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[QUOTE=Amb832;1188534]I will be visiting Colombia for the first time in February. Just wondering which of these cities would be the best for a newbie?[/QUOTE]Cartagena is the safest of the three has a beach, lots of women in bikinis and guys seem to get freebies from beach girls somehow, don't ask me.

Cartagena has nice scenery besides the women, the walled city, clubs and shops. The best thing is that top notch women from all over the country go there to work. So you have beauties from Medellin, Bogotá, Cali, Manizales, La Costa. You name it.

There are top end hotel / restuarants / P4P venues and cheaper hotel / Restaurants / P4P venues. Many things are close together but a cab ride in all 3 is gosh darn inexpensive. If a variety of women with little learning curve is what you are looking for you can't can't wrong in Cartagena.

You need to pick what is right for you.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1187226]1) If you send a dime, you're a moron. OF COURSE the girl has multiple guys sending her money.

2) Where the fuck does this "I'm the man so I should pay for dates" etc shit come from? Do you guys know what YEAR it is? If you're paying for shit with a woman, you should just go with p4p. PERIOD! If a guy and a girl don't have money to do anything and wind up watching videos every night, how the hell is that not every bit as much the woman's responsibility as it is the man's?

3) The best way to keep a girl LONG TERM IMO is to be really good in bed. This comes with experience, and p4p is the BEST for really ramping up your abilities quickly, especially if you take things on that tip instead of just looking out for your own pleasure.

4) YMMV is ALL ABOUT the fact that a lot of guys may have a lot of money, but money can't buy everything. This is why we see so many reports about chica X in casa Y where one guy gets BBBJTCIMNQNS and GFE and all the other acronyms and some other dude gets rushed out the door almost before he pops. The biggie is maintaining your body in good shape, and this can still be done WAY past 50.

5) Colombian women by and large PREFER Colombian men. They like a guy they can talk to, that has a whole culture in common with them. Not to mention Colombians take a lot better care of themselves than North Americans, and that includes the men. ASIDE FROM THEIR MONEY most foreingers are actually at a DISADVANTAGE on the dating market here. You may get some action on the "exotic factor" but that doesn't go as far as you might think it will.[/QUOTE]Superficial opinions usually amuse me, but this missive just illustrates the different experiences and expectations that we bring to Colombia. One one end of the spectrum is the guy who comes to Colombia with the intention of meeting his beautiful princess and living happy ever after in his country, of course. On the other end is the true sex tourist who sees these beautiful Colombian girls as the ideal sex worker. They treat them as the sex workers that many of them are, and as Bango opines, if you can fuck them well enough, then the professionalism disappears and they all want to have your baby. Either of these extremes are rooted in profound narcissism.

Bango is right, Money can't buy everything. But, it's way ahead of what's in second place. It can buy a whole lot in Colombia. I speak with some experience, although my Colombian girl is now studying in the USA But, I'm happy that on the first of the month, I'm at the Western Union sending the administration fee for the apartment I bought for her and in which her family is now living. I always send a few extra pesos. And before you suggest that I'm getting played, I don't do any damn thing in life that I don't want to do. I'm happy knowing that whenever my Colombiana chooses to go wherever she decides to travel on the journey of her life, she has a casa. It's something everyone should have, don't you think?

My point is simply this: most of us are more financially secure than most of the young women we meet. If there is one that you find that is worth your attention, just a little financial assistance goes a long way. Anyone knows pretty quickly if he has found a "normal" girl that is just working at the mall or some other legitimate job, or is going to school. Or, one that just practices the fantasy that they are serious about their future. I'm just say'in, try a little love. Try to enhance someone else's life. You get the intimacy that money or being a sexual athlete can't obtain, and you get the sex from a girl that actually believes that someone cares about them, without this notion of a house with a white picket fence or a marriage. I believe this approach is consistent with my philosophy of.

Only good energy!

[QUOTE=Amb832;1189210]If I take a two week vacation I might go to Bogota one week and Medellin the other week. Or would it be better staying in one city for two weeks?[/QUOTE]Diversify your portfolio. No need to stay in one place for two weeks. Then too I wouldn't stay in Bogota for an entire week. For two weeks I would say Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, and Cali if you have never been to either of them.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1189221]Diversify your portfolio. No need to stay in one place for two weeks. Then too I wouldn't stay in Bogota for an entire week. For two weeks I would say Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, and Cali if you have never been to either of them.[/QUOTE]This will be my first trip to Colombia. You're right I will probably hit up different cities. Just trying to get an idea of what cities would be good for a newbie. I think I will definitely go to Medellin for the majority of my visit then fly to another nearby city. I would like to go to a beach town, but they seem to be out of the way.

Newbie questions.

Do Colombian women pro or non pro initiate convo with gringos like in other countries or are they more reserved?

Is it easy to tell a pro from a non pro if I'm walking down the street, in a bar or club, or just hanging out somewhere? I don't want to disrespect any woman assuming she's a working girl.

[QUOTE=Amb832; 1189274]This will be my first trip to Colombia. You're right I will probably hit up different cities. Just trying to get an idea of what cities would be good for a newbie. I think I will definitely go to Medellin for the majority of my visit then fly to another nearby city. I would like to go to a beach town, but they seem to be out of the way.

Newbie questions.

Do Colombian women pro or non pro initiate convo with gringos like in other countries or are they more reserved?

Is it easy to tell a pro from a non pro if I'm walking down the street, in a bar or club, or just hanging out somewhere? I don't want to disrespect any woman assuming she's a working girl.[/QUOTE]Colombian women are more reserved. You will need to initiate.

It is really hard to tell a pro from a non pro unless you are in a pro area like Mayorista. If you see a girl with a gringo, there is a good chance she is a pro. Especially if the dude doesn't speak Spanish.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1189179]Superficial opinions usually amuse me, but this missive just illustrates the different experiences and expectations that we bring to Colombia ...

... My point is simply this: most of us are more financially secure than most of the young women we meet. If there is one that you find that is worth your attention, just a little financial assistance goes a long way. Anyone knows pretty quickly if he has found a "normal" girl that is just working at the mall or some other legitimate job, or is going to school. Or, one that just practices the fantasy that they are serious about their future. I'm just say'in, try a little love. Try to enhance someone else's life. You get the intimacy that money or being a sexual athlete can't obtain, and you get the sex from a girl that actually believes that someone cares about them, without this notion of a house with a white picket fence or a marriage. I believe this approach is consistent with my philosophy of.

Only good energy![/QUOTE]You've got a good heart LT.

I liked your post.
Nothing wrong at all with helping out the deserving.
Great energy and very rewarding as well.

[QUOTE=Hioctane; 1189301]Colombian women are more reserved. You will need to initiate.

It is really hard to tell a pro from a non pro unless you are in a pro area like Mayorista. If you see a girl with a gringo, there is a good chance she is a pro. Especially if the dude doesn't speak Spanish.[/QUOTE]That's the only thing that might keep my from approaching a Colombian woman and start a convo. I know little Spanish now. Enough to ask basic questions and make some comments. My trip is not until February so I got 6 months to get better. Worse case if my Spanish is still not that great I will just call up an escort service.

Just wondering has anyone had any good luck meeting women from dominicancupid. Com?

[QUOTE=Amb832; 1189366]That's the only thing that might keep my from approaching a Colombian woman and start a convo. I know little Spanish now. Enough to ask basic questions and make some comments. My trip is not until February so I got 6 months to get better. Worse case if my Spanish is still not that great I will just call up an escort service.

Just wondering has anyone had any good luck meeting women from dominicancupid. Com?[/QUOTE]I need to say thank you to the Amb832; I think he's the first member who has EVER posted anything along the lines of trying to learn or get better at Spanish! WELL DONE SIR! Most the payasos on this board think their "gringo spanish" or a translator app on their big boy phone will be enough. You're on the right track. Learn or improve your language skills if you want a NORMAL GIRL! Not that hard to understand!

A friendly tip; Don't waste that time you have in your house speaking into a computer head set or filling out _____ in a work book or watching Telemundo or Univision. These thing help but are foundation builders and not indicative of real life. I can read about doing open heart surgery but when it comes time for "live fire" well as you can imagine it's not the same. Spanish is WAY faster in real life and full of slang and accents. I have lived in Peru, Argentina, Colombia, and Mexico (long visits over a month in duration several times*) and have a minor in Spanish so excuse me if I'm a bit of a know it all. Go to a Mexican Restaurant or any restaurant or any where you can chat with some native spanish speakers. Make friends with them and just talk to them like they were your english speaking friends, how's your day? That guys a jerk, have you seen this or that show or movie? Ext. Get known and chat them up. Your language skills will improve SO FAST!

What I did: I worked in several restaurants in college and had my co-workers help me with my home work and assignments, helped them with their english and paper work for visas / taxes and that sort of bullshit we became actual friends and we started to hang out, got invited to parties and clubs (Only non Spanish guy in a club full of want to-be-gangsters!) , played soccer on the weekends. Ect. One of those buddies from Colombia had me bring a bunch of crap to his moms house and when I did they were so pleased to hear stories of her son and how he was doing well in America and had American buddies (pretty much only me) they had me over for diner a few night later. THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF YOUNG-PRETTY-SEXY- ELLIGIBLE cousins and sisters and friends was there to meet me! I'm 2ish years with my novia (not a working girl cause I know her family! She works at a hair salon 6 day a week 10 hours a day for short money. You have to respect that hustle). Novia could easily be a girl at a car show / trade show or a want to be model, that level of hot and sexy. I am very luck she is a good girl from a good family who I can trust. She never asks questions when I tell her some bold faced lies to go to the working girl house with my boys. What more could a monger ask for?

My older buddy did the same thing in a way. He spoke 0% spanish, went into this Tai restaurant pretty much every night late for diner. The lady and her husband (from DR) worked there and their little kid would be sitting in a booth struggling with his homework. Dude being a SUPER great guy, good solid person stared helping the kid while he ate every night for weeks if not months. The kid started pulling "As" in every subject! When the family went home guess who was invited home to the DR for a visit? Dude was! And guess who was was paraded around and introduced to the THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF YOUNG-PRETTY-SEXY- ELLIGIBLE cousins and sisters and friends? Dude! He ended up marring one of the gilrs who was like 20 years her junior, She was and still is BEAUTIFUL! He's still a nice guy, who has a nice family and the kid who he helped learn english and with his home work is looking at grad schools now.

Clearly you can't hope to ever have this happen to you, they either happen or they don't you can't force them or go into a situation planning for this to happen. You have to have "good" in your heart and do it to help other people for the sake of helping other people. These examples also lend credence to my personal philosophy of "Be cool, be easy, be nice" and good thing will happen to you if you let them.

In closing Make Friends with Spanish Speaking people, it will help your language skills and you never know what would or could happen! You jsut have to be open minded enough to let it happen!

I've never tried dominicancupid but I have had like 100 or so dates (real dates with normal girls) from Colombiacupid their sister site I'd think. Join CC and star PMing tons of girls, start an on line convo, read her messages with out using a translator and take it from there.

[QUOTE=Amb832;1188534]I will be visiting Colombia for the first time in February. Just wondering which of these cities would be the best for a newbie?[/QUOTE]This is hillarious. LuckyEddie and BlackHawk points you away from their respective home turfs.

I have been to Medellin. I haven't been to Cartagena yet, but will soon. Here's my opinion based on my research and some facts. Make an informed decision for yourself.

Medellin.

Pros.

- cheap casas starting at 30k.

- great nonpro scene.

Cons.

- no free lance clubs (other than online, casas, and Mayorista it's a bit hard to find pros)

- no beach.

- things are spread apart. Will need some spanish or a guide to navigate the first time.

Cartagena.

Pros.

- beach.

- freelance clubs.

- variety of girls from all over Colombia.

Cons.

- expensive casas starting at 150k.

Housing is slightly more expensive in Cartagena. But not that much so.

Food is slightly more expensive in Cartagena if you go to the touristy spots. Probably the equivalent of Parque Lleras in Medellin.

Chicas STARTING asking price is more in Cartagena. In some cases 2-3x more. If you speak some Spanish you can get it down considerably (I will see in soon).

IMO, money shouldn't be a deciding factor. Know how much you want to spend and stick to it. If money is an issue, you can get by in Medellin on a super low budget.

Keep in mind all this depends on if you speak some Spanish. If not, expect to be quoted gringo prices (except casas and stripclubs where prices are fixed) and pay considerably more. Hope this paints a clearer picture.

I would like to recommend someone who teaches spanish one on one. Her name is Marielena and is located in Ecuador. You can take lessons from her for $8. 00 per hour via Skype. This type of lessons give you one-on-one spanish training. After three months with her, we now start out our lesson with about 10 minutes of chit-chat in spanish. I started out with almost zero spanish. I am amazed at how much I have learned from her. You would not get that from a class or a book or a tape.

Marielena has over 12 years of experience teaching spanish. Here are some articles about her:

[url]http://www.captivatingcuenca.com/marielena-andrade-spanish-teacher.html[/url]

[url]http://www.gosouthexpat.com/spanish-lessons-7-per-hour-cuenca-ecuador.html[/url]

If you would like to contact her, use this email address: [email]maryelen26@hotmail.com[/email]

Send her an email and she will give you a free demo lesson.

Please DO NOT tell her you heard about her on a SEX Forum, LOL! I don't want her to think I am a pervert LOL!

[QUOTE=Slamcity7777; 1189574]I need to say thank you to the Amb832; I think he's the first member who has EVER posted anything along the lines of trying to learn or get better at Spanish! WELL DONE SIR! Most the payasos on this board think their "gringo spanish" or a translator app on their big boy phone will be enough. You're on the right track. Learn or improve your language skills if you want a NORMAL GIRL! Not that hard to understand!

A friendly tip; Don't waste that time you have in your house speaking into a computer head set or filling out _____ in a work book or watching Telemundo or Univision. These thing help but are foundation builders and not indicative of real life. I can read about doing open heart surgery but when it comes time for "live fire" well as you can imagine it's not the same. Spanish is WAY faster in real life and full of slang and accents. I have lived in Peru, Argentina, Colombia, and Mexico (long visits over a month in duration several times*) and have a minor in Spanish so excuse me if I'm a bit of a know it all. Go to a Mexican Restaurant or any restaurant or any where you can chat with some native spanish speakers. Make friends with them and just talk to them like they were your english speaking friends, how's your day? That guys a jerk, have you seen this or that show or movie? Ext. Get known and chat them up. Your language skills will improve SO FAST!

What I did: I worked in several restaurants in college and had my co-workers help me with my home work and assignments, helped them with their english and paper work for visas / taxes and that sort of bullshit we became actual friends and we started to hang out, got invited to parties and clubs (Only non Spanish guy in a club full of want to-be-gangsters!) , played soccer on the weekends. Ect. One of those buddies from Colombia had me bring a bunch of crap to his moms house and when I did they were so pleased to hear stories of her son and how he was doing well in America and had American buddies (pretty much only me) they had me over for diner a few night later. THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF YOUNG-PRETTY-SEXY- ELLIGIBLE cousins and sisters and friends was there to meet me! I'm 2ish years with my novia (not a working girl cause I know her family! She works at a hair salon 6 day a week 10 hours a day for short money. You have to respect that hustle). Novia could easily be a girl at a car show / trade show or a want to be model, that level of hot and sexy. I am very luck she is a good girl from a good family who I can trust. She never asks questions when I tell her some bold faced lies to go to the working girl house with my boys. What more could a monger ask for?

My older buddy did the same thing in a way. He spoke 0% spanish, went into this Tai restaurant pretty much every night late for diner. The lady and her husband (from DR) worked there and their little kid would be sitting in a booth struggling with his homework. Dude being a SUPER great guy, good solid person stared helping the kid while he ate every night for weeks if not months. The kid started pulling "As" in every subject! When the family went home guess who was invited home to the DR for a visit? Dude was! And guess who was was paraded around and introduced to the THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF YOUNG-PRETTY-SEXY- ELLIGIBLE cousins and sisters and friends? Dude! He ended up marring one of the gilrs who was like 20 years her junior, She was and still is BEAUTIFUL! He's still a nice guy, who has a nice family and the kid who he helped learn english and with his home work is looking at grad schools now.

Clearly you can't hope to ever have this happen to you, they either happen or they don't you can't force them or go into a situation planning for this to happen. You have to have "good" in your heart and do it to help other people for the sake of helping other people. These examples also lend credence to my personal philosophy of "Be cool, be easy, be nice" and good thing will happen to you if you let them.

In closing Make Friends with Spanish Speaking people, it will help your language skills and you never know what would or could happen! You jsut have to be open minded enough to let it happen!

I've never tried dominicancupid but I have had like 100 or so dates (real dates with normal girls) from Colombiacupid their sister site I'd think. Join CC and star PMing tons of girls, start an on line convo, read her messages with out using a translator and take it from there.[/QUOTE]

Seems like I'm getting no where studying from a book. I have a few Spanish speaking friends that can help me out. I think I will learn faster by actually chatting with another person.

Sorry I meant to say colombiancupid. Com instead of DC. I sent out a few notes to some of the girls there just to make convoy and ask about the city they live in. Most haven't replied while some gave me their email / messenger names but they're never online. LOL. One chick I had to block because she was begging for money before I even know her name.

[QUOTE=Amb832; 1189649]Seems like I'm getting no where studying from a book. I have a few Spanish speaking friends that can help me out. I think I will learn faster by actually chatting with another person.

Sorry I meant to say colombiancupid. Com instead of DC. I sent out a few notes to some of the girls there just to make convoy and ask about the city they live in. Most haven't replied while some gave me their email / messenger names but they're never online. LOL. One chick I had to block because she was begging for money before I even know her name.[/QUOTE]Typo. Convo instead of convoy

[QUOTE=Amb832;1189649]Seems like I'm getting no where studying from a book. I have a few Spanish speaking friends that can help me out. I think I will learn faster by actually chatting with another person.[/QUOTE]Natalia Velez teaches Spanish via Skype. Her website is [url]http://elearnspanishonline.com/[/url] She's located in Medellin, but I don't know if she offers private Spanish lessons in Medellin.

Natalia also has a You Tube channel for learning Spanish. If you subscribe to her website [url]http://elearnspanishonline.com/[/url], she provides a transcript of her video lessons on You Tube.

Natalia is "eye candy" which is a bonus, but since she's from Medellin, I've found it helpful to listen to her voice since I sometimes found the Colombian Spanish dialect different than those spoken in Mexico or Ecuador.

Even if you have no desire or intent to learn Spanish, just watching Natalia on her videos wants me to visit Colombia again.

My trip to Colombia is not until February. If I start practicing in September will that be enough time to know enough Spanish to communicate with the locals?

Colombiancupid update.

I had to delete a chick from my email cause she wasn't interested in talking. She just wanted me to visit some webcam site and pay to see her. LOL. Is there a way to tell if a profile on there is fake or not?

The cupid sites are all being watched by the usual scam artists. I have been approached multiple times by "girls" (no photo) from either Ghana or Nigeria.

Within a few sentences you will see the usual sob story begin, how destitute they are etc. After the first one wasted about 5 mins of my time, I started.

Replying that I am really from Nigeria or Ghana depending on the mark. You will be amazed how fast they "block" your profile.

It's a business, the scammer doesn't want to hit on the same mark twice and waste time.

[QUOTE=Amb832; 1190607]My trip to Colombia is not until February. If I start practicing in September will that be enough time to know enough Spanish to communicate with the locals?

Colombiancupid update.

I had to delete a chick from my email cause she wasn't interested in talking. She just wanted me to visit some webcam site and pay to see her. LOL. Is there a way to tell if a profile on there is fake or not?[/QUOTE]