Angeles City

I think that the reality of angeles city in the last few years has been summed up nicely and honestly by member chris long, member westie, myself and almost everyone else that has posted recent trip reports.

I find it very hard to find any reason to visit angeles city as a westerner if one is even slightly fussy in ones bed partners.

Sure if one has spent years in a pussy prison western country where a jump with a fat, old, ugly whale is impossible and one is willing to accept the left over angeles city scraps then I'm sure an ok time might be able to be had in angeles.

Reports of if one has game then girls are available to mr westerner are just not true, game has nothing to do with available girls for mr westerner, being asian and especially korean has everything to do with availability of the few better looking girls, why well as others have said, such girls are racists, full stop, no amount of game or charm or pressed clean clothes and smelling good will get such girls unfortunately for mr westerner.

As far as are the few better looking, slimmer girls drinks only girls, then yes 100%, are the few ok looking girls that will actually barfine racist towards westerners then that also has to be a 100% yes.

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[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2938960]I think that the reality of angeles city in the last few years has been summed up nicely....[/QUOTE]For those seeking the good 'ol AC, the solution is simple: go wherever has the same conditions that existed in AC 20 or 30 years ago.

Easy, direct and cheap flights? 99% Korean tourists? Girls that have been fucking and ripping off tourists for decades? PASS!!

Somewhere a little out of the way and takes a bit of effort to get there? A few foreign residents and basically no tourists? Girls fresh of the farm hoping to find a new BF? Meeting a provincial princess at the local market while buying a pound of carrots? Yes please, pick me!!

I can understand guys wanting point and shoot for a long weekend break but there are many different options beyond overpriced barfines and bored girls strutting around a chrome pole.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2939103]For those seeking the good 'ol AC, the solution is simple: go wherever has the same conditions that existed in AC 20 or 30 years ago.

Easy, direct and cheap flights? 99% Korean tourists? Girls that have been fucking and ripping off tourists for decades? PASS!!

Somewhere a little out of the way and takes a bit of effort to get there? A few foreign residents and basically no tourists? Girls fresh of the farm hoping to find a new BF? Meeting a provincial princess at the local market while buying a pound of carrots? Yes please, pick me!!

I can understand guys wanting point and shoot for a long weekend break but there are many different options beyond overpriced barfines and bored girls strutting around a chrome pole.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]While its true to say that there is far better quality pinays in many far flung places of the phills than what's offered in angeles city this takes time, patience and commitment to meet and date the province girls, many moons ago province girls were desperate to meet and marry a foreigner, definately not so easy any more, why, well the internet, even in far flung destinations those province honeys have access to the internet, any young, good looking, slim province girl can put her profile online and be swamped by desperate, lonely, simpletons from the west sending large sums of money to said honeys all without even meeting such.

Few months back had a short visit to a very small town on samar island for a wedding, now as we all know samar island was the biggest provider of manila and angeles bar girls many moons ago, many girls were very pretty indeed, this was my second visit, last one some 25 years ago, back then yes many samar girls gave smiles, were very friendly, were up for marrying a westerner, unfortunately those smiles and yearning to marry westerners is mainly gone, young girls of today want to get educated, want to get a good job, want to work abroad, many have relatives who already work abroad who are willing to sponsor the younger generations education and help to create much better lives for such.

On to the wedding, so many great looking, slim girls were there, unfortunately thise same girls were either dating, engaged or married to a young good looking pinoy, I was the only foreigner there, not one single girl was giving me the come on, far from it.

The internet has unfortunately spoiled the province girls that many moons ago would go to angeles as bar girls, they can earn easier and more money by selling fake dreams to the desperate and lonely online.

Can one find a good wife in the phills province or small towns absolutely yes, but one has to spend months there, be willing to take things very slow, go on many dates (normally with her family members in tow to make sure of no hanky panky) show some real commitment to a serious relationship leading to marriage.

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The internet has unfortunately spoiled the province girls.
[/QUOTE]I'd certainly agree that the internet is a double edged sword: it allows me to meet many more girls just as it allows those same girls to meet many other guys. Of course, "meet" is relative: many of my competition have not, and never will, enter the PI. Most girls are perfectly happy to meet someone who is boots on the ground while their "boyfriend" is several continents away. Similarly, I'm happy to be side dick for a couple of nights.

A girl having a pinoy boyfriend changes things a little but a boyfriend in another province or ofw while she is banging all comers is hardly anything new.

I'd also agree that hunting in the province isn't a point and shoot exercise for 3 day warriors. However, for those with a few more days available, the rewards are worth it. This is especially the case wrt to my original post where I was comparing options vs going to AC and continually complaining about it. I don't present the province's as a perfect alternative but for many it's much better than getting knock backs from 5's strutting around a pole in AC.

To each their own.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2939103]For those seeking the good 'ol AC, the solution is simple: go wherever has the same conditions that existed in AC 20 or 30 years ago.

Easy, direct and cheap flights? 99% Korean tourists? Girls that have been fucking and ripping off tourists for decades? PASS!!

Somewhere a little out of the way and takes a bit of effort to get there? A few foreign residents and basically no tourists? Girls fresh of the farm hoping to find a new BF? Meeting a provincial princess at the local market while buying a pound of carrots? Yes please, pick me!!

I can understand guys wanting point and shoot for a long weekend break but there are many different options beyond overpriced barfines and bored girls strutting around a chrome pole.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I'm sure dating illiterate farm girls may be interesting for some people but its in no way a comparison to AC 20 years ago. There are no provincial town that I know of that has dozens of bars with naked dancing girls giving you a 30 min lap dance for 150 Peso and then fucking your brains out all night for 1000 Peso until you have to kick them out in the morning. Somethings are just gone. A scene similar to old AC but not exactly the same can be found in other countries but not in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2939112]While its true to say that there is far better quality pinays in many far flung places of the phills than what's offered in angeles city this takes time, patience and commitment to meet and date the province girls, many moons ago province girls were desperate to meet and marry a foreigner, definately not so easy any more, why, well the internet, even in far flung destinations those province honeys have access to the internet, any young, good looking, slim province girl can put her profile online and be swamped by desperate, lonely, simpletons from the west sending large sums of money to said honeys all without even meeting such.

Few months back had a short visit to a very small town on samar island for a wedding, now as we all know samar island was the biggest provider of manila and angeles bar girls many moons ago, many girls were very pretty indeed, this was my second visit, last one some 25 years ago, back then yes many samar girls gave smiles, were very friendly, were up for marrying a westerner, unfortunately those smiles and yearning to marry westerners is mainly gone, young girls of today want to get educated, want to get a good job, want to work abroad, many have relatives who already work abroad who are willing to sponsor the younger generations education and help to create much better lives for such.

On to the wedding, so many great looking, slim girls were there, unfortunately thise same girls were either dating, engaged or married to a young good looking pinoy, I was the only foreigner there, not one single girl was giving me the come on, far from it.

The internet has unfortunately spoiled the province girls that many moons ago would go to angeles as bar girls, they can earn easier and more money by selling fake dreams to the desperate and lonely online.

Can one find a good wife in the phills province or small towns absolutely yes, but one has to spend months there, be willing to take things very slow, go on many dates (normally with her family members in tow to make sure of no hanky panky) show some real commitment to a serious relationship leading to marriage.[/QUOTE]I did just that for about a year, traveled around, stayed in small far places, trying to blend in, buying drinks for the locals, going to eat at the same spot every day, etc. And guess what happened most of the time? I ended up coming back to angeles for a weeklong pussy therapy or I got help from some local dude that knew a few girls providing services for the community. And trust me our idea of sexy differs a lot from that of a filipino in all aspects: body, face, vestimentation, and service. Despite the fact that the ratio of female / male is in our favor in the PH, there are no single girls waiting for us anywhere, somehow they are all married, or have boyfriends. Also if there are any available ones, they will be reluctant talking to strangers beyond the initial exchange of polite greetings. If you pass that step, then there is the next one, the one you mentioned above: meeting the family, and for me that one is a no no. Of course there are a few exceptions, but it will always be a girl that had prior exposure to the outsiders, like she worked somewhere, or went to school, etc. On top of all that you have to be careful not to piss off anybody, by stealing their girlfriend, wife, or ex. I had limited success in this long journey around the islands, but parallel with the pussy hunting I did touristy and relocation exploration also, and that was part of the plan.

Most of the successful encounters that I had were initiated by the fact that the girl was sitting next to me in the airplane, bus, boat, and was somehow forced to talk to me.

In the rare instances when I got a local girl in some village I had to put a lot of effort and time into it.

As a side note I have to mention that the takeover by the koreans and the chinese is complete, you will find them, their scouts, korean owned shops, or mentions about recent visits even in the most remote islands, where it took me a lot of research just to find out how to get there. In many places where there was only a small hotel or boarding house in the whole village, the only place to stay there was always a lonely korean staying there and doing nothing but smoking and playing with the phone all day long, waiting for I don't know what. Most didn't speak any english or if they did they were kind of secretive about their scope and length of visit.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;2937906]Angeles City is an Overpriced SHIT HOLE with Sub five girls who are Bigoted Prejudice and Raciest and do NOT like to go with Non-Koreans.

Overwhelmingly the girls WANT Korean customers first don't have to be young and hansom can be old fat and a slob but as long as you are Korean you will be their number one choice. Number two will be a non-Korean who is exceptionally handsom. If you do NOT fall into either of these two categories, you will find it VERY DIFFICULT to get a girl from the bars...

TOOK ME FOUR DAYS TO GET LAID: a 60 something Caucasian male... During the first four days. Had a 0. 0% success rate. .. no one paid any attention to me but out of curiosity wanted to see if I could actually get a girl. ... I brought up bar fining and she just crinkled her nose and said in a negative voice "I don't know"...actually met four waitresses who I knew as bar girls some 10 something years ago who are now overweight and have lost their looks and working as waitresses. ... she sat next to me like she was sitting next to Frankenstein's Monster and when I brought up bar fining it was a definite and strong NO ...
After my fourth day and having not been laid yet...[/QUOTE]In all honesty, look at yourself, you say you are in your 60's. Are you overweight? Face wrinkled? Can't dance? Maybe you are past your prime. I hope I am not too offensive, but I am also in that category! LOL. I lost 50 pounds in the past year and people started to notice. I walk into stores and am ignored, yet my net worth has gone up 10 X what it was when I was in my 40's. Just like we look for the young beautiful girls, they are naturally looking for a young handsome stud like Brad Pitt was 20 years ago, and our time has passed.

Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2939359]Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.[/QUOTE]Some would argue that AC today is not the place you describe either. Lets break it down.

1. Speak English: Okay that is a plus for the Phils over other Asian cities. But what kind of deep conversation do you want with a daughter of a Samar fisherman anyway?

2. Dance and fondle? Thats a rarity now. Maybe a couple of bars like Lollipop you can get that occasionally. Its not a standard offering at majority of the bars. At bars with the hotter girls they will sit next to you like prima donna princesses chugging down expensive sugar water.

3. Bare sex all night? Most girls want short time, many don't barfine at all (or not with all customers) and more and more reports of girls asking for condoms.

4 For pennies? I don't know where you come from but $100 for ST is not pennies, especially after you add up cost of travel.

Eagerly awaiting your next report proving everything I say is no longer true. In that case Ill book a ticket to CRK myself!

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2939359]Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.[/QUOTE]I think in reality those that are just a little bit more fussy in their angeles bed partners are the ones that are experiencing major problems in attracting said girls, as has been reported by multiple recent trip reports.

If ones only requirements are that a bargirl has a pulse to be fuckable then these punters will experience little problems in finding suitable bed partners, it is what it is comes to mind.

I'll be visiting AC next week I was planning on staying there from Mon. Night to Thursday morning to monger. Would that be too long? I'm reading so much pessimism.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2939443]I'll be visiting AC next week I was planning on staying there from Mon. Night to Thursday morning to monger. Would that be too long? I'm reading so much pessimism.[/QUOTE]TTT: We've been having this discussion for a year now. You are only there for 3 nights, which can't be too long. Go have some fun and report back.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2939359]Clearly there are plenty of jaded fellas here pining away for the old days, and who will not return to AC. That's fine, more girls for the rest of us. I was in AC earlier this year and I experienced none of these terrible experiences. Is there a magical place on this planet where hot girls that speak English and don't care what you look like will dance and fondle you and then bare sex you up all night and morning for mere pennies? If so, I'm all ears. The internet has obviously changed things, and I believe you guys when you say the old days were better. But then again, HiSo was a way better place to get laid, but at Mega the vibe is better. Things evolve. I watch enough youtube videos of walking street to know that there are still plenty of gringos getting hot girls on the daily. I also dispute the fact that your personal presentation makes no difference. It makes a huge difference. They aren't sex robots. Although when we finally get Westworld style sex robots, the human race is over. I'll be back in a few months and will give a detailed objective report.[/QUOTE]My previous AC rant was a statement of how it was vs how it is (not a complaint). Button-down shirts open to the naval and wife-beater tshirts littered the landscape (Kokomo's afternoons), gogo girls didn't turn down barfines very often, you got LT unless you booted the girl early, and girls were thinner and better looking. There were no gimmicks in the bar to keep you buying a girl LD's all night thinking that she would barfine with you, only to find out that she won't / can't barfine.

Obviously its changed since then, as described by the gents. For many gents who experienced it before, they are not going to be interested in today's AC. For other gents (Lance, FG), the current AC still represents good opportunities.

TwentyTwoTwos, you have to decide based on what you see here and on other outlets (addicts, YT vlogs). Please be advised that the barfine you pay in the AC gogo bar (up front before taking the girl out) is all-inclusive, no tip is needed upon her departure unless you are so inclined to give one (unlike the Makati / Burgos gogo bars).

That was my point. I wasn't saying that AC was this magical place that I described, I was asking if there is such a magical place, and if so, count me in.

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4 For pennies? I don't know where you come from but $100 for ST is not pennies, especially after you add up cost of travel.

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[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2939480]That was my point. I wasn't saying that AC was this magical place that I described, I was asking if there is such a magical place, and if so, count me in.[/QUOTE]I think we have to accept that referrals and opinions are pretty pointless. It doesn't matter if we are talking AC bars, provincial towns or anything in between: some guys go, find what they want and have a fun time; others find it pointless and a waste of time and money.

The solution always has been to go and see if it meets ome's requirements and be prepared to stay if it does or move on if it doesn't.

I've lost count of the number of times I've given or received recommendations of great options only for the recipient to be less than impressed.

Enjoy. G.