Market failure due to lack of price transparency and price haggling
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The reality is written on the wall that there is a quality decline. Girls know that it is affecting their business. The ones who are not 19 and 20 know better and regularly express how bad business has been lately. Only a handful of girls are making good money and their time will pass when guys have tried them. Veteran girls know the value of repeat business and potential for long rooms. These new girls entering at 200 e rates don't have many clients taking them for 5 hours because most guys will not pay 1000 e for 5 hours with one girl. But back when it was 500 for 5 hours? The best girls would have a 5 hour client every single week!......[/QUOTE]I agree.
10 years ago there was a system in place in the clubs where you as a customer knew the price schedule per hour. And the prices for extras were fixed also. If the girls kissed it was either yes or no. But not affecting the price. And if the girls tried anything else then you as the buyer could go to the reception and complain. The reception could agree with you or not, but since the girls knew that too many complaints from too many customers would get them barred from future entries, then it kept them disciplined.
That fixed and known price system also meant that it was very easy to extend the time, and many of us repeat clients extended the time to many hours with favourite girls.
Now 50 euro per half hour as it was back 10 years ago is not really realistic today, because there have maybe been around 50% aggregated inflation since then. But that would make it 75 euro per half hour. In a way - 100 euro for the half hour and 150 euro for the hour is close to being inflation adjusted prices.
But now we cannot be sure that this is even the price. Some girls are even trying to ask for 150 euro for half an hour if it is to be "really good with kissing", and if you are new or a tourist you can be taken for a total ride with the prices. This is totally damaging to the clubs attraction to the male buyers, because people do communicate over the internet on forums etc.
And then the problem is that it is next to impossible to haggle the price down to something fair and then get a really good session right after.
But the "new" prostitution law in Germany which came before the Corona, made it illegal for the club to determine the prices.
I am now thinking that this little "innocent detail" is the most damaging thing to the long term business of both the club, the girls, and the men.
Because personally I really hate having to haggle or accept being cheated. Either way I loose something. I have some old regulars which does not do that with me, so I can go with them, but discovering new girls is really difficult. And I think that many other men feel the same, and then we vote with our feet and take our business elsewhere.
Prices has not increased as much for alternatives outside like privats or escorts for example. And there you will know the price up front. And with whatsapp or other videoapps the ability for verifying pictures has gone up greatly, so you can much better know what you get.
When I compare to prices here in Scandinavia, then 10 years ago, 1 hour at Sharks was way cheaper than 1 hour with a girl in private up here. But if girs want 200 EUR for an hour now at Sharks they are now almost as expensive as up here. But then comes entry costs and travel costs. It makes less and less sense for visitors coming from afar to Sharks I am afraid.
For the short term gain of the individual girl it unfortunately makes total sense to try and hike the prices, once a client has become interested, and now it is not even disallowed. But it makes the market fail in the longer term.
Maybe they should invent some kind of coloured armbands the girls can wear which could signal the different prices up front. Then they are allowed to decide their own prices, but they just have to tell up front before you start to converse with them.
Correct. A digital rating system is needed
Correct. The club should start tracking customer satisfaction digitally using tracking if room entry and exit times with wristbands and keypad in the room, for quality of service rating, that the customer enters anonymously in a keypad, after the girls leave the room. The constant scamming and haggling would disappear overnight.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2917658]The club could take some short term pain (less entry fees) and refuse entry to a couple of girls asking ridiculous prices in exchange for abysmal service: make an example out of them. The German forum is full of names of girls who provide horrible service and try to charge 100 or even 150 Euros for 30 minutes. Of course the club isn't allowed to dictate prices or service levels, but at the same time the club has a right to refuse entry to anyone whom they 'think will not fit in with the rest of the visitors,' similar to how they (apparently) refuse entry to men who don't speak any English or German. Girls who give the club a bad reputation and-or ruin the experience for male visitors could perhaps be a valid reason to kick out some of the worst offenders? I'm pretty sure that a man who receives a lot of complaints from the ladies, staff, or other men (for example constantly harassing girls, try to blackmail them, try to steal money from them, or causing a fight or conflicts with other guests) could be refused entry. The legal concept of [I]door policy[/I] is usually a very large grey area in most countries.
Ah yes, the good old days of Dina. Yeah Dina was nice, sexy, funny to talk to, and always provided excellent service. The only slight downside for me was her excessively fake and loud moaning, it's not really my thing, but after I jokingly said to her with a big smile "ssshhhhh Dinaaaa, you're waking everybody up!" during our second room together, she got the hint and was much quieter during subsequent rooms. No need to pay her 150 Euros, my rooms with her were usually 30 minute rooms for 50 Euros and they were a lot of fun. I genuinely hope she's doing well in retirement.[/QUOTE]