Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942253]There was an opportunity for that to happen back in the 1990's. [/QUOTE]I agree that there was a missed opportunity here before a KGB agent became president, once a KGB agent was elevated to president, that window was closed permanently.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942253]And perhaps again when Trump was president. What others call ass kissing, I call smart diplomacy. Trump had some huge failings, but breaking away from the neoconservative agenda was not one of them.

Well, maybe someday.[/QUOTE]Trump is a Russian client, so if by reset of relations you mean that Russia gets carte blanche to do what it always has done, then sure, but no one in Europe wants that.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2942125]If Ukraine loses, Europeans and Americans will die in the next conflict which the Orcs will definitely initiate.[/QUOTE]That's another lie that gullible people like you swallow. Russia has no interest in attacking any European country and it won't. The Ukraine NATO issue was a red line and it was clearly communicated since 2008 and was ignored.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2942124]Completely irrelevant. You are rabidly supporting the Orcs, whilst ignoring basic sense.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am on Russia's side against NATO. This is a war between Russia and NATO. NATO is pure evil. It is not a defensive alliance. It is an imperialistic offensive alliance which has caused destruction everywhere it has gone in the last few decades (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria and now Ukraine).

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942253]This stuff can backfire. Look at American support for the Mujahideen during the strife between the USSR and Afghanistan. I don't know the history of that very well, but suspect the USA was arming some of the same people that it fought years later. So then in retaliation the USSR or Russia supports U.S. enemies, and it just escalates.

.[/QUOTE]American hypocrisy knows no limits. America armed and funded and trained Al Qaida in the 80's against the Russians. Ronald Reagon compared them to America's founding Fathers when they visited the White House in the 80's. They were the good guys back then, Bin Ladin and co. And then they became terrorists in the 90's and onwards.

And you are absolutely right. Just like America can arm and use Ukraine as a proxy against Russia, Russia can do the same in latin America, in the middle east and in Africa, and it is already happening.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942254]Ukraine is not winning yet. But Russia's already lost.

Over 1,200 square kilometers of Kursk Region and 100 settlements taken in 3 weeks!

Where is a guerilla war? Where are Molotov cocktails? Where are skirmishes? There are none.

Russian marauders are looting stores and homes in Kursk, while the AFU are supplying the populace with food and basic needs items.

Russian civilians are greeting AFU as liberators, speaking Ukrainian, wishing them luck, and yelling Glory to Ukraine.

What a country![/QUOTE]Pay attention to what is happening in the Donbas, where the war is being fought. You can enjoy the Kursk PR stunt while it lasts. The Bandera terrorists there will all the killed, make no mistake about it.

And yes, I know what your off ramp will be once Ukraine loses the war. It will be go something like this, try not to laugh folks but I guarantee it will look like this: Russia lost because Ukraine still exists as a country, because they didn't take Kiev. It won't matter to them that Russia will probably take all of what is east of the Dniper plus Odessa. This will be their off ramp. Russia has already lost. Yeah. LOL. I can't believe such delusional people exist. Or stupid. Take your pick. I think it's a combo of both to be honest.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942255]Jesus Christ, you're a child![/QUOTE]That's a low blow. You have no basis for your accusation. I am an adult and at least 18 years of age. I have not violated the terms of service of The International Sex Guide.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942254]Russian civilians are greeting AFU as liberators, speaking Ukrainian, wishing them luck, and yelling Glory to Ukraine.[/QUOTE]

Sure they are

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942513]That's a low blow. You have no basis for your accusation. I am an adult and at least 18 years of age. I have not violated the terms of service of The International Sex Guide.



Sure they are[/QUOTE]Of course they are. Don't forget: Ukraine is winning.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2942512]Pay attention to what is happening in the Donbas, where the war is being fought. You can enjoy the Kursk PR stunt while it lasts. The Bandera terrorists there will all the killed, make no mistake about it.

And yes, I know what your off ramp will be once Ukraine loses the war. It will be go something like this, try not to laugh folks but I guarantee it will look like this: Russia lost because Ukraine still exists as a country, because they didn't take Kiev. It won't matter to them that Russia will probably take all of what is east of the Dniper plus Odessa. This will be their off ramp. Russia has already lost. Yeah. LOL. I can't believe such delusional people exist. Or stupid. Take your pick. I think it's a combo of both to be honest.[/QUOTE]XMan does not deal in reality, he lives in a liberal fantasy world. Ukraine is getting their ass kicked.

How Ukraine army keeps going I have no idea. I give the Ukraine army credit, but you have to ask is it worth it, they are slowly getting destroyed.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2942512]Pay attention to what is happening in the Donbas, where the war is being fought. You can enjoy the Kursk PR stunt while it lasts. The Bandera terrorists there will all the killed, make no mistake about it.[/QUOTE]My dear, the war is being fought on 600+ miles of the frontline, but I am paying attention to Donbas. My understanding is that Putin's advance has slowed down there, no? What's your latest (as of today, not a week ago)?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942513]That's a low blow. You have no basis for your accusation. I am an adult and at least 18 years of age. I have not violated the terms of service of The International Sex Guide.[/QUOTE]Well, Kumbaya then.

Like I said: Ukraine isn't winning yet, but Russia has already lost.

Paul Schwennesen.

[B]A front-line report from the Kursk offensive reveals that in the battle for hearts and minds, Ukraines resolve outpaces Russias crumbling morale, signaling an inevitable conclusion.[/B]

[URL]https://reason.com/2024/09/05/the-war-in-ukraine-is-already-over-russia-just-doesnt-know-it-yet[/URL]

[QUOTE]Wars end long before armistices are signed. A war's end, after all, is a matter of will, of spiritand popular will is only haltingly, grudgingly reflected in the political machinery of peace talks.

Though it may seem astonishingly premature to say so, my impression after returning from the Russian front is that the war in Ukraine is over and that the powers that be haven't realized it yet. In the Kursk salient, at least, I can personally attest to the eerie, almost surreal inversion of spirits between the people of Ukraine and Russia. The moral scales have now firmly settled on the side of the Ukrainian defenders, and it is far likelier that Russia itself splinters into its constituent republics than that Ukraine falls to its erstwhile invaders.

[b]I was in Irpin and Bucha nearly three years ago, while they were still smoldering from Russian occupation. The mood then, as we pulled burned bodies with bound hands from the tree lines, was a tragedy-enforced grim determination. Evidence of Ukrainian resistance was everywhere: crates of Molotov cocktails on street corners, invective-laced messages scrawled on storefronts, spent shell casings piled behind makeshift barriers against the intrudersall of it unequivocally pointing to a deep-seated resolve. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942657]My dear, the war is being fought on 600+ miles of the frontline, but I am paying attention to Donbas. My understanding is that Putin's advance has slowed down there, no? What's your latest (as of today, not a week ago)?

[/QUOTE]As usual, your understanding is shit. I will point you to an extremely biased PRO UKRAINIAN source, the New York Times. Even they are admitting that due to the Kursk incursion, Ukraine diverted some of their best battle-hardened troops from the Donbas and to Kursk. That is the reason the Russians are making faster advances there than they have been for the past 3 months. If anything has slowed down, it is the Kursk advance. Try to keep up and don't mix things up. But that is easy to do I guess when you have zero understanding about what is happening on the ground.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2942639]XMan does not deal in reality, he lives in a liberal fantasy world. Ukraine is getting their ass kicked.

How Ukraine army keeps going I have no idea. I give the Ukraine army credit, but you have to ask is it worth it, they are slowly getting destroyed.[/QUOTE]I'll be the first one to give the AFU credit, they are fierce warriors, no denying that. But they are fighting a war they just cannot win, and yes, they will end up getting destroyed and Ukraine will become a dysfunctional, rump state. Yes, it will still exist on the map and that will be the off ramp for NATO and the pro Ukrainian tools here, that Ukraine still exists and Putin didn't succeed in his goal to take ALL of Ukraine (he has never wanted to do that, he is just interested in what is east of the Dniper + Odessa, historically Russian regions) and hence Russia lost. Pathetic and comical really.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2942675]As usual, your understanding is shit...But that is easy to do I guess when you have zero understanding about what is happening on the ground.[/QUOTE] FYI, an ad hominem is a hallmark of a losing argument. I don't know what you're getting out of this but, as I wrote previously, you should try to imagine Russian defeat. Answer me this, when you see videos of the Marder and Bradley IFVs just savaging around in the sacred Russian motherland, what do you feel?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942662]Like I said: Ukraine isn't winning yet, but Russia has already lost.

Paul Schwennesen.

[B]A front-line report from the Kursk offensive reveals that in the battle for hearts and minds, Ukraines resolve outpaces Russias crumbling morale, signaling an inevitable conclusion.[/B]

[URL]https://reason.com/2024/09/05/the-war-in-ukraine-is-already-over-russia-just-doesnt-know-it-yet[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't know if it were the mods who cut it down or something else happened, but if it were the mods, I'd like to emphasize that by cutting it after the first paragraph, you totally erased the message. Yes, I do understand that people can click on the link, but we all know they rarely do.

Whether my post got botched accidentally or if the mods found it too long, I'm cutting it further for the most important parts.

[QUOTE]I was in Irpin and Bucha nearly three years ago, while they were still smoldering from Russian occupation. The mood then, as we pulled burned bodies with bound hands from the tree lines, was a tragedy-enforced grim determination. Evidence of Ukrainian resistance was everywhere: crates of Molotov cocktails on street corners, invective-laced messages scrawled on storefronts, spent shell casings piled behind makeshift barriers against the intrudersall of it unequivocally pointing to a deep-seated resolve.

In Russia today, it is entirely differentit is a moral vacuum. Its citizens in Kursk fled the Ukrainian advance like smoke in the wind, leaving homes and possessions without so much as a whimper. I saw exactly one makeshift roadblock, consisting of a few chairs and a rake. Russian civil resistance is (or was) desultory at best. The comparison is stark: Despite Russia's enormous advantages in mass and material, the will to fight is fundamentally absent.

Ukrainian morale, meanwhile, is topping the chartsbordering on euphoria even. A fervent passion for taking the fight to their enemies has infected the front and operations are conducted amid a general scrum of units desperate to be part of the action... In Russia, there is silence. Of the tiny handful of remaining civilians in the Kursk area, some eagerly interact with the occupiers while the rest furtively attend to their habitual routines.

The action in Kursk is a reminder to Westerners that the Russian behemoth is far from a monolithic, integrated federation. It is instead a tentative, demoralized, loosely adhered tissue of a nation, held together primarily through fear and learned dependence on the state. Separatist sentiment, never fully extinguished, is rising rapidly in regions like Chechnya and Karelia and across some 85 other autonomous regions spanning 11 time zones, most of which have long traditions of independence.

Leo Tolstoy famously wrote of the Russian army: "This horde is not an army because it possesses neither any real loyalty to faith, tsar and fatherlandwords that have been so much misused!nor valour, nor military dignity. All it possesses are, on the one hand, passive patience and repressed discontent, and on the other, cruelty, servitude and corruption." Things have not appreciably improved since.

Russia's incursion into Ukraine has simply run out of moral impetus. It has the resources, of course, to engage in a substantial amount of lingering mayhem. No doubt it will. But the Ukrainians I've met simply cannot envisage a scenario in which they lose. They are prepared to fight in the streets to the last man, and their commitment to freedom is overwhelming. In contrast to the current Russian mood, which seems largely to be one of confused apathy, Ukrainians have the decided advantage.

Wars are won in the heart of a people, not through the rational calculations of military planners. While there is momentum left in the Russian war machine, it is only a matter of time before reality sinks in that the Russian heart is not in this fight. Whether the war ends in the shattering of its fragile federation or in some half-hearted armistice measures to mitigate its appalling losses, Russia simply cannot go on. The Kursk offensive, for all its complexities and contradictions, has, if nothing else, opened a clear window into the popular wills of each side.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2942639]XMan does not deal in reality, he lives in a liberal fantasy world. Ukraine is getting their ass kicked.

How Ukraine army keeps going I have no idea. I give the Ukraine army credit, but you have to ask is it worth it, they are slowly getting destroyed.[/QUOTE]The irony here.