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Ouch Me,
Durex N11 are ever lasting. None ever broke when I used them - and I used up a lot by now:). I always use lube as well, just to be sure.
Hep B and C are sexualy contractable. Both badly fuck up your liver and that is bad news. Shots to protect you from Hep A+B are available. Rubbers keep both Hep B and C out.
If you happen to make a squirter with a nasty infection cum you could be in trouble and catch it too:(. Solution: Make sure she doesn't cum:D!
<<On the food issue - I've never gotten even slightly ill in Asia. The food is so much better! Whenever I come back to the US I get a lot of digestive problems from stomach aches to diarhea. The food here is much, much less clean, and certainly a lot more processed and worse for you than in Thailand.>>
I've had just the opposite experience. Three trips to Thailand and every time I get some kind of intestinal infection. I'm not sure what causes it, I'm careful to only drink bottled water and no ice in my drinks but 3 times I've been sick accomanied by a fever. Antibiotics cleared it up but I still wasn't feeling good for about a week.
In spite of this problem I can't wait to go back again.
Gwailo
Food in Thailand seems OK to me (never got sick - and I eat "pet pet") - but I sure got food poisoning in June in Cambodia. I think next time I won't have lobster. (on the beach)
Yeah, stay clear of shellfish in general. Even if you don't catch any of the myriad nasties they host (salmonella, ciguatera, e coli, dinoflagellates), you still might find yourself with just about the worst case of the shits you can imagine. After a prawn soup in Hua Hin, I BARELY made it back to my hotel before that meal exploded out the other end. I was fine immediately thereafter, but it was very painful and unpleasant.
Keep in mind that places like Chaweng, Phuket and Hua Hin are situated in shallow, warm bodies of water with slow currents. Given the amount of agricultural runoff from upland farms and the coliform bacteria from treated sewage that pretty much goes directly into the Gulf and the Andaman Sea, it's a matter of time before those shrimp come back to haunt you. Generally speaking, the fish is all right since its caught farther from land than most of the shellfish, and they aren't bottom feeders.
I can agree with that. Or can I? The only places I'll eat that stuff is at five star resorts, but I still came down with a mild case or the poos. But then how can I turn down another sea food platter? Mine wasn't painful, I just became a little more frequent for a few days, and it wasn't severe enough to interfere with my drinking schedule. I did, however, get a littler nervous one night when an 800 baht/long time girl was licking my ass.
But seriously, who knows where I got it from? Was it from that glass of water that girly boy gave me that morning? Was it from drinking singha out of cans? Was it the bugs in the slurpy machine at 7-11?
I'm more interested in how my p.p. turned a painful pink colour at the end and started dripping puss when I was using dubes the whole time. Anyway, if you come down with the clap, I recommend neurofen (extra strong) till the antibiotics kick in. You won't even feel it. Also, make you sure you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] standing up or it burns.
I mean, all you can do is use rubbers, and drink bottled water, (and stay away from shellfish I guess). But lets be realistic, if you want to hang out in the jungle, you're at risk, and you'll just have to cross your fingers.
Anyone try dipping their cock in vodka after a session? I heard it works well in eastern europe.
When were you using dubes? Only with intercourse or even with BJs? You can get STDs from BJs also, such as herpes and genital warts. Damn these STDs suck. But they're here to stay.
As hard as it'll be, I'm planning on using condoms during oral sex as well as everything else, plus I don't plan on any deep kissing. I know it'll really take out the fun and spontaneity. Shit, it's going to be esp. tough when we shower and she wants to start sucking me or me to her!
Oral sex is my favorite too. Oh well. Can't take life time chances on a few hours of pleasure.
What do you mean "or me her?"
You eat out Bangkok *****s? That's disgusting.
Stinky
"Anyone try dipping their cock in vodka after a session?"
That question brings back very old memories. Long ago my condom once broke, so I pulled out immediately and looked out for some desinfection. Nothing else handy but a bottle of Mekhong. Put it over my best part and I can tell you it fucking burns. :( Avoid it if possible. Since that time I always carry some Betaisodonna with me.
Hi Gentlemen,
Which are the diseases we can take with a not-covered bj? I would like to know your points of view. Cause i hear for example risk about herpes,but how much is this risk? Do you think or it is scientific risk that also doctors agree? Or better how many girls have herpes in mouth? My little opinion is very high risk for every disease in sex without rubber,but very little risk with not-covered bj,but probably i am a little ignorant about it,so i am here to learn what i dont know or what i know wrong. Thanks all!
The traveller,
Please what is "betaisodonna"?
Lukasek,
I believe you mean what diseases and the risks of BJs w/o a condom? Well, many of course, especially in Thailand. I recently read in LOS travel guide that they adjust their population stats some %age due to mortality rates from AIDS! And how accurate do you think Thai health stats are going to be? The stats they have are just the reported or known cases. There's probably hundreds more that are unreported! Yikes!
The thing with most STDs is you usually don't see it with your naked eyes (or dicks). So, if you inspect the BGs mouth before she blows you and it looks clear, you're fooling yourself. By the time herpes makes itself visible in their mouth with those little bumpy protrusions, she's REALLY infected. She could be infected and not show those bumps yet, they're just not visible, but still very contagious. AND the fucked up thing with herpes is its not curable, you just itch, have burning [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], and occasional discharges for the rest of your life. THAT SUCKS!
AND to top it off, it is still possible to contract HIV via oral sex, just not as likely as through intercourse. HIV only needs a portal of entry, like a membrane or broken skin. Her mouth is a perfect breeding ground for lots of germs...warm, moist, dark. Just like a girls little wet pussy.
Then there's also HPV. It's really not so bad for us men. We'll get little bumps on our Joes, nothing painful. But when we screw a girl, she gets infected, she'll likely only find out if she has a + pap smear, has to get the lesion or growth frozen or cauterized, but remains at higher risk for cervical cancer and urinary tract infections. So, if you get it, carry it back to your unsuspecting girlfriend or wife (or future gf/wife, what will you tell her?), then you and her are doomed. HPV also has no cure, just remission as with herpes.
So, cover up out there. Think with the head on your shoulders, not the one in the pants. It makes no sense to me to risk your lifetime for a few hours of pleasure!!!!
Wow, so many of the BGs and plenty of porn stars are walking germ specimens. Yikes again.
Holy shit, thats scary stuff.
Does that answer your questions?
Betadyne (or betadine) a modified iodine that doesn't "burn" when applied. Highly effective antiseptic, though - but it DOES stain brown
Hep C, while theoretically possible to get sexually is really not transmitted that way. It is almost entirely transmitted via blood. Hence it's why so many IVDA get it. All the strains of Hepatitis are pretty different. There are like 7 of them out there now (maybe more since I last checked).
Lukasek. It's difficult to assign absolute risk. The best we are doing is a poor guess. There are diseases that are relatively hard to get, esp by a bj. You can get oral to genital transmission of Herpes and in fact it has been proven that viral shedding occurs even when a person doesn't have symptoms (although the greatest chance occurs when s/he has those little clear bumps that are breaking with rich viral juice).
HOWEVER, it is also true that unless you are a monk, you have probably been exposed to Herpes multiple times. You kissing a chick, you going down on a chick, she going down on you, etc etc. Once you get it, you can't get rid of it.
Gonorrhea , you are not going to get going down unless you are already immunocompromised. Almost every case of oropharyngeal gonorrhea (of the throat) is due to someone already having a weakened immune system (like AIDS).
Genital warts largely transmitted by genital to genital contact, although it can be spread by other skin contact. You can get molluscum on your face, arms, you name it, but I've never seen it anywhere but the groin. You have to burn those fuckers off or use a chemical like Podophyllin. There is a new one called Aldara (I believe) that activates your own immune system to kill the viri. Molluscum unlike Herpes will go away on it's own, but it might take YEARS (who wants to wait?).
The reason being is that your oral mucosa is designed to fight infection. Easy to see why, no? There are cellular components present in your mouth that don't exist anywhere else. So unless you have a break, or really bad gum disease the chances are low. There is always a risk, no one can say never, but for me, I just dont enjoy a BJ with a rubber and with certain chicks I like DATY too much (and they do too) to give it up.
The sum total of STD's I think I ever had was one. I had some questionable burning after one trip where I stupidly boned like three chicks sans condom. I didn't go in for the smear. Just did the Cipro/Azithro combo (although some strains of Gon in Asia are Cipro resistant) and it went away. If I am banging away too much for too long I just get some local irritation that is not infectious.
The lavage method of Betadine, Alcohol whatever I sort of pooh-poohed but a microbiologist buddy of mine turned my thinking around on that a bit. But really dipping your wick only gets part of the outer urethra (the inner part of your crank). You really need to get something like a small bulb syringe and squirt that stuff up and let it dribble out. I'm not prepared to go through that, but there are some dudes that do.
Anything really that lowers your viral/bacterial 'load' (amount of whatever nasty you are exposed to) lowers your risk. Therefore even doing something like pissing after sex is not all that unreasonable, but will never afford you the protection of a condom.
Joe, not to be antagonistic, but the real reason Condoms are not 100% are almost all due to breakage. The people either had them and didn't use them or kept boning once they broke. Maybe that's what you meant and I'm sorry if I misunderstood (and if you don't know what I'm referring to, sorry I went back a few pages as I check in here every few months).
Again you get back to viral/bactierial load. While there are small amounts of viri/bacteria that can get through a condom (and it's very small) with very vigorous activity your exposure is so low that your chances are greatly reduced. Not zero but pretty damn close.
And before someone starts in on that old chestnut 'but the HIV virus is smaller than the latex pores' let me lay that one in the intellectual grave it deserves. HIV does not infect solo. It has to piggyback on other cells to infect you and these are far larger than the latex pores.
If you want to wrap yourself in latex you will probably have a safe time. A great time? No, but a safe one.
I think each one of us should make an educated guess (and educated means doing a lot more research than asking your buds on WSG what they think!!). For me, I am going to engage mostly in covered sex (unless I check it out first), kissing , DATY etc. There are just some acts that by their absence really kill the intimacy, which is why I travel 24 hours in a plane instead of banging my local streetwalker.
Now, anal rimming. Ugh. Ditto for anal sex. Nasty shit, literally. Some of the worst, most drug resistant bacteria reside up your ass. It's why when you get shot or stabbed in the gut it's not the wound that kills you, it's all the horrible bacteria that spill into your gut.
One post about Condom breakage. The real reason most condoms break is not the thinness of the condom.
The mortal enemies of condoms are time, heat and friction (light also but how they are packaged takes care of that). Usually dudes that have condoms break have not stored them properly (the worst example being the poor sap that stores one in his wallet 'just in case' ). If you want to keep them fresh, keep them cool.
The other thing is, use lube if she's not juiced up. I haven't had a condom break in freaking years, and the time I remember I was with a particularly unenthusiastic partner and I sort of remember just banging away. I was thinking "damn, this chick is dry!!" and bam, condom broke.
I also pretty much buy my supply of condoms for my trip and then buy about half again what I think I'll need. I really have trouble with them and about the only ones that work for me are made of polyurethane (like Trojan Supra). That stuff blows latex away. I think it has more to do with how it transmits heat than how thin it is, although obviously thickness has a good deal to do with heat transmission as well.
One of the best tips I heard was when someone recommended putting a drop of lube in the tip of the condom before you put it on. Damn, that really helps too!!
I remember one sad day when I ran out of jimmies in Pattaya 3 freaking days before I was set to leave. Here I am begging for a good condom from my fellow travellers. Now I just don't like the selection of condoms in Thailand (about as varied as the selection of beer there). So imagine my surprise when a marine gave me one of the govt issued ones. Fucking a, they REALLY don't like those guys to enjoy sex do they? I would have gotten more sensation by wrapping a Michelin around my crank.
Poobah, I agree wholeheartedly that the reasons condoms are not 100% is because of breakage (or other forms of incorrect usage.) That was, in fact, precisely my point.
And like you I've not had a condom break for years, and I use the precise approach you do. I'd go further and say that even if you've got a condom that's been stored incorrectly, the right kind and amount of lube (meaning water-based) will probably still keep it from breaking.