Seeking Arrangements

Yes, GDL definitely has lot less availability on SA.

Thanks for your note MTY. I will check that city.

Let's meet in cdmx if we happen to be at CDmX at same time.

I stayed at NH collection in Centro last time. Mostly I will stick to the same unless I find any other better options.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2678077]M.

I am having great success with SA in MTY and M. City. Unfortunately it did not work that well for me in GDL. I love GDL, but was a little disappointed with the quality of the Chicas. I met some really hot girls in Tijuana from GDL, but when I arrived in GDL it was a was a let down. Great food and weather there, but for girls there are better destinations in Mxico.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2678266]Honestly, I've found that money talks.

I don't want the BS of a girl figuring out if she's down to play after coffee. That would ruin my precious night and I don't have many to spare.

So I offer a very generous arrangement. Usually 250-300 dollars in developing countries and 400-450 in developed countries. But it's for drinks / dinner and a trip back to the hotel. All or nothing. If you do drinks but no hotel I'll cover the drinks but nothing else.

I've never had to cover only the drinks.

I also weed out girls that are clearly looking for a serious benefactor. If I see pictures in front of luxury stores and posing by fancy pools with expensive sunglasses. Next.[/QUOTE]I get that. You've never left after drinks though? The second girl I met up with didn't have great photos so I wasn't sure how good she looked. Wasn't my type in person and I thought her personality was kind of off. Wouldn't have wanted to waste dinner / hotel on someone I wasn't into.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2678335]I get that. You've never left after drinks though? The second girl I met up with didn't have great photos so I wasn't sure how good she looked. Wasn't my type in person and I thought her personality was kind of off. Wouldn't have wanted to waste dinner / hotel on someone I wasn't into.[/QUOTE]No I have. But I've been a gentleman about it. In those cases I've given a generous half of the agreed upon arrangement. I've said this isn't going to work, our chemistry is not aligned, but I know you made the time for me so I'll still be happy to give you 200 dollars for your time and thank you for trying. And even then it's not all gentleman-ness. Part of it is defensive. I never want someone to complain in anger that they were harassed or something as retribution, and this is just the cost of ending things cleanly.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2678397]No I have. But I've been a gentleman about it. In those cases I've given a generous half of the agreed upon arrangement. I've said this isn't going to work, our chemistry is not aligned, but I know you made the time for me so I'll still be happy to give you 200 dollars for your time and thank you for trying. And even then it's not all gentleman-ness. Part of it is defensive. I never want someone to complain in anger that they were harassed or something as retribution, and this is just the cost of ending things cleanly.[/QUOTE]Nope! I wouldn't even do that much. I mean, I'm very clear up front that it's about drinks or dinner or whatever with no prior commitments on anybody's part (hers or mine) to do anything beyond that. I mean, what about the time you took to be there? And you're paying for whatever you drank or ate. As far as I'm concerned, that's gentlemanly enough. That pussy isn't platinum, and to be frank, my time is worth far more than hers!

What is the typical price range you pay in MTY for girl under 25?

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2678289]Yes, GDL definitely has lot less availability on SA.

Thanks for your note MTY. I will check that city.

Let's meet in cdmx if we happen to be at CDmX at same time.

I stayed at NH collection in Centro last time. Mostly I will stick to the same unless I find any other better options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2678131]I'the obviously prefer the latter but I don't see any way to determine that from chatting.[/QUOTE]I think you need more filtering questions. And as you can see from some of the other replies, it is something you will learn.

One of my favourite questions is "how is the site working out for you, tell me about the last guy you met from this site? It's a cheeky assumption that they meet others. Possible replies:

Oh, I haven't met anyone yet. (but her profiles is three years on the site). Hmm.

How dare you think I'm a prosti. (too aggressive and denial).

He was great, took me on private plane.

He was shit.

It can also be somewhat about what they don't say. Things they omit that you later realize are genuine concerns.

Would a girl that is a genuine newbie commit through Chat to meeting a stranger for dinner, sex and cash?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2678406]Nope! I wouldn't even do that much. I mean, I'm very clear up front that it's about drinks or dinner or whatever with no prior commitments on anybody's part (hers or mine) to do anything beyond that. I mean, what about the time you took to be there? And you're paying for whatever you drank or ate. As far as I'm concerned, that's gentlemanly enough. That pussy isn't platinum, and to be frank, my time is worth far more than hers![/QUOTE]That's all true and I like the approach of saying that I'm only committing to dinner or drinks and whatever happens after is fair game. But I'd be concerned that she ends it there, and I usually enter these arrangements wanting to be in total control for no other reason than my time is usually pretty limited. I don't want to waste any days. And if I decide I don't want to proceed, I have too much to lose if some off the rail girl does some crazy shit in retribution like accuse me of something.

To me this is just the price of entry for the game. I'm not really that bothered paying it so long as it's my choice.

I feel like the girls, or a lot of them, will adjust their responses according to your approach.

This time around, I've messaged girls who I messaged past time. While playing the proper sugar daddy routine. With an approach of 'I'm looking for a serious long term arrangement, with sex just being part of it' they were looking to be wined and dined. This time around, a lot of the same girls were happy at 150/200 ppm, skip the bullshit and straight to a hotel or their place.

It's like when you're on Thai Friendly or a Pina Love. All the girls are after serious relationship. But a vast majority are also up for 'St, 1500 baht / pesos, no condom and cum inside your pussy OK?

You set the tone of the communication and the girls follow your lead.

[QUOTE=GuyPerson;2676829]Visting Barcelona in May. Anybody able to shed light on what to expect in terms of ppm there?

I'd like to meet for lunch, possibly do some sight seeing then go back to her place (or maybe a short stay hotel, I'm staying at an Airbnb w / a no guest policy)..[/QUOTE]I have been in Barcelona a few times and used Seeking. The no show rate is very high so you need to do a bit of extra work and stack fall back dates. The P4 P scene is pretty much legal and the rates are super low. Like 100 or less for an hour. As a result you get quiet a varied mix on Seeking:

- Students.

- Pro's looking to get more than agency pay.

- Golden pussy.

If you are local they are generally looking for 100 - 300 ppm. For tourists PPM is typically 200 - 300 but YMMV. I chatted with a wide variety and met some at 200,300 and more. Overnight is pretty common in this rate.

When negotiating just remember a pro typically only gets 50 - 80 for an appointment so that is something you may be compared against. Many students supplemented income by working as an escort but COVID and lack of tourists stopped this. Many though meet tourists so are looking for higher rates.

Hit up Medellin and São Paulo also but didn't use seeking. If you want to see those exploits just check those forums soon.

Buenos Aires.

Buenos Aires is pretty well known to be not great for P4 P. Last time I was there I was exclusively with a Seeking Girl named Valentina and it was marvelous. So I went purely the Seeking route this time as well.

It actually can be a bit tricky the way I play it because I'm not the kinda guy who sets up redundant dates and such. I really try to be honest with the girls, including that I am only in town a couple days (usually break this news later) and so the logistics can be hard to ensure you don't end up with a date with Mr Hand. (Never have fwiw).

I started 6 weeks out. Not because that is a good idea but just because I always get excited and start browsing and one thing leads to another. I had probably 5-6 girls on pretty active chat up until about two weeks before, but let some of those fade as I focused in on two girls Becca and Lucia.

Both of these girls have GREAT English and both really fun to chat with. In the end Lucia edged out Becca by just being a bit more engaged. I think I stopped being active with Becca a few days before the trip and she was not actively courting me.

Once in town, Lucia was a bit tough to pin down on date time that evening. Got a bit worried and in fact pinged Becca that first day thinking Lucia was bagging. Becca was really nice about me springing a same day date on her but said she couldn't that first night but she could night two, so I kept this warm. I wasn't in a panic, having just banged 7 girls in Colombia (see Medellin thread soon) but I would lament an empty night nonetheless.

In the end, Lucia came through and turned out to be an amazing pick. From her pictures you could see that she was very pretty and she'the sent some unfiltered shots. Like a solid 8. But when we met at the restaurant I about dropped a load on the floor. A 10 face for me no lie. And her bod turned out to be a 9 for sure. Home run in the optics dept.

Dinner and a walk around Puerto Madero were amazing. So easy and comfortable. Two hours completely flew by! Some light kissing as the Uber arrives. Back in the room it was an OK experience but nothing to write home about. She is super beautiful but either awkward or pro trying to get straight to fucking with no BJ and really not too much effort when I went soft. 10 face 9 body and 5 in the bed. Boo a little disappointed in the end because otherwise this girl is a rockstar. But overall had a great night despite the lame sex!

We planned to meetup again the next night but I was a bit lukewarm. And she was pretty difficult about staying in touch. It wasn't clear whether we were on or off. And this was a bit of a theme with her once in town.

So about 2 Pm or so I ping Becca because Lucia is unsure. But Becca says family matters came up and she can't. At four I send Lucia a message that I want to meet her no matter what time and I can tell she's read it. No response so now onto plan see! Can't wait forever.

I start spamming all the girls I had moved to WhatApp chat but let fizzle. Probably 5-7 girls. Plus I start hitting new Seeking girls with "I going out to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" (I've used this before with success) and get 3 or 4 convos started.

But as luck would have it one of my WhatsApp girls comes back and says she'the love too. She was like number five on my list so clearly keeping a deep bench is a key strategic move. So now it's on with Meli. Woo hoo! Really quite a coup to get an 8 o'clock date at 4 o'clock! Wow. Stoked.

It turns out Meli could use a new photographer. Because she's a solid 8 with amazing natural firm the or DD cups. Beautiful face and bubbly and fun at dinner.

I feel a little bad but I use the exact same playbook as the prior night, because making reservations over the phone in Spanish is not my forte. So same restaurant leading to same walk and same Uber pickup. Dinner is quite different though because she doesn't speak a lick of English. We laugh a ton using Google translate. And her trying to say English words is nothing short of comedic. She is sooooo bad. Just literally cannot pronounce the English sounds. So fun. So much laughter and clear chemistry.

(Lucia hits me up midway through but I say I am out with colleagues.).

In the bedroom it's night and day. This girl loves to kiss, great BJ and no pillow-princess. She is very ready to rumble, submissive, and passionate.

The highlight is that I am hard to finish.

How could that be a highlight? Well after a ton of fucking I have to go pee. And when I return (pretty soft) she says "so what do you want to do". I think this is her saying "you tired me out and you didn't cum so maybe I should just go?" I have seen this once or twice. But I just say "um continuar?

Apparently that wasn't what she was saying at all! She was just asking what's my pleasure! So she gets me going and mounts up BAREBACK. Wow. She feels fucking amazing and seems to enjoy it as much as I do.

So we do some amazing fucking. LOL. Doggie, the Steve, and mish in pretty short order. Making out in mish is as usual the ticket (not all girls like this) and I pull out to shoot a few shots on her tummy which she smiles a giant smile at. Wow. That was pretty epic.

Side note: Another Seeking bareback girl!

So Buenos Aires had several great lessons to be learned. Or perhaps just reinforced:

Seeking still rocks in countries where P4 P is poor.

Starting 6 weeks out, while not recommended, has worked great several times so maybe it's not bad.

Aggressive last minute opener "I'm going out you coming" def has super high engagement rate.

Always keep the girls warm without being disingenuous. You may need them!

Girls will def see you even if they know it's only a night or two.

An 8 with a 9 performance beats a 10 with a 5 performance any day.

All in all a great time for just a two day quickie.

Do you guys who bb use prep?

Having experienced Colombia, Argentina, and Brazil, here is the summary of my dates and thoughts on the venues. Of course the summary is: if you have the coin you can get awesome girls in any of the three countries -- so long as you pick the right format for that country.

Medellin -- Primarily Facebook and Referrals.

Bella and Alejandra Duo -- Picked up at a local small club, these girls were four hours of fun and partying. The sex was just altogether OK, but having a more senior girl help coach up her younger protege on the finer points of BJ was fun. But mostly just tons of rum shots and tussi (them not me) and grinding and dancing and just having fun.

Julia -- Referral from a friend this girl is fresh and cute and built and bubbly and has the finest pussy to finger on planet earth. Her BJ is lame, but she's a nice girl and I would have repeated if I had the time.

Karen. Damn this girl has an amazing face (and good bod). She wears lots of makeup but it's working because I could look at her all day. A bit bizness-like in the bedroom, but damn she's fine. Came in Mish, which doesn't happen so often, but looking at that face. Whoa.

Kerry. Referral from a friend. Had dinner together and we just clicked chemically from the get go and I couldn't get enough. Her smile and laugh will melt you. We had amazing foreplay in the jacuzzi and the sex was just so passionate. Went touristing the next day and she helped guide me by the hand through the worst part of El Centro. Several quite nasty blocks of piss and fish smell and yikes. Plaza Botero itself is nice and feels like any city. Had an amazing pasta lunch, more amazing sex (damn the way she looks in my eyes slays me) and a mega afternoon spoon nap. I would def repeat with this girl.

Vennie Spinner. I don't even remember her name. Grabbed outside of Park Lleras. Seems so innocent but quite the little shark. Ended up haggling over condom for BJ, and other things. Basically some pretty darn good sex and a lot of arguing. Super amazing be cups on the tiniest frame you can imagine. Only bad experience in Medellin (and not completely awful on balance. She was lots of fun when we weren't arguing LOL).

Andrea. Believe another poster mentioned her. I am not usually one for sharing girls names, but if you care to dig she is a real gem. Tattooed head to toe, so if you don't like that, definite non-starter. I think they are super bad ass. And she's got a very solid woman's build -- think her ass is fake actually. So if you want a flaca look elsewhere. But if you want one of the top BJs on planet earth she's your gal. And she's sweet and passionate also. I took the upcharge and blasted twice inside 40 minutes -- and that after all the girls above in just two days. So I think that speaks to her BJ prowess.

Buenos Aries -- Seeking Arrangements Only.

Lucia. Wow this girl looks amazing. A 10 face no lie. A 9 body. Perfect English, fun to be with at dinner and walking. Just a great date. Sex pretty darn mediocre. I'd still see her again just to have that doll out with me.

Melia. We were in close chat for several weeks, but I semi-ghosted her 2 weeks out as I settled on other girls. Failed second date with Lucia (she contacted me later but it was too late) and Meli came through with 4 hours notice! Great fun date despite the language barrier. Amazing sex including swap to BBFS midway. Totally would repeat.

Sao Paulo -- Clubs.

Natalie. Scandallo. Scandallo remains amazing, but Natalie too pro for my taste. Rushed and fake. Made a mistake taking her. Guess it goes to show, the experience only works if you follow the rules. I broke several and paid the price. Still managed to squirt one out, but def not the highlight of my trip.

Maria. Damn, another keeper like Kerry. Found her at Lotus -- only four girls there, but I guess you only need one, because chemistry was off the charts from the first minute. We basically wifed up for the next two days. Amazing dinner, walks, drinks, sex. Really the whole GFE package from top to bottom.

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So what's my take on the three countries? This is all just my opinion based on quite a limited sample. YMMV.

I still think Brazil is number one if you like the face to face club scene and lots of options. Scandallo remains more pretty girls per square meter than anywhere on the planet. In comparison La Isla was distinctly lame with plastic girls and inflated prices.

Argentina is only worth a visit if you know how to navigate the Seeking Arrangements scene and enjoy the whole date experience. Top shelf girls if this is your thing and Buenos Aires is a lovely city. Very European. The Italian at Marcelo and walk after in Puerto Madero is worth the trip.

I was surprised how short and lame the BJs were in Colombia (with exception of Andrea). I found the Romanian pro girls in London and the amateur Seeking girls in the US to be decidedly better. Not sure why but it was noticeable and stood out to me.

You can find amazing real life GFE wherever you go. But it takes a bit of luck and numbers. Out of 11 girls across the three countries I found 2 girls I was happy to wife up with and another 2 who gave the in bedroom GFE we all seek. Another 5 that I was happy to have spent time with and only 2 I wished I hadn't.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2678410]What is the typical price range you pay in MTY for girl under 25?[/QUOTE]MTY $150-250, but you can negotiate for multiple sessions or overnight. No clock watching.

Mexico City $200-300.

Both places are awesome, but take some work.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2679316]Having experienced Colombia, Argentina, and Brazil, here is the summary of my dates and thoughts on the venues. Of course the summary is: if you have the coin you can get awesome girls in any of the three countries -- so long as you pick the right format for that country.

Medellin -- Primarily Facebook and Referrals.

Bella and Alejandra Duo -- Picked up at a local small club, these girls were four hours of fun and partying. The sex was just altogether OK, but having a more senior girl help coach up her younger protege on the finer points of BJ was fun. But mostly just tons of rum shots and tussi (them not me) and grinding and dancing and just having fun.[/QUOTE]Awesome summary and lot of useful information. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2679316]You can find amazing real life GFE wherever you go. But it takes a bit of luck and numbers. Out of 11 girls across the three countries I found 2 girls I was happy to wife up with and another 2 who gave the in bedroom GFE we all seek. Another 5 that I was happy to have spent time with and only 2 I wished I hadn't.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting rating system. There really are girls that we get so comfortable with so quickly. Is that a feature of them or us?