping or negotiating. Think of it as ordering spaghetti Bolognese. I know exactly what goes in it and that's what I order. Don't you hate it more when you expect a girl to offer kissing, BBBJ, and FS for 50 Euro / 30 min, but then say no for kissing and BBBJ, or it is 100 Euro / 30 min. That is worse. If I know what I am getting, as you have stated about your Globe girls, then I don't have a problem with that. It is just in FKKs, the girls are quoting their own prices.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Many mongers tend to forget that they are in the brothel, not in normal bar!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2548453]I do hope they wash well between sessions because I do like to kiss them and DATY.[/QUOTE]Of course they wash very well! If you know very well a FKK girl you can ask her how some girls are washing between each customer. Some girls have very sensitive skin, do you really believe it is possible to shower 10+ every day on a long run, the same for the pussy. The devil is always in the details.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2548595]I get that talk of money turns you off and puts you in the wrong state of mind. You are accustomed to the "prix fixe". You are at the mercy of what the girl gives you, otherwise you won't repeat. For me, I don't think of it as shopping or negotiating. Think of it as ordering spaghetti Bolognese. I know exactly what goes in it and that's what I order. Don't you hate it more when you expect a girl to offer kissing, BBBJ, and FS for 50 Euro / 30 min, but then say no for kissing and BBBJ, or it is 100 Euro / 30 min. That is worse. If I know what I am getting, as you have stated about your Globe girls, then I don't have a problem with that. It is just in FKKs, the girls are quoting their own prices.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]In FKK, the girls are considered self entrepreneur by the German law, therefor free to fix their prices. I never speak with a girl before going to the room, just Hi you are very beautiful do you want to go to the room? That is all and far enough for me, my only criteria is beauty and this I can see.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2548561]Nope. None whatsoever.

Only childish flat-chested girls in comfortable shoes, pale thin legs and furry hello-kitty phone covers. They make hotpants look cold.

There's even a Hooters in Beijing. Totally not cool, they make the dance look like some kid's birthday party. They should have their license revoked.[/QUOTE]

This is a simple generalisation. There are enough Chinese tutes are good looking, busty or resonable size boobs. You just need to go to Hong Kong to see them. There are many street tutes are coming from China working in the street. But I personally prefer eastern European, Russian looks as I like good looking blond girls, reasonably tall, firm body and preferably with blue eyes.

But I agree in some countries the percentage of good looking tutes are lower than the others. But by the end of day beauty is on the eyes of their beholders.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2548595]I get that talk of money turns you off and puts you in the wrong state of mind. You are accustomed to the "prix fixe". You are at the mercy of what the girl gives you, otherwise you won't repeat. For me, I don't think of it as shopping or negotiating. Think of it as ordering spaghetti Bolognese. I know exactly what goes in it and that's what I order. Don't you hate it more when you expect a girl to offer kissing, BBBJ, and FS for 50 Euro / 30 min, but then say no for kissing and BBBJ, or it is 100 Euro / 30 min. That is worse. If I know what I am getting, as you have stated about your Globe girls, then I don't have a problem with that. It is just in FKKs, the girls are quoting their own prices.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]I don't want to speak about money or even menu with girls. When I discover a new club, I ask desk about girls rate, not girls, it would kill my desire. When girls have positive reactions on introduction, I take risk for discovery, if girl starts to upsell, I stop and leave the room. Usually, analyzing introduction, then working to take care of her, I get back from girls, when I repeat with many, when less than 10% FKK girls are attractive for me. Except Hessen legend Kate at Globe, my best girls were in Germany, and I paid one 40/30 or 80/60 for 15 months she worked. I really like surprise on discovery. Money talk is such killing desire, too much paid sex.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548730]I don't want to speak about money or even menu with girls. When I discover a new club, I ask desk about girls rate, not girls, it would kill my desire. When girls have positive reactions on introduction, I take risk for discovery, if girl starts to upsell, I stop and leave the room. Usually, analyzing introduction, then working to take care of her, I get back from girls, when I repeat with many, when less than 10% FKK girls are attractive for me. Except Hessen legend Kate at Globe, my best girls were in Germany, and I paid one 40/30 or 80/60 for 15 months she worked. I really like surprise on discovery. Money talk is such killing desire, too much paid sex.[/QUOTE]Got to agree with Siri on Kate at Globe. I got lucky to sample her when she had just come back from substantial time off. I mentioned the guys on the internet we're glad she was back and she seemed most pleased. She was a true top five world wide experience. That rare girl that is both gorgeous and like your passionate hot girlfriend. Totally not a hooker experience. Just dynamite.

I remember her kissing was to die for and she had this to say about ball licking and sucking in her cute Romanian accent - "I don't understand girls who don't want to or charge. It's all just skin. When you are lovers you do what lovers do!”

Got to love that girl.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2548830]Got to agree with Siri on Kate at Globe. I got lucky to sample her when she had just come back from substantial time off. I mentioned the guys on the internet we're glad she was back and she seemed most pleased. She was a true top five world wide experience. That rare girl that is both gorgeous and like your passionate hot girlfriend. Totally not a hooker experience. Just dynamite.

I remember her kissing was to die for and she had this to say about ball licking and sucking in her cute Romanian accent - "I don't understand girls who don't want to or charge. It's all just skin. When you are lovers you do what lovers do!

Got to love that girl.[/QUOTE]She was a legend around Frankfurt, before becoming a busy superstar at Globe, I loved her: I come to you because I know how you treat me. Even close to 30 on 2018, but I go for this level of girls, with elegance and charm. Please Kate, send me your twin, but she was jealous.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2548830]Got to agree with Siri on Kate at Globe. I got lucky to sample her when she had just come back from substantial time off. I mentioned the guys on the internet we're glad she was back and she seemed most pleased. She was a true top five world wide experience. That rare girl that is both gorgeous and like your passionate hot girlfriend. Totally not a hooker experience. Just dynamite.

I remember her kissing was to die for and she had this to say about ball licking and sucking in her cute Romanian accent - "I don't understand girls who don't want to or charge. It's all just skin. When you are lovers you do what lovers do!

Got to love that girl.[/QUOTE]She still charged your ass though LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548684]Of course they wash very well! If you know very well a FKK girl you can ask her how some girls are washing between each customer. Some girls have very sensitive skin, do you really believe it is possible to shower 10+ every day on a long run, the same for the pussy. The devil is always in the details.[/QUOTE]It is rare, but there are girls who do not shower after session and go back on main bar!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2548924]It is rare, but there are girls who do not shower after session and go back on main bar![/QUOTE]It is not my knowledge, yes they go to the shower but don t wash. Personally I can't shower 5 times per day my skin is just to sensitive, this is also true for some girls. I don t believe most of the girls can deeply wash their pussy after each customer, they will get so irritated after few days.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2548830] ... Kate at Globe. I got lucky to sample her when she had just come back from substantial time off. I mentioned the guys on the internet we're glad she was back and she seemed most pleased. She was a true top five world wide experience. That rare girl that is both gorgeous and like your passionate hot girlfriend. Totally not a hooker experience. Just dynamite.[/QUOTE]She worked in Germany, a little in Rouge in ZH and in a SM studio before she showed up in the summer of 2012 in Globe. Worked until early 2019 I think, with a baby break.

Before the baby, she was unreachable Saturdays. There was a certain guy who had her booked pretty much the whole day. Part of her self confidence was gone when she was told to drop a few kgs before she was allowed back in Globe and gravity and the baby left their mark on her boobs.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2548602]It's not about saving or pinching pennies. I don't have to do that. It's simply about not spending money for things that I can get for free. Or if it isn't for free (kissing), then I can typically leave it because I don't care enough about it to feel compelled to pay for it. That's what it's about. Get what you want on your pizza in Prague, and I too will order mine the way I like it, where I like it. That would be in Brazil or Germany, and maybe with a credit card.[/QUOTE]That was meant as a joke, TC. Don't take it so seriously. Right now at this point, I'd pay anything to be back in the action. So, I'll be keeping my options open. Good luck to you, wherever that pizza joint might be.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548726]In FKK, the girls are considered self entrepreneur by the German law, therefor free to fix their prices. I never speak with a girl before going to the room, just Hi you are very beautiful do you want to go to the room? That is all and far enough for me, my only criteria is beauty and this I can see.[/QUOTE]That's golden ExpatLover! I'll keep that pickup line in mind the next time I visit a FKK. So tell me, when you take a girl to the room and she stats quoting 200 Euros to start, do you bounce?

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548730]I don't want to speak about money or even menu with girls. When I discover a new club, I ask desk about girls rate, not girls, it would kill my desire. When girls have positive reactions on introduction, I take risk for discovery, if girl starts to upsell, I stop and leave the room. Usually, analyzing introduction, then working to take care of her, I get back from girls, when I repeat with many, when less than 10% FKK girls are attractive for me. Except Hessen legend Kate at Globe, my best girls were in Germany, and I paid one 40/30 or 80/60 for 15 months she worked. I really like surprise on discovery. Money talk is such killing desire, too much paid sex.[/QUOTE]Well Siri, you are fortunate enough to be able to visit many European clubs. That tip about asking the desk about the girl's rate is a good one. For me, I don't have that luxury to visit as often as I would like. I rely on the reports on the forums about what the girls are charging. I would prefer to find out before I take a girl to the room and sometimes the process takes a while. Money talk beforehand does not kill the mood. Upselling sharks in the room kills the mood.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549017]Well Siri, you are fortunate enough to be able to visit many European clubs. That tip about asking the desk about the girl's rate is a good one. For me, I don't have that luxury to visit as often as I would like. I rely on the reports on the forums about what the girls are charging. I would prefer to find out before I take a girl to the room and sometimes the process takes a while. Money talk beforehand does not kill the mood. Upselling sharks in the room kills the mood.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]After 4 really enjoyable and improving rooms, German Lucifer told me when we arrived on bed, other Palace German girls asked her to now ask extra 50 for kissing, I did let her explain me this and answered: Ok, I stop the room. She didn't want when I used to go twice with her on the night, she proposed me: stay for 30 mn for 50. I m sure if I took care of her like on previous rooms, she would have kissed like before, but I was so disappointed by her grocery, I didn't want her anymore, even she was lovely on our 4 first 1 hour rooms. I left room without even touching her, gave her 50 , had dinner and maximum attack to grip limit for about 2 hours to Velbert. When she came back to me months later, no desire, it was just funny she went on 3 times to the only guy who didn't want her, when many waited for her. Funny at Oase desk which will answer 50/30 for girls, but a bit more complicated for real with girls, but a good test with girls and got some enjoyable beauties for 100/60 on 2019. Behavior and manners also pay with some girls, not to be asked extra or when over time, could have paid only 40 for 45 mn, but on next week she asked: You stay 1 hour with me? When she was such a pleasure, for only 80. When I went weekly, now I m not even able to find a desirable escort in Paris, bored by real being less pretty than photos. After no ski again, my libido is sleeping. I wait to rub my balls on my beloved best friend French bicycle, I look forward making a great Summer tour.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549017]Well Siri, you are fortunate enough to be able to visit many European clubs. That tip about asking the desk about the girl's rate is a good one. For me, I don't have that luxury to visit as often as I would like. I rely on the reports on the forums about what the girls are charging. I would prefer to find out before I take a girl to the room and sometimes the process takes a while. Money talk beforehand does not kill the mood. Upselling sharks in the room kills the mood.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Sorry it is not a good tip in Germany, by law the girls are free to ask the price they want. I never got any upsell just because I only buy beauty, I don t care to CIM or anal have done so many times in my life and is always the same but beauty is unique. I don t pay for service or extras, all those are fake but again beauty can t be fake.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548726]I never speak with a girl before going to the room, just Hi you are very beautiful do you want to go to the room? That is all and far enough for me, my only criteria is beauty and this I can see.[/QUOTE]

You will not do that in FKK Artemis Berlin if you are expecting kissing or other than a normal service. But like you I also go for good looking, stunning and of course DATY. But in many cases DATY has always been inlcuded in any FKK and other Brothels.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549017]Money talk beforehand does not kill the mood. Upselling sharks in the room kills the mood.
FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]For any newbies reading this post that is an excellent tip IMO.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2549046]You will not do that in FKK Artemis Berlin if you are expecting kissing or other than a normal service. But like you I also go for good looking, stunning and of course DATY. But in many cases DATY has always been inlcuded in any FKK and other Brothels.[/QUOTE]In any club if you do that you'll probably get a very crappy service.

What's the point of staying with a girl in a room if she's a starfish or totally bitchy? If you're satisfied with beauty, download some pics of Cindy Crawford or some playboy playmate and masturbate, it will be cheaper.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2549046]You will not do that in FKK Artemis Berlin if you are expecting kissing or other than a normal service. But like you I also go for good looking, stunning and of course DATY. But in many cases DATY has always been inlcuded in any FKK and other Brothels.[/QUOTE]Not a problem for him, he doesn't kiss nor DATY dirty prostitutes, but go with them. I go with women, not with prostitutes I find dirty. If reopen, I will have to discover Artemis, I enjoyed a German coming from there at Globe on last Summer. And it will be a good run from French border, or Aachen.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2549046]You will not do that in FKK Artemis Berlin if you are expecting kissing or other than a normal service. But like you I also go for good looking, stunning and of course DATY. But in many cases DATY has always been inlcuded in any FKK and other Brothels.[/QUOTE]Sorry to repeat it again and again but I never kiss a prostitute who 5 minutes before have done CIM or put her tongue in the asswhole from another monger.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549011]That's golden ExpatLover! I'll keep that pickup line in mind the next time I visit a FKK. So tell me, when you take a girl to the room and she stats quoting 200 Euros to start, do you bounce?

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Fiddy,

Fifty knows this, but look there is no pick line in brothel! Of course, you can remain polite and say things like let go to the room or you are beautiful and all that cliche, but in brothel you can even say things like suck me baby one more time, or suck me till my dick drop or I want to fuck you or whatever, it will work well as long as you pay, you know why? Because FKK is brothel LOL!

So pick line is needed, but anything you say will get you laid LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2549046]You will not do that in FKK Artemis Berlin if you are expecting kissing or other than a normal service. But like you I also go for good looking, stunning and of course DATY. But in many cases DATY has always been inlcuded in any FKK and other Brothels.[/QUOTE]Dining at why because food sacks in Artemis LOL! But I love eating that Predator face looking part between the why of beautiful stunner LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549064]Sorry to repeat it again and again but I never kiss a prostitute who 5 minutes before have done CIM or put her tongue in the asswhole from another monger.[/QUOTE]Yeah, wait a minimum of 6 minutes for the CIM and asshole germs to dissipate.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2549070]So pick line is needed, but anything you say will get you laid LOL![/QUOTE]The appropriate pick up line is "Zimmer baby".

[QUOTE=MrHo;2549070]Fiddy,

Fifty knows this, but look there is no pick line in brothel! Of course, you can remain polite and say things like let go to the room or you are beautiful and all that cliche, but in brothel you can even say things like suck me baby one more time, or suck me till my dick drop or I want to fuck you or whatever, it will work well as long as you pay, you know why? Because FKK is brothel LOL!

So pick line is needed, but anything you say will get you laid LOL![/QUOTE]Here's the best one. How much? Hahahaha! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548981]She worked in Germany, a little in Rouge in ZH and in a SM studio before she showed up in the summer of 2012 in Globe. Worked until early 2019 I think, with a baby break.

Before the baby, she was unreachable Saturdays. There was a certain guy who had her booked pretty much the whole day. Part of her self confidence was gone when she was told to drop a few kgs before she was allowed back in Globe and gravity and the baby left their mark on her boobs.[/QUOTE]I don't want to leave the wrong impression about her. It's just that before the baby she was booked so much that she was practically invisible in the club. After the baby she was accessible.

Excellent service, very elegant walk in heels, could read a client like few others. Definitely top talent.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549125]I don't want to leave the wrong impression about her. It's just that before the baby she was booked so much that she was practically invisible in the club. After the baby she was accessible.

Excellent service, very elegant walk in heels, could read a client like few others. Definitely top talent.[/QUOTE]I would not have gone with her gypsy look when she started at World on 2010 and on her first years in business, but she improved her look, for more sophisticated but no silicon, and for elegance, becoming more woman, and even I refused on some times to go with her, but I now miss her level at Globe, since she stopped on end of 2018, when she already told me she would stop on end of 2016. Like they said at Globe, but they don't anymore, a real wow. Our discovery was at Sharks, 5 months after baby, for 2 hours, because I asked her if she wanted we extend, because I was disappointed by my performance not able to control enough when I was exhausted not sleeping since more than 60 hours and driving more than 2000 kms, so repeating for second and much better round, for 200 €, and coming straight to me when she saw me 3 months later at Globe where I came for her.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2549108]Here's the best one. How much? Hahahaha! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Try that in the bar in USA and we get a ***** slap LOL!

Or try suck me baby one more time LOL!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549107]The appropriate pick up line is "Zimmer baby".[/QUOTE]This one you can try in normal bar where it is non German speaking or even German speaking part too, they may not understand fully what you mean by the word room baby LOL!

I try next time in FKK, sucki sucki? With blowjob expression LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549064]Sorry to repeat it again and again but I never kiss a prostitute who 5 minutes before have done CIM or put her tongue in the asswhole from another monger.[/QUOTE]Sorry to repeat it again and again, but 5 minutes ago she was licking my asshole, I do not mean to be asshole, but that just the reality of life that I need to do this to recharge myself, it is very revitalizing LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549106]Yeah, wait a minimum of 6 minutes for the CIM and asshole germs to dissipate.[/QUOTE]Like in starwars line the force is strong, but in FKK, the germs are strong LOL!

[QUOTE=Canary;2549049]For any newbies reading this post that is an excellent tip IMO.[/QUOTE]For newbies, consider it as you are in the brothel as you are and unleash your beast once the door close in FKK room because you can do what you want in there, you just have to pay LOL!

I apologize to newbies for there are some mongers here who hypnotize themselves that FKK is not brothel, but FKK is brothel, girls may look elegant or talk elegant, but in reality as elegant as they get in between my ass crack deep in my anal LOL!

Elegance in anal is elegant anal LOL! FKK Anal LOL! FKK Ass crack LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549029]Sorry it is not a good tip in Germany, by law the girls are free to ask the price they want. I never got any upsell just because I only buy beauty, I don t care to CIM or anal have done so many times in my life and is always the same but beauty is unique. I don t pay for service or extras, all those are fake but again beauty can t be fake.[/QUOTE]Obviously ExpatLover our mongering styles are different. A beautiful girl with a crappy attitude is worth nothing in my books. Beauty is only skin deep. I like a girl who delivers passion. There needs to be chemistry. I spend a lot of time chatting with as many girls as possible. I've turned down some beauties if they approach with a bad attitude. I will give five minutes to any girl who approaches with a nice smile on her face. If we get to the point where we are negotiating an hour long session, then the experience is amazing. I've had very good experiences with beautiful girls, but unfortunately there have been a small sample of bad sessions too. You do like your "optifiks", don't you?

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2549108]Here's the best one. How much? Hahahaha! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]I use it all the time TC. Works every time for me.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549276]Obviously ExpatLover our mongering styles are different. A beautiful girl with a crappy attitude is worth nothing in my books. Beauty is only skin deep. I like a girl who delivers passion. There needs to be chemistry. I spend a lot of time chatting with as many girls as possible. I've turned down some beauties if they approach with a bad attitude. I will give five minutes to any girl who approaches with a nice smile on her face. If we get to the point where we are negotiating an hour long session, then the experience is amazing. I've had very good experiences with beautiful girls, but unfortunately there have been a small sample of bad sessions too. You do like your "optifiks", don't you?

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Everyone is different, sorry but if I want passion I will not try to find it with a prostitute, for me all is fake in P6, starting by the names, the girls are lying so do the mongers, yes the sessions with the beauties are not the best one just because the stunners don t need to give good service to earn money, it is usually their proud not to do CIM, anal.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549301]Everyone is different, sorry but if I want passion I will not try to find it with a prostitute, for me all is fake in P6, starting by the names, the girls are lying so do the mongers, yes the sessions with the beauties are not the best one just because the stunners don t need to give good service to earn money, it is usually their proud not to do CIM, anal.[/QUOTE]If you have never had a session with a prostitute who delivered with authentic passion, then you have not experienced the hobby at the highest level.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549276]Obviously ExpatLover our mongering styles are different. A beautiful girl with a crappy attitude is worth nothing in my books. Beauty is only skin deep. I like a girl who delivers passion. There needs to be chemistry. I spend a lot of time chatting with as many girls as possible. I've turned down some beauties if they approach with a bad attitude. I will give five minutes to any girl who approaches with a nice smile on her face. If we get to the point where we are negotiating an hour long session, then the experience is amazing. I've had very good experiences with beautiful girls, but unfortunately there have been a small sample of bad sessions too. You do like your "optifiks", don't you?

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]I love to kiss and DATY beauties, after so long time I tested today with a cute Ukrainian for 150 , to feel if I could still have libido, but I only go with girls I find pretty, she was lovely, kissing me all along, switching off ring to give me time to finish, but not pretty enough to make me run to repeat, despite her: see you again? Was real pleasure to experience once more Russian effect for contact. Prettiest are the best for me, motivating my desire, and I love to take care of them, when I m not interested by GND top performers. Girls don't all have same rate for me, beauty worth more expensive for me. And I really love when a quite average level improve with me, really enjoyable to get result from a good job. Same like at work.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549474]If you have never had a session with a prostitute who delivered with authentic passion, then you have not experienced the hobby at the highest level.[/QUOTE]Hentai level is the level where mongers should strive to reach, hentai level is the level where there is no shame and you are literally upside down in room with your anal up in the air and stunner licking it LOL!

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549276]Obviously ExpatLover our mongering styles are different. A beautiful girl with a crappy attitude is worth nothing in my books. Beauty is only skin deep. I like a girl who delivers passion. There needs to be chemistry. I spend a lot of time chatting with as many girls as possible. I've turned down some beauties if they approach with a bad attitude. I will give five minutes to any girl who approaches with a nice smile on her face. If we get to the point where we are negotiating an hour long session, then the experience is amazing. I've had very good experiences with beautiful girls, but unfortunately there have been a small sample of bad sessions too. You do like your "optifiks", don't you?

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Fiddy,

With this one, you cannot learn from fifty, but we can learn from Big Pun aka Big punisher, it is too bad he had a heart attack in NYC, but we got to punish those girls with attitude without getting heart attack like Big pun, so we work out to get a body like 50 cent and punish those girls with attitude in room no matter what she says LOL! Big pun is the way to go!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2549602]Hentai level is the level where mongers should strive to reach, hentai level is the level where there is no shame and you are literally upside down in room with your anal up in the air and stunner licking it LOL![/QUOTE]There's a time and a place for that.

I'd do twin midgets in a hot tub if that was an option.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549474]If you have never had a session with a prostitute who delivered with authentic passion, then you have not experienced the hobby at the highest level.[/QUOTE]Sorry but the world passion has nothing to do for me with the world prostitute, with a prostitute I am not looking for passion but for beauty, may be I am wrong but with a prostitute I always have a small light in my head telling me all this is fake.

OK, for married guy, I think best FKK is globe if you live close by within airplane distance of let say 2 hours max. Why? Because it is day club with 85%of line up being there in main bar by noon and 100% by 3 pm!

Now, if you are married and you are careful man who do not want divorce due to money, love and kids reasons etc, it is not wise to take a leave from your home in odd manner like over weekend etc, lies can do, but it will catch up with you because women are like FBI sometimes LOL!

But with FKK Globe, you can say you got business meeting and take the early morning flight and you are in globe by noon, and you got till dinner time around like 8 pm till have fun with all the line up being there already and head to airport and have video call with your wife at airport before departure and head home, no suspicion except hard working husband is working very hard during the day time LOL!

There are other day clubs like GT, but it is far out, and for globe it has better chance of bumping into stunner than GT. All other clubs like Artemis, palace etc are quite limited during the day time and it picks up at 5 pm the earliest, but more like 8 pm!

It is true to say that it is much easier to take day time leave from your married life than strange over night stay or strange weekend leave, so it is better if you are careful man to just take morning flight, have fun to the fullest as you can with globe, then take a flight back around 9 or 10 pm back home!

Now if you are not careful man, one can do what he want LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549301]Everyone is different, sorry but if I want passion I will not try to find it with a prostitute, for me all is fake in P6, starting by the names, the girls are lying so do the mongers, yes the sessions with the beauties are not the best one just because the stunners don t need to give good service to earn money, it is usually their proud not to do CIM, anal.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry for you. The act has to be passionate, otherwise what is the point, you might as well just bang a sex doll. She will look exactly like the woman you dreamt of. She does not upsell, and if you clean her up nicely, you may just want to kiss this one. She's the perfect woman for you.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549668]I'm sorry for you. The act has to be passionate, otherwise what is the point, you might as well just bang a sex doll. She will look exactly like the woman you dreamt of. She does not upsell, and if you clean her up nicely, you may just want to kiss this one. She's the perfect woman for you.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]For me with a prostitute you are just buying illusion, I can never forget that all is fake and without money for sure there will be no sex, the girls are giving the illusion that it is passionate but in 99% of the cases they play a rule, they don t care they want you to finish. We all have different level of sensibility but I never find 1 prostitute (had 1000+) for whom I can say she was passionate to have sex with me.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549555]I love to kiss and DATY beauties, after so long time I tested today with a cute Ukrainian for 150 , to feel if I could still have libido, but I only go with girls I find pretty, she was lovely, kissing me all along, switching off ring to give me time to finish, but not pretty enough to make me run to repeat, despite her: see you again? Was real pleasure to experience once more Russian effect for contact. Prettiest are the best for me, motivating my desire, and I love to take care of them, when I m not interested by GND top performers. Girls don't all have same rate for me, beauty worth more expensive for me. And I really love when a quite average level improve with me, really enjoyable to get result from a good job. Same like at work.[/QUOTE]I would love to know more about this cute Ukrainian girl. What's her name and where did you meet her? She sounds just like my type of girl. Kissing, DATY, and not a clock watcher. Perfect! In my books she would rank higher than an optifik, but the goal for most of the guys is to find the most beautiful girl in the club and hope she's a good performer in the room. Upselling sharks, or starfishes are not my cup of tea. I don't care if she is the most beautiful in the club. If there is not passion or chemistry, that is one zimmer non-repeater.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549675]I would love to know more about this cute Ukrainian girl. What's her name and where did you meet her? She sounds just like my type of girl. Kissing, DATY, and not a clock watcher. Perfect! In my books she would rank higher than an optifik, but the goal for most of the guys is to find the most beautiful girl in the club and hope she's a good performer in the room. Upselling sharks, or starfishes are not my cup of tea. I don't care if she is the most beautiful in the club. If there is not passion or chemistry, that is one zimmer non-repeater.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Beautiful and clever girls are aware of their value, if you believe you can fuck them hard for 50 euro and get passion at the same time, why not may be you are another Latin lover on this forum, I don't believe on this kind of stories for many many years. I will never understand why paying for average looking girls and buying a kind of illusion when this is possible for free in normal life. My best sex in my life was never with a prostitute.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549668]I'm sorry for you. The act has to be passionate, otherwise what is the point, you might as well just bang a sex doll. She will look exactly like the woman you dreamt of. She does not upsell, and if you clean her up nicely, you may just want to kiss this one. She's the perfect woman for you.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the picture, I have done a lot of escort and this is really the kind of picture I will never trust, too much photoshop, a real no go for me. When I do escort it is always the same scenario, first meeting at the lobby, if I am not happy with the girl I just pay the taxi, that is all, usually when you put those kind of conditions the selection take place very fast, only the real beauty will accept, all the cheating girls will refuse. I work with 2 escort agencies, they know what I am looking for and also they know which kind of guy I am, so when they have new girls they give me a call and many times I was the first customer of the girl so very funny, she was a bit stressed, but the same forget to get this kind of proposal if you are the 1 hour customer, this is only possible if you do a lot of overnight. I remember a date with a German woman, I was her first customer, she was just separate from her BF and needed money for the deposit of the new apartment, she came very late, after she told me she was staying 2 hours in the parking, so afraid to come and she only came under the pressure of the agency. I was her first and last customer, we are still in touch and always laughing about this evening.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549555]I love to kiss and DATY beauties, after so long time I tested today with a cute Ukrainian for 150 , to feel if I could still have libido, but I only go with girls I find pretty, she was lovely, kissing me all along, switching off ring to give me time to finish, but not pretty enough to make me run to repeat, despite her: see you again? Was real pleasure to experience once more Russian effect for contact. Prettiest are the best for me, motivating my desire, and I love to take care of them, when I m not interested by GND top performers. Girls don't all have same rate for me, beauty worth more expensive for me. And I really love when a quite average level improve with me, really enjoyable to get result from a good job. Same like at work.[/QUOTE]But the real question is how many used condoms were in her trash?

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549675]I would love to know more about this cute Ukrainian girl. What's her name and where did you meet her? She sounds just like my type of girl. Kissing, DATY, and not a clock watcher. Perfect! In my books she would rank higher than an optifik, but the goal for most of the guys is to find the most beautiful girl in the club and hope she's a good performer in the room. Upselling sharks, or starfishes are not my cup of tea. I don't care if she is the most beautiful in the club. If there is not passion or chemistry, that is one zimmer non-repeater.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Ukrainian escorting in Paris, full natural with milky skin. My last was more than 2 months ago, so I wanted to see if I didn t forget how to be hard tool. Like when I jump on my bicycle or on skis, after few seconds, everything went as usual, changing her hair, she looked at me, then starting kissing and she was very generous for this, then she did let me do, like most often and in brothels where my girls let me lead and follow me, letting me touching, changing their hair, face, sometimes even changing their make up when I don t like. Girls are so surprised to be touched as women and again yesterday, obvious she was not used, looking at me. No wow for my eyes, even she would be one of the cutest in most clubs, but I won t return, but I was happy because I m still able to get what I enjoy. Because only 30 mn booking, so I didn't ask for BJ which is not so important for me when I didn't want with my girlfriends, when kissing is so important for me, but after DATY, she decided to take me in her mouth, and really no rush when rang, I accelerated rhythm, she closed eyes, mouth opened, holding my arms, and kissing, opening eyes, at the end. Sweet girlfriend behavior, but I need more impressive look, but I didn't lose my way. Just wait for a real beauty, I love to take care of princess beauties and work for me with more than 90%. You have Cleo or Zeus for 129 CHF including 30 mn with girl in Switzerland or Costa del Sol Estark 92 for 80/30 or 150/60 , if You need. When I will finish to achieve my complicated about safety job, so much more complicated than before, but I will go to the sea in Catalunya and Costa del Sol, before starting my climbing tour on June when top of mountains will open.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549301]Everyone is different, sorry but if I want passion I will not try to find it with a prostitute, ...[/QUOTE]I don't go with a prostitute to seek passion, I go to have sex. However, there are occasions when the hooker is very much into the act, enjoys it immensely and is passionate. She may not be a stunner but in those cases I enjoy the sex more than with a star fish stunner.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549692]But the real question is how many used condoms were in her trash?[/QUOTE]You make a club with fat bald French obsessed follower since 2012 on French language forum, but I just wait to see your both carbon light bicycle climbing with me on my alloy French one, when I have around 25 kgs less than Sagan, easier to fight Newton theory, if You know about. Truth is on the field, like with girls in clubs. She seemed busy yesterday, sweet lovely but not wow look enough to repeat. Olga 1 year ago was prettier and I loved her little dog coming on the bed and making small noises when she moaned, but when I put my condom in dustbin, I didn't say her anything, I just never returned, my freedom, even I really enjoyed her on our times. She might think I disappeared in a Swiss prison. In Germany, when I built my best ever FKK girl, even higher than legendary Kate Globe, when she was so average in bed when I discovered her, coming to me weekly for our 2 rooms for 3 hours for 300 €, delaying her other clients for me, even a 600 € one, when we had a great last Friday, but I stopped on next Thursday, even I can't say she didn't try all she could to keep me, delaying the guy who booked her for whole week end, but when I look at girls like prostitutes, I don t have desire, I only go with girls I can see a woman image. I stop when no more woman image in my eyes. But I m sure they can find many better mannered, more respectful guys than a bad guy like me, I even wonder why so many choose me before others, in so many clubs.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549859]j ... when I have around 25 kgs less than Sagan, [/QUOTE]Then you weigh 53 kg.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549733]Ukrainian escorting in Paris, full natural with milky skin. My last was more than 2 months ago, so I wanted to see if I didn t forget how to be hard tool.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is illegal in France. How strict are the authorities with enforcing the law? Does not seem to be very strict at all. But, the last thing I need is to be arrested for trying to hook up with a tute in Paris.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549733]Ukrainian escorting in Paris, full natural with milky skin. [/QUOTE]So you would agree that a girl of lesser beauty was able to pleasure you better, however you still seek out the beauties that look better than they fuck. Tell me, was this girl just older or was she just your average girl next door?

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549680]Beautiful and clever girls are aware of their value, if you believe you can fuck them hard for 50 euro and get passion at the same time, why not may be you are another Latin lover on this forum, I don't believe on this kind of stories for many many years. I will never understand why paying for average looking girls and buying a kind of illusion when this is possible for free in normal life. My best sex in my life was never with a prostitute.[/QUOTE]I never mentioned anything about being a Cheap Charlie, ExpatLover. If I find a beautiful girl in the club, conditional on us having chemistry, she will get an extended session with extras. Yes, it is a fantasy I am paying for. You don't want the illusion killed if the girl is a starfish or if she flips the switch and starts upselling in the room. That kills the mood. You said, " I will never understand why paying for average looking girls and buying a kind of illusion when this is possible for free in normal life. My best sex in my life was never with a prostitute. " For once we agree on something.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2549819]I don't go with a prostitute to seek passion, I go to have sex. However, there are occasions when the hooker is very much into the act, enjoys it immensely and is passionate. She may not be a stunner but in those cases I enjoy the sex more than with a star fish stunner.[/QUOTE]A hooker who is passionate, and may be have a orgasm, why not but in my 1000+ P6 experiences I never met this kind of girl. Probably I am too stupid for that.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549692]But the real question is how many used condoms were in her trash?[/QUOTE]Let say she works 15 days per month, then minimum 45 condoms per month and that would be about 490 condoms per year in her trash LOL! But some monger see that as she only do it to me kinda mindset LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2549897]Prostitution is illegal in France. How strict are the authorities with enforcing the law? Does not seem to be very strict at all. But, the last thing I need is to be arrested for trying to hook up with a tute in Paris.[/QUOTE]Everything took place in imagination and in pornhub LOL!

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549911]So you would agree that a girl of lesser beauty was able to pleasure you better, however you still seek out the beauties that look better than they fuck. Tell me, was this girl just older or was she just your average girl next door?

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Average girl which he will claim to be the goddess beauty LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549938]A hooker who is passionate, and may be have a orgasm, why not but in my 1000+ P6 experiences I never met this kind of girl. Probably I am too stupid for that.[/QUOTE]I have, but I still pay at the end beside one special case I gave her weed and return got sex without money in FKK, but weed and so called good manner and behavior I guess as some monger is preaching here about good behavior and manner LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549938]A hooker who is passionate, and may be have a orgasm, why not but in my 1000+ P6 experiences I never met this kind of girl. Probably I am too stupid for that.[/QUOTE]So many told me: don t touch me now, give me few seconds, or having their nails in arms, or moving rubbing clit on my tongue, or pressing on my head and wide opening, or putting fingers in my hair, when clit is easier than vagina, but if You make them feel they are dirty, when very difficult for me to find woman images, but then, I treat them like women and my girlfriend in bed and they usually seem to appreciate to return when I want they return to me, even being surprised and not used to. Even in paid sex, you get from what You are, skill, knowledge of women and manners also pay. Going for a prostitute, you will get for sure a prostitute. Looking for woman image and manners, then, if You are able, You may taste a bit of woman, my usual weekly game. I don t go with girls I see as prostitutes. But when I stop, girls become really angry, when they don t seem so much with others. I remember one at Bab who squirts in my face, eyes, nose and mouth. She apologized when it was only my fault. I also remember at LR weekly sticky white juice, I took on my fingers to make her taste, she looked at me like if I was crazy, so I put in my mouth and kissed her, same like kissing a girl after she sucked You. If I thought she was dirty or at risk, then I just would not have gone with her, when never caught anything bad from our weekly games for months, and never caught anything bad for around 1500 rooms, not even on 2020 when still kissing, or at least I didn't feel anything bad. With another one, I loved when tasty honey arrived, then closing her eyes, breathing faster, honey arriving just before her explosion, telling: please don t touch me now. Funny interesting games. I go for this kind of games and others, not to empty balls nor companionship with prostitutes.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2549897]Prostitution is illegal in France. How strict are the authorities with enforcing the law? Does not seem to be very strict at all. But, the last thing I need is to be arrested for trying to hook up with a tute in Paris.[/QUOTE]According to French law, prostitution and escorts advertising are not illegal at all. Law is to prosecute clients, but how do You want it can happen when You go to meet a escort in apartment? I think much more safe for France than making problems to girls in streets and really wish our police have much more important to do for safety in France.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2549911]So you would agree that a girl of lesser beauty was able to pleasure you better, however you still seek out the beauties that look better than they fuck. Tell me, was this girl just older or was she just your average girl next door?

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Early 20's full natural with no tattoo nor piercing, milky skin Ukrainian speaking Russian, really sweet GFE stuck to my mouth, I think she could have kissed me for hours, looking at me in the eyes, maybe my hairdresser was right telling me: You are beautiful now, or like say some girls: You kiss good, or: You are good with your tongue. I was happy because I didn't forget my way to get what I enjoy, but I feel more pleasure with more impressive looks, even she is cute and would have success in clubs, but not pretty enough for me, so I won t return, when I need prettier to really feel pleasure, even she was really lovely and I don t regret, but look for prettier. Not easy in Paris since Rosie. UK on January. Now Ukrainians instead of past Russians, not same level for looks and elegance. For me, Romanians are higher level for looks and body care, than Ukrainians and Germans.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549895]Then you weigh 53 kg.[/QUOTE]If you know a bit about anatomy, if you think Sagan is only 78, maybe then he would be faster than since few years and climbing easier. Does he have body for a climber, even using 32 on rear, when I have for sure, and more important than light weight to please Newton and strong health and resistance, but my strong mental making me doing what I thought impossible on discovery, when I saw poor BMW xdrive in Zoncolan curves in 2014 , I m easier than it and I enjoy to be able to climb such steep legend, so many times now, when professionals asked not to go and Giro didn't go for years, only climbing Mortirolo. So, this is not Swiss administration which can make me changing my mind, they will just get what they created, even nothing about Swiss people of course, when I know many and they are surprised about my experience, when knowing me.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549938]A hooker who is passionate, and may be have a orgasm, why not but in my 1000+ P6 experiences I never met this kind of girl. Probably I am too stupid for that.[/QUOTE]You do not do DATY but I am going to disclose a secret to other readers. I learnt this technique from Masters and Johnson many decades ago. It involves licking the clit with the tip of the tongue for a good 15 minutes or so (I'm more talking of a serpent flick rather than a canine lick), that drives even the tamest women wild. I also try to be the girl's first client for the day, that helps. I do not always do it but when in the mood and with the right girl I do.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550144]If you know a bit about anatomy, if you think Sagan is only 78, maybe then he would be faster than since few years and climbing easier. [/QUOTE]I am sure his weight varied a bit during his career, it can be a bit different depending if he is in full season and depending what he is targeting, but here are some sources, to put things in perspective he is 1.84 tall and below some sources about his weight.

Eurosport says 73 [URL]https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/peter-sagan_prs238661/person.shtml[/URL].

Wikipedia says 78 [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sagan[/URL].

Procycling stats says 78 [URL]https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/peter-sagan[/URL].

Here is an article where he said he is too fat at 80 kg [URL]https://www.velonews.com/news/road/sagan-too-fat-to-defend-world-championship-title/[/URL].

Cyclingweekly at 73 [URL]https://www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/training/peter-sagans-training-secrets-a-week-in-the-life-of-the-triple-world-champion-358009[/URL].

Looking forward to explanations how these sources are all wrong.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550144] Does he have body for a climber, even using 32 on rear, when I have for sure [/QUOTE]Cyclist climber body, Michael Rasmussen 1. 75 tall, at race weight 60 kg.

[URL]http://ride.forgecycle.com/2011/10/26/ouch/rasmussen/[/URL]

I wouldn't brag with that upper body.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550221]I am sure his weight varied a bit during his career, it can be a bit different depending if he is in full season and depending what he is targeting, but here are some sources, to put things in perspective he is 1.84 tall and below some sources about his weight.

Eurosport says 73 [URL]https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/peter-sagan_prs238661/person.shtml[/URL].

Wikipedia says 78 [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sagan[/URL].

Procycling stats says 78 [URL]https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/peter-sagan[/URL].

Here is an article where he said he is too fat at 80 kg [URL]https://www.velonews.com/news/road/sagan-too-fat-to-defend-world-championship-title/[/URL].

Cyclingweekly at 73 [URL]https://www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/training/peter-sagans-training-secrets-a-week-in-the-life-of-the-triple-world-champion-358009[/URL].

Looking forward to explanations how these sources are all wrong.[/QUOTE]Just look at him, his legs, and remember Froome, or Bernal, who was first on top? Who waited for gruppetto to be led by others to finish on time. A puncher, but really not for climbing and he knows about, keeping on only for green jacket, but now he is not anymore among best sprinters, we will see if he will still climb or give up? When my pleasure to climb. Do your data really climbed him? My eyes see he is not built for climbing, when you know a bit about this sport and gravity. Ask Newton who is my friend: weight is the enemy for dynamic, same for cars.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550270]Just look at him, his legs, and remember Froome, or Bernal, who was first on top? Who waited for gruppetto to be led by others to finish on time. A puncher, but really not for climbing and he knows about, keeping on only for green jacket, but now he is not anymore among best sprinters, we will see if he will still climb or give up? When my pleasure to climb. Do your data really climbed him? My eyes see he is not built for climbing, when you know a bit about this sport and gravity. Ask Newton who is my friend: weight is the enemy for dynamic, same for cars.[/QUOTE]Nice try to change the subject. That Bernal or Froome climb faster than Sagan is irrelevant, I never said otherwise. It is just a fact that on any climb Sagan will destroy you, including any long steep climb.

You said you are 25 kg lighter than Sagan and you said that he can't be 78 kg because you know anatomy. I provided plenty of links from cycling media putting him between 73 kg and 80 kg depending on the season.

So, do you weigh 48 kg or maximum 55 kg?

Yes, weight is important, but not everything. On long climbs it's all about W / kg. If your FTP is 150 W you won't go fast regardless how tiny you are.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550270]Do your data really climbed him? My eyes see he is not built for climbing, when you know a bit about this sport and gravity. Ask Newton who is my friend: weight is the enemy for dynamic, same for cars.[/QUOTE]Aha, your eyes can decide if somebody can climb or not, I wonder why then they bother racing, when they could just ask you.

Here is a car analogy for you, you get a car with a 50 HP engine and you race against a car which has 400 HP engine. Your 50 HP car is lighter, do you think it is enough to be faster than the 400 HP car?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550295]Nice try to change the subject. That Bernal or Froome climb faster than Sagan is irrelevant, I never said otherwise. It is just a fact that on any climb Sagan will destroy you, including any long steep climb.

You said you are 25 kg lighter than Sagan and you said that he can't be 78 kg because you know anatomy. I provided plenty of links from cycling media putting him between 73 kg and 80 kg depending on the season.

So, do you weigh 48 kg or maximum 55 kg?

Yes, weight is important, but not everything. On long climbs it's all about W / kg. If your FTP is 150 W you won't go fast regardless how tiny you are.[/QUOTE]I really don't know why you are spending time about that sport, we all know they are all doped.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550295]Nice try to change the subject. That Bernal or Froome climb faster than Sagan is irrelevant, I never said otherwise. It is just a fact that on any climb Sagan will destroy you, including any long steep climb.

You said you are 25 kg lighter than Sagan and you said that he can't be 78 kg because you know anatomy. I provided plenty of links from cycling media putting him between 73 kg and 80 kg depending on the season.

So, do you weigh 48 kg or maximum 55 kg?

Yes, weight is important, but not everything. On long climbs it's all about W / kg. If your FTP is 150 W you won't go fast regardless how tiny you are.[/QUOTE]I was happy about my speed in Loze I discovered on last Summer and made many mistakes but now I know, compare to his, following gruppetto to finish on time, when he was already far behind after la Madeleine. I would be interested to see his speed in Zoncolan or Mortirolo. He is paid for, running 20/30 000 kms per year, when I do only for passion, I didn't run any kilometer since end of October, climbing only around 1000 kms per year, but pleasure for me when very difficult for him. Look how look a guy who is 1,84 and 75 kgs, quite slim, not Sagan, he would climb faster, when he is not able. I will start my season with Col Iseran 2765 meters high, not so bad, not difficult but good to make oxygen in blood. High ranked on tour de France.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2550203]You do not do DATY but I am going to disclose a secret to other readers. I learnt this technique from Masters and Johnson many decades ago. It involves licking the clit with the tip of the tongue for a good 15 minutes or so (I'm more talking of a serpent flick rather than a canine lick), that drives even the tamest women wild. I also try to be the girl's first client for the day, that helps. I do not always do it but when in the mood and with the right girl I do.[/QUOTE]It is great you actually bother to pleasure prostitutes for good 15 minutes, but in brothel, I prefer she suck my dick for good 15 minutes than me bother to do 15 minutes as DATY is more mental pleasure for me where as BBBJ is both mental and physical pleasure as I am the receiving end, in one hour session I have some girls doing around 40 to 45 minutes BBBJ on me and I just love looking at how they lick, suck my dick with different technique and me directing her what to do like use tongue, use cheek, deep throat, spit on it etc. One thing I love about FKK is that you can do what you want and be the director of whatever you feel like doing without thinking about her pleasure, but my pleasure!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2550316]I really don't know why you are spending time about that sport, we all know they are all doped.[/QUOTE]All sports have dopers, it's just that in sports where there is skill the relative importance of doping is lower.

I most definitely wouldn't be proud of having a cyclist climber body at 50 kg (when having wet hair) and insufficient upper body strength to open a jar of pickles.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550318]I was happy about my speed in Loze I discovered on last Summer and made many mistakes but now I know, compare to his, following gruppetto to finish on time, when he was already far behind after la Madeleine. I would be interested to see his speed in Zoncolan or Mortirolo. He is paid for, running 20/30 000 kms per year, when I do only for passion, I didn't run any kilometer since end of October, climbing only around 1000 kms per year, but pleasure for me when very difficult for him. Look how look a guy who is 1,84 and 75 kgs, quite slim, not Sagan, he would climb faster, when he is not able. I will start my season with Col Iseran 2765 meters high, not so bad, not difficult but good to make oxygen in blood. High ranked on tour de France.[/QUOTE]LOL, 1000 km cycling per year. My grandma did more than that going to the market to buy tomatoes. The estimate of 150 W FTP is then pretty close.

Just FYI, you don't make oxygen in the blood. Look in some 9th grade biology book.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550318]I was happy about my speed in Loze I discovered on last Summer and made many mistakes but now I know, compare to his, following gruppetto to finish on time [/QUOTE]I would be more than happy to compare, just send the Strava files. Like every cyclist knows, if it's not on Strava it didn't happen.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2550316]I really don't know why you are spending time about that sport, we all know they are all doped.[/QUOTE]I don't use doping, but my rage from my passion, always pushing limits, feeling inside my body, and so relaxing when you exhausted your body. But you need mental for this. Mental is a real strength and to learn about yourself, achieving what you never thought you would be able to. Interesting to work for this.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2550203]You do not do DATY but I am going to disclose a secret to other readers. I learnt this technique from Masters and Johnson many decades ago. It involves licking the clit with the tip of the tongue for a good 15 minutes or so (I'm more talking of a serpent flick rather than a canine lick), that drives even the tamest women wild. I also try to be the girl's first client for the day, that helps. I do not always do it but when in the mood and with the right girl I do.[/QUOTE]Who said you can't teach a dog new tricks.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550297]Aha, your eyes can decide if somebody can climb or not, I wonder why then they bother racing, when they could just ask you.

Here is a car analogy for you, you get a car with a 50 HP engine and you race against a car which has 400 HP engine. Your 50 HP car is lighter, do you think it is enough to be faster than the 400 HP car?[/QUOTE]Just for joke, did you hear about Monte Carlo? And mini winning there, or A110 defeating more powerful Porsche 911. Now take a WRC and Panamera turbo S on a mountain road, which do you think will be faster? And pretty sure even with a WRC 2. I maybe be better about girls, but my eyes, even often burned in mountains, can see about height even when heels and weight, and I also know round muscles are heavy and less efficient than long ones for resistance. When You look at Davide Formolo, even too fragile, but he has the look for climbing, I don t see for Sagan and his results talk about him in mountains, Poggio and Huy may be his maximum. I don t drive for this, but I m able to drive whole night from Paris, when not far from Venezia, to Zoncolan. As I always told one here, I would never go to Wellcum if I didn't go for Zoncolan, paradise or hell for climber.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550506]Just for joke, did you hear about Monte Carlo? And mini winning there, or A110 defeating more powerful Porsche 911. Now take a WRC and Panamera turbo S on a mountain road, which do you think will be faster? And pretty sure even with a WRC 2. I maybe be better about girls, but my eyes, even often burned in mountains, can see about height even when heels and weight, and I also know round muscles are heavy and less efficient than long ones for resistance. When You look at Davide Formolo, even too fragile, but he has the look for climbing, I don t see for Sagan and his results talk about him in mountains, Poggio and Huy may be his maximum. I don t drive for this, but I m able to drive whole night from Paris, when not far from Venezia, to Zoncolan. As I always told one here, I would never go to Wellcum if I didn't go for Zoncolan, paradise or hell for climber.[/QUOTE]You are not WRC, you are Dacia Sandero.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550425]I would be more than happy to compare, just send the Strava files. Like every cyclist knows, if it's not on Strava it didn't happen.[/QUOTE]You can't say I didn't write often I look forward seeing you and your bald fat French reading all of me, on your carbon light bicycles climbing with me on my alloy french bicycle. On Loze above Meribel with some steeper than 20% parts, we could compare our speeds with Sagan in gruppetto. My tip: a real wall on top above 2400 meters high, they don't climb on 28 on rear on tour de France. I look forward improving on this Summer, when now I know the profile, when I discovered like a real tourist and after superb Cormet Roselend. Let s see there, just for real, no car can go, only for bicycles. In Zoncolan, other motorbikes than trial type don't go because too steep, guys could not hold motorbike in such steep if they had to stop.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550425]I would be more than happy to compare, just send the Strava files. Like every cyclist knows, if it's not on Strava it didn't happen.[/QUOTE]Nothing beat French ego mania and hallucination mental patient from France, so be aware of what kind of ego mania in hallucination you are facing LOL!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550578]You are not WRC, you are Dacia Sandero.[/QUOTE]Given the age, more like a Peugeot 204.900 kg and 60 HP.

News flash: they use rabbit vibrators that gets them off as reliably as men do. Hookers think horny men are fools as a starting point, and doubly foolish licking their well stretched twat and paying them about EUR 2 a minute. They moan and carry on as acting.

Me: cock in their delicate little mouth until just before their jaw seizes, then blast my load of tadpoles in their mouth. That is their line of business, otherwise anal mish and totally for my pleasure. Many women get horny being explicitly treated as a **** and manhandles, providing no nasty words or aggression, but at the same time they are made to serve the master. They do not respect punters, and if you were in their heels you would think the same after the 5th cock jammed in your mouth and puppy love, goggle eyes punters will all the blood downstairs and bigger brain impaired. They are even more contemptuous to think you really have a chance to "connect". This is a fun hobby, but don't forget the essence of the transaction. They are there for $$, not love, pleasure or guys pretending to care when ultimately they want to fuck you for cash.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2550783]News flash: they use rabbit vibrators that gets them off as reliably as men do. Hookers think horny men are fools as a starting point, and doubly foolish licking their well stretched twat and paying them about EUR 2 a minute. They moan and carry on as acting.

Me: cock in their delicate little mouth until just before their jaw seizes, then blast my load of tadpoles in their mouth. That is their line of business, otherwise anal mish and totally for my pleasure. Many women get horny being explicitly treated as a **** and manhandles, providing no nasty words or aggression, but at the same time they are made to serve the master. They do not respect punters, and if you were in their heels you would think the same after the 5th cock jammed in your mouth and puppy love, goggle eyes punters will all the blood downstairs and bigger brain impaired. They are even more contemptuous to think you really have a chance to "connect". This is a fun hobby, but don't forget the essence of the transaction. They are there for $$, not love, pleasure or guys pretending to care when ultimately they want to fuck you for cash.[/QUOTE]Fair criticism and probably good advice but I'll add my contrarian experience anyway.

I keep up with a few ex-FKK WGs. One has been "retired" for over 4 years and living in Italy. With another, I have never even had a session. I suspect that the others may actually return to the business one day. The point is that we maintain some correspondence, either for holiday / travel advice, medical advice, or just to gossip about some old drama. The commonality is that I met these girls when they were 19-22 while they new to the business. They were also not my club "favorites" so any personal infatuation did not influence my behavior toward them.

Do I expect that we remain life-long friends? Not anymore than with any civilian girl in my life, but not any less either.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550943]Fair criticism and probably good advice but I'll add my contrarian experience anyway.

I keep up with a few ex-FKK WGs. One has been "retired" for over 4 years and living in Italy. With another, I have never even had a session. I suspect that the others may actually return to the business one day. The point is that we maintain some correspondence, either for holiday / travel advice, medical advice, or just to gossip about some old drama. The commonality is that I met these girls when they were 19-22 while they new to the business. They were also not my club "favorites" so any personal infatuation did not influence my behavior toward them.

Do I expect that we remain life-long friends? Not anymore than with any civilian girl in my life, but not any less either.[/QUOTE]What is the point having conversation with prostitutes outside brothel? I stalk some of my former regulars and regulars on SNS for jerking off purposes, but I would never want to communicate with them outside brothel as I got friends to do that with whom I cannot talk about mongering hobby of mine with, but that I can do here on forum! But with prostitutes, I do chat a bit in FKK with them, but that is 20 % of conversation, 80 % are more like deep throat me, or put your tongue in my ass or use tongue to stimulate me here etc If you call that conversation, but it is sexual communication LOL!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2550783]News flash: they use rabbit vibrators that gets them off as reliably as men do. Hookers think horny men are fools as a starting point, and doubly foolish licking their well stretched twat and paying them about EUR 2 a minute. They moan and carry on as acting.

Me: cock in their delicate little mouth until just before their jaw seizes, then blast my load of tadpoles in their mouth. That is their line of business, otherwise anal mish and totally for my pleasure. Many women get horny being explicitly treated as a **** and manhandles, providing no nasty words or aggression, but at the same time they are made to serve the master. They do not respect punters, and if you were in their heels you would think the same after the 5th cock jammed in your mouth and puppy love, goggle eyes punters will all the blood downstairs and bigger brain impaired. They are even more contemptuous to think you really have a chance to "connect". This is a fun hobby, but don't forget the essence of the transaction. They are there for $$, not love, pleasure or guys pretending to care when ultimately they want to fuck you for cash.[/QUOTE]

Fair criticism. But I guess the debate will never end as mongers have their own preference. Some mongers see DATY is more important than BBBJ. For some people DATY like eating an exotic meat especially when the meats still pink, tender and juicy. It is all to do of having a chance to see and taste that nice juicy part in a closer distance that is hidden all the time. It nothing to do with seeking chance to "connect" and/or showing love, affection.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2551413]Fair criticism. But I guess the debate will never end as mongers have their own preference. Some mongers see DATY is more important than BBBJ. For some people DATY like eating an exotic meat especially when the meats still pink, tender and juicy. It is all to do of having a chance to see and taste that nice juicy part in a closer distance that is hidden all the time. It nothing to do with seeking chance to "connect" and/or showing love, affection.[/QUOTE]Some of the FKK clubs are listed as businesses in the Gastronomy area (FKK Sharks -registered as WSC GmBH: [URL]https://implisense.com/en/companies/wsc-gmbh-mainaschaff-DENFR1SI2R78[/URL]), I guess it is a correct classification if you consider how much DATY and CIM occur in such a premise on a daily basis! LOL.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2551432]Some of the FKK clubs are listed as businesses in the Gastronomy area (FKK Sharks -registered as WSC GmBH: [URL]https://implisense.com/en/companies/wsc-gmbh-mainaschaff-DENFR1SI2R78[/URL]), I guess it is a correct classification if you consider how much DATY and CIM occur in such a premise on a daily basis! LOL.[/QUOTE]That is about right because FKK is gastronomy area for me, I eat pussy in alla carte style LOL! As for food, I hate the normal food, but I eat and taste young stunner girls there from all over the world LOL!

Young stunner also eat my sausages and my anal, so I guess it is gastronomy for both parties LOL! Then she go home to say she enjoyed nice sausages in Germany at German gastronomy restaurants in Germany LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2551360]What is the point having conversation with prostitutes outside brothel? I stalk some of my former regulars and regulars on SNS for jerking off purposes, but I would never want to communicate with them outside brothel as I got friends to do that with whom I cannot talk about mongering hobby of mine with, but that I can do here on forum! But with prostitutes, I do chat a bit in FKK with them, but that is 20 % of conversation, 80 % are more like deep throat me, or put your tongue in my ass or use tongue to stimulate me here etc If you call that conversation, but it is sexual communication LOL![/QUOTE]Why speak with prostitutes outside of a brothel?

I like talking to all sorts of people. And the right prostitutes can be quite interesting people, having a much more free mind than the average salary man. While I don't mind and am fully comfortable speaking with the most educated people in society: Senior physicians, Hospital Admins with MBAs, bench researchers with PhDs, Public Health officials and politicians, legal guys, biomed engineers, data analysts, etc etc etc, the most enjoyable conversations are usually with people who come from more modest backgrounds. For me, people born out of struggle are usually much more interesting than people who have lived comfortable and secure lives.

To be honest, even without the fucking, they're just more fun and pleasant to be around than the average salary man or woman.

It also helps when they're hot.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2551432]Some of the FKK clubs are listed as businesses in the Gastronomy area (FKK Sharks -registered as WSC GmBH: [URL]https://implisense.com/en/companies/wsc-gmbh-mainaschaff-DENFR1SI2R78[/URL]), I guess it is a correct classification if you consider how much DATY and CIM occur in such a premise on a daily basis! LOL.[/QUOTE]


Well, all FKKs are indeed Gastronomies as you could have food and drink for the whole day. But In addition, you could have a specialist menu e. G. , "exotic meat from around the world". For the girls they could have meat sausages around the world to taste.

For mongers not inclusive to taste those exotic meats obviously. For some people eating exotic meat are already part of their diet. I myself prefer these meats to be pink, tender and juicy.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551603]Why speak with prostitutes outside of a brothel?

I like talking to all sorts of people. And the right prostitutes can be quite interesting people, having a much more free mind than the average salary man. While I don't mind and am fully comfortable speaking with the most educated people in society: Senior physicians, Hospital Admins with MBAs, bench researchers with PhDs, Public Health officials and politicians, legal guys, biomed engineers, data analysts, etc etc etc, the most enjoyable conversations are usually with people who come from more modest backgrounds. For me, people born out of struggle are usually much more interesting than people who have lived comfortable and secure lives.

To be honest, even without the fucking, they're just more fun and pleasant to be around than the average salary man or woman.

It also helps when they're hot.[/QUOTE]I agree that some FKK girls I met are interesting, but I keep what happens in FKK in FKK, and only thing I take out of FKK is memories and also their photos via sns or whatsapp so I can jerk off now and then to the photo with memories attached LOL!

However, I do miss some of them when they are gone for good, but it is not personal attachment! What happened in FKK stay in FKK for me, but each their own!

When I can claim to be a weekly repeating specialist, I might have about 10 girls for more than 25 hours, I got most of the prettiest, some really lovely with one at LR asking me a photo, so I told her: take a photo if You want, but she wanted I gave her photo I chose, some really enjoyable like my masterpiece at LR I improved from her low level on discovery to becoming the best for me, really good job like when preparing my cars, some with real charm like legendary Katalina, some with real aura like Ella Oase, some wow beauties like Berliner Leana at Palace, but so few were interesting to chat with, for me, so when I find a Kate or LR good surprise I really liked out of room, for her behavior after discovering her and to speak about her woman intimacy, which is the most interesting for me with these girls, when I don t look for love in brothels nor with escorts. But normal women have so higher charm and level, and much more interesting to chat with, when you like women. Brothels worth for me because easy, fast and no consequences, when I think to be clever enough not to make pregnant a prostitute. Also never caught anything bad from any girl, but I don t go with girls who provide risk to everybody and not only in AO RTC.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2551687]Well, all FKKs are indeed Gastronomies as you could have food and drink for the whole day. But In addition, you could have a specialist menu e. G. , "exotic meat from around the world". For the girls they could have meat sausages around the world to taste.

For mongers not inclusive to taste those exotic meats obviously. For some people eating exotic meat are already part of their diet. I myself prefer these meats to be pink, tender and juicy.[/QUOTE]Gastronomy vagina LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551954]When I can claim to be a weekly repeating specialist, I might have about 10 girls for more than 25 hours, I got most of the prettiest, some really lovely with one at LR asking me a photo, so I told her: take a photo if You want, but she wanted I gave her photo I chose, some really enjoyable like my masterpiece at LR I improved from her low level on discovery to becoming the best for me, really good job like when preparing my cars, some with real charm like legendary Katalina, some with real aura like Ella Oase, some wow beauties like Berliner Leana at Palace, but so few were interesting to chat with, for me, so when I find a Kate or LR good surprise I really liked out of room, for her behavior after discovering her and to speak about her woman intimacy, which is the most interesting for me with these girls, when I don t look for love in brothels nor with escorts. But normal women have so higher charm and level, and much more interesting to chat with, when you like women. Brothels worth for me because easy, fast and no consequences, when I think to be clever enough not to make pregnant a prostitute. Also never caught anything bad from any girl, but I don t go with girls who provide risk to everybody and not only in AO RTC.[/QUOTE]You don't have girls, the girls have you. I will never understand why a Latin lover like you is going with prostitutes. You are the best fucker in the world, the best driver, the best sportsman, Warren Buffet is afraid that 1 day you will start to be active on the stock market because he will be look ridiculous compare to you. In German we say " Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung", sorry impossible to translate.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551603]Why speak with prostitutes outside of a brothel?

I like talking to all sorts of people. And the right prostitutes can be quite interesting people, having a much more free mind than the average salary man. [/QUOTE]Translation: our CCP lockdown & vaccine troll has no life and friends of his own!

That's why he (and his other usernames) and the mountain-climbing 007 Frenchman are on this forum 24/7. LOL!

[QUOTE=NotSavvy;2491246]Good choice.

Unfortunately Lena was taken in all the time on the sofa by the Germans before going to room and Janinne was well locked up by her fans on a sofa next to the entrance. Nastya was more affordable even though she was in high demand. She is not just model look, she was a model before Sharks and became a model again after Sharks.[/QUOTE]Do you (or does anyone) know if Nastya does escort now? She was my all time favorite at Sharks.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552046]Translation: our CCP lockdown & vaccine troll has no life and friends of his own!

That's why he (and his other usernames) and the mountain-climbing 007 Frenchman are on this forum 24/7. LOL![/QUOTE]Yep, very little social life going on 13 months now. But I'm more fluent in Spanish and almost done restoring a 1993 40th Anniversary cherry red LT4 corvette though! Doing interior work yourself blows.

[QUOTE=Hktj26;2552056]Do you (or does anyone) know if Nastya does escort now? She was my all time favorite at Sharks.[/QUOTE]Goddammit she was so sexy. DM me for her IG if you want. She doesn't post anymore but is active on Live Stories.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2552041]You don't have girls, the girls have you. I will never understand why a Latin lover like you is going with prostitutes. You are the best fucker in the world, the best driver, the best sportsman, Warren Buffet is afraid that 1 day you will start to be active on the stock market because he will be look ridiculous compare to you. In German we say " Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung", sorry impossible to translate.[/QUOTE]I don't understand German, but I remember Gary Lineker, famous UK football player, sentence in 90's: German always win at the end, but times changed, not anymore. As I said: FKK are easy, fast and with no consequences, at least for me. I may become too lazy for a normal woman, even I know my real personal reason is different. For sure, I don't go to brothels just to empty balls, but also not to find love, but I love to play love in bed and real reactions when you are able to give real orgasm, when You are able to notice if real or fake. When I think it s fake, then I stop, I don't want to waste my time and money, I prefer to lose only 50 . For sure, even without 2 last Winters to make oxygen, so I wish for a bit of very extreme Summer ski to make oxygen to prepare, but I will only go to try to make my best to improve my records, my only motivation, to always push more and more my limits. When you are healthy, you perform better and better for resistance, when getting older, just will have to manage about anemia after 10/15 climbing days, wish for not too much thermic shocks, no falls and not too much tachycardia which is exhausting, to make my Summer great, after so frustrating 2 last Winters with only 2 ski days when had almost bad snow.

[QUOTE=Hktj26;2552056]Do you (or does anyone) know if Nastya does escort now? She was my all time favorite at Sharks.[/QUOTE]She was my favorite too. I would love to see her again.

She was a Miss at some Fashion TV thing and suddenly was gone at Sharks. I heard that her parents were searching her and took her out by police.

I can not imagine she is still in Germany. I had her Contacts but never reached her again.

Hi Everyone,

I hope all of you ok. And hope we didn't loose any mongerers due to Covid. Myself had the English Variant one month ago, spend one week in hospital. And when my fever was 39 °C , guess what was I dreaming. . Yes, you are right. Another FKK travel to Germany. How is vaccination in Germany? Sorry I am asking a repeated question but I was already planning a holiday in 13th-16Th May and I am curious main big clubs like Sharks, Oase will be opened or not on that date. What is your predictions?

[QUOTE=Toto001;2552282]She was my favorite too. I would love to see her again.

She was a Miss at some Fashion TV thing and suddenly was gone at Sharks. I heard that her parents were searching her and took her out by police.

I can not imagine she is still in Germany. I had her Contacts but never reached her again.[/QUOTE]You mean her parents sent police to Sharks for her? Because I was told a mother came to Sharks to find her daughter and found her there, for tears at Sharks. Anyway can only be happy for her, her parents take care to protect their daughter, when many families know but close eyes for money. Can only be happy if she returned to a normal life for a woman, even model business don t seem to pay much in Romania, maybe why she tried to make more money in brothels.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552363]Hi Everyone,

I hope all of you ok. And hope we didn't loose any mongerers due to Covid. Myself had the English Variant one month ago, spend one week in hospital. And when my fever was 39 C , guess what was I dreaming. . Yes, you are right. Another FKK travel to Germany. How is vaccination in Germany? Sorry I am asking a repeated question but I was already planning a holiday in 13th-16Th May and I am curious main big clubs like Sharks, Oase will be opened or not on that date. What is your predictions?[/QUOTE]For mid May, Switzerland or Spain, but 0 in Germany, or only Kaufmich or Lady. De.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552363]Hi Everyone,

I hope all of you ok. And hope we didn't loose any mongerers due to Covid. Myself had the English Variant one month ago, spend one week in hospital. And when my fever was 39 C , guess what was I dreaming. . Yes, you are right. Another FKK travel to Germany. How is vaccination in Germany? Sorry I am asking a repeated question but I was already planning a holiday in 13th-16Th May and I am curious main big clubs like Sharks, Oase will be opened or not on that date. What is your predictions?[/QUOTE]If you are speaking about may 2021, I think that the chances that the FKK will be open are around 5% to be positive but more probably 0%. May be 2022 but I will not give more than 50% chances.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552363] 13th-16Th May and I am curious main big clubs like Sharks, Oase will be opened or not on that date. What is your predictions?[/QUOTE]May 2022 perhaps...

[QUOTE=MrHo;2551709]I agree that some FKK girls I met are interesting, but I keep what happens in FKK in FKK, and only thing I take out of FKK is memories and also their photos via sns or whatsapp so I can jerk off now and then to the photo with memories attached LOL!

However, I do miss some of them when they are gone for good, but it is not personal attachment! What happened in FKK stay in FKK for me, but each their own![/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. Although I do have a select few friends with whom I had a few outragous nights out at both FKK, strip clubs and other kinds of brothels in different countries, I also have my own space for FKK. I mean, I sometimes like to do a girl in the cinema or in the garden rather publicly. Thats not really the sort of thing I would do in front of friends. Mostly I go to FKK alone, and I don't tell anyone before or after (present forum excluded, obviously).

I have only one friend with whom I have even done a long private party with 6 girls at an FKK. But we know each other that well, so not emabarrased to sessionright in front of each other, and having a laugh at the same time.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2552397]May 2022 perhaps...[/QUOTE]Quite wize, when heat will return on 2022 , for Germany when knowing their situation under second and third wave, but Switzerland is starting to reopen some brothels and Austria should under warm Summer. Also Spain, maybe 6 ens NL like on last Summer.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2552403]Totally agree with you. Although I do have a select few friends with whom I had a few outragous nights out at both FKK, strip clubs and other kinds of brothels in different countries, I also have my own space for FKK. I mean, I sometimes like to do a girl in the cinema or in the garden rather publicly. Thats not really the sort of thing I would do in front of friends. Mostly I go to FKK alone, and I don't tell anyone before or after (present forum excluded, obviously).

I have only one friend with whom I have even done a long private party with 6 girls at an FKK. But we know each other that well, so not emabarrased to sessionright in front of each other, and having a laugh at the same time.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have friends to enjoy the conversation and I do not need prostitutes to enjoy conversation outside or mostly inside FKK too. For me prostitutes are there to comfort me sexually meaning not just sex, but I also pay them to go a way after sex, it does not mean I do not like some of them or look down on them, but I do not need them in certain way in my life! If I want the girl I had sex with to stay I do that in private life, but usually I do not want to girls to stay in my life too long after sex, it just is not my thing, so I love FKK, I fuck them and they go away with smile and if I want them to come back, they come back with smile as long as there is 50 euro per 30 min is paid LOL!

I have very few friends who knows about my mongering like my eastern European friends who hook me up with the best of best mother Russia can offer to men LOL! I need their help for that as it is kinda hard to find best of best stunner I look for there, but other than that nobody know about FKK part of mongering! They think I actually like Germany as I mysteriously frequent there LOL! I keep it this way!

I just have this secret life that is beyond what men can hope for and I am glad, I rose up to my occasion, research and decided to go for it to take a shot to see if this thing called German FKK is worth it! And it amazingly was LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2552390]If you are speaking about may 2021, I think that the chances that the FKK will be open are around 5% to be positive but more probably 0%. May be 2022 but I will not give more than 50% chances.[/QUOTE]I agree for 0% for Germany on May 2021. Maybe 5% for this Summer, in Saarland, and let s say 10% on this year, when new mutants after UK, arrived, when Bavaria need to buy sputnik and close borders, when elections coming and I'm pretty sure Germans will vote for more safety, and Bavarian is working for this to be elected for after Angela.

[QUOTE=Toto001;2552282]She was my favorite too. I would love to see her again.

She was a Miss at some Fashion TV thing and suddenly was gone at Sharks. I heard that her parents were searching her and took her out by police.

I can not imagine she is still in Germany. I had her Contacts but never reached her again.[/QUOTE]Her parent came to FKK sharks to rescue her? How does that took place? Maybe her friend back home could have told the parent as the friend was worried, other wise, where about the girl is too hard for outsider to reach, but wow, it must have been some crazy scene!

I hope it was not after she has been used and abused too much for years!

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552363]Hi Everyone,

I hope all of you ok. And hope we didn't loose any mongerers due to Covid. Myself had the English Variant one month ago, spend one week in hospital. And when my fever was 39 C , guess what was I dreaming. . Yes, you are right. Another FKK travel to Germany. How is vaccination in Germany? Sorry I am asking a repeated question but I was already planning a holiday in 13th-16Th May and I am curious main big clubs like Sharks, Oase will be opened or not on that date. What is your predictions?[/QUOTE]How was the experiencing covid 19 like? Was it bad as they say or? Glad to know you came back alive to live another day as a monger LOL!

Guys, which FKK in Germany had the most beautiful girls?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2552603]Guys, which FKK in Germany had the most beautiful girls?[/QUOTE]When this is over, the covid, I'm going to fly into Vienna, Go to the FKK's there, Worked my way through Austria, Swing up To Germany, Frankfurt Dusseldorf Cologne, Then head down to Spain, Barcelona costa del sol, then, take a cruise ship home, Stopping at St. Maarten, They just have to be beauty in my eyes.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2552603]Guys, which FKK in Germany had the most beautiful girls?[/QUOTE]FKK Sharks and FKK Palace for me.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2552462]Yeah, I have friends to enjoy the conversation and I do not need prostitutes to enjoy conversation outside or mostly inside FKK too. For me prostitutes are there to comfort me sexually meaning not just sex, but I also pay them to go a way after sex, it does not mean I do not like some of them or look down on them, but I do not need them in certain way in my life! If I want the girl I had sex with to stay I do that in private life, but usually I do not want to girls to stay in my life too long after sex, it just is not my thing, so I love FKK, I fuck them and they go away with smile and if I want them to come back, they come back with smile as long as there is 50 euro per 30 min is paid LOL!

I have very few friends who knows about my mongering like my eastern European friends who hook me up with the best of best mother Russia can offer to men LOL! I need their help for that as it is kinda hard to find best of best stunner I look for there, but other than that nobody know about FKK part of mongering! They think I actually like Germany as I mysteriously frequent there LOL! I keep it this way!

I just have this secret life that is beyond what men can hope for and I am glad, I rose up to my occasion, research and decided to go for it to take a shot to see if this thing called German FKK is worth it! And it amazingly was LOL![/QUOTE]Yes, in USA we say that we don't pay to fuck them, we pay them for them to leave afterwards.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552405]Quite wize, when heat will return on 2022 , for Germany when knowing their situation under second and third wave, but Switzerland is starting to reopen some brothels and Austria should under warm Summer. Also Spain, maybe 6 ens NL like on last Summer.[/QUOTE]Really disappointing news. The vaccine found in Germany by a Turkish couple and USA and Israel has the highest vaccination rate. It is really weird. Another discussion is; if the vaccination rate in Germany would be high enough they would open the FKK's or not?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2552589]How was the experiencing covid 19 like? Was it bad as they say or? Glad to know you came back alive to live another day as a monger LOL![/QUOTE]Thanks for your good wishes. I am just laughing at people who say; "Oh I think I had the disease before because last month I had a small throat ache and felt a little bit weakness for a few days" . If you had it, you would definitely become aware that it is something else than flu. I never had fever for 8 days continuously due to Flu or another disease. It is hitting you on the ground. It was also another problem to find a hospital bed in Turkey in covid service. It was really a psychological challenge for me. But just gone. I am ok now.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2552603]Guys, which FKK in Germany had the most beautiful girls?[/QUOTE]I have always been a fan of Oase and Artemis. There was a time when World was all that too, but that was a long time ago. I know lots of guys will say Sharks, but that club has never worked for me. One of those things. Although, I think it's better than Mainhattan, where I have not sessioned in a very, very long time. If I had to go with one, I would say my consistent favorite over time for hotties with top notch performance would be Oase.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552667]Really disappointing news. The vaccine found in Germany by a Turkish couple and USA and Israel has the highest vaccination rate. It is really weird. Another discussion is; if the vaccination rate in Germany would be high enough they would open the FKK's or not?

Thanks for your good wishes. I am just laughing at people who say; "Oh I think I had the disease before because last month I had a small throat ache and felt a little bit weakness for a few days" . If you had it, you would definitely become aware that it is something else than flu. I never had fever for 8 days continuously due to Flu or another disease. It is hitting you on the ground. It was also another problem to find a hospital bed in Turkey in covid service. It was really a psychological challenge for me. But just gone. I am ok now.[/QUOTE]You have many asymptomatic people, for example my brother has a very good antibody rate but never felt sick.

[QUOTE=Sailor501;2552607]When this is over, the covid, I'm going to fly into Vienna, Go to the FKK's there, Worked my way through Austria, Swing up To Germany, Frankfurt Dusseldorf Cologne, Then head down to Spain, Barcelona costa del sol, then, take a cruise ship home, Stopping at St. Maarten, They just have to be beauty in my eyes.[/QUOTE]Super plan. I want to go too. Although a Europe to Brazil cruise would really make this the mongering trip of a lifetime.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552682]Super plan. I want to go too. Although a Europe to Brazil cruise would really make this the mongering trip of a lifetime.[/QUOTE]Can't you go from US to Brazil? Shorter trip.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2552603]Guys, which FKK in Germany had the most beautiful girls?[/QUOTE]I saw clubs up for casting and falling. When you compare Sharks on 2015/2016 with much less girls but prettier than on 2017 and after, when sometimes more than 200 girls on some Fridays or Saturdays, and couldn't find one for me. I remember History on December 2016 on a Saturday evening, 17 girls and I desired 5, but had only time for 2, avoiding previous regular Mady who moved to Oase. On 2019, prettier and more natural girls for me at Oase than Globe, great year at Oase. On 2020, some girls moved to other club.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2552668]I have always been a fan of Oase and Artemis. There was a time when World was all that too, but that was a long time ago. I know lots of guys will say Sharks, but that club has never worked for me. One of those things. Although, I think it's better than Mainhattan, where I have not sessioned in a very, very long time. If I had to go with one, I would say my consistent favorite over time for hotties with top notch performance would be Oase.[/QUOTE]Tend to agree with you. I have never been to Sharks as its not too convenient location for me, but my impression on the LU has always been somewhat in favor of Oase, not that I have been there too many times. I pass through Berlin often, so clearly my most visited place is Artemis, and always find good looking girls. Even if the best lookers tend to be rather occupied. And between sessions theres always some candy for the eyes. Could be nice if they and other FKKs had some real ebony beauties for variety. The odd ebonies mostly arent worth looking at. In comparison, places like Doll House in Barcelona had some real black stunners with ass all over the place.

So fix that and throw in a few good redheads with puffy nips and I will move there permanently.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2552462]
I have very few friends who knows about my mongering like my eastern European friends who hook me up with the best of best mother Russia can offer to men LOL! I need their help for that as it is kinda hard to find best of best stunner I look for there, but other than that nobody know about FKK part of mongering! They think I actually like Germany as I mysteriously frequent there LOL! I keep it this way![/QUOTE]Russia! Yes sir. Thats still on my bucket list.

At least 8 out of my 10 best mongering experiences are with Russian babes.

Apparently in St Petersburg, you can get a supermodel all-nighter for less than 200 bucks. 30 for an hour.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552682]Super plan. I want to go too. Although a Europe to Brazil cruise would really make this the mongering trip of a lifetime.[/QUOTE]Norwegian Cruise line has a cruise From Lisbon to Rio, prices are good.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552714]Can't you go from US to Brazil? Shorter trip.[/QUOTE]Big countries so departure and arrival cities factor.

From my city it is 9 hrs to Frankfurt and 11 hrs to Rio.

From a northern city such as New York, it is less than 8 hours to Frankfurt and 12.5 to Rio.

From the most southern city, Miami is 8 hrs and 20 minutes to Rio and 9.5 to Frankfurt.

Northern Brazil may be closer but not looking for jungle hookers in Manaus. Probably no direct flights there anyway so it may take even longer.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552667]Really disappointing news. The vaccine found in Germany by a Turkish couple and USA and Israel has the highest vaccination rate. It is really weird. Another discussion is; if the vaccination rate in Germany would be high enough they would open the FKK's or not?

Thanks for your good wishes. I am just laughing at people who say; "Oh I think I had the disease before because last month I had a small throat ache and felt a little bit weakness for a few days" . If you had it, you would definitely become aware that it is something else than flu. I never had fever for 8 days continuously due to Flu or another disease. It is hitting you on the ground. It was also another problem to find a hospital bed in Turkey in covid service. It was really a psychological challenge for me. But just gone. I am ok now.[/QUOTE]Kung Flu is a strange gain of function virus. I personally know many people in US who ended up in hospital, but also many people who only felt crummy for a couple of days. I myself think I already had it, very odd pattern of intermittent headaches, low grade fever, and severe fatigue. Take lots of Vitamin "C", "D", and zinc, trinkt kein alkohol, gets lots of sleep, and hope they don't have blasters.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2552750]Russia! Yes sir. Thats still on my bucket list.

At least 8 out of my 10 best mongering experiences are with Russian babes.

Apparently in St Petersburg, you can get a supermodel all-nighter for less than 200 bucks. 30 for an hour.[/QUOTE]Eastern Europe is one of the best mongering experience I had when it comes to quality of girls and how it function for me most of time there when I ask for my friends who are from prominent position there to help is that, they got this beautiful house that function as Banya which is sauna and you go there to take sauna in private zone, eat there, chill, drink etc, and they bring the beautiful girls to there one after another and you choose the one you like and my friend paid, but it was 200 USD he was paying per girl per hour, so it was pricey for there, but girls are top model level, they do not speak almost any English though, but that is fine by me, I am there to fuck, not to talk LOL!

Without connection I only mongered once like that in Russia in Moscow as I wanted to fuck and it was like midnight, so I am not going to bother my friend at midnight, so I was staying at Ritz Carlton Moscow, I walk down the street and there is a bar called night flight I think it was called and I fetched the girl who I would rate 8 in FKK stunner standard and 7 comparison to what my friend helped me with (those are 9 or 10! And took it back to the hotel, it was 100 usd I think for 2 hours or something like that. She was good looking girl, but I stayed there for like one hour or two to find her! Apparently it was amazing in early 90's in that bar, I went in early 2000's, it was still good!

If you do not have connection, I never done this and only realize this after, but when I was staying in nice hotels in Moscow, I always noticed beautiful girls sitting at hotel bar alone and they seems to know the staff of the hotel well, I kind of think these girls are escort girls approved by hotel? I thought so as I saw same girls many times during my stay and they were always alone and were dressed up with full make up during day time already! But I could be wrong, so if you get big slap for asking how much? Do not blame me LOL!

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552667]Really disappointing news. The vaccine found in Germany by a Turkish couple and USA and Israel has the highest vaccination rate. It is really weird. Another discussion is; if the vaccination rate in Germany would be high enough they would open the FKK's or not?[/QUOTE]Israel paid the highest price per dose and they share all their data with Pfizer. USA just has the biggest economical and political power. Europe has to wait until USA doesn't need as many vaccines anymore. Biontech was a relatively small company, they had to partner with somebody for large scale trials, production and distribution.

An important experiment is happening in the UK, partially vaccinated population and people are storming the pubs. Depending how post vaccination numbers will look in the UK and US in a few months we could speculate how they will look in Europe with a delay of a few months. Then it depends on the politicians. Jens Spahn doesn't strike me as a particularly competent person.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552667]Really disappointing news. The vaccine found in Germany by a Turkish couple and USA and Israel has the highest vaccination rate. It is really weird. Another discussion is; if the vaccination rate in Germany would be high enough they would open the FKK's or not?

Thanks for your good wishes. I am just laughing at people who say; "Oh I think I had the disease before because last month I had a small throat ache and felt a little bit weakness for a few days" . If you had it, you would definitely become aware that it is something else than flu. I never had fever for 8 days continuously due to Flu or another disease. It is hitting you on the ground. It was also another problem to find a hospital bed in Turkey in covid service. It was really a psychological challenge for me. But just gone. I am ok now.[/QUOTE]Well live to die another day to fuck another beautiful stunner LOL! That got you back partly LOL! Glad to hard you found a hospital bed and wow so it is as bad as media say then!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2552639]Yes, in USA we say that we don't pay to fuck them, we pay them for them to leave afterwards.[/QUOTE]That for me is the biggest pro of FKK! You can just fuck and no strong attach to the extent we do not even know who we are! Well sometimes I do who these girls are LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2552679]You have many asymptomatic people, for example my brother has a very good antibody rate but never felt sick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2552794]Kung Flu is a strange gain of function virus. I personally know many people in US who ended up in hospital, but also many people who only felt crummy for a couple of days. I myself think I already had it, very odd pattern of intermittent headaches, low grade fever, and severe fatigue. Take lots of Vitamin "C", "D", and zinc, trinkt kein alkohol, gets lots of sleep, and hope they don't have blasters.[/QUOTE]It could be different variants. My brother also infected because of me and he had nearly the same symptoms but low intensity then mine. He is 8 years younger than me.

Anyway my problem is to find an alternative destination for mongering. Maybe I could realise my Rio dream but it doesn't make sense to waste my first Rio travel during pandemy. I think it will give me a wrong impression about the city. Maybe I can have chance with freebies there. Bad side is flight tickets are so expensive 6-8 times more than Germany tickets. Good side is no visa required. I don't know.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552926]Anyway my problem is to find an alternative destination for mongering. Maybe I could realise my Rio dream but it doesn't make sense to waste my first Rio travel during pandemy. I think it will give me a wrong impression about the city. Maybe I can have chance with freebies there. Bad side is flight tickets are so expensive 6-8 times more than Germany tickets. Good side is no visa required. I don't know.[/QUOTE]My advice would be to hold off until you can experience the "real" Brazil. Don't travel all of that distance to visit a country reeling with COVID. It's my favorite for mongering, but no plans to go until things settle down. And they will too. Patience. And one day again we both will be fucking hotties who are like brown rice, and others white as feta cheese.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2552926]It could be different variants. My brother also infected because of me and he had nearly the same symptoms but low intensity then mine. He is 8 years younger than me.

Anyway my problem is to find an alternative destination for mongering. Maybe I could realise my Rio dream but it doesn't make sense to waste my first Rio travel during pandemy. I think it will give me a wrong impression about the city. Maybe I can have chance with freebies there. Bad side is flight tickets are so expensive 6-8 times more than Germany tickets. Good side is no visa required. I don't know.[/QUOTE]Viral load during exposure also affects disease progression. (How much virus the person was shedding and how much time you were exposed).

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2552750]Russia! Yes sir. Thats still on my bucket list.

At least 8 out of my 10 best mongering experiences are with Russian babes.

Apparently in St Petersburg, you can get a supermodel all-nighter for less than 200 bucks. 30 for an hour.[/QUOTE]You can read on Russian threads but I don't think Peter and Moscow worth much anymore for paid sex, should be better in deep Russia, but you will need to speak Russian. Maybe more Kiev or other Ukrainian places, but not Odessa. Riga Latvia don't worth. Only about paid sex, of course, but worth to visit, very interesting countries and culture, Peter may be the most beautiful and interesting town for me.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2552801]Eastern Europe is one of the best mongering experience I had when it comes to quality of girls and how it function for me most of time there when I ask for my friends who are from prominent position there to help is that, they got this beautiful house that function as Banya which is sauna and you go there to take sauna in private zone, eat there, chill, drink etc, and they bring the beautiful girls to there one after another and you choose the one you like and my friend paid, but it was 200 USD he was paying per girl per hour, so it was pricey for there, but girls are top model level, they do not speak almost any English though, but that is fine by me, I am there to fuck, not to talk LOL!

Without connection I only mongered once like that in Russia in Moscow as I wanted to fuck and it was like midnight, so I am not going to bother my friend at midnight, so I was staying at Ritz Carlton Moscow, I walk down the street and there is a bar called night flight I think it was called and I fetched the girl who I would rate 8 in FKK stunner standard and 7 comparison to what my friend helped me with (those are 9 or 10! And took it back to the hotel, it was 100 usd I think for 2 hours or something like that. She was good looking girl, but I stayed there for like one hour or two to find her! Apparently it was amazing in early 90's in that bar, I went in early 2000's, it was still good!

If you do not have connection, I never done this and only realize this after, but when I was staying in nice hotels in Moscow, I always noticed beautiful girls sitting at hotel bar alone and they seems to know the staff of the hotel well, I kind of think these girls are escort girls approved by hotel? I thought so as I saw same girls many times during my stay and they were always alone and were dressed up with full make up during day time already! But I could be wrong, so if you get big slap for asking how much? Do not blame me LOL![/QUOTE]Single girls dressed up at the bar on multiple occasions is a dead giveaway, LOL. Must be WG. I will certainly pay attention to the hotel bars when I get to Moscow again some time.

If I ever get to St Petrsburg, I may try this too: [URL]https://rusprostitute.com/saint-petersburg[/URL] - lots of candy.

But you're right, Eastern Europe has some really nice mongering opportunities if you know where to look, but no FKK. I tried the sorry excuse for an FKK in Prague a couple of times, but quite a disappointment. There's nice escorts though, even pornstars sidelining. One time there some years ago I decided to create my own FKK-like experience for the hell of it, so I found an agency online with some good looking czech girls, called them and gave very detailed instruction that I wanted 2 girls for 3 hours. And that I wanted them to come to my hotel room wearing only sexy lingerie without panties under their coats. The girl I spoke to at the agency had good english and just laughed very nicely and said "that can be arranged". Didn't really know what to expect or whether the girls would look anything like the pictures, but I got some champagne from room service, donned the hotel bathrobe and one hour or so later they showed up. Exactly as ordered. They were maybe a 7+, but its was a great experience although a bit pricey. I like to have a look before I taste, and this way I got them naked straight away but still had a chance to talk and have laugh and enjoy looking at them, instead of just the usual escort wham-bam.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2553043]Single girls dressed up at the bar on multiple occasions is a dead giveaway, LOL. Must be WG. I will certainly pay attention to the hotel bars when I get to Moscow again some time.

If I ever get to St Petrsburg, I may try this too: [URL]https://rusprostitute.com/saint-petersburg[/URL] - lots of candy.

But you're right, Eastern Europe has some really nice mongering opportunities if you know where to look, but no FKK. I tried the sorry excuse for an FKK in Prague a couple of times, but quite a disappointment. There's nice escorts though, even pornstars sidelining. One time there some years ago I decided to create my own FKK-like experience for the hell of it, so I found an agency online with some good looking czech girls, called them and gave very detailed instruction that I wanted 2 girls for 3 hours. And that I wanted them to come to my hotel room wearing only sexy lingerie without panties under their coats. The girl I spoke to at the agency had good english and just laughed very nicely and said "that can be arranged". Didn't really know what to expect or whether the girls would look anything like the pictures, but I got some champagne from room service, donned the hotel bathrobe and one hour or so later they showed up. Exactly as ordered. They were maybe a 7+, but its was a great experience although a bit pricey. I like to have a look before I taste, and this way I got them naked straight away but still had a chance to talk and have laugh and enjoy looking at them, instead of just the usual escort wham-bam.[/QUOTE]Lucky you got yourself reasonably ladies instead of some sumo girls or elephant girls LOL! I do not put too much trust in people in this industry of mongering that is why I like German FKK, I can see who I fuck front of me before, I do make sure to do that under good lighting not under magic light of main bar LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2552930]My advice would be to hold off until you can experience the "real" Brazil. Don't travel all of that distance to visit a country reeling with COVID. It's my favorite for mongering, but no plans to go until things settle down. And they will too. Patience. And one day again we both will be fucking hotties who are like brown rice, and others white as feta cheese.[/QUOTE]You go there now and you are not coming back! They got wonderful president there who do over estimate the IQ of that region, so voila, they got they asked for! USA can afford president like Trump as the nation is big and intelligent enough, but Brazil cannot! It had horrible consequences!

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2552750]Russia! Yes sir. Thats still on my bucket list.

At least 8 out of my 10 best mongering experiences are with Russian babes.

Apparently in St Petersburg, you can get a supermodel all-nighter for less than 200 bucks. 30 for an hour.[/QUOTE]Any info on how to get a supermodel look alike all-nighter for less than 200 bucks. 30 for an hour?

I do not remember ever read such info on St Petersburg on russian forum and have not read about this?? I remember somene said about Ukraine is better than Russia to get stunners valur for money.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2554415]Any info on how to get a supermodel look alike all-nighter for less than 200 bucks. 30 for an hour?

I do not remember ever read such info on St Petersburg on russian forum and have not read about this?? I remember somene said about Ukraine is better than Russia to get stunners valur for money.[/QUOTE]You should be very lucky if you find now a Russian model look for cheap rate in Peter or Moscow, furthermore if You are not able to speak Russian. Should be easier in deep Siberia or Kamchatka or Oural, or in Ukraine misery, being killed by Putin, but also much easier when speaking Russian. If you don't speak Russian, then you are a tourist and may get for a tourist.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2554415]Any info on how to get a supermodel look alike all-nighter for less than 200 bucks. 30 for an hour?

I do not remember ever read such info on St Petersburg on russian forum and have not read about this?? I remember somene said about Ukraine is better than Russia to get stunners valur for money.[/QUOTE]Been to both, I personally prefer Ukrainian girl over Russian girl. My impression is that girls in Ukraine (Kiev) is more of a natural beauty direction stunner, where as Moscow, girls I had there were stunner, but pimped up beauty direction stunners. Either way, in all Eastern European nations, one need good friend thus contact to get real stunner of stunner, this is the impression I got because as I mentioned I mongered in Moscow both with connection and without, and girls quality did differ, I still got stunner, but it was 8 out of 10, but when my friend was involved it was 9 or 10 out of 10 stunner. I prefer Ukrainian girls over Russian girls.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2554447]Been to both, I personally prefer Ukrainian girl over Russian girl. My impression is that girls in Ukraine (Kiev) is more of a natural beauty direction stunner, where as Moscow, girls I had there were stunner, but pimped up beauty direction stunners. Either way, in all Eastern European nations, one need good friend thus contact to get real stunner of stunner, this is the impression I got because as I mentioned I mongered in Moscow both with connection and without, and girls quality did differ, I still got stunner, but it was 8 out of 10, but when my friend was involved it was 9 or 10 out of 10 stunner. I prefer Ukrainian girls over Russian girls.[/QUOTE]I agree Kiev girls are in general hotter than Moscow girls. But Russia is a massive country, and there are cities in Russia with hotter girls than both Moscow and st. P. The hottest Russian I ever did said she came from the south, but I failed at guessing the city she came from in the south, so I'm not sure it was one of the larger places. I've also met some extremely hot girls from both Nishny Novgorod, Novosibirsk and Khabarovsk. While in Ukraine some of the hottest girls don't always come from Kiev, but maybe from Kharkov or Poltava.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2554447]Been to both, I personally prefer Ukrainian girl over Russian girl. My impression is that girls in Ukraine (Kiev) is more of a natural beauty direction stunner, where as Moscow, girls I had there were stunner, but pimped up beauty direction stunners. Either way, in all Eastern European nations, one need good friend thus contact to get real stunner of stunner, this is the impression I got because as I mentioned I mongered in Moscow both with connection and without, and girls quality did differ, I still got stunner, but it was 8 out of 10, but when my friend was involved it was 9 or 10 out of 10 stunner. I prefer Ukrainian girls over Russian girls.[/QUOTE]I forgot about Nikolaev, the city of brides. Probably the hottest in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2554447]Been to both, I personally prefer Ukrainian girl over Russian girl. My impression is that girls in Ukraine (Kiev) is more of a natural beauty direction stunner, where as Moscow, girls I had there were stunner, but pimped up beauty direction stunners. Either way, in all Eastern European nations, one need good friend thus contact to get real stunner of stunner, this is the impression I got because as I mentioned I mongered in Moscow both with connection and without, and girls quality did differ, I still got stunner, but it was 8 out of 10, but when my friend was involved it was 9 or 10 out of 10 stunner. I prefer Ukrainian girls over Russian girls.[/QUOTE]It is said the Swedish Vikings intermixed a lot in Nikolaev, so they look slightly Swedish there.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2554415]Any info on how to get a supermodel look alike all-nighter for less than 200 bucks. 30 for an hour?

I do not remember ever read such info on St Petersburg on russian forum and have not read about this?? I remember somene said about Ukraine is better than Russia to get stunners valur for money.[/QUOTE]Try to look here, quite a few nice ones: [URL]https://rusprostitute.com/saint-petersburg[/URL].

There are price there too, seem consistent. Too many ads to be entirely wrong I would guess, but I have no personal experience, just a desire to go.

Moscow appear to be somewhat more pricey, judging from that site (also has a Moscow section).

A friend of mine go to Kiev on business, tells me its cheap and easy find stunners there. He showed me a website of escorts that he uses, holy cow!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2554518]I forgot about Nikolaev, the city of brides. Probably the hottest in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I have only been to Kiev, but Ukrainian girls are among my favorite type of stunner and I tend to like natural beauty direction of stunner if possible, so it match my taste and I tend to find Ukrainian girls more softer without edge on their personality side than Russians.

However, I stick to FKK where I can see like 100 girls to choose from live before fucking! Yes some are more plastic monsters than others in there, but between those monsters you sometimes find the stunner LOL! I never forget the early 2010's when I used to find 3 to 5 stunner in line up at Artemis everyday, for me those glory days always will be the found the heaven on earth moment of my life LOL! It is still good though, it can be worst! So I am grateful and calm even during this lock down time LOL! I might to do normal travelling in summer, go to Europe and hang out like normal people do because mongering began invading most part of my private life so why not use this opportunity to work on other so called normal thing to do area LOL! Even though for me mongering is more normal thing to do as a mans or more like a mongering stand point LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2554517]I agree Kiev girls are in general hotter than Moscow girls. But Russia is a massive country, and there are cities in Russia with hotter girls than both Moscow and st. P. The hottest Russian I ever did said she came from the south, but I failed at guessing the city she came from in the south, so I'm not sure it was one of the larger places. I've also met some extremely hot girls from both Nishny Novgorod, Novosibirsk and Khabarovsk. While in Ukraine some of the hottest girls don't always come from Kiev, but maybe from Kharkov or Poltava.[/QUOTE]Here's a hunch, he's never been to Russia.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2554519]It is said the Swedish Vikings intermixed a lot in Nikolaev, so they look slightly Swedish there.[/QUOTE]Where? Russia or Ukraine?

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2554573]Try to look here, quite a few nice ones: [URL]https://rusprostitute.com/saint-petersburg[/URL].

There are price there too, seem consistent. Too many ads to be entirely wrong I would guess, but I have no personal experience, just a desire to go.

Moscow appear to be somewhat more pricey, judging from that site (also has a Moscow section).

A friend of mine go to Kiev on business, tells me its cheap and easy find stunners there. He showed me a website of escorts that he uses, holy cow![/QUOTE]Perfect photos on the site may get you surprise sumo girls and elephant girls upon opening your hotel door LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2554518]I forgot about Nikolaev, the city of brides. Probably the hottest in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Brides? No, I don't need brides, I need stunner tute whom I can fuck hardcore and just leave, no string attached, just a lot of eternal beautiful memories that never fade and these girls never get old for me because I do not meet them ever again LOL! The beauty of mongering is no responsibility and mongers only see the beauty of girls life on upside, the downside mongers do not see LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2554726]Brides? No, I don't need brides, I need stunner tute whom I can fuck hardcore and just leave, no string attached, just a lot of eternal beautiful memories that never fade and these girls never get old for me because I do not meet them ever again LOL! The beauty of mongering is no responsibility and mongers only see the beauty of girls life on upside, the downside mongers do not see LOL![/QUOTE]Damn straight. With Ice Bears, it's pump & dump. No marriage, no co-habitation, no LTR's. Let the feministas chew on that.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2554726]Brides? No, I don't need brides, I need stunner tute whom I can fuck hardcore and just leave, no string attached, just a lot of eternal beautiful memories that never fade and these girls never get old for me because I do not meet them ever again LOL! The beauty of mongering is no responsibility and mongers only see the beauty of girls life on upside, the downside mongers do not see LOL![/QUOTE]It's just a nickname. And for a reason.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2554517]I agree Kiev girls are in general hotter than Moscow girls. But Russia is a massive country, and there are cities in Russia with hotter girls than both Moscow and st. P. The hottest Russian I ever did said she came from the south, but I failed at guessing the city she came from in the south, so I'm not sure it was one of the larger places. I've also met some extremely hot girls from both Nishny Novgorod, Novosibirsk and Khabarovsk. While in Ukraine some of the hottest girls don't always come from Kiev, but maybe from Kharkov or Poltava.[/QUOTE]I may really be different, but Russians are really higher level than Ukrainians for me, more elegant, with much better care for body, when I feel too much their misery when meeting Ukrainian escorts in Paris. Unfortunately, now Ukrainians instead of Russians, escorting in Paris and level really fell. I even rank my brothels Romanians on higher level than Ukrainian escorts I meet in Paris, with better Transylvanian care for body. But for sure, should be easier to meet girls in Ukraine under misery from Putin, than in Moscow or Peter for cheap rate and without speaking Russian. You don't meet same girl, when speaking Russian or not.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2554715]Perfect photos on the site may get you surprise sumo girls and elephant girls upon opening your hotel door LOL![/QUOTE]Thats why FKK is the best invention ever. What you see is what you get.

Beats the hell out of spending time browsing photoshopped pictures on an escort site too.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2554810]Thats why FKK is the best invention ever. What you see is what you get.

Beats the hell out of spending time browsing photoshopped pictures on an escort site too.[/QUOTE]100%. Can't wait to check out Brazil and compare FKKs to termas. My only reluctance is language barrier and the possibility of not finding many not my type. Pornstar sex gets boring and from what I understand, that's the Brazilian style. Guessing Cane knows much more.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2554773]Damn straight. With Ice Bears, it's pump & dump. No marriage, no co-habitation, no LTR's. Let the feministas chew on that.[/QUOTE]And no communication beside can you lick my ass, put tongue inside, deep throat me etc and good bye I hope to see you again but few times more and bye LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2554776]It's just a nickname. And for a reason.[/QUOTE]Then you need a few military platoons to force me to bring me to that bride town of ukraine then LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554819]100%. Can't wait to check out Brazil and compare FKKs to termas. My only reluctance is language barrier and the possibility of not finding many not my type. Pornstar sex gets boring and from what I understand, that's the Brazilian style. Guessing Cane knows much more.[/QUOTE]Brazil is a very large and very diverse country. You can find every kind of girl there imaginable providing all types of services. PSE, GFE, DFK, anal, whatever. And don't worry about language barriers. Google Translate is your friend. And I can tell you right now. Your typical terma is not going to be nearly as big or as well-appointed as your mainline FKK club. I would say the termas are more along the lines of the FKKs in the Cologne area in terms of size versus the mega clubs of Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin. But, the termas are good enough, and the tutes up in there are hot and nasty! Oh, and if you go to Sao Paulo (you should), you won't find any termas there. You do "clinicas" (brothels) by day and "boates" (nightclubs) at night. Read the Reports of Distinction to get a real feel for Brazil from some of the best in the know.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554819]100%. Can't wait to check out Brazil and compare FKKs to termas. My only reluctance is language barrier and the possibility of not finding many not my type. Pornstar sex gets boring and from what I understand, that's the Brazilian style. Guessing Cane knows much more.[/QUOTE]You just have to remember few key words like no condom, suck me here, lick me here, doggy etc LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2554862]Brazil is a very large and very diverse country. You can find every kind of girl there imaginable providing all types of services. PSE, GFE, DFK, anal, whatever. And don't worry about language barriers. Google Translate is your friend. And I can tell you right now. Your typical terma is not going to be nearly as big or as well-appointed as your mainline FKK club. I would say the termas are more along the lines of the FKKs in the Cologne area in terms of size versus the mega clubs of Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin. But, the termas are good enough, and the tutes up in there are hot and nasty! Oh, and if you go to Sao Paulo (you should), you won't find any termas there. You do "clinicas" (brothels) by day and "boates" (nightclubs) at night. Read the Reports of Distinction to get a real feel for Brazil from some of the best in the know.[/QUOTE]Cane is right. All sorts of options. I've been to Sharks, Oase, Palace, World and Artemis so I have some perspective. I've not done the termas. I defer to Cane there. But if you do Brasil do the Boates. The CLínicas are ok for daytime, but yeah not as good as FKK. But the Boates te where it's at. I have had world class GFE at Scandallo and Bomboa and Casarao also actually. With an FKK girl the mechanics are all there but you will never be fooled into thinking it's real. Brasileiras are truly there in the moment and you will swear she is your hot girlfriend.

Love FKK but love Scandallo more.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2554862]Brazil is a very large and very diverse country. You can find every kind of girl there imaginable providing all types of services. PSE, GFE, DFK, anal, whatever. And don't worry about language barriers. Google Translate is your friend. And I can tell you right now. Your typical terma is not going to be nearly as big or as well-appointed as your mainline FKK club. I would say the termas are more along the lines of the FKKs in the Cologne area in terms of size versus the mega clubs of Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin. But, the termas are good enough, and the tutes up in there are hot and nasty! Oh, and if you go to Sao Paulo (you should), you won't find any termas there. You do "clinicas" (brothels) by day and "boates" (nightclubs) at night. Read the Reports of Distinction to get a real feel for Brazil from some of the best in the know.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I would have bet on the diversity of services and types but figured better to keep the bar low and come out happy than build it up in my own mind to be disappointed. Termas the size of GT or Samya will work just fine, more than fine. If Boates are anything like the scene in Panama or Costa Rica, I'm sure I'll enjoy them just fine. Logistics of moving venues and the hotel "hooker tax" are little annoying though.

Something tells me that the Brazilian scene will actually rebound faster than the German scene for the same reasons that I think the young Turkish guys will fill the FKK scene before the pensioner and business crowds return: Party people will party the first chance they can. Not to mention that the German scene will rely on girls from another country returning to work the clubs. Even if clubs open this summer, I'm not banking on German lineups being anywhere near top capacity until several months later.

If Brazil gets their COVID shit together, I would actually rather check that scene first and give Germany some more months to build up the line ups.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2554871]Cane is right. All sorts of options. I've been to Sharks, Oase, Palace, World and Artemis so I have some perspective. I've not done the termas. I defer to Cane there. But if you do Brasil do the Boates. The CLnicas are ok for daytime, but yeah not as good as FKK. But the Boates te where it's at. I have had world class GFE at Scandallo and Bomboa and Casarao also actually. With an FKK girl the mechanics are all there but you will never be fooled into thinking it's real. Brasileiras are truly there in the moment and you will swear she is your hot girlfriend.

Love FKK but love Scandallo more.[/QUOTE]I know you probably wrote it in the relevant thread but I'm too lazy to do a search. Are the prices in the same range? How is the attendance?

Brazilian middle class, foreigners?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554819]100%. Can't wait to check out Brazil and compare FKKs to termas. My only reluctance is language barrier and the possibility of not finding many not my type. Pornstar sex gets boring and from what I understand, that's the Brazilian style. Guessing Cane knows much more.[/QUOTE]I would wager that if you were to visit Brazil the garotas would fuck your brains out and there will be no more antagonistic posts by you on ISG but you will be very friendly and of good humor to other posters.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554918]If Boates are anything like the scene in Panama or Costa Rica, I'm sure I'll enjoy them just fine. Logistics of moving venues and the hotel "hooker tax" are little annoying though.[/QUOTE]The top nightclubs in Sampa are on par or better than the clubs in Costa Rica and Panama. But here's the kicker. They typically will have clean, on-site rooms where you can go with your "date" to engage in "sexual relations" right there on the premises. So, not a lot of logistical issues (usually) and rarely any "walk of shame" (this isn't always true in Costa Rica and Panama). Same for the clinicas in the daytime by the way.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554918]Thanks! I would have bet on the diversity of services and types but figured better to keep the bar low and come out happy than build it up in my own mind to be disappointed. Termas the size of GT or Samya will work just fine, more than fine. If Boates are anything like the scene in Panama or Costa Rica, I'm sure I'll enjoy them just fine. Logistics of moving venues and the hotel "hooker tax" are little annoying though.

Something tells me that the Brazilian scene will actually rebound faster than the German scene for the same reasons that I think the young Turkish guys will fill the FKK scene before the pensioner and business crowds return: Party people will party the first chance they can. Not to mention that the German scene will rely on girls from another country returning to work the clubs. Even if clubs open this summer, I'm not banking on German lineups being anywhere near top capacity until several months later.

If Brazil gets their COVID shit together, I would actually rather check that scene first and give Germany some more months to build up the line ups.[/QUOTE]If you really visited, you would know not many Turkish at Samya, nor Balkanians at Globe, on reopening. Do you know why? Just ask them to know a bit better, on your next visit, when I was there and no problem for a bad guy like me to give my real private data, to show my passport, to give my number, for a legal business, but I m not one of them. As long, they will ask data, Samya and Globe won't be so crowded.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2554996]I would wager that if you were to visit Brazil the garotas would fuck your brains out and there will be no more antagonistic posts by you on ISG but you will be very friendly and of good humor to other posters.[/QUOTE]I decided to postpone my dream trips to countries like Indonesia (Bali), Thailand or Brasil becase these countries are very far away and flight tickets is a real cost for me. After wasting all these money to walk alone in streets is not my thing. I am not that rich and don't have that much off days. I checked the recent youtube videos of Phuket and Bali. All dead. Many shops cafes restaurants are closed. I purchased my ticket for Odessa. Mayor of Odessa don't give a sheet to Covid and people there are free. I am bored of going to Ukraine but it seems there is no better alternative. I am open to your ideas but what I mean it doesn't make sense to visit a country which is applying strict pandemy rules.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554918]Something tells me that the Brazilian scene will actually rebound faster than the German scene for the same reasons that I think the young Turkish guys will fill the FKK scene before the pensioner and business crowds return: Party people will party the first chance they can. Not to mention that the German scene will rely on girls from another country returning to work the clubs.[/QUOTE]Violent crime may be higher too due to economic fallout from the pandemic!

To Cane's credit, he is very transparent about what he likes. I assume one of the selling points of Brazil for him is the availability and price point for anal sex. Also the Cane posts photos of the WGs he finds most attractive, so we can judge for ourselves how much overlap in optical tastes we have. Lower bottom heavy, thick thighs and ass do not appeal to me. That said, many experienced mongers have told me that the scene in Brazil is less transactional. That can be attributed to the "passion" of the garotas. But if you come from first world country, you have much more spending power than the locals so booking a WG for overnight is much more affordable for us, and automatically makes us a whale to the WG.

I went to one terma / boate in Sao Paulo, three in Rio. This was 2016.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2555070]Violent crime may be higher too due to economic fallout from the pandemic!

To Cane's credit, he is very transparent about what he likes. I assume one of the selling points of Brazil for him is the availability and price point for anal sex. Also the Cane posts photos of the WGs he finds most attractive, so we can judge for ourselves how much overlap in optical tastes we have. Lower bottom heavy, thick thighs and ass do not appeal to me.[/QUOTE]Thick thighs also do not appeal to me. I like a narrow waist with a plump round butt. Also a very pretty face and attractive hairstyles. But no thunder thighs! Although, my taste in thighs might still be larger than yours since I don't typically like "bird legs" either. And yes, the availability of copious anal sex in Brazil at a price that I can afford is a huge draw for me (and the FKKs aren't bad on the anal tip either). But remember, even though my Brazil LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) may be 70% butt fucked (and could be even higher if I lowered my standards), I'm getting that pussy 100% of the time! OK? LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2554853]Then you need a few military platoons to force me to bring me to that bride town of ukraine then LOL![/QUOTE]LOL, well at least Nikolaev (or Mykolaev) is on the west side of the dniper. So don't expect Russia to ever help the rebels that deep. Unless ww3. Even Kharkov and Poltava on the east side of the dniper should be safe. I'd be more insecure regarding the coastline around the Azov sea. Perhaps mainly Mariupol. If the rebels ever advance, I bet that's where they would strategically advance. Maybe aside from taking all of the two donbass provinces and not just approx 50% of each.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2554939]I know you probably wrote it in the relevant thread but I'm too lazy to do a search. Are the prices in the same range? How is the attendance?

Brazilian middle class, foreigners?[/QUOTE]Just like FKKs range in price and facilities so do Boates. My data is from 2019 when the Real was 4:1. It's more like 6:1 now. (Usd). And of course not as many girls. But let me describe the "regular" scene. A low end Boate like Casarao still has lovely girls. But it's like a crowded neighborhood bar. Easy to pull a girl from there for $75 plus a $20 room. I had a smoking hot cutie and she was a bit more at $100.

Scandallo is the top of the top. Glass and mirrors everywhere. Dance floor, restaurant (not the cheap buffet like FKK), several bars. Nicer than any FKK by far. But you will pay for it. $40 to enter. Drinks are $25! Girl will be $150+- and room $50. Prob $300 for a great evening or $500 for a full night with two girls over a five hour period.

So not for the faint of heart but if you have done stateside it's a huge bargain. And nothing like FKK girl vibe. I commonly hang with my girl for an hour or more just drinking and dancing and kissing before going to the room. My first girl in 2018 we hung out for two hours then had room time then she invited me to go to the beach with her and her friend. Not uncommon and of course exact opposite of an FKK girl.

This is cuz most are semi pros at most. Like my 2018 girl is a legit music videos dancer. And got engaged a month after we fucked. Prob just saving up for the wedding. So Brasileira! 😋

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555099]Just like FKKs range in price and facilities so do Boates. My data is from 2019 when the Real was 4:1. It's more like 6:1 now. (Usd). And of course not as many girls. But let me describe the "regular" scene. A low end Boate like Casarao still has lovely girls. But it's like a crowded neighborhood bar. Easy to pull a girl from there for $75 plus a $20 room. I had a smoking hot cutie and she was a bit more at $100.

Scandallo is the top of the top. Glass and mirrors everywhere. Dance floor, restaurant (not the cheap buffet like FKK), several bars. Nicer than any FKK by far. But you will pay for it. $40 to enter. Drinks are $25! Girl will be $150+- and room $50. Prob $300 for a great evening or $500 for a full night with two girls over a five hour period.

So not for the faint of heart but if you have done stateside it's a huge bargain. And nothing like FKK girl vibe. I commonly hang with my girl for an hour or more just drinking and dancing and kissing before going to the room. My first girl in 2018 we hung out for two hours then had room time then she invited me to go to the beach with her and her friend. Not uncommon and of course exact opposite of an FKK girl.

This is cuz most are semi pros at most. Like my 2018 girl is a legit music videos dancer. And got engaged a month after we fucked. Prob just saving up for the wedding. So Brasileira! 😋[/QUOTE]Scandallo is in Sao paolo right? So it is normal disco where all girls inside can be taken to room? And 150 US dollar for girl and 50 us dollar for room can get you one hour session?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2554996]I would wager that if you were to visit Brazil the garotas would fuck your brains out and there will be no more antagonistic posts by you on ISG but you will be very friendly and of good humor to other posters.[/QUOTE]Probably less. Lots of time on my hands right now.

I suppose what I am saying is that crime, and the highly related prejudice issue, is a poverty problem.

The second one being of sexual nature when locals see increased competition on the dating scene. Like Mormons in Utah, that gang I once met in Croatia when bringing the hottest girl with me back to my hotel, Thai men in Thailand etc.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2554447]Been to both, I personally prefer Ukrainian girl over Russian girl. My impression is that girls in Ukraine (Kiev) is more of a natural beauty direction stunner, where as Moscow, girls I had there were stunner, but pimped up beauty direction stunners. Either way, in all Eastern European nations, one need good friend thus contact to get real stunner of stunner, this is the impression I got because as I mentioned I mongered in Moscow both with connection and without, and girls quality did differ, I still got stunner, but it was 8 out of 10, but when my friend was involved it was 9 or 10 out of 10 stunner. I prefer Ukrainian girls over Russian girls.[/QUOTE]I am considering Ukraine as well. When you make a contact with a local guy to arrange a meeting with you how much did you pay? I think it does not make sense if you pay them daily it should be per successful meeting arrangement. Also just be aware of them to make suggestion as they may get commission.

How did you get a local contact??

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555057]
If you really visited, you would know not many Turkish at Samya, nor Balkanians at Globe, on reopening. Do you know why? Just ask them to know a bit better, on your next visit, when I was there and no problem for a bad guy like me to give my real private data, to show my passport, to give my number, for a legal business, but I m not one of them. As long, they will ask data, Samya and Globe won't be so crowded.[/QUOTE]Is giving your private information, showing your passport just during the COVID-19 pandemic or it is becoming a norm??

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2555070]Violent crime may be higher too due to economic fallout from the pandemic!

To Cane's credit, he is very transparent about what he likes. I assume one of the selling points of Brazil for him is the availability and price point for anal sex. Also the Cane posts photos of the WGs he finds most attractive, so we can judge for ourselves how much overlap in optical tastes we have. Lower bottom heavy, thick thighs and ass do not appeal to me. That said, many experienced mongers have told me that the scene in Brazil is less transactional. That can be attributed to the "passion" of the garotas. But if you come from first world country, you have much more spending power than the locals so booking a WG for overnight is much more affordable for us, and automatically makes us a whale to the WG.

I went to one terma / boate in Sao Paulo, three in Rio. This was 2016.[/QUOTE]Eh, put on a muscle shirt, get the darkest tan possible. Buy some cheap local clothes. Keep my mouth shut and maybe I can pass as one of the 1.5 million Japanese Brazilian locals.

I'm going to have to discuss the quality there with you in further detail. We both know you have ultra specific taste. Hah!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555057]If you really visited, you would know not many Turkish at Samya, nor Balkanians at Globe, on reopening. Do you know why? Just ask them to know a bit better, on your next visit, when I was there and no problem for a bad guy like me to give my real private data, to show my passport, to give my number, for a legal business, but I m not one of them. As long, they will ask data, Samya and Globe won't be so crowded.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure no Americans visiting EU without a family / significant other / employer / sponsor. Naturally I haven't to Samya in over a year. 6 months for anyone else. A lot has happened since then.

Yeah okay, some people wouldn't go for various criminal / religious identifier apprehensions. But that was last fall. If Germany goes the vaccine passport route, contact tracing may no longer be deployed. Who knows how they will proceed? I don't know, they don't know, and you certainly don't either.

But some good news for you if you go to an empty club. If you're the only one there, you can say again tell everyone, "All the girls come to me because I am the best lover in the history of all lovers."

[QUOTE=Adindas;2555176]I am considering Ukraine as well. When you make a contact with a local guy to arrange a meeting with you how much did you pay? I think it does not make sense if you pay them daily it should be per successful meeting arrangement. Also just be aware of them to make suggestion as they may get commission.

How did you get a local contact??[/QUOTE]I went to boarding school, so I got trusted friends there in eastern Europe including Kiev. Without proper contact I do not recommend eastern Europe for mongering, I recommend FKK more! FKK is that good!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2555181]Is giving your private information, showing your passport just during the COVID-19 pandemic or it is becoming a norm??[/QUOTE]The place is closed now, but there is rumor that Globe may reopen on June 1st.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555099].... My first girl in 2018 we hung out for two hours then had room time then she invited me to go to the beach with her and her friend. Not uncommon and of course exact opposite of an FKK girl....[/QUOTE]I am more familiar with the Brazilian clinicas and termas and it is quite normal to be asked by a hot female there to meet off site whether to go to the beach or just hang out. Ten years and more in the past I used to get similar invitations from girls at FKKs but not so in more recent years.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555197]Pretty sure no Americans visiting EU without a family / significant other / employer / sponsor. Naturally I haven't to Samya in over a year. 6 months for anyone else. A lot has happened since then.

Yeah okay, some people wouldn't go for various criminal / religious identifier apprehensions. But that was last fall. If Germany goes the vaccine passport route, contact tracing may no longer be deployed. Who knows how they will proceed? I don't know, they don't know, and you certainly don't either.

But some good news for you if you go to an empty club. If you're the only one there, you can say again tell everyone, "All the girls come to me because I am the best lover in the history of all lovers."[/QUOTE]Most of Turkish or Balkanians don't want to give their data, when a bad guy like me has no problem, I'm not a Donald 123, when many at Globe before they checked. Except at World, my regulars are usually the prettiest and busiest, but they come to repeat and I need this, I couldn't run after or wait, which would kill my desire, but they were all free to choose others and then to forget me. Even she improved following me, but my best FKK girl was mainly for her behavior to make free for me, even LR busy superstar with guys who couldn't get her, and this woke up my desire. After look, behavior is the most important for me. I just smiled when reading your French friend here telling she was never free, but at least twice weekly for me, coming to me, same than about Sandra. De at Sharks on 2015, even I didn't go twice on a day with her. At Samya, on reopening, I could repeat with really sexy Tina, many years after, really welcoming, but not for my way for love in bed. Maybe again on few years.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2555181]Is giving your private information, showing your passport just during the COVID-19 pandemic or it is becoming a norm??[/QUOTE]Since first reopening, you had to write your data: phone, name, address, in Germany or Switzerland and some clubs asking to check your ID and phone. No problem for me, just legal business and no club never blackmailed me, when some guys need to look in my car, take photos of it, or of me in clubs. When brothels are risky playfield and can easily become a cluster, I find this quite good to contact as contact case, but I was never contacted after my visits. I think still asking data in Swiss clubs which are open.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2555221]I am more familiar with the Brazilian clinicas and termas and it is quite normal to be asked by a hot female there to meet off site whether to go to the beach or just hang out. Ten years and more in the past I used to get similar invitations from girls at FKKs but not so in more recent years.[/QUOTE]I have brought "a few FKK girls" to my hotel room for a negotiated price for night in; not too many. Paid 500 to 600 Euro. Many more girls would be willing to go to your room for a grand for a day but to me that is a waste of money. As such, with a single girl in a 12 hour span in your room, might have a maximum of 2 or 3 finishes. I felt like I ended up talking more than screwing, which is not an optimal trade. Also, I have not done this in quite a while; the last one might be in 2015 or 2016. I wonder if the prices for this sort of thing have increased. Most likely they did.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2555074]Thick thighs also do not appeal to me. I like a narrow waist with a plump round butt. Also a very pretty face and attractive hairstyles. But no thunder thighs! Although, my taste in thighs might still be larger than yours since I don't typically like "bird legs" either[/QUOTE]Amen.

Girls in FKKs are typically a bit on the bony ass side, small waist round ass can get me to a room in a heartbeat. But you don't see that often in Germany.

Never been to Brazil, but done a fair few brazilian girls in portugal. Mostly great GFE and good experiences.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2555107]Scandallo is in Sao paolo right? So it is normal disco where all girls inside can be taken to room? And 150 US dollar for girl and 50 us dollar for room can get you one hour session?[/QUOTE]Yeah not so much a disco as a nightclub with multiple bars and a nice restaurant and outdoor patio. It's super luxe. You can check it out here. The pics are interactive and U can look around the place. It's well done.

[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/tour-virtual/[/URL]

But yeah $200 should get you a girl and a room. Plan on another $100 for drinks and entry. On week nights (busier than weekends because So Paulo is a business city.) there will be 150+ girls there pre Covid. All sevens and up. They are independents and semi pro s price could vary depending on girl. But $150 will def get you just about anyone.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555321]Yeah not so much a disco as a nightclub with multiple bars and a nice restaurant and outdoor patio. It's super luxe. You can check it out here. The pics are interactive and U can look around the place. It's well done.

[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/tour-virtual/[/URL]

But yeah $200 should get you a girl and a room. Plan on another $100 for drinks and entry. On week nights (busier than weekends because So Paulo is a business city.) there will be 150+ girls there pre Covid. All sevens and up. They are independents and semi pro s price could vary depending on girl. But $150 will def get you just about anyone.[/QUOTE]For how long though? Is it one hour or two hours or three hours for 150 usd? Up to girls maybe as it sound like more liberal system, but how long usually for 150 usd or 200 usd?

150 plus girls are a lot, but given the covid situation in Brazil now. Lets see when they re open and how many of them survive out of this disaster!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555321]Yeah not so much a disco as a nightclub with multiple bars and a nice restaurant and outdoor patio. It's super luxe. You can check it out here. The pics are interactive and U can look around the place. It's well done.

[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/tour-virtual/[/URL]

But yeah $200 should get you a girl and a room. Plan on another $100 for drinks and entry. On week nights (busier than weekends because So Paulo is a business city.) there will be 150+ girls there pre Covid. All sevens and up. They are independents and semi pro s price could vary depending on girl. But $150 will def get you just about anyone.[/QUOTE]And the price is all-inclusive too, meaning no upselling to do this, that, and the other. You just need to know what's on the girl's menu for her price. Some will do anal for $150 to $200, and some won't no matter what. I find that most Brazilian girls are ready to DFK at no extra charge, and "couch play" before going to the room is still very much alive in Brazil, especially in the termas of Rio de Janeiro.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555321]Yeah not so much a disco as a nightclub with multiple bars and a nice restaurant and outdoor patio. It's super luxe. You can check it out here. The pics are interactive and U can look around the place. It's well done.

[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/tour-virtual/[/URL]

But yeah $200 should get you a girl and a room. Plan on another $100 for drinks and entry. On week nights (busier than weekends because So Paulo is a business city.) there will be 150+ girls there pre Covid. All sevens and up. They are independents and semi pro s price could vary depending on girl. But $150 will def get you just about anyone.[/QUOTE]So are your quoted prices for when the real was closer to 4:1 USD? It got close to 6:1 recently. So maybe even less with the current exchange rates?

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2555309]Amen.

Girls in FKKs are typically a bit on the bony ass side, small waist round ass can get me to a room in a heartbeat. But you don't see that often in Germany.

Never been to Brazil, but done a fair few brazilian girls in portugal. Mostly great GFE and good experiences.[/QUOTE]Got some impressive tight waist / very round ass ratio Romanians at World or Denisa at Amesia. Most of German WGs can t compete with Romanians for this ratio, many Germans with a bit flat ass and not so tight waist. Nothing about mutant nor Bolsonaro, but don t plan to go for Brazilian girls, not even in Spain where they are numerous.

Last year, I jokingly said, we will be saying in summer 2021 that we will be in FKK land in 2022, but hey, I must say that we will be in FKK land in 2022 LOL! Realistically speaking, I think it is not likely that FKK will be properly open this year, if FKK do open during this summer, it will be with so much restrictions that it is not really worth going! So we will be back to norm in summer 2022 in FKK land! 2 years of mongering into the drain LOL!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2555070]Violent crime may be higher too due to economic fallout from the pandemic!

To Cane's credit, he is very transparent about what he likes. I assume one of the selling points of Brazil for him is the availability and price point for anal sex. Also the Cane posts photos of the WGs he finds most attractive, so we can judge for ourselves how much overlap in optical tastes we have. Lower bottom heavy, thick thighs and ass do not appeal to me. That said, many experienced mongers have told me that the scene in Brazil is less transactional. That can be attributed to the "passion" of the garotas. But if you come from first world country, you have much more spending power than the locals so booking a WG for overnight is much more affordable for us, and automatically makes us a whale to the WG.

I went to one terma / boate in Sao Paulo, three in Rio. This was 2016.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by less transactional?

Despite I don't see Brasil as a travel option for a year or maybe two, I really enjoy reading comparisons like this. Going to beach with the girl that you pay for in the morning free. These are things that we look for in Europe. So I understand your point about their looks and I mostly agree but it looks like their passion compensates. What about hygiene? Do they smell bad? Or get shower frequently?

[QUOTE=Adindas;2555176]I am considering Ukraine as well. When you make a contact with a local guy to arrange a meeting with you how much did you pay? I think it does not make sense if you pay them daily it should be per successful meeting arrangement. Also just be aware of them to make suggestion as they may get commission.

How did you get a local contact??[/QUOTE]I just talked to a girl from Odessa. She says you will find no difference here from 2 years ago that you were here. So only rule is to wear a mask when you are entering a building. I just called Skyup Airlines. (Check their website for cheap tickets to Odessa) and they said it is impossible to change my flight ticket. LOcked down here for another two weeks and than head to heaven. That is how I feel. My only concern was weather till the end of June weather will be tricky in all East Europe. I mean open air clubs will be closed. It can be rainy. And you cant go to beach and swim. Or maybe if you go you wont find many people. This is another advantage of Brasil. I guess weather is available mostly throughout the year. Anyone here has been in both Odessa and Sochi? If I wouldn't have visa problem I could try it.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2555324]For how long though? Is it one hour or two hours or three hours for 150 usd? Up to girls maybe as it sound like more liberal system, but how long usually for 150 usd or 200 usd?

150 plus girls are a lot, but given the covid situation in Brazil now. Lets see when they re open and how many of them survive out of this disaster![/QUOTE]On price yes the prices are per hour. Both the girl and the hotel are per hour. You could prob negotiate the girl longer for same price. But hotel charges by hour. And as Cane says DFK só standard — in fact I've never met a Brasileira who didn't consider sex is not sex without DFK.

On the Real, yes my prices were at 4:1. You can surely get a great girl at around $100 USD these days. And remember you can get a great girl without the Scandallo experience for much less. I fucked a hot Clinica girl for 30 minutes with covered BJ for $30. Smoking body. 6-7 face. Would be $20 ish at today's exchange rates. Honestly the cheapest sex I've ever had even at the old rates.

What Cane means by less transactional is that Brasileiras are unique in their passion. When they are with you she is your girlfriend plain and simple. Especially Boate girls who tend to be amateur or semi-pro, maybe seeing one or two guys a night.

Yes you end up paying. But you have drinks. You dance. You make out. Maybe an hour or two — like a date with an amazing chick. There is none of this "we go room" in the first five minutes like FKK. You will never feel rushed in the bar. You will never feel rushed in the room. There is a nice restaurant at Scandallo. I've never done it but I am sure you can invite a girl to dinner and she'the go. There is no per hour charge except in the room. They seem to truly enjoy "being dated" as much a some guys (me!) enjoy doing it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555559]On price yes the prices are per hour. Both the girl and the hotel are per hour. You could prob negotiate the girl longer for same price. But hotel charges by hour. And as Cane says DFK s standard in fact I've never met a Brasileira who didn't consider sex is not sex without DFK.

On the Real, yes my prices were at 4:1. You can surely get a great girl at around $100 USD these days. And remember you can get a great girl without the Scandallo experience for much less. I fucked a hot Clinica girl for 30 minutes with covered BJ for $30. Smoking body. 6-7 face. Would be $20 ish at today's exchange rates. Honestly the cheapest sex I've ever had even at the old rates.

What Cane means by less transactional is that Brasileiras are unique in their passion. When they are with you she is your girlfriend plain and simple. Especially Boate girls who tend to be amateur or semi-pro, maybe seeing one or two guys a night.

Yes you end up paying. But you have drinks. You dance. You make out. Maybe an hour or two like a date with an amazing chick. There is none of this "we go room" in the first five minutes like FKK. You will never feel rushed in the bar. You will never feel rushed in the room. There is a nice restaurant at Scandallo. I've never done it but I am sure you can invite a girl to dinner and she'the go. There is no per hour charge except in the room. They seem to truly enjoy "being dated" as much a some guys (me!) enjoy doing it.[/QUOTE]Are there Romanians or Slavians in your boate? Or only Brazilian Latinas?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2555419]Last year, I jokingly said, we will be saying in summer 2021 that we will be in FKK land in 2022, but hey, I must say that we will be in FKK land in 2022 LOL! Realistically speaking, I think it is not likely that FKK will be properly open this year, if FKK do open during this summer, it will be with so much restrictions that it is not really worth going! So we will be back to norm in summer 2022 in FKK land! 2 years of mongering into the drain LOL![/QUOTE]"Platoon" 1986.

CHRIS.

32.332 days.

CRAWFORD.

(groans).

Oh man! Sorry about that. I can't even remember when.

I was 332. You got to count backwards like you got 40.

Days in. Think positive.

Ho my Bro, You've got to think positive here my man. Oktoberfest might be kaputt again this year, but FKK has got to be open again around the same time. And if not, there's always die Schweiz / Globe / Cleo / Zeus etc.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555562]Are there Romanians or Slavians in your boate? Or only Brazilian Latinas?[/QUOTE]All the girls are Brasileiras (Brazilian women). And most speak only Portuguese. If you are willing to learn a little it's way more fun, but you can get by with Google translate if need be.

This FR from Oct 2019 may give more of a flavor for everyone who is curious. Plus Andressa is the most complete girl I have ever been with worldwide. 9. 5 looks 9. 5 body 9. 5 attitude 9. 5 skills. The real deal unicorn. Like many girls she speaks no English. But my Brazilian Portuguese has gotten pretty good - and this is my first date ever, exclusively in Portuguese. That was awesome all by itself. One of the best dates of my life. Read on...

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So it's the very last night of my trip and where else would I choose to go but Scandallo? I was drag ass tired and considered not going. What a mistake that would have been. So, professional that I am, I powered thru.

I roll up around 11 PM and it's quite packed like one would expect. First I spend a bit of time on the patio. It's more relaxed out there, before the crush of the club. A few pretty girls that are maybes but no one lights me up.

I decide to wade into the thick of it, which is the main area with the band and grab my second drink. And it's packed. Pretty much have to turn sideways to wend your way thru the crowd. I can't really estimate but surely over 100 girls just in that part, maybe 150? It is a buffet that is unequalled worldwide in my opinion.

I have a certain type and it's a very narrow window. So out of the 150 I will probably find 5 or less that are up my alley even tho they are all pretty in their own way. At some point Julliana from last week appears. She is a sweet girl and pretty and I would repeat under other circumstances. But not with such a target rich environment. So I give her a kiss and move on (later I find out she was pissed. But hey.).

I find one of the very best places to do the girl-buffet is up near the stage to the right. You can stand on the little step there and for some reason a lot of the ladies have a loop that goes right by there. But bear in mind others never leave the back of the room so you need to work both.

While the ladies are on parade there are one or two who catch my eye and I file them for future reference. One particular beauty is wearing a floral print top and matching wrap-around skirt. She has lovely dark eyes and long black hair. Tawny skin. Just my type. We make brief but meaningful eye contact.

This reminds me, it is very interesting how the game is played:

1 Eye contact and quick eye aversion. One of the parties is not interested. Move on.

2 Brief eye contact - 2-3 seconds. Dig you let's talk later.

3 Strong sustained eye contact. Let's talk right now baby.

The irony with number 2 is if you are careful not to let it go to defcon 3 then you only get a brief look at your girl. My tropical girl gets eye contact level 2 - I need further confirmation and file her for later.

Later when I am surveying from the back of the room, I notice that tropical-girl is next to me. I do another quick meeting of the eyes and then drop after a couple seconds. As I turn away, it hits me she is the one. So I reengage and turn towards her and engage her in my broken Portugus. (In retrospect I realize that she is not next to me by accident. She had marked me also after the first gaze and sought me out. Well good for her because she got it right!

Wow fuck this girl is a real doll. We chat briefly but it's very loud in the club. So we adjourn to the couches in the hall. I'd never really noticed that there are nice couches lining the hall between the restaurant and the club. What a great place to get to know each other. And we do. She's got an architectural degree and hopes to practice soon. She says she loves Scandallo because it's so classy and I agree.

God she is beautiful and I need to move this to the next level but don't want to do a room and be done. So I ask if she wants a drink and does she like dancing. Sim and sim! (All discussion is Portugus. She knows no English.).

So we head back to the main part of the club. She is very girlfriendy, leading me by the hand. We get her a drink and find a section in the middle where there are some tables that create sufficient dancing space. So we put our drinks here and start some dancing. Well not really. More like hips to hips swaying regardless of the beat. And some grinding and gyrating.

The dancing is very sexy and intimate. One of the things that melts my soul is when a girl looks deep into my eyes. Not enough of this so far this trip including my spectacular BA girlfriend. So when Andressa concentrates those liquid browns on mine it is delicious. We lean in and kiss a little. Light stuff at first. A little tongue mixed in as things progress. I honestly enjoy this as much as the room. I did it with Josy for an hour or so last week and loved it. With Andressa it is not the full on tongue tangled mackin like Josy, but very pleasant. And the balance will tip toward Andressa In the room, where she is a goddess.

After 20 minutes or it could be a half hour of dance-flirting I think we were both ready for the room. We do it via Google translate. She initiates with "What do you like to do during sex". Nice. I like the directness. "I like blowjob without condom. And kissing in missionary". Hoping just for an OK, I instead get a surprising "I love BJ without condom. " Which clearly is no lie we discover later.

The room is down the elevator and back up the stairs. R200 at the counter. Again led by the hand, we find our room.

Standing by the bed she faces me and does the full on liquid brown eyes and we kiss a bit. She then turns around and I untie her top. This BFGF part is very sexy and I love when girls do it. It's the first exposure to her tits and they are spectacular BeeCups. Super fine. We get her skirt off as well and then she undoes my buttons and belt. I love being undressed and she is very sexy doing it.

After showers she puts me on my back, straddles me, and sexily crawls up me till we are face to face and plants a strong kiss on me. Love kissing her. She lies fully on top of me, naked junk to lady parts. Gets me rather hard just moving our hips.

Then like a sexy cat she crawls back down and takes me in her mouth, never breaking eye contact. And she is VERY good downstairs. Top one or two of the trip. Lots of licking while giving the doe eyes. Plenty of BLS. A nice buffet of blowjob. Fortunately her being the tenth (ish) fuck of the trip I have plenty of stamina and don't threaten a stack-blowing despite her skills.

Now it's her turn as I turn her on her back. I start by just kissing her deeply but then work down to those spectacular tits. She doesn't get the mega hard nipples like Jana the prior night but she seems to respond in a basic way. Now it's time to move on down.

I take my time going there hoping to get her worked up. When I reach the goal I start some really good tongue work. Her clit is a bit covered so I push up the surrounding flesh to get better access (learned this recently). But despite this, the response is pretty demure. At five or so minutes in, I think she is bored and maybe I should stop. But I do something right and get a little breath intake and head grab. So I keep at it. Sure enough she is just a super slow build.

I spend quite some time working on her as she slow-builds. The magic ticket tho is when I work my index finger inside and curl it back to her Gspot. Using both tongue and fingers is getting her super hot and bothered. I start to feel a small wave and then a huge bucking wave of pussy clamps. Don't know that I've felt that strong a reaction inside a pussy ever before. Made me feel great that I could get her off like that.

Afterwards she just lies fully spent just staring up at me with something like admiration or gratitude. I will literally never forget the look on her face. It is embedded in my psyche. This was no act. She is like a limp wet fish so completely satisfied. But she wants to reciprocate so does a bit more BJ then she grabs the condom and starts riding cowgirl. What a sight! Perfect tits pressed together. Sometimes she'll throw her head back and put her arms back and lean back, just letting go. Fuck she is a stunner -- like a 9. 5.

She switches to RCG which I don't usually prefer but she does a great job. After a while I move her to her back and plunge into Mish. This is really really good. Lots of Mish kissing but she seems to like it best when she buried her face in my neck and wraps her legs strong around me. This is so fine I think I may cum in Mish which I love. But it fades.

In the end, we roll over and lose the condom and she works me by mouth. She has to use every trick in the book and is down at least another ten minutes maybe more. Spectacular climax with ten minutes left on the room.

So we shower, I get her number (ALWAYS do this with Brasileiras) and later get some model-level pics the next day via WhatsApp. Wow what a girl!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2555576]"Platoon" 1986.

CHRIS.

32.332 days.

CRAWFORD.

(groans).

Oh man! Sorry about that. I can't even remember when.

I was 332. You got to count backwards like you got 40.

Days in. Think positive.

Ho my Bro, You've got to think positive here my man. Oktoberfest might be kaputt again this year, but FKK has got to be open again around the same time. And if not, there's always die Schweiz / Globe / Cleo / Zeus etc.[/QUOTE]Yeah we got to hope for our return like Charlie Sheen, but without ending up with STD LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555559]On price yes the prices are per hour. Both the girl and the hotel are per hour. You could prob negotiate the girl longer for same price. But hotel charges by hour. And as Cane says DFK s standard in fact I've never met a Brasileira who didn't consider sex is not sex without DFK.

On the Real, yes my prices were at 4:1. You can surely get a great girl at around $100 USD these days. And remember you can get a great girl without the Scandallo experience for much less. I fucked a hot Clinica girl for 30 minutes with covered BJ for $30. Smoking body. 6-7 face. Would be $20 ish at today's exchange rates. Honestly the cheapest sex I've ever had even at the old rates.

What Cane means by less transactional is that Brasileiras are unique in their passion. When they are with you she is your girlfriend plain and simple. Especially Boate girls who tend to be amateur or semi-pro, maybe seeing one or two guys a night.

Yes you end up paying. But you have drinks. You dance. You make out. Maybe an hour or two like a date with an amazing chick. There is none of this "we go room" in the first five minutes like FKK. You will never feel rushed in the bar. You will never feel rushed in the room. There is a nice restaurant at Scandallo. I've never done it but I am sure you can invite a girl to dinner and she'the go. There is no per hour charge except in the room. They seem to truly enjoy "being dated" as much a some guys (me!) enjoy doing it.[/QUOTE]So basically it is the more passionate luxury version of FKK then! I can see where that comes from, Brazilian character and German character are kinda on opposite end so LOL!

Even you take vaccines, by next year when we go to FKK, we will have to take another vaccines most likely as it only works for half year apparently with big question mark for expiry date of efficacy!

So how are you doing my fellow MGTOW and also those who are suffering with wife during lockdown not able to go to FKK?

I would say, hold still because I hear longer the wait, sweeter the reward LOL! Those young pussies are being prepared in households of Germany and Romania for you to taste for the first time in FKK once the border is open LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555580]All the girls are Brasileiras (Brazilian women). And most speak only Portuguese. If you are willing to learn a little it's way more fun, but you can get by with Google translate if need be.

This FR from Oct 2019 may give more of a flavor for everyone who is curious. Plus Andressa is the most complete girl I have ever been with worldwide. 9. 5 looks 9. 5 body 9. 5 attitude 9. 5 skills. The real deal unicorn. Like many girls she speaks no English. But my Brazilian Portuguese has gotten pretty good - and this is my first date ever, exclusively in Portuguese. That was awesome all by itself. One of the best dates of my life. Read on...



So it's the very last night of my trip and where else would I choose to go but Scandallo? I was drag ass tired and considered not going. What a mistake that would have been. So, professional that I am, I powered thru.

I roll up around 11 PM and it's quite packed like one would expect. First I spend a bit of time on the patio. It's more relaxed out there, before the crush of the club. A few pretty girls that are maybes but no one lights me up.

I decide to wade into the thick of it, which is the main area with the band and grab my second drink. And it's packed. Pretty much have to turn sideways to wend your way thru the crowd. I can't really estimate but surely over 100 girls just in that part, maybe 150? It is a buffet that is unequalled worldwide in my opinion..[/QUOTE]I find interesting for sex when can't speak same language, but just communicating with eyes, smiles, hands. Then, no lies, nor bullshits and I don't need to play grocer nor beggar, but I enjoy when it goes fluently with no talk. I told to one who talked in Romanian when she was a bit angry: I like to hear Romanian, when hard bad sound like German and couldn't understand what she told, but I was happy about that. I remember pretty blond, milky skin Hungarian Mersi at Sharks, she didn't speak English, but had enjoyable time with a lot of smiles, still after room when she was having diner with Nicoletta and Dina who looked at me, seeming a bit surprised about these Mersi smiles for me while they were dining and chatting. Can have interesting communication with eyes, body if you are confident with your body, hands if You know how to use them, and then usually, plenty of smiles from manners. I remember on 2014 at Sharks, every time I visited I had pleasure to speak with a dark skin Latina, she was much more interesting to chat than Isabella or Agnes. Pol I enjoyed in bed, but never felt attraction even she was real pretty woman type as I like, so once, after many chat at the bar, she looked at me in the eyes and asked: are you racist? I was so disappointed when even not attracted for sex, but I really liked to chat with her who was more clever than average. Fortunately for her, she got business with I m sure better guys than me.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2555419]Last year, I jokingly said, we will be saying in summer 2021 that we will be in FKK land in 2022, but hey, I must say that we will be in FKK land in 2022 LOL! Realistically speaking, I think it is not likely that FKK will be properly open this year, if FKK do open during this summer, it will be with so much restrictions that it is not really worth going! So we will be back to norm in summer 2022 in FKK land! 2 years of mongering into the drain LOL![/QUOTE]If Germany goes into deep lockdown again this upcoming winter (highly likely in my opinion), I don't think even 2022 summer will be normal again. Unless the new Pfizer antiviral pill deliver great results, we will be at least a couple years out from normal like 2024. By then everyone probably already got it once and it's not news anymore.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555559]What Cane means by less transactional is that Brasileiras are unique in their passion. When they are with you she is your girlfriend plain and simple. Especially Boate girls who tend to be amateur or semi-pro, maybe seeing one or two guys a night.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%, I was a lot younger but the experience was awesome, they really do make an effort to have a good time for themselves as well as the customer.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2555583]So basically it is the more passionate luxury version of FKK then! I can see where that comes from, Brazilian character and German character are kinda on opposite end so LOL![/QUOTE]I find it surprising when guys criticize service by German girls. I've always got exceptional service from most German providers; on average I'd say they give as good service or even better than other Europeans.

Brazil has a great variety of women from the whitest white to the blackest black and all in between. For those who like the European look you can easily find many to fulfill your dreams in Brazil, I have had full ethnic Germans there. I've also had full Japanese as well. In pursuing this hobby Brazil will always be in my itinerary.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2555754]I find it surprising when guys criticize service by German girls. I've always got exceptional service from most German providers; on average I'd say they give as good service or even better than other Europeans.

Brazil has a great variety of women from the whitest white to the blackest black and all in between. For those who like the European look you can easily find many to fulfill your dreams in Brazil, I have had full ethnic Germans there. I've also had full Japanese as well. In pursuing this hobby Brazil will always be in my itinerary.[/QUOTE]I've also had very good experiences with German girls at the FKKs. That is, when I can even find one amongst all of the Romies LOL! And yes, I have also fucked many girls of German descent in Brazil as well. In terms of their looks, they may as well had been from Cologne versus Curitiba!

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2555668]If Germany goes into deep lockdown again this upcoming winter (highly likely in my opinion), I don't think even 2022 summer will be normal again. Unless the new Pfizer antiviral pill deliver great results, we will be at least a couple years out from normal like 2024. By then everyone probably already got it once and it's not news anymore.[/QUOTE]Probably not before elections to come for after Angela, maybe not on next Autumn / Winter when people are weaker and I don t see only wealthy in brothels, but when heat will come on 2022 , if vaccine have been efficient on long time, maybe German brothels should reopen, Saarland and Berlin should be first. For those who are in hurry with painful balls, many clubs are now open in Switzerland, I even make promotion for Switzerland, with cheap, under discount Cleo. Be for only 99 CHF = around 95 € for entry with drinks, even foods now and 30 mn in bed, some girls being from German brothels, so You can maybe find a ex GF. Also discount 129 CHF = around 120 € for entry, foods and 30 mn in bed at Zeus. Sz where I found LR girls when LR was still open, but not enough rooms for good enough business for some LR girls, when GT oldies arrived. Not more expensive than in Germany, when Swiss may not make good enough business. But they will have to wait for me, when too risky country, even when I'm not able to find a attractive escort in Paris since January. I may become really too picky, when girls said I was already too much.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2555754]Brazil has a great variety of women from the whitest white to the blackest black and all in between. For those who like the European look you can easily find many to fulfill your dreams in Brazil, I have had full ethnic Germans there. I've also had full Japanese as well. In pursuing this hobby Brazil will always be in my itinerary.[/QUOTE]Yes, whitest of white do exist in Brazil, but they are a minority and given that whites occupy the highest rung of social hierarchy, less likely that they would need to work as WGs.

You and Cane give sound advice for the general monger audience, but this fly-in FKK audience has optic preferences that skew heavily towards white optics. You and Cane are quite adamant about rarely conversing with other men in FKKs. I would say that most fly-in mongers are very happy with the fact that 80-85 percent of the FKK girls would classify as white. In fact, for some of these fly in FKKer mongers, the current FKK LUs are not white enough, because they consider half of the ROs to be too gypsy or Latin or Mediterranean looking.

Switch your Tinder to Rio or Sao Paulo. Yes you will see all colors and shades represented, but it is not evenly distributed. It would be hard to put a number on it, but it seemed to me less than 20 percent of Brazil LUs were "white" because as you said every hue is represented, so people's cutoffs for what they consider white might be different.

I find Romanians more woman and sensual for sex for my taste and prettier on average than most of German WGs, when Germans You can see in streets are also prettier on average than German WGs. Most of Romanians are in brothels because they were born poor, most of German WGs in brothels are really low level. I remember one at GT who was so cute, working only 1 week on 2, because learning medical to become doctor in Munster university, but 8 months after her start at GT, she didn't give up GT but medical, what a pity, falling needing cocaine, kicked off by GT with 10 other Germans, becoming a ghost sometimes at LR, returning later at GT, but pretty sure not returning for medical. So many German WGs told me they worked as escort, but remained stuck in brothels. Many silicon tattooed like stolen cars, some marked like cow with pimp name we can read. Not easy when you look for woman image.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2555863]Yes, whitest of white do exist in Brazil, but they are a minority and given that whites occupy the highest rung of social hierarchy, less likely that they would need to work as WGs.

You and Cane give sound advice for the general monger audience, but this fly-in FKK audience has optic preferences that skew heavily towards white optics. You and Cane are quite adamant about rarely conversing with other men in FKKs. I would say that most fly-in mongers are very happy with the fact that 80-85 percent of the FKK girls would classify as white. In fact, for some of these fly in FKKer mongers, the current FKK LUs are not white enough, because they consider half of the ROs to be too gypsy or Latin or Mediterranean looking.

Switch your Tinder to Rio or Sao Paulo. Yes you will see all colors and shades represented, but it is not evenly distributed. It would be hard to put a number on it, but it seemed to me less than 20 percent of Brazil LUs were "white" because as you said every hue is represented, so people's cutoffs for what they consider white might be different.[/QUOTE]So you are def right. Even tho the word "morena" translates simply as "brunette" there is more to it than that. One expects a morena to have more tan skin tone -- not pasty white. And DAMN I love morenas! I've put a few samples below. All are girls I've had in Brazilian boates including the legendary Thifany.

As far as attitude yes you can find this in FKK. Kate at Globe is an example. But it's one in ten if you are lucky. More like one in a hundred might have attitude to match a Brasileira. Nothing but home runs for me in Brazil even at a little countryside boate.

Ps please don't interpret this as down on FKK. I love FKK. It's just a different experience. All men should do both. And I know many of u won't care for the mega tatted Duda. Honestly not my fave either. But we had a nice time and her tatts are rather bad ass. U do need to be prepared that virtually every girl I've been with in Brazil had at least one tatt. Some had several. It's very common.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2555863]Yes, whitest of white do exist in Brazil, but they are a minority and given that whites occupy the highest rung of social hierarchy, less likely that they would need to work as WGs.

You and Cane give sound advice for the general monger audience, but this fly-in FKK audience has optic preferences that skew heavily towards white optics. You and Cane are quite adamant about rarely conversing with other men in FKKs. I would say that most fly-in mongers are very happy with the fact that 80-85 percent of the FKK girls would classify as white. In fact, for some of these fly in FKKer mongers, the current FKK LUs are not white enough, because they consider half of the ROs to be too gypsy or Latin or Mediterranean looking.

Switch your Tinder to Rio or Sao Paulo. Yes you will see all colors and shades represented, but it is not evenly distributed. It would be hard to put a number on it, but it seemed to me less than 20 percent of Brazil LUs were "white" because as you said every hue is represented, so people's cutoffs for what they consider white might be different.[/QUOTE]If it isn't somebody proclaiming that all Brazilian women have big butts, then it's somebody else proclaiming that there aren't enough "white enough" women in Brazil who are working girls. Well let me set the record straight. Again! If there's anybody who hesitates to go to Brazil for either of these reasons, then that's just pure folly upon you. Most of the women I fuck when I go to Brazil are white OK? Just like the ones in the photos I have posted below from trips gone by (I have many, many, many more trust me). And they aren't hard to find. It's easy! So where do I find them? Well, I don't know anything about Tinder because I don't use that app. But I find my Brazilian brancas (white girls) working in all of the usual haunts I visit. That would be mainly the termas in Rio and the boates in Sampa. But also some at the clinicas in Sampa, and from the very best escort sites where you can count on no bait and switch and quality service (see below). Guys, please don't succumb to disinformation and stuff that just does not reflect reality about Brazil! The reason why I lost my mind after the very first time I went to Brazil was because of all of the PSE anal sex I was getting from hot "white enough" blondes. If the ones in my pics aren't "white enough" for anybody here, then my strong recommendation would be for you to just not go to Brazil and stay home. Hell, I have been with some I thought were morenas, then you take a closer look and you see they're brancas with really, really deep tans. It's like the porn star Elisa Sanches. In some of her vids she has a tan. But when I met her, she was white as rice (anal is her specialty, and I fucked her in the butt).

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I've been meaning to ask. What the hell is an "ice bear"?

Sorry don't mean to clog the thread but I remembered something else remarkable about Brasileiras that you won't see in FKK. And bear in mind there was no discussion or negotiation beforehand.

My last visit I saw ten girls. Seven of the ten took CIM like a champ. Five of the seven SWALLOWED every drop of my load without a second thought or missing a beat. Try getting that in FKK as a freebie. 🤣 Like I say. Your girlfriend when she is with you.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555910]Sorry don't mean to clog the thread but I remembered something else remarkable about Brasileiras that you won't see in FKK. And bear in mind there was no discussion or negotiation beforehand.

My last visit I saw ten girls. Seven of the ten took CIM like a champ. Five of the seven SWALLOWED every drop of my load without a second thought or missing a beat. Try getting that in FKK as a freebie. 🤣 Like I say. Your girlfriend when she is with you.[/QUOTE]I've had plenty of girlfriends who wouldn't eat my cum!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2555633]Even you take vaccines, by next year when we go to FKK, we will have to take another vaccines most likely as it only works for half year apparently with big question mark for expiry date of efficacy![/QUOTE]You're probably referring to the study that followed the vaccine clinical trial volunteers. It's worth clarifying what those findings meant. After following those people for 6 months, it was concluded that they were not infected at significant rates. However, they did not conclude that the vaccines became ineffective after 6 months. Simply, they published the data only up to the point in time for which they had data.

Basically, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

When those study participants start becoming infected, then you will see updated results and conclusions.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2555754]I find it surprising when guys criticize service by German girls. I've always got exceptional service from most German providers; on average I'd say they give as good service or even better than other Europeans.

Brazil has a great variety of women from the whitest white to the blackest black and all in between. For those who like the European look you can easily find many to fulfill your dreams in Brazil, I have had full ethnic Germans there. I've also had full Japanese as well. In pursuing this hobby Brazil will always be in my itinerary.[/QUOTE]If you read back my posts, I was the always the one who was debating that German girls give better more hardcore I do not believe she just did that service than Romanian LOL!

But Romanian girls too, I had good experience in globe just one year ago, one of the best experience I had! But put it this way, every race in FKK do provide good service, you just have to be lucky to meet the right one and pay reasonably well and charm her into doing things! Aha, I miss those FKK summer days sitting outside area of FKK in German summer breeze!

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2555668]If Germany goes into deep lockdown again this upcoming winter (highly likely in my opinion), I don't think even 2022 summer will be normal again. Unless the new Pfizer antiviral pill deliver great results, we will be at least a couple years out from normal like 2024. By then everyone probably already got it once and it's not news anymore.[/QUOTE]I think we will be back to close to norm in summer 2022, what worry me is that will there be full of girls wanting to make money from this blank 2 years with no FKK business with a lot of new girls beginning in the industry? Or most girls found another means to make money and we will be left with grandma in FKK? LOL!

I think many new girls! I hope LOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555876]So you are def right. Even tho the word "morena" translates simply as "brunette" there is more to it than that. One expects a morena to have more tan skin tone -- not pasty white. And DAMN I love morenas! I've put a few samples below. All are girls I've had in Brazilian boates including the legendary Thifany.

As far as attitude yes you can find this in FKK. Kate at Globe is an example. But it's one in ten if you are lucky. More like one in a hundred might have attitude to match a Brasileira. Nothing but home runs for me in Brazil even at a little countryside boate.

Ps please don't interpret this as down on FKK. I love FKK. It's just a different experience. All men should do both. And I know many of u won't care for the mega tatted Duda. Honestly not my fave either. But we had a nice time and her tatts are rather bad ass. U do need to be prepared that virtually every girl I've been with in Brazil had at least one tatt. Some had several. It's very common.[/QUOTE]Kate discovered in Hessen for 50 per 30 mn and I followed at Globe and what a welcome when she saw me, coming straight to me, when not many visiting Germany follow in Switzerland, is my standard for level of girls, even for her jealousy, telling me about my other GF, when she was Globe busy superstar. Even I sometimes didn't go with her at Globe, but I loved her charm, elegance, very sweet woman with me, but I had some prettier and higher level for me in bed, in FKK, even our last bloody room was high pleasure, bad she didn't want I keep my robe with her on. For sure, when I wish her a beautiful woman life with her best present for life, I would be happy to find her twin or girls on her level, when she improved for me for more sophisticated look rather than gypsy original hair, when found some in FKK and level I look and go for. Elegance, charm for woman image create my desire. Unfortunately, not anymore this level of charm and elegance since 2019 , even Sofia. De had on last Summer.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555915]You're probably referring to the study that followed the vaccine clinical trial volunteers. It's worth clarifying what those findings meant. After following those people for 6 months, it was concluded that they were not infected at significant rates. However, they did not conclude that the vaccines became ineffective after 6 months. Simply, they published the data only up to the point in time for which they had data.

Basically, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

When those study participants start becoming infected, then you will see updated results and conclusions.[/QUOTE]I haven't looked it up recently, but both for vaccinated people as well as people post covid recovery antibody numbers go down in time. Of course, it's quite individual, but I think after 8 months there is still something there. It's possible that after one year antibody protection is no longer detectable.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2555917]I think we will be back to close to norm in summer 2022, what worry me is that will there be full of girls wanting to make money from this blank 2 years with no FKK business with a lot of new girls beginning in the industry? Or most girls found another means to make money and we will be left with grandma in FKK? LOL!

I think many new girls! I hope LOL![/QUOTE]A new tute is born everyday! It's like a university professor once said. The students (tutes) are forever young, while we the professors (mongers) grow older and older. When this thing is over, the tutes shall return, as long as they have places to return to. They may not be the same ones we once knew. But they will be young, ready, and willing. And we the mongers will discover new favorites leaving us with more memories of a lifetime.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555876]So you are def right. Even tho the word "morena" translates simply as "brunette" there is more to it than that. One expects a morena to have more tan skin tone -- not pasty white. And DAMN I love morenas! I've put a few samples below. All are girls I've had in Brazilian boates including the legendary Thifany.

As far as attitude yes you can find this in FKK. Kate at Globe is an example. But it's one in ten if you are lucky. More like one in a hundred might have attitude to match a Brasileira. Nothing but home runs for me in Brazil even at a little countryside boate.

Ps please don't interpret this as down on FKK. I love FKK. It's just a different experience. All men should do both. And I know many of u won't care for the mega tatted Duda. Honestly not my fave either. But we had a nice time and her tatts are rather bad ass. U do need to be prepared that virtually every girl I've been with in Brazil had at least one tatt. Some had several. It's very common.[/QUOTE]I like the morenas too, and have had many outstanding experiences with them (you may recall my report on Ana Paula from Bomboa in Sao Paulo). But here's the thing. You know I like anal, and one thing I found is that the blonde brancas have been far more willing and much quicker to let me fuck them in the ass LOL! That said, as I recently wrote in the Rio thread (with pics), my absolute favorite of all time in Brazil is a slender booty "morena clara" who worked at Centaurus in Rio. And she didn't do anal! Go figure. Must have been love.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556015]A new tute is born everyday! It's like a university professor once said. The students (tutes) are forever young, while we the professors (mongers) grow older and older. When this thing is over, the tutes shall return, as long as they have places to return to. They may not be the same ones we once knew. But they will be young, ready, and willing. And we the mongers will discover new favorites leaving us with more memories of a lifetime.[/QUOTE]All the roads lead to German FKK for us mongers LOL! Strength and honor LOL!

Yes, out counterpart of sex never get old LOL! And every time is new experience, new taste, new everything with new stunner LOL! This is what Charlie sheen would say winning LOL!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2555863]Yes, whitest of white do exist in Brazil, but they are a minority and given that whites occupy the highest rung of social hierarchy, less likely that they would need to work as WGs.

You and Cane give sound advice for the general monger audience, but this fly-in FKK audience has optic preferences that skew heavily towards white optics. You and Cane are quite adamant about rarely conversing with other men in FKKs. I would say that most fly-in mongers are very happy with the fact that 80-85 percent of the FKK girls would classify as white. In fact, for some of these fly in FKKer mongers, the current FKK LUs are not white enough, because they consider half of the ROs to be too gypsy or Latin or Mediterranean looking.

Switch your Tinder to Rio or Sao Paulo. Yes you will see all colors and shades represented, but it is not evenly distributed. It would be hard to put a number on it, but it seemed to me less than 20 percent of Brazil LUs were "white" because as you said every hue is represented, so people's cutoffs for what they consider white might be different.[/QUOTE]I believe I may have had disagreements with the Cane over the quantity of white providers in Brazil in the past. From my observations many of the providers who look white have some mixture of other races in them, even blonde women. That being said one must take into account that Brazil has a much larger population than Germany and on top of that a greater percentage of the women living in Brazil are providers compared to the percentage of women living in Germany who are. That results in a much larger population of working girls in Brazil. Therefore the number of Brazilian hookers who are full Caucasian is enormous. One also needs to consider that the further south you go in Brazil the greater the percentage of whites who live there. The conclusion is that Brazil is a great destination for mongers who like the white chicks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2556043]I believe I may have had disagreements with the Cane over the quantity of white providers in Brazil in the past. From my observations many of the providers who look white have some mixture of other races in them, even blonde women. That being said one must take into account that Brazil has a much larger population than Germany and on top of that a greater percentage of the women living in Brazil are providers compared to the percentage of women living in Germany who are. That results in a much larger population of working girls in Brazil. Therefore the number of Brazilian hookers who are full Caucasian is enormous. One also needs to consider that the further south you go in Brazil the greater the percentage of whites who live there. The conclusion is that Brazil is a great destination for mongers who like the white chicks.[/QUOTE]I have been going to Brazil for years, I know what my experiences are, and nobody is going to tell me that they aren't legitimate or real. I'm a pro vet when it comes to mongering in Brazil, and I know of what I speak. Now, you are right that there is a lot of "mixture" in Brazil. That's where so many of those "morenas" come from. But, you're also right that there are a lot of white chicks who are engaged in prostitution in Brazil. I mean like a "horn of plenty"! As you say "enormous"! I know it from direct, first-hand experience. Because I've been fucking those same blonde, Brazilian Caucasians for years (most of them anally too)! And again as you say, the further south they come from, the more white / European they look. I mean, it's almost laughable to me when I see guys posting all of this stuff about about nothing but "big booties" and not "white enough". It reminds me of "PussyLiccker"! He hesitated about going to Brazil because he didn't think he could find enough "brancas" there, and he kept asking somebody to post photos of what Brazilian people look like. As I noted then, given how diverse Brazil is, that was a pretty silly request. That would be like asking to see a picture of what an American looks like (rolling eyes). My God!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2556043]I believe I may have had disagreements with the Cane over the quantity of white providers in Brazil in the past. From my observations many of the providers who look white have some mixture of other races in them, even blonde women. That being said one must take into account that Brazil has a much larger population than Germany and on top of that a greater percentage of the women living in Brazil are providers compared to the percentage of women living in Germany who are. That results in a much larger population of working girls in Brazil. Therefore the number of Brazilian hookers who are full Caucasian is enormous. One also needs to consider that the further south you go in Brazil the greater the percentage of whites who live there. The conclusion is that Brazil is a great destination for mongers who like the white chicks.[/QUOTE]Wiki (and other Google searches) say 45-50% of Brazilian population is of European race, 40-45% multi racial, 7% Black, and so on. Brazil population is more than 200 M, DE is at 80+ M. So, the number of "Whites" may be roughly comparable or slightly higher in Brazil than in DE. That said, isn't it true that a vast majority of WGs in DE are not of DE citizenship but from nearby E EU nations? For instance, DE has 4 times the population of Romania but I bet the number of Romanian tutes plying their trade in EU far exceeds those of German ancestry.

I don't have much interest in visiting Brazil for mongering nor does it present much opportunity for me as far as providing convenient excuses to visit; we will see, perhaps I will make one visit someday to check it for myself. I did experience a decent number of Brazilian women in Spain and other places in EU. As you said, more than the skin color it is the body structure which takes them outside my spec. Some were pretty good however.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2555894]I've been meaning to ask. What the hell is an "ice bear"?[/QUOTE]Ice bears refers to gents in white robes, especially the heftier examples. Hence the name of the Dutch forum.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555910]Sorry don't mean to clog the thread but I remembered something else remarkable about Brasileiras that you won't see in FKK. And bear in mind there was no discussion or negotiation beforehand.

My last visit I saw ten girls. Seven of the ten took CIM like a champ. Five of the seven SWALLOWED every drop of my load without a second thought or missing a beat. Try getting that in FKK as a freebie. 🤣 Like I say. Your girlfriend when she is with you.[/QUOTE]What are the rates for this in Brasil?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556050]I have been going to Brazil for years, I know what my experiences are, and nobody is going to tell me that they aren't legitimate or real. I'm a pro vet when it comes to mongering in Brazil, and I know of what I speak. Now, you are right that there is a lot of "mixture" in Brazil. That's where so many of those "morenas" come from. But, you're also right that there are a lot of white chicks who are engaged in prostitution in Brazil. I mean like a "horn of plenty"! As you say "enormous"! I know it from direct, first-hand experience. Because I've been fucking those same blonde, Brazilian Caucasians for years (most of them anally too)! And again as you say, the further south they come from, the more white / European they look. I mean, it's almost laughable to me when I see guys posting all of this stuff about about nothing but "big booties" and not "white enough". It reminds me of "PussyLiccker"! He hesitated about going to Brazil because he didn't think he could find enough "brancas" there, and he kept asking somebody to post photos of what Brazilian people look like. As I noted then, given how diverse Brazil is, that was a pretty silly request. That would be like asking to see a picture of what an American looks like (rolling eyes). My God![/QUOTE]Many tours and came back alive penetrating into Anal of Brazil LOL! Purple star monger LOL!

How real American looks like? To me Native Indian people, but somehow they are forgotten out of whole debate, I went to their reservation, and it was just bunch of trailer houses. I think US fed should put more investment into their cultural heritage that actually is / should be beautiful original American heritage!

More south you go in Brazil whiter it get? I wonder how that settlement formation came from? Maybe Germans etc first arrived in Southern part of Brazil and settle there first, that is why?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556076]Wiki (and other Google searches) say 45-50% of Brazilian population is of European race, 40-45% multi racial, 7% Black, and so on. Brazil population is more than 200 M, DE is at 80+ M. So, the number of "Whites" may be roughly comparable or slightly higher in Brazil than in DE. That said, isn't it true that a vast majority of WGs in DE are not of DE citizenship but from nearby E EU nations? For instance, DE has 4 times the population of Romania but I bet the number of Romanian tutes plying their trade in EU far exceeds those of German ancestry.

I don't have much interest in visiting Brazil for mongering nor does it present much opportunity for me as far as providing convenient excuses to visit; we will see, perhaps I will make one visit someday to check it for myself. I did experience a decent number of Brazilian women in Spain and other places in EU. As you said, more than the skin color it is the body structure which takes them outside my spec. Some were pretty good however.[/QUOTE]Well, there's some pessimism for you! What is it about the "structure" of these white Brazilian girls that I'm posting pictures of? All their "big butts" LOL! They aren't white enough? I mean you guys are killing me, and you clearly lack an understanding about the type of talent that can be found in Brazil. And here's something else to consider. Brazil has never been as well off as the United States, Germany, Japan, and many other first world countries.

That means that more of their people, including white people, need to hustle harder to survive and make ends meet. Which in turn pushes more of their girls, including the white ones, to dabble in prostitution to earn money to achieve whatever it is they want to accomplish. When we finally get onto the other side of this pandemic, I expect the white talent on offer in Brazil to be as good as it ever was. Which was pretty damn good mind you! I can't wait!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2556134]What are the rates for this in Brasil?[/QUOTE]That's what we've been trying to tell you man. Ordinarily there is no special "rate" for "that". That's what Steve means by acting like your "girlfriend". In Brazil, the girl either does it or she doesn't, for whatever the standard price is. Same for anal, cum in face, whatever. You have to ask if she does something you want or not, but no real upselling for this or that or the other in the same way you find it to be at FKKs. Particularly in the termas of Rio, and the clinicas of Sao Paulo. Even with most escorts I've dealt with in Brazil. Either she takes it in her asshole or she doesn't. All for her standard, basic, hourly rate. No upselling. Just got to ask her what she does. Hopefully it's all the things you want her to do!

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2556134]What are the rates for this in Brasil?[/QUOTE]Dude are you trolling me? I thought I spelled it out. I didn't negotiate anything. I didn't pay any extra. They simply did it as part of being with you. Some I just came in their pussy (covered). Some CIM. Some CIM and swallow. No discussion. No upcharge. Just part of being lovers.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556050]He hesitated about going to Brazil because he didn't think he could find enough "brancas" there, and he kept asking somebody to post photos of what Brazilian people look like. [b]As I noted then, given how diverse Brazil is, that was a pretty silly request.[/b] That would be like asking to see a picture of what an American looks like (rolling eyes). My God![/QUOTE]And once again, it appears you have not spoken with some of these fly-in mongers who have very specific tastes. Half the ROs are not white enough for them. They actually want ROs that could pass for Dutch, German, Scandinavian, Russian, or Ukrainian. The FKK LUs are 85 percent white AND that is not white enough for them! Yet you want to pitch the virtues of a diverse LU to them?

Did I ever tell you that I did not think your experiences or legitimate or real? I am not using my standards when making the statement that many WGs in Brazil are "bottom heavy". I do not use my own standards, because my standards are not normal, as I like thin, long legged women. For instance, if I fat chick, BBW fetish, then I would consider 98 percent of women "thin". But when speaking to wider audience, I would adopt a more mainstream definition of "thin".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2556043]I believe I may have had disagreements with the Cane over the quantity of white providers in Brazil in the past. From my observations many of the providers who look white have some mixture of other races in them, even blonde women. That being said one must take into account that Brazil has a much larger population than Germany and on top of that a greater percentage of the women living in Brazil are providers compared to the percentage of women living in Germany who are. That results in a much larger population of working girls in Brazil. Therefore the number of Brazilian hookers who are full Caucasian is enormous. One also needs to consider that the further south you go in Brazil the greater the percentage of whites who live there. The conclusion is that Brazil is a great destination for mongers who like the white chicks.[/QUOTE]Total number of WGs does not matter, unless one is staying a long duration in Brazil and willing to travel. How concentrated they are in one RLD or better yet one venue is more important. You would probably need a LU of 600 WGs to yield the same number of "white" WGs as a 100 WG LU in a FKK. Problem is no paid sex venues in Brazil accommodate such large numbers.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556076]Wiki (and other Google searches) say 45-50% of Brazilian population is of European race, 40-45% multi racial, 7% Black, and so on. Brazil population is more than 200 M, DE is at 80+ M. So, the number of "Whites" may be roughly comparable or slightly higher in Brazil than in DE..[/QUOTE]I will put it to you like this, USA is 73 percent White, whereas a country like Spain is 86 percent ethnic Spanish (technically White European). But which population has a higher percentage of blue-eyed blondes? Gingers? Which population has a higher percentage of people that could pass for Arab? Also slightly off-topic, but a large percentage of the 40-45% multi-racial would be considered light-skinned black elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556076]As you said, more than the skin color it is the body structure which takes them outside my spec. Some were pretty good however.[/QUOTE]Same for me. In the FKKs, I have even been with 3-4 African WGs that are black as night. If I had more to choose from, I probably would have went with more. I don't consider myself into black WGs. I am into big tits of any color.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2555881] If the ones in my pics aren't "white enough" for anybody here, then my strong recommendation would be for you to just not go to Brazil and stay home. Hell, I have been with some I thought were morenas, then you take a closer look and you see they're brancas with really, really deep tans. It's like the porn star Elisa Sanches. In some of her vids she has a tan. But when I met her, she was white as rice (anal is her specialty, and I fucked her in the butt).

[URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.barravipsrio.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.riosexsite.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]I do not consider myself to be a white-girl chaser, but more of a thin girl with big-natural tits chaser of all colors. The agency photos, some I think would definitely be considered white. You would have to have to let others (and lurkers) decide for themselves. As for the photos you posted, only one shows face and it is not close up.

Googling Elisa Sanches, she is closer to what I saw in the field on four terma visits (1-2 hours each), no clinicas since it was my first time in Brazil and wanted to do sightseeing. She is not what most fly-in FKKers would go for, from the age, cosmetic enhancements, etc: [URL]https://www.rodrigoteixeira.news/post/atriz-porno-elisa-sanches-volta-pro-instagram-depois-de-dois-anos[/URL].

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2555533]What do you mean by less transactional?[/QUOTE]Answered here:

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2555559]What Cane means by less transactional is that Brasileiras are unique in their passion. When they are with you she is your girlfriend plain and simple. Especially Boate girls who tend to be amateur or semi-pro, maybe seeing one or two guys a night.

Yes you end up paying. But you have drinks. You dance. You make out. Maybe an hour or two like a date with an amazing chick. There is none of this "we go room" in the first five minutes like FKK. You will never feel rushed in the bar. You will never feel rushed in the room. There is a nice restaurant at Scandallo. I've never done it but I am sure you can invite a girl to dinner and she'the go. There is no per hour charge except in the room. They seem to truly enjoy "being dated" as much a some guys (me!) enjoy doing it.[/QUOTE]How much of that is just the Brazilian WGs seeing the potential upside with foreigners? Let's be honest, a place like Scandalo is out of the price range for any average Brazilian. It's not like FKKs where even a working class German can scrape together 50 EUR for entry and 50 EUR for 30 minute session. Scandalo is probably for Brazilian one-percenters and foreigners. Any foreigner flying from a long distance probably makes at least $80 K USD, which might not make them a one-percenter in their home country, but probably a one-percenter in Brazil. What I heard many times from many mongers, is that the overnight bookings in Brazil are not that much more than the hourly bookings, or a much smaller multiplier than would be the case in Germany.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556076]Wiki (and other Google searches) say 45-50% of Brazilian population is of European race, 40-45% multi racial, 7% Black, and so on. Brazil population is more than 200 M, DE is at 80+ M. So, the number of "Whites" may be roughly comparable or slightly higher in Brazil than in DE. That said, isn't it true that a vast majority of WGs in DE are not of DE citizenship but from nearby E EU nations? For instance, DE has 4 times the population of Romania but I bet the number of Romanian tutes plying their trade in EU far exceeds those of German ancestry.

I don't have much interest in visiting Brazil for mongering nor does it present much opportunity for me as far as providing convenient excuses to visit; we will see, perhaps I will make one visit someday to check it for myself. I did experience a decent number of Brazilian women in Spain and other places in EU. As you said, more than the skin color it is the body structure which takes them outside my spec. Some were pretty good however.[/QUOTE]Do you think Google or other internet are the truth? I m pretty sure not so many slim milky skin WGs in Brazil, but much more numerous Latina types, but not looking like Italian women. Argentina should be better for this.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556076]... isn't it true that a vast majority of WGs in DE are not of DE citizenship but from nearby E EU nations? ...[/QUOTE]Hence my reference to ¨women living in Germany ¨.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2556167]And once again, it appears you have not spoken with some of these fly-in mongers who have very specific tastes. Half the ROs are not white enough for them. They actually want ROs that could pass for Dutch, German, Scandinavian, Russian, or Ukrainian. The FKK LUs are 85 percent white AND that is not white enough for them! Yet you want to pitch the virtues of a diverse LU to them?

Did I ever tell you that I did not think your experiences or legitimate or real? I am not using my standards when making the statement that many WGs in Brazil are "bottom heavy". I do not use my own standards, because my standards are not normal, as I like thin, long legged women. For instance, if I fat chick, BBW fetish, then I would consider 98 percent of women "thin". But when speaking to wider audience, I would adopt a more mainstream definition of "thin".[/QUOTE]I often agree with you on your take on things. But not this time. Did it ever occur to you that you're writing to one of those "fly-in mongers" with "specific tastes"? I'm a "white girl chaser". That's who I am! And if Brazil didn't have enough of them to sate my appetites, then I would say so. But no, it's the exact opposite LOL! And you tell me plenty with what you're writing. It's best to let people who are the experts on Brazil tell everybody else what it's like to monger there.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2556171] As for the photos you posted, only one shows face and it is not close up.[/QUOTE]I knew this was your next tactic. Are these "white enough" and "close-up enough" for you? Or, is there something wrong with their "structure" LOLOLOL! Found at Cafe Photo, Quatro por Quatro, Carmen's Nightclub, and Scandallo respectively. At the end of the day, I don't care what anybody else does. I know what's what, the "real" truth, and The Cane is working both sides of the Atlantic! Have a good fuck.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556195]I'm pretty sure not so many slim milky skin WGs in Brazil.[/QUOTE]And you shouldn't be so sure of yourself, because you are not correct. How can you be so sure anyway? Pray tell, have you even been there (I have many, many, many times)? The one caveat I will issue is that tans are highly-prized in Brazil. I've been shocked at times to see how deeply tanned some of the white girls get just because I know what damage that does to the skin.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556284]I knew this was your next tactic. Are these "white enough" and "close-up enough" for you? Or, is there something wrong with their "structure" LOLOLOL! Found at Cafe Photo, Quatro por Quatro, Carmen's Nightclub, and Scandallo respectively. At the end of the day, I don't care what anybody else does. I know what's what, the "real" truth, and The Cane is working both sides of the Atlantic! Have a good fuck.[/QUOTE]The first and the last pictures seem photoshopped but the girls are hot. The body pics that you posted are hot too, despite the over abundance of tattoos on one of them.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556195]Do you think Google or other internet are the truth? I m pretty sure not so many slim milky skin WGs in Brazil, but much more numerous Latina types, but not looking like Italian women. Argentina should be better for this.[/QUOTE]I am willing to consider your suggestion if you can present a superior search engine to Google that shows "the truth" as you perceive it.

Since we are in DE threads and our beloved Romie WGs; so, there is this company called UiPath which was founded by a couple of Romanian dudes. Came over to US, made it bigger, now it had its IPO and worth $35 billion. To put that in perspective, the entire market capitalization of all Romanian companies on their stock market (yes, they do have one) is in the same $30 be range.

It must be a moment of pride and also sadness for Romanians. It is not a country that produces super, world leading tech companies. But the sadness is that the founders migrated to the US, and now their firm is just another American firm. They will be rich, become fully American, and it will have minimal benefit to Romania.

Even when they create great firms in Europe, so many of those founders and firms eventually end up here.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556284]I knew this was your next tactic. Are these "white enough" and "close-up enough" for you? Or, is there something wrong with their "structure" LOLOLOL! Found at Cafe Photo, Quatro por Quatro, Carmen's Nightclub, and Scandallo respectively. At the end of the day, I don't care what anybody else does. I know what's what, the "real" truth, and The Cane is working both sides of the Atlantic! Have a good fuck.[/QUOTE]The first one is hot! She looks Russian / Eastern European. Blonde with big tits, just my type! Yum!

The other girls, meh, not really my type, but definitely fuckable if I was desperate at GT during a polar bear gay-night evening. LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2556147]More south you go in Brazil whiter it get? I wonder how that settlement formation came from? Maybe Germans etc first arrived in Southern part of Brazil and settle there first, that is why?[/QUOTE]Yes, many people of Germanic and Italian descent settled in the south. The girls from there will often refer to themselves as "gauchas". I have a good friend from Rio (not a tute) whose family is originally from Italy. She's a blondie and looks European all the way. I met this one blonde at Scandallo who looked like she just stepped off the boat from Kiel, Germany LOL! Blonde and blue and snow white (and slender). I was like, "Wow Mr. Ho would love her! But tonight The Cane is the one who's fucking her"! Hahaha! Yes, you see more people of Italian descent live in Brazil than in any other place in the world. Same for Japanese people (only more in Japan). Same for people of African descent (only more in Nigeria). Then you have those of Native descent. And of course the Portuguese descended and more such as the Germans! It's such a diverse place, and I love it!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556284]I knew this was your next tactic. Are these "white enough" and "close-up enough" for you? Or, is there something wrong with their "structure" LOLOLOL! Found at Cafe Photo, Quatro por Quatro, Carmen's Nightclub, and Scandallo respectively. At the end of the day, I don't care what anybody else does. I know what's what, the "real" truth, and The Cane is working both sides of the Atlantic! Have a good fuck.[/QUOTE]Isn't almost half of the population of Brazil of European decent? Though some of these seem also partly of German decent. As maybe 10% are in the 3 southern states?

For me though, top right one looks extremely hot. The other 3 are all probably 8's. But top right is a 9 I guess. Assuming body features at least.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2556147] US fed should put more investment into their cultural heritage that actually is / should be beautiful original American heritage![/QUOTE]USA should legalize p6. Otherwise if they only allow it in Nevada and maybe on the natives land, the prices will just stay way too high. So quite useless! I think we are better off going elsewhere in the world.

The only thing the USA is good for is stolen alien technologies, and maybe they'll manage some decent brain machine interfaces in a decade or two. Now that could be fun. But still just a dream. Theoretically we could make our brain think it was affected by love and sex hormones. Making us feel sex ten times as strong, or last all day long. Just a pipe dream? Maybe. Maybe not.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2556342]For me though, top right one looks extremely hot. The other 3 are all probably 8's. But top right is a 9 I guess. Assuming body features at least.[/QUOTE]So handy that everyone's taste is different. You literally could not pay me to fuck a blue eyed pasty white girl LOL. Cane and I should double date. He can take all the pasty Russians and I'll take all the tan Latinas and South Asians. We’d be perfect together!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2556356]So handy that everyone's taste is different. You literally could not pay me to fuck a blue eyed pasty white girl LOL. Cane and I should double date. He can take all the pasty Russians and I'll take all the tan Latinas and South Asians. Wed be perfect together![/QUOTE]But you got to let me hit some of that caramel-complected, "morena" tail every once and a while! Hehehe!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2556301]The first and the last pictures seem photoshopped but the girls are hot. The body pics that you posted are hot too, despite the over abundance of tattoos on one of them.[/QUOTE]Julia (the first one) does some modeling, and her pics have some "glam" to them (I have some of her doing everyday stuff), but I assure you she is "white hot" LOL! Aline's pic (the last one) is absolutely not photoshopped. It's a selfie that was taken at Scandallo. In any event, in the final analysis, I'm not here to convince anybody of anything. It's just that occasionally somebody hits on some of my push button issues. Like all Brazilian girls have huge butts (they don't), and you can't find enough of them who look and / or are "white enough" (you can). Believe what you want people. Because The Cane is getting his. On both sides of the Atlantic!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2556342]For me though, top right one looks extremely hot. The other 3 are all probably 8's. But top right is a 9 I guess. Assuming body features at least.[/QUOTE]My point wasn't necessarily to make a statement about how hot the girls are whose pictures I posted. Although, I clearly found them hot enough to fuck, and I did! Except for one of them actually, who I turned down (I was tired and a bit tipsy). No, my point was to offer solid evidence that not all Brazilian girls have big asses, and that if it's white girls you want, then it's white girls they got a plenty! Including many, many "soliciting" as tutes.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2556356]So handy that everyone's taste is different. You literally could not pay me to fuck a blue eyed pasty white girl LOL. Cane and I should double date. He can take all the pasty Russians and I'll take all the tan Latinas and South Asians. Wed be perfect together![/QUOTE]What kind of girls do you find in Russia if you don't want this type? Even the tatars and chechens aren't tan.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556279]I often agree with you on your take on things. But not this time. Did it ever occur to you that you're writing to one of those "fly-in mongers" with "specific tastes"? I'm a "white girl chaser". That's who I am! And if Brazil didn't have enough of them to sate my appetites, then I would say so. But no, it's the exact opposite LOL! And you tell me plenty with what you're writing. It's best to let people who are the experts on Brazil tell everybody else what it's like to monger there.[/QUOTE]Specific tastes matter. For instance, I have met a Dutch monger who likes charcoal Black African women. This means 95 percent of African-American women would not be dark enough for him (most have at least 20 percent White admixture). They simply would be not be black enough for him, even if they are clearly "black" to everyone else.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556284]I knew this was your next tactic. Are these "white enough" and "close-up enough" for you?[/QUOTE]Two of the photos, should fit the definition of white by any standard. This question is better directed to other readers, because if I went to Brazil and did not see any white WGs, I would be perfectly fine with that. I like whiteness but I also like variety, but more than both I like slim girls with big tits. All I am saying is that there are readers of the FKK threads, for which whiteness is of utmost importance.

My tactic was to get you to post photos, spur discussion and let other people decide, so thank you! I am not trying to win an argument here. In fact, people like Pessimist have reported that I am too evasive, and do not express strong opinions. I only spent five nights in Brazil, three in Rio, two in Sao Paulo. And spent a total of 4-8 hours in four different termas (night time only visits). Centaurius I was told was the "whitest" club in Rio, I didn't even pick a WG there. I picked an indigenous one at Four-by-Four. At one of the termas in Sao Paulo, I saw a WG that looked like German Janine from Sharks, but she was the only "branca" that I had remote interest in sessioning. I never proclaimed to be an expert, I gave my impression, my opinion of how "white" those two cities are as a whole, and what I saw in the termas. People should take what I wrote with a grain of salt ofc.

Brazil and Sao Paulo were more "ethnic" and brunette to me for sure. People can upgrade to Tinder passport, change their location to locations in Brazil, spend 30 minutes swiping photos and report back. That said, this could just be a by-product of a big city demographics. Because London is way more Black and East Indian than the rest of the UK.

Addressing statistics originally submitted by Pessimist: here is a perspective of a Brazilian Quora user (that has maybe lived in USA or Europe) on the question of whiteness in Brazil. Essentially, he says that because there are so many pardos in Brazil with a mixed, ambiguous look that people can self-identify how they want. The USA, however, has had a one-drop rule, where anybody who looks remotely black is classified as black. Brazil is less rigid:

[QUOTE]According to the 2010 Census, almost half of the population (47,51%). According to the same census, 43.42% are pardos (Ill get there), 7,53% black, 1.1% yellow, 0,43% indians.

[b]As a thought experiment, if a group composed exclusively by white US people (or white European people) would do this same survey here, I would say the results would be more like 15% white, 30% black, 30% indian, 2% yellow, and 23% mixed.[/b]

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-percentage-of-White-population-in-Brazil
[/QUOTE]This does not invalidate what Turgid says. Brazil has triple the population Germany, so numerically there very well could be as many "whites" in Brazil as Germany. Also none of this invalidates what you and Turgid seem to be implying, which is to say that White Brazilians enter paid sex industry proportionately higher than what one might expect. Likewise, me saying I didn't see many "white faces" in Brazil does NOT invalidate your experiences. If I wrote Brazilians are on average poorer than Americans, and you stood up and said "I am Brazilian with a 8-digit net worth", does that mean I am calling you a liar? In fact, I am mildly inspired to visit the South of Brazil. I am slightly skeptical that I would be able to replicate your success finding brancas, but like I said, I wouldn't be bothered if I didn't.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2556375]What kind of girls do you find in Russia if you don't want this type? Even the tatars and chechens aren't tan.[/QUOTE]Tatar, Oural girls are Latina type, some with not at all milky skin. Today I enjoyed a Asian look, Esquimau type Russian, really lovely GFE, so I told her she made a big mistake with me, not asking me money before starting and not even when I finished, when you pay escorts on beginning and as I told her: more safe before and better to hide money while guy is under shower. I felt she was new in business, so I tested and didn't pay before, much more enjoyable than girls counting money. I made sure she understood my advice, in Russian and also with translator, then she answered: but I was told no risk with you by manager, you are a nice man according to girls, at least in Paris with Russian escorts. Now I have proof we are ranked in Paris.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556317]I am willing to consider your suggestion if you can present a superior search engine to Google that shows "the truth" as you perceive it.[/QUOTE]Many here are only thinking with internet data, when I prefer to trust journalists or doctors. Internet, like here, are not truth for me, but so many fakes.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2556379]I am mildly inspired to visit the South of Brazil. I am slightly skeptical that I would be able to replicate your success finding brancas, but like I said, I wouldn't be bothered if I didn't.[/QUOTE]If it's white working girls you want, then going down south where they come from is really not the best way to get them. Girls of all colors travel from all over the country to Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro to work and earn money as tutes. That's where you find the greatest mix of talent, and also the hottest ones. They head off to the big city to earn. It's not that you can't have success anywhere else. You can, and I have in a place like Porto Alegre. But, the overall scene there and in other cities simply can't compete with a Sampa or a Rio. The girls know it, and the ones who can head off for those major metropolises. That also gets them away from the eyes of family and friends. I have other parts of the country I want to see. Places like Salvador and Florianopolis and Rio do Sul. It's such a big and diverse country with so much to see and do (reminds me of the States in this way). And with lots of pretty, "structurally European" white girls available for sexual relations with a kind and generous gentleman LOL!

Yeah, one has to look at genetic studies in Brazil. Self reported race is kind of a joke. Most white Brazilians have something like 20% African in them.

Black, bronze, white does not matter, each have different racial beauties. A night tight twat or expert blow job soon puts such silliness aside. I recall a black as spades UK girl with a posh voice egging me on with outrageous lines "I've been naughty in class, will you bugger me sir" ? With a mischievous wink and smile. The delivery of that in her Harry Potter type uniform and selective glimpses bending over really got me hot, and lots of other play acting. I had a hot almond eyed Russian girl in a khaki uniform with CCCP and red star workers hat on it telling me she wanted fat capitalist cock. And Thai girls are different again, I've found to be generally very skilled (is there some special school they go to. The white American women with slutty trash talk is a turn off.

Imagination, some dress ups, a scene all add to it. Hopefully in October I will have a busty German girl in pigtails and fishnets. I like to plan such scenes, the psychology really adds to the excitement.

All I need now is for Governments to recognize my Gypsy tear amulet as a sure fire preventative against disease. As mentioned before, CIA / conspiracy / cover up / UFO intrigue prevents this simple and effective COVID measure.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556398]Many here are only thinking with internet data, when I prefer to trust journalists or doctors. Internet, like here, are not truth for me, but so many fakes.[/QUOTE]What is the Internet? Trusted organizations publish data on the internet. Scientists publish research in a journal accessed via the internet. The internet is also used as a place for professionals to come together and share ideas, discoveries, facts and construct a plan of action. The "internet" is what you take from it. Trust bullshit sources, get bullshit information. But knowing your source and which ones are objective, verifiable, and dependable allows you to extract accurate information and DATA more offen than not.

To trust journalists more than data is trusting that sensationalism and opinion is never part of a report. They are by definition, second-hand sources. Meanwhile, published data in research and statistics journals are actually primary sources. Or sometimes people only retain the information that they want to believe.

If you were medical personnel, you might know that western physicians are at the core, scientifically trained. As such most physicians will not make declarations without knowing most of the data. The nature of the profession prepares most physicians to speak with conservative tendencies, at least when speaking when in the professional role. As such, a physician's statements will most often veer on the side of the worst possible scenario considering the facts given. However, that will often not mean the most likely scenario. In private, most healthcare providers in developed nations are optimistic about the near future. However, public speech is usually more reserved and conservative in the forecast. In addition, accuracy and precision of your words are of utmost importance. Instead of saying that "a procedure is safe" your mother will live, one would say the risks are relatively low and statistics suggests a favorable outcome. Even that last bit is questionable.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556329]Yes, many people of Germanic and Italian descent settled in the south. The girls from there will often refer to themselves as "gauchas". I have a good friend from Rio (not a tute) whose family is originally from Italy. She's a blondie and looks European all the way. I met this one blonde at Scandallo who looked like she just stepped off the boat from Kiel, Germany LOL! Blonde and blue and snow white (and slender). I was like, "Wow Mr. Ho would love her! But tonight The Cane is the one who's fucking her"! Hahaha! Yes, you see more people of Italian descent live in Brazil than in any other place in the world. Same for Japanese people (only more in Japan). Same for people of African descent (only more in Nigeria). Then you have those of Native descent. And of course the Portuguese descended and more such as the Germans! It's such a diverse place, and I love it![/QUOTE]So if I ever go to Brazil, and at the passport control, the officer ask me the purpose of the entry, I will be like "I'm here for Gauchas" LOL! So they think I am a vet LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2556348]USA should legalize p6. Otherwise if they only allow it in Nevada and maybe on the natives land, the prices will just stay way too high. So quite useless! I think we are better off going elsewhere in the world.

The only thing the USA is good for is stolen alien technologies, and maybe they'll manage some decent brain machine interfaces in a decade or two. Now that could be fun. But still just a dream. Theoretically we could make our brain think it was affected by love and sex hormones. Making us feel sex ten times as strong, or last all day long. Just a pipe dream? Maybe. Maybe not.[/QUOTE]Stolen Alien technology? Oh, you are one of those Roswell incident believer huh? Hmmm, it is possible they see us from somewhere, or they are already here and they can be some force without physical body, but I do pray to them to give me the best sex life with young beautiful stunners every year for life LOL! And I am grateful I got that in my life!

However, this year, I have to be bit creative, I am thinking whether to station here to look for one stunner Eurasian that I have not found this year yet and take a risk and go for it! Or if FKK like globe etc open during summer, go there to take risk, but hey hmmmm why risk our lung and health for just sex hey? We had amazing sex life and for me it is only this year that in halt as I went last year before lock down, so I may take Eurasian option here if I manage to find the stunner! And take a risk for one night as I do need to get my dick sucked and get anal licked LOL! It is like taking bath for me LOL! Or recharging my battery to live LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556398]Many here are only thinking with internet data, when I prefer to trust journalists or doctors. Internet, like here, are not truth for me, but so many fakes.[/QUOTE]You ask journalists and doctors about the percent of white or mixed race people in Brazil? OK.

Who should I ask if I am a journalist and married to a doctor? I guess there is no need for internet for such couples.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2556375]What kind of girls do you find in Russia if you don't want this type? Even the tatars and chechens aren't tan.[/QUOTE]Just like Brazil, Russia is a melting pot of hot girls of all ethnic types. I remember the single biggest shock visiting Moscow first time is how many hot slim women there are. Sit in a cafe for a half-life hour and dozens will walk by, unlike the cattle parade of the US. But I digress.

In any club in Russia there is a nice mix. Last time there I went with a girl who looked like J Lo. Another like Arianna Grande and the final one was Tatyana below. Very hot and very nice skin tone IMO. Her face is to die for also BTW.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556398]Many here are only thinking with internet data, when I prefer to trust journalists or doctors. Internet, like here, are not truth for me, but so many fakes.[/QUOTE]Yes, somebody who trusts journalists or doctors, yet never quotes these journalists or doctors. Based on previous established credibility it's much more likely that it's all made up.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556414]Girls of all colors travel from all over the country to Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro to work [/QUOTE]Speaking of the metropolitan / cosmopolitan nature of the girls, what's your opinion regarding the proportion of hookers that actually speak English? And mastery level compared to Romanians or Thais? Rough estimate of course.

I get that translation apps get the job done, but just wanted to gauge if some natural communication in either Spanish or English would be possible. It just ruins the vibe having to constantly use the apps, especially if needing to communicate mid-fuck. My Portuguese knowledge is zero.

And for non mongering time, I would hate to constantly have my phone out for all to see, especially if you carry nice newer phones in countries known for both petty and violent crime.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556279]I often agree with you on your take on things. But not this time. Did it ever occur to you that you're writing to one of those "fly-in mongers" with "specific tastes"? I'm a "white girl chaser". That's who I am! And if Brazil didn't have enough of them to sate my appetites, then I would say so. But no, it's the exact opposite LOL! And you tell me plenty with what you're writing. It's best to let people who are the experts on Brazil tell everybody else what it's like to monger there.[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't care if all girls are blond haired and blued eyed. I like 75 percent of the color spectrum, so long as there is not an inch of belly fat or jiggle in the butt. A little softness in the belly is okay but if I see even a tiny belly roll, it's likely a no-go. Likewise, big butts are okay for me, but there is a difference between a bouncy butt and a jiggly butt.

The term "big tits" can also lead to trouble. Some people love big tits no matter what. But pendulous D_ cups where the nipples point slightly down are very different than D_ cups with nipples that point straight or even up.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556318]Since we are in DE threads and our beloved Romie WGs; so, there is this company called UiPath which was founded by a couple of Romanian dudes. Came over to US, made it bigger, now it had its IPO and worth $35 billion. To put that in perspective, the entire market capitalization of all Romanian companies on their stock market (yes, they do have one) is in the same $30 be range.

It must be a moment of pride and also sadness for Romanians. It is not a country that produces super, world leading tech companies. But the sadness is that the founders migrated to the US, and now their firm is just another American firm. They will be rich, become fully American, and it will have minimal benefit to Romania.

Even when they create great firms in Europe, so many of those founders and firms eventually end up here.[/QUOTE]That's American Exceptionalism. Dollars and Marketing. We're beneficiaries of abundance. Wasteful and inefficient, but we still have enough collective wealth and a spending culture to foster entrepreneurship. Ironic that the company you mentioned provides a tool to eliminate inefficiency and redundancy.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556318]Since we are in DE threads and our beloved Romie WGs; so, there is this company called UiPath which was founded by a couple of Romanian dudes. Came over to US, made it bigger, now it had its IPO and worth $35 billion. To put that in perspective, the entire market capitalization of all Romanian companies on their stock market (yes, they do have one) is in the same $30 be range.

It must be a moment of pride and also sadness for Romanians. It is not a country that produces super, world leading tech companies. But the sadness is that the founders migrated to the US, and now their firm is just another American firm. They will be rich, become fully American, and it will have minimal benefit to Romania.

Even when they create great firms in Europe, so many of those founders and firms eventually end up here.[/QUOTE]That's American Exceptionalism. Dollars and Marketing. We're beneficiaries of abundance. Wasteful and inefficient, but we still have enough collective wealth and a spending culture to foster entrepreneurship. Ironic that the company you mentioned provides a tool to eliminate inefficiency and redundancy.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556414]If it's white working girls you want, then going down south where they come from is really not the best way to get them. Girls of all colors travel from all over the country to Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro to work and earn money as tutes. That's where you find the greatest mix of talent, and also the hottest ones. They head off to the big city to earn. It's not that you can't have success anywhere else. You can, and I have in a place like Porto Alegre. But, the overall scene there and in other cities simply can't compete with a Sampa or a Rio. The girls know it, and the ones who can head off for those major metropolises. That also gets them away from the eyes of family and friends. I have other parts of the country I want to see. Places like Salvador and Florianopolis and Rio do Sul. It's such a big and diverse country with so much to see and do (reminds me of the States in this way). And with lots of pretty, "structurally European" white girls available for sexual relations with a kind and generous gentleman LOL![/QUOTE]So it is bit like German FKK and Romania. I went to Romania and unfortunately I could not monger there as I went with female friend who is Romanian, but I got the feeling that mongering Romanian girls are way better at German FKK than mongering in their home nation Romania.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556329]Yes, many people of Germanic and Italian descent settled in the south. The girls from there will often refer to themselves as "gauchas". I have a good friend from Rio (not a tute) whose family is originally from Italy. She's a blondie and looks European all the way. I met this one blonde at Scandallo who looked like she just stepped off the boat from Kiel, Germany LOL! Blonde and blue and snow white (and slender). I was like, "Wow Mr. Ho would love her! But tonight The Cane is the one who's fucking her"! Hahaha! Yes, you see more people of Italian descent live in Brazil than in any other place in the world. Same for Japanese people (only more in Japan). Same for people of African descent (only more in Nigeria). Then you have those of Native descent. And of course the Portuguese descended and more such as the Germans! It's such a diverse place, and I love it![/QUOTE]I meant to say that more people of Italian descent live in Brazil than in any other part of the world, other than in Italy itself. Sao Paulo is the largest Italian community in the world outside of Italy.

[URL]https://www.aboutsaopaulo.com/culture/italian/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2556529]Hilarious. Conservative? Like stuffing the customer (patient) pipeline full to ensure inadequate patient time to maximize revenue; or the opiod over-prescribing for cash; regular prosecution for defrauding the government, thalidomide and the list goes on. Doctoring and the white coat of objectivity is just as much a bullshit priesthood industry as any other with its mystique. The outcomes for diabetes and treatment of symptoms and not causes is incompatible with the business model. Ask a barber if you need a haircut.

Medical profession has caused plenty of harm. They even have a fancy name "iatrogenic" for "we fucked up". And never explain, foreclose options etc etc.

PS: Tatyana in the last post would certainly cure depression or stress ! Smoking hot ![/QUOTE]Haha. Imma ask my barber if I need a haircut.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2556494]Speaking of the metropolitan / cosmopolitan nature of the girls, what's your opinion regarding the proportion of hookers that actually speak English? And mastery level compared to Romanians or Thais? Rough estimate of course.

I get that translation apps get the job done, but just wanted to gauge if some natural communication in either Spanish or English would be possible. It just ruins the vibe having to constantly use the apps, especially if needing to communicate mid-fuck. My Portuguese knowledge is zero.

And for non mongering time, I would hate to constantly have my phone out for all to see, especially if you carry nice newer phones in countries known for both petty and violent crime.[/QUOTE]Most of the girls you meet won't speak English, but you will invariably run into some that do. For those who don't, if you can speak Spanish, that will aid you greatly, since if you speak it slowly enough most will understand you (even if they say they don't speak Spanish). But just don't walk up to a Brazilian person and start jabbering away in Spanish expecting them to understand you. That's just plain rude. They speak Portuguese, which is something close to Spanish, but obviously not the same. Now, I've never had a major problem communicating. Between what Portuguese I know, and between what English and Spanish they know (plus the indispensable Google Translate app), I've been fine. Brazilian people tend to be patient and friendly and willing to work with you if you show the same. That's not always true with respect to other peoples and cultures I have experienced around the world.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2556608]That being said let it be known that there are many white Brazilian providers who have no percentage of any other race in them just like the general population.

I do now and have always liked 100% Caucasian women even though I do date other women. Nevertheless, my favorite destination of all time was not even in Europe, it was Argentina. However, disaster struck in around 2010 when the authorities decided to clamp down on p4p there. That affected me badly. No more abundant cheap beautiful white women; I then began to visit more often Brazil and Germany. One has to roll with the times.[/QUOTE]I mongered in Argentina several times too, but always preferred Brazil, even during the good times in Argentina (anal haha). If one was looking for a little "color" in Buenos Aires, there was a significant number of girls from Paraguay working there. There was this one cafe where a lot of them hung out too. I forget the name of it, but I went there once. It was quite fertile for Paraguayan talent. Paraguay itself sucks LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556465]You ask journalists and doctors about the percent of white or mixed race people in Brazil? OK.

Who should I ask if I am a journalist and married to a doctor? I guess there is no need for internet for such couples.[/QUOTE]Many here are repeating internet data, when I prefer information's from French journalists or doctors. Also good point to be able to think with own brain, not just to be a follower. I'm not a good sheep.

Yeah, patient non-compliance, lack of education & laziness is a huge issue, and so is crap education to avoid 90% of the supermarket core, HFCS etc etc. They think there is pill for everything and they can outsource crap lifestyle choices. Amazing to see huge lines at supermarkets, one for shit food and the other for meds to fix the consequences of crap food. On the other hand, doctors do not allocate the time or attempt to fix the underlying lifestyle error, and that in turn is because of a warped payment scheme that encourages short consults. Having said that, a tsunami of brand name (as opposed to generic) metformin, opioids and anti-depressants are all the result of direct or indirect kickbacks, and same with statins that have very low clinical efficacy but high cost. And part of that is because they stuff the pipeline full to maximize revenue to time ratio (which also transfers time wasting risk onto patients having to wait around because there is no slack in the schedule to catch up).

Doctors work hard, some specialists extremely so, and training is high stress slave labor. But so are many other occupations. Most are well meaning. Most manage to avoid becoming cynical and mercantile. But it is also an industry and has the most influence to educate and change and also enjoys information asymmetry on options it often has a financial interest in steering a certain way.

Why do white coats have a aura of trust compared to others? Whatever was the case in the 1950's black and white movies, in 2021 medicine is merchandized with TV ads, a totally fake multi-tier pricing scheme distorted by discounts, which is why the same test in the same venipuncture place and same lab can vary by 600%or seeing a doctor is $450 without a plan and all sorts of tedious, opaque bullshit, lies, discounts, magic words. Example: recent dental trip: $1400 face value, but some bullshit $20 a year club / app dropped to $350, even though the club is just a price negotiator of should have been charged in the first place. The fact that the white coats "tried on" a 300% overcharge shows the opportunistic games. Most patients cannot afford $1050 trick or that the dentist neglected to mention the street prices. It is very stressful for patients, because it takes huge amount of time and effort and shopping around to get real data rather than the aspirational pricing BS doctors staff peddle. A ridiculous amount of BS has tarnished doctoring, at least in the USA. Pricing is inextricable from trust, especially where the differences are 4-10 fold.

Same with drugs. 800% price delta for same drug and amount is routine, and even greater when the same drug is brought in Canada. And, the justice department / FBI has a full time department just dealing with medicare / medicaid fraud ranging from phantom visits, dodgy coding to get the most expensive items, unnecessary tests and kickbacks. Health management (rationing) organizations, duplicated coding and doctors needing full time admin staff just to deal with insurance is unique to USA with high GDP costs and crap outcomes relative to say Germany or Japan with set, transparent fees.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556582]I meant to say that more people of Italian descent live in Brazil than in any other part of the world, other than in Italy itself. Sao Paulo is the largest Italian community in the world outside of Italy.

[URL]https://www.aboutsaopaulo.com/culture/italian/[/URL][/QUOTE]More than NYC?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556604]Most of the girls you meet won't speak English, but you will invariably run into some that do. For those who don't, if you can speak Spanish, that will aid you greatly, since if you speak it slowly enough most will understand you (even if they say they don't speak Spanish). But just don't walk up to a Brazilian person and start jabbering away in Spanish expecting them to understand you. That's just plain rude. They speak Portuguese, which is something close to Spanish, but obviously not the same. Now, I've never had a major problem communicating. Between what Portuguese I know, and between what English and Spanish they know (plus the indispensable Google Translate app), I've been fine. Brazilian people tend to be patient and friendly and willing to work with you if you show the same. That's not always true with respect to other peoples and cultures I have experienced around the world.[/QUOTE]We have small very efficient translation device now, the one you can talk and this little machine do the talking for you in foreign language. Whatta amazing world we live in though I do not own one of those LOL!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2556721]Yeah, patient non-compliance, lack of education & laziness is a huge issue, and so is crap education to avoid 90% of the supermarket core, HFCS etc etc. They think there is pill for everything and they can outsource crap lifestyle choices. Amazing to see huge lines at supermarkets, one for shit food and the other for meds to fix the consequences of crap food. On the other hand, doctors do not allocate the time or attempt to fix the underlying[/QUOTE]Opinion on community-based general practice doctors noted. I'll make sure to share your criticism with those colleagues.

So what are your opinions about the other 85% of medicine. Say Emergency, critical care, OBGYN, pediatricians, psychiatrists, neurologists, neurosurgeons, cardio-thoracic surgeons, endocrinologists, urologists, proctologists, oncologists, infectious disease, nephrologists, telehealth docs, concierge physicians, reconstructive surgery, medical geneticists, research physicians, palliative care, hospice medicine, and the corresponding nurse practitioners and PAs? Because only 3 apply to me. Wouldn't know much about price setting, booking appointments, and pharmaceutical kickbacks. Because breaking down my pay package, I have no idea how much revenue that last intubation put in my greedy pockets.

Again, I suggest you write to your Senator about medical billing, pharmaceuticals industries, and whatever policy-level grievances that you may have.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2556752]French docs were the first to say Hydroxychloroquine works after showing results in a test tube. I can also put mercury in a test tube and kill a lot of things.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/covid-professor-didier-raoult-hydroxychloroquine[/URL][/QUOTE]It's better to be able to deny reality (or bare facts) when you live in a fantasy world.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556582]I meant to say that more people of Italian descent live in Brazil than in any other part of the world, other than in Italy itself....[/QUOTE]But but Mr. Cane you said you've mongered in Argentina?? No worries, a little lapse is acceptable in this time of covid.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2556894]But but Mr. Cane you said you've mongered in Argentina?? No worries, a little lapse is acceptable in this time of covid.[/QUOTE]Yes, lots of Italians in Argentina too. There is some debate about which has the most, Brazil or Argentina. Depends on who and how you're counting I guess. Suffice it to say that both countries have a lot of Italians! And, there is no question that the mega city of Sao Paulo has not only one of the largest populations in the world period, but the largest Italian community in the world outside of Italy itself. And yes Mr. Ho, that includes New York City.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2556735]More than NYC?[/QUOTE]There are an estimated 6 million of Italian heritage in Sao Paulo. Obviously many will be mixed but it tells you something.

There are probably more Japanese in Sao Paulo than Italians in NYC. Most of NYC is non-white.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2556988]There are an estimated 6 million of Italian heritage in Sao Paulo. Obviously many will be mixed but it tells you something.

There are probably more Japanese in Sao Paulo than Italians in NYC. Most of NYC is non-white.[/QUOTE]Aha, thank you, so you Brazil goers mongers are Italian stunner fuckers huh? LOL! It is shame that Brazil is exactly opposite of me LOL! But I did fuck plenty of nice Brazilian stunner in Swiss French part as many of working girls in Swiss French parts were Brazilians.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556899]Yes, lots of Italians in Argentina too. There is some debate about which has the most, Brazil or Argentina. Depends on who and how you're counting I guess. Suffice it to say that both countries have a lot of Italians! And, there is no question that the mega city of Sao Paulo has not only one of the largest populations in the world period, but the largest Italian community in the world outside of Italy itself. And yes Mr. Ho, that includes New York City.[/QUOTE]Germany and south America. Many Germans fled to Brazil after second world war. The region did not develop well considering the region had such European immigration and so rich in raw material! I wonder why that is?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557015]Aha, thank you, so you Brazil goers mongers are Italian stunner fuckers huh? LOL! It is shame that Brazil is exactly opposite of me LOL! But I did fuck plenty of nice Brazilian stunner in Swiss French part as many of working girls in Swiss French parts were Brazilians.[/QUOTE]P.S.: We German FKK goers mongers are Italian stunner fuckers too, but those are Italian with fluent Romanian language skill in German FKK LOL! Somehow LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557016]Germany and south America. Many Germans fled to Brazil after second world war. The region did not develop well considering the region had such European immigration and so rich in raw material! I wonder why that is?[/QUOTE]Portuguese culture and influence? Too much anal sex? I don't know. Just do it! LOL!

However it's cut, the white coat is just another priesthood, biochemists deal far harder data than human vets and all the baggage that comes with it. Just recently was some bullshit in NY "free covid tests" but forgot to mention the "facility fee" of $4 k they bilked people for. Too many forked tongues have fucked America's trust in the white coats, just as the trope of white coats and stethoscopes peddling all manner of BS, books and fake supplements. Many have joined the anti-vaxxers for cash and fame. There are some great USA doctors, like one I used, impeccable credentials, cash only (and I mean CASH, no insurance BS or other gimmicks, set price, no funny business), spotless well equipped surgery and a room full of happy patients. Notably he did away with being a slave for bullshit insurer games and gaming people. But they are rare. Then there are the places it costs $500 to get a new script if you pay cash or $5 with insurance. A friend gets $60 a consult from shithead insurance but the bill is like $400 on fake made up numbers to scare patients. He just did the same. One price, cash or card, no credit, no BS and $80 and is booked solid, no need for receptionists and 3 coders.

Many now get their meds from Canada and medical tourism is huge where 1st class medical care can be had at a fraction of the USA.

As for me, thanks to Gypsy tears amulet I never get sick or catch anything. Can anyone can translate Maximus Flagrante Delicto one of the ROM girls muttered after I examined and massaged a girls tonsils in a manner you can imagine and a blast of tadpole therapy with all sorts of claimed health benefits I plan to publish when the fake moon landing / UFO / CIA / government conspiracy allows me to share these theoretical breakthroughs. Luckily many girls are willing to give it a shot, so as to speak

These folk simply learned how to play the game, an example in greed and cynicism for short term gains at the expense of everyone else including tame stockholders, or rather speculators on the stock register for 5 minutes. Obviously they are "smarter" than MDs in manipulation and are seen to bring much to the table. Oh wait.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2556899]Yes, lots of Italians in Argentina too. There is some debate about which has the most, Brazil or Argentina. Depends on who and how you're counting I guess. Suffice it to say that both countries have a lot of Italians! And, there is no question that the mega city of Sao Paulo has not only one of the largest populations in the world period, but the largest Italian community in the world outside of Italy itself. And yes Mr. Ho, that includes New York City.[/QUOTE]Well judging from my experience alone I saw mostly people of Italian descent in Buenos Aires and banged perhaps 90% Italians (as hot or even hotter than FKK Romanians). In Sao Paulo Italians were a smaller percentage seen and banged. But yes they both do have a lot of Italians. The hottest women I have seen in all my travels were in Argentina and Sweden.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2557065]However it's cut, the white coat is just another priesthood, biochemists deal far harder data than human vets and all the baggage that comes with it. Just recently was some bullshit in NY "free covid tests" but forgot to mention the "facility fee" of $4 k they bilked people for. Too many forked tongues have fucked America's trust in the white coats, just as the trope of white coats and stethoscopes peddling all manner of BS, books and fake supplements. Many have joined the anti-vaxxers for cash and fame. There are some great USA doctors, like one I used, impeccable credentials, cash only (and I mean CASH, no insurance BS or other gimmicks, set price, no funny business), spotless well equipped surgery and a room full of happy patients. Notably he did away with being a slave for bullshit insurer games and gaming people. But they are rare. Then there are the places it costs $500 to get a new script if you pay cash or $5 with insurance. A friend gets $60 a consult from shithead insurance but the bill is like $400 on fake made up numbers to scare patients. He just did the same. One price, cash or card, no credit, no BS and $80 and is booked solid, no need for receptionists and 3 coders.

Many now get their meds from Canada and medical tourism is huge where 1st class medical care can be had at a fraction of the USA.[/QUOTE]Ugh, more of the same penis dribble. It's apparent that you are only familiar with American healthcare talking points in the news and general practice in the outpatient setting.

Come back when you learn about the other 85% of healthcare.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2557177]Well judging from my experience alone I saw mostly people of Italian descent in Buenos Aires and banged perhaps 90% Italians (as hot or even hotter than FKK Romanians). In Sao Paulo Italians were a smaller percentage seen and banged. But yes they both do have a lot of Italians. The hottest women I have seen in all my travels were in Argentina and Sweden.[/QUOTE]As you can see from my photos, in Brazil I have banged plenty of "Italians". "Germans" too wink wink! No shortage of them. People (not talking about you) need to stop following misguided, conventional thinking based on what they "heard" or what they "surmised" based on what they know (which isn't enough). Not all Brazilian women have big butts, there are plenty of "structurally white" ones if you seek that (take it from a "white girl seeker" who knows), and a lot of them are even of Italian (or German) descent. LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557036]Portuguese culture and influence? Too much anal sex? I don't know. Just do it! LOL![/QUOTE]It is just intriguing that how most nations with raw material fail to develop. But that allow us to enjoy the la creme des creme pussies, so no complain there, down side of economy is where mongers thrive.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2557066]These folk simply learned how to play the game, an example in greed and cynicism for short term gains at the expense of everyone else including tame stockholders, or rather speculators on the stock register for 5 minutes. Obviously they are "smarter" than MDs in manipulation and are seen to bring much to the table. Oh wait.[/QUOTE]Short term gains in expense of everyone else like husbands is where we mongers attack, we are more flying guerrilla warfare type who fly in to Germany, stick our swords into pussies of some young stunners before they eventually convince some dumb ass future husband to marry them, we are more of a 50 euro per 30 min kinda guy and it is priceless our way LOL! Arbitrage LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557266]Short term gains in expense of everyone else like husbands is where we mongers attack, we are more flying guerrilla warfare type who fly in to Germany, stick our swords into pussies of some young stunners before they eventually convince some dumb ass future husband to marry them, we are more of a 50 euro per 30 min kinda guy and it is priceless our way LOL! Arbitrage LOL![/QUOTE]Alpha Chad gets the girl before Beta Brad. Viva La FKK!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2557177]Well judging from my experience alone I saw mostly people of Italian descent in Buenos Aires and banged perhaps 90% Italians (as hot or even hotter than FKK Romanians). In Sao Paulo Italians were a smaller percentage seen and banged. But yes they both do have a lot of Italians. The hottest women I have seen in all my travels were in Argentina and Sweden.[/QUOTE]That all sounds good and fine, but Argentina and Brazil are 3rd world countries. DE is not. I prefer to be in a first-world country paying 3rd world prices at FKK.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557284]Alpha Chad gets the girl before Beta Brad. Viva La FKK![/QUOTE]Super funny. Stealing this.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557284]Alpha Chad gets the girl before Beta Brad. Viva La FKK![/QUOTE]First boyfriend or two do the hardest job.

PIMP or loverboys do the actual job which need quite a skill to send girls to FKK.

Us mongers are here, who pays 50 euro per 30 min etc to do what we want.

Husbands are here, who pay millions of dollars and all his time and life to support her and he cannot do what he want as women hold sex as tool to negotiate in marriage.

It is funny to see some FKK girls with their husbands LOL!

In this day and age of convenience, unless you want children or you have no companion in life but wife, there is no point in marriage LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557245]As you can see from my photos, in Brazil I have banged plenty of "Italians". "Germans" too wink wink! No shortage of them. People (not talking about you) need to stop following misguided, conventional thinking based on what they "heard" or what they "surmised" based on what they know (which isn't enough). Not all Brazilian women have big butts, there are plenty of "structurally white" ones if you seek that (take it from a "white girl seeker" who knows), and a lot of them are even of Italian (or German) descent. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]One thing I can assure you is that those Italians must have been real Italian, not those Italian in German FKK with special fluent language skill of Romanian language LOL!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557285]That all sounds good and fine, but Argentina and Brazil are 3rd world countries. DE is not. I prefer to be in a first-world country paying 3rd world prices at FKK.[/QUOTE]I am not sure I would really consider Argentina to be a third world country, although I sometimes see it defined as such. Of four ladies I saw there, the most memorable from a conversation standpoint was an Italian lady who grew up primarily in Britain and moved around the world every few years with her dog. She was fascinating. Worked a regular job and escorted too. The best looking of the four looked like Phoebe Cates in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. One of the four was unfortunately pure trash who stole the toilet paper when she left. I stayed in a very nice hotel and the city had wide, tree-lined streets and a lot to see and very good food. The prices of the ladies weren't bad at all, and all but the trashy one was GFE.

[URL]https://www.frostmartinhazel.org/index.php/2007/06/01/is-argentina-a-third-world-country/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557285]That all sounds good and fine, but Argentina and Brazil are 3rd world countries. DE is not. I prefer to be in a first-world country paying 3rd world prices at FKK.[/QUOTE]Many poor and economic crisis since many years, but also many poor in US. Not 3rd world countries for me. Not sure much more poor than Romania, Bulgaria, Moldavia, or Ukraine killed by Putin. Both seem more interesting for holidays than Germany. Except brothels, would many go to Germany for holidays? When many went to Brazil for holidays before covid. Unfortunately they have crazy Bolsonaro, when US are now gotten rid of crazy orange golfer.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557285]That all sounds good and fine, but Argentina and Brazil are 3rd world countries. DE is not. I prefer to be in a first-world country paying 3rd world prices at FKK.[/QUOTE]I would say that Argentina and Brazil are "tweeners". Somewhere between the 1st world and the 3rd world in that gray "2nd world" space, with Argentina being a bit closer to the 1st world than Brazil is overall. I'm quite comfortable in either country, and would consider retiring in places like an Argentina or a Brazil. On the other hand, just to pick on South America, I would never retire in places like Guyana, Suriname, and Bolivia.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557285]That all sounds good and fine, but Argentina and Brazil are 3rd world countries. DE is not. I prefer to be in a first-world country paying 3rd world prices at FKK.[/QUOTE]And how in the world do you consider FKK prices to be 3rd world pray tell? Where I come from, earning 50 to 60 euros for 30 minutes of work is in no way "3rd world". If I session with a tute for an hour and end up paying her 100 euros to 300 euros, depending on what services she provides, that's some damn good money she just earned! For you to think that's "3rd world" pricing, you must be from Switzerland or Dubai or Japan or some shit LOL! Because for everybody else, that's letting go of some good money for an expensive personal service! Nothing near impoverished, 3rd world rates. Again, not where I come from.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557285]That all sounds good and fine, but Argentina and Brazil are 3rd world countries. DE is not. I prefer to be in a first-world country paying 3rd world prices at FKK.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say all parts of Brazil is 3rd world. Some parts are more like 2nd world. Like Sao Paulo, Brazilian and some places elsewhere in Sao Paulo or the 3 southern states.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557245]As you can see from my photos, in Brazil I have banged plenty of "Italians". "Germans" too wink wink! No shortage of them. People (not talking about you) need to stop following misguided, conventional thinking based on what they "heard" or what they "surmised" based on what they know (which isn't enough). Not all Brazilian women have big butts, there are plenty of "structurally white" ones if you seek that (take it from a "white girl seeker" who knows), and a lot of them are even of Italian (or German) descent. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Too many men watch the Miss Bumbum competitions. I don't think they can get enough women to have such a competition in Argentina. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557304]First boyfriend or two do the hardest job.

PIMP or loverboys do the actual job which need quite a skill to send girls to FKK.

Us mongers are here, who pays 50 euro per 30 min etc to do what we want.

Husbands are here, who pay millions of dollars and all his time and life to support her and he cannot do what he want as women hold sex as tool to negotiate in marriage.

It is funny to see some FKK girls with their husbands LOL!

In this day and age of convenience, unless you want children or you have no companion in life but wife, there is no point in marriage LOL![/QUOTE]If you are just looking for mechanical sex you are right but if you are looking for better sex, for higher things than just a shot term pleasure I don t agree with you. Most of the people are spending a lot of energy to accumulate a welfare without children who will benefit from it?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557392]And how in the world do you consider FKK prices to be 3rd world pray tell? Where I come from, earning 50 to 60 euros for 30 minutes of work is in no way "3rd world". If I session with a tute for an hour and end up paying her 100 euros to 300 euros, depending on what services she provides, that's some damn good money she just earned! For you to think that's "3rd world" pricing, you must be from Switzerland or Dubai or Japan or some shit LOL! Because for everybody else, that's letting go of some good money for an expensive personal service! Nothing near impoverished, 3rd world rates. Again, not where I come from.[/QUOTE]But let's be honest, as westerners with first world bank accounts, considering that you can rent penthouses in places like Vietnam for $30 per night, it's first world for us in most places we go.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557285]That all sounds good and fine, but Argentina and Brazil are 3rd world countries. DE is not. I prefer to be in a first-world country paying 3rd world prices at FKK.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/400-murders-a-day-the-crisis-of-latin-america-1537455390[/URL]

"With just 8% of the world's population, Latin America accounts for roughly a third of global murders. It is also the only region where lethal violence has grown steadily since 2000, according to United Nations figures.

Nearly one in every four murders around the world takes place in just four countries: Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia. Last year, a record 63,808 people were murdered in Brazil. Mexico also set a record at 31,174, with murders so far this year up another 20%.

The 2016 tally in China, according to the you. And. : 8,634. For the entire European Union: 5,351. The United States: 17,250.

While murder rates are falling in most of the world, in Latin America the number of murders has grown about 3. 7% a year since 2000, three times faster than the population, according to the Igarapé Institute. The region's murder rate, at about 24 per 100,000 right now, will hit 35 per 100,000 by 2030 if the trend isn't reversed.

Crime affects everyday life. About half of respondents in Latin America said they stopped going out at night, while more than 1-in-10 said they had moved due to the fear of violence, according to a survey from the you. And. Considering Latin America's population, that's more than 62 million people who felt the need to change homes."

BTW, [URL]seeking.com[/URL] has pretty nice presence in Buenos Aires. There several dozens if not a couple hundred girls logged in whenever you check the site. I just did now: in the last 24 hours there are more than 500 girls who logged into that site seeking sugar daddies. In contrast, in Moscow, there roughly 250 girls who have logged in seeking sugar daddies.

But on any attraction scale, there is not even a comparison. I would gladly do more than 75% of the Moscow girls. Most of them are far more attractive than the average FKK girl. In Buenos Aires, my hit ratio would be much smaller.

On seeking, girls (and men) voluntarily disclose their ethnicity. Of course, you can see the photo but the ethnicity tag is more for the purpose of search. Even the girls who list their ethnicity as White in Buenos Aires have a very clear Latino look, may of them do anyhow. Now, there are some guys here (or one) who thinks there is no such thing as a White look or a Latino body, and more power to them (although some of these dudes do not appreciate that others can have views different from their own). Be that as it may, you can look for yourself and assess whether the White girls in these Latino countries have the same look and feel as those in German FKKs. Not a few exceptions but as a rule (can also look at escort sites in any of those cities if you are not on seeking or other sugar sites).

Finally, I agree with you that 50 E is a third world price for half hour of sex if good service was included, as it used to be. Nowadays that is no longer the case. I would gladly take an hour for 100 E if the service was good but even that is getting rare, at least with the attractive ones. If prices creep up to 200 an hour, I can do it with sugar babes in my own town w / o having to fly across oceans. I think FKKs are still attractive from the ambience aspect but unit price economics is almost ceasing to be a good enough reason to travel that far. If I were a local in DE, yes, it is still a good proposition but to justify taking a week off, spending thousands on hotels and flight just to get a chance to fuck, hmm. I would say you can justify it if taking at least 15 to 20 sessions in a trip because it is a huge headache to get it done with that many in the US even if willing to pay the cash. But for anyone doing less than 10 sessions per trip, flying to DE from US is not so compelling.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2557291]Super funny. Stealing this.[/QUOTE]Public Domain now, courtesy of IP Hiden Biden.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557392]And how in the world do you consider FKK prices to be 3rd world pray tell? Where I come from, earning 50 to 60 euros for 30 minutes of work is in no way "3rd world". If I session with a tute for an hour and end up paying her 100 euros to 300 euros, depending on what services she provides, that's some damn good money she just earned! For you to think that's "3rd world" pricing, you must be from Switzerland or Dubai or Japan or some shit LOL! Because for everybody else, that's letting go of some good money for an expensive personal service! Nothing near impoverished, 3rd world rates. Again, not where I come from.[/QUOTE]Apparently I struck a nerve. Apologies, I never intentionally irritate other mongers. My point is this. I can't even buy a tank of gas for my car for the price of a 30 min appointment at Sharks. In my book, that's 3rd world pricing. As for the Brazilian and Argentinian white knights on the board, let me ask you this. If you needed open-heart surgery, would you go to the USA or DE, or would you go to South America? That's the definition of 3rd world my friends. Not to be argumentative, but just think on that for a while. Prost!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557476]Apparently I struck a nerve. Apologies, I never intentionally irritate other mongers. My point is this. I can't even buy a tank of gas for my car for the price of a 30 min appointment at Sharks. In my book, that's 3rd world pricing. As for the Brazilian and Argentinian white knights on the board, let me ask you this. If you needed open-heart surgery, would you go to the USA or DE, or would you go to South America? That's the definition of 3rd world my friends. Not to be argumentative, but just think on that for a while. Prost![/QUOTE]Side point:

Germany for Cardiac and orthopedics hands down.

Medical holidays in "third world countries":

Thailand's Bumrungrad Hospital. It's basically a private western plopped in SE Asia. Tons of British and American docs.

Turkey for hair transplants.

Suggest you clear you inbox. As to Hertz, it is a public record, part of the rising price post bankruptcy was a probably a case of puts being covered. It is bizarre, but money can be had with a call and put straddle on fucked companies where the market has mispriced: 13 FS on DE Shaw and a few other usual suspect is a pretty good jungle guide and usually front running the market. Derivatives are way bigger than the main market and is where the real action is. Gamestop was a rare example of retail winning by fluke.

Yeah, the induction alpha Chad before beta brad is pretty funny, and I'd agree the women keepers are for children or love, and both of these are risky. Too many men bet their emotional deck of cards on a single point of failure. Families are what most people bet on, but the failure rate statistics are cruel, DNA siblings and relationships are no guarantee of anything special and often have pretty weak and conditional bonds. Equally or more important is to the have the love and respect of small group (2-4) trusted friends, real friends who will stick their neck out, have empathy, are kind, and keep confidences. *IF* you really have that in the background, yeah, WG are fun and in a sense you have it all, though you may grow out of WG eventually. It is no accident most men opt for a wife an live in hope, because getting an inner circle requires a lot of work, luck and maintenance and is probably one of the hardest and rarest things to achieve in life, but if you find such a pod, it's wonderful.

Women do generally this better than we do diversifying their emotional risk.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2557502]Yeah, the induction alpha Chad before beta brad is pretty funny, and I'd agree the women keepers are for children or love, and both of these are risky. Too many men bet their emotional deck of cards on a single point of failure. Families are what most people bet on, but the failure rate statistics are cruel, DNA siblings and relationships are no guarantee of anything special and often have pretty weak and conditional bonds. Equally or more important is to the have the love and respect of small group (2-4) trusted friends, real friends who will stick their neck out, have empathy, are kind, and keep confidences. *IF* you really have that in the background, yeah, WG are fun and in a sense you have it all, though you may grow out of WG eventually. It is no accident most men opt for a wife an live in hope, because getting an inner circle requires a lot of work, luck and maintenance and is probably one of the hardest and rarest things to achieve in life, but if you find such a pod, it's wonderful.

Women do generally this better than we do diversifying their emotional risk.[/QUOTE]Very well written like in a book, even better than in a book.

Yes, for close friend circle both male and female, I was lucky as I went to 3 boarding school in total, which enable to make long lasting childhood friends. But very few of them know about my mongering hobby as I keep that to me and forum LOL!

Yeah, more we calmly analyze this society norm, more we realize how so strange these systems are. And wonder how blinds most men in society are as if they are brainwashed by cult called society and they cannot even think for themselves! They simply do not know what they are doing, but to follow like a sheep brainwashed by society norm and its system like schools, TV, some holy books etc and they do not go out their to discover what is out there. These men are like slave who just follow what has been dumped on to them like a sheep LOL!

Mongers are dangerous to society because we Professional Veteran Mongers are like escape slave who bring the news of real freedom and pleasure as a man to enslaved men in society LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2557422]If you are just looking for mechanical sex you are right but if you are looking for better sex, for higher things than just a shot term pleasure I don t agree with you. Most of the people are spending a lot of energy to accumulate a welfare without children who will benefit from it?[/QUOTE]Well expat, you don't know how I roll in FKK homie LOL! It aint mechanical, it is more like a pierre woodman on steroid sex I get LOL! Why do you think I am so into mongering? I am someone who has among the best sex life in the world from quality stand point, not so much quantity as some monger claim to had 1000 women or more, and some I believe though some are bullshitting, but when it comes to quality of women, it is me and I have been mongering around world since I am 17 LOL!

Only down side in mongering life in west though, it is bareback with stunner, that is quite rare! This I give it to you!

I am a monger all the way, and mechanical? Then you are not doing it right! I get first night of honeymoon sex in FKK and escort and that is why I am so into mongering because it is always best and I can choose the one I want to fuck front of me and they never get old or ugly because I change them LOL!

I get to also enjoy all different type and ethnicity of beauties and they are always nice unlike wives, I do not need drama, and spending millions of dollars to get sex and insanely stressful lives LOL! I mean what for? Beside having kid and companionship? But I have companionship called good close friend since innocence of youth. As for kids, I tend to prefer cute little dog than kid, dog listen, spend less, controllable where as kids cost too much, may betray you in future, may cause so much problem and stress in life, fucking annoying and not even cute comparison to cute dogs, so I am not missing anything LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557392]And how in the world do you consider FKK prices to be 3rd world pray tell? Where I come from, earning 50 to 60 euros for 30 minutes of work is in no way "3rd world". If I session with a tute for an hour and end up paying her 100 euros to 300 euros, depending on what services she provides, that's some damn good money she just earned! For you to think that's "3rd world" pricing, you must be from Switzerland or Dubai or Japan or some shit LOL! Because for everybody else, that's letting go of some good money for an expensive personal service! Nothing near impoverished, 3rd world rates. Again, not where I come from.[/QUOTE]I get what you mean, but for that 50 euro 30 min, or bit more, these young stunner beauties who up till recently has such a flower vision about the big world now have to lick my anal in German insane mega brothel LOL! So the content of the work should be also considered LOL!

For me, 50 euro per 30 min or 150 euro per one hour for real amazing sex with stunner level girls in German FKK is good deal considering what they have to do Eg: Lick my anal with their tongue among other things they did not even imagine few years back LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2557422]If you are just looking for mechanical sex you are right but if you are looking for better sex, for higher things than just a shot term pleasure I don t agree with you. Most of the people are spending a lot of energy to accumulate a welfare without children who will benefit from it?[/QUOTE]Wrong. If you are good with someone you just met, sex is usually way way better than the wife or girlfriend. Mainly because it's something new to explore, for both parties, even in paid sex. I am lucky to experience all variations, but my best memories are always with someone I just met to max 5-6 months. Mr. Ho is right!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2557531]Wrong. If you are good with someone you just met, sex is usually way way better than the wife or girlfriend. Mainly because it's something new to explore, for both parties, even in paid sex. I am lucky to experience all variations, but my best memories are always with someone I just met to max 5-6 months. Mr. Ho is right![/QUOTE]Also when working girls are happy or ironically pissed off or angry at someone other than you, then I often got amazing session as they take their anger on me in positive way which is crazy sex for stress relief LOL! I always thought to myself inside, thank you her boyfriend or husband or whoever LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2557531]Wrong. If you are good with someone you just met, sex is usually way way better than the wife or girlfriend. Mainly because it's something new to explore, for both parties, even in paid sex. I am lucky to experience all variations, but my best memories are always with someone I just met to max 5-6 months. Mr. Ho is right![/QUOTE]Everyone is different, I lived and still living a rich life. I was married for decades (never went to another woman) after my divorce I start mongering but since 2017 I feel that I am mostly no more satisfy by my P6 experiences, I am just thinking it is always the same (a bit boring) lost of my time and money except if I meet a real natural young beauty. For example I will never spend 2 days none stop in a FKK, Palace without garden is terrible I feel there like in jail. My kick now is more to try to seduce normal woman, brings more fun to me than to put 50 euro on the table and knowing that the girl will open her legs, 150 more you get anal. Far more exciting to see what is possible with a normal woman.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557476]Apparently I struck a nerve. Apologies, I never intentionally irritate other mongers. My point is this. I can't even buy a tank of gas for my car for the price of a 30 min appointment at Sharks. In my book, that's 3rd world pricing. As for the Brazilian and Argentinian white knights on the board, let me ask you this. If you needed open-heart surgery, would you go to the USA or DE, or would you go to South America? That's the definition of 3rd world my friends. Not to be argumentative, but just think on that for a while. Prost![/QUOTE]When I made peritonite at Palace Frankfurt, same like a knife in belly, I needed more than 13 hours to drive less than 300 kms to French border, often vomishing, when I poisoned my blood. After operation and French doctors cleaning my belly with gas, I was on my feet on next day, went to work in car, signed paper and left hospital on next morning despite still infection in blood. I hate hospitals but I will always try to reach France. But I don t think Argentina or Brazil big cities are third world, despite poverty. Third world for me are Bangladesh, Black Africa. Even improving but we can see India is not far above.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557524]Well expat, you don't know how I roll in FKK homie LOL! It aint mechanical, it is more like a pierre woodman on steroid sex I get LOL! Why do you think I am so into mongering? I am someone who has among the best sex life in the world from quality stand point, not so much quantity as some monger claim to had 1000 women or more, and some I believe though some are bullshitting, but when it comes to quality of women, it is me and I have been mongering around world since I am 17 LOL!

Only down side in mongering life in west though, it is bareback with stunner, that is quite rare! This I give it to you!

I am a monger all the way, and mechanical? Then you are not doing it right! I get first night of honeymoon sex in FKK and escort and that is why I am so into mongering because it is always best and I can choose the one I want to fuck front of me and they never get old or ugly because I change them LOL!

I get to also enjoy all different type and ethnicity of beauties and they are always nice unlike wives, I do not need drama, and spending millions of dollars to get sex and insanely stressful lives LOL! I mean what for? Beside having kid and companionship? But I have companionship called good close friend since innocence of youth. As for kids, I tend to prefer cute little dog than kid, dog listen, spend less, controllable where as kids cost too much, may betray you in future, may cause so much problem and stress in life, fucking annoying and not even cute comparison to cute dogs, so I am not missing anything LOL![/QUOTE]

Very well said. The point of paying for sex is to get the girls you do not normally get in your civvy life. If you are on your 50's+, who do you think could get laid with teen stunners, stunner is their 20's. Put yourself on the girls' shoes, if you were on your 20's, did you want to get laid with a grandma without being showered with the money first??

Even the best Pickup Artist (PUA) on earth spending hours of chatting with the girls, using various seduction techniques such as neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) techniques, speed seduction (SS) they will not be able to get that sort of thing in life if they are already in their 50's. Let alone if you are not a professional PUA.

Someone here is trying to grow a bollock. But Yes, I also give the credit for those who are in favour of having sex with your otherhalf, where you could experience a BB, the sex in their natural form. But keep in mind this is not an either scenario as you could have both of them.

Regarding "Woodman" I believe he is one of the pornstar who has sex with most of European pornstars and he is still active now. Which PUA could match his records. In Asian JAV porn movie "Tomohiro Abe" is probably the one who could match Woodman records. Both are still active nowadays.

This is examples of ponstar in Woodman scenes. To me both are stunners.

No, not that one! I mean I also agree with Mr. Ho on this. I have great sex in the FKKs resulting in multiple orgasms per session. Nothing mechanical about it at all!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2557422]If you are just looking for mechanical sex you are right but if you are looking for better sex, for higher things than just a shot term pleasure I don t agree with you. Most of the people are spending a lot of energy to accumulate a welfare without children who will benefit from it?[/QUOTE]

I think you are mixing up between long life partner, wives, GFs with having sex with girls. You could have sex either way, but saying that you will only get mechanical sex and you will not get a better sex from paid sex is utterly misleading. You see that often where a happy marriage couple leading a secret private sex life with other people such as sugababy, privates escorts, courtesans, etc. Long life partner is not just about sex but about living in perpetuity, having a family life.

If only sex is concerned (not long-life partner) you could get "GFs sex" experience depending on how much are going to pay. Please inform the forum what sort of "sex" (not long-life living) where you could get it with your GFs, Partners but you could not get it from paid sex.

It works even better as you could get varieties of looks, ages, ethnicities, etc. Also, you could experience a wild sexlife that you hardly ever get with your GFs. Have tried CIM, Anal DP, toys, SM butt slapping, spanking etc. Do that and you might be getting slap in the face.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557525]
I get what you mean, but for that 50 euro 30 min, or bit more, these young stunner beauties who up till recently has such a flower vision about the big world now have to lick my anal in German insane mega brothel LOL! So the content of the work should be also considered LOL!

For me, 50 euro per 30 min or 150 euro per one hour for real amazing sex with stunner level girls in German FKK is good deal considering what they have to do Eg: Lick my anal with their tongue among other things they did not even imagine few years back LOL![/QUOTE]You will probably not believe that, many of the good-looking, young stunning pornstars are getting paid in average of EUR800 (a few get about EUR 1000) for a scene with Woodman. If you compare to what they have got in FKK EUR100 an hour for basic service with everything is extra is not inferior.

Keep in mind some of customers in FKKs are relatively good looking fit young studs. A porn scene with Woodman might be a 4-6 hours of work. They will have sex with woodman "multiple times" who are already similar age to their grandpas along with 2-3 other studs. Also, BB, Anal DP, Double penetration, CIM, slapping / spanking, humiliation, you name it, all are getting involved. If all of these extra services booked by the customers in FKKs are included in the calculation with the same duration of time they would have made multiple times than what they have earned from a scene with woodman.

Almost all of the good-looking pornstars are bookable and you could get them with a lower price than you would have paid booking directly from their agents. It is only that they do not advertise it openly with the same screen name as it will harm their pornstar career which is something ties to the "premium escort" srvice they could sometimes get.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2557618]Very well said. The point of paying for sex is to get the girls you do not normally get in your civvy life. If you are on your 50's+, who do you think could get laid with teen stunners, stunner is their 20's. Put yourself on the girls' shoes, if you were on your 20's, did you want to get laid with a grandma without being showered with the money first??

Even the best Pickup Artist (PUA) on earth spending hours of chatting with the girls, using various seduction techniques such as neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) techniques, speed seduction (SS) they will not be able to get that sort of thing in life if they are already in their 50's. Let alone if you are not a professional PUA.

Someone here is trying to grow a bollock. But Yes, I also give the credit for those who are in favour of having sex with your otherhalf, where you could experience a BB, the sex in their natural form. But keep in mind this is not an either scenario as you could have both of them.

Regarding "Woodman" I believe he is one of the pornstar who has sex with most of European pornstars and he is still active now. Which PUA could match his records. In Asian JAV porn movie "Tomohiro Abe" is probably the one who could match Woodman records. Both are still active nowadays.

This is examples of ponstar in Woodman scenes. To me both are stunners.[/QUOTE]Well instead of being pick up artist, we hire pick up artist like pimps, lover boys and related parties to do the job for us, and all we got to do is pay 50 euro per 30 min, even cheaper than good dinner LOL! We mongers bet on sure thing LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2557624]I think you are mixing up between long life partner, wives, GFs with having sex with girls. You could have sex either way, but saying that you will only get mechanical sex and you will not get a better sex from paid sex is utterly misleading. You see that often where a happy marriage couple leading a secret private sex life with other people such as sugababy, privates escorts, courtesans, etc. Long life partner is not just about sex but about living in perpetuity, having a family life.

If only sex is concerned (not long-life partner) you could get "GFs sex" experience depending on how much are going to pay. Please inform the forum what sort of "sex" (not long-life living) where you could get it with your GFs, Partners but you could not get it from paid sex.

It works even better as you could get varieties of looks, ages, ethnicities, etc. Also, you could experience a wild sexlife that you hardly ever get with your GFs. Have tried CIM, Anal DP, toys, SM butt slapping, spanking etc. Do that and you might be getting slap in the face.[/QUOTE]Everyone is different for me in a FKK mostly everything is fake, starting by the name, I hate the artificial noise that most of the girls are doing, I hate fake boobs, fake lips. If you are married or in a fix relation and you prefer to fuck a prostitute than your partner there is a problem somewhere, or in your relation or with you. Most of the guys who visit FKK are married and I don t believe they will be happy if their partner will tell them that she spend time and money with a prostitute.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2557627]You will probably not believe that, many of the good-looking, young stunning pornstars are getting paid in average of EUR800 (a few get about EUR 1000) for a scene with Woodman. If you compare to what they have got in FKK EUR100 an hour for basic service with everything is extra is not inferior.

Keep in mind some of customers in FKKs are relatively good looking fit young studs. A porn scene with Woodman might be a 4-6 hours of work. They will have sex with woodman "multiple times" who are already similar age to their grandpas along with 2-3 other studs. Also, BB, Anal DP, Double penetration, CIM, slapping / spanking, humiliation, you name it, all are getting involved. If all of these extra services booked by the customers in FKKs are included in the calculation with the same duration of time they would have made multiple times than what they have earned from a scene with woodman.

Almost all of the good-looking pornstars are bookable and you could get them with a lower price than you would have paid booking directly from their agents. It is only that they do not advertise it openly with the same screen name as it will harm their pornstar career which is something ties to the "premium escort" srvice they could sometimes get.[/QUOTE]Once, well precisely like 10 times, I fucked this beautiful half Russian half German stunner who looked identical to Ivana sugar or even more beautiful, definitely more young. But I think it was not her.

Back home, I said it many times, but I fucked Rola Takizawa for 1.5 year to almost 2 years went bareback with her always and also Maria Ozawa once among other porn stars like Kokone Mizutani, but that one was not Eurasian because usually Eurasians are my only taste here more more or less, and it is harder to find, only 2 or if lucky 3 Eurasian stunner per year, this year none!! Zero LOL! Due to covid LOL! Covid even scare my stunner tutes away from me, but I keep on looking every day like a sharp shooter or a prostitute hunter LOL! I am more prostitute hunter this year as I do not find stunner LOL! All escort here are open though!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557466]Nearly one in every four murders around the world takes place in just four countries: Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia. Last year, a record 63,808 people were murdered in Brazil. Mexico also set a record at 31,174, with murders so far this year up another 20%.[/QUOTE]I cannot imagine those figures improving in the aftermath of pandemic. Turgid would say violence is more prevalent in religious, sexually repressed young men. I do not consider men in Latin America to be sexually repressed at all.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557466]On seeking, girls (and men) voluntarily disclose their ethnicity. Of course, you can see the photo but the ethnicity tag is more for the purpose of search. Even the girls who list their ethnicity as White in Buenos Aires have a very clear Latino look, may of them do anyhow.[/QUOTE]Not directing this to you specifically, but Americans apply a different standard for whiteness than Latin-America, or in the case of this article Spain, "I'm white in Barcelona but in Los Angeles I'm Hispanic": [URL]https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-10-28/im-white-barcelona-los-angeles-im-hispanic[/URL].

Brazil (and probably Argentina) place blonde, blue-eyed people on a pedestal. I suspect a blonde, blue-eyed 20 yo (even if she is a bit on the chubby side) could climb socially by leveraging her looks in Brazil, much easier than if she were say in Scandinavia. Women with options normally do not gravitate towards the world's oldest profession.

[QUOTE]U.S. sperm-bank directors said preferences like those of Brazilian purchasers hold across their global market. The vast majority of what we have and what we sell are the Caucasian blond-haired, blue-eyed donors, said Fredrik Andreasson, CFO of Seattle Sperm Bank, which provides about a quarter of Brazils imports.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-mixed-race-brazil-sperm-imports-from-u-s-whites-are-booming-1521711000
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557466]Even the girls who list their ethnicity as White in Buenos Aires have a very clear Latino look, may of them do anyhow.[/QUOTE]Thinking about it some more, a counter-argument might be that blonde, blue-eyed Brazilian WGs should be in higher-demand, should be able to command higher rates. If so, they could advertise via word-of-mouth or Instagram (selectively whoring themselves out to say celebrities or CEOS), but these types would not be available to common folk, and as such may not want to advertise on a platform like seeking even if they can pixelate their face. Yes, Cane I understand that you easily find White girls in Brazil without spending too much. I have no reason to doubt your experiences (you seem to be grounded in reality, although on these sites it is sometimes hard to tell). The bigger question is how typical is Cane's experiences and how much effort is required to obtain those results.

Prior to Brazil trip, I spent at most 3 hours reading Brazil threads. Messaged ABG (poster who I heard is now in monger heaven). He wanted money for him to be my guide, so I declined. Visited four venues, 1-2 hours each place, spent five total nights in Brazil. Went to zero clinicas because I spent my days sightseeing.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2557476]Apparently I struck a nerve. Apologies, I never intentionally irritate other mongers. My point is this. I can't even buy a tank of gas for my car for the price of a 30 min appointment at Sharks. In my book, that's 3rd world pricing. As for the Brazilian and Argentinian white knights on the board, let me ask you this. If you needed open-heart surgery, would you go to the USA or DE, or would you go to South America? That's the definition of 3rd world my friends. Not to be argumentative, but just think on that for a while. Prost![/QUOTE]I have been extolling the pleasures of mongering in Brazil and pre-2010 Argentina and am wondering whether I have been included in the term Brazilian and Argentinian white knights. I have also read of criticisms of those two countries in terms of violence and economy. Are those also in part directed at my posts. If so I need to clear the air. My all time favorite venues for mongering are German FKKs. For me there is no other place that comes close to having the joys of indulging in carnal delights than those clubs. That being said I have had great enjoyment in other places and I would number among those Singapore pre 2008, China pre 2013, Indonesia, Thailand, and yes South american countries like Colombia, pre-2010 Argentina and Brazil. We were discussing the availability of Caucasian women and I pointed out that they were present in abundance in Argentina and Brazil. I never stated that they were first world countries or very safe. One has to be careful in any country that one visits. Enjoy what is on offer but take the necessary precautions. BTW of all the countries that I have visited I have been robbed once and that was in - Germany. Never let your guard down wherever you are.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2557652]BTW of all the countries that I have visited I have been robbed once and that was in - Germany. Never let your guard down wherever you are.[/QUOTE]Yeah, who says it's always safe in a 1st world country anyway? There's so much gun violence in the United States that I long ago stopped wanting to go out to a movie for fear of some nut showing up with a gun to take his grievances out on innocent people. I was thrilled when I went to a movie in Manila and found that you could exit the theater at both the front and back, meaning no one way out. It's pretty pathetic when you go to a movie, and the first thing you look for is where the exits are! In my town, in the evenings they even have a cop posted inside in an attempt to deter shooters. So, so pathetic. But, it's what America has come to. First world? Yeah, well I would rather go out for a movie in the Philippines! And the Filipinas go bareback LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2557652]I have been extolling the pleasures of mongering in Brazil and pre-2010 Argentina and am wondering whether I have been included in the term Brazilian and Argentinian white knights. I have also read of criticisms of those two countries in terms of violence and economy. Are those also in part directed at my posts. If so I need to clear the air. My all time favorite venues for mongering are German FKKs. For me there is no other place that comes close to having the joys of indulging in carnal delights than those clubs. That being said I have had great enjoyment in other places and I would number among those Singapore pre 2008, China pre 2013, Indonesia, Thailand, and yes South american countries like Colombia, pre-2010 Argentina and Brazil. We were discussing the availability of Caucasian women and I pointed out that they were present in abundance in Argentina and Brazil. I never stated that they were first world countries or very safe. One has to be careful in any country that one visits. Enjoy what is on offer but take the necessary precautions. BTW of all the countries that I have visited I have been robbed once and that was in - Germany. Never let your guard down wherever you are.[/QUOTE]I posted the link related to violence in Brazil and Argentina, more in the context of first and 3rd world labels. Yes, US crime stats and murder rates are almost bordering on the 3rd world numbers and it is possible some truly 3rd world nations with sorry numbers on all other metrics (literacy, healthcare, income levels, freedoms, etc) may have low crime.

That said, it was not directed to you in any way, Turgid. I enjoy your posts more than most other comments around here, and you appear to be a nice, mellowed gentleman.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2557641]Thinking about it some more, a counter-argument might be that blonde, blue-eyed Brazilian WGs should be in higher-demand, should be able to command higher rates. If so, they could advertise via word-of-mouth or Instagram (selectively whoring themselves out to say celebrities or CEOS), but these types would not be available to common folk, and as such may not want to advertise on a platform like seeking even if they can pixelate their face. Yes, Cane I understand that you easily find White girls in Brazil without spending too much. I have no reason to doubt your experiences (you seem to be grounded in reality, although on these sites it is sometimes hard to tell). The bigger question is how typical is Cane's experiences and how much effort is required to obtain those results.

Prior to Brazil trip, I spent at most 3 hours reading Brazil threads. Messaged ABG (poster who I heard is now in monger heaven). He wanted money for him to be my guide, so I declined. Visited four venues, 1-2 hours each place, spent five total nights in Brazil. Went to zero clinicas because I spent my days sightseeing.[/QUOTE]I don't know if I agree. First of all, I was not making any ranking of women in any way. I just said in my perception White women and Latino / Brazilian women that I have experienced have a different body structure, and someone jumped on me. Not sure why because I was referring to my perception and that is my view. If someone here makes the claim they like a 4 ft Laos woman or 6.5 ft Congo woman with shaved head to be the highest epitome of sexuality or that he despises the Swedish blonde look, I would not jump in to argue. However I can see how someone may consider himself as the keeper of all Brazilian women and feels compelled to defend their honor or whatever.

That said, your claim that the most attractive women in society would not hawk their sexual services on seeking and other sugar sites specifically is not resonating with me. Yes, some exclusive escorts may be behind a paywall on a site and they would be higher rate / more attractive types. Perhaps you can argue that movie stars and models might be available for a quickie if you pay up a massive amounts per session (may be some of them are). But for normally attractive girls, sugar sites are not that different from Tinder. There is no expectation that sex is on the table with everyone at an escort type transaction. The girls can choose who she replies back to, eventually meet and do whatever with that guy for whatever money they agree on. Your claim would be accurate if only the least attractive (in a ethnic way, using a definition which is not mine) list on seeking. But that is not the case. In many countries, girls on seeking are targeting wealthy foreign tourists from English speaking countries, posting their messages in English and speaking to us directly. That behavior does not fit what you said.

In any case, I don't see how that skews the look of women on the site, to that extent. If a few attractive white women decide to stay away, that will not change the average look of nearly 500 women I scrolled through. That is a large enough sample.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2557627]You will probably not believe that, many of the good-looking, young stunning pornstars are getting paid in average of EUR800 (a few get about EUR 1000) for a scene with Woodman. If you compare to what they have got in FKK EUR100 an hour for basic service with everything is extra is not inferior.

Keep in mind some of customers in FKKs are relatively good looking fit young studs. A porn scene with Woodman might be a 4-6 hours of work. They will have sex with woodman "multiple times" who are already similar age to their grandpas along with 2-3 other studs. Also, BB, Anal DP, Double penetration, CIM, slapping / spanking, humiliation, you name it, all are getting involved. If all of these extra services booked by the customers in FKKs are included in the calculation with the same duration of time they would have made multiple times than what they have earned from a scene with woodman.

Almost all of the good-looking pornstars are bookable and you could get them with a lower price than you would have paid booking directly from their agents. It is only that they do not advertise it openly with the same screen name as it will harm their pornstar career which is something ties to the "premium escort" service they could sometimes get.[/QUOTE]Most of my regulars who are usually the prettiest and busiest, prettier than pornstars when I won t pay for many, maybe for Czech Uma but I didn't pay for Hungarian Mia Evans when saw her for real full naked just in front of me, make usually around 1000 a day, at Prestige, GT, LR, even Velbert for 40/30 , and 2000 CHF at Globe, when small size, fat, bald, ugly, unrespectful and violent Woodman is just a shame for a French bad guy like me and our police, not making his shame nor living in France.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2557637]Not directing this to you specifically, but Americans apply a different standard for whiteness than Latin-America, or in the case of this article Spain, "I'm white in Barcelona but in Los Angeles I'm Hispanic": [URL]https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-10-28/im-white-barcelona-los-angeles-im-hispanic[/URL].[/QUOTE]As an American, I can say this is very, very true. I remember talking to this attractive Colombian girl who was going on about how "white" she was. Oh yeah? Well bring your white self up to North America, and then we'll see how white you are then. Girl, I can see the native Chibcha Indian in your face LOLOLOL! And that leads me to another point. I'm an American remember? And being an American, I know good and darn well what an American is going to consider as being "white". So when I tell you I've been banging plenty of "white girls" in Brazil, it's 100% from the perspective of an American, and what an American would consider to be white. I know what an American considers to be "white" (I'm American-born), and I have zero reasons to be exaggerating anything here. Hell, you've seen my photos people! What else do you need? I put the evidence in front of the people, and still some say it can't be true, with most of them never even having been to Brazil even once! My goodness. I guess if you've been eating nothing but pork and beans all of your life, you can't imagine there's anything better than that. Not until somebody puts a New York strip steak with baked potato and broccoli in front of you, with Boston Cream pie for dessert. My God!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557668]I just said in my perception White women and Latino / Brazilian women that I have experienced have a different body structure, and someone jumped on me. Not sure why because I was referring to my perception and that is my view. However I can see how someone may consider himself as the keeper of all Brazilian women and feels compelled to defend their honor or whatever.[/QUOTE]In this context, a perception is a judgment or belief one holds based on what they have seen, leading them to draw a particular conclusion (s). "White Brazilian women aren't white enough". "All Brazilian women have big asses" is another popular conclusion based on what some have perceived about Brazilian women. But maybe there is somebody else with extensive knowledge and first-hand experience who knows that these perceptions are faulty and misguided, and who wishes to correct the record. Not to defend the honer of Brazilian women, but to ensure that fellow mongers have the correct and full information they need to make intelligent and informed decisions about whether or not Brazil might be a desirable mongering destination for them. That's the power of this forum, and I'm using it.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2557618]Very well said. The point of paying for sex is to get the girls you do not normally get in your civvy life. If you are on your 50's+, who do you think could get laid with teen stunners, stunner is their 20's. Put yourself on the girls' shoes, if you were on your 20's, did you want to get laid with a grandma without being showered with the money first??

Even the best Pickup Artist (PUA) on earth spending hours of chatting with the girls, using various seduction techniques such as neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) techniques, speed seduction (SS) they will not be able to get that sort of thing in life if they are already in their 50's. Let alone if you are not a professional PUA.

Someone here is trying to grow a bollock. But Yes, I also give the credit for those who are in favour of having sex with your otherhalf, where you could experience a BB, the sex in their natural form. But keep in mind this is not an either scenario as you could have both of them.

Regarding "Woodman" I believe he is one of the pornstar who has sex with most of European pornstars and he is still active now. Which PUA could match his records. In Asian JAV porn movie "Tomohiro Abe" is probably the one who could match Woodman records. Both are still active nowadays.

This is examples of ponstar in Woodman scenes. To me both are stunners.[/QUOTE]I don't like the nose of the one in the picture on the left. It's "bulbous" at the tip.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557687]As an American, I can say this is very, very true. I remember talking to this attractive Colombian girl who was going on about how "white" she was. Oh yeah? Well bring your white self up to North America, and then we'll see how white you are then. Girl, I can see the native Chibcha Indian in your face LOLOLOL! And that leads me to another point. I'm an American remember? And being an American, I know good and darn well what an American is going to consider as being "white". So when I tell you I've been banging plenty of "white girls" in Brazil, it's 100% from the perspective of an American, and what an American would consider to be white. I know what an American considers to be "white" (I'm American-born), and I have zero reasons to be exaggerating anything here. Hell, you've seen my photos people! What else do you need? I put the evidence in front of the people, and still some say it can't be true, with most of them never even having been to Brazil even once! My goodness. I guess if you've been eating nothing but pork and beans all of your life, you can't imagine there's anything better than that. Not until somebody puts a New York strip steak with baked potato and broccoli in front of you, with Boston Cream pie for dessert. My God![/QUOTE]What is this racial war in America? Who cares if you are black, yellow, white or red Indian etc But this is where it get odd because for me, America belong to native Indian people, not to other race or color, and it is so odd that everyone including media kind of put that fact a side and discuss race issues on tv, I never heard of native Indian or red Indian people on those media or anyone talking about them. They lived in America and white folks came with bunch of guns and massacre them and took the land, then brought people from Africa by force to built the nation and rest kind of follows. So the bottom line of the fact is that America belong to native Indian and somehow they have the least voice.

I spent 14 years in Europe and spent sometime in USA travelling through to many main cities like LA, Vegas, san Francisco, dc, nyc, travel around Arizona and Utah etc. And I never faced any racism myself in Europe or in USA, in fact I found people more friendly in USA than even here, but I wonder what this race war thing is America because those who are mumbling about colors, well the land of America do not belong to them, it belong to native Indian people LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557668]I don't know if I agree. First of all, I was not making any ranking of women in any way. I just said in my perception White women and Latino / Brazilian women that I have experienced have a different body structure, and someone jumped on me. Not sure why because I was referring to my perception and that is my view. If someone here makes the claim they like a 4 ft Laos woman or 6.5 ft Congo woman with shaved head to be the highest epitome of sexuality or that he despises the Swedish blonde look, I would not jump in to argue. However I can see how someone may consider himself as the keeper of all Brazilian women and feels compelled to defend their honor or whatever.

That said, your claim that the most attractive women in society would not hawk their sexual services on seeking and other sugar sites specifically is not resonating with me. Yes, some exclusive escorts may be behind a paywall on a site and they would be higher rate / more attractive types. Perhaps you can argue that movie stars and models might be available for a quickie if you pay up a massive amounts per session (may be some of them are). But for normally attractive girls, sugar sites are not that different from Tinder. There is no expectation that sex is on the table with everyone at an escort type transaction. The girls can choose who she replies back to, eventually meet and do whatever with that guy for whatever money they agree on. Your claim would be accurate if only the least attractive (in a ethnic way, using a definition which is not mine) list on seeking. But that is not the case. In many countries, girls on seeking are targeting wealthy foreign tourists from English speaking countries, posting their messages in English and speaking to us directly. That behavior does not fit what you said.

In any case, I don't see how that skews the look of women on the site, to that extent. If a few attractive white women decide to stay away, that will not change the average look of nearly 500 women I scrolled through. That is a large enough sample.[/QUOTE]There are ranking to women though, stunner, beauty, pretty, ugly LOL! Also young or old LOL! Very clear ranking and proper categorization for me LOL! But they are all bitches or mentally unstable, tutes or no tutes LOL!

Here are photos of 7 random girls I picked off SA.

Quick Quiz: which ones do you think a White look, a Latino look, or some other?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557754]What is this racial war in America? Who cares if you are black, yellow, white or red Indian etc.[/QUOTE]Anybody who would conclude that Brazil is not worth a visit because the "structure" of the women isn't "white enough" (shaking head) LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557743]I don't like the nose of the one in the picture on the left. It's "bulbous" at the tip.[/QUOTE]Sound like what is going on in my head at FKK during my selection process of few hours sitting on sofa or bar chair LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557568]Also when working girls are happy or ironically pissed off or angry at someone other than you, then I often got amazing session as they take their anger on me in positive way which is crazy sex for stress relief LOL! I always thought to myself inside, thank you her boyfriend or husband or whoever LOL![/QUOTE]True that.

One of the best WGs for me was an all natural girl, 21 years, just a tiny tattoo on her back. Most mongers and WGs knew her as quiet girl, just GFE, never any extras, etc. I already sessioned with her at least 5 times before, but once I was lucky to take her after one of her big spender client cancelled a 4 hours reservation and she was very angry. I did a longer session with her just after the cancellation, totally worth it. Turns out she was into being spanked, choked, rope play, extras etc. If she was acting that day, then it was an Oscar worthy performance.

Yeah, places like Palace with no outdoors are pretty gross. But there are people with no life and fragile personalities who hang out there day after day, you probably know the type, no real grounding, petty, transactional, insincere, cynical that darkens the world and devalues life. The type who know the price of everything and value of nothing.

Mr. Ho, sounds like you hit the jackpot, but good friends can be made later in life if there is good will, trust, time and effort if the people have fundamentally good hearts, but as you know, those are rare gemstones in a gravel pit. Some may becomes wives and girlfriends, but that is a risky and heavy bet. I think the error of many men is not investing at all into a well rounded tight group of trustworthy good folks.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2557837]Yeah, places like Palace with no outdoors are pretty gross. But there are people with no life and fragile personalities who hang out there day after day, you probably know the type, no real grounding, petty, transactional, insincere, cynical that darkens the world and devalues life. The type who know the price of everything and value of nothing.

Mr. Ho, sounds like you hit the jackpot, but good friends can be made later in life if there is good will, trust, time and effort if the people have fundamentally good hearts, but as you know, those are rare gemstones in a gravel pit. Some may becomes wives and girlfriends, but that is a risky and heavy bet. I think the error of many men is not investing at all into a well rounded tight group of trustworthy good folks.[/QUOTE]I think it is important to try to make friends when we were young at innocence of youth because no interests were involved, and yes it is possible to make good friend later in life, though it could be much harder. I have few on forum that I consider friends and even though we may never meet in real life, I will think about some wisdom they passed on to me in this forum! Because believe it or not, some real wisdom has been passed onto me in this sex forum LOL!

It is interesting to meet some enlighten mind who used their brain to decide what they wanted to achieve and went out there and discover the garden of Eden themselves! We tasted the forbidden apple that is 50 euro per 30 min and it is eternal, but we just did not expected this movie style pandemic comes into reality and damn place and damn country itself is closed for all LOL!

I like Palace Frankfurt because there I feel higher level than average clubs, with really beautiful rooms with beautiful lights inspiring love in bed and quite good foods. Not higher level for girls, even my Russian look Venezuelan was great just before my peritonite and got one of the prettiest I ever saw in FKK land, including Globe and Aphrodisia where I would have gone with her for 280/30 , when I got her for 25 mn, fucking her in cowgirl, missionary and doggy, really full natural 1,80 and around 55 kgs model with milky skin and really pretty face, Berliner Leana, for only 50 €, and really incredible, she was not even busy on a Friday night, when would have been riot in Bruggen. I would be happy to return to Palace if reopen, relaxing club for me, even I regret no more swimming pool for ducks. Patience and control, less frustrating than no ski.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2557837]Mr. Ho, sounds like you hit the jackpot, but good friends can be made later in life if there is good will, trust, time and effort if the people have fundamentally good hearts, but as you know, those are rare gemstones in a gravel pit. Some may becomes wives and girlfriends, but that is a risky and heavy bet. I think the error of many men is not investing at all into a well rounded tight group of trustworthy good folks.[/QUOTE]Actions speak louder than words. Good hearted people will not sabotage the business of a hooker simply because a monger feels slighted. Whispering into the ear of another monger that a girl gives bad service when the monger has no actual experience with the girl does not reflect someone who has a good heart. Never judge people by how they treat others who have no value to them. Judge people by how they treat the common person. So the content of this post is not reflected in the human I met. Value-signaling bologna.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557666]....That said, it was not directed to you in any way, Turgid. I enjoy your posts more than most other comments around here, and you appear to be a nice, mellowed gentleman.[/QUOTE]Aw-shucks, thank you. However, I'm not so nice and mellow now; I haven't banged a hot Romanian in over a year and I'm quite frustrated.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2557837]Yeah, places like Palace with no outdoors are pretty gross. But there are people with no life and fragile personalities who hang out there day after day, you probably know the type, no real grounding, petty, transactional, insincere, cynical that darkens the world and devalues life. The type who know the price of everything and value of nothing.

Mr. Ho, sounds like you hit the jackpot, but good friends can be made later in life if there is good will, trust, time and effort if the people have fundamentally good hearts, but as you know, those are rare gemstones in a gravel pit. Some may becomes wives and girlfriends, but that is a risky and heavy bet. I think the error of many men is not investing at all into a well rounded tight group of trustworthy good folks.[/QUOTE]I can t imagine my life only being centered to visit FKK or fuck prostitute, going several times per week to the same FKK must be terrible boring and a big waste of time. Now in summer when the weather is fine why not spending some time in World, may be Oase or Shark even their outside premises are far less attractive for me but in summer staying 1 full day in Palace but even you pay me for it I will not go. I like the nature, I like meeting people, discussing together sharing things.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2557905]Aw-shucks, thank you. However, I'm not so nice and mellow now; I haven't banged a hot Romanian in over a year and I'm quite frustrated.[/QUOTE]Does it mean that your libido controls your life? I am sad for you, I try to control my libido.

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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2557907]Does it mean that your libido controls your life? I am sad for you, I try to control my libido.[/QUOTE]But sad and frustrating life when no more libido, even women suffer when they don't have anymore, libido make feel young, like performing hard without Viagra in FKK.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557792]Here are photos of 7 random girls I picked off SA.

Quick Quiz: which ones do you think a White look, a Latino look, or some other?[/QUOTE]A couple of them are obvious what they are due to background of pictures etc but this is a reason why I think some of the white vs latina is really about styling.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557792]Here are photos of 7 random girls I picked off SA.

Quick Quiz: which ones do you think a White look, a Latino look, or some other?[/QUOTE]I like number 1, blond number 3 and number 5, Caucasian types.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557807]Anybody who would conclude that Brazil is not worth a visit because the "structure" of the women isn't "white enough" (shaking head) LOL![/QUOTE]Yeah, its a rather strange argument. To me, Brazil seem the perfect place to go mongering. Because of the variety. Variety of choices to pick whatever you feel like any given day. I don't see a point in checking their ethnic origin if they are hot.

Unlike places like Thailand, where you are obviously rather limited in choices. Thai is fine, Thai every day is not.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2557995]Yeah, its a rather strange argument. To me, Brazil seem the perfect place to go mongering. Because of the variety. Variety of choices to pick whatever you feel like any given day. I don't see a point in checking their ethnic origin if they are hot.

Unlike places like Thailand, where you are obviously rather limited in choices. Thai is fine, Thai every day is not.[/QUOTE]It is called intentionally setting up a false straw man to repeat your prior argument for no real purpose.

No one (at least not I) said a monger should skip a hot girl due to her ethnicity. If you can show me where I or someone else said so, I would be happy to see it. Like many men, I am happy to fuck hot girls (as I perceive them) regardless of their race.

What I did say was that based on my perusal of the girls on a specific site (seeking), many girls claiming to be white in Brazil do not have the same body structure as I perceive the White girls in some other countries do. That is MY perception. If you perceive differently, good for you.

For some reason, some guys took it upon themselves to be the keepers of Brazilian women and misrepresenting what I or others did say. Hypersensitive, are we?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2557906]I can t imagine my life only being centered to visit FKK or fuck prostitute, going several times per week to the same FKK must be terrible boring and a big waste of time. Now in summer when the weather is fine why not spending some time in World, may be Oase or Shark even their outside premises are far less attractive for me but in summer staying 1 full day in Palace but even you pay me for it I will not go. I like the nature, I like meeting people, discussing together sharing things.[/QUOTE]You said before that you like to keep in touch with prostitutes, so you got that figured out by going to clubs with your stand point of view LOL!

I go to FKK to fuck, not to discuss things with prostitute too much, just with in being polite.

If I live in Germany, would I go to FKK everyday, no! But I would go every third of fourth day. As for summer, it is best place to fuck outside under nice sun and bluest sky!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2557825]True that.

One of the best WGs for me was an all natural girl, 21 years, just a tiny tattoo on her back. Most mongers and WGs knew her as quiet girl, just GFE, never any extras, etc. I already sessioned with her at least 5 times before, but once I was lucky to take her after one of her big spender client cancelled a 4 hours reservation and she was very angry. I did a longer session with her just after the cancellation, totally worth it. Turns out she was into being spanked, choked, rope play, extras etc. If she was acting that day, then it was an Oscar worthy performance.[/QUOTE]Yeah, spanking one I get a lot of that in FKK, they always tell me to spank them doing doggy etc or they even spank themselves sometimes LOL! Rope I never had, choke I have done, but not my thing though. I did however had session with a beautiful blonde stunner in sharks in the BDSM room by chance, I did not do BDSM, but it was strange experience to fuck on one of those funny looking BDSM bench LOL! I like more woodman style than BDSM itself! Sharks never worked for me but that girl was a blonde stunner and was a nice girl to session with, good memory of shark and I keep it at that.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2558018]You said before that you like to keep in touch with prostitutes, so you got that figured out by going to clubs with your stand point of view LOL!

I go to FKK to fuck, not to discuss things with prostitute too much, just with in being polite.

If I live in Germany, would I go to FKK everyday, no! But I would go every third of fourth day. As for summer, it is best place to fuck outside under nice sun and bluest sky![/QUOTE]I keep in touch with very few ex working girls, they are no more in the business. I agree with you in summer by beautiful weather I could imagine visiting World every 4 days but it will be the maximum, but in fact in 2018 and 2019 I could go to World every week but I have not done it, was there 2 times and I remember 1 Sunday in August the weather was beautiful but the LU was terrible, and under the sunshine most of the girls were not at the advantage.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2557825]True that.

One of the best WGs for me was an all natural girl, 21 years, just a tiny tattoo on her back. Most mongers and WGs knew her as quiet girl, just GFE, never any extras, etc. I already sessioned with her at least 5 times before, but once I was lucky to take her after one of her big spender client cancelled a 4 hours reservation and she was very angry. I did a longer session with her just after the cancellation, totally worth it. Turns out she was into being spanked, choked, rope play, extras etc. If she was acting that day, then it was an Oscar worthy performance.[/QUOTE]Many times I wrote on this forum I don t care what the other mongers are writing about the girls, I never speak with the girl about what she is doing or not, only beauty matters. Yes the top beauties don t do any extras just because they don t need, but some if you are a good customer (a good customer is a customer spending a lot of money for her, nothing else) after several long rooms she will propose some extra even it happen to me several times including anal.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558041]I keep in touch with very few ex working girls, they are no more in the business. I agree with you in summer by beautiful weather I could imagine visiting World every 4 days but it will be the maximum, but in fact in 2018 and 2019 I could go to World every week but I have not done it, was there 2 times and I remember 1 Sunday in August the weather was beautiful but the LU was terrible, and under the sunshine most of the girls were not at the advantage.[/QUOTE]GT has good garden, but it was never my favorite when it comes to line up, but oddly enough some of stunner of the stunner I met in Artemis often claimed they began at GT, but when I am at GT, I never saw that level of stunner LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2557669]Most of my regulars who are usually the prettiest and busiest, prettier than pornstars when I won t pay for many, maybe for Czech Uma but I didn't pay for Hungarian Mia Evans when saw her for real full naked just in front of me, make usually around 1000 a day, at Prestige, GT, LR, even Velbert for 40/30 , and 2000 CHF at Globe, when small size, fat, bald, ugly, unrespectful and violent Woodman is just a shame for a French bad guy like me and our police, not making his shame nor living in France.[/QUOTE]Some pornstars are very good looking with body to die for, see attached images. The first one is Helena Lux (new Comer), the second one is Casey Nohrman. I agree many escort FKK girls, WGs are much better looking that the majority of the porn stars. The figure you estimate does not include extra services yet. Just imagine how much they could charge if a monger wants a Bareback, Cum in Pussy (CIP) such as they will almost need to offer in a porn scene.

Most of pornstars (if not all) are doing escorts with the fractional of the rate they advertise in the agents. It is only that they will not advertise it openly the same with her pornstar profiles. You will need to find out how to find them. One tip off I have got is to contact them directly from their social media sites. Just need to make sure that the sites are controlled by them directly not by the agents.

The are a lot of misperception about the pornworld. A few people are still very naïve to believe that these pornstars get paid of 5-6 figure sum such as Jenna Jameson. They do not know that the well paid pornstar such as Jenna Jameson is a business woman who own her own porn business / empire. The figure she has claimed just come the rate she paid for herself from her own companies for publicity stunt to raise up her own profile.

Have a look at Luna Rival, french porn actress, for me absolutely not attractive even for free will not fuck her. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFRhzJ-Utk&t=3462s[/URL].

Without speaking about the way she speaks and behave. Many times I wrote except opening their holes so many of those girls have few skills.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557792]Here are photos of 7 random girls I picked off SA.

Quick Quiz: which ones do you think a White look, a Latino look, or some other?[/QUOTE]To me I do not really care whether they are Latino, Caucasians, Asian Look. Some Asians especially the one come from Kazakhstan or the border with China are very good-looking stunners the mixing between Asian and Russians Caucasians look.

I prefer a good-looking blonde girl, reasonably tall with blue eye (possibly). From the pictures you have posted, the first picture, a young girl with white T-short and blue jeans are tthe best look best on my personal opinion. But beauty is on the eyes of their beholders.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2558164]Some pornstars are very good looking with body to die for, see attached images. The first one is Helena Lux (new Comer), the second one is Casey Nohrman. I agree many escort FKK girls, WGs are much better looking that the majority of the porn stars. The figure you estimate does not include extra services yet. Just imagine how much they could charge if a monger wants a Bareback, Cum in Pussy (CIP) such as they will almost need to offer in a porn scene.

Most of pornstars (if not all) are doing escorts with the fractional of the rate they advertise in the agents. It is only that they will not advertise it openly the same with her pornstar profiles. You will need to find out how to find them. One tip off I have got is to contact them directly from their social media sites. Just need to make sure that the sites are controlled by them directly not by the agents.

The are a lot of misperception about the pornworld. A few people are still very nave to believe that these pornstars get paid of 5-6 figure sum such as Jenna Jameson. They do not know that the well paid pornstar such as Jenna Jameson is a business woman who own her own porn business / empire. The figure she has claimed just come the rate she paid for herself from her own companies for publicity stunt to raise up her own profile.[/QUOTE]Yeah, some porn star like FKK girls looks beautiful young stunner when they began in the industry, but as time advances into future, almost all of them turn into plastic monster with tattoos! Like Frank Sinatra said, swing while you are winning! True that even in FKK LOL!

Older women age, more vicious they get and more vicious they look with plastic and inks in FKK, outside FKK same direction LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2557743]I don't like the nose of the one in the picture on the left. It's "bulbous" at the tip.[/QUOTE]To me they are ok. This are other close up pictures from her.

But I also think Casey Nohrman look better. I addedd another Picture from Casey Norhman. She used to be a glamorous model in Met_art, Nublies, Anilos. Those who knows that sites will understand that you will need to be above avarage to appear on that glamorous sites.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2557907]Does it mean that your libido controls your life? I am sad for you, I try to control my libido.[/QUOTE]Controlling my libido is not the problem. Not being able to unleash it on beautiful young Romanians is.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557792]Here are photos of 7 random girls I picked off SA.

Quick Quiz: which ones do you think a White look, a Latino look, or some other?[/QUOTE]In this post, girls #2, 6, 7 are in Buenos Aires and listed their ethnicity as White.

Girls #1, 3, 5 are in Moscow and listed their ethnicity as "other" or "mixed".

Girl #4 is in Moscow and listed herself as being White.

To people who commented "I don't care what the ethnicity is, if I find someone attractive, I will do her" - thank you. Yes, I get it. We all do. I don't know of too many guys who refuse to fuck a girl they personally find attractive due to what they perceive as her ethnicity. That was never the question though.

I initially said a bunch of girls in Brazil on the seeking site don't have the same look as White girls to me. Even the ones who claim they are white look slightly different. I am reasonably attracted to girls #6 and definitely to #2. In my eyes, #1, #4 and #3 are the top 3; #2 & #5 tied for #4 slot.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2557754]What is this racial war in America? Who cares if you are black, yellow, white or red Indian etc But this is where it get odd because for me, America belong to native Indian people, not to other race or color, and it is so odd that everyone including media kind of put that fact a side and discuss race issues on tv, I never heard of native Indian or red Indian people on those media or anyone talking about them. They lived in America and white folks came with bunch of guns and massacre them and took the land, then brought people from Africa by force to built the nation and rest kind of follows. So the bottom line of the fact is that America belong to native Indian and somehow they have the least voice.

I spent 14 years in Europe and spent sometime in USA travelling through to many main cities like LA, Vegas, san Francisco, dc, nyc, travel around Arizona and Utah etc. And I never faced any racism myself in Europe or in USA, in fact I found people more friendly in USA than even here, but I wonder what this race war thing is America because those who are mumbling about colors, well the land of America do not belong to them, it belong to native Indian people LOL![/QUOTE]Because it is different in the US. In much of the world race issues are overt. In the US, it is much more clandestine and subtle. It is not like in the news where they suggest that black people are being killed in large numbers every day in the streets. The race issues comes from the fact that many Americans are not able to understand diversity of culture as well as the more culturally diverse Europe. Asia would be worse if it had more diversity in each country, but I can't think of an Asian country that faces the same diversity issues as a Western country.

Anyway, to me, Cane's post was more a critique on Colombian perceptions than American. The woman wanted to be perceived as white because her culture has taught her that fair skin was superior. That has nothing to do with America but Colombia's own endemic perception. Heck, Japan and other countries have the same problems. The Japanese are very critical of darker skin Asians such as those from SE Asia and the Pacific Islands. Hell Japanese and rich Chinese are some of the most racist people in the world. Heck, you have called me a brown monkey yourself.

Indigenous Americans' problems are far too removed from society's concern. Most native Americans live on their own reservations without much integration into mainstream society. That is one reason why you do not hear about them.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2557999]It is called intentionally setting up a false straw man to repeat your prior argument for no real purpose.

No one (at least not I) said a monger should skip a hot girl due to her ethnicity. If you can show me where I or someone else said so, I would be happy to see it. Like many men, I am happy to fuck hot girls (as I perceive them) regardless of their race.

What I did say was that based on my perusal of the girls on a specific site (seeking), many girls claiming to be white in Brazil do not have the same body structure as I perceive the White girls in some other countries do. That is MY perception. If you perceive differently, good for you.

For some reason, some guys took it upon themselves to be the keepers of Brazilian women and misrepresenting what I or others did say. Hypersensitive, are we?[/QUOTE]Okay, fair point.

To circle back to what I said about Thai girls, I tend to look for the taller / slender girls there, with hips and a bit of ass. Thats more like a white girl body structure (as I believe you meant) - and funny enough not very desirable at least as perceived among Thai girls. And obviously the wrong part of the world to go looking for that, but that's a different story alltogether.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558215]In this post, girls #2, 6, 7 are in Buenos Aires and listed their ethnicity as White.

Girls #1, 3, 5 are in Moscow and listed their ethnicity as "other" or "mixed".

Girl #4 is in Moscow and listed herself as being White.

To people who commented "I don't care what the ethnicity is, if I find someone attractive, I will do her" - thank you. Yes, I get it. We all do. I don't know of too many guys who refuse to fuck a girl they personally find attractive due to what they perceive as her ethnicity. That was never the question though.

I initially said a bunch of girls in Brazil on the seeking site don't have the same look as White girls to me. Even the ones who claim they are white look slightly different. I am reasonably attracted to girls #6 and definitely to #2. In my eyes, #1, #4 and #3 are the top 3; #2 & #5 tied for #4 slot.[/QUOTE]Haha without looking at all at your choices I would totally do #2 and #6. Wouldn't even click thru on the rest. We are polar opposites. We should double date. But Cane has already spoken for all the white bread girls. LOL.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2558333]Okay, fair point.

To circle back to what I said about Thai girls, I tend to look for the taller / slender girls there, with hips and a bit of ass. Thats more like a white girl body structure (as I believe you meant) - and funny enough not very desirable at least as perceived among Thai girls. And obviously the wrong part of the world to go looking for that, but that's a different story alltogether.[/QUOTE]Eurasians are the best looking girls for me there, but whether it is in Thailand or Philippines, Eurasians are so hard to find. But many white mongers there tend to go for more typical local girls, so when I find stunner Eurasians, I tend to had a chance!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2558346]Haha without looking at all at your choices I would totally do #2 and #6. Wouldn't even click thru on the rest. We are polar opposites. We should double date. But Cane has already spoken for all the white bread girls. LOL.[/QUOTE]I have read enough of your comments in German and seeking threads to not be surprised you like those. I actually do like #2. However, you like FKKs hence I am guessing your tastes are a bit more wide ranging. I like the skinny types in FKKs; short and tall ones, tit sizes and other differences don't matter much to me but I can't stand the obese ones. Unfortunately most of them end up being obese sooner than later in those clubs.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2558371]Eurasians are the best looking girls for me there, but whether it is in Thailand or Philippines, Eurasians are so hard to find. But many white mongers there tend to go for more typical local girls, so when I find stunner Eurasians, I tend to had a chance![/QUOTE]To this day, my favorite look was a 172 cm girl from Kyrgyzstan / Kazakstan. They were the original Eurasian look.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558041]I keep in touch with very few ex working girls, they are no more in the business. I agree with you in summer by beautiful weather I could imagine visiting World every 4 days but it will be the maximum, but in fact in 2018 and 2019 I could go to World every week but I have not done it, was there 2 times and I remember 1 Sunday in August the weather was beautiful but the LU was terrible, and under the sunshine most of the girls were not at the advantage.[/QUOTE]Most beautiful garden and I dreamed to experience bonobo in the tree, but unfortunately, when I was told about 100 girls on Saturday evenings in the past, couldn't t find a Jane, not the vulgar LR one, beauty to enjoy in the tree. But I'm pretty sure World will reopen in future, I wish I will be still able to climb stairs to heaven large room in altitude. 11th birthday on end of May beginning of June 2014 , was just outstanding with wow Polish Ana ex Bumsalp and her German friend lovely Lisa, playful Isabella who moved to Globe, Romanian perfect woman and beauty Emanuela who moved for a short while at Oase, having 4 rooms with 4 different girls on day / night, with 6 rooms with Ana, Isabella and Romanian woman on 3 week ends for this 11th birthday. Then I was at World weekly for 1 year for my Romanian perfect woman, having sometimes 3 1 hour rooms with her on day / night, with a bad guy for so many times. I remember when she came sometimes for me, when she didn't plan to work on this day, sometimes only having my 200 € business minus entry, so I apologized and she answered: don t worry, no problem, maybe she preferred I returned, rather than going with another one. I remember busier brunette I only discovered when she moved to Atlanta Hanau.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2558371]Eurasians are the best looking girls for me there, but whether it is in Thailand or Philippines, Eurasians are so hard to find. But many white mongers there tend to go for more typical local girls, so when I find stunner Eurasians, I tend to had a chance![/QUOTE]

Kazakhstan is the place. The mix up between Russian Caucasians with Chinese, Vietnamese. So they inherit the best of both worlds. The are reasonably tall with slim athletic figure like many Russians women. They have reasonable size nose, not flat like many Asian girls but at the same time they do not have too big pointed nose looks like a dolphin like some of Europeans women are. The eyes are not small slanted like many Asians girls.

Unfortunately, it is not easy to get there. Moreover, when come to mongering, the scheme is not as good as you would have found on any EE / Asian countries.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2558470]Kazakhstan is the place. The mix up between Russian Caucasians with Chinese, Vietnamese. So they inherit the best of both worlds. The are reasonably tall with slim athletic figure like many Russians women. They have reasonable size nose, not flat like many Asian girls but at the same time they do not have too big pointed nose looks like a dolphin like some of Europeans women are. The eyes are not small slanted like many Asians girls.

Unfortunately, it is not easy to get there. Moreover, when come to mongering, the scheme is not as good as you would have found on any EE / Asian countries.[/QUOTE]I was in Almaty in year 2000 and in year 2017 ! I got good friend there and I had fantastic time, but I only fucked Russian blonde stunners there, creme de creme top model Russian as there are many Russians there! I saw few mixed Eurasian type there, but I stick to Russian stunner there because I get Eurasian stunner here in Tokyo! I mentioned before, but to convey what I get to you, I fucked Maria ozawa and rola takizawa here, I definitely know about Eurasians here as those are the only girls I go with here! Which are hard to find!

Talk about Vietnamese! I once found Half German, half Vietnamese stunner in Artemis! I personally would not go for Eurasians outside my home as I get them here, but for that one in Artemis, she was too beauty to miss, so I went with that one and wow she was so new and amateur that I was allowed to do whatever I wanted in room LOL! It was odd because I know for fact that to work in Artemis you had to have experience in working at other FKK prior to Artemis, but that Eurasian stunner had no clue! Good memory of good era of Artemis golden days! And it shall return!

I am strong at eastern European nations as I got good friends there, but some nations I went, but did not or more like could not monger as I went with a girl like Romania! I went there early as year 2001, but I could not monger there at all because I went with a girl LOL! I never thought I would be fucking so many Romanian stunners years later in German FKK! These girls I fucked in German FKK must have been 10 years old or something when I went to Romania just for normal holiday LOL! I was in same country, then I fuck them later in Germany LOL!

I found this Nuru massage place in Spain. Got so turned on by the pictures that I forgot about the virus. Ding dong and the door opened by a young sexy brunette wearing underwear and face mask. Took off my shoes and was offered disinfectant for my hands. Clothes and mask off in the room. Watching her getting undressed had this dimension of beauty and sexiness, young petit with Latino features and trimmed around the gate of heaven. I love hairy pussies. Would love to experience Pearl Sage. My heart was beating so fast. "Showering together is included, if you want something more later, also possible". Feeling and caressing her body in the small shower cubicle, allowing me to wash her intimate parts. Mediocre nuru, mechanical compared to similar venues. LFK (the virus was suddenly defeated). Enjoyed her hairy vagina in 69, but she performed only CBJ. "Precautious because of C19", obviously not attending medical school when she wasn't naked with me. While my tongue examined her lips, clit and ass, desperately trying to extract her juices to nourish my fantasies, I found her medical theories entertaining and was never annoyed. While aiming for climax in mish, she suddenly told me she is performing the extras because of her 3 year old son. Normally a huge turn off, but fortunately I was at the point of no return.

Was refreshed and content when I left the apartment, also knowing that she wasn't planning to spend the money on weapons. Smiling while enjoying a freshly made lemonade in Mediterranean surroundings.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558215]In this post, girls #2, 6, 7 are in Buenos Aires and listed their ethnicity as White.

Girls #1, 3, 5 are in Moscow and listed their ethnicity as "other" or "mixed".

Girl #4 is in Moscow and listed herself as being White.

To people who commented "I don't care what the ethnicity is, if I find someone attractive, I will do her" - thank you. Yes, I get it. We all do. I don't know of too many guys who refuse to fuck a girl they personally find attractive due to what they perceive as her ethnicity. That was never the question though.

I initially said a bunch of girls in Brazil on the seeking site don't have the same look as White girls to me. Even the ones who claim they are white look slightly different. I am reasonably attracted to girls #6 and definitely to #2. In my eyes, #1, #4 and #3 are the top 3; #2 & #5 tied for #4 slot.[/QUOTE]When I was in my twenties I had a friend who would not fuck black or mixed women. He just did not like them and it had nothing to do with racism. I asked him if he would bang Pam Grier if he had the opportunity (check out how she looked in the 70's) and he said no and at that time I had severe hots for her. He liked only white women but he liked them curvy, not skinny. I thought then as I do now how lucky I am to like all women as long as they are beautiful. I have had many beautiful women mongering in India.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2558458]Most beautiful garden and I dreamed to experience bonobo in the tree, but unfortunately, when I was told about 100 girls on Saturday evenings in the past, couldn't t find a Jane, not the vulgar LR one, beauty to enjoy in the tree. But I'm pretty sure World will reopen in future, I wish I will be still able to climb stairs to heaven large room in altitude. 11th birthday on end of May beginning of June 2014 , was just outstanding with wow Polish Ana ex Bumsalp and her German friend lovely Lisa, playful Isabella who moved to Globe, Romanian perfect woman and beauty Emanuela who moved for a short while at Oase, having 4 rooms with 4 different girls on day / night, with 6 rooms with Ana, Isabella and Romanian woman on 3 week ends for this 11th birthday. Then I was at World weekly for 1 year for my Romanian perfect woman, having sometimes 3 1 hour rooms with her on day / night, with a bad guy for so many times. I remember when she came sometimes for me, when she didn't plan to work on this day, sometimes only having my 200 business minus entry, so I apologized and she answered: don t worry, no problem, maybe she preferred I returned, rather than going with another one. I remember busier brunette I only discovered when she moved to Atlanta Hanau.[/QUOTE]For sure they will reopen but with which LU, if it is the same as in 2018 or 19 it will not be interesting for me. I am afraid that less and less fresh, young and natural beauties will arrive from Romania or Hungary and the pandemic will change nothing. Always the same veteran girls around switching from one FKK to another or doing escorting in London, Dublin, Dubai and after coming back to FKK, sorry I don t pay for those kind of girls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2558538]When I was in my twenties I had a friend who would not fuck black or mixed women. He just did not like them and it had nothing to do with racism. I asked him if he would bang Pam Grier if he had the opportunity (check out how she looked in the 70's) and he said no and at that time I had severe hots for her. He liked only white women but he liked them curvy, not skinny. I thought then as I do now how lucky I am to like all women as long as they are beautiful. I have had many beautiful women mongering in India.[/QUOTE]So what was the reason then? He just didn't like them? Based on what? I'm a human being, and I know that if a human being doesn't like something or doesn't want to do something, then ordinarily there is always a reason. It could be rational or irrational, or it could be something they don't feel comfortable saying, but believe me there is a reason when it comes to things like this. Probably the same one held by those who would consider certain women to not be "white enough".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2558538]When I was in my twenties I had a friend who would not fuck black or mixed women. He just did not like them and it had nothing to do with racism. I asked him if he would bang Pam Grier if he had the opportunity (check out how she looked in the 70's) and he said no and at that time I had severe hots for her. He liked only white women but he liked them curvy, not skinny. I thought then as I do now how lucky I am to like all women as long as they are beautiful. I have had many beautiful women mongering in India.[/QUOTE]If face is attractive and they have a skinny body, I will go for them. I tend to take mostly white women and some Latinos because they fit my spec. Some Asians too, but face does and't typically match what I fancy. I don't think I ever had Indian women, that would be interesting. I never see them in FKKs or even in the US strip clubs back in the day when I used to visit them. Not sure why. Some middle Eastern women in Germany and elsewhere in Europe (at least they claimed they were from middle East. Turkey or what have you). There was a skinny half white, half middle middle eastern girl in Oase or Sharks a few years ago, forgot, she was quite pretty and provided pretty decent service too.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558551]If face is attractive and they have a skinny body, I will go for them. I tend to take mostly white women and some Latinos because they fit my spec. Some Asians too, but face doesn't typically match what I fancy. I don't think I ever had Indian women, that would be interesting.[/QUOTE]For me, the face is extremely important. More so than tits even. If I can't get past that face, then surely I can't get to them hind quarters! And it's because of the face that I don't find myself attracted to most east Asian women. It's their faces. As for south Asian women, like from India, there seems to be no in between for me. Either I find them to be beautiful, or just hideous LOL! I have def seen some I would love to do, but never in an FKK or a termas. There was a club I went to in Dubai that was an Indian club, but it was kind of weird, and I couldn't quite figure out how things worked there. Oh well!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2558346]Haha without looking at all at your choices I would totally do #2 and #6. Wouldn't even click thru on the rest. We are polar opposites. We should double date. But Cane has already spoken for all the white bread girls. LOL.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I would put #2 first and #6 last. #5 would be my second choice.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2558566]Interesting. I would put #2 first and #6 last. #5 would be my second choice.[/QUOTE]I like #2 and #5 as well. We share the same tastes. I note that several guys said #2, so this vouches for her "hotness" LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558539]For sure they will reopen but with which LU, if it is the same as in 2018 or 19 it will not be interesting for me. I am afraid that less and less fresh, young and natural beauties will arrive from Romania or Hungary and the pandemic will change nothing. Always the same veteran girls around switching from one FKK to another or doing escorting in London, Dublin, Dubai and after coming back to FKK, sorry I don t pay for those kind of girls.[/QUOTE]Yes, mostly same girls on 2020 reopening, but if Germany only reopen on heat return on 2022, when dog years for WGs, so 14 years more since covid arrival, some may look like Sylvana, but not many will still have her strength and stamina, so maybe nature will clean a bit the business, for WGs, staff, but for sure Hells will still be in the place. Only one beauty can make World being a paradise. 2014 until 2015 Summer was really great, I didn't know before, but heard even better casting before.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558551]If face is attractive and they have a skinny body, I will go for them. I tend to take mostly white women and some Latinos because they fit my spec. Some Asians too, but face does and't typically match what I fancy. I don't think I ever had Indian women, that would be interesting. I never see them in FKKs or even in the US strip clubs back in the day when I used to visit them. Not sure why. Some middle Eastern women in Germany and elsewhere in Europe (at least they claimed they were from middle East. Turkey or what have you). There was a skinny half white, half middle middle eastern girl in Oase or Sharks a few years ago, forgot, she was quite pretty and provided pretty decent service too.[/QUOTE]I am always wondering how many guys on this forums are able to fuck without paying?

[QUOTE=Adindas;2558164]Some pornstars are very good looking with body to die for, see attached images. The first one is Helena Lux (new Comer), the second one is Casey Nohrman. I agree many escort FKK girls, WGs are much better looking that the majority of the porn stars. The figure you estimate does not include extra services yet. Just imagine how much they could charge if a monger wants a Bareback, Cum in Pussy (CIP) such as they will almost need to offer in a porn scene.

Most of pornstars (if not all) are doing escorts with the fractional of the rate they advertise in the agents. It is only that they will not advertise it openly the same with her pornstar profiles. You will need to find out how to find them. One tip off I have got is to contact them directly from their social media sites. Just need to make sure that the sites are controlled by them directly not by the agents.

The are a lot of misperception about the pornworld. A few people are still very nave to believe that these pornstars get paid of 5-6 figure sum such as Jenna Jameson. They do not know that the well paid pornstar such as Jenna Jameson is a business woman who own her own porn business / empire. The figure she has claimed just come the rate she paid for herself from her own companies for publicity stunt to raise up her own profile.[/QUOTE]Evelyn Claire is quite pretty when I would not go with many I saw, and I m sure worst surprise without make up and hairdresser. Girls who look like beautiful normal women are the prettiest, most attractive and interesting for me. Czech Uma has funny smile and beautiful eyes.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558620]I am always wondering how many guys on this forums are able to fuck without paying?[/QUOTE]Keep wondering. In a few years, you can take the slot of Jack Handey w / your deep thoughts.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558620]I am always wondering how many guys on this forums are able to fuck without paying?[/QUOTE]You and I?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2558622]Evelyn Claire is quite pretty when I would not go with many I saw, and I m sure worst surprise without make up and hairdresser. Girls who look like beautiful normal women are the prettiest, most attractive and interesting for me. Czech Uma has funny smile and beautiful eyes.[/QUOTE]

There are only a few of "Uma" or on the porn directories, that come to my attention: Uma Stone (US), Uma Jolie (US), Uma Zex (CZ).

Do you mean Uma Zex (see attached images) If so then we might have the same taste? Based on the IAFD record, But, she only active for year e. g. , 2013-2014 and she has now retired. She also played in Asian porn video with a Korean Guy.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2558768]You and I?[/QUOTE]I don't know you but I can.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2558542]So what was the reason then? He just didn't like them? Based on what? I'm a human being, and I know that if a human being doesn't like something or doesn't want to do something, then ordinarily there is always a reason. It could be rational or irrational, or it could be something they don't feel comfortable saying, but believe me there is a reason when it comes to things like this. Probably the same one held by those who would consider certain women to not be "white enough".[/QUOTE]Good question. I didn't want to belabor my post. He never went into any details as to why he was not sexually attracted to non-white women and I did not try to psychoanalyse him. I know that his first job was actually as a teacher at an African American school. I always thought that his experience there might have had something to do with it.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558551]... I don't think I ever had Indian women, that would be interesting. I never see them in FKKs or even in the US strip clubs back in the day when I used to visit them. Not sure why....[/QUOTE]I've been with Indian women in India and the Caribbean and quite enjoy my time with them. What I like most about Indian women is that they never fake moan. From my experience they tend to be a little embarrassed if they make any noise during sex and try their best to suppress it. So you know how I feel when I´m giving an Indian babe a good seeing to and she lets out multiple expletives.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558551]... Some middle Eastern women in Germany and elsewhere in Europe (at least they claimed they were from middle East. Turkey or what have you). There was a skinny half white, half middle middle eastern girl in Oase or Sharks a few years ago, forgot, she was quite pretty and provided pretty decent service too.[/QUOTE]There was a half Middle Eastern, half German girl at Sharks but I have forgotten her name. Joy, who I did last year was Egyptian. Leandra, who I also did last year was half German, half Pakistani. All at Sharks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2558838]I've been with Indian women in India and the Caribbean and quite enjoy my time with them. What I like most about Indian women is that they never fake moan. From my experience they tend to be a little embarrassed if they make any noise during sex and try their best to suppress it. So you know how I feel when I'm giving an Indian babe a good seeing to and she lets out multiple expletives.[/QUOTE]They do get kind of a bad rap in the UAE as being "starfish" and / or too often with bad hygiene (same for Pakistani women).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2558837]Good question. I didn't want to belabor my post. He never went into any details as to why he was not sexually attracted to non-white women and I did not try to psychoanalyse him. I know that his first job was actually as a teacher at an African American school. I always thought that his experience there might have had something to do with it.[/QUOTE]Guys and girls would fuck who they are attracted to. If you get a hard-on seeing a girl, would you stop yourself from fucking her deliberately? I doubt it. Especially when the girl is naked and available. Can't second guess why someone is attracted or not to someone else. Sex is the most intimate act people can do. For the same reason, I fully support a WG turning down a guy in the clubs although I am against selective door policy. In porn too, some women refuse to work with some dudes and it should be left to the women (and men) who they agree to fuck, even if they get paid for it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2558840]There was a half Middle Eastern, half German girl at Sharks but I have forgotten her name. Joy, who I did last year was Egyptian. Leandra, who I also did last year was half German, half Pakistani. All at Sharks.[/QUOTE]I tend to love Caucasian or eastern European stunner the most with Danish or north German stunner being my favorite, but I also acknowledge the beauty of mixed race between white and any others, they tend to be very very beautiful!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2558802]There are only a few of "Uma" or on the porn directories, that come to my attention: Uma Stone (US), Uma Jolie (US), Uma Zex (CZ).

Do you mean Uma Zex (see attached images) If so then we might have the same taste? Based on the IAFD record, But, she only active for year e. g. , 2013-2014 and she has now retired. She also played in Asian porn video with a Korean Guy.[/QUOTE]Smiling eyes and impressive squirting.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2558565]For me, the face is extremely important. More so than tits even. If I can't get past that face, then surely I can't get to them hind quarters! And it's because of the face that I don't find myself attracted to most east Asian women. It's their faces. As for south Asian women, like from India, there seems to be no in between for me. Either I find them to be beautiful, or just hideous LOL! I have def seen some I would love to do, but never in an FKK or a termas. There was a club I went to in Dubai that was an Indian club, but it was kind of weird, and I couldn't quite figure out how things worked there. Oh well![/QUOTE]I second that, for me there will never be any cover the face and fuck the base LOL! I see the face first, if she pass, then my eyes move to the body! No beautiful face, no fucki fucki, no sucki sucki LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2558881]Guys and girls would fuck who they are attracted to. If you get a hard-on seeing a girl, would you stop yourself from fucking her deliberately? I doubt it. Especially when the girl is naked and available. Can't second guess why someone is attracted or not to someone else. Sex is the most intimate act people can do. For the same reason, I fully support a WG turning down a guy in the clubs although I am against selective door policy. In porn too, some women refuse to work with some dudes and it should be left to the women (and men) who they agree to fuck, even if they get paid for it.[/QUOTE]We are all in the gutter, but some of us mongers are looking at stars LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2558620]I am always wondering how many guys on this forums are able to fuck without paying?[/QUOTE]

Most adults in this world. Does anyone here pay to fuck his other half (wife, partner, GF, etc). Not to mention the guys who are regular visitors of the swinger club. You pay for sex for having sex that you would not easily get without paying.

Paying for sex, you are actually applying the well-known, economic theory from David Ricardo, the theory of comparative advantage. You do what you are good at and let other people do what you are not good at and pay for them. Let the FKK managements, brothels, bordelos, agents, lover boys recruit these girls and you are just paying these girls to have sex in FKK. For many people paying for sex is much cheaper then hunting by themselves.

Everyone happy, you, the girl, the agent ..Also good for society as these businesses are contributing to the taxation system.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2559107]Most adults in this world. Does anyone here pay to fuck his other half (wife, partner, GF, etc). Not to mention the guys who are regular visitors of the swinger club. You pay for sex for having sex that you would not easily get without paying.

Paying for sex, you are actually applying the well-known, economic theory from David Ricardo, the theory of comparative advantage. You do what you are good at and let other people do what you are not good at and pay for them. Let the FKK managements, brothels, bordelos, agents, lover boys recruit these girls and you are just paying these girls to have sex in FKK. For many people paying for sex is much cheaper then hunting by themselves.

Everyone happy, you, the girl, the agent ..Also good for society as these businesses are contributing to the taxation system.[/QUOTE]By "hunting" you can get some satisfaction when you reach your target, by paying a prostitute I never got any satisfaction and most of the times left the room more depressed than before entering. Following other reports it seems that a vast majority of the mongers are married or in stable relation, in that case what are the drivers to prefer fucking a prostitute than your partner.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559133]By "hunting" you can get some satisfaction when you reach your target, by paying a prostitute I never got any satisfaction and most of the times left the room more depressed than before entering. Following other reports it seems that a vast majority of the mongers are married or in stable relation, in that case what are the drivers to prefer fucking a prostitute than your partner.[/QUOTE]You should not waste your money to fall depressed, when I work to make girls be or become good for me, not to feel I wasted my money, what I really hate. Really enjoyable to see a girl improving. Reason why I don't go with average looks, because even can be top performer, but when I don t dream, I feel I wasted my money and hate this, even I prefer to waste 50 than my time and motivation. FKK are just for easy, fast game, no bad consequences when You are able to control a bit, but for sure can t compete for level with real life with a beautiful normal woman and You know when You experienced in your life. Just easy and fast, like MacDo, but better taste.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559133]By "hunting" you can get some satisfaction when you reach your target, by paying a prostitute I never got any satisfaction and most of the times left the room more depressed than before entering. Following other reports it seems that a vast majority of the mongers are married or in stable relation, in that case what are the drivers to prefer fucking a prostitute than your partner.[/QUOTE]

Some people like spend time hunting say boars. Some people prefer sihing say (fish). Most prefer to just by it from the marlet as it is much cheaper and they do not have much time time to spend for hunting and/or fishing.

Anyway, do you have Bipolar disorder?? I remember in your previous postings you explain how often you visit FKK and know you said completely the opposite??

[QUOTE=Adindas;2559166]Some people like spend time hunting say boars. Some people prefer sihing say (fish). Most prefer to just by it from the marlet as it is much cheaper and they do not have much time time to spend for hunting and/or fishing.

Anyway, do you have Bipolar disorder?? I remember in your previous postings you explain how often you visit FKK and know you said completely the opposite??[/QUOTE]Maybe I have some mental issues like many people. I visited many times FKK but after my divorce, wanted probably to catch back some time. I am and was always very selective and I am only going with top beauties at least for my eyes. But it was never the center of my life and since 2017 less and less.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559194]Maybe I have some mental issues like many people. I visited many times FKK but after my divorce, wanted probably to catch back some time. I am and was always very selective and I am only going with top beauties at least for my eyes. But it was never the center of my life and since 2017 less and less.[/QUOTE]Do not worry, your mental issue is not your fault, it is your wife did that to you LOL! Let prostitutes heal your soul and head LOL! You did the right thing to dump that wife of yours who made you have mental issue LOL!

I go to FKK to fuck beautiful stunner who never get old or ugly because I change them LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2559166]Some people like spend time hunting say boars. Some people prefer sihing say (fish). Most prefer to just by it from the marlet as it is much cheaper and they do not have much time time to spend for hunting and/or fishing.

Anyway, do you have Bipolar disorder?? I remember in your previous postings you explain how often you visit FKK and know you said completely the opposite??[/QUOTE]These guys got some life choice issues, I like to hung beautiful stunners to fuck in the mouth, pussy and ass and make them lick my ass among other beautiful dirty things LOL! I am young beautiful stunner hunter not boar hunter LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2559240]Do not worry, your mental issue is not your fault, it is your wife did that to you LOL! Let prostitutes heal your soul and head LOL! You did the right thing to dump that wife of yours who made you have mental issue LOL!

I go to FKK to fuck beautiful stunner who never get old or ugly because I change them LOL![/QUOTE]Exactly. Some of the men in the world are purely polygamous. Very few are monogamous. All type of people are necessary in this world to maintain the sexual ecosystem.I love FKKs..The best relaxation avenue for men if plan your time properly from my level of thinking

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2559304]Exactly. Some of the men in the world are purely polygamous. Very few are monogamous. All type of people are necessary in this world to maintain the sexual ecosystem.I love FKKs..The best relaxation avenue for men if plan your time properly from my level of thinking[/QUOTE]Those soft mental wifey types of men are not suited for FKK because they get eaten by FKK girls LOL! Go hard or go home is the way to go in FKK LOL! Men's dreams came true venue! The dream box!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2559240]Do not worry, your mental issue is not your fault, it is your wife did that to you LOL! Let prostitutes heal your soul and head LOL! You did the right thing to dump that wife of yours who made you have mental issue LOL!

I go to FKK to fuck beautiful stunner who never get old or ugly because I change them LOL![/QUOTE]Sorry I am always responsible for my behavior and I never say it is the other fault. For sure fucking prostitutes will not help me on the contrary. So many more interesting things to do in my life than wasting my precious time with over fucked veteran prostitutes. My new mindset already started in 2017 and thanks to the pandemy now I am not waiting desperately the opening of the FKK. May be I will return a little bit like I have done it in 2019 when I visited several times GT Vienna but I never find a girl attractive enough so I left without a room.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2559304]Exactly. Some of the men in the world are purely polygamous. Very few are monogamous. All type of people are necessary in this world to maintain the sexual ecosystem.I love FKKs..The best relaxation avenue for men if plan your time properly from my level of thinking[/QUOTE]Songs really like the married guy visiting prostitutes and using this as a excuse. So your wife can also do the same, there is no reason that the woman don t have the same predisposition. And even this could be link to testosterone, education should be able to counterbalance this natural instinct. I have nothing against polygamous as long all the partners are aware of it but I am sure that so many men are fucking prostitutes without telling it to their partner, there is the problem.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2559149]You should not waste your money to fall depressed, when I work to make girls be or become good for me, not to feel I wasted my money, what I really hate. Really enjoyable to see a girl improving. Reason why I don't go with average looks, because even can be top performer, but when I don t dream, I feel I wasted my money and hate this, even I prefer to waste 50 than my time and motivation. FKK are just for easy, fast game, no bad consequences when You are able to control a bit, but for sure can t compete for level with real life with a beautiful normal woman and You know when You experienced in your life. Just easy and fast, like MacDo, but better taste.[/QUOTE]I am not depressed at all, but how many times I saw guys sitting on the bar of a FKK, looking sad, unhappy and drinking a lot of alcohol. Globally I don t believe that most of the guys are smiling, looking happy in a FKK, how many times guys are walking outside the room and the girl 5 meters behind him, how many times I saw guys unhappy when paying the girl.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2559304]Exactly. Some of the men in the world are purely polygamous. Very few are monogamous. All type of people are necessary in this world to maintain the sexual ecosystem.I love FKKs..The best relaxation avenue for men if plan your time properly from my level of thinking[/QUOTE]After all the only women, who know where their husbands are all the times are the widows.

Excuse me miss, but you are the one sucking my dick LOL!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2559346]After all the only women, who know where their husbands are all the times are the widows.[/QUOTE]Do not underestimate the ability of suspicious wives, they are as good as FBI, Mossad, CIA or KGB LOL! Be sure your GPS on your phone is off at all time or even better turn off the phone, but that you cannot do as it is like putting oil into fire for wives LOL!

Once, I met cool Kurdish guy in Artemis and we were chatting as we shared the sofa in main bar in Artemis, and suddenly he asked me, could you come to swimming pool area with me because I must take photo now on my phone, but I enjoy a conversation with you, so I thought it was bit odd, but I said yes as there was only plastic monsters in main bar, so I went down stairs to swimming pool with him and he took photo and video of swimming pool without staffs not seeing him, so I asked him, why do you take photo / video of swimming pool? Then he said, his wife sent him a message saying where are you? So he had to take photo and video of swimming pool, send it to his wife and tell her that he is at the fitness club LOL!

Well he did not lie to his wife as FKK is kind of like fitness club LOL! Some things married guy has to go through even at FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559316]Sorry I am always responsible for my behavior and I never say it is the other fault. For sure fucking prostitutes will not help me on the contrary. So many more interesting things to do in my life than wasting my precious time with over fucked veteran prostitutes. My new mindset already started in 2017 and thanks to the pandemy now I am not waiting desperately the opening of the FKK. May be I will return a little bit like I have done it in 2019 when I visited several times GT Vienna but I never find a girl attractive enough so I left without a room.[/QUOTE]Well one do not need to just fuck good prostitute, one can do many activities in life, but one thing for sure is that fucking young beautiful stunner one after another is very revitalizing LOL! So will I return, well as long as FKK provide me young beautiful stunners then fuck yeah! I will return for ever! Even at age 80, I will return, even one day, I cannot fuck young beautiful stunner due to old age, I will return to lick them and make them lick me LOL! It is forever love thing LOL! But I also do other things in life, it is just that fucking young beautiful stunner is very important part of my life that I never get bored, I am used to beautiful girls though!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559321]I am not depressed at all, but how many times I saw guys sitting on the bar of a FKK, looking sad, unhappy and drinking a lot of alcohol. Globally I don t believe that most of the guys are smiling, looking happy in a FKK, how many times guys are walking outside the room and the girl 5 meters behind him, how many times I saw guys unhappy when paying the girl.[/QUOTE]Fact real fact Siri. But I noticed some will give kisses before and after opening and closing of the locker and even a firm hug. I also enjoy little romance in sessions when I get a good company. I still don't know how many are enjoying the same girl repeatedly on same day.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559321]I am not depressed at all, but how many times I saw guys sitting on the bar of a FKK, looking sad, unhappy and drinking a lot of alcohol. Globally I don t believe that most of the guys are smiling, looking happy in a FKK, how many times guys are walking outside the room and the girl 5 meters behind him, how many times I saw guys unhappy when paying the girl.[/QUOTE]You wrote you often left the room more depressed than when going, so waste of money for me. I don't put pressure on me, but if I thought I would not find any pleasure, I would not spend on entry and I don t pay just for sex, if the girl doesn't make me dream with mainly her look or interesting manners, even I used GT to watch ski Worldcup or Globe to prepare for Verbier. Heard a German telling FKK may not be anymore same like before, but I don t agree, I don t know when Germany will reopen, but I know girls and pimps will always need our money, so just will have to find girl on own standard, I know mine, and pretty sure will still work like always and anywhere I experienced. Just matter of time.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559321]I am not depressed at all, but how many times I saw guys sitting on the bar of a FKK, looking sad, unhappy and drinking a lot of alcohol. Globally I don t believe that most of the guys are smiling, looking happy in a FKK, how many times guys are walking outside the room and the girl 5 meters behind him, how many times I saw guys unhappy when paying the girl.[/QUOTE]

They belong to stupid guys. Why would people want to spend time and money mourning all day in FKK. If you are mourning you should stay home, go to the place of worships, join the charitable, social activities.

People spend time and money to entertain themselves. Why would they go to FKK to see people having fun, have sex with stunners?? That will make you more envy, unhappy.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2559580]They belong to stupid guys. Why would people want to spend time and money mourning all day in FKK. If you are mourning you should stay home, go to the place of worships, join the charitable, social activities.

People spend time and money to entertain themselves. Why would they go to FKK to see people having fun, have sex with stunners?? That will make you more envy, unhappy.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I went so many times to FKK and I can tell you that until 7 PM (after may be there is some party spirit going on, no idea I always left before 7 PM) I saw so many guys being unhappy, sometimes rude with the girls, closed face, even some were a bit aggressive in the sauna. May be the reason could be that those guys are not able to date nice woman in real life, or may be it represents a important part of their income.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559321]I am not depressed at all, but how many times I saw guys sitting on the bar of a FKK, looking sad, unhappy and drinking a lot of alcohol. Globally I don t believe that most of the guys are smiling, looking happy in a FKK, how many times guys are walking outside the room and the girl 5 meters behind him, how many times I saw guys unhappy when paying the girl.[/QUOTE]They must have pick the wrong girl LOL! I am always happy in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2559580]They belong to stupid guys. Why would people want to spend time and money mourning all day in FKK. If you are mourning you should stay home, go to the place of worships, join the charitable, social activities.

People spend time and money to entertain themselves. Why would they go to FKK to see people having fun, have sex with stunners?? That will make you more envy, unhappy.[/QUOTE]Do sport, spend time in nature, smoke weed, talk to friends, listen to good music and get your dick sucked by young beautiful stunner or two of them at the same time, then if that do not make these men happy, there is nothing that will make them happy LOL!

Fucking beautiful stunner is the most revitalizing thing there is on this planet or even try doing that in nature! It is resurrection LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2559580]They belong to stupid guys. Why would people want to spend time and money mourning all day in FKK. If you are mourning you should stay home, go to the place of worships, join the charitable, social activities.

People spend time and money to entertain themselves. Why would they go to FKK to see people having fun, have sex with stunners?? That will make you more envy, unhappy.[/QUOTE]Many Germans go to FKK, usually on discount days like Sunday at Sharks for 50, to eat, drink, sauna, taking sun in garden, looking asses, speaking with regulars they know, then home and no more, for a Sunday at restaurant with breakfast, lunch, diner, asses, pussies and tits, for 50, some other clubs like Rom being even cheaper. When I don't see any attraction, I think: just relax and rest, even usually exhausting my mind when can t find a beauty, but tomorrow may be a better day elsewhere. No pressure, patience make a good hunter, even I hate to have to run after girls, I much prefer when my beauties return to me, so much easier for me.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2559510]Do not underestimate the ability of suspicious wives, they are as good as FBI, Mossad, CIA or KGB LOL! Be sure your GPS on your phone is off at all time or even better turn off the phone, but that you cannot do as it is like putting oil into fire for wives LOL!

Once, I met cool Kurdish guy in Artemis and we were chatting as we shared the sofa in main bar in Artemis, and suddenly he asked me, could you come to swimming pool area with me because I must take photo now on my phone, but I enjoy a conversation with you, so I thought it was bit odd, but I said yes as there was only plastic monsters in main bar, so I went down stairs to swimming pool with him and he took photo and video of swimming pool without staffs not seeing him, so I asked him, why do you take photo / video of swimming pool? Then he said, his wife sent him a message saying where are you? So he had to take photo and video of swimming pool, send it to his wife and tell her that he is at the fitness club LOL!

Well he did not lie to his wife as FKK is kind of like fitness club LOL! Some things married guy has to go through even at FKK LOL![/QUOTE]Funny story! I have seen so many guys running past reception at Sharks when they had to take a wife or work call in order to avoid the other person hear the club music! I always smiled at these guys as they are prepared to run so many risks for keeping their secret hobby alive! I once took a client call in one of the garden huts at Sharks. It was a successful call!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2559594]Many Germans go to FKK, usually on discount days like Sunday at Sharks for 50, to eat, drink, sauna, taking sun in garden, looking asses, speaking with regulars they know, then home and no more, for a Sunday at restaurant with breakfast, lunch, diner, asses, pussies and tits, for 50, some other clubs like Rom being even cheaper. When I don't see any attraction, I think: just relax and rest, even usually exhausting my mind when can t find a beauty, but tomorrow may be a better day elsewhere. No pressure, patience make a good hunter, even I hate to have to run after girls, I much prefer when my beauties return to me, so much easier for me.[/QUOTE]The scenery is always good. Who can complain if a bunch of naked chicks are walking around? In a way, not having any urgency to take rooms lifts the stress. Tourists (like me) have targets and goals in mind. I am thinking "shoot, I have been in Germany 4 days already, have only 2 more days remaining, have been in the room only x number of times, I need to catch up and get to my normal number". I know my next visit to Germany is not for a while and would be wanting to accumulate the score up. I feel like a salesman trying to hit my quarterly quota, with only a week to go before quarter end. The locals not in a rush to session actually have it good. They can relax, lie around in the lounge or near the pool, eat (the not so good) food and perhaps a few drinks, watch some sports and shoot breeze w / pals. Not a bad life. Plus the naked chicks strutting around always makes for good ambience. I am not sure if I can resist the urge to go to the room if I was in their shoes; but generally the local low / no roomers are also the older ones, perhaps they had their fill of sex in their day and content now to watch more and fuck less.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559590]Sorry but I went so many times to FKK and I can tell you that until 7 PM (after may be there is some party spirit going on, no idea I always left before 7 PM) I saw so many guys being unhappy, sometimes rude with the girls, closed face, even some were a bit aggressive in the sauna. May be the reason could be that those guys are not able to date nice woman in real life, or may be it represents a important part of their income.[/QUOTE]Some guys increase their sexual frustration in FKK, when even paying but not able to enjoy, when emptying balls is not high pleasure. Some get frustrated when seeing others, some looking more at other guys than they are able with girls. They should not waste their money. Only worth to spend if getting pleasure in mind.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2559643]Funny story! I have seen so many guys running past reception at Sharks when they had to take a wife or work call in order to avoid the other person hear the club music! I always smiled at these guys as they are prepared to run so many risks for keeping their secret hobby alive! I once took a client call in one of the garden huts at Sharks. It was a successful call![/QUOTE]Ha! That would be me, LOL. I normally wear the towel but keep the robe around for chilly winter nights to take my phone calls out. I do the call in the car or in some corner out, away from the music. What to do! Six fucks a night makes it all worthwhile.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2559657]The scenery is always good. Who can complain if a bunch of naked chicks are walking around? In a way, not having any urgency to take rooms lifts the stress. Tourists (like me) have targets and goals in mind. I am thinking "shoot, I have been in Germany 4 days already, have only 2 more days remaining, have been in the room only x number of times, I need to catch up and get to my normal number". I know my next visit to Germany is not for a while and would be wanting to accumulate the score up. I feel like a salesman trying to hit my quarterly quota, with only a week to go before quarter end. The locals not in a rush to session actually have it good. They can relax, lie around in the lounge or near the pool, eat (the not so good) food and perhaps a few drinks, watch some sports and shoot breeze w / pals. Not a bad life. Plus the naked chicks strutting around always makes for good ambience. I am not sure if I can resist the urge to go to the room if I was in their shoes; but generally the local low / no roomers are also the older ones, perhaps they had their fill of sex in their day and content now to watch more and fuck less.[/QUOTE]I complain 80% of time in FKK because it is mostly plastic monster festival combined with dick festival LOL! Until amazing stunner walks in after few hours of waiting LOL!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2559643]Funny story! I have seen so many guys running past reception at Sharks when they had to take a wife or work call in order to avoid the other person hear the club music! I always smiled at these guys as they are prepared to run so many risks for keeping their secret hobby alive! I once took a client call in one of the garden huts at Sharks. It was a successful call![/QUOTE]So now you and I know that if we are ever in need of alibi in FKK, we just have to take photo of swimming pool and send it to the counterpart saying you are in fitness club and you won't be lying about it as FKK is kind of special fitness club with special personal trainer LOL!

Live fullest today because there may not be tomorrow and for monger live fullest now as our dick won't be standing tomorrow LOL! Never prolong the days of fucking young beautiful stunner in FKK as she might be gone tomorrow LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2559580]

Why would they go to FKK to see people having fun, have sex with stunners?? That will make you more envy, unhappy.[/QUOTE]For me that is also a fun he he. Voyeur. Along with having fun myself people watching is also interesting plus looking on beautiful naked ladies whole day is not at all boring.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2559657]The scenery is always good. Who can complain if a bunch of naked chicks are walking around? In a way, not having any urgency to take rooms lifts the stress. Tourists (like me) have targets and goals in mind. I am thinking "shoot, I have been in Germany 4 days already, have only 2 more days remaining, have been in the room only x number of times, I need to catch up and get to my normal number". I know my next visit to Germany is not for a while and would be wanting to accumulate the score up. I feel like a salesman trying to hit my quarterly quota, with only a week to go before quarter end. The locals not in a rush to session actually have it good. They can relax, lie around in the lounge or near the pool, eat (the not so good) food and perhaps a few drinks, watch some sports and shoot breeze w / pals. Not a bad life. Plus the naked chicks strutting around always makes for good ambience. I am not sure if I can resist the urge to go to the room if I was in their shoes; but generally the local low / no roomers are also the older ones, perhaps they had their fill of sex in their day and content now to watch more and fuck less.[/QUOTE]They seem to go more to meet other locals they know rather than for girls and girls tell: they don t come for girls but just to eat. But no problem for me, then girls are free, if I m able to find one for me. I remember when I started, I was so disappointed when I couldn't find a girl on my standards, mostly in Bruggen at this time, sometimes from 1 pm to 9 pm, to be sure not to miss a beauty and I was sure because I know where are strategic points in clubs, not falling on the bar, so when I left, I booked a escort in Paris, I drove more than 900 kms just to eat and drink apple juice and hot chocolate, to enjoy a girl back at home. Fortunately, escorts were higher level than now in Paris. But I learned, when not finding a girl and extending my playfield to Hessen on 2014 and back Switzerland on 2016 after wow Mia on 2011, no problem, tomorrow will be a better day, elsewhere in huge datcha, no more pressure when could be 5 days weekly and I know guys who can go everyday or on 6 days, but no jealousy, because I just need to find only 1 beauty on my standards and then I m happy, she can be enough for me, as long we play a good game for my mind. I just don t care what do other guys in FKK, I just look for woman images which are the only ones to motivate my desire. Some girls telling me: go home, just because I can t feel any desire for such images. Maybe I became a bit German in brothels, even having more respect for Romanian women.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2559667]Some guys increase their sexual frustration in FKK, when even paying but not able to enjoy, when emptying balls is not high pleasure. Some get frustrated when seeing others, some looking more at other guys than they are able with girls. They should not waste their money. Only worth to spend if getting pleasure in mind.[/QUOTE]Probably your eyes are much better than mine, for me it is very difficult to see in details the girls just because most of the FKK are too dark inside, like Shark, Palace, World, and only very few girls are walking naked outside under the sunshine.

I like beautiful soft skin without any imperfections and this is difficult to see until you are in the room.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2559657]The scenery is always good. Who can complain if a bunch of naked chicks are walking around? In a way, not having any urgency to take rooms lifts the stress. [/QUOTE]Yup, that is the way it works for many locals. No stress, not much time investment up front, if there is no good talent available one evening just go home and try again next time. Having decent clubs available close by helps a bit with overall quality of living.

I am Penetrater, I penetrate into beautiful stunners pussy, mouth and anal around the world LOL! The Notorious Penetrater LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2559667]Some guys increase their sexual frustration in FKK, when even paying but not able to enjoy, when emptying balls is not high pleasure.....[/QUOTE]If I empty balls in a 4 or 5 I get disgusted with myself but in an FKK that rarely happens as there are 7's, 8's and 9's available.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2559827]If I empty balls in a 4 or 5 I get disgusted with myself but in an FKK that rarely happens as there are 7's, 8's and 9's available.[/QUOTE]I don't even mess with anything less than a 7 bro. Not about to happen! I mean what for? Only problem is that I have zero interest in women anywhere near my age. I suppose it's not a problem as long as I can find women willing to sell it. According to polite society, I guess that's supposed to be a reason for self-disgust. Not at all. But, I don't feel that way. As far as I'm concerned, society has it wrong.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2559827]If I empty balls in a 4 or 5 I get disgusted with myself but in an FKK that rarely happens as there are 7's, 8's and 9's available.[/QUOTE]When I m not attracted, when a girl touch me and many want to touch my hair or face, some at Finca or Bab trying to catch dick, I just feel agressed, when most guys are happy with these girls. When I was waiting for my only girl at LR who started late, or resting after her, when some girls came to rub on me, just a nightmare when they didn't understand I refused to touch them, so for sure, just impossible for me to have sex with a girl who doesn't attract me and no pleasure when the girl doesnt make me dream. Even with my best ever FKK girl, even I found her pretty, but didn't finish on some of our last times, because not anymore same magic, even what I like to meet weekly same girl, I could have met her weekly for years, but I need woman image, to desire. I don t need sex, I need dream.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2559836]I don't even mess with anything less than a 7 bro. Not about to happen! I mean what for? Only problem is that I have zero interest in women anywhere near my age. I suppose it's not a problem as long as I can find women willing to sell it. According to polite society, I guess that's supposed to be a reason for self-disgust. Not at all. But, I don't feel that way. As far as I'm concerned, society has it wrong.[/QUOTE]I assume Turgid doesn't take a girl that is a 4 in *his eyes*.

I mean, he is in the room, can clarify. Obviously one dude's 9 is another dude's 5 or 6. I agree with you on the age thing. There were some comments in the seeking thread about older women. I don't go to FKKs or pay arrangement allowances to have sex w / a 40 or 45 year old. My sweet spot is 22 to 25, followed by 19/20's' and late 20's.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2559727]Live fullest today because there may not be tomorrow and for monger live fullest now as our dick won't be standing tomorrow LOL! Never prolong the days of fucking young beautiful stunner in FKK as she might be gone tomorrow LOL![/QUOTE]Yeah, when this is over, I will never take our favorite "fitness clubs" for granted ever again!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2559768]Probably your eyes are much better than mine, for me it is very difficult to see in details the girls just because most of the FKK are too dark inside, like Shark, Palace, World, and only very few girls are walking naked outside under the sunshine.

I like beautiful soft skin without any imperfections and this is difficult to see until you are in the room.[/QUOTE]My eyes are not so good and were often burned in high mountains. I remember on September 1998 after skiing under sun in Tignes, I like so much to see very white snow, Summer ski finishing at 1 pm, at 2 pm I was in dark fog with eyes crying and crying, had to wait night to drive to Paris, because couldn't keep eyes opened under sun. But for a women lover like me, my old burned eyes are scanner to analyze women and I m not a ghost to hide in the dark in brothels. From my jobs, easy for me to analyze strategic spots and I stay there, I don t hold the bar, I focus on girls for who I drive so many kilometers and pay entry, I only look at guys under shower because many are funny there. Before going to a new girl, I will scan her on many positions, sometimes for hours, sometimes not even able to go to her. When I go, some telling me: You look so much, too much, but when they know me, most return to repeat. I remember discovering one on late December 2016 at LR, when she was having diner. Beautiful eyes and very welcoming beautiful smile with white teeth when she saw I was looking at her, but not enough for me, I needed to see her body which was hidden behind table, so let s see later. Saw her later sitting with a old fat German, she saw I was looking at her so she did stand up and came to me, telling she would be free after, really bad start when the only attractive look on this evening, but at least could scan her body despite her push up but I loved her small perfect for me tits, fortunately rabbit room, very low level scared by my size on discovery even since 3 weeks at high level for services LR, but I didn t mistake for the look and even decided and I was her first to repeat on same evening, around 2 hours later, then trusting me and improving a bit, so I drove 2000 kms for her on next week end, thanks to her friend Ariana at this time who told her, Ariana moving to YY later, and again improving on her last day before returning home and buy a car to her pimp with her first month earning, so she was back after 10 days, when she told she wanted to stay 1 month with her family and I was happy for her, when she could be angry when returning so fast to LR. When some guys tell me about pretty girls, I m most often disappointed by look or image, so I only trust my old eyes used to beauty for everything since I was a child. Sometimes I look photos when I was a child and really had wow beauties for little GF, when I changed so often on each holidays, I would be happy to find such looks in FKK. I find girls have more charm when not full naked, I like girls in dress and high heels at Amesia ex Bumsalp, rather than prostitutes plastic platform to look 20 cm taller. My eyes are even quite able to scan under dress, didn't have so bad surprise there, when very exciting to put off dress, underwear and stockings, I love how girls look at me putting off underwear or stockings, they really don t seem used to, erotic game to start foreplay.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2559868]I assume Turgid doesn't take a girl that is a 4 in *his eyes*.

I mean, he is in the room, can clarify. Obviously one dude's 9 is another dude's 5 or 6. I agree with you on the age thing. There were some comments in the seeking thread about older women. I don't go to FKKs or pay arrangement allowances to have sex w / a 40 or 45 year old. My sweet spot is 22 to 25, followed by 19/20's' and late 20's.[/QUOTE]Actually, I recall Turgid saying he would indeed go that low, according to even his own personal standards.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2559800]I am Penetrater, I penetrate into beautiful stunners pussy, mouth and anal around the world LOL! The Notorious Penetrater LOL![/QUOTE]You should text Oprah Winfrey:

[URL]https://youtu.be/7liYfhRgXGk[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2559968]You should text Oprah Winfrey:

[URL]https://youtu.be/7liYfhRgXGk[/URL][/QUOTE]She is too ugly for my taste, heck no, I try my best only talk to beautiful stunner, even at cashier or airport desks etc, I try my best to choose the one who look least the best LOL! I am very visual person and Winfrey? Hell no! No way!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2559936]Actually, I recall Turgid saying he would indeed go that low, according to even his own personal standards.[/QUOTE]Only low I go for is J Lo, even though she is not my type exactly, I would still go for half hour session if there is no other stunner to go with LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2559872]Yeah, when this is over, I will never take our favorite "fitness clubs" for granted ever again![/QUOTE]It will be the sexual healing after the pandemic LOL! The day will come! But! Maybe not this year LOL LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2559891]My eyes are not so good and were often burned in high mountains. I remember on September 1998 after skiing under sun in Tignes, I like so much to see very white snow, Summer ski finishing at 1 pm, at 2 pm I was in dark fog with eyes crying and crying, had to wait night to drive to Paris, because couldn't keep eyes opened under sun. But for a women lover like me, my old burned eyes are scanner to analyze women and I m not a ghost to hide in the dark in brothels. From my jobs, easy for me to analyze strategic spots and I stay there, I don t hold the bar, I focus on girls for who I drive so many kilometers and pay entry, I only look at guys under shower because many are funny there. Before going to a new girl, I will scan her on many positions, sometimes for hours, sometimes not even able to go to her. When I go, some telling me: You look so much, too much, but when they know me, most return to repeat. I remember discovering one on late December 2016 at LR, when she was having diner. Beautiful eyes and very welcoming beautiful smile with white teeth when she saw I was looking at her, but not enough for me, I needed to see her body which was hidden behind table, so let s see later. Saw her later sitting with a old fat German, she saw I was looking at her so she did stand up and came to me, telling she would be free after, really bad start when the only attractive look on this evening, but at least could scan her body despite her push up but I loved her small perfect for me tits, fortunately rabbit room, very low level scared by my size on discovery even since 3 weeks at high level for services LR, but I didn t mistake for the look and even decided and I was her first to repeat on same evening, around 2 hours later, then trusting me and improving a bit, so I drove 2000 kms for her on next week end, thanks to her friend Ariana at this time who told her, Ariana moving to YY later, and again improving on her last day before returning home and buy a car to her pimp with her first month earning, so she was back after 10 days, when she told she wanted to stay 1 month with her family and I was happy for her, when she could be angry when returning so fast to LR. When some guys tell me about pretty girls, I m most often disappointed by look or image, so I only trust my old eyes used to beauty for everything since I was a child. Sometimes I look photos when I was a child and really had wow beauties for little GF, when I changed so often on each holidays, I would be happy to find such looks in FKK.[/QUOTE]Not good eyes are fatally dangerous thing in FKK LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2559836]I don't even mess with anything less than a 7 bro. Not about to happen! I mean what for? Only problem is that I have zero interest in women anywhere near my age. I suppose it's not a problem as long as I can find women willing to sell it. According to polite society, I guess that's supposed to be a reason for self-disgust. Not at all. But, I don't feel that way. As far as I'm concerned, society has it wrong.[/QUOTE]Anything below 7 is what I call eye pollution LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2559968]You should text Oprah Winfrey:

[URL]https://youtu.be/7liYfhRgXGk[/URL][/QUOTE]When I have to be so careful, not to hurt them. When you are normal size, not even third leg, and a bit sporty hard, when mostly small pussies in FKK, You can't play porn. They would never return to you. In real life, I thought women preferred to play with something a bit impressive and to feel filled inside, not same game in FKK, had to adapt.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2559726]So now you and I know that if we are ever in need of alibi in FKK, we just have to take photo of swimming pool and send it to the counterpart saying you are in fitness club and you won't be lying about it as FKK is kind of special fitness club with special personal trainer LOL![/QUOTE]Would be funny if a club made a room for phone calls but the room had a desk and a laptop as to look like office / workspace.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2559868]I assume Turgid doesn't take a girl that is a 4 in *his eyes*.

I mean, he is in the room, can clarify. Obviously one dude's 9 is another dude's 5 or 6. I agree with you on the age thing. There were some comments in the seeking thread about older women. I don't go to FKKs or pay arrangement allowances to have sex w / a 40 or 45 year old. My sweet spot is 22 to 25, followed by 19/20's' and late 20's.[/QUOTE]I have never taken a 4 or 5 in an FKK or in any other destination of my travels. However, I have faltered in the past at home when an escort was sent to my place, not of my desiring, but I was horny.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2559936]Actually, I recall Turgid saying he would indeed go that low, according to even his own personal standards.[/QUOTE]If I am at home and horny and a girl was sent to me, I'd rather bang a 4 or 5 than masturbate.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2559976]Only low I go for is J Lo, even though she is not my type exactly, I would still go for half hour session if there is no other stunner to go with LOL![/QUOTE]J Lo: is she Jennifer Lawrence or Jennifer Lopez??

You might need an eye surgery if you think Jennifer Lawrence is not a stunner (in her age). At least you are against the general public opinion.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2560107]
If I am at home and horny and a girl was sent to me, I'd rather bang a 4 or 5 than masturbate.[/QUOTE]Well in this case you shoud be able to do CIP. But of coaurse make sure that both parties are free from any infections.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2560151]J Lo: is she Jennifer Lawrence or Jennifer Lopez??

You might need an eye surgery if you think Jennifer Lawrence is not a stunner (in her age). At least you are against the general public opinion.[/QUOTE]I think he means Lopez but didn't understand the point since she's super old.

Lawrence I'd do but honestly I have realized that plenty of actresses aren't all that attractive. Athletes like pole vaulters on the other hand...

[QUOTE=Ararat;2560179]I think he means Lopez but didn't understand the point since she's super old.

Lawrence I'd do but honestly I have realized that plenty of actresses aren't all that attractive. Athletes like pole vaulters on the other hand...[/QUOTE]

Female MMA Fighters: Andrea Lee, Holly Holm, Valentina Schevchenko??

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_7MTv1Tek&t=185s[/URL]

You might want to see how hot Andrea Lee is, during the MMA weigh in. She is just wearing Thong / Mini Strip bikini in front of million people around the world watching her during the weigh in showing that very firm tummy. Skip it to minutes 02.12.

It seems that the female MMS fighters is hotter than the ring girls nowadays.

The Asian one fighting in One Championship: Angela Lee is also very fit and hot.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2560186]Female MMA Fighters [/QUOTE]I would prefer less muscular, but fit and taller: high jumpers or volleyball players.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2560107]If I am at home and horny and a girl was sent to me, I'd rather bang a 4 or 5 than masturbate.[/QUOTE]I've done a couple 4-5's for various reasons (pity fuck and strip club blue balls) and found that fat girls do try harder! Both kissed and BJed like their lives depended on it. And the fucking was great too. Turns out you can be ridden by a fat girl without breaking!

But my favorite experience was a fat low priced hooker after 4 hours at a strip club. We were face to face about to kiss and she says "damn your handsome. I usually have to fuck fat old dudes. " Awwww now I like her even better. We had a great time!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2560217]I've done a couple 4-5's for various reasons (pity fuck and strip club blue balls) and found that fat girls do try harder! Both kissed and BJed like their lives depended on it. And the fucking was great too. Turns out you can be ridden by a fat girl without breaking!

But my favorite experience was a fat low priced hooker after 4 hours at a strip club. We were face to face about to kiss and she says "damn your handsome. I usually have to fuck fat old dudes. " Awwww now I like her even better. We had a great time![/QUOTE]You and Turgid keep taking them for the team. Because I won't! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2560217]I've done a couple 4-5's for various reasons (pity fuck and strip club blue balls) and found that fat girls do try harder! Both kissed and BJed like their lives depended on it. And the fucking was great too. Turns out you can be ridden by a fat girl without breaking!

But my favorite experience was a fat low priced hooker after 4 hours at a strip club. We were face to face about to kiss and she says "damn your handsome. I usually have to fuck fat old dudes. " Awwww now I like her even better. We had a great time![/QUOTE]Isn't it better when a beauty says same? Or cancel others for you? Waking up my desire.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2560102]Would be funny if a club made a room for phone calls but the room had a desk and a laptop as to look like office / workspace.[/QUOTE]If FKK club makes such a room to make a call to wife or business partners etc, such room will be 50 euro per 3 min LOL!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2560151]J Lo: is she Jennifer Lawrence or Jennifer Lopez??

You might need an eye surgery if you think Jennifer Lawrence is not a stunner (in her age). At least you are against the general public opinion.[/QUOTE]When did I say Jennifer Laurence is not a stunner LOL! It is Lopez who was a stunner, but still then is not my top type though she still was a stunner to me. But Jenniffer Laurence is very much direction of stunner to my taste yes, but I like more Margot Robbie maybe. Put it this way, my stunner taste is very much classic taste of general good taste opinion, but I also like mixed blood exotic stunner, like half Arab, half white etc which we get sometimes in Germany!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2560217]I've done a couple 4-5's for various reasons (pity fuck and strip club blue balls) and found that fat girls do try harder! Both kissed and BJed like their lives depended on it. And the fucking was great too. Turns out you can be ridden by a fat girl without breaking!

But my favorite experience was a fat low priced hooker after 4 hours at a strip club. We were face to face about to kiss and she says "damn your handsome. I usually have to fuck fat old dudes. " Awwww now I like her even better. We had a great time![/QUOTE]For me, stunner girls try harder because I fuck her harder LOL! Period! No room for me with fat girl or any girl below 8 LOL! I am that guy who sit at FKK for hours till I find the one I choose to go to room with nowadays, back in early 2010's, there were more stunners in FKK!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2560107]If I am at home and horny and a girl was sent to me, I'd rather bang a 4 or 5 than masturbate.[/QUOTE]Me, I prefer to fuck my masturbation hole with good gel with amazing memories I have with my top stunners I collected from around the world since age of 17 than fuck ugly girls, no way! LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2560232]You and Turgid keep taking them for the team. Because I won't! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]It was like that when I went to Manila to monger, white folks too local looking girls, and I took the Eurasian stunners, so it really was a balanced teamwork LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2559868]. My sweet spot is 22 to 25, followed by 19/20's' and late 20's.[/QUOTE]Ditto brother, right on!

When you think you are free, the crack inside her ass is me LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2560253]For me, stunner girls try harder because I fuck her harder LOL! Period! No room for me with fat girl or any girl below 8 LOL! I am that guy who sit at FKK for hours till I find the one I choose to go to room with nowadays, back in early 2010's, there were more stunners in FKK![/QUOTE]This is for sure, probably because more new fresh beauties were entering the business every month, most of the girls in FKK are aging very fast and in the recent years we have mostly always the same veteran girls around with more and more sili, botox, tattoos.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2560217]I've done a couple 4-5's for various reasons (pity fuck and strip club blue balls) and found that fat girls do try harder! Both kissed and BJed like their lives depended on it. And the fucking was great too. Turns out you can be ridden by a fat girl without breaking!

But my favorite experience was a fat low priced hooker after 4 hours at a strip club. We were face to face about to kiss and she says "damn your handsome. I usually have to fuck fat old dudes. " Awwww now I like her even better. We had a great time![/QUOTE]When I pay I want the top or nothing, only beauty matters all the rest is fake when it comes from a prostitute.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2559868]I assume Turgid doesn't take a girl that is a 4 in *his eyes*.

I mean, he is in the room, can clarify. Obviously one dude's 9 is another dude's 5 or 6. I agree with you on the age thing. There were some comments in the seeking thread about older women. I don't go to FKKs or pay arrangement allowances to have sex w / a 40 or 45 year old. My sweet spot is 22 to 25, followed by 19/20's' and late 20's.[/QUOTE]When I remember how 37 yo Latvian Lena made me dream at PSR on August 2013, driving whole night to Koln after my Alps climbing's, my standards are much more about beauty, elegance, charm and a bit chic manners, rather than age, when girls get usually more interesting for sexuality with age and little mum are usually so sweet when they know what they got and discover what exist, they seem usually so surprised. Girls who make me dream are my best. Less than 20 yo are usually a bit limited about sexual knowledge when peste don't help them for knowledge but just a hole. Long legs with good waist / round ass ratio are usually more impressive to make dream eyes. Pretty face with white teeth also. Really pretty faces are not so numerous in FKK.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2560179]I think he means Lopez but didn't understand the point since she's super old.

Lawrence I'd do but honestly I have realized that plenty of actresses aren't all that attractive. Athletes like pole vaulters on the other hand...[/QUOTE]Pole vaulters, hmmm. Like actual pole vaulters or double entendre? Hah.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2560217]I've done a couple 4-5's for various reasons (pity fuck and strip club blue balls) and found that fat girls do try harder! Both kissed and BJed like their lives depended on it. And the fucking was great too. Turns out you can be ridden by a fat girl without breaking!

But my favorite experience was a fat low priced hooker after 4 hours at a strip club. We were face to face about to kiss and she says "damn your handsome. I usually have to fuck fat old dudes. " Awwww now I like her even better. We had a great time![/QUOTE]If you can't fuck a 10, two 5's makes a 10.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2559982]Anything below 7 is what I call eye pollution LOL![/QUOTE]Some times I choose around and below 7 because they will be very friendly and highly cooperative on the service. May be the negligence make them to do so. Not sympathetic. As a non regular customer it gave me a lot of benefits. In 2017 I visited Sharks, a girl sat beside me hiding her body with a towel. I didn't even care about her as I was looking the stunners. She asked me what I am looking for? I replied I am for a big natural booby. She opened her towel and showed me her boobs. Man, the view was awesome. I went with her and we spent nearly one hour. The GFE was the best one I experienced. She said she was from Potugal and she may be in her early 30's and in 6 or 7 rating. I couldn't remember her name as It was my amature time in saunas. Sirioja helped me a lot afterwards. He he.

Regards.

Even at 50 yo old, Jennifer Lopez is still very hot. Have you seen the movie 'hustlers' where she plays a scamming stripper?

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2560356]Some times I choose around and below 7 because they will be very friendly and highly cooperative on the service. May be the negligence make them to do so. Not sympathetic. As a non regular customer it gave me a lot of benefits. In 2017 I visited Sharks, a girl sat beside me hiding her body with a towel. I didn't even care about her as I was looking the stunners. She asked me what I am looking for? I replied I am for a big natural booby. She opened her towel and showed me her boobs. Man, the view was awesome. I went with her and we spent nearly one hour. The GFE was the best one I experienced. She said she was from Potugal and she may be in her early 30's and in 6 or 7 rating. I couldn't remember her name as It was my amature time in saunas. Sirioja helped me a lot afterwards. He he.

Regards.[/QUOTE]I am not sure about sympathetic, but I do get great service from stunners, and this is all I care and let say even they may not be nice attitude in room, I fuck them like Pierre woodman anyways, so it is all good LOL!

But I must say, all FKK girls, stunners or non stunners are very decent people, even in harsh environment of FKK, they remained nice and I do respect them for that! In 12 years in FKK, I never met one evil one! Only one not bad, not up to my standard session in 12 years! My hat off to FKK working girls for their good spirit even in harsh situation of FKK and life!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2560251]When did I say Jennifer Laurence is not a stunner LOL! It is Lopez who was a stunner, but still then is not my top type though she still was a stunner to me. But Jenniffer Laurence is very much direction of stunner to my taste yes, but I like more Margot Robbie maybe. Put it this way, my stunner taste is very much classic taste of general good taste opinion, but I also like mixed blood exotic stunner, like half Arab, half white etc which we get sometimes in Germany![/QUOTE]

Good to hear that you do not need an eye surgery MrHo, LOL Your idea of a stunner is quite similar to mine.

Jennifer Lawrence resembles the hungarian Porn Star Kiara Lord, it is only that Kiara Lord is quite short and her eyes are not blue like Jennifer Lawrence.

Kiara Lord has travelled to Japan A few times to make a JAV video. She already has quite reasonable number JAV videos with Japanese male pornstars such as Ryo Sawai in the past. So you might get her in Japan at the right time.

But I fully believe you could get her in Hungary if you look for it.