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Right now most of the residents in Santo Domingo go to Boca Chica for a day trip to the beach.
I don't know where they vacation but they better have the disposable income to spend if there going to Punta Cana.
I just took the Metro bus from Santo Domingo to Cabarete and I must say its a very efficient means of transportation.
The trip took 4 1/2 hours and the bus was clean, air conditioned and it had a bathroom. Cost 450 pesos-appx 9 dollars.
It encompasses all the attributes people have reported and experienced. It can suck, it can be the best thing since sliced bread, and everything in between. No one man's (or woman or other entity) opinion / vacation / circumstance / evolution regarding Sosua speaks for everyone. If anyone has been criticized for their opinion about Sosua, it may likely been justified if it never included the obvious fact that any one persons opinion does not speak for everybody, at all times. It surely doesn't accurately depict Sosua and it's participants every given moment. IMO it's rather ridiculous for any of us (or them) to act like it does.
Now if one has been coming to Sosua regularly or live in or nearby, then it's very likely that they have evolved and adapted to the flow of Sosua and it's participants. If someone used to go there, and decided to return years later, finds things have changed unfavorably for them, well it's not unusual that they might be disenchanted because they did not adapt and evolve like those who live there or visit more frequently.
I can say, I am one of those individuals that have traveled to other monger destinations. I enjoy those places, and appreciate the different vibe and scene that they offer, different than what Sosua offers. But at the end of the day, I am looking forward to returning home to Sosua. Something that Manizales said rings a bell. A lot of my friends and I, do a lot of chica watching in Sosua, but we don't rely on the strip, streets or the beach to get girls. We do more looking, than we do hiring. He is correct, in that social media makes it super easy to connect with chicas rather than mainly focusing on girls on the strip.
Don't get me wrong. Every now and then we all try a chica off of the strip / beach / street. But it's not frequent. Most of us already have regulars.
Further, many guys I know consistently go to other monger destinations. Colombia, Thailand, Philippines, Costa Rica. However, they all love coming to Sosua. Why? It's not just about the chicas. People forget that some folks have other enjoyments that they appreciate when they come here. It's unfortunate that when enough people try to assess Sosuas value they seem to only focus on what's happening with prostitution and those supposedly trying to stop it or channel it.
There is no need to worry about street prostitution as long as the laws don't change, making it illegal. The women in the DR are going to sell pussy regardless of where they get to do it. That aint going to stop just because Politur police are harassing / arresting them in Sosua or elsewhere. The basic focus of a female in life is to use what she has to secure benefits. They can do it by way of marriage (legal prostitution) , a relationship ( real or fake ) or they can do it on the street or through social media. The result is still the same. Pay For Play.
It's just easier in places like the DR, and other mongering destinations because women generally are not getting the jobs, resources and benefits from their governments etc that would make dealing with a man unnecessary. Like it is in the US for example. If women in the US (for example) were reduced to the same level economically of women in poorer nations and also make prostitution legal and of course change the usual imbalanced laws in favor of women (with no legal consequences especially for men), enough men would have less need to go abroad to monger. You could monger right in your own back yard (country).
There are several types of Mongers. Sosua to the casual monger is a big deal. If you do one or 2 visits a year then you do not have time for relationships and planning. You want lot of grls in a short period of time, The other extreme is the expats. They have relationhips and have very little need for Sosua. I find my self in the middle of these positions. I make about 5 trips a year and have a number of ladies available when ever I show up. I enjoy a hot fresh 19 year old every now and then. Sosua was great at making this available. BSing a 19 year old hottie on line is hard to at my age. Not pretending I want a relationship. I do think the expats have forgotten what us part timers are motivated by. I have chosen the DR to do my mongering. I am satified with the culture and quality of the women as well as the cost of satifying my urges. It has taken me several years to develope my comfort with the DR. I plan to enjoy the fruits of my efforts for the near futur.
[QUOTE=OldKool;2225532]I enjoy a hot fresh 19 year old every now and then. Sosua was great at making this available. BSing a 19 year old hottie on line is hard to at my age. Not pretending I want a relationship.[/QUOTE]First of all you have to define what a relationship is. From my perspective my DR tables have turned. It used to be that 9 out of 10 women in the DR that I met did not want money. These days that has flipped to 9 out of 10 chicks that I meet want money. (Not from the outset, but after you fuck them all kinds of things that they need help with will come up.)
They will say that they want a relationship, but like I said, get them to define what a relationship is to them. It all boils down to giving them money when they need it. Ask them what their part in the relationship is and they do not have an answer to that. Or they will say some abstract shit that can't be measured, like giving you love. What I am saying is these days you don't have to BS because they are going to be wanting the money whether you call yourself in a relationship with them or not. Hell, claiming you want the relationship is probably going to cost you more as many wise men have said.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225537]First of all you have to define what a relationship is. From my perspective my DR tables have turned. It used to be that 9 out of 10 women in the DR that I met did not want money. These days that has flipped to 9 out of 10 chicks that I meet want money. (Not from the outset, but after you fuck them all kinds of things that they need help with will come up.)
[/QUOTE]It was always thus, just that you did not know it, and they were playing along with you because you worked for an airline, or whatever you do, and they saw you as a possible ticket to ride up, up, and away from the DR. It just took you about 10 years to figure this out. Also you got older, and they got your number.
[QUOTE=Frannie;2225574]It was always thus, just that you did not know it, and they were playing along with you because you worked for an airline, or whatever you do, and they saw you as a possible ticket to ride up, up, and away from the DR. It just took you about 10 years to figure this out. Also you got older, and they got your number.[/QUOTE]I would not say that, because I still deal with some of the same chicks now that I have back then and over the years they have still not asked me for 1 peso. In addition to that, some have visas and visit the USA, so they are not hoping for that from me. I did have 1 ex that got angry with me the other day. Her brother was supposed to go to the USA to live with his wife and kid. Well him and the wife broke up, so she asked if he could come stay with me and I said no. It is all the new chicks that I am getting the money shit from. Maybe because I am getting older.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225537]First of all you have to define what a relationship is. From my perspective my DR tables have turned. It used to be that 9 out of 10 women in the DR that I met did not want money. These days that has flipped to 9 out of 10 chicks that I meet want money. (Not from the outset, but after you fuck them all kinds of things that they need help with will come up.)
They will say that they want a relationship, but like I said, get them to define what a relationship is to them. It all boils down to giving them money when they need it. Ask them what their part in the relationship is and they do not have an answer to that. Or they will say some abstract shit that can't be measured, like giving you love. What I am saying is these days you don't have to BS because they are going to be wanting the money whether you call yourself in a relationship with them or not. Hell, claiming you want the relationship is probably going to cost you more as many wise men have said.[/QUOTE]Wise words, Mr. E. Buyer beware.
[QUOTE=OldKool;2225532]I do think the expats have forgotten what us part timers are motivated by. I have chosen the DR to do my mongering. I am satified with the culture and quality of the women as well as the cost of satifying my urges. It has taken me several years to develope my comfort with the DR. I plan to enjoy the fruits of my efforts for the near futur.[/QUOTE]How can expats forget what infrequent visitors or part timers are motivated by? Everywhere you look, enough part timers that come to Sosua show you what they are motivated by. What are the expats you know saying or doing that makes you feel otherwise?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225537]First of all you have to define what a relationship is.
They will say that they want a relationship, but like I said, get them to define what a relationship is to them. It all boils down to giving them money when they need it. Ask them what their part in the relationship is and they do not have an answer to that. Or they will say some abstract shit that can't be measured, like giving you love. What I am saying is these days you don't have to BS because they are going to be wanting the money whether you call yourself in a relationship with them or not. Hell, claiming you want the relationship is probably going to cost you more as many wise men have said.[/QUOTE]To add to this, the term relationship used by the locals towards a foreigner typically is supposed to measure the individuals level of interest and / or commitment to being manipulated financially / emotionally. If the local claims to want a relationship, he / she may be testing the foreigner to see what they are willing to offer and for how long.
The local may eventually let it be known their problems and their needs, and it's up to the foreigner to demonstrate and execute. And it's true, locals don't really expect to be held accountable for offering anything in return. The mere fact that the foreigner is prepared to or has the potential to do more for the local without expecting much in return is enough. The foreigner doesn't require much from the local so the local is comfortable not offering much. Many if not most foreigners are comfortable setting up that arrangement, until they realize that they have been played or they decide to move on to someone else. What enough foreigners come to realize, all that they have done or demonstrated to do for the local, does not necessarily result in appreciation, loyalty, exclusivity or commensurate reciprocation.
I would venture to say, one reason the game is more direct than before, is because enough foreigners have recognized it's a dead end road dealing with a local. And that it's much better keeping things simple. Like paying only for the services that were provided, and not overdoing it for things not earned or appreciated. Also, once upon a time just having a foreigner around was a status symbol. Foreigners put in more time interacting with the locals. Going to their homes and meeting families. It was more common for a foreigner to volunteer help towards the local, but also to their family. Fast forward to today. That practice exists but it's over shadowed by a large majority wanting shit quick and easy. And also trying to get it from as many sources as possible. Neither side trusting the other.
That goes for foreigners trying to have a variety of partners (or in some cases the attention of a particular local that is in high demand or unavailable). On the local tip, them trying to get benefits / dinero and resources from as many foreigners as possible. Mainly because depending on only one is too risky. Once found out or exposed, they could lose everything Still enough locals and foreigners use the term relationship loosely in order to get the advantage they're seeking from the other. I see male and female locals operating similarly towards foreigners.
A good policy IMO is to pay no more than for the service / time that was provided. Also, to be careful of "THE FREE LUNCH" commonly offered by potential opportunists. A common practice with locals is for the foreigner not to pay or not to contribute, so that he or she may be obligated to a lot more down the road. A foreigner can't allow themselves to be fooled by the local who never asks or expects anything. That local may easily be getting benefits from other sources. They can afford to appear disinterested in what a particular foreigner has to offer.
Of course a foreigner can use the locals game against them. Sometimes it works, sometimes it back fires.
How is new year's eve in Sosua? Any big party, concerts or something?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Frannie;2225574]It was always thus, just that you did not know it, and they were playing along with you because you worked for an airline, or whatever you do, and they saw you as a possible ticket to ride up, up, and away from the DR. It just took you about 10 years to figure this out. Also you got older, and they got your number.[/QUOTE]Contrary to what enough folks believe. Many locals are NOT interested in moving from the DR. It's true enough locals do play the long game with foreigners. But accounting for those that are trying to use a foreigner to get away from the DR, from those that have no interest in leaving the DR, I'd like to see those stats? Personally I haven't had one female in all the years coming to the DR pursue or even talk about leaving the DR.
From my limited observation, the locals seem to have particular groups / individuals in mind and places to live when they seek to leave the DR. And also who they seek out for relationships and having children with.
Another reason to consider. Locals are already connected and have relationships with other locals. So for the most part, they only need / want and pursue the foreigner for his / her resources. And therefore don't have much need for a foreigner beyond playing a role, and no interest in leaving the DR.
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;2225884]Contrary to what enough folks believe. Many locals are NOT interested in moving from the DR. It's true enough locals do play the long game with foreigners. But accounting for those that are trying to use a foreigner to get away from the DR, from those that have no interest in leaving the DR, I'd like to see those stats? Personally I haven't had one female in all the years coming to the DR pursue or even talk about leaving the DR.
[/QUOTE]About 99% of all the Haitianas I have ever met want away from the DR and Haiti, either to Europe (preferably France), Canada (preferably Quebec), Brazil (not so much these days since the economy has tanked since the World Cup and Olympics, but thousands of Haitian earthquake refugees from the DR are still there) and, of course, the good old USA where special bennies are STILL on offer to Haitians (in spite of Trump) if only they can get a foot on land. Of course Haitians are not Dominicans, but they form a significant percentage of the single girls visitors meet around Sosua. Many of them succeed. Most of the Haitianas I knew 10 years ago are somewhere else now. Even the middle aged one who was maid (not girlfriend) is now in Brazil and has a baby and a husband. Another who was a very close friend of the family married and left to live in Holland, then tragically died in childbirth with her second child over there.
Of course Haitians are not Dominicans, but they form a significant percentage of the single girls visitors meet around Sosua. Some media sources say a majority, but that is probably not accurate. Dominicans, however, form the 5th largest LEGAL immigrant group of all nations to the USA, but on a per head basis the DR would come higher than Mexico, China, and India.
If you want statistics:
Country 2015 2016.
1. Mexico 158,619 174,534.
2. China 74,558 81,772.
3. Cuba 54,396 66,516.
4. India 64,116 64,687.
5. Dominican Rep. 50,610 61,161.
6. Philippines 56,478 53,287.
7. Vietnam 30,832 41,451.
8. Haiti 16,967 23,584.
9. El Salvador 19,487 23,449.
10. Jamaica 17,642 23,350.
Total 1,051,031 1,183,505.
[QUOTE=Frannie;2225941]
If you want statistics:
Country 2015 2016.
1. Mexico 158,619 174,534.
2. China 74,558 81,772.
3. Cuba 54,396 66,516.
4. India 64,116 64,687.
5. Dominican Rep. 50,610 61,161.
6. Philippines 56,478 53,287.
7. Vietnam 30,832 41,451.
8. Haiti 16,967 23,584.
9. El Salvador 19,487 23,449.
10. Jamaica 17,642 23,350.
Total 1,051,031 1,183,505.[/QUOTE]The population of the DR is a little less than the population of Cuba, so the emigration rate is about the same. Of course the emigration rate from Puerto Rico to the US is even higher, but is not counted because the Puerto Ricans are already US citizens. So the three Spanish-speaking islands of the Greater Antilles are the world's leading nations in terms of the percentage of their populations that want to emigrate to the US or elsewhere. The per capita rate is even higher for Hispaniola, I think, if you take Haiti into account.
So this suggests that a helluva lot of Dominican residents want to emigrate, at least compared to other countries.
Every year around August and September, in the heat and hurricane season, sex tourist traffic drops off markedly. (Last year around this time I returned home with only one other passenger on my WestJet flight. Posted a picture here).
The locals complain about the lack of business, marginal restaurants close for the season. Ex pat residents work off their local regulars, and prices for the hard core ladies go down, while prices for the increasingly rare 8 -10's stay the same or even go up. Newbie reports are correspondingly rare, but we have always regular posters with complaints about the demise of Sosua.
Come fall and winter, things pick up. Single mongers, and party groups start making reservations for hotel rooms and villas, and some start seeking information here in these forums. It's suddenly high season as the European and North American winter sets in. There's vibe in the air, new reports flow, and complaints change from lack of action to chica overpricing, petty rip offs, lack of adjoining rooms, double booking, and hotel reservations not being honored. The ladies, ever opportunistic, increase in numbers and the cycle continues.
If the monger hotels start to close, instead renovating and expanding, more restaurants close instead of opening (local politics aside) that would be an obvious sign of monger numbers declining, but until that happens, Sosua (in season) will continue to be a tropical laid back beach town that provides a lot of options for a cheap, and enjoyable monger vacation for those who like the Dominicana and Hatiana type of ladies.
Some of our more charismatic mongers even report consistently getting their chicas for free!
But some folks never quite understand how Sosua rolls.
(As usual IMHO, and YMMV)