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[QUOTE=Steve7777;1654935]A booming thai economy doesn't explain the lack of new girls prostituting themselves. Do these village girls all of a sudden have the education and skills to work for decent wages for a multi-national company.
It takes years for village people to become employable at even the median wages level.[/QUOTE]Steve, yes it does. A gal can get a job in a restaurant and make a living now.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1654916]This whole house of cards, from start to finish, falls with the erroneous statement in your first sentence.
"The population of Thailand is approximately 67.5 million people, with an annual growth rate of about 0. 3 percent. In addition to Thai, it includes ethnic Chinese, Malay, Lao, Burma, Cambodia, and Indians, among others. According to 2010 decennial census, it revealed a population of 65,981,600 (up from 60,916,441 in 2000)".
The statement also fails to take into account the declining death rate of female children, teens & adults due to advances in science & medicine as regards HIV, care at birth, etc. Greater problems with health can mean greater numbers of females who rule out sex work due to their conditions.
Moreover your comment doesn't consider that what is significant to the sex trade market in LOS, particularly to foreigners, is not so much the overall birth rate as the rate in certain areas from which the sex workers mostly come from, not, for examples, Bangkok or the Muslim dominated.[/QUOTE]Sigh. Google Thailand population pyramid and you will see that it inverted in 97. This is an aging population. The birth rate has been declining for years. In less than 40 years the country will have twice the number of seniors than it has kids.
Also, have you been to Isaan lately? Do you have any idea how fast it is developing? Seen what land values have done in the last 5 years in the North East? Kids are starting to stay put in provinces like KK and Udon because there is far more opportunity.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1654885]The url does not even show what the rate was for the years 2013 and 2014. And here is what I actually said, rather than your distortion:
The "Thai birth rate has not been declining nearly so much in recent years & has remained rather constant of late. Where it will go in the future, whether higher or lower, is unknown. ".
The chart shows exactly that, from 2010 to 2012, namely what I said above. From 2010 to 2011, for example, there was virtually no change at all. From 2011 to 2012 the drop was much less than almost every year since 2000. So you are simply wrong as to the facts, as shown by your own source. Your chart clearly shows the rate almost flat lining since 2010.[/QUOTE]Its declining. People are living longer. It is an aging society.
[QUOTE=Tombobb;1654763]I met a girl named Beem when I was in Bangkok last September. She was a SW working in front of the Starbucks on sukhumvit. Seemed to only to work before 3:00 pm. She is about 5'-2", tanned skin, tatoo on her left front hip, about a 6" vertical cesarean scar on her abdomen, smallish breasts and and a very pretty face. [/QUOTE]As others pointed out, some freelancers keep up their habits (time / place of work) for years. Even if that's not the case, the lower Sukhumvit red light zone is not that large and the number of venues is finite. If you take a few days to snoop around, you might find her, if indeed she's still working. Do you have her photo by any chance? Might help if you intend to ask around (although the outcome of doing that is unpredictable).
[QUOTE=Tombobb;1654763]I met a girl named Beem when I was in Bangkok last September. She was a SW working in front of the Starbucks on sukhumvit. Seemed to only to work before 3:00 pm. She is about 5'-2", tanned skin, tatoo on her left front hip, about a 6" vertical cesarean scar on her abdomen, smallish breasts and and a very pretty face. Not much of a description, I know, but if anybody can help me find her, I would be grateful. I know I should have got her phone #, but didn't think I was coming back to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Several of us were reminiscing last night about Chong Ping and Dongguan before the crackdown. Almost none of the WGs there were mothers. Why? Because the Chinese guys would not take gals with baby drag on them. Sure wish it was that way here in LOS. Never has been sadly.
I was wondering what percentage of (mongering) farangs come to LOS from different countries? USA and Europe vs lets say from UK and Australia etc?
Does anyone have any idea?
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1654953]Sorry, I meant to say most EXPERIENCED LOS mongers. Clearly we all need to comport ourselves within our own comfort level. If its that difficult for you and it matters that much then you are wise to err on the conservative side and I commend you on your restraint.[/QUOTE]I am an experienced LOS and other SE Asian countries monger, LOL!
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655139]Several of us were reminiscing last night about Chong Ping and Dongguan before the crackdown. Almost none of the WGs there were mothers. Why? Because the Chinese guys would not take gals with baby drag on them. Sure wish it was that way here in LOS. Never has been sadly.[/QUOTE]I heard about Chang Ping and Dongguan and the crackdown. Are those places still worth visiting post crackdown or is there not enough action there now?
A real crackdown could happen in Thailand but I think we are a decade or two from seeing it.
[QUOTE=Allover;1655205]I heard about Chang Ping and Dongguan and the crackdown. Are those places still worth visiting post crackdown or is there not enough action there now?
A real crackdown could happen in Thailand but I think we are a decade or two from seeing it.[/QUOTE]From what I hear it ain't like it was. Might not ever be again. Korea used to have one of the most vibrant scenes in Asia. New Years Day before the olympics they swooped in and shut it all down. The Mayor of Manila closed most of the naughty bars in Manila. It is a shadow of its former self. So will it happen in BKK? One would think at some point it will. But when? That is the question isn't it!
[QUOTE=Margaya;1655152]I was wondering what percentage of (mongering) farangs come to LOS from different countries? USA and Europe vs lets say from UK and Australia etc?
Does anyone have any idea?[/QUOTE]No idea, but there are fewer and fewer Western mongers and more and more Asian mongers. Woe is the day when the Chinese dudes come en masse. It will happen, especially since China is cracking down on the P4 P industry.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655222]No idea, but there are fewer and fewer Western mongers and more and more Asian mongers. Woe is the day when the Chinese dudes come en masse. It will happen, especially since China is cracking down on the P4 P industry.[/QUOTE]From 2006 to 2013 the top 6 Western countries all increased their numbers. Australia & France roughly doubled their arrivals to LOS.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand[/URL]
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655221]From what I hear it ain't like it was. Might not ever be again. Korea used to have one of the most vibrant scenes in Asia. New Years Day before the olympics they swooped in and shut it all down. The Mayor of Manila closed most of the naughty bars in Manila. It is a shadow of its former self. So will it happen in BKK? One would think at some point it will. But when? That is the question isn't it![/QUOTE]The difference between China, Korea, PI & LOS is in the first three prostitution is illegal while in LOS it is legal. Earlier this month in Canada, BTW, it became illegal to buy sex. Before that it was legal. So expect even more Canadians to travel abroad for their fun.
Unlike expensive first world South Korea, LOS is a very poor country & third world. Like Japan the sex industry there is rather closed to foreigners. So for a number of reasons South Korea is not appealing to the multitudes of hobbyists looking for value & bang for their buck. But Thailand is, has been for a very long time & should continue to be.
According to the following opinion South Korea has the second most PFP gals per capita than anywhere in the world.
[URL]http://globaldiscussion.net/topic/1442-countries-with-the-most-prostitutes/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655032]People are living longer. It is an aging society.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of aging countries around the world. It is quite common. People live longer in a millennium of vastly superior medical care. Therefore prostitutes can stay healthy & in the business much longer. Thus there is less turnover & less need for it or replacements. They can cater to the aging populations who tend to have more disposable cash.
I was in Hanoi recently. It is not an aging but very young city. It is also poorer than Bangkok, cheaper for foreigners to live or visit & has more beautiful ladies. In spite of all that, it is in the peewee leagues of PFP, so has no chance of competing with professional major league destinations in Siam. Vietnam is like travelling by foot while the Kingdom goes at warp speed. The chance of Vietnam catching up to Thailand in this business in the next decade is yours of winning a huge lottery payout. Even if today all ladies in Bangkok were over 40 years of age, Vietnam would still be far less than half of what BKK would be.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655028]Steve, yes it does. A gal can get a job in a restaurant and make a living now.[/QUOTE]I am rather mystified by people who just can't accept not only what their eyes tell them but what the facts tell them. They must be Republicans!
Its all changing here and changing quickly. We have seen as countries advance economically the scene both diminishes and the prices increase. It happened in Japan and Korea. It will happen here. Its happening already. When I first started coming here 20 years ago it was as likely that a working girl was from down south or the Chiang mai area or from Bangkok as she was from Issan. As those areas prospered over the years the working girls from those areas dried up. I would guess today that at least in the venues of gogos and fls, 95% of the girls are from Issan. Issan is now slowly (due to some degree to the hated Thaksin policies and also to the money pouring in from Issan people who work in Bangkok) also advancing economically. Thus their numbers are also diminishing and pricing is going up. This combined with demographics, westernization, a better educational system and social media have created a trend that is not likely to turn around unless something dramatically bad crashes the economy. As prices continue to increase mongers will slowly fade away when their cost threshold is reached. We all have one. That will change the scene even more and will continue to effect the number of girls in the business.
I don't think the Chinese will ever come here in masses for mongering. At least I hope not. The customers effected by the crackdown in Dongguan were mainly Hong Kong Chinese. My guess is that most local towns and cities have plenty of girls available for the locals and if it is like Dongguan they are both cheaper and better looking than their Thai working sisters.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1655278]I am rather mystified by people who just can't accept not only what their eyes tell them but what the facts tell them. They must be Republicans!
Its all changing here and changing quickly. We have seen as countries advance economically the scene both diminishes and the prices increase. It happened in Japan and Korea. It will happen here. Its happening already. When I first started coming here 20 years ago it was as likely that a working girl was from down south or the Chiang mai area or from Bangkok as she was from Issan. As those areas prospered over the years the working girls from those areas dried up. I would guess today that at least in the venues of gogos and fls, 95% of the girls are from Issan. Issan is now slowly (due to some degree to the hated Thaksin policies and also to the money pouring in from Issan people who work in Bangkok) also advancing economically. Thus their numbers are also diminishing and pricing is going up. This combined with demographics, westernization, a better educational system and social media have created a trend that is not likely to turn around unless something dramatically bad crashes the economy. As prices continue to increase mongers will slowly fade away when their cost threshold is reached. We all have one. That will change the scene even more and will continue to effect the number of girls in the business.
[/QUOTE]I agree to an extent although with couple of caveats that may or may not be legitimate. Forgetting about the fact the baht is stronger against the dollar than it was when I first visited Thailand about twelve years ago, prices haven't gone up that much although long-time at go-gos has become disfavored among many girls and therefore the price for [I]that[/I] has increased more than for other options. The oil massage places most frequented by those on this forum charge exactly what they have for about a decade, with the exception of Bamboo's 500 baht anal surcharge and extra 100 baht for a session. Barons, then Tulip, and then Snow White, Mango, and Cherry have remained the same price for ages. And for those establishments as well as the go-go's I wonder whether the mantra the girls don't look as good as they used to reflects more that many of us have become rather jaded by now. I look at the pictures of the girls I took at the oilies 10 years ago, and then compare them to those today, and frankly don't see much, if any, quality difference. Similarly, although I find the majority of the go-go girls unattractive now, I always have although might have been satisfied to pull a girl who was not so attractive when the Bangkok scene was new to me (and my testosterone level a bit higher) while I am less inclined to do so now.
As to prices, ten years ago short-time at a go-go was 1500 baht, now it is 2000 (although I am hearing some are now getting 2500). The increase is probably less than the overall inflation rate over that period of time. Prices at the soapies have increased, but places like Nataree haven't increased [I]that[/I] much over the last decade, again forgetting about the value of the baht.
Yes, eventually things may deteriorate in the P4P scene more significantly as the economic situation continues to improve (assuming it does; let's see what kind of turmoil breaks out when the King dies, e. g. , and whether that will be the straw that breaks the Thai economy's back), but so far it hasn't been too bad IMHO, certainly not like Brazil which has gotten out of reach for many mongers both in terms of the P4P pricing and overall costs of a vacation (hotel, food, etc.).
For me what makes the P4 P scene seem a bit expensive in Bangkok is not so much any increases in pricing, rather it is I spend a lot of time in Jakarta where there still are bargains to be found. But as time goes on, the Jakarta scene may also start feeling the effects of economic progress (or more depressingly, the effects of what seems like an increased level of Muslim fundamentalism in Indonesia).