Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Margaya;1653430]I was shocked to notice a decline of as much as 90%, at certain times, in number of freelancers on sukumvit road during latest trip in Nov. And this is just FLS, not doables. It has certainly left me very uneasy and put a huge question mark whether it will be worth flying to Thhailand in future, considering the time money and effort involved in travelling more than half the planet.

So the question is what other alternatives can be used to increase number of freelancer encounters. I am familiar with cowboy and nana bars. Know biere garten and massage parlours etc. But is that all?

Are there any bars in BKK similar to what Pattaya has on soi 6 and beach road where one can easily bar fine a cutie or two?

By the way, if anyone is on the ground in sukhumvit, are things improving now that it is high season?[/QUOTE]I was reminded yesterday of another reason why the FL numbers are declining in Thailand. Some are going out of country to work where the rewards are potentially much higher. A friend who I have known for close to 5 years told me that she is going with a another FL friend to work in Malaysia for 2 months. It is her first try out of country but nearly every FL that I know well has given it a go and some do it on a regular basis to either Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan and even to Bahrain. A few have come back with empty pockets but a few others have come back loaded to the gills with cash. Those ones spread the word. Three girls I know well who used to do the Nana Parking Lot made so much money over a couple of years that they have quit the sex trade, moved back home and opened businesses. Good for them. That was always their goal.

As to the FL scene around Sukhumvit and soi 4 right now it is very hit and miss. Mainly miss. The cops have been out a few nights in force to harass them and also to bumble around the Plaza checking for the age of the girls, murderers and nationality ids. Many nights I have walked through the area and seen but a handful of girls but then on occasion I have seen up to 20 or so in the Parking Lot, another 15 up or down soi 4 and a few on Sukhumvit. Lower Sukhumvit has pretty much been taken over by the African women till you get to around Thermae where a few Thai fls hang out. Among all of these of course are plenty of LB's. As to quality, probably pretty much what you saw in November.

Discos are really where the FL scene has moved to. But even those have changed as they can no longer stay open legally till 6 am. Most are shutting down between 2-3 am. Still plenty of time to find a girl though. But generally more expensive then their street sisters and a door charge as well.

"Are there any bars in BKK similar to what Pattaya has on soi 6 and beach road where one can easily bar fine a cutie or two?

Not really clear what you mean by that. Nothing like soi 6 other than a few BJ bars but there are many beer bars where girls can be barfined on soi 4.

As to whether its worthwhile coming halfway around the world to Thailand; of course it is. It's Thailand! And it's warm and sunny.

Crazy House had many good looking slim girls Saturday night. Big contrast from Thursday. I was just window shopping. Chatted to front of house girl Naen who is quite bubbly in character.

Heard that one guy (Korean) paid a fee of 15000 for one girl which gives him special rights to take her with paying any bar fines any day. That girl is no longer dancing nude but stays clothed. Maybe has become another PR girl. Seems very cheap fee assuming he will take the girl very often. Described as a "boyfriend".

[QUOTE=Margaya;1653430]I was shocked to notice a decline of as much as 90%, at certain times, in number of freelancers on sukumvit road during latest trip in Nov. And this is just FLS, not doables. It has certainly left me very uneasy and put a huge question mark whether it will be worth flying to Thhailand in future, considering the time money and effort involved in travelling more than half the planet.

So the question is what other alternatives can be used to increase number of freelancer encounters. I am familiar with cowboy and nana bars. Know biere garten and massage parlours etc. But is that all?[/QUOTE]Just the bars in Soi Cowboy and Nana and its surrounding area will yield you so many possible encounters, you will be embarassed for choice already. Maybe they will not all be FL girls but a-gogo or bargirls, but what's the difference? Once she's in your room and her clothes come off, she'll provide the same service.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1653592]Heard that one guy (Korean) paid a fee of 15000 for one girl which gives him special rights to take her with paying any bar fines any day. That girl is no longer dancing nude but stays clothed. Maybe has become another PR girl. Seems very cheap fee assuming he will take the girl very often. Described as a "boyfriend".[/QUOTE]What a nutcake. No wonder the scene is no fun. These turds have really thrown a wrench in things. BKK was great when it was Western mongers and a few Japanese. I hear the Koreans are making a mess of Angeles as well. They sure screw and skew the market.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1653360]I've heard stories of violence to other girls from certain nationalities, but never from a Westerner, Korean or Japanese, etc. [/QUOTE]What a stupid racist statement. Does murder count as violence for you? Here's a recent one, apparently committed by a Westerner: [URL]http://goo.gl/yTl8El[/URL].

Not sure about the Japanese, but Koreans have a reputation in Angeles City for treating girls roughly.

Thanks for the detailed response.

I have heard exactly same answer from another long time BKK resident. FLs are skipping sukhumvit road and moving to discos.

"there are many beer bars where girls can be barfined on soi 4. ".

If possible please let me know names of some bars to start with.

I have seen hundreds of beer bars in Pattaya but somwhow in BKK, saw only a go gos in nana and soi cowboy. May be I am missing something.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1653549]I was reminded yesterday of another reason why the FL numbers are declining in Thailand. Some are going out of country to work where the rewards are potentially much higher. A friend who I have known for close to 5 years told me that she is going with a another FL friend to work in Malaysia for 2 months. It is her first try out of country but nearly every FL that I know well has given it a go and some do it on a regular basis to either Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan and even to Bahrain. A few have come back with empty pockets but a few others have come back loaded to the gills with cash. Those ones spread the word. Three girls I know well who used to do the Nana Parking Lot made so much money over a couple of years that they have quit the sex trade, moved back home and opened businesses. Good for them. That was always their goal.

As to the FL scene around Sukhumvit and soi 4 right now it is very hit and miss. Mainly miss. The cops have been out a few nights in force to harass them and also to bumble around the Plaza checking for the age of the girls, murderers and nationality ids. Many nights I have walked through the area and seen but a handful of girls but then on occasion I have seen up to 20 or so in the Parking Lot, another 15 up or down soi 4 and a few on Sukhumvit. Lower Sukhumvit has pretty much been taken over by the African women till you get to around Thermae where a few Thai fls hang out. Among all of these of course are plenty of LB's. As to quality, probably pretty much what you saw in November.

Discos are really where the FL scene has moved to. But even those have changed as they can no longer stay open legally till 6 am. Most are shutting down between 2-3 am. Still plenty of time to find a girl though. But generally more expensive then their street sisters and a door charge as well.

"Are there any bars in BKK similar to what Pattaya has on soi 6 and beach road where one can easily bar fine a cutie or two?

Not really clear what you mean by that. Nothing like soi 6 other than a few BJ bars but there are many beer bars where girls can be barfined on soi 4.

As to whether its worthwhile coming halfway around the world to Thailand; of course it is. It's Thailand! And it's warm and sunny.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1653617]What a stupid racist statement. Does murder count as violence for you? Here's a recent one, apparently committed by a Westerner: [URL]http://goo.gl/yTl8El[/URL].

Not sure about the Japanese, but Koreans have a reputation in Angeles City for treating girls roughly.[/QUOTE]It's not racist, though quite hilarious to read that in light of your comment about Koreans in AC.

As for murder you should have kept reading what I posted immediately following the portion you quoted:

"I've heard stories of violence to other girls from certain nationalities, but never from a Westerner, Korean or Japanese, etc. Not that it doesn't happen, but is extremely rare. ".

It's no secret that a large percentage of Thai PFP gals prefer not to go with certain nationalities & the reasons why. That's simply factual scientific information, nothing to do with racism. I wonder if some people think if you just mention any specific race it's racism, no matter what you say about the particular race. They should look up the meaning of the word. Is it racism to say Koreans have shorter dicks than Americans? No. Is it racism to say that in my experience Thai women have been nicer than American feminazis? No.

In this dream, I spend two nights in BKK on my way to Bali, I have been in BKK about 4 years ago, so a two days trip only give.

Me Adeline on how things are and in no way can be 100% accurate.

Like many people have said before now you can see more Arabs, Indians and Africans than four years ago. Don't want to sound racist as I'm not, but not the best representation of those ethnicities, no wonder Thais starting to dislike foreigners.

Regarding the girls I made the rounds on many massage parlors around and competring to 4 years ago the quality of the girls is so much worse. After 30 hours of travel, the first night in BKK I chose one massage girls close to my Hotel President Grande which by the way is girl friendly and nice for the price with a good size pool that can be used for excise.

I took the girl to the hotel, the girl first provide regular massage and then ask if I want more, I was very tired because of the trip and we settled for 2500 , I know I overpaid but we agreed to GFE and she complied. The girls had a nice face but mother body.

Next day was looking for more but all the girls seemed hardcore for my taste so I didn't do anything else, went to a legit thai massage and ate thai food and that was good for me. Also meet at tagged girl, we went for dinner but she didn't want to to do anything else so I said OK enough from BKK lets get ready for Bali. Look for my report.

Conclusion, traveling 30 hours from the USA Just to go mongering in Thailand is no longer attractive, better go to central and South America.

And then I wake up in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1653654] ...

I have heard exactly same answer from another long time BKK resident. FLs are skipping sukhumvit road and moving to discos.
"there are many beer bars where girls can be barfined on soi 4. ".
If possible please let me know names of some bars to start with.
I have seen hundreds of beer bars in Pattaya but somwhow in BKK, saw only a go gos in nana and soi cowboy. May be I am missing something.[/QUOTE]Walk down soi 4 and you will find a lot of bars. Right as you walk past the entrance to the Nana gogos there are about 8-10 beer bars. Keep walking and you will find plenty more on both sides of the street. Walk down about 200-300 meters.

There are also more bars to have fun on Soi 18 and Sukhumvit (not far from Soi Cowboy).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1653601]Just the bars in Soi Cowboy and Nana and its surrounding area will yield you so many possible encounters, you will be embarassed for choice already. Maybe they will not all be FL girls but a-gogo or bargirls, but what's the difference? Once she's in your room and her clothes come off, she'll provide the same service.[/QUOTE]What's the difference? The price for a start. And hunting FL girls is so much more fun and the reward can be so much better compared to hunting (yawn) agogo and bar girls. But that's a matter of taste of course.

And yes, they all provide the same service. It can be good, mediocre or bad LOL!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1653714]I wonder if some people think if you just mention any specific race it's racism, no matter what you say about the particular race. They should look up the meaning of the word. Is it racism to say Koreans have shorter dicks than Americans?[/QUOTE]Of course it is not racism. They are of exactly the same race: all humans!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1653889]What's the difference? The price for a start.[/QUOTE]Watch out, you may get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1653889]And hunting FL girls is so much more fun and the reward can be so much better compared to hunting (yawn) agogo and bar girls.[/QUOTE]I rather spend my time in making love. Trawling the discos is such a bother.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1653889]But that's a matter of taste of course.[/QUOTE]The Buddha be praised we don't all have the same tastes. Let's divide the world between us: you get the disco's, I get the a-gogo clubs!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1653889]And yes, they all provide the same service. It can be good, mediocre or bad LOL![/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1653714]. Is it racism to say Koreans have shorter dicks than Americans? No.[/QUOTE]Not that I disagree with your post generally, but I don't think this example makes your point. It depends on the context of a statement like this. For example, if every time someone is asked what they think of Koreans they respond "they have shorter dicks than Americans," yes that would be racist because while factual on average, it is meant to also be disparaging. It also would be racist if a Korean and American got into a verbal fight, and the American said "you know, your people have shorter dicks than my people. " On the other hand, if you were in the R&D department of Trojan condoms, and were in charge of their expansion into Korea, it would be a neutral relevant fact that Koreans have shorter dicks than Americans.

Just a long way of saying you could choose a better example and one that does not depend so much on context.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1653430]I was shocked to notice a decline of as much as 90%, at certain times, in number of freelancers on sukumvit road during latest trip in Nov. And this is just FLS, not doables. It has certainly left me very uneasy and put a huge question mark whether it will be worth flying to Thhailand in future, considering the time money and effort involved in travelling more than half the planet.[/QUOTE]Traveling more than half the planet is a bit of an oxymoron. Next time just head in the opposite direction!

Yes I also witnessed the shocking decline in the Nana area FL action last month. The Nana Hotel put tables along the sidewalk on their driveway, and kind of sectioned off the Soi 4 sidewalk in front of their Nana Hotel sign. They also seemed to have an employee assigned to shoe the girls away if they attempted to stand in the driveway or the parking lot. Of course some girls did not get the memo and were persistent so sometimes there was a handful or so instead of what used to be dozens and dozens. The quality has also suffered proportionally. Friday and Saturday nights remain the best times to shop.

The Sukhumvit SW group seemed to have mostly settled around the McDonalds at Suk 5, but it is a tired group during the day and LB central after dark.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1653527]Social media like Facebook, Tango, Tagged, DateInAsia etcetera.
I don't have much experience with this yet as I've only very recently started using it but there has been some positive reports here.[/QUOTE]I think the cost for these social media ladies will be higher than a SW as they are computer savvy (educated) and functionally on call to your convenience.

SL.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1653430]I was shocked to notice a decline of as much as 90%, at certain times, in number of freelancers on sukumvit road during latest trip in Nov. And this is just FLS, not doables. It has certainly left me very uneasy and put a huge question mark whether it will be worth flying to Thhailand in future, considering the time money and effort involved in travelling more than half the planet.

So the question is what other alternatives can be used to increase number of freelancer encounters. I am familiar with cowboy and nana bars. Know biere garten and massage parlours etc. But is that all?

Are there any bars in BKK similar to what Pattaya has on soi 6 and beach road where one can easily bar fine a cutie or two?

By the way, if anyone is on the ground in sukhumvit, are things improving now that it is high season?[/QUOTE]Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I was there last year in Dec and found Bier Garten empty at 11 pm. And I am alarmed this is still the case through the next year when my vacation is due next month. From BKK to Patong to Lanta, the availability of quality FL gals was so scarce, I spent two out of every five nights (or almost half actually) without a gal even though I had money to spend on an LT every single day. This time I am going all out on the afternoon soapies and have very low expectations about finding a great looking FL for LT. Prolly my last visit to TH.

PP rocks!! Next year on it is two trips a year to the PP. I think I'll just forget about revisiting TH after this latest trip.

P.