Nairobi

Thanks for the reply.

Happy to know that I paid fair prices.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2288888]Most girls will asm for around 8-10 k trying their luck. In Nairobi you pay more than other places in Kenya but I have always countered with 3 k and its worked. I would never go above 4 k myself, its a buyers market.[/QUOTE]

Could you please send me the apartment Airbnb link, as I need to use it in my next trip to Nairobi.

[QUOTE=Zakmo;2289508]When I went there last, I got an Air Bnb in Westlands. Most places are about 10 minutes away by Uber (Brew Bistro, Westlands, K2, Liddos etc).

Was private and had all the amenities I needed. Brought girls through with no problem.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Neddy69;2294197] I am not sure if the police is less corrupt there. I honestly doubt it. But overall there is a lot more vultures in Kenya. Never had a serious issue in Uganda.[/QUOTE]Kenyan police are opportunists like no other, even going as far as changing into civilian clothes while on duty to commit a crime. The Ugandan police force has gone thru some changes over the last decade making it slightly worse, but it's still better than Kenya.

There's also a country parallel here when it comes to girls. Kenyan girls are more westernized and mentally quicker than their Ugandan counterparts making them more able to easily target tricks and 'capitalize' in these situations. That's not to say that Ugandans are above it, but it's far less likely to happen in Uganda.

[QUOTE=Neddy69;2294197]Its ALWAYS our own fault by not properly stashing our money away. NEVER let your guard down.[/QUOTE]Whether it's Kenya or Uganda, the bottom line is that it all starts and ends with you. How you handle yourself, your money, your booze intake, your visibility to the police, where when and how you target and pick-up girls, how you screen them, what measures you take to mitigate risk and finally how you deal with the girl and possibly the police should things blow up.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2294529]The uber prices from cbd to Westlands for me always come up for 200/- a ride, this is from Hilton to diamond. I know one Nairobi girl wno hangs out in wWstlands, 5 ft, 40 dd, a real pocket rocket, she recently asked for 50 k for a full night. I laughed and told her 3 k, she laughed at me. She reckons she gets 50 k or near it from some mzungu Westlands goers. Entitled, it is becoming like that in the so called flash upmarket places.

As above, shops and malls, badoo, tinder, and approach the girls in the street is my way to go in Nairobi these days rather than these Westlands clubs.[/QUOTE]The girls are running competitions nowadays who is the top earner. The game is changing. As long as there is overpaying UN-Types and the likes. For them 10.000 ksh is pocket money. Better stick to daygame or choose an accommodation near a slum like kibera. On the fringes there is always joints and chicas. The girls are also facing rising cost of doing business like transport or drinks entrance fees.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2294529]The uber prices from cbd to Westlands for me always come up for 200/- a ride, this is from Hilton to diamond. I know one Nairobi girl wno hangs out in wWstlands, 5 ft, 40 dd, a real pocket rocket, she recently asked for 50 k for a full night. I laughed and told her 3 k, she laughed at me. She reckons she gets 50 k or near it from some mzungu Westlands goers. Entitled, it is becoming like that in the so called flash upmarket places.

As above, shops and malls, badoo, tinder, and approach the girls in the street is my way to go in Nairobi these days rather than these Westlands clubs.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about 50 000 K? 50 000? That's 500 USD.

ARE YOU SURE?

For that price I will never go to Africa for our hobby!

Is Africa already ruined monger wise?

[QUOTE=Golds;2295006]Is Africa already ruined monger wise?[/QUOTE]LOL I'm resisting telling you yes to keep down competition.

Africa is the last place to be ruined monger wise The problem is people rarely go to Africa so mainly the foreign mongers are expense account guys. When you're making 55 K USD living in a compound with a car and driver You're not concerned about overpaying for a girl. There was an Kenyan celebrity chick that messaged a man that she'd be willing for 500 USD But that's a exceptionally beautiful girl who was a celebrity in her own right. If I were an expense account NGO country director then I'd pay 500 to say I knocked off a celebrity. But since I'm a broke ass retiree I'll stick to the poor and unknown chicks for 2 to 3 K and that's for all night.

[QUOTE=Golds;2295006]Is Africa already ruined monger wise?[/QUOTE]Look at the population growth. There is prime pussy in abundance. KE TZ and UG have close to 150 million people now. You just need a different game plan. For me night clubs are entertainment only. At least in Nairobi except Sabina Joy. TZ Club Ambiance in Dar and Capital Pub in Kampala are ok price wise. Clubs in Westlands I don't bother any more. Too upmarket.

Any guesses how long this is going to go on? I'm in touch with a girl who works at Jomo Kenyatta and she was the one to tell me about the strike which I later saw on the news (nothing about it here in Europe). Alltho the news (Africa news) claim it's over, she told me the ground crew is still on strike and there are lots of delays and canceled flights.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Taurus71;2295637]Any guesses how long this is going to go on? I'm in touch with a girl who works at Jomo Kenyatta and she was the one to tell me about the strike which I later saw on the news (nothing about it here in Europe). Alltho the news (Africa news) claim it's over, she told me the ground crew is still on strike and there are lots of delays and canceled flights.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Back to normal, as much as I can tell. It was just that day or two. But very full flights.

Flight delays coming from Addis. Didn't get in until 9 pm.

Changed money right inside the airport which seemed a little low (97) - my app is showing 99.7. However once I left the interior of the airport the rates strangely got even worse (95/96).

Hotel picked me up and easy transfer into the city.

10:30 pm decided a smart thing to do would be stroll around Moi Ave and Tom Mboya. Looking for a knocking shop. After three blocks quickly realized this was not a smart idea = instead, it was a really dumb fucking idea. Maybe still culture shock but a ton of young guys hanging out, and maybe 2 approaches per block. Was getting more attention than I liked.

Dove into a taxi and asked to go to only place I could remember. Black Diamond. 500, not sure what's normal, but everything seems cheap after Djibouti.

11 pm place started filling up with expats and freelancers. At least 5 pretty hot girls I would have done, but too much beer and Xanax, or lack of drive, or just not knowing how it works. Read so many stories of Nairobi girls screaming and being pushed out of hotel rooms etc etc. Wanted to approach a skinny spinner at the bar, but meh. Just wasn't into it. Beer was pretty inexpensive 350, and the bar food was good enough.

There's a strip bar right across from BD? I wanted to go in. But my waitress already got a taxi for me, so just headed back to hotel around midnight. Better luck tomorrow (hopefully).

Need to do more research. Mostly interested in the streets around the center, strip bars, and river road. But now that I'm here. Seeing that it's a lot more hard core than I imagined.

[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;2295947]Flight delays coming from Addis. Didn't get in until 9 pm.

Changed money right inside the airport which seemed a little low (97) - my app is showing 99.7. However once I left the interior of the airport the rates strangely got even worse (95/96).

Hotel picked me up and easy transfer into the city.

10:30 pm decided a smart thing to do would be stroll around Moi Ave and Tom Mboya. Looking for a knocking shop. After three blocks quickly realized this was not a smart idea = instead, it was a really dumb fucking idea. Maybe still culture shock but a ton of young guys hanging out, and maybe 2 approaches per block. Was getting more attention than I liked.

Dove into a taxi and asked to go to only place I could remember. Black Diamond. 500, not sure what's normal, but everything seems cheap after Djibouti.

11 pm place started filling up with expats and freelancers. At least 5 pretty hot girls I would have done, but too much beer and Xanax, or lack of drive, or just not knowing how it works. Read so many stories of Nairobi girls screaming and being pushed out of hotel rooms etc etc. Wanted to approach a skinny spinner at the bar, but meh. Just wasn't into it. Beer was pretty inexpensive 350, and the bar food was good enough.

There's a strip bar right across from BD? I wanted to go in. But my waitress already got a taxi for me, so just headed back to hotel around midnight. Better luck tomorrow (hopefully).

Need to do more research. Mostly interested in the streets around the center, strip bars, and river road. But now that I'm here. Seeing that it's a lot more hard core than I imagined.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind Senior Africa Mongers are experienced somewhat jaded mongers. Going on River road is kinda pointless even the bars there have severe hardcores there, I've made every noob mistake but the only time I paid for it was while walking around River road to see if there was a big difference even between Sabina joy girls and actual streetwalkers.

Short answer there is. You take a step down in looks and either there old or just worn out looking. I don't properly lock down my valuables at times yet the only time I "dropped" my phone (after being told several times to keep my phone out of sight) was on River Road. When I went to the ATM I noticed it was gone, I backtracked and I was told that I "dropped it" and I went ahead and gave her 4 k as a tip for finding my phone.

Thank god I have a strong password or I wouldn't have gotten it back. I went to a cell shop the next day and asked the guy could be break into my Iphone he said it was impossible.

Moral to the story stay away from River Road.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;2295015] There was an Kenyan celebrity chick that messaged a man that she'd be willing for 500 USD But that's a exceptionally beautiful girl who was a celebrity in her own right. If I were an expense account NGO country director then I'd pay 500 to say I knocked off a celebrity.[/QUOTE]And now we all got curious who that Lady is.

Sabina Joy.

You walk up a few flights of stairs and alight in the middle of. A sausage fest. Place was very packed at 5:30 pm on a Saturday.

It's a dark railroad-flat style club - 3 rooms in a row. Two bars front / back. Beers like 220 or something. Looks like you take the girls upstairs to beds.

Unsure why this place gets as much love as it does on this board, if it's always as I experienced it. Maybe 8 or 10 guys per girl. And maybe only 12 - 14 girls in the place (yes, over 100 guys) and only 3 doable girls. The rest were fuglies and fatties. The guys were just sitting around holding their bottles, and the few doable girls were in the middle of a group of guys that were plying them with multiple rounds of drinks. Not exactly the knocking-shop I was hoping for.

Also curious what race most mongers are that like Nairobi. I've only been in Africa weeks and have yet to see another white guy in these type clubs (or Eithiopia, Djibouti, Somolia etc). When I see them they're at places like Blacks or the hotel bars. Are white guys really wandering in and out of Sabina Joy and River Road and all the rest solo?

Then walked to River Road - #61, only 4 girls outside, tried to go upstairs but the gate was locked on second floor. Girls said there were girls inside but they were sleeping. Really? At 6:30 pm? The available girls were not looking like they just got made up for the prom. So I passed. Sorry, I love to shag. But I'm not coming back here at night to monger. Walked down River to Chillers. But I couldn't find it. I didn't bring my phone with me. Just piece of paper / map. I thought you turned left on Kumsai (SP) street and it's the second block. No-one knew what I was talking about.

Backtracked to Applebees. It's on the corner and has changed it's name. Went upstairs and it appears to be closed. Second floor looks like it was once a club. But grate was locked and empty. Said 'reception upstairs' and again. Locked. Meh.

Dark by 7 pm so grabbed a taxi back to hotel. Personally, I wouldn't suggest ANY white guy (or any green, purple, polka-dotted) guy to make that walk. I got more hard stares, shoulder bumps, and teenage boys messing around with me then anywhere I've been.

Overall, can't impressed with Nairobi (so far) as a mongering destination. A lot of dodgy walking to the CBD / river clubs, very few good looking girls, and the city is literally fucked. Almost any other destination has offered a better yield. Jakarta, Addis, Havana, Colombia. You name it.

Loved the artwork on the buses though and some of the rundown aesthetic.

Might try some more of the regular bars tonight. But not walking along river or around Archive, Moi etc on my own again. With bright blonde hair and skin like a snowman I'm just asking for some bad shit to happen.

ElephantBeer,

Sabina joy was overhauled I believe a few years back, drastically changed. Now it is just another CBD bar with over loud music but does have women available as you say, whether on the day you find anything is another thing.

White mongers will be using badoo or tinder from comfy coffee shops or their hotels and arranging meets. They will also be going to the Westland bars on a weekend like Havana, Gypsy, Black diamond or Brew bistro. That is my MO in Nbi as well as hitting on anything I see in shops or on the street.