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[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1652579]Dude,

I know a girl from a soapy whose goal is to send 60000 baht back home every month and she does manages to send anywhere between 50000 to 60000.

I was falling for that cutie pie but distanced myself quickly after knowing this crazy goal.

There are many girls who fall in to this trap because of shitty family.[/QUOTE]Let's see. Assuming the goal is 55000 and she works 26 days in the month, and her own expenses are 10000 per month, she'll need to score 2500 per day. Given soapies in the main split the takings 50:50, and the prices range from 1800 to 5000, but assuming your girl is in the higher category, say 4000, since otherwise you would not have fall for her, she only need to do 1.25 jobs on average per day, or 5 jobs in 4 days. Very do-able.

Toumai

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1652696]I have known quite a few. There are huge cultural issues in Isaan. But contrast that with the rest of the country. Thailand has more female CEOs than any other nation. Women have a lot of power in this country and are getting more by the day, and really, that is not a bad thing.[/QUOTE]I love women in charge. That is why for the hell of it, if she makes it that far I will throw my vote for her Hillary Baby! Sure more CEO that any other nation but take those CEO and their power and money there is no comparison to those in the West? Are we talking and comparing Apple to Oranges? Just like Yingluck she was just a paper Tiger for the Brother all Smoke and mirror. Which one listed on the F-500?

Sure women have lots of power but if they are so powerful especially in government why is there a law on the books that prevent dead beat Thais from not paying for child support not enforced. If so powerful change it but they can't! In Bangkok once went to the Police HQ, saw for the first time many Thai police women but none out on the streets just doing desk work? The men run this country will continue they still have the mentality that women will never be equal!

Goatscrot, I disagree only because we experience and seen different things but I respect and very interested in your point of view it is a education that there is another side.

I know one TG who is quite successful with farangs.

Her service level is tops and over the years she was.

Able to buy a house for her mom and son upcountry.

Then her mom gambled away the home in less than.

A month. This poor girl now has to do it all over again.

But she is 32 now and may not be able to repeat.

So sad the tight bonds of family combined with many.

In the family drunk, drugged, lazy, or foolish.

And the daughters have to pay for it.

A very sad situation for so many of these sweet girls.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1652518]In stating what the "main" reasons are, that already implied there are other reasons, if you understand English & have it as a first language. As for the sex trade profession, girls don't have to do any of the things you listed & can still work in PFP.

There are various safeguards a working girl can use to make herself extremely safe from violence. I see TGs using them regularly. No doubt many TGs feel safer with a farang customer than the large percentage of Thai BFs who drink, gamble, cheat or use drugs. Or the taxi driver who takes her home after work. So overall from your response I suspect you, too, have been subject to religious or cultural brainwashing re sex work.

The Thais may be less hung up about PFP & have a higher number of PFP gals per capita than anywhere else in the world. That makes LOS one of the top destinations for this hobby & should continue to do so for many years to come.[/QUOTE]What weird Disney world are you living in? Various safeguards to make herself extremely safe from violence? Please tell me what a poor uneducated girl from a completely different culture is suppose to do in order to know whether that guy who just asked the mamasan to barfine her is a potential danger? Or a guy who walks up to her on the street and says "how much for short time?" Does she do a quick physiological examination to size him up. Does she run an internet background check on him? Does she refuse to go with him until he provides her with references from previous bar girls he has been out with? Every time a girl goes with a customer that she doesn't know she is running a potential risk and they know this. I can't think of any girl that I have gotten to know really well who hasn't told me of a few bad experiences with customers that entailed violence or threatened violence. I really get this feeling from comments that you make that you think these girls are living a Mary Poppins existence. They are not. It is full of danger, full of heartbreak, full of loneliness. Check around and see how many of these girls have scars on their wrists from razor cutting. Or are on Yabba to get through the night.

Most of these girls form deep friendships with their co-workers. This is their support system. It is what gets them through the tough times. But it comes at a price because it inevitably leads to lots of drinking and very often drugs. Those two substances and shared experiences bind a lot of these girls together for life. Obviously the bar system in place that incentivizes girls to drink, ie drink quotas, leads to even more drinking on the parts of the girls. So to say that girls should just safeguard themselves and stay away from drinking and drugs and bad customers is incredibly nave. I understand that most customers don't want to know any of this in the same way we don't want to know how our food ends up on our plate. We want a friendly smile, a little chatter and some fun in the room and that is fine. You pay your money and you should get your what you want like with any other commodity. When we don't we get pissed off and complain.

As to my English. I am sure it could be better but let me tell you more clearly why I was so offended by your statement. The term "brainwashing" is obviously meant in a pejorative sense. So to state that the main reason girls in Thailand don't want to become prostitutes is due to religious and cultural brainwashing is to infer that this is a bad thing. No doubt you would prefer a society where prostituting yourself is viewed as a positive moral self-enhancing activity. Maybe a country where every girl should go through a tour of duty as a prostitute for a few years. And like it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1652699]Family oriented? I would say well on the surface, but how family oriented is it when the moms and pops send their young daughters off to the P4 P industry at a young age?[/QUOTE]Exactly 100 percent of the PFP TGs who have spoken to me on the subject of supporting their family say they send them money. The topic comes up quite frequently with many of them. OTOH I've never had a Western SP once say such a thing. So Thai SP's seem much more family dedicated. It appears to be constantly on their minds & what motivates them. Even if they marry a farang, their Thai family is still number one.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1652699]If you would do a little research you would also find that Thailand does not have the most P4 P girls per capita.[/QUOTE]That would be pointless since the estimated numbers vary for Thai prostitutes. The country is well known as the brothel of the world. Whether LOS is number one or number two would not change my point, either, that PFP has a long & bright future in the Kingdom. So the outlook is excellent for those who consider it their go to place to visit or live.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1652701]Sorry I have to disagree with you about this? And I have the greatest respect for your point of view but here is how I see it from my experience and I recently had this discussion on another board with a foreigner a Lawyer who comes to Bangkok to work a month at a time? As far as I know and you might be the one to educate me but as far as I know Bangkok the capital is the only city in Thailand of it's kind? Bangkok as I know it is just a minority compare to the rest of the country. When you talk about the standard of living etc. It is a exception to the rule because the rest of the country does not provide the same wages or the type of jobs Bangkok offers?

They all care about their children but the poor seem to care in a different way? Outside of Bangkok is where the masses live Bangkok can only provide so many jobs for the country and Bangkok school system with their many International schools is way different the majority of the country too? The public school system is a sham and this point of view comes from their own scholars and has been recently written about in the Bangkok Post. Based on that although the numbers have decline there will always be a flow of P4 P because the masses are outside of Bangkok. This is a country of have and have nots and the majority are Nots!

I recently had a discussion in Pattaya with a Lawyer from England who was visiting Pattaya with his Thai lawyer co-worker pretty much about what we are discussing here who I met online and agree to meet him. He said after hearing what I had to say should look for a better class of Thais? I was thinking to myself this sounds like it is coming from two guys who think their shit doesn't stink? The Thai guy disagree with much of what I had to say. He said pretty much what you said and the Brit agree. The Thai guy came from a pretty good family with money and the Brit comes pretty much like he was on holiday see what the Thai guy takes him to see in my book the good part of Thailand. I said to the both of them have you guys ever slept in a room without A/C see, can you squak to take a shit like a real Thai, have you ever been up country and eaten with a family that lives in on a farm bugs all over your food and mosquitoes everywhere. The Thai guy didn't answer which was a no to me? The Brit of course no he saw only what the co-workers wanted him to see which was the good life of Thailand while he visited.

I basically told both of them if anyone needed to find a wider swath of people it was them! To the Thai guy I might be more Thai than you? The standard in Bangkok and people to me at least are not the rule of thumb?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words!

I would say Isaan is the exception. The NE has its own culture, as does the and, S, and Center.

You see very few working girls from the South. Why not? Because the families do all they can to see that there kiddos get an education. It is becoming quite similar in the NE The model that you see and hear about in the gogos is predominately associated with the NE. I would agree 100% that there is a lot of that behavior there.

Also when it comes to "sin sot," or bride price. In most places in the country the money is put away for the gal in case there is a problem with the marriage or is returned to the couple after the wedding. It is pretty much only among the poor where it is squandered by the bride's family.

Median income has doubled here in the last 10 years. Doubled. That is a big increase and changes have occurred because of it.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1652713]I love women in charge. That is why for the hell of it, if she makes it that far I will throw my vote for her Hillary Baby! Sure more CEO that any other nation but take those CEO and their power and money there is no comparison to those in the West? Are we talking and comparing Apple to Oranges? Just like Yingluck she was just a paper Tiger for the Brother all Smoke and mirror. Which one listed on the F-500?

Sure women have lots of power but if they are so powerful especially in government why is there a law on the books that prevent dead beat Thais from not paying for child support not enforced. If so powerful change it but they can't! In Bangkok once went to the Police HQ, saw for the first time many Thai police women but none out on the streets just doing desk work? The men run this country will continue they still have the mentality that women will never be equal!

Goatscrot, I disagree only because we experience and seen different things but I respect and very interested in your point of view it is a education that there is another side.[/QUOTE]Ever see who controls the purse strings in a Chinese family? The political arena will be the last to change, but it will. And methinks those changes are not that far off. As I stated there are more women CEOs here than in any other country. Women outnumber men in Unis as well. The men have a very rude awakening coming.

And I like them in charge as well!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1652799]Ever see who controls the purse strings in a Chinese family? The political arena will be the last to change, but it will. And methinks those changes are not that far off. As I stated there are more women CEOs here than in any other country. Women outnumber men in Unis as well. The men have a very rude awakening coming.

And I like them in charge as well![/QUOTE]Sure I see I'm Chinese! But as a Chinese I also know that the man gives them this responsibility as it was done in my family but then the men goes out to do their thing? The greatest example I know while growing up is my family in Hong Kong, while the women took care of the household and kids and finances for the home everyone of my cousins had mistresses! To me it doesn't matter how many women outnumber the men in Thailand they still do not control what is necessary to change the system. For every CEO women that is married the man most likely has even more and certain more power! Why would a CEO women want a hamburger for a husband isn't it majority of the time about reaching higher? I make a uneducated guess that these CEO women come from family of have's, how many of them come from the rags to riches like in countries like for example USA The have's continue to have and the have not's continue to have not!

I just read a article on Thaivisa saying that in the Emerging countries Thailand has slipped and now there are only 3 Universities on the list when they use to be five?

Sure we talk about changes but like I said the mass population is outside of Bangkok, and although less P4 P as you guys talk about in Bangkok, I believe it has just gone underground? In Pattaya, regardless of how much is spoken about quality it seems the little head is doing the talking because how does looks have anything to do with whether the economy is doing better? So only pretty young girls are benefiting from the better economy so they do not have to sell their bodies? This is the same nonsense I hear that all the pretty girls are in Bangkok? Like Pattaya has a lock on ugly? Maybe you guys who holiday here think this but living here there is a constant flow of young and old girls coming never a shortage!

The education system are light years away from Korea, Japan, and even China I've been to all three when their economy was like Thailand but they change it and now the women are just like the one's in the USA Take no shit and know you want a divorce expect to get taken to the cleaners until that happens in Thailand women no matter how many women CEO will be second class to the men. This point I make is exactly why Koreans and Japanese come to Thailand and spend what they want because like us they want the GFE, they want to be in control and not controlled! We in the West do it too with the exception we want to pay less for it!

My cousins use to tell me you come to Hong Kong each summer to visit have fun we will show and take you to get your rocks off but do not get hitch to a Hong Kong girl because you will get a ear full at home just like the Chinese girls will give you in the USA Thai and Asian men are all alike in SEA? Thailand although changing more so in Bangkok it is not changing fast enough outside and personally it will not happen in my life time but I do expect prices will rise it never stays the same!

[QUOTE=Carpediemyes;1652768]I know one TG who is quite successful with farangs.

Then her mom gambled away the home in less than. [/QUOTE]So sad but true, and not just in Thailand. I saw a program a few months ago about Filipino workers who work overseas, not just in the P4 P industry but as singers, on ship, etc. One girl had been working as a singer for 8 years, sending back money for here future. When she returned home she found that her family had sold her car and gambled / drunk the rest of her money. She was worse off than when she left.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1652826]Sure I see I'm Chinese! But as a Chinese I also know that the man gives them this responsibility as it was done in my family but then the men goes out to do their thing? The greatest example I know while growing up is my family in Hong Kong, while the women took care of the household and kids and finances for the home everyone of my cousins had mistresses! To me it doesn't matter how many women outnumber the men in Thailand they still do not control what is necessary to change the system. For every CEO women that is married the man most likely has even more and certain more power! Why would a CEO women want a hamburger for a husband isn't it majority of the time about reaching higher? I make a uneducated guess that these CEO women come from family of have's, how many of them come from the rags to riches like in countries like for example USA The have's continue to have and the have not's continue to have not!

I just read a article on Thaivisa saying that in the Emerging countries Thailand has slipped and now there are only 3 Universities on the list when they use to be five?

Sure we talk about changes but like I said the mass population is outside of Bangkok, and although less P4 P as you guys talk about in Bangkok, I believe it has just gone underground? In Pattaya, regardless of how much is spoken about quality it seems the little head is doing the talking because how does looks have anything to do with whether the economy is doing better? So only pretty young girls are benefiting from the better economy so they do not have to sell their bodies? This is the same nonsense I hear that all the pretty girls are in Bangkok? Like Pattaya has a lock on ugly? Maybe you guys who holiday here think this but living here there is a constant flow of young and old girls coming never a shortage!

The education system are light years away from Korea, Japan, and even China I've been to all three when their economy was like Thailand but they change it and now the women are just like the one's in the USA Take no shit and know you want a divorce expect to get taken to the cleaners until that happens in Thailand women no matter how many women CEO will be second class to the men. This point I make is exactly why Koreans and Japanese come to Thailand and spend what they want because like us they want the GFE, they want to be in control and not controlled! We in the West do it too with the exception we want to pay less for it!

My cousins use to tell me you come to Hong Kong each summer to visit have fun we will show and take you to get your rocks off but do not get hitch to a Hong Kong girl because you will get a ear full at home just like the Chinese girls will give you in the USA Thai and Asian men are all alike in SEA? Thailand although changing more so in Bangkok it is not changing fast enough outside and personally it will not happen in my life time but I do expect prices will rise it never stays the same![/QUOTE]I would imagine they do all come from not just the "haves," but the mega haves! True on that.

I also agree that in many ways Thailand risks being trounced by its neighbors if it does not get it together soon. Neighboring nations are improving their educational system and making it easier for foreign business. Here it is the opposite. Back to indoctrination and tightening the Foreign Business Act.

I do think that Thai women are able to assume positions of power and still keep their femininity. In most nations that is not the case.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1652776]Various safeguards to make herself extremely safe from violence? Please tell me what a poor uneducated girl from a completely different culture is suppose to do in order to know whether that guy who just asked the mamasan to barfine her is a potential danger? Or a guy who walks up to her on the street and says "how much for short time?" Does she do a quick physiological examination to size him up. Does she run an internet background check on him? Does she refuse to go with him until he provides her with references from previous bar girls he has been out with? Every time a girl goes with a customer that she doesn't know she is running a potential risk and they know this. I can't think of any girl that I have gotten to know really well who hasn't told me of a few bad experiences with customers that entailed violence or threatened violence.[/QUOTE]The safeguards I referred to have very little if anything to do with evaluating the customer as a potential threat, though girls can avoid obvious bad apples like drunks, drug users, the foul mouthed, & etc with ease. If you were at all familiar with the business you would know what these safeguards are.

In hundreds of sessions I've never heard of a girl telling me about any violence from a Western customer. Though quite a few have spoken of TGs who married them. At a much higher rate the violence comes from Thai BFs and motorbike accidents. It's no wonder so many TGs prefer farang company over Thais. As a group we treat them to a much better time, don't demand unsafe sex & actually give them money rather than taking it away, LOL.

These TGs are smarter & happier than Western females who keep giving it up for nothing. Unlike feminists back in farangland they know how to treat a guy, so it works out beautifully for both parties.

"Every time a girl goes with a customer that she doesn't know she is running a potential risk and they know this. ".

I'm sure she knows there is a risk riding on a motorbike or taking a Thai BF too. I've often seen their scars that prove it. If you join the army or police force for very low pay there is potential danger too. There are risks in many types of jobs.

Planning a trip to Bangkok by end of this month. Purely for mongering. I shall be staying in Sukhumvit area within walking distance from Nana Plaza. Can anyone guide me to the top class gogo bars around the area? I am not much interested in ladyboys but don't mind a one off experience. Also can someone tell me the name of place for soapy massage other than Annies, where you get to choose pretty young girls?

Cheers. MG.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1652860]Planning a trip to Bangkok by end of this month. Purely for mongering. I shall be staying in Sukhumvit area within walking distance from Nana Plaza. Can anyone guide me to the top class gogo bars around the area? I am not much interested in ladyboys but don't mind a one off experience. Also can someone tell me the name of place for soapy massage other than Annies, where you get to choose pretty young girls?

Cheers. MG.[/QUOTE]Nataree, Poseidon, Emmanuel. Loads of soapy's in Huai Khwang.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1652579]Dude,

I know a girl from a soapy whose goal is to send 60000 baht back home every month and she does manages to send anywhere between 50000 to 60000.

I was falling for that cutie pie but distanced myself quickly after knowing this crazy goal.

There are many girls who fall in to this trap because of shitty family.[/QUOTE]Must admit I was going into the same lane.

She looked like a great Catch but after finding out she needed 50000 Baht for family every month I pulled away.

She even pay for the family's car that she did buy for them and she don't even know how to drive. Her family can drive a very beautiful new car now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1652699]If you would do a little research you would also find that Thailand does not have the most P4 P girls per capita.[/QUOTE]This is true, but Thailand is unique in that it used to have high amounts of open-ended prostitution, not just transactional prostitution which is common all over the world.

In the open-ended arrangement, the working girls going with men while looking for sponsors, and engaging in relationships of highly variable duration (from a day to years), financial and emotional components. The more common, transactional model is simply turning tricks, and while service quality might range from an unfriendly quickie to a spectacular oily (Tulip) session, the format and benefits (for both sides) are fixed.

There is an ancient (mid 1990's), but solid analysis of the two: [URL]http://goo.gl/TYa5ls[/URL].

While other countries might have more prostitutes per capita, Thailand is unique in that it had the vast open-ended scene (in addition to The Philippines, perhaps), but these days it's disappearing, girls find it more profitable to turn over several short-times per night than to engage in a long-time, hoping to snatch some more extensive and longer lasting benefits.