Medellin Reports

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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2329907]Over the past several months, and especially the past two months, I have noticed a huge increase of Venezuelans hanging out between the area of the Veracruz Church and the Museum and the park in front of the Museum. It's like they have taken over the area and are squeezing the Colombians out. They typically hang out in groups of two or more girls versus the Colombians, and the majority of these girls are physically disgusting being grossly overweight and ugly. There are a few doable ones around, but I find the variety of the Colombians much more appealing.

I am curious as to other board members observations who frequent El Centro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Northstar1;2330496]What am I doing wrong? I've been exchanging mensajes with half a dozen women from FB and col cupid. I've got commitments for dates on Thursday and Friday. I asked if they wanted to meet at a restaurant or my place. All said whichever you want. I said ok, we'll meet at my place. Let me know if you have any special expectations for our time together. None of them have thrown out a number? I'm a reasonably attractive guy but there's no way these hot young women are interested in seeing me (early 40's) and not being compensated is there? One of the obvious prepagos from FB said whatever "it's up to you".

I don't want to come right out and ask how much they want so I'm dancing around it because there are a couple of them that are so hot I would meet them just for conversation. Is it common for them to just trust you to give them money without talking about it? Or are they stringing me and I will I get a text a couple hours before the date spelling out the rates? I suspect there's a Playbook because I'm getting the same messages. It's coming across Kind of like the two call system in the states. I'm happy to play by the "semi-pro" rules but I want to know what they are.[/QUOTE]Take a step back. They're in it for the money not some random guy they are messaging with. Make an offer.

Also watch out for being robbed.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2330624]Take a step back. They're in it for the money not some random guy they are messaging with. Make an offer. Also watch out for being robbed.[/QUOTE]I took your advice and asked the one I was most certain was a prepaid and. Lo and behold, she quoted me 300 k for two hours. I asked one of the ones I was pretty sure was a prepago on FB and I think I used the wrong phrasing. I asked her what her expectations for our date would be and she said "My Expectations? Like she was totally insulted. Next, I'll suck it up and ask the two ultra 10+ ladies and see what they say.

As far as being robbed goes, I'm aware of the drink spiking and the blowing powder in your face, any other common schemes? I'll keep my valuables in the safe and the suitcase locked up. My main worry is the possibility that the girl is working with some guy (s) and sets me up to get jumped.

[QUOTE=Northstar1;2330496]What am I doing wrong? I've been exchanging mensajes with half a dozen women from FB and col cupid. I've got commitments for dates on Thursday and Friday. I asked if they wanted to meet at a restaurant or my place. All said whichever you want. I said ok, we'll meet at my place. Let me know if you have any special expectations for our time together. None of them have thrown out a number? I'm a reasonably attractive guy but there's no way these hot young women are interested in seeing me (early 40's) and not being compensated is there? One of the obvious prepagos from FB said whatever "it's up to you".

I don't want to come right out and ask how much they want so I'm dancing around it because there are a couple of them that are so hot I would meet them just for conversation. Is it common for them to just trust you to give them money without talking about it? Or are they stringing me and I will I get a text a couple hours before the date spelling out the rates? I suspect there's a Playbook because I'm getting the same messages. It's coming across Kind of like the two call system in the states. I'm happy to play by the "semi-pro" rules but I want to know what they are.[/QUOTE]I don't know how good your Spanish is, but you really should firm up a price with them before having them come to your place. If you don't agree to the price beforehand, there could be lots of problems, and sometimes there's even problems when you have an agreed upon price beforehand. You might want to consider meeting them at a Coffee shop or other place within a few blocks of your place to work out the details beforehand. You may want to bail on some of these Chicas immediately upon meeting them because they don't look anything like the photos you saw, and if so, it will be much easier in a public place. And if you think these women are going to bang you for free, well I am sorry to inform you that's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2329725]There's too many variables for one easy answer. Some guys can get quick cheap flights and they will come in for 3 or 4 days every few months. Some guys prefer to come for 2-3 weeks a few times a year.

If you travel regularly and are considering Medellin as a place to visit routinely, I'd suggest 10-14 days. If it's a 1 time bucket list trip 5-10 days. If you're considering moving to Medellin, spend at least 3 months.

My reasoning behind the numbers:

If you spend lots of time traveling to mongering destinations already, you need time to get a fair impression. A couple of bad breaks early, could give you a tainted impression. It also gives a better idea about the city, climate, lodging and food.

If you're just wanting a bucket list type of trip, you're going to wear out after a few days. Come in, party hard and go home, before you burn out.

Obviously if you're planning on living full time in Colombia, you'll want to spend as much time as possible before making a decision.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. I fall in with the second tier you described. I don't have much mongering experience but Medellin has always been a place I wanted to visit for that and just some of the tourist attractions as well.

I think I'll do 6-7 days which should be enough at least to get an initial taste.

[QUOTE=Northstar1;2330496]What am I doing wrong? I've been exchanging mensajes with half a dozen women from FB and col cupid. I've got commitments for dates on Thursday and Friday. I asked if they wanted to meet at a restaurant or my place. All said whichever you want. [/QUOTE]Warning: Some butchered google translate spanish incoming. Lets hope autocorrect of this forum does not kill it.

Here is the standard messages that I send to decide the rate.

[QUOTE]
Me: Ola! Como estas!

Her: Muy bien y tu!

Me: Bien! vendre a medellin pronto!

Her: Que bueno

Me: eguro, estar en Medelln la prxima semana. Podemos encontrarnos en mi hotel.

Her: Si bueno

Me: perfecto. Cunto debo compensarte por tu tiempo en el hotel?

150 ms taxi bien?

Her: Si Amor!

[/QUOTE]Seniors, feel free to add your comments on above convo. Should I make it a little longer with fluff? Or is directly going to the point good enough?

In the beginning I was not giving price I would but asking them how can I compensate for their time. I got 150,200 and 250. Only one girl said, ""it's up to you". Never met her because I my gut instincts made me fear a robbery. And one another girl asked what I wanted to do with her in the hotel. Probably she is looking for a BF and not a customer. Probably you should directly ask how can I compensate for your time. Or you have some really great pics on your profile and they want to be your GF.

Note: This is only FB with lot of gringos in their profile. Probably on CO cupid there are girls actually looking for a long term BF.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2330624]Take a step back. They're in it for the money not some random guy they are messaging with. Make an offer.

Also watch out for being robbed.[/QUOTE]If he's inviting them back to his place (and assuming he's only opening the door if she's by herself) then isn't the chances of a robbery pretty low?

I guess you can still get drugged in your drinks but most people I would hope don't leave their drinks unattended when they have guests over.

[QUOTE=NorthStar1;2330638]she said "My Expectations? Like she was totally insulted. Next, I'll suck it up and ask the two ultra 10+ ladies and see what they say.[/QUOTE]So since you have been talking to these women what has your general conversation consisted of? Usually when normal people meet each other one of the first questions is what they do for work. It seems you have not asked such a basic question that may put all of your uncertainty asunder.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2330646]And if you think these women are going to bang you for free, well I am sorry to inform you that's not going to happen.[/QUOTE]LOL. Putting a bunch of uncalled for stress on himself when he could have just walked into a casa and been laid in 10 seconds at a fraction of the price. Surf I would love to argue with you on this one, but seeing that I have never had the slightest inclination to pick up a chick on facebook I would have no idea. I can surmise though, that if she has other foreigners as friends and they are not even asking each other basic questions then I would say she is definitely a hooker. Does she have glamour shots in swimsuits and lingerie with a lot of makeup on? Then she is definitely a hooker. I meet tons of chicks on cupid that are free, but their profiles appear as a normal chick's should and does not scream I am here to entice lonely or horny foreigners.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2330650]If he's inviting them back to his place (and assuming he's only opening the door if she's by herself) then isn't the chances of a robbery pretty low?

I guess you can still get drugged in your drinks but most people I would hope don't leave their drinks unattended when they have guests over.[/QUOTE]The robberies do not happen as soon as she shows up to your place. They wait until you are good and comfortable and have busted off your nut, then they let other people inside. Sometimes you have already been drugged when this happens. Sometimes not.

Back in the old Rio days I would always deadbolt the door and hide the key either between the trashcan and the liner or behind a picture frame. Unless she was planning to jump from a 6th floor window, then she was definitely going to need my help to get out of there. Never any problems though.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2330648]Warning: Some butchered google translate spanish incoming. Lets hope autocorrect of this forum does not kill it.

Here is the standard messages that I send to decide the rate.

Seniors, feel free to add your comments on above convo. Should I make it a little longer with fluff? Or is directly going to the point good enough?

In the beginning I was not giving price I would but asking them how can I compensate for their time. I got 150,200 and 250. Only one girl said, ""it's up to you". Never met her because I my gut instincts made me fear a robbery. And one another girl asked what I wanted to do with her in the hotel. Probably she is looking for a BF and not a customer. Probably you should directly ask how can I compensate for your time. Or you have some really great pics on your profile and they want to be your GF.

Note: This is only FB with lot of gringos in their profile. Probably on CO cupid there are girls actually looking for a long term BF.[/QUOTE]Depends on where your encounter occurs. If its in a hotel that checks their cedula, it should be fine, both from a security point of view and for your general protection. If you are in an unsecured apartment setting the risk is definitely more.

Some of them will certainly flake on you, be prepared, and don't get too hooked on plans to meet just a couple of them, keep your options open. You can also try to discuss any specific activities you are interested in before you meet. Don't be shy. Sometimes I ask for their whatsapp number and I take the convo over to whatsapp in order to have another access point and to see their photo to verify, and to get their local phone number. Agree best to meet at a nearby shop with people around.

That said the risk of meeting a random stranger is definitely there, as there are some traps laid out there, and you have to be comfortable with that risk, which is why I am grateful to the mongers here who threw me a few bones when I went. If you use a middle man, first you have to be sure of their integrity, and next some of them get really greedy. My taxi guy who was reccomended on ISG, tried to set me up with one that asked for $300 USD (I verified and it was not 300 k). I guess some gullible gringo paid that. What else can I say? I have stated here what worked for me. 150k + taxi is plenty good for that market and most will accept. The money focussed ones tend not to perform anyway.

With referrals, I feel comfortable knowing I am walking a well worn path when in a new country. The casas to some extent minimize the risk of drugging etc. However there are trade offs. I got more GFE type treatment from the social media types.

Though I ignored some of the advise to go the mansion first up and did my thing and it turned out to be a decent experience, I would probably have gone with the mansion hotel first up in retrospect. Once you have your trust worthy contacts, doing your thing gets easier. Either that or having a veteran on the ground is enormously helpful to avoid errors. Luckily none of my errors were a big deal, but definitely there is a learning curve to this.

FB is not [URL]match.com[/URL]. Most of the girls I have met or made friends with are prepagos or just girls looking to make some money. To be honest I have never had an issue with the girl not matching the pics. As far as where I stay it has always been in a hotel or apartment with security. You need to be more direct. They know why you are in Colombia. If you are asking them to meet you in a restaurant then you may be confusing them? They don't know if you are looking for a girlfriend or a prepago? I have girls tell me they go out for money if they feel I am being to nice when chatting. Above all, don't overpay. 200 k for a couple of rounds is good enough.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2330646]I don't know how good your Spanish is, but you really should firm up a price with them before having them come to your place. If you don't agree to the price beforehand, there could be lots of problems, and sometimes there's even problems when you have an agreed upon price beforehand. You might want to consider meeting them at a Coffee shop or other place within a few blocks of your place to work out the details beforehand. You may want to bail on some of these Chicas immediately upon meeting them because they don't look anything like the photos you saw, and if so, it will be much easier in a public place. And if you think these women are going to bang you for free, well I am sorry to inform you that's not going to happen.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2330874]FB is not [URL]match.com[/URL]. Most of the girls I have met or made friends with are prepagos or just girls looking to make some money. To be honest I have never had an issue with the girl not matching the pics. As far as where I stay it has always been in a hotel or apartment with security. You need to be more direct. They know why you are in Colombia. If you are asking them to meet you in a restaurant then you may be confusing them? They don't know if you are looking for a girlfriend or a prepago? I have girls tell me they go out for money if they feel I am being to nice when chatting. Above all, don't overpay. 200 k for a couple of rounds is good enough..[/QUOTE]Some good points for NorthStar to consider in what he does in MDE. Especially being somewhere with security, and if he has no Spanish speaking skills better yet he stay in a girl friendly hotel that requires a Cedula for visitors. I don't do FB Chicas and it's good to hear you have had no issues and the girls have been as they have represented themselves. However, I personally would be reluctant to just have a FB Chica just show up at my place without meeting her beforehand to reconfirm what is agreed to and make sure something isn't amiss. I guess a lot of guys do FB Chicas like yourself with no problems.

That is the question.

There's a former webcam model I was working with. She only worked for a few months, and quit without notice over an issue that she had been warned about, insecure boyfriend. It wasn't really her fault and I don't hold a grudge against her, but she is a symbol for all the little problems which ended my stay in Medellin. The worst part about it, if she had stuck with it for 3 or 4 more weeks, she'd be making 5 million pesos a month by now. Oh well.

I ended up chatting with her today. I liked something of hers on FB and she sent a message. After the round of Como estás we started reminiscing about working together. I offered to send her all the pictures I took, tossed in a compliment and offered to take more. And the game was on.

After a bit of back and forth, just light flirting, I offered to do a show with her when I get to town. There was a long pause before she asked if I meant a show to transmit. No, just for fun. That got an immediate response of, except you'll pay me? Paisas tend to be predictable.

I won't really grudge fuck her. I plan to make it something she'll remember fondly.

Now I just need to reconnect with one other girl who was nothing but problems.

Update:

The FB hottie wants 300 k, came right out with it when I asked the right questions in the right way. Thanks guys. I agreed to it and added that it would need to be unas horas and multiple relations and she said si amor, so that one's a date. I'm thinking about walking it back to 150 k for one hour and seeing how it goes. Her name is Yolaidis, let me know if you know her?

The Colombian Cupid beauty appears to have been a good girl and may have been offended by my awkward Spanish beating around the Bush with "compensation for our time together". As of now she's ghosting me.

There's a "universidad" agency / casa on mileroticos that has some very attractive chicas for 120 k / hora. Has anyone gone to these places?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2331075]I don't hold a grudge against her, but she is a symbol for all the little problems which ended my stay in Medellin.

Now I just need to reconnect with one other girl who was nothing but problems.[/QUOTE]Millions of chicks. Why are you trying to back track to old problems dude? Let those ships sail and move on to new frontiers. Don't be a glutton for punishment. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. A fool goes searching out the same mistakes over and over again.