Angeles City

Thanks for your post about FB groups in AC.

I will be in AC for a full month starting in mid-Feb. My 2nd visit. This time I want to focus on non-bargirl hookups and possibly find a girl (or 2, or 3?) who will want to hang out with me for 2-3 days. Finding a bar girl for that is not cost-effective and I'm guessing is likely to deliver less than ideal experiences.

So would you mind sharing the names of those 3 FB groups, please? I have found a couple of Manila-based groups. At least I think they are in / around Manila. But I haven't found anything solid in AC.

And can you tell me if you can get by in these groups as an English-only speaker? The groups I found are 95% in Tagalog.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

[QUOTE=Medellin65;2871300]I frequent 3 Facebook groups of Angeles city and walking street. I posted a request for an appointment for LT sex (full night).

Indicating a budget between 2500 and 3000 php. I received 42 PMs of available girls.

At least half of them rather cute for my tastes.

This means say kboys or not there are still plenty of opportunities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2871356]BB can you explain this? A shortage of older ladies? Or they are not attractive?[/QUOTE]The girls are young in Jakarta. My girls' average age is 20. Yes, it's difficult if you're looking for girls over 30 or even 25 at the places I mentioned. There are places if you want over the hill girls but I don't go to those.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2871356]Couple of questions. Is that a post-covid price? That's $23 USD. [/QUOTE]Yes current prices or at least since earlier this year. I did read prices went up a couple of dollars US in some bars but I believe most of the popular ones are still 350-380 k. I assume it's 1 pop. I have never been rushed by any girl at Classic or Travel. I have been rushed by 1 single girl in all my trips to Jakarta and that was at Starmoon. Others at Starmoon were there for full time or longer. There are even cheaper local bars like Ruko Robinson for 300k (I assume that's still the price). Don't even look for information on Ruko I think Im the only person on ISG who has had the guts to go there.

Contrary to Classic, travel, the rooms in Kota Indah bars are dirty and sleazy. Think Soi 6 in Pattaya. I bring my own plastic sandals to Kota Indah if that says anything.

By FL bars I think you mean like BATS and CJ's? Those are 1-2 million and this was pre-COVID pricing. Would rather have 6 girls at my point and shoot places than 1 girl LT.

What I was hoping for in PI were bars like Jakarta point and shoot bars or top end talent gogo bars like in Pattaya. Don't seem to be anything close.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2871338]The usual criticism of Jakarta is the traffic and the lack of English (esp at the cheaper places). This can be countered by the eagerness of good girls to act a tourist guide "plus plus".[/QUOTE]

Yes, traffic is by far the worst in SEA. I didn't mention one of my favorite point and shoot bars, New Medika, since it's in West Jakarta. Taxis won't even go out there cause traffic is awful! I literally have to tell them I'll pay double to go out there.

Lack of English is a problem but you can weed that out if it's a must for you via mamasan or when you talk to them. I'm used to Japan now so Jakarta girls' ability to speak English is 100x better than young Japanese girls. The main reason is these girls are mostly new to the business and these are the bars they start in.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2871338]Not withstanding the above, I'd still choose Pattaya for a virgin visitor.[/QUOTE]

No matter what haters say Pattaya is still the best. I was more thinking Jakarta for him cause it's best bang for your buck for someone with a limited budget. Also easier for someone there on a short time frame to find decent looking young girls for a good price. They're there in Pattaya but it takes time to seek them out unless you are willing to pay gogo girl prices. Also, unlike Thailand, zero racial bias for anyone!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2871429]T
What I was hoping for in PI were bars like Jakarta point and shoot bars or top end talent gogo bars like in Pattaya. Don't seem to be anything close.

[/QUOTE]AC used to be point and shoot at cheap prices AND you could get LT if you wanted also, which is not possible from the Jakarta bars. Now, sadly you pay 100 USD for possible LT with a bar girl or 35 bucks for ST from one of two existing ST bars or street girls. But you won't find any lookers there although I have occasionally found an 18 yo newbie gem in ST bar for 1500 P. But she won't stay there long for sure as she realizes her true value. Haven't been to Jakarta yet but heading there in a couple of weeks for the $20ST with cute 20 yo girls. My intel says BBFS is fairly easy as well. If that's true, Jakarta will replace AC and Patts as my go to place for a fuck trip.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2871447]you pay 100 USD for possible LT with a bar girl or 35 bucks for ST from one of two existing ST bars or street girls. the $20ST with cute 20 yo girls. .[/QUOTE]When in a country, you should always use the currency of that country for a variety of reasons that range from decency to common sense. In this instance, whenever a provider uses the US $ to quote me a price, I move because I know she is over-charging. Being forces to check conversion rates, $20 is about 1100 PHP and 35 $ is just shy pf 2000 PHP, which should be plenty in a third world country. $100 is about 5500 which you should only pay if you want to put a ring on the hooker's finger and give her your last name.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2871356]BB can you explain this? A shortage of older ladies? Or they are not attractive?

Couple of questions. Is that a post-covid price? That's $23 USD. That Classic price, and similar, were also to be found in the old Top Gun FL bars a decade ago (for ST). But prices started rising mid-2010's. Is that still current, and what do you get in the room for that? 1 pop and out?

I understand the old Jalan Falatehan bars didn't survive covid. Did pure FL bars reconvene elsewhere? For those uninitiated, those bars were similar to LA Cafe, 3 of them on the same block a short walk from each other, with much better looking girls, typically in the p1500 ($30 USD) ST / p2500 LT range. In other words, *heaven*.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2871429]The girls are young in Jakarta. My girls' average age is 20. Yes, it's difficult if you're looking for girls over 30 or even 25 at the places I mentioned. There are places if you want over the hill girls but I don't go to those.

Yes current prices or at least since earlier this year. I did read prices went up a couple of dollars US in some bars but I believe most of the popular ones are still 350-380 k. I assume it's 1 pop. I have never been rushed by any girl at Classic or Travel. I have been rushed by 1 single girl in all my trips to Jakarta and that was at Starmoon. Others at Starmoon were there for full time or longer. There are even cheaper local bars like Ruko Robinson for 300k (I assume that's still the price). Don't even look for information on Ruko I think Im the only person on ISG who has had the guts to go there.

Contrary to Classic, travel, the rooms in Kota Indah bars are dirty and sleazy. Think Soi 6 in Pattaya. I bring my own plastic sandals to Kota Indah if that says anything.

By FL bars I think you mean like BATS and CJ's? Those are 1-2 million and this was pre-COVID pricing. Would rather have 6 girls at my point and shoot places than 1 girl LT.

What I was hoping for in PI were bars like Jakarta point and shoot bars or top end talent gogo bars like in Pattaya. Don't seem to be anything close.



Yes, traffic is by far the worst in SEA. I didn't mention one of my favorite point and shoot bars, New Medika, since it's in West Jakarta. Taxis won't even go out there cause traffic is awful! I literally have to tell them I'll pay double to go out there.

Lack of English is a problem but you can weed that out if it's a must for you via mamasan or when you talk to them. I'm used to Japan now so Jakarta girls' ability to speak English is 100x better than young Japanese girls. The main reason is these girls are mostly new to the business and these are the bars they start in.



No matter what haters say Pattaya is still the best. I was more thinking Jakarta for him cause it's best bang for your buck for someone with a limited budget. Also easier for someone there on a short time frame to find decent looking young girls for a good price. They're there in Pattaya but it takes time to seek them out unless you are willing to pay gogo girl prices. Also, unlike Thailand, zero racial bias for anyone![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2871447]AC used to be point and shoot at cheap prices AND you could get LT if you wanted also, which is not possible from the Jakarta bars. Now, sadly you pay 100 USD for possible LT with a bar girl or 35 bucks for ST from one of two existing ST bars or street girls. But you won't find any lookers there although I have occasionally found an 18 yo newbie gem in ST bar for 1500 P. But she won't stay there long for sure as she realizes her true value. Haven't been to Jakarta yet but heading there in a couple of weeks for the $20ST with cute 20 yo girls. My intel says BBFS is fairly easy as well. If that's true, Jakarta will replace AC and Patts as my go to place for a fuck trip.[/QUOTE]To answer a few of the questions and add to BB's comments:

Blok M has been dying for at least the last decade. Covid merely finished it off. My Bar is still there with girls but, yes, the whole vibe of the area is now a distant memory. What was once a staging area for the hot girls on their way to the five star establishments and farm fresh for the rest of the night, now only gets those well past their prime. Very occasionally there might be a cute dancer or similar but it's rare now.

BB's pricing is accurate for ST, on premises, for the Kota bars. LT takeaway is available. I think it's 5 or 10 hours so it's very rare. Yes a 26 yo would struggle to find work there as most are paying of dad's gambling debts so the lender can pick the prettiest sisters.

For accuracy, it is customary, though not compulsory, to leave the girl a 100 k tip for good service. Also, most of the bars often offer two-fer deals: two girls for approximately the price of one. A guaranteed way to have a good time and save a few bucks. LOL.

All of the dine in bars are 1 shot now. The girls generally aren't clock watchers but officially time's up when you have shot your load. The only place I know that was all you can eat for 60 minutes was Maribaya, the infamous 6th floor of the Malawi Hotel, but that's been gone for years now. It was standard to have first shot, a quick relaxing massage followed by second shot within one hour if the guy was willing and able.

Blok M bars were freelancers too (My Bar still is) like BATS and CJ's. The latter just had 5 star surroundings, $200 girls who spoke English and were often a few years older.

There are still many expat friendly bars in Jakarta but nothing has sprung up to replace Jl Falatehan ie a street of mid level bars where a foreigner can walk door to door and see hundreds of cute young girls.

Not sure why EA is comparing was AC was to what Jakarta is now. When AC was full of fun young hotties, it was definitely available in the Jakarta bars too.

Jakarta is great but it's not user friendly for a new monger.

Apologies for continuing the off topic post.

Cheers. G.

I wish to chime in my penny here regarding comparisons. I've been all over SEA many times and by far the hottest providers are to be found in Jakarta, hands down.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2871524]I wish to chime in my penny here regarding comparisons. I've been all over SEA many times and by far the hottest providers are to be found in Jakarta, hands down.[/QUOTE]By hottest do you mean by looks and performance or just by looks?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2871492]For accuracy, it is customary, though not compulsory, to leave the girl a 100k tip for good service. Also, most of the bars often offer two-fer deals: two girls for approximately the price of one. A guaranteed way to have a good time and save a few bucks. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, 100 k tip is the norm for good service. I remember 1 girl at Classic or Travel. I had no issues with her service. Her DFK was fantastic technique wise. Multiple positions. Shower for 2. No rush. However, I never tipped her. Her physical service was good but there was no GFE feel like you get from many Jakarta girls. She started bawling and literally sat half naked blocking the door. Was this an act? Maybe, but she wasted 15 minutes of her time blocking the door bawling as I sat there just checking my phone. Do I regret not tipping her? Looking back absolutely. If I remembered what she looked like and saw her again I would walk up to her and hand her 100 k.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2871492]most are paying of dad's gambling debts so the lender can pick the prettiest sisters.[/QUOTE]Is this really true? That's really sad if it is.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2871492]Jakarta is great but it's not user friendly for a new monger.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this if you don't have the ability to fend off very aggressive mamasans. This is a must because you can only book a girl through their mamasan. I wasn't told this on my first trip even though I went with a Jakarta "vet". I saw a very very pretty girl and told the mamasan I wanted her. Mamasan just told me she's not available. I didn't know I had to walk up to the girl and ask her who her mamasan was to book her. Lesson learned quickly. I still remember what this girl looks like she was that good looking.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2871589]

Is this really true? That's really sad if it is.

I agree with this if you don't have the ability to fend off very aggressive mamasans.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, yes it is. I won't say that all girls are indentured at Classic, Travel etc. However, it's a common path for many to enter. Then they get addicted to the money etc. It's a hard industry to break out of and return to a normal life, especially if she has no education. Blok M, BATS etc are all free agents.

On the whole newbie and language side, an English speaker can get by in Jakarta but it really is one of those places where learning a few words on Indonesian makes the world of difference.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2871524]I wish to chime in my penny here regarding comparisons. I've been all over SEA many times and by far the hottest providers are to be found in Jakarta, hands down.[/QUOTE]My name is Gentile Bear and I approve of this message!

Also. Mamasans are frantic and seem to not care about our drinks. I wanted to sit and Drink for at least 15 min before "going up". But every time they will pounce on you and try to arrange a date for you. I know it sounds un-important for point and shoot mongers. But yup yup the mamasans in Jakarta are Fierce. Since I don't speak any Bahasa and did not have my phone to attempt a translation. I just smiled and took drinks upstairs many sessions. In short. They want you to Choose The Girl within 90 seconds of entry. If this was Tijuana I would snap back in broken Spanish. But like I said, I feel intimidated since I don't know Bahasa.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2869467]Here's a video worth your time. A show inside Shooters. I don't even really like Shooters that much. In the first group. 3 do-able, 1 superstar. In the second group, black tape, most are do-able, with 3 superstars. See any Koreans in the crowd? No, not that I care. Keep telling people AC isn't worth your time. I'm counting down the days.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62t0Y-09KNA[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't go in Shooters, but I'm pretty sure this is the Miss Wolfpack beauty contest. First of all, no bar these days allows taking pictures or video inside the bar. Secondly, the girls are wearing numbers, and bargirls in AC don't wear numbers anymore. Thirdly, the customers are giving out beads as they do at the Score Birds beauty contest.

I live in the US but in the past 2 years I've been to AC ten times. Yes ten times. I'm a white guy, over 50, American. All I can say is I had a blast. As for white guys not being able to barfine in Korean bars, or girls not liking westerners, that's complete BS. I've barfined in Baccarra, Soya, SS, Camelot, Cosplay, 123, Badboy. All Korean bars. Hell, I get treated like royalty in some of them. Do I money rain, ring bells, and other stupid shit? Not usually, but I do buy a few drinks and pay barfines. I'm not really a K fan boy, (I don't really like the place) but the K managers in AC seem pretty respectful to me. As long as you spend money they won't turn you away. What they don't like is folks coming in and nursing one drink for three hours and arranging sneak outs.

Its true that AC is not cheap anymore. Barfine is 4-5 k now for LT, but that still cheaper than anywhere else I know. In Mexico that's the price for 1-2 hours.

As for spoiling girls with easy money...yes, its happening. Apparently someone walked into Q bar last week and spent 300k in one night. Yes folks, more than $5,000 US. Reported nationality? American...

The worst thing is the high airfares from the US etc to the Philipines. But you just have to suck it up. Everything has gone up since the fake pandemic.

Sure, Angeles is overflowing with Korean money but at least they are investing in the bars. If you think Angeles is bad now, imagine what it would be like without Korean money. It would be a ghost town.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2871492]
Not sure why EA is comparing was AC was to what Jakarta is now. When AC was full of fun young hotties, it was definitely available in the Jakarta bars too.

Jakarta is great but it's not user friendly for a new monger.

Apologies for continuing the off topic post.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I was just pointing out that AC was similar then to what Jakarta is now. Lots of young cute girls. You could find fresh young 18 yo for 1500 P all night and into the next day. With the BBFS thrown in, it was probably a better value than Jakarta those days (but I don't know cause I never went to Jakarta cause AC was just so damn good). But now Jakarta apparently has 20 yo hot girls for 25 bucks short time but lacks English and LT options from the bar.

My very first mongering trip was to Brazil. The second to Thailand and the third to AC. All of them solo and long before the social media, google maps / translate, smart phones and all the other tools but it was still possible to have a good time any of these places. Now given the amount of info, even a novice monger should be able to get what he wants at any SEA destination, without too much trouble.

MY friend, I agree with you and salute you. My vibe is similar while I'm in AC. I look forward to finally answering 'Yes' to the question 'You have Wolfpack? I'll be there mid December to mid January and I'm guessing I'll have a blast.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2871697]I live in the US but in the past 2 years I've been to AC ten times. Yes ten times. I'm a white guy, over 50, American. All I can say is I had a blast. As for white guys not being able to barfine in Korean bars, or girls not liking westerners, that's complete BS. I've barfined in Baccarra, Soya, SS, Camelot, Cosplay, 123, Badboy. All Korean bars. Hell, I get treated like royalty in some of them. Do I money rain, ring bells, and other stupid shit? Not usually, but I do buy a few drinks and pay barfines. I'm not really a K fan boy, (I don't really like the place) but the K managers in AC seem pretty respectful to me. As long as you spend money they won't turn you away. What they don't like is folks coming in and nursing one drink for three hours and arranging sneak outs.

Its true that AC is not cheap anymore. Barfine is 4-5 k now for LT, but that still cheaper than anywhere else I know. In Mexico that's the price for 1-2 hours.

As for spoiling girls with easy money...yes, its happening. Apparently someone walked into Q bar last week and spent 300k in one night. Yes folks, more than $5,000 US. Reported nationality? American...

The worst thing is the high airfares from the US etc to the Philipines. But you just have to suck it up. Everything has gone up since the fake pandemic.

Sure, Angeles is overflowing with Korean money but at least they are investing in the bars. If you think Angeles is bad now, imagine what it would be like without Korean money. It would be a ghost town.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2871697]I live in the US but in the past 2 years I've been to AC ten times. Yes ten times. I'm a white guy, over 50, American. All I can say is I had a blast. As for white guys not being able to barfine in Korean bars, or girls not liking westerners, that's complete BS. I've barfined in Baccarra, Soya, SS, Camelot, Cosplay, 123, Badboy. All Korean bars. Hell, I get treated like royalty in some of them. Do I money rain, ring bells, and other stupid shit? Not usually, but I do buy a few drinks and pay barfines. I'm not really a K fan boy, (I don't really like the place) but the K managers in AC seem pretty respectful to me. As long as you spend money they won't turn you away. What they don't like is folks coming in and nursing one drink for three hours and arranging sneak outs.[/QUOTE]Good report. But shhhh, don't tell what's-his-name.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2871736]I was just pointing out that AC was similar then to what Jakarta is now. Lots of young cute girls. You could find fresh young 18 yo for 1500 P all night and into the next day. With the BBFS thrown in, it was probably a better value than Jakarta those days (but I don't know cause I never went to Jakarta cause AC was just so damn good). But now Jakarta apparently has 20 yo hot girls for 25 bucks short time but lacks English and LT options from the bar.[/QUOTE]A caution. While the Classic / Travel numbers of $25-ish are being bandied about, a read back over the past few weeks Jakarta thread shows much higher numbers in pretty much all the other venues. $50 - $200 is not unusual. My understanding is that My Bar (Jalan Felatahan) is still open as a FL place, and the prices I mentioned from back in the day are now considerably higher.

[QUOTE=Setzer;2867600]I have tried controlling my budget at malio club before, only buying like maybe 5 LDs total for a dancer from 11 pm-2 am. But total damage is still pretty hefty, entrance fee + 5 LDs + my own drinks + misc tips. Think I probably spent close to [b]2 mil idr[/b]. SNIP

Unless you are going for the atmosphere, I think it makes more sense to take a malio dancer back overnight for [b]2 mil idr[/b] (negotiate direct with the dancer but she will only come to your room after she end work around 2. 30 am-3 am).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2864853]I've previously posted about hotel massages. SNIP

If the hotel has 2 or 3 converted rooms that are makeshift massage areas, no counter, no lobby, etc. , then the massage therapists are consultants from the outside world, and there's an array of services that can be had depending on your masseuse. But be warned that the price will shock you and it's seldom worth it. To give you an idea, they'll hit you for 600 k for a HJ tip. FS will easily go well into [b]1. 5 M and higher[/b] and they'll want you to not take too long.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2866133]Early this year, 2023. - stayed at JW Marriott. Definitely recommend this hotel. Decided to try massage, not expecting anything. Immediately, the girl takes towel off and became rather adventurous with her hands. Of course you have privacy in the massage cubicle, but you have to keep the noise down. Don't remember much about the massage. [b]Tip 1. 5 Juta[/b]. Never looked into possibility of room service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Caramello777;2864011]Closed on Sundays and Mondays, CJs has live entertainment. I was there in September and there is a cover band there from Canada that rocks the house Tues. Saturdays. SNIP What I can tell you is there is a fine selection of beautiful Indonesia ladies (and sometimes a European or two) there. The ratio of women-to-men is in our favor guys. Hands down! I think the ratio was 5-1 both nights I was there. The first night I walked in I was malled by two ladies within seconds. I've been at this P4P game for a while so I knew to quickly excuse myself from their presence and walk around and survey the lay of the land. The competition is very stiff for them. CJs is absolutely impressive. SNIP

[b]The first night there I chose a lady for 1. 5 million for all night. The next night I wanted 3 so I just offered them 500 k to 1 million for the hour, went upstairs, then came back down[/b].[/QUOTE]