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Lucifier. Seems they don't hire foreigner manager to control their staff here, be careful visiting this place. Things got out of control, bouncers wanted to fight and mamasan screaming over nothing. A foreigner manager would have shut it all down as not an issue. But the Filipinos are very hot headed when left to their own so watch out for this place if you drink too much or get out of their favor. This is why foreigner managers are hired. To prevent the hot headed reaction Filipinos tend to have. Last thing you want on a vacation is for the cops to show up. When a bar can't control their staff and mamasan and look for a fight. Yes an actual fight. Come outside now and I'll show you who's boss type of fight. Then you have to take a step back and realize other bars are better options.

Be safe out there guys, last thing you want is to have trouble over nothing. Look for the clubs with a manager present.

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2917441]Are there places in the provinces where we can find how Angeles used to be 15 or 20 years ago? I would like to go back to those times. Where could you suggest to visit like this?[/QUOTE]Provincial areas like Angeles?? Subic and Sabang both have door to door bars (though much fewer). No where has the cheap fun party atmosphere of 20 years ago. Those days are long gone.

The provinces do have girls without attitude, Jolliebellies exorbitant prices etc and are just generally much nicer areas than Angeles.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2917452]Not really. Many provincial towns have a small set of crappy gogo bars, but nothing like the AC of yesteryear. I find that many of those small town gogos are full of fuglies, and are over-priced at that.

Others weigh in.[/QUOTE]Also, it may not be such a good idea for the only white guy in a bar full of pinoys to go buying drinks for the one looker there .

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2917536]...So in the Manila tread they even say they have to pay 4-5 k bar fine than they also have to pay the girl another 5 k ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2917544]Posted a report didn't get upload it looks like so I'll repost people in Manila are saying they are paying chicks 5 k to hangout with them and than another 5 k to have fun in the hotel with them than they also say they have to pay 4-5 k bar fine and than the chicks wants money on top of that usually the same amount which is crazy that's like 22-250 CAD I'm wondering in angles does the bar fine also including the service with the girl or does she want extra money for services after you have bar fined her? [/QUOTE]You have mixed up a few different markets.

Girls in Manila come at wildly varying prices. I'm talking 800 p for a girl on an over pass to 20 k+ for someone who sees herself as prime quality. We may say they are delusional but its not unusual to find girls sticking to these prices as she only needs one simp a month to still make great money.

Sugar Daddies might fall in love and pay your quoted 5 k to meet, then 5 to 10 k per night on top of this for for extras. Burgos caters to visiting businessmen. Its the most expensive area in manila outside high end KTVs and is 3900 barfine plus 4-6 k tip paid direct to the girl. Yes, it will be a $200+ night with drinks etc. LA Cafe or online might be 2-4 k. A rough street walker, 1-2 k and a horror down a dark alley, 800. As I said, a very wide range.

AC barfines are 3-6 k, paid 100% upfront before leaving the bar and include the girls' fee. On the street or online might be 1. 5-4 k.

Pick the price, beauty, convenience trade off that suits you. Everyone is different.

Note that many guys say that a high price does not guarantee good performance.

Enjoy. G.

Thanks brotha! Love that reply makes a lot of sense exactly the point the simps that are willing to pay a chick 200 $ plus she'll hold out for him than she'll go and tell all her friend well this is what I'm getting paid and they will expect the same amount because her friends / co worker are getting that. Also heard a lot of bars only want to carter now to the Koreans are they will pay higher prices I even seen an expat living there for years walking past few bars and the some girls didn't even give him attention they were only waiting for the Koreans to come. I think I'll be posted in angles city as prices seem pretty reasonable and I heard everyone talking about AC what's the full name of the bar? Sounds like a stupid question but I can't find anything.

Ahh you prob been AC as angels city I thought there was a bar in Angeles city called AC so never mind that stupid question.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2916964]When you say Barfine 2500 for Perimeter bars for example. That is literally JUST the barfine? So the girl is paid on top? Isn't that. Very expensive? So what. 2500-3000 barfine for the night + paying for the girl which is I assume between 4000-5000 at least for a young and hot one? So all in all for a hot below 25 year old that would mean 7 - 10 k on the lower end is that correct? I am just trying to get an understanding of the current pricing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2916984]Its well known on the board that AC barfines are all-inclusive. No tip or payment 'on top' is done (unless you are feeling generous). You might be confusing the AC system with the Makati / Burgos or Thai gogo systems of barfine+tip. While the Burgos barfine (4 k typical) + morning tip to the girl (5 k typical) offers incentive for the girl to stay the night and complete the morning pop (hence the morning tip), the entire AC barfine is paid up-front, leaving the girl to depart early or give crappy service as she knows she will not be tipped in the morning. The Burgos system costs twice as much as AC, but almost guarantees the girl will complete the assignment to your satisfaction. The AC system costs half as much as Burgos, but you will get more crappy performers or runners. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Please RTTF.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2917544]Posted a report didn't get upload it looks like so I'll repost people in Manila are saying they are paying chicks 5 k to hangout with them and than another 5 k to have fun in the hotel with them than they also say they have to pay 4-5 k bar fine and than the chicks wants money on top of that usually the same amount which is crazy that's like 22-250 CAD I'm wondering in angles does the bar fine also including the service with the girl or does she want extra money for services after you have bar fined her? Obviously I'm new the Asia forums my first time going got it booked and don't want to be messing up prices for anyone else so a quick reply would help everyone out and what should be expected to pay for ST / LT?[/QUOTE]Serious failure to RTFF. The two posts above (Argo and mine) describe the situation from just one page (and less than 2 weeks) back.

Go is correct, you are mixing up the AC market (one all-inclusive price of barfine only, paid before departing the bar, and nothing to the girl after; total about p5000) and the Burgos / Makati market (two prices: a barfine paid to the bar before departure with your honey, + a pre-negotiated tip you pay to the girl upon her departure the following morning; total about p10,000).

$255 for a Burgos girl is not insane. While 3rd world countries offer hotties for much lower prices, the Burgos market is the Burgos market. Burgos prices have stayed at the same level, even after covid, for a dozen years; zero inflation). A girl in AC will run you $75 - $100 USD (a near-doubling of prices since pre-covid). Girls can be had for less than that, but in other markets (SW comes to mind). Keep in mind that NCR high-end girls (and in every big city in the world) can go for $ multiples of the Burgos girls, but they are not available on the open market. And there are other markets you might want to consider. With all of this in mind, its possible you want to consider another country (Thailand, DR, and Columbia come to mind).

Please, read back 20 or so pages in the thread for each city / area that you want to visit on this Board. Alternately contact member Wicked Roger in PM; he is very knowledgeable.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2917696]Serious failure to RTFF. The two posts above (Argo and mine) describe the situation from just one page (and less than 2 weeks) back.

Go is correct, you are mixing up the AC market (one all-inclusive price of barfine only, paid before departing the bar, and nothing to the girl after; total about p5000) and the Burgos / Makati market (two prices: a barfine paid to the bar before departure with your honey, + a pre-negotiated tip you pay to the girl upon her departure the following morning; total about p10,000).

$255 for a Burgos girl is not insane. While 3rd world countries offer hotties for much lower prices, the Burgos market is the Burgos market. Burgos prices have stayed at the same level, even after covid, for a dozen years; zero inflation). A girl in AC will run you $75 - $100 USD (a near-doubling of prices since pre-covid). Girls can be had for less than that, but in other markets (SW comes to mind). Keep in mind that NCR high-end girls (and in every big city in the world) can go for $ multiples of the Burgos girls, but they are not available on the open market. And there are other markets you might want to consider. With all of this in mind, its possible you want to consider another country (Thailand, DR, and Columbia come to mind).

Please, read back 20 or so pages in the thread for each city / area that you want to visit on this Board. Alternately contact member Wicked Roger in PM; he is very knowledgeable.[/QUOTE]$200 seems about right especially in Makati (Burgos). $4 k barfine and girl is usually 5 k that's 9 k and a bit for drinks if you don't stay too long. $255 could be true if you stay and party a bit. The 5 k for girl seems to be about standard now, how long they stay depends. If she really likes you all night is possible, if she don't that's ST. Looks can matter too, a smoker ST may be all you get. I know a real beauty I've seen a few times and I get 5 k as she knows me usually all night but not always. She told be last trip I got to go early high roller coming tomorrow taking me to Boracay for 5 days,20 k a day. WOW! Good for you, but as with anything they can at times get allot for their services. She is hot and a good lay so this does not surprise me. Still coming from US $255 is still a bargin, as I rarely even see girls like her in US and I travel allot. A working girl here of her quality certainly would not be $255,not even close.

Vikings bar still remains locked after the raid some weeks ago, many of the girls have moved on to other bars, saw some of them in shooters bar and geckos bar.

The town over the last couple of weeks has been very quiet to say the least, very very few western tourists and even though the Asian punter numbers have gone down too the Asians are still by far the dominant force by a long way.

Prices keep on going one way and that is up, many many below average, older plain janes are demanding 5 and 6 thousand pesos short time 1 pop, some earlier posters were saying that there is only 1 price barfine now in many bars and that is true, long time barfines are indeed a thing of the past it seems.

Drinks only girls, Asian only girls, early runners, Cherrie girls and I don't give blow job girls are to be found in most bars in high numbers, it seems that bar girls rule the roost, they do what they want when they want, seems management and mamas have given up with rules and just let the girls dictate their terms.

New bar has opened up on walking street called Madonna bar, its had lots of money spent on it and is still a work in progress but opening up as is to get some pesos back, prices seem high for punter drinks, think it was 150 or 160 pesos for sml from recollection, girl drinks 400 peso, barfines from memory started at 6,000 peso, ill head in again over the weekend and double check the prices to be sure, some ok looking girls (not stunners) seemed busy with koreans, not sure if the owners are koreans but they sure had a korean manager, I was the only westerner when there, over all a nice big bar, prices seem excessive though.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2917700]..She told be last trip I got to go early high roller coming tomorrow taking me to Boracay for 5 days,20 k a day. WOW! Good for you, but as with anything they can at times get allot for their services...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2917726]..barfines from memory STARTED* at 6,000 peso....[/QUOTE]So my offers of 1 k for a night of suckie fuckie might be out of the question?? 😳.

All jokes aside, we have concentrated on girls' prices and how outrageous they are to us mere mortals. However, many mongers are flush with cash and a couple of $'000 is nothing. Paying big dollar amounts is one thing but I've also seen guys shut doors in bars (ie barfine every girl present) for private parties and fly favourite girls to god knows where.

I'm not jealous, really I'm not. 🤬.

Enjoy. G.

*my emphasis.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2917677]Thanks brotha! Love that reply makes a lot of sense exactly the point the simps that are willing to pay a chick 200 $ plus she'll hold out for him than she'll go and tell all her friend well this is what I'm getting paid and they will expect the same amount because her friends / co worker are getting that. Also heard a lot of bars only want to carter now to the Koreans are they will pay higher prices I even seen an expat living there for years walking past few bars and the some girls didn't even give him attention they were only waiting for the Koreans to come. I think I'll be posted in angles city as prices seem pretty reasonable and I heard everyone talking about AC what's the full name of the bar? Sounds like a stupid question but I can't find anything.[/QUOTE]Just for the record, you absolutely don't have to rely on bars in angeles or P. Burgos (makati) for girls. P Burgos specifically caters to corporate clients and embassy workers who live and work nearby, has been their market for decades as W said. Burgos bars are fun if you have corporate card to use or you're in town for a night or two. AC bars are fun and will continue to have defenders to the death on this forum and others. Same can be said for LA Cafe (but no defenders LOL).

But the truth in the matter is, the above listed options are way overpriced for what you get. Some people are happy with that, others not so much. The true beauty of the Philippines is the plethora of regular girls who aren't in bars, in their youthful and sexual primes, who are still ready, willing and eager to get some paid or free fun. You don't have to pay these girls $200 and above, though some will ask. Most will be happy with 2-3 k pesos (angeles) to 5 k-6 k pesos (Manila, though many Manila girls will be happy with 3 k as well) for all night.

RTFF, you'll know where to find these golden freelancers and semi-pros.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2917743]Just for the record, you absolutely don't have to rely on bars in angeles or P. Burgos (makati) for girls. P Burgos specifically caters to corporate clients and embassy workers who live and work nearby, has been their market for decades as W said. Burgos bars are fun if you have corporate card to use or you're in town for a night or two. AC bars are fun and will continue to have defenders to the death on this forum and others. Same can be said for LA Cafe (but no defenders LOL).

But the truth in the matter is, the above listed options are way overpriced for what you get. Some people are happy with that, others not so much. The true beauty of the Philippines is the plethora of regular girls who aren't in bars, in their youthful and sexual primes, who are still ready, willing and eager to get some paid or free fun. You don't have to pay these girls $200 and above, though some will ask. Most will be happy with 2-3 k pesos (angeles) to 5 k-6 k pesos (Manila, though many Manila girls will be happy with 3 k as well) for all night.

RTFF, you'll know where to find these golden freelancers and semi-pros.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the info really do! I've been in Dr for last 7 years so not sure how things works in Asia want to get info before boots on the ground don't want to mess it up for everyone else while over paying which is no fun for anyone just not use to those prices 255 $ cad Haley to see that's not always the case seeing the Manila forums and YouTube videos of them only cater to Korean really turned me off but that's why I am here tryna get the most education before boots on the ground I appreciate you guys taking the time to help me and all the newbies in Asia! I know Dr no bar fine just straight fun 60-80 cad bucks Asia little different but I'm sure I'll adjust quick same game different hustle.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy101;2917816]I appreciate the info really do! I've been in Dr for last 7 years so not sure how things works in Asia want to get info before boots on the ground don't want to mess it up for everyone else while over paying which is no fun for anyone just not use to those prices 255 $ cad Haley to see that's not always the case seeing the Manila forums and YouTube videos of them only cater to Korean really turned me off but that's why I am here tryna get the most education before boots on the ground I appreciate you guys taking the time to help me and all the newbies in Asia! I know Dr no bar fine just straight fun 60-80 cad bucks Asia little different but I'm sure I'll adjust quick same game different hustle.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, there isn't one man let alone a group of guys that can ruin or make a market. A few dicks are not going to do anything.

Go have fun.

Doesn't look too dead. And this dude at the 5:14 mark is going to have quite a night. Wow.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fGL4WtwQI[/URL]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2917908]Doesn't look too dead. And this dude at the 5:14 mark is going to have quite a night. Wow.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fGL4WtwQI[/URL][/QUOTE]As with many youtube videos the actual date of shooting the footage is mostly not know, many youtube footage can be shot weeks, months, years before being posted, so in truth might not paint an up to date image.

Yesterday (25,5,24) nights angeles barhop was probably the quietest I have ever seen angeles for punter numbers and girl numbers in all my almost 3 decades here and that's a Saturday which should be the busiest night of the week.

Seems many punters have voted with their feet not to visit angeles, put that down to high air fares or the high price of lady drinks, high barfines that are fully paid in advance with no returns or the princess atitude and racism amongst the very few girls that are passable in looks and body.

Many moons ago every bar in angeles had mostly very fuckable girls in spades, now one has to pop ones head into multiple bars before seeing a girl worth stopping in for a drink in that bar, it is what it is unfortunately.