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The truth is that the more mature men, while hampered by the effects of age, have a couple of things going for them. They are much more likely to have accumulated wealth, and are more willing to share it. These girls, like women all over the world (except the crazy ones) , want security and protection. In Colombia the flower of the family, could hitch her future to a local novio, but there just not many ways an unconnected Colombian boy can change socio-economic status. And a Colombian dude from a higher strata family is highly unlikely to be serious with some poor girl. Colombians are VERY class conscious.

I believe senior members are more likely to want a long term relationship with and to improve the life of the girl they have chosen, and are able to do it. I'll tell you that the appreciation and gratitude that I have received from my Paisa and her family far exceeds that I have received from my own children, who have never had a need go unmet, and have lived a life of privilege.

The Buddah teaches that the purpose of life is to eliminate the suffering of others. I'm thinking it's time to start a conversation in defense of Western Union novios. Until then,

Only good energy.

[QUOTE=EstebanH; 1186801]A couple of comments here. Many of your points are true. The tall dark handsome bartender kinda guy will always get fine, hot looking pussie. Generally, these types of girls are flashy and sexy as hell. The kind we would all like to bang.

I will disagree with you on one point. Serious girls, or girls of quality (from any social strata) are not as gullible. For these girls, who have a higher social or moral composition, will see through the bullshit. For these serious girls of quality, power and confidence trump looks, language skills and "game" any day. Women of quality might be teachers or doctors or just ordinary girls. These girls can be hot and extremely sexy, too, but are the real keepers in life. These girls can spot quality when it is there. The 50+ year old guy who is powerful and successful in life, is more sexy to them than any cholo-bartender type with good looks and good hair. Also, I hate to break the news to you young studs who have worked so hard at developing "game"; chances are very high you are going to get fat and / or loose your hair when you get 50+! When you are past your prime you will look like shit and have no money. The difference is that the doctor-lawyer-engineer-business owner guy who can afford to take multiple trips per year and laying down multiple thousands $$$ per trip will still be getting the very best hot latin pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1186999]The truth is that the more mature men, while hampered by the effects of age, have a couple of things going for them. They are much more likely to have accumulated wealth, and are more willing to share it. These girls, like women all over the world (except the crazy ones) , want security and protection. [B]In Colombia the flower of the family, could hitch her future to a local novio, but there just not many ways an unconnected Colombian boy can change socio-economic status.[/B] And a Colombian dude from a higher strata family is highly unlikely to be serious with some poor girl. Colombians are VERY class conscious.[/QUOTE]All tremendous points in this quoted excerpt that are spot in. But the majority here are comparing foreigners to foreigners.

Most all of us here are foreigners. Younger or older. In general foreigners feel they are in a different class than colombian men and hardly ever even consider colombian men as "the competition". Most every woman you guys are meeting will tell you how colombian men suck, it's a common thread in many posts here and is the mindset of the board.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1186999]. I believe senior members are more likely to want a long term relationship with and to improve the life of the girl they have chosen, and are able to do it. I'll tell you that the appreciation and gratitude that I have received from my Paisa and her family far exceeds that I have received from my own children, who have never had a need go unmet, and have lived a life of privilege.

The Buddah teaches that the purpose of life is to eliminate the suffering of others. I'm thinking it's time to start a conversation in defense of Western Union novios. Until then,

Only good energy.[/QUOTE]You said it brother!

Nothing wrong with Western Union and helping someone out, as long you're not getting played, I. E. Your "novia" saying "te amo papi" to 5 other Western Union novios.

There are fantastic girls out there who more than deserve help and whose affection is real, and of course there are the other sharks.

Have fun, and once again, with your eyes open.

Good energy amigos!

[QUOTE=Colbrotha;1186934]Both types (Older / distinguised / experienced/$$game vs. Younger / Yoked Out / Handsome / Broke as a Joke Game) have pros and cons. The surfer / cool guy has the Game of Youth and Good Looks; The Other has the Game of Wisdom and Experience and C. R. E. A. M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me, WuTang Major Hit Song). One guy is getting pussy thrown at him left and right, the other guy is buying people, assets, countries, etc, ballin out of control, a major shot caller in life.[/QUOTE]These are the extreme ends:

[I][B]Both types (Older / distinguised / experienced/$$game vs. Younger / Yoked Out / Handsome / Broke as a Joke Game) [/B][/I]

Not every older guy with confidence and cash is a fat bald socially inept bore. Not every young stud has tremendous game and is broke with no means.

Also to most eligible Colombianans a guy making 80K 100K 200K, well it's all the same to them. An 80K generous guy can take her on vacation and go StudioF a few times a year, movies 2X a month and dinner once a week and buy her gifts. If it is that guy's nature. A millionaire can be cheap. No one is showing their financials to these girls and pretty much what we say we do and have back home they need to take that as fact. So, to the Colombiana the guy spending $, (who may not be the one who is the millionaire) in her eyes is the better guy (in the money category that is). Just like the girl who has the bigger tits and tighter snatch and swallows is the better choice over another girl who may have better attributes somewhere else.

I don't know ANY guy here who would settle for a fat ugly woman 10 years his junior. Regardless if she is a good cook, punctual, sincere, loving, faithful and everything else [B]women think is important. Becuase THAT is not important to us. [/B]

Most guys here cannot tell the difference between the estrato 2/3 vs 4/5 and know what? Who cares? All that matters is her ass, how she looks and how she is in the sack. Most don't give a crap if she gets her nails done at a salon or her sister does them for her en casa.

[QUOTE=Colbrotha; 1186934]because these CATS have no game, not in the US, not in Colombia, not anywhere; Pretty pathetic actually. [B]Hence, all the money in the world won't change your personality or improve YOUR game substantially if you can't hold a conversation,[/B] when it is so lacking, as all of those LOSERS are so socially deficient. [B]Anybody can pull up to a hot chick in a Red Ferrari, you still have to get them in the car and have them WILLINGLY drop their panties of their own free will.[/B][/QUOTE]Gordon Gecko to Bud Fox: "You had what it takes to get into my office. Do you have what it takes to stay"

Think about this guys, in regards to being with a non pro in any country. [I]"I know a beautiful face and a nice body open a lot of doors but if she doesn't have the heart or the brains to back it up the whole bimbo thing gets real tired real fast." [/I]-author unknown.

Same for her. Super rich guy in a Ferrari is good to get in the front door but if he is putting her feet to sleep he will always just be a wallet she has no respect for and behind his back she is doinking the pool boy. Guevon.

Ditto the young blond haired rock body 25 year old sufer dude will also get in the door but if he is only in town once every 4 months for a week or if he can't take her out and they are sitting home watching videos every night then she might as well get herself a Colombiano who she can at least talk to.

If you are one of the two above you better count the days until she meets the guys that have the whole package. The guys with game in their 30s in good shape, with money who are also generous with it, have a personality and charisma, dance, speak fluent spanish that are in the same league as these girls with only a 10-20 year age difference who live full time in Colombia.

I think a distiction between the realm of objectivity and the realm of wishful thinking is getting unclear here. Who are maintaining / supporting that rich guys are more popular / sexy than handsome guys? Well, they are "gordo, viejo, feo gringos" (according to the words by some chicas in mayorista, centro casas, and CB, but not mine) with money. These girls say that the guys / gringos in question must pay more because no girls want to deal with them. Howver, having money is good. You can buy illusion. You can spend money, and believe that it makes you look sexy. Plus you buy beers to others, and they never disagree with you on anything. Congrats.

BTW, why isn't James Bond a fat, ugly, bald billionaire?

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1186999]The truth is that the more mature men, while hampered by the effects of age, have a couple of things going for them. They are much more likely to have accumulated wealth, and are more willing to share it. These girls, like women all over the world (except the crazy ones) , want security and protection. In Colombia the flower of the family, could hitch her future to a local novio, but there just not many ways an unconnected Colombian boy can change socio-economic status. And a Colombian dude from a higher strata family is highly unlikely to be serious with some poor girl. Colombians are VERY class conscious.

I believe senior members are more likely to want a long term relationship with and to improve the life of the girl they have chosen, and are able to do it. I'll tell you that the appreciation and gratitude that I have received from my Paisa and her family far exceeds that I have received from my own children, who have never had a need go unmet, and have lived a life of privilege.

The Buddah teaches that the purpose of life is to eliminate the suffering of others. I'm thinking it's time to start a conversation in defense of Western Union novios. Until then,

Only good energy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Matt Psyche; 1187113]I think a distiction between the realm of objectivity and the realm of wishful thinking is getting unclear here. Who are maintaining / supporting that rich guys are more popular / sexy than handsome guys? Well, they are "gordo, viejo, feo gringos" (according to the words by some chicas in mayorista, centro casas, and CB, but not mine) with money. These girls say that the guys / gringos in question must pay more because no girls want to deal with them. Howver, having money is good. You can buy illusion. You can spend money, and believe that it makes you look sexy. Plus you buy beers to others, and they never disagree with you on anything. Congrats.

BTW, why isn't James Bond a fat, ugly, bald billionaire?[/QUOTE]Ok Matt,

I will make more distinctions in regards to my comments. Fat, disgusting men of any age will always be revolting to girls. Lets differentiate older successful guys with added weight and thin / no hair. Most of the guys that I am referring to that go down there are successful, fine gentlemen that have good personalities, hygiene and disposable income. These are the men who have created and sustain the traveling P4P industry. Of course its an illusion. Were it not for these guys, this forum would not exist.

When I look around at young people today in the States there are more obese guys of the younger generation than there ever was when I was coming of age (1970's). I am 56, I have less than 20% body fat, I run six miles 4 days each week, I can bench press over 200 lbs and still have all my hair.

BTW. James Bond is a fictional character played by genetically gifted and highly paid actors.

[QUOTE=EstebanH; 1187129]Ok Matt,

I will make more distinctions in regards to my comments. Fat, disgusting men of any age will always be revolting to girls. Lets differentiate older successful guys with added weight and thin / no hair. Most of the guys that I am referring to that go down there are successful, fine gentlemen that have good personalities, hygiene and disposable income. These are the men who have created and sustain the traveling P4P industry. Of course its an illusion. Were it not for these guys, this forum would not exist.[/QUOTE]You are failing to reject / invalidate my point. Rather you are supporting my point.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1187129]I am 56, I have less than 20% body fat, I run six miles 4 days each week, I can bench press over 200 lbs and still have all my hair.[/QUOTE]That's great. You are better than my shape. I only run 1-2 miles evry day. Even if you are not rich (in colombian standard) girls will be after you.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1187129]BTW. James Bond is a fictional character played by genetically gifted and highly paid actors.[/QUOTE]I did not know that he was fictional. I thought he was playing cards and drinking Martini in Monaco this week.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie; 1187099]These are the extreme ends:

[I][B]Both types (Older / distinguised / experienced/$$game vs. Younger / Yoked Out / Handsome / Broke as a Joke Game) [/B][/I]

Not every older guy with confidence and cash is a fat bald socially inept bore. Not every young stud has tremendous game and is broke with no means.

Also to most eligible Colombianans a guy making 80K 100K 200K, well it's all the same to them. An 80K generous guy can take her on vacation and go StudioF a few times a year, movies 2X a month and dinner once a week and buy her gifts. If it is that guy's nature. A millionaire can be cheap. No one is showing their financials to these girls and pretty much what we say we do and have back home they need to take that as fact. So, to the Colombiana the guy spending $, (who may not be the one who is the millionaire) in her eyes is the better guy (in the money category that is). Just like the girl who has the bigger tits and tighter snatch and swallows is the better choice over another girl who may have better attributes somewhere else.

I don't know ANY guy here who would settle for a fat ugly woman 10 years his junior. Regardless if she is a good cook, punctual, sincere, loving, faithful and everything else [B]women think is important. Becuase THAT is not important to us. [/B]

Most guys here cannot tell the difference between the estrato 2/3 vs 4/5 and know what? Who cares? All that matters is her ass, how she looks and how she is in the sack. Most don't give a crap if she gets her nails done at a salon or her sister does them for her en casa.

Gordon Gecko to Bud Fox: "You had what it takes to get into my office. Do you have what it takes to stay"

Think about this guys, in regards to being with a non pro in any country. [I]"I know a beautiful face and a nice body open a lot of doors but if she doesn't have the heart or the brains to back it up the whole bimbo thing gets real tired real fast." [/I]-author unknown.

Same for her. Super rich guy in a Ferrari is good to get in the front door but if he is putting her feet to sleep he will always just be a wallet she has no respect for and behind his back she is doinking the pool boy. Guevon.

Ditto the young blond haired rock body 25 year old sufer dude will also get in the door but if he is only in town once every 4 months for a week or if he can't take her out and they are sitting home watching videos every night then she might as well get herself a Colombiano who she can at least talk to.

If you are one of the two above you better count the days until she meets the guys that have the whole package. The guys with game in their 30s in good shape, with money who are also generous with it, have a personality and charisma, dance, speak fluent spanish that are in the same league as these girls with only a 10-20 year age difference who live full time in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Not every older guy is a stump and not every younger guy has a clue.

I went to Italy and France about 5 years ago. Not once did I feel the need to log onto ANY website or read ANY book about how to meet women (non pros. As if they need a label).

The fact that one needs to ask that question means you don't have game and probably have issues with the ladies back home. You prob have not figured out how to be a man or how to treat a woman. And you know what? It's already too late. There is no class on how to step it up. It is and will always be an obvious act you cannot sustain.

Does James Bond or Brad Pitt need to search the web to find out how to meet girls for their upcoming vacation? I think not.

If you have to ask you are most likely going to have a problem and should stick to pros. Colombia is Colombia not Pluto and women are women. The only reason to ask about Non Pros in another country is if you have problems with non pros in your own country.

Sorry for the harsh words, but they had to be said.

[QUOTE=Sailor Jim; 1187201]I went to Italy and France about 5 years ago. Not once did I feel the need to log onto ANY website or read ANY book about how to meet women (non pros. As if they need a label).

The fact that one needs to ask that question means you don't have game and probably have issues with the ladies back home. You prob have not figured out how to be a man or how to treat a woman. And you know what? It's already too late. There is no class on how to step it up. It is and will always be an obvious act you cannot sustain.

Does James Bond or Brad Pitt need to search the web to find out how to meet girls for their upcoming vacation? I think not.

If you have to ask you are most likely going to have a problem and should stick to pros. Colombia is Colombia not Pluto and women are women. The only reason to ask about Non Pros in another country is if you have problems with non pros in your own country.

Sorry for the harsh words, but they had to be said.[/QUOTE]What a can of worms we've opned! How is this so hard for some of you guys to understand? Ya'll acting like a gang of monkeys trying to figure out an algebra problem in ancient Latin! Salor Jim you post is spot on! I applaud your "tough love" tone in this post. It did have to be said.

How does that expression go?"If you have to ask how much it is than you can' afford it." Same principle applies, but with girls instead of money; if you're asking how, where, when, to meet normal girls then chances are you'd fail if you ever did find yourself with some normal girls (non working girls!). We use this forum to find quality working girls! Normal girls are everywhere! Professional working girls are not! That is why we need and enjoy this community; to find Sexy Chicks who screw for money and for us to stay safe while doing so!

We are talking about non-pros / normal girls/ not working girls. Keep this in mind it seems some people are are wavering between the two and this is an important distinction.

Those in the "Older Rich Gentlemen" camp: Your money will only take you to the door (pussy) , the person you are will determine if that door opens and you get to stroll in. Same with the "Younger Normal Gentlemen" Same shit. You're looks will take you to the door but if you same some lame / jerk style stuff you're not getting laid.

If you're in good shape. 45-55, and you might be mistaken for the "Worlds Most Interesting Ma" and you have disposable income then good for you! I'm betting you're not. When push comes to shove for a one night stand or to start off a relationship or just hooking up. Handsome and stupid will trump Rich and Nice. For the short term. Long term. Too many factors to generalize. But we're talking meeting non-pros so.

It's that simple, the person you are IS what is important in life; all aspects of life not just picking up chicks. At the end of the day you die and if you have lead a life of being cool and helping other people you'll die a rich person and we well thought of. If you were some rich jerk in life for all of your life you'll die a rich jerk and be remembered as such!

The last thing about Regular Girls: If you have never picked up a girl (either phone number, hook up, or sex) at a bar, restaurant, club, coffee shop, super market, random location / ect. You're not going to be able to do it in a foreign country where you have little to no language skills and for shit sure the girl does not either! No matter how rich or handsome you are regardless of age!

I think you are missing the point. If a rich old guy is sexier than a young or middle-aged handsome guy, as some members believe, why isn't Bond a big, old billionaire? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sailor Jim; 1187201]I went to Italy and France about 5 years ago. Not once did I feel the need to log onto ANY website or read ANY book about how to meet women (non pros. As if they need a label).

The fact that one needs to ask that question means you don't have game and probably have issues with the ladies back home. You prob have not figured out how to be a man or how to treat a woman. And you know what? It's already too late. There is no class on how to step it up. It is and will always be an obvious act you cannot sustain.

Does James Bond or Brad Pitt need to search the web to find out how to meet girls for their upcoming vacation? I think not.

If you have to ask you are most likely going to have a problem and should stick to pros. Colombia is Colombia not Pluto and women are women. The only reason to ask about Non Pros in another country is if you have problems with non pros in your own country.

Sorry for the harsh words, but they had to be said.[/QUOTE]

1) If you send a dime, you're a moron. OF COURSE the girl has multiple guys sending her money.

2) Where the fuck does this "I'm the man so I should pay for dates" etc shit come from? Do you guys know what YEAR it is? If you're paying for shit with a woman, you should just go with p4p. PERIOD! If a guy and a girl don't have money to do anything and wind up watching videos every night, how the hell is that not every bit as much the woman's responsibility as it is the man's?

3) The best way to keep a girl LONG TERM IMO is to be really good in bed. This comes with experience, and p4p is the BEST for really ramping up your abilities quickly, especially if you take things on that tip instead of just looking out for your own pleasure.

4) YMMV is ALL ABOUT the fact that a lot of guys may have a lot of money, but money can't buy everything. This is why we see so many reports about chica X in casa Y where one guy gets BBBJTCIMNQNS and GFE and all the other acronyms and some other dude gets rushed out the door almost before he pops. The biggie is maintaining your body in good shape, and this can still be done WAY past 50.

5) Colombian women by and large PREFER Colombian men. They like a guy they can talk to, that has a whole culture in common with them. Not to mention Colombians take a lot better care of themselves than North Americans, and that includes the men. ASIDE FROM THEIR MONEY most foreingers are actually at a DISADVANTAGE on the dating market here. You may get some action on the "exotic factor" but that doesn't go as far as you might think it will.

Pro, non pro, Game, no game. Old and fat or young stud. Who really gives a fuck but the guy himself. You guys can write about this till your blue in the face, and guess what? No one will change his opinion because of what the opposing side writes.

All I can say is I will be in Colombia next month, and I will send out trip reports with facts. Not how many orgasimos I gave the girls, but prices, locations and general news that a true monger can use.

What a fair $amount to give a young and pretty Paisita to spend a week vacation with con sexo?

[Quote=John Gault]All I can say is I will be in Colombia next month, and I will send out trip reports with facts. Not how many orgasimos I gave the girls, but prices, locations and general news that a true monger can use.[/Quote]

All I can say is that I wish all posters had this intention as I'm soooo sick of reading about performances, techniques and "sexual scorecards" that I could vomit!

So, PLEASE, PLEASE and PLEASE guys, we, in general, know how to perform the sex act so we don't need "Penthouse Forumesq-like" reports.

To quote Jack Webb through his character of Sgt. Joe Friday."Just the facts" (and I know I'm really dating myself with this). just exactly what JG is going to do!