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[QUOTE=DioRetz;2491748]In the older culture children are just a means to get money. An extra hand to do the work. An insurance for old age.[/QUOTE]It seems most have decided to cash in on that insurance at middle age these days. Chick has a mom that is 40 talking about how guilty she feels because she has to help such and such. They don't get a chance to grow and develop because they are saddled with so much responsibility at a young age.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2491810]It seems most have decided to cash in on that insurance at middle age these days. Chick has a mom that is 40 talking about how guilty she feels because she has to help such and such. They don't get a chance to grow and develop because they are saddled with so much responsibility at a young age.[/QUOTE]With the birth rate declining as much as it has for the past couple of decades, now there are only 1 or 2 adult kids to take care of the same number of parents, grandparents, drunk uncles, old maid aunts and so on as before, no longer 5-6 adult kids to do it.
That charismatic doctor who pushed for more widespread condom use supposedly in order to reduce poverty brought on by Thai families having so many kids should have used his charisma to push for a universal Social Security type retirement program for Thailand instead.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2491486]We shall see.[/QUOTE]Hi Hawk.
Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.
You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.
Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.
What do you think?
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2491936]Hi Hawk.
Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.
You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.
Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]Can someone refresh how old Hawk is. Make the whole thing look silly.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2491936]Hi Hawk.
Your undoubted literary talents are obvious but possibly wasted on ISG.
You may need an epilogue with marriage or a honeymoon but so far your story contains all the elements required, older guy meets younger girl, girl needs guy's help, sex and romance followed by conflict and reconciliation it's all there for a Mills and Boon novel.
Even more exciting if you were prepared to use poetic license, take some liberties with the truth and add in a car chase through walking street or though the rice fields of Isaan I can see a Netflix series in the offing especially if ET can take a break from his harem to play the dashing handsome chauvinistic male lead.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]Haha. Thanks. Sorry for a boring beginning, but I would be unable to make up what is about to start happening. No high speed chases through the rice fields or shootings in the back sois of Bangkok however. It is all real. But, for sure, with some license and imagination, this could be a starting point for a story of love or of personal tragedy possibly! Actually, and a spoiler alert, of personal tragedy beyond some stitches to the face I can guarantee (but don't even try to make a prediction based on this).
[QUOTE=DioRetz;2491748]Normally I do not read the Pattaya thread as I was there two days and didn't like it. I like Thailand mostly for culture and beaches etc and just a few days of Bkk. So that is why I never read your stories. Today I did my best to read it all. I was almost a bit in tears about Secret. [/QUOTE]I appreciate your comments. You seem to have a good understanding of the situation, but the last chapter ended with how things were one year ago. Be careful with your predictions as to how things are today! In September 2019 I was trying to see if I could trust her, while sort of ignoring what she needed from me before she could trust me. The issue of trust is about to explode in October 2019, making your wise remarks here quite timely.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2492087]I appreciate your comments. You seem to have a good understanding of the situation, but the last chapter ended with how things were one year ago. Be careful with your predictions as to how things are today! In September 2019 I was trying to see if I could trust her, while sort of ignoring what she needed from me before she could trust me. The issue of trust is about to explode in October 2019, making your wise remarks here quite timely.[/QUOTE]In all honesty, if you can't come live here with her, at least for a time (and I don't mean a month or two), you should really shelve it. As stated before, I've lived here two decades. I've seen some successful relationships with bar girls, but most were disasters. Coming here and living with them for a year or so will let you know how it will be. You will also get an idea about how parasitic the family is. The relationships that I have seen that were a success always entailed gals that did not feel beholden to take care of their families and / or their families had some means. It really is the deal killer, may not seem so at first, but it will be.
[QUOTE=DioRetz;2491748]Normally I do not read the Pattaya thread as I was there two days and didn't like it. I like Thailand mostly for culture and beaches etc and just a few days of Bkk. So that is why I never read your stories. Today I did my best to read it all. I was almost a bit in tears about Secret. I could type university knowledge about it to the length of your stories. I won't do that. As it often doesn't help. Let me tell you that a few times I could predict the next episode of your story and I was proven to be right. Especially about the Aussie guy, as I could have done a similar thing. Actually with Corona I am doing the same thing but than with small entrepreneurs facing a hard time. I guess there are two things that I would like to tell. The first thing is about culture. There are two types of culture here. The Western culture that is individualistic and the older culture that is family oriented. I say older because in Western countries this culture was the same in rural areas just an odd 50 years ago. Westerners have few children and spend a lot of time and money on their children. In the older culture children are just a means to get money. An extra hand to do the work. An insurance for old age. It is pretty universal and you can learn a lot about it on the net. You have (or had) only partial knowledge about the old culture and Secret has only a hunch of your Western culture. If she is to explain her culture to you than you should explain your culture to her. And in depth. You don't graps another culture just in a few hours or days. That takes rehearsal and even after years you still find things to be different. The second thing is about the maturation of the BG. Many BG are effectively girls that have one or more children and the father is not there (left or had a 1 night stand etc). The family will take care of her children and she has to take care of her family. That is the deal. Not just in Thailand but I know of cases in Bulgaria and Romania too. Most girls like that don't really want to become a BG. They have to and their best way out is a loving relationship with a foreigner..[/QUOTE]You're a romantic guy like I was 15 years ago. Yes I loved many girls in Europe, in Thailand! I was totally in love in Thailand of some girls in the past and I was loyal before. I even tried to help them and send them money. I was thinking same like you, that these bar girls in Bangkok or Pattaya were victims and didn't have any choice and had to fuck with men to take care their family.
But right now, I think totally the opposite. If you want a good Thai girl, don't take a lady bar from a gogo or a beer bar especially in Pattaya or Bkk or Phuket. Most of them are lazy, they don't want work. And you have to understand that if you like sexy working girls like me who are 18/25 you have to understand they will never stay only with you. They lie all the time, if you're in Thailand and generous with them, of course they'll like you and they will stay with you if you give them what they want. It can be gifts, money, gold. But even if the girl say she loves you and she'll wait for you, be sure that if you don't live with her in Thailand, one time you'll be in the plane to go back your country she'll go fuck with another man as soon as your left her!
Most of the time, these sexy girls have many sponsors in the world. And when they're boring in Pattaya, they want make money go party and they ll lie to you all the time.
Last time, I was fucking a very sexy girl in Pattaya who is 21. One of my friend who lives in Pattaya gave me her Line, because he told me she was fucking sexy and she was a regular girl to him.
She came my hotel for ST for 1500. And when I was fucking her, her farang boyfriend was calling her on Line, Whasapp, Messenger all the time. And he insisted during more than 5 min, she told me when I was fucking her to let her switch off her phone. Of course I said YES and after she came back on the bed and she let me fuck her again. She just asked me like many girls to not come inside her pussy because she doesn't want be pregnant.
After we spoke and she told me she has 5 boyfriends from many countries. And I asked her why she still go with men if these men send her money. And she told me she's boring and she's in Pattaya and she says when men are nice with her she's ok to fuck. She just lie to her boyfriends and she doesn't care about them.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2492118]In all honesty, if you can't come live here with her, at least for a time (and I don't mean a month or two), you should really shelve it. As stated before, I've lived here two decades. I've seen some successful relationships with bar girls, but most were disasters. Coming here and living with them for a year or so will let you know how it will be. You will also get an idea about how parasitic the family is. The relationships that I have seen that were a success always entailed gals that did not feel beholden to take care of their families and / or their families had some means. It really is the deal killer, may not seem so at first, but it will be.[/QUOTE]One thing she told me is "If you want to understand me, you will have to come to my home town. " I did not fully comprehend that at the time. What you say is quite true.
In October 2019, I knew little about her family. Over time I came to see that she is not in a parasitic family. Some family members on her fathers side (not the father) may indeed be parasitic, but she seems to have pretty much divorced herself from them. All she has provided care for are her mother, half-sister and son. And in fact, she is the effective leader of that family unit. No one is telling her what to do! Going to Pattaya was her sole decision to keep the farm on her and the sister's side of the family.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2489714]Greetings from paradise .
Happy Mid Autumn Festival
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f79dba13bad1[/URL][/QUOTE]The quality of the girls seems below par, but still better than nothing. Which bars? This one looks better. Might be worthwhile to bookmark the space alien so I can reminisce.
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3[/URL]#1.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2489714]Greetings from paradise .
Happy Mid Autumn Festival
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f79dba13bad1[/URL][/QUOTE]Not quite the paradise we remember, but been a great place to be stuck in!
[URL]http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3[/URL]
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2492259]One thing she told me is "If you want to understand me, you will have to come to my home town. " I did not fully comprehend that at the time. [/QUOTE]That is not one a guy with low resistance to saying no should fall for. My buddy is in Surin with a chick now. They went to buy a shitload of crabs. He was thinking they were going to go home and cook them up for a great meal. But no. Instead they went to a pond to release them for good luck. Not sure how much good luck they would have tried to purchase had it been their own money that was buying the crabs. So meanwhile mongers think chicks are at home starving, they are actually literally throwing food away.
[QUOTE=RedMau5;2492466]The quality of the girls seems below par, but still better than nothing. Which bars? This one looks better. Might be worthwhile to bookmark the space alien so I can reminisce.
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f830bd4ca7d3[/URL]#1.[/QUOTE]The Palace!
And the girls dance only for you. Lucky man!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2492917] Instead they went to a pond to release them for good luck.[/QUOTE]And the crabs devoured all the endemic species of the pond and upset the entire eco system....
[QUOTE=Breadman;2491735]My buddy went with a soi 6 girl, kept her for his entire trip. Took tons of photo's of her, wherever they went even naked in bed. He gets home and she sends him a photo of the top half of a hospital bill (without the total) and then a photo of 'her' in the hospital bed. Taken from the waist down. Sure was a hospital bed, had all the correct machines in the background. When he showed me the photo I just said "count the toes". Luckily whoever took the photo was missing a toe on her left foot and he had enough photos to prove she had all of her toes when she was with him. Funny thing is in the bar she wore tons of makeup and just looked 'gaudy', outside the bar she didn't wear much makeup and actually looked very attractive.[/QUOTE]How long was his trip? And how much did he pay her?