Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1663911]I went to the Grand Palace one afternoon in November. I observed a couple of guys with shorts sternly told they had to cover their legs before they could enter the Wat Phra Si Rattanasadaram.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately they are practising hypocrisy as the rules for Dress for Farangs are stricter than for the local Thais at the Grand Palace. A westerner could dress the same as a Thai and be considered disrespectful, where the Thai person isn't. Clear racial discrimination based on the assumption that Farangs are dirty and smelly, or perhaps purely a money making measure to force Farangs to pay a charge to borrow some shoes and socks for example. I was refused entry to whole Palace tour for wearing sandals where the locals were all wearing sandals. My sandals were "disrespectful".

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1664013]"Let's be honest: There are some cities in the world that are worse much worse than others, cities from which a multitude would flee if offered half a chance to relocate elsewhere.========== Nairobi, ====, Manila. These are utterly charmless cities .[/QUOTE]Charm. I don't go there for charm. I go for cheap, young pussy, not available to me in the good ole USA. Also some of the night life is quite good. I don't think these two cities are on the same level as Lagos. I would not even get off the plane in Lagos. Don't knock them till you tried them.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1663973]I'm hard pressed to think of any country where shorts are considered proper attire when not in a beach setting. Exceptions exist, but they are just that; exceptions.[/QUOTE]Then I guess Holland is one of the exceptions. Most of the Dutch don't give a shit what you're wearing.

By the way: has anyone got laid lately in Bangkok? In shorts or pants or whatever? Please post a report! Please please, LOL!

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1664053][U]IMO:[/U]

Shorts [I]well[/I] below the knee = the style for Thai men.

Shorts at or just below the knee = borderline.

Shorts above the knee = you will stick out like a sore thumb.

None of this applies to the ladies; as their cigar-band sized shorts are always in fashion.

YMMV.[/QUOTE]Below the knee shorts are not Shorts at all, but short pants. Starting to get silly unless needing to walk though flooded streets (LOL) where jeans are too long. Just above the knee flat material (not pleated like golfers wear) in khaki, navy, olive, stone colours are fine practical wear for everyday use in very hot weather, not too loose or baggy but a good fit, not trying to make a fashion statement at all, and not for nightclubs, merely to be acceptable. Maybe its not so widespread in Thailand as yet, and I admit to wearing shorts infrequently, but definitely on the rise and more accepted by Thais in general. I don't care what old Farangs think of it. Shorts are clearly very casual wear and must only be used with very casual shirts obviously. Nothing even slightly formal. Like would be silly with a long sleeved shirt.

Sweaty Singlets on the top are not "cool" at all. I believe this is seen as slob (Farang "khee nok") style by Thais. Thongs are also not great except for beach wear. Beech is where any type of shorts might come in.

Socks with sandals as in Natty's pic, is completely stupid. The whole point of sandals is to avoid the socks and give feet plenty of air. If your are wearing socks, you may as well wear proper shoes. I wear socks and shoes in Thailand for special occasions only (or the office if I had one - but I work from home). Its just too hot for socks.

In the end you have to ask yourself the question, "Am I trying to feel comfortable, or who am I trying to impress?" This will govern your decision.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1663985] The same discussions tend to resurface over and over again. How to dress in Bangkok and whether it matters is one example. I think everyone should dress as he feels comfortable, physically and socially. [/QUOTE]If a farang is coming to Thailand to do business, or visit temples and palaces, go to gentlemen's clubs, nightclubs, high class restaurants with wives or pricy escorts, and such; by all means do bring and wear your business suits, designer slacks, long sleeved silk shirts and ties, together with your Rolex watches and other expensive gold and silver bling. You'll feel comfortable and fit right in. No one will think you a fool. Don't bother to bring any shorts. Don't wear shorts. If you do, you won't fit in and will likely be thought of as a fool.

I'm certainly no stranger to formal wear. For many years my professional activities obliged me to wear a business suit, long sleeved dress shirt and tie every weekday. No, I never dressed casual nor ever wore shorts to my office or in the courtroom. I dressed according to the requirements of the situation and that's exactly what farangs should do in Thailand.

Today, I've been essentially retired from the profession during the last 19 years, and living in Thailand for the last 7 years in the resort area of Jomtien and Pattaya. I don't even own a single business suit today. I brought some pairs of slacks and a few long sleeved shirts from the USA but almost never wear them here. There's no need. I don't do business, visit temples, or eat at high class restaurants, frequent gentlemen's clubs or nightclubs. That's not my thing.

It's usually hotter than Hell in Thailand day and night. If you go to Thailand to monger in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, or Patpong in Bangkok; Walking Street, Beach Road or Soi LK Metro in Pattaya; if you want to visit the brothels, Go-Go bars, beer bars, and pick up SW's; if you want to go to massage shops, and soapies any time, day or night; eat at most restaurants and street vendor carts; do almost any activity at all, you should feel most comfortable dressing casual, usually in shorts, short sleeved shirt, t-shirt and sandals or sneakers. No one will think you a fool except perhaps some snobby morons who insist that grown men never wear shorts except to the beach.

Always remember that you are a farang and will always be a farang in Thailand whether you are a tourist or a long term expat who speaks Thai fluently. You will never ever be accepted as a Thai. The Thai people expect farangs to be farangs, dress like farangs; and foreigners to dress like foreigners. So if you wear a turban, for example in your country, no Thai will think you a fool for wearing it here.

No girl who works at a soapy or oily massage shop is going to think you a fool for walking through the door wearing a pair of clean shorts, a t-shirt and sandals. After all, you're going to be stripped naked, your clothes piled in a heap, within the first 5 minutes after you arrive; likewise with bar girls and every other kind of hooker. They will certainly like you if you have money; are clean, pleasant, smell good, well groomed and neatly dressed in casual apparel, including shorts and sandals, just as much they might like the anal retentive moron who never wears shorts even when the weather is scorching hot and the sweat drenching his entire body.

Take it from Daddy; that's how most farangs should dress in the land of smiles.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1664167]Always remember that you are a farang and will always be a farang in Thailand whether you are a tourist or a long term expat who speaks Thai fluently. You will never ever be accepted as a Thai. The Thai people expect farangs to be farangs, dress like farangs; and foreigners to dress like foreigners. So if you wear a turban, for example in your country, no Thai will think you a fool for wearing it here.
[/QUOTE]Well said. We can be influenced by Thais to try to be cool and have better manners, but in the end we are still Farang. Just that we don't need to be the very worst Farang: arrogant, aggressive, sloppy and stinky.

Being clean and polite is going to be rated far higher than being in top fashion. I don't want to waste money buying the latest fashions each year. I use clothes now till they wear out. I also don't wear suits and ties anymore even though I work in a European country. Dress expectations are quite relaxed and casual in Europe, as others have noted.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1663973]No, I live in the slobocracy of SoCal, where you can wear shorts for practically everything. However, apparently unlike you, I have traveled to places outside the USA and the farang ghettoes of BKK. I'm hard pressed to think of any country where shorts are considered proper attire when not in a beach setting. Exceptions exist, but they are just that; exceptions.

I don't care what anybody wears, but if one dresses like [I]farang kee nok[/I] then one should expect to be treated as such.[/QUOTE]Take a look at a map of the world. There's a large island just south of Asia. It has "Australia" written on it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1664090]Huh? Jakarta is one of the last great places for p4 p left. Good attitudes a wide variety of prices. And Indonesian chicks are great performers. But Jakarta is not a place you would want to live if you were not working there. And source? A Forbes article? Better to read about it on the Jakarta forum here or go visit yourself.[/QUOTE]What's so great about it? The only Indo chick I ever met was in Singapore, her attitude was awful, service lousy, just average looking & didn't speak a word of English.

Every source I've seen about Jakarta says the same as the article, including a bunch of recent comments on a well known Thai visa forum. Even if the PFP there was half way decent, the city itself is pathetic, a nightmare & a dump.

For the same reasons I'd never set foot in AC or Manila, if anywhere in the PI. Bangkok is far superior.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1664167]No girl who works at a soapy or oily massage shop is going to think you a fool for walking through the door wearing a pair of clean shorts, a t-shirt and sandals. After all, you're going to be stripped naked, your clothes piled in a heap, within the first 5 minutes after you arrive; likewise with bar girls and every other kind of hooker. They will certainly like you if you have money; are clean, pleasant, smell good, well groomed and neatly dressed in casual apparel, including shorts and sandals, just as much they might like the anal retentive moron who never wears shorts even when the weather is scorching hot and the sweat drenching his entire body.

Take it from Daddy; that's how most farangs should dress in the land of smiles.[/QUOTE]I find it easy to dress nicely, as in not wearing shorts but pants as Thais generally do, and not get sweaty & stink. Thailand has cheap air conditioned taxis & mass transit to get you where you're going smelling clean & fresh. There's really no excuse.

Even with shorts you are going to sweat if you're out in the heat for long enough, so you might as well dress in a manner that is respected, respectful & improves your odds with the ladies.

Even the male Thais often compliment me on dressing as they do. But never once has that occurred when I was wearing shorts.

Take it from Pinkpearl; that's the truth & how you should dress in Siam.

If you are concerned about stench, I suggest you do as Brad Pitt & invest in some Chanel number 5.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1663862]Hookers don't care what you're wearing. Short pants wearing falangs look like fools. If you have no self respect, fine. Walk around in a jock strap. Make a ******* of yourself.[/QUOTE]A jockstrap? Now there's an idea. I'd do it if it was not I'd have too much trouble avoiding the LBs trying to pinch my shapely butt. ;)

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1664077] Feel free to wear whatever you like.[/QUOTE]So kind of you to give me your permission, P. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], I mean peace, out.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1664225]What's so great about it? The only Indo chick I ever met was in Singapore, her attitude was awful, service lousy, just average looking & didn't speak a word of English.[/QUOTE]

I don't visit as often as these days but have lived there years back for several years and know just a smattering of Bahasa. Great experience!

Jakarta is a haven for P4 P but agree much nicer to live in Bkk. Unlike LOS, local ceweks luv bule meat. Not sure what sources you're relying, maybe you should visit one day. As usual, YMMV.

As I'm usually on the go-go bar scene, I decided to try the FreeLancers in a night club for a change. I've had good experiences at Insomina in Pattaya before, but never ventured down such venues in Bangkok.

I went to Climax pretty late, after warming up on Soi Cowboy. There was one Coyote in Tilac whose ass was amazing. The way she moved it, man! At some point I couldn't hold it anymore and physically moved from my seat a few yards away to the one directly underneath her chrome pole. She was litterally shaking her money-maker a few inches from my face. Other farangs next to me were looking at me weird, but when you're hypnotized there is nothing you can do about it. After a while my beer bottle was empty so I asked for the check-bin and just left.

As I was walking into Climax some time after 2 am, suitably warmed up by the Tilac coyote episode, I locked eyes with a girl and she said: "Did I see you before?" Of course I lied and said yes. She asked where, and I improvised: "Dancing over there", pointing in a vague direction. I figured that statistically it was a safe bet. We started talking, she did some dirty dancing with me. The way she rubbed herself against me made her look like a real working girl, not one of those amateurs who have a proper day job.

After a while, I suggested we go out to a hotel together, and she asked: "You pay me?" Of course I replied in the affirmative. A lengthy pause made me realize that it was my turn to make things more precise, so I asked how much. We agreed on a price and off we went.

Now here's a question for you experienced gentlemen: is there a good short-time hotel within walking distance of Climax? Ideally with a safe and clean-looking. Near Nana Plaza I know the FreeLancers have good addresses, but this girl seemed a bit lost when I told her I wasn't willing to take her back to my hotel. Eventually she found a place but it was far, expensive and somewhat dodgy.

In the taxi on the way, she blurted out of the blue: "You say you've seen me before, then why I didn't seen you?" Oh darn, my opening lie was coming back to haunt me! Should I admit I'd just bullshitted in order to open the conversation with her? No way: I just brazened it out and told her: "Because I'm wearing black. " Obviously that would not make any sense to any normal human being. But she looked me up and down and was satisfied that I was a good-enough liar for her taste. Sometimes a blatant lie, if delivered smoothly enough, is better than the truth.

There must have been something about my bald-faced lying abilities that turned her on, because she gave me a very long and enthusiastic performance, similar to the Ding I reviewed a few days ago. Lots of kissing and intimacy. I walked out of there not knowing what hit me, a typhoon or a tornado.

By the way, I don't want you guys to think I only have great experiences with the working girls, because between Ding from Mandarin and the girl from Climax, I barfined a chick with big tits from Rainbow 4 in Nana named June and that was crap.

Conclusion is: even though this is a new experience for me in Bangkok, I think I will start patronizing discos with FreeLancers, at least after 2 am, because the talent is strong.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1664364]As I'm usually on the go-go bar scene, I decided to try the FreeLancers in a night club for a change. I've had good experiences at Insomina in Pattaya before, but never ventured down such venues in Bangkok.

I went to Climax pretty late, after warming up on Soi Cowboy. There was one Coyote in Tilac whose ass was amazing. The way she moved it, man! At some point I couldn't hold it anymore and physically moved from my seat a few yards away to the one directly underneath her chrome pole. She was litterally shaking her money-maker a few inches from my face. Other farangs next to me were looking at me weird, but when you're hypnotized there is nothing you can do about it. After a while my beer bottle was empty so I asked for the check-bin and just left.

As I was walking into Climax some time after 2 am, suitably warmed up by the Tilac coyote episode, I locked eyes with a girl and she said: "Did I see you before?" Of course I lied and said yes. She asked where, and I improvised: "Dancing over there", pointing in a vague direction. I figured that statistically it was a safe bet. We started talking, she did some dirty dancing with me...[/QUOTE]But the most important question what all are thinking, what did you wear?

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1664040]You're using a 5 yr old opinion piece? I've been to Jakarta a couple of times. Not great but certainly not terrible. Try Central and South Jakarta. South Jakarta is clean, modern, wide roads, etc. Lots of moola in both Central and South. And if you're worried about HIV, use condoms.

Canadian streetwalkers? Ugh. I'm from Montreal and I live near the infamous Jarvis / Church St. Stroll in TO. You cannot pay me enough to go near those "women".[/QUOTE]Wow you live arond that cabbage town? Place has been gentrifying. Hooka harvee's? LOL, any sw there now? Was dead one night I passed on Sept. No one.

I had a beautifal blonde SW almost 10 years ago, I couldn't believe nmy eyes as she stood out from allthe rest by a mile. By a mile. Like model pretty but not runway thin. And she was so sweet sweet and not hardened with any attitude it was unreal.