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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655864] And hey, Spanish is far easier to learn than Thai.
[/QUOTE]In my opinion, Thai is not really a difficult language. Okay The vocab has few words in common with English, but there are no grammatical problems, and less idiomatic use of words or expressions than English. The challenge for Thai is learning to pronounce. That dominates the first 6 months. Once the sounds are properly understood, the rest is fairly easy. Thai words do not change, due to grammar. I find languages like French and German to be a lot more difficult than Thai, due to tricky word sequence and mostly grammatical problems. I haven't really studied Spanish so I don't know much about that one. In European languages, when you have to change verbs for making various tenses, know whether nouns are masculine, feminine or neuter and adjective endings have to match case and gender of nouns, that is a difficult language to speak properly. Thai has none of those issues.

The main issue in Thai for me, is purely making the right tone on words, which is just part of learning the word. At least it does not change thankfully.

In English, vowels are pronounced quite differently by different countries. It does not matter. In Thai, this is not possible, and the vowel sounds are significantly different to English. The vowels can only be pronounced one way. The funniest Thai speakers tend to be some Americans as you can hear the American drawl coming through and stretching words longer than they should be, as well as vowels tending to have an American sound instead of Thai sound, which is incorrect. So some have proceeded too far with vocab before getting the pronunciation close to correct. Perhaps they did not have a strict teacher to enforce the correct sounds early. Its easier for Germans to speak Thai as most German vowels are quite close to Thai vowels in sound. Similarly for many other Europeans.

In Thai, pronunciation is everything, grammar is almost nothing. Thai has an alphabet. So learning to write or SMS in Thai is not massively challenging, and only 10% of words have tricky spellings. When read a Thai word, it can be pronounced correctly in more than 95% of cases. It's systematic, unlike English.

Vietnamese is more difficult than Thai due to tricky pronunciation, and I suspect that Khmer is also more difficult. Issaan is also slightly more difficult due to difficulties to correctly understand the tones.

Thai is one of the easier Asian languages excepting of course Indonesian / Malaysian and Tagalog.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1655817]Therefore, besides Thaksinland, I'd rather choose Australia, Singapore, Germany or the Netherlands.
[/QUOTE]WTF? Australia is a totally crap country for mongering, and if you did, you would want to take a Thai or Korean girl anyway. The Australian born Farangs are very bad indeed (98%). Of course Thailand has much better Thai girls than Australia has, due to shear weight of numbers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1655941]In my opinion, Thai is not really a difficult language. Okay The vocab has few words in common with English, but there are no grammatical problems, and less idiomatic use of words or expressions than English. The challenge for Thai is learning to pronounce. That dominates the first 6 months. Once the sounds are properly understood, the rest is fairly easy. Thai words do not change, due to grammar. I find languages like French and German to be a lot more difficult than Thai, due to tricky word sequence and mostly grammatical problems. I haven't really studied Spanish so I don't know much about that one. In European languages, when you have to change verbs for making various tenses, know whether nouns are masculine, feminine or neuter and adjective endings have to match case and gender of nouns, that is a difficult language to speak properly. Thai has none of those issues.

The main issue in Thai for me, is purely making the right tone on words, which is just part of learning the word. At least it does not change thankfully.

In English, vowels are pronounced quite differently by different countries. It does not matter. In Thai, this is not possible, and the vowel sounds are significantly different to English. The vowels can only be pronounced one way. The funniest Thai speakers tend to be some Americans as you can hear the American drawl coming through and stretching words longer than they should be, as well as vowels tending to have an American sound instead of Thai sound, which is incorrect. So some have proceeded too far with vocab before getting the pronunciation close to correct. Perhaps they did not have a strict teacher to enforce the correct sounds early. Its easier for Germans to speak Thai as most German vowels are quite close to Thai vowels in sound. Similarly for many other Europeans.

In Thai, pronunciation is everything, grammar is almost nothing. Thai has an alphabet. So learning to write or SMS in Thai is not massively challenging, and only 10% of words have tricky spellings. When read a Thai word, it can be pronounced correctly in more than 95% of cases. It's systematic, unlike English.

Vietnamese is more difficult than Thai due to tricky pronunciation, and I suspect that Khmer is also more difficult. Issaan is also slightly more difficult due to difficulties to correctly understand the tones.

Thai is one of the easier Asian languages excepting of course Indonesian / Malaysian and Tagalog.[/QUOTE]Speaking is not that hard, but reading and writing is a chore. I don't think one can really know a language till one can read and write, which means I will never really know Thai. I can speak enough, but feel I am missing out not being able to read. And I love speaking Thai with my Texas accent.

BTW, the main thing I find frustrating is the locals seeming inability to function using context. If a non-English speaker is talking to me and misspeaks a word or two, I can still figure out what he / she is saying. Miss a tone here in LOS and even if the rest of the sentence is dead on, you have lost them. Folks who speak tonal languages process language differently.

Khmer is easy; no tones. Viet is difficult to speak, but using the Roman alphabet makes it easier to read. Being able to pick up the paper and recognize words is a nice thing.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1655874]That says it all, Goat. Once one has a GF or, perish the thought, a wife, the game is over and the fun is down the toilet.[/QUOTE]Actually not really true. I have had a two different girlfriends during my tenure here. Neither has gotten in the way of my "fun. ".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655988]Actually not really true. I have had a two different girlfriends during my tenure here. Neither has gotten in the way of my "fun. ".[/QUOTE]Does your current GF know about and approve of your extra-curricular "fun"? If so, congratulations and more power to you for beating the game. If not, you are merely delaying the inevitable "game over" scenario and "fun" down the toilet. Just curious; did your break up with GF #1 have anything to do with your "fun?" :)

[QUOTE=Steve7777;1655887]Do tell more about the mindset of the Ippun sex tourist.

I just find it hard to believe they are reckless with their money as they are made out to be. Girls like them because they are nicer.[/QUOTE]No great insights here.

I would say more pliable than nice. Many Thai girls have told me that it is very easy to get a Japanese guy to take them shopping. As to price, the Japanese are like everyone else. Some of them are loaded and others are on much tighter budgets (the Thermae guys). One big difference that you will observe between the Japanese and the Farangs is that in general the Japanese are much younger. I would guess that the majority of the Japanese are in their 20's and 30's while most Farangs are 40 and over. So I would have to guess that a lot of these Japanese are not at all wealthy but perhaps live at home and so can save for these sex expeditions. They also tend to come in groups which you rarely see with Farangs. And they often will all BF a girl at the same gogo and go off for a bout of drinking and then sex. This is much more their operating model than ours probably due to the karaoke / nightclub nature of paid sex and after work hours relaxation back home. But I think that they have definitely pushed up the price curve over the past 10 years. There are enough of them to do so. Now they have been able to do this primarily because of a very favorable yen to baht exchange rate and are able to easily justify it because compared to back home it is incredibly cheap. So paying 3000 baht is still a huge bargain for them. But that 3000 baht is costing them a lot more in terms of yen than it did a year ago and I have seen predictions that the yen will continue to lose value as they continue to try and pump up their economy.

Another observation is that if you sit in Big Dog and watch the people come and go you will see a large number of young Japanese guys going out with Ladyboys. I just find this really peculiar and have no idea why. And groups of young Japanese guys doing it together.

As to the girls I have heard girls who like the Japanese because they pay well and cause no trouble and others who much prefer Farangs because they find the Japanese to be very boring and can't communicate with them. Lately I have been hearing complaints from a few girls about the Koreans who can be very rough and nasty apparently and more and more of them are coming to Bangkok.

One night I was sitting in Mandarin and a lone Japanese guy was sitting there and the mamasan came over with a girl. He barely looked up but assented to buying her a drink. They never spoke a word but the mamasan came over a few minutes later and asked him to bf her. He did. To me it was kind of revealing as to how they go about this compared to Farangs. We often look for a connection but for him it was just a transaction. If it didn't work out so what. It didn't cost him much.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1655308] I would like to recommend to all mongers to start and use services like We Chat, Skout, Tango, and Badoo. Thai girls are moving away from surfing the net on a computer or notebooks. The mobile internet is where it's at here. These services have location based searches and many of the girls are looking for pay for play but you can even find freebies. Search and chat, you have nothing to lose. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655866]Well, as I have stated many times, LOS used to be great value for money when it came to P4 P. You got a pretty good looking enthusiastic gal for 1 k baht ST (25 USD at the time) and 500 baht BF. So for 37 USD you had a pretty damn good time. And gals were plentiful. FLs everywhere, and gogo gals would beg you to take them. Walk by Nana or Cowboy at closing time and you would literally be propositioned by large numbers of girls. "Go with you. " "Go with you. " "Go with you. "It was an amazing amount of fun. I could not wait till the sun went down so I could get out and about. Now, meh! I rarely go out hunting for gals because the scene is so grim.[/QUOTE]Goatscrot,

As Bkkdog already pointed out the mobile internet is the place to be these days, more and more. The world has changed and will always change and we have to keep up with that. Although I know how hard that can be for us older gents.

I am quite 'internet savvy' but not really 'mobile internet savvy'. Yesterday I bought my first smart phone, go figure LOL! It will take some time but I'm getting there.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1655866]Amazingly Singapore is quite a bargain when it comes to mongering. Geylang is pretty great these days. No gogos, just houses and FLs walking the streets. Would love to have a legal brothel area in BKK like that.[/QUOTE]Mate, Basis of my two recent trips (Oct & Nov) and limited experience I don't think Singapore is a bargain. In Geylang best looking girls are generally found at the 150 SGD (approx. 3700 baht) houses and for 1 hour with no BBBJ and DATY definitely is not cheap. Besides the houses in lorongs do need some footwork to be able to find a girl to ones linking. Even the decent SWs on the street don't go for less then 80 SGD excluding room. In both these prices one can easily find a ST and possibly a LT as well in BKK / PYX and a BBBJ if not DATY will be included as well.

In OT girls ask for ST starting at 150 or 200 SGD and with these girls BBJ and DATY is a possibility. This amount gets one a LT in PYX and BKK as well.

Thailand is still much better VFM in my opinion.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1656065]Mate, Basis of my two recent trips (Oct & Nov) and limited experience I don't think Singapore is a bargain. In Geylang best looking girls are generally found at the 150 SGD (approx. 3700 baht) houses and for 1 hour with no BBBJ and DATY definitely is not cheap. Besides the houses in lorongs do need some footwork to be able to find a girl to ones linking. Even the decent SWs on the street don't go for less then 80 SGD excluding room. In both these prices one can easily find a ST and possibly a LT as well in BKK / PYX and a BBBJ if not DATY will be included as well.

In OT girls ask for ST starting at 150 or 200 SGD and with these girls BBJ and DATY is a possibility. This amount gets one a LT in PYX and BKK as well.

Thailand is still much better VFM in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I was finding prices at 100 SGD in some houses. 80 SGD is not bad considering 2 k plus 600 baht BF at gogos in BKK. And you have the added bonus of gals from all over SE Asia and PRC.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1656064]Goatscrot,

As Bkkdog already pointed out the mobile internet is the place to be these days, more and more. The world has changed and will always change and we have to keep up with that. Although I know how hard that can be for us older gents.

I am quite 'internet savvy' but not really 'mobile internet savvy'. Yesterday I bought my first smart phone, go figure LOL! It will take some time but I'm getting there.[/QUOTE]Guess if I did not have a GF then I might play that game, but just not really into any type of "*****mancing. " I just want to go, find a gal, do the deed, and leave.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1656001]Does your current GF know about and approve of your extra-curricular "fun"? If so, congratulations and more power to you for beating the game. If not, you are merely delaying the inevitable "game over" scenario and "fun" down the toilet. Just curious; did your break up with GF #1 have anything to do with your "fun?" :)[/QUOTE]Huh? Thailand is the land of compartmentalization. Something that we in the West really don't get. Don't ask don't tell as long as it does not effect the relationship.

First of all I am discreet. I would never invest in a relationship with another gal. I don't take phone numbers nor do I date. My interaction is restricted to sex. I have no interest in other females beyond 90 minutes. I mean FFS so many guys come over here and recreate the exact same situation they had in the states. They find a gal way younger and prettier than they could get back home, stick it in, and in six seconds they are in "love" and promising the gal the same types of things (ie fidelity, eternal love, etc) they would a gal back in the West. Many go on to knock up and even marry these gals. Inevitably the dude gets bored and starts doinking around, but lo an behold his gal stalks him because he promised fidelity. Personally I did not move here to have the same type of relationship that I did in the states. I came here to have my cake and eat it to, which is quite possible as long as you can keep things in perspective and compartmentalize. Your girlfriend is your girlfriend and working girls are working girls.

Secondly my gal and I respect each other's space. She doesn't hound me and I don't hound her. We don't pry. If she were to go out and get laid, so be it; again as long as it does not effect the relationship, no harm no foul. We don't ask each other questions and neither are jealous. Been a very nice 8 years, due to the fact that we have complementary personalities, are both well educated (she has more degrees than I do), are amazingly irreverent, and are both staunch anti-theists. She is also one of the few Thais who does not subscribe to the cult of personality, if you know what I mean.

First gal? To be candid I did not know she was an alcoholic when I met her. The disease progressed. Just was not going to live with that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1655944]WTF? Australia is a totally crap country for mongering, and if you did, you would want to take a Thai or Korean girl anyway. The Australian born Farangs are very bad indeed (98%). Of course Thailand has much better Thai girls than Australia has, due to shear weight of numbers.[/QUOTE]I've never been anywhere on the Aussie continent. What makes it "crap"?

Unlike Canada it is legal to buy sex in Australia, so no worries about large fines, huge lawyers bills, imprisonment or a criminal record. So I have considered it as a possibly preferable alternate to Canada.

And unlike certain dangerous countries where one needs to learn the lingo, that shouldn't be so much of a problem in English speaking Kangaroo land. One might even survive the experience there alive & without being subjected to the corruption of lesser nations. How much is that worth to you, or do you like to gamble?

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1656037]Another observation is that if you sit in Big Dog and watch the people come and go you will see a large number of young Japanese guys going out with Ladyboys. I just find this really peculiar and have no idea why. And groups of young Japanese guys doing it together.

Lately I have been hearing complaints from a few girls about the Koreans who can be very rough and nasty apparently and more and more of them are coming to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yep, noticed that. I find it strange as well. Kudos to their sense of perversion!

I have heard the same from some oily gals. The Korean dudes can be quite abusive. They sure are rude on the streets, but some of them have some amazingly hot Korean gals in tow.

Found this two year old article from [URL]teakdoor.com[/URL] No mention of Asians. Maybe the prof was only interested in farangs.

Thai professor of sociology Sathit Niyomyat, a former assistant dean at the prestigious Thammasat University and the author of numerous studies on gender issues, has published some surprising results following a three-year research project during which she interviewed some 470 local women working in the sex industry.

In an anonymous survey, Thai prostitutes were asked to rank their preferred nationality among foreign clients more than 6,000 of them in total based on a variety of criteria. "We were interested in how demanding they were, the length of sexual activity, consumption of alcohol, behavior and degree of coarseness, and the solvency of sex tourists, based on nationality," Prof. Niyomyat said, as quoted by the Czech tabloid Blesk.

Although Slovaks topped the rankings, followed by the French and Americans, the study points out that doesn't mean they were better lovers than the fifth-ranked Czechs: Thai sex workers have a preference for clients who are non-confrontational, undemanding and quick.

"The least favorite customers are the Swedes. They most often seek painful practices and want sexual intercourse without a condom, often under the influence of alcohol, which prolongs the intercourse and is unpleasant for the girls," Prof. Niyomyat said.

Favorite foreign customers of Thai sex workers.

1. Slovaks (86% rating).

2. French (83%.

3. Americans (74%.

4. Belgians (72%.

5. Czechs (71%.

6. Austrians (64%.

7. Swiss and Dutch (tied at 63 %.

9. Canadians (53%.

10. Danes (49%.

27. Germans (35%.

35. Swedes (17%.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1656065]Even the decent SWs on the street don't go for less then 80 SGD excluding room.


Thailand is still much better VFM in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I've had hot girls in SG for as little as 20 USD, including room. Usually I paid no more than 50 USD all in for FS, etc. Some of them were total knockouts.

Quite a few in Geylang were up for BBBJ, DFK, even BB sex.

A main attraction there for me is the abundance of available white busty and or perfectly slim VN, PRC, etc one cannot get in LOS.

All of this has previously been reported in the Singapore ISG threads.