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[QUOTE=TheCane;2679970]You said that the Colombian girls often will take offense if you offer a price that doesn't meet their expectations. What kind of reaction do you typically get when you bring up bareback sex? That most certainly would offend many an American woman.[/QUOTE]Colombian girls take offense to a lot of things, they are so jealous. They actually make me appreciate American girls and that is hard to do.
[QUOTE=Globo;2678761]I have been in Barcelona a few times and used Seeking. The no show rate is very high so you need to do a bit of extra work and stack fall back dates. The P4 P scene is pretty much legal and the rates are super low. Like 100 or less for an hour. As a result you get quiet a varied mix on Seeking:.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel. I'm not too worried about no shows I've got the professionals as backup LOL.
I'm curious about Tinder. I'm not good looking enough to land the kind of chicks I'd want for free but maybe if they know I'm earning in USD and can buy them a nice dinner or some shit that would be enough.
Do you put something in your profile that vaguely suggests P4P is on the table. Obviously you can't come right out and say it. (Wondering in general not for a particular location).
I have seen some chicks will break their phone number up and put it in their profile I assume that's a give away your dealing with a pro.
Hey Steve,
I know you love Moscow and Brazil. I loved Moscow, so we have that in common, I was planning on making one last trip to Russia, but now that is definitely off the table. I think my visa is running out soon and I will not renew, but I had already made that decision before the war started. Rio was not for me, I would like to try Sao Paulo, but honestly I am meeting so many great girls in MTY and CDMX, no need to change.
What are your thoughts on MDE? As you know I did not like anything about the place and would never go back. I value your opinions and look forward to your report.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2680054]Colombian girls take offense to a lot of things, they are so jealous. They actually make me appreciate American girls and that is hard to do.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it is just me. The type of girls in Colombia who will hit me up look young and desirable in their profiles. The type of women from the US who would hit me up are big fuglies. Even for those that look decent are looking for a long term relationship. I am thinking, ladies, you are on the damn wrong platform. I would still go with with non-American ones at anytime.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2680054]Colombian girls take offense to a lot of things, they are so jealous. They actually make me appreciate American girls and that is hard to do.[/QUOTE]I've dealt with tons and tons of Colombian girls, all in the P4P scene, and never, ever had a lot of problems. I would take a Colombiana over a gringa any time! I have no experience dealing with them in the sugaring setting though, that's why I was asking. But in the P4P scene, I was always able to bargain no problems with nobody getting bent out of shape. Them nor me.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2679970]You said that the Colombian girls often will take offense if you offer a price that doesn't meet their expectations. What kind of reaction do you typically get when you bring up bareback sex? That most certainly would offend many an American woman.[/QUOTE]I met 5 SA girls in person in Bogota. All of them are just regular civvies.
The first one works in IT consulting manager. She probably thinks she can find a wealthy SD on the platform. Anyway, her SA profile is no longer active. We did have a good dinner and that is how I know. I did not go anywhere beyond dinner with her because I was tired that night and had a long day the next morning.
The second one was a college student in her 2nd year. Has a boyfriend but just need the extra financial help. She was on SA for only a month and I was her first ppm.
The third one workes as an office administrator and in her last year of college. Also looking for extra financial help. Also been on SA for a month or so and I was her first ppm too.
The fourth one just graduated and worked as waitress. Again, even though she might have been on it for less than a year, I was her only SD.
The fifth one have been on SA the longest. Been there for more than a year or two, and even at that point, she only had two SDs during that time period. And she works at a regular company.
One is more likely to encounter girls of that sort at least in Bogota. The cost of living has gone up for them and they need to get by with little extra cash. They don't look at themselves as prepagos or prepaid which means working girls in Colombia.
When they do this, they have a certain amount in mind to help them get through the month. So you do not want to make them feel like hookers because in their mind they are not. As such, I would just get them to offer the amount they can live with and I can justify. I would only negotiate with them for non monetary add-ONS like extra time or extra services like BB. I also note that these girls don't like to do BJ though they are more open to BB. Go figure.
Anyway, the psychology behind this is for them to be happy with what they are expecting and I can wring extra concessions as a result by indicating with I want. Again, YMMV. For BB, if they are not willing to do it, they would just say no and actually I don't feel they get offended.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2680121]I don't know if it is just me. The type of girls in Colombia who will hit me up look young and desirable in their profiles. The type of women from the US who would hit me up are big fuglies. Even for those that look decent are looking for a long term relationship. I am thinking, ladies, you are on the damn wrong platform. I would still go with with non-American ones at anytime.[/QUOTE]Correct, but for me I am not attracted to the girls in MDE at all. Mostly there attitudes, laziness and jealousy. This includes the Colombian girls I met in the states or Mexico, they usually have a bad attitude as well. I am sure the girls in Bogota are better. Love Latinos and Euros, just not Colombian.
Hi all,
I wasn't aware of this thread, but it is a gold mine of information. I would like to contribute to this thread and share my experiences.
I signed up at the beginning of this year and had 6 arrangements, both in the USA and international. Admittedly, I've screwed up a bit so far, but I have learned a lot from reading here.
First girl that I met I gave way to much 600, we did bb I think it was implied with the amount I paid her. She hit me with the price and I didn't negotiate for whatever reason grrr. I probably ended up spending close to 700 since I ordered her uber there and back. Next day I went out to dinner with an onlyfans chick mid-late 20's who I clicked great with. Spent about 200 on a shit ton of drinks, F me. She didn't ask me for anything, but I gave her 500 since I clicked so well with her. I probably could gave her less, but whatever she was enjoyable and I will hit her up in the future. Third girl I gave 500, she is extremely hot Italian 7/10 some of you guys might of give her an 8, but I'm jaded in ratings. She is over 1000 miles away, I probably won't see her again. I'm certain she gave me a fake name, plus she even told me she used some kind of burner phone number service. I still see her on seeking, but who knows for how long a lot of girls come and go. All of these meets were not in my local area, so I can't see them on a consistent basis. I messaged them about 3-4 weeks prior to traveling to the area. I probably messaged about 60-80 girls, maybe more I have to count, to get to these 3 and it truly is so much work it eats up a lot of time.
One thing I'm starting to realize is I think these girls probably would have agreed to less. I was just frustrated messaging so many girls and wanted to meet. After reading this thread, it seems like most of the guys are older on Seeking. I'm in my early 30's and in good shape, not fat, but I am ugly so I'm not sure it affects the price I offer being young, but I'm going to start now offering $200 to girls and see if they will go for it.
I used Seeking with some success in Mexico. I ended giving one girl an obscene amount that I'm not proud of, she manipulated me quite a bit which I don't care to get into details here. Seeking in Mexico City is much easier than in Guadalajara. I found that a lot of girls list their location as Guadalajara, but are not actually from there they may live in a small town a few hours away. If that's the case, only money is going to motivate them to meet up with you so find this out early if they really do live there or not. If I did this over again, I would go straight to compensation part. I found it's best to message girls about 2-3 weeks prior to your trip, don't do it any earlier I think it's a waste of time.
Next girl I saw in my home state. She messaged me first. I spent about 100 on dinner, however, I got cat fished to fkn hell. She was a good 250 pounder. I bit the lip and downed the drinks and said screw it, no ones ugly after 2 am. Finally got a freebie, but not the kind of freebie I'm proud of. I'm in a large liberal area and haven't had much success since I signed up, so that's why I agreed to it and she seemed interested in meeting.
I'm traveling to a new area in 2 weeks and got 4 girls #s who claim they want to meet me. I haven't discussed compensation with any them yet, none of them brought it up. The only thing different this time is I added some great photos to my profile so maybe it's working in my favor now. I previously was doing all this without any photos.
I messaged about 50 girls in my area and got some numbers, so I'm trying to set something up before my membership expires in the next few days. You have to be real careful what you say to these girls and do not be pushy by any means or they will ghost or block you. I send one or at most 2 messages each time and then give them a few days to powder their nose or whatever the f they're doing to reply back. Around 10 messages in you should start considering asking for the number if the conversation is going good. I've had a few girls decline and say "let's keep chatting on here" or something along those lines. Avoid them and stop talking immediately, they won't be on that site for long. Also, I recently screwed this up, but once you have the number they will inevitably ask you the 'What kind of arrangement are you looking for question?' Whenever a girl brings this up, I recommend saying something like, 'we'll I should be asking you that question. ' If you start saying you want sex on a consistent basis or something she doesn't want that's a surefire way to get ghosted, especially if they are new and only recently signed up. Make sure you know what they are looking for and don't bring up sex or compensation unless they do. I like to push for dinner and or drinks, but sometimes they don't even want that so it's a mixed bag. Also, if you do get ghosted after you offer an amount. I've had some girls that have come back from the dead if you reply back with a larger number.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2680109]Hey Steve,
I know you love Moscow and Brazil. I loved Moscow, so we have that in common, I was planning on making one last trip to Russia, but now that is definitely off the table. I think my visa is running out soon and I will not renew, but I had already made that decision before the war started. Rio was not for me, I would like to try Sao Paulo, but honestly I am meeting so many great girls in MTY and CDMX, no need to change.
What are your thoughts on MDE? As you know I did not like anything about the place and would never go back. I value your opinions and look forward to your report.[/QUOTE]My overall comparison of MDE, SP, and BA is down the page a ways. My take on MDE is that it's inexpensive and the girls are pretty but the service is not great nor the overall experience. I prefer my time with girls in this order:
Clubs. Incall. Outcall.
The best scene in MDE is Facebook outcall, so not my fave to begin with. And the service quite mediocre in my opinion. A poster below notes his SA Bogots girls don't love to BJ and I found same. Like 5 minutes is long for them.
That said you can find a gem anywhere. I was happy to shack up with Kerry as long as she'the have me. The way she looks at me. The way she's my girlfriend. Amazing. But alas. Next next.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2680187]My overall comparison of MDE, SP, and BA is down the page a ways. My take on MDE is that it's inexpensive and the girls are pretty but the service is not great nor the overall experience. I prefer my time with girls in this order:
Clubs. Incall. Outcall.
The best scene in MDE is Facebook outcall, so not my fave to begin with. And the service quite mediocre in my opinion. A poster below notes his SA Bogots girls don't love to BJ and I found same. Like 5 minutes is long for them.
That said you can find a gem anywhere. I was happy to shack up with Kerry as long as she'the have me. The way she looks at me. The way she's my girlfriend. Amazing. But alas. Next next.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. By far the worst food and service I had in my life.
For me I honestly do not feel MDE is that cheaper then Mexico. You can get a direct flight to most destinations in Mexico. Also you can negotiate cheaper rates with hotels or apartments. For example I am now paying $65 a night for a suite in San Pedro, MTY. This includes a breakfast buffet. Plus they let check out super late. Life is good.
[QUOTE=Nirec;2680174] Also, I recently screwed this up, but once you have the number they will inevitably ask you the 'What kind of arrangement are you looking for question?' Whenever a girl brings this up, I recommend saying something like, 'we'll I should be asking you that question.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your experience. This is a very good reply.
Steve.
When you meet these girls after long, do you go BB?
One of my SBs I met months ago is coming to town. I am most likely not going to BB considering she would have met other men. I don't ask her because we had a great equation when we were regular. Don't want to offend her. On the other hand, when I wrap my tool, she is probably going to roll her eyes as historically we have been BB and fucked like dogs. LOL.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2680037]I treat my SBs very well as it's just my nature. But damn I love some of the longer term relationships you can build and having a deep Rolodex pays off.
I originally went to Vegas in 2019. Met up wit Alexa, Krystal, and one other girl. Both A and K twice. Krystal was my fave but Alexa a nice girl and a smoking 9 in my book. But the chemistry with Krystal was amazing.
So in mid pandemic 2020 I wanted to fly Krystal to Miami but she was a little hard to pin down and kinda soft ghosted me. She's moved to NYC since we met. So I pinged Alexa who was down and we had the best time. Fully one year after our brief encounter in 2019.
Now here we are in 2022 and I will be visiting Vegas. Alexa has moved too far from town but Krystal is back in Vegas. So I ping her fully expecting no response. But instead I get a let's meet up baby response. Over two years after our meetup.
I totally dig this girl one of my ATFs. Just goes to show treat 'them right, never officially break it off, and you can fire things up right where you left off. So both my Vegas girls pay off way after the fact. Super stoked.[/QUOTE]
Rule #1 - Walk away without any regrets if the girl doesn't meet standards in both attitude and price point. If you don't want to follow this, you will lose time and money. Go to rule #2.
Rule #2 - Follow Rule #1. LOL.
Jokes aside. Fellow 30 plus here. I hear your feelings and why some of those girls manipulated you. I have learned hard way. It takes a bit of seasoning to walk away with no regrets. So what if I don't get laid one of the nights? We live for another night.
That change in approach brought me more quality girls and some 8's who don't even want any money from me. They just want me to pay their flights.
[QUOTE=Nirec;2680174]Hi all,
I wasn't aware of this thread, but it is a gold mine of information. I would like to contribute to this thread and share my experiences.
I signed up at the beginning of this year and had 6 arrangements, both in the USA and international. Admittedly, I've screwed up a bit so far, but I have learned a lot from reading here.
First girl that I met I gave way to much 600, we did bb I think it was implied with the amount I paid her. She hit me with the price and I didn't negotiate for whatever reason grrr. I probably ended up spending close to 700 since I ordered her uber there and back. Next day I went out to dinner with an onlyfans chick mid-late 20's who I clicked great with. Spent about 200 on a shit ton of drinks, F me. She didn't ask me for anything, but I gave her 500 since I clicked so well with her. I probably could gave her less, but whatever she was enjoyable and I will hit her up in the future. Third girl I gave 500, she is extremely hot Italian 7/10 some of you guys might of give her an 8, but I'm jaded in ratings. She is over 1000 miles away, I probably won't see her again. I'm certain she gave me a fake name, plus she even told me she used some kind of burner phone number service. I still see her on seeking, but who knows for how long a lot of girls come and go. All of these meets were not in my local area, so I can't see them on a consistent basis. I messaged them about 3-4 weeks prior to traveling to the area. I probably messaged about 60-80 girls, maybe more I have to count, to get to these 3 and it truly is so much work it eats up a lot of time.
One thing I'm starting to realize is I think these girls probably would have agreed to less. I was just frustrated messaging so many girls and wanted to meet. After reading this thread, it seems like most of the guys are older on Seeking. I'm in my early 30's and in good shape, not fat, but I am ugly so I'm not sure it affects the price I offer being young, but I'm going to start now offering $200 to girls and see if they will go for it.
I used Seeking with some success in Mexico. I ended giving one girl an obscene amount that I'm not proud of, she manipulated me quite a bit which I don't care to get into details here. Seeking in Mexico City is much easier than in Guadalajara. I found that a lot of girls list their location as Guadalajara, but are not actually from there they may live in a small town a few hours away. If that's the case, only money is going to motivate them to meet up with you so find this out early if they really do live there or not. If I did this over again, I would go straight to compensation part. I found it's best to message girls about 2-3 weeks prior to your trip, don't do it any earlier I think it's a waste of time.
Next girl I saw in my home state. She messaged me first. I spent about 100 on dinner, however, I got cat fished to fkn hell. She was a good 250 pounder. I bit the lip and downed the drinks and said screw it, no ones ugly after 2 am. Finally got a freebie, but not the kind of freebie I'm proud of. I'm in a large liberal area and haven't had much success since I signed up, so that's why I agreed to it and she seemed interested in meeting.
I'm traveling to a new area in 2 weeks and got 4 girls #s who claim they want to meet me. I haven't discussed compensation with any them yet, none of them brought it up. The only thing different this time is I added some great photos to my profile so maybe it's working in my favor now. I previously was doing all this without any photos.
I messaged about 50 girls in my area and got some numbers, so I'm trying to set something up before my membership expires in the next few days. You have to be real careful what you say to these girls and do not be pushy by any means or they will ghost or block you. I send one or at most 2 messages each time and then give them a few days to powder their nose or whatever the f they're doing to reply back. Around 10 messages in you should start considering asking for the number if the conversation is going good. I've had a few girls decline and say "let's keep chatting on here" or something along those lines. Avoid them and stop talking immediately, they won't be on that site for long. Also, I recently screwed this up, but once you have the number they will inevitably ask you the 'What kind of arrangement are you looking for question?' Whenever a girl brings this up, I recommend saying something like, 'we'll I should be asking you that question. ' If you start saying you want sex on a consistent basis or something she doesn't want that's a surefire way to get ghosted, especially if they are new and only recently signed up. Make sure you know what they are looking for and don't bring up sex or compensation unless they do. I like to push for dinner and or drinks, but sometimes they don't even want that so it's a mixed bag. Also, if you do get ghosted after you offer an amount. I've had some girls that have come back from the dead if you reply back with a larger number.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gfefan;2680312]Rule #1 - Walk away without any regrets if the girl doesn't meet standards in both attitude and price point. If you don't want to follow this, you will lose time and money. Go to rule #2.
Rule #2 - Follow Rule #1. LOL.
Jokes aside. Fellow 30 plus here. I hear your feelings and why some of those girls manipulated you. I have learned hard way. It takes a bit of seasoning to walk away with no regrets. So what if I don't get laid one of the nights? We live for another night.
That change in approach brought me more quality girls and some 8's who don't even want any money from me. They just want me to pay their flights.[/QUOTE]I am older than you chaps, and thus learned a long time ago the value (and the pleasure) of walking away from a hot girl and telling her to go fuck herself. The ones who aren't used to getting rejected are just stunned by it LOL! I remember the time I kicked a really hot girlfriend to the curb. The kind lots of guys be jerking off over. Blonde and blue and just fucking smoking hot! Chick was shocked and literally told me nobody had ever dumped her before in her life ever hahaha! Got sick and tired of her bullshit! That pussy isn't platinum! There's [B]always[/B] another piece of hot ass coming onto the scene. Somewhere. Get out there and find it men. And then fuck it! LOL! The more hot pussy you've had the pleasure of dicking down? The easier it is to walk away from some with a bad, "diva" attitude. Believe this. Oh, and then get this part. She comes back to me several months later lying about how "I got her pregnant", and I knew she was lying too as I was careful to never nut inside of her, always pulling out. And why do girls do shit like that? Because they can! Girl was just manipulative and conniving. I did well to dump her beautiful but scheming ass! I'm not that baby's daddy! So get out of my life! Hahaha!
[QUOTE=Gfefan;2680308]Steve.
When you meet these girls after long, do you go BB?
One of my SBs I met months ago is coming to town. I am most likely not going to BB considering she would have met other men. I don't ask her because we had a great equation when we were regular. Don't want to offend her. On the other hand, when I wrap my tool, she is probably going to roll her eyes as historically we have been BB and fucked like dogs. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's a tricky question. Local SB that I see regularly I always take a box of condoms to her place but always find myself deep inside of BB, condoms unopened on the side table. I always tell my self that I will use condom with her but she also knows it feels better. She takes contraception so she is not worried about CIP. I see she is active on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] again so I am staying away. I do know though that she feels so good so good. It's really hard to describe or replace that feeling wearing a condom.
For me, a new girl I will use condom. But for regulars hard to break old habits.