Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Turgid;2493696]From my experience the working girls who seem most susceptible to falling in love with a customer are European girls. Many are good conversationalists and are quite willing to spend a lot of time chatting with you and not wanting to rush into the room.[/QUOTE]I know of a Belgian Jew who fell for a Thai woman. He was the owner of a well established shipping company based in Hong Kong. When he died he left all his assets worth few hundred million dollars to the Thai lady and her two daughters.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493671]What do I do? What CAN I do? What [I]should[/I] I do? I think I know what many of you would do![/QUOTE]Well, for anyone who doesn't believe the story about South Korea, I could ask "Under what stone did you lie the last 30 years or so". There has been a mass transfer of labour around the world. With North Koreans working virtually anywhere to supply for the Missile program. But that's another story. Thais too work abroad, e. G. In Sweden! Only lately I saw a documentary showing their bad circumstances. Some years they do well, picking cherries in the forests. Some years they do not so well. If you enter in a bad year than you might not even be able to pay the trip to and from Sweden with your earnings. So, you actually lose money!

So is it possible in South Korea? The net is your friend. Just translate "vegetable farm in South Korea" to Thai and search the net. This site comes up and it has a combined address with Latin and Thai characters, so it is coded. Otherwise simply repeat my steps. It is not so difficult.

[URL]https://anriintern.com/%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B9%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A2%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%89/[/URL]

I am a bit flabbergasted at some comments here that state Secret is the real BG. Or that FL Hawk is just making things up. If you look at it from the point of view of Secret the story totally makes sense. And Bravo for Hawk to stay so objective about his own story. What I do see is a girl in financial need and desperate to hold on to her farm. If you have studied this phenomenon to some depth than you know that there is a big difference between farmers that do have land of their own and those that have not. The latter become very poor with very few opportunities. They most often have to beg for work. So to me it seems Secret is struggling to hold on to her farm. She has several options. One of them is going to Pattaya and trying to earn enough money. Another is opting for a rich foreigner. She chooses the one she likes best. But she just works down her options and if she reports hardship without Hawk offering money she needs to look for another way. Her next option is to work abroad and has chosen South Korea. I wonder whether that works out fine. South Koreans are quite OK but not filantropists. With Covid-19 coming up she might just be in the wrong time of the year. Then she might lose her farm and be doomed to extreme poverty.

So, is Secret a desperate girl at the verge of collapse. Yes, very likely. Is she hedging her bets with Hawk being one one of those? Yes, most certainly. Is she still a decent girl and not outright asking for money? Well, probably. A westerner might have liked her to be more forthcoming about her intentions: saving the farm.

Would I pay her debts if I had been Hawk. Yes, if I really liked her and the debt was still in reasonable comparison to my money. But I would have her write an IOU for the same amount. As stated before that is not a likely situation as I like a lot of girls that are sex workers but I have never met one that could hold my attention in a conversation for much more than half an hour. In my mind there is a strong foreboding that this is not going to end well for a nice girl. Then her only option is becoming a hardened BG and probably failing at that too.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2493702]Do not fall in love with a hooker. Hookers rarely make good companions for a resort trip unlike a GF. With wall to wall girls in Thailand just offer money to a girl to go with you or just go by yourself and there are plenty of girls in Phuket. Too many westerners are fooled by Asian bargirls. Just because they look and act innocent does not mean their brain is not scheming like any other girl all over the world.

It is more likely she is playing ten others the same game.[/QUOTE]You need to remember his first posts about that girl to understand why he kept seeing her and finally (maybe) fell in love with her. And once emotions get involved, logical thinking doesn't prevail and guys won't listen when you tell them to not fall in love with a hooker.

Not all of these girls are good at getting sponsors, some of them doesn't have any and aren't doing anything in order to get one.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2493754]..................How many FKK girls end up falling in love and living with a stereotypical FKK customer? They're not leaving their Romanian boyfriends to go with a 60+ year old Farang............[/QUOTE]Not many 60+ year old mongers want to marry an FKK girl either.

Tried to read the forum but there seems to be way too many debates going on about other stuff.

Lived in BKK for a few months now and love going to Nana plaza to stare at all the titties and occasionally take some hottie for a ST at the nearest hotel, while the missus is at home watching Netflix.

We're taking our first trip up to Pattaya. How is business these days? Has Covid shut most things off or are we all back to normal now?

Was looking to take a trip down to either Honey 2 or Sabai Dee, any recommendations on which one is best?

Also looking for any recommendations for gogos on or near walking street during the week as we'll be heading back to BKK before Friday.

What's the deal with the ST hotels there? Can obviously bring anyone back to me hotel room.

Cheers lads.

"Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUy2Wx_r0_w[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2493702]But even a hint of playing games I would dump them in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiffPiddy;2493886]Tried to read the forum but there seems to be way too many debates going on about other stuff.

Lived in BKK for a few months now and love going to Nana plaza to stare at all the titties and occasionally take some hottie for a ST at the nearest hotel, while the missus is at home watching Netflix.

We're taking our first trip up to Pattaya. How is business these days? Has Covid shut most things off or are we all back to normal now?

Was looking to take a trip down to either Honey 2 or Sabai Dee, any recommendations on which one is best?

Also looking for any recommendations for gogos on or near walking street during the week as we'll be heading back to BKK before Friday.

What's the deal with the ST hotels there? Can obviously bring anyone back to me hotel room.

Cheers lads.[/QUOTE]It doesn't make much sense to go from Bangkok to Pattaya for a massage parlour because there are more and better ones in Bangkok. The best gogos in Pattaya have reopened now, with Pin-up being the top one.

You lost coherence with the hotel question. Please try again.

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Would I pay her debts if I had been Hawk. Yes, if I really liked her and the debt was still in reasonable comparison to my money. But I would have her write an IOU for the same amount. As stated before that is not a likely situation as I like a lot of girls that are sex workers but I have never met one that could hold my attention in a conversation for much more than half an hour. In my mind there is a strong foreboding that this is not going to end well for a nice girl. Then her only option is becoming a hardened BG and probably failing at that too.[/QUOTE]You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2493754]FL, as Mr. E mentioned 0% chance Secret was going to Korea to work on a vegetable farm. Seoul and Busan are two prime hot spots where Thai girls go work. I know close to 50 gogo, Soi 6, Thermae, and massage girls who have gone to work in Korea since I have met them. Some end up in jail, some can't cut it in Korea because they don't have the right look, and some just miss Thai food and their Thai boyfriend and come home.

How many FKK girls end up falling in love and living with a stereotypical FKK customer? They're not leaving their Romanian boyfriends to go with a 60+ year old Farang unless he has millions and is willing to freely share it.[/QUOTE]Banana Boi stated it right that many just can't adapt to life in Korea or Japan and come home pretty quickly after a short tour of duty. Not getting used to the food seems to be a genuine issue. Took a ridiculously hot Thai girl to Japan once and by the second day she was driving me crazy as she had to eat Thai food and was just picking away and looking at fantastic Japanese food like it was a pile of dog crap.

However I know one particular girl from Baccara Pattaya (one of the most popular ones there), that has stayed in Japan for close to a year now and looks like she has made some genuine real coin during her stint there. I would honestly say that she represents the 10% to 20% who succeed. The rest come back with less money than they started with.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2493795]I am a bit flabbergasted at some comments here that state Secret is the real BG. Or that FL Hawk is just making things up.[/QUOTE]I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493948]You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.[/QUOTE]FL Hawk, regardless how it turned out or will turn out for you, there are special times in our lives after lo' so many years and experiences where it only makes sense for our peace of mind and the greater good to just pay the damn money and see what happens. Yes, the inarguable pattern is 99% of the time the obvious thing will happen; she'll take the money and run.

But after living here almost 8 years and sessioning with hundreds of different hookers, I have met 2 and only 2 girls in the business who touched my heart, mind and body enough to entertain a serious thought of helping them with money to get out of the business and start a new relatively non sex-based line of work.

One was just about a month ago. An absolutely star quality favorite repeat regular of mine for almost a year who is pushing 30, was never at a loss to get a customer if one is around but knows her bargirl days are numbered and was not seeing an end to the downward tourism spiral anytime soon.

So she had this big plan to open some food carts in certain areas of Bangkok, a type of business she knew about from her family being involved in it and could I please lend her 20,000 baht to get her started. She could stop working in a bar and loved me so much she fully intended to continue seeing me every week forever and ever. You know the drill.

However, this time, all things considered, the current bar scene circumstances and, honestly, that I only had this much feeling for 2 out of hundreds of girls I'd known since moving here and that the cost to me for our many times together had not been all that much anyway, I agreed with no more than a moment's hesitation.

I gave her the money. A few days later she sent me a photo of some food cart somewhere and has gone Missing In Action for at least 4 weeks ever since. LOL.

But I don't regret it for one second because I knew the alternative in THIS case was not an option. Sure, I miss her but not too seriously so. And I am not the least bit surprised that she took the money and ran.

But what would still be spinning around in my brain if I had NOT given this particular girl the 20,000 baht she asked me for and then she still went M.I.A., which she most certainly would have done? I would have the thought stuck somewhere in my head that but for 20,000 baht, a relatively insignificant amount of money to me, that girl would have had a chance at a better future and I might still be fucking her every week or two (along with covering ongoing business expenses, I know. LOL).

To KNOW with certainty that she was really only hitting me up for "Bye-Bye Money" on the way out the door and on her way back to her baby girl in Isaan, her Thai boyfriend, family, whatever and all that is well worth 20,000 baht to me vs being left with the idea that I missed an opportunity to do something meaningful for someone I had and still have special feelings for and rewarding to me for the cost of 5 middling go-go bargirl sessions.

If this kind of thing came up every other month or if much more serious money was on the line, it would have been a very different story and I would feel bad about it. But not in this case. I am comfortable in the knowledge that I did what was best for my peace of mind.

Maybe your situation with Secret is similar. If we were crazy old fools falling for young girls to this degree with big money on the line all the time, that's one thing. But if you find yourself with strong feelings about any girl, rare feelings at truly rare times and the amount of money would not change your life one way or the other, not paying the damn money to see what happens just on principle or as a hard, inflexible rule might be the worse option.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2494014]I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.[/QUOTE]Yes, but that doesn't mean you understood her well. Doesn't mean that I did either. But 0% is quite a small number. You seem to know that she went to be a sex worker. Maybe other girls did so. But it is just as likely that she went to work on a vegetable farm. Here is a link of (part) of the documentary I saw about Sweden. Not that long and quite informative. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1QWG3xSNg.[/URL] And here is a link about it still going on: [URL]https://scandasia.com/thais-can-pick-berries-in-sweden/.[/URL] Your comment was not that flabbergasting to me as others were, by the way.

At ET Thanks for a nice story once again.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2493948]You got it exactly right Dio. I am glad I am getting through to someone here! Thank you for your comments.[/QUOTE]I learned about family relations in Third World countries from an economic perspective and years later from a social perspective. Your story is the first that 'brought these classes together'. Refreshing my knowledge. Thanks. Hope you are well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2494055]Maybe your situation with Secret is similar. If we were crazy old fools falling for young girls to this degree with big money on the line all the time, that's one thing. But if you find yourself with strong feelings about any girl, rare feelings at truly rare times and the amount of money would not change your life one way or the other, not paying the damn money to see what happens just on principle or as a hard, inflexible rule might be the worse option.[/QUOTE]You would be correct. You are a good man.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2494014]I know who Secret is and live through the Secret saga in real time when FL is in town.[/QUOTE]Haha. You were a patient wing man my friend.