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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2490454]I did a lot of research on this a couple of decades ago and, at that time, the deal was if you were the person arranging for a fiance visa and the lady stayed in the USA either as your wife or never married you or anyone else, you were on the hook for any costs to the state or federal government for her (or his) medical bills, housing, food, support, whatever. The USA Government was not interested in somebody being brought to the country and plopped down on the street for other taxpayers to foot the bills to support until they either became a U.S. citizen or get deported.

And I don't recall there being any 10 year time limit on your financial responsibilities in those days. It stretched until and if she became a USA Citizen. Then she was on her own in terms of financial responsibility.

If she didn't marry you but married someone else in the USA, "tag", he was now IT and assumed the responsibility until and if she became a USA Citizen.

Again, that was a couple of decades ago. Maybe it has changed since then. But I would proceed as though that is the way it still is unless I see it spelled out otherwise in clear and plain language on those visa sponsor forms I would be signing.[/QUOTE]Form I-864, Affidavit of Support under Section 213 A of the INA, is a contract an individual signs agreeing to use their financial resources to support the intending immigrant named on the affidavit. The individual who signs the affidavit of support becomes the sponsor once the intending immigrant becomes a lawful permanent resident. The sponsor is usually the petitioner who filed an immigrant petition on behalf of the intending immigrant.

An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).

Taken off the USCIS website. There is also a similar form for helping someone get a temporary tourist visa which you agree to be liable for some ones costs while visiting and if they overstay their visa.

To those who might fall in love with a Thai girl.

Firstly let's put to rest the nonsense that all Thai girls are out to scam you. Some are capable for sure but not the majority. Don't let the begrudges put you off. It can work. Over 20 years living here I know of multiple situations where it has, twice I was close myself, it didn't work out but no problem, actually prefer being single.

While it can work there are myriad problems falling for a bar girl and even if it's not the mindset of the girl when she first meets you it's very possible you will end up significantly out of pocket when the affair comes to an end. You absolutely need to have a healthy dose of skepticism but sometimes that goes out the window when you become blind crazy infatuated with a young beautiful long black haired Thai beauty. For you its idyllic love for her it's just some older guy telling her he loves her and impressing her with money and gifts. She has no romantic feelings for him and may not even pretend to but she will not refuse his generosity, why would she. Eventually he comes to his senses followed by heartache and pain and a depleted bank account. So rule one don't be foolish with money. Pay her scale for her time, take her to nice restaurants and a small gift now and again until you get to know much better. In other words take your time.

First and foremost realize how she makes her living because after falling for her you will have three choices. Agree with her to get a regular job which will pay peanuts, agree to not have a problem with her continuing in her chosen profession or ask her to stop and agree to support her and often by extension her family who depend on her.

Then it comes to trying to figure out is the relationship real, can it work or is she just with you for what's in it for her. In other words can you trust her? Some telltale signs you should not.

Early on asking for money for some personal or family emergency.

Suggesting you go shopping particularly to gold shops.

When you're away making silly excuses for not answering her phone when you call.

Ok so none of that is happening and it getting more serious and you begin to wonder will it work out long term. Some considerations to ponder.

Does she have a kid (s)? Are you OK if she has?

Is you financial position more than comfortable to support her and her family?

Her age. Better if over 30 as she will be more mature with a more realistic awareness of what's what and lower expectations of what life has in store for her. If she is young and attractive makes lots of money you better be prepared to more than compensate her for her loss of earnings. She is not going to settle for 42 sq meters in Jomtien, dine at the local noodle stall and ride home on the back of an old 150 CC.

Age difference. Not necessarily a deal breaker but should be less than 30 years.

Her looks, better especially if she young not too stunning so as to avoid getting too much attention from predatory admirers.

Are you going to live in Thailand or in your home country? Better in your home country. Expat living here if married is less secure and less interesting than you might imagine. On the downside she will be away from her family and friends which can make adjusting to a new life abroad difficult.

Is she interested in furthering her education, becoming fluent in your language and contributing by finding a job or starting a business? If her interests don't extend beyond sleeping, eating, watching soap operas and spending hours on social media life together can get suffocating boring even if she keeps you warm at night.

Despite all of these obstacles making falling in love with a working girl a long shot I am reminded of what Alfred Lord Tennyson said "Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." I would add the proviso, that's ok so long as it hasn't cost you an arm and a leg.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490405]Well I searched for both and could not find either. Care to explain what it is supposed to mean?[/QUOTE][URL]https://excerpty.com/quote/you-can-be-at-their-feet-charles-maurice-de-talleyrand-perigord/[/URL]

Be as subservient as you want but don't give them the ability to affect your life.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2490553]Form I-864, Affidavit of Support under Section 213 A of the INA, is a contract an individual signs agreeing to use their financial resources to support the intending immigrant named on the affidavit. The individual who signs the affidavit of support becomes the sponsor once the intending immigrant becomes a lawful permanent resident. The sponsor is usually the petitioner who filed an immigrant petition on behalf of the intending immigrant.

An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).

Taken off the USCIS website. There is also a similar form for helping someone get a temporary tourist visa which you agree to be liable for some ones costs while visiting and if they overstay their visa.[/QUOTE]Ah, exactly. I had forgotten about the 40 quarters of work credits part of it. And it needs to be a legitimate, taxable income job, not her sister paying her cash under the table at a family clothing shop.

If she never gets or keeps a job that long or for that many quarters and never becomes a U.S. citizen, your financial responsibility to support her just goes on and on into her old age and to her death or deportation I suppose.

[QUOTE=Genesis77;2490536]And so. It begins![/QUOTE]Yep. This is in keeping with my observation and experience that my fucking these girls (bareback or not) has not yet produced any evidence of meaningful short or long term medical issues. But I'll be darned if my doing so doesn't immediately trigger all kinds of expensive non sex-related medical issues and ailments for them, their kids, their parents, grandparents, etc!

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2490553]An affidavit of support is a legally enforceable contract, and the sponsor's responsibility usually lasts until the family member or other individual either becomes a USA Citizen, or is credited with 40 quarters of work (usually 10 years).[/QUOTE]Yep. Happened to my boy. He married this hooker from Brazil. Insisted that they had some type of connection. She had 2 kids before they got married. The first he claimed but obviously was not his. The second definitely his. While he was away at work some guy wrote on her facebook thanks for last night or something to that effect. When he came home she admitted it and so began his time for supporting someone he was no longer with.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490405]Well I searched for both and could not find either. Care to explain what it is supposed to mean?[/QUOTE]Sorry for my translation. Basically it means you can love them and show them but never be at their mercy.

I hope that it's clearer.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2490486]
One morning I woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my God, her face was covered with blood![/QUOTE]I skim read your post in under a minute and didn't find the main idea in the previous eight paragraphs. For the next installment of your magnum opus I'll know to jump straight to the final paragraph.

[QUOTE=Genesis77;2490536]And so. It begins![/QUOTE]His girl is different.

You don't write Trilogies about Bargirls, run of the mill ones.

"Fools rush in, where angels fear to tread" or was it "wise men" ? I've been bitten, but survived. Read Steven Leather's book on the subject "Private Dancer" "Stupid Shit in. " threads have popped up in ISG. The Thailand one is dedicated to and started for a boaster. Maybe it's time for an "I rushed in thread".

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2490566]Firstly let's put to rest the nonsense that all Thai girls are out to scam you. Some are capable for sure but not the majority. Don't let the begrudges put you off. It can work. Over 20 years living here I know of multiple situations where it has, twice I was close myself, it didn't work out but no problem, actually prefer being single.[/QUOTE]LOL. It took 20 years just to see only multiple situations where it worked? If I sit at the slot machine in Vegas and pull the handle enough times then eventually I will get a jackpot. I guess keep hope alive. You say it didn't work for you but you but make an excuse that you prefer being single anyway. You think his chances are any better? Once again we were not discussing all Thai girls. We are discussing bargirls in particular.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2490584]Yep. This is in keeping with my observation and experience that my fucking these girls (bareback or not) has not yet produced any evidence of meaningful short or long term medical issues. But I'll be darned if my doing so doesn't immediately trigger all kinds of expensive non sex-related medical issues and ailments for them, their kids, their parents, grandparents, etc![/QUOTE]Hahah. I've never thought of it that way but its soooooo true.

20 years of me fucking them and I haven't had a medical problem (touch wood). A girl fucks me once and suddenly she's sick, relatives are dying, she's about to be thrown out of school and it's her kids 6th birthday this year.

Just call me Typhoid Mary.
G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490789]LOL. It took 20 years just to see only multiple situations where it worked? If I sit at the slot machine in Vegas and pull the handle enough times then eventually I will get a jackpot. I guess keep hope alive. You say it didn't work for you but you but make an excuse that you prefer being single anyway. You think his chances are any better? Once again we were not discussing all Thai girls. We are discussing bargirls in particular.[/QUOTE]If it's possible that it can work even if as I said in my post it's a long shot I say why not go for it. I don't understand the attitude that you shouldn't at least give it a chance of succeeding. Just be aware of the pitfalls and keep your wits about you. I know this is not easy when you are besotted with a Thai beauty who might be playing you but I guess I prefer waking up in the morning as a foolish old romantic rather than a foolish old cynic.

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Mr E makes a lot of good points. Majority of Bargirls girls aren't Scammers. They just sellers of product.

Over 17 years I've only come across one scammer. From Baccara soi cowboy. Wouldn't do anything. But demanded Full payment. I paid.

Sorry for ruining the market. LOL.