Makati

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1267543]Firebird,

If you are not familiar with Malate the best way to find Manila Bay Cafe is to get in a taxi and tell the driver "Hyatt Hotel Malate". When the taxi arrives at the hotel get out and ask the security doorman "where is Manila Bay Cafe" and he will point you in the right direction. MBC is located two blocks from the Hyatt and use caution while walking.[/QUOTE]I think it's easier to ask a taxi driver "Malate?" and if he says yes, tell him LA Cafe and let him take you there. If there is a driver who doesn't know LA Cafe, then get another driver, but I've never had that experience. I don't think Manila Bay Cafe has sunk in yet, but guess eventually it will.

[QUOTE=Key Master;1267631]I think it's easier to ask a taxi driver "Malate?" and if he says yes, tell him LA Cafe and let him take you there. If there is a driver who doesn't know LA Cafe, then get another driver, but I've never had that experience. I don't think Manila Bay Cafe has sunk in yet, but guess eventually it will.[/QUOTE]Why not "Ermita", thats where its located.

Gentlemen:

Many thanks to all those that provided location information concerning MBC.

Now final question. And I want to mention that I always provide "extra" if the service is deserving. But not to upset the "economy" and overpay, what is the norm for ST and LT?

LT about Php 3, 000 to 4, 000. Too high? Too low?

Thanks. Firebird

[QUOTE=Firebird; 1267698]Gentlemen:

Many thanks to all those that provided location information concerning MBC.

Now final question. And I want to mention that I always provide "extra" if the service is deserving. But not to upset the "economy" and overpay, what is the norm for ST and LT?

LT about Php 3, 000 to 4, 000. Too high? Too low?

Thanks. Firebird[/QUOTE]At MBC way too high. RTFF. And BTW MBC is nowhere near Makati It would behoove you to do some simple research on this website as it is clear that you are financially and geographically lost.

[QUOTE=Firebird; 1267698]Gentlemen:

Many thanks to all those that provided location information concerning MBC.

Now final question. And I want to mention that I always provide "extra" if the service is deserving. But not to upset the "economy" and overpay, what is the norm for ST and LT?

LT about Php 3, 000 to 4, 000. Too high? Too low?

Thanks. Firebird[/QUOTE]Sorry you had to get such an unfriendly response-especially since you have over 400 posts, perhaps a simple answer would have been nice. Also seems you did do some reading- how horrid you missed some information. How nice if guys would just answer a simple question and / or STFU.

As was implied, MBC is fairly far in Emrita, a long cab ride. ST should be about 1000-1500, depending on the quality of the women and your negotiating skills, and whether or not she is hard core or not. Long time 1500-2000. Some people claim they get for less there, but for what quality, I am not sure. Best at MBC to do some good negotiation and interviewing, and spend some with the your possible "dance" partner, as there are a lot of sharks there. As you mentioned, tips can be used as performance incentives.

Have a great time.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1267701]At MBC way too high. RTFF. And BTW MBC is nowhere near Makati It would behoove you to do some simple research on this website as it is clear that you are financially and geographically lost.[/QUOTE]Slippery many thanks for your profound although immature reply. Before I do ANY travel. To China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Russia, Mexico, Japan, Singapore, Dubai, Germany, UK. To name only a few. I DO RTFF. As you so nicely sugested. But sometimes the info is not there or is may be incomplete. As far as $$$$ far from financially lost! If you cannot provide positive assistance and come out with some helpful, well you figure it out.

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1267718]Sorry you had to get such an unfriendly response-especially since you have over 400 posts, perhaps a simple answer would have been nice. Also seems you did do some reading- how horrid you missed some information. How nice if guys would just answer a simple question and / or STFU.

As was implied, MBC is fairly far in Emrita, a long cab ride. ST should be about 1000-1500, depending on the quality of the women and your negotiating skills, and whether or not she is hard core or not. Long time 1500-2000. Some people claim they get for less there, but for what quality, I am not sure. Best at MBC to do some good negotiation and interviewing, and spend some with the your possible "dance" partner, as there are a lot of sharks there. As you mentioned, tips can be used as performance incentives.

Have a great time.[/QUOTE]Psychman. Many thanks for your feedback. I am fully familiar with Havana and the bars in Burgos. Just wanted to double check to make sure the payment was fair. I always stay in the New World hotel so perhaps a venture to EDSA would be something new and closer than MBC. Stay safe and you too enjoy

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1267673]Why not "Ermita", thats where its located.[/QUOTE]Do the taxi driver's actually know the difference between Malate and Ermita? If you're staying at the Hyatt or Executive it's Malate. You walk two blocks or less and you're in Ermita, does it really matter? Would you know you are in a different district? The street names remain the same. The point to the post was to get to MBC and I gave my way of getting there with taxi drivers. None of them have corrected me that it was actually in Ermita or take me to the wrong place.

[QUOTE=Key Master;1267787]Do the taxi driver's actually know the difference between Malate and Ermita? If you're staying at the Hyatt or Executive it's Malate. You walk two blocks or less and you're in Ermita, does it really matter? Would you know you are in a different district? The street names remain the same. The point to the post was to get to MBC and I gave my way of getting there with taxi drivers. None of them have corrected me that it was actually in Ermita or take me to the wrong place.[/QUOTE]Why walk two blocks, infested by street scammers? Just tell taxi driver : MBC La Cafe, M. H. Del Pilar St, Ermita, corner Romero Salas St. Taxi stops, open door, two steps and your inside MBC.

Safe and convenient.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1267725]Slippery many thanks for your profound although immature reply. Before I do ANY travel. To China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Russia, Mexico, Japan, Singapore, Dubai, Germany, UK. To name only a few. I DO RTFF. As you so nicely sugested. But sometimes the info is not there or is may be incomplete. As far as $$$$ far from financially lost! If you cannot provide positive assistance and come out with some helpful, well you figure it out.[/QUOTE]Geez, are we a bit thin skinned? The answers to your very fundamental questions are right here on this forum. There are even maps available here and on general travel websites. The owner of this website permits the use of the acronym RTFF for a reason. Think about it. This forum is replete with answers to your quesitons. Who held your hand in those other countries?

Thanks Mc Don, you seem like a very agreeable fellow. Thanks for your insights. I'll keep posting as I travel around our earthly marble (Athens in May) , but given how passionate our fellow mongers feel about their choices, I think it would be prudent for me to just go out and experience our wonderful tropical paradise and keep my opinions to myself for a while.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1267372]Your posts makes more sense now. Like RK suggested putting MBC and Burgos in the same basket is really not right price wise or quality wise. I think again you are doing the same thing but on the other side of the spectrum now, what you pay in Classmates or Pegasus for ST is what you would pay in some Burgos bars for LT. Same goes with Entertainment Asia once you account for all the silly tips and charges that you have to pay to everyone there.

I find also preferences are very different between the locals and the tourists. You may prefer ST because you have other things to do that evening or a wife / gf to go back to but many of us prefer long time which makes Classmates or Pegasus not really an option. To me just the tough of being stuck in traffic from Makati to QC turns me off but even at times when I am in QC again I find that ST is really not what I crave. This is personal preference.

I am sure because of your background you are treated different to us that have non Filipino blood. One of my good Filipino mates in Aus few times while being in Manila together has pointed me in the right direction and show me places that I would have never know that they existed but at the end of the day he prefers for each of us to monger alone due to price difference and similar to you his preference for ST. He is after all staying with his family that he hasn't seen and uses me as an excuse to get out and "show me the sites" for few hours. I prefer that too to be honest. I have heard plenty of stories in AC where mixed police patrols have been involved in busts and in many bars once they see a Filipino and expat together the mood quickly changes.

Good to have you on this board perhaps you can share some intel on places that haven't been mentioned here. I am sure we would all love to know where the local crowd goes to get their thrills and what prices you pay.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Slippery;1267919]Geez, are we a bit thin skinned? The answers to your very fundamental questions are right here on this forum. There are even maps available here and on general travel websites. The owner of this website permits the use of the acronym RTFF for a reason. Think about it. This forum is replete with answers to your quesitons. Who held your hand in those other countries?[/QUOTE]Slippery. I have been mongering for over 20 years. No need for "hand holding". But other than no need for further reply. I wish you well.

[QUOTE=Manta Ray; 1265631]The mamasan told me that the bar fine is 2000P if the customer has already bought the gal a couple of drinks, but higher if he wants to bar fine a girl without first popping for a drink or two.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]That is because most of the old Flamingo crew is now at Bandido including Mommie Emmie. I wouldn't be now surprised if Bandido became the #1 bar on P. Burgos as was the Flamingo for many years. In fact, one of my Makati regulars, who was a Flamingo girl for 3 years, is considering going back to work, this time at Bandido. The Flamingo was the best bar I ever frequented in my 10+ years coming to the Phils.

I wanted to go to the ringside bar, but had some time on my hands so went next door to High Heels and met Chelsea. Young hot no babies so we went for ST before ringside. They said it was 4000 but I knew that was too high. I said ok at 3000 (maybe high, but she is small and young). Anyway after sex she said that she didn't get any of te bar fine and would I give her 2000. I said no. I have her 500. Just wanted to check that this was bull and try we're just trying to get more money.

To be fair I saw nothing else noteworthy on Bugeos (9pm)

[QUOTE=GosiwonBusan; 1269860]I wanted to go to the ringside bar, but had some time on my hands so went next door to High Heels and met Chelsea. Young hot no babies so we went for ST before ringside. They said it was 4000 but I knew that was too high. I said ok at 3000 (maybe high, but she is small and young). Anyway after sex she said that she didn't get any of te bar fine and would I give her 2000. I said no. I have her 500. Just wanted to check that this was bull and try we're just trying to get more money.

To be fair I saw nothing else noteworthy on Bugeos (9pm) [/QUOTE]I don't know what the split is but 2000p for long time on burgos for a tip is sort of normal. You probably shortchanged her.