Pattaya Reports

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An interesting thing in Thailand, however, is that there are a lot of girls that actually have their own preferences and will participate actively in the choosing process. Especially (it seemed to me) in Pattaya (in the discos). Therefore, if you are young and handsome you might naturally be able to pay less for a better looking girl than an older guy would. On the other hand, if you are an older guy (assuming average looking), you might be able to get any girl you want by offering a relatively small premium while the younger guys jerk her around over 500 or 1000 baht.

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Very true! Also, you mention the "choosing process" which suggests that some of the girls are in control. They are!

Too much money is being sloshed around in Pattaya and the better girls get to choose what they want.

Oversupply of punters with cash in their hand and few stunners. Outcome=higher prices for the good stuff!

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There are about half a dozen girls in Bangkok that send me emails and text messages when I'm in China. When I land in Bangkok they will come right away, on demand.

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What do you pay these girls for ST? Do you buy them food and pay for there taxi, also?

Reality check, gentlemen!

No one is disputing that some punters pay more, way more, than others do for the girls' services. The point is: it doesn't ruin the market or drive up prices. The posts below prove that point. If punters who chose to pay "peanuts" can still get the girls they want, how can the market have been ruined for anyone?

Evil

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather]I have no problem getting my 500 Baht pussy, because I'm in my 30s and I'm a handsome man. I get stunners for my 500 Baht. And I fucked also many stunners without paying any money in many different countries. (All right, that's all advertisement from me).

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[QUOTE=Tom Mabuhay]Just go ahead and overpay like many other rather 'stupid' guys. I just have a nice girl, who is getting huge amounts of money sent every month by a young crazy US-guy, got a new car (she is driving me around. Hehe) and soon a new house. (after staying with her just 2 weeks! ). She is even talking on the phone wtih him when she is staying in my bed. Laughing about the 'dingdong-guy'. I am 15 years older than him and she is staying with me for 'peanuts'.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]

Some visitors to Pattaya spend 300 baht a night on a hotel room, other spend 3,000 a night and a few, a very few, spend 30,000 a night (that's what the Presidential Suite at the Marriott costs and it is often occupied). Some will have a 50-baht bowl of noodles from a street stall for supper, some spend 500 baht for farang food in sit-down restaurant and others splurge on steak and lobster for 5,000 baht. Some punters outfit themselves with T-shirts and shorts for 500 baht from a sidewalk vendor, others will buy three or four brand-name shirts at Robinson for 5,000 baht and a handful will spend 50,000 for a bespoke suit from a Zegna-certified tailor. Nobody comments, nobody cares.

So why the hell is there so much concern about what a few guys spend on the girls?

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They pay more for superior quality or taste or image, which does not mean they are overpaying. Overpaying is paying more than other for the same quality (and too often overpaying for lower quality). Would you go to a shop and pay double price than other customers for the same shirt? I have paid up to 3500 THB for a girl in Thailand, but the girl was really worth this price.

In every place, there is a standard market price, in Pattaya it's 1000 LT except gogos, in Phuket it's 1500 LT. Phuket is a good example of how overpaying can ruin the market. So many regular tourists who don't know price and quality have created a ridiculous situation where all second-class girls are now asking for 2000 Bath or more (mot of them don't get it still...).

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Paying more CAN (not always does, but can) create, for lack of a better word, loyalty or preferential treatment.[/QUOTE]Very true. And just to expand this beyond all this tedious discussion about price, being a bit generous with money seems to me part of a whole type of behavior that some guys just don't seem to get. Yes, they're working girls, but if you're relaxed and funny with them, show a bit of consideration (you know, like treating them like people rather than sexual appliances), and don't spend all your time trying to bargain prices and demand services x, y, and z . . . well, you might be surprised at the service you get, and the kind of priority you receive when you want to see them again.

[QUOTE=El Frances]In every place, there is a standard market price, in Pattaya it's 1000 LT except gogos, in Phuket it's 1500 LT. Phuket is a good example of how overpaying can ruin the market. So many regular tourists who don't know price and quality have created a ridiculous situation where all second-class girls are now asking for 2000 Bath or more (mot of them don't get it still...).[/QUOTE]Guys, if possible, for your own karma sake, keep price for hooking up as random as possible.

When we explicitly define prices for hooking say 1000B, all sorts of third party comes in, the reason sex trafficking, child exploitation, pimping is increasing is due to the fact that people know there is a fixed price to be had for sex.

With this comes the business industry, big hotels, big bars and in 10 years, the same 1000B becomes 2000B and we complain the old days were better and cheaper, it was never about inflation it was about fixed prices and third party involvement and because of it inflation came in prices of hooking.

Ask any old expat in THB and he will always say the old times were golden, not knowing he would have contributed to the ignorant fact of "fixed pricing" which has ruined and exploited thousand of lives by third party hungry money grabbers.

One might say, what can one man can do to change the whole system of fixed pricing....that is the beauty of karma, if only the west was educated on laws of karma....you keep on doing your karma and you get the same reward....if you do your karma right...the world will change eventually.

let the hooking be between a man and a women, lets not define prices outright, lets keep it natural, if we do this now, the prices for ever would be same for hooking as long as we keep the third party pimps, bar owners, hotels away...now the third party is the king while the women who give service to us suffers.

Lets some pay 1000, some pay 500 and some pay 1500, it does not matter if it is low or high, the point is, we should keep it as random as possible to keep the third party and women exploiters away, as when they know the price always fluctuates, there wouldn't be any business opportunity nor any full time profession to exploit women..every body wins in this game.

We all are winners in the laws of karma, its ok if you f**ck, but do it the right way. :D

This topic has become almost unreadable. Pages and pages of arguments about overpaying with very little info on having fun in Pattaya.

Maybe the Mod could kindly clean it up a bit?

[QUOTE=El Frances]In every place, there is a standard market price, in Pattaya it's 1000 LT except gogos, in Phuket it's 1500 LT. Phuket is a good example of how overpaying can ruin the market. So many regular tourists who don't know price and quality have created a ridiculous situation where all second-class girls are now asking for 2000 Bath or more (mot of them don't get it still...).[/QUOTE]I don't agree that there is a "Standard Market Price" in each marketplace, whether it's eggs, shirts, suits, or women for hire. You don't just buy "a dozen eggs", you buy a dozen large eggs, or a dozen extra large eggs, or a dozen jumbo eggs, or a dozen organic eggs, ad nauseum. Obviously the price will vary depending on the quality.

You don't just buy a shirt; you buy a Polo shirt or a Lacoste shirt or an Armani shirt or a Turnbull and Asser shirt. Is it polyester? Silk? Double stitched? Egyptian cotton? Exact sleeve length or average? Custom made or off the rack? Again the price is dependant on the quality.

I think the same pricing structure applies to women of the night. No two are alike, and since there is such a wide range of quality, and certainly no uniform grading scale, the price will depend on the quality. And since no two punters rate women the same way, these discussions are pretty meaningless.

They are just a rough guide on where the negotiations for an average looking woman delivering an average experience might end up. Expect to pay extra for good grooming, good looks, sex appeal, language abilities, and an attractive complete package. Likewise, expect to pay extra for any service beyond what is considered "normal" here.

It seems that some fellows are more focused on the price than the service, and I think a lot of fellows get off on claiming to have gotten the biggest bargain. You paid 600 baht???? HaHa...I only paid 550.

It reminds me of the discussions we had in high school when comparing how much sex we got from a date compared to how little we spent on that date. You had to take Jane to dinner and a movie to cop a feel? HaHa....I got a feel while watching a movie in my parents rec room while spending nothing!

A year from now, will you remember if you paid 1000 baht or 1200 baht for a night of pleasure? Or will you remember a beautiful lady that delivered a memorable experience?

"A year from now, will you remember if you paid 1000 baht or 1200 baht for a night of pleasure? Or will you remember a beautiful lady that delivered a memorable experience?"

Nicely said.

I agree with you Dave.

[QUOTE=David 2] Obviously the price will vary depending on the quality.
I think the same pricing structure applies to women of the night. No two are alike, and since there is such a wide range of quality, and certainly no uniform grading scale, the price will depend on the quality. And since no two punters rate women the same way, these discussions are pretty meaningless.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone know how the grading scale works at soapies? Is there one manager who chooses what category a girl will be in? Like David 2 said there is no uniform grading scale from person to person, so how is this done in an establishment that has price differentiation/discrimination? Of course I had read before about the soapies in BKK where the sideliners cost more than the fishbowl, etc. However I did not witness it first hand until I went to PP Massage in Pattaya where girls with a red tag would cost about 600 baht more than the girls with the blue tag. To my mongering eyes many of the cheaper girls looked better than the more expensive ones, so I could not understand how one would be able to distinguish between the two had they not worn different-colored tags. And what kind of self-esteem does this leave the girls with? I can just imagine one going in for the interview and the manager telling her, "well, we are going to put you in the 'bottom of the barrel' category."

[QUOTE=David 2]I don't agree that there is a "Standard Market Price" in each marketplace, whether it's eggs, shirts, suits, or women for hire.
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In some markets there is a standard price for all products (e.g. movie tickets), but it might change depending on the venue.

Women for hire generally do seem to have a standard price (or price range) based on the venue. I once went with a freelancer on Sukhumwit for 1500 LT who asks for and gets 5000 ST in Novotel disco (have seen her there as well). At the lower end, on beach road in Pattaya 99% of the girls take 500 baht ST, regardless if they're an old used up hag or a hot 19-y.o. part-timer.

Before completing the deed (or seeing the movie), there is no way to gauge how much it is worth (that beautiful lady could be a starfish, or just not click with you).

[QUOTE=David 2]A year from now, will you remember if you paid 1000 baht or 1200 baht for a night of pleasure? Or will you remember a beautiful lady that delivered a memorable experience?[/QUOTE]

If you have limited resources, it is a difference between 4 or 5 nights of pleasure... and then paying more does not make it likely that your experience will be better.

I kept track over the years, and there is no correlation at all between service quality and price. There is minimal correlation between looks and price, but that could well be because I don't mind going with an average-looking girl if the price is OK, but wouldn't for a higher price. I'd rather pay a good tip afterwards for good service, than overpromise ahead of time and hope.

All said and done, this price discussion is entirely academic and personal. Realistically there is no way we'll affect the market conditions no matter what we do. In Thailand, the market is too big, varied and resilient -- and that's a good thing.

[QUOTE=David 2]I don't agree that there is a "Standard Market Price" in each marketplace, whether it's eggs, shirts, suits, or women for hire. You don't just buy "a dozen eggs", you buy a dozen large eggs, or a dozen extra large eggs, or a dozen jumbo eggs, or a dozen organic eggs, ad nauseum. Obviously the price will vary depending on the quality.

You don't just buy a shirt; you buy a Polo shirt or a Lacoste shirt or an Armani shirt or a Turnbull and Asser shirt. Is it polyester? Silk? Double stitched? Egyptian cotton? Exact sleeve length or average? Custom made or off the rack? Again the price is dependant on the quality.

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I agree and don't agree with you. As I wrote overpaying is paying more than others for the same girl. Of course, some girls are more pretty or offer better service and generate more demand and can often get more money. However, there tend to be a standard price +/- X% in each city (I pay cheaper in Pattaya or Chiang Mai than in Phuket), in each venue (I pay more in thermae for japanese oriented girls than in Biergarden). Broadly speaking it works.

Additionally, about this price question. The issue is not to show off by paying less than others, as was written. The issue is that many unexperienced readers are reading our threads trying to make out what should be the decent price to pay (not overpaying, not cheap charley either). Maybe they don't know that Pattaya is cheaper than Phuket or Bangkok, maybe they've never mongered in Thailand!

It is the role of this forum to provide this information among others, and not overpaid prices, and I'm very happy to find it when i go to places which are unknown to me.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]In some markets there is a standard price for all products (e.g. movie tickets), but it might change depending on the venue.

Women for hire generally do seem to have a standard price (or price range) based on the venue. I once went with a freelancer on Sukhumwit for 1500 LT who asks for and gets 5000 ST in Novotel disco (have seen her there as well). At the lower end, on beach road in Pattaya 99% of the girls take 500 baht ST, regardless if they're an old used up hag or a hot 19-y.o. part-timer.

Before completing the deed (or seeing the movie), there is no way to gauge how much it is worth (that beautiful lady could be a starfish, or just not click with you).
[/QUOTE]Very true. These 2k-3k Pattaya gogo girls can be had for 500 baht when they are "off-duty"

Exactly the same performance.

If I pay the old woman on the corner 30 baht for noodles and another monger comes along and pays 150 baht. It ain't going to make the noodles taste any better.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Does anyone know how the grading scale works at soapies? Is there one manager who chooses what category a girl will be in? [/QUOTE]

At the soapies which cater to Asian customers, the tint of the girl's skin and her height will largely determine her "grade." I agree that it is sometimes difficult to see much difference between girls of various "grades," while in other cases, a girl from the fishbowl will look better in my eyes than a sideliner or model.

I've also heard it said that a girl's willingnes to pay kick backs to the mama- or papasans will influence which "grade" she holds. Never forget that the soapies are very much Thai turf. Their turf, their rules. The girls are quite used to being classified according to one scale or another, formal or informal, since their preschool days. They don't worry too much about it.

Evil

[QUOTE=Spider916]This topic has become almost unreadable. Pages and pages of arguments about overpaying with very little info on having fun in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Agreed - I'll see if I can change topic a bit after I go out tonight - single! Had a big party night last night with some Arab and Russian guys and girls at their seafood restaurant - I couldn't keep up with their vodka shots - my head still hurts! Going for a good long body scrub massage (two girls) now to rejuvenate, then probably off to Pattaya Central and see what happens.

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Last night I waved down a scooter to taxi me to Walking street - turned out it was a girl riding her own scooter, but she stopped and offered me a ride anyway. When she asked where I was going, and I said Walking Street, she said with a big smile "No need go Walking Street. Come to my house please - very near". She asked me a few times during the 5-minute ride. I was slightly tempted, but the night was young, and she wasn't really my type - too pale, skinny and Chinese-looking. I prefer darker and a bit more shapely.