FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2942640]If you think that some sharks girls like to overcharge customers, you probably have not visited Oase recently. Oase has a lot of very old German punters who do not negotiate with the girls at all. They just accept the girls' offers and follow the girls to the rooms. Most of them do not even pick up good rooms such as room 28 or room 27.[/QUOTE]What makes rooms 27 or 28 better than the other rooms?

Were you in Oase on Thursday? I think you mentioned you were making a trip report.

[QUOTE=JustMe7;2942731]What makes rooms 27 or 28 better than the other rooms?

Were you in Oase on Thursday? I think you mentioned you were making a trip report.[/QUOTE]All the Oase regular customers know that room 28 and room 27 are two biggest mirror rooms in Oase. I was in Oase on Wednesday which was the first FKK day of Oase.

[QUOTE=JustMe7;2942731]What makes rooms 27 or 28 better than the other rooms?

Were you in Oase on Thursday? I think you mentioned you were making a trip report.[/QUOTE]Just larger rooms, but beds are not good between. I prefer 24,25 , 26 . No window for all these rooms at Oase, when many with window at Sharks.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2942644]If true, then this is pretty ironic since it's those same German mongers always accusing tourists (especially us Americans) of overpaying. Very ironic and very telling indeed![/QUOTE]Most of the Sharks girls know me and also know what I want. They normally don't pressure me unless the business is really slow in those above 30 c days.

[QUOTE=Howie;2942682]In Baywatch terms, probably a younger & slimmer version of Nicole Eggert is the closest resemblance to Isabella, I would think.[/QUOTE]I saw Bianca in her birthday suit on Wednesday.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2942644]If true, then this is pretty ironic since it's those same German mongers always accusing tourists (especially us Americans) of overpaying. Very ironic and very telling indeed![/QUOTE]Dude, posters here even accused Americans and Asians for causing the price increase after covid. Girls were starting to charge 100430 and 150460 in summer of 2021. I remember visiting shortly after travel bans were lifted, being surrounded by 95% German residents. I remember on this very board, people were already accusing Americans and Asians for the price increase. Make it make sense.

It suspect that mongers are not much different than the girls. When they notice something extreme, they internalize it as prevalent. Like when girls expect 500 euro for an hour, it was because one or two guys out of hundreds paid it. I just met a Canadian who paid that but do not think that is a common Canadian habit. I guarantee you that the German sitting with us at the table who heard that will think that the next Canadian he meets may do the same.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2942640]If you think that some sharks girls like to overcharge customers, you probably have not visited Oase recently. Oase has a lot of very old German punters who do not negotiate with the girls at all. They just accept the girls' offers and follow the girls to the rooms. Most of them do not even pick up good rooms such as room 28 or room 27.[/QUOTE]I have never seen this to be a prevalent case. I agree that Germans don't often negotiate but I also don't know the older Germans to be overpaying.

Anyone else notice this with the older Germans? Or is this claim unfounded?

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2942857]I agree that Germans don't often negotiate but I also don't know the older Germans to be overpaying.

Anyone else notice this with the older Germans? Or is this claim unfounded?[/QUOTE]Never seen it myself. To the contrary I have spoken with plenty of locals that are paying so low rates "flying in tourists" like myself can only dream about (enjoying the benefit of being an almost weekly visitor). But sure, there are always exceptions.

Fact: During covid the FKK clubs were closed down, and the locals started seeing their girls in appartments in stead at a higher rate (150 E /60). Thus it became problematic for them to ask for the previous / lower price when the girls returned to the FKK clubs after covid. This is the only time I have seen the locals in general agree to a higher rate.

Then again, there have been plenty of " foreign tourists" overpaying since the 00's, so that group have nothing to brag about.

Another misunderstanding: The local forums have plenty of reports from gents overpaying or accepting low standard performance. You might think that those are locals, but while German speaking perhaps, many of those are in fact not Germans but visitors from abroad just like gents on ISG. But for "some reason" they find the local forums more useful.

[QUOTE=Shark16;2942893]Never seen it myself. To the contrary I have spoken with plenty of locals that are paying so low rates "flying in tourists" like myself can only dream about (enjoying the benefit of being an almost weekly visitor). But sure, there are always exceptions.

Fact: During covid the FKK clubs were closed down, and the locals started seeing their girls in appartments in stead at a higher rate (150 E /60). Thus it became problematic for them to ask for the previous / lower price when the girls returned to the FKK clubs after covid. This is the only time I have seen the locals in general agree to a higher rate.

Then again, there have been plenty of " foreign tourists" overpaying since the 00's, so that group have nothing to brag about.

Another misunderstanding: The local forums have plenty of reports from gents overpaying or accepting low standard performance. You might think that those are locals, but while German speaking perhaps, many of those are in fact not Germans but visitors from abroad just like gents on ISG. But for "some reason" they find the local forums more useful.[/QUOTE]Well the 150/60 rate was the going rate back then for privates. I certainly don't blame them at all for going to them and paying the asking rate during covid. All the clubs and puffs were shut. Privates were in violation. After the repressive German shut down that went on and on, who can blame them. At least they were paying market rate and were actually receiving a good deal. Girls who chose to work discreetly (illegally) were commanding even higher as the months went on.

Now private prices have settled at about 200 per hour. How crazy is it that there are FKK goers who are paying that and more for a girl who gets fucked so many times a day when a private girl may only have 2 or 3 appointments. I've learned to take my favorite girls out of the club where rates are better for me. That is so backwards but that's the current situation. I get my good rate and the girl is not concerned that she's losing money because there are overpaying customers in the club.

I've even had a girl meet at the hotel before her shift. I got a hotel close to her apartment. She met me there and I took her to Sharks afterward. I usually get regular rate with her for 150/ hour but joked that since I saved her taxi fare, to give me a 100 e rate. She settled on me paying her entry, so 120 e (110 plus condom fee). That's for an hour, in a private, with one of the busier girls. Then I see her in the club running guys for 100 e and 15 minutes in those boxes in the corner. It makes no sense to me why guys accept this.

Sadly, the posters who used to provide good information are no longer posting. Good news is that they're still around, contributing information elsewhere. Hard to blame them as those helpful guys got tired of their posts being hijacked into dick-ego measuring contests. ISG is much more useful for specific countries but for some reason the FKK subforum is an outlier.

Yes, locals started to pay 100/30 and 150/60 on 2020 under lockdown when they had painful balls. On Summer 2021 , I got more than 10 100/60 rooms at Sharks, only paying 150/60 for just arrived and fresh at this time Katalea. Since a while, crazy to read on lustcout where less tourists than here, how they pay 150/30 and 200 or more /60 for looks like little girls, they totally lost control and turned crazy, paying more expensive for lower quality. Now many Germans or locals pay more expensive than some foreigners. My strategy is to play tramp: You are too expensive for me, but You are lucky I chose You, working not so bad and really good after discovery, when way to behave pay also, but uglies or Asians have only money to play.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2942815]I saw Bianca in her birthday suit on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]Nice.

Thanks for the intel UShobbyist. Coincidentally, I'll be back in Oase towards the end of this month so hope to catch up with her again.

Howie.

I look forward to seeing what this place has to offer. I'll be visiting in just under a months time. I live in Pattaya so won't be some thirsty over payer. Thing is in most of mongering locations I've been there are no white women. I had thought of going to the RLD but don't have many days in town and don't want to waste time so my plan is here and the other FKK that has shisha as I won't be in a rush to take a chick I prefer to hangout a bit watching the scene and drinking.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2942857]I have never seen this to be a prevalent case. I agree that Germans don't often negotiate but I also don't know the older Germans to be overpaying.

Anyone else notice this with the older Germans? Or is this claim unfounded?[/QUOTE]We are in the thread of Sharks. Before September 4th 2024 (Wednesday), If I compare Sharks with Oase, all the mongers will laugh at me and say "Ha, Ha, Ha, You compare apple with orange". Because Oase girls were fully clothed while Sharks girls were totally nude, I could NOT make any comparison between these two clubs.

Sharks does not have many very old German punters. Shark has more Turks and foreign tourists. There is a different situation in FKK Oase. There are a lot of very very old German mongers in Oase. They just accept the girls' offers without any negotiations then follow the girls to the girls' favorite rooms near the money lockers. They don't even choose those good rooms such as room 28 or room 27 which are far away from money lockers.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2942986]We are in the thread of Sharks. Before September 4th 2024 (Wednesday), If I compare Sharks with Oase, all the mongers will laugh at me and say "Ha, Ha, Ha, You compare apple with orange". Because Oase girls were fully clothed while Sharks girls were totally nude, I could NOT make any comparison between these two clubs.

Sharks does not have many very old German punters. Shark has more Turks and foreign tourists. There is a different situation in FKK Oase. There are a lot of very very old German mongers in Oase. They just accept the girls' offers without any negotiations then follow the girls to the girls' favorite rooms near the money lockers. They don't even choose those good rooms such as room 28 or room 27 which are far away from money lockers.[/QUOTE]Sharks thread or not, the comment applies to both Oase and Sharks. Oase does not have any more old Germans than Sharks. Go to Sharks at 12 pm and you'll even see more of them than at Oase. The difference is that Sharks gets busy with other guests while Oase hardly ever gets full these days so all you see are old guys early in the day. The night crowd is the same at both places which just more visitors at Sharks.

Oase girls are hardly ever fully clothed as suggested. There might be one or two walking around with lingerie but saying Oase girls are fully clothed and Sharks is fully naked is clearly a misrepresentation.

Point is, of the 30 plus FKKs I visited, Oase included, I've never seen the Germans doing what you claim with any significant frequency. After 16 years of visiting FKKs, I have not seen this to be a prevalent occurrence including on my recent check in at Oase. Not choosing the good rooms seems to be an irrelevant distractor from an unfounded assertion.

I don't doubt that you might have witness a single event or bad spending from one or two guys. However, I have no doubt that what you claim is not a prevalent phenomenon. It would be completely consistent with everything we know about Germans and German culture, including spending habits.

Like the other poster wrote, the only time I've seen true Germans contribute to price hikes was in response to the covid lockdown.

I was in Sharks quite a bit in August and more than usual this year, having spent 2 months total in Germany since December. I would say I have a about 20 Sharks days, 10 Penelope days, 4 Oase days, 4 Venus days, and one or two visits each to the other clubs. In comparison, I probably only visited Sharks less than a handful of days in 2023.

I can't say much has changed for most visitors as most are 30 minute room goers. That seems to be over 90% of rooms taken at Sharks these days, likely due to both cost and the room style of the average Sharks customer.

My insight is more for the one hour and longer room goers. I would report some promising insight for these types of customers. While 200 per hour is still the asking price, I'm noticing more willingness to negotiate from the girls. A fellow clubber endorsed the 150 e per hour asking price however I noticed he goes with mid tier girls. But that's encouraging nonetheless as the girls offered that price upfront rather than negotiating down. I was able to get 150 per hour after the first room where I paid 300 for 90. But that's with a popular girl.

Like I keep saying, girls are making less rooms. Locals are taking less rooms. I hardly ever speak with a local who takes more than a single room and most are for 30 minutes. Business is more and more dependent on tourists.

That said, I did take some 30 minute rooms for 100 e:

Esma is sweet with a tight body. She's not the prettiest. I went strictly for the tight small body. All in all, good effort, light kissing, BBBJ, DATY, took doggy for 10 minutes straight. Allowed for full penetration on misssionary.

Sydney says she's from Macedonia and spoke a language I could not pick up with another girl, so perhaps there is some truth to it. Anyway, good basic service. All traditional basic services included. Light kissing. Can't complain.

Kelly is a superstar if you can handle 185 cm (6 ft). All services for 100 e with great energy. Can't miss her when she's working as you'll undoubtedly notice her prancing through the main room, head and shoulders over everyone else in the 15 cm heels. Doubt I'll repeat despite the good service because she's just too tall for me.

Hailey was a good one that provided GFE for 30 minutes. She's pretty new, nothing special for looks, just a young tight body and cute face. I spent a lot of time with her outside before taking a short room so perhaps that is why she gave me the honeymoon service. She was relaxed.

Rachel / Rahel was a repeat and I'll say her service improved. Not as good as the Hailey and Kelly service but she's more my optic style.

I did a few non-fuck massage rooms with some familiar faces. Massage / BJ rooms where I don't finish and then find a better optic to fuck and finish.

The girl from Eritrea was smoking hot but asks 250 e for 30. Maxima's still doing her thing, charging a decent bit but at least for universally well reviewed rooms. Simona for the life of me, I can't figure out how she makes money. She asks for a lot and I consistently hear bad to mediocre feedback. Zoe and Cataleya were present but did not seem super busy. Melissa still shows up regularly and does her 3 or 4 rooms. Sisters Ginger and Lory come irregularly with Ginger being there only 4 days on my count and Lory for only 2 for the whole month of August.

Noticed a handful of true Latinas but they're always older as the true Latinas most likely spent some years in Spain before coming to Germany.

Celine, Amanda, Rahel, Kathryn left for holiday while I was there. All except Rachel should be returning soon as she may elect to stay in Munchen for Oktoberfest.