Manila

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2884714]I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).

Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.

We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed.

She was not very experienced sexually, and it showed. She was 21 and just didn't sleep around before. But she made up for it with enthusiasm and a desire to please. Eight creampies in 30 hours before I had to leave. I just paid for our food and her grab to the airport. She didn't ask for or want money.

Over the next few weeks, we kept talking on chat and video call while I was in the province. She didn't ask for money, but I did send her a Christmas gift to her GCash so she could buy something her whole family could use. That's what she asked for when I told her I wanted to give her a Christmas gift. 4 k pesos.

We met again in early January at the airport. She came with two gifts for me that she bought on her own. Both custom-made items that were very sweet and thoughtful. We spent two days together. Two days pretty much naked and fucking when we weren't eating or sleeping. We didn't leave the hotel room once. Nine creampies. And she had to really work for the last one the morning before we left because I don't do viagra at all and I was pretty much spent. Again, I paid just the food and our grab to the airport, which is negligible expense that I would have paid anyway.

So, it was 3. 5 days together. 17 creampies and a couple that I didn't finish on top of that, if you just look at it from that perspective. 37,500 pesos. Of which 24 k was cash given to her. The rest was airfare I paid for her plane tickets on my own accounts. I broke every rule here. I chatted her for weeks before we met. I gave her money before we met. But, dang, the results were pure GFE bliss that I had only experienced with my partner before. She doesn't want my money all the time. It's a pride issue for her. But she is working a wonder with the business she started using the money I sent to her.

I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.[/QUOTE]It sounds to me like you might be well on your way to starting a small family. Do you have plans should this sweetheart get pregnant?

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2890312]This reason is why I prefer girls recommended from the Hotel staff. Most will be related to or a friend of a relative so there will be no issues for safety. Also, I let them know I'm looking for college student, so they will be young and don't engage in the business regularly. Exchange pics and numbers through whatsapp and they will be overly excited for getting school "uniform" money. And, when on their time of month they will happily refer their classmates. And the cycle goes on.[/QUOTE]How does one go about that conversation? How do you choose which employee to ask? I think about doing exactly this but I always end up avoiding it so that if it is awkward I don't have to pass that employee in the lobby for the next several days.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2890383]How does one go about that conversation? How do you choose which employee to ask? I think about doing exactly this but I always end up avoiding it so that if it is awkward I don't have to pass that employee in the lobby for the next several days.[/QUOTE]Option A.

Employee X: Hi Sir!, Are you enjoying your stay sir?

You: I would be better if I had a girlfriend LOL! I need to find a girlfriend you know?

Employee X: You are looking for girl / girlfriend sir?

You: YES? You know of any, JOKE!

Employee X: Yes I know, you like?

You: Yes send me a picture or let me see one. I'm looking for a college girl.

*win*.

Option be.

You: Hi, how's it going do you know where to find girls around here?

Employee X: You are looking for girl sir?

You: Yes! College girls! Do you know any?

Employee X: Yes sir!

*win*.

Option see.

Employee X: Hi, Sir you like girl?

You: Yes!

*win*.

You can also ask if they have a girlfriend and joke that he should help you find a girlfriend if he knows any of his girlfriends friends. This also works well.

If at any time they act like they don't understand. Just say Joke and move on and no awkwardness should linger. If you lead with "I'm horny as fuck do you have anything I can fuck?" then yes expect some awkwardness from just about everyone. Its all about tact. At any time you feel some awkwardness seeping in abort.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2890189]Bro, if I may ask. Did you actually spend US $ 25.000 for the evening, I do understand you had a great time. Or you spent phil pesos. I am just a bit confused.[/QUOTE]You are a bit confused to ask the question.

Think about it. $25,000 = 1,400,000 pesos.

No, sir (to use the super common Filipino greeting, with everything being followed by "sir! I did not spend $25 kUSD, but 25 k Filipino Pesos.

Great night, but my second night was even better, but I ended up somewhere between $850 and $1,000 USD, actual USD, not pesos. So about double of my first day and night, but I knew my second night would be my very last night for maybe. Ever, so I wanted to go out with a banger and I accomplished that goal!

Fantastic nights of fucking, truly. Almost makes me want to make that long-ass flight for a return trip.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2890189]Bro, if I may ask. Did you actually spend US $ 25.000 for the evening, I do understand you had a great time. Or you spent phil pesos. I am just a bit confused.[/QUOTE]

I owe this to the forum. This is a bit long but please. Bear with me.

Was in Manila for 3 nights, first time in Philippines. On last night I decided to do Burgos Street Makati go-go bars. I went to multiple bars before settling on LIPS.

A. Café Cubana was first port of call – decent food sitting on table facing the street. Absolutely horrible girls on adjacent tables trying to make a connect. Food was good, and when I was leaving, a live band started playing and it sounded quite good.

Be. I then did rounds of different bars. It was a bit early. 9 pm or so. So most bars were almost empty and it was wasted effort.

See. Around 10 pm I did 2nd round, more girls, mostly empty but few noteworthy / popular names I am mentioning here.

A. Maison – a bit too dark but girls didn't really look great at all.

Be. Kojax – I think best set of girls but somehow they seemed to be interested in waiting for Japs than engage with others. They idled without making any effort but as soon as a Jap / Korean group walked in, all of them rushed to those two groups. Girls seemed best amongst what I saw across all bars, dressed best (all blacks) but worst attitude.

See. I went back to LIPS for the 2nd time and decided to stay put. Not that it looked great, few 7's but nothing more than that.

So, I decided to spend the evening there and enjoy the action and not worry about taking a girl back since I really wanted a 9/10 only to take back. And as you will see What a great time I had. In-fact, going forward I am going to do this more than worry about taking someone to my room and worry about walk of shame etc. Esp. Given that I am always traveling for work and staying in top properties, with additional risk of bumping into a colleague.

Now the first thing that happened is not a go-go thing but possibly the most interesting part of the evening. I was given a sofa next to a sofa hosting a couple (customers). I had been watching the girl for almost 20 minutes and she was badly drunk, all over her BF, and in some sense even embarrassing him with her antics. At the same she she was definitely classy, and I (and other customers I am sure) were all eyeing her! I was very horny just looking at her dance, grope her BF, smooch him, and dry hump him. After 10 mintues or so the BF stepped out to take a call or something and this girl bended over to me and asked to buy her a drink! I teasingly asked her what will I get in return! She said nothing. Then she asked what do I want. I said I want a kiss. She gave me a peck on the lips but I said I want a full mouthed kiss with tongue. She turned away saying 'not happening'. In two minutes she turned around and said let me come back from the washroom and we can kiss. However, while getting out of her sofa, she comes over to mine, gives me a big wet kiss and goes to washroom. By the time she is back from washroom her BF is back too, I tried to flirt with her but her BF indicated to me to stay away! After 10 minutes they were leaving and BF walks up to me and said to me in a firm manner – Dude, you were hitting at my girl. I said its actually the other way round -the she was hitting at me and I was just reciprocating. He then smiles and said he was going to fuck her wild tonight. Just taking my chances I proposed. If you want to do that why don't we make it a threesome! He laughed and asked if I was kidding and I said no, I am serious. He then said how much will you pay, and I asked him counter question – how much he wants. I guess he was also quite drunk but for him possibly better sense prevailed and he just realized that possibly it was a slip on his part and walked out with his girl. I was seriously disappointed. All this while the girl was standing along with him and listening to this!

Now moving on to the bar girls. I first called a girl who was 19 yrs and really cute and firm. Possibly best girl there – almost an 8. A bit shy though. Just started chatting with her and in a nearby corner I saw a girl giving a lap dance really grinding a customer. I asked this girl to give me a lap dance too but she said she is shy and won't be able to do it. So, I told the waitress to send me someone who will give a lap dance. Waitress went to the lady manager (who was dressed in suit and carrying a slideshow laser beam! She immediately shouted across the floor pointing the laser presentation beam on a girl and called her over. Now this is where the 2nd part of the fun began.

The girl 'Ada' had short blonde curly hair (more like Marlyn Munroe) and was wearing a white printed bikini. And man did she grind me. Front back, suffocating me with her boobs and everything. I was very horny. Trying to get my hands inside the elastic of her panty, even feeling the stuble near the top of her panties, and likewise I got my hands inside her bra. But all these actions were a bit camouflaged and not obvious. Refused to kiss but once when she was facing me and grinding me, she took out one of her boobs and pressed my mouth against them and I licked them nice. When not grinding she was licking my ears, groping me through trousers etc. This went on for almost 40-50 minutes when I asked her if she can get another girl she likes and is friendly with so as to grind me as well.

Here comes Lali, tall, a well-toned, red skirt, black bra. Ada said she will grind like a porn star. Ada sits on side, playing with me while Lali begins. You can almost say similar things as with Ada but now its 2 x. Both taking turns, groping me etc. However, Lali was more open to kissing and gave me a full-blown kiss. In between occassinally steeling a suck at lali's boobs and kisses, even Ada opened up and started kissing. So here I am being really fondled, grinded, and everything, being watched by smiling waitress and also the cleaner guy who would come often to clean the table. Since Lali was wearing a skirt, however short, I had more opportunity to rub her clit through panties without being noticed. This went on for another 30-40 minutes or maybe more. But it was not 2 x, it was much more since the acts got more intense.

I was sitting right across the dance stage. There were 5-6 girls there. Not really dancing but just standing there. There was this one girl, -tall-toned-attractive (7-8). I noticed she was constantly watching us. The moment I would look at her, she would turn her head away, having been caught watching. Later I tried to smile at her she smiled back. And then we were constantly staring at each other even though these two girls were at me. She was smiling back every time I would give her a seductive glance. I asked these girls to call her also! And from there it was 3 x fun. With new girl 'Yonel' grinding me, Ada and Lali on each side, and fondling, kissing, stealing nip sucks etc. And dry humping becoming more and more intense. In between my shirt disappeared without me realizing! And later Ada was strutting around the club in my shirt! My T-shirt was almost up always with girls working on my nipples!

I really had a hard time to put an end to things and go back to my room – had an early work start next morning.

But some key takeaways for me.

• I am a 55 year old Indian, seemingly to people in Thailand / Philipines I look like an Arab because of fair complexion. Am overall smart and fit but average+ in looks department.

• All 3 girls were 7-8 range but had great attitude. Mind-blowing. I think you treat them with respect and they treat you well also. All 3 girls surreptitiously agreed to give their numbers also. I had thought I will try them next day. But eventually I could not find time. One thing I felt is don't always go for best girls, also look at girls who are really making an effort with you. I was lucky. I think I had best looks and attitude combination that day.

• This PDA act was the best fun I have had in almost a decade of this kind of fun across multiple countries but mostly Thailand. Earlier I had always been focused on taking the girl to the room and not enjoyed the moment. This time the focus was enjoying the moments there only for long period and it was even better than just fucking a girl in your room.

• The girls are there of course for money but they were not very greedy and pushy about ladies drinks etc. Every 10-15 minutes they or waitress would suggest and I would delay it by 5 minutes and order. Part of it could also be that traffic was not as heavy but then there weren't too many girls either. So it was a balanced demand / supply. In Thailand the girls want drink every 5 minutes, very pushy and impatient and they just walk off if you don't buy another one quickly.

• Drinks were reasonably priced (120 PHP /2. 5 USD /180 INR for entry level beer San Miguel Light), 360 PHP /7. 5 USD / 540 INR for ladies drinks). Every time a drink was delivered, they got you to initial the receipt. There was no cheating. All in all between three girls, 2-2. 5 hrs of very good time (my undy was full of pre-cum whenever I went to pee!) I spent 6000 PHP / 120 USD / 9000 INR USD over 3 girls, including two of drinks for the waitress.

P.S. I genuinely do not have the numbers saved. I think I left them in the hotel drawer. Before anyone asks!

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2890383]How does one go about that conversation? How do you choose which employee to ask? I think about doing exactly this but I always end up avoiding it so that if it is awkward I don't have to pass that employee in the lobby for the next several days.[/QUOTE]You are a foreigner you are alone what do you think what they are thinking you are there for.

In the Philippines, in just 8 days there, nearly EVERY older white man I saw was accompanied by a young 20-30 year old hottie, who was either their girlfriend and / or their wife.

I'd say it's 100% obvious that they (we) are there for one thing and pretty much one thing only, girls.

Just start the conversation and move along.

Nomars.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2890566]You are a foreigner you are alone what do you think what they are thinking you are there for.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2890399]Option A.

If at any time they act like they don't understand. Just say Joke and move on and no awkwardness should linger. If you lead with "I'm horny as fuck do you have anything I can fuck?" then yes expect some awkwardness from just about everyone. Its all about tact. At any time you feel some awkwardness seeping in abort.[/QUOTE]Ha! A much appreciated play by play. Perhaps I'll give this a shot on my upcoming trip.

I owe this to the forum. This is a bit long but please. Bear with me.

Was in Manila for 3 nights, first time in Philippines. On last night I decided to do Burgos Street Makati go-go bars. I went to multiple bars before settling on LIPS.

A. Café Cubana was first port of call – decent food sitting on table facing the street. Absolutely horrible girls on adjacent tables trying to make a connect. Food was good, and when I was leaving, a live band started playing and it sounded quite good.

Be. I then did rounds of different bars. It was a bit early. 9 pm or so. So most bars were almost empty and it was wasted effort.

See. Around 10 pm I did 2nd round, more girls, mostly empty but few noteworthy / popular names I am mentioning here.

A. Maison – a bit too dark but girls didn't really look great at all.

Be. Kojax – I think best set of girls but somehow they seemed to be interested in waiting for Japs than engage with others. They idled without making any effort but as soon as a Jap / Korean group walked in, all of them rushed to those two groups. Girls seemed best amongst what I saw across all bars, dressed best (all blacks) but worst attitude.

See. I went back to LIPS for the 2nd time and decided to stay put. Not that it looked great, few 7's but nothing more than that.

So, I decided to spend the evening there and enjoy the action and not worry about taking a girl back since I really wanted a 9/10 only to take back. And as you will see What a great time I had. In-fact, going forward I am going to do this more than worry about taking someone to my room and worry about walk of shame etc. Esp. Given that I am always traveling for work and staying in top properties, with additional risk of bumping into a colleague.

Now the first thing that happened is not a go-go thing but possibly the most interesting part of the evening. I was given a sofa next to a sofa hosting a couple (customers). I had been watching the girl for almost 20 minutes and she was badly drunk, all over her BF, and in some sense even embarrassing him with her antics. At the same she she was definitely classy, and I (and other customers I am sure) were all eyeing her! I was very horny just looking at her dance, grope her BF, smooch him, and dry hump him. After 10 mintues or so the BF stepped out to take a call or something and this girl bended over to me and asked to buy her a drink! I teasingly asked her what will I get in return! She said nothing. Then she asked what do I want. I said I want a kiss. She gave me a peck on the lips but I said I want a full mouthed kiss with tongue. She turned away saying 'not happening'. In two minutes she turned around and said let me come back from the washroom and we can kiss. However, while getting out of her sofa, she comes over to mine, gives me a big wet kiss and goes to washroom. By the time she is back from washroom her BF is back too, I tried to flirt with her but her BF indicated to me to stay away! After 10 minutes they were leaving and BF walks up to me and said to me in a firm manner – Dude, you were hitting at my girl. I said its actually the other way round -the she was hitting at me and I was just reciprocating. He then smiles and said he was going to fuck her wild tonight. Just taking my chances I proposed. If you want to do that why don't we make it a threesome! He laughed and asked if I was kidding and I said no, I am serious. He then said how much will you pay, and I asked him counter question – how much he wants. I guess he was also quite drunk but for him possibly better sense prevailed and he just realized that possibly it was a slip on his part and walked out with his girl. I was seriously disappointed. All this while the girl was standing along with him and listening to this!

Now moving on to the bar girls. I first called a girl who was 19 yrs and really cute and firm. Possibly best girl there – almost an 8. A bit shy though. Just started chatting with her and in a nearby corner I saw a girl giving a lap dance really grinding a customer. I asked this girl to give me a lap dance too but she said she is shy and won't be able to do it. So, I told the waitress to send me someone who will give a lap dance. Waitress went to the lady manager (who was dressed in suit and carrying a slideshow laser beam! She immediately shouted across the floor pointing the laser presentation beam on a girl and called her over. Now this is where the 2nd part of the fun began.

The girl 'Ada' had short blonde curly hair (more like Marlyn Munroe) and was wearing a white printed bikini. And man did she grind me. Front back, suffocating me with her boobs and everything. I was very horny. Trying to get my hands inside the elastic of her panty, even feeling the stuble near the top of her panties, and likewise I got my hands inside her bra. But all these actions were a bit camouflaged and not obvious. Refused to kiss but once when she was facing me and grinding me, she took out one of her boobs and pressed my mouth against them and I licked them nice. When not grinding she was licking my ears, groping me through trousers etc. This went on for almost 40-50 minutes when I asked her if she can get another girl she likes and is friendly with so as to grind me as well.

Here comes Lali, tall, a well-toned, red skirt, black bra. Ada said she will grind like a porn star. Ada sits on side, playing with me while Lali begins. You can almost say similar things as with Ada but now its 2 x. Both taking turns, groping me etc. However, Lali was more open to kissing and gave me a full-blown kiss. In between occassinally steeling a suck at lali's boobs and kisses, even Ada opened up and started kissing. So here I am being really fondled, grinded, and everything, being watched by smiling waitress and also the cleaner guy who would come often to clean the table. Since Lali was wearing a skirt, however short, I had more opportunity to rub her clit through panties without being noticed. This went on for another 30-40 minutes or maybe more. But it was not 2 x, it was much more since the acts got more intense.

I was sitting right across the dance stage. There were 5-6 girls there. Not really dancing but just standing there. There was this one girl, -tall-toned-attractive (7-8). I noticed she was constantly watching us. The moment I would look at her, she would turn her head away, having been caught watching. Later I tried to smile at her she smiled back. And then we were constantly staring at each other even though these two girls were at me. She was smiling back every time I would give her a seductive glance. I asked these girls to call her also! And from there it was 3 x fun. With new girl 'Yonel' grinding me, Ada and Lali on each side, and fondling, kissing, stealing nip sucks etc. And dry humping becoming more and more intense. In between my shirt disappeared without me realizing! And later Ada was strutting around the club in my shirt! My T-shirt was almost up always with girls working on my nipples!

I really had a hard time to put an end to things and go back to my room – had an early work start next morning.

But some key takeaways for me.

• I am a 55 year old Indian, seemingly to people in Thailand / Philipines I look like an Arab because of fair complexion. Am overall smart and fit but average+ in looks department.

• All 3 girls were 7-8 range but had great attitude. Mind-blowing. I think you treat them with respect and they treat you well also. All 3 girls surreptitiously agreed to give their numbers also. I had thought I will try them next day. But eventually I could not find time. One thing I felt is don't always go for best girls, also look at girls who are really making an effort with you. I was lucky. I think I had best looks and attitude combination that day.

• This PDA act was the best fun I have had in almost a decade of this kind of fun across multiple countries but mostly Thailand. Earlier I had always been focused on taking the girl to the room and not enjoyed the moment. This time the focus was enjoying the moments there only for long period and it was even better than just fucking a girl in your room.

• The girls are there of course for money but they were not very greedy and pushy about ladies drinks etc. Every 10-15 minutes they or waitress would suggest and I would delay it by 5 minutes and order. Part of it could also be that traffic was not as heavy but then there weren't too many girls either. So it was a balanced demand / supply. In Thailand the girls want drink every 5 minutes, very pushy and impatient and they just walk off if you don't buy another one quickly.

• Drinks were reasonably priced (120 PHP /2. 5 USD /180 INR for entry level beer San Miguel Light), 360 PHP /7. 5 USD / 540 INR for ladies drinks). Every time a drink was delivered, they got you to initial the receipt. There was no cheating. All in all between three girls, 2-2. 5 hrs of very good time (my undy was full of pre-cum whenever I went to pee!) I spent 6000 PHP / 120 USD / 9000 INR USD over 3 girls, including two of drinks for the waitress.

P.S. I genuinely do not have the numbers saved. I think I left them in the hotel drawer. Before anyone asks!

Went to LA Cafe at first night of my stay.

Found myself a table near the pool tables. There was this babe in 30's playing pool with another indian guy. Dressed normally. Low waist jeans and a top showing off her belly. Hourglass figure. And since I was sitting next, everytime she bent to take a shot, I wanted to reach out and grab her ass! But then I am a gentleman!

I was looking but mostly the girls were 5 range and not above.

An old friendly hag tried to pile on. I directly told her I am looking for someone young and slim. I also told her I wanted the girl playing pool. She She then started helping me. She went to that girl but the girl was already taken long time for the night. Anyways.

Then she went and got me a 8/9. Really pretty 8/9 range. I think she was easily the best looking in entire cafe. Mexican mix. However from the word go she was in a rush to be taken out and didn't really want to spend time in the cafe. Avoided any touching feeling etc. Lot of red flags but as she was 8/9 and very alluring I struck a deal with her 100 US night. She had her drink and food. Then she said she will freshen up and be back in 5 minutes. Didn't turn up for almost 30 minutes and when she came she said she can only do short time and not night. I was really pissed, though frankly short would not have been a bad deal, but given other red flags earlier etc. I was a bit irritated, as I also realised she has possibly gone level up and struck an alternate arrangement. So I let her go.

The fun part however is something else.

All this while there is this basket waitress who goes around selling goodies in a basket. She was friendly with this hag and that acted as a reason for her to come / or for me to ask her to stay. She was absolutely gorgeous. 8 I would say. Dark skin, v tight and athletic figure, wearing denim shorts and normal crew tshirt, young (maybe 20-21) and she kept coming and talking to me and standing next to me. Wonderful Ass. Denim shorts really brought out the best of her ass, and her perky medium size tits were really showing through her T. Solid and erect, not an iota of loose skin or hanging boobs. Claire is her name. I was feeling up her bums below the table. Lot of teasing and flirting. I held her hand and brushed it against my hard on many times. She was shy and flirty at the same time! Anyway, that's that. She said being a waitress she can't do anything. Shared her number but refused to leave. It was already 1 am when I left, so didn't want to call her later at night since I had an early start next day. But she was really the one I would have liked to have across all girls I met in 3 nights of stay.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2890566]You are a foreigner you are alone what do you think what they are thinking you are there for.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvvN5No_Yk[/URL]

Reviews on Manila Couetesans please? Genuine / safe / worth it? The good bad and ugly please!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SexGuy2799;2890716]Reviews on Manila Couetesans please? Genuine / safe / worth it? The good bad and ugly please!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes I seen 2 girls (Venus and Bambi) from Manila Courtesans last year when I went to Manila. They do BBBJ, DATY / DATO, DFK (depends), CFS. They wash themselves when they come to room before getting on bed. No bad smell at any part of body. But they are pricey. I went for 2 hours session as I don't prefer overnight with unknown person. There is chat window open and can start chatting who is available. It looks it is 24 hours open. I even texted around 2 am they responded immediately. Only issue is you will not get whoever is there on website. Most of them might be booked or they lie whatever. They ask you to take picture of hotel room number to make sure we are ready. The girls arrive within 30 min to 45 min.

[QUOTE=CowboyMum;2890649]Went to LA Cafe at first night of my stay.

Found myself a table near the pool tables. There was this babe in 30's playing pool with another indian guy. Dressed normally. Low waist jeans and a top showing off her belly. Hourglass figure. And since I was sitting next, everytime she bent to take a shot, I wanted to reach out and grab her ass! But then I am a gentleman!

I was looking but mostly the girls were 5 range and not above.

An old friendly hag tried to pile on. I directly told her I am looking for someone young and slim. I also told her I wanted the girl playing pool. She She then started helping me. She went to that girl but the girl was already taken long time for the night. Anyways.

Then she went and got me a 8/9. Really pretty 8/9 range. I think she was easily the best looking in entire cafe. Mexican mix. However from the word go she was in a rush to be taken out and didn't really want to spend time in the cafe. Avoided any touching feeling etc. Lot of red flags but as she was 8/9 and very alluring I struck a deal with her 100 US night. She had her drink and food. Then she said she will freshen up and be back in 5 minutes. Didn't turn up for almost 30 minutes and when she came she said she can only do short time and not night. I was really pissed, though frankly short would not have been a bad deal, but given other red flags earlier etc. I was a bit irritated, as I also realised she has possibly gone level up and struck an alternate arrangement. So I let her go.

The fun part however is something else.

All this while there is this basket waitress who goes around selling goodies in a basket. She was friendly with this hag and that acted as a reason for her to come / or for me to ask her to stay. She was absolutely gorgeous. 8 I would say. Dark skin, v tight and athletic figure, wearing denim shorts and normal crew tshirt, young (maybe 20-21) and she kept coming and talking to me and standing next to me. Wonderful Ass. Denim shorts really brought out the best of her ass, and her perky medium size tits were really showing through her T. Solid and erect, not an iota of loose skin or hanging boobs. Claire is her name. I was feeling up her bums below the table. Lot of teasing and flirting. I held her hand and brushed it against my hard on many times. She was shy and flirty at the same time! Anyway, that's that. She said being a waitress she can't do anything. Shared her number but refused to leave. It was already 1 am when I left, so didn't want to call her later at night since I had an early start next day. But she was really the one I would have liked to have across all girls I met in 3 nights of stay.[/QUOTE]Danger bring a mask: My "date" took me to LA Cafe, stayed for just 1 minute, told her lets get the fook out of here, couldn't stand all the smokers in there. To each his own but my HEALTH was in jeopardy.

Chocolate rose (and her rosebud) gets boostered, and re-boostered. Approximately a dozen times in 2022-23-24. Not sure if this one is in it for health purposes, or sport. Or both.

For any locals or expats on the forum residing in Manila, I live just around the corner from White Touch Spa at the corner of Sheridan and Pioneer in Mandaluyong and this is a great HJ spa. When I first moved in to my condo a few months ago, I happened to see this place as it was close to the laundry shop where I get my clothes cleaned. It's only $10 for a 1 hour combination massage so I thought, let's get a massage while I wait for the clothes. To my great surprise, the masseuse was cupping my balls and stroking my cock almost immediately and for 2 k (about $38) she gave me a great HJ. She wanted another 1 k for me to get handsy with my roaming hands. I've been back about 15 times and I have been with 5 different therapists, with HJ action from 4 of them. Funny enough, the last time I was there, the therapist didn't give a HJ and I was disappointed and the moment she left to let me get dressed, another therapist snuck in and said "she don't do extra service, I do. Text me next time you come in" haha.

For any others who reside here, do you have any other HJ massage spots to share? Thanks.

Thanks to everyone who have been sharing FRs here. Its amazing. I plan to visit in Mar, and I wanted to be get a few clarifications:

(1) I see two forums here -- one for Manila and Makati. From the map, it looks close enough. Can I find my stay anywhere close and monger?

(2) I found a girl on pinalove from province. She is okay to come and stay with me for a couple of days. She is suggesting mall of asia? Is that a safe place?

(3) I was planning to come around Good Friday time. Is Manila religious and would all the places be closed that weekend?

(4) On 2, if a girl comes and stays for a couple of days, what would be the expectation? She says she is a digital content creator (which I see as an euphemism for free lancing), and she is not naming te $$. What should I be careful about?

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2891175]Thanks to everyone who have been sharing FRs here. Its amazing. I plan to visit in Mar, and I wanted to be get a few clarifications:

(1) I see two forums here -- one for Manila and Makati. From the map, it looks close enough. Can I find my stay anywhere close and monger?

(2) I found a girl on pinalove from province. She is okay to come and stay with me for a couple of days. She is suggesting mall of asia? Is that a safe place?

(3) I was planning to come around Good Friday time. Is Manila religious and would all the places be closed that weekend?

(4) On 2, if a girl comes and stays for a couple of days, what would be the expectation? She says she is a digital content creator (which I see as an euphemism for free lancing), and she is not naming te $$. What should I be careful about?[/QUOTE]Meeting at Mall of Asia is good. If no vibe give her transportation fee and walk away. Be careful. Sometimes they bring the whole clan expecting you to pay for food and they do order a lot with no guarantee girl will go with you.

Going rate per day anywhere from 2500 to 4000 . Good Friday or not there are plenty of girls wherever you look.

Manila is Manila and makati is makati. Study the map. Not a lot of distance but traffic can be horrendous.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2891231]Meeting at Mall of Asia is good. If no vibe give her transportation fee and walk away. Be careful. Sometimes they bring the whole clan expecting you to pay for food and they do order a lot with no guarantee girl will go with you.

Going rate per day anywhere from 2500 to 4000 . Good Friday or not there are plenty of girls wherever you look.

Manila is Manila and makati is makati. Study the map. Not a lot of distance but traffic can be horrendous.[/QUOTE]Thanks Sammon for the quick response. Couple of subtle details that I forgot to mention:

(1) The girl says that she will come to airport to meet and go to the room with me. However she wants me to book a hotel near MOA or airport. She says she is concerned about the travel from and to Cabanatuan. Is this normal ask?

(2) On Vibe -- we have done a few video calls already. She is 28 (shared her ID details) and not young which makes me nervous on what she can pull on me.

(3) I have asked her about separate rooms, and she suggests that we be in the same place with me.

I have had bookings and girls come to my room and leave. This is kinda new. Hence checking to make sure that I have covered all my bases.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2891175]Thanks to everyone who have been sharing FRs here. Its amazing. I plan to visit in Mar, and I wanted to be get a few clarifications:

(1) I see two forums here -- one for Manila and Makati. From the map, it looks close enough. Can I find my stay anywhere close and monger?

(2) I found a girl on pinalove from province. She is okay to come and stay with me for a couple of days. She is suggesting mall of asia? Is that a safe place?

(3) I was planning to come around Good Friday time. Is Manila religious and would all the places be closed that weekend?

(4) On 2, if a girl comes and stays for a couple of days, what would be the expectation? She says she is a digital content creator (which I see as an euphemism for free lancing), and she is not naming te $$. What should I be careful about?[/QUOTE]FYI Mall of Asia she is clever. Your days will be spent shopping for her!

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2891276]FYI Mall of Asia she is clever. Your days will be spent shopping for her![/QUOTE]On a serious note: Mall of Asia is a huge shopping center complex, its safe. Lots of restaurants and movie theater. I once had a province girl stay with me over the weekend at Sheraton Hotel next to the airport. Huge swimming pool during the day time, lots of restaurants, movie theater, and casino's for late at night, very safe area. By mall of asia I like City of Dreams, Okada Hotel very safe there. I'm a blackjack player so the casino's are my 2 CD hobby while I'm there.

Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2891175]Thanks to everyone who have been sharing FRs here. Its amazing. I plan to visit in Mar, and I wanted to be get a few clarifications:

(1) I see two forums here -- one for Manila and Makati. From the map, it looks close enough. Can I find my stay anywhere close and monger?

(2) I found a girl on pinalove from province. She is okay to come and stay with me for a couple of days. She is suggesting mall of asia? Is that a safe place?

(3) I was planning to come around Good Friday time. Is Manila religious and would all the places be closed that weekend?

(4) On 2, if a girl comes and stays for a couple of days, what would be the expectation? She says she is a digital content creator (which I see as an euphemism for free lancing), and she is not naming te $$. What should I be careful about?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2891257]Thanks Sammon for the quick response. Couple of subtle details that I forgot to mention:

(1) The girl says that she will come to airport to meet and go to the room with me. However she wants me to book a hotel near MOA or airport. She says she is concerned about the travel from and to Cabanatuan. Is this normal ask?

(2) On Vibe -- we have done a few video calls already. She is 28 (shared her ID details) and not young which makes me nervous on what she can pull on me.

(3) I have asked her about separate rooms, and she suggests that we be in the same place with me.

I have had bookings and girls come to my room and leave. This is kinda new. Hence checking to make sure that I have covered all my bases.[/QUOTE]1. 1. Manila, Makati and Malate may only be an inch apart in the map but traffic is unbelievable 24/7 and absolutely horrendous during the normal peak hours. Best to treat them as distinct areas. Don't plan on travelling between them on a regular basis.

Makati is probably the most user-friendly area for a newbie. When I'm there I grab a AirBnB near Greenbelt as its close to the action at night and lots to do during the day.

1. 2. MOA is very safe.

1. 3. Pinas in general are very religious and those from the Provinces generally return home for holy week. Luckily Manila is huge so there will only be 8. 7 gazillion girls left to choose from. Having said that, it's the worst time if you are thinking of including a side trip to Angeles, Sabang etc.

1. 4. For just a few days and no commitments on either side for departure dates, I would just pay daily rate X nights spent with you. No disrespect but if you are new at this and she may or may not have high expectations then I would clarify this before she comes. The last thing you want is a generic "up to you" or "shopping money". You have no idea what that could be. Sammon's 2-4 k seems fair. Maybe a little more if you're generous and she's a stunner. You could go lower if it's preagreed that she will stay a week or more.

No need to be too paranoid but know financial expectations, is she coming with friends / chaperones, if so how long are they staying, and take basic security precautions to protect cash and valuables. You also need to have an escape plan should goods not be as described or if you don't click.

2. 1. This is very understandable. MOA is very well known, even to girls from our of town, so she will be comfortable finding it and meeting there. Remember that Cabanatuan is a long way away. It will be an all day event for her to reach you. Hence, it's totally reasonable that she wants some confidence that you will be there and that she will be able to find you.

2. 2. See above. Have an escape plan should things not work out. Be sensible and cautious but note that I've had many more pleasant surprises than horror stories.

2. 3. Why would you want separate rooms? She knows that she's not coming to check the decor and measure for new curtains. If it's time for a change, then make an excuse and send her home. If you want multiple girls per day, just go with short times.

Hope this helps.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. Covering the whole $$ question can be as brutal as asking directly how much she will need to meet you or more politely pointing out that she is coming a long way and won't be able to work while she's with you so it's only right that you give her something to make up for that.

G.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2891286]Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]I've seen a few there, though most are not there any longer. My favorite there was Jasmine. She is short and thin but really good at what she does.

I will caution that, in my experience, if you make an appointment in advance, I don't think they actually reserve the girl for you. I did that twice and both times she was either on her period or off work that evening. It's better to reserve the same day.

[QUOTE=CowboyMum;2890638]I owe this to the forum. This is a bit long but please. Bear with me.

Was in Manila for 3 nights, first time in Philippines. On last night I decided to do Burgos Street Makati go-go bars. I went to multiple bars before settling on LIPS.

A. Caf Cubana was first port of call decent food sitting on table facing the street. Absolutely horrible girls on adjacent tables trying to make a connect. Food was good, and when I was leaving, a live band started playing and it sounded quite good.

Be. I then did rounds of different bars. It was a bit early. 9 pm or so. So most bars were almost empty and it was wasted effort.

See. Around 10 pm I did 2nd round, more girls, mostly empty but few noteworthy / popular names I am mentioning here.

A. Maison a bit too dark but girls didn't really look great at all.

Be. Kojax I think best set of girls but somehow they seemed to be interested in waiting for Japs than engage with others. They idled without making any effort but as soon as a Jap / Korean group walked in, all of them rushed to those two groups. Girls seemed best amongst what I saw across all bars, dressed best (all blacks) but worst attitude.

See. I went back to LIPS for the 2nd time and decided to stay put. Not that it looked great, few 7's but nothing more than that.

So, I decided to spend the evening there and enjoy the action and not worry about taking a girl back since I really wanted a 9/10 only to take back. And as you will see What a great time I had. In-fact, going forward I am going to do this more than worry about taking someone to my room and worry about walk of shame etc. Esp. Given that I am always traveling for work and staying in top properties, with additional risk of bumping into a colleague.

Now the first thing that happened is not a go-go thing but possibly the most interesting part of the evening. I was given a sofa next to a sofa hosting a couple (customers). I had been watching the girl for almost 20 minutes and she was badly drunk, all over her BF, and in some sense even embarrassing him with her antics. At the same she she was definitely classy, and I (and other customers I am sure) were all eyeing her! I was very horny just looking at her dance, grope her BF, smooch him, and dry hump him. After 10 mintues or so the BF stepped out to take a call or something and this girl bended over to me and asked to buy her a drink! I teasingly asked her what will I get in return! She said nothing. Then she asked what do I want. I said I want a kiss. She gave me a peck on the lips but I said I want a full mouthed kiss with tongue. She turned away saying 'not happening'. In two minutes she turned around and said let me come back from the washroom and we can kiss. However, while getting out of her sofa, she comes over to mine, gives me a big wet kiss and goes to washroom. By the time she is back from washroom her BF is back too, I tried to flirt with her but her BF indicated to me to stay away! After 10 minutes they were leaving and BF walks up to me and said to me in a firm manner Dude, you were hitting at my girl. I said its actually the other way round -the she was hitting at me and I was just reciprocating. He then smiles and said he was going to fuck her wild tonight. Just taking my chances I proposed. If you want to do that why don't we make it a threesome! He laughed and asked if I was kidding and I said no, I am serious. He then said how much will you pay, and I asked him counter question how much he wants. I guess he was also quite drunk but for him possibly better sense prevailed and he just realized that possibly it was a slip on his part and walked out with his girl. I was seriously disappointed. All this while the girl was standing along with him and listening to this!

Now moving on to the bar girls. I first called a girl who was 19 yrs and really cute and firm. Possibly best girl there almost an 8. A bit shy though. Just started chatting with her and in a nearby corner I saw a girl giving a lap dance really grinding a customer. I asked this girl to give me a lap dance too but she said she is shy and won't be able to do it. So, I told the waitress to send me someone who will give a lap dance. Waitress went to the lady manager (who was dressed in suit and carrying a slideshow laser beam! She immediately shouted across the floor pointing the laser presentation beam on a girl and called her over. Now this is where the 2nd part of the fun began.

The girl 'Ada' had short blonde curly hair (more like Marlyn Munroe) and was wearing a white printed bikini. And man did she grind me. Front back, suffocating me with her boobs and everything. I was very horny. Trying to get my hands inside the elastic of her panty, even feeling the stuble near the top of her panties, and likewise I got my hands inside her bra. But all these actions were a bit camouflaged and not obvious. Refused to kiss but once when she was facing me and grinding me, she took out one of her boobs and pressed my mouth against them and I licked them nice. When not grinding she was licking my ears, groping me through trousers etc. This went on for almost 40-50 minutes when I asked her if she can get another girl she likes and is friendly with so as to grind me as well.

Here comes Lali, tall, a well-toned, red skirt, black bra. Ada said she will grind like a porn star. Ada sits on side, playing with me while Lali begins. You can almost say similar things as with Ada but now its 2 x. Both taking turns, groping me etc. However, Lali was more open to kissing and gave me a full-blown kiss. In between occassinally steeling a suck at lali's boobs and kisses, even Ada opened up and started kissing. So here I am being really fondled, grinded, and everything, being watched by smiling waitress and also the cleaner guy who would come often to clean the table. Since Lali was wearing a skirt, however short, I had more opportunity to rub her clit through panties without being noticed. This went on for another 30-40 minutes or maybe more. But it was not 2 x, it was much more since the acts got more intense.

I was sitting right across the dance stage. There were 5-6 girls there. Not really dancing but just standing there. There was this one girl, -tall-toned-attractive (7-8). I noticed she was constantly watching us. The moment I would look at her, she would turn her head away, having been caught watching. Later I tried to smile at her she smiled back. And then we were constantly staring at each other even though these two girls were at me. She was smiling back every time I would give her a seductive glance. I asked these girls to call her also! And from there it was 3 x fun. With new girl 'Yonel' grinding me, Ada and Lali on each side, and fondling, kissing, stealing nip sucks etc. And dry humping becoming more and more intense. In between my shirt disappeared without me realizing! And later Ada was strutting around the club in my shirt! My T-shirt was almost up always with girls working on my nipples!

I really had a hard time to put an end to things and go back to my room had an early work start next morning.

But some key takeaways for me.

I am a 55 year old Indian, seemingly to people in Thailand / Philipines I look like an Arab because of fair complexion. Am overall smart and fit but average+ in looks department.

All 3 girls were 7-8 range but had great attitude. Mind-blowing. I think you treat them with respect and they treat you well also. All 3 girls surreptitiously agreed to give their numbers also. I had thought I will try them next day. But eventually I could not find time. One thing I felt is don't always go for best girls, also look at girls who are really making an effort with you. I was lucky. I think I had best looks and attitude combination that day.

This PDA act was the best fun I have had in almost a decade of this kind of fun across multiple countries but mostly Thailand. Earlier I had always been focused on taking the girl to the room and not enjoyed the moment. This time the focus was enjoying the moments there only for long period and it was even better than just fucking a girl in your room.

The girls are there of course for money but they were not very greedy and pushy about ladies drinks etc. Every 10-15 minutes they or waitress would suggest and I would delay it by 5 minutes and order. Part of it could also be that traffic was not as heavy but then there weren't too many girls either. So it was a balanced demand / supply. In Thailand the girls want drink every 5 minutes, very pushy and impatient and they just walk off if you don't buy another one quickly.

Drinks were reasonably priced (120 PHP /2. 5 USD /180 INR for entry level beer San Miguel Light), 360 PHP /7. 5 USD / 540 INR for ladies drinks). Every time a drink was delivered, they got you to initial the receipt. There was no cheating. All in all between three girls, 2-2. 5 hrs of very good time (my undy was full of pre-cum whenever I went to pee!) I spent 6000 PHP / 120 USD / 9000 INR USD over 3 girls, including two of drinks for the waitress.

P.S. I genuinely do not have the numbers saved. I think I left them in the hotel drawer. Before anyone asks![/QUOTE]Fantastic! An excellent experience. Thanks for the detailed post. Though bet the fist experience, if it would have gone thru, would have been the best!

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P.S. Covering the whole $$ question can be as brutal as asking directly how much she will need to meet you or more politely pointing out that she is coming a long way and won't be able to work while she's with you so it's only right that you give her something to make up for that.

G.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much for your feedback. This is my first time with Pinay land. Just wanted to make sure that I have the right expectations going in.

Sincerely.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2891257]Thanks Sammon for the quick response. Couple of subtle details that I forgot to mention:

(1) The girl says that she will come to airport to meet and go to the room with me. However she wants me to book a hotel near MOA or airport. She says she is concerned about the travel from and to Cabanatuan. Is this normal ask?

(2) On Vibe -- we have done a few video calls already. She is 28 (shared her ID details) and not young which makes me nervous on what she can pull on me.

(3) I have asked her about separate rooms, and she suggests that we be in the same place with me.

I have had bookings and girls come to my room and leave. This is kinda new. Hence checking to make sure that I have covered all my bases.[/QUOTE]1. Very understandable and normal as most coming to Manila fear getting lost and don't really know how to transport themselves around. I like Cebu Pacific as they use terminal 3 which is easlier to navigate for new comers and all. Book Belmont hotel or Savoy Hotel for convience and easy access. You can easily taxi to MOA from Belmont or Savoy.

2. Country bumpkin isn't going to pull much on you. She is really at your mercy. She will probably arrived broke.

3. She may be wondering why waste money on 2 rooms? Foolishness to waste money when you can use it on her.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2891257]Thanks Sammon for the quick response. Couple of subtle details that I forgot to mention:

(1) The girl says that she will come to airport to meet and go to the room with me. However she wants me to book a hotel near MOA or airport. She says she is concerned about the travel from and to Cabanatuan. Is this normal ask?

(2) On Vibe -- we have done a few video calls already. She is 28 (shared her ID details) and not young which makes me nervous on what she can pull on me.

(3) I have asked her about separate rooms, and she suggests that we be in the same place with me.

I have had bookings and girls come to my room and leave. This is kinda new. Hence checking to make sure that I have covered all my bases.[/QUOTE]To answer point by point.

1. The girl in question is 28 years old and I am sure she has been to many places. I have had young 18 year old girls meet me at the airport with no problems. I have imported many by flights from provinces fly into Manila and wait for my flight. Some province girls just stay home because cannot travel with no finances. I am sure this one will ask you to send money for her travel. To send or not send is your decision. IMHO 90 percent of girls who come from far ask for money. Can you trust them to show up? It is a million dollar question. I have been cheated few times. That comes with our hobby.

2. You can trust Philippine women. I usually ask right away how much money per day etc. For me it is a business decision meeting the girl first time. Repeat meeting does not require negotiation. Lock up all your valuables. Do not trust anybody. Philippine women love sex. Enjoy with no worries. If you like her you can go shopping, enjoy a movie and dining out. It is like a girlfriend. Do not be scared. Unlike sone other countries where women can cause you problems Philippine is safe. You can call security if problems. Nothing money cannot fix.

3. Why separate rooms? Stay in the same room and enjoy with her. If you do not like her and want to get rid of her give the agreed amount and give some excuse saying you need to go somewhere etc. I have done that few times. One time after first night of great sex the girl had her period and would not allow sex the next day or the following day. I got rid of her and got another girl. Am I heartless? Maybe. I am there on vacation and do not want to waste time babysitting someone.

So they attempted to run the following charges: $1,291.48, another attempt at $1,291.48, then $895.26, $1,305.28 and another at the same amount $1,305.28.

Grand total of attempted, but declined charges was: $6,088.78, plus the one that did go through, but I got reversed of $2,711.55, for a grand, grand total of $8,800.33 in attempted charges by my good friends.

Yes, I did use my card at Lips and also at Dimples with zero issues. They ran exactly what they said they would, which was exactly what I bought.

Nautika on the other hand. NO, NO, NO.

Lesson learned.

Damn fun though! .

[QUOTE=BlueLantern;2888781]What a wild ride man. Definitely nothing that I'd try personally, but it's interesting to live vicariously through your story. Just out of curiosity, how much in total were they trying to charge to your card? Did you give your credit card to the previous place as well?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2891739]To answer point by point.

1. The girl in question is 28 years old and I am sure she has been to many places. I have had young 18 year old girls meet me at the airport with no problems. I have imported many by flights from provinces fly into Manila and wait for my flight. Some province girls just stay home because cannot travel with no finances. I am sure this one will ask you to send money for her travel. To send or not send is your decision. IMHO 90 percent of girls who come from far ask for money. Can you trust them to show up? It is a million dollar question. I have been cheated few times. That comes with our hobby.

[/QUOTE]Yes I have had similar experiences. Although I try and buy tickets direct or other expenses many of these girls will ask for money for food and security on the journey. When you add up the cost its the cost of a few drinks in a bar. Nothing to cry about. The ones that do show are usually very compliant as they are getting a payday well above the availability in many regional towns and cities, they get a nice holiday and they certainly don't want to be kicked to the curb from bad behaviour.

My admittedly limited experience is that girls are generally not super mobile, seeing how expensive (time-wise or money-wise) it is to move around the city. Crossing the city on the cheap (outside of the MRT / LRT system nodes) is an all-day adventure.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2892765]Yes I have had similar experiences. Although I try and buy tickets direct or other expenses many of these girls will ask for money for food and security on the journey. When you add up the cost its the cost of a few drinks in a bar. Nothing to cry about. The ones that do show are usually very compliant as they are getting a payday well above the availability in many regional towns and cities, they get a nice holiday and they certainly don't want to be kicked to the curb from bad behaviour.[/QUOTE]Have her send a pic govt photo ID and book the flight under her name but with your CC.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2892863]Have her send a pic govt photo ID and book the flight under her name but with your CC.[/QUOTE]That's what I did for my girl. I didn't have time to go see her in Mindanao, so I bought her tickets on my account in Cebu Pacific and sent her the boarding pass picture. I would have also given her travel money, as she lives a few hours from the airport, but she refused it. All in all, we had two days for basically her airfare, which was 6-7 k total. Cost of food together was negligible and we shared the same room. Much cheaper than a bar girl, and much more intimate.

If your girl is in or near Manila, there is the option of grab or joyride. Send the money to her gcash. It is usually no more than a few hundred pesos. She will arrive in good time. Just don't sweat it. If you make the girl comfortable, they will generally return it back tenfold.

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2892831]My admittedly limited experience is that girls are generally not super mobile, seeing how expensive (time-wise or money-wise) it is to move around the city. Crossing the city on the cheap (outside of the MRT / LRT system nodes) is an all-day adventure.[/QUOTE]The smart ones use grab bike.

New girl from pinalove, after a brief chat I took the conservation over to whatsapp. I offered 2k but she was looking for 5.5k, we eventfully agreed on 3.5k and met up yesterday evening in Robinson's Place in Ermita, then went to a nearby hotel.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2892697]So they attempted to run the following charges: $1,291.48, another attempt at $1,291.48, then $895.26, $1,305.28 and another at the same amount $1,305.28.

Grand total of attempted, but declined charges was: $6,088.78, plus the one that did go through, but I got reversed of $2,711.55, for a grand, grand total of $8,800.33 in attempted charges by my good friends.

Yes, I did use my card at Lips and also at Dimples with zero issues. They ran exactly what they said they would, which was exactly what I bought.

Nautika on the other hand. NO, NO, NO.

Lesson learned.

Damn fun though! .[/QUOTE]I can second a warning for Nautika. Let me preface all of this by saying it is moronic and anyone's own fault for using a credit card in any of these establishments, simply not worth the risk, you're better off leaving it at home. I got what I deserved. With that preamble out of the way, I had a similarly negative experience at Nautika. I had gone a few times and been reasonably friendly with the staff, bouncer etc. And never felt any major risk of being ripped off. However on my last visit there, now over a year ago, my judgment might have been somewhat impaired after indulging in a few too many SML's and somehow both a credit and debit card were run, at maximum possible charge (50,000 PHP equivalent), multiple times. I noticed what was going on as I got notifications through my phone and confronted the mamasan, who of course denied any foul play. Thankfully I have limits set which prevented any more than a single charge going through. I checked my wallet to make sure my cards were back in there and marched immediately out. Haven't been back since, and never will.

[QUOTE=Idiot182;2893484]I can second a warning for Nautika. Let me preface all of this by saying it is moronic and anyone's own fault for using a credit card in any of these establishments, simply not worth the risk, you're better off leaving it at home. I got what I deserved. With that preamble out of the way, I had a similarly negative experience at Nautika. I had gone a few times and been reasonably friendly with the staff, bouncer etc. And never felt any major risk of being ripped off. However on my last visit there, now over a year ago, my judgment might have been somewhat impaired after indulging in a few too many SML's and somehow both a credit and debit card were run, at maximum possible charge (50,000 PHP equivalent), multiple times. I noticed what was going on as I got notifications through my phone and confronted the mamasan, who of course denied any foul play. Thankfully I have limits set which prevented any more than a single charge going through. I checked my wallet to make sure my cards were back in there and marched immediately out. Haven't been back since, and never will.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting this. Using a CC in such establishments means considering using some heightened security for large purchases: Keep the card locked from within your bank's app until needed. Unlock the card just before you pay and depart the bar. Ask the waitress to bring the bill and card-reader device to you (not the cashier) so you can watch her enter the amount in the device. Today's card readers can be unplugged from both the electrical outlet (rechargeable) and also any wired internet connection (wifi). If they insist that the cashier transacts it at her station (post covid, all cashiers are in a closed office / room), you can go there and watch the cashier use the device (she will turn the device so you can see it and confirm the bill amount on the device). The device prints 2 receipts on the spot. Compare the printed receipt from the device with the bill: Is it the same? After you sign, keep your copy of the receipt (have seen drunk whales literally leave it on their table and waltz out, having never even looked at it). Pull the phone back out of your pocket, check the recent amount on your bank app account, and then re-lock the card on the app before departing the bar. Having the card pre-set at a limit amount as Idiot suggests is also a good idea.

Everything I just said is a vibe-killer. But, just sayin' that if you are running up a tab of p30-100 K in a bar, whether cash or CC requires a heightened sense of security and sitch awareness. Don't let a waitress walk off with your CC out of your site in a gogo bar.

One day and one night in Manila (possibly two). * I haven't been to Manila in 15+ years. I arrive around 7 PM. I'd be grateful for a neighborhood, hotel suggestion and local spot to pick up a girl. * Something lively with good bar / restaurant / girl choices. * Guest friendly nice hotel but nothing fancy* ($50 to $80/ night?) ideally near somewhere where I can pickup a girl for a couple of hours, or a night. * Hotel names, neighborhood, and where to find a girl suggestions appreciated!* Thanks. **.

From reading the forums:* Burgos Street? Makati go-go bars? LA Cafe? . * Cafe Cubana? LIPS?* Maison Bar?**.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2893592]One day and one night in Manila (possibly two). * I haven't been to Manila in 15+ years. I arrive around 7 PM. I'd be grateful for a neighborhood, hotel suggestion and local spot to pick up a girl. * Something lively with good bar / restaurant / girl choices. * Guest friendly nice hotel but nothing fancy* ($50 to $80/ night?) ideally near somewhere where I can pickup a girl for a couple of hours, or a night. * Hotel names, neighborhood, and where to find a girl suggestions appreciated!* Thanks. **.

From reading the forums:* Burgos Street? Makati go-go bars? LA Cafe? . * Cafe Cubana? LIPS?* Maison Bar?**.[/QUOTE]For such a short time, your list is sufficient. Personally I wouldn't worry about LACafe and just stay on Burgos. The girls will cost more but it will be point and shoot.

There are numerous hotels either on Burgos itself (very close but average quality) or on Dunbar Street that intersects it. Dunbar hotel is pretty basic but a good fuck pad: a few minutes walk to the action, quiet enough to sleep, adequate security, and daytime 7/11, food etc. I seem to remember the breakfasts being tollerable.

If you don't want to spend $200 per night on the bargirls, then you can roll the dice with streetwalkers or get numbers to meet out of work hours. Obviously, be aware of the many bakla in the street and lock valuables away when back in your room.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2893636]For such a short time, your list is sufficient. Personally I wouldn't worry about LACafe and just stay on Burgos. The girls will cost more but it will be point and shoot.

There are numerous hotels either on Burgos itself (very close but average quality) or on Dunbar Street that intersects it. Dunbar hotel is pretty basic but a good fuck pad: a few minutes walk to the action, quiet enough to sleep, adequate security, and daytime 7/11, food etc. I seem to remember the breakfasts being tollerable.

If you don't want to spend $200 per night on the bargirls, then you can roll the dice with streetwalkers or get numbers to meet out of work hours. Obviously, be aware of the many bakla in the street and lock valuables away when back in your room.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]That's some good advice but I too will also be in Manila short time, about 48 hours.

What are the options if you not want to chase them down at bars, does Manila have a reliable escort scene?

I think Smooci manila look reliable, and also read here about manila courtesans website.

Or am I missing out on a unique Manila experience not punting at the bar scene? I am more about quality of service and don't mind paying a little extra for it.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2893657]That's some good advice but I too will also be in Manila short time, about 48 hours.

What are the options if you not want to chase them down at bars, does Manila have a reliable escort scene?

I think Smooci manila look reliable, and also read here about manila courtesans website.

Or am I missing out on a unique Manila experience not punting at the bar scene? I am more about quality of service and don't mind paying a little extra for it.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

My apologies, but you will need to define what you mean by "Escort Scene". If you want to bring freelancers back to your room, then you will literally be pushing girls out of the way walking the street to the bars in Burgos. Note my previous warnings about chicks with dicks and security. Other options are online personals sites (rife with false promises that you don't have time to wade through), online outcall websites like Smooci etc at prices similar to Burgos bars or higher or semi / full pros at Poblacion clubs (many mega hot girls but may require wine and dining all night which takes time and $$ Top of the tree is Seeking: it's either love it or hate it and reviews will be polarised about if it's worth it.

Keep in mind Burgos is designed for exactly what you are talking about: businessmen, in town for a few nights, who want good looking girls, a foreigner and English friendly environment, no risk of mind games, runners nor security issues, where price isn't the prime driver.

I'm definitely biased towards it: it's the only place in Philippines that I still barfine, I happily still pay 2 or 3 x what I would pay an online girl and I can't ever remember leaving dissatisfied with the service. You don't have to stay drinking all night: it's perfectly acceptable to walk in, explain to a mama what your preferences are and ask for a 5 girl line up and then walk out 3 minutes later.

Enjoy your trip. G.

[QUOTE=Idiot182;2893484]I can second a warning for Nautika. Let me preface all of this by saying it is moronic and anyone's own fault for using a credit card in any of these establishments, simply not worth the risk, you're better off leaving it at home. I got what I deserved. With that preamble out of the way, I had a similarly negative experience at Nautika. I had gone a few times and been reasonably friendly with the staff, bouncer etc. And never felt any major risk of being ripped off. However on my last visit there, now over a year ago, my judgment might have been somewhat impaired after indulging in a few too many SML's and somehow both a credit and debit card were run, at maximum possible charge (50,000 PHP equivalent), multiple times. I noticed what was going on as I got notifications through my phone and confronted the mamasan, who of course denied any foul play. Thankfully I have limits set which prevented any more than a single charge going through. I checked my wallet to make sure my cards were back in there and marched immediately out. Haven't been back since, and never will.[/QUOTE]No comment on "IDIOCY".

That said, once you've been plied with 5+ rum and cokes (why is Tanduay select so good! This all becomes more difficult.

But by a) not drinking too heavily and b) doing the below actions, you can definitely keep your card safe and not run into any problems.

I will give BofA a plug by saying they immediately noticed the transactions and declined all but one, and that one was quickly researched and reversed. So no damage done.

I will also give a plug for Lips mamasan, Neehan, she was very professional, fun to talk to, confirmed all my charges with me and everything was spot on accurate. So there are trustworthy folks in go-go bars, but yeah, heightened security definitely recommended.

Enjoy Manila!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2893554]Thanks for posting this. Using a CC in such establishments means considering using some heightened security for large purchases: Keep the card locked from within your bank's app until needed. Unlock the card just before you pay and depart the bar. Ask the waitress to bring the bill and card-reader device to you (not the cashier) so you can watch her enter the amount in the device. Today's card readers can be unplugged from both the electrical outlet (rechargeable) and also any wired internet connection (wifi). If they insist that the cashier transacts it at her station (post covid, all cashiers are in a closed office / room), you can go there and watch the cashier use the device (she will turn the device so you can see it and confirm the bill amount on the device). The device prints 2 receipts on the spot. Compare the printed receipt from the device with the bill: Is it the same? After you sign, keep your copy of the receipt (have seen drunk whales literally leave it on their table and waltz out, having never even looked at it). Pull the phone back out of your pocket, check the recent amount on your bank app account, and then re-lock the card on the app before departing the bar. Having the card pre-set at a limit amount as Idiot suggests is also a good idea.

Everything I just said is a vibe-killer. But, just sayin' that if you are running up a tab of p30-100 K in a bar, whether cash or CC requires a heightened sense of security and sitch awareness. Don't let a waitress walk off with your CC out of your site in a gogo bar.[/QUOTE]

This will be my first trip to the Philippines. I'm only going to be in Manila for 1 night then off to have fun with a girl I met online! I'm looking for info on Nuru massages! I've been in contact and the quote me 3000 Pesos for 1 hour (shower together, totally naked Nuru and langham massage whatever that is? I'm wondering how much to bang them and are these people legit? I've been in contact with Misaki Manila but I see other ads on FB messenger! Any advice, info or contacts would be great!! Or if the soapy massage parlors are any good and how much for everything? Thanks gents.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2893657]That's some good advice but I too will also be in Manila short time, about 48 hours.

What are the options if you not want to chase them down at bars, does Manila have a reliable escort scene?

I think Smooci manila look reliable, and also read here about manila courtesans website.

Or am I missing out on a unique Manila experience not punting at the bar scene? I am more about quality of service and don't mind paying a little extra for it.[/QUOTE]Thanks Vrsabien. I'm back in Manila / Makati for a short time in transit before heading to the airport at 6 pm. I never knew about Smooci and the other site. I wasn't sure if there were any girly bars in Makati open during the day so this may be another option. If anyone could advise on this it would be greatly appreciated. A girl once told me the City Garden Hotel isn't visitor friendly but I've heard otherwise and will have a room there until I leave. Happy Days!

[QUOTE=Philjoy;2894001]Thanks Vrsabien. I'm back in Manila / Makati for a short time in transit before heading to the airport at 6 pm. I never knew about Smooci and the other site. I wasn't sure if there were any girly bars in Makati open during the day so this may be another option. If anyone could advise on this it would be greatly appreciated. A girl once told me the City Garden Hotel isn't visitor friendly but I've heard otherwise and will have a room there until I leave. Happy Days![/QUOTE]Hi guys,

I'm probably answering my own question here as I found the daytime solution for some action in Makati / Manila and thought I'd share for the benefit of others in my position. Well I checked out O'Reilly's in Makati when I arrived late last night and was told there would be girls available from 2 pm this afternoon. So I went back there and what a mistake. Firstly, because I was the first guy to arrive I was swamped. Sure there were some pretty girls there but it was like flies attracted to sh*t. If I was to buy cranberry lady drinks it would have set me back almost 3000 pesos basically for the two beers I had while there. The mamasan said the going rate was 3500 peso for her and then 5000 peso for the girl (negotiable) . So with not much time to spare I went back to the City Garden hotel and asked the door guy if he knew of any pretty girls. Within 5 minutes I was shown a facebook profile of a girl who could be here within half an hour. So up to my room I went and waited for the knock knock. Sure, Ashley was slightly chunky but we had an amazing shower and she had muscles down there that were superb, not to mention her oral skills. I paid Ashley 3500 peso and I tipped the door guy 200 pesos. I think I'll try this tact more often as the girl and the door guy benefit and the 'house' doesn't soak up the rest of your cash for just providing a service, let alone the fruit juice lady drinks rip-off. Additionally the front desk called me when she arrived to make sure everything was legit and they also called me when she was back downstairs afterwards to make sure she was able to leave. I assume to make sure she didn't steal any cash etc etc. We also swapped whatsapp details so next time I'm here I'm sorted. Okay, it's off to the airport now. Got to love The Philippines!

I've always wanted a Nuru Massage, the orgs give me a price of 3000-4000 pesos which they say include shower together, Nuru massage and linggham massage! Has anyone experienced this and how much can I expect to pay for FS, preferably PSE or GFE?

Also viewing smooci website, is the rate on the pages of the girls legit or should I be expected to be charged more and if so how much for PSE or GFE?

This is my first trip to the Philippines. I will be in Manila for only one night and need advice please!! Thank you.

[QUOTE=Acp209;2894615]I've always wanted a Nuru Massage, the orgs give me a price of 3000-4000 pesos which they say include shower together, Nuru massage and linggham massage! Has anyone experienced this and how much can I expect to pay for FS, preferably PSE or GFE?

Also viewing smooci website, is the rate on the pages of the girls legit or should I be expected to be charged more and if so how much for PSE or GFE?

This is my first trip to the Philippines. I will be in Manila for only one night and need advice please!! Thank you.[/QUOTE]Before my first trip, I did a lot of research online. I contacted several of the out all massage places, and the cost is relatively cheap, but nebulous when it came to Nuru, etc. The ones who do pricing by types of massage are in the 3-4 k range, and anything extra is on top of that. Prices usually aren't given, but one did say usually at least double, depending on the therapist.

I also researched Smooci, Manila Courtesans, and Manila Asian Escorts. I ended up going with a young 19 year-old from Manila Courtesans, and I think she was 5 k for two hours. No tip involved, as everything is included in the advertised price. That experience wasn't great, as she spoke little English and gave surprise BBFS when we didn't have a condom. I had her leave after 20 minutes. A few weeks later, as I was leaving the country and had a night in Manila, I saw another one (Jasmine), and I think her rate was 6 k for two hours. She was a dream. Prices on smooci tend to be the same as on Manila Courtesans, but it has wider outreach.

After a few trips, I've found that it really is easy to get a freelancer online from Pinalove or any dating website, often times really quickly. And it is usually cheaper. So maybe consider that.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2894736]Before my first trip, I did a lot of research online. I contacted several of the out all massage places, and the cost is relatively cheap, but nebulous when it came to Nuru, etc. The ones who do pricing by types of massage are in the 3-4 k range, and anything extra is on top of that. Prices usually aren't given, but one did say usually at least double, depending on the therapist.

I also researched Smooci, Manila Courtesans, and Manila Asian Escorts. I ended up going with a young 19 year-old from Manila Courtesans, and I think she was 5 k for two hours. No tip involved, as everything is included in the advertised price. That experience wasn't great, as she spoke little English and gave surprise BBFS when we didn't have a condom. I had her leave after 20 minutes. A few weeks later, as I was leaving the country and had a night in Manila, I saw another one (Jasmine), and I think her rate was 6 k for two hours. She was a dream. Prices on smooci tend to be the same as on Manila Courtesans, but it has wider outreach.

After a few trips, I've found that it really is easy to get a freelancer online from Pinalove or any dating website, often times really quickly. And it is usually cheaper. So maybe consider that.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip about Jasmine. Is it possible for you to mention the girl to avoid?

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2894736]Before my first trip, I did a lot of research online. I contacted several of the out all massage places, and the cost is relatively cheap, but nebulous when it came to Nuru, etc. The ones who do pricing by types of massage are in the 3-4 k range, and anything extra is on top of that. Prices usually aren't given, but one did say usually at least double, depending on the therapist.

I also researched Smooci, Manila Courtesans, and Manila Asian Escorts. I ended up going with a young 19 year-old from Manila Courtesans, and I think she was 5 k for two hours. No tip involved, as everything is included in the advertised price. That experience wasn't great, as she spoke little English and gave surprise BBFS when we didn't have a condom. I had her leave after 20 minutes. A few weeks later, as I was leaving the country and had a night in Manila, I saw another one (Jasmine), and I think her rate was 6 k for two hours. She was a dream. Prices on smooci tend to be the same as on Manila Courtesans, but it has wider outreach.

After a few trips, I've found that it really is easy to get a freelancer online from Pinalove or any dating website, often times really quickly. And it is usually cheaper. So maybe consider that.[/QUOTE]I've always fantasized about getting a Nuru Massage but if I don't know the price for everything, maybe I'll sadly a.

Pass! Good to know no upselling on smooci, this is my first time ever to the Philippines, so I'm an uncharted waters! Thanks again.

Not to boast, but at least 200 Pinays opened her legs for me during past years of my many visits.

But I NEVER did use Smooci, Manila Courtesans, Manila Asian Escorts or any of this Escort shit. Its for the brainless or introverts. The same ones who are unable to bed a girl back home.

Just smile in cafes, malls. Perhaps use DIA or Pinalove if you know how to select the game ones, eventually get numbers from bar girls after her duties of draining ladydrinks. And you will be rewarded endlessly with sweet pussy.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2895094]Not to boast, but at least 200 Pinays opened her legs for me during past years of my many visits.

But I NEVER did use Smooci, Manila Courtesans, Manila Asian Escorts or any of this Escort shit. Its for the brainless or introverts. The same ones who are unable to bed a girl back home.

Just smile in cafes, malls. Perhaps use DIA or Pinalove if you know how to select the game ones, eventually get numbers from bar girls after her duties of draining ladydrinks. And you will be rewarded endlessly with sweet pussy.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't fuck them with your dick.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2895094]Not to boast, but at least 200 Pinays opened her legs for me during past years of my many visits.

But I NEVER did use Smooci, Manila Courtesans, Manila Asian Escorts or any of this Escort shit. Its for the brainless or introverts. The same ones who are unable to bed a girl back home.

Just smile in cafes, malls. Perhaps use DIA or Pinalove if you know how to select the game ones, eventually get numbers from bar girls after her duties of draining ladydrinks. And you will be rewarded endlessly with sweet pussy.[/QUOTE]What you said isn't wrong. I'll freely admit that I hate bars and crowds of people. So, for my second time in Manila when I didn't have a girl set up to be with me and had one night flying in and flying out, an escort agency was good for me. My summer trip I had girls from Pinalove set up to see. My last trip in December I had four days with a different girl, and this one I stayed with. I don't care to fuck 200 different women. Sometimes, when you find the right one, you stay with her. Breaking a monger rule, but it's good for me. I got plenty of game outside of bars and clubs, but time is also a factor in the experience. To each his own!

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2895282]What you said isn't wrong. I'll freely admit that I hate bars and crowds of people. So, for my second time in Manila when I didn't have a girl set up to be with me and had one night flying in and flying out, an escort agency was good for me. My summer trip I had girls from Pinalove set up to see. My last trip in December I had four days with a different girl, and this one I stayed with. I don't care to fuck 200 different women. Sometimes, when you find the right one, you stay with her. Breaking a monger rule, but it's good for me. I got plenty of game outside of bars and clubs, but time is also a factor in the experience. To each his own![/QUOTE]Good Read. Quality over quantity.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2895282]I don't care to fuck 200 different women. Sometimes, when you find the right one, you stay with her. Breaking a monger rule, but it's good for me. I got plenty of game outside of bars and clubs, but time is also a factor in the experience. To each his own![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2895324]Good Read. Quality over quantity.[/QUOTE]Ya. Over a long period of time, I found myself whittling out from my herd girls who, previously, I found desirous. Sometimes I dropped a hottie, while keeping a lesser-looker. The hottie was flaky on showing up (or barely present during the ditty); while the lesser gal was eager to be with there (or horny), or we had developed a bond or good friendship. That became my quality.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2895216]I wouldn't fuck them with your dick.[/QUOTE]Disparate views. . .

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2895216]I wouldn't fuck them with your dick.[/QUOTE]That is kind of harsh Tijuana. Everybody has their preferences and ideas on what is desirable. One guy's beauty is another guy's "I wouldn't fuck that with a 10 ft pole" and vice a versa. These days I am hanging out in Sao Paulo Boates for the most part where there is a ton of variety. I think you know what I mean. Personally, I am not into girls with huge silly cones and large bundas, but that type is very popular with some of the locals as well as visiting gringos. I am just glad there are plenty of slender, natural types available that satisfy my preferences and visions of hotness too.

I am sorry TjBrazil. No slight intended. I typed TTTTTJJJJJ minus the extra letters and Spell Checker came up with a border town in northern Mexico. I should have checked what I wrpote before posting it.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2895390]That is kind of harsh Tijuana. Everybody has their preferences and ideas on what is desirable. One guy's beauty is another guy's "I wouldn't fuck that with a 10 ft pole" and vice a versa. These days I am hanging out in Sao Paulo Boates for the most part where there is a ton of variety. I think you know what I mean. Personally, I am not into girls with huge silly cones and large bundas, but that type is very popular with some of the locals as well as visiting gringos. I am just glad there are plenty of slender, natural types available that satisfy my preferences and visions of hotness too.[/QUOTE]I have been on ISG long enough to realize that there are guys who lurk waiting to criticize photos posted by other guys to try to give the impression that they are connoisseurs when everyone knows that they are just lonely guys whose only relationship with girls they deem desirable are via photos and videos.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2895433]I have been on ISG long enough to realize that there are guys who lurk waiting to criticize photos posted by other guys to try to give the impression that they are connoisseurs when everyone knows that they are just lonely guys whose only relationship with girls they deem desirable are via photos and videos.[/QUOTE]I think the world is a better place when there are men who love girls I consider ugly. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2895094]Not to boast, but at least 200 Pinays opened her legs for me during past years of my many visits.

But I NEVER did use Smooci, Manila Courtesans, Manila Asian Escorts or any of this Escort shit. Its for the brainless or introverts. The same ones who are unable to bed a girl back home.

Just smile in cafes, malls. Perhaps use DIA or Pinalove if you know how to select the game ones, eventually get numbers from bar girls after her duties of draining ladydrinks. And you will be rewarded endlessly with sweet pussy.[/QUOTE]You're still paying though, right?

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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2895376]Disparate views. . .[/QUOTE]There will always be those that only want to bang the models and stunners. Typically, performance isn't important but they like to be seen with he prettiest around.

Others want someone, not too hard on the eyes, who is good fun and puts in the effort to please.

I think most would agree that it's rare to find some one in both categories. Unfortunately, I've found many times that looks and price do not guarantee a great performance.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2895433] . . . there are guys who lurk waiting to criticize photos posted by other guys [/QUOTE]I believe this is the fellow who came to the Philippines, hated the place and the girls, and now keeps hanging around to tell us how deluded we are for liking them. The mind boggles. . . .

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2895216]I wouldn't fuck them with your dick.[/QUOTE]Dare to use mine! But yours won't be able to manage that fun loving gals.

Why the answers are focusing on the pic but no one comments on the expensive shit offered by escort-agents and pimps?

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;2895646]Dare to use mine! But yours won't be able to manage that fun loving gals.

Why the answers are focusing on the pic but no one comments on the expensive shit offered by escort-agents and pimps?[/QUOTE]I am not ashamed to admit to using Manila Courtesans. And will next time I visit. In my case, it's all about convenience. Price is (IMO) reasonable too. Cheaper than bar fine + tip in Makati. Hopefully my fav from MC is available next trip. She is bisexual and I'm thinking of taking her with me to Burgos Street. Hoping she finds anothe bisexual girl for a REAL threesome! (Up to now, my 3 somes /4 somes have been girls on me. Minimal play with one another.).

But I digress. Those girls have some f'd up faces!

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2895811]I am not ashamed to admit to using Manila Courtesans. And will next time I visit. In my case, it's all about convenience. Price is (IMO) reasonable too. Cheaper than bar fine + tip in Makati. Hopefully my fav from MC is available next trip. She is bisexual and I'm thinking of taking her with me to Burgos Street. Hoping she finds anothe bisexual girl for a REAL threesome! (Up to now, my 3 somes /4 somes have been girls on me. Minimal play with one another.).

But I digress. Those girls have some f'd up faces![/QUOTE]I'll be in manila next week for 2 nights before starting my holidays around PH and was considering using MC for a night. It will be my first time in PH and thought it would be a good and safe start of the trip.

Some of the girls on the pictures look realy promising and indeed the price seems reasonable.

I did find some negative reviews about service and hygiene of the girls that made me doubt and just hit the bars. Can you share names of the girls you have experience with?

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2895811]I am not ashamed to admit to using Manila Courtesans. And will next time I visit. In my case, it's all about convenience. Price is (IMO) reasonable too. Cheaper than bar fine + tip in Makati.[/QUOTE]It was a good report. You 'get them how you get them'. Don't stop. File us another report next time.

[QUOTE=Betong;2895546]I believe this is the fellow who came to the Philippines, hated the place and the girls, and now keeps hanging around to tell us how deluded we are for liking them. The mind boggles. . . .[/QUOTE]The OP has not denied that his biggest errors were self-inflicted wounds (failure to RTTF, peppering us with too many small-potatoes questions, and failure to look thru the PG prior to making travel arrangements). What boggles the mind is not that he didn't like the girls; but that he is, months later, still hitting on that same topic. I see Admin deleted his post.

Settle down. Trying to enjoy myself here.

Let me tell you all just how easy this is. I've been living in Manila for 3 years. My girlfriend went home to the province for the weekend so I downloaded Tinder, again. Started swiping right, soon came upon a 27 year old with 2 photos, 1 looking away and another frontal photo but wearing a COVID mask. Can't see her face but the body looked decent so I swiped right. We matched. We sent a few texts back and forth, the usual "where do you live? "what do you do for work? "how long have you been in the Philippines? I tell her I'd like to meet and send her my WhatsApp number.

A few minutes later, I get a Hello, text. I'm straight to business - "I have a condo in Mandaluyong, you want to come over tonight?" She replies, sure. She asks "what are we going to do?" and I reply "I'm an older experienced very kinky man. I'm going to give you orgasms with my mouth until you beg me to stop, and then I'm going to fuck you. " She replies "haha ok". I give her my address and she says I'll be there about 7 pm. 7:30 pm she texts that she's in the lobby. I go down and meet her and SCORE. She's maybe 5' tall, 90 lbs, cute as hell, braces. I walk her upstairs to my condo, and after a few minutes talking on the couch I'm taking off her clothes and she has the most petite little body, little A tits with pencil eraser nipples, smooth hairless pussy.

I go to town on that pussy with my mouth, tongue, fingers, and after about 20 minutes she's screaming in pleasure, pussy is clenching on my fingers and she tells me to stop and fuck her, she's already cum 3 times. Haha. I flip her over and move her into doggy, and she asks "do you have a condom?" and I simply slide into her extremely wet and tight pussy and fuck the shit out of her. Twist her into multiple positions on the couch, then carry her to the bedroom and toss her on the bed and fuck her until I pop inside of her. She asks, "did you just cum inside of me?" and I tell her yup, but don't worry I've had a vasectomy. She says, "Oh, ok" and that's that.

We take a shower together and she lets me know that was amazing dick. I'm her first American and her first foreigner in 2 years. She tells me I fuck good for a 46 year old, and I laugh and tell her that's my little Tinder white lie, I'm actually 56. She's shocked, tells me that she never imagined a man close to 60 could toss her around and aggressively fuck her all over the condo. She gets dressed, thanks me again, and heads out to the elevators.

I'm a very average 5'8", 220 lb white guy with a dad bod. I've had women approach me at the mall, Starbucks, the gym, and just give me their phone number. Life is good here in the Philippines boys.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2895958]Let me tell you all just how easy this is. I've been living in Manila for 3 years. My girlfriend went home to the province for the weekend so I downloaded Tinder, again. Started swiping right, soon came upon a 27 year old with 2 photos, 1 looking away and another frontal photo but wearing a COVID mask. Can't see her face but the body looked decent so I swiped right. We matched. We sent a few texts back and forth, the usual "where do you live? "what do you do for work? "how long have you been in the Philippines? I tell her I'd like to meet and send her my WhatsApp number.

A few minutes later, I get a Hello, text. I'm straight to business - "I have a condo in Mandaluyong, you want to come over tonight?" She replies, sure. She asks "what are we going to do?" and I reply "I'm an older experienced very kinky man. I'm going to give you orgasms with my mouth until you beg me to stop, and then I'm going to fuck you. " She replies "haha ok". I give her my address and she says I'll be there about 7 pm. 7:30 pm she texts that she's in the lobby. I go down and meet her and SCORE. She's maybe 5' tall, 90 lbs, cute as hell, braces. I walk her upstairs to my condo, and after a few minutes talking on the couch I'm taking off her clothes and she has the most petite little body, little A tits with pencil eraser nipples, smooth hairless pussy..[/QUOTE]Wow no money at all? Sounds great!

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2895958]Let me tell you all just how easy this is....

7:30 pm she texts that she's in the lobby. I go down and meet her and SCORE. She's maybe 5' tall, 90 lbs, cute as hell, braces.

I'm a very average 5'8", 220 lb white guy with a dad bod. I've had women approach me at the mall, Starbucks, the gym, and just give me their phone number. Life is good here in the Philippines boys.[/QUOTE]Haha. Nice story. I've lost count of the pleasant surprises I've had with Pinas. Unwrapping jeans and a tee shirt to find a bikini model underneath has always been a favourite of mine.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2895975]Haha. Nice story. I've lost count of the pleasant surprises I've had with Pinas. Unwrapping jeans and a tee shirt to find a bikini model underneath has always been a favourite of mine.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]So true, G. Many have amazing bodies they hide conservatively. Of course it can also go the other way with spandex or even worse if they are hiding a dick! Cheers!

I've found this site and chatted with some operator on the site and they told me the pictures are real and the price stated on the girls are all that will be charged for a GFE experience, can some of you verify or give some advice? I'm just worried about bait and switch! Thanks! Flying out of San Fran tomorrow night for my first trip to Philippines! Also, GFE with Nuru I was told to expect to pay double the price of Nuru, can anybody recommend the best Nuru org to use? I see so many! Thank you.

[QUOTE=Acp209;2896306]I've found this site and chatted with some operator on the site and they told me the pictures are real and the price stated on the girls are all that will be charged for a GFE experience, can some of you verify or give some advice? I'm just worried about bait and switch! Thanks! Flying out of San Fran tomorrow night for my first trip to Philippines! Also, GFE with Nuru I was told to expect to pay double the price of Nuru, can anybody recommend the best Nuru org to use? I see so many! Thank you.[/QUOTE]In my experience with them, the pictures are accurate, even if a little glammed up. No negotiation on prices is needed. The definition of GFE isn't standard. Some girls kiss, some don't, but I've never had DFK with any of them. It is a good idea to have your own condoms, just in case.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2895971]Wow no money at all? Sounds great![/QUOTE]Haha when she was leaving she started to complain about the cost of Grab back to her place, which I know is about an hour away and costs about 1200 pesos. She was also asking me if there was a Jollibee or other restaurant close by so she can grab a snack to eat on the way home. I reached into my wallet and grabbed 2 k, and said "for the Grab and a snack". Huge smile, big hug, sweet kiss, and she was on her way. So ya, she cost me about $36 LOL.

[QUOTE=Trvllvr58;2895811]I am not ashamed to admit to using Manila Courtesans. And will next time I visit. In my case, it's all about convenience. Price is (IMO) reasonable too. Cheaper than bar fine + tip in Makati. Hopefully my fav from MC is available next trip. She is bisexual and I'm thinking of taking her with me to Burgos Street. Hoping she finds anothe bisexual girl for a REAL threesome! (Up to now, my 3 somes /4 somes have been girls on me. Minimal play with one another.).

But I digress. Those girls have some f'd up faces![/QUOTE]I've used MC, Smooci and others as well as going about my walks in Makati or picking up from Tagged, etc. Variety is the spice of life I always say! Sometimes the convenience of looking at a web page and picking is a lot easier if you have to be somewhere the next day, or you just simply don't want to leave the room and deal with traffic, other drunkards, etc. But then sometimes it's the thrill of the hunt! Whatever the case, just enjoy while you can and don't mess it up for the rest of us!

Shall be in Manila March 14. Please lmk if you want to monger together.

Manila is totally blown the F% out.

I would just totally take a hard pass on manila as whole MAYBE MAYBE what was known as LA Cafe which I didn't hit this trip but prices at the gogo bars and now that ESDA is closed manila is just a total bust.

I can see why some were recommending resorting to online fishing as the manila scene is real dead ATM. The women are EXTREEMLY desperate in the manila bars and also look just a desperate as they act The P4 P scene as a whole is just not worth partaking in in Manila unfortunately.

If you are adventurous I had better luck with normal women and flirting with women around the city but the bar girls were a total bust ill do a more through report later on but I was unexpectedly and unpleasantly surprised at how far the manila scene has fallen.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2896945]Manila is totally blown the F% out.

I would just totally take a hard pass on manila as whole MAYBE MAYBE what was known as LA Cafe which I didn't hit this trip but prices at the gogo bars and now that ESDA is closed manila is just a total bust.

I can see why some were recommending resorting to online fishing as the manila scene is real dead ATM. The women are EXTREEMLY desperate in the manila bars and also look just a desperate as they act The P4 P scene as a whole is just not worth partaking in in Manila unfortunately.

If you are adventurous I had better luck with normal women and flirting with women around the city but the bar girls were a total bust ill do a more through report later on but I was unexpectedly and unpleasantly surprised at how far the manila scene has fallen.[/QUOTE]What prices were they asking?

This scene as a whole due to lack of demand has kind of dried up. Like a self fulfilling prophecy less demand equals less supply and lower quality goods.

Less demand means that bottom feeders like the ones in the manila gogo bars have a chance at this money. When demand is high like pre covid levels the supply increases and the incentive for the hotter girls to participate is much higher. Right now we are at some twilight zone stage where you have VERY fugly women working in these establishments MAYBE 1-2 lookers per bar if that. Low demand has sent prices sky rocketing. These bars are more of a novelty than a serious mongering spot right now.

These gogo girls stink of desperation. I got quoted 4 k bar fine plus 5 k LT. I remember Manil being unreasonable like this but this is on a new level. These girls latch on to your dick in a bad uncomfortable way and demand lady drinks. Girls are not happy unless you buy 2-3 rounds of drinks for 5-6 girls. Treat you like an ATM could careless if you are having a good time. They call these drinks "lucky drinks" FOR WHO? These are unlucky drinks imo. PLEASE don't be that guy who buys drinks for ugly women let the fugly starve so they eventually leave. Keeping these extremely ugly women afloat not only dilutes our hobby as a whole it makes it so after a few hotties get barfiend the bar is left looking like a zombie apocalypse. I cannot explain how much of a difference their is in the quality of girls? I suspect they are old hangers on? Women ranging from 35-45 but will say they are in their 20's. I think you might have some luck on tinder or online sources however in the past one could always find something fuckable in and around the red light districts. Imo unless you are going to go the online route manila until further notice is a pass. Manila due to the traffic and high cost of living and super inflation in the gogo bar scene makes for a destination only for the most blue balled among us.

In the end I ended up importing one of my regulars from the province for $100 airfare and about $60 per day LT on top of accommodations and food for her fair trade imo.

Anyone been to GPoint bar on Padre Faura recently?

Back in the day it had good food and craft beer and some singers.

Freelancers were always available in the evening.

[QUOTE=Drinky;2897479]Anyone been to GPoint bar on Padre Faura recently?[/QUOTE]A few months ago.

[QUOTE=Drinky;2897479]Back in the day it had good food and craft beer and some singers.[/QUOTE]Foods is the same menu. Can you be more specific about when you were there? Things change a lot.

Sorry to say but when I was in Manila in 2022 it was weak. I went to Dimples in Burgos St and the lineup was awful. Plan B was already closed. Then I went to Malate and it was just overpriced blue ball KTVs. I didn't even bother with LA cafe. People are saying AC is bad but its still ten times better than Manila. Plus getting around Manila is a nightmare. Public transport sucks and it took about three Jeepneys to get from Makati to Divisoria.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2897565]SNIP

Plus getting around Manila is a nightmare. Public transport sucks and it took about three Jeepneys to get from Makati to Divisoria.[/QUOTE]Ya, that parts the same as before covid. Traffic is terrible.

[QUOTE=Drinky;2897479]Anyone been to GPoint bar on Padre Faura recently?

Back in the day it had good food and craft beer and some singers.

Freelancers were always available in the evening.[/QUOTE]Yuh I was there about a month ago. For brunch only as I was the the first and only customer at that time. I was watching a NFL football game in a comfortable chair. Food is good. I got the waitress' phone number. She's overweight but has giant tits and cute face. I figured she might be BJ queen as many of the chubby Pinays are! I don't know about the nighttime or freelance action.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2897565]Sorry to say but when I was in Manila in 2022 it was weak. I went to Dimples in Burgos St and the lineup was awful. Plan B was already closed. Then I went to Malate and it was just overpriced blue ball KTVs. I didn't even bother with LA cafe. People are saying AC is bad but its still ten times better than Manila. Plus getting around Manila is a nightmare. Public transport sucks and it took about three Jeepneys to get from Makati to Divisoria.[/QUOTE]I must admit, Manila isn't the most tourist-friendly city. For relaxation and recreation, I would recommend Bangkok. I travel to Manila frequently for work, visiting two to three times a year.

However, I find Bangkok to be a more enjoyable city overall. The prices in Bangkok are generally more reasonable, and in my personal opinion, the women there are more attractive.

FYI. Makati-Divisoria is 2 train raids if you're coming from Gbelt, less traffic and a bit cooler than the jeeps.

Is EDSA Entertainment plaza still open in Manila. I heard it burned down is this true. I will be returning soon and curious to visit it if its still open.

[QUOTE=BadSanta;2897946]FYI. Makati-Divisoria is 2 train raids if you're coming from Gbelt, less traffic and a bit cooler than the jeeps.[/QUOTE]I was staying in a pretty high end place called Valero Grand Suites in Makati.

I asked the concierge and reception desk staff how to get to Divisoria street market by train, because my companion wanted to go shopping there. None of them had a clue. So we ended up taking the Jeepneys.

Lets face it guys, Phils is not know for producing rocket scientists.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2898006]I was staying in a pretty high end place called Valero Grand Suites in Makati.

I asked the concierge and reception desk staff how to get to Divisoria street market by train, because my companion wanted to go shopping there. None of them had a clue. So we ended up taking the Jeepneys.

Lets face it guys, Phils is not know for producing rocket scientists.[/QUOTE]From GBelt, probably 2 trains:

#1: The MRT, southwest, from the nearby Buendia station. Get off at the Taft station.

#2: Take the LRT, north, from the Taft station to the Divisoria area.

Someone else check that.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2898020]From GBelt, probably 2 trains:

#1: The MRT, southwest, from the nearby Buendia station. Get off at the Taft station.

#2: Take the LRT, north, from the Taft station to the Divisoria area.

Someone else check that.[/QUOTE]WC1 -.

It's likely you'll be closer to Ayala Station than Buendia Station if you're staying around Gbelt. Personally, I prefer Ayala Station, not just for the convenience, but also for the enjoyable walk. Passing through the malls allows me to window-shop and provides a welcome cool-down from the Philippine heat.

LRT. Taft - Recto station (walk 15 minutes or take a trike) and your there in Divisoria.

I took a friend out to Dvisoria (DV) and, surprisingly, he had a ball. Each time we talk about our trip to DV he couldn't wipe out that grin of his gringo face.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;2897996]Is EDSA Entertainment plaza still open in Manila. I heard it burned down is this true. I will be returning soon and curious to visit it if its still open.[/QUOTE]You will have to find other establishments, Mr. Long.

[QUOTE=BadSanta;2898112]WC1 -.

It's likely you'll be closer to Ayala Station than Buendia Station if you're staying around Gbelt. Personally, I prefer Ayala Station, not just for the convenience, but also for the enjoyable walk. Passing through the malls allows me to window-shop and provides a welcome cool-down from the Philippine heat.

LRT. Taft - Recto station (walk 15 minutes or take a trike) and your there in Divisoria.

I took a friend out to Dvisoria (DV) and, surprisingly, he had a ball. Each time we talk about our trip to DV he couldn't wipe out that grin of his gringo face.[/QUOTE]Mea culpa. GOOD Santa!

[QUOTE=Transporter;2827717]Exclusively, been my go to method for the last 9 years.[/QUOTE]Hi mate clear your inbox please it s full. I can't reply to you.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2898006]I was staying in a pretty high end place called Valero Grand Suites in Makati.

I asked the concierge and reception desk staff how to get to Divisoria street market by train, because my companion wanted to go shopping there. None of them had a clue. So we ended up taking the Jeepneys.

Lets face it guys, Phils is not know for producing rocket scientists.[/QUOTE]Just be aware that taking the public transit trains in Manila isn't like taking similar metros in Japan, Singapore, Europe, etc. It can make Tokyo at rush hour look positively roomy by comparison: Long lines often JUST TO GET IN to the station, long line to get a ticket, long line to get through the turnstile, the area after the turnstile chock a block with people waiting to get downstairs to the platform. Of course the train will be cattle car packed. Often (or mostly) the trains don't have air conditioning. Keep track of your pockets and your valuables! Also, be aware that when you transfer from MRT to LRT at Taft that it's not the seamless process that most other places have. You will go completely out of the turnstiles and out of the MRT Taft station, walk up and down stairs fighting crowds all the way. Then for the LRT you will start the process again of getting in the station, getting a new ticket, going through turnstiles again, etc. Maybe some will want to try it once just for the adventure. But for repeat visits I think you'll end up agreeing that you might as well pay a bit more for a taxi.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;2897996]Is EDSA Entertainment plaza still open in Manila. I heard it burned down is this true. I will be returning soon and curious to visit it if its still open.[/QUOTE]Like many things, it didn't survive the plandemic and the catastrophic (especially in the Phils) overreaction thereof. Really, it was on its last legs even before that. Modern times and new ways of working 'the profession' were already taking their toll. The Chinese cooties were just a kind of mercy killing. When passing by the area last year, the space appears to live on as a combination motorbike parking garage and office / classrooms on the upper floor.

Hi Guys,

I am heading to Manilla but have the wife with me, I was considering a massage place but my past experiances, I prefer a girl to the apartment / hotel.

I was hoping some of you could help with some questions, wife wants more shopping, so I was looking at the MOA area and on airbnb found some good apartments, one of two suggest registration is needed, are tehse not girl friendly and therefore look at others? Are their any reasnably priced hotels in the area?

Secondly with inviting girls from pinalove etc, is it eash enougth to get a girl for a few hours in the afternoon?

Is it better to get an apartment or a hotel in Manilla?

[QUOTE=SamSam2;2898227]Hi Guys,

I am heading to Manilla but have the wife with me, I was considering a massage place but my past experiances, I prefer a girl to the apartment / hotel.

I was hoping some of you could help with some questions, wife wants more shopping, so I was looking at the MOA area and on airbnb found some good apartments, one of two suggest registration is needed, are tehse not girl friendly and therefore look at others? Are their any reasnably priced hotels in the area?

Secondly with inviting girls from pinalove etc, is it eash enougth to get a girl for a few hours in the afternoon?

Is it better to get an apartment or a hotel in Manilla?[/QUOTE]Mall of Asia (MOA) has everything under the sun, but be warned, it gets crazy crowded. I don't know much about airbnb // hotel scene.

OR.

Greenbelt and Glorietta are fancy, connected malls with all the high-end stores, and the best part -- They're mostly indoors, so no melting in the PI heat. Not so pricey AirBnBs (studios around $35-$50 a night), but they might require a few days' stay.

My suggestion. Take her to Greenbelt then Go to P. Burgos. P. Burgos has hotels catering to specific interests, it's a 10-15 minute taxi ride from Greenbelt (depending on traffic).

[QUOTE=SamSam2;2898227]Secondly with inviting girls from pinalove etc, is it eash enougth to get a girl for a few hours in the afternoon?

Is it better to get an apartment or a hotel in Manilla?[/QUOTE]Getting girls online is extremely easy. Numbers are a little lower midday but it's still very possible.

The problem will be meeting at an agreed time. Pina attitudes and Manila transport conspire to have the girls arrive late most of the time. Most mongers would regard 30 minutes to 2 hours late as nothing unusual. This could pose problems for you if you have a set time window that wifie will be out shopping.

Things to do to improve your chances of success:

Stay in an area with lots of girls or that is very easy for them to get to eg Central Makati.

Reduce your search radius to 5 or 10 miles. You don't have the time for girls to travel across town.

Be prepared to pay top dollar. The more restrictions and conditions that you have, the more incentives you have to give.

I'm not too sure how flexible you are on time. Getting away in the evening 'for drinks with the boys' would be much easier: grab a girl from Burgos and straight to a ST Hotel 3 minutes later.

Enjoy. G.

I decided against a two-day fun stopover in Manila mostly because I got scared reading reports on prices. 8 K to 10 K Pesos for Short Time seems excessive. I remember Angeles being half price but there is not much else to do there and at my age, I can only have so much fun in one day. I'm wondering if Cebu might be a good choice for 2 or 3 days. Are there many options there and can someone please provide prices? Thanks.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2898518]I decided against a two-day fun stopover in Manila mostly because I got scared reading reports on prices. 8 K to 10 K Pesos for Short Time seems excessive. I remember Angeles being half price but there is not much else to do there and at my age, I can only have so much fun in one day. I'm wondering if Cebu might be a good choice for 2 or 3 days. Are there many options there and can someone please provide prices? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Depends on what sort of 2-3 days you want to spend. More to do and better restaurants, bars etc. In Manila. More upscale than Cebu. But you're correct prices much higher. I stayed by Greenbelt in Makati and used PL for my girls. Definitely found the P2 P scene on Burgos a turnoff.

Cebu City is dirt poor and not a lot of restaurants, bars etc. However, prices for girls are much lower. Problem with Cebu is the girls find it hard to travel to your hotel because it's fucking difficult to get around or they live on outskirts of town. Also, many have day jobs or school so are available only select hours. I stayed by Ayala Mall for 2 days so at least there is stuff to do (restaurants, bars) and then went to Sheraton Mactan for beach 2 days. Besides a few hookers in mall area at Ayala in CC you'll need to rely on online game. I found DIA to be better than PL in CC.

If I had 2-3 days in one location or the other, I'd choose CC over Manila. Plan ahead like maybe 2-3 weeks before and get DIA and PL.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2898518]I decided against a two-day fun stopover in Manila mostly because I got scared reading reports on prices. 8 K to 10 K Pesos for Short Time seems excessive. I remember Angeles being half price but there is not much else to do there and at my age, I can only have so much fun in one day. I'm wondering if Cebu might be a good choice for 2 or 3 days. Are there many options there and can someone please provide prices? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Cebu used be very cheap to get online girls. I have good memories. For my next trip I have three prospects. Young and pretty. They are asking 3000 overnight which I agreed to pay. Just because everything is agreed does not mean everything will go through smoothly. I have back up of old contacts also who also sometimes sent girls my way. I have never ever gone to any of the girlie bars on Mango avenue or anywhere. So do not know the situation there. I am surprised you have no luck in Manila. I have no problem getting online girls for 4000 overnight. Some are real pretty. Also Manila had L A cafe whatever the name they use. They also charge 3000 to 4000.

If you have never been to cebu it is worth to go. Do not just go there if you think it is cheaper. You have to have a game to attract online girls.

[QUOTE=SamSam2;2898227]Hi Guys,

I am heading to Manilla but have the wife with me, I was considering a massage place but my past experiances, I prefer a girl to the apartment / hotel.

I was hoping some of you could help with some questions, wife wants more shopping, so I was looking at the MOA area and on airbnb found some good apartments, one of two suggest registration is needed, are tehse not girl friendly and therefore look at others? Are their any reasnably priced hotels in the area?

Secondly with inviting girls from pinalove etc, is it eash enougth to get a girl for a few hours in the afternoon?

Is it better to get an apartment or a hotel in Manilla?[/QUOTE]You should be able to lose the wife for days at divisoria.

Just use sogo and the like, its cheap and convenient.

Online fishing is no problem as long as you understand and account for filipina time, and no shows.

PM me and I will share some ideas.

[QUOTE=SamSam2;2898227]Hi Guys,

I am heading to Manilla but have the wife with me, I was considering a massage place but my past experiances, I prefer a girl to the apartment / hotel.

I was hoping some of you could help with some questions, wife wants more shopping, so I was looking at the MOA area and on airbnb found some good apartments, one of two suggest registration is needed, are tehse not girl friendly and therefore look at others? Are their any reasnably priced hotels in the area?

Secondly with inviting girls from pinalove etc, is it eash enougth to get a girl for a few hours in the afternoon?

Is it better to get an apartment or a hotel in Manilla?[/QUOTE]

I have stopped by a few times lately, always looks quiet.

[QUOTE=Drinky;2897479]Anyone been to GPoint bar on Padre Faura recently?

Back in the day it had good food and craft beer and some singers.

Freelancers were always available in the evening.[/QUOTE]

Sadly long gone.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;2897996]Is EDSA Entertainment plaza still open in Manila. I heard it burned down is this true. I will be returning soon and curious to visit it if its still open.[/QUOTE]

I will be in Manila for the next three days but my travel companion has had to bail on me for a family emergency. So if anyone fancies a beer or three at LA Café, send me a private message. You might even feature in my soon-to-be- posted diary on these very pages.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2898518]I decided against a two-day fun stopover in Manila mostly because I got scared reading reports on prices. 8 K to 10 K Pesos for Short Time seems excessive. I remember Angeles being half price but there is not much else to do there and at my age, I can only have so much fun in one day. I'm wondering if Cebu might be a good choice for 2 or 3 days. Are there many options there and can someone please provide prices? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed Cebu but its a different game than point and click bars. Large online selections and chance to meet real non pros. I exclusively fucked non pros and the max I paid was 2 K but I also had some nice freebies as well. Contact a girl online, meet at a coffee shop, proceed to room. I stayed near Ayala so it was a central meeting point.

[QUOTE=BrownRail;2898650]I have stopped by a few times lately, always looks quiet.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update, will try myself when I am there in late May. Can always wander over to LA Cafe if it is dead. L.

I'm pretty new to mongering and I was just wondering how do you guys get your GF and wife away for a couple days? I don't think I have too many options available to me since we are in LDR and we planned this trip for us. I was hoping she would need to go back to province for class for a couple days.

Pinay tends to be very clingy. Specially if you are a westerner. It's a jackpot for them.

Arrive couple days early and just pretend you arrived the day you are supposed to meet her. Sell a BS of flight arriving early in case you want to avoid extra trip to the airport to pick her up. Stay at a different hotel compared to the one you are planning to stay with her. I also pretend to leave Philippines to go to a different country then pretend to come back. All depends on where she is coming from and how badly she needs to go home to visit her family or class. Rest assured, she would not let you stay in Manila alone while goes to province to attend class unless she is after something else rather than love.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2899695]I'm pretty new to mongering and I was just wondering how do you guys get your GF and wife away for a couple days? I don't think I have too many options available to me since we are in LDR and we planned this trip for us. I was hoping she would need to go back to province for class for a couple days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2899695]I'm pretty new to mongering and I was just wondering how do you guys get your GF and wife away for a couple days? I don't think I have too many options available to me since we are in LDR and we planned this trip for us. I was hoping she would need to go back to province for class for a couple days.[/QUOTE]If she is in the Philippines and is going to meet you in the city, just arrive a day before you tell her you will be there. Do the same when you leave to go home. That always worked for me.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2899695]I'm pretty new to mongering and I was just wondering how do you guys get your GF and wife away for a couple days? I don't think I have too many options available to me since we are in LDR and we planned this trip for us. I was hoping she would need to go back to province for class for a couple days.[/QUOTE]No offence but I've yet to see any benefits from having a Filipina LDR. Much easier to just turn up and do as you please. It's not as if we need to keep someone on retainer in case no one else is available.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2899774]Pinay tends to be very clingy. Specially if you are a westerner. It's a jackpot for them.

Arrive couple days early and just pretend you arrived the day you are supposed to meet her. Sell a BS of flight arriving early in case you want to avoid extra trip to the airport to pick her up. Stay at a different hotel compared to the one you are planning to stay with her. I also pretend to leave Philippines to go to a different country then pretend to come back. All depends on where she is coming from and how badly she needs to go home to visit her family or class. Rest assured, she would not let you stay in Manila alone while goes to province to attend class unless she is after something else rather than love.[/QUOTE]Seriously guys. What is the point of getting into a one sided LDR with an uneducated villager who you send money to when you are not there and who control you when you are there?! You are the man with the money. The Boss. Tell her to come when you want her to come and tell her to leave when you want her to leave. What's the worst that can happen? She gets mad? So what? 150 million more of her where she came from. I am seriously amazed and saddened by the emasculation of western men.

When it comes to getting dates so you guys find it easier in Cebu or Manila? And when mongerers say "go to the provinces" where exactly are they talking about in these provinces?

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2899860]Seriously guys. What is the point of getting into a one sided LDR with an uneducated villager who you send money to when you are not there and who control you when you are there?! You are the man with the money. The Boss. Tell her to come when you want her to come and tell her to leave when you want her to leave. What's the worst that can happen? She gets mad? So what? 150 million more of her where she came from. I am seriously amazed and saddened by the emasculation of western men.[/QUOTE]I think there are a lot of different reasons a man may choose to be in an LDR. Choosing to be in one so you can fuck a lady is a stupid reason. Only an idiot would do that, given the open availability of women. But maybe he is in love. There are two women in the world that I care about, and both are in the Philippines. One is my wife, and the other is my partner and having my baby soon. I send my wife money every month, and my partner has her own income and asks for nothing but my time.

My advice is to think why you want to give up time with your GF to see another woman, especially if you don't get to see her often. Monger when you get back home, or go to Thailand or another place for action after you leave her in Philippines. And, I know this is a mongering forum and not a relationship forum, but I'll say this anyway. If you care about the girl and she has to go to the province for a couple of days, go with her. That should go without saying. And, if she doesn't want you to meet her family or something, that's a red flag right there.

Dating sites and social media is your friend when it comes finding girls unless you want to pickup a hooker then it's a different story. Lots of report here about working girl district f Makati. Have a gander and you will have a diploma in no time.

Province refers here and amongst Philippinos as country side. Small cities and practically far away from Manila, Angeles city and Cebu.

Should you pickup from social media or dating sites, embrace yourself to listen to heartbreaking sad stories and all will convert into "need immediate financial assistance". And if you by any chance already have sent them money, don't feel bad, we all did our fair share of that mistake and never again.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2899964]When it comes to getting dates so you guys find it easier in Cebu or Manila? And when mongerers say "go to the provinces" where exactly are they talking about in these provinces?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2899964]When it comes to getting dates so you guys find it easier in Cebu or Manila? And when mongerers say "go to the provinces" where exactly are they talking about in these provinces?[/QUOTE]Getting provincial girls does require more work. First and foremost is making sure girls will show after you send money for transportation. All girls on initial contact say they are willing to do anything you want. When it comes to nitty gritty they back off however they are not averse to receiving your money.

I have done all that. Have gotten many provincial girls very pretty and friendly. Have been duped as well few times.

How you get provincial girls is troll dating sites. Start conversation with the ones you like. Take your conversation to WhatsApp or the like. Discuss everything. If you are successful you will be in heaven. If you are not you will kick yourself in the butt. Key is to limit your loss if it fails.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2900146]Getting provincial girls does require more work. First and foremost is making sure girls will show after you send money for transportation. All girls on initial contact say they are willing to do anything you want. When it comes to nitty gritty they back off however they are not averse to receiving your money.

I have done all that. Have gotten many provincial girls very pretty and friendly. Have been duped as well few times.

How you get provincial girls is troll dating sites. Start conversation with the ones you like. Take your conversation to WhatsApp or the like. Discuss everything. If you are successful you will be in heaven. If you are not you will kick yourself in the butt. Key is to limit your loss if it fails.[/QUOTE]I always found the prettiest girls were in Mindanao. So one trip I took a flyer and invited a muslim girl (hijab and all) from Gen Santos to come meet me in Manila. I just booked a ticket in her name for less than $100 but never sent her any money. She did show up as promised and her hijab (and rest of her clothes) were off in the first 30 min of arrival to my hotel. But I didn't know what to do with her later. She didn't drink, or want to go to bars with me. Apart from fucking I didn't know what to do with her in the hotel room. Eventually I left her alone for a while to go to LA Cafe which she want thrilled about. So long story short, once they come you are kinda stuck with them, they will get clingy and eventually you realize you pay women to leave.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2900146]Getting provincial girls does require more work. First and foremost is making sure girls will show after you send money for transportation. All girls on initial contact say they are willing to do anything you want. When it comes to nitty gritty they back off however they are not averse to receiving your money.

I have done all that. Have gotten many provincial girls very pretty and friendly. Have been duped as well few times.

How you get provincial girls is troll dating sites. Start conversation with the ones you like. Take your conversation to WhatsApp or the like. Discuss everything. If you are successful you will be in heaven. If you are not you will kick yourself in the butt. Key is to limit your loss if it fails.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2900013]Dating sites and social media is your friend when it comes finding girls unless you want to pickup a hooker then it's a different story. Lots of report here about working girl district f Makati. Have a gander and you will have a diploma in no time.

Province refers here and amongst Philippinos as country side. Small cities and practically far away from Manila, Angeles city and Cebu.

Should you pickup from social media or dating sites, embrace yourself to listen to heartbreaking sad stories and all will convert into "need immediate financial assistance". And if you by any chance already have sent them money, don't feel bad, we all did our fair share of that mistake and never again.[/QUOTE]Wow this is all great information. Thanks so much! And yes, I have been duped in the past but not by a lot and I was able to cut my losses. I've blocked those girls but I'm thinking about reestablishing contact now since I have a bit more experience and dealt with more of these pinays. Maybe they will be down to do something if they're desperate enough.

Do you guys ever get worried that you will be seen by someone you know over these dating sites? I've recently saw one of my gfs best friends on PL's recently active list and I nearly had a heart attack and blocked her. I really do like my GF and see something in the long run with her but I still want to fcuk and get it out of my system before I commit fully or ask her to be my wife. Maybe that's naive, I'll guess I'll find out for myself.

And did you guys ever end up with provincial girls who's family was strict and doesn't allow the girl to meet up with anyone?

Thinking of trying a new route to market and hunting Pinalove, Wechat, social media sites.

Thinking close to a major mall is best.

Would experienced BM suggest Robinson's? MOA? Which?

From reading the FF Greenbelt seems too upmarket and fishing there is not recommended.

Thoughts or opinions please.

NI.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2900146]Getting provincial girls does require more work. First and foremost is making sure girls will show after you send money for transportation. All girls on initial contact say they are willing to do anything you want. When it comes to nitty gritty they back off however they are not averse to receiving your money.

I have done all that. Have gotten many provincial girls very pretty and friendly. Have been duped as well few times.

How you get provincial girls is troll dating sites. Start conversation with the ones you like. Take your conversation to WhatsApp or the like. Discuss everything. If you are successful you will be in heaven. If you are not you will kick yourself in the butt. Key is to limit your loss if it fails.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2900013] Province refers here and amongst Philippinos as country side. Small cities and practically far away from Manila, Angeles city and Cebu.

Should you pickup from social media or dating sites, embrace yourself to listen to heartbreaking sad stories and all will convert into "need immediate financial assistance". And if you by any chance already have sent them money, don't feel bad, we all did our fair share of that mistake and never again.[/QUOTE]Wow thanks for all the help this is great info! For the men with gfs or wives do you ever get paranoid that you'll be seen on these sites? I saw my GF's friend on PL recently active and luckily I was able to block her in time.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2900235]Thinking of trying a new route to market and hunting Pinalove, Wechat, social media sites.

Thinking close to a major mall is best.

Would experienced BM suggest Robinson's? MOA? Which?

From reading the FF Greenbelt seems too upmarket and fishing there is not recommended.

Thoughts or opinions please.

NI.[/QUOTE]I always stay in Malate near Robinsons. I find MOA crowded, large and expensive and difficult to get a ride to leave.

I have found Tan Tant to have the most responses. Pina love has been a bit of a desert for me lately. The ones you can get you don't want and the ones you want don't reply.

Decided to repeat a girl last night that I met on Tan Tan. 22, slim medium height, about a 7 for looks. Painfully shy. First time we met she didn't want me to see her naked. This time still shy but more relaxed. Started with DATY which at first had resistance but after a couple of minutes was spread wide and grinding her pussy in my face. Once she was wet and primed slid inside her. She has a warm wet pussy that fits like a glove. Says she has had only 3 boyfriends. For all the shyness she works her pussy around my cock, squeezing her pussy and grinding against me while I play with her clit. Finally she started to come which of course set me off and had to pull out as she didn't want CIP. Repeated after a couple of hours but this time I couldn't cum. She had to leave early. Each morning I have been horny with no action so At 5 am I woke he up and slipped inside. This time she came and then I really hammered her for about 5 minutes until I came. She left happy with 4 k which together with the other 4 k from 2 nights ago is on the way to buy herself a phone after having to borrow her cousins. Hopefully after another couple of visits the shyness will disappear and I will get a photo to show.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2900255]Wow thanks for all the help this is great info! For the men with gfs or wives do you ever get paranoid that you'll be seen on these sites? I saw my GF's friend on PL recently active and luckily I was able to block her in time.[/QUOTE]You have received good info so I won't repeat it all but will make some additions and clarifications:

You're GF already knows what you are doing. She may be pretending otherwise but she knows. Most Asian countries have social groups far far larger than we are use to in the west and they thrive off gossip. The end result is that you will be noticed by a friend of a friend somewhere and word will get back. If you are doing something that embassies her, then all hell breaks loose. If not, then it's noted but not complained about. It's a given that guys, especially cashed up white BFs, are going to cheat so as long as she is not harmed by your roving then who cares?? Just play along.

I have known guys that have been fucking their younger sister in law, the nanny or a GF in the next town and honestly thought the GF didn't know. Obviously, they were only kidding themselves.

I regard provincial as a state of mind rather than a city's population. Girls in Cebu and metro Manila are more hardened, experienced with westerners and happier to drop around at a moment's notice. Girls outside of these often aren't and have a much more traditional outlook. They aren't difficult to woo but will likely take a date / chat or two more than asking how much for a ST.

Stay away from provincial families. You do not want to go home and meet mom, dad, grandma and all the uncles. At best, it soaks up a lot of time that could be spent fucking your new found love. At worst, you are going to be paying for endless meals for 20, medical bills, excursions to water falls etc. Just meet her. Maybe we the a security blanket friend on the first date but that's it.

EA is correct: many Mindanao girls are gorgeous and girls generally can get too much if kept all day, evey day. The answer is to factor in breaks by selecting girls who have commitments during the day or night or change them out as required.

Note that girls from different areas have very different body types so you can select as required. Mindanao girls are often tall with nice cans, Leyte and Samar girls are 80 lb spinners etc.

Malls can be used as either a hunting ground or just as a convenient meeting place. Be careful soliciting in high end malls. That can get very ugly very quickly. Do not walk around Greenbelt offering $25 blow jobs. The malls near Greenbelt can be fair game though, especially as meeting places if she doesn't want to go straight to the room.

Pre work and bookings works well for Sammon but I'm not a fan of it. Personally, I prefer to be in town and ask about meeting after work or school rather than next month. To each their own. Try both and report what works for you.

Enjoy. G.

I have had good outcomes form PinaLove and Cupid. Can't say the same for WeChat. Also, Tinder was decent but you do need to filter out those Bakla.

Robinson and MOA has good traffic if FL. Greenbelt literally seemed segregated by fugly maids on their days off.

If in BGC, checkout Market Market, met some decent looking non-pro looking to make extra bucks.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2900235]Thinking of trying a new route to market and hunting Pinalove, Wechat, social media sites.

Thinking close to a major mall is best.

Would experienced BM suggest Robinson's? MOA? Which?

From reading the FF Greenbelt seems too upmarket and fishing there is not recommended.

Thoughts or opinions please.

NI.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2900184]Wow this is all great information. Thanks so much! And yes, I have been duped in the past but not by a lot and I was able to cut my losses. I've blocked those girls but I'm thinking about reestablishing contact now since I have a bit more experience and dealt with more of these pinays. Maybe they will be down to do something if they're desperate enough.

Do you guys ever get worried that you will be seen by someone you know over these dating sites? I've recently saw one of my gfs best friends on PL's recently active list and I nearly had a heart attack and blocked her. I really do like my GF and see something in the long run with her but I still want to fcuk and get it out of my system before I commit fully or ask her to be my wife. Maybe that's naive, I'll guess I'll find out for myself.

And did you guys ever end up with provincial girls who's family was strict and doesn't allow the girl to meet up with anyone?[/QUOTE]I never used my real picture on a dating site. I found a picture of a person who looked very similar to me and used that picture. If I wanted to meet the girl or talk further, I would then send my real picture. I never used my real name, either. It is just good policy unless you're actually looking for a relationship.

As for province girls in the province, it is ymmv. If you're there, her family is surely nearby and you will get roped into doing all kinds of things with or for them. It is good if you're looking for something serious. Not so good if you just want to fuck around.

Don't overthink and don't get paranoid. Read the forum and listen to G. I'm not a pro when it comes to mongering in Philippines yet I have had pretty decent luck. Your dollars and country of origin is their biggest hope. Don't forget, Pinay can put up an Oscar winning performance.

On my last trip, my spinner set me up with her cousin, cousin had told me flat out, she would not have sex until next day or two without knowing me she arrived at my airbnb at 3, I had my first round done by 4:30 I'm planning on meeting her sister on my upcoming trip between my allocated time of meeting my Manila nanny and my Davao busty (thanks to G).

It's a hunting ground, just go with the flow but avoid meeting families at any cost. Be firm and say, you will meet them on your next trip as you would like to meet her and know her more this trip. If she argues, you know exactly what she wants and decide form there.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2900255]Wow thanks for all the help this is great info! For the men with gfs or wives do you ever get paranoid that you'll be seen on these sites? I saw my GF's friend on PL recently active and luckily I was able to block her in time.[/QUOTE]

I'm coming to Manila after many years. Could someone please confirm that Starfleet is still operating? I've read that Air Force One is gone.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2900379]Don't overthink and don't get paranoid. Read the forum and listen to G. I'm not a pro when it comes to mongering in Philippines yet I have had pretty decent luck. Your dollars and country of origin is their biggest hope. Don't forget, Pinay can put up an Oscar winning performance.

On my last trip, my spinner set me up with her cousin, cousin had told me flat out, she would not have sex until next day or two without knowing me she arrived at my airbnb at 3, I had my first round done by 4:30 I'm planning on meeting her sister on my upcoming trip between my allocated time of meeting my Manila nanny and my Davao busty (thanks to G).

It's a hunting ground, just go with the flow but avoid meeting families at any cost. Be firm and say, you will meet them on your next trip as you would like to meet her and know her more this trip. If she argues, you know exactly what she wants and decide form there.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Can you elaborate on how did you end up sleeping with the first one and then having her refer her cousin and then eventually you'll be sleeping with her sister too? Why are these girls giving you their family members to bang?

I love to have a BJ in a bar, while watching other guys being serviced. Alternatively, even better, I love to be massaged and played with while hearing the others who are massaged bonking (which requires a massage parlor with flimsy curtains.

Does anyone have any recommendations for this BJ bar or madsage parlor in Manila?

(Yes, I read the forum! Thanks so much!

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2900534]Interesting. Can you elaborate on how did you end up sleeping with the first one and then having her refer her cousin and then eventually you'll be sleeping with her sister too? Why are these girls giving you their family members to bang?[/QUOTE]We call it the "Friends and Family Plan". Never know in Phils who will offer whom up as your next early Christmas gift. Current girl, taxi drivers, the tita of your current girl, the neighbor of your current girl. . .

Just like westcoast said, one you open an account, you can always do transactions. Don't get the impression they are hanging me the entire family on a platter.

First was my spinner, no sting attached and she likes it that way and she has BF. Then I saw her cousins pic and told her about my interests, then cousin came in to the picture and you know the rest. While cousin was trying to work me on getting hitched and wanted to meet the family, I asked her to show me her entire family picture and that's where I saw her sister. And before you ask, no I didn't entertain meet the family dinner. Back to the sister, I told my spinner that I want her cousins sister or the younger cousin and she made the arrangements. Now I just got to fly down to the province and shag her. Just an FYI, I will still have some decent time with my spinner and her older cousin too. Ice has been broken / melted already and for 3 k cash and decent time for couple days, why not. She would rather spend time with me and enjoy instead of being home staring at fb while plugged into the charger.

Game plan is to find one that is willing to go for no strings attached term and let her do the work for you. Don't forget to keep her happy but that doesn't mean send monthly allowance. Only thing I do for my spinner is send her 2/3 k once a year for her birthday so that she can get wasted and remember daddy. Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2900534]Interesting. Can you elaborate on how did you end up sleeping with the first one and then having her refer her cousin and then eventually you'll be sleeping with her sister too? Why are these girls giving you their family members to bang?[/QUOTE]

Forgot to mention the Taboo part.

My Davao girl told me, her ex was dating her cousin.

My Manila nanny's biological father is actually her uncle in relation because her mom was married her biological father's brother. When he passed away and her mom and father were drunk, she happened in the process.

My buddy fucked his cousins wife and I'm trying to tap that ass for a while but the husband is always home visiting family whenever I get done there but keeping my fingers crossed for this time. Heard she just found out she is pregnant. Was never on my list to fuck a prego but only time will tell. I might just wait until baby pops out.

Truth to be told, anything and everything can happen in Philippines including fucking my spinners lesbian cousin. Good times.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2900534]Interesting. Can you elaborate on how did you end up sleeping with the first one and then having her refer her cousin and then eventually you'll be sleeping with her sister too? Why are these girls giving you their family members to bang?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrownRail;2898647]PM me and I will share some ideas.[/QUOTE]Thanks sent a PM.

I was playing around on Smoochi and some of the other escort sites and I noted many try to suggest 7 k-9 k being the average. Reading below it seems 4 k is the average in a bar or in town. Whats the best route with limited time in the afternoon.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2900635]Ice has been broken / melted already and for 3 k cash and decent time for couple days, why not. She would rather spend time with me and enjoy instead of being home staring at fb while plugged into the charger.

Game plan is to find one that is willing to go for no strings attached term and let her do the work for you. Don't forget to keep her happy but that doesn't mean send monthly allowance. Only thing I do for my spinner is send her 2/3 k once a year for her birthday so that she can get wasted and remember daddy. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]Zippo is spot on here. Most of the girls and their families are dirt poor and have absolutely nothing to do all day, every day. A white knight appearing and dropping 10 or 20 k over a week or two is like winning lottery for them. They are more than happy to rope in extended family members to ensure it continues to rain locally.

Again, correct. I've always been amazed by guys who feel the need to make up bullshit stories to find a girl. Firstly the girls have heard all the stories before and know instinctively when they are being lied to. Secondly, they don't care. Only in town for two days? Got a wife at home? Want to fuck her while singing the national anthem and balancing plates on your head? Who cares??

Enjoy. G.

Anyone done a quick trip to Batangas beaches. Looking for an alternative to Peurto Galera.

Goferring kindly suggested Anilao which looks nice but prob purely BYO.

Looking for something with more quantity.

Laiya looks nice but once again seems to be BYO. Thought about staying in Batangas and doing day trips but 2 HR trip there and 2 back doesn't impress me.

Any intel appreciated or anyone stayed in beaches around Batangas?

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2900847]Anyone done a quick trip to Batangas beaches. Looking for an alternative to Peurto Galera.

Goferring kindly suggested Anilao which looks nice but prob purely BYO.

Looking for something with more quantity.

Laiya looks nice but once again seems to be BYO. Thought about staying in Batangas and doing day trips but 2 HR trip there and 2 back doesn't impress me.

Any intel appreciated or anyone stayed in beaches around Batangas?

NI.[/QUOTE]Yes, the whole area is BYO. Certainly not point and shoot.

It's actually easier to get a Batangas girl to meet you in Manila than it is for a new arrival to find a girl locally.

Best options are to BYO from Manila or contact one of the numerous Sabang girls who live there. They do the commute pretty regularly so call and see if who wants to meet when she's home visiting family, kids etc. Either way you need time or contacts. Don't just arrived expecting instant hookups.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2900955]Yes, the whole area is BYO. Certainly not point and shoot.
It's actually easier to get a Batangas girl to meet you in Manila than it is for a new arrival to find a girl locally.
Best options are to BYO from Manila or contact one of the numerous Sabang girls who live there. They do the commute pretty regularly so call and see if who wants to meet when she's home visiting family, kids etc. Either way you need time or contacts. Don't just arrived expecting instant hookups.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Ok next option.

NI.

After 2 orgasms she was too wet and slippery for me to cum, so went in via the back door for a nice anal creampie.

I met this smoking chick online that lives in Mindanao and we are talking about flying her over to Manila when I get there. Initially she said "Can I bring my gay friend so my mom will let me".

What? I said no absolutely not. And then immediately she said she can come by herself. We kept talking and the next day she asked for load. I was thinking is it a good idea to fly her out? As much as I want to bang I don't want to be annoyed for 2-3 days because I'm going to be stuck with her. I've dealt with a couple spinners in the past that I was going to sleep with but I got so annoyed with their constants berates for money that I blocked them (I realized I should've been more patient and slept with them tho).

The thing is I like GFE and if the girl is annoying me with her constant requests for money then it's hard for me to get into that mood. What's your threshold?

Basically I'm asking is a girl that asks for money a girl you don't want to spend multiple days with? My GF never asked for money and she's so pleasant that's why she's my main.

[QUOTE=Evinmors;2900578]I love to have a BJ in a bar, while watching other guys being serviced. Alternatively, even better, I love to be massaged and played with while hearing the others who are massaged bonking (which requires a massage parlor with flimsy curtains.

Does anyone have any recommendations for this BJ bar or madsage parlor in Manila?

(Yes, I read the forum! Thanks so much![/QUOTE]Really, no place like this?

[QUOTE=Evinmors;2900578]I love to have a BJ in a bar, while watching other guys being serviced. Alternatively, even better, I love to be massaged and played with while hearing the others who are massaged bonking (which requires a massage parlor with flimsy curtains.

Does anyone have any recommendations for this BJ bar or madsage parlor in Manila?

(Yes, I read the forum! Thanks so much![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Evinmors;2901334]Really, no place like this?[/QUOTE]I'm sure it exists, the massage place. But its hit / miss in that you show up for a massage at the exact same time that the cubicle next to you is even occupied, much less that the gent is getting some nawty on at the same time that you do. Sad face.

Several current gogo bars on Burgos have separate privado areas that you can utilize on the premise (for a fee), including Marquee and upstairs at Lollipop. Other gents have mentioned other bars. I can not tell you if others will be in there at the same time, nor can I tell you that you will be somewhat visible from the main customer area, or vice versa. I miss the pre-covid days at the old Dimples location, which had a separate private area next to the CR, with several couches. Just walking thru it to get to the CR you might find as many as 3 gents getting serviced at once in the poorly-lit area. Good times!

As you seem a pruriently-oriented fella, enjoy my easily sub-35 kg twiglet of more than a decade. The things I go through.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2901560]I'm sure it exists, the massage place. But its hit / miss in that you show up for a massage at the exact same time that the cubicle next to you is even occupied, much less that the gent is getting some nawty on at the same time that you do. Sad face.

Several current gogo bars on Burgos have separate privado areas that you can utilize on the premise (for a fee), including Marquee and upstairs at Lollipop. Other gents have mentioned other bars. I can not tell you if others will be in there at the same time, nor can I tell you that you will be somewhat visible from the main customer area, or vice versa. I miss the pre-covid days at the old Dimples location, which had a separate private area next to the CR, with several couches. Just walking thru it to get to the CR you might find as many as 3 gents getting serviced at once in the poorly-lit area. Good times!

As you seem a pruriently-oriented fella, enjoy my easily sub-35 kg twiglet of more than a decade. The things I go through.[/QUOTE]The closest I can recommend is the seedier bars in Subic. Rosie's jumps to mind. It's been a long time so locals can confirm or deny.

It wasn't something routinely on the menu. However, at the end of the day, girls are hungry and $50 is $50 so they will facilitate extra services in the bar but in a dark corner. Don't expect 10/10's.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2901300]Basically I'm asking is a girl that asks for money a girl you don't want to spend multiple days with? My GF never asked for money and she's so pleasant that's why she's my main.[/QUOTE]Are you looking for a relationship or a business arrangement? Hookers follow the Hells Angles philosophy. "Nobody rides for free".

If you know she provides epic sex then work out a daily payment.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2901296]I met this smoking chick online that lives in Mindanao and we are talking about flying her over to Manila when I get there. Initially she said "Can I bring my gay friend so my mom will let me".

What? I said no absolutely not. And then immediately she said she can come by herself. We kept talking and the next day she asked for load. I was thinking is it a good idea to fly her out? As much as I want to bang I don't want to be annoyed for 2-3 days because I'm going to be stuck with her. I've dealt with a couple spinners in the past that I was going to sleep with but I got so annoyed with their constants berates for money that I blocked them (I realized I should've been more patient and slept with them tho).

The thing is I like GFE and if the girl is annoying me with her constant requests for money then it's hard for me to get into that mood. What's your threshold?[/QUOTE]Where is Dear Abby when you really need her? Most girls need to eat. Never forget the need to eat is the reason you are so "handsome" along with your wallet. Without your wallet you are no body. Never forget Pinays are loyal and responsible to their families. Families need to eat. That is an extra reason why you are more "handsome" with your wallet.

TTT you are not so special that the above does not apply.

[QUOTE=TwentyTwoTwos;2901300]Basically I'm asking is a girl that asks for money a girl you don't want to spend multiple days with? My GF never asked for money and she's so pleasant that's why she's my main.[/QUOTE]I have spent (pun unintended) many multiple wonderful days with multiple girls that required money. Some of my worst multiple days are with girls not asking for money.

Your GF is getting fed and taken care of by you which is why she doesn't need to ask for any. Don't keep fooling yourself that she doesn't need money and that you are not paying for her.

This diary continues from the Pattaya thread.

My taxi arrived at 6. 30 am and took an hour to get to Suvanarbhumi airport from Pattaya. The flight took three hours and I touched down in Manila early afternoon. There are a series of taxi queues outside the airport but make sure you take the one for the yellow metered taxis. My driver was a cheerful chap who asked 'you like Filipina girl?' before we'd even reached Roxas Boulevard.

I'm staying at 1775 Adriatico Suites for the first time. It's a nice little hotel surrounding a pool in the Korean Town area. My room is excellent with a huge bed. Four children at the side of the pool waved to me when I opened my curtain. The room didn't have a safe but when I mentioned it to reception the lady said she'd arrange for one to be delivered to my room.

I asked her for directions to the nearest 7 Eleven and ominously after she told me she warned me 'be careful'! I stocked up on snacks and water for my room. I like the area I'm staying. I walked past a park in the middle of a roundabout that seems to be a place locals hang out and there are lots of nice restaurants.

I'm staying in Manila for three nights and I plan to visit LA Cafe each night. It's my favourite freelance joint in Asia and I've picked up some lovely girls from there in the past. It took 10 minutes to walk there from my hotel. Manila definitely has an edgy feel at night, with dark streets, armed guards outside hotels and homeless people sleeping on the pavements.

I arrived at 8 pm and got a stool at the circular bar below a wooden statue of a baseball player. The bar was busy at this hour but gets really packed closer to midnight. Most of the freelancers were game older girls in their 30's. One of them sat on the stool next to me asked me what my name was, while another cougar sat the other side stroking my arm. I was polite but made it pretty clear I wasn't interested, but they didn't take my hints. I silently cursed my friend Macca who was due to join me for this leg of the trip but bailed last minute. Having a wingman in LA Cafe means you can enjoy a great night and summon whichever girls you like to your table. Being a lonely lamb means you're a target for all the seasoned pros.

A few reasonably pretty younger girls walked past but overall I was underwhelmed with the talent. I took my beer upstairs where generally prettier girls hang out. At 9 pm a band started playing cover versions, including my request 'Come Together' by The Beatles. Filipino people certainly love to sing.

I managed to sit at a prime perving spot, facing the top of the stairs so you can see the girls when they arrive. By this point there were more girls, including three fairly attractive young ones positioned directly opposite, who smiled and blew kisses whenever I looked over. Another pretty girl walked past and flashed me a smile. This is more like it I thought. The pretty ones wait for you to approach them, it's the older ones who approach you. Three game girls sidled over. The ringleader was a classic Butterface, everything was super-sexy about her, but her face. She stroked my leg as we exchanged one-sided smalltalk.

I got chatting with a 20-something British guy caked Jules who was experiencing the bar for the first time. He went off to explore and came back to my table ten minutes later. 'I've just been talking to two girls. We're going downstairs where it's quiet' he said, before adding 'I think you should join us'. Intrigued I followed them downstairs and we turned left in to the quiet bar area.

The girls were pretty. The one Jules was talking to had an exotic mixed-race appearance, while Vanessa was a dark-skinned beauty. They claimed they were sisters but had no resemblance whatsoever. We chatted for 15 minutes before Vanessa asked me whether I was looking for a girl. I told her I was and she told me her price was 5000 'for two hours including massage', which I'm sure could be haggled down by at least 1000. She also said she was available for a threesome with her sister, which made me smile. I remember taking 'sisters' for a threesome from this very bar about ten years ago. They gossiped in Tagalog as they took it in turns sucking my dick.

I was interested in Vanessa but Jules decided to book a Grab to take him to a KTV joint, presumably with one or both of the girls, and I wasn't interested in leaving LA Cafe.

I went back in to the ground floor bar, or 'the bear-pit' as I like to call it, and ordered another San Miguel. As I stood waiting for it I spotted a pretty girl who beamed me a big grin, before turning to her friend and giggling. I walked over and said Hi. Her name was Arlene and she was very cute. She told me her friend had pointed to me stood at the bar and said I was 'so handsome, like Harry Potter' and at that exact moment I looked over, which is why they laughed. For the record, I look nothing like Harry Potter! I don't wear glasses for a start and I'm an adult.

She was a really lovely girl to talk to, so I offered her a drink. By now the time was 11 pm and the bar was heaving, with many more girls and far more eye candy. I made a note to return tomorrow night at a later time as that's when it seems to get really interesting. But for now I was delighted with my choice. She had a naturally pretty face even without makeup and a thin, petite frame. I asked her how much she charged and she surprised me by quoting 3000 for two hours. Deal.

They have a strange setup at LA Cafe where you get your own designated waitress and have to wait specifically for her to order more drinks or square your bill. As I was waiting I saw a familiar face. It was the lovely Vanessa who I took from here twice during my trip a year ago. She looked pretty as ever and had clearly had a boob-job too. We swapped glances and she didn't recognise me, not surprising given the number of men girls like her must meet. It's as if our stirring duet of Starship's 'If this world runs out of lovers, we'll still have each other' 12 months ago meant nothing to her.

It was only when I was walking Arlene hand-in-hand back to my hotel I realised how small she was. She handed her ID in to reception and she was a chatterbox in my room. We must have talked for about an hour before we eventually began kissing and our hands began roaming. The sex was great. When I was fucking her in mish she put her legs together, making her tight pussy even tighter. She told me she liked slow sex so that's what we did, in position after position, as she showered me with kisses.

A great girl to start my time in Philippines.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2901616]I asked her for directions to the nearest 7 Eleven and ominously after she told me she warned me 'be careful'! I stocked up on snacks and water for my room. I like the area I'm staying. I walked past a park in the middle of a roundabout that seems to be a place locals hang out and there are lots of nice restaurants.

Manila definitely has an edgy feel at night, with dark streets, armed guards outside hotels and homeless people sleeping on the pavements.[/QUOTE]'Gritty' might be a good word for the area. Welcome to Malate! The roundabout is probably the Remedios circle. I love the area, day and night. To highlight the covid changes, high-end Zzyxx bar is / was across the street to the northeast. High-end disco ExKlusive (sp) is / was half a block south on Adriatico. Across the street (Remedios St) to the west is / was a male gay gogo bar called King of the Night. And just across the street from KN was previously the now defunct Cowboy Grille Remedios (now a sports resto / bar). I say 'is / was', as I am not sure if these places survived.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2901616]It was only when I was walking Arlene hand-in-hand back to my hotel I realised how small she was. She handed her ID in to reception and she was a chatterbox in my room. We must have talked for about an hour before we eventually began kissing and our hands began roaming. The sex was great. When I was fucking her in mish she put her legs together, making her tight pussy even tighter. She told me she liked slow sex so that's what we did, in position after position, as she showered me with kisses.

A great girl to start my time in Philippines.[/QUOTE]Great report. Newbs take note of the detail.

Thanks for the detailed description! I'm doing the inverse itinerary in August: Angeles, 3 days Manila and then Pattaya. You have just made my plan to stay in Makati a bit fluid again. Malate back in the running!

I was woken at 7. 30 am by a knock on my door. It was a man delivering a safe to my room. I thanked him but wondered whether he could have waited until 9 pm perhaps. I managed to get back to sleep after he'd left and went for breakfast shortly before service stops at 10.30 am.

It was a gloomy, overcast Saturday afternoon. A young dance troupe were practising a routine in the circular park nearby and a buxom older woman propositioned me on the street next to it. 'You wan go with me sir?' she asked as I walked past.

I had a quick walk around Robinsons Mall. You see lots of pretty girls in places like this but I didn't get freelance vibes. A man started walking alongside me and tried the old security guard scam ('Hey, I'm guard at your hotel') It's the third time it's happened to me at this very mall and would culminate in me being led to a bar and charged for lady company I didn't request.

The clouds were threatening to open so I decided to have a few afternoon drinks in LA Cafe, which is open 24/7. I got a prime table facing the bar and got chatting with an American guy on the next table, who was good company. We talked about British rock bands and serial killers. There were probably 50 freelancers lingering around, mainly older chicks. There were a few nice younger girls though. One had a lovely body and was wearing a pretty floral red dress, another had a pink ribbon in her hair. Ironically 'I want to know what love is, I want you to show me' played.

I had a tasty meal at Cafe Adriatico and went back to LA Cafe at 9 pm, heading straight to the floor upstairs. A band was playing very shouty rock songs and it didn't take long for an attractive older woman to approach me with her friend. After a brief chat, difficult over the loud music, she asked 'you want two ladies?' I declined but she was persistent, pointing towards another lady and asking 'how about three ladies?

The area to the right at the top of the stairs is filled with Koreans sat at tables, with girls lining up around the walls waiting to be chosen. I stood around for a while and struck up a few conversations with pretty girls, but it was clear their attention was with the big-spenders. One of them had a westernised look about her and her tied up, another was wearing a lovely red dress.

I think the further you walk in to this side of the bar, the less likely the girls will want to talk to a westerner. The cut off point seems to be the life-size model of a cow which is an odd addition to the bar. Girls who linger in this area are still probably dreaming of a Korean customer but might entertain the thought of other nationalities. I saw a few candidates, including a big-boobed girl in a pink top and Vanessa, who I chatted with last night. She was wearing a top with a flame design on it. 'You look hot tonight' I said as a tumbleweed rolled past.

By now the time was 11 pm. I'd been struck last night how busy the bar downstairs was at this hour but it wasn't as crowded tonight and there were definitely slimmer pickings in terms of girls. I briefly chatted with the cute girl I went with last night but I wanted a different girl tonight.

For the first time ever, I was underwhelmed with LA Cafe. Despite it being Saturday night, it wasn't that crowded and the talent levels were lower than usual. Compare that to a year ago when there were lots of pretty girls and I got approached by one of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen. I suppose by their very nature freelance joints can be hit and miss.

After a few more unsuccessful circuits of the bar I decided it was decision time. I went upstairs and noticed that the big-boobed girl in pink was standing on her own. I remedied that and soon we were chatting. She was 25 years old and a nice girl, although call me shallow, I found myself too easily distracted by her tits. She wasn't the prettiest but I found myself getting hard just talking to her.

She quoted 5000 but accepted 3000 with the promise of a tip if she made me smile. We walked ten minutes back to my hotel, passing security guards outside hotels who gave me approving smiles for my choice of girl.

At her insistence we showered together. She'd promised me a massage in the bar so I got her to rub her big tits up and down my body, something I love but girls do surprisingly infrequently. Then she gave me an exceptional blowjob. She knew all the tricks so I could quite happily have let her finish me but I slipped a condom on and fucked her in a variety of positions. I enjoyed being rode by her and burying my face in to her prize assets. I usually go for small, petite girls but every now and then it's good to mix things up and go for a girl with curves. I took the condom off and let her suck me to an intense climax. She noticed when I was cumming and pulled her head away, laughing as I shot my load up my chest.

Even the bad nights at LA Cafe are pretty good.

Seems like you are right around the corner from me.

LaCafe I have stopped frequenting in a while (unless a guest rolls in for a stop and want to go). Those older ladies it won't hurt to make a few friends. They are there everyday, and know a lot of the girls. You can use them (for a small tip) to search out and bring you girls. Just tell them all your requirements (including ahem) and they will go out and talk / barter for you. They are usually very convincing and will bring you what you want eventually. It will work for upstairs also, but you will need to do some charity work first so that the good word can be passed around first (just be aware that a lot of them have been spoiled). If you can find something you like in the day / afternoon time it is easier and faster, as a lot of the girls there are pretending to go to work to their families. A lot of them are single mothers just trying to get enough to buy milk.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2901616]I'm staying at 1775 Adriatico Suites for the first time. It's a nice little hotel surrounding a pool in the Korean Town area.[/QUOTE]Straight across the lane from where I am staying at Bayview Mansion. I like the area, always stay in Malate. Bayview Mansion has large rooms offset by being further from Robinsons.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2901927]Straight across the lane from where I am staying at Bayview Mansion. I like the area, always stay in Malate. Bayview Mansion has large rooms offset by being further from Robinsons.[/QUOTE]I read a lot about this Robinsons, but frankly I failed to see what's the reason to go there? Apparently picking up girls there isn't that easy? Maybe I missed the point of Robinsons?

After breakfast I had intentions to use the afternoon productively, maybe visit Rizal Park or Intramuros, get some exercise with a stroll along Manila Bay or a have a swim at my hotel's pool, but none of that happened. I binge-watched a series on Netflix until 4 pm. After another nice meal at Cafe Adriatico and yet more Netflix it was time for another visit to LA Cafe.

It takes 10 minutes to walk there from my hotel. I'm staying in the Korean Town area and at 9 pm a lot of the KTVs have got pretty girls lined outside. There were three outside Club Neverland and when I walked past G-Dream an Asian man was deliberating over ten girls in elegant dresses stood in a line inside the entrance. A few were very pretty. I believe you pay a girl a set amount for their company at these places but there's no guarantee that the girl will be available for extras. Perhaps if you had good game you could get their number, or maybe even some of the KTVs have discreet areas where deals can be arranged. All I know is I have the worst singing voice on the planet, which would make any pretty girl run a mile!

Although these are Korean venues, I was repeatedly handed flyers and invited inside, so foreigners are welcome too. Perhaps they may may be worthy of investigation on my next trip. There were eight young girls lined up outside E-girlfriend, one of whom waved cheerfully at me. I walked past girls outside Royal 88, New Vogue, Zebra and Pink Lady and soon arrived at LA Cafe.

I got a prime seat upstairs facing the top of the stairs and it wasn't long before two cougars came over. One of them had frizzy hair with blond highlights and was so drunk she could barely string two words together.

For some reason there was no band tonight and no sport on TV either, and as it was a Sunday night there were less girls too. I've probably been to LA Cafe 30 times but for the first time ever I felt bored.

By 10 pm it was a different proposition. More girls began to appear and I even got a wave from a pretty girl I struck up a conversation with last night in the Korean section, who I didn't pursue as she seemed cold. Maybe I'd misread her? There was much more quality tonight. A girl wearing a denim jacket with light brown curly hair walked past, the best looker I've seen in my three nights here.

Two elderly Japanese men sat on the couch in front of the stage and there was a mass migration of girls from the Korean section, who all lined up in front of their potential suitors. It's such an odd (and demeaning) spectacle, watching the girls shooed off one by one.

A cute girl in torn jeans kept meeting my eye and smiling whenever I looked over. I've seen her on each of my visits and was tempted to take her back to my hotel but she was very similar to the girl I took on my first night in Manila and I fancied something different tonight.

Four Korean men sat at the table immediately behind me and the girls all rushed to line up in front of them. I'm a decent looking guy in good shape but they just stared through me. It gave me a chance to see some of them up close and generally the standard was lower than my previous trips. Two small girls who looked like sisters with identical bob haircuts were probably my favourites.

However two of the girls were staring straight at me, a nice looking fair-haired girl and her petite friend, who had dark skin and a big smile. I invited them to sit with me. Their names were Catherine and Mariella and they were good fun so I bought them a drink each. They skilfully moved the conversation down a more suggestive path and asked if I would like to take them both back to my hotel. I've had three threesomes from LA Cafe previously and more often than not you don't get the porn-style threesome you crave, with girls kissing each other or taking it in turns sucking you, you just simply fuck one girl after the other. Even so, I knew I wouldn't be able to resist. Back in England I've developed a taste for MMF threesomes. I've discovered that single females on the sexual encounter websites are outnumbered at least 10 to 1 by guys, so it's very difficult to find attractive women to fuck. But couples on the other hand are always on the hunt for reliable, relaxed single gents to join them. I fucked a sexy 22 year old Slovakian couple, a gorgeous 25 year old Mediterranean girl with her husband and another couple who looked like they were straight from the cover of Sports Illustrated, all porn-style threesomes with double penetration, spit-roasts etc. So on this trip I was keen to have a threesome but this time with two girls. And that opportunity had finally presented itself to me.

They asked for 4000 each but accepted 3000 and soon we were crammed in to a sidecar taking us back to my hotel. They both put masks on which made me think kissing would be off the menu.

Then followed an enjoyable session in which I got to fuck both of them, but it wasn't really a proper threesome. Catherine sucked my dick as Mariella let me suck her tiny tits, then I fucked Mariella as Catherine licked my chest and I groped her nice tits. When it was time to fuck Catherine I noticed she was pregnant. I hadn't noticed in the bar because she'd been wearing a loose-fitting top but she definitely had a bulge which we she was very protective of. I've never fucked a pregnant girl before and enjoyed sucking her big nipples. She finished me off with a blowjob and they were out of my room by midnight.

I've enjoyed my short stay in Manila, although LA Cafe wasn't up to its usual standards, with considerably less talent than my previous visits. Sometimes freelance joints can be hit and miss so I just think I was unlucky. But despite that I had fun and found some nice girls.

Tomorrow I head to Angeles.

[QUOTE=Evinmors;2902054]I read a lot about this Robinsons, but frankly I failed to see what's the reason to go there? Apparently picking up girls there isn't that easy? Maybe I missed the point of Robinsons?[/QUOTE]There are often freelancers outside of an evening though I have never partaken any of them. I prefer Robinson mall to the Makati ones, smaller, easier to navigate, lots of different food options and the convenience of a major supermarket if as I do have extended stays and want to do some self catering. I don't do bars or gogos, exclusively online dating so for me I want to stay in an area where I prefer the ambiance and I love Korean food.

Repeated tonight with a 22 year old TT girl. Great pussy, a lot of grinding as she gets off.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2902767]Repeated tonight with a 22 year old TT girl. Great pussy, a lot of grinding as she gets off.[/QUOTE]The great Filipina beaver! Can be difficult to get a picture of it in the wild.

Small cutie I brought in from the province to the city a few months ago, getting her evening snack.

Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?

[QUOTE=BibiTheQueen;2903593]Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?[/QUOTE]I see pinays with black men in Manila all the time.

Just returned from a one-month trip to the Philippines between February 20 and March 19,2024. Reports are posted in the 3 areas visited: Makati, Angles City and Manila. Please look for my handle under each city to view all reports.

See report #1 in the Makati board.

See report #'s 2-9 in the Angeles City board.

Report #10 - Manila.

I left Angeles City around noon when my scheduled car service arrived at Score Birds Hotel. Checked into the New Coast Hotel a little before 2:00 pm for the night. I like this hotel, upscale, modern, and clean. Plus, it's about one block from Midnight Heaven Cafe (formerly LA Cafe), which was the reason I selected it. I took a trip to the Manila hard Rock Cafe to buy shot glasses and T-shirts, plus grab a glass of a local craft beer. Then back to the hotel to grab a shower and head over to the cafe to scope the freelancer scene.

I grabbed a bite and a drink at the cafe and settled in to chat up potential opportunities. After about 20 minutes, I connected with Jen; 27 years old, 2 babies, 4'10" and a decent thin body. Now I will admit I failed to observe a critical rule: Always FULLY negotiate before you get naked. I forgot to clearly specify certain issues, like where I would finish until I was ready to, um. Finish. That increased the total cost from 5,000 p to 7,000 p. Not a life changing issue. Maybe $40 US more than I originally agreed to. But I was way under budget for the one-month trip so just a minor annoyance, really.

I finished in my desired location and we both cleaned up in the shower. She slipped the door and I went to sleep, needing to be up at 6:00 am to checkout and head to the airport for my flight home.

[QUOTE=BibiTheQueen;2903593]Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?[/QUOTE]In the PI both race and nationality go a long way. If you are an American of any color, that will move you up to the front of the line.

[QUOTE=BibiTheQueen;2903593]Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?[/QUOTE]They were with the ugliest of the uglies when I was there. A 300 pound white woman that they are used to fucking in America would have been an upgrade. LOL.

[QUOTE=BibiTheQueen;2903593]Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?[/QUOTE]I'm not white I'm middle eastern and I'm definitely treated differently from the other ethnicities. Filipinas has strong preference for Koreans and Japanese, Those get the top tier girls. Then the blond guys with blue eyes, those are more desired than white guys with dark hair and dark eyes. Then come the brown guys like Indians and middle easterners, those often either struggle or scrape the bottom of the barrel. In Angeles city despite being younger, dressed nicely and spent money I got rejected more often than the average retired old guy.

Now as a black man you will either get with girls that has preference for black guys and those are extremely rare or unattractive over weight girls and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2903997]I'm not white I'm middle eastern and I'm definitely treated differently from the other ethnicities. Filipinas has strong preference for Koreans and Japanese, Those get the top tier girls. Then the blond guys with blue eyes, those are more desired than white guys with dark hair and dark eyes. Then come the brown guys like Indians and middle easterners, those often either struggle or scrape the bottom of the barrel. In Angeles city despite being younger, dressed nicely and spent money I got rejected more often than the average retired old guy.

Now as a black man you will either get with girls that has preference for black guys and those are extremely rare or unattractive over weight girls and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.[/QUOTE]Yeah, no LOL.

Black men have been enjoying angeles (and the Philippines as a whole) for decades and continue to do so today. Filipinas for the most part aren't picky about race unless the guy gives out major red flag vibes, all they care about is the colour of your money. Sure they'll tell guys what they want to hear when it comes to opinions of other races, but ultimately they'll fuck whoever is paying their going rate. Some girls might be worried about the size of the BBC, other might be excited about it. I've had 18,19 and 20 yo Filipinas tell me about the different races they've fucked ranging from south Asian to East Asian to white all the way to black, all beautiful slim girls that didn't need to step into a single bar to make money.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2904000]Yeah, no LOL.

Black men have been enjoying angeles (and the Philippines as a whole) for decades and continue to do so today. Filipinas for the most part aren't picky about race unless the guy gives out major red flag vibes, all they care about is the colour of your money. Sure they'll tell guys what they want to hear when it comes to opinions of other races, but ultimately they'll fuck whoever is paying their going rate. Some girls might be worried about the size of the BBC, other might be excited about it. I've had 18,19 and 20 yo Filipinas tell me about the different races they've fucked ranging from south Asian to East Asian to white all the way to black, all beautiful slim girls that didn't need to step into a single bar to make money.[/QUOTE]Since we are both not black maybe it's better to let other black men answer.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2904063]Since we are both not black maybe it's better to let other black men answer.[/QUOTE]One of us isn't black. And that person isn't me.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2903997]I'm not white I'm middle eastern and I'm definitely treated differently from the other ethnicities. Filipinas has strong preference for Koreans and Japanese, Those get the top tier girls. Then the blond guys with blue eyes, those are more desired than white guys with dark hair and dark eyes. Then come the brown guys like Indians and middle easterners, those often either struggle or scrape the bottom of the barrel. In Angeles city despite being younger, dressed nicely and spent money I got rejected more often than the average retired old guy.

Now as a black man you will either get with girls that has preference for black guys and those are extremely rare or unattractive over weight girls and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.[/QUOTE]Completely agree here. Don't underestimate how backward southeast asia can be. Racism always has been and will be present for the forseeable future. Koreans are some of the most racist and xenophobic peoples on earth. I am obviously not speaking about each and every korean, but as a society, not as individuals, it is accepted that there is an in peoples and an out peoples, and if you're not korean, you know which one you belong too. Whether or not the discrimination is deserved, this hierarchy is correct, Korean / Japanese, Whites, Blacks, and then Indians and middle easterns.

You will probably have a better time if you are higher up on the totem pole but don't worry, you'll still have a good time as long as the color of your money is blue. Just be generous and don't be an ahole, that should be enough to overcome most prejudices.

Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?

I have travelled to the Philippines from Manila to Cagayan De Oro (don't ask me why CDO) and when I land people ask where I am from. I think in Manila people see black people who are from the continent of Africa. That's not a desired location. I tell them I am American and they are surprised. Before Obama, people didn't black Americans as "Americans. ".

There are people who prefer white Americans because they perceive them as having higher status. I had a taxi driver ask me "are you a nigger?" he meant Nigerian.

[QUOTE=BibiTheQueen;2903593]Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?[/QUOTE]As a black man who has been to PI quite a few times, I'd say my stays there have been great experiences overall. Yeah, I've had people be a bit cautious when dealing with me, but once they figured out I was American and / or saw that I was clean, clean-shaved, fit, and generous with money, the game was afoot!

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2904133]Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?

I have travelled to the Philippines from Manila to Cagayan De Oro (don't ask me why CDO) and when I land people ask where I am from. I think in Manila people see black people who are from the continent of Africa. That's not a desired location. I tell them I am American and they are surprised. Before Obama, people didn't black Americans as "Americans. ".

There are people who prefer white Americans because they perceive them as having higher status. I had a taxi driver ask me "are you a nigger?" he meant Nigerian.[/QUOTE]I've seen a lot of the opposite. I often have to correct pinays who refer to someone or a group as 'Black Americans', we heard them speaking a language from the continent of Africa. There's a mindset with a lot of Filipinos that black means from the US.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2904133]Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?

I have travelled to the Philippines from Manila to Cagayan De Oro (don't ask me why CDO) and when I land people ask where I am from. I think in Manila people see black people who are from the continent of Africa. That's not a desired location. I tell them I am American and they are surprised. Before Obama, people didn't black Americans as "Americans. ".

There are people who prefer white Americans because they perceive them as having higher status. I had a taxi driver ask me "are you a nigger?" he meant Nigerian.[/QUOTE]Hi Mate, whilst I'm not a black American, I don't think there's too much to worry about in the Philippines for you guys. I know, and have spoken to a lot of girls, and the subject of race has been risen often. They're not keen on (Asian) Indians, they don't really trust Africans due to their participation in online scams, and as for the Koreans, they take their money and run! I know an Australian Aboriginal guy who goes to Subic frequently and he's the life of the party. The good thing about The Philippines is, you can just be who you are. And if you respect the locals, they'll respect you. Just my observations and I could be wrong Phil.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2904133]Any fellow Black Americans want to share their experience with women in Manila. Do they respect your "American" status similar to whites, or not?[/QUOTE]Man forget all the noise. Just let them know you're an American wielding greenbacks and then get ready to start fucking. [B]Bareback[/B]!

I spent the last 4 days of Mar (from Thur. thru Sun) at Pasay area. The malls were closed. Activity was minimal. There were a few opportunities around the bay section towards the carousel at night. I am not here to talk about it.

Given that it was a holy week, I had planned on importing a lady cabanatuan. I had also booked an airbnb in Shore2. A day before I landed ran into another one from Pagadian city and she was wiling to travel too.

Hit: The lady from Cabanatuan showed up. She had asked me for bus and cab charges and I sent her 2000 pesos. She came to the airport to pick me up with some cash on hand to pay for cab. Helped me into the apartment. Overall a very cute girl 28 years of age. I would say she started taking care of me right from the get go. Helped me with local language, water etc. Etc. We really had fun. She gave perfect GFE. Very very good in bed. Talked to me about her life and asked me curious questions on what I do. She would make coffee or tea when I was taking meetings. Wash my clothes (and fold them) , clean the room if it was messy etc. We walked around the pasay area, had food in Lansons, olive garden around that area. She warned me of women stalking us and pointed out women who were FLs in that area. She seemed street smart too. I lost count of how many times we may have f*see*ed. We had some PDAs, some great times at Hardrock, and some nice dances in the bar near Pasay.

Miss: When I was planning the second girl, told the first girl about it. She was upset but okay with it. The second girl wanted me to buy tickets which I did. She asked me for money to buy some outfit and innerwear (she sent me photos of her faded innerwear). This is where I lost my sense. I should have said no. I sent her money. Just before I was boarding flight to Manila, she frantically wanted more money to take a cab from her village to pagadian city airport. Sent her 1000 pesos again. Second mistake. Only when I boarded the flight I realized I was cheated. By the time she was asking me for money to take the cab, her flight was leaving. I knew right then I was cheated! After takeoff, I tried to ping on whatsapp and she was gone.

The first one kept asking me whether the second girl took money and I did not answer that question! I had a hit and a miss. I did not feel the money lost on the second one -- close to $250 on the second including flight charges. The first one made up for it. The first girl wanted to roam around manila, she wanted to eat in good places, try out different cuisines. She was amazing overall. As a gift she wanted me to buy the cheapest laptop which I obliged for 22 K pesos. She wanted my help to setup Java and golang (that I helped). Very interesting experience.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2907434]I spent the last 4 days of Mar (from Thur. thru Sun) at Pasay area. [/QUOTE]Other than the time wasted (happens to everyone), sounds like an overwhelming positive.

A little goodie for the gents. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2907434]I spent the last 4 days of Mar (from Thur. thru Sun) at Pasay area. The malls were closed. Activity was minimal. There were a few opportunities around the bay section towards the carousel at night. I am not here to talk about it.

Given that it was a holy week, I had planned on importing a lady cabanatuan. I had also booked an airbnb in Shore2. A day before I landed ran into another one from Pagadian city and she was wiling to travel too.

Hit: The lady from Cabanatuan showed up. She had asked me for bus and cab charges and I sent her 2000 pesos. She came to the airport to pick me up with some cash on hand to pay for cab. Helped me into the apartment. Overall a very cute girl 28 years of age. I would say she started taking care of me right from the get go. Helped me with local language, water etc. Etc. We really had fun. She gave perfect GFE. Very very good in bed. Talked to me about her life and asked me curious questions on what I do. She would make coffee or tea when I was taking meetings. Wash my clothes (and fold them) , clean the room if it was messy etc. We walked around the pasay area, had food in Lansons, olive garden around that area. She warned me of women stalking us and pointed out women who were FLs in that area. She seemed street smart too. I lost count of how many times we may have f*see*ed. We had some PDAs, some great times at Hardrock, and some nice dances in the bar near Pasay.

Miss: When I was planning the second girl, told the first girl about it. She was upset but okay with it. The second girl wanted me to buy tickets which I did. She asked me for money to buy some outfit and innerwear (she sent me photos of her faded innerwear). This is where I lost my sense. I should have said no. I sent her money. Just before I was boarding flight to Manila, she frantically wanted more money to take a cab from her village to pagadian city airport. Sent her 1000 pesos again. Second mistake. Only when I boarded the flight I realized I was cheated. By the time she was asking me for money to take the cab, her flight was leaving. I knew right then I was cheated! After takeoff, I tried to ping on whatsapp and she was gone.

The first one kept asking me whether the second girl took money and I did not answer that question! I had a hit and a miss. I did not feel the money lost on the second one -- close to $250 on the second including flight charges. The first one made up for it. The first girl wanted to roam around manila, she wanted to eat in good places, try out different cuisines. She was amazing overall. As a gift she wanted me to buy the cheapest laptop which I obliged for 22 K pesos. She wanted my help to setup Java and golang (that I helped). Very interesting experience.[/QUOTE]50/50 is not a bad start. #1 girl made up for it. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2904117]Completely agree here. Don't underestimate how backward southeast asia can be. Racism always has been and will be present for the forseeable future. Koreans are some of the most racist and xenophobic peoples on earth. I am obviously not speaking about each and every korean, but as a society, not as individuals, it is accepted that there is an in peoples and an out peoples, and if you're not korean, you know which one you belong too. Whether or not the discrimination is deserved, this hierarchy is correct, Korean / Japanese, Whites, Blacks, and then Indians and middle easterns.

You will probably have a better time if you are higher up on the totem pole but don't worry, you'll still have a good time as long as the color of your money is blue. Just be generous and don't be an ahole, that should be enough to overcome most prejudices.[/QUOTE]I disagree. S. E. Asia is not backwards. It may seem backwards to you as your norms and culture are different. These countries over here are predominantly Homogenous societies. They do not understand a place like American where no two people look alike. I've been in place's in China where they stare at me like I'm from another planet. When I lived in Vietnam my girlfriend would watch US TV I had on satellite. One day she looked perplexed after watching American news, honey why do these people call something or say something about racism all the time. Well dear In America you cannot believe one race is better than another. Again she looked confused, that's odd of course we think we are better than say Chinese or anyone really. I know dear your culture is different as your society for the most part are all the same, your culture is different. We in America think the world revolves around us, it does not. They do not give us a thought on the other side of the planet. We think cause we do something everyone should, they don't see it that way and never will. I have couple black friends over there and they do just fine as these people have no preconceived notions about slavery, civil war or any of those things and don't get bashed over the head with it everyday on the news. Leave all that crap at home, be a gentleman, smell nice, dress appropriately and things will go well. Women are women everywhere, they like what they like in men, racism has nothing to do with it no matter what CNN tells you.

Hey fellas! First time to PH. I fly in tomorrow. Staying in Makati for the first five days. I've read quite a bit of the forum. Thanks for the help. Give me some advice on massage places? Where should I head first? What's the move? Walking distance from makati? Usually the massage places are my go too. Will report back.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/search.php?searchid=14808699[/URL]

There is always a first time, I guess.

[QUOTE=MikeStud;2908691]Hey fellas! First time to PH. I fly in tomorrow. Staying in Makati for the first five days. I've read quite a bit of the forum. Thanks for the help. Give me some advice on massage places? Where should I head first? What's the move? Walking distance from makati? Usually the massage places are my go too. Will report back.[/QUOTE]

Thanks but I can't get link to work.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2908693][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/search.php?searchid=14808699[/URL]

There is always a first time, I guess.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeStud;2908705]Thanks but I can't get link to work.[/QUOTE]Same here.

The lower end street walker area of Carriedo has been discussed here sparsely a couple of times before. There is action more or less day and night and I believe there's actually more SW's during the day then during night time. You can find them between the entrance of the LRT Carriedo on Avenida Rizal on both sides up to Recto. There turn right and you will see more, generally a bit better quality.

Many thanks to Keen Eye Joe aka Keen eye joe 1 who described his previous experiences in that area. I wanted to see if it was possible to pull a SW for 500 php and I could but but service levels can be pretty awful. At least 30% are visibly addicted, maybe more. It's not a pretty area and at night the streets are lined with homeless everywhere but I never felt unsafe day or night. Never was I followed, hassled or did I get the impression I was a mark.

Another girl from pinalove, she lives near Chinatown. 18 years old, she agreed to 3k.

I had a doctor's appt on the Friday afternoon at the doc's clinic in Ermita, so was trying to arrange a meet with the girl for early that evening, but the only time she was free to meet was at 5. 30am - because of her 'family responsibilities'! I was able to change the doctor's appt to 9am, so agreed with the girl to meet her at 5.30am, near to her home.

Two days prior to the meet, I went to the BOI satellite office in SM North EDSA to get a visa extension, I wanted 6 months but was told that unless I was married to a local, the max they could give me was 2 months. I queried this, and mentioned that I got my last visa extension in Cebu, and was given 6 months. "New rules" was the response, but the guy told me that I could probably get a 6 month extension if I went to the BOI head office in Intramuros. It was mid-afternoon, so it was too late to head down to Intramuros.

I ended up going to the BOI head office on the Friday. First was the early morning session with the girl (who was waiting for me when I arrived), then breakfast, then to the doctor, then to the BOI head office. It was my first visit to this particular office, and as I approached the main entrance was accosted by a pair of touts (or 'fixers' as the locals call them) warning me of 'long delays' inside and offering to help me. I asked how long it would take if I used their service, and they told me about 30 minutes. I politely declined, went inside, and made the application myself - for 6 months - which was thankfully granted. It was very busy and very noisy inside, but I was in and out in less than 30 minutes.

Any Suggestion? Is the pool at Conrad so beautiful with look on beach? As Conrad is near Mall of Asia. Any Suggestionen to find freelancers? Maybe Hard Rock Caffee? Thanks for every help!

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2909305]Another girl from pinalove, she lives near Chinatown. 18 years old, she agreed to 3k.[/QUOTE]Good report and pics.

Pic time. Skinny / ribby, nice rack, pear-shaped fanny. Get some.

Currently on the ground in Manila. Not sure why all the negative reports but there is plenty of action on P street. All types. All ages. All sizes. Something for everyone from tiny young ones to middle aged to older. Lady Boys. All types. If you can't find action here then god bless. It's been fun. P.S.. It's hot as shit. Other than that all good! And it's cheap. Everything is cheap!

[QUOTE=MikeStud;2909731]Currently on the ground in Manila. Not sure why all the negative reports but there is plenty of action on P street. All types. All ages. All sizes. Something for everyone from tiny young ones to middle aged to older. Lady Boys. All types. If you can't find action here then god bless. It's been fun. P.S.. It's hot as shit. Other than that all good! And it's cheap. Everything is cheap![/QUOTE]True. If you can't score on Burgos street especially with all the new bars there is something seriously wrong with you.

Look for these message patterns from Filipina before they ask you for money over whatsapp:

"There is no food".

"My kid and I just slept without food".

"No food at home".

"Don't have any work so no food".

"I am sick and need to go to a doctor".

"I have a pain and need money for medicines".

"My internet access will go away since I don't have load".

"I am using my neighbors internet".

"I need to pay rent".

Having fun for sure but one thing I am struggling to find are massage places with younger prettier girls. Can anyone on here advise or assist with that at all? Where do I need to go?

[QUOTE=MikeStud;2909917]Where do I need to go?[/QUOTE]Pattaya.

Unfortunately, PI does not have the same massage++ culture as Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia etc. Most massage businesses are 100% legit. An occasional few might add extras. However, body to body, nuru or routinely finishing with a happy ending just isn't common at all.

The best you can hope for are online or streetwalkers' offers of a massage. It will be a thinly veiled introduction into sex but the actual massage will be absolute crap and the "girls" won't be young nor beautiful. Some establishments do offer in hotel massages. There will be a two hour minimum and what else the girl does / does not offer will be a roll of the dice.

Sorry I couldn't offer better news.

G.

[QUOTE=Kforab;2909543]Any Suggestion? Is the pool at Conrad so beautiful with look on beach? As Conrad is near Mall of Asia. Any Suggestionen to find freelancers? Maybe Hard Rock Caffee? Thanks for every help![/QUOTE]My tip for freelancers is to ask the hotel doormen / security / staff to sort you out. They'll get a cut of the profit and they'll make sure the girl gets to your room. Quite often when the girl leaves, reception will call you first to make sure she hasn't nicked anything from you.

I've got some really pleasant surprises doing this and it's not like dragging any girl off the street. Most have even shown the girl's social media profiles before I've agreed to a price. Average has been 3000 pesos. I usually exchange WhatsApp details before they leave the room and they're lined up in advance for my next visit.

Hope this helps Phil.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2909879]True. If you can't score on Burgos street especially with all the new bars there is something seriously wrong with you.[/QUOTE]Am more interested in FL as the bars seem overpriced to me. Like I said in another post went in 2020 and I thought the selection around Burgos wasn't great.

Was I there at a bad time like some have said for Angeles in 2020?

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2910122]Am more interested in FL as the bars seem overpriced to me. Like I said in another post went in 2020 and I thought the selection around Burgos wasn't great.

Was I there at a bad time like some have said for Angeles in 2020?[/QUOTE]You didn't mention when you were there. Pre-covid? There is no price list for FL like there is for the bars. Couple of thoughts on Burgos FL. There are SW out there every night, and a few are attractive, but most are older and some form of fugly. Prices run the gamut from a low of about p1000 for a quickie (usually lasts less than an hour) and runs up considerably higher, depending on what things you want. However average prices (say, about 2 k for ST) can fluctuate quickly, in just a day. Also individual girlie prices can fluctuate wildly, depending on which emergency this or that girl is experiencing TODAY. The number of continual / rolling emergencies for most girls can be surprising. Some girls are having an emergency everyday (indicative of an emergency of a different nature -- shabu).

Online options (Tinder, DIA, or such). P3000 has been bantied about as typical for ST.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2909916]Look for these message patterns from Filipina before they ask you for money over whatsapp:

"There is no food".

"My kid and I just slept without food".

"No food at home".

"Don't have any work so no food".

"I am sick and need to go to a doctor".

"I have a pain and need money for medicines".

"My internet access will go away since I don't have load".

"I am using my neighbors internet".

"I need to pay rent".[/QUOTE]Good list. You forgot 'Sick kalabaw'. The question becomes: Is she really having this emergency? Or does she really want the money to buy snacks and Empi for her pinoy boyfie?

FYI: for the moment being I follow a classic non mongering modus operandi online. I don't mention anything related to sex, money or anything rude, LOL. I had a couple of girls mentioning financial difficulties. In that case it seems logic to offer a reward. I suppose that's why they are mentioning it anyway. But how to make that transition? I mean, you can't just say like 'oh got a hungry one at home, have you? Well you know what deep clean my chopper and I'll buy you a cup of rice'. If she really has a problem that would be inhumane. How do you guys go about this?

[QUOTE=TailPipe;2910186]If she really has a problem that would be inhumane. How do you guys go about this?[/QUOTE]Ask if she is still going to need help when you are in town. Then you can meet up to provide assistance and she can say thank you straight away.

It is totally pointless to send cash when you aren't even in country. It doesn't guarantee anything when you do arrive. It doesn't reserve your place in the queue. It doesn't stop her asking the same from 800 other guys. It doesn't prevent another calamity happening next week and every week after that.

I've said it a million times: when I'm standing in a local hotel, dick in one hand and cash in the other, I have never had a girl refuse to see me because I didn't send "help" while I was away. Not once. Never.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2910192]Ask if she is still going to need help when you are in town. [/QUOTE]I am there right now. But it's in the provinces.

[QUOTE=TailPipe;2910203]I am there right now. But it's in the provinces.[/QUOTE]Same thing. Either you go to her or she comes to you.

Be aware that 'lame buffaloes' followed by 'ID love to suck your dick but I don't have bus fare' typically does not have a high success rate after you send the vet bill and transport money.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=TailPipe;2910186]FYI: for the moment being I follow a classic non mongering modus operandi online. I don't mention anything related to sex, money or anything rude, LOL. I had a couple of girls mentioning financial difficulties. In that case it seems logic to offer a reward. I suppose that's why they are mentioning it anyway. But how to make that transition? I mean, you can't just say like 'oh got a hungry one at home, have you? Well you know what deep clean my chopper and I'll buy you a cup of rice'. If she really has a problem that would be inhumane. How do you guys go about this?[/QUOTE]You say, "I am always willing to help my friends. Come over to my hotel and we can discuss more. But I never send money to anyone I have not met before. " And no, they are not starving. Somehow they managed to survive all these years without your help. They will continue to do so. Its not your responsibility.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2910192]Ask if she is still going to need help when you are in town. Then you can meet up to provide assistance and she can say thank you straight away.

It is totally pointless to send cash when you aren't even in country. It doesn't guarantee anything when you do arrive. It doesn't reserve your place in the queue. It doesn't stop her asking the same from 800 other guys. It doesn't prevent another calamity happening next week and every week after that.

I've said it a million times: when I'm standing in a local hotel, dick in one hand and cash in the other, I have never had a girl refuse to see me because I didn't send "help" while I was away. Not once. Never..[/QUOTE]Goferring is right. Whilst I don't doubt the majority of the girls without a FT job have money issues, the cup of rice a day story is a foreigner ploy for free money. You need to detach yourself from the stories and not get too into their personal lives. Never give cash until services provided. If her story is legit after you have sex you can give her a little extra.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2910129]You didn't mention when you were there. Pre-covid? There is no price list for FL like there is for the bars. Couple of thoughts on Burgos FL. There are SW out there every night, and a few are attractive, but most are older and some form of fugly. Prices run the gamut from a low of about p1000 for a quickie (usually lasts less than an hour) and runs up considerably higher, depending on what things you want. However average prices (say, about 2 k for ST) can fluctuate quickly, in just a day. Also individual girlie prices can fluctuate wildly, depending on which emergency this or that girl is experiencing TODAY. The number of continual / rolling emergencies for most girls can be surprising. Some girls are having an emergency everyday (indicative of an emergency of a different nature -- shabu).

Online options (Tinder, DIA, or such). P3000 has been bantied about as typical for ST.[/QUOTE]I remember going at Christmas time but checked and was Dec2020. What I saw there at PBurgos and Angeles did not impress me much. Stayed at St Giles too which I thought was ok but not great.

Parked myself at Cafe Cubana most nights and perused for a couple of hours.

NI.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2909932]Pattaya.

Unfortunately, PI does not have the same massage++ culture as Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia etc. Most massage businesses are 100% legit. An occasional few might add extras. However, body to body, nuru or routinely finishing with a happy ending just isn't common at all.

The best you can hope for are online or streetwalkers' offers of a massage. It will be a thinly veiled introduction into sex but the actual massage will be absolute crap and the "girls" won't be young nor beautiful. Some establishments do offer in hotel massages. There will be a two hour minimum and what else the girl does / does not offer will be a roll of the dice..[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more G.

Met a local girl in a 'casual' bar that also worked at a massage joint in Sabang about a year ago and she was determined to offer a massage to show off her skills in my room before the real action.

In the the end I gave her 500 p to stop the massage and to get to work (so to speak).

If anyone's been to Boracay, the last thing you'd want is a massage as every second girl asks you if you want one, all day, and every day.

I'm thinking "All I want is a beer and a f*ck".

It's merely economics for them and not a skill.

I was once treated to a 'real' massage for my birthday while in Japan quite a few years ago and I couldn't walk for days afterwards. Ie. Babes walking on your back and the happy ending for some extra Yen.

Ever since, I've had no interest in massages. I don't travel to the PH merely for a rub and tug.

Phil.

Hi everybody, what about these outcall "spas" that send girls to your hotel? I saw plenty of that. How is the service? Does it make sense to go that way or typical scam with ugly girls that are far away from the photos proposed or money in advance?

Any potential issues with the hotels?

[QUOTE=Selsko;2910537]Hi everybody, what about these outcall "spas" that send girls to your hotel? I saw plenty of that. How is the service? Does it make sense to go that way or typical scam with ugly girls that are far away from the photos proposed or money in advance?
Any potential issues with the hotels?[/QUOTE]Robinson mall in Malate next to or across Mcdonalds. Go around 7 pm you will find some cute young girls offering massage but once in the room if they like your looks full service is open at minimum pricing scored a young cute spinner but she got too clingy waited outside my hotel everynight. Had to move hotel. Note: the attractive ones are scooped up by nightfall.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2910129]

Online options (Tinder, DIA, or such). P3000 has been bantied about as typical for ST.[/QUOTE]I have been living in Quezon City for the last 6 months and P3k has been the average price I have paid, and all the girls were via online.

The range has been from 2k, the lowest, to 4k, the max price I have paid, all short-time. But there have been many girls who asked for 5k, or 6k and would not come down. I turned down one girl from pinalove last month, she asked for US$500! That's about P28k, though it was for all night.

I told her my budget was 10k, just to see what her reaction would be. She offered to 'reach me next week' but didn't. If she had agreed to 10k I would have made an excuse and finished the conversation because there is no way I would have agreed to that price. But if she can get that rate from others then good luck to her!

Prior to coming to QC, I lived in Cebu City for 4 years. Prices are a bit lower there, and ranged from 1k to 1.5k. 2k was about the max I paid, the avg was about 1.2k. All short-time and almost all via online.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2910662]I have been living in Quezon City for the last 6 months and P3k has been the average price I have paid, and all the girls were via online.

The range has been from 2k, the lowest, to 4k, the max price I have paid, all short-time. But there have been many girls who asked for 5k, or 6k and would not come down. I turned down one girl from pinalove last month, she asked for US$500! That's about P28k, though it was for all night.

I told her my budget was 10k, just to see what her reaction would be. She offered to 'reach me next week' but didn't. If she had agreed to 10k I would have made an excuse and finished the conversation because there is no way I would have agreed to that price. But if she can get that rate from others then good luck to her!

Prior to coming to QC, I lived in Cebu City for 4 years. Prices are a bit lower there, and ranged from 1k to 1.5k. 2k was about the max I paid, the avg was about 1.2k. All short-time and almost all via online.[/QUOTE]Girl's in the biz usually initially request more than they are willing to take, and negosyo is expected.

Also, girls asking higher than a reasonable range, such as p28 k, are not necessarily the cream of the crop in terms of looks. As an example, a decade ago I believe that I reported on a Mindanao girl in the twigs who wanted p7000. I found it an odd request for a number of reasons: 1) She claimed to have never met a foreigner before for such an act; 2) She had a list of needs that were unacceptable (1 hour max, + condom, strict meeting time of early afternoon); 3) The price was way too high considering I was pulling girls from the area for p500-1000 LT; and 4) She wasn't that attractive, a '7' at best (frumpy unkept hair and a touch pudgy). She refused to budge down on the price (not that I spent a lot of time trying). You wonder, if they are at it for a while, they must be getting the high price if they won't negotiate down.

Some pics. Gal told me that she had a bit of a sore throat. I suggested a tonsil check. I was in there a good 10 minutes, um, examining. The doctor is in. The doctor is operating.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2910669]You wonder, if they are at it for a while, they must be getting the high price if they won't negotiate down.[/QUOTE]1/. Very common across Asia for prices to RISE during periods of low sales. The theory is that it protects overall income. Of course, all it does is drive customers away even more.

2/. A true newbie may have heard a cousin brag about one high roller as if that is her income from every customer. Newbie now thinks that is normal pricing that she can charge. It takes a while in the real world for them to accept realistic pricing levels and that not all guys pay the same prices.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2910800]A true newbie may have heard a cousin brag about one high roller as if that is her income from every customer. Newbie now thinks that is normal pricing that she can charge. It takes a while in the real world for them to accept realistic pricing levels and that not all guys pay the same prices.[/QUOTE]Bragging can be the correct word. More than once a Burgos SW has told her SW friends an exaggerated amount that I gave her. About late 2022, as the street opened back up after Covid, there were few visiting foreigners, and there was real desperation on the part of all gogo girls in the bars and the street. P1 k was not uncommon on the street, and gogo girls were eager to do extra-curricular work outside of bar hours for ridiculously low prices. Nobody wanted to admit to their peers that they were 2-popping over 4 hours at his condo for p1500. That was then, not so much now.

All.

I hear the season between June to November is bad in PH due to rains. How is monegring scene? Any experiences to share?

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2911241]All.

I hear the season between June to November is bad in PH due to rains. How is monegring scene? Any experiences to share?[/QUOTE]Consider to RTTF for shared experience from the gents.

I'd like to share a visual from one of my experiences during the rainy season. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2911241]All.

I hear the season between June to November is bad in PH due to rains. How is monegring scene?[/QUOTE]Typically it starts raining pussy about 3 or 4 pm with increasing intensity until 3 am. The occasional squall from a psychotic bargirl but these pass quickly.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2911241]Any experiences to share?[/QUOTE]Sure. Be careful. Walking in the rain brings the risk of slips and falls straight into a vagina.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2911241]All.

I hear the season between June to November is bad in PH due to rains. How is monegring scene? Any experiences to share?[/QUOTE]They generally retreat to your room to get wet. Well that's my experience.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2911241]All.

I hear the season between June to November is bad in PH due to rains. How is monegring scene? Any experiences to share?[/QUOTE]I avoid April and May as it can be hot, very HOT north of 40 C most days. When I retire there those will be my two months back home. June usually brings relief when the rains come and that's when I go back. Ill take rain over those temps any day and shouldn't be a problem unless you are screwing outdoors.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2911373] Walking in the rain brings the risk of slips and falls straight into a vagina.

[/QUOTE]It is a common problem here in the Philippines.

Hi,

Just a short review of staying there for 10 days:

Amazing hotel, Pool, even mit some interesting people, from US-seals to a british boygroup.

MOA for dating needs a lot of luck, on weekends very crowded.

Pinalove was about 7/10 good semipros, 3 were fake.

DIA is difficult, most relationship based ads.

Tinder is good if you're very attractive but just over average guys like me its waste of money.

Generell online searchibgntakes a lot of time.

Massagerepublic has a lot of scams, Telegramm nearby search is just good if yiure into ladyboys.

Makati is also now not the best, possible just too hot outside. Even nicht over 33'see.

Smooci is good choice but many some years older or pics good photoshopped.

[QUOTE=Kforab;2912262]Generell online searchibgntakes a lot of time.[/QUOTE]Hi Kforab,

Hope you had a great time.

As you've mentioned, online searches take a lot of time and I just don't have the time when I arrive in the PH to spend ages online looking to score.

My go-to has always been asking the hotel staff or security guys to line something up for me. I tip them and have never been disappointed with my 'room service' . I've actually had some great surprises. Not to mention saving heaps on 'lady drinks' or very expensive fruit juice.

Plus I now have a lot of girls via this method on Whatsapp that I line up before I arrive.

Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2912510]Hi Kforab,

Hope you had a great time.

As you've mentioned, online searches take a lot of time and I just don't have the time when I arrive in the PH to spend ages online looking to score.

My go-to has always been asking the hotel staff or security guys to line something up for me. I tip them and have never been disappointed with my 'room service' . I've actually had some great surprises. Not to mention saving heaps on 'lady drinks' or very expensive fruit juice.

Plus I now have a lot of girls via this method on Whatsapp that I line up before I arrive.

Phil.[/QUOTE]While I think that is a creative way to operate, it seems fraught with risks. What do you do if someone / something arrives at your doorstep that is "less than what you expected"? You turn her away?

N_R.

Fellas,

Not much traffic on LA Cafe lately? Are the other entertainment areas so much better that this venue is hardly worth it? I am headed to PI at the EOM and am working on options for engagement. I am adapt at online; however, prefer to eyeball the goods prior to buying.

N_R.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2912588]While I think that is a creative way to operate, it seems fraught with risks. What do you do if someone / something arrives at your doorstep that is "less than what you expected"? You turn her away?.[/QUOTE]Hi N_R, I've never had an issue. Generally the hotel contact who lines up the girl shows me her social media profiles during the 'negotiation' stage. On my last visit to Makati, the head of security told me honestly the girl was a little bit more chubby than her Facebook profile suggested. I went ahead with it, and she may have been have been a little chubby, yet amazing in the sack. She keeps in regular contact with me when I'm not in the Philippines so I know whenever I return I have her lined up prior. I've never had to turn a girl away. If you're staying at a half-decent hotel, the security guys aren't going to risk their jobs by letting dodgy girls meet up with guests and the girls have to register at reception. Regards, Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2912741]Hi N_R, I've never had an issue. Generally the hotel contact who lines up the girl shows me her social media profiles during the 'negotiation' stage. On my last visit to Makati, the head of security told me honestly the girl was a little bit more chubby than her Facebook profile suggested. I went ahead with it, and she may have been have been a little chubby, yet amazing in the sack. She keeps in regular contact with me when I'm not in the Philippines so I know whenever I return I have her lined up prior. I've never had to turn a girl away. If you're staying at a half-decent hotel, the security guys aren't going to risk their jobs by letting dodgy girls meet up with guests and the girls have to register at reception. Regards, Phil.[/QUOTE]Phil,

Great advice and I really appreciate the insight on this approach. As I stated, I am headed to PI / Boracay at the EOM and will certainly try your approach. I am not much of a bar-scene type. I do it and tolerate it for obvious reasons; however, it's not my style.

Again, many thanks.

N_R.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2912818]Phil,

Great advice and I really appreciate the insight on this approach. As I stated, I am headed to PI / Boracay at the EOM and will certainly try your approach. I am not much of a bar-scene type. I do it and tolerate it for obvious reasons; however, it's not my style..[/QUOTE]Not a problem N_R. Not sure if you've been to Boracay before, but there's really no girly bar scene there. Depending where you're staying, the hotel guys should be able to assist. However, around Station 2 there's a number of nightclubs right on the beach. You don't have to go inside to meet someone as there's a number of freelancers mingling out the front. All it takes is to walk past a few times they'll know what you're after. From experience they're not too 'aggressive' like in Makati and there are some very nice choices to be made from experience. Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2912963]Not a problem N_R. Not sure if you've been to Boracay before, but there's really no girly bar scene there. Depending where you're staying, the hotel guys should be able to assist. However, around Station 2 there's a number of nightclubs right on the beach. You don't have to go inside to meet someone as there's a number of freelancers mingling out the front. All it takes is to walk past a few times they'll know what you're after. From experience they're not too 'aggressive' like in Makati and there are some very nice choices to be made from experience. Phil.[/QUOTE]My man,

You continue to impress me with great advice (and I thought I was experienced). I have been to Boracay several times; however, I have always taken talent with me knowing the nightclub scene was a bit lacking. As you can imagine, I do not have much trouble finding talent willing to jump on plane / boat bound for Boracay all expenses paid for 4-5 days. Yes, I have bought a few sundresses and bathing suits along the way. Cost of doing business, in my opinion. I am sure I'll get flamed for being overly generous with such. NTL, I will certainly reconsider my approach based on your fantastic advice.

N_R.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2913083]I am sure I'll get flamed for being overly generous with such.[/QUOTE]Not so much. If you feel you obtained value for the pesos that you gave for good girlie experience, then bully for you. Pre-covid it was easier to give consistent price info for most situations, but things have changed since then.

OTOH, from your posting history, you have visited many places over the years and given some solid field reports elsewhere, but not so much in Phils. Please do so after your upcoming visit.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2913132]Not so much. If you feel you obtained value for the pesos that you gave for good girlie experience, then bully for you. [/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more Westie. Whatever it takes. And if you're happy and the girl's happy, everyone's a winner _ Phil.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2913132]Not so much. If you feel you obtained value for the pesos that you gave for good girlie experience, then bully for you. Pre-covid it was easier to give consistent price info for most situations, but things have changed since then.

OTOH, from your posting history, you have visited many places over the years and given some solid field reports elsewhere, but not so much in Phils. Please do so after your upcoming visit.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your position. I am a finance type by trade and certainly understand the meaning of the word "value". Yes, I have never regretted my doing such as I typically see an immediate "return on my investment". The chickie feels better about themselves and there is usually an immediate and sustained payoff.

Don't worry, I will submit a report upon completion. Truth be told, this is my first trip to PI in 10+ years.

N_R.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2913202]Couldn't agree more Westie. Whatever it takes. And if you're happy and the girl's happy, everyone's a winner _ Phil.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what it is about. Value for value. Of course add in something for contingencies or losses in the budget. Decide what is an acceptable loss and move on to another adventure.

I have found great value in PH for myself. That is all that matters. Not what someone else tells what it should be. Never mind the NaySayers.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2912590]Fellas,

Not much traffic on LA Cafe lately? Are the other entertainment areas so much better that this venue is hardly worth it? I am headed to PI at the EOM and am working on options for engagement. I am adapt at online; however, prefer to eyeball the goods prior to buying.

N_R.[/QUOTE]Slim pickins when I was there recently. Actually not that slim if you know what I mean. But there are always spinners in the PI.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2913256] I have found great value in PH for myself. That is all that matters. Not what someone else tells what it should be. Never mind the NaySayers.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more DG. There's great value to be had in the PH and some amazing women. Personally, I don't do the typical girly bar scene as I have an issue about paying $100 for a round of lady drinks (fruit juice) when they swarm upon you in packs, not to mention bar fines on top of that and potentially a dud root as a result. I know I'm open to criticism for not following the 'normal' . However, I have over time, made many contacts and see repeat girls by keeping in touch. By not paying the bar expenses, I can 'reward' the girls I know and send money in their direction instead by way of clothes, vacations etc. And, believe me, they appreciate it! Everyone has their own way of operating and I appreciate that. Phil.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2912590]Fellas,

Not much traffic on LA Cafe lately? Are the other entertainment areas so much better that this venue is hardly worth it? I am headed to PI at the EOM and am working on options for engagement. I am adapt at online; however, prefer to eyeball the goods prior to buying.

N_R.[/QUOTE]I can't stand LA I hate it. First time ever in Malate a girl took me there and not even 1 minute I walked out. Fucking smokers haven, guys lighting up one after another. If you ever bring a girl from there back to your room make sure she shampoos her hair LOL.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2913500]..Everyone has their own way of operating and I appreciate that. Phil.[/QUOTE]Me too.

What's the definition of insanity?? Repeating the same thing and expecting different results. Lots of guys find fault with the PI but keep coming back to the activities they don't like: poor attitudes in AC, high costs on P Burgos, grannies in LA Cafe etc. One of the best things about the Philippines is the huge number of ways of meeting girls, the appearance of said girls and methods of banging them.

Everyone likes different things and almost all are available in the PI somewhere.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2913618]Me too.

One of the best things about the Philippines is the huge number of ways of meeting girls, the appearance of said girls and methods of banging them.

Everyone likes different things and almost all are available in the PI somewhere..[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree G. If you're not into the typical bar scene like myself, there are alternatives and it's just a matter of thinking outside the box, before you get into the box. For me, this country never fails to disappoint. One observation I have made over time is, if a guy appears to be an arsehole / asshole in the Philippines, he probably is in his home country too. A lot of 'new' guys arrive expecting to find a long term GF on the spot. It doesn't work that way. The reason they don't, is probably why they can't get one at home. Just my observations. Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2913736] observation I have made over time is, if a guy appears to be an arsehole / asshole in the Philippines, he probably is in his home country too. A lot of 'new' guys arrive expecting to find a long term GF on the spot. It doesn't work that way. The reason they don't, is probably why they can't get one at home. Just my observations. Phil.[/QUOTE]The way I've always put it is that Asia tends to exaggerate someone's personality. The guy who some times has a few too many will drink himself to death. The guy in a power trip will be screaming at a 150 p a day waitress because his steak isn't cooked to his liking. The introvert will disappear to the boonies, never to be seen again. And, yes, the desperate and dateless will be complaining about how stuck up the stunners are. Most of us have seen all of the above.

Yes, the ripoffs and disastrous break ups make the news but they are definitely the vocal minority. 99% of the time it's his fault anyway because of leading with his wallet or being incredibly gullible. Most guys who have been here for a while know many others who put some effort into finding the right girl and have lived happily ever after, often for decades. I'm no saint but guys who only know friends who are bar flies and girls who are hookers really need to look at their choices rather than blaming their surroundings. 😁.

Rant off. 😜.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2913763]The way I've always put it is that Asia tends to exaggerate someone's personality. The guy who some times has a few too many will drink himself to death. The guy in a power trip will be screaming at a 150 p a day waitress because his steak isn't cooked to his liking. The introvert will disappear to the boonies, never to be seen again. And, yes, the desperate and dateless will be complaining about how stuck up the stunners are. Most of us have seen all of the above.

Yes, the ripoffs and disastrous break ups make the news but they are definitely the vocal minority. 99% of the time it's his fault anyway because of leading with his wallet or being incredibly gullible. Most guys who have been here for a while know many others who put some effort into finding the right girl and have lived happily ever after, often for decades. I'm no saint but guys who only know friends who are bar flies and girls who are hookers really need to look at their choices rather than blaming their surroundings. 😁.

Rant off. 😜.

G.[/QUOTE]To add to this.

I have found bargirls to have more integrity and honestly than everyone else. Of course there were some small time scams which I quickly dropped the girls. I have had westerners with some sad stories that borrowed $100 from me and never even attempted to pay back $1. 00. Bargirls have provided extra services for the much needed "loan".

[QUOTE=Goferring;2913763]I'm no saint but guys who only know friends who are bar flies and girls who are hookers really need to look at their choices rather than blaming their surroundings. 😁.[/QUOTE]Well I've been sending you too many PM's. . . 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2913763]The way I've always put it is that Asia tends to exaggerate someone's personality. The guy who some times has a few too many will drink himself to death. The guy in a power trip will be screaming at a 150 p a day waitress because his steak isn't cooked to his liking. The introvert will disappear to the boonies, never to be seen again. And, yes, the desperate and dateless will be complaining about how stuck up the stunners are. Most of us have seen all of the above.

Yes, the ripoffs and disastrous break ups make the news but they are definitely the vocal minority. 99% of the time it's his fault anyway because of leading with his wallet or being incredibly gullible. Most guys who have been here for a while know many others who put some effort into finding the right girl and have lived happily ever after, often for decades. I'm no saint but guys who only know friends who are bar flies and girls who are hookers really need to look at their choices rather than blaming their surroundings. 😁.

Rant off. 😜.

G.[/QUOTE]I don't post much anymore, not out of lack of interest but because I think most of the regular contributors here cover the waterfront accurately and I have nothing of interest to add. However, the above resonated with me because, after more than two decades of living here, I think I've witnessed the full spectrum of expat behavior.

The most frequent laments I hear from foreigners is, as referenced above, the bitterness of those guys who were once convinced that the bargirl they hired for a few nights was, in the end, only interested in their money, a shocker I know. And the most frequent response to urging caution from those of us who have been here for a while, is some variation of: "I hear what you're saying, but she's different and we're in love. " I've given up trying to warn newbies. In fact, I've given up meeting them at all, given their tone deafness. I do continue to get frequent requests for advice on the best avenues to pursue for finding a "real" girlfriend, or a "true love. " My advice, frequently given and seldom heeded, is to stop looking in bars, in online pay for play "dating" sites and quick hookup bars. For those actually looking for long-term relationships, there are abundant opportunities to establish satisfying, long-term relationships with wonderful women, but the search cannot be conducted in bars, and there chances of finding such relationship as a two week warrior are scant.

GE.

I think it was called Fly The Bus pick you up at the hotel in Manila and then drop you off at your hotel in AC. Does this service still run and if so can someone remind what hotel you leave from in Manila.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2913869]but the search cannot be conducted in bars, and there chances of finding such relationship as a two week warrior are scant.

GE.[/QUOTE]Many don't even wait for the plane to leave for the two weeks but start sending a truck load of cash before even meeting. That's not the girl or Philippines' fault. Shit, for the price of a house, I'd say I love him too. 😍.

G.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;2913912]I think it was called Fly The Bus pick you up at the hotel in Manila and then drop you off at your hotel in AC. Does this service still run and if so can someone remind what hotel you leave from in Manila.[/QUOTE]Was it at the (former?) Southern Cross Hotel in Ermita? It used to run twice a day. Don't think its operated in some years now. Alternately some of us have talked up the Genesis bus, departing hourly from NAIA terminal 3, starting around 2 am to 7 pm. Bus runs direct to SM Clark, without stopping for pickups / dropoffs. Light traffic = 90 minutes, heavy traffic longer. Price is about p400, and return from SM Clark to T3 is also hourly. Have taken it several times. No CR on the bus. Google 'Genesis bus NAIA' for more info. Also search in the Phils threads on 'Genesis'. You will need to taxi from your NCR hotel to the airport to pick up the bus. I think it departs T3 at stall 13 or 14.

Once at SM Clark your choices to get to your AC hotel are: Walk; tryke (p150 mafia); or taxi (p300 mafia); have done all three.

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Hotel-2-hotel private cars are also available, p3500, contact BeeWay Travel (Google it for their website, or their FB presence you can PM).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2913938]Once at SM Clark your choices to get to your AC hotel are: Walk; tryke (p150 mafia); or taxi (p300 mafia); have done all three.[/QUOTE]Another option is to use Grab.

Not certain if Grab can pick you up in front of the Genesis stop. I am guessing they can since it's in front of the mall.

Can't stand the transport mafia. Last year, I paid 292 pesos for a Grab ride from SM's BDO to all the way to Porac.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2913869]I don't post much anymore, not out of lack of interest but because I think most of the regular contributors here cover the waterfront accurately and I have nothing of interest to add. However, the above resonated with me because, after more than two decades of living here, I think I've witnessed the full spectrum of expat behavior.

The most frequent laments I hear from foreigners is, as referenced above, the bitterness of those guys who were once convinced that the bargirl they hired for a few nights was, in the end, only interested in their money, a shocker I know. And the most frequent response to urging caution from those of us who have been here for a while, is some variation of: "I hear what you're saying, but she's different and we're in love. " I've given up trying to warn newbies. In fact, I've given up meeting them at all, given their tone deafness. I do continue to get frequent requests for advice on the best avenues to pursue for finding a "real" girlfriend, or a "true love. " My advice, frequently given and seldom heeded, is to stop looking in bars, in online pay for play "dating" sites and quick hookup bars. For those actually looking for long-term relationships, there are abundant opportunities to establish satisfying, long-term relationships with wonderful women, but the search cannot be conducted in bars, and there chances of finding such relationship as a two week warrior are scant.

GE.[/QUOTE]Good to hear from you, GE. You were certainly helpful to me. I live in Negros now. Cheers, buddy.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2911241]All.

I hear the season between June to November is bad in PH due to rains. How is monegring scene? Any experiences to share?[/QUOTE]The locals don't seem to mind.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2913869]I don't post much anymore, not out of lack of interest but because I think most of the regular contributors here cover the waterfront accurately and I have nothing of interest to add. However, the above resonated with me because, after more than two decades of living here, I think I've witnessed the full spectrum of expat behavior.

The most frequent laments I hear from foreigners is, as referenced above, the bitterness of those guys who were once convinced that the bargirl they hired for a few nights was, in the end, only interested in their money, a shocker I know. And the most frequent response to urging caution from those of us who have been here for a while, is some variation of: "I hear what you're saying, but she's different and we're in love. " I've given up trying to warn newbies. In fact, I've given up meeting them at all, given their tone deafness. I do continue to get frequent requests for advice on the best avenues to pursue for finding a "real" girlfriend, or a "true love. " My advice, frequently given and seldom heeded, is to stop looking in bars, in online pay for play "dating" sites and quick hookup bars. For those actually looking for long-term relationships, there are abundant opportunities to establish satisfying, long-term relationships with wonderful women, but the search cannot be conducted in bars, and there chances of finding such relationship as a two week warrior are scant.

GE.[/QUOTE]I have been with several hundreds of working girls over the past five decades from all over the world. I believe such experience is a very good teacher. In 2015 I met a girl on DIA who I treated like a GF she me as a BF. She had a normal job. The relationship could have been graduated but did not for logistical reasons. I think true love can be found on dating sites but one has to have ones eyes open which, I think, may be a challenge to young newbies.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2913869]I don't post much anymore, not out of lack of interest but because I think most of the regular contributors here cover the waterfront accurately and I have nothing of interest to add. However, the above resonated with me because, after more than two decades of living here, I think I've witnessed the full spectrum of expat behavior.

The most frequent laments I hear from foreigners is, as referenced above, the bitterness of those guys who were once convinced that the bargirl they hired for a few nights was, in the end, only interested in their money, a shocker I know. And the most frequent response to urging caution from those of us who have been here for a while, is some variation of: "I hear what you're saying, but she's different and we're in love. " I've given up trying to warn newbies. In fact, I've given up meeting them at all, given their tone deafness. I do continue to get frequent requests for advice on the best avenues to pursue for finding a "real" girlfriend, or a "true love. " My advice, frequently given and seldom heeded, is to stop looking in bars, in online pay for play "dating" sites and quick hookup bars..[/QUOTE]Agreed. After years of coming there 2 week warriors have no chance of a good girl, love or a GF. Well I guess nothing is absolute but its rare. Bar girls and online ones are out, why? They've already had too much exposure to western men. Don't ever believe the oh honey I never stay in touch with previous customers, oh really, may I see your phone? Online is definitely out Go's Go's maybe, try this. Talk to a mamasun is anyone new, why yes, three as she picks them out. Girl A I buy a drink and after some chit chat I inquire are you new, yes sir, new from the province, first bar. Oh that's great you had any luck so far??A little just two barfines, immediately go to bathroom and say nice talking to you. Try girl be and see if no barfines you may have a winner. Can she lie, yes but most like telling you or you can ask the mamasun. I've gotten a few good ones this way and spent a week with them. They were very nice, problem is you must leave and when you do she will be corrupted. Met one like that before, saw her again 6 months later on my return, she was not the same. The sweetness and innocents was gone, oh well that's how it goes. You want a good one and keep her as GF, I see no way but to live there. Meantime just party and have fun. When retired or living there you can try this method in bars or search the country side. Are there good ones, plenty, but they cannot have exposer to other westerners, if so occasionally you'll be dealing with the hey baby I'm in town lets visit, and that you cannot trust, no matter what she tells you. If you liked her, rest assured someone else does too.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2914597]Agreed. After years of coming there 2 week warriors have no chance of a good girl, love or a GF. Well I guess nothing is absolute but its rare. Bar girls and online ones are out, why? They've already had too much exposure to western men. [/QUOTE]Agree Locamotive and also with the other gents. Great posts to educate the inquisitive first time travelers. I am a two week warrior, only because of my business back at home. I try to combine work and play whenever I return which is very frequently, especially post-covid. Thankfully I've compiled a good list of contacts now and only one is a bar girl, and that's a girl who worked in a sports bar as opposed to a go go. Generally I've discovered my girls via hotel staff or even the niece of a taxi driver. Sure they're not all 10 out of 10 in the looks department, but either am I and they're all pretty genuine and don't attempt to empty my wallet from afar. It's surprising how many guys I meet in the departure lounge or the airport smoko area after a two week romp who are convinced they've met the love of their life in a go go bar. All are first timers to the PH. I don't have the heart to let them down gently. They'll work it out _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2914906]Thankfully I've compiled a good list of contacts now and only one is a bar girl, [/QUOTE]Don't dismiss hookers as unpaid girlfriends too quickly. If both parties go in with their eyes open and the right attitude, they can be great times. Enjoy while you are in town and don't ask, don't tell about what happens while you are away. Its hard to go past a skilled operator who actually wants to be there.

30 years later, I still have great memories of mine and am pissed at the guy who decided to save her by marrying her and wisking her off to suburbia. I'm sure that worked out well. 😜.

Its a shame I'm too old and fat for that now. 😞.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2910131]Good list. You forgot 'Sick kalabaw'. The question becomes: Is she really having this emergency? Or does she really want the money to buy snacks and Empi for her pinoy boyfie?[/QUOTE]If I may add.

"Grandma / Grandpa / Unlce / Aunty passed away and need money for funeral".

" I have to pawn my phone to pay rent, I won't be able to talk to you for a while".

"I need to pay my tuition fee and I will do anything for you in return".

"My mom / dad is in hospital and I don't have the funds for their surgery or they will die".

"I am pregnant and my boyfriend left me and I don't have money to give birth".

[QUOTE=Zippos;2915311]....."I need to pay my tuition fee and I will do anything for you in return"......[/QUOTE]Why have I never been told this? Lucky you.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2915311]If I may add.

"Grandma / Grandpa / Unlce / Aunty passed away and need money for funeral".

" I have to pawn my phone to pay rent, I won't be able to talk to you for a while".

"I need to pay my tuition fee and I will do anything for you in return".

"My mom / dad is in hospital and I don't have the funds for their surgery or they will die".

"I am pregnant and my boyfriend left me and I don't have money to give birth".[/QUOTE]The one I've heard more than once. I'm hungry haven't eaten in 2 days I am starving.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2915449]The one I've heard more than once. I'm hungry haven't eaten in 2 days I am starving.[/QUOTE]They count 2 days as not eaten since dinner last night if you catch them in the morning. So they don't mean 48 h they mean less than 7 h-10 h and all of that non-eating time was sleeping.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2915311]If I may add.

"Grandma / Grandpa / Unlce / Aunty passed away and need money for funeral".

" I have to pawn my phone to pay rent, I won't be able to talk to you for a while".

"I need to pay my tuition fee and I will do anything for you in return".

"My mom / dad is in hospital and I don't have the funds for their surgery or they will die".

"I am pregnant and my boyfriend left me and I don't have money to give birth".[/QUOTE]Haha so true. Sometimes though all those excuses are true, . Most I have found to be true are medical needs for everyone and their brother. This to me has always been a puzzle. One contacted me the other day, a cousin, mind you a cousin had complication's in childbirth and needed something like 20 k. True probably as I know her, but WTF!! A cousin really, I very seldom ever hear from a cousin. Another thing I don't understand if there is a young cute girl or two in the family of 20 or so people somehow its their responsibility to take care of everyone, again WTF! Of course families know these girls may work in bars or are exposed to western men therefor you must have access to money. Get on your back or knees and make us some money. Again WTF!!That mentality just blows my mind. Medical is most of my request as there is no real healthcare there, no money they will let you die, barbaric. A bar girl I knew once lost her brother several years ago because of a ruptured appendix, that is unbelievable. I went home with one once, my God I bet there were 30 of them and allot of them were working age. I ask her about that. The men and women had more excuses why they could not work, but its ok if you screw your ass off with strange men every month??Pissed me off and I told them, you people need to go to work, funny I was not ever invited back. I will help the girl a bit if need be or maybe her children, but all that family shit I stopped long ago as they will break you if you let them.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2915311]I
"Grandma / Grandpa / Unlce / Aunty passed away and need money for funeral".

" I have to pawn my phone to pay rent, I won't be able to talk to you for a while".

"I need to pay my tuition fee and I will do anything for you in return".

"My mom / dad is in hospital and I don't have the funds for their surgery or they will die".

"I am pregnant and my boyfriend left me and I don't have money to give birth".[/QUOTE]Tbh these may all be true at the same time.

If you had a machine all you had to do was flash your penis and tell it what I wants to hear and money pops out of it tell me you wouldn't kick it to see if money falls out.

If you actually spit out money for said lame excuse expect an even more lame excuse the next time.

They get better.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2915449]The one I've heard more than once. I'm hungry haven't eaten in 2 days I am starving.[/QUOTE]My favourite is "my brother has terminal brain cancer, a heart attack and is on kidney dialysis but the hospital can fix them tomorrow for 1000 p".

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2915452]Haha so true. Sometimes though all those excuses are true, . Most I have found to be true are medical needs for everyone and their brother. This to me has always been a puzzle. One contacted me the other day, a cousin, mind you a cousin had complication's in childbirth and needed something like 20 k. True probably as I know her, but WTF!! A cousin really, I very seldom ever hear from a cousin. Another thing I don't understand if there is a young cute girl or two in the family of 20 or so people somehow its their responsibility to take care of everyone, again WTF! Of course families know these girls may work in bars or are exposed to western men therefor you must have access to money. Get on your back or knees and make us some money. Again WTF!!That mentality just blows my mind. Medical is most of my request as there is no real healthcare there, no money they will let you die, barbaric. A bar girl I knew once lost her brother several years ago because of a ruptured appendix, that is unbelievable. I went home with one once, my God I bet there were 30 of them and allot of them were working age. I ask her about that. The men and women had more excuses why they could not work, but its ok if you screw your ass off with strange men every month??Pissed me off and I told them, you people need to go to work, funny I was not ever invited back. I will help the girl a bit if need be or maybe her children, but all that family shit I stopped long ago as they will break you if you let them.[/QUOTE]Definitely true to a degree but then helping them is like pouring water on a bottomless pitcher. Never fills up due to the mentality of entitlement that younger ones are to take care of them and pay for them as long as they get to have a $1 bottle of rum and sticky rice.

I hope you didn't dare to invite them to lunch / dinner because you will end up with hosting the entire tournament not just a team 😅.

I personally made a mistake of asking my spinner's cousin to bring her 4 yrs old son once to eat Jolibee. Next thing I hear, there were about 30 some ready to roll. I pulled the plug at last minute saying I'm not feeling well and we should reschedule it next week. Thank god I was in Jakarta "next" week 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2915460]My favourite is "my brother has terminal brain cancer, a heart attack and is on kidney dialysis but the hospital can fix them tomorrow for 1000 p".[/QUOTE]Yeah, there's some good ones out there G.

Generally they're not really clever though.

Had one send through dodgy pics of a young girl with a leg missing and she claimed her daughter was injured in a motorcycle accident.

Although she'd told me she only had a son, she sent through pics of the medication she desperately needed money for and it was something to do with diabetes.

I just tell the good ones (by that I mean good in the sack) that I'll get my doctor friend in Manila to send her medication.

The conversation usually stops after that.

Phil.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2915449]The one I've heard more than once. I'm hungry haven't eaten in 2 days I am starving.[/QUOTE]If really hungry fine, if not I found a way to stop this. There is a site called Ding you can use it to send phone load. Get their number and carrier a send them a bit of load its 50 up to 1000 p of load. After you purchase it will let you add a Jollibee voucher of 300,500 or a 1000. You hungry dear sure here is 100 load and 500 Jollibee. I've done this a couple times, and the food request stop. The money was never for food in the first place which I suspected.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2913938]Was it at the (former?) Southern Cross Hotel in Ermita? It used to run twice a day. Don't think its operated in some years now. Alternately some of us have talked up the Genesis bus, departing hourly from NAIA terminal 3, starting around 2 am to 7 pm. Bus runs direct to SM Clark, without stopping for pickups / dropoffs. Light traffic = 90 minutes, heavy traffic longer. Price is about p400, and return from SM Clark to T3 is also hourly. Have taken it several times. No CR on the bus. Google 'Genesis bus NAIA' for more info. Also search in the Phils threads on 'Genesis'. You will need to taxi from your NCR hotel to the airport to pick up the bus. I think it departs T3 at stall 13 or 14.

Once at SM Clark your choices to get to your AC hotel are: Walk; tryke (p150 mafia); or taxi (p300 mafia); have done all three.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2907491&viewfull=1#post2907491[/URL]

Hotel-2-hotel private cars are also available, p3500, contact BeeWay Travel (Google it for their website, or their FB presence you can PM).[/QUOTE]Genesis is great. I've done that a few times. YouTuber, overstay road has a couple videos on this. Here's the one of the vid. Also the walk to hotels isn't bad:

[URL]https://youtu.be/WYQBNpRw06s?si=j-Vu_vKnJ87hXBDc[/URL]

Anyone have trouble logging into their pina love and Thai friendly accounts?

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2915668]Yeah, there's some good ones out there G.

Generally they're not really clever though.

Had one send through dodgy pics of a young girl with a leg missing and she claimed her daughter was injured in a motorcycle accident.

Although she'd told me she only had a son, she sent through pics of the medication she desperately needed money for and it was something to do with diabetes.

I just tell the good ones (by that I mean good in the sack) that I'll get my doctor friend in Manila to send her medication.

The conversation usually stops after that.

Phil.[/QUOTE]At the same time, most of the girls truly have no money and go through a number of financial issues, such as inability to pay rent or hospital bills or no money for food. It's real but still it is not my problem. For some of these girls, it is an endless amount of financial difficulties and giving them money once doesn't solve anything because there will be more problems due to the underlying issue that they don't have a job or make very little money.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2915311]If I may add.

"Grandma / Grandpa / Unlce / Aunty passed away and need money for funeral".

" I have to pawn my phone to pay rent, I won't be able to talk to you for a while".

"I need to pay my tuition fee and I will do anything for you in return".

"My mom / dad is in hospital and I don't have the funds for their surgery or they will die".

"I am pregnant and my boyfriend left me and I don't have money to give birth".[/QUOTE]Had one the other day. Couldn't buy food just had water for dinner. Sent me a vid of her crying. OMG.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2915747]Had one the other day. Couldn't buy food just had water for dinner. Sent me a vid of her crying. OMG.[/QUOTE]I guess I should have added in my favourite reply: " Oh no, that's terrible. Will you still need help when I arrive back? We can meet up in my room and we can help each other. ".

😍. G.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2915747]Had one the other day. Couldn't buy food just had water for dinner. Sent me a vid of her crying. OMG.[/QUOTE]😂. I had that one few years back. Mine lived in Boracay. I just said, "I hope you are not drinking salty ocean water filled with feces" didn't pull that stunt again.

Speaking of financial support requests. Look at the attached picture, my spinners cousin. Met up with them in iloilo on my last visit. Tried to hook me up with one of their friend for 5 k php for few hours just to come and hangout with me and "if she likes me" she will consider spreading her leg open. I just said fuck-off politely. Now asking me for help for her lesbian sister's medical support. I salute their never ending efforts for sure 😅.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2915737]At the same time, most of the girls truly have no money and go through a number of financial issues, such as inability to pay rent or hospital bills or no money for food.[/QUOTE]Completely understand MoonShot and I compensate them accordingly when I'm in the PH.

Afterwards, when they hammer you with dodgy financial requests regarding their sick kids, it does get tedious. I generally say it's the father of their children to compensate them for their kid's needs and explain I'm not responsible for a child that's not mine. In a nice way.

I also explain that if I gave money to every Filipina who requested it, I'd be broke. Thankfully, my regular girls just appreciate my 'compensation' when I hook up with them. Phil.

Especially in the province. A lot of the working girls are from the province, especially in far out places like Samar or Mindanao. And I don't mean a city like Cebu or Davao. If you have never been out there and seen what life is like, you can probably never understand the pressure these girls are under. Family ties are strong, and they do have a sense of responsibility to take care of their families, and they are often expected to. Life is really at the subsistence level, or just above that.

Work laws and protections are pretty much non-existent. If you don't have skilled work, it is hard to get a job if you're over 30. There is a reason almost all of the workers in the mall are girls in their 20's. And, unlike western countries, it costs money to get the paperwork needed to get a legit job. So if you meet a girl's family and they are not working, this is probably why. If they don't have the ability to have their own business, they really probably can't find work. And, let's face it: in general, Filipinos aren't the best with money. Money comes and goes very, very easily.

This doesn't make their problems your problems. It is just the reason they are so eager to separate you from your money.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2915747]Had one the other day. Couldn't buy food just had water for dinner. Sent me a vid of her crying. OMG.[/QUOTE]Water (fasting) is better than pagpag.

In all seriousness there are ways that single mothers or the extremely poor can get aid and most likely already receive it. If they don't qualify for 4 Ps it means their income is above the provincial poverty line. Pantawid Pamilyang Pilipino Program (4 Ps) is more common in rural areas. They receive things like a healthcare subsidy, education subsidy, and its suppose to be money / cash card but often takes the form of a rice subsidy in the provence.

The aid in the form of a rice subsidy is the reason why most filipinos will say " I used to eat rice with salt" or "I eat rice with no ulam. " because most extremely poor filipinos do have access to rice subsidies. The LGU's know exactly who is poor enough to warrant the aid and they do give these families at least a rice subsidy even if they don't fully qualify for 4 ps they often times do still receive a rice subsidy. So if they say they receive no help but are truly in the bottom most demographic this is most likely not true. If they do not qualify for 4 ps then you know they have "some" money coming in from somewhere. I think the common foreigner impression stemming from their hubris some men believe they are the only hope and that these ladies have no options but that just isn't true. It is just easier to get the money and a lot extra from a foreigner than try to jump through the hoops to qualify for these programs.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI3y80Utu64[/URL] - this explains what 4 Ps is.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYmYD1S1eZg[/URL] - This lady talks about her experience with the Malasakit Center, These are free healthcare centers called Malasakit Centers upon assessment they can receive up to 50,000 pesos in medical assistance.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2915898]...This doesn't make their problems your problems. It is just the reason they are so eager to separate you from your money.[/QUOTE]Many have pointed out the girls' real and BS reasons for requests. However, don't forget the one fundamental reason that these are plentiful: they work. Out of the thousands of stories sent out there will be simps galore who will send a few bucks. Guys also have to take responsibility for the requests actually delivering results. It's pretty simple: if they didn't work, the girls' wouldn't do it.

It's a numbers game. We've al been discussing how we receive requests as if we are the only guy who she is talking to. Of course, that's ridiculous. If she sends out a hundred requests and only a couple deliver, that's still a good daily income. Most of us have seen groups of girls sitting around, glued to their phone for hours at a time with the occasional burst of conversation. They aren't playing Solitaire. They are farming guys and then splitting the proceeds.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2915898]Especially in the province. A lot of the working girls are from the province, especially in far out places like Samar or Mindanao. And I don't mean a city like Cebu or Davao. If you have never been out there and seen what life is like, you can probably never understand the pressure these girls are under. Family ties are strong, and they do have a sense of responsibility to take care of their families, and they are often expected to. Life is really at the subsistence level, or just above that.

Work laws and protections are pretty much non-existent. If you don't have skilled work, it is hard to get a job if you're over 30. There is a reason almost all of the workers in the mall are girls in their 20's. And, unlike western countries, it costs money to get the paperwork needed to get a legit job. So if you meet a girl's family and they are not working, this is probably why. If they don't have the ability to have their own business, they really probably can't find work. And, let's face it: in general, Filipinos aren't the best with money. Money comes and goes very, very easily.

This doesn't make their problems your problems. It is just the reason they are so eager to separate you from your money.[/QUOTE]Very true. Girls from Samar and Mindanao are very poor and with huge family obligations. Before Covid my favorites were from Samar. Lately my favorites and with very nice bodies are from Mindanao. The Mindanao girls are extremely friendly. You can but help out some of these girls.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2915913]... It's pretty simple: if they didn't work, the girls' wouldn't do it.

...Most of us have seen groups of girls sitting around, glued to their phone for hours at a time with the occasional burst of conversation. They aren't playing Solitaire. They are farming guys and then splitting the proceeds.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Gofer as always nails it. This is true. There are folks who fall for it. They see all foreigners as a horny ATM.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2915940]Very true. Girls from Samar and Mindanao are very poor and with huge family obligations. .... You can but help out some of these girls.[/QUOTE]I am sure many of us have heart to help out. For folks from US, 1000 Pesos is less than $20 which is probably a sandwich + drink cost in big cities in the US. Some of these girls don't understand the value of money. I got this from a girl whom I had met online and couldn't meet during my trip. This is her budget for her birthday party and she is asking for money. She showed me staying in a shack with leaky roofs. And she wants 10 K pesos for her birthday party -- Really?

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916200]I am sure many of us have heart to help out. For folks from US, 1000 Pesos is less than $20 which is probably a sandwich + drink cost in big cities in the US. Some of these girls don't understand the value of money. I got this from a girl whom I had met online and couldn't meet during my trip. This is her budget for her birthday party and she is asking for money. She showed me staying in a shack with leaky roofs. And she wants 10 K pesos for her birthday party -- Really?[/QUOTE]Nicely prepared budget. Birthdays are very important in PH. Beyond my understanding. Leaking roof would be my first concern than a celebration but I am not in that culture.

Did you contribute or not?

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916200]I am sure many of us have heart to help out. For folks from US, 1000 Pesos is less than $20 which is probably a sandwich + drink cost in big cities in the US. Some of these girls don't understand the value of money. I got this from a girl whom I had met online and couldn't meet during my trip. This is her budget for her birthday party and she is asking for money. She showed me staying in a shack with leaky roofs. And she wants 10 K pesos for her birthday party -- Really?[/QUOTE]I see from her budget an item for "Billy", for p2200. Guessing that is not her boyfie. A local stud who can bang several out of a girl for her Bday? Considering that many pinoy would want to help her with that for free, I am guessing that Billy is *THAT* good, and worth the 2200 (and provides multiple pops). Go team Billy!

Also, the cake, at p1000. Even big city girls are happy with a standard sized cake from Red Ribbon or the grocery store, complete with icing and Bday greeting written on it, is p700 or less. Province p550 or less. She's thinking BIG (guessing she might describe Billy the same way).

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2916210]Nicely prepared budget. Birthdays are very important in PH. Beyond my understanding. Leaking roof would be my first concern than a celebration but I am not in that culture.
[/QUOTE]My first introduction to this cultural difference was around 2014, when a provincial girl who had been brought to me for about 3 years and became a regular, wanted a similar list of items for her son's 2nd bday. The list included p500 for a videoke machine rental for the day (p400), a bday cake (p400), and a whole pig for roasting on the spit (p1800). Her total requested budget was about 3000. The girl was good enough to make the request and bring it to my attention 2 weeks prior to the party. An agreement was struck: She would visit a few nights extra in the schedule before the party, to receive the money. For 2 weeks she was a cum-bucket.

The party was festive. The karoke machine was used all afternoon and evening. The pig-on-the-spit was delicious. At some point they brought the child out and sang Happy Birthday. They opened a few gifts that were brought for the child. The child was retired out of the area after that. The child spent 15-ish minutes at his own party on his 2nd Bday. Guessing he will never have any memory of it. After the child disappeared for the evening, the true drinking began. In my inebriated state, I asked one of the girl's aunts: Is this kind of party for a 2 year old for the child? Or for the adults? "Its for the community. Its who we are. If there is calamity even we might have the party". I thought bday parties were for the bday boy or girl. Silly me.

Also, the things that the girls are willing to do for a cake or some Empirador and juice, can be incredible. And they wait until the day before usually to bring it up, making it TODAY's EMERGENCY, requiring some additional cum-bucketing. Is that a term?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2916241]My first introduction to this cultural difference was around 2014, when a provincial girl who had been brought to me for about 3 years and became a regular, wanted a similar list of items for her son's 2nd bday. The list included p500 for a videoke machine rental for the day (p400), a bday cake (p400), and a whole pig for roasting on the spit (p1800). Her total requested budget was about 3000. The girl was good enough to make the request and bring it to my attention 2 weeks prior to the party. An agreement was struck: She would visit a few nights extra in the schedule before the party, to receive the money. For 2 weeks she was a cum-bucket.

The party was festive. The karoke machine was used all afternoon and evening. The pig-on-the-spit was delicious. At some point they brought the child out and sang Happy Birthday. They opened a few gifts that were brought for the child. The child was retired out of the area after that. The child spent 15-ish minutes at his own party on his 2nd Bday. Guessing he will never have any memory of it. After the child disappeared for the evening, the true drinking began. In my inebriated state, I asked one of the girl's aunts: Is this kind of party for a 2 year old for the child? Or for the adults? "Its for the community. Its who we are. If there is calamity even we might have the party". I thought bday parties were for the bday boy or girl. Silly me.

Also, the things that the girls are willing to do for a cake or some Empirador and juice, can be incredible. And they wait until the day before usually to bring it up, making it TODAY's EMERGENCY, requiring some additional cum-bucketing. Is that a term?[/QUOTE]It's a great term, Westy. Might even have to coin it in the abbreviations: CBS Cum Bucket ****. Hahahahah cheers, mate.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916200]I am sure many of us have heart to help out. For folks from US, 1000 Pesos is less than $20 which is probably a sandwich + drink cost in big cities in the US. Some of these girls don't understand the value of money. I got this from a girl whom I had met online and couldn't meet during my trip. This is her budget for her birthday party and she is asking for money. She showed me staying in a shack with leaky roofs. And she wants 10 K pesos for her birthday party -- Really?[/QUOTE]Actually, living in a shack with a leaky roof is what a lot of people live in out in the province. It is normal and not really looked down upon in the way that most of us westerners would think. Have you ever noticed pictures of many of the girls on pinalove or similar websites dressed all up and the leaky shack in the background?

The reason everything is an emergency is that, in general, they do not plan ahead for anything. If they have 1 k pesos and someone in the family needs it, they give it. It takes some training to get a Filipina significant other to not do that. What I worked out with mine is setting up a checking account for them to put money in so that they physically don't have money with them other than for budgeted items, so that way they can have savings. But, these are my partners, not just some girl I met.

That budget for the party is kind of high. I did a christening party for my daughter and paid a lot less, and that was with lots of different types of ulam, three different cakes, decorations, entertainment, etc.

The other thing, from previous posts, is about 4 ps. It really isn't universal. My wife was widowed several years previous and moved to her province from NCR and applied for 4 ps when she got there. It took over 4 years for a slot to open up for her, by which time she didn't need it because we were married already. And the amount isn't much, at least in the province where she is. 500 per child per month and some sardines and rice. Considering kids need baon for school transportation and uniforms and such, they certainly aren't getting rich off that.

Sorry for the rambling entry.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916200]...This is her budget for her birthday party and she is asking for money. She showed me staying in a shack with leaky roofs. And she wants 10 K pesos for her birthday party -- Really?[/QUOTE]It's always very convenient that itemised budgets always end up with a nice round number. Often the max withdrawl from an ATM, as in this case.

I note the comment at the top of the budget. Was she Mindanao Muslim? "In God's Will" or Inshallah is actually a polite way to receive but decline a request. Basically, I'm happy to help but God wasn't. 🙏.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2915860]Thankfully, my regular girls just appreciate my 'compensation' when I hook up with them. Phil.[/QUOTE]Hey sorry for my dumb question. I will be visiting PH soon for the first time. Wondering how you found / how I can find a lineup of regulars when I'm there? I have been using the apps but haven't found any girls yet that look promising. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2916210]Nicely prepared budget. Birthdays are very important in PH. Beyond my understanding. Leaking roof would be my first concern than a celebration but I am not in that culture.

Did you contribute or not?[/QUOTE]Is that even a question? .

[QUOTE=Goferring;2916306]It's always very convenient that itemised budgets always end up with a nice round number. Often the max withdrawl from an ATM, as in this case.

I note the comment at the top of the budget. Was she Mindanao Muslim? "In God's Will" or Inshallah is actually a polite way to receive but decline a request. Basically, I'm happy to help but God wasn't. 🙏.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]She is devout christian. Very young girl infact.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916334]She is devout christian. Very young girl infact.[/QUOTE]One time I was chatting with a Muslim girl from Mindano. She seemed nice and I always had a fantasy of unwrapping that hijab or having her blow me with it on. So I took a chance and flew her to Manila. She did come and I did get all my fantasies taken care of. She also never asked for any money, she was a real good girl. However, since she was actually a "devout" Muslim (minus all the haram sex) she didn't want to go out to bars or anything else. And we didn't have that much to talk about. So I ended up leaving her in the room and going to LA Cafe by myself.

It took me a while to wrap my head around that ideology of celebration despite imminent financial hardship they deal with on a day to day basis but my understanding is or at least what I was told, it's their way of letting themselves loose and not to worry about anything for that day and others can take part in that with the help of all mighty cheap booze and whatever food they can consume. I guess one way to be the king / queen of the hill for one night 😅.

Another event that fascinates me is their funeral, I've never seen anywhere else as to how they can keep their dead not buried for a week and turn that event in a a gambling fest and make some money out of the departed one.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2916241]My first introduction to this cultural difference was around 2014, when a provincial girl who had been brought to me for about 3 years and became a regular, wanted a similar list of items for her son's 2nd bday. The list included p500 for a videoke machine rental for the day (p400), a bday cake (p400), and a whole pig for roasting on the spit (p1800). Her total requested budget was about 3000. The girl was good enough to make the request and bring it to my attention 2 weeks prior to the party. An agreement was struck: She would visit a few nights extra in the schedule before the party, to receive the money. For 2 weeks she was a cum-bucket.

The party was festive. The karoke machine was used all afternoon and evening. The pig-on-the-spit was delicious. At some point they brought the child out and sang Happy Birthday. They opened a few gifts that were brought for the child. The child was retired out of the area after that. The child spent 15-ish minutes at his own party on his 2nd Bday. Guessing he will never have any memory of it. After the child disappeared for the evening, the true drinking began. In my inebriated state, I asked one of the girl's aunts: Is this kind of party for a 2 year old for the child? Or for the adults? "Its for the community. Its who we are. If there is calamity even we might have the party". I thought bday parties were for the bday boy or girl. Silly me.

Also, the things that the girls are willing to do for a cake or some Empirador and juice, can be incredible. And they wait until the day before usually to bring it up, making it TODAY's EMERGENCY, requiring some additional cum-bucketing. Is that a term?[/QUOTE]

Just had a stay in Manila and saw 2 girls from Manila Courtesans.

I think for 2 hrs the price is descent and you can't beat the convenience.

Leilani.

Smoking hot body, but other than that the meeting was only ok. I'm usually a one pop and done but it's nice when the girl is into it. She spent the first 45 min just talking, but didn't seem interested in anything else. Finally went to the bathroom and came out with only her underwear. We crawled into bed and she masturbated while I helped. Finally did the deed which was satisfactory but again nothing mind blowing. As soon as I was done she headed out the door, which ended up being only 1 HR and 40 min into the meeting.

Vanessa.

Complete opposite of Leilani! From the beginning we clicked right away. She is the absolute cutest spinner type with a smile to die for. 5 foot and 100 lbs. She immediately excused herself and took a quick shower. She came out with just the towel and quickly dropped that and crawled under the covers naked. I quickly joined where we made out and felt each other up. (Just kissing and a bit of LFK) finally threw on the condom where she rode me in CG, then switched to missionary, then to doggy, and eventually to lazy doggy, where I couldn't hold it anymore and finished. She seemed really into it. The rest of the time we layed naked together under the covers and talked and laughed about all kinds of stuff. Definitely felt like a GF. She asked why I picked her vs one of the younger girls,(she's 28) broke my heart. I said are you kidding me! You're adorable! Which made her feel good. Stayed the FULL 2 hrs and then took another shower.

So overall Manila Courtesans I'the say is a good choice, just depends on the girl. I would definitely see Vanessa again in a heartbeat. , Leilani I wouldn't.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916200]I got this from a girl whom I had met online and couldn't meet during my trip. This is her budget for her birthday party and she is asking for money. She showed me staying in a shack with leaky roofs. And she wants 10 K pesos for her birthday party -- Really?[/QUOTE]Mate, it's a girl you've met online and have never met in person. She's asking you for money. Can't see any issues here _ Phil.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916200]I got this from a girl whom I had met online and couldn't meet during my trip. This is her budget for her birthday party and she is asking for money. She showed me staying in a shack with leaky roofs. And she wants 10 K pesos for her birthday party -- Really?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916334]She is devout christian. Very young girl infact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2916420]Mate, it's a girl you've met online and have never met in person. She's asking you for money. Can't see any issues here _ Phil.[/QUOTE]What could *possibly* go wrong?

I wasn't considering her initially but you changed my mind. I'll be in Manila in a couple of weeks and was researching this agency, so good info!

[QUOTE=HudsonB91;2916408]Vanessa.

Complete opposite of Leilani! From the beginning we clicked right away. She is the absolute cutest spinner type with a smile to die for. 5 foot and 100 lbs. She immediately excused herself and took a quick shower. She came out with just the towel and quickly dropped that and crawled under the covers naked. I quickly joined where we made out and felt each other up. (Just kissing and a bit of LFK) finally threw on the condom where she rode me in CG, then switched to missionary, then to doggy, and eventually to lazy doggy, where I couldn't hold it anymore and finished. She seemed really into it. The rest of the time we layed naked together under the covers and talked and laughed about all kinds of stuff. Definitely felt like a GF. She asked why I picked her vs one of the younger girls,(she's 28) broke my heart. I said are you kidding me! You're adorable! Which made her feel good. Stayed the FULL 2 hrs and then took another shower.

So overall Manila Courtesans I'the say is a good choice, just depends on the girl. I would definitely see Vanessa again in a heartbeat. , Leilani I wouldn't.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2916200]I am sure many of us have heart to help out. [/QUOTE]I'm sure you have a heart on all right.

This girl lives in basically a makeshift box with no toilet. A leaky shack is paradise in comparison. Its easy to compare western standards but compare Filipinos to Filipinos there are people much worse off. If this floats your boat and you are turned on by helping some helpless woman in extreme poverty you have an endless supply. You are not going be able to change this generational poverty with 1000 pesos. 1000 pesos is not even enough to pay off their utang with their local sarisari store. Most of these girls who live in a shack have a minimum of about 7 k-11 k utang for meat, rice, vegis at the local sarisari store maybe even several. The only thing 1000 will do is pay off a very small percentage of their debt.

([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea9K4hB52CA[/URL])

[QUOTE=HudsonB91;2916408]Just had a stay in Manila and saw 2 girls from Manila Courtesans.

I think for 2 hrs the price is descent and you can't beat the convenience.

Leilani.

Smoking hot body, but other than that the meeting was only ok. I'm usually a one pop and done but it's nice when the girl is into it. She spent the first 45 min just talking, but didn't seem interested in anything else. Finally went to the bathroom and came out with only her underwear. We crawled into bed and she masturbated while I helped. Finally did the deed which was satisfactory but again nothing mind blowing. As soon as I was done she headed out the door, which ended up being only 1 HR and 40 min into the meeting.

Vanessa.

Complete opposite of Leilani! From the beginning we clicked right away. She is the absolute cutest spinner type with a smile to die for. 5 foot and 100 lbs. She immediately excused herself and took a quick shower. She came out with just the towel and quickly dropped that and crawled under the covers naked. I quickly joined where we made out and felt each other up. (Just kissing and a bit of LFK) finally threw on the condom where she rode me in CG, then switched to missionary, then to doggy, and eventually to lazy doggy, where I couldn't hold it anymore and finished. She seemed really into it. The rest of the time we layed naked together under the covers and talked and laughed about all kinds of stuff. Definitely felt like a GF. She asked why I picked her vs one of the younger girls,(she's 28) broke my heart. I said are you kidding me! You're adorable! Which made her feel good. Stayed the FULL 2 hrs and then took another shower.

So overall Manila Courtesans I'the say is a good choice, just depends on the girl. I would definitely see Vanessa again in a heartbeat. , Leilani I wouldn't.[/QUOTE]Good example of why I don't do online sites, massage parlors anymore, I would get the Leilani every time, waste of money.

[QUOTE=ThreeInches;2916471]I'm sure you have a heart on all right.

This girl lives in basically a makeshift box with no toilet. A leaky shack is paradise in comparison. Its easy to compare western standards but compare Filipinos to Filipinos there are people much worse off. If this floats your boat and you are turned on by helping some helpless woman in extreme poverty you have an endless supply. You are not going be able to change this generational poverty with 1000 pesos. 1000 pesos is not even enough to pay off their utang with their local sarisari store. Most of these girls who live in a shack have a minimum of about 7 k-11 k utang for meat, rice, vegis at the local sarisari store maybe even several. The only thing 1000 will do is pay off a very small percentage of their debt.

([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea9K4hB52CA[/URL])[/QUOTE]I've dragged a number of girls out of poverty by giving then 4 k per night.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2916546]I've dragged a number of girls out of poverty by giving then 4 k per night.[/QUOTE]Congratulations on your remarkable philanthropic endeavors. Your generosity and willingness to share your wealth with those in need truly set you apart as a man among men.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2916458]What could *possibly* go wrong?[/QUOTE]Exactly G. Couldn't have said it better myself. Phil.

[QUOTE=ThreeInches;2916471]I'm sure you have a heart on all right.

This girl lives in basically a makeshift box with no toilet. A leaky shack is paradise in comparison. Its easy to compare western standards but compare Filipinos to Filipinos there are people much worse off. If this floats your boat and you are turned on by helping some helpless woman in extreme poverty you have an endless supply. You are not going be able to change this generational poverty with 1000 pesos. 1000 pesos is not even enough to pay off their utang with their local sarisari store. Most of these girls who live in a shack have a minimum of about 7 k-11 k utang for meat, rice, vegis at the local sarisari store maybe even several. The only thing 1000 will do is pay off a very small percentage of their debt.

([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea9K4hB52CA[/URL])[/QUOTE]These videos are hard to watch, but she is smiling. If it was me ID be ready to kill myself. We here do not know real poverty. True for 1000 peso you cannot change anything but don't think you can't make a difference in their lives, you can. Being born in poverty is not their fault and for the grace of GOD we were not. Allot of them are not stupid they are just poor and in a 3rd world country that is hard to climb out without help or luck. Several years ago had girlfriend in Vietnam, she did nails and I could tell she was very good. I think if you had a shop you could do quite well, maybe but honey but that takes allot of money. Figure it up, let me know. She did and said oh its way too much $5000 dollars is what it amounted too. I did it, she got statred and it was slow awhile until she got going but her living was free as she lived with me. No longer see her but she now has 2 shops and is doing quite well. I'm very happy for her, it changed her life. Another in Philippines did same thing, girl wanted to start a rice stand in her home town. Not as much I think like $2000 but again she too did well and was able to stop bar work. Don't say you can't make a diiference in these peoples lives, you can. Of course there is always a catch. I helped another one for years until I gave up as her goals were too high and she could not manage a business or money for shit. It does work but like anything, it don't always work.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2916746]These videos are hard to watch, but she is smiling. If it was me ID be ready to kill myself. We here do not know real poverty. True for 1000 peso you cannot change anything but don't think you can't make a difference in their lives, you can. Being born in poverty is not their fault and for the grace of GOD we were not. Allot of them are not stupid they are just poor and in a 3rd world country that is hard to climb out without help or luck. Several years ago had girlfriend in Vietnam, she did nails and I could tell she was very good. I think if you had a shop you could do quite well, maybe but honey but that takes allot of money. Figure it up, let me know. She did and said oh its way too much $5000 dollars is what it amounted too. I did it, she got statred and it was slow awhile until she got going but her living was free as she lived with me. No longer see her but she now has 2 shops and is doing quite well. I'm very happy for her, it changed her life. Another in Philippines did same thing, girl wanted to start a rice stand in her home town. Not as much I think like $2000 but again she too did well and was able to stop bar work. Don't say you can't make a diiference in these peoples lives, you can. Of course there is always a catch. I helped another one for years until I gave up as her goals were too high and she could not manage a business or money for shit. It does work but like anything, it don't always work.[/QUOTE]2 out of 3 is a pretty good success ratio. In US the average would be 2 out of 10. This does not include the immigrants. No drive here like the hungry ones from 3rd world countries.

Great understanding and support sir.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2916746]These videos are hard to watch, but she is smiling. If it was me ID be ready to kill myself.........[/QUOTE]I doubt you'd seek your demise in those circumstances, if you went from riches to those rags, maybe. If you're born in poverty you try to make do as best you can. I've always had the mind to set up one of these girls in an enterprise for which she has a talent. Do something good for somebody. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pCRdNc11NM[/URL].

What is the nearest swimmable beach with whitish sand near Manila. The one with the least travel time. Should have nightlife options. Please rule out Peurto Galera and Subic Bay. Am I better off flying up to Cebu and Mactan Isl, near Cebu or Bohol or possibly go to Laiya Beach Batangas? Seems there are some very nice beaches but little nightlife.

[QUOTE=Scc5112;2916470]I wasn't considering her initially but you changed my mind. I'll be in Manila in a couple of weeks and was researching this agency, so good info![/QUOTE]Scc. You are welcome! If you do see her (or someone else) leave a review and let us know. I'm always curious if these really good encounters are due to the girl being the way she is with everyone or if it's if they have chemistry with certain people.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2917448]What is the nearest swimmable beach with whitish sand near Manila. The one with the least travel time. Should have nightlife options. Please rule out Peurto Galera and Subic Bay. Am I better off flying up to Cebu and Mactan Isl, near Cebu or Bohol or possibly go to Laiya Beach Batangas? Seems there are some very nice beaches but little nightlife.[/QUOTE]Mate, I think you're shit out of luck from experience if you want a great beach and a good girly scene combined close to Manila. A flight to Boracay is an option but there's no girly bars, however you'll score with freelancers outside the nightclubs on the beach. Just check in advance they don't have a pair of knackers under their mini-skirts. Mactan has shitty beaches but White Beach in Bohol is nice. Not so much of a girly scene, but you'll get lucky there if you ask the right questions. It's mainly a dive destination. As with most decent beach destinations in the PH, there generally isn't a girly scene associated with them. But generally in the PH, you'll find someone up for it. Can't guarantee the quality though _ Just from experience. Phil.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2917448]What is the nearest swimmable beach with whitish sand near Manila.[/QUOTE]Consider swimming within Manila.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2918326]Consider swimming within Manila.[/QUOTE]Didn't we have a recent poster who was worried about drowning in pussy after heavy rains?? 😜.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2918360]Didn't we have a recent poster who was worried about drowning in pussy after heavy rains?? 😜.[/QUOTE]Ignore that guy. You can't trust the advice of anyone on this Board. Those fellas are neither wise nor informative. Also not funny. Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

May ye continue to swim in the poon drippings.

Yesterday reached Manila via kl after a 3 day hour delay. Some typhoon or lightning alert and we couldn't land for so long and again waited. My cab driver took me to my hotel and checked in Oakwood apartments near Burgos. After shower and dinner, me and friends started exploring Burgos street. We first went to champagne room. No clients and the girls were boring. So after one drink. Explored the full road and it was not so good line up of FL. Many ladyboys. Perhaps due to Wednesday it was dull. Then reached Maison.

Sat down with drinks and line up was ok. Mamasan called the girls we liked. One girl didn't want to come as we are Indians. But who cares. Take the ones who wish to come. Then one more mamasan came as we got more drinks together. The girls were fun and we were able to check out their bodies. The mamasans were very pushy and ordered drinks three times or four times for all of them: paid a fucking huge bill.

BFed a girl aged 25 from Samar who I liked and was cute. Same 3. 9 k and 5 k for her to stay till morning. In the room we took shower together and stared the deed. She was cooperative but inexperienced. After round one, she wanted to go due to some reason. I told her she agreed till morning. She was lamenting about some roof leak and some work. I made her wait for another round. Then sent her back. She was there for two hours basically. Is this normal? I didn't feel cheated but I felt she could have just told ST.

She promised she will come today. But I think she won't. Anyways the sex was good with all the extras I adked. I slept well and woke up now. Planning for a breakfast down with a cutie I pulled through pinaylove. She is a college student. She has asked 5. 5 k for ST with 2 pops and BBFS. I will update again.

Thanks for inputs for friends of the forum. If anyone like to hangout for a drink today eve, PM is open.

Cheers.

Good report.

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;2918803]The mamasans were very pushy and ordered drinks three times or four times for all of them: paid a fucking huge bill.[/QUOTE]Its a buyer-beware market. You will need to push back.

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;2918803]BFed a girl aged 25 from Samar who I liked and was cute. Same 3. 9 k and 5 k for her to stay till morning. In the room we took shower together and stared the deed. She was cooperative but inexperienced. After round one, she wanted to go due to some reason. I told her she agreed till morning. She was lamenting about some roof leak and some work. I made her wait for another round. Then sent her back. She was there for two hours basically. Is this normal? I didn't feel cheated but I felt she could have just told ST.

She promised she will come today. But I think she won't. Anyways the sex was good with all the extras I adked. I slept well and woke up now. Planning for a breakfast down with a cutie I pulled through pinaylove. She is a college student. She has asked 5. 5 k for ST with 2 pops and BBFS. I will update again.[/QUOTE]Remind the runner that the 5 k-agreed tip is a tip, and that you will decide how much of it to give after her second service in the morning. If she still wants to depart, give her the tip amount that you think she deserves (example: 2 k).

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;2918803] Then one more mamasan came as we got more drinks together. The girls were fun and we were able to check out their bodies. The mamasans were very pushy and ordered drinks three times or four times for all of them: paid a fucking huge bill..[/QUOTE]Great reply from Westie on this and your liaison with the girl Stallion. It's one reason I've abandoned the typical girly bars. I know the PH is a relatively poor country, but when a round of Mama and lady drinks of fruit juice go over $100 and you haven't even had a sniff of a bit of vag, you really have to start asking yourself a few questions. Phil.

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;2918803]The mamasans were very pushy and ordered drinks three times or four times for all of them: paid a fucking huge bill.

BFed a girl aged 25 from Samar who I liked and was cute. Same 3. 9 k and 5 k for her to stay till morning. In the room we took shower together and stared the deed. She was cooperative but inexperienced. After round one, she wanted to go due to some reason. I told her she agreed till morning. She was lamenting about some roof leak and some work. I made her wait for another round. Then sent her back. She was there for two hours basically. Is this normal? I didn't feel cheated but I felt she could have just told ST.

She promised she will come today. But I think she won't. Anyways the sex was good with all the extras I adked. I slept well and woke up now....[/QUOTE]It sounds like things didn't end too badly. Taking new girls can be a double edged sword. They can be less hardened and more fun but also don't know how the game works and are susceptible to stupid ideas from other girls.

Westie is right, you need to stand your ground about extras. Don't forget that it's literally their job to sell you as much as possible while you are in the bar. No need to be a dick about it but they will understand a polite not yet thanks. How you act in that bar is seen by everyone and can effect what happens later eg your girl may have seen you being an easy mark and thought she would get away with an early runner.

You did pretty well under the circumstances. Often girls will start an arguement just to kill the mood so that you pay in full amd throw them out. Here full payment is required because you are the one asking them to leave.

A leaky roof or other calamity is an opportunity to calmly say that the longer she stays, the more she earns. You can cut the tip for a runner but it's much easier if you agree to both ST and LT prices in the bar but say you prefer LT. That way she knows upfront what it will cost her to leave early. Remember that some stunners actually prefer ST so that they can get back in time for a second punter.

Traditionally ST is just one and done. A couple of shots over a few hours is in that no mans land in between. LT is normally still only two shots but until morning. Extra shots or longer stays happen but it's not guaranteed.

Enjoy your breakfast). G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2918393]Ignore that guy. You can't trust the advice of anyone on this Board. Those fellas are neither wise nor informative. Also not funny. Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

May ye continue to swim in the poon drippings.[/QUOTE]Nice pic bro. Happy banging.

[QUOTE=HudsonB91;2916408]
Vanessa.

Complete opposite of Leilani! From the beginning we clicked right away. She is the absolute cutest spinner type with a smile to die for. 5 foot and 100 lbs. She immediately excused herself and took a quick shower. She came out with just the towel and quickly dropped that and crawled under the covers naked. I quickly joined where we made out and felt each other up. (Just kissing and a bit of LFK) finally threw on the condom where she rode me in CG, then switched to missionary, then to doggy, and eventually to lazy doggy, where I couldn't hold it anymore and finished. She seemed really into it. The rest of the time we layed naked together under the covers and talked and laughed about all kinds of stuff. Definitely felt like a GF. She asked why I picked her vs one of the younger girls,(she's 28) broke my heart. I said are you kidding me! You're adorable! Which made her feel good. Stayed the FULL 2 hrs and then took another shower.

So overall Manila Courtesans I'the say is a good choice, just depends on the girl. I would definitely see Vanessa again in a heartbeat. , Leilani I wouldn't.[/QUOTE]I agree! I've seen Vanessa twice and she is a doll! Total GFE, but won't go BBFS.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2918888]Remind the runner that the 5 k-agreed tip is a tip, and that you will decide how much of it to give after her second service in the morning. If she still wants to depart, give her the tip amount that you think she deserves (example: 2 k).[/QUOTE]Great advice.

Stallion, terrible 1st session in a new monger destination. Hope things turn around for you.

Thank for the feedback guys. I will keep in mind this during my days at AC.

So basically after a good rest, I had a nice breakfast and the cutie who I picked up from Pinaylove came and joined me. She was much cuter in person and wore a specs which was a turn on. Chatted with her in the restaurant and then proceeded to the room. After small talk had shower together and cleaned each other. She was 20. Showers her birthday Pics ten days back. She was good in the bed. All services done except CIM. I finished on her pussy instead BBFScIP. She wanted to go back but I held my ground and did the second round as agreeed. First shot was great but second shot was ok. May be she got tired as I fucked the shit out of her. Paid her 5. 5 k as she said it's for her graduation. Whatever I had a good time. Only issue was that she was little immature and I don't like when young girls don't cuddle after sex and start watching tik tok and Instagram. Anyways I rested after she left.

Went with friends for a spa and enjoyed a relaxed session with steam sauna and Japanese pool at my hotel. Then evening did some shopping at glorietta and green belt / FLs can be easily picked up. My bad didn't try as I had planned something else in mind.

Around 10 pm went to royal club as suggested by some friends near Burgos street. The crowd was ok ok. P300 entry for one person with an entry drink. We paid 6 k more and got a sofa near dj. I like club setting because I can choose a girl slowly as per my liking by making eye contact and then having a flirty talk. We enjoyed drinks and food. There was not much girls and basically 4 were doable. Picked a gang of 3 asked them to our room after a bit of dancing and talking with them. Liked one more girl and told one of this girl to call her too. All of them wanted 5 k each and mentioned they would be till 5 am. After settling a bill of p300 excluding the 6 k cover, we left and got drinks for room party.

Hotel guys wanted extra charge for extra two girls. Paid 2. 5 k for each. Is this normal charge? I felt it's a bit more. In Thailand we pay around 1000 baht for extra girl. Then in the room we had lot of fun by dancing with the music and all of us were naked. I banged two chicks with condoms as they were particular. I though finished with one CIM.

My friend did a threesome with other two but only did make them blow him.

In turns. After 2 hours they wanted to leave.

I like one chick my friend did. I wanted to fuck her and have an offer. But she was tired and all of them left. Bit costly than Thailand but it was fun hence 20 k fees plus 5 k room charges plus 4 K drinks and stuff was ok ok.

Then me and friend left to filling station for dinner and came back and slept off.

Can friends suggest some clubs like this and LA cafe kind of sports bar in AC as I'm leaving there today and want such setting than gogo bars and k tvs.

We are staying at ABC hotel. Any good massage spas nearby.

Woke up with a bad hangover. Guess drinking too much after a long had its effects. Took some rest and enjoyed the hotel pool and restaurant food.

Called a a girl who I took chatted from PL. She asked 5 k two pops. She was ok ok and not like pics. But I liked her nature and her looks and conduct. Had a great session with her all services given including BBFSCIP and CIM. We showered together and after paying we left. Then evening went to the intramuros area for some sightseeing and returned straight to LA cafe around 8. 30.

I would not say it was packed but girls were ok in number but little low on quality. Not what I had in mind. I like picking up FLs and I guessed this was better than clubs and gogos. We sat in the ground floor. Immediately we got attention from atleast ten women in which two were doable. I like an orange top girl she was sweet and was showing signals by hands and eyes to me. I wanted to wait for better quality. I liked this girl but she had small boobs which is a turn off for me. Then after having a small talk with a lead waitress or manager (didn't know) she gave us a seating in first floor near the band. Again there had lot of attention from fuglies. Then I rtipped the waitress and got seated in Japanese and Korean areas. As we are Indians didn't get much attention from women there. But it was decent and comfortable as few women approached us. My friend liked a school girl type of girl. She comes and sits along with her friend. I liked a Korean looking girl. She too joined me on my invite. So we all started talking and ordered drinks for them. The two girls with my friend wanted ST at their nearby place of choice and pushed for a threesome. My friend wanted only one girl. They kept pushing him for two. He was undecided. My girl asked me 10 k for LT. Two pops and stay until.

Morning breakfast. She said ok for everything other than anal and BBFS. She also told me she doesn't like DFK. She settled for 8 k though. She was very cute and had a great set of boobs. Felt them slightl. Meanwhile my friend convinced them for 5 k each and one pop each instead of threesome. They said ok. But somehow my friend didn't get the vibe as they were pushy and felt like runners. So we both dropped all of them and paid for our drinks and their drinks as they each had a cocktail and a tequila shot. Does LA cafe gives share for them like gogos. Gave my waitress also a tip and. A drink.

I searched for the orange too girl. She was missing and hence I left the place.

On the way back, Messaged one more girl from PL. She asked 3 k for 2 pops and I said ok. She was nothing like the pics. But she was small and short: small boobs. Though her nature and conduct was good. I liked her. She played nice music and gave me a nice massage and we fucked once and finished BBFSCIP. Then I slept tor a bit and woke up by her and she started blowing me. Then we did second round almost the same. I paid and she left after sometime.

I slept like a baby and felt peaceful.

So far in three days, I felt my experience was ok. Gogos have always been a strict Nono for me since Pattaya days. I will follow the same. I prefer FLs. My game is better in that.

Can anyone suggest such a place in AC as I'm leaving there now typing the report.

Which areas are better for FLs in AC? Malls??

Is there nice clubs to go dancing where I can find part time girls who does this for side business. Have picked up many such girls in Pattaya ibar red carpet Jannat etc.

Is there any place like soi 6 of Pattaya? For day time action?

Regards.

Surya.

Phillipines is way different from what Indians are use to in Thailand.

Pinoys are way more tricky and smart. Never take girl LT unless she is into you and likes your company.

ST and 2 pops are much doable for girls.

Burgos is most touristy and expensive part of town. Next time do little homework before come and have few connections.

Pinoys offers excellent GFE compare to Thais if she is into you.

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;2918803]Yesterday reached Manila via kl after a 3 day hour delay. Some typhoon or lightning alert and we couldn't land for so long and again waited. My cab driver took me to my hotel and checked in Oakwood apartments near Burgos. After shower and dinner, me and friends started exploring Burgos street. We first went to champagne room. No clients and the girls were boring. So after one drink. Explored the full road and it was not so good line up of FL. Many ladyboys. Perhaps due to Wednesday it was dull. Then reached Maison.

Sat down with drinks and line up was ok. Mamasan called the girls we liked. One girl didn't want to come as we are Indians. But who cares. Take the ones who wish to come. Then one more mamasan came as we got more drinks together. The girls were fun and we were able to check out their bodies. The mamasans were very pushy and ordered drinks three times or four times for all of them: paid a fucking huge bill.

BFed a girl aged 25 from Samar who I liked and was cute. Same 3. 9 k and 5 k for her to stay till morning. In the room we took shower together and stared the deed. She was cooperative but inexperienced. After round one, she wanted to go due to some reason. I told her she agreed till morning. She was lamenting about some roof leak and some work. I made her wait for another round. Then sent her back. She was there for two hours basically. Is this normal? I didn't feel cheated but I felt she could have just told ST.

She promised she will come today. But I think she won't. Anyways the sex was good with all the extras I adked. I slept well and woke up now. Planning for a breakfast down with a cutie I pulled through pinaylove. She is a college student. She has asked 5. 5 k for ST with 2 pops and BBFS. I will update again.

Thanks for inputs for friends of the forum. If anyone like to hangout for a drink today eve, PM is open.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2919326]Great advice.

Stallion, terrible 1st session in a new monger destination. Hope things turn around for you.[/QUOTE]I would not rate the session terrible.

Her service was very good and she did almost everything I demanded. I did 2 pops with her too. Only issue was the second pop was hurried as she wanted to leave and I had to finish fast.

I never had any issue being Indian with Thais. But this is new. So I will learn and go on forward. That's why I ditched the girls at LA cafe. I felt they are much pushy and just after money.

I understand that this GFE thing is slightly overrated. Though it might look like they are into in reality they might not be and it's just a feel what you get.

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;2919407]

So far in three days, I felt my experience was ok. Gogos have always been a strict Nono for me since Pattaya days. I will follow the same. I prefer FLs. My game is better in that.

Can anyone suggest such a place in AC as I'm leaving there now typing the report.

Which areas are better for FLs in AC? Malls??

Is there nice clubs to go dancing where I can find part time girls who does this for side business. Have picked up many such girls in Pattaya ibar red carpet Jannat etc.

Is there any place like soi 6 of Pattaya? For day time action?

Regards.

Surya.[/QUOTE]Thanks for contributing to the forum.

AC mainly revolves around Gogo clubs. But it is not all that bad, they don't push hard the lady drinks. If you say no or later after buying the one drink to the girl sitting with you, they generally leave you to have a conversation with the girl so long as you don't sit around for hours without buying additional drinks. Of course if you are gullible the girls will ask for more drinks. Bar fines are around 4 K to 5 K depends on the bar. Now a days it is usually ST but at times the girls might stay for LT.

Dance club to pickup freelancer and semi-pro is Mega Dance. There is another club Hammer but its more towards Korean cliental.

Since you are staying in ABC Hotel, you could also check out Auqa club in the hotel for FLs.

I suggest you read the forum to get a hang on which gogo to visit. Many are Asian (East asian) oriented and a few have mainly Non-Asian cliental. It doesn't mean that the Asian oriented bars do not welcome you but the girls in there generally prefer Asian customers. Being an Indian, you are better off with Non-Asian Gogos.

You can also try Tinder / Pinalove for FLs. These are usually retired bar girls and ladyboys. In my personal opinion, it is waste of time checking out dating apps in AC. You could easily score elsewhere and you can see what you are getting.

While I am still researching, I came across several bars with a butt-load of girls on A Mabina Street. They seem to be Korean karaoke bars. And somewhat expensive as well.

Does anyone have more information about those bars?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2921206]
Does anyone have more information about those bars?
[/QUOTE]If you enjoy disappointment and being taken advantage of this is one of the only places in the "philippines" you can be sure that happens. The least fun adult area in the philippines.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2921206]While I am still researching, I came across several bars with a butt-load of girls on A Mabina Street. They seem to be Korean karaoke bars. And somewhat expensive as well.

Does anyone have more information about those bars?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Korean bar? If that's the chance they most likely only want to Carter to Koreans they come and spends lots because their flights are cheap I watched bunch of videos where most girls only want to go with them because compare to South Korea the girls are cheap they'll pay pretty high prices compare to the market and they only want them in it (the girls don't look at westerns) maybe I am wrong but that's what I saw of expats living there going to Korean bars the girls didn't give him the time of day.

KTVs on Mabini St are only for drinking and lady company. They do have private rooms but you must bring really fat wallet with you.

They have strick rule not to go out with custumer as they are scared of getting fired. Almost all of them will ask for your whatsapp and luar you back to bar.

Seldom you get to meet her in your hotel if she trust you. For price of KTV you can get nice girl off PL, Massage republic or escort website.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2921206]While I am still researching, I came across several bars with a butt-load of girls on A Mabina Street. They seem to be Korean karaoke bars. And somewhat expensive as well.

Does anyone have more information about those bars?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

I was in Manila recently and stayed in Makati. Visited many bars in Burgos street. One day I took a taxi and went to Malate to check the KTV / JTV scene. There were many of them on both sides of the road. As soon as I stepped outside a guy was insisting me to check some of them. He took me into few of them. All of them has similar set up. After checking few of the places I decided to sit in one of them. All the girls was lined up for me to choose. I select a young / slim beauty to sit with me. She was a university student and doing this job to support the school expenses. She asked for a drink and I ordered a beer for her. The inside was very bright not like Burgos bars. Some light touching was allowed. They had 90 minutes unlimited drinks but I only had a beer. The girl said most of the clients are older Japanese. There was only one other customer there besides me. I just felt like the playability was very low. I didn't ask the girl for her number or asked if she can go out. I think it takes probably multiple visits for her to be comfortable.

After that I went another one and the mama showed me all their VIP rooms. The rooms has complete privacy. I decided to take a VIP room and selected the most attractive girl from the line up. Bought her a drink for her and she won't even let me touch her. After some time I called the mama and choose a different girl from the line up. Again bought a drink for her. She told me the first girl was very new. They both were from Mindanao provinces. She said the JTV provided accommodation for the girls. Again nothing really happened and a total waste. Left there and checked many more places. Most of them has no customers or just one or two. They also add a 30% charge to the bill. Overall the girls looks better than Burgos girls. I think these places are a complete waste of money unless you want to just sit with a girl and drink. No wonder there was no customers in most them. Wasted 10 k not nothing.

[QUOTE=AlexBrown;2921358]I was in Manila recently and stayed in Makati. Visited many bars in Burgos street. One day I took a taxi and went to Malate to check the KTV / JTV scene. There were many of them on both sides of the road. As soon as I stepped outside a guy was insisting me to check some of them. He took me into few of them. All of them has similar set up. After checking few of the places I decided to sit in one of them. All the girls was lined up for me to choose. I select a young / slim beauty to sit with me. She was a university student and doing this job to support the school expenses. She asked for a drink and I ordered a beer for her. The inside was very bright not like Burgos bars. Some light touching was allowed. They had 90 minutes unlimited drinks but I only had a beer. The girl said most of the clients are older Japanese. There was only one other customer there besides me. I just felt like the playability was very low. I didn't ask the girl for her number or asked if she can go out. I think it takes probably multiple visits for her to be comfortable.

After that I went another one and the mama showed me all their VIP rooms. The rooms has complete privacy. I decided to take a VIP room and selected the most attractive girl from the line up. Bought her a drink for her and she won't even let me touch her. After some time I called the mama and choose a different girl from the line up. Again bought a drink for her. She told me the first girl was very new. They both were from Mindanao provinces. She said the JTV provided accommodation for the girls. Again nothing really happened and a total waste. Left there and checked many more places. Most of them has no customers or just one or two. They also add a 30% charge to the bill. Overall the girls looks better than Burgos girls. I think these places are a complete waste of money unless you want to just sit with a girl and drink. No wonder there was no customers in most them. Wasted 10 k not nothing.[/QUOTE]Good report Alex. This is a fairly accurate description. The KTV's are concentrated in Malate's Korea-town. Roughly del Pilar, Manbini, and Adriactico streets, for several blocks south of Pedro Gil St (Robinson's mall). There are bunches of them. You will usually see mostly groups of Japanese men (and sometimes Koreans) sitting with PYT's, buying them drinks all night long. The fellas smoke up a storm. The girls are not really for sex, just talk if sitting in the main drinking area, or some light play in the privado room. Costs: p500 to 'drink-all-you-can' for each 90 minutes for yourself. LD's are often p1000, and the girl will stay and chat with you for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, you can buy her (or another girl) another p1000 drink for another 30 minutes. The asian guys who frequent these places are very comfortable with this scenario. This is not a mongering scenario as the girls are not available for takeout. You watch those asian guys sit for hours, chatting up this or that girl and buying LD's. At the end of their evening, the group departs. They often tip large to the girl they have been chatting (p5-10 k is not unusual), and tip a mama / manager. All for NO S*X. Part of their culture I guess. For the girls, speaking some modicum of Japanese or Korean is required to get the job.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2921467]Good report Alex. This is a fairly accurate description. The KTV's are concentrated in Malate's Korea-town. Roughly del Pilar, Manbini, and Adriactico streets, for several blocks south of Pedro Gil St (Robinson's mall). There are bunches of them. You will usually see mostly groups of Japanese men (and sometimes Koreans) sitting with PYT's, buying them drinks all night long. The fellas smoke up a storm. The girls are not really for sex, just talk if sitting in the main drinking area, or some light play in the privado room. Costs: p500 to 'drink-all-you-can' for each 90 minutes for yourself. LD's are often p1000, and the girl will stay and chat with you for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, you can buy her (or another girl) another p1000 drink for another 30 minutes. The asian guys who frequent these places are very comfortable with this scenario. This is not a mongering scenario as the girls are not available for takeout. You watch those asian guys sit for hours, chatting up this or that girl and buying LD's. At the end of their evening, the group departs. They often tip large to the girl they have been chatting (p5-10 k is not unusual), and tip a mama / manager. All for NO S*X. Part of their culture I guess. For the girls, speaking some modicum of Japanese or Korean is required to get the job.[/QUOTE]The girl told me most customers are older Japanese or Korean. In fact when I was there an older Japanese gentleman came and sat with 2 or 3 girls. He was falling and couldn't even walk. I don't know he was drunk or not. He left after few minutes. The girls are better looking than Burgos bar girls. I was just intrigued by all the YouTube videos of these JTV's. I think it's a good place to drink with girls and leave alone. I am not a heavy drinker so the unlimited drinks was a waste. LOL.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2921467] This is not a mongering scenario as the girls are not available for takeout. You watch those asian guys sit for hours, chatting up this or that girl and buying LD's. At the end of their evening, the group departs. They often tip large to the girl they have been chatting (p5-10 k is not unusual), and tip a mama / manager. All for NO S*X..[/QUOTE]Great report Alex and Westie for the extensive info.

Not that I'd ever contemplate going down this path. My idea of a LD is making sure the contact I bring back to my room has something to drink in the bar fridge while I'm having a SML beer. I usually take the girls to a 7/11 or similar on the way back so they can choose beverages of their choice for the night.

When they pick a bottle of Tanduay I know things might get a bit messy, but I generally have a great time. Much better than paying for weak LD in a bar / gogo. Phil.

Fellas,

Just returned from a 7-day jaunt to Manila and my notes are as follows. I was truly sad to depart, the hallmark of any good trip!

Before you depart the US:

Cash.

Take only new, clean, unmarked, crisp 100's as the PI banks and money changers are getting very very strict and may not accept anything less. This could be a problem if your primary funding source turns out to be worthless for mongering purposes. Not the way to start the trip!!

[URL]https://etravel.gov.ph/[/URL]

Do not download the gov. Ph electronic declarations as you do not need it unless you're a local citizen. My airline called me and pressed me to do this, albeit incorrectly.

Grab App.

Download the Grab App (PI version of Uber). It's super easy to use and very similar to Uber. Just pay the driver directly, do not set up a funding source. This will save you big bucks as you depart the airport and if you're planning on getting around the city.

Prior to departing MNL Airport Terminal.

SIM card.

Get a SIM card at the airport, Smart or Globe, I have never seen a big difference on either and have used both several times. I made the mistake of buying a SIM card at a convenience store near the hotel the next day and got taken. While it could've been disastrous, I got out of the situation relatively unscathed. The attendant took a picture of my passport using his personal phone to send with the application and it didn't dawn on me until later this could be an issue. I was still having problems with my phone so I went to the local Smart Store in MOA to resolve. All told, I had to buy another SIM card and spend another 500 p load as the employee at the convenience store basically just pocketed my money.

Airport Transfer.

DO NOT make a deal or use any of the taxi hawkers as you exit the terminal, they will charge you 5 x-6 x the regular amount. For example, the Grab app was <300 p to my hotel in Pasay and the taxis were charging 1,500 p-2,000 p with no negotiation for the same.

ATM Machines.

If your card doesn't work with one bank ATM, try another. For whatever reason, my Chas Schwab ATM card didn't work at BDO but it worked flawlessly everywhere else, no idea as to why. There are several ATMs in the MNL Arrivals Terminal, strongly suggest getting $100 USD converted as it makes life super simple if you arrive late at night.

Hotel.

Golden Phoenix Hotel. Good hotel, great breakfast and great location. There are lots in the Pasay area.

LA Cafe.

I landed around 2300, checked into the hotel, took a shower and went straight to LA Cafe to get a drink and determine the level of talent. Mind you, it's been 10 yrs since I last stepped foot in the establishment so I was more than prepared to pull out and head to Burgos Street if necessary. However, upon entering, the place was just as I remembered. On the first floor, there were no less than a 100 pinays all waiting for the "ATM" to walk in. After a trip around the bar, I went upstairs to find a table, order a drink and just relax a bit. Within 20 minutes, three very willing mid-30's ladies arrive and want to chat. One thing I've learned from mongering in numerous countries is that "birds of a feather, flock together". If one is rude or has a bad attitude, then steer clear as the others will likely be similar. Basically, all three of these ladies had really nice attitudes and the perfect personality for me. No BS and straight to the point. After about an hour and a half, I was ready to take one home for a quick ride. Over the next 5 days, I ended up doing a rotation with each of them. All had solid bodies and were well above average with looks and service. I paid 3. 5 p plus 200 p for taxi for each round, lasting 2 hours. This was a perfect arrangement for me as I didn't want them spending the night due to work commitments.

PM for more.

N_R.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2921690]Fellas,
Just returned from a 7-day jaunt to Manila and my notes are as follows. I was truly sad to depart, the hallmark of any good trip!.[/QUOTE]Great report N_R. Really helpful for those looking at this forum and are thinking of hitting the Philippines for the first time.

I've done Manila lots of times. I've never done LA Cafe though. Mainly due to some negative reports in the past on other platforms IE: web searches. Plus I have a routine of getting to the same hotel in Makati after I land (sometimes late), getting straight into the business side of the trip the next day or two, and then it's generally time for fun before a little more work in MNL before I leave.

That sounds like a great option. Also never stayed in Pasay previously.

I just don't know if I can do Manila for anymore than two days in a row these days. It's very hectic and I personally try to find a place by the water on any trips, even if that's Sabang. Having said that, I'll be in Angeles on business in August and will be planted there for about five days. I'm sure everything will be fine. Phil.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2921690]..........Take only new, clean, unmarked, crisp 100's as the PI banks and money changers are getting very very strict and may not accept anything less. This could be a problem if your primary funding source turns out to be worthless for mongering purposes. Not the way to start the trip........[/QUOTE]I suppose one will be well advised to change your old notes for new ones at a bank before flying out.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2921893]I suppose one will be well advised to change your old notes for new ones at a bank before flying out.[/QUOTE]My Man,

Yes!! Basically, new, unmarked, no tears or significant creases and you should be fine. Also, having spent too many years traveling internationally, to never depart the US without at least two sources of (liquid) cash. Currency rules change do change on occasion and you never want to be reliant on one source if abroad.

N_R.

I have never been to a KTV in the Philippines (or anywhere else). I have been to Manila / Makati maybe 6 or 7 times and always pulled a "wife" (who worked during the day) for my stay from pinalove and then would monger during the day from Burgos or one of the malls. This routine certainly scratched my itch. But the last time, the "wife" fell in love with me (or fell in love with my wallet) and it was problematic when I left, so I was determined that the next time I visited, I would only do ST with the pinalove girls during the day and do KTVs at night. BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT KTVs WERE FULL SERVICE PLACES, LIKE FKKs IN Germany.

I have a little experience with Karaoke places in Korea and China, but I was set up by local work colleagues with extremely pretty girls, and I never attempted to get one of the girls to have sex as my work colleagues were with me. I have always been amazed at how much they liked to get really, really stupidly drunk, rather than focus on fucking the girls (and the next morning behaved as if nothing had happened).

I honestly do not have any plans to visit the Philippines until 2026, as I will go to BKK on my annual trip to Asia in January 2025 with Pattaya as a side trip (usually I go to Manila as my side trip).

Are there any KTVs where full service is offered? Have I been misreading all the descriptions of KTVs for the last 15 years? I am not interested in hanging out with beautiful girls unless the night ends in sex.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2921994]I have never been to a KTV in the Philippines (or anywhere else). I have been to Manila / Makati maybe 6 or 7 times and always pulled a "wife" (who worked during the day) for my stay from pinalove and then would monger during the day from Burgos or one of the malls. This routine certainly scratched my itch. But the last time, the "wife" fell in love with me (or fell in love with my wallet) and it was problematic when I left, so I was determined that the next time I visited, I would only do ST with the pinalove girls during the day and do KTVs at night. BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT KTVs WERE FULL SERVICE PLACES, LIKE FKKs IN Germany.[/QUOTE]Whoa Nellie! Never been to the FKK's, but there would be no comparison. KTV's in the Malate Korean district are as I previously described. Besides the fact that there is no barfine (that I'm aware of) for takeout, and I've never heard of anyone bragging of hammering one of those girls in a privado room, consider that the girls are used to making thousands nightly in tips from drunken older K / J's for nothing other than looking cute and a few hours of chat in the bar. Why on earth would she want to go home with you and become a 2-pop cum-bucket overnight for a few thousand pesos?

For fun, there is an open-door restaurant on Adriatico (between Remedios and Nakpil Sts), across the street from Upstage Gold bar. Its open 24 hours. Shift change is 6 am. Have had breakfast there dozens of times (it was a go-to place when staying at Malate Bayview Mansion). At 6 am you will see the girls coming out of the KTV's at the end of their shift. They all look the same: Cute, usually short, hair ponytailed thru the back of a baseball hat, wearing shorts with cropped sweatshirts. They pile into lines of waiting taxis (lined up almost all the way back to Robinson's) to go home. But several will walk across the street to vest. They will sit down with 6-8 of her friends already waiting for her (already drinking, running up a bill), or the friends will show up shortly. Buckets of beer, breakfast foods, bottles of booze are wasted across the table. Thousands of pesos. The bill is quickly dispatched by the girl. Her earnings from the night allow her to spend half of her pay on a pinoy-style breakfast with friends. You don't see that from SW or gogo bar girls.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2921994]Are there any KTVs where full service is offered? [/QUOTE]I think yes, but not like the ones in K-town. You can easily find YT vids of the Ktown KTV's. Other board members have mentioned dive-bar, low-end KTVs with girls available for privado action, near the old EDSA plaza. Not sure if the bars still exist, or prices.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2921994]Have I been misreading all the descriptions of KTVs for the last 15 years? I am not interested in hanging out with beautiful girls unless the night ends in sex.[/QUOTE]Not sure what descriptions you have been reading. Here on ISG? YT? Various posters here have posted YT links to these places, but I don't recall any good FR's describing what you have in mind. There is also a similar place on Burgos called Junko Premiere; have never seen any girl walking out with a customer (same format: p500 for drink all you can for 90 minutes, pretty girls).

Other gents?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2921999]

Other gents?[/QUOTE]I have very limited experience in KTVs, in the Philippines and elsewhere. However, I have both gotten laid and been rejected in them.

MNL: super cute girls, Quoted $$ per 30 minutes and LD. No onsite facilities nor bar-out facilities. I didn't stay.

DVO: cute girls, $$$ per 30 minutes and LDs. I received onsite BBBJ and FS. Girl also offered her WA no for after hours hook up.

As a comparison:

China: girls paid per hour and per drink. I didn't sample but expect extras were available in the KTV room. I paid extra for a girl to follow me home to the hotel for uninspiring CFS.

China2: KTV with attached spa. Received great legit body massage then moved to a private room my introduction to Fire and Ice BBBJ. Girls were not stunners but definitely formally trained in how to please.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Nite_Runner;2921690]Fellas,

......
ATM Machines.

If your card doesn't work with one bank ATM, try another. For whatever reason, my Chas Schwab ATM card didn't work at BDO but it worked flawlessly everywhere else, no idea as to why. There are several ATMs in the MNL Arrivals Terminal, strongly suggest getting $100 USD converted as it makes life super simple if you arrive late at night.

.....

N_R.[/QUOTE]I agree with the changing $100 at the airport. If you draw for an ATM you will only get 1,000 p notes.

The USD exchange rate is not exact and you will get some some smaller notes.

As anyone who has been in a cash only economies, change or small bills is always an issue.

Always pay with the largest note that the seller will accept, that generates sufficient change. I like to have 2,000 to 3,000 peso in small notes.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2922387]I agree with the changing $100 at the airport. If you draw for an ATM you will only get 1,000 p notes.

The USD exchange rate is not exact and you will get some some smaller notes.

As anyone who has been in a cash only economies, change or small bills is always an issue.

Always pay with the largest note that the seller will accept, that generates sufficient change. I like to have 2,000 to 3,000 peso in small notes.[/QUOTE]The T3 money exchange rates are pretty decent. No problem to exchange $500 there.

At some point I get a bundle of P100 x 100 = P10,000 and never have a problem paying for anything. My advice is to load up on P100 when you.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2922088] As a comparison:

China: girls paid per hour and per drink. I didn't sample but expect extras were available in the KTV room. I paid extra for a girl to follow me home to the hotel for uninspiring CFS.

China2: KTV with attached spa. Received great legit body massage then moved to a private room my introduction to Fire and Ice BBBJ. Girls were not stunners but definitely formally trained in how to please..[/QUOTE]Hi G,

Good info. We actually buy products from China and I'm interested to know if it's a good source of action compared to the PH. I've put off a few business trips there as the visa process is a pain and prefer to work with our suppliers online. I have to spend a day to travel and submit my paperwork to their embassy and then spend a day to pick up my passport and visa if it's approved for a two night trip.

We buy vibrators from Shenzhen.

The great thing is, if I'm in The PH, it's a really close fight to Hong Kong and Mainland China. Although the Chinese are more efficient doing business, The Philippines is much easier and you know you're going to get some action 'after work' Cheers Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2922706]Hi G,

Good info. We actually buy products from China and I'm interested to know if it's a good source of action compared to the PH..[/QUOTE]It's was totally different. Pussy everywhere, technically very skilled providers but very mechanical ie absolutely no GFE. I paid a pittance but that was a long time ago. I've heard there have been significant price rises and some areas have even become stricter.

To answer your question, PH is much better purely as a fun hub.

Enjoy. G.

Long overdue documentation of a visit to Cebu and Manila a couple of months ago.

Spent two days, three nights in Cebu. First time there and I found it to be much more enjoyable than Manila at a more affordable cost. Tinder and PL were both very productive and I met 4 very excellent contacts in that time. One ditched her mom at the mall to drop by my hotel room for a quickie before quickly heading back.

I was also back in Manila for the first time in a few years. I wish Marriott still had a Makati property. Met plenty of girls via dating apps, but staying in Malate was more hassle than in Makati IMO. Prices seem to have gone up a bit since my last visit, as well, but that's the story in so many places these days it seems.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2922770]
To answer your question, PH is much better purely as a fun hub.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks G. I'll be in the PH for a business trip and was thinking of going to to Shenzhen as a side trip as it's a short flight to Hong Kong and then a train trip into mainland China. I've done a bit of research and it seems the scene there is a lot different _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2922706]Hi G,

Good info. We actually buy products from China and I'm interested to know if it's a good source of action compared to the PH. I've put off a few business trips there as the visa process is a pain and prefer to work with our suppliers online. I have to spend a day to travel and submit my paperwork to their embassy and then spend a day to pick up my passport and visa if it's approved for a two night trip.

We buy vibrators from Shenzhen.

The great thing is, if I'm in The PH, it's a really close fight to Hong Kong and Mainland China. Although the Chinese are more efficient doing business, The Philippines is much easier and you know you're going to get some action 'after work' Cheers Phil.[/QUOTE]10-20 years ago China had good fun at good value. Especially Shanghai (red rope Sauna / Massage), lots of online action (Craigslist, roadside barber shops, KTVs, Freelance bars etc. Zhuhai near Macau was well known as well as Donguan and other hot spots. But the CCCP decided that it was a bad image and now everything is pushed underground and not accessible to the average foreigner. There are still higher end KTVs etc but good luck even finding where they are let alone getting in. You may find a few desperate aunties near your hotel at night but really no reason to go there to fuck.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2922988]10-20 years ago China had good fun at good value. Especially Shanghai (red rope Sauna / Massage), lots of online action (Craigslist, roadside barber shops, KTVs, Freelance bars etc. Zhuhai near Macau was well known as well as Donguan and other hot spots. But the CCCP decided that it was a bad image and now everything is pushed underground and not accessible to the average foreigner. There are still higher end KTVs etc but good luck even finding where they are let alone getting in. You may find a few desperate aunties near your hotel at night but really no reason to go there to fuck.[/QUOTE]Thanks Expat. Great info. As we do business with the 'adult industry' in China, I'm probably better off asking my suppliers subtlety if they can line me up prior with a bit of 'fluff' when I arrive there. Nearly all the 'workers' here in Australia now are either from China or Taiwan, so I thought it might be a relatively easy option there. As G mentioned, I can imagine it being a 'mechanical' and stricter experience in mainland China. And one doesn't want to fuck up and get on the wrong side of officialdom and a dodgy legal system. If I have to forgo a few nights of 'sweet and sour' on a two day business side trip from Manila, then it doesn't really matter _ Phil.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2922892]Long overdue documentation of a visit to Cebu and Manila a couple of months ago.

Spent two days, three nights in Cebu. First time there and I found it to be much more enjoyable than Manila at a more affordable cost. Tinder and PL were both very productive and I met 4 very excellent contacts in that time. One ditched her mom at the mall to drop by my hotel room for a quickie before quickly heading back.

I was also back in Manila for the first time in a few years. I wish Marriott still had a Makati property. Met plenty of girls via dating apps, but staying in Malate was more hassle than in Makati IMO. Prices seem to have gone up a bit since my last visit, as well, but that's the story in so many places these days it seems.[/QUOTE]Hi brother, did you met these girls in the dating site for transactional sex or just for normal date?

How much did they charge?

I'll have to decide whether to go to Manila, Cebu or Angeles City and not sure which one better for mongering.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2919426]
Burgos is most touristy and expensive part of town. Next time do little homework before come and have few connections.
[/QUOTE]Hi brother. Could you recommend me some locations that are not so expensive in Manila?

Going to Philippines soon, I'm concerned about the prices in Manila and wondering if I should to Angeles City or Cebu instead.

I hear the in Manila if the bar fine is 5000 I'll still have to pay another 5000 for the girl as their price is not included in the barfine.

10000 for taking a lady to the hotel seems a bit steep.

[QUOTE=Apprenticed;2923874]Hi brother. Could you recommend me some locations that are not so expensive in Manila?

Going to Philippines soon, I'm concerned about the prices in Manila and wondering if I should to Angeles City or Cebu instead.

I hear the in Manila if the bar fine is 5000 I'll still have to pay another 5000 for the girl as their price is not included in the barfine.

10000 for taking a lady to the hotel seems a bit steep.[/QUOTE]10 k is really the all in price for a barfine on Burgos. However it's one of the most expensive choices in town and you are paying for convenience. If you walk out the door there are street walkers available for 20% of that. Online girls are available from free to 4 k. The same for striking up a natural conversation with girls in a food hall.

If ranking locations just by price it is Manila, AC, Cebu, provinces. If ranking methods it's KTVs, barfines, online, friends and referrals then natural meetups with civilians.

Enjoy. G.

Gents, it's been a long time since I've been to the Philippines, and I have a chance to be there for a couple of days in the near future. Trying to hedge my bets in case I strike out with online freelancers in the short time I have, so I'm looking into Manila Courtesans and Manila Asian Escorts as well. I'm primarily interested in overnight action, all bareback.

Looking through past forum posts, MC had reports where members said the agency confirmed no bareback, girls themselves brought condoms, or girls very reluctantly went bare with bad performance. Anyone with additional data points about whether MC girls go bare, or is it luck of the draw? MAE has a filter for girls who go bare, but just curious what's the accuracy of this, and do they try to upcharge you once in the room?

I know 12 k to 16 k is a lot to pay for LT, but that's about the standard ST price for Asians in the US before bare upcharge, and it's hard to pass up this opportunity if I can get the chance.

A joy to root, and a joy to watch shower (before and after). Shy girl turns hotter than a pepper sprout with a pulsating shower head -- every time.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2925267]Trying to hedge my bets in case I strike out with online freelancers in the short time I have..[/QUOTE]Wave 12 to 16 k at any freelancer or online girl and you won't strike out. You will be beating them out of the way and they will be covered, bare, wrapped in a pink bow, whatever you want.

Of course, you could also have any Burgos girl, while seeing what you are getting and discussing your needs face to face.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2925267]

I know 12 k to 16 k is a lot to pay for LT, but that's about the standard ST price for Asians in the US before bare upcharge, and it's hard to pass up this opportunity if I can get the chance.[/QUOTE]I pay 4-5000 for long time. Thats 18-25 with good bodies.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2925719]I pay 4-5000 for long time. Thats 18-25 with good bodies.[/QUOTE]Believe me man, I would gladly settle for that sort of price. Last time I was here precovid, ST 1500 or 2000 was common and LT 3000 ish was common. But this time I have 3, maybe 4 days in country, and I would hate to waste a day or 2 striking out with FL girls who end up flaking.

A profile short message of " I will pay 12 k a day for your time and service" will sure flood the inbox. Just saying 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2925530]Wave 12 to 16 k at any freelancer or online girl and you won't strike out. You will be beating them out of the way and they will be covered, bare, wrapped in a pink bow, whatever you want.

Of course, you could also have any Burgos girl, while seeing what you are getting and discussing your needs face to face.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

Hello folks,

Planning to come to Manila for mongering for 2-3 days. How can I best use my time?

Any recommendations for getting beauties coming to my room, kinda like smooci but a much bigger choice?

I am looking for BBBJ, CIM, swallow.

I have RTTF'ed, and see some recommendations around Manila Courtesans and the asian escorts which allow filtering by service, assuming they fulfill the listed services!

On a side note, is HCMC better for it or is Manila it is?

Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2925267]Gents, it's been a long time since I've been to the Philippines, and I have a chance to be there for a couple of days in the near future. Trying to hedge my bets in case I strike out with online freelancers in the short time I have, so I'm looking into Manila Courtesans and Manila Asian Escorts as well. I'm primarily interested in overnight action, all bareback.

Looking through past forum posts, MC had reports where members said the agency confirmed no bareback, girls themselves brought condoms, or girls very reluctantly went bare with bad performance. Anyone with additional data points about whether MC girls go bare, or is it luck of the draw? MAE has a filter for girls who go bare, but just curious what's the accuracy of this, and do they try to upcharge you once in the room?

I know 12 k to 16 k is a lot to pay for LT, but that's about the standard ST price for Asians in the US before bare upcharge, and it's hard to pass up this opportunity if I can get the chance.[/QUOTE]Tried Jade from MC, adamantly condom only, no pics, no upgrade possibility. Kept repeating it was policy. Lame lay, won't be doing that again.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2925795]Believe me man, I would gladly settle for that sort of price. Last time I was here precovid, ST 1500 or 2000 was common and LT 3000 ish was common. But this time I have 3, maybe 4 days in country, and I would hate to waste a day or 2 striking out with FL girls who end up flaking.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't a point-and-shoot option be better? Gogo bars where you can literally buy a hottie a drink and ask her specifically about what you want, ahead of time. The only cost is the drink. Even if she is not willing to go with you because of the specifics you ask, she will find you another girl in the bar who will. Cost is about p10 k, and half that is the tip you give *after* she finishes her morning pop.

You won't find a lot of hottie SW on Burgos, but approach most any of them and explain what you are looking for, tell her your spending limit (say, 5000), and she will find it for you for a small fee (p500-1000). For short-time visitors, playing the field would be a secondary option? The joy of freelancers is that you don't pay until they actually perform.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2925488]A joy to root, and a joy to watch shower (before and after). Shy girl turns hotter than a pepper sprout with a pulsating shower head -- every time.[/QUOTE]Westie, you've done it again The shower scenario is always a special part of the action. Phil.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2925796]A profile short message of " I will pay 12 k a day for your time and service" will sure flood the inbox. Just saying 😁.[/QUOTE]Haha sounds like a great idea, not sure if that's going to result in an instant ban from PL though.

[QUOTE=GrandeLoad;2925845]Tried Jade from MC, adamantly condom only, no pics, no upgrade possibility. Kept repeating it was policy. Lame lay, won't be doing that again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the data point. Sounds like a precious post about MC, looks like MAE might be the better of the 2 for what I'm looking for.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2925859]Wouldn't a point-and-shoot option be better? Gogo bars where you can literally buy a hottie a drink and ask her specifically about what you want, ahead of time. The only cost is the drink. Even if she is not willing to go with you because of the specifics you ask, she will find you another girl in the bar who will. Cost is about p10 k, and half that is the tip you give *after* she finishes her morning pop.

You won't find a lot of hottie SW on Burgos, but approach most any of them and explain what you are looking for, tell her your spending limit (say, 5000), and she will find it for you for a small fee (p500-1000). For short-time visitors, playing the field would be a secondary option? The joy of freelancers is that you don't pay until they actually perform.[/QUOTE]I've definitely considered gogo bars, and it might come down to that. But it's just my personal preference that I don't like dark and loud venues where I can hardly see the girl and get pressured to buy buy buy. Much rather meet a girl for the first time in a coffee shop, restaurant, or some place less loud.

Regarding SW, are you saying use them like mamasan? Tell her my requirements, ask her to recommend a friend, and tip her P500-100? Does this typically play out with her calling over someone nearby, or just exchanging contact info and promising someone will be at my hotel in a couple hours?

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2925965]I've definitely considered gogo bars, and it might come down to that. But it's just my personal preference that I don't like dark and loud venues where I can hardly see the girl and get pressured to buy buy buy. Much rather meet a girl for the first time in a coffee shop, restaurant, or some place less loud.[/QUOTE]Anytime you go this route, meeting for coffee first is always a good idea, as you can get a close look at the girl before pulling the trigger. The downside to this is you decide that her pics / vid call before aren't indicative of her current weight, and you decline. A few hours later you meet another and decline again. Wasted time / energy.

Someone explain the escort agency MO to me (have never partaken in Phils). Do you contact the girl directly and work an agreement for payment (or partial payment / agreed tip) after the deed? Are you contacting MC directly and paying in advance (credit card) before they send the girl to you?

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2925965]Regarding SW, are you saying use them like mamasan? Tell her my requirements, ask her to recommend a friend, and tip her P500-100? Does this typically play out with her calling over someone nearby, or just exchanging contact info and promising someone will be at my hotel in a couple hours?[/QUOTE]Best bet would be to walk the street yourself and look at every single girl in the street. Starting on Burgos at the 7-11 area and turning left on Durban St (Filling Station resto), walk down Durban St to the Durban Hotel, then turning around and walking back up Durban St to Burgos St and turning left at Oxford Hotel, to Kalayaan (Lawson convenience store), walk cross Burgos St to the gogo bar side (see Nautica and FYRE bars), and proceed along Burgos on the gogo side, back to the 7-11 area. You can walk it slowly in 7-8 minutes and see every girl (and ladyboy). See something you like? No mama or middle-man needed. Whatever she asks for, just say yes, as they would probably ask in the p4-6 k range for LT with 2 pops (evening / morning), and you are paying in the morning when she departs (fairly guaranteeing good service).

If you don't see anything you like, ask several girls to find you a hottie who is NOT on the street. They might know some, they might not. Possibly they have pics of other girls available in their phones (or the other gal's FB page). The SW's friend, while a hottie, might not be a pro, and might want a few thousand more than the SW would normally get. Which is completely less than the 12-16 k you are willing to pay. Better even, the new hottie friend, if she works out for you in the bed, might also have friends willing to meet you.

Remember the street is not a single biz, there is no management or price list on a wall anywhere. Every girl is a FL, and if things don't work out in the room, your re-course is to give less money than agreed if she only stays for 1 pop. You have a similar recourse when you get a gogo bar girl, as her agreed tip amount is paid after the deed (s).

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2925965]I've definitely considered gogo bars, and it might come down to that. But it's just my personal preference that I don't like dark and loud venues where I can hardly see the girl and get pressured to buy buy buy. Much rather meet a girl for the first time in a coffee shop, restaurant, or some place less loud.

Regarding SW, are you saying use them like mamasan? Tell her my requirements, ask her to recommend a friend, and tip her P500-100? Does this typically play out with her calling over someone nearby, or just exchanging contact info and promising someone will be at my hotel in a couple hours?[/QUOTE]I have had the most success recently on TanTan. Pina Love seems awash with freelancers. I offer 4 k to stay the night sometimes 5 k to a stunner. Just collect some contacts, they will eagerly visit if free.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2925882]Westie, you've done it again The shower scenario is always a special part of the action. Phil.[/QUOTE]Ya, and then there's the 'after' part.

Its been around 5 days since there was a post. Whats happening? Is it that folks are not traveling? Or is it that everyone is disappointed after their visit. Whatsup.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2927492]Its been around 5 days since there was a post. Whats happening? Is it that folks are not traveling? Or is it that everyone is disappointed after their visit. Whatsup.[/QUOTE]Things have fallen off since covid. Several of your thoughts there play into it. I think I posted in the Gen Info section a few months back a comparison of Phils and Thai immigration stats. In 2019 (last full year of stats before covid) Thailand had about 27 million visitors, and I think in 2023 they had bounced back to about 25 million (not bad). However for Phils, 2019 was about 9 million visitors, and last year was 5. 5 million. In fact, when I looked at monthly visitors for the first half of this year in Phils, an easy extrapolation might say it will be the same as last year, so about half of pre-covid.

Not sure that I can say why this has happened, nor that its from the negative changes in the AC gogo bar system and price increases across the board. I spent a couple of weeks in NCR recently, and Burgos was relatively dead on every night other than Friday / Saturday nights. There were more dudes at Bourbon with their GF watching the bands than there were in any bar. It was several weeks of easy pickin's for FL.

Side story. Went into Coco Rock one night for a nightcap. Couple of patrons were shooting pool. I plopped down in a seat along the wall, and a mama grabbed a chubby thang (a rock amongst the gems) and sat her down next to me. What, am I chopped liver? Quite a few attractive gals, and I got the [B]porker[/B]. Anyway she was nice, and witty, so I bought her a drink. I asked what the barfine amount was, as I remembered a previous visit to CR some months back when the mama told me that CR had the lowest barfine amount on Burgos. Right away the porker started looking around the bar left and right, like she'd discovered me to be an axe murderer. "I ask the waitress". What? Just tell me the barfine amount please?

The waitress came over and seemed confused by the question. "I get the mama". Wait. Wait. I saw you here a few months ago. You don't know the barfine? She walked off and returned with a mama. Ma'am how much is the barfine amount? She sat on my right, leaned in close, and quietly said "Its three-nine". Interesting, as that is a typical amount in other bars, no longer the lowest BF in town. Doesn't the chub know the amount? "Yes of course she does. I don't allow them to tell it". Great! Exactly the crazy crap I encountered in XS bar in AC. Its possible that this allows a sober mama to sus out how much 'newb / drunk' a guy is and adjust the barfine amount up / down as much as she sees that she can get away with. If she thinks you're a newb, she might say p5-6-7000.

"I will tell the girl to go change clothes for you". No! I was just curious as to the BF amount. "You don't want her?" What I wanted to say, was: "Got boinked twice today, by 2 different FL, at reduced rates because there aren't enough fellas around". But, my 'Woke' training kicked in, and I said: "She's beautiful, but I've had too much booze tonight. Another night. Raincheck? Bill please!" And with that, I was out.

Would like to know if any other fellas have been into CR in the last month (or any other Burgos bar) and had a case of only the mama knows the BF amount?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2927587]Side story. Went into Coco Rock one night for a nightcap. Couple of patrons were shooting pool. I plopped down in a seat along the wall, and a mama grabbed a chubby thang (a rock amongst the gems) and sat her down next to me. What, am I chopped liver? Quite a few attractive gals, and I got the [B]porker[/B]. Anyway she was nice, and witty, so I bought her a drink. I asked what the barfine amount was, as I remembered a previous visit to CR some months back when the mama told me that CR had the lowest barfine amount on Burgos. Right away the porker started looking around the bar left and right, like she'd discovered me to be an axe murderer. "I ask the waitress". What? Just tell me the barfine amount please?
[/QUOTE]Thanks Westie and a good reflection.

It's just another example of why I'm over the whole bar negotiation side of things these days. It's a shame because once upon a time, you knew the whole process from go to whoa. Thankfully over the past few years I've just relied on the contacts I've made along the way and negotiate with the girls privately. Sure, the bar scene is great for a fun night out, but when they're trying to take 'the experienced' for a ride, they're not looking after repeat customers.

As you're probably aware of my previous posts, I just bypass the bar scene now and line up my previous girls via WhatsApp in advance. Sometimes it's great fun to take my previous contacts into a bar (not one they've worked in) just for a drink. And when I have a pretty one hanging off my arm when entering it gets interesting and amusing for us both.

Followed by a night of fun and not the negotiation and bar fine bullshit. Phil.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2927587]Things have fallen off since covid. Several of your thoughts there play into it. I think I posted in the Gen Info section a few months back a comparison of Phils and Thai immigration stats. ..... In fact, when I looked at monthly visitors for the first half of this year in Phils, an easy extrapolation might say it will be the same as last year, so about half of pre-covid.
[/QUOTE]Yes, I saw your post there and it was interesting stat. The weather also has a huge role to play here. Tourists I know off want more times that they can visit. They are concerned about the typhoons (so am I.).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2927587]
Not sure that I can say why this has happened, nor that its from the negative .... I spent a couple of weeks in NCR recently, and Burgos was relatively dead on every night other than Friday / Saturday nights. There were more dudes at Bourbon with their GF watching the bands than there were in any bar. It was several weeks of easy pickin's for FL.
[/QUOTE]Yes, I do hear that Burgos don't have enough visitors and not many are being barfined. Some girls do hit me on WA and they have sob stories on how they are not being barfined. Given the times these messages come, it does look like these girls have more free time and are generally reaching out. When I block them, they show up from other handles or telegram. This is sad.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2927587]
Side story.
..
Would like to know if any other fellas have been into CR in the last month (or any other Burgos bar) and had a case of only the mama knows the BF amount?[/QUOTE]Interesting anecdote. I am planning a Sep visit around memorial day for a week. Hopefully they don't shutdown Burgos completely. BTW, have the actions shifted from Burgos to other parts of PH? Are the girls flowing over to suburbs like malate or QC or other areas far off from NCR? Any intel? Given what I see in Cebu, don't feel like landing in Cebu too. Wondering whether I should ask help from PhilJ for his contacts before I land.

Thanks Westie.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2927609]Thanks Westie and a good reflection.

It's just another example of why I'm over the whole bar negotiation side of things these days. It's a shame because once upon a time, you knew the whole process from go to whoa. Thankfully over the past few years I've just relied on the contacts I've made along the way and negotiate with the girls privately. Sure, the bar scene is great for a fun night out, but when they're trying to take 'the experienced' for a ride, they're not looking after repeat customers.

As you're probably aware of my previous posts, I just bypass the bar scene now and line up my previous girls via WhatsApp in advance. Sometimes it's great fun to take my previous contacts into a bar (not one they've worked in) just for a drink. And when I have a pretty one hanging off my arm when entering it gets interesting and amusing for us both.

Followed by a night of fun and not the negotiation and bar fine bullshit. Phil.[/QUOTE]There is something in the bar scene in PH / Makati / Manila that make it interesting for me. Even if I don't barfine, I like the ability of having girls with me and allow my hands to roll over them without anyone looking down. I can have the girls do the same to me. Its also easier to meet the girls in other bars after their duty to hang out with them (if you like them) and have fun without having to think of f*&king always. Haven't been to Thailand or Vietnam. I had a Viet contact when I was in Dubai and is now in HCMC and she has been asking me to visit her for fun. I wonder whether I have to change my plans to visit HCMC instead of PH. Batam is interesting but the language is a problem.

IMO it's not worth venturing out and looking for new scores and experiences. Seen a steady rise in price due to what the PH peeps blame, inflation. However they don't try to make any changes to draw in customers or make it worth the difference in payment.

Not to mention knowing that they will take advantage of newbies or just in general if you're a foreigner puts you in already a turn-off mindset. Take note since foreigners aren't visiting or biting as much, they rely heavily on the local market as one can see via tantan, WeChat, tinder and so many are desperate they're willing to fork over 3 k just for a 1 month "subscription" to personalized vids / pics / etc channel from a walker. If they consider themselves, "A level," and some donkey agreees, subscription prices rise 2 k more just because they may have whiter skin then dark. LOL.

I'll stick to regulars but lately as a avid gamer, prefer spending on the Steam sale.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2927646]There is something in the bar scene in PH / Makati / Manila that make it interesting for me. Even if I don't barfine, I like the ability of having girls with me and allow my hands to roll over them without anyone looking down. I can have the girls do the same to me. Its also easier to meet the girls in other bars after their duty to hang out with them (if you like them) and have fun without having to think of f*&king always.[/QUOTE]Perving. Post covid, one of my fav games when staying in Makati. The gogos are a go-to place to *not* barfine. Buying LD's and feeling up some honey for a bit. Then grab a different girl and do the same. Then walk next door and do it again. Get a few phone numbers for off-campus joy during the daytime. No need to barfine anymore if you have a steady supply of FL in the background. ST FL#1* at 10 am, and FL#2 at 4 pm, means the rest of my evening is deed-free, but perv-on. Total cost about 35-40% of a barfine.

* FL might mean met on a dating site, or LAC, or SW, or last night's phone number from a Burgos gogo, or one of my several regulars in the NCR. Whatta life.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2927773]Perving. Post covid, one of my fav games when staying in Makati. The gogos are a go-to place to *not* barfine. Buying LD's and feeling up some honey for a bit. Then grab a different girl and do the same. Then walk next door and do it again. Get a few phone numbers for off-campus joy during the daytime. No need to barfine anymore if you have a steady supply of FL in the background. ST FL#1* at 10 am, and FL#2 at 4 pm, means the rest of my evening is deed-free, but perv-on. Total cost about 35-40% of a barfine.

* FL might mean met on a dating site, or LAC, or SW, or last night's phone number from a Burgos gogo, or one of my several regulars in the NCR. Whatta life.[/QUOTE]I was trying to avoid the "P" word. You just cut right to it! I love this about PH / Makati. I haven't been to Cebu or other parts of Manila to experience. I am sure there are other places in NCR that offers the same facilities.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2927848]I was trying to avoid the "P" word. You just cut right to it! I love this about PH / Makati[/QUOTE]Avoid it. Avoid it? Its the Lord's treehouse for adult men. Pervin', baby. Helps to say it with an Austin Powers accent.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2927848]I haven't been to Cebu or other parts of Manila to experience. I am sure there are other places in NCR that offers the same facilities.[/QUOTE]Actually no. Gogo bars are pretty much limited to Burgos / Makati, AC, and a set in Cebu City on Maxilom Ave called the 'Vikings group' (Sister's bar is my fav there). Malate offers LA Cafe, upwards of 200 FL on weekends, about 100 week nights (bit like Thermae / BKK).

Phils is a bit like Forrest Gump's box-o-chocolates.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2927861]Avoid it. Avoid it? Its the Lord's treehouse for adult men. Pervin', baby. Helps to say it with an Austin Powers accent.
[/QUOTE]Hahaha! I love how you are making it simpler!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2927861]
Actually no. Gogo bars are pretty much limited to Burgos / Makati, AC, and a set in Cebu City on Maxilom Ave called the 'Vikings group' (Sister's bar is my fav there). Malate offers LA Cafe, upwards of 200 FL on weekends, about 100 week nights (bit like Thermae / BKK).

Phils is a bit like Forrest Gump's box-o-chocolates.[/QUOTE]Thats good to know. Let me try going to Cebu this time then. This is amazing.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2927975]Hahaha! I love how you are making it simpler!

Thats good to know. SNIP This is amazing.[/QUOTE]Allow me to entice a bit more here in the Manila thread. The little birdie is back with a [I]hard up[/I] date. The birdie says that the Mercury Drug on Makati Ave (first 2 pics), 7580 Makati Ave, at the corner of Gen Luna St (across from the Starbucks / Wendys, pic #2), is selling generic vitamin see, 20 MG, for p53 per pill, no questions asked (but they didn't carry vitamin V). Practically giving it away. An [B]Eat All You Can[/B] sale!

For further titillation, just up the street past Kalayaan St at the Mercury Drug next to Tien Ma's resto (pic #3, yellow arrow), they are selling generic vitamin V, 100 MG, for p120 per pill, no questions asked (but they didn't have vitamin C).

I love that birdie.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2928062]Allow me to entice a bit more here in the Manila thread. The little birdie is back with a [I]hard up[/I] date. The birdie says that the Mercury Drug on Makati Ave (first 2 pics), 7580 Makati Ave, at the corner of Gen Luna St (across from the Starbucks / Wendys, pic #2), is selling generic vitamin see, 20 MG, for p53 per pill, no questions asked (but they didn't carry vitamin V). Practically giving it away. An [B]Eat All You Can[/B] sale!

For further titillation, just up the street past Kalayaan St at the Mercury Drug next to Tien Ma's resto (pic #3, yellow arrow), they are selling generic vitamin V, 100 MG, for p120 per pill, no questions asked (but they didn't have vitamin C).

I love that birdie.[/QUOTE]Got to love that Birdie and thanks Westie. I've always brought my own to the Phils as I'd never buy anything off the street (I've had vascular surgery in the recent past so I have to be careful). Not that I really need them, but hell, it's a lot better with the vitamin v in the system, especially for a long time /12 hour session. I've generally found that Mercury Drug can dispense whatever you're after. Phil.

Has anyone seen this -- [URL]https://www.philippinesredcat.com/[/URL] -- website. It seems to be on point for places that I have visited. Do we know who maintains this? Seems to have a wealth of information.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2928062]Allow me to entice a bit more here in the Manila thread. The little birdie is back with a [I]hard up[/I] date. The birdie says that the Mercury Drug on Makati Ave (first 2 pics), 7580 Makati Ave, at the corner of Gen Luna St (across from the Starbucks / Wendys, pic #2), is selling generic vitamin see, 20 MG, for p53 per pill, no questions asked (but they didn't carry vitamin V). Practically giving it away. An [B]Eat All You Can[/B] sale!

For further titillation, just up the street past Kalayaan St at the Mercury Drug next to Tien Ma's resto (pic #3, yellow arrow), they are selling generic vitamin V, 100 MG, for p120 per pill, no questions asked (but they didn't have vitamin C).

I love that birdie.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. These stores are in well located areas. Wow, got to love PH.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2928166]Very interesting. These stores are in well located areas. Wow, got to love PH.[/QUOTE]One short block from Burgos St. Or on your walk from Burgos to your abode at CG, CGG, Berjaya, Gramercy, or Knightsbridge.

Welcome to the Philippines!

Why the Philippines?

I returned to the Philippines after a 33-year hiatus!

History first: The US Navy introduced me to Subic Bay in 1978. That was when I started my long mongering career. Being on ships, I spent quite a bit of time in the Subic Bay area; I loved the place.

In 1991, my ship was in Subic Bay during the eruption of Mount Pinatubo. Both bases were destroyed and we helped evacuate the military members and their families.

I am not sure why it took me so much time to return, maybe it was because I was exploring Latin America and I did not like the long flights to SEA. My last trip in SEA was in 2015 in Thailand. But for whatever reason, I felt nostalgic and had to return to PI.

My itinerary was:

Manila Three nights at New Coast Hotel.

AC Six nights at ABC Hotel.

Subic Bay Three nights at Central Park Reef Hotel.

Logistics & Other Stuff:

References:

I used two references: ISG members and Google search. Thank you ISG members!

Travel Insurance:

The SquareMouth web-site gave me over 50 quotes from over 50 different companies. I chose Trawick from National Mutual. It was for 14-days and cost $314.00.

Money:

All the money I quote is in Philippine pesos. During my stay, the exchange rate was around 58.20 to 1. I exchanged some US dollars in the airport and used ATMs when needed.

Flight:

I flew with Philippine Airlines. The service was excellent. It was a direct flight from LAX to Manila. It took 13.5 hours on the way over and 12.5 hours on the way back.

Immigration and Customs:

Before I left, I found a customs form online and I filled it out. When I checked in at LAX, I was told by the airline agent I needed to go to the eTravel website and complete that process for immigration.

So, I finished those two thingys and when I went through immigration and customs, nobody asked me for a damn thing. And when I left, again, not a damn thing was required.

Communication:

I have the T-Mobile Go5 GPlus55 plan; no worries whatsoever. For most of my trip, the service was through Globe Telecom. Sometimes the service changed to Smart.

Electrical voltage - 220.

Transportation:

While in Manila and AC, I used Grab and a few trikes. From the Manila airport to my hotel, Grab cost 420. I did not need any transportation while I was in Subic Bay.

The people:

I found the Filipinos to be extremely friendly, hospitable, and respectful. I leaned that in 1978 and it still holds true today. They always make you feel welcomed.

English:

During my stay, the majority of the people I talked to spoke English, whether it was broken or fluent. There were some exceptions, but not enough to be concerned about.

Trip reports:

I plan to write a separate trip report for the three cities I visited. I had my trusty note pads and I am still trying to figure out my shorthand writing so I can post the correct information.

Overall thoughts on the Philippines:

I was not sure what to expect after that long hiatus. The only thing that was similar were the girls; still playful as ever. I thought the cities were quite safe and I never felt threaten in any manner.

Would I ever return to the Philippines? Nah, the trip across the pond wore my old ass out. Overall, I had a great time! Would I recommend it to other mongers? Absolutely!

Como siempre, Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto!

Welcome to Manila, the capital of the Philippines!

This trip report will cover transportation, hotel, restaurants, and clubs / bars in Manila. For logistics and other notes, please refer to my trip report in the Manila section, #20336.

Transportation:

While in Manila, I only used Grab to get around. From the Manila airport to my hotel, Grab cost 420.

Hotel:

I stayed at the New Coast Hotel. It was a beautiful hotel with great rooms. The staff and service were excellent. Was it girl friendly: YES. But wait, there's more! LA Cafe was only 3 blocks away!

Restaurants:

I did a lot of research before I left and here are my thoughts on the food scene:

Aristocrat – excellent.

Filling Station – very good.

Dusk Till Dawn – good.

Hotel – very good.

Clubs / Bars:

In each club / bar, I asked several questions and did my best to write the answers on my trusty note pad. Thus, if I am wrong with any of my notes, feel free to chime in with the correct information. I blew through many clubs and will do my best to post the correct information.

All the clubs I went to were in Makati. In those clubs, there were two separate prices, one for the bar fine and the other was for the girl.

Bar: LA Cafe.

Lady's drink: Same as yours.

Bar fine: None.

Price for the girl: Depended on the girl, I never paid more than 3000.

Number of girls: A butt load! (pun intended).

Quality of the girls: OK to hot.

Night / Time: I went several times during my stay.

Comments: There is not enough to say about this place. It was full of freelancers and of all ages. The girls seem to be bit older than in the Makati clubs, but that was fine with me. I pulled six girls from the place and only had one starfish. But overall, the rest of them were quite good during rack operations.

Bar: G-Point.

Number of girls: 4 freelancers.

Quality of the girls: Most were older and missing teeth.

Night / Time: Forgot.

Comments: I was with a couple of girls and they dragged me into this place. The place had a band and the atmosphere was good. I did not ask any of the freelancers for prices; I was too scared! Skip this place!

The following clubs were all in Makati.

Club: Bottoms Up.

Lady's drink: 390.

Bar fine: 3900.

Price for the girl: 5000.

Number of girls: 25.

Quality of the girls: OK to very good.

Night / Time: Thursday /8.

Comments: Nice club, but it had more chunky girls than the others. Mamasan was hot.

Club: Lips.

Lady's drink: 390.

Bar fine: 3900.

Price for the girl: 5000.

Number of girls: 40.

Quality of the girls: Good to hot.

Night / Time: Thursday /8:45.

Comments: Great looking club, but nobody danced. There was a good amount of hotties in the mix.

Club: Maison.

Lady's drink: 350 for a shot.

Bar fine: 3900.

Price for the girl: 5000.

Number of girls: 25.

Quality of the girls: Good to very good.

Night / Time: Thursday /9:15.

Comments: Nice place and they had a VIP room for blowjobs. The cost was the same, 3900 and 5000. That did not make a damn bit of sense when I could pull the girl from the club for the same price. The place also had 5-6 girls wearing lingerie dancing badly.

Club: Plan-be.

Lady's drink: 400.

Bar fine: 4200.

Price for the girl: 5000.

Number of girls: 25.

Quality of the girls: Very good to hot.

Night / Time: Thursday /9:45.

Comments: This place was quite pricy to say the least. It was a great line-up and some of the girls were on rocking horses. There was a good amount of hotties in the mix.

Mamasan was handing out free shots!

Club: Champagne.

Lady's drink: 390.

Bar fine: 3900.

Price for the girl: 5000.

Number of girls: 8.

Quality of the girls: Good to very good.

Night / Time: Thursday /11.

Comments: The club was just okay in my opinion. The best part was there was no pressure to buy anything.

Club: Dimples.

Lady's drink: 390.

Bar fine: 3900.

Price for the girl: 5000.

Number of girls: 25.

Quality of the girls: Good to very good.

Night / Time: Thursday /11:30.

Comments: This was another club that I thought was just okay and there was no pressure there either.

Club: iHoaia – Check the name and please correct me as needed.

Lady's drink: 390.

Bar fine: 3900.

Price for the girl: 4000 to 5000, depended on the girl.

Number of girls: 26.

Quality of the girls: Good to hot.

Night / Time: Thursday / midnight.

Comments: Great looking place and some girls were dancing; woohoo! There was a good amount of hotties in the mix.

Club: Marquee.

Night / Time: Thursday /12:45.

Comments: When I walked in the club, I asked for a booth. I was told there were no booths available, even though I saw 6 empty booths! Hence, I walked out of the place. I did not ask any questions nor did I get a good look at the girls.

Club: Frye.

Lady's drink: 440.

Bar fine: 7700 (Fuck me to tears!

Price for the girl: 10,000 (Jesus tap dancing christ!

Number of girls: 21.

Quality of the girls: Good to hot.

Night / Time: Thursday /1.

Comments: This was the most expensive club I encountered. I am not sure who is paying those prices, but I guess some people have money to blow; count me out! There was a good amount of hotties in the mix, but they were too pricy to consider pulling one from the club.

Club: Dollhouse.

Lady's drink: 390.

Bar fine: 3900.

Price for the girl: 5000.

Number of girls: 20.

Quality of the girls: Good to very good.

Night / Time: Thursday /2.

Comments: I had some notes about the club, but at 2 AM, my mind shut the fuck down.

Club: Coco.

Lady's drink: 380.

Bar fine: 3800.

Price for the girl: 5000.

Number of girls: 15.

Quality of the girls: Good to very good.

Night / Time: Thursday /2:45.

Comments: This was a good looking club, but I was worn out to think of anything else about the place.

Overall thoughts on Manila:

The city was huge. The places I visited were impressive. I thought the city was quite safe and I never felt threaten in any manner. As a monger, I was impressed with LA Club and I liked the clubs in Makati, even though they were pricy. Overall, I had a great time! Would I recommend it to other mongers? Absolutely!

Como siempre, ¡Solo mis dos pinche pesos, por supuesto!

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2928633]Welcome to Manila, the capital of the Philippines!

Bar: LA Cafe.

Lady's drink: Same as yours.

Bar fine: None.

Price for the girl: Depended on the girl, I never paid more than 3000.

Number of girls: A butt load! (pun intended).

Quality of the girls: OK to hot.

Night / Time: I went several times during my stay.

Comments: There is not enough to say about this place. It was full of freelancers and of all ages. The girls seem to be bit older than in the Makati clubs, but that was fine with me. I pulled six girls from the place and only had one starfish. But overall, the rest of them were quite good during rack operations.

![/QUOTE]Awesome report Tom. I've never done LA Cafe as I'm usually only in Manila for business for a few days before heading off to other places and Islands and then catching up with business before I head home. So I've basically stuck to Makati with the previous contacts visiting me at my room at City Garden.

Might have to check it out. Just read some 'indifferent' posts in the past so I've basically just stuck to what I've known, but judging by your report, willing to give it a go.

I had a 24 h layover in Manila, after going through the forum I saw many folks mentioning LA Cafe so I gave it a try. I arrived around 9. 30 pm and have to say – I never saw so many ugly girls at one place. I found one that looked half way decent, started talking to her, she needed help from her friends because she didn't speak english well and they quickly wanted to find out if I came here before.

I said it's my first time but the place was recommended to me. They asked me if I know the prices and I said between 2,500 - 3,000 and then they started laughing. They said min. Is 5,000, which I found a bit odd because I could swear I saw an amount mentioned here below 3,000. I went out to make my way home and another girl came over to talk to me.

She was average looking and I thought since I was technically already on my way home I asked her if she wants to come with me. I asked her how much and she also said 5,000, to which I said that I only have 4,000 and within a blink of an eye she said that was okay for her. Now I knew they were inflating the prices. The taxi came after 10 min and I told her that I changed my mind. Left home alone, but didn't loose 4,000 to average looking chicks.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2929041]I had a 24 h layover in Manila, after going through the forum I saw many folks mentioning LA Cafe so I gave it a try. I arrived around 9. 30 pm and have to say I never saw so many ugly girls at one place. I found one that looked half way decent, started talking to her, she needed help from her friends because she didn't speak english well and they quickly wanted to find out if I came here before.

I said it's my first time but the place was recommended to me. They asked me if I know the prices and I said between 2,500 - 3,000 and then they started laughing. They said min. Is 5,000, which I found a bit odd because I could swear I saw an amount mentioned here below 3,000. I went out to make my way home and another girl came over to talk to me.

She was average looking and I thought since I was technically already on my way home I asked her if she wants to come with me. I asked her how much and she also said 5,000, to which I said that I only have 4,000 and within a blink of an eye she said that was okay for her. Now I knew they were inflating the prices. The taxi came after 10 min and I told her that I changed my mind. Left home alone, but didn't loose 4,000 to average looking chicks.[/QUOTE]Jumping on the LAC train, I got to say I agree with Attila (nothing against Tom or anyone else who enjoys it). My info may be out of date, but I was there in 2020 right before everything shut down, and the place was packed by ladies obviously in their 30's and older and sorta fugly. There was a comparatively more attractive girl within her group of friends, but I made the mistake of picking her based on her looks rather than by how much she liked me. As a result, she kept looking at the clock, asking me if I've finished, and just laid there like a dead fish. Cost was 3000 after negotiating, and she initially asked for 4000ST. I think there may be older gentlemen who like LAC due to its history, but I've definitely heard enough complaints about it to feel it's quality has rapidly declined. But then again, there the age old saying "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. ".

Coming soon. Am a lazy bugger- any hotel close to LA cafe around 70/80 US a night.

Need pool, at least 25 m square room, buffet bfast. Doesn't have to be brand new just clean and not noisy. Obviously girl friendly. Hopefully aren't they all.
Can pay a little bit more if needed.

Appreciate.

NI.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2929128]Coming soon. Am a lazy bugger- any hotel close to LA cafe around 70/80 US a night.

Need pool, at least 25 m square room, buffet bfast. Doesn't have to be brand new just clean and not noisy. Obviously girl friendly. Hopefully aren't they all.
Can pay a little bit more if needed.

Appreciate.

NI.[/QUOTE]I am amzed ato your selfish post as all you have to do is type malate into Booking com and look at what is on offer in your price range in your currency (Philippines uses PHP BTW). You seem to make a habit of this.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2929041]I had a 24 h layover in Manila, after going through the forum I saw many folks mentioning LA Cafe so I gave it a try. I arrived around 9. 30 pm and have to say I never saw so many ugly girls at one plac.[/QUOTE]This was also my experience, I've had a lot of fun and good experiences over the years in LAC. I called in last week for an evening and there was nothing there for me. A few ok looking girls but they weren't interested in mature white guys. I called in the following day early evening and again there was nothing for me again. I didn't ask for prices but one girl offered to sit with me and chat a while for 1000 php, which I obviously declined.

But I've always found LAC a little hit and miss.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2929128]Coming soon. Am a lazy bugger- any hotel close to LA cafe around 70/80 US a night.

Need pool, at least 25 m square room, buffet bfast. Doesn't have to be brand new just clean and not noisy. Obviously girl friendly. Hopefully aren't they all.
Can pay a little bit more if needed.

Appreciate.

NI.[/QUOTE]I always get an AirBnB. Half that cost and easy walking to Robinsons where you can get a great meal for $10. Birch Tower, 8 Adriatico and Bayview mansion all have nice apartments and close to LAC. The only question is why LAC, I've never seen anything I would take home. Mainly 35 yo and low to average. Way better talent on Tan Tan or Pina Love. Meet at Robinsons and straight to apartment.

I arrived in Manila in 2021 for work, retired in 2023, and I now have a condo in BGC. My setup: I have a girlfriend who lives with me. We met when I arrived 3 years ago on Tinder and she comes from a family that is just between dirt poor and middle class. She's beautiful, educated, speaks perfect English. I take care of her 100%, pay all the bills, living in a huge luxury condo, travel with her all over the world. I told her I have 1 request for all I do for her - 2 weekends a month, she goes home to the province Friday to Monday so I can fuck other women. I'm too old to settle down but I like having a girlfriend. I was blunt in the beginning and told her if she didn't like it, that's cool, but the gravy train ends. She agreed. She's actually bi so occasionally she gets the desire to fuck another girl, so instead of going home for the weekend I get a girl for her and I to fuck, have a fun threesomes. She once invited 3 other girls over so I could have a little orgy. So ya, she takes care of me, I take care of her.

But let's get to the weekends I get some pussy.

I have never picked up a girl on P. Burgos Street or bar fined a single girl in the Philippines. Not my thing. Here's where I go: (mind you, I'm a late 50's white American with a dad bod, I'm no young hunk).

1. Tinder. I am currently sitting on hundreds of matches with my settings 18-29 within 15 miles. From current and former matches I simply move them quickly to a texting app and I'm straight up. I tell them I have a girlfriend, she lets me fuck a couple weekends a month, and I'm looking for fun, not relationships. I would guess 90% of them say, "ok, sounds good, how much?" These women are very cute, young, spinner bodies. I've fucked for as low as 2 k and as much as 12 k. The 12 k was an absolute stunning model type and likely one of the hottest women I've ever fucked so ya, sometimes the little head controls the wallet. I tell every girl I'm fucking raw (I hate condoms) but I have a vasectomy so no babies and eating pussy is a must. I've never had a girl say no to fucking raw in 3 years. I have had the occasional girl who wants to hook up for free. She loves foreign men, is horny, and will come over just to fuck. Rare, but it happens. Just get Tinder Gold (or whatever the paid version is), upload some good photos, put in the bio that you're in town and hoping to meet someone, and then pay the extra money to "boost you" starting about 7 pm. I did that last night and had 54 new matches within an hour.

2. PinaLove. Same as Tinder, but I'm not nearly as successful on PinaLove. It's weird but for some reason Tinder is super easy for hook ups, but PL is hit and miss. Maybe more girls on PL looking for love, not sex.

3. Facebook. Just search in groups for "manila home massage" and you will have dozens of massage places. Some you can tell right from the ads that they're a front for slinging pussy. If they have "Nuru Massage", "Lingam Massage" or "Sensual Massage" as options, you're at the right place. However, I have found that almost all of the massage places will cater to bedroom time. I get the scheduler (handler) in a Messenger chat and I simply ask if "sensual or lingam massage" is available. Some will tell you straight up. NO, this is a legit massage business. Cool, moving on. But you will eventually get a handler who says "you can talk to your masseuse about extra services". That's when you start asking for photos and tell the handler that if she sends you a "fun girl" who is "open minded" then you will send a nice tip to the handler. I have GCash so that's how I send money. About 80% of the time, it's a complete success. I get the occasional "only hand job sir" or "I'm on my period" or "yes I fuck for 20 k". But mostly you get cute girls who are down for fun. When she arrives just be blunt. I'm not here for massage, I want to fuck. She will let you know what she can do. If she won't play, just get the massage which will be about $10 and relax for an hour.

4. Websites. I have always used [URL]https://smooci.com/[/URL] and [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/gallery/.[/URL] These girls typically want you to wear a condom tho, so I avoid unless I'm in a pinch. But I've had some beautiful women who are very very fun from these sites.

5. Seeking Arrangement. When I first arrived in Manila, I was used to using SA (or now, Seeking) when I was in the US so I kept using it for about a year in Manila. Lots of absolutely gorgeous pussy but expensive. Just like Tinder, go to chat and then state your business. I had no problem finding lots of women who were pay to play, and they were HOT AF. But yes, pricey.

Nice thing about my time here is that I have developed relationships with a couple of home massage handlers who know my wants and needs. I even had 1 handler who I started chatting with and she asked if she could fuck me because she never had a foreigner and I said sure. I paid her the same as all her girls, and she was a bit chunky, but I fucked her good and now she sends me her best girls. You can find her service online and at FB as Heavenly Spa Home Services Massage. I messaged her yesterday and told her I wanted a fresh girl, young, fun, and who will meet my needs (no massage, allows pussy licking, fucks raw, allows a creampie, and I like a hairy pussy). She immediately responded that she had a new 18 year old and she would have a talk with her about my needs. The girl arrived at my condo 30 minutes early, took a shower, and came out naked and cute AF. I took her by the hand to the bedroom and licked that pussy for a while and she was squealing and squirming all over the bed, dripping wet. I took her off the bed and told her "on your knees" as I had on shorts and she said "ok but extra tip" to which I simply replied "take out my cock and suck it". She did, little 18-year old looking up at me bobbing her head on my cock. After awhile, I put her back on the bed in doggy and just slid into her and started fucking raw. Fucked her in multiple positions then finished missionary with a creampie. We took a quick shower and then she was off. I have another 18-year old coming over tonight. That's my life 2 weekends a month. I rarely repeat a girl because I like variety.

So that's how I do it without hanging out in a bar. I guess I'm lazy and I'd rather order my girls like pizza instead of hunting for it.

With regards to the normal girl, I can tell you this. On MULTIPLE occasions, walking through the mall or at Starbucks, I have had very young cute girls make eye contact and smile and keep eye contact even as you walk away. I have had girls walk up to me and give me their phone number. I have had Starbucks barista's write their phone number on my cup. Filipinas are incredibly flirty and open about their desire to fuck, bag an older white man who can give them a good life, and sometimes they simply want to fuck a foreigner.

If you can't get laid here, I don't know what you're doing. And yes, I've had multiple trips to Thailand so I can clearly see the difference between Thailand sex scene and Philippines. In the Philippines you have to work a little harder, but the pussy is still there for the taking. Have fun boys!

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2929911]I arrived in Manila in 2021 for work, retired in 2023, and I now have a condo in BGC. My setup: I have a girlfriend who lives with me. We met when I arrived 3 years ago on Tinder and she comes from a family that is just between dirt poor and middle class. She's beautiful, educated, speaks perfect English. I take care of her 100%, pay all the bills, living in a huge luxury condo, travel with her all over the world. I told her I have 1 request for all I do for her - 2 weekends a month, she goes home to the province Friday to Monday so I can fuck other women. I'm too old to settle down but I like having a girlfriend. I was blunt in the beginning and told her if she didn't like it, that's cool, but the gravy train ends. She agreed. She's actually bi so occasionally she gets the desire to fuck another girl, so instead of going home for the weekend I get a girl for her and I to fuck, have a fun threesomes. She once invited 3 other girls over so I could have a little orgy. So ya, she takes care of me, I take care of her.

But let's get to the weekends I get some pussy.

I have never picked up a girl on P. Burgos Street or bar fined a single girl in the Philippines. Not my thing. Here's where I go: (mind you, I'm a late 50's white American with a dad bod, I'm no young hunk).

1. Tinder. I am currently sitting on hundreds of matches with my settings 18-29 within 15 miles. From current and former matches I simply move them quickly to a texting app and I'm straight up. I tell them I have a girlfriend, she lets me fuck a couple weekends a month, and I'm looking for fun, not relationships. I would guess 90% of them say, "ok, sounds good, how much?" These women are very cute, young, spinner bodies. I've fucked for as low as 2 k and as much as 12 k. The 12 k was an absolute stunning model type and likely one of the hottest women I've ever fucked so ya, sometimes the little head controls the wallet. I tell every girl I'm fucking raw (I hate condoms) but I have a vasectomy so no babies and eating pussy is a must. I've never had a girl say no to fucking raw in 3 years. I have had the occasional girl who wants to hook up for free. She loves foreign men, is horny, and will come over just to fuck. Rare, but it happens. Just get Tinder Gold (or whatever the paid version is), upload some good photos, put in the bio that you're in town and hoping to meet someone, and then pay the extra money to "boost you" starting about 7 pm. I did that last night and had 54 new matches within an hour.

2. PinaLove. Same as Tinder, but I'm not nearly as successful on PinaLove. It's weird but for some reason Tinder is super easy for hook ups, but PL is hit and miss. Maybe more girls on PL looking for love, not sex.

3. Facebook. Just search in groups for "manila home massage" and you will have dozens of massage places. Some you can tell right from the ads that they're a front for slinging pussy. If they have "Nuru Massage", "Lingam Massage" or "Sensual Massage" as options, you're at the right place. However, I have found that almost all of the massage places will cater to bedroom time. I get the scheduler (handler) in a Messenger chat and I simply ask if "sensual or lingam massage" is available. Some will tell you straight up. NO, this is a legit massage business. Cool, moving on. But you will eventually get a handler who says "you can talk to your masseuse about extra services". That's when you start asking for photos and tell the handler that if she sends you a "fun girl" who is "open minded" then you will send a nice tip to the handler. I have GCash so that's how I send money. About 80% of the time, it's a complete success. I get the occasional "only hand job sir" or "I'm on my period" or "yes I fuck for 20 k". But mostly you get cute girls who are down for fun. When she arrives just be blunt. I'm not here for massage, I want to fuck. She will let you know what she can do. If she won't play, just get the massage which will be about $10 and relax for an hour.

4. Websites. I have always used [URL]https://smooci.com/[/URL] and [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/gallery/.[/URL] These girls typically want you to wear a condom tho, so I avoid unless I'm in a pinch. But I've had some beautiful women who are very very fun from these sites.

5. Seeking Arrangement. When I first arrived in Manila, I was used to using SA (or now, Seeking) when I was in the US so I kept using it for about a year in Manila. Lots of absolutely gorgeous pussy but expensive. Just like Tinder, go to chat and then state your business. I had no problem finding lots of women who were pay to play, and they were HOT AF. But yes, pricey.

Nice thing about my time here is that I have developed relationships with a couple of home massage handlers who know my wants and needs. I even had 1 handler who I started chatting with and she asked if she could fuck me because she never had a foreigner and I said sure. I paid her the same as all her girls, and she was a bit chunky, but I fucked her good and now she sends me her best girls. You can find her service online and at FB as Heavenly Spa Home Services Massage. I messaged her yesterday and told her I wanted a fresh girl, young, fun, and who will meet my needs (no massage, allows pussy licking, fucks raw, allows a creampie, and I like a hairy pussy). She immediately responded that she had a new 18 year old and she would have a talk with her about my needs. The girl arrived at my condo 30 minutes early, took a shower, and came out naked and cute AF. I took her by the hand to the bedroom and licked that pussy for a while and she was squealing and squirming all over the bed, dripping wet. I took her off the bed and told her "on your knees" as I had on shorts and she said "ok but extra tip" to which I simply replied "take out my cock and suck it". She did, little 18-year old looking up at me bobbing her head on my cock. After awhile, I put her back on the bed in doggy and just slid into her and started fucking raw. Fucked her in multiple positions then finished missionary with a creampie. We took a quick shower and then she was off. I have another 18-year old coming over tonight. That's my life 2 weekends a month. I rarely repeat a girl because I like variety.

So that's how I do it without hanging out in a bar. I guess I'm lazy and I'd rather order my girls like pizza instead of hunting for it.

With regards to the normal girl, I can tell you this. On MULTIPLE occasions, walking through the mall or at Starbucks, I have had very young cute girls make eye contact and smile and keep eye contact even as you walk away. I have had girls walk up to me and give me their phone number. I have had Starbucks barista's write their phone number on my cup. Filipinas are incredibly flirty and open about their desire to fuck, bag an older white man who can give them a good life, and sometimes they simply want to fuck a foreigner.

If you can't get laid here, I don't know what you're doing. And yes, I've had multiple trips to Thailand so I can clearly see the difference between Thailand sex scene and Philippines. In the Philippines you have to work a little harder, but the pussy is still there for the taking. Have fun boys![/QUOTE]Well written. Very informative. Can be used as a guide.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2929911]I arrived in Manila in 2021 for work, retired in 2023, and I now have a condo in BGC. My setup: I have a girlfriend who lives with me. We met when I arrived 3 years ago on Tinder and she comes from a family that is just between dirt poor and middle class. She's beautiful, educated, speaks perfect English. I take care of her 100%, pay all the bills, living in a huge luxury condo, travel with her all over the world. I told her I have 1 request for all I do for her - 2 weekends a month, she goes home to the province Friday to Monday so I can fuck other women. I'm too old to settle down but I like having a girlfriend. I was blunt in the beginning and told her if she didn't like it, that's cool, but the gravy train ends. She agreed. She's actually bi so occasionally she gets the desire to fuck another girl, so instead of going home for the weekend I get a girl for her and I to fuck, have a fun threesomes. She once invited 3 other girls over so I could have a little orgy. So ya, she takes care of me, I take care of her.

[/QUOTE]Nice job. I never understood guys who go to the Philippines, support a girl and her family and don't demand the right to fuck around. Then they end up cheating on the side, get drama at home and regret moving there in the first place. But in your case its a fair trade. She gets a nice life, you get a live in GF and play on the side. As it should be.

Hot Damn Roberto, that is one neat setup going on there for you. Proud of your particular success and happy for you. I'm going to give Tinder a shot this time for sure.

Just to comment on P Burgos street, this is not everyone's to go SOP. Many of us prefer the quieter end of the game too and that's not being lazy at all. I've done my fare share in Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam and I definitely prefer to enjoy a quieter environment with the comfort of a fine girl. Perhaps go eat in a decent restaurant with a live music but that's as far as it goes for me.

Nice report and enthusiasm.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2929911]I arrived in Manila in 2021 for work, retired in 2023, and I now have a condo in BGC. My setup: I have a girlfriend who lives with me. We met when I arrived 3 years ago on Tinder and she comes from a family that is just between dirt poor and middle class. She's beautiful, educated, speaks perfect English. I take care of her 100%, pay all the bills, living in a huge luxury condo, travel with her all over the world. I told her I have 1 request for all I do for her - 2 weekends a month, she goes home to the province Friday to Monday so I can fuck other women. I'm too old to settle down but I like having a girlfriend. I was blunt in the beginning and told her if she didn't like it, that's cool, but the gravy train ends. She agreed. She's actually bi so occasionally she gets the desire to fuck another girl, so instead of going home for the weekend I get a girl for her and I to fuck, have a fun threesomes. She once invited 3 other girls over so I could have a little orgy. So ya, she takes care of me, I take care of her.

But let's get to the weekends I get some pussy.

I have never picked up a girl on P. Burgos Street or bar fined a single girl in the Philippines. Not my thing. Here's where I go: (mind you, I'm a late 50's white American with a dad bod, I'm no young hunk).

1. Tinder. I am currently sitting on hundreds of matches with my settings 18-29 within 15 miles. From current and former matches I simply move them quickly to a texting app and I'm straight up. I tell them I have a girlfriend, she lets me fuck a couple weekends a month, and I'm looking for fun, not relationships. I would guess 90% of them say, "ok, sounds good, how much?" These women are very cute, young, spinner bodies. I've fucked for as low as 2 k and as much as 12 k. The 12 k was an absolute stunning model type and likely one of the hottest women I've ever fucked so ya, sometimes the little head controls the wallet. I tell every girl I'm fucking raw (I hate condoms) but I have a vasectomy so no babies and eating pussy is a must. I've never had a girl say no to fucking raw in 3 years. I have had the occasional girl who wants to hook up for free. She loves foreign men, is horny, and will come over just to fuck. Rare, but it happens. Just get Tinder Gold (or whatever the paid version is), upload some good photos, put in the bio that you're in town and hoping to meet someone, and then pay the extra money to "boost you" starting about 7 pm. I did that last night and had 54 new matches within an hour.

2. PinaLove. Same as Tinder, but I'm not nearly as successful on PinaLove. It's weird but for some reason Tinder is super easy for hook ups, but PL is hit and miss. Maybe more girls on PL looking for love, not sex.

3. Facebook. Just search in groups for "manila home massage" and you will have dozens of massage places. Some you can tell right from the ads that they're a front for slinging pussy. If they have "Nuru Massage", "Lingam Massage" or "Sensual Massage" as options, you're at the right place. However, I have found that almost all of the massage places will cater to bedroom time. I get the scheduler (handler) in a Messenger chat and I simply ask if "sensual or lingam massage" is available. Some will tell you straight up. NO, this is a legit massage business. Cool, moving on. But you will eventually get a handler who says "you can talk to your masseuse about extra services". That's when you start asking for photos and tell the handler that if she sends you a "fun girl" who is "open minded" then you will send a nice tip to the handler. I have GCash so that's how I send money. About 80% of the time, it's a complete success. I get the occasional "only hand job sir" or "I'm on my period" or "yes I fuck for 20 k". But mostly you get cute girls who are down for fun. When she arrives just be blunt. I'm not here for massage, I want to fuck. She will let you know what she can do. If she won't play, just get the massage which will be about $10 and relax for an hour.

4. Websites. I have always used [URL]https://smooci.com/[/URL] and [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/gallery/.[/URL] These girls typically want you to wear a condom tho, so I avoid unless I'm in a pinch. But I've had some beautiful women who are very very fun from these sites.

5. Seeking Arrangement. When I first arrived in Manila, I was used to using SA (or now, Seeking) when I was in the US so I kept using it for about a year in Manila. Lots of absolutely gorgeous pussy but expensive. Just like Tinder, go to chat and then state your business. I had no problem finding lots of women who were pay to play, and they were HOT AF. But yes, pricey.

Nice thing about my time here is that I have developed relationships with a couple of home massage handlers who know my wants and needs. I even had 1 handler who I started chatting with and she asked if she could fuck me because she never had a foreigner and I said sure. I paid her the same as all her girls, and she was a bit chunky, but I fucked her good and now she sends me her best girls. You can find her service online and at FB as Heavenly Spa Home Services Massage. I messaged her yesterday and told her I wanted a fresh girl, young, fun, and who will meet my needs (no massage, allows pussy licking, fucks raw, allows a creampie, and I like a hairy pussy). She immediately responded that she had a new 18 year old and she would have a talk with her about my needs. The girl arrived at my condo 30 minutes early, took a shower, and came out naked and cute AF. I took her by the hand to the bedroom and licked that pussy for a while and she was squealing and squirming all over the bed, dripping wet. I took her off the bed and told her "on your knees" as I had on shorts and she said "ok but extra tip" to which I simply replied "take out my cock and suck it". She did, little 18-year old looking up at me bobbing her head on my cock. After awhile, I put her back on the bed in doggy and just slid into her and started fucking raw. Fucked her in multiple positions then finished missionary with a creampie. We took a quick shower and then she was off. I have another 18-year old coming over tonight. That's my life 2 weekends a month. I rarely repeat a girl because I like variety.

So that's how I do it without hanging out in a bar. I guess I'm lazy and I'd rather order my girls like pizza instead of hunting for it.

With regards to the normal girl, I can tell you this. On MULTIPLE occasions, walking through the mall or at Starbucks, I have had very young cute girls make eye contact and smile and keep eye contact even as you walk away. I have had girls walk up to me and give me their phone number. I have had Starbucks barista's write their phone number on my cup. Filipinas are incredibly flirty and open about their desire to fuck, bag an older white man who can give them a good life, and sometimes they simply want to fuck a foreigner.

If you can't get laid here, I don't know what you're doing. And yes, I've had multiple trips to Thailand so I can clearly see the difference between Thailand sex scene and Philippines. In the Philippines you have to work a little harder, but the pussy is still there for the taking. Have fun boys![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2929911]I arrived in Manila in 2021 for work, retired in 2023, and I now have a condo in BGC. My setup: I have a girlfriend who lives with me. We met when I arrived 3 years ago on Tinder and she comes from a family that is just between dirt poor and middle class. She's beautiful, educated, speaks perfect English. I take care of her 100%, pay all the bills, living in a huge luxury condo, travel with her all over the world. I told her I have 1 request for all I do for her - 2 weekends a month, she goes home to the province Friday to Monday so I can fuck other women. I'm too old to settle down but I like having a girlfriend. I was blunt in the beginning and told her if she didn't like it, that's cool, but the gravy train ends. She agreed. She's actually bi so occasionally she gets the desire to fuck another girl, so instead of going home for the weekend I get a girl for her and I to fuck, have a fun threesomes. She once invited 3 other girls over so I could have a little orgy. So ya, she takes care of me, I take care of her.

But let's get to the weekends I get some pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;2929930]Well written. Very informative. Can be used as a guide.[/QUOTE]I put it in the ROD. A primer for the ease of finding the wild pinay-tang, and corresponding prices. Go team NvR.

Not lookers, but friends, and bubbly and provide solid 3-some service. Beej girl has a very cute face. Something for everyone in the big smoke.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2929911]I arrived in Manila in 2021 for work, retired in 2023, and I now have a condo in BGC. My setup: I have a girlfriend who lives with me. We met when I arrived 3 years ago on Tinder and she comes from a family that is just between dirt poor and middle class. She's beautiful, educated, speaks perfect English. I take care of her 100%, pay all the bills, living in a huge luxury condo, travel with her all over the world. ![/QUOTE]Great report sir. What do you do during the day time to occupy yourself? Manage your investments back home, read or perhaps something else? Also, are you leasing the condo or did you buy it?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2931503]Great report sir. What do you do during the day time to occupy yourself? Manage your investments back home, read or perhaps something else? Also, are you leasing the condo or did you buy it?[/QUOTE]I collect my retirement and pension and do a little consulting here and there. I am leasing a condo. I have no desire to own here in the Philippines. It's complicated and then I'm stuck with a property. I'm considering spending half my time in Thailand and half my time in the Philippines. I don't want to commit to any single location.

I am returning to the Philippines after my trip early last summer. This time I will be traveling alone and plan to focus more time on Manila and probably skip AC. My plan it to hit Manila and once / if I get bored, catch a flight to Bangkok.

I have researched deep into the threads. My friend that visits Manila regularly swears by the KTVs and suggest takeout is available. What I am reading on the threads is mostly that KTVs are a waste of money and no take out is available. I guess I can find out for myself, but sure would be nice if an expert on these KTVs would comment. I wanted to hit Room 526 which is supposed to be the most luxurious KTV. I do not drink a lot, so I would only go into one of these places if there is the opportunity to bring a girl back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;2931895]I am returning to the Philippines after my trip early last summer. This time I will be traveling alone and plan to focus more time on Manila and probably skip AC. My plan it to hit Manila and once / if I get bored, catch a flight to Bangkok.

I have researched deep into the threads. My friend that visits Manila regularly swears by the KTVs and suggest takeout is available. What I am reading on the threads is mostly that KTVs are a waste of money and no take out is available. I guess I can find out for myself, but sure would be nice if an expert on these KTVs would comment. I wanted to hit Room 526 which is supposed to be the most luxurious KTV. I do not drink a lot, so I would only go into one of these places if there is the opportunity to bring a girl back to my hotel.[/QUOTE][URL]https://room526.com/[/URL]

As described in the previous reports, KTV are typically glitzy PYT's in long evening gowns, who often speak some Korean / Japanese. KTV's cater to these wealthy gents, and those fellas often tip more for girls who sit and chat with them for a few hours than the girl would make from a barfine. Hence, they might not be interested in barfining. Usually there is a set drinking fee for each 1 hour or 90 minutes (drink all you can) for the gent, and high LD prices for the ladies to sit with you. Your friend is probably right if he's been to takeout KTV's (or KTV with a private room), but my limited experience is different (LD's only). Depending on your time in Manila, a suggestion that such a place has takeout is quite different from the gogos, which cater specifically to takeout.

Looking forward to your Texas-sized trip report later.

How would Manila compare with Cebu in terms of freelancers and online dating, prices, easiness to get sex from young girls?

[QUOTE=Apprenticed;2932156]How would Manila compare with Cebu in terms of freelancers and online dating, prices, easiness to get sex from young girls?[/QUOTE]Consider RTTF in both threads. Also see user [B]Goferring[/B] (easiest to find in the AC thread) and his many posts regarding the items you mentioned (FL, online, prices) in both cities. Click on his username, and from the drop-down menu choose 'View Forum Posts'.

[QUOTE=Apprenticed;2932156]How would Manila compare with Cebu in terms of freelancers and online dating, prices, easiness to get sex from young girls?[/QUOTE]Personally, I think both places are similar, but as Westie said, check out G's posts. These two guys offer the best advice here from experience.

Over the years I've gained most of my leads via hotel security staff, so you generally get a better quality of freelancer through the door and back into the room as opposed to street girls and I keep in touch with them all via WhatsApp, so for my next trip I can have a smorgasbord lined up in advance and not having to worry about wasting time going on the chase.

Just a word of advice, I'd shy away using terms like "easiness to get sex from girls" _ For obvious reasons.

Younger SW girls can be discovered all over the Phils but if you're after 'really' young girls, there's a problem with that and Filipino prisons aren't pretty.

Phil.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2932251]Consider RTTF in both threads. Also see user [B]Goferring[/B] (easiest to find in the AC thread) and his many posts regarding the items you mentioned (FL, online, prices) in both cities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2932290]Personally, I think both places are similar, but as Westie said, check out G's posts. These two guys offer the best advice here from experience..[/QUOTE]Thanks guys. However, Apprentices asked the same question in the QC thread and I suggested Cebu there. I know nothing of QC but his preferences seemed a good fit for Cebu City.

In short it would be very hard to find better online and freelancer options than Cebu anywhere in the Philippines. I've derailed why, options, prices etc elsewhere.

As always the big caveat is that a girl saying she is in 'Cebu' could refer to Cebu City, Cebu island or Cebu Provence. Find out which one early otherwise she could easily be 9 hours and a few islands away.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2930322]Are you locked into the wider Manila area? What you describe fits Cebu City perfectly: specifically the Ayala / IT Park area....[/QUOTE]

Two crys for help today with girls having houses flooded in Manila.

Hi guys,

Just hoping everyone who's over there is keeping high and somewhat dry with Typhoon Carina going through.

It looks pretty devastating from the news vision here, however it's always general vision without mentioning specific locations.

I'm back over there for work in a few weeks and PA were sending flight notifications and updates today.

I generally don't mind rainy season in the Phils.

It usually equates to getting work out of the way and then a lot of bedroom time out of the weather and probably for that reason, my best season in the Phils.

_ Phil.

In my last trip to the Philippines in September, 2007 parts of Manila were flooded, I saw it for myself. Reports are that there are serious floods in parts of the city now, stay safe guys!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2932439]Two crys for help today with girls having houses flooded in Manila.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2932534]Just hoping everyone who's over there is keeping high and somewhat dry with Typhoon Carina going through.

I generally don't mind rainy season in the Phils. It usually equates to getting work out of the way and then a lot of bedroom time out of the weather and probably for that reason, my best season in the Phils.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2932539]In my last trip to the Philippines in September, 2007 parts of Manila were flooded, I saw it for myself. Reports are that there are serious floods in parts of the city now, stay safe guys![/QUOTE]It appears that I've found something useful for all that excess rain water.

Get in there baby: Daddy likes a clean deck.

Is there any action to be had at Revel nightclub?

[QUOTE=GDreams;2932439]Two crys for help today with girls having houses flooded in Manila.[/QUOTE]Devastating flooding and more flooding. Did you help them out or not? Or just making a report?

I have been to many places in the world but never to Manila. I'm starting to go back to bkk as I'm getting tired of Medellin. Don't get me wrong, I had a blast in Medellin and the girls there are very sexual, but things are not as cool as they used to be. With tons of mongers from the states coming down, weekend mongers, it's jacking up the prices and the girls hare having a shitty attitude. And the sad part is that that stupid mongers are getting drugged and robbed or even worse killed. So I'm thinking of SE asia. I have been to bkk many times but never to the Philippines. I had wondered about Manila but this post was great. After reading it and the last sentence, I will more likely stay in bkk and once I move there I can search the surrounding areas like manila and so forth.

[QUOTE=NvRoberto;2929911]I arrived in Manila in 2021 for work, retired in 2023, and I now have a condo in BGC. My setup: I have a girlfriend who lives with me. We met when I arrived 3 years ago on Tinder and she comes from a family that is just between dirt poor and middle class. She's beautiful, educated, speaks perfect English. I take care of her 100%, pay all the bills, living in a huge luxury condo, travel with her all over the world. I told her I have 1 request for all I do for her - 2 weekends a month, she goes home to the province Friday to Monday so I can fuck other women. I'm too old to settle down but I like having a girlfriend. I was blunt in the beginning and told her if she didn't like it, that's cool, but the gravy train ends. She agreed. She's actually bi so occasionally she gets the desire to fuck another girl, so instead of going home for the weekend I get a girl for her and I to fuck, have a fun threesomes. She once invited 3 other girls over so I could have a little orgy. So ya, she takes care of me, I take care of her.

But let's get to the weekends I get some pussy.

I have never picked up a girl on P. Burgos Street or bar fined a single girl in the Philippines. Not my thing. Here's where I go: (mind you, I'm a late 50's white American with a dad bod, I'm no young hunk).

1. Tinder. I am currently sitting on hundreds of matches with my settings 18-29 within 15 miles. From current and former matches I simply move them quickly to a texting app and I'm straight up. I tell them I have a girlfriend, she lets me fuck a couple weekends a month, and I'm looking for fun, not relationships. I would guess 90% of them say, "ok, sounds good, how much?" These women are very cute, young, spinner bodies. I've fucked for as low as 2 k and as much as 12 k. The 12 k was an absolute stunning model type and likely one of the hottest women I've ever fucked so ya, sometimes the little head controls the wallet. I tell every girl I'm fucking raw (I hate condoms) but I have a vasectomy so no babies and eating pussy is a must. I've never had a girl say no to fucking raw in 3 years. I have had the occasional girl who wants to hook up for free. She loves foreign men, is horny, and will come over just to fuck. Rare, but it happens. Just get Tinder Gold (or whatever the paid version is), upload some good photos, put in the bio that you're in town and hoping to meet someone, and then pay the extra money to "boost you" starting about 7 pm. I did that last night and had 54 new matches within an hour.

2. PinaLove. Same as Tinder, but I'm not nearly as successful on PinaLove. It's weird but for some reason Tinder is super easy for hook ups, but PL is hit and miss. Maybe more girls on PL looking for love, not sex.

3. Facebook. Just search in groups for "manila home massage" and you will have dozens of massage places. Some you can tell right from the ads that they're a front for slinging pussy. If they have "Nuru Massage", "Lingam Massage" or "Sensual Massage" as options, you're at the right place. However, I have found that almost all of the massage places will cater to bedroom time. I get the scheduler (handler) in a Messenger chat and I simply ask if "sensual or lingam massage" is available. Some will tell you straight up. NO, this is a legit massage business. Cool, moving on. But you will eventually get a handler who says "you can talk to your masseuse about extra services". That's when you start asking for photos and tell the handler that if she sends you a "fun girl" who is "open minded" then you will send a nice tip to the handler. I have GCash so that's how I send money. About 80% of the time, it's a complete success. I get the occasional "only hand job sir" or "I'm on my period" or "yes I fuck for 20 k". But mostly you get cute girls who are down for fun. When she arrives just be blunt. I'm not here for massage, I want to fuck. She will let you know what she can do. If she won't play, just get the massage which will be about $10 and relax for an hour.

4. Websites. I have always used [URL]https://smooci.com/[/URL] and [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/gallery/.[/URL] These girls typically want you to wear a condom tho, so I avoid unless I'm in a pinch. But I've had some beautiful women who are very very fun from these sites.

5. Seeking Arrangement. When I first arrived in Manila, I was used to using SA (or now, Seeking) when I was in the US so I kept using it for about a year in Manila. Lots of absolutely gorgeous pussy but expensive. Just like Tinder, go to chat and then state your business. I had no problem finding lots of women who were pay to play, and they were HOT AF. But yes, pricey.

Nice thing about my time here is that I have developed relationships with a couple of home massage handlers who know my wants and needs. I even had 1 handler who I started chatting with and she asked if she could fuck me because she never had a foreigner and I said sure. I paid her the same as all her girls, and she was a bit chunky, but I fucked her good and now she sends me her best girls. You can find her service online and at FB as Heavenly Spa Home Services Massage. I messaged her yesterday and told her I wanted a fresh girl, young, fun, and who will meet my needs (no massage, allows pussy licking, fucks raw, allows a creampie, and I like a hairy pussy). She immediately responded that she had a new 18 year old and she would have a talk with her about my needs. The girl arrived at my condo 30 minutes early, took a shower, and came out naked and cute AF. I took her by the hand to the bedroom and licked that pussy for a while and she was squealing and squirming all over the bed, dripping wet. I took her off the bed and told her "on your knees" as I had on shorts and she said "ok but extra tip" to which I simply replied "take out my cock and suck it". She did, little 18-year old looking up at me bobbing her head on my cock. After awhile, I put her back on the bed in doggy and just slid into her and started fucking raw. Fucked her in multiple positions then finished missionary with a creampie. We took a quick shower and then she was off. I have another 18-year old coming over tonight. That's my life 2 weekends a month. I rarely repeat a girl because I like variety.

So that's how I do it without hanging out in a bar. I guess I'm lazy and I'd rather order my girls like pizza instead of hunting for it.

With regards to the normal girl, I can tell you this. On MULTIPLE occasions, walking through the mall or at Starbucks, I have had very young cute girls make eye contact and smile and keep eye contact even as you walk away. I have had girls walk up to me and give me their phone number. I have had Starbucks barista's write their phone number on my cup. Filipinas are incredibly flirty and open about their desire to fuck, bag an older white man who can give them a good life, and sometimes they simply want to fuck a foreigner.

If you can't get laid here, I don't know what you're doing. And yes, I've had multiple trips to Thailand so I can clearly see the difference between Thailand sex scene and Philippines. In the Philippines you have to work a little harder, but the pussy is still there for the taking. Have fun boys![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2932539]In my last trip to the Philippines in September, 2007 parts of Manila were flooded, I saw it for myself. Reports are that there are serious floods in parts of the city now, stay safe guys![/QUOTE]Expect money requests from girls living on Luzon.

Also, for girls not living on Luzon (nor anywhere near the typhoon), expect money requests. Smile!

😁.

I myself expecting a msg from my Banana Girl. Last typhoon, she told me she has been starving and only had 3 bananas at home and she is rationing out. Then sent me a list of 6 k pesos worth of groceries from SM. I told her to ration out the banana peels too. It's always entertaining to see how much creative they can get.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2932661]Expect money requests from girls living on Luzon.

Also, for girls not living on Luzon (nor anywhere near the typhoon), expect money requests. Smile![/QUOTE]

I had a meet set-up with a couple of girls on Monday afternoon but they cancelled at the last moment, and we re-arranged it for Tuesday afternoon. When I got up Tuesday morning and saw the rain outside and the news about Typhoon Carina I did consider re-arranging the meet, but decided to push on with it.

I got a bit wet on the journey there (and back) despite bringing an umbrella, but it was worth it! I live in Quezon City and took the LRT down to Recto, the last stop on the line and met the girls at a hotel a short walk from the station. They live in Tondo.

The trains were running early evening when I returned home, despite the rain, though it was not really too heavy. Yesterday the rain was really, really heavy, and non-stop, and I suspect that all the trains were cancelled.

Some pics below.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2932534]Hi guys,

Just hoping everyone who's over there is keeping high and somewhat dry with Typhoon Carina going through.

It looks pretty devastating from the news vision here, however it's always general vision without mentioning specific locations.

I'm back over there for work in a few weeks and PA were sending flight notifications and updates today.

I generally don't mind rainy season in the Phils.

It usually equates to getting work out of the way and then a lot of bedroom time out of the weather and probably for that reason, my best season in the Phils.

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]I live in Quezon City, it's a huge area and I live in the south-east part, close to the border with Pasig.

There hasn't really been any wind here over the last few days, just rain. Lots and lots and lots of rain! It started on Monday afternoon, and only stopped yesterday evening. It was more or less non-stop, and yesterday was the worst with some really heavy torrential rain with some local flooding in parts of QC, but not in the area where I live. It hasn't rained at all today.

There was a local power outage yesterday afternoon and the power was off for a short while. There is a back-up power generator in the building where I live, but they had a few problems with it so we had no electric power at all for a while. Thankfully, the main power supply came back on again at about 6pm.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2932800]I had a meet set-up with a couple of girls on Monday afternoon but they cancelled at the last moment, and we re-arranged it for Tuesday afternoon. When I got up Tuesday morning and saw the rain outside and the news about Typhoon Carina I did consider re-arranging the meet, but decided to push on with it.

I got a bit wet on the journey there (and back) despite bringing an umbrella, but it was worth it! I live in Quezon City and took the LRT down to Recto, the last stop on the line and met the girls at a hotel a short walk from the station. They live in Tondo.

The trains were running early evening when I returned home, despite the rain, though it was not really too heavy. Yesterday the rain was really, really heavy, and non-stop, and I suspect that all the trains were cancelled.

Some pics below.[/QUOTE]Nice jugs on the one. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2932800]I had a meet set-up with a couple of girls on Monday afternoon but they cancelled at the last moment, and we re-arranged it for Tuesday afternoon. When I got up Tuesday morning and saw the rain outside and the news about Typhoon Carina I did consider re-arranging the meet, but decided to push on with it.

I got a bit wet on the journey there (and back) despite bringing an umbrella, but it was worth it! I live in Quezon City and took the LRT down to Recto, the last stop on the line and met the girls at a hotel a short walk from the station. They live in Tondo.

The trains were running early evening when I returned home, despite the rain, though it was not really too heavy. Yesterday the rain was really, really heavy, and non-stop, and I suspect that all the trains were cancelled.

Some pics below.[/QUOTE]Hi, and great post!! I would love to get contact info for these girls if possible. Visiting Manila next month.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2932788]😁.

I myself expecting a msg from my Banana Girl. Last typhoon, she told me she has been starving and only had 3 bananas at home and she is rationing out. Then sent me a list of 6 k pesos worth of groceries from SM. I told her to ration out the banana peels too. It's always entertaining to see how much creative they can get.[/QUOTE]I'll send food not money.

Some years ago in Medellin an American asked me for money as his apartment was burglarized and he lost everything. Told him sorry I can't give him money. He then asked for food and I told him lets go to the nearby supermarket. He then showed me an expensive restaurant instead. I told him goodbye.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2932661]Expect money requests from girls living on Luzon.

Also, for girls not living on Luzon (nor anywhere near the typhoon), expect money requests. Smile![/QUOTE]Yes Westie, the contacts I have in Sabang and many other areas in the Phils have been very 'creative' in their messages and requests on WhatsApp over the past few days. I've always said to them that I would assist them financially only when I catch up with them in person. If you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2933030]Yes Westie, the contacts I have in Sabang and many other areas in the Phils have been very 'creative' in their messages and requests on WhatsApp over the past few days. I've always said to them that I would assist them financially only when I catch up with them in person. If you know what I mean.[/QUOTE]Hi PhilJoy, want your advice regarding Phil girls. I just got to know one recently and have been texting often. Would I be stupid if I said, when she had a request for something she needed and I did not hesitate to send her financial help? Would I get in trouble with her if one day I decided to let her go? Seems like once you start helping, then they might one to tie you down for their own self. The one that I'm texting now is not from manila but lives in Davao. Thanks buddy.

Hi all. I may be new to this forum, but you can see my post count and click into my posts and you can see that I am far from a leech. Even I'm asking for information here, I'm very generous with information in the broader ISG world.

I Have an opportunity to go to Asia. My choice of country. My type of girl is 18-20, non-pro. I do very well with Seeking in places like London, Cdmx, Madrid.

I am looking for a SE Asia spot where I can find that in spades. Not k-bars, not go go bars, no barfines, no street walkers, no red light districts. Just an abundance of young cute university or barista type girls and the infrastructure (eg a website) to link up with them. Not tinder or facebook but websites that are geared towards this.

I read back 5 pages on this thread and it's not exactly what I'm looking for. I'the love to get some intel, here or via DM (I'm a paying member).

What's the right Asian spot? Where can find this?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2933098]

What's the right Asian spot? Where can find this?[/QUOTE]In Manila I use Tan Tan and Pinalove, occasionally Date in Asia.

I usually just say I am looking for someone to spend the night with. I usually have a 22 yo upper limit. I do have some regulars but also I top up with new talent each trip. I'm pretty fussy, I like skinny and attractive.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2933098]My choice of country. My type of girl is 18-20, non-pro. I do very well with Seeking in places like London, Cdmx, Madrid.

I am looking for a SE Asia spot where I can find that in spades. Not k-bars, not go go bars, no barfines, no street walkers, no red light districts. Just an abundance of young cute university or barista type girls and the infrastructure (eg a website) to link up with them. Not tinder or facebook but websites that are geared towards this.[/QUOTE]If your budget extends to Seeking London you will have many options in Manila.

You said you prefer web sites but not Tinder nor FB. I'm not too sure what this means. However, Seeking is very much an option in Manila for young very cute girls who charge accordingly. You also have the online outcall options: Smoochi, Manila Courtesans etc.

You don't mentioned face to face options but a big spender would do very well anywhere on Burgos or any club in Poblacion.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2933198]If your budget extends to Seeking London you will have many options in Manila.

You said you prefer web sites but not Tinder nor FB. I'm not too sure what this means. However, Seeking is very much an option in Manila for young very cute girls who charge accordingly. You also have the online outcall options: Smoochi, Manila Courtesans etc.

You don't mentioned face to face options but a big spender would do very well anywhere on Burgos or any club in Poblacion..[/QUOTE]Thanks to those who responded. Please trust I am also helpful in my corners.

I don't do Tinder and FB because I'm married. Can't have the app on phone, can't have the history on FB.

I looked at Seeking in Manila but it's thin. Maybe 20 18-22 year olds. That means in reality there are like 5 active. Not enough. A place like London or NYC will have like 150, to compare.

No escorts for me.

So if I wanted that non-escort, non-pro experience what cities in Philippines or elsewhere in Asia are great? I've only ever visited Tokyo and Shanghai and won't be back. Great cities to visit but didn't have what I was looking for with the girls.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2933234]

No escorts for me.

So if I wanted that non-escort, non-pro experience what cities in Philippines or elsewhere in Asia are great? I've only ever visited Tokyo and Shanghai and won't be back. Great cities to visit but didn't have what I was looking for with the girls.[/QUOTE]For non pros offline, ie civilians that you want to meet face to face, the most approachable and outgoing girls in Asia are in PI or Indonesia. Specifically Manila, Cebu and Jakarta. Obviously, the less commercial the interaction, the more attractive you need to be and the more game, time and effort is involved. You're also going to have to put yourself in to places where you will actually meet said girls. Don't expect to turn up and suddenly be flocked by good girls desperate for some white meat.

Many guys start off with good intentions but find the practicalities all too hard and fall back to commercial agreements.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2933234]I don't do Tinder and FB because I'm married. Can't have the app on phone, can't have the history on FB.[/QUOTE]Burner phone and additional Tinder / FB account.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2933234]No escorts for me.

So if I wanted that non-escort, non-pro experience what cities in Philippines or elsewhere in Asia are great? I've only ever visited Tokyo and Shanghai and won't be back. Great cities to visit but didn't have what I was looking for with the girls.[/QUOTE]You appear to want the Seeking-type girls, but don't see enough opportunity there. Or alternately you are looking for the occasional pretty Girl-Next-Door who needs additional cash. Others have found success with Seeking, but you are right in that supply might be limited.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2933282]You're also going to have to put yourself in to places where you will actually meet said girls. Don't expect to turn up and suddenly be flocked by good girls desperate for some white meat.[/QUOTE]GND is found thru dating, and Go is correct in that you must either approach, or meet them on dating sites and woo them. Hot 18-22 yo girls are usually swamped by the fellas, so you fall in line for that.

Your large number of limits (no bars, no FB / Tinder, slim age range) will limit your options in PI. How long are you in-country? Meeting / dating will require some length of time for non-pro's. Telling her you are here for only 2 weeks might cause her to brush you off (strength in numbers, they often want you to meet their aunt / mother / cousin before sleeping with you). OTOH if you are young / dashing, you might find your way burning thru hot young poon.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2933152]In Manila I use Tan Tan and Pinalove, occasionally Date in Asia.

I usually just say I am looking for someone to spend the night with. I usually have a 22 yo upper limit. I do have some regulars but also I top up with new talent each trip. I'm pretty fussy, I like skinny and attractive.[/QUOTE]I've mongered in Asia and Mexico and have written many field reports (check my posts). I've never been to the PI. Do the girls you meet on tan tan and DIA expect compensation?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2933290]Burner phone and additional Tinder / FB account.

You appear to want the Seeking-type girls, but don't see enough opportunity there. Or alternately you are looking for the occasional pretty Girl-Next-Door who needs additional cash. Others have found success with Seeking, but you are right in that supply might be limited.

GND is found thru dating, and Go is correct in that you must either approach, or meet them on dating sites and woo them. Hot 18-22 yo girls are usually swamped by the fellas, so you fall in line for that.

Your large number of limits (no bars, no FB / Tinder, slim age range) will limit your options in PI. How long are you in-country? Meeting / dating will require some length of time for non-pro's. Telling her you are here for only 2 weeks might cause her to brush you off (strength in numbers, they often want you to meet their aunt / mother / cousin before sleeping with you). OTOH if you are young / dashing, you might find your way burning thru hot young poon.[/QUOTE]Thanks again for these great inputs.

If I did something like Pina Love and just put out that I'm looking for a short term travel girlfriend (spend days together and pay) culturally is that something likely to be accepted in PI?

[QUOTE=RouletteWheel;2932981]Hi, and great post!! I would love to get contact info for these girls if possible. Visiting Manila next month.[/QUOTE]Just sent you a DM.

Hey all, I may be a newbie to this particular site but I can assure you that I'm a senior member on usasexguide with the same handle and also share as much as I can, I just never had the opportunity to travel much so don't have a lot to offer here just yet. But has anyone had luck with providers from Pinalove or escorts who offer Greek, rimming or facefuck? I just signed up for Pinalove and finally opted for the Premium membership and luckily I did, makes a huge difference! Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance and happy hunting!!

[QUOTE=Kaplay;2933081]Hi PhilJoy, want your advice regarding Phil girls. I just got to know one recently and have been texting often. Would I be stupid if I said, when she had a request for something she needed and I did not hesitate to send her financial help? Would I get in trouble with her if one day I decided to let her go? Seems like once you start helping, then they might one to tie you down for their own self. The one that I'm texting now is not from manila but lives in Davao. Thanks buddy.[/QUOTE]Hi Kaplay and happy to offer my experience. I basically tell them upfront that if I gave money to every girl that requested it, I'd be broke. I had a great girl in Sabang that was sending me fake photo's of her sick daughter and needed money desperately for medicine. I offered to organize the drugs via a doctor in Manila. That put a stop to that request and the relationship, but it's easy to move on in the Phils and no need to get tied down to one girl.

I've seen so many first timers visit the Phils and believe what they're told and fall in love. I knew a guy who returned to Australia and was sending the girl expensive jewelry only to be shocked upon returning that she'd sold the lot. You wouldn't be stupid if you offered her financial help but you should expect something in return.

Although I've made it well known here that I'm not keen on spending a fortune on fruit juice lady drinks and avoid bar fines by relying on all the contacts I've made over time and keep in touch with via WhatsApp and the like. But all these girls know they're going to be looked after financially when I return to the Phils regularly on business. And they return the favor exceptionally _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2933314]I've mongered in Asia and Mexico and have written many field reports (check my posts). I've never been to the PI. Do the girls you meet on tan tan and DIA expect compensation?[/QUOTE]I always compensate. Most will ask but some don't but expect something. As always I find that free sex ends up costing the most!

I'm blunt with what I want which is someone to stay overnight as that suits me, some only want a limited time visit but I don't partake.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2933314] Do the girls you meet on tan tan and DIA expect compensation?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2933335]
If I did something like Pina Love and just put out that I'm looking for a short term travel girlfriend (spend days together and pay) culturally is that something likely to be accepted in PI?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RouletteWheel;2933360] But has anyone had luck with providers from Pinalove or escorts who offer Greek, rimming or facefuck?[/QUOTE]That's a yes for 99.99% of the cases. Some will be a blatant fee for service situation. Others will expect some sort of longer term return. Schools fees, room rent, medical emergencies etc all seem to pop up sometime.

Holiday girlfriends are very popular. Just remember that a girl with a real 9 to 5 will find it harder to drop everything and go traveling with you at short notice. However, she will have the advantage of leaving you alone during her work hours to explore infills or just have some down time. Being with a hooker 24/7 sounds great but can wear thin very quickly.

Some do and some don't. Those that do specialise in any type of kink tend to do it exceptionally well. It's not hard to find good head. You will have to seek out A+ and especially rimming. Not impossible but they aren't a given like some other areas.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2933387]... and keep in touch with via WhatsApp and the like. But all these girls know they're going to be looked after financially when I return to the Phils regularly on business. And they return the favor exceptionally _ Phil.[/QUOTE]This is my business model too: generous while in town but I don't send "gifts" when I'm back home. The girls know this and don't even bother contacting me after I leave as they know it won't result in anything being transferred.

I've posted several times that I have never had a girl refuse to see me because I didn't pay up while away. Never

It might sound weird but I'm sure that the girls actually have no real respect nor feelings for simps that are falling for the dead buffalo sob stories and sending cash for little or no return. Most old timers have stories of fucking girls while Daddy is sending her cash and thinking she is sitting at home with her legs crossed.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2933435]

Holiday girlfriends are very popular. Just remember that a girl with a real 9 to 5 will find it harder to drop everything and go traveling with you at short notice. However, she will have the advantage of leaving you alone during her work hours to explore infills or just have some down time. Being with a hooker 24/7 sounds great but can wear thin very quickly.


Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Totally agree on the all day thing. In a perfect world I have a few girls, each for 2-3 days but just the evenings and I tour during daytime. But I don't want hookers. I want civilian girls. Students, baristas and the like. How well developed is the system to find those kinds of girls?

It was either 7 hours at the airport, or 27 hours in Manila. So now I need to find a guest friendly hotel for two nights unfortunately since my connecting flight is at 22:20. I would appreciate a hotel suggestion (something nice but not 5*) and a lively neighborhood suggestion to find a friend or two. For an hour or two. P. Burgos street seems to be ground zero, but overpriced ($100 to $200 for ST) and a tourist trap. Does anyone have any other suggestions for a day and a night in Manila? Garden City Hotel was recommended in these forums. Thanks.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2933501]>>For an hour or two. P. Burgos street seems to be ground zero, but overpriced ($100 to $200 for ST) and a tourist trap...[/QUOTE]Burgos is indeed mongering ground zero and $200++ if you go inside and indulge in a barfine, lady drinks etc. However, the area also has many other options amd benefits.

1/. Many freelancers are on the prowl and they can be some of the cheapest sex in Manila. Obviously, be alert for bakla and scammers but it's lots of options, point and shoot and even hourly hotels nearby.

2/. Lots of bargirls live nearby to cut down on the commute time every night. It's not hard to set up someone to drop by for some overtime before her shift starts.

3/. Everyone knows where Burgos is and why guys go there. Hence, anyone met online will find it easily and there won't be any confusion over what you are looking for.

I've stayed at several of the 3* hotels on the side streets. They offer easy access to the bars for an ogle and drinks and places to eat as well. It goes without saying that they are all girl friendly.

If you want a better standard of accommodation, I'd use the AirBnBs surrounding Greenbelt.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2933501]It was either 7 hours at the airport, or 27 hours in Manila. So now I need to find a guest friendly hotel for two nights unfortunately since my connecting flight is at 22:20. I would appreciate a hotel suggestion (something nice but not 5*) and a lively neighborhood suggestion to find a friend or two. For an hour or two.

P. Burgos street seems to be ground zero, but overpriced ($100 to $200 for ST) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2933501]and a tourist trap. [/QUOTE]The two things above, that's exactly what you are looking for. A short, fast overnight wham-bam situation. Its built for convenience, you expect to pay more for such short-time convenience. You are a tourist, trapped for a brief time, looking for something spectacularly touristy. All of Burgos is a tourist trap.

However, as Go points out, $100-$200 is not necessarily correct. That would be for gogo bars, and its closer to $200 than $100, every time. You want right now? You want something time-sensitive (we call it point-and-shoot)? You want to be able to choose from dozens of scantily clad honies waltzing / dancing around you? You want to be able to take her back to your place for a bang, out for dinner, back to your place for sleep and a morning bang? You pay more for that, and gogos are perfect for it.

However there are oodles of SW in the area. You can find point / shoot ST (1 pop) for p1500-2000 ($30-$40), and overnight for p3000+ ($60 and up, certainly under $100). Caveat: SW on Burgos are typically older and in poorer shape, but cuties exist.

Go's suggestion (his point #2) of having someone from the gogo bar stop by the next day for some off-book (avoiding the hefty barfine) joy time is certainly possible, but its not point-and-shoot. If the girl agrees to see you tomorrow afternoon for, say, p5000 for 2 pops, good for you. However if she cancels or does not show, your short time-frame has effed you.

There are also escort services, but be prepared to pay even more than gogo bars.

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2933501]Does anyone have any other suggestions for a day and a night in Manila? Garden City Hotel was recommended in these forums. Thanks.[/QUOTE]CGH is decent and reasonably priced ($60-ish / night) and just a short block from Burgos. All hotels in the area are girl-friendly. Also at corner Burgos / Makati Ave there is a ST hotel called Sogo. Typical there is 3 hours for about p600 ($12), or 6 hours for about p1000 ($20), etc. Airbnb a condo at Knightsbridge, Gramercy, or Milano for about the same price (google map those; they are a 7-minute walk or short taxi ride from Burgos St).

Burgos IS a lively area, there are non-gogo restaurant + live band places at Bourbon bar and at Cubana Cafe (next door to Filling Station resto). If you've never been to Manila before, be prepared for some interesting sights, and certainly some smells.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2933540]The two things above, that's exactly what you are looking for. A short, fast overnight wham-bam situation. Its built for convenience, you expect to pay more for such short-time convenience. You are a tourist, trapped for a brief time, looking for something spectacularly touristy. All of Burgos is a tourist trap.

However, as Go points out, $100-$200 is not necessarily correct. That would be for gogo bars, and its closer to $200 than $100, every time. You want right now? You want something time-sensitive (we call it point-and-shoot)? You want to be able to choose from dozens of scantily clad honies waltzing / dancing around you? You want to be able to take her back to your place for a bang, out for dinner, back to your place for sleep and a morning bang? You pay more for that, and gogos are perfect for it.

However there are oodles of SW in the area. You can find point / shoot ST (1 pop) for p1500-2000 ($30-$40), and overnight for p3000+ ($60 and up, certainly under $100). Caveat: SW on Burgos are typically older and in poorer shape, but cuties exist.

Go's suggestion (his point #2) of having someone from the gogo bar stop by the next day for some off-book (avoiding the hefty barfine) joy time is certainly possible, but its not point-and-shoot. If the girl agrees to see you tomorrow afternoon for, say, p5000 for 2 pops, good for you. However if she cancels or does not show, your short time-frame has effed you.

There are also escort services, but be prepared to pay even more than gogo bars.

CGH is decent and reasonably priced ($60-ish / night) and just a short block from Burgos. All hotels in the area are girl-friendly. Also at corner Burgos / Makati Ave there is a ST hotel called Sogo. Typical there is 3 hours for about p600 ($12), or 6 hours for about p1000 ($20), etc. Airbnb a condo at Knightsbridge, Gramercy, or Milano for about the same price (google map those; they are a 7-minute walk or short taxi ride from Burgos St).

Burgos IS a lively area, there are non-gogo restaurant + live band places at Bourbon bar and at Cubana Cafe (next door to Filling Station resto). If you've never been to Manila before, be prepared for some interesting sights, and certainly some smells.[/QUOTE]How is the situation nowadays regarding Burgos bargirls girls staying longterm. ? Last year most girls told me they need to be back at the bar before 5 am. This was never the case in the past, where girls usually stayed till noon. It even seemed they tried to charge different barfine amounts for st / LT. Especially when barfining before midnight, girls made sure to get back to the bar early morning.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2933441]I've posted several times that I have never had a girl refuse to see me because I didn't pay up while away. Never

It might sound weird but I'm sure that the girls actually have no real respect nor feelings for simps that are falling for the dead buffalo sob stories and sending cash for little or no return. Most old timers have stories of fucking girls while Daddy is sending her cash and thinking she is sitting at home with her legs crossed..[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree G. I'm continuously amazed by guys who take the bait and think they've found love, when in reality they've found a cute hooker ten, twenty or thirty years younger than them. Reality is, they'll open their legs to pay the bills and feed the extended family _ Or to get a new tattoo and go shopping. These guys can't get it into their heads that while they're back at home and sending them cash, the newfound love of their life is banging away like a carpenter on a building site. Just my experience. Phil.

[QUOTE=RouletteWheel;2933360]I just never had the opportunity to travel much so don't have a lot to offer here just yet. But has anyone had luck with providers from Pinalove or escorts who offer Greek, rimming or facefuck? ![/QUOTE]Hi RW, I'm not sure about the former but I'm guessing throwing it up a girl's ass / arse will deserve compensation, but a face fuck is usually included with a simple request. If not, flashing a few 100 peso notes in front of her for 'extra services' will seal the deal from experience. Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2933387]Hi Kaplay and happy to offer my experience. I basically tell them upfront that if I gave money to every girl that requested it, I'd be broke. I had a great girl in Sabang that was sending me fake photo's of her sick daughter and needed money desperately for medicine. I offered to organize the drugs via a doctor in Manila. That put a stop to that request and the relationship, but it's easy to move on in the Phils and no need to get tied down to one girl.

I've seen so many first timers visit the Phils and believe what they're told and fall in love. I knew a guy who returned to Australia and was sending the girl expensive jewelry only to be shocked upon returning that she'd sold the lot. You wouldn't be stupid if you offered her financial help but you should expect something in return.

Although I've made it well known here that I'm not keen on spending a fortune on fruit juice lady drinks and avoid bar fines by relying on all the contacts I've made over time and keep in touch with via WhatsApp and the like. But all these girls know they're going to be looked after financially when I return to the Phils regularly on business. And they return the favor exceptionally _ Phil.[/QUOTE]Thanks buddy,

Will try to keep in mind. FYI, didn't meet her in Phil, but in HK. She kept in touch and then met her on a second trip. Then she went back home and still kept in touch.

She's been asking for help and I didn't mind. Maybe that a newbie mistake as she's the only Phil girl I've kept in touch.

Just worried one day that I might fall into a trap or if the feelings she says she's having are genuine or not. Hoping I don't get trapped!!

I'm heading to Manila in September! I'm thinking of staying in BGC as there are nice condos, shops and public spaces, but I'm wondering about the availability of girls. Are there massage shops or bars in the BGC area, or must I brave the traffic to get somewhere else for a few hours?

TIA!

[QUOTE=Kaplay;2934884]Thanks buddy, She's been asking for help and I didn't mind. Maybe that a newbie mistake as she's the only Phil girl I've kept in touch.

Just worried one day that I might fall into a trap or if the feelings she says she's having are genuine or not. Hoping I don't get trapped!![/QUOTE]Mate, not a problem to offer my experience. I'd just be cautious. If you're getting value for money, then that might be worth it. Personally, if any of my contacts start asking for cash from abroad, I give them the flick straight away despite how personally I'm involved with them. Never a need to get trapped _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2935077]Mate, not a problem to offer my experience. I'd just be cautious. If you're getting value for money, then that might be worth it. Personally, if any of my contacts start asking for cash from abroad, I give them the flick straight away despite how personally I'm involved with them. Never a need to get trapped _ Phil.[/QUOTE]It also depends of the frequency that someone visits. A while ago, we did the sums here for a guy who visits every year or two. Worked out that monthly sick buffaloes added up to hundreds of thousands of pesos per session when he did arrive.

For that money, you can shut the doors on a Burgos bar and have all the girls to yourself.

Let's not discuss that she likely has numerous other guys also sending cash.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2932800]

I got a bit wet on the journey there (and back) despite bringing an umbrella, but it was worth it! I live in Quezon City and took the LRT down to Recto, the last stop on the line and met the girls at a hotel a short walk from the station. They live in Tondo.

[/QUOTE]Tondo girls are the best.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2933616]Hi RW, I'm not sure about the former but I'm guessing throwing it up a girl's ass / arse will deserve compensation, but a face fuck is usually included with a simple request. If not, flashing a few 100 peso notes in front of her for 'extra services' will seal the deal from experience. Phil.[/QUOTE]Thanks PhilJoy, I appreciate the good pointers. So far it's been pretty easy communicating with them but seems like a lot aren't into ass play. What I have found to be strange is a lot seem to have an issue with CIM but have no problem going BBFS or CIP. I'm usually a BBBJ guy and then put on a hat for the main deed but to be honest I'm really tempted to give BBFS a go here. Out of curiosity, anyone take any preventive meds like PREP or PEP or have why'all been pretty lucky with just winging it? So far I've been fortunate to have never gotten and STD but you guys and your pics make me really want to risk it LOL.

[QUOTE=RouletteWheel;2936089]...I'm really tempted to give BBFS a go here. Out of curiosity, anyone take any preventive meds like PREP or PEP or have why'all been pretty lucky with just winging it? So far I've been fortunate to have never gotten and STD but you guys and your pics make me really want to risk it LOL.[/QUOTE]I would take a PrEP, and afterwards wash well and take a pee! All easy to do and reduces your risk significantly.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2935896]Tondo girls are the best.[/QUOTE]Fanatastic. What bar is this?

You don't need PrEP unless you are messing around with the LBs. PEP you do need. I have been using it to great effect for many many years. The CDC finally got on board. Just search DoxyPEP.

[QUOTE=RouletteWheel;2936089]Thanks PhilJoy, I appreciate the good pointers. So far it's been pretty easy communicating with them but seems like a lot aren't into ass play. What I have found to be strange is a lot seem to have an issue with CIM but have no problem going BBFS or CIP. I'm usually a BBBJ guy and then put on a hat for the main deed but to be honest I'm really tempted to give BBFS a go here. Out of curiosity, anyone take any preventive meds like PREP or PEP or have why'all been pretty lucky with just winging it? So far I've been fortunate to have never gotten and STD but you guys and your pics make me really want to risk it LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2935565]It also depends of the frequency that someone visits. A while ago, we did the sums here for a guy who visits every year or two. Worked out that monthly sick buffaloes added up to hundreds of thousands of pesos per session when he did arrive.

For that money, you can shut the doors on a Burgos bar and have all the girls to yourself.

Let's not discuss that she likely has numerous other guys also sending cash.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Spot on G.

Met a guy a few days ago who has been sending his 'girlfriend' $50 a week and is getting excited to catch up with her after his last visit a year ago.

Now, that works out to be an expensive 'naughty' especially when he returns to the Phils and looks after her financially for a few weeks later this year. I didn't have the heart to advise him she's probably been on her back 300 times since he last saw her.

I'm sure there's loads of guys like him, who after a lack of emotional and sexual activity back home, finally visit the Phils and get hooked. I suppose over time they'll work it out that although the Phils might be inexpensive generally when you visit, if you're dealing with pussy, there's a significant cost involved.

Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2936539]Spot on G.

Met a guy a few days ago who has been sending his 'girlfriend' $50 a week and is getting excited to catch up with her after his last visit a year ago.

Now, that works out to be an expensive 'naughty' especially when he returns to the Phils and looks after her financially for a few weeks later this year. I didn't have the heart to advise him she's probably been on her back 300 times since he last saw her.

I'm sure there's loads of guys like him, who after a lack of emotional and sexual activity back home, finally visit the Phils and get hooked. I suppose over time they'll work it out that although the Phils might be inexpensive generally when you visit, if you're dealing with pussy, there's a significant cost involved.

Phil.[/QUOTE]When he returns to the Philippines later this year she would give him the time of his life for those few weeks to encourage him to continue the $ flow when he returns back home.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2936539]Spot on G.

Met a guy a few days ago who has been sending his 'girlfriend' $50 a week and is getting excited to catch up with her after his last visit a year ago.

Now, that works out to be an expensive 'naughty' especially when he returns to the Phils and looks after her financially for a few weeks later this year. I didn't have the heart to advise him she's probably been on her back 300 times since he last saw her.

I'm sure there's loads of guys like him, who after a lack of emotional and sexual activity back home, finally visit the Phils and get hooked. I suppose over time they'll work it out that although the Phils might be inexpensive generally when you visit, if you're dealing with pussy, there's a significant cost involved.

Phil.[/QUOTE]It is good to advise people of the dangers and pitfalls, but there is another way to look at this, too. If you look at it as entertainment, some people spend far more than that on gaming or movies each month. If he is getting time and attention (and pictures) back home, maybe it is worth it to him. Just go in with eyes wide open.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2936635]It is good to advise people of the dangers and pitfalls, but there is another way to look at this, too. If you look at it as entertainment, some people spend far more than that on gaming or movies each month. If he is getting time and attention (and pictures) back home, maybe it is worth it to him. Just go in with eyes wide open.[/QUOTE]It and other items are actually MYOB. Why people think they can steer or jeer other people's lives is beyond me. No one knows all the facts involved in any situation. Who cares what someone does within the law? Doesn't affect anyone outside looking in.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2936635]It is good to advise people of the dangers and pitfalls, but there is another way to look at this, too. If you look at it as entertainment, some people spend far more than that on gaming or movies each month. If he is getting time and attention (and pictures) back home, maybe it is worth it to him. Just go in with eyes wide open.[/QUOTE]Well put! I often do the same comparisons, especially when tipping after a good session: $20 tip for a food server that feels entitled to it back home and interacts with you for about 2 minutes total time, or a 1000 p bonus for a intimate encounter that lasted for hours or a whole night, and also puts you on top of the preferred customers list.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2936702]Well put! I often do the same comparisons, especially when tipping after a good session: $20 tip for a food server that feels entitled to it back home and interacts with you for about 2 minutes total time, or a 1000 p bonus for a intimate encounter that lasted for hours or a whole night, and also puts you on top of the preferred customers list.[/QUOTE]My only concern with paying them higher tips / daily rates is inflating the market price. I certainly don't mind being generous.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro;2935896]Tondo girls are the best.[/QUOTE]Sweet!

Going to have to put in a vote for this scrawny Malate girl.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2934904]I'm heading to Manila in September! I'm thinking of staying in BGC as there are nice condos, shops and public spaces, but I'm wondering about the availability of girls. Are there massage shops or bars in the BGC area, or must I brave the traffic to get somewhere else for a few hours?

TIA![/QUOTE]Depends what your interested are? I normal stay in Makati, specifically makati palace hotel. It is right in the action. So less walking around at night and easily accessible to the establishments I want to visit. If you want the foreigners area and be in family place than BGC. I've taken girls fro Malate back to Makati and the traffic is nightmare. Kills the vibe and ruins my buzz. Basically, stay where the action is, where you want to be that night. You can also move hotels if you feel like packing up, it's an option I've done in the past. Spend the night it the area I expected to party.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2933616]Hi RW, I'm not sure about the former but I'm guessing throwing it up a girl's ass / arse will deserve compensation, but a face fuck is usually included with a simple request. If not, flashing a few 100 peso notes in front of her for 'extra services' will seal the deal from experience. Phil.[/QUOTE]AC has been good place with getting extras. But most of the time the answer is no. If that's really something you're interested in just ask first to ensure more of chances later. Generally, milfs are more open to it than younger girls. I would caution that girls that want it up the arse and not pussy maybe ladyboys as well. There's no special technique except asking first or being really really connected. Also if you're bar hopping, you can try to slip a finger in the area. If it doenst bother her, your chances increase. Out of the 12 girls I met up on my last PH trip. I was able to get 4 girls who were down with it. I didn't ask when I met them but was with them for the whole night / day and had great connection. Didn't pay more than what was expected but I did tip them for a fun times. If you were to pay, they'll prob ask for 500-1000 pesos. More likely 1000. It can happen and hope you find what you're looking for. I can definitely tell you, anything goes on the PH. And there is a price for everything.

[QUOTE=Mushuu09;2937846]Depends what your interested are? I normal stay in Makati, specifically makati palace hotel. It is right in the action. So less walking around at night and easily accessible to the establishments I want to visit. If you want the foreigners area and be in family place than BGC. I've taken girls fro Malate back to Makati and the traffic is nightmare. Kills the vibe and ruins my buzz. Basically, stay where the action is, where you want to be that night. You can also move hotels if you feel like packing up, it's an option I've done in the past. Spend the night it the area I expected to party.[/QUOTE]If TKO is looking for a nice area that has more girl friendly options than BGC, then Greenbelt (within Makati) is also an option. Lots of nice civilian things to see and to during the day, a gazillion good eateries, near to Burgos and Poblacion generally and even a few freelancers hanging around. There are also numerous well known meeting spots that incalls will not get lost finding. Many girls live nearby so no need to wait three hours while they travel across town.

Personally, I've used AirBnBs around GB5 with success.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Andres901;2932649]I have been to many places in the world but never to Manila. I'm starting to go back to bkk as I'm getting tired of Medellin. Don't get me wrong, I had a blast in Medellin and the girls there are very sexual, but things are not as cool as they used to be. With tons of mongers from the states coming down, weekend mongers, it's jacking up the prices and the girls hare having a shitty attitude. And the sad part is that that stupid mongers are getting drugged and robbed or even worse killed. So I'm thinking of SE asia. I have been to bkk many times but never to the Philippines. I had wondered about Manila but this post was great. After reading it and the last sentence, I will more likely stay in bkk and once I move there I can search the surrounding areas like manila and so forth.[/QUOTE]Definitely SE Asia is 10 times better than anywhere south of US. More bang for your buck, better attitudes, and less fearful of something happening to you. One thing I hated about Columbia and South America is the hotel situation. In Ph and asia the action is more outcall than incalls. Girls come to you than other way around. Incalls and brothels are always in some shit building and feels so sketchy. SA is way more expensive, girls wanting $100-200 american for ST one pop. Most of the time covered. And especially in Columbia the whole devil or dragon breaths drugging. Definitely something to be wary of. Also drugs are used all over the world, but in SA all the girls are coked up. Something you need to be aware of and check your stuff when traveling. It's rampant and drug dealers all over. Saying that, Cartagena was the best place to go. But still hated that mongering and tourist areas were one and the same. Those passport bro vids are tempting but it's a different arena when you're there. Also, SA is like seasonal, certain times of the year there is action, and off season it is dead.

[QUOTE=SethMacfarlane;2936270]Fanatastic. What bar is this?[/QUOTE]That pic was taken in the Camelot Bar which is now is the Zeus Bar. And, J has just returned from Manila and is need of pera and a phone.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2937853]If TKO is looking for a nice area that has more girl friendly options than BGC, then Greenbelt (within Makati) is also an option. Lots of nice civilian things to see and to during the day, a gazillion good eateries, near to Burgos and Poblacion generally and even a few freelancers hanging around. There are also numerous well known meeting spots that incalls will not get lost finding. Many girls live nearby so no need to wait three hours while they travel across town.

Personally, I've used AirBnBs around GB5 with success.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Any one has tips on Davao girls? Especially those that seems wise and have been working around asia, like HK and SG, for a few years?

Well said, this is one thing that kept me away from South America is danger to my personal safety.

In Thailand, Philippines or most part of Asia, I have habit of wondering around at night specially late night. I never had single problem in Thailand, PH, or in Malaysia at night.

Going to Colombia or Brazil: You have to worry about theft, drugs, been drugged, or get beaten up. Once I drove my motorbike 2 hour away from Pattaya to pick up 18 years old girl 3 am, and brought her safely to my apartment, can't do that in Colombia, I am not in the habit of sitting at hotel in Colombia and call Escorts back to my hotel just to stay safe.

[QUOTE=Mushuu09;2937857]Definitely SE Asia is 10 times better than anywhere south of US. More bang for your buck, better attitudes, and less fearful of something happening to you. One thing I hated about Columbia and South America is the hotel situation. In Ph and asia the action is more outcall than incalls. Girls come to you than other way around. Incalls and brothels are always in some shit building and feels so sketchy. SA is way more expensive, girls wanting $100-200 american for ST one pop. Most of the time covered. And especially in Columbia the whole devil or dragon breaths drugging. Definitely something to be wary of. Also drugs are used all over the world, but in SA all the girls are coked up. Something you need to be aware of and check your stuff when traveling. It's rampant and drug dealers all over. Saying that, Cartagena was the best place to go. But still hated that mongering and tourist areas were one and the same. Those passport bro vids are tempting but it's a different arena when you're there. Also, SA is like seasonal, certain times of the year there is action, and off season it is dead.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kaplay;2939611]Any one has tips on Davao girls? Especially those that seems wise and have been working around asia, like HK and SG, for a few years?[/QUOTE]This is the Manila thread so are you asking about Davao girls in Manila or finding girls in Davao city?

I don't know of anywhere in Manila where Davao girls congregate. The closest I have come across is a mama in Sabang who had several houses of them. Mama was hideous but her girls were all stunners. This was years ago so I don't know if she is still there. At PhilJoy is there now so perhaps ask him.

Another method would be to find one girl and make use of Westie's friends and family program. She will definitely have friends in town from the same area back home.

Unfortunately, the only Davao girl I've met that fills your wish list of being widely travelled and worldly was gorgeous but a complete disaster.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2149791]

Day 4 started and the call center girlie showed up. Yeah! And she was HOT. A slim little body struggled to support some 34 DDs. A barely there dress failed at conceiling anything. We had a light breakfast before we headed back to the room. The "good girl" sales pitch was replaced with "Before the call center, I worked at KTVs in Manila and Cebu, a foreigner bar in Korea and as a foreigner "tourguide" and "My American fiance is a dick because he won't let me go out and party with my girlfriends" etc, etc, etc. This girl has been AROUND. After the past few days' dramas, this made me horny as fuck. Some small talk about getting hammered in Angeles quickly led to power DFK. Tits were spilled and they were glorious! "Let's get your dress off" led to. . . "I'm not going to fuck you on the first meeting". . . . Aaaaargh! Are you fucking serious? I leave tomorrow! . . . . And she left with, "But I'll be back tonight". Of course, I thought this was total bullshit, I had just had the ultimate prick tease and there was no way in hell that she intended to come back. I was literally pacing the hotel room with frustration.[/QUOTE]Luckily, she should be regarded as an outlier. I've had many good times with great girls from Davao in Davao.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2148861]I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.

Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.[/QUOTE]Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2939719] As PhilJoy is there now so perhaps ask him.[/QUOTE]Always happy to do the groundwork G.

P.S. _ Most of the girls I've hooked up with in Sabang have been originally from Masbate.

Obviously one or two will make the move and their friends will follow looking for $$.

But that's just a sample group who I've come across. All puns intended.

_ Phil.

Hi,

Excited about my first trip to Manila and will there for a week. I'm looking for a good massage! Tried searching ads on sites and falling short. Appreciate anyone willing to share their contact (s) or advice for a good massage provider that does lingam massage. I will reciprocate the same with my contacts in other countries. Thank you in advance.

I'll be visiting Manila for the first time soon! To ensure I get the most out of my limited time in Manila, I'm thinking of hiring a tour guide to show me around, dine together, etc. Can you recommend a tour guide matching service, or even just a good guide? I'm seeking a female guide, in her 20's, and competent in English.

[QUOTE=TKOman;2940749]I'll be visiting Manila for the first time soon! To ensure I get the most out of my limited time in Manila, I'm thinking of hiring a tour guide to show me around, dine together, etc. Can you recommend a tour guide matching service, or even just a good guide? I'm seeking a female guide, in her 20's, and competent in English.[/QUOTE]There are dedicated travel web sites like TravelMates or TravelPartners but I wouldn't waste my time. There are literally thousands of girls online who would gladly offer tour guide++ services. What the ++ includes is up to you. Just go online, include what you are looking for in your profile, and send message to girls who you fing attractive. No need to be crude or offensive but just be upfront with them on expectations. You will be surprised at the number of girls who will accept.

English is pretty universal in Manila and any girl on PinaLove or Date in Asia who is familiar with foreigners will have conversational level skills. If you want a well educated girl from the right side of town then try Seeking. Obviously, she will come at cost premium.

Be clear in your own mind what you want and how long for. You do you but many guys would argue against having a girl around 24/7 for days on end or committing to one girl for your whole stay.

Enjoy. G.

We haven't had a picture for a while.

From: My crypt.

For: Hooters lovers.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2941009]We haven't had a picture for a while.

From: My crypt.

For: Hooters lovers.[/QUOTE]Dude, tell me you have the unedited originals! Your pictures are gold!

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2941977]Dude, tell me you have the unedited originals! Your pictures are gold![/QUOTE]Thank you sir. Obviously you have great vision and taste. I have the gold. For a more recent pic posting of mine in the Jakarta thread:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2941964&viewfull=1#post2941964[/URL]

Enjoy.

I plan to write about my experiences over the past 3-4 days diffiently as opposed to daily reports.

The rains in Philipines turned out to be good for me in different ways. Going out was a mess. Many regular girls were not interested in traveling in the rain. What changed was schools and colleges closing. I got a fairly decent hit of college girls on pinalove. Three different experiences:

[BR] Proffesional [/BR] : Met a girl who enquired about me a lot on Monday morning. Said she is in it for payment. We met at Ayala mall (closer to me from Makati). She asked me to book a grab from her house. Gave me enough identifications to find her in the mall. We met, had lunch in a restaurant in the mall. Asked whether I had condoms in my room. We walked to mercury drug store to buy rubber, lube and camphor oil. Came to my room, we stripped naked and she started a massage. Was more sensous than a actual massage. She was an excellent kisser. We made out. Slept for sometime, and did one more. She wanted to have dinner with me so that I don't feel alone. She got a news that her grandma passed away and decided to leave. Very professional in her aproach. She talked about her multiple foreign clients. She will be wrapping her studies soon to start her own business. Her mom is in Qatar and she is helping her family out with this extra money. I was surprised with her pro approach. She was bubbly and enthusiastic. Talkative. But never was there any emotion in the conduct and deeds. Very surprised. She was hardly 21 (in 2 months).

Tuesday was another day. Schools were closed. The routine followed. A college girl messaged and wanted to meet. No talk of money, and only partnership with a "good man". Wanted to go along and see what is in store.

Fixed Ayala mall. She asked me many questions and if I was delayed in response would get edgy. She said she would meet me in the mall. She arrives and I was waiting inside. She was like, come out and pay for the rider. I didn't expect that. I did pay for the rider. Went to a restuarant for lunch. Had good lunch. Walked to the theatres for movies. We had missed showtimes. We grabbed a coffee and I asked her whether she was interested in s*& for $$ or just a date. She said, she wanted a date since she was bored at home. It did feel that way. When we walked, she would hold my hands, pinch my forearms and do all sorts of romantic gestures. She freely allowed her boobs to slide on me when walking. I was super confused with all this.

I checked with her again, on whether she was doing this for $$. I wanted to fix the rates. She again repeated being bored at home and wanted to be out. Less talk when we walked and many romantic gestures. My jetlag was hitting me and we decided to come to my room.

We came to the room, and I respectfully asked her to use a bed and I laid on the other. She was like, why don't you share the bed. I was surprised. I was fine and dozed off. When I was dozing, she started seducing me. I woke up and we had a deed. This girl wanted DATY so badly she pushed my head against her kitty. She was very wet by the time. Had a good session. We rested, and she was all over me -- biting my nipples, playing with my balls, running her hand around my chest hair and the likes. Went out and grabbed coffee and her romantic gestures continued. She had to go home before it was late, and I gave her some money (3 k) and she just took it and left. It was too romantic for me. Haven't experienced this since I was in my 20's. Very surreal.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2942080]When I was dozing, she started seducing me. I woke up and we had a deed. This girl wanted DATY so badly she pushed my head against her kitty. She was very wet by the time. Had a good session. We rested, and she was all over me -- biting my nipples, playing with my balls, running her hand around my chest hair and the likes. Went out and grabbed coffee and her romantic gestures continued. She had to go home before it was late, and I gave her some money (3 k) and she just took it and left. It was too romantic for me. Haven't experienced this since I was in my 20's. Very surreal.[/QUOTE]The transactional nature you were looking for (P-4-P) is fine with pro's, but for many regular Filipina who occasionally dabble in prostitution, that approach suggests in their minds that they are about to engage in actual prostitution (puta), or horing. Keeping the conversation more romantic, and leading to quick sex (seen as passion, not prostitution), is more respectable in her mind. Getting some compensation at the end might be some icing on the cake for her. In her mind, she never agreed to any P-4-P in the run-up to sex. There is a blurring of the lines of what prostitution actually is among persons outside the western world.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2942080]This girl wanted DATY so badly she pushed my head against her kitty. She was very wet by the time. Had a good session. We rested, and she was all over me -- biting my nipples, playing with my balls, running her hand around my chest hair and the likes. SNIP Haven't experienced this since I was in my 20's. Very surreal.[/QUOTE]This type of girl can be a real blessing, as they often throw themselves in the sexual situation, often hoping that more than P-4-P develops (like, a real relationship with a foreigner).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2942089]The transactional nature you were looking for (P-4-P) is fine with pro's, but for many regular Filipina who occasionally dabble in prostitution, that approach suggests in their minds that they are about to engage in actual prostitution (puta), or horing. Keeping the conversation more romantic, and leading to quick sex (seen as passion, not prostitution), is more respectable in her mind. Getting some compensation at the end might be some icing on the cake for her. In her mind, she never agreed to any P-4-P in the run-up to sex. There is a blurring of the lines of what prostitution actually is among persons outside the western world.
[/QUOTE]Dude, why don't you have this fed to an LLM which I can query in realtime to understand the situation. . You just nailed it. Its possible that's what is on their minds.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2942089]
This type of girl can be a real blessing, as they often throw themselves in the sexual situation, often hoping that more than P-4-P develops (like, a real relationship with a foreigner).[/QUOTE]Yeah, she talked about hating filipina men and was looking for foreign men. It all adds up. This all needs to be in an LLM BTW.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2942080]

I checked with her again, on whether she was doing this for $$. I wanted to fix the rates. She again repeated being bored at home and wanted to be out. Less talk when we walked and many romantic gestures. My jetlag was hitting me and we decided to come to my room.

[/QUOTE]This can get super confusing.

On one hand it's a huge mistake to think that every pina will fuck any guy as long as she gets paid. There are many girls who would find this super offensive and will only sleep with a guy if there is some sort of connection. Often there is no expectation of a cash payment and any offer will be refused and may even be insulting: eg. I once had one girl who refused to see me again as I gave her too much money for her taxi fare home, saying that I thought of her as a hoe.

Balance that with it's perfectly normal in Asian cultures for the guy to support his girlfriend. He will be the one paying for meals, transport and even help out with incidental costs. This is seen as a normal part of the whole relationship and certainly not seen as a $$$ per bang transaction.

Then in the middle you have the many girls who will go out with someone they find attractive enough to eventually sleep with but there is a tacit understanding that she's not going to go home empty handed. Again, she may be offended by a straight out price per hour request but will not reject 4 k taxi money or 'help' with rent, student fees etc. The further apart he and she are in age, looks and social standing the more conditional and greater this expectation will be.

Remember, it's all a game and it pays to play along.

Enjoy. G.

Goffering.

So, true. It was super confusing. To play this along, I was trying to be in touch with her. The girl was trying to avoid and checked whether I would give more money. When there was none, she stopped being in touch. This was bizzare. Its interesting to see girls under 20 playing this game. She is going to be 20 in Nov this year and she was up for this. When we had food or snacks outside, these girls (both the pro and the <20 girl) ordered the finest food and desserts. I was fine with paying, nevertheless surprising.

This is another experience I had. Found a girl on pinalove (she was 21 ish). She was open to meeting me. She asked whether I was open to her friend. Asked her to share the pic. Her friend was less than a 4 and above 30. I politely declined.

We met for dinner at Al Tarboush. The idea was to bar hop with her a bit and take her to my room. It was rainy evening and I paid for her bike ride. She felt cold and asked me to be cozy with her. She didn't like the middle eastern food and wanted burgers and shake. Ordered them. She was cold and felt stuck up. I asked her what the issue was. She mentioned that she is not interested in all this and wants to go back to her home town. BTW, this girl was wonderful to look, and well dressed with minimal makeup. I could see that she had good rack, with no bra (just a nipple cover). She mentioned her friend fooled her into coming to Makati. She was not a ho and did not want to be one. She mentioned that she did not want to sell her body! I almost fell of my chair. I asked her whether she wanted to leave. She was okay giving me company and make me happy since I had spent time and money to get her to Makati.

She was open going to a bar. We want into a bar, and ordered a SML. After a couple of sips, she mentioned that her friend is waiting for her. When I quizzed her further, it was apparent that she was a front for her friend. Take her and her friend along. Buy them food and drinks. In the room only her friend is active and she helps along. She is not interested in sex with strangers. Her job is to help her friend get clients; her friend takes care of her food and stay.

I gave her 500 pesos and asked her to leave. I did not want to do anything with her. It was bizzare.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2943071]

She was open going to a bar. We want into a bar, and ordered a SML. After a couple of sips, she mentioned that her friend is waiting for her. When I quizzed her further, it was apparent that she was a front for her friend.

[/QUOTE]As girls are now exposed to many, many more guys, bait and switch is becoming more common and diverse. It can be fronting for a less attractive girl; a long term LDR / sponsorship deal that magically vanishes when it's time for to meet for a quid pro quo or even redirection to add to a subscriber / follower count only.

Guys need to be alert to all three scams and time wasters.

G.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2943071]She was open going to a bar. We want into a bar, and ordered a SML. After a couple of sips, she mentioned that her friend is waiting for her. When I quizzed her further, it was apparent that she was a front for her friend. Take her and her friend along. Buy them food and drinks. In the room only her friend is active and she helps along. She is not interested in sex with strangers. Her job is to help her friend get clients; her friend takes care of her food and stay.

I gave her 500 pesos and asked her to leave. I did not want to do anything with her. It was bizzare.[/QUOTE]Good report, even if its a negative outcome.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2943125]As girls are now exposed to many, many more guys, bait and switch is becoming more common and diverse. It can be fronting for a less attractive girl; a long term LDR / sponsorship deal that magically vanishes when it's time for to meet for a quid pro quo or even redirection to add to a subscriber / follower count only.

Guys need to be alert to all three scams and time wasters.[/QUOTE]You got to kiss some frogs before you meet. . .

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2943127]Good report, even if its a negative outcome.

You got to kiss some frogs before you meet. . .[/QUOTE]Thanks Westie and G. Yes, this was a classic B & S. I have to find sometime to write up my makati report. Will find sometime.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2943071]This is another experience I had. Found a girl on pinalove (she was 21 ish). She was open to meeting me. She asked whether I was open to her friend. Asked her to share the pic. Her friend was less than a 4 and above 30. I politely declined.
I gave her 500 pesos and asked her to leave. I did not want to do anything with her. It was bizzare.[/QUOTE]One wonders whether we should just come out and say what we want, respectfully, to cut out all the BS.

With TF & other social meetings its coffee only. Got caught in KL at seafood restaurant once for a big fat nothing. Not again.

I'm not interested in investing 2/3 days to get the prize. I'm very much: this is me, that is you, do we find each other appealing enough to have some fun, if so how much?

Based on their responses on TF or in chatting I tend to sus out whether they are a player or not and what's possible.

Some time I just come out and say do you do ST? Too many fish. Esp when you might be there for 1/2 wks.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2943141]

With TF & other social meetings its coffee only. Got caught in KL at seafood restaurant once for a big fat nothing. Not again.

I'm not interested in investing 2/3 days to get the prize. I'm very much: this is me, that is you, do we find each other appealing enough to have some fun, if so how much?

.[/QUOTE]Stupid me, I once asked a girl what she would like for dinner in Ayala, Cebu. 2 k for a delicious Italian meal later, I asked if she wanted to come back to the hotel and she replied she doesn't sleep with guys on the first date but next time will be fine. My reply was that if 2 k ends in a handshake, then there won't be a second date. 'maybe we could go relax for a while. '.

I'm all for pretending and playing the game but you can't let it get out of hand.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2943147]Stupid me, I once asked a girl what she would like for dinner in Ayala, Cebu. 2 k for a delicious Italian meal later, I asked if she wanted to come back to the hotel and she replied she doesn't sleep with guys on the first date but next time will be fine. My reply was that if 2 k ends in a handshake, then there won't be a second date. 'maybe we could go relax for a while. '.

I'm all for pretending and playing the game but you can't let it get out of hand.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. One thing I observed with Phils girls are that they lack reality. They are being constantly fed that they are the most beautiful folks and its slowly going into their heads.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2943175]Very interesting. One thing I observed with Phils girls are that they lack reality. They are being constantly fed that they are the most beautiful folks and its slowly going into their heads.[/QUOTE]I came across this YouTube that perhaps Pinas aren't as traditional as many would think. It has a few inconvenient truths.

G.

[URL]https://youtu.be/gI_Tr53VDrU?si=O0msMn7RnxTo2eFq[/URL]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2943188]I came across this YouTube that perhaps Pinas aren't as traditional as many would think. It has a few inconvenient truths.

G.

[URL]https://youtu.be/gI_Tr53VDrU?si=O0msMn7RnxTo2eFq[/URL][/QUOTE]The narrator makes some points, but I would argue that he paints Filipinas with too broad of a stroke. Of course you will find non-traditional women in the cities, especially if you're mongering. But I think that if you look outside of there, most women are more traditional.

There are a lot of single moms in their late teens and early 20's. Many girls partner and do not get married immediately, and often with parents blessing, because a wedding is expensive, and the laws surrounding marriage are not fair. Then, when the boyfriend decides this life isn't for him, she is left behind with a kid. After this, the girl is left wanting a family. A complete family. So she meets another man and tries to recreate a family. Having sex is easier because it is part of a relationship, and eventually a second baby comes along.

But if you look at traditional gender roles, most Filipinas do fill those roles well. They can clean and cook and take care of (lots of) kids. They can work, too, but most relish the opportunity to be a housewife, if given the opportunity. And for all the talk we have on this board about willing Filipinas, and there are many, the country has 110 million people, and this represents just a fraction of the women. If you look in a brothel, you will find hookers. If you look online at dating sites, you will find some women in it for scams or prostitution, just like anywhere else. What you see depends where you look.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2943188]I came across this YouTube that perhaps Pinas aren't as traditional as many would think. It has a few inconvenient truths.

[URL]https://youtu.be/gI_Tr53VDrU?si=O0msMn7RnxTo2eFq[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2943319]The narrator makes some points, but I would argue that he paints Filipinas with too broad of a stroke. Of course you will find non-traditional women in the cities, especially if you're mongering. But I think that if you look outside of there, most women are more traditional.[/QUOTE]Agree with AML here. I think the video confuses a western view (or the narrator's view) and the eastern view of 'traditional'. His first bone of contention: Previously, filipina were somehow too shy to have sex before marriage, but modern filipinas are pumping out babies at a young age before marriage. Hence, they are no longer traditional. Not sure if that is correct.

The vid takes the viewpoint that traditional means that a girl didn't have sex before marriage. That would be out of keeping in latin-catholic countries where girls are encouraged to start having babies at a younger age (married or not). Accordingly, the majority of Mexican and Filipinas could not be trad-wives (regardless of how good she is at being such).

Its quite possible in Phils that your asawa has had multiple fellas, multiple kids, and still loves you while she revels in the role of asawa. To wit, here, she might dutifully perform (if not enjoys): Cleaning the house, running errands (indicates in her mind your trust in her to handle money, something she hasn't had before), washing clothes by hand, ironing, stepping into the shower and washing your hard-to-reach places, buy / prepare food and cooking, and paying the bills (with *your* money; and my God until recently before Paymaya and GC that often had to be done by paying each bill in person standing in a long line and in cash). A pinay once said to me: "You are providor. I will do all so that you can relax and not worry of any. Its my job as asawa". Sweetie, what does that include for you? "Tanan (everything). I cook, clean the house, pay the bills, wash the clothes, clean the dishes, shop the foods and shop for the home, children to the school, raise the kids at the cathedral with my mom and titas. You don't need to worry of any". And? "Hahaha. Sex!" If only your western ex-wife had this attitude?

You are more likely to get this away from the big smoke. The provinces are littered with women like this. Someone on this board posted a video a few months ago from YT*, which showed a Filipina in her home, videotaping her day doing the above, diligently preparing meals, cleaning, and doing other things the way her live-in foreigner wanted done. I find many pinay, including most of my nawty regulars, are similar: After a few visits, they have often fallen into similar behavior between pops -- cleaning, preparing food, then washing the dishes, and organizing my place, etc; it just seems to be built into them.

What does it take to keep this woman happy? Make sure that there is adequate income to pay the rent, repairs, food, own a vehicle (could be as simple as a motorcycle), and pay utility bills (this is what she means when she says she wants a simple life). 'Go around' with her once or twice a month (take her on a date, anywhere there is food, drink, and music, away from her kids). Offer to take her and her parents to lunch once a month. That's about it. You can thrill her by buying one of those electronic videoke machines that hooks into your TV for family sing-a-longs.

So, somewhat disagree with the vid. I know that I have just painted a very rosy picture of near-perfection, and given an overarching generalization. So, caveat: Not all Filipina are this way. But, many more are like this than in my home country. I believe that this might be the one that was posted previously:

* [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOiU55spJIo[/URL].

His item #5: Traditional values honor honesty and integrity. But filipina culture is to lie a lot. Hence, they are not traditional. Not sure where his definition of 'traditional' is, but it seems to come from his own past and ethnocentricity.

While this post appears to make a different case than Goferring intended, I think the video is spot-on in its description of the people here. Lying, scamming, pre-marital sex, ladyboy-ism, are simply ways of life here. I'm just not sure that they have anything to do with 'traditional', as traditional is unique to each culture?

Final caveat: Take her out of Phils to your country, and you might find that she begins to change, and to lose some of those rosy 'home-body' behaviors that she had in Phils.

Brought this skinny little critter into the city a few months ago. And I mean little (sub 5' and 32 kg). Extraordinary good few days. The things I put up with.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2943576]Brought this skinny little critter into the city a few months ago. And I mean little (sub 5' and 32 kg). Extraordinary good few days. The things I put up with.[/QUOTE]This are the wonderful opportunities once you life there and got 2 months time to raise her up. Well done!

But as a 2 week tourist nowadays: no chance.

Many years on, this one is still providing the goods. Smell the coffee.

AO, nice pic!

What are the best hotels in Manila mainly for fun / mongering but also safety and price 4/5 star.

Are these near bars / clubs (preferably).

What places are best for getting with women.

Any brothel type places or full service massage.

Best dating app or websites for hookups.

Anything else I should know for early 30's guy looking to have a real fun time.

What are the best hotels in Manila for mongering and near the action. Also safe 4/5 star?

Best bars / clubs / areas to go and pick up beautiful women?

The best dating apps and websites for mongering.

What are any additional things to know when looking to have a wild fun time for two weeks in Manila for a guy early 30's.

Ok, I'm Dr Slim and have been going to the philippines since 1997. I don't remember but there might be a way to search my dozens of posts and comments but I have not used this site in years. I've been to the Phils over 30 x. Here is the embarrasing part. Since I married my perfect filipina 16 years ago, we get picked up at the airport by family. BUT on our next trip we'll need to get into Makati on our own. What I used to do was roll my luggage over to the departure side and grab a metered taxi that just dropped someone off and use them to get into makati but its been years. HOW DO YOU GUYS GET INTO MANILA / MAKATI / TAGUIG etc these days. I don't like to use the airport car services as they are complete ripoffs. If I'm going to give money, I'd rather a regular taxi driver get it rather than the car service who robs the driver. FYI. I used to be a dirty old man monger to the extreme but have retired from mongering for 16 years. I have a million stories to tell but that's for another time. I'm kinda shocked my user name is still working on this site. LOL.

Which is better for pulling girls off of PinaLove for short time?

Makati or Quezon City?

And which is better overall in terms of food, cheaper hotels or airbnb and getting around transport wise.

Thanks in Advance.

--Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Zalrock;2945985]What are the best hotels in Manila mainly for fun / mongering but also safety and price 4/5 star.

Are these near bars / clubs (preferably).

What places are best for getting with women.

Any brothel type places or full service massage.

Best dating app or websites for hookups.

Anything else I should know for early 30's guy looking to have a real fun time.[/QUOTE]First, attempt to RTTF?

[QUOTE=DrSlim;2946021]Ok, I'm Dr Slim and have been going to the philippines since 1997. I don't remember but there might be a way to search my dozens of posts and comments but I have not used this site in years. I've been to the Phils over 30 x. Here is the embarrasing part. Since I married my perfect filipina 16 years ago, we get picked up at the airport by family. BUT on our next trip we'll need to get into Makati on our own. What I used to do was roll my luggage over to the departure side and grab a metered taxi that just dropped someone off and use them to get into makati but its been years. HOW DO YOU GUYS GET INTO MANILA / MAKATI / TAGUIG etc these days. I don't like to use the airport car services as they are complete ripoffs. If I'm going to give money, I'd rather a regular taxi driver get it rather than the car service who robs the driver. FYI. I used to be a dirty old man monger to the extreme but have retired from mongering for 16 years. I have a million stories to tell but that's for another time. I'm kinda shocked my user name is still working on this site. LOL.[/QUOTE]And that you remembered your password!

I assume you are entering internationally. The airport has been redesigned, you no longer need to go upstairs to departures to get a taxi. Step outside the main terminal doors and the first thing you will run into are those touts offering p1500 to your destination (called coupon taxis). I like them as there is never a wait, always available, and you never share a ride.

Walk straight past them across the street and you will see a line of yellow airport taxis. The yellow taxis have a p70 starting flag-fall, and p4 for every 300 meters, and p4 for each 2 minutes. Price to Makati would be p500-600. You tell a guy at a small window where you are going first. He writes you a chit saying your name and where you are going. One copy of the chit goes to you, one copy to the driver. If you only get one copy (the white one), keep it even if the driver asks for it. Yellow taxis can only return to the airport, they can't drive around town looking for customers. Fare is about 50% more than a white taxi.

White taxis. I think you turn right at the yellow taxis and walk about 50 meters. You will see a line of white taxis. Standard p40 flagfall, and then p13.5 each mile, and p2 each minute. Just make sure the driver turns the meter to P40 at the start of your ride. Most drivers are more honest than in the old days. Trip to Makati in traffic might be p350-400, or closer to 230-250 in light traffic.

You can also get a Grab taxi I think (see the website below).

Taguig will require going up the C5 highway I think, about 20% farther than Makati.

[URL]https://www.philippinebeaches.org/naia-manila-airport-transportation-guide/[/URL]

Now, tell us a story!

[QUOTE=DrSlim;2946021]Ok, I'm Dr Slim and have been going to the philippines since 1997. I don't remember but there might be a way to search my dozens of posts and comments but I have not used this site in years. I've been to the Phils over 30 x. Here is the embarrasing part. Since I married my perfect filipina 16 years ago, we get picked up at the airport by family. BUT on our next trip we'll need to get into Makati on our own. What I used to do was roll my luggage over to the departure side and grab a metered taxi that just dropped someone off and use them to get into makati but its been years. HOW DO YOU GUYS GET INTO MANILA / MAKATI / TAGUIG etc these days. I don't like to use the airport car services as they are complete ripoffs. If I'm going to give money, I'd rather a regular taxi driver get it rather than the car service who robs the driver. FYI. I used to be a dirty old man monger to the extreme but have retired from mongering for 16 years. I have a million stories to tell but that's for another time. I'm kinda shocked my user name is still working on this site. LOL.[/QUOTE]Personally, I like Grab. The only real issue is that, depending on the time of your arrival, the wait for any of the options can be extremely long. If you're arriving late in the evening (after 10), my experience has been that even the coupon taxi wait time is inexorably long. I waited over two hours one time for any available taxi.

Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time getting a driver that uses the meter. If your Filipina is with you, let her negotiate with the driver to make sure you get a good deal. That's why my ladies do best. Save me money hahaha.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2946105]First, attempt to RTTF?[/QUOTE]Rttf?

What is RTTF?

[QUOTE=Zalrock;2946305]Rttf?

What is RTTF?[/QUOTE]Read Thru The Forums.

Alternately RTFF: Read The F*cking Forums.

Suggest you read back 6 months each in these forums: General Info, Manila, Makati.

We have trouble answering generic / vague questions sometimes, especially when they include the word 'best' (as in bars, or girls), as that is subjective. However I can suggest to you the 'best' website for mongering is ISG; really great pictures.

Multiple apps have been discussed, and deserve a RTTF.

[QUOTE=Zalrock;2945985]What are the best hotels in Manila mainly for fun / mongering but also safety and price 4/5 star.

Are these near bars / clubs (preferably).

What places are best for getting with women.

Any brothel type places or full service massage.

Best dating app or websites for hookups.

Anything else I should know for early 30's guy looking to have a real fun time.[/QUOTE]Read The Fucking Forum. You can read, can't you?

Hi Guys,

I've done some research here but I was wondering if anyone has some more recent comments on the FL action at LA Cafe, or more recently Midnight Haven.

I usually stay in Makati on business and wondering if the place is worth a visit or basing myself nearby these days.

I've been weeding out my contact list of previous FL's lately and getting rid of the one-timers, who despite being amazing at mattress gymnastics, hassle the fuck out of me for cash for their 'sick kids'.

Thanks in advance _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2948786]Hi Guys,

I've done some research here but I was wondering if anyone has some more recent comments on the FL action at LA Cafe, or more recently Midnight Haven.

I usually stay in Makati on business and wondering if the place is worth a visit or basing myself nearby these days.[/QUOTE]LAC should be seen at least once. Go on a Friday or Saturday night. 100-200 FL crammed in there by about 9 pm. While there are plenty of fuglies, there are always some gems. The trick is getting the gem to agree to your price point. YMMV.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2948909]LAC should be seen at least once. Go on a Friday or Saturday night. 100-200 FL crammed in there by about 9 pm. While there are plenty of fuglies, there are always some gems. The trick is getting the gem to agree to your price point. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Thanks Westie,

I'll try and take a look.

I'll have a Friday night in Manila on my next visit in November on business.

Don't mind agreeing to a price point with the hotties as I'm a fairly good negotiator. Don't mind the semi-fuglies either sometimes. I've had some luck in the recent past with semi-decent looking FL's offering them 1000 p upfront and then 500 p a shot. Take it or leave it.

99% take up the offer and the bedroom action has been 100% better than the gogo barfine scenario _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2949077]Thanks Westie, I'll have a Friday night in Manila on my next visit in November on business.

Don't mind agreeing to a price point with the hotties as I'm a fairly good negotiator. Don't mind the semi-fuglies either sometimes. I've had some luck in the recent past with semi-decent looking FL's offering them 1000 p upfront and then 500 p a shot. Take it or leave it.

99% take up the offer and the bedroom action has been 100% better than the gogo barfine scenario _ Phil.[/QUOTE]Good things can be had there. That's the rumor.

Good morning gents.

Friday bargain hunting.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2950107]Friday bargain hunting.[/QUOTE]12 hours unli pops, for p12,000. That's about the price of a Burgos gogo girl, for the same amount of time. You get 1 or 2 pops from the gogo girl. Interesting.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2950140]12 hours unli pops, for p12,000. That's about the price of a Burgos gogo girl, for the same amount of time. You get 1 or 2 pops from the gogo girl. Interesting.[/QUOTE]Faaark! Here I am complaining that she left too early after 2 shots for 1500.

Chick in Davao wants 2 days, 48 hours for 3 k.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2950146]Faaark! Here I am complaining that she left too early after 2 shots for 1500.

Chick in Davao wants 2 days, 48 hours for 3 k.[/QUOTE]Hi G and Westie.

Yes, the art of negotiation.

It's incredible the amount of girls that need to 'sale' their phones.

Often I basically say to them that without a phone you'd be farked and if you want to hang onto it, you will be too.

At the right price.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2950259]Hi G and Westie.

Yes, the art of negotiation.

It's incredible the amount of girls that need to 'sale' their phones.

Often I basically say to them that without a phone you'd be farked and if you want to hang onto it, you will be too.

At the right price.

_Phil.[/QUOTE]They talk about 'sale' of phones to emotionally blackmail that they will land up cutting contacts with you -- they don't. Its just a hook to see whether we pay up.

From the archives. Was staying in Malate near Robinson's. Had a semi-regular girl that could be found in LAC and G-Point. Sometimes she would come over for several days at a time and not leave unless I booted her. I was in the habit of handing her p1000 for each night she stayed at the end of her time. Or alternately she'd go the first morning, and return around sundown. It was a blue note per night, whether we banged or not, and it was unli pops. There was no spoken agreement, its just what I handed her, and she never complained.

One early evening she came into the bedroom and asked what the plan was for the evening. Sweetie a f*ck and then we can go around for food / drinks somewhere. She started pealing off her clothes and I stopped her. Do you have any friends in GP who will want to go here? "Yes". Can you go get me one? Anyone skinny with a decent figure, I don't care the age. "Yes I will back. How much you will give? Um, 1000 the new girl and 500 to you. She dressed and was gone for about 25 minutes, and returned with this skinny. "She can 2 pops but can not stay the all night". It wasn't a 3-some, just me and the new gal. But the new gal was a complete cam sl*t and fun performer. One pop was enough. See pic; try to think of this as 'Pre-Covid Carbonated Vaccine Trials'.

Dem waz the daze.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;2950372]They talk about 'sale' of phones to emotionally blackmail that they will land up cutting contacts with you -- they don't. Its just a hook to see whether we pay up.[/QUOTE]Exactly correct.

Her preferred response is to hand over 5 k for a new phone so that she will still be able chat you.

Of course, correct reply is that if she's stupid enough to pawn her one cash supply, then there is nothing I can do to save her.

Enjoy. G.

So I get the overnight flight from USA to MNL, landing in the morning and cabbing directly to my BGC Airbnb. Grab breakfast and book an outcall massage girl, Marie. She arrives looking 10 years older than pics and administered me a much-needed handjob onto her tits. I wasn't impressed how she used her hands to block my cum, and my tip reflected this. With a wordless frown on her face, she departed.

Explored the area (impressive!) and then met my DIA find, Laurie, for dinner at a nearby hotspot. She arrives. Early and looking better than her pics and video. This world never ceases to surprise. Her English was pretty poor, and I barely understood most of what she said. But when she asked if I was her boyfriend, I knew the right answer! She agreed to come back to mine, and we started by kissing on the sofa. I was pleased that she "accidentally" rented her hand on my crotch, so I took her to the bedroom. She easily agreed to removing all her clothes, and she blew me for a while, then I licked her bald, moist pussy, some 69, and finally I fucked her in missionary until I pulled out and came all over her tits. She gratefully leaned her head forward to lick the remaining drops of cum off my still-pulsing cock.

Fall into a deep sleep, waking early thanks to the jet lag. Laurie kindly kisses me to arousal, so I lick her puss again. I sure do like the alacrity with which local girls shave their pussies here! She blows me for a while, and then I push my cock into her eager pussy. My phone is nearby so I grab it to capture the moment, and then fuck her thoroughly until I pull out and splash a load onto her face, grabbing my camera again for the big finish. Once again, she grabs my spurting cock and puts it in her mouth and swallows. She has a passive look on her face that's either boredom or arousal. Who knows!? There's cum on her t-shirt, her lips and her chin, so I'm happy. Breakfast and then I put her in a Grab so I can resume my day. First 24 hours went well!

Mabuhay.

Day 1: October 3.

Flew in from Jakarta after 14 days of sexpedition. Shockingly, Cebu Pathetic was on time. No issues of questions at immigration. I already had a filed and submitted. Did see them doing some Thermal Scanning before getting to Immigration, I am guessing due to the rise of Mpox. Bought a package of 3 Double Black for $139 at duty free which came with a Carry on bag (not that I needed).

Sim Card: Pure ripoff and pissoff situation. Both ate uglies at Smart and Globe was advertising SIM card ranges 1100-2100 pesos. I just shook my head and walked away.

Money exchange: All those bank owned money exchange were closed at 6 am and I was told, won't be open until 9 am. Only option I had was exchanging from the money exchange (yellow sign) whose rates are usually lower but not much of choice.

Grab / Taxi: If I were to give a dollar to punch a scammer taxi driver, I easily would've made $100 that morning. I was staying at 101 Fort BGC, Grab fare was 263, stammer taxis were asking 500-600. For Grab, you will have to wait by bay 4 of arrival area.

101 Fort BGC: Huge hotel, clean, has a mini fridge and microwave and a little sink. Basic hotel and clean. Warm shower. Definitely decent for a short stay and very friendly staff.

Detox and Dick Strike: I had a bad indigestion / bloating and fever from last day in Jakarta and that kinda stretched to Manila. Did not have any action at all.

Day 2: October 4.

My Ate: Yeah, you heard it right but not really my ate. I met her on Pina Love about an 9/10 months ago. Was in a LDR until we met. This is where I should take a moment to express my gratitude to Goferring and West Coast and others for giving me enthusiasm to give Philippines a try. I guess third time is the charm.

Back to ate, for clarification we joking call each other ate and Quia / Quiya! Initial plan was to go straight to Tagaytay and spend a week there but 2 weeks before I arrive, she had stopped messaging and trail went cold until I did a lot of persuasion. Long story short, she is going to work as an OFW to support her family as younger sister is starting college and other brother is sick and unable to work at this moment. She is 23, was studying as a medical student until OFW sister and one and only source of income died forcing her and her brother to come to manila to work. Nicest and prettiest spinner Pinay I have met to this date. From 6 days in Tagaytay, I had to scaled it down to 3. Showed up at Airbnb in BGC (I already had moved from 101 Fort to Airbnb in BGC before someone else points it out). Very soft spoken, shy and polite. We chitchatted for a bit and told me how she feels guilty for not being able to spend longer time due to challenges involving her current employer and she needs the money and provided accommodation to finish her training to go as an OFW.

After warmed her up and bit of chitchatting, started with kissing, went to bed, while undressing her, she hid her face and said she is very wet down there. It was flowing like she just squirted and I didn't even do much of a work yet. Had to listen her up as I was her second man since she lost her virginity which was 2 yrs ago. I am not huge big but decent size with many compliments from past ladies and despite me loosening her, it took me multiple attempts and her clenching her fist to get little guy in. Good 30 min of steamy action and after making her cum 2 x, I finished in BBFS. She quickly got up, ran to shower to clean up in fear of getting pregnant.

We had some grab food ordered in, rested for few hours, went to Venice canal mall to some supplies, got back to the Airbnb, went for action round 2. Taught her how to do cowgirl and reversed cowgirl, finished in BBFS and off she runs to the washroom. Pretty entertaining to see.

Day 3 October 5.

Morning wood: Woke up with a morning wood while she was asleep peacefully wrapped in Blanket, made my way in to her balnket then to her small boobs until she wakes up. Shy smile and grabbed little guy. Few minutes into it and I could feel the wet pussy while rubbing her clit. Started off missionary as she was still cold and didn't want to come out of blanket. A quick 10 minutes of action and finished in BBFS and her sprint to the washroom.

Showered and went to Market Market to get some breakfast and groceries. Got her some chocolate and cookies that she liked. Took a grab back to the Airbnb. She wanted to try Indian food, I knew of a good Pakistani restaurant from my previous trip so ordered fRon there. After lunch, I had some work to do and she took a nap. Had an evening action and I was mastering her on how to give BBBJ. Had a session on the couch. Made her cum 3 times, I pulled out and released in her mouth while she was doing BBBJ. The shock on her face was unbelievable and she wasn't sure what to do. I just hold on to her until she swallowed and runs to the washroom. I could her rinsing her mouth. We watched a movie together, ate dinner and went to sleep. I think 2 action including her multiple orgasm was enough.

Day 4 October 6:

I woke up with an alarm to attend a conference call. She was still asleep. So morning action. Finished my call, ate breakfast and went to Venice mall to get few more stuff. She wanted to eat some pastries from one of the stores there. Went to McDonald's and got lunch. Walked around for a bit then got back to Airbnb. We were going to go watch a movie but her di*k employer told her to get back to work tonight. Despite her wishes to stay overnight, she will have to get back to work by tonight. We had our last session before she left. Started on couch with BBBJ, moved to cowgirl, shifted to bed in missionary the pinned her legs up and reached orgasm together. We laid for a bit while kissing each other. Got up, took shower together. Booked a grab for her, went downstairs to see her off.

Damage: Didn't give her any money and she didn't ask for any. Out of this entire 8/9 month time, last year I had booked a round trip ticket to Kalibo to go see her mom and another ticket for her to go home next week but she won't be able to as she is going through training and preparation to go to overseas. If you some those up, total I had spent on her is approximately 3 k to 3. 5 k. Definitely a true gem and keeper out of all the money hungry skank we met in Pina Love and Cupid. I will definitely keep in touch with her for as long as we can.

I will be trying few online massage agencies and my spinners cousin is coming from province in 2 days. Will post separate reviews subsequently.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2951019]Mabuhay.

Day 1: October 3.

Flew in from Jakarta after 14 days of sexpedition. Shockingly, Cebu Pathetic was on time. No issues of questions at immigration. I already had a filed and submitted. Did see them doing some Thermal Scanning before getting to Immigration, I am guessing due to the rise of Mpox. Bought a package of 3 Double Black for $139 at duty free which came with a Carry on bag (not that I needed).

Sim Card: Pure ripoff and pissoff situation. Both ate uglies at Smart and Globe was advertising SIM card ranges 1100-2100 pesos. I just shook my head and walked away.

Money exchange: All those bank owned money exchange were closed at 6 am and I was told, won't be open until 9 am. Only option I had was exchanging from the money exchange (yellow sign) whose rates are usually lower but not much of choice..[/QUOTE]Good report. A little time invested pays off in spades!

Good report!

[QUOTE=Zippos;2951005]Did see them doing some Thermal Scanning before getting to Immigration, I am guessing due to the rise of Mpox. [/QUOTE]The little birdie tells me that thermal imaging is being done by businesses also. On display at The Landmark department store in Makati, when walking thru and transiting from Landmark to the Glorietta malls, there are a handful of visible cameras recording. Their feeds are displayed just to your right as you enter. There is normal video that is capturing faces, and also thermal images doing the same. You can watch yourself walking thru it. Or fly thru it.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2951005]Sim Card: Pure ripoff and pissoff situation. Both ate uglies at Smart and Globe was advertising SIM card ranges 1100-2100 pesos. I just shook my head and walked away.[/QUOTE]I am a bit baffeled by this myself. I have had the same SIM number for many years, and about 2 years ago I was forced to change the SIM card due to the new registration requirement by the government. Globe was kind enough to port my old phone number over to the new card, and helped me register it, at their office. But registration (at the time) was a bee-yotch. While its more streamlined now, its still time-consuming. Back then, the government allowed even new SIM cards to remain unregistered for a short period of time (30 days? 90 days? Can't recall) before they stopped working. I thought that was great for tourists, who could skip registering as they were here for a matter of weeks. But now all new SIM cards must be registered before they even work. Two mates told me that their recent ingress here required new SIM cards, a healthy data purchase from the seller, and the seller helps you register the card. What a major PITA for tourists.

A question for the fellas. Several of my girls have no valid ID, and can't get a new SIM card. Is there a way to get and use a SIM card for a short period of time that will work without registration?

[QUOTE=Zippos;2951005]Money exchange: All those bank owned money exchange were closed at 6 am and I was told, won't be open until 9 am. Only option I had was exchanging from the money exchange (yellow sign) whose rates are usually lower but not much of choice.[/QUOTE]While unusual, there have been times when I came thru NAIA and the exchangers were not operating. Either closed due to office hours, or covid, or employees simply were late to work maybe. Its best to come into any fresh country with a small amount of local currency (say, at least $20 USD / p1000). You can get it at money changers in your outbound airport (say, in the US), or from your bank in your country. Yes, you will get soaked on fees, but its worth spending $30 to get $20 in pesos, JUST IN CASE. Imagine inbounding into NAIA and not being able to pay for a taxi (newbs might not have downloaded Grab, or have GC). Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2951005]Grab / Taxi: If I were to give a dollar to punch a scammer taxi driver, I easily would've made $100 that morning. I was staying at 101 Fort BGC, Grab fare was 263, stammer taxis were asking 500-600. For Grab, you will have to wait by bay 4 of arrival area.[/QUOTE]I'm famous for bashing Grab. There is little rhyme or reason to their pricing. One morning you open your app to get a car ride from point [B]E[/B] to point [B]F.[/B]The Grab taxi shows p120-p160 (that is an estimate, all-inclusive, including the p59 Grab fee). The Grab car shows p180. You choose the p180, as you don't trust dishonest drivers who like to ride all over town, padding the distance portion of the meter. You arrive safely at your destination, and the cost is p180. Few hours later you want to head back home, so you Grab app the reverse. As traffic is now heavier, you expect to pay a bit more, as you will be in the car longer. The Grab taxi shows p150-p210 (that's not unreasonable). The Grab car shows p175. WTF? The Grab car amount went DOWN, in heavier traffic. You must wonder why the algorithm does this.

Worse, around 10 pm you decide to head back to the same place, from [B]E[/B] to [B]F.[/B], then return home to [B]E[/B] around midnight. Traffic is now lighter. The Grab taxi range shows p110-p150 (makes sense, similar to the morning fare). But the Grab car rate shows p240, considerably higher than in the morning. Possibly due to fewer such cars on the road in the evening. Around 1 am you decide to reverse and go home to [B]E. [/B] The Grab taxi shows a wild range of p160-p240. WTF? Traffic is lighter. The Grab car range shows p160. WTF? Are there now more such cars on the road?

The price and range changes constantly, one would think based on amount of traffic, choke points, number of such vehicles available, and so on. But it doesn't always make sense.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2951302]While unusual, there have been times when I came thru NAIA and the exchangers were not operating. Either closed due to office hours, or covid, or employees simply were late to work maybe. Its best to come into any fresh country with a small amount of local currency (say, at least $20 USD / p1000). You can get it at money changers in your outbound airport (say, in the US), or from your bank in your country. Yes, you will get soaked on fees, but its worth spending $30 to get $20 in pesos, JUST IN CASE. Imagine inbounding into NAIA and not being able to pay for a taxi (newbs might not have downloaded Grab, or have GC). Just sayin'.
[/QUOTE]I usually have some cash more for hotels that ask for a cash deposit to check in. I have Grab linked to a credit card but a couple of times had difficulty getting a Grab and succumbed to the taxi rip off. I use a roaming service from Australia. $A20 with 12 months expiry, 100 calls and 100 texts. I rarely call by phone but it is sometimes handy but the 4 GB of data is really helpful when out and about. 2 by 3 week trips and I've only used 1. 5 GB The reason I mentioned it is that I use Remitly to transfer Gcash. Its convenient with acceptable margins so as long as you have internet its easy to transfer to Gcash. It also does instant bank transfers and other mobile money.

Hey Westcoast,

Thanks for Detailed breakdown. I don't know how to reply with quote using phone, so I will just reply with respective breaks.

I always keep some amount of local currency with me for situations like this. Unfortunately this time, that wasn't enough. Unfortunately, sometimes don't have much of a choice. I was surprised though with their hours of operation. You would expect such places are open 24/7 considering it's an International Airport with lots of Traffic.

As per the globe store guy who helped me buy and setup the sim card account, told me, I have to upload a copy of my itinerary and apparently my service will end on specific date. Not sure how much of this info is true but I will know by end of the month when I return back to Manila.

I was surprised with the Grab pricing structure as well. I was wondering why 2 different pricing during pick time and off pick time. Definitely makes sense with your explanation.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2951302]Good report!

The little birdie tells me that thermal imaging is being done by businesses also. On display at The Landmark department store in Makati, when walking thru and transiting from Landmark to the Glorietta malls, there are a handful of visible cameras recording. Their feeds are displayed just to your right as you enter. There is normal video that is capturing faces, and also thermal images doing the same. You can watch yourself walking thru it. Or fly thru it.

I am a bit baffeled by this myself. I have had the same SIM number for many years, and about 2 years ago I was forced to change the SIM card due to the new registration requirement by the government. Globe was kind enough to port my old phone number over to the new card, and helped me register it, at their office. But registration (at the time) was a bee-yotch. While its more streamlined now, its still time-consuming. Back then, the government allowed even new SIM cards to remain unregistered for a short period of time (30 days? 90 days? Can't recall) before they stopped working. I thought that was great for tourists, who could skip registering as they were here for a matter of weeks. But now all new SIM cards must be registered before they even work. Two mates told me that their recent ingress here required new SIM cards, a healthy data purchase from the seller, and the seller helps you register the card. What a major PITA for tourists.

A question for the fellas. Several of my girls have no valid ID, and can't get a new SIM card. Is there a way to get and use a SIM card for a short period of time that will work without registration?

While unusual, there have been times when I came thru NAIA and the exchangers were not operating. Either closed due to office hours, or covid, or employees simply were late to work maybe. Its best to come into any fresh country with a small amount of local currency (say, at least $20 USD / p1000). You can get it at money changers in your outbound airport (say, in the US), or from your bank in your country. Yes, you will get soaked on fees, but its worth spending $30 to get $20 in pesos, JUST IN CASE. Imagine inbounding into NAIA and not being able to pay for a taxi (newbs might not have downloaded Grab, or have GC). Just sayin'.

I'm famous for bashing Grab. There is little rhyme or reason to their pricing. One morning you open your app to get a car ride from point [B]E[/B] to point [B]F.[/B]The Grab taxi shows p120-p160 (that is an estimate, all-inclusive, including the p59 Grab fee). The Grab car shows p180. You choose the p180, as you don't trust dishonest drivers who like to ride all over town, padding the distance portion of the meter. You arrive safely at your destination, and the cost is p180. Few hours later you want to head back home, so you Grab app the reverse. As traffic is now heavier, you expect to pay a bit more, as you will be in the car longer. The Grab taxi shows p150-p210 (that's not unreasonable). The Grab car shows p175. WTF? The Grab car amount went DOWN, in heavier traffic. You must wonder why the algorithm does this.

Worse, around 10 pm you decide to head back to the same place, from [B]E[/B] to [B]F.[/B], then return home to [B]E[/B] around midnight. Traffic is now lighter. The Grab taxi range shows p110-p150 (makes sense, similar to the morning fare). But the Grab car rate shows p240, considerably higher than in the morning. Possibly due to fewer such cars on the road in the evening. Around 1 am you decide to reverse and go home to [B]E. [/B] The Grab taxi shows a wild range of p160-p240. WTF? Traffic is lighter. The Grab car range shows p160. WTF? Are there now more such cars on the road?

The price and range changes constantly, one would think based on amount of traffic, choke points, number of such vehicles available, and so on. But it doesn't always make sense.[/QUOTE]

The Gentlemen Spa: An online based spa operates in Metro Manila and surroundings. Very responsive to queries. They are affiliated to other agencies as some of the same girls listed in those agencies and linked to websites.

Rates:

1. G1 - LM (1,199) - 1 HOUR LINGGAM MASSAGE.

2. G2- NR (1,999) - 1 HOUR NURU FULLY NAKED BODY TO BODY MASSAGE WITH SHOWER TOGETHER.

3. G3- TWIN (2,399) - 1 HOUR & 30 minutes. TWIN LINGGAM MASSAGE WITH TWO THERAPIST.

4. G4- COMBO (2,499) - 2 HOURS WITH THE THERAPIST, LINGGAM AND NURU MASSAGE WITH SHOWER TOGETHER.

5. G5- COMBO 2 (3,499) - 3 HOURS WITH THE THERAPIST, INCLUDING LINGGAM AND NURU MASSAGE WITH SHOWER TOGETHER.

6. LH (4999) - OVERNIGHT PACKAGE 5 HOURS WITH THE THERAPIST, INCLUDING LINGGAM AND NURU MASSAGE WITH SHOWER TOGETHER.

800 - ADDITIONAL EXTRA HOUR.

📌 RELEASE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RATES LISTED ABOVE. THAT WILL BE BETWEEN YOU AND OUR THERAPIST. WE ONLY OFFER MASSAGE SERVICE.

WE CATER: CAVITE, LAGUNA, METRO, MANILA, LAS PIÑAS, PARAÑAQUE, MUNTINLUPA AND ANY AREAS NEARBY.

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📌 500 FOR BACK & FORT TRANSPO (ADDITIONAL DEPENDS ON LOCATION).

Telegram: thegentlemenspa.

Unicorn: I had picked a girl name Scarlet, real name Kay. 19 yr old small girl with perky 36 D, as often Goferring says, find such in PH is like finding Unicorn.

I had picked G4 pack, 2 hrs Nuru for 2499 with an option to extend. Kay arrived 30 min late due to the traffic. First thing she said, she forgot Nuru Oil! Decided to use lotion I had (bad idea). I asked her about extra / sex / pop which she quoted 1500. We were both using google translate to communicate as she didn't speak English well.

Nuru: Not my first rodeo. Have had Nuru massage many times in my life and whatever she was doing, wasn't a Nuru massage. Since I had discussed an option to extend my session to LH 5 hrs, her phone was blowing up with back and forth messages insisting me to confirm before she gets booked right after! Yeah, took the bait and extended to 5 hrs. Massage continued for another 10/15 min then round 1 started.

I didn't have condom (shhh) and she didn't have either. Kept on stroking me whining "No Condom" big and kept on stroking. I just smiled and kept on enjoying the moment. Eventually gave up and started with BBBJ. Knows her game and does it well. I flipped her to 69 and pussy was clean but had a smell (most Pina has this distinctive smell). Moved to cowgirl where she would resist to let me fully enter in fear of pain but that didn't last long. Switched to missionary, once again tried to resist from let me in completely but failed. Started slowly then increased to ramming where she started crying but would ask me to go faster if I slow down. Made her cum first, continued with pounding until she came second time, pinned her legs up, rammed until I released. She got up, ran to shower and washed up.

Now, I have nearly 3 hrs to go. Asked her if she wanted to eat anything and ordered some Shrimp Sinigang. I had some chicken nuggets which she ate earlier (I guess I made her hungry). Food came, we ate together then sat on the couch. She was playing on her phone and at one point she ask if she can take a nap for 30 min, parked my hand on her boob and went to sleep laying down on my lap. Nice view, cute face to look at while my hand travels between boobs.

Round 2: Woke her up after 30 min, went to bedroom and same ritual. Took longer to finish this time. Showered and got dressed.

Golden pussy syndrome: Not sure if my dick could infect any pussy but suddenly she had developed Golden Pussy Syndrome. Paid 5 k for 5 hrs and 3 k for her. She was in shock saying, only 3 k for 2 pop! I told her, that's what we agreed on and we even communicated using Google Translate. You saw the number. She replied saying it's not fifteen hundred but fifteen thousand, LMAO. I just said, are you crazy or delusional! No one would pay 15 k for this service. Told her to get going as I will have to go outside. She put on her headphones on an effort to ignore me. Got up and walked out. Ciao Bella.

I had another booking with Mia but following what happened and they weren't able to pull the scam on me, never received any message to confirm time with Mia from the handler Ms. Venus.

Total Damage: 8 k for 2 pop. Didn't pay any tips or 500 php transportation fees.

Opinion: I had found these online massage agency following a post from one of the punter here on ISG who had a bi-sexual girlfriend and gets a weekend once in a month to have fun with other girls while girlfriend goes to her hometown. I'm not too sure if this is the same agency he mentioned or it was a different one but his report showed it's more the genuine side instead of scamming side.

I did inquire with another agency and. Are GODDESSES OF MANILA and realized these are the same agency with different names and different girls. Was given the same pricing and same types of responses to each question.

Zip: Great report.

Looks like I haven't posted a pic in a while. So. . .

October 8: As pre planned, I had my spinner's cousin flown from the province to Manila. She arrived shortly after 12 pm. Still petite and cute but have put on at least 4 lbs since we met last time. Had Jolibee ready as she told me, she was dying in Hunger! After food and shower, we sat on the couch and deed started. She was sorta cold mentioning having some pain in her lower abdomen. From couch to bed the back to couch and finished sweating. When I took out little guy, I saw bit of blood! When inquired about her period, she replied it's late and haven't have her period yet. Had another round of sessions before went to sleep and still blood.

October 9: Next day she was on a lot of pain and had full blown menstruation! We did have another session with condom but smell of period and her discomfort didn't yield much of a pleasure for both of us.

October 10: No action at all. Didn't wanted to deal with Bloody Mary.

October 11: Same as yesterday. She literally laid on her stomach holding a pillow. She did try to give me a BBBJ but that didn't go anywhere.

October 12: We both checked out, I went to Bangkok for a work trip while she went to province.

Damage: 7 k + 2 k for Cebu Pathetic flight.

Sometimes we can't just avoid the inevitable. I had few other girls lined up from Pina Love but her being here, I couldn't even get those girls.

Now back to Manila for 3 days and already got scammed by a Bakla.

A joyous occasion about to begin. . .

Hey folks,

I've read through the last 10-15 pages and can see quite a few conflicting reports. Some say it's easy for bule to pick up pinay in coffee shops, or just turn on Tinder, be direct about your intentions and they'll come flocking. Others say it's not the best for short-term visitors these days (2-3 weeks).

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.

I'm keen to hit the Far east but am flexible on location and so perhaps there's another country / city that would be better for non-paid action with the locals?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]Hey folks,

I've read through the last 10-15 pages and can see quite a few conflicting reports. Some say it's easy for bule to pick up pinay in coffee shops, or just turn on Tinder, be direct about your intentions and they'll come flocking. Others say it's not the best for short-term visitors these days (2-3 weeks).

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.

I'm keen to hit the Far east but am flexible on location and so perhaps there's another country / city that would be better for non-paid action with the locals?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]First of all 2-3 weeks is not short term, and in your situation, being young and good looking, you'll find non payable action, but if you don't want to pay for pussy stick to big cities, stay away from red light areas, don't expect the girls to jump on you at first sight, and you'll have to put in some effort like everywhere else, most likely you will not get laid from the first encounter. The guy paying for food, and drinks is a must, everywhere in the world were normal people still exists, so don't even mention it here or anywhere else outside the US or W Europe.

I traveled the world extensively in my younger years, and the only place were the girls were literarily throwing themselves at you if you're white, was in Manaus, Brazil, but that was 25 years ago, it may not be the case our days. I don't know how you look, but in the SEA to achieve that level of performance, you have to look exactly like a K-pop star, (tall, skinny, girly face with big nose, asian of course, basically the type that only exists in korean movies, and video clips) kind of like you take it in the ass, but then you will not be here looking for info.

The online scene is mostly fakes, or pay for pussy, no Tinder hookups western style. The few real ones that are not for hire, require time and commitment, you may end up visiting with the family.

The quick action you're looking for is mostly available in vacationing spots, where they go usually with friends, and they feel no constrains, but you have to break them away from the group, and you may get lucky.

Of course there are always exceptions from the rule, and it may work out different for you.

But wherever you are, If you decide to pay for the pussy, they will flock to you like you described, and not only in SEA, also in the west, the only real difference is the amount of money you're paying, and how you're paying it: buying champagne in a Las Vegas club for the show, or a sack of rice in SEA for the hungry family.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.

[/QUOTE]I suggest you read my recent posts in the Other Areas and General threads about chasing good girls. It's based around Mindanao but Manila will be essentially the same. There will be two barriers: her morals and available time. If she has work and family commitments, then the latter will be the bigger obstacle.

Any girl available at short notice because she is waiting for any white guy to call will want to be paid.

I note you have asked the same question of many cities around the world without giving follow up field reports. Most guys are happy to help with info. However, there is an expectation that it is reciprocated with what happened on your trips.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]Hey folks,

I've read through the last 10-15 pages and can see quite a few conflicting reports. Some say it's easy for bule to pick up pinay in coffee shops, or just turn on Tinder, be direct about your intentions and they'll come flocking. Others say it's not the best for short-term visitors these days (2-3 weeks).

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.
[/QUOTE]Try going to a rural area and go to their church. You may be able to fool some girls into thinking you are marriage material, and they will have sex with you. Otherwise, most women want something from you, after all, don't you want something from them? Maybe they want a long-term marriage partner? You could try a regular dating app and see if you can have sex with them.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]Hey folks,

I've read through the last 10-15 pages and can see quite a few conflicting reports. Some say it's easy for bule to pick up pinay in coffee shops, or just turn on Tinder, be direct about your intentions and they'll come flocking. Others say it's not the best for short-term visitors these days (2-3 weeks).

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.

I'm keen to hit the Far east but am flexible on location and so perhaps there's another country / city that would be better for non-paid action with the locals?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Define "non paid". In SEA the line between "good" girls and "ho" is very thin and very fluid. Because of the huge difference in wealth levels between you and them there will always be an expectation of some financial help. This can come in the form of direct P4 P or a longer game of milking you. The former is cheaper. You may try to "date" higher income professional women who may not ask for money but they will expect gifts, be jealous, expect monogamy, and will definitely not put out in the first date. All in all, for a two week visit it will be a lot of work for marginal results. If you want to fuck hot women just pay them. If you pay more and go the Seeking route, you will find English speaking somewhat educated students etc as well.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335] Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Mate, I have to agree with what the other guys have offered as we're all Phils regulars.

If you just want to pay for food and drinks and expect sex for free, that's not going to happen.

Not in the Phils or any other country for that matter.

By the time you waste your time on a short trip trying to hook-up on dating sites etc. It will be a complete waste of time.

After numerous visits I've been lucky enough to befriend a number of locals and pay a visit to my favorite girls depending on my business itinerary.

Yes, I pay for their food and drinks, but I also tip them on average 1500 p a day for their services.

(It's a lot cheaper than bar girls and they're more genuine from experience).

If you want sex for free in any city in the world, it won't happen.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2955438]I suggest you read my recent posts in the Other Areas and General threads about chasing good girls. It's based around Mindanao but Manila will be essentially the same. There will be two barriers: her morals and available time. If she has work and family commitments, then the latter will be the bigger obstacle.

Any girl available at short notice because she is waiting for any white guy to call will want to be paid.

I note you have asked the same question of many cities around the world without giving follow up field reports. Most guys are happy to help with info. However, there is an expectation that it is reciprocated with what happened on your trips.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks all for the responses. Really useful insight which is much appreciated.

Yeah I have asked similar question in other city threads but have nothing to report as yet as I had to postpone my trip twice due to personal reasons. When I have something useful to report I will be sure to do so.

Thanks again.

I went to Manila last year for a couple of weeks and am going back again soon to see my partner. This time I've booked to stay in Pasay and Makati. If I get the opportunity I will try to go to the girly bars down the road near my hotel in Pasay, and P. Burgos in Makati. If I get the opportunity. Been reading the threads as far back as a year ago for Makati and Manila. Appreciate all the comments that were added in both threads. If I get time before my trip, I will write last year's brief experiences of the P. Burgos area in the Makati thread.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]Hey folks,

I've read through the last 10-15 pages and can see quite a few conflicting reports. Some say it's easy for bule to pick up pinay in coffee shops, or just turn on Tinder, be direct about your intentions and they'll come flocking. Others say it's not the best for short-term visitors these days (2-3 weeks).

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.

I'm keen to hit the Far east but am flexible on location and so perhaps there's another country / city that would be better for non-paid action with the locals?.[/QUOTE]You really don't have any value to a girl in PH.

An 80 year old drunk with a pocket full of pesos beats a peso less decent looking 40 yo any day of the week.

Here is a starter Map.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]Hey folks,

I've read through the last 10-15 pages and can see quite a few conflicting reports. Some say it's easy for bule to pick up pinay in coffee shops, or just turn on Tinder, be direct about your intentions and they'll come flocking. Others say it's not the best for short-term visitors these days (2-3 weeks).

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.

I'm keen to hit the Far east but am flexible on location and so perhaps there's another country / city that would be better for non-paid action with the locals?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Free pussy. Yeah you loacate that destination on earth and we will all be there. Dogs or Hogs or granny's may be possible, but you can do that at home, why travel.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]I'm keen to hit the Far east but am flexible on location and so perhaps there's another country / city that would be better for non-paid action with the locals?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Mate, the Vagina has and will always be an economy in itself. If you find one, you're going to have to pay in some way to take advantage of it, no matter where in the world you're searching. If you do ever happen to find a free one, please share _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]Hey folks,

I've read through the last 10-15 pages and can see quite a few conflicting reports. Some say it's easy for bule to pick up pinay in coffee shops, or just turn on Tinder, be direct about your intentions and they'll come flocking. Others say it's not the best for short-term visitors these days (2-3 weeks).

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.

I'm keen to hit the Far east but am flexible on location and so perhaps there's another country / city that would be better for non-paid action with the locals?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]If there are tall young Korean or Japanese guys around, you stand no chance.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2957758]If there are tall young Korean or Japanese guys around, you stand no chance.[/QUOTE]I don't think they are coming to PH, I only saw few like you describe, and they were always accompanied by pretty Korean girls. The majority of Koreans coming to PH are young and puffy, but the filipinas still crazy about them because they're the closest thing to the K-pop stars and actors they get bombarded with on TV and phone. Sometimes I wonder if that's part of some grand mind control experiment conducted by the Koreans.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2957722]Mate, the Vagina has and will always be an economy in itself. If you find one, you're going to have to pay in some way to take advantage of it, no matter where in the world you're searching. If you do ever happen to find a free one, please share _ Phil.[/QUOTE]Or alternately, if the OP finds one that costs money, but is attractive and has few miles on it (bit like a used car), please share. . .

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2957808]Or alternately, if the OP finds one that costs money, but is attractive and has few miles on it (bit like a used car), please share. . .[/QUOTE]A possible new business opportunity??

Where I am, the local AA offers a $79 pre purchase check and inspection. I'm sure lots of LDR Romeo's would jump at the opportunity of a confirmation that girlie is who she says she is and performs as promised. 😊.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2957831]A possible new business opportunity??

Where I am, the local AA offers a $79 pre purchase check and inspection. I'm sure lots of LDR Romeo's would jump at the opportunity of a confirmation that girlie is who she says she is and performs as promised. 😊.

G.[/QUOTE]Am happy to test drive the unit for half that price. Capitalism at its best.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2957793]I don't think they are coming to PH, I only saw few like you describe, and they were always accompanied by pretty Korean girls. The majority of Koreans coming to PH are young and puffy, but the filipinas still crazy about them because they're the closest thing to the K-pop stars and actors they get bombarded with on TV and phone. Sometimes I wonder if that's part of some grand mind control experiment conducted by the Koreans.[/QUOTE]Read his last sentence.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2957831]A possible new business opportunity??

Where I am, the local AA offers a $79 pre purchase check and inspection. I'm sure lots of LDR Romeo's would jump at the opportunity of a confirmation that girlie is who she says she is and performs as promised. 😊.

G.[/QUOTE]This is a good idea, but the market is so large. Being that the Philippines requires a sim be registered, it is possible to run a service similar to Mr. Number in the US (which a lot of escorts use to write notes about clients). It isn't foolproof, though, and comments aren't verified. But maybe it's the closest we could get to something that would work like that for working girls. But for LDR Romeos, I don't think it would make a difference even if it is a private investigator. People will believe what they want to believe if they are infatuated and have their guard down. Been there, got that t-shirt, and moved on. . .

You live and you learn.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2957793]The majority of Koreans coming to PH are young and puffy, but the filipinas still crazy about them because they're the closest thing to the K-pop stars and actors they get bombarded with on TV and phone. Sometimes I wonder if that's part of some grand mind control experiment conducted by the Koreans.[/QUOTE]Mate, I'm not sure if the K-Pop thing and a Korean fascination is the real reason.

It's 'cause they've got the cash and the Korean businesses have filtered in and work together to supply their customers with the whole experience.

I sit back having a late afternoon beer in Sabang, just in time for the Korean guys to parade their talent down the new boardwalk on their way to a Korean restaurant.

And the girls look absolutely miserable.

Yes, there's your typically loud Americans, obnoxious fellow Australian's and up-front rude Europeans (ie: Germans) about, but the Koreans have perfected the take-over.

I sit back with my older Filipina pocket-rocket gymnast and she confirms it all.

As someone who has worked in the scene for many years, and was a Mama at one stage, she suggested us obnoxious ones should stick to the older, more experienced girls for a better and cheaper experience. The young ones are just chasing the Korean cash.

She's not wrong in my opinion.

The genuine girls want a good time with you and it's not short time only.

Keep in touch with them, and chances are, you'll have the best ride of your life with a girl who's a little more mature and great fun at the same time.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2957952]Mate, I'm not sure if the K-Pop thing and a Korean fascination is the real reason.

It's 'cause they've got the cash and the Korean businesses have filtered in and work together to supply their customers with the whole experience.

I sit back having a late afternoon beer in Sabang, just in time for the Korean guys to parade their talent down the new boardwalk on their way to a Korean restaurant.

And the girls look absolutely miserable.

Yes, there's your typically loud Americans, obnoxious fellow Australian's and up-front rude Europeans (ie: Germans) about, but the Koreans have perfected the take-over.

I sit back with my older Filipina pocket-rocket gymnast and she confirms it all.

As someone who has worked in the scene for many years, and was a Mama at one stage, she suggested us obnoxious ones should stick to the older, more experienced girls for a better and cheaper experience. The young ones are just chasing the Korean cash.

She's not wrong in my opinion.

The genuine girls want a good time with you and it's not short time only.

Keep in touch with them, and chances are, you'll have the best ride of your life with a girl who's a little more mature and great fun at the same time.

Just my experience _ Phil.[/QUOTE]I was married to one 27 years younger than me for almost a decade, but I didn't listen to the forum advice not to take them out of the Philippines (mine was Vietnamese) after that I got myself a few "older" ones, in their 30's, but lately it just happened that they were all much younger, the one that lives with me right now is 24, we been together for over 1 year, and so far it works great, especially that she has no kids. For her benefit I'm trying to show her the real ways the world works, not how they see it from the PH perspective, but only lately she started to show interest, after she talked to some of the filipino crew on the cruises we took together, and she realized that there are many opportunities in this world, unknown to the commoners, and she may not know everything like she was convinced before. In a way is fun to see results when remodeling a young mind, I have previous experience from the vietnamese one, but that one wasn't that stubborn. Right now I'm working on shyness, clothing, and most important on the gastronomic preferences.

We are far from AC, the Koreans didn't discovered this island yet, but when her GFs come over and they watch TV together, they always giggle and comment when they see all those boys that look like girls in the korean telenovelas, this is one of the reasons why I'm saying that there must be something else than only money, when the AC BGs only want to get BF by koreans, but who knows for real what's going on in their mind? Few of the BGs in AC told me that they have Korean boyfriends, and they will take them to Korea, but of course they all went dark, I even met one that was pregnant with one, and a few that lost their virginity to them.

Two of my Friends Married their girl friends and both got a divorced by their wife's once they got back to the USA.

Good Luck.

[QUOTE=Doggus;2955335]Hey folks,

I've read through the last 10-15 pages and can see quite a few conflicting reports. Some say it's easy for bule to pick up pinay in coffee shops, or just turn on Tinder, be direct about your intentions and they'll come flocking. Others say it's not the best for short-term visitors these days (2-3 weeks).

Before I drop a few $ on flights & hotel can anyone confirm which is more accurate? FWIW I'm 40, decent looking white guy in good shape if that makes any difference. Only interested in non-paid encounters although happy to pay for the food / drinks on dates.

I'm keen to hit the Far east but am flexible on location and so perhaps there's another country / city that would be better for non-paid action with the locals?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2958008]I was married to one 27 years younger than me for almost a decade, but I didn't listen to the forum advice not to take them out of the Philippines (mine was Vietnamese) after that I got myself a few "older" ones, in their 30's, but lately it just happened that they were all much younger, the one that lives with me right now is 24, we been together for over 1 year, and so far it works great, especially that she has no kids. For her benefit I'm trying to show her the real ways the world works, not how they see it from the PH perspective, but only lately she started to show interest, after she talked to some of the filipino crew on the cruises we took together, and she realized that there are many opportunities in this world, unknown to the commoners, and she may not know everything like she was convinced before. In a way is fun to see results when remodeling a young mind, I have previous experience from the vietnamese one, but that one wasn't that stubborn. Right now I'm working on shyness, clothing, and most important on the gastronomic preferences.

We are far from AC, the Koreans didn't discovered this island yet, but when her GFs come over and they watch TV together, they always giggle and comment when they see all those boys that look like girls in the korean telenovelas, this is one of the reasons why I'm saying that there must be something else than only money, when the AC BGs only want to get BF by koreans, but who knows for real what's going on in their mind? Few of the BGs in AC told me that they have Korean boyfriends, and they will take them to Korea, but of course they all went dark, I even met one that was pregnant with one, and a few that lost their virginity to them.[/QUOTE]I would wager, the Korean love soap dramas are the no 1 watched on NEtflix.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2929041]I had a 24 h layover in Manila, after going through the forum I saw many folks mentioning LA Cafe so I gave it a try. I arrived around 9. 30 pm and have to say I never saw so many ugly girls at one place. They asked me if I know the prices and I said between 2,500 - 3,000 and then they started laughing. They said min. Is 5,000[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2929107]I was there in 2020 right before everything shut down, and the place was packed by ladies obviously in their 30's and older and sorta fugly[/QUOTE]It's important to realise the kind of venue LA Cafe is. It's not somewhere you go, have a quick saunter around, pick a stunner and take her home. It's a freelance bar packed with many girls, the large majority of which will not be to your liking. But there are always gems if you are patient. I find it's a bar best enjoyed with a drinking partner, to have a few beers and make a no-rush choice which girl you're taking back to your hotel. Also worth bearing in mind that 11 pm-12 am seems to be when a lot of the prettier girls arrive and generally the prettier girls can be found upstairs.

Regarding prices, it depends on the quality of girl obviously, but 5000 is very steep. In March this year I met this cutie, standing in the bar downstairs. She was 23, absolutely tiny with a pretty face. When I asked how much she replied '3000 for two hours'. Next night I chose a girl purely based on the size of her tits (D-Cups, you'd approve). She quoted 5000 but immediately accepted my 3000 counter-offer.

On a side-note, is it true LA Cafe has changed its name to Midnight Haven?? Not the greatest name for a bar famed for being open 24 hours! I might offer them some free marketing advice when I next visit in February.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2958008]
We are far from AC, the Koreans didn't discovered this island yet, but when her GFs come over and they watch TV together, they always giggle and comment when they see all those boys that look like girls in the korean telenovelas, this is one of the reasons why I'm saying that there must be something else than only money, when the AC BGs only want to get BF by koreans, but who knows for real what's going on in their mind? Few of the BGs in AC told me that they have Korean boyfriends, and they will take them to Korea, but of course they all went dark, I even met one that was pregnant with one, and a few that lost their virginity to them.[/QUOTE]Its pretty simple. Koreans are simpler clients than westerners. Westerners will interview the girl and ask invasive questions in the bar like, do you give head without a condom, do you do anal? Do you do this or that. Who wants to answer questions like that? Yes we all know they are hookers, but they have still have a sense of shame about their work. I've seen it mentioned before and I agree. Koreans are more about appearances. They want the most beautiful woman and they are not price sensitive about it. Then they just sit and watch the Koreans drink, many times, they don't even have sex.

Would you rather sit around and drink with some korean guy or get paid less and get hammered all night by some westerner? Answer seems pretty obvious to me.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;2929041]I had a 24 h layover in Manila, after going through the forum I saw many folks mentioning LA Cafe so I gave it a try. I arrived around 9. 30 pm and have to say I never saw so many ugly girls at one place. I found one that looked half way decent, started talking to her, she needed help from her friends because she didn't speak english well and they quickly wanted to find out if I came here before.

I said it's my first time but the place was recommended to me. They asked me if I know the prices and I said between 2,500 - 3,000 and then they started laughing. They said min. Is 5,000, which I found a bit odd because I could swear I saw an amount mentioned here below 3,000. I went out to make my way home and another girl came over to talk to me.

She was average looking and I thought since I was technically already on my way home I asked her if she wants to come with me. I asked her how much and she also said 5,000, to which I said that I only have 4,000 and within a blink of an eye she said that was okay for her. Now I knew they were inflating the prices. The taxi came after 10 min and I told her that I changed my mind. Left home alone, but didn't loose 4,000 to average looking chicks.[/QUOTE]They probably spotted you from a mile away as a first timer. Of course they are going to say 5 k. I laughed so hard when I read your line about never seeing so many ugly girls in 1 place. You're so right. LA Cafe is where average girls (5's) go to feel like they are 10's. Its that bad. If you go in there not expecting much, then it can be fun. But if you going there to find some pretty filipinas, you've gone to the wrong place. With the amount of makeup the typical LA Cafe girl uses, I'm surprised when they can form a smile.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2958026]Its pretty simple. Koreans are simpler clients than westerners. Westerners will interview the girl and ask invasive questions in the bar like, do you give head without a condom, do you do anal? Do you do this or that. Who wants to answer questions like that? Yes we all know they are hookers, but they have still have a sense of shame about their work. I've seen it mentioned before and I agree. Koreans are more about appearances. They want the most beautiful woman and they are not price sensitive about it. Then they just sit and watch the Koreans drink, many times, they don't even have sex.

Would you rather sit around and drink with some korean guy or get paid less and get hammered all night by some westerner? Answer seems pretty obvious to me.[/QUOTE]You're right about the koreans, a girl even told me that the korean she's been with didn't touch her for I don't know how many days, and before leaving asked her for a bite on his neck to show off back home how he drove her crazy in bed.

About interviewing the girl about the stuff that we're going to do, I never ask in a brutal way for example for CIM, I always play around with words, telling her that she has the prettiest mouth I ever seen, and I would really, really like to come in it because is irresistible, or stuff like that. I ask my questions while praising the girl, and even if she says no to something, you can tell if you can change her mind or not later. I never treat them like cattle.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2958026]Its pretty simple. Koreans are simpler clients than westerners. Westerners will interview the girl and ask invasive questions in the bar like, do you give head without a condom, do you do anal? Do you do this or that. Who wants to answer questions like that? Yes we all know they are hookers, but they have still have a sense of shame about their work. I've seen it mentioned before and I agree. Koreans are more about appearances. They want the most beautiful woman and they are not price sensitive about it. Then they just sit and watch the Koreans drink, many times, they don't even have sex.

Would you rather sit around and drink with some korean guy or get paid less and get hammered all night by some westerner? Answer seems pretty obvious to me.[/QUOTE]There's also the issue of dick size.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2958011]I would wager, the Korean love soap dramas are the no 1 watched on NEtflix.[/QUOTE]Yes the TV is stuck on that, but is better than half a year ago when they were watching some bullshit trial of a chinese woman from AC that was doing money laundering for the CCP, it looked like a kindergarten trial.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2958047]Yes the TV is stuck on that, but is better than half a year ago when they were watching some bullshit trial of a chinese woman from AC that was doing money laundering for the CCP, it looked like a kindergarten trial.[/QUOTE]I'll just say it kills me how everything in the Philippines is set up to look / feel so "official," even for the most mundane things.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2958008]I was married to one 27 years younger than me for almost a decade, but I didn't listen to the forum advice not to take them out of the Philippines (mine was Vietnamese) after that I got myself a few "older" ones, in their 30's, but lately it just happened that they were all much younger, the one that lives with me right now is 24, we been together for over 1 year, and so far it works great, especially that she has no kids. For her benefit I'm trying to show her the real ways the world works, not how they see it from the PH perspective, but only lately she started to show interest, after she talked to some of the filipino crew on the cruises we took together, and she realized that there are many opportunities in this world, unknown to the commoners, and she may not know everything like she was convinced before. In a way is fun to see results when remodeling a young mind, I have previous experience from the vietnamese one, but that one wasn't that stubborn. Right now I'm working on shyness, clothing, and most important on the gastronomic preferences.
[/QUOTE]Hi Old and Ugly.

As long as you're both happy is what counts and if they're younger, then all the better some may say.

It does take an effort to educate them, but they are who they are, and I'm sure that's why we appreciate the Filipinas.

If they all had western female values and traits we wouldn't be looking there in the first place.

As for the Koreans, my GF in Sabang has just educated me on how they operate there.

Basically, it's like a package deal for them. Their diving's sorted, their restaurants are sorted and the girls seem to be too.

Good luck to them. I think if westerners have an issue, just behave yourself, present decently and think outside of the box.

As for gastronomic preferences, good luck.

I know when Filipinas settle in a western country, they tend to balloon due to all the processed food pushed by multi-nationals in cooperation with the major supermarkets _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2818432]Can you kindly clarify how you will be clarifying the market back to 1 k please?I will await your report to see how one man with one dick with 1 k will change the market back to 2019. Of course the girls will have to be at least 7's to count.Simple. Offer 1 k and wait. However, TF could be waiting a long time or have to dramatically lower his standards.

Having said that, I have been surprised in the past at what girls will accept when pressed / in need or when the guy has the luxury of time to wait.

BELOW QUOTES FROM OTHERS NOT Dg8787

Enjoy. G.P2500 would not have been a huge overpayment before covid, it would have been simply a newb mistake (or something done for convenience sake). Regardless of what you experienced pre-covid, some things have changed. Some for the better, some not. For instance, Burgos prices have risen far less than inflation, while AC prices have roughly doubled. Are market forces (ie, the rich K's moving in) madness? The price per pound of ground hamburger doubled in my home country where my family lives during covid, and gasoline rocked up to $5 per gallon at one point. It wasn't madness to pay that. We often use the term 'the going rate' on this forum, then we don't like it when the going rate changes.

BTW, there are more than inflationary items working here.[/QUOTE]Worked Robinsons, Bocobo, Remedios, Mabini, Del Pilar etc.

Was quoted P1500 by and large and easily countered down to 1 k on most occasions. Some stood at 1. 2 and 1. 3. One stood at 1. 5 and I rejected her (she was fat anyway LOL). Couple of 6.5s and 7s.

You guys aren't sticking to your guns.

Whomever is paying these street girls P2.5k you should be drug out into the street and SHOT.

No stunners but wasn't looking for that. The Korean places were a bit desperate and there are WAY more K clubs than pre covid I noticed. They were all calling out to me which made me think there is a shortage of Koreans...



I also visited Pattaya, THEY were NOT budging. Soi 6 wanted THB 2.4k THB. ~$70 SOI SIX. Got a couple down to THB 2K including room. Pulled an African with the biggest titties and behind from Beach Road, from Nairobi Kenya. She was a lot of fun. 700THB, countered down. I called her over and I was like how much? She said 1.5THB I frowned. She asked how much could I pay? I quoted 700. She said ok. I am such a cheap charlie. She's doing TESOL in Bangkok and working the Beach at night. She's was kind of cute too. You will find her at the entrance of beach road right after all the motorbike parking right after walking street if you care for a buxom African.
GOOD LORD Pattaya has changed so much since my first foray in 2001. I gotta stay in shape to compete out there...

[QUOTE=TravelFox;2959040]Worked Robinsons, Bocobo, Remedios, Mabini, Del Pilar etc.

Was quoted P1500 by and large and easily countered down to 1 k on most occasions. Some stood at 1. 2 and 1. 3. One stood at 1. 5 and I rejected her (she was fat anyway LOL). Couple of 6.5s and 7s.
[/QUOTE]Easy enough to do, like buying slighlty spoiled fruit (bar bananas) in a market. Some of the all in package prices folk here quote astound me. No way would I pay more than 1. 5 k long time and then only grudgingly. You are not even getting a good Jolibee for your money. As for SA and up market (ha ha) bars, forget about it. You have flown to a 3rd world shtt hole so play 3rd world prices or get baby oil and tissue paper.

Been wanting to visit Phil. From a long time, finally found some time in October. Spent 3 nights in Manila. Makati area. (Spent 10 days in BKK and PTY afterwards).

Travel:

US to MNL via TPE. EVA Air. Great connections and flights were on time. Went with Premium Economy and felt that it was an upgrade worth the extra money. Food options could've been better.

Currency Exchange:

Exchanged USD at one of those money exchange places in the airport. Forgot the exact name, TDO?? Their location was towards the corner, past the sim card people. Better rates compared to others.

SIM:

Bought a prepaid SIM. Easy activation using my unlocked phone.

Taxi:

Booked a Grab to my hotel. Very easy to use. And affordable.

Hotel:

City Garden Grand Makati. Booked through Agoda. Around $75 per night for a Deluxe King room.

Many people recommend this hotel and I could see why. Excellent location, guest friendly, and clean rooms.

I was pleasantly surprised to learn they do money exchange at the hotel reception. Used it one late night when there were no other options around. Not the best rate but works in an emergency situation.

I did spot some working girls at the rooftop bar in the late evening hours. Didn't engage with them.

Action:

Day 1 - Arrival day, walked around the Makati Burgos area around 11 pm. Most night clubs were closed (it being a Tuesday) - landed at a rooftop bar. Spotted a couple good looking semi-pros who were giving me the looks, started chatting them up and a couple of hours later, they were both in my room. Had a good threesome with both and they were happy to take 3 k each. One wanted to stayover but I kicked them out when I was sleepy.

Day 2 - Messaged a few girls on PL and found one decent option for day time action. The girl came over and she was a bit thicker and shorter than I expected. Good GFE experience in bed. 3 hours 3 K damage, with my special requests included. It's a bit of time taking activity on PL, so I felt its a better option for longer term stays. It was still worth the $20 bucks, IMO.

Late Evening. Took a grab to LA Cafe. Good place to visit at least once. Spent a couple of hours.

Night time, another PL girl that I had lined up while sitting at LA Cafe, came over. She was hotter in person, to my surprise. Asked for 4 K for LT which I happily paid after the 3 shots I could manage. She left after having breakfast with me in the morning.

Day 3 - Daytime, explored the Ayala mall. Couldn't find any FLs (as I had read) but its probably my timing being incorrect.

Night time, went to a few Gogos on Burgos. Lips was the best, IMO. Don't waste your time downstairs. Just go upstairs straight and there were at least 30 girls. Lot of good looking ones. I asked the two hottest looking girls to come over. After a LD, one tells me she is tired and doesn't want to be barfined. The other wants 7 K (instead of the regular 5 K rate). I told them no thanks.

Asked another friendly looking one to come over. She was happy that I picked her. Readily agreed to be barfined after 1 LD and off we went. She was not the hottest one but definitely made me happy with her bedroom skills. 3900 Barfine + 5 K for the girl + 500 Tip.

Every girl was OK with No Condom. Just don't cum inside me. Is the ask. LOL.

Every girl was doing it apparently for the first time / week / month. Sure, why not.

All in all, good experience. And a good 3 night adventure. I would definitely return.

Thanks to all the senior members of the forum for the helpful insights. After all the RTF I had done, it felt like I was well prepared.

[QUOTE=TravelFox;2959040]Worked Robinsons, Bocobo, Remedios, Mabini, Del Pilar etc.

Was quoted P1500 by and large and easily countered down to 1 k on most occasions. Some stood at 1. 2 and 1. 3. One stood at 1. 5 and I rejected her (she was fat anyway LOL). Couple of 6.5s and 7s.

You guys aren't sticking to your guns.

Whomever is paying these street girls P2.5k you should be drug out into the street and SHOT.

No stunners but wasn't looking for that. The Korean places were a bit desperate and there are WAY more K clubs than pre covid I noticed. They were all calling out to me which made me think there is a shortage of Koreans...



I also visited Pattaya, THEY were NOT budging. Soi 6 wanted THB 2.4k THB. ~$70 SOI SIX. Got a couple down to THB 2K including room. Pulled an African with the biggest titties and behind from Beach Road, from Nairobi Kenya. She was a lot of fun. 700THB, countered down. I called her over and I was like how much? She said 1.5THB I frowned. She asked how much could I pay? I quoted 700. She said ok. I am such a cheap charlie. She's doing TESOL in Bangkok and working the Beach at night. She's was kind of cute too. You will find her at the entrance of beach road right after all the motorbike parking right after walking street if you care for a buxom African.
GOOD LORD Pattaya has changed so much since my first foray in 2001. I gotta stay in shape to compete out there...[/QUOTE]Here is how I was getting 8's and up in AC (now that I don't live there, only visit is not possible anymore): I had few regulars 8,9,10's and 11's that I was paying 3-5 K for their exquisite service and appearance, outcall on demand. When I stopped calling them, I was getting called and texted, I told them that I enjoyed our time together, but I'm seeing someone right now, and I don't really need their services anymore, but if they are really in some sort of financial trouble, they can always have 1 k if they come visit me. Due to the financial planning geniuses that they are, it happened more times than you can imagine, sometimes they brought roommates with them, because they didn't had their share of the rent / power bill / etc also. There were times when I just gave them the money without service, because I was not avail, or times when I gave them little more (maybe they had a power bill that was 1327 P, etc), but in the long run if you build a base of girls that know that there is a guaranteed 1 k waiting for them anytime they need it, and they can roam thru your fridge, you can live only off that.

The Disaster.

Just got back home from 2 months of Middle East and Asia work trip and Sexpedition. It was a hectic remaining trip Philippines onward hence reports are delayed.

Day 11 - The walk of shame.

Lily the Bakla. Arrived Manila from Bangkok at late evening. While in Bangkok, pinged all my contacts but didn't get many responses and some weren't available for few days. Only Lily responded. I had met her on Pina Love few months ago and I totally forgot or slacked on following the rules of engagement. Bakla was all ready to come over and Telegram (Sofiafvck, phone last 4 digit 9798) was full of highly photoshopped pictures. Deal was finalized for 5 k for full night.

Mistakes that I never made before and never will. Didn't do a video call, Didn't meet at a public place and told her my apartment number, unbelievable! Not sure what I was thinking.

I asked her to wait for me at reception but got a text saying I'm here and on my way to your apartment, WTF! I got out and headed for elevator and saw Bakla accompanied by another Bakla (fugly, even street dog would avoid pissing on her). I immediately Who TF is your friend and let's head downstairs. Soon we reach lobby, Baklas friend flee the building and Lily started arguing to pay cancellation fee which is 5 k.

I gave her 1 k for taxi and told her to GTFO! Another mistake, shouldn't have paid. Bakla started demanding 5 k and started causing scenes at the reception. It's a residential apartment with lots of families sitting at lobby. I asked the receptionist and security to get her out but Bakla wouldn't leave. Security guard started paging head security for help who didn't arrive! It was a total Chaos and just like Instagram trends I was in middle of "All eyes on me". I was heading towards the elevator and Bakla started following me and security guard couldn't leave the door unattended. I just said myself fuck it and paid her remaining 4 K and with a blink of an eye, Bakla disappeared.

Got back to my apartment, opened my recently purchased Don Julio and took a biggest sip humanly possible to wash off the nightmare. Called my buddy who called his cousin in Philippines National Police Drug Enforcement Group and passed on all the details of Bakla. Now Bakla is in for a surprise and hopefully won't pull such stunt again or this is probably what Bakla does for living. As per him, there is a gang of Bakla who does this scam and occasionally robs people if they are allowed to enter with second Bakla. Lesson learned the hard way and won't make that mistake ever aging. Attaching Baklas pictures for others to be alert.

Day 12.

This is where I am truly thankful to Westcoast for his support and word of comfort and encouragement. Thanks buddy, Greatly appreciated. I had about 25 k PHP left and two full days to get through before leaving for KL.

My Batangas MILF was on period, so no go.

Pina girl 1 told me she is with someone else and won't be free for a week but her friend will msg me. By the time I heard from her friend, I was already packing my bags for KL.

Pins girl 2 is available to come next day from San Miguel Bulacan, not worth it as I won't even have a day with her.

Pina 3 - look and attitude wise, maybe 2nd best one after my OFW girl from previous week. Did a video call to found out she is 2 hrs away from Manila and can't get to BGC until tonight and she has office tomorrow.

I opened up my list of Nuru massage places that I had collected from FB group and last one wasn't too bad. Well, I was wrong.

Manila home and Hotel massage. Booked a girl name Rica. 1600 php for 2 hrs massage but not body to body. Girl arrived bit late due to traffic. Picture showed big boobs but in real photoshop didn't hold its glory, almost no boobs with bit of tummy. When asked about extra, she quoted 8 k! I countered with 3 k which was still more but she didn't lowered than 4 K. Not going to pay 4 K for 1 shot. I was already in for a disastrous 3 days, might as well make the worst out of it. She didn't even took her tops off saying that will cost me 3 k and it will be body to body massage with HJ. I was like screw you, I can do it myself. Paid up and she took off. I guess she is has to be happy with 400 php after paying the agency and plus transportation to and from QC.

Cavite Massage, Extra Service Massage, Bacor Las Pinas Massage, Secret Massage Home, Manila Hotel and Home Massage.

- All are run by same group or person as Telegram contact ID for all was Kathrine 2023. Same pricing structure and who ever answer will assure you saying " Don't worry sir, our girls are all sure takers" but won't discuss the price with you but insist on discussing with the customer! I guess game is to sell some sort of massage package and bonus if someone desperate enough to pay this girls 4 K - 8 k for a shot!

Euphoric Escape Nuru Spa. Bit upscale compared to previous ones. Similar types of answers when inquired but this one guaranteed Naked full body 2 hrs Nuru massage for 2.5 k plus 500 transportation. Booked Madison. Wasn't expecting same as picture and she lived up to the un-expectations. Smaller boobs than picture and photoshopped only matched 60%. Gave an okayish nuru massage. Didn't even inquire about extra and nearly at the end, she brought it up and quoted 12 k for 1 shot. I just burst out laughing. She wasn't expecting that so I enjoyed the moment of her awkwardness. Paid her and she left saying she only gets 600 php from it. I told her I will give her 3 k for a good fuck (my exact words) but she counter saying 6 k. I just opened the door and she walked out.

The Gentlemen Spa. Took a girl name Scarlet from them on previous week where girl were expecting 30 k php for 2 pop but a zero disappeared in middle of google translate and she was not happy with 3 k for 2 pop, LOL. This time booked a girl name Ace. 80% matches picture and has big boobs. Nice and polite girl for sure and good nuru massage skills. Did everything as per package which was 2 hrs naked body to body nuru massage for 2.5 k plus the transportation. She quoted 14 k for extra (at this point I'm not surprised), I was going to laugh at her face but didn't because she was nice and polite and she did give a good nuru massage. Her own words were, these are the discussed set rates for them and she can't get lower than 6 k. You already know my answer and I just gave her a bottle of water and opened the door. This concludes my Manila massage experience and heads up for the forum to what to expect.

Contacted Manila Courtesan for Pamela (boobsy), booked her for full night package 6 pm to 6 am for 10 k 4 shot arriving next day.

Day 13 - Last day in Paradise / Shit hole.

Woke up late with a hard on as all those massages but no release from yesterday and no action from day before but on a bright side, I have Pamela coming this evening. Had a plan to meet few friends before leaving Manila and never returning again. Went to SM Aura food court as their office was near that. Had a good lunch with them. One of my friend brought his pretty colleague. They already knew about my previous day experience and were trying to convince me to give PH another try and go to province and meet someone there. I saw the pretty girl turned red hearing all these conversations, LOL. My friend told his colleague to hangout with me but she has to go back to work and I had Pamela coming around 6 pm. So, too late for it. Finished our late lunch and did some last minute shopping and went back to Airbnb.

Manila Courtesan. I would say, they live up to their standards. Very much transparent and friendly and kept me informed about Pamelas arrival. Pamela arrived shortly after 6:15 pm due to traffic. Very sweet and polite and educated girls. Pursuing her university degree and this is how she pays for her tuition fees. Look wise 6 but her attitude makes it up. Won't bore you with details, did first covered shot shortly after she freshened up. Order some grab food and Smirnoff ice type drink. Watched movies for a bit. Did second shot at around 11 pm then went to sleep. Woke up around 4 am and did 3rd shot. Didn't feel like going for 4th nor I had the time as she was leaving at 6 am. I will definitely meet her again if I ever return to Philippines and that's a big IF.

Got ready, went to airport, exchanged all the remaining Php to USD, went to Puff Lounge and sat there smoking for an hour until I bored my flight to KL.

This was my third visit to Philippines and 3rd time wasn't the charm for me for sure. If I sum it up.

1. First trip, I had my spinner and other girls from Cupid one of them stole money from me but besides that wasn't extremely bad and that's why I went second time last year.

2. Second time, I went to province, had 4 different girls including my spinner which was okay but then 1 of them was a dead fish and another one was a drama queen. Decided to give 3rd time the charm try.

3rd time the Disastrous Charm.

1. My OFW girl couldn't stay longer than 2 days.

2. My spinners cousin showed up from province with period.

3. My spinner couldn't come because husband was back in town from ship and also, she didn't have any other girls left for me to try.

4. My army wife was pregnant with 2nd child.

5. My buddy got me in touch with a girl from Baguio who was quoting me 30 k for day and half then brought down to 20 k but she would bring her friend so it would've been 40 k for 2 for 2 days, LAMO.

6. My batangas MILF was on period.

7. My Iligan MILF had found a 53 yr old divorced man from California with a cylinder, so less investment of time for her and once she gets US citizenship, either she can divorce him or wait until he gets to 6 feet under then find a young fuck boy. Also, she was meeting him in Cebu at the same time when I was there.

8. I had tried Makati red light district on my first and second visit and definitely not my scene. Don't like fuglies.

9. Got scammed by Bakla and yes it's entirely my fault as I didn't do the leg work and took precautions.

10. Lastly by the time I heard back from other Pina Love girls, I was already leaving. So not much luck there.

11. Didn't have much luck from Tinder and Bumble either. Lots a Bakla.

Thanks for reading my long post. I hope Philippines works out for you all much better than me and you get to enjoy your time here. Girls are unpredictable in general but Pinas holds the highest rank in that and iadded bonus if you had a disastrous luck like me.

Almost forgot to mention, best money changer I found for BGC / Makati area was Sheeha Money Changer in BGC. You can type "Chimac burgos circle bgc" on grab app and it's right next to it. Saw many blues lined up there changing their currency. I think they have a branch in Pasig / Passy as well.

Have fun and Happy Safe Mongering brothers.

P.S. Pictures of Bakla, not a girl!

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2959275]Here is how I was getting 8's and up in AC (now that I don't live there, only visit is not possible anymore): I had few regulars 8,9,10's and 11's that I was paying 3-5 K for their exquisite service and appearance, outcall on demand. When I stopped calling them, I was getting called and texted, I told them that I enjoyed our time together, but I'm seeing someone right now, and I don't really need their services anymore, but if they are really in some sort of financial trouble, they can always have 1 k if they come visit me. Due to the financial planning geniuses that they are, it happened more times than you can imagine, sometimes they brought roommates with them, because they didn't had their share of the rent / power bill / etc also. There were times when I just gave them the money without service, because I was not avail, or times when I gave them little more (maybe they had a power bill that was 1327 P, etc), but in the long run if you build a base of girls that know that there is a guaranteed 1 k waiting for them anytime they need it, and they can roam thru your fridge, you can live only off that.[/QUOTE]I always felt if you live in a place like Patts or Angeles you can really build a team. I like this and will try it out if I ever get to live in either spot. Thailand is a bit harder but doable. Angeles is very doable.

Thank you for your contribution.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2959115]Easy enough to do, like buying slighlty spoiled fruit (bar bananas) in a market. Some of the all in package prices folk here quote astound me. No way would I pay more than 1. 5 k long time and then only grudgingly. You are not even getting a good Jolibee for your money. As for SA and up market (ha ha) bars, forget about it. You have flown to a 3rd world shtt hole so play 3rd world prices or get baby oil and tissue paper.[/QUOTE]You know what? Let folks pay what they want. I was able to get the prices where I wanted so who cares what anyone does. I think I could have even got the KTV girls down to some reasonable prices if I stayed long enough. They put the hotties outside though and the fuglies are in on the couch LOL

[QUOTE=FunRun;2959208]Been wanting to visit Phil. From a long time, finally found some time in October. Spent 3 nights in Manila. Makati area. (Spent 10 days in BKK and PTY afterwards).

Travel:

US to MNL via TPE. EVA Air. Great connections and flights were on time. Went with Premium Economy and felt that it was an upgrade worth the extra money. Food options could've been better.

Currency Exchange:

Exchanged USD at one of those money exchange places in the airport. Forgot the exact name, TDO?? Their location was towards the corner, past the sim card people. Better rates compared to others.

SIM:

Bought a prepaid SIM. Easy activation using my unlocked phone.

Taxi:

Booked a Grab to my hotel. Very easy to use. And affordable.

Hotel:

City Garden Grand Makati. Booked through Agoda. Around $75 per night for a Deluxe King room.

Many people recommend this hotel and I could see why. Excellent location, guest friendly, and clean rooms.

I was pleasantly surprised to learn they do money exchange at the hotel reception. Used it one late night when there were no other options around. Not the best rate but works in an emergency situation.

I did spot some working girls at the rooftop bar in the late evening hours. Didn't engage with them.

Action:

Day 1 - Arrival day, walked around the Makati Burgos area around 11 pm. Most night clubs were closed (it being a Tuesday) - landed at a rooftop bar. Spotted a couple good looking semi-pros who were giving me the looks, started chatting them up and a couple of hours later, they were both in my room. Had a good threesome with both and they were happy to take 3 k each. One wanted to stayover but I kicked them out when I was sleepy.

Day 2 - Messaged a few girls on PL and found one decent option for day time action. The girl came over and she was a bit thicker and shorter than I expected. Good GFE experience in bed. 3 hours 3 K damage, with my special requests included. It's a bit of time taking activity on PL, so I felt its a better option for longer term stays. It was still worth the $20 bucks, IMO.

Late Evening. Took a grab to LA Cafe. Good place to visit at least once. Spent a couple of hours.

Night time, another PL girl that I had lined up while sitting at LA Cafe, came over. She was hotter in person, to my surprise. Asked for 4 K for LT which I happily paid after the 3 shots I could manage. She left after having breakfast with me in the morning.

Day 3 - Daytime, explored the Ayala mall. Couldn't find any FLs (as I had read) but its probably my timing being incorrect.

Night time, went to a few Gogos on Burgos. Lips was the best, IMO. Don't waste your time downstairs. Just go upstairs straight and there were at least 30 girls. Lot of good looking ones. I asked the two hottest looking girls to come over. After a LD, one tells me she is tired and doesn't want to be barfined. The other wants 7 K (instead of the regular 5 K rate). I told them no thanks.

Asked another friendly looking one to come over. She was happy that I picked her. Readily agreed to be barfined after 1 LD and off we went. She was not the hottest one but definitely made me happy with her bedroom skills. 3900 Barfine + 5 K for the girl + 500 Tip.

Every girl was OK with No Condom. Just don't cum inside me. Is the ask. LOL.

Every girl was doing it apparently for the first time / week / month. Sure, why not.

All in all, good experience. And a good 3 night adventure. I would definitely return.

Thanks to all the senior members of the forum for the helpful insights. After all the RTF I had done, it felt like I was well prepared.[/QUOTE]Excellent FR, thank you.

I'm hoping to be in Manila in January. May I ask, were the girls generally ok with DFK? I appreciate that you may not be into that yourself so may not have asked.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2959336]Excellent FR, thank you.

I'm hoping to be in Manila in January. May I ask, were the girls generally ok with DFK? I appreciate that you may not be into that yourself so may not have asked.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm very much into DFK, almost a must for me. Generally speaking the girls are all ok with it. In my experience, girls with braces typically have bad breath. Not just in PH but generally speaking. I always make it a point to have a few extra toothbrushes and mouthwash handy for the girls, in case I don't like their natural taste. Bit of a turn off otherwise for me. LOL.

Good luck with your trip.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2959292]The Disaster.

Just got back home from 2 months of Middle East and Asia work trip and Sexpedition. It was a hectic remaining trip Philippines onward hence reports are delayed.

Day 11 - The walk of shame.

Lily the Bakla. Arrived Manila from Bangkok at late evening. .......................

...............Have fun and Happy Safe Mongering brothers.

P.S. Pictures of Bakla, not a girl![/QUOTE]Man! That sounds like a total disaster, I never even heard of such huge prices in the PH. I'm not an expert in the Manila scene, been there only few times out of necessity, after I saw some movie like fucked up dangerous shit happening in broad daylight, but it looks like you could have had the best time of your life for that kind money, only 2 hours away in AC.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2959292]The Disaster.

Day 11 - The walk of shame.
Deal was finalized for 5 k for full night.

P.S. Pictures of Bakla, not a girl![/QUOTE]You gave a bloke you did not know access to your building and your room number. He brought another bloke with him. You escaped a bullet as they were definitely going to rob you at the very least. NEVER do amything remotely like thatagain.

True, I thought about going to La Union where I would've access to college girls but then 6/7 hrs bus ride one way out of 2 days didn't seemed worth it that time. I've been to AC on my very first visit. Friend of mine is a Teacher at the University there. Walking Street isn't really my scene though. I prefer non-pro, worst case semi pro.

I tend to stay far away from crazy shit and sketchy areas but then look how I managed to invite trouble to my door step.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2959348]Man! That sounds like a total disaster, I never even heard of such huge prices in the PH. I'm not an expert in the Manila scene, been there only few times out of necessity, after I saw some movie like fucked up dangerous shit happening in broad daylight, but it looks like you could have had the best time of your life for that kind money, only 2 hours away in AC.[/QUOTE]

Tell me about it! Never done such stupid shit and never will. I still don't know what was I thinking. Must be them non-stop Tiger Beers I had on my flight to Manila from Bangkok, LMAO.

Should've showed some interest to that middle aged flight attendant who was extra nice to me and were throwing herself all over me with all those friendly nonsense talk. Would've yield better outcome compared to the Bakla.

I guess it was in a way of resetting my conscious.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2959355]You gave a bloke you did not know access to your building and your room number. He brought another bloke with him. You escaped a bullet as they were definitely going to rob you at the very least. NEVER do amything remotely like thatagain.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zippos;2959292]The Disaster.

Just got back home from 2 months of Middle East and Asia work trip and Sexpedition. It was a hectic remaining trip Philippines onward hence reports are delayed.

Day 11 - The walk of shame.

Lily the Bakla. Arrived Manila from Bangkok at late evening. While in Bangkok, pinged all my contacts but didn't get many responses and some weren't available for few days. Only Lily responded. I had met her on Pina Love few months ago and I totally forgot or slacked on following the rules of engagement. Bakla was all ready to come over and Telegram (Sofiafvck, phone last 4 digit 9798) was full of highly photoshopped pictures. Deal was finalized for 5 k for full night.

Mistakes that I never made before and never will. Didn't do a video call, Didn't meet at a public place and told her my apartment number, unbelievable! Not sure what I was thinking.

I asked her to wait for me at reception but got a text saying I'm here and on my way to your apartment, WTF! I got out and headed for elevator and saw Bakla accompanied by another Bakla (fugly, even street dog would avoid pissing on her). I immediately Who TF is your friend and let's head downstairs. Soon we reach lobby, Baklas friend flee the building and Lily started arguing to pay cancellation fee which is 5 k.

I gave her 1 k for taxi and told her to GTFO! Another mistake, shouldn't have paid. Bakla started demanding 5 k and started causing scenes at the reception. It's a residential apartment with lots of families sitting at lobby. I asked the receptionist and security to get her out but Bakla wouldn't leave. Security guard started paging head security for help who didn't arrive! It was a total Chaos and just like Instagram trends I was in middle of "All eyes on me". I was heading towards the elevator and Bakla started following me and security guard couldn't leave the door unattended. I just said myself fuck it and paid her remaining 4 K and with a blink of an eye, Bakla disappeared.

Got back to my apartment, opened my recently purchased Don Julio and took a biggest sip humanly possible to wash off the nightmare. Called my buddy who called his cousin in Philippines National Police Drug Enforcement Group and passed on all the details of Bakla. Now Bakla is in for a surprise and hopefully won't pull such stunt again or this is probably what Bakla does for living. As per him, there is a gang of Bakla who does this scam and occasionally robs people if they are allowed to enter with second Bakla. Lesson learned the hard way and won't make that mistake ever aging. Attaching Baklas pictures for others to be alert.

Day 12.

This is where I am truly thankful to Westcoast for his support and word of comfort and encouragement. Thanks buddy, Greatly appreciated. I had about 25 k PHP left and two full days to get through before leaving for KL.

My Batangas MILF was on period, so no go.

Pina girl 1 told me she is with someone else and won't be free for a week but her friend will msg me. By the time I heard from her friend, I was already packing my bags for KL.

Pins girl 2 is available to come next day from San Miguel Bulacan, not worth it as I won't even have a day with her.

Pina 3 - look and attitude wise, maybe 2nd best one after my OFW girl from previous week. Did a video call to found out she is 2 hrs away from Manila and can't get to BGC until tonight and she has office tomorrow.

I opened up my list of Nuru massage places that I had collected from FB group and last one wasn't too bad. Well, I was wrong.

Manila home and Hotel massage. Booked a girl name Rica. 1600 php for 2 hrs massage but not body to body. Girl arrived bit late due to traffic. Picture showed big boobs but in real photoshop didn't hold its glory, almost no boobs with bit of tummy. When asked about extra, she quoted 8 k! I countered with 3 k which was still more but she didn't lowered than 4 K. Not going to pay 4 K for 1 shot. I was already in for a disastrous 3 days, might as well make the worst out of it. She didn't even took her tops off saying that will cost me 3 k and it will be body to body massage with HJ. I was like screw you, I can do it myself. Paid up and she took off. I guess she is has to be happy with 400 php after paying the agency and plus transportation to and from QC.

Cavite Massage, Extra Service Massage, Bacor Las Pinas Massage, Secret Massage Home, Manila Hotel and Home Massage.

- All are run by same group or person as Telegram contact ID for all was Kathrine 2023. Same pricing structure and who ever answer will assure you saying " Don't worry sir, our girls are all sure takers" but won't discuss the price with you but insist on discussing with the customer! I guess game is to sell some sort of massage package and bonus if someone desperate enough to pay this girls 4 K - 8 k for a shot!

Euphoric Escape Nuru Spa. Bit upscale compared to previous ones. Similar types of answers when inquired but this one guaranteed Naked full body 2 hrs Nuru massage for 2.5 k plus 500 transportation. Booked Madison. Wasn't expecting same as picture and she lived up to the un-expectations. Smaller boobs than picture and photoshopped only matched 60%. Gave an okayish nuru massage. Didn't even inquire about extra and nearly at the end, she brought it up and quoted 12 k for 1 shot. I just burst out laughing. She wasn't expecting that so I enjoyed the moment of her awkwardness. Paid her and she left saying she only gets 600 php from it. I told her I will give her 3 k for a good fuck (my exact words) but she counter saying 6 k. I just opened the door and she walked out.

The Gentlemen Spa. Took a girl name Scarlet from them on previous week where girl were expecting 30 k php for 2 pop but a zero disappeared in middle of google translate and she was not happy with 3 k for 2 pop, LOL. This time booked a girl name Ace. 80% matches picture and has big boobs. Nice and polite girl for sure and good nuru massage skills. Did everything as per package which was 2 hrs naked body to body nuru massage for 2.5 k plus the transportation. She quoted 14 k for extra (at this point I'm not surprised), I was going to laugh at her face but didn't because she was nice and polite and she did give a good nuru massage. Her own words were, these are the discussed set rates for them and she can't get lower than 6 k. You already know my answer and I just gave her a bottle of water and opened the door. This concludes my Manila massage experience and heads up for the forum to what to expect.

Contacted Manila Courtesan for Pamela (boobsy), booked her for full night package 6 pm to 6 am for 10 k 4 shot arriving next day.

Day 13 - Last day in Paradise / Shit hole.

Woke up late with a hard on as all those massages but no release from yesterday and no action from day before but on a bright side, I have Pamela coming this evening. Had a plan to meet few friends before leaving Manila and never returning again. Went to SM Aura food court as their office was near that. Had a good lunch with them. One of my friend brought his pretty colleague. They already knew about my previous day experience and were trying to convince me to give PH another try and go to province and meet someone there. I saw the pretty girl turned red hearing all these conversations, LOL. My friend told his colleague to hangout with me but she has to go back to work and I had Pamela coming around 6 pm. So, too late for it. Finished our late lunch and did some last minute shopping and went back to Airbnb.

Manila Courtesan. I would say, they live up to their standards. Very much transparent and friendly and kept me informed about Pamelas arrival. Pamela arrived shortly after 6:15 pm due to traffic. Very sweet and polite and educated girls. Pursuing her university degree and this is how she pays for her tuition fees. Look wise 6 but her attitude makes it up. Won't bore you with details, did first covered shot shortly after she freshened up. Order some grab food and Smirnoff ice type drink. Watched movies for a bit. Did second shot at around 11 pm then went to sleep. Woke up around 4 am and did 3rd shot. Didn't feel like going for 4th nor I had the time as she was leaving at 6 am. I will definitely meet her again if I ever return to Philippines and that's a big IF.

Got ready, went to airport, exchanged all the remaining Php to USD, went to Puff Lounge and sat there smoking for an hour until I bored my flight to KL.

This was my third visit to Philippines and 3rd time wasn't the charm for me for sure. If I sum it up.

1. First trip, I had my spinner and other girls from Cupid one of them stole money from me but besides that wasn't extremely bad and that's why I went second time last year.

2. Second time, I went to province, had 4 different girls including my spinner which was okay but then 1 of them was a dead fish and another one was a drama queen. Decided to give 3rd time the charm try.

3rd time the Disastrous Charm.

1. My OFW girl couldn't stay longer than 2 days.

2. My spinners cousin showed up from province with period.

3. My spinner couldn't come because husband was back in town from ship and also, she didn't have any other girls left for me to try.

4. My army wife was pregnant with 2nd child.

5. My buddy got me in touch with a girl from Baguio who was quoting me 30 k for day and half then brought down to 20 k but she would bring her friend so it would've been 40 k for 2 for 2 days, LAMO.

6. My batangas MILF was on period.

7. My Iligan MILF had found a 53 yr old divorced man from California with a cylinder, so less investment of time for her and once she gets US citizenship, either she can divorce him or wait until he gets to 6 feet under then find a young fuck boy. Also, she was meeting him in Cebu at the same time when I was there.

8. I had tried Makati red light district on my first and second visit and definitely not my scene. Don't like fuglies.

9. Got scammed by Bakla and yes it's entirely my fault as I didn't do the leg work and took precautions.

10. Lastly by the time I heard back from other Pina Love girls, I was already leaving. So not much luck there.

11. Didn't have much luck from Tinder and Bumble either. Lots a Bakla.

Thanks for reading my long post. I hope Philippines works out for you all much better than me and you get to enjoy your time here. Girls are unpredictable in general but Pinas holds the highest rank in that and iadded bonus if you had a disastrous luck like me.

Almost forgot to mention, best money changer I found for BGC / Makati area was Sheeha Money Changer in BGC. You can type "Chimac burgos circle bgc" on grab app and it's right next to it. Saw many blues lined up there changing their currency. I think they have a branch in Pasig / Passy as well.

Have fun and Happy Safe Mongering brothers.

P.S. Pictures of Bakla, not a girl![/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing that with us, we can all learn.

May I ask, given your experience, if you were in Manila again would you just use Manila Courtesan?

The only thing I would add is that whenever I see an image like your first picture I take it as a red flag. I know all girls will use filters / photoshop but that first image doesn't even look like a human being, it looks like a cartoon.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2959370]True, I thought about going to La Union where I would've access to college girls but then 6/7 hrs bus ride one way out of 2 days didn't seemed worth it that time. I've been to AC on my very first visit. Friend of mine is a Teacher at the University there. Walking Street isn't really my scene though. I prefer non-pro, worst case semi pro.

I tend to stay far away from crazy shit and sketchy areas but then look how I managed to invite trouble to my door step.[/QUOTE]Well, we all prefer the non pros, but on such a short stay like yours, you'll have to be extremely lucky to find one. I had non pros like that on short notice, but was just the luck of the moment, and never ever happened on the many occasions when I was looking for it, it doesn't matter how hard I tried, or how well I planned everything. Otherwise all the non pros that I had required a lot of hard work, lot of time, and maybe more money indirectly spent than lots of BFs combined, all with no guarantee that something may come out of it.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2959843]I had non pros like that on short notice, but was just the luck of the moment, and never ever happened on the many occasions when I was looking for it, it doesn't matter how hard I tried, or how well I planned everything. [/QUOTE]I totally concur. All of my best nights and girls have been by accident.

ID actually go further and say that heading out with a master pan and a thirsty look is the best way to come home alone.

Just go with the flow, see what happens and you can be very pleasantly surprised by what happens.

G.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2959370]True, I thought about going to La Union where I would've access to college girls but then 6/7 hrs bus ride one way out of 2 days didn't seemed worth it that time.[/QUOTE]La Union exactly my thoughts. Love that place, but the transport there and back is daunting.

Been trying to convince myself to make it a stop, butfinding it very hard. So far this is my best argument; use to love to go to subic / olongapo but it use to take 8 hours from Manila, so 4 hours transport to AC spend a few days there then 4 hours to the barrio, and same on the way back. I was younger back then, and way more active, so easily done. Now it would be 1. 25 hours from Manila to AC for a few days, then only 2 more hours to LaUnion.

I've gone back dozens of pages here and there's been nothing on [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/[/URL].

I get that the Philippines it's Angeles City, Subic Bay, etc. But looking at what's on offer, and the incredibly low price, there's got to be something to these escorts. Some of them look pretty good too. This is the one thing that's making me think Manila could be a nice switch from Bangkok.

Reading reviews from other forums, it does seem to be hit or miss, but so is a lot of what's on offer in Bangkok, but these prices on Manila Courtesans sounds like a real steal to me.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2959929]I've gone back dozens of pages here and there's been nothing on [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/[/URL].

I get that the Philippines it's Angeles City, Subic Bay, etc. But looking at what's on offer, and the incredibly low price, there's got to be something to these escorts. Some of them look pretty good too. This is the one thing that's making me think Manila could be a nice switch from Bangkok.

Reading reviews from other forums, it does seem to be hit or miss, but so is a lot of what's on offer in Bangkok, but these prices on Manila Courtesans sounds like a real steal to me.[/QUOTE]They are convenient, for sure. I used them a couple of times. One thing I have noticed is it does no good to make a reservation in advance. Just call the day you want to see them. My first time was a miss. Young, nervous provider who was not prepared and noticeably uncomfortable. The second time was a resounding hit.

Prices are not bad for ST. Usually between 4. 5-7 k. LT is double that price, which isn't the best deal.

As a side note, Manila Courtesans' providers are instructed not to provide BBFS. Manila Asian Escorts (I have researched but have not used) has providers that will do that.

If my luck turn up the same way as last time, you bet! 100% Manila Courtesan. I did manage to find another Chinese run escort agency on telegram but prices are steep!

Exactly, definitely a red flag and for some reason it didn't register in my brain. Oh well, we can always learn from our mistakes.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2959832]Thanks for sharing that with us, we can all learn.

May I ask, given your experience, if you were in Manila again would you just use Manila Courtesan?

The only thing I would add is that whenever I see an image like your first picture I take it as a red flag. I know all girls will use filters / photoshop but that first image doesn't even look like a human being, it looks like a cartoon.[/QUOTE]

In that case I was extremely lucky on my previous 2 visits where I had help from my spinner plus timing was right and first part of this visit until I had to go to Bangkok. Second part or second week is the one where shit went sideways royally.

If there is a next time, I will make sure to have a backup of a backup of a backup without disclosing my address to avoid 3 girls turning up at same location.

Also, I will most probably head down to province where I will have local connections from friends without booking Airbnb in Manila for the entire trip.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2959843]Well, we all prefer the non pros, but on such a short stay like yours, you'll have to be extremely lucky to find one. I had non pros like that on short notice, but was just the luck of the moment, and never ever happened on the many occasions when I was looking for it, it doesn't matter how hard I tried, or how well I planned everything. Otherwise all the non pros that I had required a lot of hard work, lot of time, and maybe more money indirectly spent than lots of BFs combined, all with no guarantee that something may come out of it.[/QUOTE]

If you are looking for my review, here it is. I would recommend 100% without any hesitation. You can chat with the receptionist from their site and she will recommend based on your requirements.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2959292]
Manila Courtesan. I would say, they live up to their standards. Very much transparent and friendly and kept me informed about Pamelas arrival. Pamela arrived shortly after 6:15 pm due to traffic. Very sweet and polite and educated girls. Pursuing her university degree and this is how she pays for her tuition fees. Look wise 6 but her attitude makes it up. Won't bore you with details, did first covered shot shortly after she freshened up. Order some grab food and Smirnoff ice type drink. Watched movies for a bit. Did second shot at around 11 pm then went to sleep. Woke up around 4 am and did 3rd shot. Didn't feel like going for 4th nor I had the time as she was leaving at 6 am. I will definitely meet her again if I ever return to Philippines and that's a big IF.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2959929]I've gone back dozens of pages here and there's been nothing on [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/[/URL].

I get that the Philippines it's Angeles City, Subic Bay, etc. But looking at what's on offer, and the incredibly low price, there's got to be something to these escorts. Some of them look pretty good too. This is the one thing that's making me think Manila could be a nice switch from Bangkok.

Reading reviews from other forums, it does seem to be hit or miss, but so is a lot of what's on offer in Bangkok, but these prices on Manila Courtesans sounds like a real steal to me.[/QUOTE]

If I don't get down to Davao and if I decide to come back to Philippines, I will for sure head that way. Arrive at late night and take the bus while roads are sorta traffic free. Friend of mine owns a house not too far from Poro point (hopefully not saying it wrong) with a made and caretaker to look after. I got other friends there too whose cousin works at hospital. Might get lucky with a Nurse or Doctor as long as I don't wake up with one kidney or Eye missing, LMAO.

Nonetheless, will definitely have more organized plan and arrangements.

[QUOTE=Transporter;2959927]La Union exactly my thoughts. Love that place, but the transport there and back is daunting.

Been trying to convince myself to make it a stop, butfinding it very hard. So far this is my best argument; use to love to go to subic / olongapo but it use to take 8 hours from Manila, so 4 hours transport to AC spend a few days there then 4 hours to the barrio, and same on the way back. I was younger back then, and way more active, so easily done. Now it would be 1. 25 hours from Manila to AC for a few days, then only 2 more hours to LaUnion.[/QUOTE]

Will take a mental note of that G, LOL. Have few more questions about Davao. Will ask in Other areas quoting your last reply.

Another General question, how do you meet multiple non-pro who thinks they are in love with you or expecting serious relationship? I know you already said, you make it clear to them that you are not looking for LTR or marriage but sometimes not much choice if I want to score that particular one. I used to switch hotels after each girls in Jakarta. I won't if I should follow same strategy for Manila for this particular type.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2959879]

Just go with the flow, see what happens and you can be very pleasantly surprised by what happens.

G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2959929]I've gone back dozens of pages here and there's been nothing on [URL]https://manilacourtesans.com/[/URL].

....but these prices on Manila Courtesans sounds like a real steal to me.[/QUOTE]There are several reasons that outcall escort hotlines aren't popular in Manila / The Philippines: they are about double the price of even high end bars; the girls are basically the same bargirls / freelancers that you can find elsewhere and; there are numerous establishments set up expressly for guys with more money than time on Burgos etc. On Burgos, not only can you see what you are buying, you will likely get a face full of tits or even a BJ for the price of a couple of get to know you drinks. Hell, some even have back rooms where even more is available. A lot more.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2959979]

Another General question, how do you meet multiple non-pro who thinks they are in love with you or expecting serious relationship? I know you already said, you make it clear to them that you are not looking for LTR or marriage but sometimes not much choice if I want to score that particular one. I used to switch hotels after each girls in Jakarta. I won't if I should follow same strategy for Manila for this particular type.[/QUOTE]It would be extremely rare for a good girl to be throwing herself at you and actively chasing you. They are typically painfully shy and require a lot of ground work. Many girls play the good girl game and "accidentally" find themselves alone in your room at 3 am but that's just a game. Play along and pretend but getting them to do the deed is hardly a challenge.

I would never recommend lying to girls just to bed them. Morals aside, it's simply not required nor worth it. Girls have heard all the BS stories before '000's of times and know when a guy is spinning a story. They may play along if it benefits them but they know. I have had many girls compliment me as "honest" or "nice" for telling the whole unedited truth including what many would think would stop us hooking up. "But we can still be friends" is a common reply. Also remember that if you are hiding things, then this gives the message that you are easy to scam or blackmail.

There was a huge debate on the board a while ago about the level of secrecy and security required when meeting girls. Several guys promoted fake names, hiding nationality, and hotel details etc. Personally I don't bother with any of it. I don't exactly hand out my wife's email address but I know that if a girl wants to find my details, then it's extremely easy to do so. This is another reason not to lie to girls: if I haven't done anything wrong then there is no need to hide anything. It's really difficult to overstate how connected the girls are in Asia. If they want your details they will know someone at your hotel etc who can find out. It's foolish to pretend that you are hiding anything.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2960000]There are several reasons that outcall escort hotlines aren't popular in Manila / The Philippines: they are about double the price of even high end bars; the girls are basically the same bargirls / freelancers that you can find elsewhere and; there are numerous establishments set up expressly for guys with more money than time on Burgos etc. On Burgos, not only can you see what you are buying, you will likely get a face full of tits or even a BJ for the price of a couple of get to know you drinks. Hell, some even have back rooms where even more is available. A lot more.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Very helpful, thank you.

I'm hoping to be in Manila in January. It would be my first time and I'll only be there a few days so Burgos makes sense for someone like me.

I've looked at the Manila Courtesan website and they are generally asking 12 to 14 k for LT of 12 hours. Are you saying that you can get a top level bar girl for half that? (Inclusive of BF etc).

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Alexandra2525;2960042]Very helpful, thank you.

I'm hoping to be in Manila in January. It would be my first time and I'll only be there a few days so Burgos makes sense for someone like me.

I've looked at the Manila Courtesan website and they are generally asking 12 to 14 k for LT of 12 hours. [b]Are you saying that you can get a top level bar girl for half that? (Inclusive of BF etc).[/b] [/QUOTE]I don't think he said that. Bar girl prices on Burgos are set fairly in stone, and readily available / searchable on the board. Please RTTF (Makati) or use the search function for barfine prices. The advantage of the gogo girl is that you can waltz in, look them over, and pick one that you find attractive. Escort girls have pics (never know how old the pics are) and an agency between you and the girl. In a gogo bar, you can ask the girl in your lap every wild detail you might want to ask. Plus, minus.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2959979]Will take a mental note of that G, LOL. Have few more questions about Davao. Will ask in Other areas quoting your last reply.

Another General question, how do you meet multiple non-pro who thinks they are in love with you or expecting serious relationship? I know you already said, you make it clear to them that you are not looking for LTR or marriage but sometimes not much choice if I want to score that particular one. I used to switch hotels after each girls in Jakarta. I won't if I should follow same strategy for Manila for this particular type.[/QUOTE]Be careful about who you're lying too, and about what, you may end up beaten, stabbed, dead, or worse, like in a prison where you wish you were dead. I'm not exaggerating. They are all related, know each other, have law enforcement relatives, and also don't think too much about the consequences of their actions, just like you do.

Thanks G and Old and Ugly for taking your time responding. You are both right about girls own network and connections and their skills on being on cellphone helps with deep searches.

It was more of a question based on what I see on Pina Love and one particular girl that I had met on my first trip.

As for Pina love, my profile clearly says "looking for a companion to spend good times when I'm in Philippines and I will compensate you for your time". I don't know what else I could write there to make it more transparent for them. I don't swipe write to any profile where it says looking for serious relationship or date to Mary. For me no point of making a bitter memory for anyone. It's does get tempting sometimes looking at a drop dead gorgeous but like I said, no point. Also, despite my clear intentions, I would get messages from ladies who are interested and their profile would say looking for marriage. I anlwa ask them if they had read my profile to set the expectations!

As for chasing me, only happened once from my very first trip to Philippines. Met her on Cupid. Pure shrimp. Amazing body with a not so pretty face. Stayed with me for 3 days. Sex was good but restriction of using protection and no BJ. She knew my full name, DOB, Nationality. Didn't cost me anything besides a round trip taxi ride for her. She didn't ask me for anything either despite my offer to give her some money to take her family to a restaurant. Was up for anything before coming but once arrived, wouldn't even do CBJ but would love for me to get down to her! I kicked her out after 3 days as she was getting from annoying to intolerable stage. 4th day she showed up back to my apartment hoping to make it up for it but I was already leaving for airport. This is why I have started switching accommodation between non P4 P girls to avoid awkward moments. I even had non-pro paid girls asking me if I was going to meet other girls and after saying yes, they would just stop talking. I simply don't get it! As if it's okay for them to hop on to different guys but not ok if I stick into a different turkey, why?

As far as honesty goes, don't have a wife to hide, don't have kids to hide, I don't give out my full name anymore nor my full DOB just to protect my identity. I do tell them my nationality. I think this much info should be enough.

Honestly I prefer P4 P over meeting any who wants to give it a try for the hope of getting hitched and GTFO from Paradise. I guess they are waiting for a miracle to happen and desperately chasing that.

I do wonder though, if these girls have such connections, how are their Philipino BF / husband getting away with cheating and abandoning their kids and not paying any child support? I came across many MILF who would simply say, guy left her with 1-2-3-4 kids and she is stuck taking care of them.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2960008]It would be extremely rare for a good girl to be throwing herself at you and actively chasing you. They are typically painfully shy and require a lot of ground work. Many girls play the good girl game and "accidentally" find themselves alone in your room at 3 am but that's just a game. Play along and pretend but getting them to do the deed is hardly a challenge.

I would never recommend lying to girls just to bed them. Morals aside, it's simply not required nor worth it. Girls have heard all the BS stories before '000's of times and know when a guy is spinning a story. They may play along if it benefits them but they know. I have had many girls compliment me as "honest" or "nice" for telling the whole unedited truth including what many would think would stop us hooking up. "But we can still be friends" is a common reply. Also remember that if you are hiding things, then this gives the message that you are easy to scam or blackmail..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2960056]Be careful about who you're lying too, and about what, you may end up beaten, stabbed, dead, or worse, like in a prison where you wish you were dead. I'm not exaggerating. They are all related, know each other, have law enforcement relatives, and also don't think too much about the consequences of their actions, just like you do.[/QUOTE]

Hello Everyone,

New joiner to the ISG after stumbling upon one of the posts on another local forums.

I am new to the forum but not to punting and am exploring options for my first solo pleasure trip overseas for about 1-2 weeks early next year.

Debating between Philippines or Thailand as both seems to offer a great options to play around.

For those who are more experienced and have explored both the shores, what are your thoughts and recommendations?

What sort of budget one should allocate to have a good time.

How's the overall scene and things work in Philippines? Are escort agencies reliable? I am more of a outcall guy as I prefer to take things with my own comfort rather than in calls.

How much is general cost for couple of hours sessions to say overnighter?

TiA.

Obviously, I will read through the forum posts. Would appreciate help here as well.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2960056]Be careful about who you're lying too, and about what, you may end up beaten, stabbed, dead, or worse, like in a prison where you wish you were dead. I'm not exaggerating. They are all related, know each other, have law enforcement relatives, and also don't think too much about the consequences of their actions, just like you do.[/QUOTE]Have to agree Old and Ugly, they all know each other and gossip is huge in The Phils.

My regular Sabang girl told me early on that "there are many eyes on you when you're with me".

Ie: The jealous ex husband, teenage son, etc etc.

I've found if you just behave yourself, don't get too wasted / loaded and look after your girl (pesos included) everything will be fine.

Basically, if you fuck with someone in The Phils, you're not looking for trouble, but it will find you.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2960047]I don't think he said that. Bar girl prices on Burgos are set fairly in stone, and readily available / searchable on the board. Please RTTF (Makati) or use the search function for barfine prices. The advantage of the gogo girl is that you can waltz in, look them over, and pick one that you find attractive. Escort girls have pics (never know how old the pics are) and an agency between you and the girl. In a gogo bar, you can ask the girl in your lap every wild detail you might want to ask. Plus, minus.[/QUOTE]Thank you, all noted and advice taken!

I'm just throwing my support behind what Phil and Ugly have said. Do not fuck with the girls. They may be illiterate farmers daughters but it's amazing the support they can rally if they are slighted. Repercussions can be very serious indeed.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2960056]Be careful about who you're lying too, and about what, you may end up beaten, stabbed, dead, or worse, like in a prison where you wish you were dead. I'm not exaggerating. They are all related, know each other, have law enforcement relatives, and also don't think too much about the consequences of their actions, just like you do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2960131]Have to agree Old and Ugly, they all know each other and gossip is huge in The Phils.


Basically, if you fuck with someone in The Phils, you're not looking for trouble, but it will find you...

Just my experience _ Phil.[/QUOTE]You mean like this:

[QUOTE=Goferring;2520977]A buddy walks into a bar for the first time. About 3 islands and 500 miles from home. He's never been there before. Orders a beer. Orders another beer and is feeling hungry. Walks into the attached restaurant next door. Pays for a steak. He's still thirsty. "Can you deliver the steak nextdoor?" "Sure we do it all the time. " Back to beers in the bar. The steak is taking a while. The steak is taking too long. His phone rings. It's his wife back home. "Hey, go next door and collect your steak, they couldn't find you. Don't drink too much. ".

True story. How's that privacy going? 😁.[/QUOTE]I know of many occasions where guys have received real time photos of that they are doing while they thought they were out of sight.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Pleasure83;2960102]Hello Everyone,

New joiner to the ISG after stumbling upon one of the posts on another local forums.

I am new to the forum but not to punting and am exploring options for my first solo pleasure trip overseas for about 1-2 weeks early next year.

Debating between Philippines or Thailand as both seems to offer a great options to play around.

For those who are more experienced and have explored both the shores, what are your thoughts and recommendations?

What sort of budget one should allocate to have a good time.

How's the overall scene and things work in Philippines? Are escort agencies reliable? I am more of a outcall guy as I prefer to take things with my own comfort rather than in calls.

How much is general cost for couple of hours sessions to say overnighter?

TiA.

Obviously, I will read through the forum posts. Would appreciate help here as well.[/QUOTE]Read first and then ask.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2960197] Do not fuck with the girls. They may be illiterate farmers daughters but it's amazing the support they can rally if they are slighted. Repercussions can be very serious indeed.[/QUOTE]I shouldn't over generalise. It's even worse if she's not a poverty babe. A friend married a partner in a prestigious legal firm. Lovely lady if you were on her good side. Absolutely fearsome if you weren't. After a few years and couple of kids he decided to sleep with the maid. How do you think that went for him?

G.

[QUOTE=Pleasure83;2960102]Hello Everyone,

New joiner to the ISG after stumbling upon one of the posts on another local forums.

I am new to the forum but not to punting and am exploring options for my first solo pleasure trip overseas for about 1-2 weeks early next year.
[/QUOTE]Great, you're going to have an incredible time, that will give you memories to last your lifetime.

[QUOTE=Pleasure83;2960102]
Debating between Philippines or Thailand as both seems to offer a great options to play around.
[/QUOTE]Thailand vs Philippines:

Food: Thailand has better food, by a mile.

Infrastructure: Thailand kills the Philippines. Hotels are better. Condos are better. And cheaper as well. Better internet. Roads, public transport. All better in Thailand.

Women: Thai women are generally better looking than Filipinas. Filipinas generally have poorer diet and nutrition. Cost for sex will be higher in Thailand by about 20 to 30 percent.

Language: Filipinas generally understand english and many of them speak english. Thailand, good luck communicating with most of the girls. Get used to google translate.

So in summary. If you want to talk to the women you sleep with. Go to filipinas. Otherwise Thailand is better in almost all respects.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2960200]Great, you're going to have an incredible time, that will give you memories to last your lifetime.

Thailand vs Philippines:

Food: Thailand has better food, by a mile.

Infrastructure: Thailand kills the Philippines. Hotels are better. Condos are better. And cheaper as well. Better internet. Roads, public transport. All better in Thailand.

Women: Thai women are generally better looking than Filipinas. Filipinas generally have poorer diet and nutrition. Cost for sex will be higher in Thailand by about 20 to 30 percent.

Language: Filipinas generally understand english and many of them speak english. Thailand, good luck communicating with most of the girls. Get used to google translate.

So in summary. If you want to talk to the women you sleep with. Go to filipinas. Otherwise Thailand is better in almost all respects.[/QUOTE]I've found sex in Thailand a lot like China: it's an industrial complex, where you will receive what ever you are prepared to pay for, just don't expect any soul. Sure there are hard core hoes in PH too but the chance of bumping into a jeans a t-shirt girl who absolutely rocks your world is much greater.

To Pleasure83: Remember the first rule of mongering in Asia: Don't fall in love!!

Enjoy. Your trip.

[QUOTE=Pleasure83;2960102]For those who are more experienced and have explored both the shores, what are your thoughts and recommendations?

What sort of budget one should allocate to have a good time.

How's the overall scene and things work in Philippines? Are escort agencies reliable? I am more of a outcall guy as I prefer to take things with my own comfort rather than in calls.

How much is general cost for couple of hours sessions to say overnighter?

TiA.

Obviously, I will read through the forum posts. Would appreciate help here as well.[/QUOTE]Mate, as you've got a lot of time to plan this, the best thing to do would be to delve deep into previous posts to get a feel of the The Phils and see if it will work for you.

(Your post is very broad with the questions you ask).

A lot of us are here because we either love visiting or living in The Phils or like what it has to offer compared to other locations.

I'd say the majority do the typical gogo / bar scene or there are others like myself who like to travel and seek out freelance options which I have found to be more personable and are repeat performers over time. All to their own preference.

I've been to Thailand once and I find the Filipina's to be more genuine if you're after a GF experience while you're there.

If you're after the escort experience, good luck.

There's so much more talent in the bars and elsewhere and you'll have more fun.

If you want a Thai or Filipina escort, you could probably get that at home and save yourself an airfare.

Just my experience _ Phil.

P.S. The comments the other guys have offered are well taking note of.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2960093]Thanks G and Old and Ugly for taking your time responding. You are both right about girls own network and connections and their skills on being on cellphone helps with deep searches.

It was more of a question based on what I see on Pina Love and one particular girl that I had met on my first trip.

As for Pina love, my profile clearly says "looking for a companion to spend good times when I'm in Philippines and I will compensate you for your time". I don't know what else I could write there to make it more transparent for them. I don't swipe write to any profile where it says looking for serious relationship or date to Mary. For me no point of making a bitter memory for anyone. It's does get tempting sometimes looking at a drop dead gorgeous but like I said, no point. Also, despite my clear intentions, I would get messages from ladies who are interested and their profile would say looking for marriage. I anlwa ask them if they had read my profile to set the expectations!

As for chasing me, only happened once from my very first trip to Philippines. Met her on Cupid. Pure shrimp. Amazing body with a not so pretty face. Stayed with me for 3 days. Sex was good but restriction of using protection and no BJ. She knew my full name, DOB, Nationality. Didn't cost me anything besides a round trip taxi ride for her. She didn't ask me for anything either despite my offer to give her some money to take her family to a restaurant. Was up for anything before coming but once arrived, wouldn't even do CBJ but would love for me to get down to her! I kicked her out after 3 days as she was getting from annoying to intolerable stage. 4th day she showed up back to my apartment hoping to make it up for it but I was already leaving for airport. This is why I have started switching accommodation between non P4 P girls to avoid awkward moments. I even had non-pro paid girls asking me if I was going to meet other girls and after saying yes, they would just stop talking. I simply don't get it! As if it's okay for them to hop on to different guys but not ok if I stick into a different turkey, why?

As far as honesty goes, don't have a wife to hide, don't have kids to hide, I don't give out my full name anymore nor my full DOB just to protect my identity. I do tell them my nationality. I think this much info should be enough.

Honestly I prefer P4 P over meeting any who wants to give it a try for the hope of getting hitched and GTFO from Paradise. I guess they are waiting for a miracle to happen and desperately chasing that.

I do wonder though, if these girls have such connections, how are their Philipino BF / husband getting away with cheating and abandoning their kids and not paying any child support? I came across many MILF who would simply say, guy left her with 1-2-3-4 kids and she is stuck taking care of them.[/QUOTE]All that I'm saying is do not make serious promises that you cannot keep. Like saying that you are going to marry them. Otherwise everything goes.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2960566]All that I'm saying is do not make serious promises that you cannot keep. Like saying that you are going to marry them. Otherwise everything goes.[/QUOTE]Will go one farther: Don't even say "I love you", if you don't. The country is just too open to sexual possibilities (pro and non-pro, monied and non-monied). Filipinas fall very easily. It would be better to get a point-and-shoot bargirl (where everyone understands the game) than to emotionally swindle an un-sophisticate.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2960567]Will go one farther: Don't even say "I love you", if you don't. The country is just too open to sexual possibilities (pro and non-pro, monied and non-monied). Filipinas fall very easily. It would be better to get a point-and-shoot bargirl (where everyone understands the game) than to emotionally swindle an un-sophisticate.[/QUOTE]Oh Fuck Westie.

Does that mean the small 'Mahal Kita' tattoo I got on my arm will land me in trouble?

Up until now, it has been a great way to start a convo and get a pretty one home for the night.

Phil.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2960566]All that I'm saying is do not make serious promises that you cannot keep. Like saying that you are going to marry them. Otherwise everything goes.[/QUOTE]You made me laugh, I don't think I've ever said that to anyone. Not even my American Ex Fiancé. She was the one who proposed me which only lasted about 2 yrs. But I do appreciate the heads up in dos and don't. Thanks bud.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2960567]Will go one farther: Don't even say "I love you", if you don't. The country is just too open to sexual possibilities (pro and non-pro, monied and non-monied). Filipinas fall very easily. It would be better to get a point-and-shoot bargirl (where everyone understands the game) than to emotionally swindle an un-sophisticate.[/QUOTE]Now this I've said few times in my life but only to those that I actually loved which Includes my Brazilian Ex (longest relationship in my life, lasted over 3 yrs then got tired) and second or most recent one is my Indonesian Sundanese Babe. If I am to settle with someone, that's definitely her but long way to go for both of us. By the way, I owe you an explanation in PM. Will do that shortly.

I've been tied up with work ever since got back with minimal sleep plus preparing for upcoming trip to Asia which is by end of January plus my Indo Babe just decided, she is coming to spend Christmas / New Year in NYC! My least favorite city in the world.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;2960637]Oh Fuck Westie.

Does that mean the small 'Mahal Kita' tattoo I got on my arm will land me in trouble?

Up until now, it has been a great way to start a convo and get a pretty one home for the night.[/QUOTE]It has no girl's name associated with it. You show it to every girl you bed? Also if its on your arm, its indicative that you got it for someone you actually loved?

I've never seen filipino words tatoo'd on any foreigner before.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2960774]It has no girl's name associated with it. You show it to every girl you bed? Also if its on your arm, its indicative that you got it for someone you actually loved?

I've never seen filipino words tatoo'd on any foreigner before.[/QUOTE]There's a bit of a back story Westie.

I got another tattoo at the time (and I'm not heavily tattooed) and the guy did a really good job and wanted to perfect a fine line script tattoo. It was a sober and 10 am decision and he asked "What can we do?

I said, "How about Mahal Kita?" and there it is.

And I must say, it's worked wonders. The Filipinas appreciate a bit of permanent Tagalog, and even at home, women have asked, "What does it mean?

'Just google it" , I say in return.

The responses both at home and in The Phils have been most productive _ wink, wink _ If you know what I mean.

Probably the best pick-up line I've ever used.

_ Phil.

A little goodie for the gents. 4' 10" little. A long tongue which she works rather well. A gal with a wildly nawty nature, who has been posted before. She gives good shadow.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2960774].....

I've never seen filipino words tatoo'd on any foreigner before.[/QUOTE]Often when I see a white guy with tattoos in a foreign language, I ask, with a straight face, in a convincing and sincere voice, "Why do you have the <language word for * tattooed on you?" Depending on circumstances I will say idiot, infidel, asshole, small penis, etc for *.

Great fun watching the look on their face when you say that. Once got a buddy of Chinese ancestry to confirm that a guy had "idiot" tattooed on his arm in Chinese. The funny thing was the guy was only Chinese ethnic, his ancestors had been in Canada several generations and he knew as much Chinese as I did, which is to say none at all.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2962213]Often when I see a white guy with tattoos in a foreign language, I ask, with a straight face, in a convincing and sincere voice, "Why do you have the <language word for * tattooed on you?" Depending on circumstances I will say idiot, infidel, asshole, small penis, etc for *.

Great fun watching the look on their face when you say that. Once got a buddy of Chinese ancestry to confirm that a guy had "idiot" tattooed on his arm in Chinese. The funny thing was the guy was only Chinese ethnic, his ancestors had been in Canada several generations and he knew as much Chinese as I did, which is to say none at all.[/QUOTE]I am imagining the first time your buddy gets his phone, turns on google translate, and points the camera at his tattoo 😂128514;128514;.

[QUOTE=Pleasure83;2960102]Hello Everyone,

New joiner to the ISG after stumbling upon one of the posts on another local forums.

I am new to the forum but not to punting and am exploring options for my first solo pleasure trip overseas for about 1-2 weeks early next year.

Debating between Philippines or Thailand as both seems to offer a great options to play around.

For those who are more experienced and have explored both the shores, what are your thoughts and recommendations?

What sort of budget one should allocate to have a good time.

How's the overall scene and things work in Philippines? Are escort agencies reliable? I am more of a outcall guy as I prefer to take things with my own comfort rather than in calls.

How much is general cost for couple of hours sessions to say overnighter?

TiA.

Obviously, I will read through the forum posts. Would appreciate help here as well.[/QUOTE]I have not posted here in YEARS, so I will help out a newbie. I have been to both Thailand and Philippines MANY times.

For a first trip, I would keep it simple. Go to Pattaya Thailand. If you are not shy, jump off the deep end and go to ski 6 just after dark. Hit up walking street at night. Maybe LK metro too. For a first trip, just have fun and don't take things too serious.

I work in a different country in Asia, so I have easy access to both countries. I like Filipinas better. I have MANY more long term filipina "friends". However, for mongering, Thailand is superior.

I saw a girl complaining online about foreigners paying only 8 k per day (as in it's too low) Is this the norm now? How much do you guys pay for LT?

[QUOTE=Fiddyq8;2963249]I saw a girl complaining online about foreigners paying only 8 k per day (as in it's too low) Is this the norm now? How much do you guys pay for LT?[/QUOTE]Your average Pinalove girl accepts 4-5 k LT in Manila. In the provinces, girls can be had for half of this. An IG hottie can be multiples of it. Unfortunately there has been a rise in the number of girls asking, and sticking to, ridiculous prices. Remember that many girls are now making big money online without even meeting guys. Just move on as there are many who have reasonable expectations.

G.

[QUOTE=Fiddyq8;2963249]I saw a girl complaining online about foreigners paying only 8 k per day (as in it's too low) Is this the norm now? How much do you guys pay for LT?[/QUOTE]To put this in perspective, minimum wage in the phillipines is 645 per day. Working 6 days a week gives you 15600 php per month. Most of these girls are not qualified to do anything but minimum wage. Jobs. At 5 k should would be earning about 8 times the amount she would be working a normal job, but working much less hours in the day.

Anyone can complain. I also complain too. I complain that I don't get paid 10 k usd a day for 3 hours of work per day.

Like the other poster said. Ignore it and move on.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2963338]Your average Pinalove girl accepts 4-5 k LT in Manila. In the provinces, girls can be had for half of this. An IG hottie can be multiples of it. Unfortunately there has been a rise in the number of girls asking, and sticking to, ridiculous prices. Remember that many girls are now making big money online without even meeting guys. Just move on as there are many who have reasonable expectations.

G.[/QUOTE]Over the years I've seen the internet and cell phone access doing a number on the monger hobby in Asia. Many years ago we had it made as they were out of touch what their kitty was really worth. Education will do us in eventually, not the basics reading, writing etc, its the internet education. They can now look online and go what the hell, look what some of these girls are getting elsewhere. We are kinda to blame to as we mention how expensive a woman is in home countries of same quality. These girls will wise up, maybe we got 5 to 10 years before its as costly there as everywhere else. I'm already running into this with the new breed,18 to 20 year olds, they want 8 k minimum at least if they are cute. That age bracket is not my cup of tea but still I see the change coming. True, go far enough out in the province it will still be reasonable for a long time to come. This of course is not practical for the 2 week warrior. I'm in my 60's,hopefully it will hold out until I'm done.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2963360]To put this in perspective, minimum wage in the phillipines is 645 per day. Working 6 days a week gives you 15600 php per month. Most of these girls are not qualified to do anything but minimum wage. Jobs. At 5 k should would be earning about 8 times the amount she would be working a normal job, but working much less hours in the day.

Anyone can complain. I also complain too. I complain that I don't get paid 10 k usd a day for 3 hours of work per day.

Like the other poster said. Ignore it and move on.[/QUOTE]Don't forget that the girls often aren't part of the formal economy. Tondo sweat shops won't pay 645 p per day.

For most of the girls, the next best alternatives to open their legs are get paid zero helping mom around the house or maybe 2-300 taking in laundry.

Let's not discuss prices paid by local guys vs foreigners.

G.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2963361]Over the years I've seen the internet and cell phone access doing a number on the monger hobby in Asia. Many years ago we had it made as they were out of touch what their kitty was really worth. Education will do us in eventually, not the basics reading, writing etc, its the internet education. They can now look online and go what the hell, look what some of these girls are getting elsewhere. We are kinda to blame to as we mention how expensive a woman is in home countries of same quality. These girls will wise up, maybe we got 5 to 10 years before its as costly there as everywhere else. I'm already running into this with the new breed,18 to 20 year olds, they want 8 k minimum at least if they are cute. That age bracket is not my cup of tea but still I see the change coming. True, go far enough out in the province it will still be reasonable for a long time to come. This of course is not practical for the 2 week warrior. I'm in my 60's,hopefully it will hold out until I'm done.[/QUOTE]Don't forget that discount airfares work both ways. I know several girls doing regular runs to Dubai etc. It's hardly surprising that they aren't giving out $20ST's anymore.

G.

[QUOTE=Fiddyq8;2963249]I saw a girl complaining online about foreigners paying only 8 k per day (as in it's too low) Is this the norm now? How much do you guys pay for LT?[/QUOTE]Most are happy with 4000 for overnight, good looking 5000. I barely bother having a conversation if they start the 8 - 10000 nonsense.

[QUOTE=Fiddyq8;2963249]I saw a girl complaining online about foreigners paying only 8 k per day (as in it's too low) Is this the norm now? How much do you guys pay for LT?[/QUOTE]There's too many weak willed retards out there who will always capitulate to the girl's demands at the very first ask. Some will even be happy to send the money to her for a quick flash of the nipples or even just to chat. Unfortunately the internet has made an unholy match out of these two groups and there's nothing we can do about it unless we're boots on the ground ready to meet those girls who haven't been spoiled by online / offline simps yet. Heck even Filipino internet is full of dopey Filipino dudes who complain about sending downpayments to pay girls only for them to get blocked / ghosted immediately afterwards.

Not much we can do except to play the game on our own terms when it's our turn in line.

I might meet up with some scuba friends in Puerto Galera, still finalizing details, but if I do, it would be nice to find some female company. I've been reading this board, but still had a few questions:

1) Is everything paid by cash? Should I carry Philippine pesos (vs Euros, USD, etc)? How much should I carry? How likely am I to be robbed? If I have to negotiate a price, I have to carry more than I need. But obviously if I end up naked, I can't keep any cash on my person.

2) Am I better looking for a massage, a bar or somewhere else? If I have to take a girl back to a hotel, are most hotels accommodating?

3) Am I better off trying to find something somewhere in Manila or going straight to Puerto Galera? I'd rather not go to Angels, too far in the wrong direction. A night or 2 near EDSA or somewhere else in Manila is doable.

[QUOTE=SRob0;2963771]I might meet up with some scuba friends in Puerto Galera, still finalizing details, but if I do, it would be nice to find some female company. I've been reading this board, but still had a few questions:

1) Is everything paid by cash? Should I carry Philippine pesos (vs Euros, USD, etc)? How much should I carry? How likely am I to be robbed? If I have to negotiate a price, I have to carry more than I need. But obviously if I end up naked, I can't keep any cash on my person.

2) Am I better looking for a massage, a bar or somewhere else? If I have to take a girl back to a hotel, are most hotels accommodating?

3) Am I better off trying to find something somewhere in Manila or going straight to Puerto Galera? I'd rather not go to Angels, too far in the wrong direction. A night or 2 near EDSA or somewhere else in Manila is doable.[/QUOTE]For a newbie like you, I would recommend a visit to Angeles, before you do anything else in the PH, to get your answers, and initial training, even if everybody keeps bitching about Angeles. And a 2 hour drive in the PH is considered extremely short and convenient, absolutely nothing compared to the rest of the traffic clusterfuck.
And, yes, cash only, and pesos, nobody knows the value of the USD, or what the fuck are the paper clippings from the colorbook, called Euros.

[QUOTE=SRob0;2963771]I might meet up with some scuba friends in Puerto Galera, still finalizing details, but if I do, it would be nice to find some female company. I've been reading this board, but still had a few questions:

1) Is everything paid by cash? Should I carry Philippine pesos (vs Euros, USD, etc)? How much should I carry? How likely am I to be robbed? If I have to negotiate a price, I have to carry more than I need. But obviously if I end up naked, I can't keep any cash on my person.

2) Am I better looking for a massage, a bar or somewhere else? If I have to take a girl back to a hotel, are most hotels accommodating?

3) Am I better off trying to find something somewhere in Manila or going straight to Puerto Galera? I'd rather not go to Angels, too far in the wrong direction. A night or 2 near EDSA or somewhere else in Manila is doable.[/QUOTE]Can I ask, have you travelled to Asia before? Or even outside of your home country?

[QUOTE=SRob0;2963771]I might meet up with some scuba friends in Puerto Galera, still finalizing details, but if I do, it would be nice to find some female company. I've been reading this board, but still had a few questions:

1) Is everything paid by cash? Should I carry Philippine pesos (vs Euros, USD, etc)? How much should I carry? How likely am I to be robbed? If I have to negotiate a price, I have to carry more than I need. But obviously if I end up naked, I can't keep any cash on my person.

2) Am I better looking for a massage, a bar or somewhere else? If I have to take a girl back to a hotel, are most hotels accommodating?

3) Am I better off trying to find something somewhere in Manila or going straight to Puerto Galera? I'd rather not go to Angels, too far in the wrong direction. A night or 2 near EDSA or somewhere else in Manila is doable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2963907]Can I ask, have you travelled to Asia before? Or even outside of your home country?[/QUOTE]1/. Yes everything is PHP Cash. The only exception is that you can normally pay for your hotel via card, Agoda etc. Larger restaurants may accept card. There are ATMs in Sabang and PG but they routinely shut down and / or run out of cash so don't be down to your last 100 peso. You need 5000 per barfine plus drinks, plus meals, plus, plus. This is a PITA when ATMs only dispense 10 k per withdrawal. MAKE SURE YOUR BANK IS AWARE THAT YOU WILL BE MAKING MULTIPLE WITHDRAWLS EVERYDAY. Don't do anything crazy and you won't be robbed.

2/. Sabang centers around Gogo bars. There are freelancers but they are regularly run out of town when the bars complain about the competition. You could also follow Phil's directions to meet casuals / semi pros.

All Sabang hotels are girl friendly. Some wildly so especially late at night. Pools, gardens, dive shops, secluded corners may or may not be off limits at various times of the night.

Note that you have asked about Puerto Galera. I assume you mean nearby Sabang. They are different places. There is F-All in Puerto and all the bars etc are in Sabang.

3/. Everyone has different tastes. Personally, I like Makati but others prefer other areas. Is EDSA Entertainment Complex even open?? I thought it closed years ago.

Jingo: ROTFL. Report of Distinction. 😜.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2963906]For a newbie like you, I would recommend a visit to Angeles, before you do anything else in the PH...[/QUOTE]I'll be an outlier and suggest a newbie shouldn't even leave Manila, especially for a short trip.

It's got everything: hot and foreigner friendly bar girls, a gazillion online girls, freelancer night clubs, models and promo girls, desperate shabu hoes, good girls. Take your pick. Don't forget that the hottest girls always follow the money which stops in the big smoke.

Add to these the multitude of hotel, food and non mongering options and it's worth considering.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2963918]I'll be an outlier and suggest a newbie shouldn't even leave Manila, especially for a short trip.

It's got everything: hot and foreigner friendly bar girls, a gazillion online girls, freelancer night clubs, models and promo girls, desperate shabu hoes, good girls. Take your pick. Don't forget that the hottest girls always follow the money which stops in the big smoke.

Add to these the multitude of hotel, food and non mongering options and it's worth considering.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. While Manila isn't a great place to be a tourist it's much nicer than AC which imo is kind of a dump. If you want that kind of vibe go to Thailand. Manila has everything when it comes to options to meet women. Plus food is better.