Angeles City

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2938109]This seems very strange. I found it almost impossible not to get laid in AC. Serious question, how's your dress / hygiene? Like a serious objective assessment.

I actually like that the girls get the choice. If she doesn't want to go with you...[/QUOTE]If you are fat, she may say you are BIG! If she does not want to go with you, then she will say she is having her PERIOD. Many ways of saying you are not up to her standard for getting laid / her getting paid. Sometimes mamasan will say she is "new" which means she does not put out, but wants you to walk her around and have blue balls.

A little about me: Early 60's Caucasian, well educated, PHD. JD. In education but make more money from my investments than from my profession. Don't drink smoke or eat bad food. A health food nut and gym junkie, fairly thin and fit, 6'1' in height. Even at my age I would consider myself a 6 out of ten. Had back surgery in December so not as flexible as I used to be and suffer from vertigo which causes me to lose my balance and fall sometimes. Not overweight, not bald, dress well and always clean.

DISCOS: Went into Skytrax once in the two months I was there. Not that crowded most girls were with someone and did not seem like the place for freelancers. Always seemed fairly slow every time I walked by it. Hammer & Mega Dance went into each of them maybe a half dozen time in the two months I was there anywhere from 12 midnight to 3: am staid 10 to 30 minutes each time I want in and walked around the bar each time I went in. The women were always in groups and most of the time the groups included a guy or two or three. Never got any looks or smiles and as I walked around, they never seemed to notice me. I did not cold approach any group of girls especially if there were guys in the group, sounds like a good way to get a punch in the face. Just walked around and looked for anyone who was looking in my direction or smiling. None ever did. Mega dance seemed more like the place for freelancers than hammer where they all seemed like girls just going out to have fun with their girls or boyfriends. Stood by the bathroom once at Mega Dance trying to meet girls as they were coming and going. Made a few Playfull jokes and comments and complicated them on their looks "WOW a 9.5. If you smile you can bring it up to a 10" They would usually smile and be Playfull back, but none ever stopped or engaged just liked the comments and the jokes and kept walking. Had two sub 5's engage me in conversation at mega dance but I wasn't interested in them, so I was Playfull and polite but then made an excuse and left. Was curious if I could actually get a girl at mega dance so approached a couple who I thought were 7's but up close they were only 6's who were sitting in the lobby downstairs before you enter. Was Playfull and joked they seemed receptive when I brought up the ideal of going back to my hotel with me, they were willing to go I offered 2000 k but they wanted 3000 k I was not interested in paying 3000 k for 6's didn't really Bargen hard or try to get them down just made some excuse and left. On another occasion talked with another 6 in her mid 20's standing outside of the club about to leave. Was Playfull talked she seemed interested in leaving with me even followed me for a few steps but decided I really wasn't interested in her so never brought up the subject of us leaving together or price just made some excuse and left. So had a 0. 0% success rate at the discos. I would usually sit at kokamos or walk around some after leaving the disco and many times I would see many of the same groups of girls I had seen at the disco leaving in the same group with no guys attached. This told me that they are not going there specifically to be freelancers and find a customer for the night. Not like high society 10 years ago in its prime when the place was packed with freelancers looking to make some money. These girls in the disco today are going there to hang out with their friends if the right guy, A Korean guy or an exceptionally hansom non-Korean guy approaches them, and the price is right they are open to going but if not, no big deal they are not there to pick up customers just there to hang out with their girls.

Could I have gotten laid during the first four days: I would like to think yes. But I am very choosy. I only go with women I consider to be a 7 or above, of course everyone's version of a 7 or above is different. I only go with women between the ages of 18 and 21. I have never in my whole life been with anyone under 18, I was virgin until I was 22 and any women over the age of 21 would have to be a perfect 10 for me to take her. Where I willing to take women below a 7 in looks or over the age of 21, I would like to think my success rate would have been much higher. But I did not spend $1000+ on a plane ticket spend an entire day in a plane to get there and an entire day to get back and pay $100+ for a girl who's a 4 or 5 or in her mid 20's with a 1000+ body count.

Koreans: I have zero animosity towards the Koreans as many of them were Great guys and many of the bar owners would comp my drink (I only drink Gatorade) I don't blame them for taking advantage of the situation in AC today, where old white guys the rave in AC and girls were choosing me over everyone else just because I am an old white guy I would be taking full advantage of it and soaking it up as well. My animosity and growing resentment and even hatred is for the bigoted raciest prejudice girls who turn me down and don't even give me a chance because of my race and choose other guys not because of their looks or their personality but simply because of their race.

I've never been to Angeles, and probably never will, because everyone says it is a shithole except for the bars. And I don't like bars. So no reason for me to go, as you can get girls elsewhere if you want.

But, I have to ask, why would you spend two months there if it is that bad? I hope you were on business or something. Otherwise, my advice is to book a few days to see if you like it, and then move on to another place if you don't. If AC is bad, then go to Manila or somewhere else. But don't stay in a lousy place for two months!

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2938109]Although a waitress at Masquerade whom I knew from Q bar said she left Q [b]because all dancers and even the waitresses are required to barfine if asked.[/b] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2938109]This seems very strange. I found it almost impossible not to get laid in AC. At least you figured out a route that seemed to work for your situation. Serious question, how's your dress / hygiene? Like a serious objective assessment.[/QUOTE]I think what we are seeing since the rebirth, is those of us who experienced the golden-oldie days, and who are now experiencing the change. Chris is a long-time BM with experience in Thailand, Columbia, Brazil, CR, DR, Phils, and so on. Back in the day, we walked into most any bar and found rare few girls who did NOT want to barfine at the suggestion. Two mamas that I dated there circa 2008-2013 filled me in on various policies for their girls, including while a girl might be able to refuse this or that occasional guy for a BF, doing so twice in one month might find her looking for work elsewhere. Girls were skinnier. Atlantis had 100 girls on the stage at a time. Prices were 25-35% of what they are now. Santos / Raymond St bars were, for a 2-4 hour ST, 1/3 the BF price of what the WS bars LT were. The place was a sh*thole, sure. But it was our sh*thole. Drinks-only girls? I never ran into one.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2938109]I actually like that the girls get the choice. If she doesn't want to go with you, it's guaranteed the sex is going to be bad, and you just saved yourself some time and money.[/QUOTE]In the old daze, she needed to do it for another reason. She might have needed X or more barfines a week. If she says no to you, she might have to sit out any money tonight (short of the p150 base pay at the time). I'm sure a few went with me under similar circumstance. However, few starfished or provided poor service.

The Raymond ST bars were similar. Visiting AC during a lull, when the normal barfine was p400 for 4 hours, the mama and girl might agree to p800 for 12 hours. That was half the BF on WS at the time.

There was a better party atmosphere in almost all bars at the time. Cherry girls were marked with a separate ID symbol so you didn't accidentally buy her drinks, only to hear that she doesn't barfine. Wanted to know which girls did *not* barfine tonight? Just ask the waitress or mama and she'd point them out (blood), to avoid the same problem as the cherry girl. Or, tell any girl or waitress exactly what you wanted tonight (anal, camera, stay till 9 am), and she'd look about and say: "There, Gemma, the tall one. And there, Maria, long hair. And that skinny one Samantha. All them need a barfine tonight. Must pay rent" (or similar).

Fat? Smelly? Shy with girls? Obnoxious to girls? Little of this mattered; girls barfined and made the best of a crappy night, hoping he'd be too old / diabetic / hungover in the morning and not f*ck. The vast majority of guys were old, chubby gringos in t-shirts and flip-flops, and you could see it just by walking down WS at night, the large number of them with tonight's honey on his drunken arm. AC was THE place to go to for said fellas, to escape western civ (read: entitled women), ditch the work clothes for 2 weeks, and be a hidden hedonist. For all the calling of AC being a sh*thole, we ourselves (when there) also made up a part of that sh*thole.

It was the easiest kill shot. And we'd complain here every few years when the BF amount went up by a few hundred pesos in this or that bar.

But, those days are gone. For many guys of the old lore, any of these items might be enough for them to skip AC (or Phils) altogether: Lack of similar type of fellas while in-country (or alternately, a large presence of another persuasion); the rise of girls to be avoided (entitlement, drinks-only, 1-pop ST runners, mens); doubled barfine amounts from pre-covid; and specific bars where girls might ignore the fella entirely. Like Chris, I am done with AC. My impression of the place is a bit different than his, but the negatives that I've listed outweigh positives.

Some people don't handle change well, especially large change in a short time. I'm happy to let FG (good reports fella) and the K's have the place. There are other ways to skin the Filipina cat.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2938230]But, those days are gone. For many guys of the old lore, any of these items might be enough for them to skip AC (or Phils) altogether: Lack of similar type of fellas while in-country (or alternately, a large presence of another persuasion); the rise of girls to be avoided (entitlement, drinks-only, 1-pop ST runners, mens); doubled barfine amounts from pre-covid; and specific bars where girls might ignore the fella entirely. Like Chris, I am done with AC. My impression of the place is a bit different than his, but the negatives that I've listed outweigh positives.

Some people don't handle change well, especially large change in a short time. I'm happy to let FG (good reports fella) and the K's have the place. There are other ways to skin the Filipina cat.[/QUOTE]Well said!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2938230]Fat? Smelly? Shy with girls? Obnoxious to girls? Little of this mattered; girls barfined and made the best of a crappy night, hoping he'd be too old / diabetic / hungover in the morning and not f*ck. The vast majority of guys were old, chubby gringos in t-shirts and flip-flops, and you could see it just by walking down WS at night, the large number of them with tonight's honey on his drunken arm. AC was THE place to go to for said fellas, to escape western civ (read: entitled women), ditch the work clothes for 2 weeks, and be a hidden hedonist. For all the calling of AC being a sh*thole, we ourselves (when there) also made up a part of that sh*thole.[/QUOTE]Have you ever seen anyone dressed in a suit and tie in Angeles? Everyone is on vacation. It's hot and humid and all the locals are wearing flip flops and t-shirts. Most of the guys who go to Angeles City cannot get a decent woman regularly in their hometown, that is why they pay the airfare and 2 days travel time to get laid. Like the fish, it has to go up stream to spawn each year. Sometimes its a ritual the way God made us and a blessing to get laid!

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2938268]Have you ever seen anyone dressed in a suit and tie in Angeles? Everyone is on vacation. It's hot and humid and all the locals are wearing flip flops and t-shirts. Most of the guys who go to Angeles City cannot get a decent woman regularly in their hometown, that is why they pay the airfare and 2 days travel time to get laid. Like the fish, it has to go up stream to spawn each year. Sometimes its a ritual the way God made us and a blessing to get laid![/QUOTE]Suit?. Well no don't think anyone expects that. Take a shower, clean pressed shorts and a clean shirt with a bit of cologne is not too much to ask. Don't gross her out, you too want a clean woman, reverse applies. True we cannot get a decent woman at home as they would need to be age appropriate, and haha I don't date grannies. This is Disneyland for men and I doubt you'd go there either in dirty clothes and not take a bath.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2938268]Have you ever seen anyone dressed in a suit and tie in Angeles? Everyone is on vacation. It's hot and humid and all the locals are wearing flip flops and t-shirts. Most of the guys who go to Angeles City cannot get a decent woman regularly in their hometown, that is why they pay the airfare and 2 days travel time to get laid. Like the fish, it has to go up stream to spawn each year. Sometimes its a ritual the way God made us and a blessing to get laid![/QUOTE]These posts are entertaining, some are on point, others are a therapists dream patient.

Seems like some first timers and wannabe first timers are looking for a process document on getting laid and think every female in Angeles is trained to some sort of industry standard.

It also appears the default source of pussy is presumed to be a bar. That ain't how it works. Bars are one source but not the only source. If you have ANY speaking ability and minimal conversation skills you can chat up women all over town and get call backs.

Even the BS sites like Pina Love and Date in Asia will garner you some facebook addresses after the initial meeting. From there, it's up to you to follow up and take note of the new friends network. Create a separate facebook account and an associated Proton Mail Account. I've done that and was bombarded with offers to the extent I blocked most of them. You can meet outside at a neutral location like a cafe for an interview and your expectations.

It can be a scheduling hassle when you book back to back and select the first in line. Then you have to cancel.

If you want to build in some exercise in your pussy hunt, go to the mall and chat up the locals.

That's the way it is today. The days of bars full of young and eager farm girls that scream with excitement when you walk in the door (1970' and 1980's) is over. Now it takes more effort since the age gap widened when the US military left, as well as the supply of young good looking guys that were physically appealing to the average Filipina.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2938230]I think what we are seeing since the rebirth, is those of us who experienced the golden-oldie days, and who are now experiencing the change. Chris is a long-time BM with experience in Thailand, Columbia, Brazil, CR, DR, Phils, and so on. Back in the day, we walked into most any bar and found rare few girls who did NOT want to barfine at the suggestion. Two mamas that I dated there circa 2008-2013 filled me in on various policies for their girls, including while a girl might be able to refuse this or that occasional guy for a BF, doing so twice in one month might find her looking for work elsewhere. Girls were skinnier. Atlantis had 100 girls on the stage at a time. Prices were 25-35% of what they are now. Santos / Raymond St bars were, for a 2-4 hour ST, 1/3 the BF price of what the WS bars LT were. The place was a sh*thole, sure. But it was our sh*thole. Drinks-only girls? I never ran into one.

In the old daze, she needed to do it for another reason. She might have needed X or more barfines a week. If she says no to you, she might have to sit out any money tonight (short of the p150 base pay at the time). I'm sure a few went with me under similar circumstance. However, few starfished or provided poor service.

The Raymond ST bars were similar. Visiting AC during a lull, when the normal barfine was p400 for 4 hours, the mama and girl might agree to p800 for 12 hours. That was half the BF on WS at the time.

There was a better party atmosphere in almost all bars at the time. Cherry girls were marked with a separate ID symbol so you didn't accidentally buy her drinks, only to hear that she doesn't barfine. Wanted to know which girls did *not* barfine tonight? Just ask the waitress or mama and she'd point them out (blood), to avoid the same problem as the cherry girl. Or, tell any girl or waitress exactly what you wanted tonight (anal, camera, stay till 9 am), and she'd look about and say: "There, Gemma, the tall one. And there, Maria, long hair. And that skinny one Samantha. All them need a barfine tonight. Must pay rent" (or similar).

Fat? Smelly? Shy with girls? Obnoxious to girls? Little of this mattered; girls barfined and made the best of a crappy night, hoping he'd be too old / diabetic / hungover in the morning and not f*ck. The vast majority of guys were old, chubby gringos in t-shirts and flip-flops, and you could see it just by walking down WS at night, the large number of them with tonight's honey on his drunken arm. AC was THE place to go to for said fellas, to escape western civ (read: entitled women), ditch the work clothes for 2 weeks, and be a hidden hedonist. For all the calling of AC being a sh*thole, we ourselves (when there) also made up a part of that sh*thole.

It was the easiest kill shot. And we'd complain here every few years when the BF amount went up by a few hundred pesos in this or that bar.

But, those days are gone. For many guys of the old lore, any of these items might be enough for them to skip AC (or Phils) altogether: Lack of similar type of fellas while in-country (or alternately, a large presence of another persuasion); the rise of girls to be avoided (entitlement, drinks-only, 1-pop ST runners, mens); doubled barfine amounts from pre-covid; and specific bars where girls might ignore the fella entirely. Like Chris, I am done with AC. My impression of the place is a bit different than his, but the negatives that I've listed outweigh positives.

Some people don't handle change well, especially large change in a short time. I'm happy to let FG (good reports fella) and the K's have the place. There are other ways to skin the Filipina cat.[/QUOTE]Well said. I agree with every word. Yes it was always a shit hole but we used that word with affection. Now its just a shit hole and an expensive over rated one at that. No BF girls, condoms being demanded, $100 for ST with a very average girl, no thanks. I have not been since 2021 and have no plans to go again. Fortunately there still are better hunting grounds around. And I have plenty of videos and photos from those good old days to revisit them if I want to.

New bikini competition video from this weekend, in 4 k. Looks like the talent is way way up from what it's been in recent months.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYWIF0bc9is[/URL]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2938604]New bikini competition video from this weekend, in 4 k. Looks like the talent is way way up from what it's been in recent months.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYWIF0bc9is[/URL][/QUOTE]So, it appears that they decided to let people film again the "competition". Probably nobody attended anymore the almost boring event. I have taken great shots before the plague in 2019, before the organizers came up with the brilliant idea that no photos are allowed. Many years ago you can take photos inside the bars too when there was some sort of event.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2938646]So, it appears that they decided to let people film again the "competition". Probably nobody attended anymore the almost boring event. I have taken great shots before the plague in 2019, before the organizers came up with the brilliant idea that no photos are allowed. Many years ago you can take photos inside the bars too when there was some sort of event.[/QUOTE]Two mates have sent me their phone-cam vids of the pool parties in the past year or so. Also several other vloggers have posted similar this year.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjuEH7r5Dw[/URL] Chubs Dee.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX04HmKI1kU[/URL] Reality TV UG.

The vids from last year showed a smaller number of girls, maybe 6-8 ladies. Bit bigger now, about 20? Also indicative of post-covid are chubbier ladies. These groups are indicative of today's bargirls. While I find several of the ladies in each vid to be barfine-attractive, I also think 1/3 of them are not (and I am not picky). Nothing against SB parties or the fellas who enjoy them, and certainly its something to do while in town (as there is little else), these vids IMHO are something newbs should take a look at when considering visiting AC in the future.

So number 14 is my favorite, and I'd say when I'm in AC, most of the girls I'm with nightly are plus or minus one level from her, and that type. But, the cool thing about being there for a month plus is that you can enjoy some other other thicker fun girls too. Buy them a lady drink and interview them and if the vibe is right, go to town.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2938646]So, it appears that they decided to let people film again the "competition". Probably nobody attended anymore the almost boring event. I have taken great shots before the plague in 2019, before the organizers came up with the brilliant idea that no photos are allowed. Many years ago you can take photos inside the bars too when there was some sort of event.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2938675]Two mates have sent me their phone-cam vids of the pool parties in the past year or so. Also several other vloggers have posted similar this year.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjuEH7r5Dw[/URL] Chubs Dee.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX04HmKI1kU[/URL] Reality TV UG.

The vids from last year showed a smaller number of girls, maybe 6-8 ladies. Bit bigger now, about 20? Also indicative of post-covid are chubbier ladies. These groups are indicative of today's bargirls. While I find several of the ladies in each vid to be barfine-attractive, I also think 1/3 of them are not (and I am not picky). Nothing against SB parties or the fellas who enjoy them, and certainly its something to do while in town (as there is little else), these vids IMHO are something newbs should take a look at when considering visiting AC in the future.[/QUOTE]My most recent participations to the competition viewing were last year, and in the beginning of this year, I had great seats, but the last time I left before it ended, I figured it out that I can spend my time in more entertaining ways than watching a pointless competition. If photos were allowed then maybe there is an incentive to stay, but that wasn't the case, I didn't care about the buffet, thus the girls that accompanied me seemed to enjoy it a lot.

Vietnam and Cambodia seem enticing. Pattaya of course too. Many places PH going to Korean or Japanese. Puerta Galera, Cebu but you can still find some good places PBurgos.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;2937906]Angeles City is an Overpriced SHIT HOLE with Sub five girls who are Bigoted Prejudice and Raciest and do NOT like to go with Non-Koreans.

Spent two months in Angeles City just returned on Monday.

OVERPRICED: All bar fines are between 4000 k to 5000 k with 5000 k being the most common bar fine price, some girls in the bars being 6000 k, Perimeter Road bars were all 3500 k.

QUALITY OF WOMAN: LOW LOW LOW. Most women in the bars were 4's and 5's rather they were Korean or non-Korean owned bars a few 6's an occasional 7 seen some rare 8's and 9's around but mostly not in the bars just on the streets with Korean customers. Permeator Road bars 99% were sub five. Found the BJ bars, around the corner from Garfield's and the one on Raymond Street to have Only sub five women that would have to pay me to have sex with them.

BIGOTED PREJUDICE AND RACIEST: Overwhelmingly the girls WANT Korean customers first don't have to be young and hansom can be old fat and a slob but as long as you are Korean you will be their number one choice. Number two will be a non-Korean who is exceptionally hansom. If you do NOT fall into either of these two categories, you will find it VERY DIFFICULT to get a girl from the bars.

FREELANCERS: Almost Non-Existent a few in front of Phillies but 99% will be lady boys. Did not notice Any during the two months I was there at the other end around McDonalds. Most freelancers were wanting 2000 k. Did not walk on the back streets seemed to dark and dangerous. Was going to go one night but had a retarded poorly dressed teenage boy walking to close behind me. Crossed to the other side of the street pretended to be looking at one of the stores and letting him walk past me. But he just lingered on the other side of the street like he was waiting for me so just turned around and walked back to walking street. Did pass by those streets a couple of times around fivish and sevenish when it was still light but didn't see much there one or two sub five girls.

TOOK ME FOUR DAYS TO GET LAID: Have been visiting AC yearly since 2012 but have not been there since 2019. Arrived June 12th. Seen little to NO freelancers the occasional ones I seen were sub five and I was not interested in them. Visited the BJ bars around the corner from Garfield's and the one that's left on Raymond Street and found nothing but sub five women that would have to pay me to have sex with them. Visited the Perimeter Road Bars but found them to be stocked with sub five girls who would have to pay me to have sex with them. Under the mistaken belief that as a 60 something Caucasian male I would not have any luck in a Korean owned bar I only visited the non-Korean owned Wolf Hound Group. Dog House group and the new Mieko Group bars. During the first four days. Had a 0. 0% success rate. Was invisible ignored and felt Not Wanted. Luckly, I found the majority of women in those bars to be in the 4 and 5 range in looks so really didn't care if they didn't want to go with me. Later in my trip out of curiosity I went back into many of those bars and bought a drink for the girls I thought were the best looking to see if they would actually bar fine. Went into Lucifers no one paid any attention to me but out of curiosity wanted to see if I could actually get a girl. So had the waitress ask the first girl if I could buy her a drink. We talked, I brought up bar fining and she said she would think about it, and I thought to myself I'll think about coming back into your bar and spending my money again. Had the waitress ask a second one to come over but she said she had menstruation. What that means is you're not Korean and you're not hansom enough. Went into Doll House and talked with an unusually attractive girl who was young Brook Shields looking solid 8. I brought up bar fining and she just crinkled her nose and said in a negative voice "I don't know" I just crinkled my nose and said I don't know if I'm going to spend any more money in your bar. A month and a half later I was actually able to get this girl every day for the last two week of my trip. Towards the end of my trip At the pool party met a Doll House bar girl that I bar fined several nights in a row back in 2014 who is now overweight has lost her looks and working as a waitress at Doll House, actually met four waitresses who I knew as bar girls some 10 something years ago who are now overweight and have lost their looks and working as waitresses. She advocated for me, and I was able to get the stuck-up Brook Shields looking 8 to go with me for the last two weeks of my trip. Tried talking to another attractive girl at Doll House during the first four days who turned out to be the older cousin of the Attractive Young Brook Shields Looking Girl. At first, she said she had to leave early and couldn't, but at the end of my trip the waitress advocated for me, and she agreed to bar fine with me both girls told me they ONLY go with Korean customers, but the waitress told them I was a really nice guy. The waitress was able to get a third girl from there to bar fine with me as well. Without the waitress advocating for me I would have had a 0. 0% success rate there. Went into Miekos Dragon bar during the first four days and bought a drink for a Hot solid 8 looking girl, she sat next to me like she was sitting next to Frankenstein's Monster and when I brought up bar fining it was a definite and strong NO got up walked over to the counter paid the tab and left, never set foot in Miekos bar again and never spent another peso in Miekos bar again.

After my fourth day and having not been laid yet, figured what the hell, and walked into a Korean owned bar, Cosplay, within two minutes of sitting down had a manager / supervisor / whatever come up to me and ask me what girl I wanted, telling me which ones were new which ones had no babies so I picked what I thought was the Hottest girl there she came down for a drink. After the four days of solid being ignored and rejected in the non-Korean bars I 100% expected this girl to tell me no. To my utter disbelief and surprise, she was completely agreeable, and bar fined with me, in disbelief I paid the bar fine and walked out with her still not believing this is actually happening. Went back to Cosplay every day sometimes twice a day for a week straight and bar fined which ever girl I wanted only one time did a girl tell me she only goes with Koreans. I eventually found my way into Sky Fall where the same scenario happed manager / supervisor / whatever come up to me and ask me what girl I wanted, telling me which ones were new which ones had no babies. Had 80% success in getting whatever girl I wanted from there with only 20% of the ones I wanted being Korean only girls. Had some pretty good luck in SS bar on Fields as well. Found Viking despite being a Korean owned bar to be more western in that no one comes up to you and the girls don't notice you or show you any attention. Found High Quality to be very unfriendly to non-Koreans and got the since they really didn't want us in there. But apart from that I found many of the Korean owned bars to be the BEST bars for getting girls. The non-Korean bars to be really a waste of time and money and not worth visiting unless you just want to relax and watch girl who won't go with you.[/QUOTE].