Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1639972]Right, but why would you want to get "entrenched" in the first place. I have very little to do with local men wherever I travel in SE Asia. I won't get into an argument with taxi drivers, bouncers or anybody else. I remain above the fray. I accept the fact that I am going to pay a farang tax wherever I go and I don't give a shit. I never forget the fact that I am a visitor no matter how long my stay is and I am not Thai. I am here for just one thing, the girls, with great food and a few beautiful island beaches thrown in as a bonus. I am not looking to make friends with the local Thai "Goodfellas" or anybody else. If you are actually worried about your safety, then I think it is a good time to move and give LOS a break for a while. Take a year off in Phnom Penh, Subic, or just travel around SE Asia, then come back to Thailand with a clean slate.[/QUOTE]Wish I could do as you suggested but I'm here other than the girls but the girls is what keeps me going now I'm came here because I have a Thai family and I had no problems living with Thais. But what I've found in Pattaya the men think they have a right to step all over you like they are entitled to it. As for the motorbike taxi guy, I had left W. S. One night on my bike just going slowly when this motorbike taxi came out of no where and clipped my mirror it was only me seeing him avoided a much bigger accident. I kind of yell out while I was avoiding him and I guess he got offended for some reason. It was 2 am in the morning next thing I know he pulls up to me and starts to Muay Thai my leg, first twice three times saying "what" I was not looking for a fight he kept it up in the middle of 2nd road, finally I got pissed I chased him down while he took off like a coward. Basically pop a wheelie on top of him and bike he was shocked and started to look for the other motorbike guys to help him. I got off my bike and walk up to him with my helmet and head butted him and broke his nose. I believe because I look like Thai no one came to jump on me? I just got on my bike and left around the corner I came to my senses and took off like a bat out of hell as they say?

I stay because I am raising my son and I no longer fear for my life it is just the way it is as I noted I'm resided to it. I have the greatest respect for their Mafia but it is small time compare to where I'm from and what I've seen. In general average Thai men are cowards but I do not look for fights and I only dread one day I get kicked by a Muay Thai boxer. I've fool around in a Muay Thai gym with a friend who owns one and I ask this young guy to kick me for the fun of it and it was not funny when they know what they are doing.

As for a clean slate I tried but trouble comes my way? The only place I've been that I've felt comfortable and home is in Hong Kong where I spent every summer while I was growing up. I still have family there and they are the ones watching over me while I stay in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1639984]I imagine there is a ground zero. What is the average cost.[/QUOTE]As a rule 2 ladies cost twice as much as one lady. For example, Annie's charges 2500 baht for 2 hours inhouse with 1 lady. Two ladies will be 5000 baht. Takeout costs 5000 baht for 1 lady. You can pick her up anytime after 5 pm and she will leave the next morning. The time depends on when she has to be at work the next day (11:00 or 15:00) and how much she likes you. Again, double it with 2 ladies.

Of course there are tips on top of this. Guys argue about appropriate tips. For Annie's inhouse 500 for 1 lady is reasonable. For outcall, I'm more generous. The ladies tell me they get 2000 out of the 5000 and they spend 16 or more hours with me. If the lady is special and stays with me until after 12:00, I'll give her a very good tip. I had the good luck of having several outcalls with the famous #24. She was amazing and I used to give her 5000. As the saying goes, "Up to you. "

I'm not advocating Annie's over the other MPs. I listed them alphabetically. As Annie's is the first on the list I used it as an example. Be aware, some MPs show an 800 baht fee for 2 hours. It is understood you will give the girl 1500 baht on top of that plus a tip of a few hundred baht if you wish.

Also, if you do the threesome in house you will probably want to spend a few hundred extra baht for a VIP room, which will have a bigger bed. Not sure a threesome would work very well on the tiny beds in a standard room. FYI, Dr BJ's Nuru has fantastic VIP rooms, which are nicer than the rooms in the more economical hotels. You can find pricing policies on each MP's website.

The escort agencies will explain 2 girl pricing on their websites.

When booking 2 girls it's important to make sure the girls work well together. Many guys will pick one girl and let her pick the other.

Spent two night in Bangkok last month. Not enough time to try everything this fine city has to offer, but enough to get the highlights.

Stayed at the Marriott close to Nana's. Nice central location for walking around and in the middle of most of the action. Some of the options that I saw were.

SW everywhere, some of them right down scary. Did not partake, but I am sure they were cheap.

Massage parlors also everywhere, walked up to Annie's to see the line up. Nothing that caught my eye, mostly older or overweight. Some of the other massage parlors seem to have a better selection.

BJ bars, quite a few within walking distance. Quality of ladies not as great. But decided to have a cold one while getting my whisel clean. Kind'a fun, but would not repeat.

Devil's den, mostly older providers. Did not see anything appetizing.

Nana plaza, either bars with slightly older ladies or lady boys. For completeness sake and in the interest of research (only) had a cold one at one of the LB bars. Hard to tell that some where actually LBs, but after a few minutes of watching them dance and having them get aggressive towards me, I had enough and left. If LBs is your thing, then Nana's is the place to go.

Say Cowboy. Tow type of bars; drink bars where you go in, sit with a lady or two, invite them a drink and get a little frisky with them. No bar fine, so you are just wasting your money. Take out bars, which Baccara being the most popular one, you sit to watch the show, pick a girl, buy her a drink and chit chat and decide if you want to take her out. Pay bar fine, find a short time hotel (quite a few within a few minutes walking distance, and go have fun). Tried this twice and both times had a great time. Did not try long time as I had work the next morning, but should do it next time. The down side is that for short time is one pop, you are done. , but can pretty much take a much time as you want.

[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1639982]Why Japanese. Looks are in the eyes of the beholder, with that said, I think Japanese girls are prettier. Physically, I like their thighs and boobs are nicer. Just my taste.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying 'why Japanese? I'm saying 'why would you expect to find them in Thailand?' Japanese girls are indeed attractive, and Japanese hookers can earn good money in their own country, where frankly they rarely service other races. I just don't think any would come to Thailand for that very reason. But of course there are lots of non-p4 p Jap girls around. Good luck.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1639926]I have not lived in many places all I can tell everyone is what I have experienced in Thailand particularly in Pattaya as a Asian American born and raised in the States. While growing up I've experience lots of discrimination never in my imagination I thought I would experience the discrimination and prejudice I have experience here. It should be noted that I have met and been told by other Expat living up North that Pattaya is in no way a indication as to what Thailand is all about. I've been told I'm more Thai than some Thais and I've been told by some Thai women " I want you to be 100% Thai ".[/QUOTE]They are correct. Pattaya is not Thailand. In the same way Disneyland is not the USA. I really don't get how guys can live there. I used to enjoy it for a max of three nights when I first moved here, but now find it an unappealing circus of the worst sort. It is completely devoid of culture and has always been considered to be run by the "mafia. ".

As far as your last statement is concerned, most non-P4 P women I meet in BKK who are interested in Farang men absolutely do not want a Western man to be "100% Thai" because they don't want the constraints most Thai men place on Thai women.

Perhaps you might consider taking your kid and getting out of Pattaya. BKK for one has great schools and you can give your kiddo a much better start.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1640136]They are correct. Pattaya is not Thailand. In the same way Disneyland is not the USA. I really don't get how guys can live there. I used to enjoy it for a max of three nights when I first moved here, but now find it an unappealing circus of the worst sort. It is completely devoid of culture and has always been considered to be run by the "mafia. ".

As far as your last statement is concerned, most non-P4 P women I meet in BKK who are interested in Farang men absolutely do not want a Western man to be "100% Thai" because they don't want the constraints most Thai men place on Thai women.

Perhaps you might consider taking your kid and getting out of Pattaya. BKK for one has great schools and you can give your kiddo a much better start.[/QUOTE]I don't expect any or many of you to understand. I've concluded that any / many of you will never be asked to be 100% Thai because you are white. See the equation is this I look like them, they think I'm one of them until I speak, I'm 50% already there now all they have to do is change the other 50%, learn more Thai, I eat Thai food just like Chinese except spicy? Even shit without a sitting toilet, I've been told more than once I am American a walking ATM, it is like winning the lottery? A year ago I tagged along with a girl who has a useless Thai boyfriend who didn't come along to make a short visit to see her parents. Her parents wonder why she does not have money since she works in a popular go go? Once they met me it was love at first sight because of all the stuff I just mention to you. Shit I can see it on their face and I heard them " he looks like us and has money? ".

In the end, what I have also found many girls say they are done with Thai men, that is until they find a western guy, a sponsor, and then when they do not have to work they get the itch to be with their own kind, eat their own food, that is where the Thai guy comes in and sweet talk them into the sack. In Pattaya, I can safely say 9 out of 10 white foreigners I see with Thai women in a relationship came from P4 P, I've been told when they are with me they do not feel that way. I once had a regular who said this to me so I said great jokingly " I can butterfly " she storm off! These days I rarely take the girls to my place on the Darkside of Pattaya because they rather take me to their rooms it's like I'm the Freelancer? I've taken a number of Freelancer from the Bamboo Bar and local Esaan bars near W.S. instead of taking them all the way back to my place just go to their rooms nearby. I feel like a Thai, no A/C banging away on the floor sweating.

As for my son, he is too old now to switch to something else including BKK, that is a mistake I take responsibility for stupid me for not getting the bigger picture earlier! He is so far behind it is not funny because everything I've tried to teach him was undone by his mother.

Enjoy and Thanks for the advice!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1640146]I don't expect any or many of you to understand. I've concluded that any / many of you will never be asked to be 100% Thai because you are white. See the equation is this I look like them, they think I'm one of them until I speak, I'm 50% already there now all they have to do is change the other 50%, learn more Thai, I eat Thai food just like Chinese except spicy? Even shit without a sitting toilet, I've been told more than once I am American a walking ATM, it is like winning the lottery? A year ago I tagged along with a girl who has a useless Thai boyfriend who didn't come along to make a short visit to see her parents. Her parents wonder why she does not have money since she works in a popular go go? Once they met me it was love at first sight because of all the stuff I just mention to you. Shit I can see it on their face and I heard them " he looks like us and has money? ".

In the end, what I have also found many girls say they are done with Thai men, that is until they find a western guy, a sponsor, and then when they do not have to work they get the itch to be with their own kind, eat their own food, that is where the Thai guy comes in and sweet talk them into the sack. In Pattaya, I can safely say 9 out of 10 white foreigners I see with Thai women in a relationship came from P4 P, I've been told when they are with me they do not feel that way. I once had a regular who said this to me so I said great jokingly " I can butterfly " she storm off!

As for my son, he is too old now to switch to something else including BKK, that is a mistake I take responsibility for stupid me for not getting the bigger picture earlier! He is so far behind it is not funny because everything I've tried to teach him was undone by his mother.

Enjoy and Thanks for the advice![/QUOTE]LBM, I empathize with you. But it is never too late to make a change or you son. Might be just what you need to get things back on track for the both of you. I know quite a few Asian Americans in BKK and they do quite well in all regards.

Been here for 15 years sir and there have been some amazing highs and some unreal lows, and I am not just talking about women. Not a young dude either, almost 50, but I keep plugging away. "Throw enough shit against the wall and some of it will stick. " Hang in there man!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1639832]
In 7 years I recall only one time I've seen what may have been an Indian or Arab taking or talking to a NEP street worker. In hundreds of sessions I don't recall a girl ever mentioning those two nationalities, except a few times speaking about them in unfavorable ways. Nor do they tend to stay at the Nana Hotel.

Following is a youtube clip from 10 months ago. If a guy can't see several girls there who are at least a 7, one of us may need to make an appointment with an eye care professional.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA[/URL]

With the Nana Hotel not having an open disco or night club at this time, any freelancers who were working there will have had to hit the streets or go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]If you have seen the Arabs and Indians approach the Nana Parking lot girls only once in 7 years I have my doubts about your observational powers. It is a constant parade of them on soi 4 hitting on the girls and on Sukhumvit even more so. And if those girls in the video are Superstars in your eyes, then good for you. I know nearly all of them by sight. And have seen them around for years. The Nana Disco has been deserted or near deserted for years now so what you say is totally irrelevant. We see different things. What can I say. Its not really all that important.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1640146]I don't expect any or many of you to understand. I've concluded that any / many of you will never be asked to be 100% Thai because you are white. See the equation is this I look like them, they think I'm one of them until I speak, I'm 50% already there now all they have to do is change the other 50%, learn more Thai, I eat Thai food just like Chinese except spicy? Even shit without a sitting toilet, I've been told more than once I am American a walking ATM, it is like winning the lottery? A year ago I tagged along with a girl who has a useless Thai boyfriend who didn't come along to make a short visit to see her parents. Her parents wonder why she does not have money since she works in a popular go go? Once they met me it was love at first sight because of all the stuff I just mention to you. Shit I can see it on their face and I heard them " he looks like us and has money? ".

In the end, what I have also found many girls say they are done with Thai men, that is until they find a western guy, a sponsor, and then when they do not have to work they get the itch to be with their own kind, eat their own food, that is where the Thai guy comes in and sweet talk them into the sack. In Pattaya, I can safely say 9 out of 10 white foreigners I see with Thai women in a relationship came from P4 P, I've been told when they are with me they do not feel that way...[/QUOTE]Little big man,

Many men travel to Thailand often but do not understand Thai woman. They only see the illusion Thai woman present. First Thai hookers love to say they are done with Thai men. They all say that! But the minute you are not with them they are with Thai men. A Thai woman will always prefer to be with a Thai man than a farang. Farang are just the walking ATM. If you marry a Thai woman you will generally have to go to visit her family every year or time you travel to Thailand. All the family members will expect money. One after the other. They will all act like they love you. Until they day comes when you stop giving everyone money. Then they all hate you. Thailand is such a fantasy or a dream. Don't believe it. When the Thai girl said to you that you could not butterfly. She was talking about you. But she can butterfly all she wants. Moral of the story don't marry a bar girl or a hooker. Have fun and leave.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1640214]If you have seen the Arabs and Indians approach the Nana Parking lot girls only once in 7 years I have my doubts about your observational powers. It is a constant parade of them on soi 4 hitting on the girls and on Sukhumvit even more so. And if those girls in the video are Superstars in your eyes, then good for you. I know nearly all of them by sight. And have seen them around for years. The Nana Disco has been deserted or near deserted for years now so what you say is totally irrelevant. We see different things. What can I say. Its not really all that important.[/QUOTE]In the vid I posted there are Western & Asian guys, but no Arabs or Indians. That's the norm from my experience, which has been hundreds of visits to the NPL, but I'm not out there everyday, let alone 24 seven. Much more often it's in the early evenings or daytime lineups rather than the late rowdy drunken times of the night, & I generally find my girl within 5 minutes & am gone.

If anyone tries to hassle the girls, of whatever nationality, he may find 20 Thais immediately on his ass. You just don't do that in LOS, just like you don't diss the Royalty. So in hundreds of sessions with ladies from the NPL I've very rarely heard a complaint about them being hassled on the street by foreigners of any nationality. Much more often they've spoken about LE raids, but even that is rare.

Sure lower Sukhumvit near soi 3 to 7 and over to the Grace Hotel is full of Arabs, but that's a totally different scene and crowd from those frequenting the Nana Hotel, Parking Lot & street between the two seven elevens there, as anyone at all familiar with it would know. You can't even compare the two. They are nothing alike.

Let's be clear, no one ever said the girls in the vid are superstars, whatever that is supposed to mean. In the link to the subject on wikipedia I posted earlier it had a pic of Britney Spears, LOL. If you want her, fine, as my preference would be for several ladies in the NPL youtube clip, by far.

And, BTW, in 7 years, even within the past 3, I've seen & had stunners from that spot. Like poster Daddy said, you don't need 100, just one. And when they're not around, I'm quite content with a 7 or 8 rather than a 9 or 10. Or one could keep the lists of total hotties they've met there & banged in their "little black book".

Lately I went to Mit Phan Road in China Town for the first time on a Sunday evening around 9 PM. Thanon Charoen Krung was almost deserted, coming from Hua Lamphong MRT station, so I was afraid Mit Phan might also be like that but fortunately it wasn't. I estimate there were about 50 or 60 women in total sitting or standing on both sides of the street, ranging in age from mid 20's to early 40's. A few may have been older or younger. Most of them were 5's or 6's, only a few 7's here and there. Definitely no stunners but I didn't expect that of course. There weren't many customers and I was the only farang around. And I was totally ignored by most of the girls. They looked away from me or only made eye contact for a very brief moment. I guess they either don't like farangs or they hardly speak any English and are afraid to loose face when they try to make contact.

Finally there was a girl who said 'hello' to me. She spoke just a little bit of English and quoted me 700 Bath (plus 100 for the ST room). She was one of the few 7's in the street but nevertheless I declined and said I wanted to look around some more. She as well as her friend who was sitting next to her said something in Thai that didn't sound very nice, LOL!

I walked over to Phadung Dao Road (Soi Texas). It was much more lively there with Thai and tourists enjoying dinner and drinks. However the alley behind the soi where as I have understood the girls are supposed to be found was almost deserted. I saw maybe 2 or 3 girls in what looked like 'massage' places but I wasn't sure about it so I didn't enter them. Could as well have been normal bars with 'good' girls.

I was just about to give up and wanted to return to Mit Phan when these three girls sitting on the sidewalk of Soi Texas said something in Thai to me. Only one of them spoke a few words English and she wasn't attractive at all but one of her friends was definitely a 7 IMHO. Small, slender body, cute face, a nice smile and in her mid or late 20's I think. So I showed my interest in her and she quoted me 1000 Bath (with some help from her English speaking friend) but when I offered 500 Bath she almost immediately accepted.

She took me to a short time hotel nearby which looked run down but was reasonably clean. The room was 80 Bath including towels (sort of, they were very thin), a piece of soap and one condom. I expected a cold water shower (I hate that, spoiled as I am) but the temperature of the water was not unpleasant, even a little bit warm. The girl was very friendly and she had a nice body. Almost flat tits with firm nipples, a smooth and flat belly without stretch marks, a small but firm butt and no tattoos or piercings. She started off with kissing my chest and giving me a hand job. A blow job was not on the menu I guess but anyway her warm and gentle hand got me hard in a few minutes. I went down on her to DATY and she accepted it with a giggle. I even think she enjoyed it although she didn't show it very much. Her pussy tasted good and was fresh without any odor. As soon as she was wet enough I penetrated her. Unfortunately she was not really tight and it took me quite some time to finish but she didn't complain at all. It didn't help either that she had her eyes closed most of the time. Oh well.

Will I repeat? Meh, maybe. But then I will explore the area at day time I think.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1640334]Lately I went to Mit Phan Road in China Town for the first time on a Sunday evening around 9 PM. [/QUOTE]

Great report from the parts less visited, thank you!

Don't be shy to proposition the girls around Mit Phan area. The lack of "hellos" is not due to aversion towards foreigners, but perhaps they didn't flag you as a potential customer (fair number of Farang pass by through the area by accident and have no interest in the scene). The action is mostly in triangle bounded by Mit Phan / Maitri Chit / Phantha Chit roads (and alleys within too), some spilling over to Charoen Krung and Soi Texas.

As for the small alleys off Soi Texas, they're more active in the daytime, not much there at night. Actually, Yaowarat is not much of a late-night neighborhood, if you like the low-end scene, Khlong Lot (across from Khao San Road) is better late at night.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1640334]Will I repeat? Meh, maybe. But then I will explore the area at day time I think.[/QUOTE]After quite a few visits, and maybe 20 sessions, the area is definitely more fun for exploring (the thrill of the hunt), than for actual sex sessions (when it comes to service, the best out there would barely register as mediocre in Pattaya). If the girl was "meh, maybe would repeat", she's probably among the better ones. At 300-600 baht per shot, it's not much of a loss, though.

Some more spots to explore in the area:

Broadway hotel at the start of Soi Texas (staircase right next to the seafood places). This spot specializes in PRC workers, 400 baht and up. Poor attitude, but definitely fun to try something different.

Som tum sellers (young Lao / Issan) with their mats out in front of Hualamphong MRT station exit in the evenings. I keep hearing they're available (and they look like it), but haven't figure out the procedure / cost (despite speaking some Thai). At one time I sat there with an acquaintance with the girl pouring us drinks, but didn't make the move. Does anybody have relevant experience here?

The Saengfah hotelon Maitri Chit, about 100 m in from the circle. Often some lookers there, sitting at the bottom floor (visible from the street).

Slightly out of the area, but there's a great ST hotel with many girls on the premises next to Hua Chiew hospital. 600+ baht per session (300 for the hotel, 300 for the girl, plus I guess extra to be negotiated).

Hello, was researching this hotel that is in sukhumvit due to some suggestions here. There are some rooms with a terrace, perhaps it's a balcony. For additional charge. My stay may be 6 days, wondering if it's really worth it, has anyone used it, how's the view, sliding door access, it it big enough to lounge there or just two people stand? And what are the views, you see the views of other guest's balconies I guess?

Also, I feel like I know the answer already, but if you walk w / a bunch of guys, the working girls will eye you, but if you're walking with a foreigner girl, I'm feeling like they will all show zero interest, eh thinking you're a couple.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1640214]If you have seen the Arabs and Indians approach the Nana Parking lot girls only once in 7 years I have my doubts about your observational powers. It is a constant parade of them on soi 4 hitting on the girls and on Sukhumvit even more so. And if those girls in the video are Superstars in your eyes, then good for you. I know nearly all of them by sight. And have seen them around for years. The Nana Disco has been deserted or near deserted for years now so what you say is totally irrelevant. We see different things. What can I say. Its not really all that important.[/QUOTE]Ditto. All I see approaching those FL's in the Nana Parking lot are large groups of Indians and Arabs. No observational powers required for this one.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1640235]Little big man,

Many men travel to Thailand often but do not understand Thai woman. They only see the illusion Thai woman present. First Thai hookers love to say they are done with Thai men. They all say that! But the minute you are not with them they are with Thai men. A Thai woman will always prefer to be with a Thai man than a farang. Farang are just the walking ATM. If you marry a Thai woman you will generally have to go to visit her family every year or time you travel to Thailand. All the family members will expect money. One after the other. They will all act like they love you. Until they day comes when you stop giving everyone money. Then they all hate you. Thailand is such a fantasy or a dream. Don't believe it. When the Thai girl said to you that you could not butterfly. She was talking about you. But she can butterfly all she wants. Moral of the story don't marry a bar girl or a hooker. Have fun and leave.[/QUOTE]Good advice on not marrying a hooker. But you seem to be painting all Thai women with the same broad brush. The actions you describe tend to be those of the lowest class of people.

I have met and dated several middle-class Thai women over the years, none in the P4 P scene. NONE has ever asked for money. Ever. I often had to insist that I buy dinner, or whatever.

Last year my GF insisted to pay for several of the hotels we stayed at during our trip to Penang and points south, and part of the food. We do visit her family on occasion, but NOBODY has ever asked for money, and you can tell, after meeting them, that they wouldn't dream of it. And, if one were to ask, they would be the recipient of a new asshole, courtesy of the GF.