Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide.[/QUOTE]Seems like I mentioned before if the people are really in dire need, why couldn't they just ask all of their friends. Worked for a leg. Why did nobody think to do it when it came to losing a house and land?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend.[/QUOTE]I am still not getting the idea of getting into some kind of relationship with someone that is not doing the things you like. I thought people got into relationships because they found someone that does the things they like. For instance I love getting my dick sucked from the back. I meet a chick and say hey this is the chick for me even though she never sucks my dick from the back. Then every week I complain to my buddies that my girl never sucks my dick from the back. That would beg the question as to why I got involved with her in the first place.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?[/QUOTE]Why is that not typical in the west? Sure it is. I remember when my aunt was lying in the hospital dying and the doctor told her she had a maximum of 2 weeks to live. My dad got all bent out of shape that they would tell her that. Why did my dad not want the doctor to tell my aunt the truth? Same aunt when I was taking a photography class in grad school I did self portraits where my girl left me and I killed myself. My aunt was disappointed that I would do such a project and thought I should have done something more happy with flowers and shit. People of all cultures want to shy away from sad shit no matter how true it may be.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind.[/QUOTE]Say okay I will send 300 baht. Why hemming and hawing all the time? One thing people on this planet will always need is money. You did not solve their life by paying off the house. More shit is going to come up all the time that requires money. Never even turn that spigot on, because you will never be able to water that flower enough.

Too many foreigners have gone to places like Thailand and learned that lesson the hard expensive way; never taking note from those that went before them and were sent home destitute after they were used up. Like that funny ass movie My Thai Bride where the dude from England had to beg his Thai wife to buy him a ticket to get back to England after he had spent his life savings on her and her family.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. Is this typical for Thai women?

The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? [/QUOTE]What yellow flag? This is all your doing. It seems like you are the stubborn one being a glutton for being the family ATM by not letting it go. As I said before, it is not the chicks that go begging for money. It is the foreigners that force it upon them. You couldn't just drop it and be happy not having to send money. You had to force out of her how much you should send to her.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going.[/QUOTE]Pattaya is not just a place that chicks go fuck for money. It is a party place that many go to just to have fun and party and let their hair down. With all the stuff you say was going on in her life then why would she not want to get away and "blow off" (pun intended) some steam?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]She said nothing to me about going anywhere.[/QUOTE]Does she need to?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. [/QUOTE]Why? Why? Why do you even care where she was and what she was doing? Again, what kind of "seeing each other" agreement did you guys have in place?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.[/QUOTE]My long-term prediction for your relationship would be that it is, unfortunately, not good.

My opinion is that anyone who posts or is on the ISG forum should probably not be seeking long-term relationships at the moment. If you're communicating on this forum and participating in activities that relate to P4 P, then it tells me that in terms of love-life, you would be more happy if you stick with the convenience of paying for short-term "love" and affection like the majority of us ISG members. Healthy, long-term "love" is just not in our DNA at the moment as long as we find ourselves here or similar types of forums.

Also, healthy relationships have strong foundations of trust. It seems like you have a lot of mistrust in this relationship. Trying to constantly force trust or validate trust seems futile to me. Based on initial interactions and continuing communication, you either have trust for each other or you don't. Having selective trust or no trust is just not going work in the long-run.

There's nothing wrong if your goal is to have short-term relationships. Most of the ISG community's reports are based on that anyways; short 1-2 hour relationships.

And this has nothing to do with the fact that she comes with a background in P4 P. I think two people can find love and happiness anywhere.

It's just the fact that I don't think you're in a healthy, mental state where you'd be happy in a healthy, long-term relationship.

Again, my prediction is that the ultimate ending to your love story will end in gloom. Sure, you two could still "be together" right now in whatever relationship dynamic that you two have accepted. Unfortunately, I think the ultimate ending for your relationship is going to be how I predict.

If I were to also predict if anyone's advice or comments on here is going to have any meaningful impact and influence on your decisions, then I would predict nope. No one here is going to be able to help you change course on any roads or paths that you decide to take.

Also, I could totally be wrong in thinking that you're seeking advice from the ISG community at all. Maybe you're relaying this love story to help another ISG member learn and avoid your same mistakes? Or maybe it's psychologically therapeutic for you to post your love story on this public forum to help clear your mind and makes you feel better? I have no idea why.

In any case, you should be happy with your choices, and if things work out how you wanted, then good for you.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2501517]I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.[/QUOTE]I'm even simpler, I no longer get involved in relationships. Getting a GF in Thailand, Pattaya especially, defeats the purpose of coming here.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2501655]My opinion is that anyone who posts or is on the ISG forum should probably not be seeking long-term relationships at the moment. [/QUOTE]I agree!

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2501655]healthy relationships[/QUOTE]That's an oxymoron to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2501655]Maybe you're relaying this love story to help another ISG member learn and avoid your same mistakes? [/QUOTE]Yes, he's stated that several times.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2501735]I'm even simpler, I no longer get involved in relationships. Getting a GF in Thailand, Pattaya especially, defeats the purpose of coming here.[/QUOTE]I had a long term (3 years) relationship with a Thai girl. She was working in the bank. Very pretty young (21) pleasant girl to be with. At that time I was doing business in China and would travel back and forth every couple of months. I would go to BKK back and forth from China. I met het on the street near Nana. I assumed she is a SW although she was dressed not in a provocative way. We both smiled at each other and stopped to chat. Asked where she is going she replied she is on her lunch break. Next question is where she works. Then I realized she is not a SW. So we both had lunch together. She could speak English. First day we went for dinner only. After that one thing led to another and she stayed with me.

Later during our relationship we went to Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Golden Triangle and also many destinations in Thailand.

I would not look for a long time relationship with a Thai bargirl.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]We are getting close to end.[/QUOTE]This is huge folks. Close to the end!. Nail biting suspense. Hard to find comparisons for expected viewership, maybe final episode of Friends or Seinfeld. Even will Trump concede or not doesn't come close. Gone viral on all social media platforms and how it ends is the biggest betting market on Belfair.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2501791]This is huge folks. Close to the end!. Nail biting suspense. Hard to find comparisons for expected viewership, maybe final episode of Friends or Seinfeld. Even will Trump concede or not doesn't come close. Gone viral on all social media platforms and how it ends is the biggest betting market on Belfair.[/QUOTE]Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.[/QUOTE]I guess I am beyond that. At first I liked your story and it does have some good parts. But you obsessively are evaluating her truthfulness to you. To me that doesn't seem triggered by her actions. Much more by your own personality. A Brazilian writer once said "The advantage of dishonest people is that they assume others to be dishonest as well and use that to their own benefit. The disadvantage of honest people is that they assume other people to be honest like themselves and often are deceived in this". You ask her to be truthful while going to other prostitutes. I guess that says it all and the end cannot be more telling than that. Your story doesn't tell so much about a relationship between a Thai woman and a Western man. It is not about informing others. It is about exposing yourself.

Boo.

Experienced a new one yesterday. I had just had an infected tooth pulled and was chilling on the boardwalk on Pattaya beach with a mouth that felt like the size of a grapefruit. This SW walked up to me with 2 bags of takeaway food and wanted to share her food with me. When I explained my situation she got so dejected I thought she was going to cry. But even if I could have eaten something I really would have no interest in sharing her food, which seemed like a new way to solicit business. She sat there a few minutes just looking around and begrudgingly walked off in search for a customer. I could have misread the whole incident but I don't think so.

BTW The tooth pull cost me 1100 baht which included antibiotics and pain killers. Pretty cheap price.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2501998]Experienced a new one yesterday. I had just had an infected tooth pulled and was chilling on the boardwalk on Pattaya beach with a mouth that felt like the size of a grapefruit. This SW walked up to me with 2 bags of takeaway food and wanted to share her food with me. When I explained my situation she got so dejected I thought she was going to cry. But even if I could have eaten something I really would have no interest in sharing her food, which seemed like a new way to solicit business.[/QUOTE]I do not think it is about soliciting business. Chicks always try to share like that. That is the same thing that leads them to Pattaya. It is a collectivist culture.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2502003]I do not think it is about soliciting business. Chicks always try to share like that. That is the same thing that leads them to Pattaya. It is a collectivist culture.[/QUOTE]That may be true in general but she didn't just sit there and then eat her food, she obviously went off looking for a customer. After I declined she was desperately searching around.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2501780]I had a long term (3 years) relationship with a Thai girl. She was working in the bank. <snip> I would not look for a long time relationship with a Thai bargirl.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Dating a regular Thai girl is fine albeit difficult to obtain and keep as a tourist. I certainly don't recommend dating a bar girl in Thailand. It would compare with dating a messed up stripper in your home town. Great to hang out with but you certainly don't want to date one long term. Also, as someone said it completely defeats the purpose of Thailand.

[QUOTE=*****man;2501885]Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.[/QUOTE]Ex Machina. Enjoyed that movie.

Damn you guys are really crapping on FL Hawk's story but you seem to be reading his story and commenting on it. Let's face it there is not much else to read about Pattaya during this pandemic. If it really bothers you that much just scroll past it. I am rooting for the alleged "89 year old guy" but this can't end well. I think FL will find out she is back at the bar and walk away from this potential mess.

Fly High Hawk! I'm enjoying your story.

[QUOTE=*****man;2501885]Prepare for a mind-blowing deus ex machina that nobody saw coming.[/QUOTE]That's second favorite on Betfair at 4's.

[QUOTE=Allover;2502052]Damn you guys are really crapping on FL Hawk's story but you seem to be reading his story and commenting on it. Let's face it there is not much else to read about Pattaya during this pandemic. If it really bothers you that much just scroll past it. I am rooting for the alleged "89 year old guy" but this can't end well. I think FL will find out she is back at the bar and walk away from this potential mess.

Fly High Hawk! I'm enjoying your story.[/QUOTE]True not much to read but I have been skipping it as its just a badly written copy of "Private dancer" what's hilarious is that his failures are meant to educate the rest of us. It like listening to a drug addict about the dangers of drug usage, might be relevant to 10 yr old, but not much so to anyone over the age of 25 yrs.