Rio de Janeiro Reports

Azn Safado,

I was waiting for your report, so thanks again here ;)

Too bad you got bad session at L'uomo, it seems that even in terma if you hurry up or if you do not pay attention to the little signals, it can happens to have a non unforgettable experience.

The same for me at Solarium in september, a non good DFK in boite is seldom a GFE in cabine, but the % of GFE in terma is so high, that sometimes, at least me, I take the risk.

A bit unbelievable there are in termas girls who do BJ with condom, I thought it is a must there a BJ uncovered, but thanks to report this, so everytime I will ask in advance. ( in the last times I only asked if she likes anal or not thinking BBBJ is all the time included ).

So it seems Nuth does not worth to go until there, much closer 00 and not worst.

May I ask you a question ? Why in all the time you was there you only start talking to one girl and not to, for example, 5-6 girls ?

I understand that probably you was not so horny after session at L'uomo, but maybe talking to more girls, you could end to be much more successfull as it is hard to close the deal with the first and only one you choose.

Just a question to understand if with more effort, can be a good place to date regular girls or if, they are not much interested in meeting gringos. ( did you got some eye contacts as you got at 00 ? )

Thanks friend and keep on having great fun in Rio

Best regards

What type of music did they play at Nuth?

[QUOTE=Jamaicanceo]Photo taken at Help on Saturday, 1 November 2009.[/QUOTE]Any particular reason to avoid those girls?

[QUOTE=Bravo]What type of music did they play at Nuth?[/QUOTE]
Mostly house music, sprinkled in with remixes of pop songs like The Black Eyed Peas "I Gotta Feeling". Seems their playlist repeated after about 3 hours as I started hearing the same songs again.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
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So it seems Nuth does not worth to go until there, much closer 00 and not worst.

May I ask you a question ? Why in all the time you was there you only start talking to one girl and not to, for example, 5-6 girls ?

I understand that probably you was not so horny after session at L'uomo, but maybe talking to more girls, you could end to be much more successfull as it is hard to close the deal with the first and only one you choose.
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Nuth Lounge is very good, just depends on what you are looking for I guess. Club 00 has a much younger crowd, like rich kids (age 18-22) from PUC. So for people that are a bit older, I would recommend Nuth.

I don't go to night clubs back home in the US very often. So you could say my "game" isn't even polished at home. It's hard for me to just walk up to a group of girls and "open a set" in my own country. Now throw me into a foreign country and [b]Drgn's[/b] (ISG Poster) point seems valid - [i]The point is if your skill set is not developed to the point where you can consistently game/pull “high value targets” in your own country where you understand the language, cultural jokes, etc., then your chances of doing so in a foreign environment drop precipitously[/i]. I'm talking targets in general.

I mainly go to these clubs in Brazil for the experience and just to have some fun. If I happen to meet some girls then that's cool, but I don't go to these things with any expectation of bringing a girl home.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Just a question to understand if with more effort, can be a good place to date regular girls or if, they are not much interested in meeting gringos. ( did you got some eye contacts as you got at 00 ? )
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I think it could be a good place to find some regular girls to date. Just depends if they find you attractive and charming, and you can communicate with them.

As for them being interested in meeting Gringos, I wouldn't have any idea. I would say it depends on the girl, ie, I can't generalize and say that 95% of them would not be interested because I don't really know what their attitude towards, and perceptions of, Gringos really are. It seems Sperto, Prosal, and friends have recently been actively debating in the " Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice " forum about whether or not it is good or desirable for these girls to date a Gringo, so I won't open up a new can of worms here.

[QUOTE=Azn Safado]Nuth Lounge is very good, just depends on what you are looking for I guess. Club 00 has a much younger crowd, like rich kids (age 18-22) from PUC. So for people that are a bit older, I would recommend Nuth.

I don't go to night clubs back home in the US very often. So you could say my "game" isn't even polished at home. It's hard for me to just walk up to a group of girls and "open a set" in my own country. Now throw me into a foreign country and [b]Drgn's[/b] (ISG Poster) point seems valid. [I]The point is if your skill set is not developed to the point where you can consistently game/pull "high value targets" in your own country where you understand the language, cultural jokes, etc., then your chances of doing so in a foreign environment drop precipitously[/I]. I'm talking targets in general.

I mainly go to these clubs in Brazil for the experience and just to have some fun. If I happen to meet some girls then that's cool, but I don't go to these things with any expectation of bringing a girl home.

I think it could be a good place to find some regular girls to date. Just depends if they find you attractive and charming, and you can communicate with them.

As for them being interested in meeting Gringos, I wouldn't have any idea. I would say it depends on the girl, ie, I can't generalize and say that 95% of them would not be interested because I don't really know what their attitude towards, and perceptions of, Gringos really are. It seems Sperto, Prosal, and friends have recently been actively debating in the " Non-Pro Garotas. Opinions & Advice " forum about whether or not it is good or desirable for these girls to date a Gringo, so I won't open up a new can of worms here.[/QUOTE] What all these pick up Artist talk? No wonder you have having issues with picking up woman.

Saying stuff like "open up a set" and "high value female" "talking targets" that sounds so NERDY and GEEKY I heard that foolish talk on VH1 the pick up Artist were this clown in a Top hat with a make up and eyeliner trying to get these NERDS to walk up and talk to girls all of that mess was set up for TV.

Just hit the gym and get yourself in shape that goes a long way in making a girl even look your way.

Kid Cisco

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco]What all these pick up Artist talk? No wonder you have having issues with picking up woman.

Saying stuff like "open up a set" and "high value female" "talking targets" that sounds so NERDY and GEEKY I heard that foolish talk on VH1 the pick up Artist were this clown in a Top hat with a make up and eyeliner trying to get these NERDS to walk up and talk to girls all of that mess was set up for TV.

Just hit the gym and get yourself in shape that goes a long way in making a girl even look your way.

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]Ha, ha, ha, LOL!

Real talk!

[quote= Kid Cisco]Just hit the gym and get yourself in shape that goes a long way in making a girl even look your way.[/quote]

plus it releases endorphins, feelgood chemicals that make you more 'alive' and attractive; it increases your physical dexterity and stamina in bed; it makes you (and makes you look) like a 'doer' rather than a lounge lizard; and it's gotta make you feel good about yourself - one of the first steps to getting women to feel good about you lol.

[I]See you there![/I]

[QUOTE=Kid Cisco]What all these pick up Artist talk? No wonder you have having issues with picking up woman.

Saying stuff like "open up a set" and "high value female" "talking targets" that sounds so NERDY and GEEKY I heard that foolish talk on VH1 the pick up Artist were this clown in a Top hat with a make up and eyeliner trying to get these NERDS to walk up and talk to girls all of that mess was set up for TV.

Just hit the gym and get yourself in shape that goes a long way in making a girl even look your way.

Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I watch that show The Pickup Artist for pure entertainment. I don't actually believe in those retarded principles (DHV, Negs, blah blah), that might only work on a small number of stupid American girls with absolutely no self-esteem. I was just simply using the terms in the context of Drgn's quote.

I mainly go to these clubs in Brazil for the experience and just to have some fun. If I happen to meet some girls then that's cool, but I don't go to these things with any expectation of bringing a girl home.

I think it could be a good place to find some regular girls to date. Just depends if they find you attractive and charming, and you can communicate with them.

As for them being interested in meeting Gringos, I wouldn't have any idea. I would say it depends on the girl, ie, I can't generalize and say that 95% of them would not be interested because I don't really know what their attitude towards, and perceptions of, Gringos really are. It seems Sperto, Prosal, and friends have recently been actively debating in the " Non-Pro Garotas. Opinions & Advice " forum about whether or not it is good or desirable for these girls to date a Gringo, so I won't open up a new can of worms here.[/QUOTE]I'm sure most of you on this site are already are aware of what some Brazilians real perception of "gringos". To begin, most of the educated people in Rio believe most foreigners only travel to Copacabana for sexual tourism. If you do not have any official business or reason for being in Rio other than "I travel for my vacation to enjoy the beautiful beaches and learn the culture" don't fool yourself you will be considerd a suspect especially if you admit this is not your first time in copa. Lets face it the reality is most Brasilains love to gossip about other people and whom a better target than the young lady with the old gringo. There is a stigma that if a Brazilian woman is in love with a gringo it is only for money and a better way of life. Unfortunately, some of the women get riddiculed by friends, family neighbors because of there relationship with a gringo. For those who know the web site ORKUT there is a community on there entitled brasilians married to gringos and it talks about what these brasilain woman truly think about their gringo. If some of you guys read the blogs from that community you would be more cautious of what type of woman you associate your self with.

I hit centro again today. First, I stopped by BA 85. Big-breasted Amamda, dark brown skin and blonde streaks in the hair, was back on floor 3. She knows me well and it shocked the girls who thought I was a newbie to see I knew a veteran.

I sessioned with her for R20, though I think Amanda told the cashier R15 and kept the change. Anyway, I never really mesh well with her in bed, she is just fun in the lounge.

Floor 2 has a couple of cute white girls.

Floor 4 is still closed.

Floor 5 has the leftovers.

Floor 1 still has the highest quality girls. Carol does BBBJ, Luma has a nice big butt, and there are a couple of blondes.

I went to Urugainia 24 today and ran into Duda, who use to work at BA 85 on the 3rd and 4th floors. She is a major "ho. " Duda was running around practically naked, only wearing a small towel that barely covered her waist. To make matters worse/better she was hanging up Christmas ornaments while standing on a chair. There were about 15 guys standing around staring at her butt and pus*y. I was there for about an hour and she did about 5 guys, so I guess in one day she got tossed around about 40 times.

I did her around 5pm and she was real loose but still good. Being skinny she is naturally tight, so the looseness is actually good. R$20

My guess is that Duda just stopped putting her clothes back on because she was just basically getting passed around like a basketball! I expected to hear somebody shout, "I've got next! "

I then went back to BA 85 and pulled Paoloa from floor 3. She is brown with a nice round butt. I really dogged her out. I banged harder than I have all week in Rio and she screamed LOUD! At first she was faking it, but then she got real quiet and then just SCREAMED!

That chick who was walking around the other day asking for a real man was back there and I know she heard the butt slapping and screams. Whose the man, now?! R$15

Tijuana

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]This certainly was the case but I understand that a recent court ruling may change this. As I understand it, the ruling was that taking advantage or abuse meant that the person was forced into the acts. So, this would not apply to the Termas situations, thus not making them illegal. Here is the link to the Oct.2, 2009 article:
[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2009/10/02/para-procuradora-lei-tirou-bordeis-da-ilegalidade-no-brasil-767879223.asp[/url]

Basically, it is a new law (lei 12.015 from 7/8/09) that just was interpreted in a court case. If you google "lei 12.015" you'll find a lot of stuff.

If it turns out that way, it would be great as it could create more competition. However, this being Brasil, I wouldn't bet on what the outcome will be.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure this law will change why thermas are on "shaky" grounds. The new ruling deals with the issue of forcing a person into prostitution, which is always illegal. The problem thermas have is that they make money off the sexual services of others. In Brazil, and the US for that matter, it does not matter whether the prostitute is forced into the life or not, but the act of living off the earnings of a prositute (pimping or pandering) is always 100% illegal.

I think some others may have tried to make this point already. The problem for thermas is that they have to always deal with the "pandering" issue.

Anytime a politician wants to make the news he or she can go in and bust some people and then shout "explotiation!"
And that is what has been happening.
TJ

[QUOTE=SlimHoleDrill]This certainly was the case but I understand that a recent court ruling may change this. As I understand it, the ruling was that taking advantage or abuse meant that the person was forced into the acts. So, this would not apply to the Termas situations, thus not making them illegal. Here is the link to the Oct.2, 2009 article:
[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2009/10/02/para-procuradora-lei-tirou-bordeis-da-ilegalidade-no-brasil-767879223.asp[/url]

Basically, it is a new law (lei 12.015 from 7/8/09) that just was interpreted in a court case. If you google "lei 12.015" you'll find a lot of stuff.

If it turns out that way, it would be great as it could create more competition. However, this being Brasil, I wouldn't bet on what the outcome will be.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting indeed. You are right: on the surface, the body text of Article 229 was changed to read "estabelecimento em que ocorra exploração sexual", i.e. "establishment where sexual exploitation occurs". Based on the interpretation that no sexual exploitation occurs in a termas considering that the girls are there of their free will, this would indeed mean that termas would be legal.

At the same time, the heading of Article 229 maintains the wording "Casa de prostituição".

Now, of course, the crux of the matter is: what constitutes sexual exploitation, and who determines that? And that's where the newly amended Penal Code doesn't say anything explicity.

But very interestingly, Article 231 (regarding international and domestic trafficking of a person for purposes of sexual exploitation) reads as follows. First, let me quote Article 231 for international trafficking:

[url]http://www.planalto.gov.br/CCIVIL/Decreto-Lei/Del2848compilado.htm[/url]

"Promover ou facilitar a entrada, no território nacional, de alguém que nele venha a exercer a [b]prostituição ou outra forma de exploração sexual[/b], ou a saída de alguém que vá exercê-la no estrangeiro" (emphasis added).

This wording is no accident, as shown by Article 231-A for domestic trafficking:

"Promover ou facilitar o deslocamento de alguém dentro do território nacional para o exercício da [b]prostituição ou outra forma de exploração sexual[/b]."

So in others words, according to the amended Brazilian Penal Code, prostitution is considered another form of sexual exploitation.

Pretty self-contradictory and strange, indeed.

[QUOTE=TJ Fannatic]The problem thermas have is that they make money off the sexual services of others.[/QUOTE]
IMHO, the principal legal problem of termas was that maintaining a "house of prostitution" used to be illegal per se. Whether they were making money off the sexual services of others was a secondary issue. With the new law, maintaining a *****house is no longer illegal, but an "establishment where sexual exploitation occurs" is. You are right, now the issue is whether they are benefitting from other's prostitution, and I agree with you... based on that alone, they are still on quite shaky ground.

EA

WIth all this talk about what is legal and what isnt. How is an escort agency like Karla Models legal? The girls live on site, are sent out to have sex with clients and then return and give a portion of the money to the agency. Sounds like textbook pimping to me! Why arent they raided every week or being shutdown?

[QUOTE=Redsox911]Any particular reason to avoid those girls?[/QUOTE]These girls are what make Help worth closing. They have an entitlement attitude, based on new mongers not knowing any better, and experienced mongers making rookie mistakes. Issue one, a friend on his 2nd trip to Rio orders a bottle of Whiskey and red bull for our group of four. THe girl in the middle is a friend of my friend's "gfe". Without him knowing other girls hit the bottle and red bull, plus added packs of cigarettes for a total tab of R425. 00. I was able to get the cigarettes taken of the tab, but Help wouldn't knock off anything else. The second issue was on me. I should've paid attention to the bottle and red bull, because I had more experience and should've known better.

The chick in the middle asked if I want to take her to my apartment for R400.00. I quickly responded "hell no"! She said, "ok you go home without me, but you must give me R200.00, because I partied with you. " 8-0

These 3 girls speak and understand english very well. I said "fuck you" as I walked out of Help. She followed me staggering drunk, shouting and ranting that I owed her money and she will call the police, who had 2 police cars parked on the sidewalk to the left of Help as you walk out of Help with about 4 officers. I kept walking across Miguel Lemos, and the heffer followed me ranting further that she has friends to help her get her money. Nevertheless, I los t her at Rua Xavier da Silveira and Copacabana.