Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=SamWebster;2205968]I've spent a lot of time reading here and thank you guys for all the info. I just booked my first trip to Sosua for August and will be staying at the Europa hotel. I'm originally from new england and mongered up there, but I have lived on another Caribbean island for the past 7 years that doesn't offer much so I am really excited to visit Sosua. I'm not new to the game but I am new to the international part. I already have a heap of possible girls there that I have met through various social networking sites and so far it seems very promising. I can't wait to report back with hopefully great stories![/QUOTE]August will be hotter than hell, but that shouldn't bother you if you have spent time in the Caribbean.

Don't waste too much time on the hit and miss and often disappointing social media sites, because everything you want, you can see up close and personal, in Sosua.

The hard core chicas stick to the main drag, but if you take Mr Gogo's advice, and hit some of the outlying bars, they have their own set of local chicas who wouldn't be caught dead on the main strip.

They are locals and semi pros, who go out to just party, dance and karioki after work. They buy their own beer! They look down on the hard core putas and sell their favors to the community of regular Sosua visitors, and ex pats, who know these bars well.

It's there you can find some real gems, with no drama, and no desperate hurry to score, and because they all know each other, it's easy to set up a threesome, if that's your bag!

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;2205537]One can (sort of) understand the idea that by eradicating the sex workers that they will encourage "family" tourism in places like Sosua, but hard to imagine that. There are all inclusive hotels / complexes where the "family" trade goes.

On the other hand, places like Amsterdam have world famous red light districts that, in a sense, become tourist attractions, with tours leading wannabe mongers (and their wives) to gawk at the hookers in the windows, etc.

If sex workers were centrally located, versus eradicated, you could have both "family" and monger tourist areas. Still, apart from the Dominicans who use Sosua beach on the weekends, its hard to imagine most Western families patronizing the area. Too "gritty" too realistic for most Mommies' tastes.[/QUOTE]Right on!

Amsterdam has a lot to offer for the family trade and it's civilized. It could have been designed as a Disney theme park! Their midway features hooker exhibits safely behind glass.

But it's the art, history, and architecture that dominates the scene, not the red light sideshows, so it's definitely family friendly.

Sosua is nature in the raw, just hordes of freelancers selling their services and little else you can't find in the confines of your all-inclusive with it's safe beaches, restaurants and lots of family activities.

Sosua is a long way from becoming a sophisticated cultural venue. It's not a place to take the wife and kids!

[QUOTE=Oakie;2206657] It's not a place to take the wife and kids![/QUOTE]I beg to disagree. Perhaps it is so for the puritan US families but a lot less so, for the Canadian, let alone the European families.

A few years back, when I was new in Sosua, I was at Bologna, having a cappuccino in the morning with a croissant. The place then used to be run the original owner, a guy from Bologna. Sitting at the bar, I started chatting with a woman who had a little 5-6 year old with her. She told me that she and her husband and the kids have moved down to that town and she was planning to start a business. I did not see even a slight trace of worry about the Sosua reputation.

If one thinks that Sosua women are aggressive, they have not been to Patpong, I suppose!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2206814]I beg to disagree. Perhaps it is so for the puritan US families but a lot less so, for the Canadian, let alone the European families.

A few years back, when I was new in Sosua, I was at Bologna, having a cappuccino in the morning with a croissant. The place then used to be run the original owner, a guy from Bologna. Sitting at the bar, I started chatting with a woman who had a little 5-6 year old with her. She told me that she and her husband and the kids have moved down to that town and she was planning to start a business. I did not see even a slight trace of worry about the Sosua reputation.

If one thinks that Sosua women are aggressive, they have not been to Patpong, I suppose![/QUOTE]You're probably right on that. As an American, I also recognize that Americans can be very puritanical. Europeans can be much more comfortable with the subject of sex. While I would consider Sosua "safe" for families (ie, no serious threat of violence, etc) many US wives would be very critical of the openness of working girls plying their trade, and possibly dealing with awkward questions from the kids.

That said, the main attraction for families would be the beach, and there is really nothing unique there. The beaches at most all inclusives are fine, and within easy reach of free food and beverages. Hard for Sosua to compete with that. Sosua is a popular weekend attraction for many Dominican families, however.

Simply eradicating the sex workers would not boost Sosua's appeal greatly for families. The authorities would need to be creative in finding other attractions, preferably for young singles, not easily offended; they might even find the local activities titillating.

Maybe copy the sporting activities of Cabarete (wind surfing, paddle boarding, scuba lessons, para gliding, etc) combined with a casino, gringo-oriented night life, etc.

(Just brainstorming).

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2206814]I beg to disagree. Perhaps it is so for the puritan US families but a lot less so, for the Canadian, let alone the European families.

A few years back, when I was new in Sosua, I was at Bologna, having a cappuccino in the morning with a croissant. The place then used to be run the original owner, a guy from Bologna. Sitting at the bar, I started chatting with a woman who had a little 5-6 year old with her. She told me that she and her husband and the kids have moved down to that town and she was planning to start a business. I did not see even a slight trace of worry about the Sosua reputation.

If one thinks that Sosua women are aggressive, they have not been to Patpong, I suppose![/QUOTE]As a European I can assure you that it's not a place for European families either, your example is an extreme outlier.

European and American families being so different is a myth.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;2207025]Simply eradicating the sex workers would not boost Sosua's appeal greatly for families.[/QUOTE]Beside that, there are not many foreign families that would choose Sosua if they know Punta Cana.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2207066]European and American families being so different is a myth.[/QUOTE]Here is one thought, without knowing your background in terms of location. Prostitution is legal in Germany, Holland, Spain, Australia and New Zealand. I cannot recall but I believe the Brits have a fairly laid back approach to it too (at least as far as escorts are concerned). Can't speak for families but clearly the societal values in those societies are rather different from the stiflingly outdated US approach, especially for those who want to ply their trade out of their own volition.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2207318]Prostitution is legal in Germany, Holland, Spain, Australia and New Zealand.[/QUOTE]And a lot more European countries too. Probably 80% at least.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2207318]I cannot recall but I believe the Brits have a fairly laid back approach to it too (at least as far as escorts are concerned). [/QUOTE]Prostitution is legal in the UK, both incall and outcall. Pimping and brothels are illegal, though enforcement is lax or erratic in many counties. A very similar situation to the DR, in fact.

The difference with the USA is the religious background. Apart from small groups of "born agains" with no political pull, the only enthusiastic churchgoers are Roman Catholics who are traditionally relaxed about straight sex (though hot on birth control and abortion). And the Roman church rarely interferes in political matters apart from those topics. There is no "religious vote" in the UK as there is in the Mid-West and Deep South. Any politician who starts quoting the Bible gets laughed off stage.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2207318]Here is one thought, without knowing your background in terms of location. Prostitution is legal in Germany, Holland, Spain, Australia and New Zealand. I cannot recall but I believe the Brits have a fairly laid back approach to it too (at least as far as escorts are concerned). Can't speak for families but clearly the societal values in those societies are rather different from the stiflingly outdated US approach, especially for those who want to ply their trade out of their own volition.[/QUOTE]You make a valid point, I can confess that the fact that I'm from one of the countries in which prostitution is forbidden affects my view on the matter.

If you read the link below you will find out that a overwhelming part of the EU-parliament wants to criminalize the buyer of sexual favors. 343 to 139 with 105 abstentions.

In Europe we have a new religion; feminism. And according to it Prostitution have to go. I still believe that European women are very much against staying in a place like Sosua.

[URL]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20140221IPR36644/punish-the-client-not-the-prostitute[/URL]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;2207556]And a lot more European countries too. Probably 80% at least.

Prostitution is legal in the UK, both incall and outcall. Pimping and brothels are illegal, though enforcement is lax or erratic in many counties. A very similar situation to the DR, in fact.

The difference with the USA is the religious background. Apart from small groups of "born agains" with no political pull, the only enthusiastic churchgoers are Roman Catholics who are traditionally relaxed about straight sex (though hot on birth control and abortion). And the Roman church rarely interferes in political matters apart from those topics. There is no "religious vote" in the UK as there is in the Mid-West and Deep South. Any politician who starts quoting the Bible gets laughed off stage.[/QUOTE]Charles, while Roman Catholics are a large denomination in the US, the Baptists, and other evangelicals have a disproportionate political influence. The combined influence of all of them makes issues like homosexuality, trans gender, (and all sex-related issues) very controversial, where they are widely accepted in Europe, I believe. It is much more obvious in the "Bible Belt" areas of the South and Mid West, but even among the Catholics in urban areas, the subject of legalized prostitution is a non-starter.

This is reflected in the current administration, which has made several initiatives pressuring sex venues (to include this website) attacked gays and trans genders, and promoted "Religious Freedom" (Read, Freedom to Impose My Beliefs on You).

Even when this political temporary insanity is over, American society has a few generations to go, to evolve past its parochial views.

I am thinking of taking a special chica to this resort. Has anyone stayed there? Thanks for any replies.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2207572]In Europe we have a new religion; feminism. [/QUOTE]I think the males had a long run and hence the feminism is to be an expected Newtonian reaction. Indeed Norway is one country where I have found the impact of policies you refer to, even though Scandinavia has always been very relaxed about human sexual proclivities.

What I strongly object to is the "fake" male benevolence in all matters feminine including of course "abortion" which makes waves in my country (especially the evangelical communities as correctly mentioned by another member here) and is a non issue in traditional and historically catholic nations like Italy and France, which also interestingly made brothels illegal I believe in the 70's (unlike the enlightened Germans and Dutch. Even though I personally find Australia and New Zealand to be way ahead in such conversation).

In any case, having known many (Western) European females at close quarters, my personal opinion is that they are a lot less stressed about the question at hand than the helicoptering parents of the US. So we agree to disagree, shall we say?

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;2207763]Charles, while Roman Catholics are a large denomination in the US, the Baptists, and other evangelicals have a disproportionate political influence. The combined influence of all of them makes issues like homosexuality, trans gender, (and all sex-related issues) very controversial, where they are widely accepted in Europe, I believe. It is much more obvious in the "Bible Belt" areas of the South and Mid West, but even among the Catholics in urban areas, the subject of legalized prostitution is a non-starter.

This is reflected in the current administration, which has made several initiatives pressuring sex venues (to include this website) attacked gays and trans genders, and promoted "Religious Freedom" (Read, Freedom to Impose My Beliefs on You).

Even when this political temporary insanity is over, American society has a few generations to go, to evolve past its parochial views.[/QUOTE]The elite in Europe and America control the laws in their respective countries. I believe that the main difference between the two is that the elite men in the US are mostly impotent and the greatest opponents of prostitution are impotent men.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2207906]I think the males had a long run and hence the feminism is to be an expected Newtonian reaction. Indeed Norway is one country where I have found the impact of policies you refer to, even though Scandinavia has always been very relaxed about human sexual proclivities.

What I strongly object to is the "fake" male benevolence in all matters feminine including of course "abortion" which makes waves in my country (especially the evangelical communities as correctly mentioned by another member here) and is a non issue in traditional and historically catholic nations like Italy and France, which also interestingly made brothels illegal I believe in the 70's (unlike the enlightened Germans and Dutch. Even though I personally find Australia and New Zealand to be way ahead in such conversation).[/QUOTE]The constant struggle of all societies with prostitution is an old inside joke! The fact is, they can never eradicate man's genetic desire for variety in his sexual partners.

Even the religious leaders, politicians, lawmakers and judges, share these needs.

Various "solutions" are in place around the world to attempt to discourage the open trade, by regulation, licensing, taxing, soliciting and pimping laws, and they can be quite convoluted, as in my former country, Canada.

While streetwalkers have been successfully removed from the streets, MP's and escort services are permitted, licensed and taxed, but no public soliciting is allowed, and johns are subject to prosecution. On the other hand, we probably have more MPs and Escort Agencies per capita, than any other country.

So there is always, and will always be in every society, an outlet for a person to satisfy his sexual needs, even if in the more restricted societies, they just call her "a mistress".

They don't call it "the World's Oldest Profession", for nothing!

Sosua is a microcosm of this contradictory dilemma.

Putas are easy targets as well as Haitians for politicians. They can beat them up and blame them for all the ills of Sosua and the DR However money is being made but Dominicans will often cut their own throats if they think there is an extra dollars coming. Pie in the sky hopes of large groups of gringo families over flowig hotels and beaches is the civic dream. However half naked putas strolling the streets is more the reality. Currently the Politur is on the street in large numbers scaring the chit out of the girls. What is happening is the girls are concentratring couple of places. The competition for business is frustrating the girls. This may force some girs to retreat back to their barrios. I ran into some guys who were in Sosua while in the airport. For mongers it is busines as usual.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2208074]The elite in Europe and America control the laws in their respective countries. I believe that the main difference between the two is that the elite men in the US are mostly impotent and the greatest opponents of prostitution are impotent men.[/QUOTE]