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Hi guys,
I am reading a fascinating book called "Sex Work and the City:
The Social Geography of Health and Safety in Tijuana, Mexico" by Yasmina Katsulis.
I think it's a must-read for anyone interested in the subject - it is a well-conducted research.
[quote=hornytraveler]this is what really happened.
more than 200 different le including federals , municipals and immigration officials raided the zona norte last friday night.
they were looking for **** minors, drug sale and foreigners working in the clubs. in the process they were caught on camera touching grabbing the dancers from hk which you can see in youtube, there are two bar girls who
filed charges against the federal police "good luck" on this one!
they said the police went thru the girls room and stole all the money from them about $900 dollars from one girl and another $1800 form the other girl, she also said she worked two weeks to earn $1800, and the dough was for her 5 kids back home.
there is also a report about money taken from clients "mongers"
funny i had a few foreigners in ab before mostly from venezuela and colombia.[/quote]
where did you get this information?
[quote=libra 7474]hi guys,
i am reading a fascinating book called "sex work and the city:
the social geography of health and safety in tijuana, mexico" by yasmina katsulis.
i think it's a must-read for anyone interested in the subject - it is a well-conducted research.[/quote]
care to share some of the highlights?
Efjayel,
I am posting the link that might give you more insight on what the book is about and some of the topics it discusses. The book is pretty sizable and well researched, and I would give an injustice to the author to try to summarize it in several insights; plus I am still reading it
[url]https://www.utexas.Edu/utpress/excerpts/exkatsex.html[/url]
By the way, I found it at the local college libray by sheer accident, and I am sure that you can find a copy this way, too. I am not a student, but college libraries allow anyone to check their materials out.
Thanks for the link Libra, I'll save my $50 and get a BBBJ from a SW
Thank you, gentlemen, I am always happy to help.
I can also mention that one of the main things I learned from the book is that a working girl's STD status, in particular HIV, isn't connected much to her work but to her behavior in her leisure time. Especially, the book's findings showed that women who use drugs in their off-time (whether IV or smoking meth etc.) are at much higher risk. So please ask for health cards and chat up a girl a little to find out more about her. It could help you avoid life of pain and suffering.
I talked with customers, professionals, researchers, and policymakers—but I collected the most extensive data from talking with sex workers themselves. In all, I carried out 251 formal interviews with sex workers, 88 of whom worked legally (86 females, 2 transgendered females), and 160 of whom worked illegally (107 females, 14 transgendered females, 42 males).
The survey data presented are not representative of the entire population of sex workers in Tijuana. However, these data allowed me to capture the diversity of occupational experiences and practices among sex workers in Tijuana and to make comparisons among workers based on legal status, gender, and sexual orientation. This is highly important because there are no comprehensive or comparative studies on the sex industry in Tijuana. In my study, I found the ratio of those working illegally to those working legally to be approximately two to one. The actual proportion of workers in each sector is unknown. As mentioned previously, because this study started in a clinical setting with legal workers, the number of those working legally is not representative of the total number out in the real world.
[url]https://www.utexas.edu/utpress/excerpts/exkatsex.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Dornyone]Thanks for the link Libra, I'll save my $50 and get a BBBJ from a SW[/QUOTE]
[url]http://books.google.com/books/utexaspress?id=LG0ddgALFAsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ViewAPI[/url]
Chapter 5 indicates the manager having the cards for health inspectors. Has anyone seen a TJ Health Card of HK, AB, CC or SW chica recently without going to the manager's office?
Clarification request:
S7
[QUOTE=Libra 7474]Thank you, gentlemen, I am always happy to help.
I can also mention that one of the main things I learned from the book is that a working girl's STD status, in particular HIV, isn't connected much to her work but to her behavior in her leisure time. Especially, the book's findings showed that women who use drugs in their off-time (whether IV or smoking meth etc.) are at much higher risk. So please ask for health cards and chat up a girl a little to find out more about her. It could help you avoid life of pain and suffering.[/QUOTE]
Can you scan the tables & figures with credit in jpeg format? Thx. S7
[QUOTE=Libra 7474]Efjayel,
I am posting the link that might give you more insight on what the book is about and some of the topics it discusses. The book is pretty sizable and well researched, and I would give an injustice to the author to try to summarize it in several insights; plus I am still reading it
[url]https://www.utexas.Edu/utpress/excerpts/exkatsex.html[/url]
By the way, I found it at the local college libray by sheer accident, and I am sure that you can find a copy this way, too. I am not a student, but college libraries allow anyone to check their materials out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sound7][url]http://books.google.com/books/utexaspress?id=LG0ddgALFAsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ViewAPI[/url]
Chapter 5 indicates the manager having the cards for health inspectors. Has anyone seen a TJ Health Card of HK, AB, CC or SW chica recently without going to the manager's office?
Clarification request:
S7[/QUOTE]
My experience in HK is that the girls do not carry their cards. I assumed that management held them. I accompanied one, a while back, to get her exam and renewal. Afterwards, she gave the card back to whoever was in charge. I've also seen a HK doorman checking girls in at the beginning of their shift. He had a whole thick stack of health cards.
OTOH, I've had chicas in CC pull them out of their purse.
Jackson should make me an honorary senior member for finding this Tijuana research and sharing the link! :)
[QUOTE=Sound7][url]http://books.google.com/books/utexaspress?id=LG0ddgALFAsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ViewAPI[/url]
Chapter 5 indicates the manager having the cards for health inspectors. Has anyone seen a TJ Health Card of HK, AB, CC or SW chica recently without going to the manager's office?
Clarification request:
S7[/QUOTE]I always ask SWs for health cards, and generally they share with no problem, especially since I let them know that no card, no business. Once or twice a girl would actually run up to her room and bring a card down for me to look at. Sometimes the girls act coy and dont show it all siting the privacy issues. Several times I also got an attitude from a SW with "why are you asking, you are gonna use a condom anyways, so no card, no problem", but I leave immediately.
How do the girls determine who works the alley and who works the clubs.
It can not be by just looks.
I remember one sw said she had a 6 month contract a couple of years ago.
Is it recruiting with a contract and then the girls are stuck outside ?
Is it age or legal status?
Is it a waiting list for the clubs ?
Seems like CC could have brought some girls in from the cold in the winter.
CC needs chicas to get customers.
My guess the monthly update is reflected on the TJ Health Card some how. Request to see TJ Health card of the provider might cause a stir since high percentage of the providers risk working without it according to 2001 TJ sex practice survey.
[QUOTE=Phordphan]My experience in HK is that the girls do not carry their cards. I assumed that management held them. I accompanied one, a while back, to get her exam and renewal. Afterwards, she gave the card back to whoever was in charge. I've also seen a HK doorman checking girls in at the beginning of their shift. He had a whole thick stack of health cards.
OTOH, I've had chicas in CC pull them out of their purse.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ninguno Especial]I agree and have a passport card but I see guys without passports going through no problem, no secondary. This was as recent as yesterday.
Come on down guys, passport or not. They are not enforcing it for shit yet.[/QUOTE]
Yep I didn't have my passport both times and they just said "bring it next time". I will get a card just because I don't want to risk loosing my actual passport.
[QUOTE=Sgt Perv]How do the girls determine who works the alley and who works the clubs.
It can not be by just looks.
I remember one sw said she had a 6 month contract a couple of years ago.
Is it recruiting with a contract and then the girls are stuck outside ?
Is it age or legal status?
Is it a waiting list for the clubs ?
Seems like CC could have brought some girls in from the cold in the winter.
CC needs chicas to get customers.[/QUOTE]
I don't know. But interesting that you brought this up cause I've asked a few bar girls if they started on the street since I figured they all start at the bottom as SW. But surprisingly they all said they started in the bars. One told me she started at Chicago Club but got penalized cause she refused to work over time so she left and joined AB. She then moved to HK cause AB had too much competition.
Another girl was a Mexican-American girl that surprisingly lived near me about ten years ago. She then moved to Italy with a sugar daddy but when that finished, she ended up in TJ where she started in HK and has been there ever since.
An AB girl told me she entered prostitution because her friend used to do it and made good money working at AB. So she decided to do it as well. She applied for AB and was accepted.
A girl from Tropical Bar told me she had only been working there for about a week. She answered an AD in a newspaper and got the job.
I've asked many other bar girls and they all had similar stories but apparently none of them started on the street. Maybe the street girls preffer the street or maybe they are stuck there cause their pimps(the ones that have them) don't want to share their profits with the bars and decide to keep them on the street.