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[QUOTE=Onnazuki] I know that most Japanese men don't like big girls; they're more into slender chicks. If I'm correct about the fact that most Japanese men don't like big hooters, I'm guessing these establishments are cool with gaijin.Onnazuki[/QUOTE]I don't think J guys are any different from western men. Most like big titties on slender girls (check out any idol mag or AV gal and the answer is obvious).Of course big tits on a big girl might be intimidating to a smaller J guy who is just 165cm/55kg, so in this respect if you are some "giant" westerner you may find the girl's bodytype more suitable than a J-guy. This is even more true with J-women over 170cm when it comes to Nampa...no woman wants to hang with a guy shorter than her.

[QUOTE=Inakajin]Two hour sessions at soaplands? Not those I'm familiar with in both northern Japan and in Kyushu. Most have two options--50 minutes and 70 minutes.[/QUOTE]Inaka, I think I see the issue.You're talking about the sort of "soapland" found in garden variety red light districts.We've been talking about the Yoshiwara variety.Apples and oranges, my friend. In Yoshiwara, the standard course is either 110 minutes or 120 minutes, you are treated like royalty, and privacy isn't an issue, as with most places you are picked up by a driver.

[QUOTE=Loveacpi]Stayed at the Shinagawa Prince for the last 2 nights. Got out around the area tonight. [/QUOTE]If you're in Shinagawa, get outcall. There aren't any legitimate providers in the area that take foreigners. Or, of course, you can always hope onto the Yamanote line, and Gotanda, Ebisu, Shinjuku, and Ikebukuro are all within a short train ride in one direction, or Shinbashi, Ueno, or Sugamo in the other.

I really didn't want this to become homer vs nino. Hopefully, no offense. Without the ability to delve into the Japanese psyche, it's probably difficult to understand why Japanese men actually care about the difference and pay so much for a soapland experience. I've had it explained multiple times to me by my Japanese co-workers and friends. Basically, they tell me, "It's a Japanese thing, OK?" That explains why they spend outrageous amount of money at hostess bars and don't even get to touch the hostesses. That concept just blows me away.[QUOTE=Lion]I think Homer is pretty much on here. Some DH girls hae the skills, but many are part-timers who are really amateurs looking for a few yen. High class soap girls will have reps for great skills and spend more time on cleaning (and inspecting no doubt). They probably have far fewer customers given the sessions are always 2 hours, so the chances of catching something are reduced.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Loveacpi]Stayed at the Shinagawa Prince for the last 2 nights. Got out around the area tonight. Near the McDonalds, across from Shinagawa Station, I was approached by a rather undesirable, bleached blonde, chubby, middle-aged, Japanese, saying, "sexy massage?". For research purposes only, as I don't think I would ever drink enough to go with her, I asked how much? "30,000 for good sexy massage". I heard her asking "how much you offer?" as I was walking away.I saw a few more in her catagory, plus 2 or 3 younger, better looking ones, that seemed to be hanging out, as I saw them during several passes thru over about a 2 hour period. Unfortunately, don't think the younger ones go for westerners, as I could not get their attention.[/QUOTE]I live near Shinagawa Prince Hotel, and every time I go there I get accosted by a couple of butt-ugly Chinese hookers around there. (Triggering my fight or flight reflex..). Also, there are a couple of Russian blondes around; sometimes I see them at the bar of the "TG Friday" restaurant across the street, where they are very happy to make eye contact.Never seen anything young and pretty in the area. Just my anectdotal 2 Yen worth...

[QUOTE=Onnazuki]I'm sure I'm not the only one who's seen this, but Tokyotopless.com advertises several big tit specialty places. I'm not one for big tits, unless they're on a cute Japanese girl! Couple of questions:1. Prices seem to be relatively cheap for something so exotic. Avg 16000/60min, 20000/80min, and so on. I know that most Japanese men don't like big girls; they're more into slender chicks. Is that why the prices are not so high? Or is the service not so good? I know the avg prices aren't really cheap, it's just that I'd expect something more for something so rare; or maybe that's just my gaijin big tit infatuation thinking.2. Has anyone been to one of these places? Are they all gaijin-friendly? If I'm correct about the fact that most Japanese men don't like big hooters, I'm guessing these establishments are cool with gaijin.Onnazuki[/QUOTE]I looked at several of those sites advertised there and some are soaps, some are DH. Some have lower prices for members, some charge for you to choose the woman, but none of them I saw listed gaijin in their prohibited lists, so just calling and asking to meet one of the girls would be the best way to find out if they object to gaijin. If your simply Japanese is quite good and you don't have to say too much, they may not even notice.When I call a DH shop, I simply greet them then say something like "Sumimasen ga kyou no gogo ______san ni aitaindesukedo." Or "Sumimasen ga kyou no gogo ______san ga shukkin dekiru deshouka."If they say she's not working today (Ahh, kyou ha yasumi desu.) or some such thing, I always have a second and third choice. "Sore de ha_____san ha ii deshou ka." Once they say OK, I just say "Yokatta. ___ ji goro (about 20 minutes before I want to meet her) hoteru chekkin shite kara mata denwa shimasu ne." Then say good bye with "Yoroshiku onegai shimasu." Unless they start rattling off something you can't understand (which only happens to me about 1 in 10 times), it doesn't need to be more complicated then that.Once you reach the hotel and call again, you can say something like "Konnichiha. _____san ni aitai mono desu. Ima _______ hoteru de matte imasu. Heya bango ha ______ desu. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu."In 80-90% of my expereinces, that's all the Japanese I've needed to get the date. Of course, once the woman arrives, you may need to have a bit better Japanese skills, but not always.

[QUOTE=Inakajin]When I call a DH shop, I simply greet them then say something like "Sumimasen ga kyou no gogo ______san ni aitaindesukedo." Or "Sumimasen ga kyou no gogo ______san ga shukkin dekiru deshouka."If they say she's not working today (Ahh, kyou ha yasumi desu.) or some such thing, I always have a second and third choice. "Sore de ha_____san ha ii deshou ka." Once they say OK, I just say "Yokatta. ___ ji goro (about 20 minutes before I want to meet her) hoteru chekkin shite kara mata denwa shimasu ne." Then say good bye with "Yoroshiku onegai shimasu." Unless they start rattling off something you can't understand (which only happens to me about 1 in 10 times), it doesn't need to be more complicated then that.Once you reach the hotel and call again, you can say something like "Konnichiha. _____san ni aitai mono desu. Ima _______ hoteru de matte imasu. Heya bango ha ______ desu. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu."[/QUOTE]Inaka-kun, thanks for the info! Regarding the procedure for calling a DH, and for that matter going into any establishment, what's the usual hyougen (phrase) for requesting service?As I'm sure you know, there are particular phrases used for requesting service in Japan. For example, if I need a room at a hotel I'd say in English, "Hi, one room please," or "I need a room for the night," something along those lines. One would most likely say in Japanese, "Heya onegaishimasu," or "Heya aitte-imasuka?" rather than the direct translation of the above phrases. (Of course there are some phrases for asking for a room that are direct translations, but let's not get into that). Similarly, I would imagine that one doesn't walk into a fuzoku establishment and say, in Japanese, "I'd like one girl, please," or "Is ___-chan available?" Or am I wrong?Last time I used a fashion health, I used the phrase "Saabesu-ga sasette itadakitaindesu-ga." ("Please allow me to partake in your service.") Then proceeded from there by stating which course. Is that cool or is there a particular hyougen for fuzoku?About the DH service, some of the bakunyu senmon-ten sites on Tokyotopless.com state that if you don't have a cell you can't partake in the service. If I do not have a room in advance from where to call is there any way around this?

Thanks for the useful vocabulary lessons for DeriHealth. Might try it sometime myself.Hey, all you high-rolling Tokyo punters, Okinawa Soaplands are still only 15,000 per hour, FS assured and mostly gaijin friendly. Come for the weekend and warm up from Tokyo. You'll save the cost of the plane ticket at the Naha soaps.Check the Okinawa thread for all details.SD

There is very little info on the area around Narita Airport. The last I read on the form is that there is nothing such as MP or clubs. Are there any outcall services available?I have one night to spend in a Holiday Inn at the airport. I do this several times a year and have never even felt the presence of fun pfp activities.

I have picked up an hostess bar girl at her off day. Things are worked out pretty good except condom broke in the first round and I didn't notice it on time. So, I am trying to judge my risk level. My understanding is that these girls are not really hookers, do you guys think am I under any risk other than usual neighborhood girl type?Thanks,F.

It sounds like you're talking mostly about getting a room. But you don't have to do any talking at all at most love hotels--most have a board in the lobby where you choose your room. You just push a button, then follow the arrows, flashing lights, etc. to you room. Conversely, some I've used in Tokyo have only a front counter where you can just say simply "Heya, onegaishimasu" or even just "onegaimshimasu." There's only one reason you're there.Asking for service in fashion health, pink salons, etc. also requires very little talk; they know why you're there, right? Just a simply greeting with your choice of option from the menu, or, if you want to choose a particular woman "konpanion no shashin wo misete kudasaimasenka" is about all you need to say. This is all I've ever done, and in my observation of Japanese customers, they usually keep talk to a minimum, also.For DH, just as I said, a greeting plus asking to meet a specific parnter or asking if she is available is all you need as a request. If you don't care which partner you get (or if you don't want to pay the extra ?1-2,000 many charge for you to choose, you can just tell them which course, you want: "roku juppun cousu," or "san P (3P) couse," or "roution cousu," onegaishimasu.[QUOTE=Onnazuki]Inaka-kun, thanks for the info! Regarding the procedure for calling a DH, and for that matter going into any establishment, what's the usual hyougen (phrase) for requesting service?As I'm sure you know, there are particular phrases used for requesting service in Japan. For example, if I need a room at a hotel I'd say in English, "Hi, one room please," or "I need a room for the night," something along those lines. One would most likely say in Japanese, "Heya onegaishimasu," or "Heya aitte-imasuka?" rather than the direct translation of the above phrases. (Of course there are some phrases for asking for a room that are direct translations, but let's not get into that). Similarly, I would imagine that one doesn't walk into a fuzoku establishment and say, in Japanese, "I'd like one girl, please," or "Is ___-chan available?" Or am I wrong?Last time I used a fashion health, I used the phrase "Saabesu-ga sasette itadakitaindesu-ga." ("Please allow me to partake in your service.") Then proceeded from there by stating which course. Is that cool or is there a particular hyougen for fuzoku?About the DH service, some of the bakunyu senmon-ten sites on Tokyotopless.com state that if you don't have a cell you can't partake in the service. If I do not have a room in advance from where to call is there any way around this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frankqt]I have picked up an hostess bar girl at her off day. Things are worked out pretty good except condom broke in the first round and I didn't notice it on time. So, I am trying to judge my risk level. My understanding is that these girls are not really hookers, do you guys think am I under any risk other than usual neighborhood girl type?Thanks,F.[/QUOTE]My guess is that your risk is way lower than with average Roppongi night pub pickup. And congratulation for actually making out with a hostess -- most J-guys only dream about that :-)A different issue is that most girls here are not on the pill... how did she react to the news, or did you conceal it?

[QUOTE=Inakajin]It sounds like you're talking mostly about getting a room. But you don't have to do any talking at all at most love hotels--most have a board in the lobby where you choose your room. You just push a button, then follow the arrows, flashing lights, etc. to you room. Conversely, some I've used in Tokyo have only a front counter where you can just say simply "Heya, onegaishimasu" or even just "onegaimshimasu." There's only one reason you're there.[/QUOTE]Getting is definitely not a problem, but getting out might be one... as these days more and more LH get automatized, you have deal with a machine in room, rather than pay at the front desk.So you have to find the right buttons to pay before you are let out (the machine unlocks the door...), and of course the menu is confusing and only in Japanese. A J-girl can help, of course, but if you go with a Filipina you might be out of luck...

Hi Sudsy,What is in Ebisu, Shinjuku, or Ikebukuro for a non-Japanese speaking Western guy? What were you referring to?Regards,Sake[QUOTE=Sudsy]If you're in Shinagawa, get outcall. There aren't any legitimate providers in the area that take foreigners. Or, of course, you can always hope onto the Yamanote line, and Gotanda, Ebisu, Shinjuku, and Ikebukuro are all within a short train ride in one direction, or Shinbashi, Ueno, or Sugamo in the other.[/QUOTE]

Hi Frankqt - you probably don't have much to worry about, but you should get tested at least for chlamydia and a standard STD screen. Quite simply, J-girls are probably the least informed and have among the lowest knowledgebase of their own plumbing than anywhere in the world. Ditto for the numbass gynos that treat them. I've heard and encountered numerous cases of the girls running around with a variety of bugs and the doctor's giving them the weakest, most ineffective antibiotics possible and many times just glossing over the symptoms as 'stress related'.As for pregnancy risk - use of the pill is pretty small except among highly promiscuous women. And for HIV, it does exist in Japan and is highly underreported and not generally tested for. Anyone - even on national health care has to pay a high fee to get a test. They can get low cost testing at district health centers, but rarely go because of the stigma attached.You're on the lucky side cause she's a hostess girl and hopefully more 'experienced' than your average OL or chick on the street. If she banged you on a douhan then either you dropped a ton of cash at the club or she's actually into you as a potential 'get me off the island guy' - in which case, she will try as hard as she can to get knocked up. Watch out!S.