Angeles City

Well I have been 'dumped' by one of my favorite girls. There is a AC foreigner resident (possibly on this forum) whom has found himself with a very good woman.

When I say dumped I mean that she has told me that she will no longer see me on future visits. I'm absolutely OK with the situation as she is a great girl and our arrangement was that as soon as she found a regular guy 'in country' she would no longer see me. We had agreed that I was not the guy she needs in the longer term. She simply wants a guy that she can go to each weekend. . How good is that!

She is a university student from the area and will reliably spend each weekend with her new BF in AC. To the lucky guy please look after her and do not play up on her. She's a keeper for the right guy.

For me, I'll keep her on the prospect list, last BF lasted 6 months.

Now, who's next on the prospect list.

BD.

Recently tasted AC once again. Had a great time as usual. Don't worry lads, one mans stunner is another mans dog. Its all subjective. So long as you are enjoying yourself, that's all that matters. Doomsayers never say where it is good, cause there is no good place for a doomsayer. In Cebu, Arena show place, was dominated by the K's, about 50/100 of them to one sole whitey, me. One of my better trips, the result of a new patent pending modus operandi. Secret. Seasons Greetings.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1975713]I'm absolutely OK with the situation as she is a great girl and our arrangement was that as soon as she found a regular guy 'in country' she would no longer see me. We had agreed that I was not the guy she needs in the longer term. She simply wants a guy that she can go to each weekend. . How good is that!

For me, I'll keep her on the prospect list, last BF lasted 6 months.

Now, who's next on the prospect list.

BD.[/QUOTE]Sorry to read this. I know the mixed emotions; the sadness, especially when it's a girl who's a pleasure to spend time with outside the bed too. It's only fair that the girl have her shot to find what she wants, which you rightly recognise. You're handling it commendably.

Here's hoping Santa brings you a nice present for 2017. Happy Christmas, BD.

- The weather sucked the last few days in Sabang, Puerto Galera. High winds cancelled all boats for around 3 days. I had to go to Calapan (taking 2 jeepneys) to take the large Supercat Fast Ferry. From Bantagas, I normally take either a private car (hotel raised their price to 6000 pesos) or take the combo of Ski Kat (from Bantagas to Citystate Tower Hotel) and then walk over to Southern Cross Hotel to take their shuttle. This tourist option is easier and has less hassles, but it takes more time and is more expensive. On this day, this option was not available.

- This is the method to take A/C Filipino buses from Bantagas Pier to Angeles. I was lucky. There were couple of helpful Pinays that helped me during this trip. It was an adventure. I traveled with local people!

1) From Bantagas Pier, as you exit, go to the bus terminal. It is a very short walk. It is left of the terminal; just follow the signs. Take the JAM Liner to Cubao (175 pesos).

2) At your final stop, the JAM Liner will drop you off in front of the JAC bus terminal. Wait in front of the JAC bus terminal station for the Solid North bus (labeled/headed for Dau). The price is 139 pesos. Note: I got one of the last seats. On the next stop, several people had to stand on the aisle.

3) Got off at Dau terminal. Take a trike to Fields for 80 pesos. Mr E was right about the price, but I still verified the price. I verify the price for everything from trikes to girls. I don't want a scene.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1976207]Recently tasted AC once again. Had a great time as usual. Don't worry lads, one mans stunner is another mans dog. Its all subjective. So long as you are enjoying yourself, that's all that matters. Doomsayers never say where it is good, cause there is no good place for a doomsayer. In Cebu, Arena show place, was dominated by the K's, about 50/100 of them to one sole whitey, me. One of my better trips, the result of a new patent pending modus operandi. Secret. Seasons Greetings.[/QUOTE]I concur. Some said AC good days are long gone but AC is still pretty much a bargain for P4P. Depends on your game, you can still have fun with tons of pussy without spending much $$. From my last AC trip- it was sure memorable.

Happy hunting.

So I traveled around Philippines last month and managed to squeeze a 2 night 3 day trip into Angeles City which is something I was really looking forward to. Unfortunately for me a day before I went Angeles I had a stomach bug so I was feeling rough and going to the toilet quite often. This unfortunately took me out the game on the first day & night. I thought instead of just wasting time in bed I would use the first night to scout so went to all the usual places around Fields ave, such as Doll house, club Atlantis q club etc. In these clubs I thought the girls were OK, but the best ones were taken, fortunately the mamsans were all really friendly and the one in Dollhouse telling me to chill out tonight have a drink tonight, no need to pay for drinks as I reminded her of one of her sons. If only I was feeling well enough to drink properly.

2nd night I was determined for action so went into a few more clubs like lollipop and I ended up choosing a girl from one of the bars that was a pirate theme (maybe Vikings)? Surprised at how cheap it was for a girl, only had to pay 2500 peso for a whole night and the girl was pretty, had a good body but was small compared to me. I thought that I had to also pay the girl extra, but she was fine with 2500 given at the bar which was a pleasant surprise. I was staying close to fields ave by central park tower which was comfortable rooms, quite private and good enough so you can't hear the nightlife.

The girl was giving a proper GFE, a lot of kissing, oral, sex in multiple positions and wanted to cuddle after each session. She stayed all night and was happy to screw for as long as you wanted and really enjoyed kissing.

All in all I would go back to Angeles as it is a cheap city for sex and girls are decent. Hopefully next time my stomach won't be messed up.

Question if anyone knows if the bars are open on Christmas, News Eve and New Year's Day?

Specifically Camelot and Doll House. Will be Manila and may surprise visit my favorites in Angeles city if they are open.

Appreciate any intel.

JR.

[QUOTE=JusRide;1977652]Question if anyone knows if the bars are open on Christmas, News Eve and New Year's Day?

Specifically Camelot and Doll House. Will be Manila and may surprise visit my favorites in Angeles city if they are open.

Appreciate any intel.

JR.[/QUOTE]I think it's business as usual these days. When I walked down Fields this morning around 8 AM halve of the stores were open already. Even stores like Manson Drugs for example.

The bars were closed at that early hour obviously, including Doll House, but I haven't seen any signs saying they will be closed today.

My first AC trip is going well, so far only one runner. I have RTFF but I do have one question. Is it true that some guys actually pay upwards of 60 k to permantly barfine a girl? What would ne the purpose when you can pay 1500-3 k pesos each time you arrive in AC?

More extensive report later.

[QUOTE=Carrib;1979544]My first AC trip is going well, so far only one runner. I have RTFF but I do have one question. Is it true that some guys actually pay upwards of 60 k to permantly barfine a girl? What would ne the purpose when you can pay 1500-3 k pesos each time you arrive in AC?

More extensive report later.[/QUOTE]I believe some guys keep their GF bg on ice for 15 k to 20 k plus a month. The GF doesn't bar fine and just works for drink commissions. The purpose is to keep the GF to themselves.

[QUOTE=Carrib;1979544]My first AC trip is going well, so far only one runner. I have RTFF but I do have one question. Is it true that some guys actually pay upwards of 60 k to permantly barfine a girl? What would ne the purpose when you can pay 1500-3 k pesos each time you arrive in AC?..[/QUOTE]Some guys like to remove their special girl from the bar on a permanent basis so they can make her their wife or live-in girlfriend. I guess some guys hate having their wife or girlfriend working in a bar where she is being drilled bareback by all and sundry. Most stunners are instantly taken on permanent bar fine within days of arriving in the bar from the provinces. Many well-heeled expats prefer to keep such girls to themselves instead of sharing with their transient sex tourist brethren.

[QUOTE=Carrib;1979544]Is it true that some guys actually pay upwards of 60 k to permantly barfine a girl? What would ne the purpose when you can pay 1500-3 k pesos each time you arrive in AC?[/QUOTE]60K pesos is the price for the "Bar Out" fine for Atlantis. All this goes to the bar. Most/all? bars should have them (prices should be different). It gives you the right to take out the girl without paying the bar the barfine, while the girl still works at the bar drawing a salary and lady drinks (when you are not there).

This can save you money if you barfine her a lot. The break even point will be 40 barfines (60,000 / 1500). Note you also need to pay the girl since she won't be making any money from the bar when you take her out.

After you "Bar Out" her, you can either pay her an allowance to remain faithful (hopefully?), or you can still let her work and barfine.

I know a girl in Atlantis that gets 30 K pesos from her sponsor to remain faithful. She only does ladydrinks or only barfines to barhop (Damn! She was a nice one).

After having an incredible 1 month trip to Philippines, a scam was attempted on my last days of the trip. I arrived to Grand Central Hotel for a 3 day stay in Angeles. I chatted up a couple girls on DIA and had a long chat session with a girl named Rochelle Magat. Later, she texted me on 2 different phone numbers to setup a meeting. She then friended me on facebook under the name Rochelle. Then a friend of hers friended me under the name Mila Sousa. I picked up a cute in Qbar for 3000 and had breakfast with her on the patio of Grand Central the next morning. The Mila Sousa profile texted me: "you see my profile. No girl like me here not even slim girl you have lunch with today grand central. She has S. T. D. Do see Dr. Guzman fast". I was like WTF? I don't know you and I don't want to know you. Then she texted "this N. B. I. we know your room number Grand Central and flight number Friday. 500,000 p tonite 7 pm or Camp Olivis? No joke." I had no idea what this about, but it crept me out enough since there was an unknown stalker, that I left Angeles early and I had to spend my last night in Manila alone. I think this Rochelle and Mila are the same person and maybe even a lady boy? It's a lesson learned for me: Never give out your actual date of departure and where you are staying to anyone on the internet. Worse off, I think Mila was right: The girl from QBar did have an STD! I'm on antibiotics now. A very bad ending to an amazing trip.

[QUOTE=Carrib;1979544]My first AC trip is going well, so far only one runner. I have RTFF but I do have one question. Is it true that some guys actually pay upwards of 60 k to permantly barfine a girl? What would ne the purpose when you can pay 1500-3 k pesos each time you arrive in AC?

More extensive report later.[/QUOTE]For anyone thinking of paying a 'permanent bar fine'. Well. Just stop thinking about it. Too many reasons to never do this. I will just mention a few.

1. I have had 3 so called 'Perm bar fined' ladies spend days / nights with me outside the bars work shift.

2. If the girl decides to quit the bar, you are SOL.

3. Remember this and don't ever forget it. 'Out of sight. Out of mind'.

Just save your money to spend when you are in the PI.

[QUOTE=AsianLover2;1979750]For anyone thinking of paying a 'permanent bar fine'. Well. Just stop thinking about it. Too many reasons to never do this. I will just mention a few.

1. I have had 3 so called 'Perm bar fined' ladies spend days / nights with me outside the bars work shift. SNIP 'Out of sight. Out of mind'.

Just save your money to spend when you are in the PI.[/QUOTE]Similar thought from me. Multiple girls. After I barfined her, some months later I'd see her in the same bar and chat her up, to find that she has a foreign boyfriend who pays to keep her from barfining other guys, + he gives her remittance for herself. Somehow she seems to end up in my AC hotel room after her shift (repeatedly), happy for some combination of: aircon, sex, breakfast, me, shopping, or a few hundred pesos. Really sweetie, your overseas boyfriend gives you 30 k each month? "Yes he give 15 thousand and two weeks after 15 more". And you're fine with the spanking I gave you while doggy-ing you last night? "Haha yes of course like before". Lets call this girl "X" (more later). Your foreign boyfriend, you don't tell him about me, right? "No"!

Regardless of how many times the gent comes to phils, many of us spend our time just mongering. We don't get to know the girl's life circumstances, her likes and dislikes, her passion (s). We want nothing to do with those things. We don't take the time to visit her family and see how she lives her life (we typically don't want that). We don't go to church with her and her family. We rarely visit the province to spend time with her family. When is the last time you spent noche Buena with a pinay and her family (and how many mongers have no idea what that is, or what it means to pinoy)? For this reason, most of us miss this important cultural item: pinoy are [B]extremely opportunistic[/B], and for many reasons (for herself, her family, or her pinoy boyfriend whom she loves).

Back to "X". After sharing her spank-able thought she asked: "Can I come here Friday night? I don't want to go home after shift". Sure. Why Friday? "My roommate (lets call her "Z") is dancer also on permanent barfine. Boyfriend of Z is coming Friday. She want a private time to him Friday night, so I don't want to go home". Oh, I see. Her foreign boyfriend will visit her. I understand that part, but he wants to stay in your dorm room with her? I don't understand that part, won't he have a hotel? "No not her foreign boyfriend. He is Japanese guy. Her pinoy boyfriend coming from province to visit". Doh! "She think he want to marry her and he will asking". Doh! Will she say yes, do you think? "Yes of course she lab him berry much". And then she will tell the Japanese gent and break the permanent barfine, yes? "No. That guy sending her more pesos than my Australyan guy sending me. She not a boo-ong (buang, crazy)". Doh!

What I wanted to say to her, but didn't: So you are f*cking around behind your sponsor's back with another foreigner (me), and your friend is doing the same with her pinoy boyfriend, right?

[B]Extreme opportunism[/B], gents, is built into the culture. Not every pinay is this way, but it is so much engrained into the culture, it makes bargirls untrustworthy as life partners. One would have to be either buang to perm barfine a bargirl, or else live very close by, where you could keep an eye on her all the time. Heed AL2's warning: Out of sight. . .

Thanks for your 1st post, a few thoughts if I might.

First you did exactly the correct thing by getting far away as soon as possible, who is to know exactly who these people are or who they are involved with.

In saying that, normally when the police want to set foreigners up they do not threaten by phone, they come and knock the door down while you are still in the room with the girl (girl is in on the scam) and accuse one of made up charges usually related to the girls age, the race for ones freedom and how much that is going to cost starts then.

Well done for getting out and taking no chances.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1980010]What I wanted to say to her, but didn't: So you are f*cking around behind your sponsor's back with another foreigner (me), and your friend is doing the same with her pinoy boyfriend, right?[/QUOTE]Great story man. You should have said that shit. Will someone please explain to me why guys go through all this shit with hookers when they can just get a regular girl that they don't have to pay if they want a real relationship?

Guys thanks for the informative replies and messages regarding "perma barfine" girls. I was not considering any such deal / transaction. When I first heard of this, I popped on here to inquire as I was amazed that such a thing even existed. However After traveling in Asia for years, I shouldn't be, Asians will cater to any demand for a price.

I was at a bar the other day someone had a 1-2 year old baby girl, they got her on the stage and she was holding on to the pole and dancing. All the bar girls stood around her and cheered on. Only in PI.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1980031]Thanks for your 1st post, a few thoughts if I might.

First you did exactly the correct thing by getting far away as soon as possible, who is to know exactly who these people are or who they are involved with.

In saying that, normally when the police want to set foreigners up they do not threaten by phone, they come and knock the door down while you are still in the room with the girl (girl is in on the scam) and accuse one of made up charges usually related to the girls age, the race for ones freedom and how much that is going to cost starts then.

Well done for getting out and taking no chances.[/QUOTE]I would like to know how they or she got the hotel information. Did he give them the hotel where he was staying? Did they say the room number and flight number?

Did he do a video chat with this Rochelle?

I think they ran a good bluff on him. Their mistake was asking for too much. Greed got to them.

Sounds to me like they got his picture off FB or video chat and someone verified him at the hotel and chatted up the bg for some info. To me it doesn't sound like the bg was in on it.

Part of the risk hunting for free poon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1980055]Great story man. You should have said that shit. Will someone please explain to me why guys go through all this shit with hookers when they can just get a regular girl that they don't have to pay if they want a real relationship?[/QUOTE]I can't explain it as I have never done this before and probably or absolutely never will do it. Who can really explain the actions of someone in love!

I have on occasions had a few different sponsored BGs come to my hotel room and spend the night with me. Good thing they were off duty around 11 pm instead of 3 am! To the BGs defense, the 15 k monthly allowances were coming in sporadically and starting to be lower than promised. Up until that point they were pretty loyal. From my little experience of it, it seems like the boyfriends were drinkers or drunks and poor money mangers.

2 of the girls were beautiful spinners with tight tight pussies that could and would make me cum even if I was running dry. These 2 girls were capable of settling down if the right guy came along. I think it is a 2 way street when you say the quality of a GF is not there in the bars, it is the same for the girls, slim pickings from the boys.

[QUOTE=Carrib;1980057]I was at a bar the other day someone had a 1-2 year old baby girl, they got her on the stage and she was holding on to the pole and dancing. All the bar girls stood around her and cheered on. Only in PI.[/QUOTE]In addition to children being in a bar (or worse, on stage), another child factor. After a Pacquio fight, it is usually shown on TV's in the malls electronics stores. Often you see parents holding infants an small kids, watching the blood fly.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1980059]I would like to know how they or she got the hotel information. Did he give them the hotel where he was staying? Did they say the room number and flight number?

Did he do a video chat with this Rochelle?

I think they ran a good bluff on him. Their mistake was asking for too much. Greed got to them.

Sounds to me like they got his picture off FB or video chat and someone verified him at the hotel and chatted up the bg for some info. To me it doesn't sound like the bg was in on it.

Part of the risk hunting for free poon.[/QUOTE]I never did a video chat or even talked on the phone, I only texted through fb and regular text. I did tell her the hotel where I was staying, but she never said the exact room # or flight #. She only implied it, so it probably was a bluff. I think they got my picture off fb and then someone verified me at the hotel. That was enough to creep me out enough to leave. In retrospect, maybe I would have ignored the threat, but having someone out there that knows your name, face, location and is out to get out you is pretty disconcerting. It's definitely a lesson learned not to give out my location and fb without meeting in person first.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1980153] another child factor. After a Pacquio fight, it is usually shown on TV's in the malls electronics stores. Often you see parents holding infants an small kids, watching the blood fly.[/QUOTE]They graduate to chicken fights soon enough. Blood and feathers flying. Such a huge turnout at those things.

[QUOTE=JustAwny;1980739]I never did a video chat or even talked on the phone, I only texted through fb and regular text. I did tell her the hotel where I was staying, but she never said the exact room # or flight #. She only implied it, so it probably was a bluff. I think they got my picture off fb and then someone verified me at the hotel. That was enough to creep me out enough to leave. In retrospect, maybe I would have ignored the threat, but having someone out there that knows your name, face, location and is out to get out you is pretty disconcerting. It's definitely a lesson learned not to give out my location and fb without meeting in person first.[/QUOTE]No harm no foul. Glad you are safe. Your hotel is right on walking street and highly visible to everyone. Many times I have been to AC incognito to try out new girls and have been spotted by bg or her friends. One time bg friend saw me whizzing by in a trike! And I stay in perimeter hotel.

Happy New Year!

BTW, I have known people previously treated by Dr. Guzman and have high remarks for the doctor.

This is not a specific report but more of a general question based on my personal experience. Kind of an odd question and I tried to see if someone asked something similar before but could not find much. I am probably an unusual type of client for the bar girls. I suffer from ED that is of psychological origin. Otherwise I have a normal (sometimes high) sex drive, can reach orgasm with no problems just can't sustain an erection for intercourse. Usual drugs (Cialis, Viagra etc) don't work very well for me (again due to psychological nature of the problem).

But that's not why I am here. My question is whether people who have similar problems can share tips in how to explain this to the girls in order to avoid misunderstandings and unpleasant situations. In my limited experience (4 "pleasure trips") most girls have a hard time understanding what I am looking for. Basically I am looking for mutual masturbation, lots of cuddling and all other possible ways to enjoy lovemaking without actual penetration. Often the girl thinks I will be disappointed if I can't keep my erection. She probably fears I won't tip or I might think she provides poor service or whatever. One time the girl tried frantically to arouse me which had the opposite effect. The funny thing, from a girl's perspective, I should be a preferable client because she earns the same amount without having to actually have intercourse. But, in most cases, the attitude from her was awkwardness rather than relief.

It is true, that, I bring the subject of my problem only in the room after getting naked. To confuse the problem further, I do get erections during foreplay I just can't keep them when starting intercourse so, probably, the girl may think she is doing something wrong.

Again, I'm not posting this to find solutions to my problem (I know this is not the ideal forum for it). My question is whether there are any punters who deal with ED that they cannot improve with drugs and, in that case, what advice do you have in how to still have an enjoyable encounter with a girl: when to tell her (before or after going to the hotel), how to explain that I will be perfectly fine without intercourse and all other things related. I just want her to simply ignore my problem and not worry about it. Also if you know whether there are discussions already posted on this topic, I would appreciate pointing them out to me.

[QUOTE=JustAwny;1980739]It's definitely a lesson learned not to give out my location and fb without meeting in person first.[/QUOTE]Yet another reason to have a separate, fake FB account, with no pic of yourself. Later, you can cam-to-cam with your intended (don't turn your cam on until the girl turns hers on first).

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;1980793]Again, I'm not posting this to find solutions to my problem (I know this is not the ideal forum for it). My question is whether there are any punters who deal with ED that they cannot improve with drugs and, in that case, what advice do you have in how to still have an enjoyable encounter with a girl: when to tell her (before or after going to the hotel), how to explain that I will be perfectly fine without intercourse and all other things related. I just want her to simply ignore my problem and not worry about it. Also if you know whether there are discussions already posted on this topic, I would appreciate pointing them out to me.[/QUOTE]CE, thanks for having the courage to post this question. There was a related discussion about ejaculatory "dysfunction" in the thread "Filipinas--Opinions and Advice" that ran from about the 19th to the 24th of December. You may want to check it out.

I think in interactions with these girls there are at least three underlying problems. First, despite their seeming to know English, they often pick up only the high points of things we say to them and do not pick up on subtleties and details. This complicates the task of trying to communicate these issues in the bar, especially since most of the bars are not good environments for intimate conversation. So, if she doesn't quite understand what you're saying, she may dismiss you in her mind as too complicated, especially if there are other potential customers whose expectations seem more straight-forward.

Second, there is the issue somebody raised in the ejaculatory dysfunction discussion in the other thread that some Pinays take it personally when you don't cum. They think it's because of something about them. So this rears its head in the bedroom rather than the barroom.

Third, despite having experienced a lot of straight-forward fucking with a variety of men, most of these girls are still comparatively young and really can't comprehend these other kinds of issues, so many problems with erectile and ejaculatory dysfunctions get interpreted through the lens of the second problem: "I'm not sexy enough or a good enough performer to make him cum."

I have not experienced the kind of psychological barrier you allude to, but, at 69 years of age, I have occasionally experienced ED despite using blue pills. One of the lessons I have learned is that I can cum from a BJ or an HJ even without a full erection. Frankly, depending on the connection you have with the woman, cumming in a woman's mouth seems almost more intimate, more giving on her part, than cumming in her vagina. These are things for you to think about on your own, but one way to understand ED is that it's only a hindrance to being able to enter her vagina, and not a barrier to cumming.

My first suggestion is that you tell the girl you would first like to go out for a drink or something to eat somewhere else. In advance you will have scoped out potential intimate venues where you can take her. Getting her to a more intimate setting accomplishes several things. First, it makes it more possible to talk intimately. Second, it gives you a chance to show her you're a good guy rather than a weirdo. Third, it gives her an incentive to stick with you; she's already invested time in you, and to give up at that point means starting all over again with other guys if she goes back to the bar. Fourth, it tells her you're invested in her, and hopefully this makes her feel special.

When you do discuss your issue with her perhaps you can frame it in terms of things you want to do rather than things you don't want to do or can't do. In my case, for example, I love to go DATY, and I sound them out on this before we set off. I also ask about BJs etc. So you could just sound her out on the kinds of things you would like to do. Some of the girls don't want to cum with customers, but if you sound out with her that her cumming is in the cards, then you can offer to get her off with your tongue or fingers. In the bedroom a couple of fingers crooked upward into the area of the G-Spot may work faster than your tongue on her clitoris, and the orgasm is often more forceful. As a part of the same conversation, you simply work in some conversation about what kinds of activities will make you happy in the bedroom. Will she do BJs, will she allow CIM? If she will do BJs but not CIM, then you just prepare her for when you're close to cumming. From this kind of conversation she goes into the bedroom with more realistic expectations about what's going to happen between the two of you.

I hope some of these ideas help, and please report back about your experiences. I'm sure there are others in the forum who can benefit from your experience and your willingness to put your issue out into the open.

One other small suggestion: go ahead and join ISG. It's only $20, and some guys might be more comfortable talking about this stuff in a Private Message rather than out on the open forum. It's a small investment into a wealth of knowledge from the experiences of many guys who have made thousands of posts here.

ChaosErrant,

As the doc explained it to me, as you get older it is harder to maintain an erection because you have leakage of the blood out deflating the erection, especially in the missionary position. Try doing cowgirl as it may be easier to maintain an erection in that manner. I know without vitamin V I am trying to beat the deflation clock and it is easier to maintain one on my back. Give it a try.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1980777]BTW, I have known people previously treated by Dr. Guzman and have high remarks for the doctor.[/QUOTE]He's very good and his one-armed injection technique is something to see. But he's a lot more expensive than an AC short time!

I just returned from 4 days in AC. NY eve was a let down. Many restaurants and some clubs were closed. And even the mega clubs had few girls. At 11 pm, Atlantis had 5 girls. It was ripe with tourists as many hotels were sold out. But few girls at the bars. I guess the girls want to be with their family more than make $.

A new hussle was observed: teenage boys come running up on you and block your path and start singing to you hoping to get tips. They need to not be so aggressive. They are going to get knocked out by a defensive tourist. Blocking anyone's path is not wise.

More report coming later.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;1981097]One other small suggestion: go ahead and join ISG. It's only $20, and some guys might be more comfortable talking about this stuff in a Private Message rather than out on the open forum. It's a small investment into a wealth of knowledge from the experiences of many guys who have made thousands of posts here.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response and suggestions. Good idea also with the ISG membership. I just purchased a subscription.

Back to the original post, in my previous visit to AC (last year) one experience with a girl was a very positive one. With others, not so much, though in at least one situation it could be my fault for choosing a girl who was too new in the job. A much worse experience I had in Thailand but there I chalk it up to the language barrier. In any case, I will visit AC soon again and will get back with a report.

[QUOTE=VicVeg;1981226]I just returned from 4 days in AC. NY eve was a let down. Many restaurants and some clubs were closed. And even the mega clubs had few girls. At 11 pm, Atlantis had 5 girls. It was ripe with tourists as many hotels were sold out. But few girls at the bars. I guess the girls want to be with their family more than make $.

A new hussle was observed: teenage boys come running up on you and block your path and start singing to you hoping to get tips. They need to not be so aggressive. They are going to get knocked out by a defensive tourist. Blocking anyone's path is not wise.

More report coming later.[/QUOTE]I was there NYE 2 years ago it there wasn't any big celebrations then. I had notice on FB that a certain bg had posted 50 plus pictures of a NYE party at her house. In some of the pictures were at least 5 other lovely girls with her. I am not sure if they were bg or not but they certainly were slim and cute enough to be. So I messaged her a HNY and she responded the same back.

Then I asked her why she wasn't working and she said it was more important to her to be with family and friends than the money.

I also noticed other Pinay friends posting pictures of their family dinner parties and NYE celebrations. Later in the evening there were fireworks by the families. Apparently NYE is a big family celebration to bring in the new year. I can remember that years ago when I would barely get by each year and would always wonder in December how I even made it through the year that I would go out NYE. Going out NYE was like bringing in a New Year and hoping and hoping that it would bring better luck and money. It would be like a ritual to bring better luck and business.

I could understand if this was the need for the celebrations and for the family to get together.

I have seen before the groups of small and big kids running up with a collection can or plastic soda bottle performing songs or dances. Even more so before Christmas. Mostly pretty harmless.

Hey all,

I'm about to make my second trip to AC. Last time I ended up enjoying the FL experience more than BGs, so I'm thinking about trying out chat apps this time around. I've a few questions in that regard.

1. What are the best chat apps to use in AC?

2. What should I expect to pay? Last time FLs were mostly asking 1.5 k plus a 500 tip.

3. Quality of girls vs BG and HiSo FLs?

4. Any other pro-tips?

Soapy Smith has some great advice. While I have had 1 or 2 episodes of ED with a girl, it is rare and was all in my head (mind). But here's what an older friend of mine does and seems to work well for him. For starters, he always makes friends with the waitresses and mamasan by buying them a drink and making small talk. After befriending them, they generally ask what kind of girl he likes or he will ask who's a nice girl that will be able to take care of him. Then the simple words he uses that I think makes it clear to them and the girl as he jokes with them is he'll say something to the effect that I'm not a young man anymore and I have "no power". Every single waitress / mamason he's told this to clearly understood what this meant and then proceeded to recommend girls. He seemed to usually get a girl recommended that clearly understood they would need to work harder and be patient. Of course this also meant he would tip a little more. Give it a try. Good Luck.

JR.

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;1980793]This is not a specific report but more of a general question based on my personal experience. Kind of an odd question and I tried to see if someone asked something similar before but could not find much. I am probably an unusual type of client for the bar girls. I suffer from ED that is of psychological origin. Otherwise I have a normal (sometimes high) sex drive, can reach orgasm with no problems just can't sustain an erection for intercourse. Usual drugs (Cialis, Viagra etc) don't work very well for me (again due to psychological nature of the problem).

But that's not why I am here. My question is whether people who have similar problems can share tips in how to explain this to the girls in order to avoid misunderstandings and unpleasant situations. In my limited experience (4 "pleasure trips") most girls have a hard time understanding what I am looking for. Basically I am looking for mutual masturbation, lots of cuddling and all other possible ways to enjoy lovemaking without actual penetration..[/QUOTE]

Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.

In your post in the Hyderabad forum, you say you have been to Philippines. Here, you are saying, this is the first in Philippines. Which is which?

Anyway, there are loads of information concerning bars and girls in this forum. You just need to read and remember all the information before visiting the bars.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323] I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.[/QUOTE]Yash,

You a manager from India, me thinks based on your FR history that contain questions one of which is very similar to the one here.

The best way to find girls in AC is to come to AC and to RTFF as so much info here but as a manager you likely are not sure about the search function so PM me for more information on how to RTFF.

In the UAE forum where many managers (mainly from India) pollute the board there is a special thread dedicated to you and your mates so you would be famous also.

Try Walking Street and read the forum. Sheesh. James Bond would be appalled by your lack of intelligence gathering.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

[/QUOTE].

Go bar hopping. It's not rocket science.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.[/QUOTE]Hi Yash and welcome to Philippines. You have come to the right place.

I fear that you may not get much assistance though. When others look at your statement "I am a regular to Bangkok and Pattaya" and then they look at your post count being "4" some people would wonder how many field reports you have submitted from all of those visits? Some people might even look at your post history to try and work out what kind of girls and experiences you are looking for? Do you think that your other three posts are field reports or are the just questions?

But the good news is that I am not like those others, I will give you some assistance:

Philippines population is a little over 100 million people, so that is about 50 million women, many many women who love foreigners.

In Angeles, there are really the best girls. Go to any bar (except the ones that are closed) and ask for the best girl in the house. Barfine her immediately so that no one else can get her.

Go to a new bar each day, get the best girl, barfine her.

At the end of this, write a Field report on each bar and each girl and post it.

Enjoy the Philippines.

BD.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.[/QUOTE]Many posters have said the Koreans are walking away with the best lookers. I suggest you look, act and spend like Koreans. Be sure to report back.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1981308]Hey all,

I'm about to make my second trip to AC. Last time I ended up enjoying the FL experience more than BGs, so I'm thinking about trying out chat apps this time around. I've a few questions in that regard.


[/QUOTE]Sorry I missed your post, I was distracted by Yass007 rudeness. Now to your questions.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1981308]
1. What are the best chat apps to use in AC?
[/QUOTE]Tinder and WeChat are going to be the apps for finding new girls.

You will need Viber and Whatsapp for ongoing communication with them.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1981308]
2. What should I expect to pay? Last time FLs were mostly asking 1.5 k plus a 500 tip.
[/QUOTE]Professional FL will ask 1. 5 k plus transport.

There are so many variables. Remember that they will probably catch a jeepney home for P7.

Regular girls just looking for some money will stay overnight for P1000 plus food and a decent aircon.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1981308]
3. Quality of girls vs BG and HiSo FLs?
[/QUOTE]At the end of the day it is the same talent pool. Last trip I didn't touch a bargirl and was happy with the chat apps which I preferred. There are always a few ladyboy and duds on the chat apps.

Hopefully if you have travelled a bit you know how to move on the non-performers or to get value from them. A lazy starfish might be good at extended blowjobs or if that doesn't work she might just make you happier by doing your washing and folding.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1981308]
4. Any other pro-tips?[/QUOTE]Enjoy. The filipina are different. Treat them like the good hearted and caring women that they are and you will be more than happy.

In Angeles there is someone for everyone.

Also, another Pro-tip, add your travel plans to the Travel Announcements thread.

BD.

Forty five minutes before you posted this.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.[/QUOTE]You posted this.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981310]Hello everyone,

I am new to this site and I am quite shocked to see that there has been this huge site that I missed over all the years. I have been to Bangkok, Pattaya and Philippines and had a nice amazing trips there. I am currently coming to Hyderabad in a week and will be staying there for a month on my personal work. So I looking for some company in my free time. Could anyone share me the contacts of local SPs or ladies and help me.

Thanks in advance. And I will write a detailed report later.[/QUOTE]With a post in between asking for a contact number. Things that make one go hmmmmmm.

[QUOTE=Yash007;1981323]Hello mongers,

I am regular to Bangkok and Pattaya but this is my first time being to Philippines. Much appreciated if anyone can give me some advice and guidance of where I can get best girls in Angeles.

Thanks in advance for the information.[/QUOTE]The best way to find the best girls is to walk into a bar and look around for one you think is the best. If you don't find one to your liking in that bar leave and walk 5 ft to the next bar. IF this bar also don.t

have what your looking for go to another and repeat till you find a girl you like. Its that easy /.

During my 4 days there, I got to know a little of the ex-pats that live in AC. I met one over breakfast at wild orchid, and saw who he was talking to. Then later that night, I saw one of them on fields and offered him some of my pizza. Then a hottie walked by on her way to Night Moves club. He found out where she worked, and we went down there. He helped get me in with her and we were then sitting together and she was rubbing my dick etc. We negotiated a deal, and she said she would stay with me all night. I am thinking 'yeah right' as they all try to leave early.

We went back to my hotel and after the deed, I asked her if she wanted dinner. She said sure and I said we could go to ABC's new Aqua Lounge. I figured free dinner and a ticket to the ABC club would assure she showed up. So I gave her 100 p for the trike so she could go and get her bathing suit for the pool.

So I go to ABC and waited in the lobby as we agree to. And she never showed up!! I went to her club and momma said she wasnt there. Yeah right. So I went back the next night and she was there and she said her babies were crying so she couldn't come. I am thnking 'yeah right' as she told me she lived in the club housing (and thus not with her children).

So the moral of the story: never trust a BG to stay for long time.

ABC club Aqua lounge is awesome. Great pool and people. You got to check it out! The food and drinks are expensive as can be expected at ABC. Even the first floor at ABC is expanded. I hope they have more pool parties. I went to 2 of them, and they were great.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1981559]Sorry I missed your post,
....
BD.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips! Will report on my success or failure.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1981556]Many posters have said the Koreans are walking away with the best lookers. I suggest you look, act and spend like Koreans. Be sure to report back.[/QUOTE]I've got the grunting, pointing, and the yelling down perfectly. Should I add the hitting to make it more convincing?

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;1980793]problems[/QUOTE]Firstly, sorry to read about your problems. Instead of telling her about problems perhaps simply tell her how you like things done when you're bed.

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;1980793]Basically I am looking for mutual masturbation, lots of cuddling and all other possible ways to enjoy lovemaking[/QUOTE]Hey, I like all that too. So I tell them to do so. I tell her to kiss my neck, suck my left nipple (but not the right - why? who knows?), and run her nails along my cock. I tell her how I like my handjobs. One hand up and down and the other in circular motions on my knob. Then I tell her to use two hands. You have to be communicative. Give her the verbal affirmations that you like what's she's doing and she'll continue. Take that as far as you like, then insert and thrust until completion, if you want. I reckon you could build up your endurance. The first time be close to completion before insertion. Then push it back little by little. But, if you're happy with handjobs then tell her to keep going with what you like.

I'm new to this forum. I'm a single 27 yo Cuban from Florida. I have my first trip to the Philippines planned for February.

However, I need your advice on something. Here's my predicament: I met a few girls on Pinalove and Filipino cupid. The 2 that stand out the most is a 24 yo from Manila and an 18 yo virgin from Tanay which is 2 hrs west of Manila. Both of them are really into me and want to be my girlfriend. So I could split the time I'm there which is a week and a half to be with them. But it is my first time in Philippines so should I spend my time in Angeles instead?

Meet them first and see how it goes. You can use AC as your last resort. Just don't BS them and fuck them over, especially not the virgin. If she's been saving that hot stuff for her true love, you shouldn't just pop her and split. Save that accomplishment for a Filipino kid.

[QUOTE=CubanMonger36;1982222]However, I need your advice on something. Here's my predicament: I met a few girls on Pinalove and Filipino cupid. The 2 that stand out the most is a 24 yo from Manila and an 18 yo virgin from Tanay which is 2 hrs west of Manila. Both of them are really into me and want to be my girlfriend.[/QUOTE]My advice is to make sure they are not men.

[QUOTE=CubanMonger36;1982222]So I could split the time I'm there which is a week and a half to be with them. But it is my first time in Philippines so should I spend my time in Angeles instead?[/QUOTE]Don't waste any time during your virgin 10 day trip on girls you've pipelined. Save all that for your later visits.

[QUOTE=CubanMonger36;1982222]I'm new to this forum. I'm a single 27 yo Cuban from Florida. I have my first trip to the Philippines planned for February.

However, I need your advice on something. Here's my predicament: I met a few girls on Pinalove and Filipino cupid. The 2 that stand out the most is a 24 yo from Manila and an 18 yo virgin from Tanay which is 2 hrs west of Manila. Both of them are really into me and want to be my girlfriend. So I could split the time I'm there which is a week and a half to be with them. But it is my first time in Philippines so should I spend my time in Angeles instead?[/QUOTE]You are 27 yo, go for it before you pnp.

Next, I don't think there is any place one minute west of Manila. Tanya is 2 hours East of Manila.

Please give us a honest report on your visit.

[QUOTE=CubanMonger36;1982222]I'm new to this forum. I'm a single 27 yo Cuban from Florida. I have my first trip to the Philippines planned for February.

However, I need your advice on something. Here's my predicament: I met a few girls on Pinalove and Filipino cupid. The 2 that stand out the most is a 24 yo from Manila and an 18 yo virgin from Tanay which is 2 hrs west of Manila. Both of them are really into me and want to be my girlfriend. So I could split the time I'm there which is a week and a half to be with them. But it is my first time in Philippines so should I spend my time in Angeles instead?[/QUOTE]You have not paid membership, so you will miss out on some important info that guys might prefer to deliver to you privately.

For sure, give Angeles priority. Other girls have your email address, and thus in effect ID. Not a good start for a newbie. Satisfy the flesh first, is my advice.

[QUOTE=CubanMonger36;1982222]I'm new to this forum. I'm a single 27 yo Cuban from Florida. I have my first trip to the Philippines planned for February.

However, I need your advice on something. Here's my predicament: I met a few girls on Pinalove and Filipino cupid. The 2 that stand out the most is a 24 yo from Manila and an 18 yo virgin from Tanay which is 2 hrs west of Manila. Both of them are really into me and want to be my girlfriend. So I could split the time I'm there which is a week and a half to be with them. But it is my first time in Philippines so should I spend my time in Angeles instead?[/QUOTE]As others have stated, once you get on the ground it is a whole different story.

The part that you cannot yet comprehend is that Western women have trained you to think is that pussy is golden and limited supply. When you get to Philippines you will find it is western dick and western money that is in short supply. And if you are 27 year old, then there is even less 27 year old western dick.

You will be kept busy in AC but may become bored, plan a sidetrip to Subic for some rest and different pussy.

No need to be spending the "two hours" of transit time which will take you 4-6 hours as you need connections and trikes, etc. Plus the return. It is the girls that will come to you. The ones you have identified are also "right into " me at 55 years old, plus all of the other punters on here. If they are into you they will find a way to come to see you.

Enjoy the trip.

And pack lots of condoms and have vaccinations.

BD.

[QUOTE=CubanMonger36;1982222]I'm new to this forum. I'm a single 27 yo Cuban from Florida. I have my first trip to the Philippines planned for February.

. . <SNIP>. But it is my first time in Philippines so should I spend my time in Angeles instead?[/QUOTE]Lots of good advice here and most of it says "spend your first visit in AC".

That's my advice too. Just go to AC and get to know and understand the filipina mindset. Next visit you can venture further afield.

My guess is that after a few days of your week and a half you will have forgotten all about the 2 women on your meet list.

If they are on pinalove and FC and moderately attractive, you can bet that they have communicated with and probably already met lots of guys so they have wet themselves over meeting a new, fresh Cuban from whom they can extract maximum rewards.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1982421]My guess is that after a few days of your week and a half you will have forgotten all about the 2 women on your meet list.[/QUOTE]He means this literally. Too many times have I gotten back home and realized there were some chicks that I was supposed to meet up with.

Back in August, Brown Sugar was closed and looked like it was on the verge of being gutted.

Back in town as of Jan2017. Walking past before opening hours it most certainly seemed to be in business again. The outside paintwork is new and not very well done. I was worried that the inside might also prove disappointing.

That evening I headed toward BS. I could see up ahead a large groups of youngish Koreans enter. My entrance was momentarily thwarted as said Koreans exited. When I got inside I got a hint as to why. Half the customers were members of the local Outlaw Motorbike Club. And there was a live band (Hi Fi) playing mostly old rock tunes, and doing so quite well, BTW.

I couldn't make out any real changes to the interior. So, it seems Brown Sugar is still with us. X Ma.

I am very thankful for all the advice from you fellow mongers. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. I think I'll follow that advice and leave the virgin alone. I'll still see the 24 yo in Manila for a bit. I'll wet my feet in Angeles to get used to pinay mindset. I will provide a full report and hopefully have good vids to share. And I'll get a paid membership tomorrow so any of you can PM me. I'll send a post to let you know when I'm a paid member. Thank you again.

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[QUOTE=XMan;1982558]Half the customers were members of the local Outlaw Motorbike Club. And there was a live band (Hi Fi) playing mostly old rock tunes, and doing so quite well, BTW.
.[/QUOTE]I do know that members of an AC motorbike club do frequent Brown Sugar. The members that I know and work with are far from Outlaws.

Cheers.

Outlaw was the name written on the back of their leather. I assumed that was the name of the group.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1982755]I do know that members of an AC motorbike club do frequent Brown Sugar. The members that I know and work with are far from Outlaws.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1982787]Outlaw was the name written on the back of their leather. I assumed that was the name of the group.[/QUOTE]The owner of Brown Sugar is a member of the Outlaw Motorcycle Club (Gang).

The patches on their jackets will tell you what type of member they are (e.g. member, prospect, 1%er, etc).

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1982755]I do know that members of an AC motorbike club do frequent Brown Sugar. The members that I know and work with are far from Outlaws.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]The Outlaws own Brown Sugar. Last month there was a street rumble between Outlaws and Hell's Angeles. The Outlaws are established in Angeles and the Hell's Angels mainly in Manila.

From what I read, one of the Outlaws (president) got severely beaten by a Hell's Angels member.

[QUOTE=Robbaf;1982831]The Outlaws own Brown Sugar. Last month there was a street rumble between Outlaws and Hell's Angeles. The Outlaws are established in Angeles and the Hell's Angels mainly in Manila.

From what I read, one of the Outlaws (president) got severely beaten by a Hell's Angels member.[/QUOTE]Oh, first the Bar Raids, now the Bikie fights.

This will attract the police and they might use bikes as an excuse to raid bars all over again.

Didn't know Outlaws own Brown Sugar. Last time I was in there, told waitress "Hey this place is supposed to play rock and roll, that ain't rock and roll". Come on. Duturte, sort it out.

Its me again, just wanted to let you guys know that I'm a paid member now so feel free to PM me. CM36 out.

Few thoughts on recent phills visit.

Few days leading up to Christmas, Angeles was emptying rapidly, most of the better looking girls that I know had already left Angeles for their home province to spend the festivities with family / friends / siblings, most were not due back until after the 1st week of Jan.

Christmas eve afternoon perimeter road, very few girls in most bars and what were there had taken it upon themselves to decorate Christmas money boxes and continually beg punters to contribute, it got a bit much after the 10th Happy Christmas sir, please give generously.

Christmas eve evening, Had booked an upstairs booth at Atlantis bar thinking that it would be packed and headed there with friends only to find that there were plenty of empty seats, girl numbers were severely low, on my visit a few weeks earlier Atlantis had 80-90 dancers tonight maybe 20-25 at a push, most were busy on stage trying to put together a dance routine, very few guys siting with girls.

Couple of our group decide to go see if other bars were more lively but soon returned with reports of very low numbers of girls in nearby bars and what was there was very low quality.

Stayed in Atlantis till about 11 pm, enjoyed the night because of good company but if one was out to barfine then the pickings would have been very slim.

New years eve, As the town was so short of girls I Had arranged for my favorite Manila girl to fly in and spend new years eve and a few days with me in Angeles / Subic, Abc hotel owners had been kind enough to invite me to their new years ball and that's where we headed, the new pool, cabanas and new wing all seem top notch but some of the prices for rooms, food, drinks are lets say on the hopeful side, not sure if they will become popular due to cost, from what I heard bargirls will not be available there (maybe bring your own), from the Abc rooftop I could see the road downstairs the town looked quiet except for the drunk pinoys who thought it was funny to throw fireworks at any foreigner who did happen to pass on foot.

On talking to other friends that had been out to the bars on new years eve most reports were of very few girls, very few punters with some bars closing before the strike of midnight.

Subic (Barrio barretto), Just the one day and night here to visit friends for anyone who thinks that the bars in this area are cheaper than Angeles then think again, the very few bars that I visited did not have a barfine system one negotiates and pays the girl direct, we only saw one girl that was just OK, she was working at the office bar, my good friend bought her a lady drink, 300 pesos, yes did, s have arrived in Barretto, on asking her if she would leave with him and how much she wanted, she replied 4000 pesos st, she finally dropped to 3000 pesos and would not budge from there (probably worth 1,500 pesos LT) we both laughed at her high opinion of herself, paid the drinks bill and left her to her high hopes of finding an idiot.

In all fairness I did not visit all bars in Baretto and I am sure one could find bars that do not have Dld, s or crazy girl prices, in saying that though I will not be rushing back to Barretto any time soon.

Hello Gents, Not much detail a high look at good couple days in AC.

January 3 – 7. Not much to tell that has not previously been mentioned. There were plenty of women in AC even with the holiday January 9th and with many girls that have not return from home holiday. My last trip was in July 2016. There are a lot more hotels being built one in front of Central Park and another corner of Raymond and Fields. There is a traffic light just past Margrette Station and on at the entrance to Clark as you cross heading to SM Mall. High Society was pack every night something for everyone. Pull two that wanted to start at 3 K one down to 2500 other at 2 k. The slimmer girls tend to want to stay and dance than have a few drinks before heading to hotel for a 30 min session. Fields was pretty empty by midnight. I did not get down to Premiter Road. Santos St is history. The two small locations had no women. Raymond not much better. In the larger clubs, the mamasons were aggressive trying to have customers buy drinks and do early work release. I did not have any bad session most were average and short time now is the norm. Two of the women did not mention they had their men's this was a mess and resulted in short session. An average trip for what AC is now. Hear say, I did not experience but was told police came into a club (not sure which) and did a search of customers for drugs.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1984330]High Society was pack every night something for everyone. Pull two that wanted to start at 3 K one down to 2500 other at 2 k. The slimmer girls tend to want to stay and dance than have a few drinks before heading to hotel for a 30 min session.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that you had 2 STs for 2K and 2500?

[QUOTE=Lanthano;1969152]Hello all,

As promised in some previous posts, here is my guide and report on the one and only Angeles city. As I have done for Pattaya and Phnom Penh, I have tried to give some guidance to another traveller following the same route. I believe this will be useful to the traveller going there, and equally feel confident that those experienced and living in Angeles will indulge me and agree with a decent portion of what I will have written.

Inevitably, my recent trip to Pattaya will induce some comparisons I feel suitable to make. And may give some hints as to what sets both places apart. Whilst Pattaya may be considered Sex City, Angeles is very much Sex "Town", smaller in size while feeling much more homely and easy to get to know (not to mention, more difficult to get lost in late at night).

To get the obvious point out of the way: Yes, Angeles is still worth visiting and is amazing in my opinion. [/QUOTE]I am glad I came across this report. I am about to embark on a 73 day trip to Asia and, based on my last disappointing experience with the place (three years back when, over the course of a month, I hit Manila, Subic Bay, Angeles, Bohol, Boracay and Palawan), I had written the Philippines out of the script. Now I am reconsidering.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1984330] There is a traffic light just past Margrette Station and on at the entrance to Clark as you cross heading to SM Mall. [/QUOTE]Only in the Philippines would they install two traffic lights, 150 yards apart and not connect the roads. And to top it off, you can no longer turn left at station 4 to go to SM. You have to turn right, go down to the traffic circle and come back.

[QUOTE=Robbaf;1984380]Only in the Philippines would they install two traffic lights, 150 yards apart and not connect the roads. And to top it off, you can no longer turn left at station 4 to go to SM. You have to turn right, go down to the traffic circle and come back.[/QUOTE]Yep. And I had trike drivers want P50 more for going down to the circle and turning around to SM mall. LOL.

Thanks Napa Slapper for your report. It covers an area, not often talked about, viz, availability of action etc Christmas New Year period.

Your report confirmed my opinion, that is, Christmas New Year in the Phils is a period best avoided.

Girls prefer their family or close friends to us Mongers, LOL.

OhOh. The beginning of the end? The last thing BB needs. Aside from the ocean and relative quiet the only attraction of BB was it's cheaper prices. Now the dreaded DLD has arrived and the girls are asking 4 K? WTF? OK NS has a penchant for making everything sound bad or worse but if this has begun how long before it is fucked as well as AC?

Anyone there now or been in the last couple of weeks who can share some info on how widespread this is or was it just a NYE aberration? I am planning a trip there in April. I hope it's not all gone to hell by then.

Southeaster.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1984330] There are a lot more hotels being built one in front of Central Park and another corner of Raymond and Fields.[/QUOTE]The one in front of Central Park is actually the second tower of said hotel that's being built.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1984330] Santos St is history. The two small locations had no women. Raymond not much better.[/QUOTE]Santos St history? When I was there about 2 weeks ago the ST bar at the corner of Santos and Vian still had girls. The other bar further down the street looked indeed dead as far as I can recall (I didn't pay much attention to it as I'm not really interested in these bars).

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1984405]Your report confirmed my opinion, that is, Christmas New Year in the Phils is a period best avoided.[/QUOTE]Christmas and Easter in the PI, Ramadan in Indonesia, Songkran in Thailand -- I've learned the hard way to avoid them all.

And the other one on Raymond / Fields is ABC. It may look good in the end, but I have a picture of some very sloppy concrete work between those cinder blocks.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1984512]The one in front of Central Park is actually the second tower of said hotel that's being built.

Santos St history? When I was there about 2 weeks ago the ST bar at the corner of Santos and Vian still had girls. The other bar further down the street looked indeed dead as far as I can recall (I didn't pay much attention to it as I'm not really interested in these bars).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1985218]And the other one on Raymond / Fields is ABC. It may look good in the end, but I have a picture of some very sloppy concrete work between those cinder blocks.[/QUOTE]ABC is not at Raymond and Fields. What hotel are you referring to? Penthouse?

It's my understanding that the new construction between Phillies and Atlantis is an ABC venture. Penthouse is on Santos, not Raymond. BTW, very good online AC maps at Wayne's AC map.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1985385]ABC is not at Raymond and Fields. What hotel are you referring to? Penthouse?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1985471]It's my understanding that the new construction between Phillies and Atlantis is an ABC venture. Penthouse is on Santos, not Raymond. BTW, very good online AC maps at Wayne's AC map.[/QUOTE]Yes, Penthouse is on Santos, extending over to Gloria St on the other side, with another entrance there. Generally located between Swiss Chalet and Valentino's (where the street name changes at the curve). There used to be a friendly little bar / restaurant, where American bikers (Rolling Thunder?) used to hang out, a few doors down from Swiss Chalet. The American biker bar (whose name escapes me at the moment), along with some other small buildings, was leveled for the Penthouse construction site.

Am not aware of any hotel at Raymond / Fields. Orchid Inn's front entrance is at Raymond and Real St (facing Body Shop and Agasya) kitty corner from Las Vegas, where I used to hang out quite a bit when in town.

Used to drive past Valentino's, along the back area of Orchid Inn. Just past the curve in the small street there (just past the Santo Nino Chapel), which becomes the south part of Raymond St, I used to slow down and enjoy the catcalls and lascivious looks and suggestive tongue rolling of the young (and some not so young) ladies sitting at tables outside of the establishments on Raymond. Some of the girls were quite pretty.

Cheers!

OM.

[QUOTE=XMan;1985471]It's my understanding that the new construction between Phillies and Atlantis is an ABC venture. Penthouse is on Santos, not Raymond. BTW, very good online AC maps at Wayne's AC map.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is owned by the ABC owner. It is to have a nightclub to rival Hi So. Will open in March or April.

I started talking to a guy at breakfast and come to find out he is a partial owner of many clubs in AC. I gave him some advice:

1) use his power to get some flights from Tapei and Hong Kong and Seoule etc cheap enough so guys will fly into Clark instead of Manila. They will then spend more time, if not all their time, in AC.

2) find something for guys to do during the day. BJ bars were good for a quckie BJ during the day. But they are mostly gone. And most don't do in-house BJ's so it is not possible to just stop in for a blow. I tried to get a massage during the day at one of the Fields ave massage shops and won't do that again. One girl tried to rip me off, and at another shop they showed me to a room, and made me wait in there for 10 minutes, so I just left. People say Perimeter Road bars are good during the day, but I walked down there on a Saturday at 3 pm or so and it was a graveyard.

[QUOTE=XMan;1985471]It's my understanding that the new construction between Phillies and Atlantis is an ABC venture. Penthouse is on Santos, not Raymond. BTW, very good online AC maps at Wayne's AC map.[/QUOTE]The new building going up at the entrance to Walking Street across from Phillies was rumored to be the new Starbucks. For a while it was known as the Starbucks building.

I can remember that they dug at least a 20 foot hole in the ground for it.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1985648]The new building going up at the entrance to Walking Street across from Phillies was rumored to be the new Starbucks. For a while it was known as the Starbucks building.

I can remember that they dug at least a 20 foot hole in the ground for it.[/QUOTE]It's being built by the owner of ABC and I think he told me that Phillies will move into it. He will operate a night club in the building and according to him, the club will be oriented toward an "older" male clientele as he doesn't like the noise and music associated with High Society. I'm not sure--and didn't ask--if he has tenants yet for all of the space.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1985754]It's being built by the owner of ABC and I think he told me that Phillies will move into it. He will operate a night club in the building and according to him, the club will be oriented toward an "older" male clientele as he doesn't like the noise and music associated with High Society.[/QUOTE]Hope he is prepared to have older females taking care of his older male clientele. Young women like the music associated with High Society. We all know that where ever you can lure the women, that is where the males will go.

Morsel: Initially an AC bargirl who was cam nervous. On subsequent trips she became not only a camslut but a cheat-the-bar girl. She would start txting about 11 pm, saying no date tonight, then come by the hotel when her shift was over at midnight, and spend the night. Every guy should have it so tough. The AC thread needs a pic.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1985754]It's being built by the owner of ABC and I think he told me that Phillies will move into it. He will operate a night club in the building and according to him, the club will be oriented toward an "older" male clientele as he doesn't like the noise and music associated with High Society. I'm not sure--and didn't ask--if he has tenants yet for all of the space.

GE.[/QUOTE]Hi guys, on a similar topic, does anyone know about the new complex being built across from Tropix bar and near Central Park Tower Hotel? Apparently they are hiring lots of girls and will be some kind of venue to meet ladies. Can anyone please comment about what is being built there?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1985771]Hope he is prepared to have older females taking care of his older male clientele. Young women like the music associated with High Society. We all know that where ever you can lure the women, that is where the males will go.[/QUOTE]Money talks bullshit walks. They are there for the mizumas not for music.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1987333]Money talks bullshit walks. They are there for the mizumas not for music.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I predict that the place will be full of young women in search of a payday. The ladies don't go for the music or the ambience.

GE.

Any AC girl that is remotely attractive is in extremely high demand, these girls absolutely choose where they go, what music they want to hear, what time they go, with what punter they go if at all.

Walk into any freelancer club and the pretty girls can be counted on a few fingers, yet the pussy hungry guys are many times more all chasing those few girls.

Pretty / slim girls can command a pay day anytime they choose, morning, afternoon, evening or night and have many vehicles which enable them to command that pay day outside of bars and clubs.

Long gone are the days of AC when guys made the rules IMHO.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1987494]Exactly. I predict that the place will be full of young women in search of a payday. The ladies don't go for the music or the ambience.

GE.[/QUOTE]I have never been to High Society as the loud music and smoke do not appeal to me along with the late hours. Girls I know have gone there with 5-6 of their friends to have a party or celebration. I would think FL are probably 2-3 girls together and would give you the look if they are working.

FYI. HS has a Facebook page and I have seen hundreds of pictures of customers posted.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1987644] .......................... High Society ............... loud music and smoke .........................

FYI. HS has a Facebook page and I have seen hundreds of pictures of customers posted.[/QUOTE]Thats OK, we go there for the music!

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1987572]Any AC girl that is remotely attractive is in extremely high demand, these girls absolutely choose where they go, what music they want to hear, what time they go, with what punter they go if at all.

Walk into any freelancer club and the pretty girls can be counted on a few fingers, yet the pussy hungry guys are many times more all chasing those few girls.

Pretty / slim girls can command a pay day anytime they choose, morning, afternoon, evening or night and have many vehicles which enable them to command that pay day outside of bars and clubs.

Long gone are the days of AC when guys made the rules IMHO.[/QUOTE]I've seen lots of posts like this, and I assume that most of them are based on experience. However, I wonder what I must be doing right as the "selectiveness" of AC hotties doesn't jibe with my forays into the fleshpots of AC. I'm well into my 7th decade, was never particularly handsome even when younger, and yet seem to encounter few problems, whether with FLs or the ladies in the Walking Street bars. While I grant that beauty is purely in the eye of the beholder, I prefer slim, childless "spinner"-type girls, and seem to have few problems meeting and leaving with my share. Given that I have a mirror in my room, and don't delude myself into thinking I'm 20 years younger, 10 kilos lighter, or more handsome, I do wonder about posts such as these. Typically, I travel to AC with a buddy who is in the same situation as I am, and he too, has few if any problems leaving with his first choice; the same is true for the owner of ABC, who is 60+ and has retinues of young ladies following him around wherever he goes.

Again, I'm not trying to be contentious, but for me, and for my friends, AC continues to be a buyers' market, and I've seen no reason to alter that perception in all of the time I've spent there.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1987817]I've seen lots of posts like this, and I assume that most of them are based on experience. However, I wonder what I must be doing right as the "selectiveness" of AC hotties doesn't jibe with my forays into the fleshpots of AC. I'm well into my 7th decade, was never particularly handsome even when younger, and yet seem to encounter few problems, whether with FLs or the ladies in the Walking Street bars. While I grant that beauty is purely in the eye of the beholder, I prefer slim, childless "spinner"-type girls, and seem to have few problems meeting and leaving with my share. Given that I have a mirror in my room, and don't delude myself into thinking I'm 20 years younger, 10 kilos lighter, or more handsome, I do wonder about posts such as these. Typically, I travel to AC with a buddy who is in the same situation as I am, and he too, has few if any problems leaving with his first choice; the same is true for the owner of ABC, who is 60+ and has retinues of young ladies following him around wherever he goes.

Again, I'm not trying to be contentious, but for me, and for my friends, AC continues to be a buyers' market, and I've seen no reason to alter that perception in all of the time I've spent there.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE's comments resonate.

Having myself first landed in Clark in 1970, and having lived and traveled around Asia off and on for five decades, have never suffered for lack of female companionship. Am not blessed with irresistible pheromones, am not young any more, am "a bit" overweight and not particularly handsome or studly. No problem.

At the beginning, we tend just to be thrilled with the Filipinas who are attracted by our "Peso-nality". Sooner or later, however, we become aware that there are plenty of willing women all around us, everywhere. Malls, restaurants, coffee shops, stores, offices, banks, universities, churches, airports, buses, boats, and even just walking along the street. When we become one with this awareness, we are in the zone.

Many Filipinas are very perceptive and responsive to the aura or attitude of men who are in the zone. When you are in the zone, you don't have to chase women any more. Just enjoy life with full confidence and a relaxed sense of humor, with no stress and no rush. Women will sense your attitude, and will be drawn to you.

During recent years in Angeles (Balibago), maintained a non-exclusive "stable on call" of around twenty pleasant and pleasing non-professional girls, with ages ranging from 18 to 23, for my own personal enjoyment. Many of them were in the same barkada, and, after initial indoctrination and training, they would push to have at least three of them with me at any given time. Sometimes, five or more at a time. Group dynamics tend to evolve with increasing numbers.

Have also set up similar "private mini-stables" (with fewer numbers) in pre-Yolanda Tacloban, and in Butuan City. Believe I could replicate this experience in virtually any city in the Philippines.

Ironically, a little over a year ago, was hit by a coup de foudre in Cebu City, and quite unexpectedly found "the one. " Have been in a monogamous relationship with her ever since. Amazingly, to me, she is in her early 40's, in very good physical shape, and very intuitive and intelligent. Not at all what I would have expected.

May the Force be with you!

OM.

P.S. GE's preferred type is the preferred type of many of us.

P. P.S. YMMV.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1987817]I've seen lots of posts like this, and I assume that most of them are based on experience. However, I wonder what I must be doing right as the "selectiveness" of AC hotties doesn't jibe with my forays into the fleshpots of AC. I'm well into my 7th decade, was never particularly handsome even when younger, and yet seem to encounter few problems, whether with FLs or the ladies in the Walking Street bars. While I grant that beauty is purely in the eye of the beholder, I prefer slim, childless "spinner"-type girls, and seem to have few problems meeting and leaving with my share. Given that I have a mirror in my room, and don't delude myself into thinking I'm 20 years younger, 10 kilos lighter, or more handsome, I do wonder about posts such as these.
GE.[/QUOTE]Maybe your eyes are not as good as they used to be, now that you're in your sixties?
(only joking GE!)

I think I saw GE standing on the second deck of Atlantis and throwing 500 p notes down to the dancers below. THat may explain his popularity. X.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1987817] SNIP, AC continues to be a buyers' market, and I've seen no reason to alter that perception in all of the time I've spent there.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1988142]I think I saw GE standing on the second deck of Atlantis and throwing 500 p notes down to the dancers below. THat may explain his popularity. X.[/QUOTE]Maybe his respectful pleasing personality is good enough along with a decent amount of pesos.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1988147]Maybe his respectful pleasing personality is good enough along with a decent amount of pesos.[/QUOTE]I think you guys have me confused with my Korean doppelgänger.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1988160]I think you guys have me confused with my Korean doppelgnger.

GE.[/QUOTE]I didn't mean anything negative to you. Please clear your inbox.

[QUOTE=XMan;1988142]I think I saw GE standing on the second deck of Atlantis and throwing 500 p notes down to the dancers below. THat may explain his popularity. X.[/QUOTE]Think that any guys in their 70's would need to throw a lot more than a few 500 p notes to gain the slightest of attention of most Atlantis girls (princesses).

It remains true in many bars that many ac top girls just do not need to fuck for a living, that is just fact, which ever way one tries to spin it.

Sorry to be the barer of bad news to our resident self proclaimed Casanovas LOL.

[QUOTE=Omega3;1987881]Many Filipinas are very perceptive and responsive to the aura or attitude of men who are in the zone. When you are in the zone, you don't have to chase women any more. Just enjoy life with full confidence and a relaxed sense of humor, with no stress and no rush. Women will sense your attitude, and will be drawn to you.[/QUOTE]Too funny. Women are the same the world over. Yet, only Philippines are perceptive and responsively drawn to your aura. You're talking about a country where the people are impoverished, as if that has nothing to do with anything.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1988163]I didn't mean anything negative to you. Please clear your inbox.[/QUOTE]Nor did I take it as such. No worries. Inbox has been cleared a bit. Sorry for that.

GE.

Rumor has it that someone has opened a bar called "Grab the Pussy".

Does anyone have info on it?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1987817]Again, I'm not trying to be contentious, but for me, and for my friends, AC continues to be a buyers' market, and I've seen no reason to alter that perception in all of the time I've spent there.[/QUOTE]Agree absolutely, but I think I can explain the apparent difference of opinion here.

The really hot young girls -- the freelance types who don't even show up at High Society until midnight, because they know they can find someone to meet their standards within 30 minutes of arriving -- are not interested in older guys. They want, and can get, men who are both young and well heeled. OK, maybe they'll go for guys up to age 40 or so, but make no mistake: there is an age cutoff. I've talked to some of these super hotties and they're totally up front about it. They want both money but also a guy who they find attractive. They can get it, so they do.

To me, this is a non-issue. I passed their sell-by date some years ago, but I've never been much interested in their type. Give me a nice youngish woman with a pleasant personality and a decent firm body and I'm happy. In fact I'm happier with her than I would be with some drop-dead eye-candy babe. That's the beauty of AC, even now. Everyone, eventually, can pretty much find what they're looking for.

[QUOTE=Betong;1989152]The really hot young girls ......... are not interested in older guys...[/QUOTE]Common sense, and correct. Attractive girls have choice. Loss of face if they exit with someone 2/3/4 times their age. Older guys of necessity take the left overs. I know, I was young once and am now old, LOL.

[QUOTE=Betong;1989152]The really hot young girls -- the freelance types who don't even show up at High Society until midnight, because they know they can find someone to meet their standards within 30 minutes of arriving -- are not interested in older guys.[/QUOTE]Is High Society even open before midnight? If it is, I don't think anyone shows up before that.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1988866]Rumor has it that someone has opened a bar called "Grab the Pussy".

Does anyone have info on it? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, its the nightclub in the new Trump Tower.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1988866]Rumor has it that someone has opened a bar called "Grab the Pussy".

Does anyone have info on it?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It is probably one of the new bars on Fields, most likely Korean owned and featuring DLDs. The purchase of double lady drinks is likely to be a prerequisite to patrons grabbing anything.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1989173]Yes, its the nightclub in the new Trump Tower.[/QUOTE]Seen WC was customer of the month! I will be there soon!

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1989159]Common sense, and correct. Attractive girls have choice. Loss of face if they exit with someone 2/3/4 times their age. Older guys of necessity take the left overs. I know, I was young once and am now old, LOL.[/QUOTE]Yep. Why would they go with an older guy when they can have a younger guy. Also most pinays are really looking for a long term relationship while they are doing this to feed themselves and their family.

Many times I have been turned down for BF by some young hotties at the bar. And later on a few have come over to see me based on a referral from a bg I knew. Always nice to have someone pave the way for me.

[QUOTE=Betong;1989152]Agree absolutely, but I think I can explain the apparent difference of opinion here.

The really hot young girls -- the freelance types who don't even show up at High Society until midnight, because they know they can find someone to meet their standards within 30 minutes of arriving -- are not interested in older guys.

To me, this is a non-issue. I passed their sell-by date some years ago, but I've never been much interested in their type. Give me a nice youngish woman with a pleasant personality and a decent firm body and I'm happy. In fact I'm happier with her than I would be with some drop-dead eye-candy babe. That's the beauty of AC, even now. Everyone, eventually, can pretty much find what they're looking for.[/QUOTE]Agreed. An old friend of mine once shared his secret for winning at poker. "It's simple," he said, "Just find a game where the other players are not as good as you are".

By extension of this mindset to the playing field of sex, there are plenty of games in Angeles (and elsewhere) and plenty of opportunities for all to win.

OM.

[QUOTE=Omega3;1989373]Agreed. An old friend of mine once shared his secret for winning at poker. "It's simple," he said, "Just find a game where the other players are not as good as you are".

By extension of this mindset to the playing field of sex, there are plenty of games in Angeles (and elsewhere) and plenty of opportunities for all to win.

OM.[/QUOTE]The Game in PI is like two rams over looking a flock of ewes.

The young ram says "I'm going to run down and fuck the prettiest ewe".

The old ram replies "I'm walking down and fucking them all. "

Just as a point of interest for those of you who may be there now. I'm told by a close friend staying at ABC, that the new club on top of the new tower is now packed with FLs starting at about midnight. Of course, this was during a weekend and it may not hold true to all nights, but his perception is that the new club (Aqua something) is now the place to be.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1989394] is that the new club (Aqua something) is now the place to be GE.[/QUOTE]Any face control here? Or is it thoroughly full of the international mooks that pollute High Society.

Another tidbit. When I was in AC back in September, I was chillin in High Society. There was a really fat Filipino guy there that everyone seemed to know and love. They said he was the owner of High Society, Penthouse Hotel, and Lewis Grand.

"I'm told by a close friend staying at ABC, that the new club on top of the new tower is now packed with FLs starting at about midnight." Sounds great. Another late night alternative for those with plenty of cash to throw around. When will we see a venue for those of us who don't burn the midnight oil and are not 1 week millionaires? I'm guessing never.

Southeaster.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1989456]Another tidbit. When I was in AC back in September, I was chillin in High Society. There was a really fat Filipino guy there that everyone seemed to know and love. They said he was the owner of High Society, Penthouse Hotel, and Lewis Grand.[/QUOTE]Don't mention Lewis Yakich. It might be detrimental to your health.

The only new bar / club / cabbana area that the Abc hotel has is the Aqua Beach Club.

As of my very recent report where I spent new years eve here it is definitely not geared or operated towards a freelancer club at all.

Yes last weekend was indeed busy there because they had guest DJ, S (DJ denial and DJ herb man) invites had gone out to well healed business owners, friends. Family.

A group of girls in my management team had been given tickets and attended with their respective husbands / boyfriends (pinoy) I too popped my head in for a while.

What I can tell you is that I saw zero working girls, most guests were sitting in their own groups drinking bottles of vodka with mixers.

I can only think that your contact who told you the club is full of freelancers thought so because he saw pinays and as usual all pinays in some guys mind must be prostitutes.

Now that we got that out of the way, here is some news that if true will throw a very big spanner in the Angeles city mongering world.

It has come to my attention from very reliable sources that over the last several days Angeles city police have been targeting foreigners for frisks while they are enjoying a beer in the ac bars, the police are using the excuse of looking for drugs, it has also been reported that not satisfied with that the police have been taking photos of said foreigners in the bar.

Champagne bar was mentioned as well as other bars by several people, also a quick online search revealed Angeles city sites / bloggers reporting the same. Worrying times if true IMHO.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1989534]The only new bar / club / cabbana area that the Abc hotel has is the Aqua Beach Club.

As of my very recent report where I spent new years eve here it is definitely not geared or operated towards a freelancer club at all.

Yes last weekend was indeed busy there because they had guest DJ, S (DJ denial and DJ herb man) invites had gone out to well healed business owners, friends. Family.

A group of girls in my management team had been given tickets and attended with their respective husbands / boyfriends (pinoy) I too popped my head in for a while.

What I can tell you is that I saw zero working girls, most guests were sitting in their own groups drinking bottles of vodka with mixers.

I can only think that your contact who told you the club is full of freelancers thought so because he saw pinays and as usual all pinays in some guys mind must be prostitutes.

Now that we got that out of the way, here is some news that if true will throw a very big spanner in the Angeles city mongering world.
[/QUOTE]The friend who told me this is a long-time visitor to Angeles, and spends months every year here. He had no problem at all picking up a young lady at that venue, and I'm very sure he can distinguish between those who are on the game and those who are not. Of course, I wasn't there and so can't base my conclusion on anything other than what he told me, but I do take his word for it. He said that the FLs were thronging the place both Friday and Saturday nights last week.

GE.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1989534] ....................... here is some news that if true will throw a very big spanner in the Angeles city mongering world.

It has come to my attention from very reliable sources that over the last several days Angeles city police have been targeting foreigners for frisks while they are enjoying a beer in the ac bars, the police are using the excuse of looking for drugs, it has also been reported that not satisfied with that the police have been taking photos of said foreigners in the bar.

Champagne bar was mentioned as well as other bars by several people, also a quick online search revealed Angeles city sites / bloggers reporting the same. Worrying times if true IMHO.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that very important info. I don't enter Angeles bars to talk to and have pic taken by pinoys. If I see pinoys entering (rare if ever happens) I will pay my chit and exit immediately.

Thanks for info, important.

[QUOTE=ShiningWit;1989512]Don't mention Lewis Yakich. It might be detrimental to your health.[/QUOTE]Used to see Lewis and his brothers when staying frequently at the Lewis Grand years ago. Lewis was a bit short and slender, and seemed very pleasant and modest. Think his dad used to hang out at the V.

Always wondered how he got the capital to construct and operate what was at the time the grandest hotel in Angeles (Balibago).

Have fond memories of hedonistic pool parties there, with nubile young lasses frolicking about, and hedonistic private parties in my room, ditto.

Has anyone ever learned whatever happened to Lewis, or is his disappearance still an unsolved mystery?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1989743]Thanks for that very important info. I don't enter Angeles bars to talk to and have pic taken by pinoys. If I see pinoys entering (rare if ever happens) I will pay my chit and exit immediately.

Thanks for info, important.[/QUOTE]Most worrying part of this is what are the Photographs being used for.

I and many bar visitor will certainly not like to be photographed and possibly profiled, maybe at worst to build a mongering database ready to hand over to government officials or a Anti H T organization.

Time will tell what exactly the police are up too and what their aim is.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1989787]Most worrying part of this is what are the Photographs being used for.

I and many bar visitor will certainly not like to be photographed and possibly profiled, maybe at worst to build a mongering database ready to hand over to government officials or a Anti H T organization.

Time will tell what exactly the police are up too and what their aim is.[/QUOTE]If the police are building a mongering database from random photographs of mongers in AC bars, they would need to make mongers present their passports at the time the photo is taken otherwise it is pointless exercise. A database with a bunch of photos of unidentified mongers sitting at a bar will not be of much use to anyone without adding who, what, where, when, and why. Without this additional information the database will not be very searchable.

Patronizing bars is not a crime in AC, so simply placing a guy at a bar does not make him a criminal. If entering a bar becomes a crime that would mean the existence of the bar is itself illegal. All the bars would go away and so would the mongers, no need for elaborate cloak and dagger operations to photograph random mongers and catalogue them in a database with facial recognition software and data mining tools.

December 31: (Day 7: Saturday).

The ride from subic was pretty short and I reached hotel by 1 am. I was booked at Lewis Grand Hotel for 5 nights. The front desk girl refused to provide me early check in and I didn't want to plead with her either. I waited in the bar and had 2 SML from the welcome drink coupons provided by the front desk girl. Eventually checked in around 2. 15 pm and messaged my regular girl "N" to come over. I was going to be spending my new year's evening with her. She eventually reached after an hour, Pinay standard time I guess. We went out for some food to Tequila Reef. Picked up some alcohol for her and some munchies on the way. Went bar hopping in the evening to Centauro, Club RA, and few more. Field Street was pretty crowded and so were the bars. Back to hotel we spend the New Year's drinking and eating in the balcony watching fire crackers light up the sky at the stroke of 12 am. We had a good night but somehow I could feel that the wear and tear and had undergone seemed pretty high compared to my earlier visits. Damage was done to her body. With so many options and variety I was sure that this would be our only night in this trip. And left around 2 pm after some food and new year gifts I had brought her.

Overall experience: 7/10.

January 1: (Day 8: Sunday).

I went to Fields around 8 pm. Walked into few bars but seemed empty. Many girls seemed to have taken day off. Not want to peek into more bars I walked out towards the bar outside fields. Found a girl to my liking in Midnight Rambler (Insomnia previously). "I" was 24 year old and met all my expectations. She was pretty good in bed and met my expectations. 2 pops and 200 peso tip for her when she left at 10 in the morning.

Overall experience: 7/10.

January 2: (Day 9: Monday).

Day started with visit to Night moves at 2 pm. People looking to buy some sex stimulants should check the CR room for lead and prices. Overall very slow. Peeked into Candy, Det 5, XX, etc but found nothing to my fancy. Eventually ended up in Firepit. Place was full of women. Didn't take much time to find one as per my liking. BF directly to her. Payment process has changed after the raids.

"J" was a 22 year old. She seemed to have recently joined firepit crew. Though she was available till 6 pm I did not mind. We had good fun on the bed. Except for average BJ she was amazing in everything else. I was definitely going to repeat her. 1800 peso was indeed a decent amount for this girl. 200 tip and she went with a big smile at 6. 30 pm.

Overall experience: 8/10.

Started bar hopping at 8 pm, peeked into Red, Centauro and eventually settled into Dollhouse. I liked a girl from the model show, got her for drink. "K" was 23 year old single mom. I liked her attitude and body hence BF her for 3000 peso. We went bar hopping to Salambo, Equs, Club Asia, etc. K was dancing and drinking in each bar, having good fun with other girls as well. Needless to say they all are from Samar. Drinks were flowing in each bar we went.

We eventually hit High Society. Bouncers ripped me each for 50 pesos being New Year tip. Just wouldn't let me enter. Pretty crowded and lots of picking. Had 1 beer each and decided to leave. Got back to hotel pretty drunk and on the bed after a quick shower. She did have some baby damage on the stomach but rest was all fine. I had a good time with her. She seemed to know and did her job well. Unfortunately I had not asked her till what time she would stay. She wanted to leave after the pop so I let her go. My mistake for not checking with her earlier. 100 peso tip.

Overall experience: 8/10.

January 3: (Day 10: Tuesday).

Day started again with visit to Ponytail around 3 pm. Surprisingly was empty with barely 3 or 4 girls on stage. Moved to Lune time, etc. Not many girls or choices either. Walked to Night moves, same story. Moved on very quickly. Peeked into Candy, Det 5, XX, etc but found nothing to my fancy. Went into ICE and bought a drink for a girl only to find out that she was a Cherry girl. First experience in this trip. Eventually ended up in Firepit. BF "J". Another amazing session with her back at the hotel. Made her work on her weak BJ. She marginally improved. Another 200 tip and she left with a big smile. No matter how much I convinced her she just refused to stay LT or beyond 7 pm.

Overall experience: 8/10.

I walked towards Fields in the evening as weather was pretty pleasant. Peeked into few bars. Spotted a potential in the bar but it was too early to BF. I wanted to bar hop for some time hence continued. Checked After dark, Angelwitch, Brown sugga, Chamelot, another two bars in the alley besides Angelwitch. Had beer in few places but kept on moving. Went to Dollhouse but couldn't find K. She had taken a day off and I had not taken her no because she went ST on me. Went into Apple, 3 girls on stage, mamasan told me that Koreans had bar fined 11 girls few minutes back. I wasn't surprised. Monsoon or champagne wasn't enticing either. I returned back to the bar. Luckily the girl I had seen before was still there. Got a drink. "L" was a cute little girl. BF of 3000 peso and back to hotel. All as per expectations. 2 pops and 200 tip when she left in the morning.

Overall experience: 7/10.

January 4: (Day 11: Wednesday).

Day started again with visit to Ponytail around 3 pm. Luckily found 1 girl to my liking from the few on stage. Immediately called her for a drink. "M" was a 21 year, no child. She would stay till 9 pm. Deal done and paid 3000 peso bar fine. M delivered as discussed. It was a smooth and satiating session. 200 tip and let her go early by 6 pm.

I wanted to party late being my last night in Angeles City. I had my mind on BF "K". She was a real party gal and would be the right company. However her ST approach had me in two minds. Nonetheless I wanted to try and talk to her. I went to Dollhouse. As soon as K saw me she came over and sat on my lap. I told her that we will go only if she is going to stay till next day afternoon. She agreed. Paid her BF and we were out bar hopping. Spend some time in Salambo, Centauro and few more bars. Didn't want to go to High Society hence we got some food and went back to hotel. A very sensual session followed. Alcohol seems to have worked its way on K. I was the happy recipient of her elaborate services. She left at 10 am after a quick morning wood service. Handed her 200 peso promising to keep in touch.

Overall experience: 8/10.

January 5: (Day 12: Thursday).

Another amazing trip had ended. Made it in time despite heavy traffic for my flight back to Singapore. This was my third stay during the new years in Angeles City. I really enjoyed my stay here. Few observations I would like to share.

Girls were less in quantity compared to my April visit but ample choice available. Never went back without finding anyone to my liking.

Koreans were all around and in droves but it did not impact my game or mood in any bar. Their target girls seemed to be pretty different than the ones I looked for.

The younger ones especially the 18 to 20 year old were the ones picked by Koreans and early. These girls also seem to prefer ST because I checked with few during bar hopping with my girls and none were keen for LT.

I did not have any runners in AC this trip. All were willing to stay the time discussed.

Ponytail was really slow and empty whenever I visited. So was Lune time, Eruption etc. The mid perimeter road did not offer much in terms of girls or choice this trip. Neither did the Nightmoves to Candy set of bars. Didn't venture further then Firepit.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1989996]If the police are building a mongering database from random photographs of mongers in AC bars, they would need to make mongers present their passports at the time the photo is taken otherwise it is pointless exercise. A database with a bunch of photos of unidentified mongers sitting at a bar will not be of much use to anyone without adding who, what, where, when, and why. Without this additional information the database will not be very searchable.

Patronizing bars is not a crime in AC, so simply placing a guy at a bar does not make him a criminal. If entering a bar becomes a crime that would mean the existence of the bar is itself illegal. All the bars would go away and so would the mongers, no need for elaborate cloak and dagger operations to photograph random mongers and catalogue them in a database with facial recognition software and data mining tools.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input Chocha.

From the people I spoke to they were asked by the police to show ID before they were searched for drugs, not sure what sort of ID was shown be it passport, driving license or what but the police wanted to see some form of ID before they were searched and photographed.

Even without ID and just a photo its not too hard to get a punters name by entering his photo into a recognition programme should the police / government or any organisation want to.

As far as punters in bars, you are correct to say that if one is just sitting in a bar having a beer alone then no crime has been committed, the lines blur should one have a partly clothed girl sitting on ones lap or a finger in her pussy or the bargirl has her hand on a guys dick or in her mouth.

Where the major crime is committed is when one pays a barfine and takes the girl home for sex, it is a crime so severe in the eyes of the Phils law that it comes under the HT laws which carries an automatic no bail 20 year sentence.

There is no telling what the police are up too, my post is just to make fellow punters aware of what seems to be happening in some Angeles bars.

Hey GE.

What's going on? Here I was thinking all along that you were a mild mannered professor from Davao whose only interest was social and political commentary on all things Philippines. And now I see that you're cruising the street (s) of AC, mongering like the rest of us plebs!! Well done sir, hope you're having a good time.

And no need for the anti-Trump crusade. This is not the place. You might find there are probably a few Trump supporters here on this board and I don't see them bashing Crooked Hilary.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1990317]Hey GE.

What's going on? Here I was thinking all along that you were a mild mannered professor from Davao whose only interest was social and political commentary on all things Philippines. And now I see that you're cruising the street (s) of AC, mongering like the rest of us plebs!! Well done sir, hope you're having a good time.

And no need for the anti-Trump crusade. This is not the place. You might find there are probably a few Trump supporters here on this board and I don't see them bashing Crooked Hilary.[/QUOTE]Mild mannered most of the time, but I do get to Angeles 3-4 times a year; mainly when a good buddy of mine is in town as he's lots of fun to be with there. I don't cruise much anymore, even when I'm there as I've got some ladies I've known for a while, and bars are definitely not something I usually enjoy. However, I do make the occasional foray, just to see if much has changed since I last visited.

You're correct about the Trump bashing, and I do apologize. It's inappropriate to this forum and I won't repeat it.

GE.

I really would like to visit Subic Bay. I may be wrong but, judging from youtube footage, the beach seems superior to Pattaya (hope to stay one night in Jomtien in 2018). Anyway, IllusionHeart's nifty reports make me wish I could travel more in SEAsia, and that I were younger.

Long before today's honeys were born, I spent a week in the Philippines. Stupid me. I took a train from Beijing to Hong Kong, where typhoon flags were up. Since I wanted to go to the Phils anyway, I took the first flight out, without checking the weather forecast. Rained every day. Got the clap in Puerto Galera. Now I am so old I am joking about retiring in a beach hut in the Phils with my demented wife and an 18-year-old nurse. Who am I kidding? Probably wouldn't know what to do with her; I need a slower pace.

Hello All,

In following this bar police raid with the request of male identification (most likely passport) and have a question. Part of the raid is to do a male search for drugs. I am curious to understand the results of having Viagra, Kamagra in their pockets in that they are prescription drugs on you in the club. Anyone have experience or have knowledge on the results possible consider a criminal offense.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1990191]Thanks for your input Chocha.

From the people I spoke to they were asked by the police to show ID before they were searched for drugs, not sure what sort of ID was shown be it passport, driving license or what but the police wanted to see some form of ID before they were searched and photographed.

Even without ID and just a photo its not too hard to get a punters name by entering his photo into a recognition programme should the police / government or any organisation want to.

As far as punters in bars, you are correct to say that if one is just sitting in a bar having a beer alone then no crime has been committed, the lines blur should one have a partly clothed girl sitting on ones lap or a finger in her pussy or the bargirl has her hand on a guys dick or in her mouth.

Where the major crime is committed is when one pays a barfine and takes the girl home for sex, it is a crime so severe in the eyes of the Phils law that it comes under the HT laws which carries an automatic no bail 20 year sentence.

There is no telling what the police are up too, my post is just to make fellow punters aware of what seems to be happening in some Angeles bars.[/QUOTE]

Hi Vittu, why not get the 18 year old Nurse to marry you and live in Subic if that's what you want? Actually if she is a RN she will be a little older 22 or 23. At least live with her until you make a more permanent decision. I'm in the same boat. I'm 61 and am considering Subic as a retirement locale in five years (along with South Cebu or Dumaguete area). All three have significant numbers of Westerners who are married to sweet young things who don't seem to mind being with an older gent. I've been to Patts and other places in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. Sure there are pretty girls there and in the case of Thailand and Vietnam better infrastructure but you can't beat the sweetness of the Filpinas (and no language barrier). Go to Subic and check it out with the guys who live there. I don't think you will be dissappointed.

QUOTE=Vittu;1990492 really would like to visit Subic Bay, the beach seems superior to Pattaya (retiring in a beach hut in the Phils with my demented wife and an 18-year-old nurse. Who am I kidding? Probably wouldn't know what to do with her; I need a slower pace. QUOTE.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1989159]Common sense, and correct. Attractive girls have choice. Loss of face if they exit with someone 2/3/4 times their age. Older guys of necessity take the left overs. I know, I was young once and am now old, LOL.[/QUOTE]It might also help to remember this song (Someone should really sing the AC version for guys bragging about their popularity with the stunners):

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JJbN_xPzuY[/URL]

Hi,

I am new of the forum. I have seen that bareback is very common in Angeles so I would ask you some information.

Do bar girls allow also creampie?

Do they ask later for economical maintenance pretending to be pregnant and trying to contact you?

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1991037]It might also help to remember this song (Someone should really sing the AC version for guys bragging about their popularity with the stunners):

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JJbN_xPzuY[/URL][/QUOTE]A search for Fred Wedlock music videos would also give a different perspective.

[QUOTE=Balanitico;1991356]Hi,

I am new of the forum. I have seen that bareback is very common in Angeles so I would ask you some information.

Do bar girls allow also creampie?

Do they ask later for economical maintenance pretending to be pregnant and trying to contact you? [/QUOTE]Send me a Private Message. I have some information for you regarding this.

[QUOTE=Balanitico;1991356]

Do they ask later for economical maintenance pretending to be pregnant and trying to contact you?[/QUOTE]That has happened to me. Funny thing, in follow up trips they didn't want to meet anymore. Neither did they ever send me pics of the baby. Never sent pics of fat tummy either. When I start asking questions, amazing how mad they get. I just asked for proof of the pregnancy and proof of the baby and said I will send money with proof. (I wouldn't actually, because nobody is getting PG from me thanks to a vasectomy! Call out their BS).

Yes, bargirls go bareback. No problemo.

Hi guys,

In Angeles June 22 - Aug 4, first time there all ways been going to manila or Pattaya, first time hitting up Angeles city.

Any members around the same time, who would like to meet up for a few drinks and fun.

Drop me a message.

Mark.

We have all heard of horror stories when a gullible foreigner marries an Angeles bar girl. But no one expects to lose their life.

Saw this documentary and the anguish of the foreigner's mother was heartbreaking.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vABOFleXLJQ[/URL]

My trip last month, I found BJ bars near the Perimeter bars. Walking west from Candy bar on Don Juico, they're on the second street, on the corner of Garfield's Last Stand Bar. There is signage for the Sunlight Lodge and Boomerang Hotel at this corner. Go down that street, the BJ bars are on your left. There will be someone out front to guide you in. No signage, but they're called Niftys, next door to it is Rio. Nifty's girls during my visit were raunchier. I was told they have a bed upstairs. Upon entering, I was beset by two ladies. I had not bought them drinks, yet their hands were down my shorts. Shy, these ladies were Not. They were trying to convince me to take two of them upstairs. I managed to resist because I found the Rio girls next door to be more attractive on my first visit. (Nifty's had few ladies at that time.).

During a prior visit, I took a Rio babe upstairs for a session. If you've been to Rio de Janeiro's Villa Mimosa or Tijuana back streets, the facilities here are a step down: No bed, no functioning toilet. Only a ragged couch, a wooden bench and a dirty padding for the bench on the floor. Nothing for you to wash with before and after. Thank God the AC worked. There are lockers here for the ladies also. I had a great time with my big tit babe, in spite of the conditions.

Here's the deal for both places: taking them in house is 1500 pesos for as long as it takes you. Take out is 1800 pesos for a couple of hours, which I recommend. Did that with another hottie and had a great time with her at my hotel room. Hours for both places is 2p to 10p.

The Third BJ Bar is the Banana Peel, (look up, the sign is on its roof.) It's on Don Juico just before Garfield's Last Stand. This is a bigger bar than Nifty's and Rio. It has a pool table and back room. I only went once and did not partake. There were some decent ladies on my visit. I'll investigate further on my next trip.

If all these bars get raided next month, can we thank you? Maybe I'm too paranoid, but I think it's irresponsible to give this much detailed information.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1991922]My trip last month, I found BJ bars SNIP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1991972]If all these bars get raided next month, can we thank you? Maybe I'm too paranoid, but I think it's irresponsible to give this much detailed information.[/QUOTE]Correct.

Said bars in his report took a major dive, and never recovered, following Police Raids not that long ago. With Internet Police the norm, and reading his stuff nowadays, said bars might be on the receiving end of more raids which might mean their permanent closure. Sex on the premises is illegal. A case of a newbie endangering our hobby, again. Note: There are no "hotties" in the bar / s he is talking about. Bottom feeder bars they are.

It was an Australia FIesta on walking street on Sunday. Great to see so many expats in one place. Also nice to know the numbers when you see so many guys, (all) many whom have a filipina GF, supporting their filipina's family plus maybe seeing a bg every so often.

The weather has been fine and overcast here, it's not raining, except when it is raining. The bars all appear to be open and operating normally (except the ones that are closed).

I spent the weekend in the hotel with a lovely university student doing some tutoring. Can't really ask for much more.

First day I arrived I fetched this girl from Dau bus terminal. Upon reaching the hotel I get a text. It's from a girl I had seen last trip and was hoping to see again this trip. The text just says "What's your registration?" No other messages from her and she no loner answers me. I assume she had already seen me with the first girl.

It's a small place. While we as foreigners walk around not able to comprehend how many potential filipina there are, we can be sure that many filipina will be assessing the few foreign rice grains that are walking around.

BD.

Since you're not a "bottom feeder" you have no say in this. Just trolling?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1992100]Correct.

Said bars in his report took a major dive, and never recovered, following Police Raids not that long ago. With Internet Police the norm, and reading his stuff nowadays, said bars might be on the receiving end of more raids which might mean their permanent closure. Sex on the premises is illegal. A case of a newbie endangering our hobby, again. Note: There are no "hotties" in the bar / s he is talking about. Bottom feeder bars they are.[/QUOTE]

Currently in Angeles for a few days, if anyone wants to meet up over a few drinks, shoot me a PM.

The police are getting out of hand lately. Hopefully, the police activity will slow down a little bit now.

[URL]http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/shocking-murder-of-south-korean-businessman-sparks-fresh-calls-for-end-to-punishers-drug-war/news-story/d07a003706896fd3aa6f97cfcb29e8ee[/URL]

[QUOTE=XMan;1991972]If all these bars get raided next month, can we thank you? Maybe I'm too paranoid, but I think it's irresponsible to give this much detailed information.[/QUOTE]Sure, Go ahead. But if they're dives, nothing good there and Dangerous, according to Sxxxxxxxx, So What?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1992100]Note: There are no "hotties" in the bar / s he is talking about. Bottom feeder bars they are.[/QUOTE]YOU are correct, SIR!! There are no hotties there. Musta been the beer goggles.

Thanks, JM. Disregard the criticism you receive from some of the old time paranoid posters you see on here. Emphasis on "old. " The same old posters will ridicule other posters for not providing enough detailed information. It seems they are never happy unless bitching about something. Perhaps they have too much time on their hands or just drunk or both.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1991922]My trip last month, I found BJ bars near the Perimeter bars. .[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1993049]Sure, Go ahead. But if they're dives, nothing good there and Dangerous, according to Sxxxxxxxx, So What?

YOU are correct, SIR!! There are no hotties there. Musta been the beer goggles.[/QUOTE]Yes, nice to see someone admit something. And if it wasn't for the beer goggles, where would we be today? Minus a few hundred shags, I suppose, LOL!

[QUOTE=JustAwny;1992952]The police are getting out of hand lately. Hopefully, the police activity will slow down a little bit now.

[URL]http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/shocking-murder-of-south-korean-businessman-sparks-fresh-calls-for-end-to-punishers-drug-war/news-story/d07a003706896fd3aa6f97cfcb29e8ee[/URL][/QUOTE]Getting out of hand! They have been some what in check since last July. Now with personal bills mounting and lifestyle shunted they are raising their ugly heads again.

A few months ago they did bar raids and now back to kidnapping and ransom. I think Dutere needs to issue death penalties to the corrupt police to clean house.

Dutere and police chief honeymoon is over. The deep rooted corruption will be hard to rub out. I wish it was so.

[QUOTE=JustAwny;1992952]The police are getting out of hand lately. Hopefully, the police activity will slow down a little bit now.

[URL]http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/shocking-murder-of-south-korean-businessman-sparks-fresh-calls-for-end-to-punishers-drug-war/news-story/d07a003706896fd3aa6f97cfcb29e8ee[/URL][/QUOTE]Slow down?

The rot goes from the bottom to the very top and always has.

This includes the courts / judges / police / lawyers / government and any one else who is in a position where he / she can abuse their position for personal gain.

The police at station 4 Angeles city which is responsible for the entertainment area is the worst of the lot, many have been set up, many have been fleeced and much more.

Yes the president and chief of police have to make the right noises, have to look tough but in truth I do not expect much to change any time soon IMHO.

I was being Sarcastic. :rolleyes: (How come the smilies aren't working?)

After meeting Philippinas for the first time of my life in Hong Kong (see report) I felt that I had made a good choice in choosing Philippines over Thailand this year. My Cebu Pacific flight from Hong Kong arrived 10 minutes ahead of schedule at Clark and the arranged hotel pickup was there to meet me. I checked in to my hotel at Perimeter, got the minibar emptied and unpacked. I did a supply run to the Ministop at Fields Avenue (150 pesos for return trip on trike) and restocked the fridge. After a late lunch around 4 pm I walked to Firepit.

Firepit.

The setup is nice: entrance is through a terraced drinking area to the bar with a pool table and finally the go-go at the back of the establishment. I had a drink in the bar, chatted with couple of waitresses / hostesses and took note of some young-looking cute spinners working there. No stunners but definitely couple of doable ones. There was no pressure to buy drinks to the waitresses, although I got asked if I wanted another drink. I saw a hot girl walk into the bar and to the go-go in street clothes and immediately a guy sitting near me followed her to the back. In about five minutes they returned together, the girl now dressed in dancing uniform (basically shorts and a flashy shirt). They talked for a while and the girl went to change into street clothes again. I figured that with her looks she is probably doing ST only.

I went to the go-go, saw about 8 girls on stage and immediately noticed a short, cute spinner that ticked all the boxed for me. I ordered a drink and waived her to my table. We got acquainted and talked about her life in Angeles. I heard that Firepits mamasan was back after spending three months in jail. The girl I talked to was obviously the hottest one present so I wondered why she had not been bar fined. She let me take a peek inside her shorts and said she was on her mens. This is good start I thought: first lady I interview and I am already getting this treatment. But she seemed genuinely sorry, gave me her number and said to call on Sunday. She also said, that arriving 5 pm I was late to bar fine the popular girls. Lady drinks were 250 pesos with happy hour from 2 pm to 5 pm (200 pesos). I was quoted a 1800 peso bar fine.

I bid my farewell and walked to Candy Bar, second on my list.

Candy Bar.

Five ladies were dancing on the stage and they were definitely putting more effort into their dancing than the ladies in Firepit. I sat down, ordered a drink and motioned one of the ladies to join me and ordered her a drink which definitely was a newbie mistake. She was from Samar and her English skills were barely non-existent. What ensued was an awkward 15 minutes of me trying to communicate with her to what she responded to sometimes with only a smile (and a stunning smile at that) but mostly by looking the other way. The ladies on stage took notice of the situation and got raunchier trying to encourage me to bar fine her. The most vocal one was a small, skinny girl with long hair and looked a bit like young Penelope Cruz. I finished my drink, settled my bill and went to back to my hotel. After two nights of barely 7 hours of sleep in total I was wandering if it would be better just to hit the sack and and call it a night.

I could not get the Candy Bar spinner out of my mind so at 7 pm I walked back to the bar. I sat down, got a drink and having learned from my previous attempt asked to talk with mamasan. I asked about the Penelope Cruz lookalike and mamasan told me that she would do blowjob only. Why, I asked, is she on mens? She is a cherry girl, was the reply. Wow, three attempts, three strikes: a girl on mens, a disinterested non-English-speaker and a cherry girl. When is the next flight to Bangkok?

I asked mamasan for her advice and she pointed couple of girls out to me. I chose a Korea-style spinner with dyed hair who had been the second most vocal girl on the stage. She had a really outgoing personality that could be described almost as a show. I inquired if she would bar fine for ST or LT. She said she preferred ST. I asked if she would do a threesome who would she choose. She told she had never done a threesome before but was ready to try and choosing another girl was up to me. Mamasan to the rescue: she chose a more experienced girl that had a beautiful face. I paid the bar fine, total of 3200 pesos. My drink was 110 pesos.

In the hotel we spent about an hour chatting, joking, having drinks and generally breaking the ice. The ladies quickly warmed up as the jacuzzi slowly filled up. The session was a good one: DFK, DATY, BBBJ, Double-BJ, multiple positions and finally a HJ finish. I walked the girls to the door, gave few hundred pesos as a tip and noticed that we had spent nearly 4 hours in the room.

Even after reading about 500 pages of Angeles reports at ISG forum, I realize that no amount of reading gets you truly ready for Angeles. As a mostly FKK and Thailand guy some of the same rules apply but there is definitely a different vibe to this city. Despite seeing that some of the ladies are chubby, overweight or otherwise not great punts, I am sure I could spend my 6 days here only roaming Perimeter bars and still find enough ladies that fit my bill.

[QUOTE=Kurre;1993685]In the hotel we spent about an hour chatting, joking, having drinks and generally breaking the ice. The ladies quickly warmed up as the jacuzzi slowly filled up. The session was a good one: DFK, DATY, BBBJ, Double-BJ, multiple positions and finally a HJ finish. I walked the girls to the door, gave few hundred pesos as a tip and noticed that we had spent nearly 4 hours in the room. [/QUOTE]Great descriptive field report, nice work.

[QUOTE=Kurre;1993685]Even after reading about 500 pages of Angeles reports at ISG forum, I realize that no amount of reading gets you truly ready for Angeles. As a mostly FKK and Thailand guy some of the same rules apply but there is definitely a different vibe to this city. Despite seeing that some of the ladies are chubby, overweight or otherwise not great punts, I am sure I could spend my 6 days here only roaming Perimeter bars and still find enough ladies that fit my bill. [/QUOTE]So true. You can read all you want about our various adventures, but eventually a man must get on a plane, go experience the highs (DFK, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, Double-BJ, multiple positions) and the lows (never knowing if the mens girl is lying or not, trannies on the street). BestHunter, are you paying attention to this last part?

Thanks again Kurre. Hoping you get to visit Manila and Cebu on upcoming trips.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1993695]Thanks again Kurre. Hoping you get to visit Manila and Cebu on upcoming trips.[/QUOTE]Thanks WC!

This forum has so many posts about the decline of this city that I actually decided to skip AC and head for Bkk and Pattaya instead despite having a booked and paid flight. Then BD posted on the Travel announcements section and PMd me with some advice and gave a good pep talk. And now, as Garrison Keillor used to say, I am happy to be here.

Manila and Cebu sure are now on my bucket list.

After the workout with the Candy Bar duo sleep came easily and Friday morning seemed full of promise. I went to SM Clark and was surprised by the size of the place as I was expecting something more provincial. Walking around the mall I noticed that getting that same long, intense eye-contact familiar from my trips to Thailand was possible with some of the ladies sitting in cafes or doing their shopping. I ate some Sisig and took the hotel shuttle back to Perimeter. Firepit at 2 pm was busier than Thursday at 5 pm and there were more girls on the stage. As I sipped my drink the spinner with mens from previous night came to greet me and told that Sunday would be her day off and that her periods would be finished by then. I promised to be in touch. I drank another one and left as the line-up speedily thinned out.

Pony Tails.

Around 5 pm the hotel shuttle dropped me off in front of Pony Tails, another bar on my list of establishments to visit. The difference in scale to the Perimeter bars was imminently noticeable and I saw more punters and more attractive ladies both on the stage and sitting at the side of the club waiting for their turn to dance. I ordered a drink and was immediately chatted up by six or seven ladies trying to coax me into buying them a drink. Being a sucker for petite ladies I asked a 27 year old spinner from Visayas to share a drink with me. She had delicate features and her face reminded me of Zhu Zhu, the Chinese actress playing Kokachin in Netflix series Marco Polo. We talked a long time with both me and F nurturing our non-alcoholic drinks for nearly an hour, establishing a good rapport. Her bar fine was 3000 pesos and I paid that almost without hesitation. I say almost, because I could not remember if this joint was a one with two-tier bar fine system or not. Anyway, I felt her worth the bar fine. All-in-all, the atmosphere at Ponytails was relaxed and the pressure to buy drinks very moderate and definitely bearable.

We walked up the Walking Street to check out the location of High Society and, at my request, took a peek in couple of DHG establishments. After having a bite to eat we took a trike to the hotel.

She was not keen on hopping into the jacuzzi so we cuddled on the sofa instead. I believe she fell asleep as I softly massaged her head and neck. I shifted and she woke up and literally attacked me with her kisses. Oh boy, I have not been kissed like that for a long time. Even now, as I am writing this in the morning, my lips feel swollen and puffed from all that hungry, deep kissing during the night. There seemed to be a direct connection between her lips and her pussy since as I felt her up, she was dripping wet. You are making me horny, she said. I suggested DATY but she wanted to shower first. The sessions during the night and in the morning, four altogether, were all very passionate and fully GFE and all initiated by her. FS being all covered up and with no BBBJ or even CBJ available, I struggled with finishing but watching her lithe 38 kg body and perky ass grind into me brought immense pleasure and enough stimulation to bring me over the edge. I have met few providers that were so sensitive and multi-orgasmic as her: only a former girlfriend from few years back is in the same class with her.

As she left around 10 am I barely resisted the temptation to ask if she would want to be bar fined by me today. She was sweet, beautiful and passionate but I have now realized that Angeles is a box of chocolates and I am anxious to taste the next one. With three days into my trip (one in Hong Kong and two in Angeles) I am in awe of the variety of possibilities for a monger to indulge himself in SE Asia. Trying to go with flow, adjusting my needs to the one of the WG, trying to give rather than taking what you want seems to be a working approach for me right now. Trying to force a release as I did in Hong Kong led only to frustration and disaster.

Note to self: I need to keep some 100 peso bills in the room as the 500 tip, although not entirely undeserved, was not in line of my planned tipping policy. But so far in Angeles I have managed to go under my budgeted daily spending by several thousands of pesos. Maybe it is time to splash out?

Note to fellow forum members: as I have decided to use only girls initials in my reports you are welcome, if you feel the need, the ask their names by PM. But seeing the abundance of available ladies in the bars, I wonder if anyone ever needs to follow some other punters footsteps. In an FKK environment reports with names and descriptions are in place but on this forum, I wonder if I should put less detail in my reports.

[QUOTE=Kurre;1993757]Thanks WC!

This forum has so many posts about the decline of this city that I actually decided to skip AC and head for Bkk and Pattaya instead despite having a booked and paid flight. Then BD posted on the Travel announcements section and PMd me with some advice and gave a good pep talk. And now, as Garrison Keillor used to say, I am happy to be here.

Manila and Cebu sure are now on my bucket list.[/QUOTE]Though I have never been to AC, it is sad to hear you say something like that. You are thinking about going to Pattaya? I was there in early December and had the time of my life. Yet, there are constant naysayers on the Pattaya forum who go on about the city's decline. I didn't notice any such thing since I had never been there. Had I listened to all the posters bitching about Pattaya I would have missed a great adventure. If you read the forums in regards to any of these great mongering destinations, you will always read a lot of bitching from jaded mongers who will tell you the place has gone downhill. Maybe Pattaya / AC / Sosua are not what exactly as some people remember them, but bear in mind that is their problem. Not yours. If you keep going to the same place over and over expecting the same thrill you are going to get disappointed sooner or later. Don't let others issues trip up your plans. And if you do visit Pattaya, be ready for a great time. But, I wouldn't want to suggest you miss out on your own adventure to a place that I am curious about.

[QUOTE=Kurre;1994146]
Note to self: I need to keep some 100 peso bills in the room as the 500 tip, although not entirely undeserved, was not in line of my planned tipping policy. But so far in Angeles I have managed to go under my budgeted daily spending by several thousands of pesos. Maybe it is time to splash out?
[/QUOTE]Keep up the FR, it's good to see the positive side of what is on offer here. So many ladies that there is something for everyone.

As for the P500 notes, you need a supply of P100, P50, P20 and coins. Keep them in a different pocket to your larger bills. These are needed for smaller tips, trikes, jeepney and general use.

Now for my Saturday ahead.

2 pm, catch up with a fellow ISG member.

4 pm catch up with an untested maid from Villasol.

8 pm catch up with an untested dental assistant.

Will update with what actually goes down.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1994165]Keep up the FR, it's good to see the positive side of what is on offer here. So many ladies that there is something for everyone.

As for the P500 notes, you need a supply of P100, P50, P20 and coins. Keep them in a different pocket to your larger bills. These are needed for smaller tips, trikes, jeepney and general use.
[/QUOTE]Thanks, BrainDrain, for great advice and good luck with your endeavors!

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1994165]Keep up the FR, it's good to see the positive side of what is on offer here. So many ladies that there is something for everyone.

As for the P500 notes, you need a supply of P100, P50, P20 and coins. Keep them in a different pocket to your larger bills. These are needed for smaller tips, trikes, jeepney and general use.

Now for my Saturday ahead.

2 pm, catch up with a fellow ISG member.

4 pm catch up with an untested maid from Villasol.

8 pm catch up with an untested dental assistant.

Will update with what actually goes down.[/QUOTE]If I may add, I carry a couple cans of sardines to give out to the kid beggars. They cost 13-15 pesos each at JJ's. I usually get the 555 brand or that green label one with the pull top. These are pretty small cans app 3 ounces but will feed the family with a pot of rice.

I've done the same with cookies from the convenience store, but your idea certainly would provide more nutrition. The kids actually seem more thankful when they get food.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1994301]If I may add, I carry a couple cans of sardines to give out to the kid beggars. They cost 13-15 pesos each at JJ's. I usually get the 555 brand or that green label one with the pull top. These are pretty small cans app 3 ounces but will feed the family with a pot of rice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1994592]I've done the same with cookies from the convenience store, but your idea certainly would provide more nutrition. The kids actually seem more thankful when they get food.[/QUOTE]Actually they prefer cash. Then they can choose, whether cookies, sardines, or sniffing glue.

Bar girls prefer cash too. The locals know what they need = give cash.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1994157]Though I have never been to AC, it is sad to hear you say something like that. You are thinking about going to Pattaya? I was there in early December and had the time of my life. Yet, there are constant naysayers on the Pattaya forum who go on about the city's decline. I didn't notice any such thing since I had never been there. Had I listened to all the posters bitching about Pattaya I would have missed a great adventure. If you read the forums in regards to any of these great mongering destinations, you will always read a lot of bitching from jaded mongers who will tell you the place has gone downhill. Maybe Pattaya / AC / Sosua are not what exactly as some people remember them, but bear in mind that is their problem. Not yours. If you keep going to the same place over and over expecting the same thrill you are going to get disappointed sooner or later. Don't let others issues trip up your plans. And if you do visit Pattaya, be ready for a great time. But, I wouldn't want to suggest you miss out on your own adventure to a place that I am curious about.[/QUOTE]Thanks for you input, Eszpresszo! I have been to Pattaya and Thailand in general ten times in the past four years and I just spent 3 weeks there this January holidaying with people close to me (no mongering). Do not get me wrong, Pattaya is a great place and I actually would have preferred visiting Thailand instead of Philippines. I am sure equally good time can be had in both places and I even have the advantage of speaking passable Thai. But I have lot of work and personal contacts both in Pattaya and Bangkok and as this tour I am now taking is a FBT (Fake Business Trip) I knew I would be looking over my shoulder all the time in Thailand. I also found out, just days before my trip, that two families from my home street would spend almost exactly the same days as my planned trip at Pattaya. So in a way I lucked out when choosing Philippines.

My point, I think, was exactly the same as yours. Both Pattaya and Angeles forums are full of great information but, as you said, also jaded mongers complaining about the decline of quality. Still both are world class mongering destinations where, with little bit of effort, a very amazing time can be had. For me this time around Angeles was the best choice. I had my doubts after reading the forum but an experienced fellow ISG member helped me to see beyond that. It is great that you are doing the same for those who have doubts about Pattaya.

After three days on the road and six encounters with eight ladies I wondered if I had much energy left. I met a fellow punter at a Perimeter bar and we traded experiences and I received a lot of sound advice and pointers. I visited Baby Dolls which at 4 pm was a sad place with only one girl that I found attractive. As I am a bit slow on the trigger she was snatched from the stage as I was still pondering my options. I had received a WeChat contact from a friendly soul earlier during the trip and she came highly recommended. First texts were promising but I was not sure how that was going to play out. I had set up a Facebook account for Philippines but that had not produced the results I was hoping for. I finished my drink, bought some groceries and went back to the hotel for a nap.

The WeChat contact finally agreed to a dinner at a restaurant not far from Fields Avenue. She was a small girl (5 ft 1 in), already in her thirties, but in pretty good shape (maybe 46-48 kg). At dinner she proved to be good company, too. At around 8 pm we went back to my hotel and things unfolded in a very natural, pleasant way. Jacuzzi was put to good use and even if the night before had been amazing, this lady was my first true encounter with the famous Phillipina sex drive. Every time I thought we were finished and would just fall asleep, the teasing started and we would be at it again. I am not sure how to keep score of exact number of FS performed (somwhere between six and nine) as during the night sleep and copulating blended into a blur of dreamlike dance. This girl was like a sports car: zero to hunderd in five seconds. She was very much in touch with what she wanted and guided my hand, tongue and movements to bring her off. As I do not come easily I found the stamina to accommodate her wishes (with some help from Pfizer Chemicals) but the night left me somewhat sleep deprived. The damage was 2000 pesos plus taxi money with a dinner and breakfast for two (her share of expenses being around 600 pesos). She did not at any point bring up the issue of money but the fellow who had passed me this contact had suggested guidelines for rewarding her efforts.

As I write this, I have still another four hours to recuperate before meeting the go-go girl who gave me her phone number on Thursday.

I received some friendly guidance from a very senior poster on this forum whom I hold in high regard. To give perspective to my experiences, I am just under 50 yo, 6 ft 2 in, overweight at 122 kg (268 lbs) and I dress up casually. On a good day I look a couple of years younger than my age and I put effort into creating good vibes when interviewing a girl. That might include buying a drink to a waitress or a friend or just goofing around in general. I am spending just a short time in Angeles so I am not that constricted by the budget. Reader be advised: mongering experience may vary depending on your own profile.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1994607]Actually they prefer cash. Then they can choose, whether cookies, sardines, or sniffing glue.

Bar girls prefer cash too. The locals know what they need = give cash.[/QUOTE]They certainly have a strong preference for cash. I have had instances where they looked longingly at my food through the window of Chow King, Jollibee or McDonald's as they pointed to their stomachs then their open mouths. Thinking they were hungry, I made my companion buy food to take out to them only to have them refuse it and demand cash. The last time I did this it was embarrassing as the two girls with me told me not to buy them food as they wanted money to buy glue or shabu. It turned out that the girls were right, they know their people a lot better than foreigners do.

So, if anyone wants to continue to enable the lifestyle of mendicancy, laziness and addiction then cash would be the donation of choice. Cash can be used to buy their parents alcohol and shabu as they are often not far off observing. Just be careful that the police or extortionists do not catch you abetting mendicants as it is illegal to give alms directly to beggars under the Mendicancy Law of 1978.

[QUOTE=Kurre;1994609]Thanks for you input, Eszpresszo! I have been to Pattaya and Thailand in general ten times in the past four years and I just spent 3 weeks there this January holidaying with people close to me (no mongering). Do not get me wrong, Pattaya is a great place and I actually would have preferred visiting Thailand instead of Philippines. I am sure equally good time can be had in both places and I even have the advantage of speaking passable Thai. But I have lot of work and personal contacts both in Pattaya and Bangkok and as this tour I am now taking is a FBT (Fake Business Trip) I knew I would be looking over my shoulder all the time in Thailand. I also found out, just days before my trip, that two families from my home street would spend almost exactly the same days as my planned trip at Pattaya. So in a way I lucked out when choosing Philippines.

My point, I think, was exactly the same as yours. Both Pattaya and Angeles forums are full of great information but, as you said, also jaded mongers complaining about the decline of quality. Still both are world class mongering destinations where, with little bit of effort, a very amazing time can be had. For me this time around Angeles was the best choice. I had my doubts after reading the forum but an experienced fellow ISG member helped me to see beyond that. It is great that you are doing the same for those who have doubts about Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I think the problem in perceptions, in the case of both Angeles and Pattaya is one of historical perspective. Long-time mongers and / or monger-residents in both places tend to lament the inevitability of change. Yes, prior to "globalization" and the increasing incidence of foreign travel, both places were more isolated, cheaper, more naïve, and mongers were somewhat more rare and more preciously prized. For relative newbies there's no basis for historical comparison, and they can enjoy each place at the level of its current status without lamentation. The simple fact is that the "good old days" aren't ever going to come back, and thus old timers like me have the choice between living in the borderline state of wistful nostalgia, or accepting and enjoying the current reality, and there's still much about the latter to enjoy. There's still plenty to enjoy in both places for both old timers and newbies and memories of the past need not eradicate enjoyment of the present.

GE.

With respect have to disagree with some of you guys claiming old timers are jaded, I would say most just want a good time with attractive girls same as always.

I visit Angeles city on average 25 trips per year for almost two decades and still look for and need the same things now as I did on all my visits, that is young, slim, attractive girls.

The problem with Angeles lies in the fact that the few slim attractive younger girls have no intention with barfining with anyone and do not need to to earn big pesos.

The very few just OK looking girls will mostly only go with Koreans and will flat out refuse to entertain westerners especially if older, fatter.

That mostly leaves the older dried up fugly fat ones that are available to westerners, now some may be happy with this situation and adopt out of desperation the not give a damn as long as it has a pulse why not attitude.

Many guys claim there is a girl for every taste in Angeles, how they actually know this when they have no idea what others tastes are is laughable at best.

We now have members claiming that Angeles city is a world class mongering destination, the mind really boggles at some claims it really does.

We have claims of stunning looking Chinese model / actress look alike working in small out of the way perimeter bars (candy bar) and available for give away prices.

Guys if Chinese model looking girls were available in Angeles city the town and bars would not be deserted of punters as it has been for some years now, punters have voted with their feet not to visit due to low numbers of girls, higher prices, police set ups and much more.

Trying to compare Angeles city to Pattaya is just a no comparison, not on any count, price, availability of girls, cheap rooms, great food, many things to do, the ocean, safety to name just a few reasons.

Yes by all means one should go to Angeles and see what is available but please lets keep it realistic to our claims of what we find there.

Left Angeles 24 hours ago, 4th visit of 2017, trip report to follow in the next few days.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1994165]
Now for my Saturday ahead.

2 pm, catch up with a fellow ISG member.

4 pm catch up with an untested maid from Villasol.

8 pm catch up with an untested dental assistant.

Will update with what actually goes down.[/QUOTE]Well Saturday was a great day in true AC style, even if I was carrying my pocket of coins.

The catch up with ISG member was a true international exchange of mongering experiences and ideas. A truly great catch up and it turns out we are neighbours in the same street here in AC, but surprisingly we were hitting on different wechat contacts.

The Villasol maid experience was interesting. There is something about how I give directions that is obviously not clear, When I think "Meet at the Ministop" it means physically standing there. To her it means being within sight of the place, which was about 1 km away. But she could 'see' it, what my problem.

Anyway, an hour after schedule she's back in the room, a few music videos, a few soft kisses and it was all good. She is a small woman, no kids and super tight pussy. So tight that she offered my her ass thinking that might be an option. It was a good offer and one which I accepted. So, as time goes on I'm thinking about the medical assistant that should be finishing work about 6, get ready, and meet about 8. So I decide I need to get this maid back to her place and move on.

Then starts four hours of run around with the medical assistant. She needs to wash, dress, she's tired, she hasn't eaten, her cousin wants her, etc etc. So in parallel with this I check in on a couple of options. First drop into the sports bar where my friendly waitress is on duty. Then checkout a couple of old flames at Voodoo and Viking bars. I'm still interested in the medical assistant, the joy of the unknown. Eventually meet her at Jollibee at 11. I'm annoyed, she passes the interview but she goes home. We continue to text but still nowhere, so I go home alone. Moral is it's better to enjoy what you have in the hand.

Back in the room, I fall asleep but then awoken by a wechat add me of a girl about 100 metres away. Turns out she's been drinking with her cousin, the cousin goes to bed but she wants to go hang around outside HiSO. I guess in the same way we might head to HiSO to pickup dregs, she hangs around outside HiSO to pickup dregs too. So tonight she gets the dreg without her having to catch a trike to Walking St. I go and collect her from 100 metres away, quite a tidy number, no kids, single and shorts. She was the laziest bed partner I have ever had. OK she was drunk but a little enthusiasm is appreciated. Sent her out by 2:30 am, maybe she used the money to go to HiSo for last drinks.

Sunday 8 am comes around and I'm awake. Message awaits from the little waitress power pack. She's free this morning, will work later and we agree she should come over and prepare herself here, both of us knowing what will happen. But there's a catch. She spots a few inconsistencies in my timings of the previous evening about when I was in bed, why I'm tired, why I sent messages at 12:30 and 2:30 am. Sh wants to quiz me with a question. I know I'm going to fail this one. The question. Did I fuck a ladyboy last night? She had seen me politely nod to one of them as I had walked past that night. So, the big competition in town is the ladyboys and it's ok to just borrow random pussy. It all works out ok and she's off to work.

For the afternoon just relaxed with a massage and not much else. Burned off a few contacts including the medical assistant whom I could feel heading towards another wasted night. Decided to just take up with the maid for another session and see what happens.

The actual weather for the next few days looks like we are going to cope a bit of rain. This makes it hard for the freelancers as they don't like catching trikes in the rain.

Happy hunting gang and enjoy everything that AC has to offer.

BD.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1994745]I think the problem in perceptions, in the case of both Angeles and Pattaya is one of historical perspective. Long-time mongers and / or monger-residents in both places tend to lament the inevitability of change. Yes, prior to "globalization" and the increasing incidence of foreign travel, both places were more isolated, cheaper, more nave, and mongers were somewhat more rare and more preciously prized. For relative newbies there's no basis for historical comparison, and they can enjoy each place at the level of its current status without lamentation. The simple fact is that the "good old days" aren't ever going to come back, and thus old timers like me have the choice between living in the borderline state of wistful nostalgia, or accepting and enjoying the current reality, and there's still much about the latter to enjoy. There's still plenty to enjoy in both places for both old timers and newbies and memories of the past need not eradicate enjoyment of the present.

GE.[/QUOTE]Also, I believe a lot of men do not take into account the fact that they have aged, which may influence their available selection and thus their overall experience. If a 20-something year old girl gets a choice between a 40 year old me and a 50 year old me, I know who she is going to choose. Sure, a lot has changed in the last 10 years. But so have I.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1994745]I think the problem in perceptions, in the case of both Angeles and Pattaya is one of historical perspective. Long-time mongers and / or monger-residents in both places tend to lament the inevitability of change. Yes, prior to "globalization" and the increasing incidence of foreign travel, both places were more isolated, cheaper, more nave, and mongers were somewhat more rare and more preciously prized. For relative newbies there's no basis for historical comparison, and they can enjoy each place at the level of its current status without lamentation. The simple fact is that the "good old days" aren't ever going to come back, and thus old timers like me have the choice between living in the borderline state of wistful nostalgia, or accepting and enjoying the current reality, and there's still much about the latter to enjoy. There's still plenty to enjoy in both places for both old timers and newbies and memories of the past need not eradicate enjoyment of the present.

GE.[/QUOTE]Good points. But, the other option for the jaded is to move on and find someplace different. If you keep going back expecting the same experience, disappointment is inevitable. There are too many great mongering destinations out there to try. So far, I am going some place different every time, so it is always a new experience. An experience worth repeating, but not at the expense of missing out on something new.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1994745]I think the problem in perceptions, in the case of both Angeles and Pattaya is one of historical perspective. Long-time mongers and / or monger-residents in both places tend to lament the inevitability of change. Yes, prior to "globalization" and the increasing incidence of foreign travel, both places were more isolated, cheaper, more nave, and mongers were somewhat more rare and more preciously prized. For relative newbies there's no basis for historical comparison, and they can enjoy each place at the level of its current status without lamentation. The simple fact is that the "good old days" aren't ever going to come back, and thus old timers like me have the choice between living in the borderline state of wistful nostalgia, or accepting and enjoying the current reality, and there's still much about the latter to enjoy. There's still plenty to enjoy in both places for both old timers and newbies and memories of the past need not eradicate enjoyment of the present.

GE.[/QUOTE]I lived in Chiang Mai for a while, and it was good. There was always on guy on the board there, that no matter what anyone reported, would always reply with what shit it was and how nothing matched even remotely the value for dollar, friendliness, and quality of whenever he moved there. Presumably sometime around when I was born. Fucker couldn't let it go. Brought the whole board down.

Although in some ways he had a point. It's NOT as good as it was, if the collective reports of old timers have any veracity to them at all. Which is to be expected. Basically going to third world countries to fuck very low cost, grateful to have anything, GFE women for cheap is a function of there not having been that interaction available to them before. Which is the case almost nowhere now.

The ideal monger destination is always on the frontier. Problem is, there's not many frontiers left these days. I'm thinking of trying out Africa next, but my penchant for barebacking plus their AIDS deters me. If they ever some up with a vaccine for that I'm going to fuck that place silly.

Too bad someone doesn't invent a warp drive. I could totally go for some alien pussy.

[QUOTE=RollAides;1994884]
The ideal monger destination is always on the frontier. Problem is, there's not many frontiers left these days.[/QUOTE]Try the provinces. In 1999 I took a bus ride all through northern Luzon. It took maybe 5 days. Every day I would stop at a different place. I can remember towns along the Zambales coast like Alaminos and Masinloc. Anyway, I never went home alone at the end of the evening. I recall going to venues rarely frequented by foreigners. You see our Filipino brothers places enjoy shagging just like us such that Angeles is French fries in comparison to the availability throughout the realm. I did not get drunk. I go early. I do not hangout. I would have skedaddled at the first sign of dissonance but there wasn't any. First line of defense is to buy the disgruntled Filipino a drink. Yes, it took more resourcefulness but that is the nature of exploring a frontier.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1994927]Try the provinces. In 1999 I took a bus ride all through northern Luzon. It took maybe 5 days. Every day I would stop at a different place. I can remember towns along the Zambales coast like Alaminos and Masinloc. Anyway, I never went home alone at the end of the evening. I recall going to venues rarely frequented by foreigners. You see our Filipino brothers places enjoy shagging just like us such that Angeles is French fries in comparison to the availability throughout the realm. I did not get drunk. I go early. I do not hangout. I would have skedaddled at the first sign of dissonance but there wasn't any. First line of defense is to buy the disgruntled Filipino a drink. Yes, it took more resourcefulness but that is the nature of exploring a frontier.[/QUOTE]Funny thing is, I've had girls here recommend the same thing. Guess I've never really experienced the full on Filipinas in the wild adventure that the backwoods has to offer. Partly because I've been putting off getting my hep shots. Been in the mountains many times but always with a BYO. Going to try it out, thanks man.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1994927]Try the provinces. In 1999 I took a bus ride all through northern Luzon. It took maybe 5 days. Every day I would stop at a different place. I can remember towns along the Zambales coast like Alaminos and Masinloc. Anyway, I never went home alone at the end of the evening. I recall going to venues rarely frequented by foreigners. You see our Filipino brothers places enjoy shagging just like us such that Angeles is French fries in comparison to the availability throughout the realm. I did not get drunk. I go early. I do not hangout. I would have skedaddled at the first sign of dissonance but there wasn't any. First line of defense is to buy the disgruntled Filipino a drink. Yes, it took more resourcefulness but that is the nature of exploring a frontier.[/QUOTE]A road trip north along the Luzon coast up to Pagudpud & Blue Lagoon (Maira-ira) with stopovers in La Union and Laoag has been at the top of my to do list for a long time. I am planning a minimum of 10 days to two weeks. I don't like to rush, plus I would most certainly want to spend additional time in AC and Subic. I would also naturally like to include Aliminos and possibly Masinloc in the trip if I could manage a few extra days. I will probably make the trip later this year or early the next year. I am really looking forward to it. I know the girls I find along the way will most likely not be Kojax Burgos quality, but that's ok. The fun will be in the hunt and not knowing what I will find.

Latest scam adding to the decline of Angeles, some of the sidewalk cafe's in Santos street are now charging 30 piso's if you do not have smaller bill than 500 or 1000 piso!

Reality finally caught up with me on Sunday.

Las Vegas Massage.

Having spent so much energy during past two nights keeping up with ladies so well in touch with their needs, I went looking for a massage shop. I still had couple of hours left before meeting up with the spinner I had met on my first day in Angeles. She had declined the bar fine (mens) but was willing to spend her day off with me. I walked down the Perimeter road to Las Vegas Massage. I did not even look at the price list, just blurted out my need for a massage and was led inside. Two ladies showed me to a bed separated from others by a curtain. They offered a four-hand massage that, they said, I would enjoy very much. I asked for a regular massage with no hanky-panky or happy endings. Disappointed, the girls left and I undressed myself. The oil massage was mediocre at best and the massage girl, who had a pretty face and a nice smile, kept teasing my groin region with occasional squeezes and tickles. Not to encourage her, I fought to show any reaction, as I did not want to spend myself there and then. Finally, as she grabbed my balls, I politely took hold of her hand and promised a good tip if she would stop her teasing. The rest of the massage was much more enjoyable and relaxing. I paid her 300 pesos and a 100 peso tip. She said if I would come back the next day, she would offer me a lot more than a hand job. Whatever that is, I will leave for others to find out.

Go-go girl on her day off.

I went to the hotel, took a shower and waited for the 23-year old to show up. Five minutes before the set time I got a message that she was now taking a shower. I figured I would have time for a much needed nap. She showed up eventually and at that point I made couple of newbie mistakes:

1. I did not ask if she still was on her mens (if she ever was).

2. I did not ask how long she could stay.

3. I took her to the mall instead of taking her to my room.

She was sweet, holding my hand, hugging, teasing, even in the public view of everyone at the mall. I felt a bit embarrassed as I clearly was more than twice her age and three times her weight. I got hit with typical questions probing my suitability as a boy friend / sponsor. My answers were evasive and I gave her not much hope. During the dinner I asked if she would come to visit my hotel and how long she could stay. One more hour, was the reply, as she had to spend time with her family. She was vague about whether she would be working the next day. She also brought up my weight and suggested diet and exercise, all this while constantly texting with her friend / husband / customer. I also got a pretty good rundown of all the hotels she had been to in Angeles. I walked her to her jeepney and promised to be in touch.

Back at the hotel, I pondered my options. As a fellow mongerer I texted was busy with other plans I hopped into a trike and asked the driver to take me to the Walking Street. As the rain fell and I watched the legs of all the passersby along the street (that is what you mostly see sitting in a trike) I suddenly felt tired and decided to call it a night. I requested the driver to turn around and take me back. As we were almost at the end of the journey he said that it would be another 100 pesos. I did not have the energy to argue. Back at the hotel I considered the offer I had received from the massage lady but decided to save my precious offerings to someone more to my liking.

I slept like a baby for 12 hours.

Though this isn't quite a trip report, I'm hoping that my opinions end up helping newbies decide whether they want to come to AC and what to do while here. I'll break it down by topics.

1. Is it worth my time coming to AC?

This obviously depends on where you're from and what you're trying to do. A little bit of background: I live in the west coast USA. I have a full time corporate job with not a lot of vacation days, so I don't expect to travel much to AC throughout my life. It also takes 17 hours to get here, and that would be longer if you're on the east coast. Given how long it takes for me to come, I decided to stay in AC for 2 weeks. Although I already learned from my first trip that after day 4, it gets pretty boring, I still couldn't bring myself to come for only 4 or 5 days at a cost of having to spend 2 days on the plane. In my opinion, if you're a casual hobbyist traveling from North America, your best option is to make AC a side trip on a tour of East / SE Asia. Simply put, 4 days and less isn't worth the travel directly from NA and anything longer leaves you with very little to do. Even the nights can be a little monotonous because the girls have very limited English skills and your conversations with them will get repetitive real quick.

I found the people who enjoyed AC the most are, first, those who make this place a side trip from visiting Pattaya or wherever else in Asia, and second, those who make a living here or come here frequently. If a person is in the second category, the AC entertainment district is a great place to relax and have fun once a week or two and that probably won't get old. Or they can spend time developing more intimate relationships with working and non-working girls. BD is someone who falls into the second category. He generously showed me how he handles his contacts and told me about how his meetings with his girls generally go. I feel that the casual tourist experience is far less fulfilling than what he gets to enjoy.

In summary, as a casual hobbyist from North America, my 2 trips have shown me that it's not worth it to come to Asia just for Angeles City.

2. WeChat.

In my first trip I found that I enjoyed the freelancer experience more than the bars, which is why I wanted to try WeChat's People Nearby function as a means of finding FLs. If you're going this route, I have a couple of tips.

A) put up a real photo of yourself on WeChat. I had an avatar on my WeChat profile for the first few days and I found a lot of girls weren't responding back. I know now that they're just trying to avoid the Filipino guys who are also contacting them this way.

B) unless you're absolutely sure, ask if the girl is actually a ladyboy. There are tons of ladyboys on WeChat and while some are pretty obvious, a lot of them have pictures that look very feminine. But usually if the "girl" doesn't show a picture of her cleavage in her moments, it's likely a dude.

C) meet the girls in the hotel lobby first before bringing them up. I've had an experience where the a girl looked fine online, but when I saw her in person, it became clear that she took all her photos at an angle to hide her chubby face and body. It took a call to hotel security and 500 p to get her to go away.

D) many girls start by charging 3 k for ST but you can negotiate that down. Some won't budge, but that's their problem. I guess enough newbies are willing to pay those fees. I wouldn't pay more than 2 k since you can find plenty of takers in HiSo and walking street for 1.5-2 k.

E) don't be shy about what you want on WeChat. In my greeting I just ask "Hi are you a working girl. " This is because some girls are not doing P4P, so if you're just trying to find a girl for money, you can avoid wasting time talking with the non WGs. Obviously if you want to charm up some non-WGs, you can just greet them normally. For me I just didn't have the time to waste on non-productive leads.

Overall I found WeChat to be an OK source of girls but not the best. On average the girls are slightly older and worse looking than the ones you find in HiSo or walking around the street. If the girl ends up looking different from her photos or refuses the "normal" FL rates, it can be a waste of time as well.

3. Street girls.

FLs are my preferred source of action in AC as I mentioned in my report from a year ago. My preferred FLs are the ones on walking street around 10 pm-2 am. Since you're face to face with these girls you get a good look at their face and body, which is a lot better than looking at photos on WeChat. Also you won't have to go through the bullshit of calling down a girl, chatting her up, buying her a drink and later finding out you guys have no chemistry or she simply doesn't want to barfine. I had this experience several times on my first trip and it also happened to 2 punter friends who I barhopped with this time (thankfully I wasted my time only once as I'll explain later). The street girls are there to make money. That means they'll pretty much take anyone who's interested, and the girls are in no way worse looking and plenty good in bed as any girl in a bar (or often better). If you look at it from that angle, even High Society is a bit worse because some of the HiSo girls aren't there to go home with guys. A lot of them are also not professional hookers, so sometimes you get to experience a normal Filipina or one who's relatively new to the trade. One girl I met told me she hadn't had sex in 2 years and came here from Tarlac just so she can make exactly 2500 to pay off her rent. I met her twice for 3 k.

I also met WGs at super random places like the outdoor clothes market near the Ministop and another near a shoe store.

4. HiSo.

HiSo somehow wasn't as productive this time around as it was last time. The times I went there I felt the guy to girl ratio was higher than before and a lot of girls were just to dance and have fun. I'm sure if you worked on them for an hour or so, some of them might go back with you. I think the best time to go is a bit after 2 am since the girls who go in there to have fun before finding a customer are at the "find a customer" stage by 2:30 or so. If you like dancing with hot girls, then go between 1 and 2, which can also be pretty fun if you're in the mood. If you're looking to talk to or dance with a girl on the dance floor though, it helps to go with a friend to break up pairs who are dancing with each other. Then you can chat them up individually. The girls, who usually do come in pairs or more, don't like to abandon their friends. I did have one rejection and one mediocre experience at HiSo where I didn't notice the belly on girl before I took her back. She had a baby pocket and a really loose pussy, which wasn't enjoyable at all.

5. Massage girls.

This was another surprisingly good source of girls on this trip. On my first trip I noticed the massage girls handing out business cards and I never took one because I wasn't interested in a regular massage. But from my hotel to walking street, I kept walking by a group of young pretty girls after 8 pm and I just decided what the heck and asked them what they're doing. Then we got to the subject of whether they go to customers hotels for full service, and not so surprisingly, some of them said yes. Not all of them will do it though, but if you're interested in a hottie, just ask. But ask a bit discreetly because some of them are embarrassed to say it in front of their coworkers. I've had 2 girls this way and got a third one's number but didn't call her.

6. Bar interviews.

In my report from last year I went over my bar interview method which is intended to avoid the cases where the girl cannot or does not barfine. I refined it a little more this time around which helped to reduce failures to just one (because I forgot to use it). It's not rocket science, but a lot of newbies when they first come, myself included, are pressured to buying drinks for themselves and for the girl before finding out whether they'll get anything from the bar. Or they go for whatever hot girl they see without first judging her interest. Now what I do is I just go in, get up close to the girls where you can see them and they can interact with you, ideally in front of a girl you like. If they come and grab you or play with you, then you know they're interested. If there are no interesting girls, just leave. By this time a waitress is probably asking you whether you want a drink. Tell her to give you a minute. If you're in a big show bar like Atlantis, you kinda skip these steps and just pick a girl to come to your table. Otherwise, in a smaller bar, now is the time to get the girl to sit down next to you. After a few initial questions, just ask, "can you barfine today". If she's on men's or simply not interested, you'll know without having to pay for anything. The girl knows whether she'll go with you or not within the first 20 seconds of seeing you so just get that out of the way. After that, do whatever, buy her and yourself a drink, have a conversation, play with her ass, etc. If you're cheap, when the waitress asks if you want to buy the girl a drink, say "single". Otherwise it's a DLD for sure. I don't think they mind a whole lot tbh. I barfined 5 times this trip, intentionally trying to not rely on them too much, but they can be enjoyable as well, especially if you learn to avoid the bad apples.

I also did a review on Devera Hotel in this post - [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2972-Angeles-City-Hotels-amp-Accomodations&p=1991510&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1991510.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1994854] If a 20-something year old girl gets a choice between a 40 year old me and a 50 year old me, I know who she is going to choose. [/QUOTE]In my experience this is often true but not always. Over the past week I've been lucky enough to have a (beautiful to me) 20 year old staying with me instead of with her 40 year old sponsor BF.

She is also the noisiest girl I have ever been with in bed. During sex I make sure all of the windows and doors are shut and she really lets go.

BD.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1995258][/QUOTE]Nice and informative report. Thanks for taking time and effort for posting it. Indeed, a trip from North America to AC exclusively is a worthwhile issue to consider / reconsider. After my upcoming trip, I plan to split my vacation between Thailand and AC. Damn, I miss Thailand.

Tass thanks for your honest and interesting tips.

Just a couple of comments if I may.

Have to fully agree that Angeles city is best seen as part of an Asian multiple destination trip and agree that to fly half way around the world just for Angeles would leave most punters disappointed and bored after just a couple of days.

The problem with trying to barfine ac girls without buying drinks is problematic at best, the whole bar scene has been devised in such a way that most are forced into buying at least 1 drink if one wants to talk to a girl, I would also say that most attractive in demand girls will be reluctant to leave with a guy who looks like a cheap charlie and won't spend on at least 1 drink for her, she will be thinking if he won't buy a drink he is probably not going to tip after sex either.

The bigger bars on fields avenue I really cannot see how one can get to speak to a girl without buying a drink to do so, the reason for this is the girls are far from the punters on stage, to get a girls attention a waitress needs to point a laser at the girl to come down, the waitress is standing right next to punter so as soon as the girl arrives the first thing the waitress says is this gentleman wants to buy you a drink, what drink do you want, followed by sir what can I get you to drink, it is designed specifically that way to only enable guys to speak to girls if one is willing to spend a little, refuse to buy a drink and for most girls a double lady drink and she will immediate return to the stage, no ifs or buts, most bars have very few attractive girls, these girls are in extremely high demand, many guys are willing to buy them many drinks many without even asking to barfine them (Koreans) why would a girl waste her time sitting with guys that won't buy drinks when many other are willing to buy many drinks.

The second problem is that many girls can promise the world to a punter in the bar, get him to relax and start to enjoy, buy a few drinks for his intended, when the time comes to leave together the girl simply says I go change OK, only to come back few minutes later with a sad face and say, sorry honey, I just start my period, I see blood when I go get changed, sorry, maybe another time, the girl may or may not be on her period, many Angeles girls claim to have their period for the whole time they work in Angeles allowing them to earn very well from high commissions from lady drinks bought by punters she has no intentions of leaving with.

I always invest in just the 1 drink for the girl, many times they have excuses, on occasion one strikes lucky, its part of the Angeles city game, want easy high strike rates with bargirls then other nearby countries have many more willing girls because the bar scene is designed that girls have to fuck for a living, not true for the better looking girls of Angeles city IMHO.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1994927]Try the provinces. In 1999 I took a bus ride all through northern Luzon. It took maybe 5 days. Every day I would stop at a different place. I can remember towns along the Zambales coast like Alaminos and Masinloc. Anyway, I never went home alone at the end of the evening. I recall going to venues rarely frequented by foreigners. You see our Filipino brothers places enjoy shagging just like us such that Angeles is French fries in comparison to the availability throughout the realm. I did not get drunk. I go early. I do not hangout. I would have skedaddled at the first sign of dissonance but there wasn't any. First line of defense is to buy the disgruntled Filipino a drink. Yes, it took more resourcefulness but that is the nature of exploring a frontier.[/QUOTE]Try the provinces: good idea. I had an idea that might require a visit to the shorelines: Visit Leyte Gulf where my beloved, late uncle found himself clinging for dear life in the Surigao Straight during early hours of Oct. 24,1944. A young sailor, just out of high school and just barely 18, he endured a traumatic experience that he barely survived and changed his life forever. He was a happy fellow rarely complained about anything, and even rarer did he talk about the war. Except to mention humorous topics. Like the time he was walking down a street in Honolulu and he saw servicemen lined up on the sidewalk. Assuming it was the line to a movie theater, he joined the line and asked the guy in front of him, "So what movie is showing?" To which the guy responded "There ain't no movie showing here, sailor. This is the line into the who rehouse!" I remember being completely surprised my uncle would mention that to me and my younger brother. I didn't ask him what he did next, but he simply said "I do believe those girls gave some lonely servicemen a lot of comfort in their time of need. "And he said no more. 40 years later, my brother and I are still wondering, "Did he or didn't he?" And we still get a laugh about that.

But, my uncle's role in the Battle of Leyte Gulf is more widely discussed now that he has passed on. It was not a topic that came up when he was alive. He didn't like to talk about the war. But, it has piqued my curiosity. If I ever visit the Philippines, I will no doubt be badgered by family member to visit Leyte Gulf. That said, anybody have any knowledge of any maritime tours of Leyte Gulf?

I might actually get family to subsidize it, though I won't want them to come along for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1995501]Tass thanks for your honest and interesting tips.

The second problem is that many girls can promise the world to a punter in the bar, get him to relax and start to enjoy, buy a few drinks for his intended, when the time comes to leave together the girl simply says I go change OK, only to come back few minutes later with a sad face and say, sorry honey, I just start my period, I see blood when I go get changed, sorry, maybe another time, the girl may or may not be on her period, many Angeles girls claim to have their period for the whole time they work in Angeles allowing them to earn very well from high commissions from lady drinks bought by punters she has no intentions of leaving with..[/QUOTE]I agree this can be a problem. Certainly for a newbie. I have been able to avoid this as over the many years I have established friendships with long term waitresses. It can really pay off. I get the info on any girl I am interested in BF'ing. My waitress friend tells the girl she has known me for years and I am 'such a nice guy, single with no kids' (LOL) and she has to' stay all night and have breakfast in the morning'. Before buying a LD, 99% of the time the girl agrees. (Oh. The good old days when the Orchid Inn was the only place to stay, many streets were dirt and gravel and the girls always said 'yes pogi I go bith you' But I have run into a few 'Koreans only' in the past couple of years. Damn. Because the girls were 8/9's. In the clubs that I know the mamasans, I can get the who BF's and if ST or Korean only. Saves time and money.

Just a short story for any new mongers here on how things have changed. On my first visit to AC in the 2003, I checked into the Orchid Inn. As I walked to my room I noticed a topless pinay getting her picture taken in front of a flowering tree. As I glanced to the pool, I see 3 cutes swimming topless. WOW. Was this place great. The next day there was a pool party. There were about 15 girls in harem outfits working the large crowd selling raffle tickets (50 P each) for blow jobs or short time. At the end of the entertainment each girl got on stage and the Emcee pulled a ticket out of her jar announcing the winner. The winning monger walked on stage to take the hand of the girl and leave with his prize. Then at the clubs there were the upstairs shower shows, girls squatting on beer bottles for 20 P, topless lap dances. And for some of us partying with JimmyReg.

I will close saying I still have a great time in AC and think it is the 'best bang for the buck'. Pun intended.

[QUOTE=Balanitico;1991356]Hi,

I am new of the forum. I have seen that bareback is very common in Angeles so I would ask you some information.

Do bar girls allow also creampie?

Do they ask later for economical maintenance pretending to be pregnant and trying to contact you?[/QUOTE]Yes. Cream pies are allowed for all customers but this is not without risks.

[URL]http://www.aidsdatahub.org/sites/default/files/documents/Enhanced_STI_Control_in_Angeles_City_Philippines.pdf.pdf[/URL]

Yes. If you give them your contact info, they will contact you to support your baby. Most guys refuse to support their bastards and this is a growing problem in Angeles City.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/344800-fallen-angels-philippines-sex-tourism/[/URL]

In the larger bars and especially the ones that are owned by groups that own many bars that employ hundreds of girls spread over many bars which revolve their staff almost daily then most waitresses will probably not even have met most of the girls she works with that night so can offer very little truthful help.

Even if the waitress knows all the girls she has no power over who the girl chooses, she might say kind words but if the bargirl does not find one attractive, does not feel well, does not get a good vibe, wants st when the punter wants LT etc then no amount of introduction will seal the deal IMHO.

Know many bar owners, know many mamasans, know many waitresses, I never ask their opinion as most times I find they will tell one what one wants to hear, If one wants the very best girls that Angeles has to offer as I do then it is a very uphill struggle through lots of bullshit to end up with what one wants, as for Angeles offering the best bang for buck sorry I would rather call other Asian destinations that offer far prettier girls that all fuck with no excuses the best bang for buck IMHO.

Just a clarification guys, I always buy LDs for barfines, but my method is to ask if they barfine before buying them the LD. It takes about half a minute to get to that question, so you can avoid buying yourself a drink for the time being. Since you're buying her and yourself a drink before you leave, there's no reason for her to think you're cheap. I've also luckily never ran into girls who lied about being able to BF. Too good for me I suppose.

Regarding the show bars, yes you don't have a chance to interact with the girls before you pick her. But the method is still the same as I mentioned. You get the waitress to flag over a girl and ask the BF question (within half a minute of her sitting down) before buying anything for her. It works for me, so I think it's worth a try.

After a nonproductive afternoon with a bar girl on a fishing expedition for a sponsor (can you find one that is not), I tried to find a new (for me) angle to the last days of my trip. Thinking of maximizing the quality instead of quantity I thought of the second night I had spent in town and the spinner from Ponytails with fond memories. I texted her to ask if she was working and went to pick her up from the bar. I ended up bar fining her for the rest of my trip.

This solution worked for me: step by step, as we got to know each other's needs, the level of compatibility that was reached was very fulfilling. I have had similar experiences in Thailand but I find that Filipinas warm up to you faster. At times I felt I was servicing their sexual needs more than they were mine. Stayng until 12 each morning she flatly refused any tips or taxi money but as I was packing for my flight to HKG and she was in the shower, I slipped 2000 pesos into her overnight bag.

A week is not nearly enough to begin even to scratch the surface of opportunities this city has on offer. In the big clubs of Walking Street I did not take so much as a peek inside and my WeChat lighted up very late into the trip. High Society is still to be experienced. As a music lover I enjoyed the live bands at RnB. Although in many ways similar to Thailand, there is a certain Angeles twist to everything. I can not pinpoint what it is, put for as a first time visitor I find it engaging. Maybe some of my excitement is caused by a fact that this has been my first solid stretch of punting for several years now. Also the thrill of a new place and a new culture may count in as factors that pep me up.

All in all, visiting Angeles was a good decision. It is a good place get started on mongering in Philippines: the area is compact so the distances are short compared to big cities. I got a warm welcome from some of the veterans of the ISG community. Especially I want to thank BD who went out of his way to help me find my way. For anyone interested in visiting AC, instead of asking questions, try to go through some 200-400 pages of this forum. The information is all there. Even though I feel I feel that I have added very little if at all new information to this forum, I hope my experiences inspire someone to visit AC.

Until next time.

Kurre,

As you are seemingly the only person to have stayed up at perimeter, could you tell us the name of your hotel and both your opinion of the place and the advantages / disadvantages of the location? Many years ago I used to stay in a back road apartment nearby but have not even been to perimeter for ages. Just wondering if I should give the area a try including staying nearby on my next trip.

Thanks for any info.

Southeaster.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;1995997]Kurre,

As you are seemingly the only person to have stayed up at perimeter, could you tell us the name of your hotel and both your opinion of the place and the advantages / disadvantages of the location? Many years ago I used to stay in a back road apartment nearby but have not even been to perimeter for ages. Just wondering if I should give the area a try including staying nearby on my next trip.

Thanks for any info.

Southeaster.[/QUOTE]I am not Kurre. But I have stay at Savanah Hotel and Red Planet (formerly named Tune). Savanah was nice, around $65 a night. Red Planet is $30 a night. I prefer Red Planet. It is totally non smoking, clean and modern hotel. The room is small but it is OK with me. The bathroom has a nice roomy shower for two. You can bypass the lobby with your date and the doormen are nice and helpful.

I also prefer a few of the perimeter bars than fields bars.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1995922] Most guys refuse to support their bastards and this is a growing problem in Angeles City.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/344800-fallen-angels-philippines-sex-tourism/[/URL][/QUOTE]Not sure if its any better for local pinoy fathers supporting the moms. Two of the girls I know that just gave birth, have Filipino fathers nowhere to be found, and two girls that I know that are expecting and hope to bang before they deliver, have left the town. One is Korean and one is Filipino. All four of the girls claim to know the fathers. Of course there may be more to the story than their will willing to divulge.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;1995997]Kurre,

As you are seemingly the only person to have stayed up at perimeter, could you tell us the name of your hotel and both your opinion of the place and the advantages / disadvantages of the location? Many years ago I used to stay in a back road apartment nearby but have not even been to perimeter for ages. Just wondering if I should give the area a try including staying nearby on my next trip.

Thanks for any info.

Southeaster.[/QUOTE]I am sure I am not the only that has stayed at Perimeter (as DG pointed out). At your request I posted a report. You can find it under AC Hotels And Accommodation.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1996335]Not sure if its any better for local pinoy fathers supporting the moms. Two of the girls I know that just gave birth, have Filipino fathers nowhere to be found, and two girls that I know that are expecting and hope to bang before they deliver, have left the town. One is Korean and one is Filipino. All four of the girls claim to know the fathers. Of course there may be more to the story than their will willing to divulge.[/QUOTE]Have been told that there are certain groups of youthful pinoy Lotharios who compete with each other to see who can impregnate the most girls within a given time period (and, of course, then run away). It's a game. In one local group, the winner reportedly was at 12 girls impregnated during a few months. Their favorite targets are girls aged 14, 15, 16. Of course, this results in many "single moms", some of whom are quite young.

And then, of course, there are the older patriarchs, like former actor / senator Ramon Revilla Sr, who is reputed to have fathered nearly 100 kids. This category generally seems to have more financial responsibility.

Pinoys are remarkably fertile, as opposed to western men, whose fertility rates are rapidly declining. Many theories as to why western sperm count is dropping precipitously, including obesity, sedentary lifestyle, stress, plastics, pesticides, and so on.

Have visited some islands off the west coast of Samar where the villages seem to be populated mostly by pregnant or nursing women and lots and lots of babies and small kids.

Viva!

OM.

P.S. YMMV.

I've stayed at the Boomerang (spelling?) and Rumi hotels. Both a block or so off Perimeter up by Niftys. The Boomerang is more expensive but is a nice hotel with a restaurant and a small pool. Also a shuttle to walking street.

The Rumi is only about 5 years old and has nice rooms for very good prices. Just don't fall for the "free breakfast". It's was toast and instant coffee. No restaurant or swimming pool but when I stayed there my room had a little kitchenette area and was very nice for the money. Rumi is only down an alley from Niftys.

[QUOTE=Omega3;1996397]Have been told that there are certain groups of youthful pinoy Lotharios who compete with each other to see who can impregnate the most girls within a given time period (and, of course, then run away). It's a game. In one local group, the winner reportedly was at 12 girls impregnated during a few months. Their favorite targets are girls aged 14, 15, 16. Of course, this results in many "single moms", some of whom are quite young.

And then, of course, there are the older patriarchs, like former actor / senator Ramon Revilla Sr, who is reputed to have fathered nearly 100 kids. This category generally seems to have more financial responsibility.

Pinoys are remarkably fertile, as opposed to western men, whose fertility rates are rapidly declining. Many theories as to why western sperm count is dropping precipitously, including obesity, sedentary lifestyle, stress, plastics, pesticides, and so on.

Have visited some islands off the west coast of Samar where the villages seem to be populated mostly by pregnant or nursing women and lots and lots of babies and small kids.
[/QUOTE]Foreign mongers may have old sperm and be afflicted with decreased fertility but they are still efficient at impregnating highly fertile 18 to 24 years-old young women. One guy with a clubfoot managed to sire dozens of bastards in Leyte and Davao before dropping dead condemning his offspring to a life of desperation in squalor and grinding poverty. He did not even register them with the USA Embassy to provide them with a chance to escape to a country with better opportunities through means of their own hard work upon reaching adulthood.

Some mongers are not so heartless, I met one guy who decided to remain in the Philippines and raise his son after the Filipina mother was killed. However, the majority consider their responsibilities ended upon the delivery of a cream pie and trike fare.

There is a real need for a nonprofit organization to assist the children abandoned by monger fathers. Maybe some retired bureaucrat can convince Angeles City to levy a cream pie / bastard tax on bars and hotels to help care for those children. We all know the pinoy guys run off to other provinces to escape their responsibilities but I doubt most foreigners travel to the Philippines to emulate trike drivers and counterfeit Viagra salesmen.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1996657]Foreign mongers may have old sperm and be afflicted with decreased fertility but they are still efficient at impregnating highly fertile 18 to 24 years-old young women.

**There is a real need for a nonprofit organization to assist the children abandoned by monger fathers.[/QUOTE]Good point about highly fertile Filipinas and "baby factories". Have heard the rumor that if you even just look cross-eyed at a highly fertile Pinay, she might become pregnant!

As for decreased sperm counts, it's not just us foreign mongers. Think there are some studies concluding that average sperm counts across the board in the West have dropped by nearly 50%, just in the last generation. At the same time, rates of testicular cancer have doubled. Ouch.

I recall a retired US military expat who was quite active in the Pearl S. Buck Foundation in the Phils, trying to help AmerAsian kids. Remember thinking that someday I needed to volunteer to help too. Sometimes, mestizas can be quite lovely, rather exotic looking, and intelligent to boot.

Just my two centavos worth.

OM.

[QUOTE=Omega3;1996397]Have been told that there are certain groups of youthful pinoy Lotharios who compete with each other to see who can impregnate the most girls within a given time period (and, of course, then run away). It's a game.[/QUOTE]Has shit changed that much? When I was a teenager we would only compete to see who could get the most phone numbers at Six Flags or at the mall.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1997104]Has shit changed that much? When I was a teenager we would only compete to see who could get the most phone numbers at Six Flags or at the mall.[/QUOTE]Simple degeneracy, or the residual mores from degraded slave culture mentality can be found everywhere. Nothing remarkable here. We ought to the thankful that someone wants to do the heavy lifting.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1996657] There is a real need for a nonprofit organization to assist the children abandoned by monger fathers. [/QUOTE]30 years ago the Pearl S Buck foundation had an office in AC's Diamond Subdivision. I offered my services tracking down deadbeat dads. No takers. The raison d'etre was the Phil-Am babies sired by the GI's. Since their departure after Pinatubo creamed AC, the office shut down. The need may be greater now than before.

Hi, I am arriving next month into Clark with Tiger, I haven't landed here for a couple of years so was wondering how much the cab fare to perimeter is now, last time I think it was 350 P. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Apeman28;1997263]Hi, I am arriving next month into Clark with Tiger, I haven't landed here for a couple of years so was wondering how much the cab fare to perimeter is now, last time I think it was 350 P. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Last couple of times I landed there in 2016 they held firm at P500.

Got in from Boracay tonight and headed toward High Society about 12. Passed by a bar and the door girl tried to get me to come in. I said no, but I would like to see you after work. She said she didn't get off until 3 and barfine was only 2400. I said and how much of that 2400 do you get? She said 1100. I said well I will give you 1500 at 3 am.

I went down to High Society and for the first time I came up empty handed. The place was pretty packed but I didn't see anything I had to have. About 2 am I decided to go back and get the door girl and pay the barfine. Mutherfucking shit. I didn't remember which bar it was. I remember it was right there with Lollipop and may have even been Lollipop, but the girl was not outside anymore where ever it was. I went back down to High Society for a bit more and now I am back at the hotel with my dick in my hand for the first time in AC. I bet you I pay a fucking barfine tomorrow; I tell you that much! With only 2 more nights, I am not leaving my fate in the hands of High Society.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1997502]Mutherfucking shit. I didn't remember which bar it was.[/QUOTE]Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. After similar things happened to me several times, I have since decided to take phone numbers of potentials. The drawback is keeping the numbers straight when they start texting / calling you. That is when the social networking info kicks in.

[QUOTE=Apeman28;1997263]Hi, I am arriving next month into Clark with Tiger, I haven't landed here for a couple of years so was wondering how much the cab fare to perimeter is now, last time I think it was 350 P. Cheers.[/QUOTE]To Apeman.

If you arrive late the taxi Mafia will try to rip you off, if you have hotel reservation they can send a van to pick you up wild Orchid resort do offer pick up, I arrive late last yr after midnight from HK I take a Jeepney it cost only 80 peso to Devera if you have a lot baggage they will charger you more but they only leave when they are full.

Fast Eddie 48.

Hi fellow mongers,

Currently in Angeles city any fellow mongers here willing to join for a drink and some bar hoping. Feel free to contact me. PM is active.

At 10 I went out to find my chick. Ran into her with no problem. I asked her why she did not wait for me last night. She said that someone barfined her. Guess it will be sloppy seconds for me. I told her that she would be coming with me tonight. I went and had a drink at another bar then I returned for her. We had 1 drink. My rum and coke was 120 and her San Mig Light was 300. There was a guy throwing wads of 20's at the girls. As usual I told her that I would give her the money to bring back to the bar tomorrow. She said there was no manager there to approve it and suggested that one of the waitresses come with us to the hotel to bring the money back. I assured her that it would be okay if she just brought it tomorrow.

We get to the hotel and I stop by the reception desk to drop off her ID. This fucking place I tell you. She does not have her ID. She left it at the bar and she blames me for not telling her to bring it. Seriously, you would think that if she does this everyday then she would always keep her ID with her. Good thing that I don't pay them until the next day or I would be pissed. She went back to the bar to get her ID and I came to my room to write this. Front desk just called. Damn she got back quick!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1997835] We get to the hotel and I stop by the reception desk to drop off her ID. This fucking place I tell you. [/QUOTE]Dang it Mr. E. What hotel is asking for girls' IDs?

[QUOTE=Jack4765;1996654]I've stayed at the Boomerang (spelling?) and Rumi hotels. Both a block or so off Perimeter up by Niftys. The Boomerang is more expensive but is a nice hotel with a restaurant and a small pool. Also a shuttle to walking street.

The Rumi is only about 5 years old and has nice rooms for very good prices. Just don't fall for the "free breakfast". It's was toast and instant coffee. No restaurant or swimming pool but when I stayed there my room had a little kitchenette area and was very nice for the money. Rumi is only down an alley from Niftys.[/QUOTE]Both Hotel Rumi and Boomerang are on the same street, one block back form the Perimeter bars. Can also recommend both hotels.

Each of my trips to AC I get some new experiences to add to my life. A few nice things have been said about the referrals I have passed on but these leads and quality come from also getting my way through a few duds.

Here are a couple of experiences for you that didn't quite go to plan.

A) Coming back from a Cebu flight when I left Cebu I had a long time bargirl associate all set to meet me at my apartment. Lots of messages before my flight and it's all set. Upon arrival back in Clark. Nothing from her, totally disappeared. I did hear from her next day at 6 am which interestingly is the same time that her bar shift finishes. She was keen to come over now as she had "overslept" all night. What a load of bula bula. As she knew I was happy to see her, she worked her regular shift, maybe even had an overnight barfine and then wanted to double up with my barfine. Good luck to her but I didn't see her.

B) Somewhere along the way met a massage therapist at McDo and agreed on some services. For some reason there was a story about why she needed to pay her cousin before the service was delivered. I forget the story but I believed it, it seemed reasonable and I gave her the cash as we both headed out to meet again at my apartment. You know it, I know it, she just never showed and blocked me. Newbie mistake. If she is like that I guess she saved me from a crap time with her. In the end I was happy she took it and taught me a lesson.

C) Vegas Massage (on Perimeter) is total crap and is to be avoided at all cost. I called by on my last night, feeling generous had two girls. The massage is crap the girls are dirty, usually a good sign. The blowjob from the one girl was also crap. Fucking one girl on the table she just keep acting that it was so good. What a crap actress, I'm sure it takes more than 2 seconds of sex to have a climax. In the end it all got so annoying I just got dressed and walked out.

During this trip also had some wonderful experiences, mostly driven by one amazing performer. Will be interesting to hang on for the ride with her.

Lots of FB & DIA contacts still untouched and I will burn them off. Any untouched girls are not around in 6-8 weeks time of my next visit as their needs change.

On leaving the airport disposed of my SIM card from this trip and only graduated the keepers to my hot list.

Happy days.

BD.

As I stated before, I believe the regular and over payers are subsidizing the cheap Charlie's. CC are getting sloppy seconds or thirds in some cases as they are optional income and will most likely in all cases cum in second after the regular and over-payers.

BG's do not live alone on CC's! Please save me the minimum daily salary equation comparison to price of poon. Better equation might be the price of tea in China for all that matters!

I know some of senior members have good experience with pregnant women and bedding them. I've never been successful in bedding a fresh preggers girl.

Well it seems in AC one of my long term friends has found herself up the duff to a pinoy that has shot through.

So, on this last visit she was two / half months with a healthy bump. That puts me with a nice pipeline of 5, 7 & 9 months of experiences to follow.

There is no expectation of support from me.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1998548]I know some of senior members have good experience with pregnant women and bedding them. I've never been successful in bedding a fresh preggers girl.[/QUOTE]Met a pregnant chick on Fields last night. I was barhopping with a first timer I met. We were at the lower end of Fields when he saw a girl he liked. She was with the pregant chick. He started talking to the girl then all of a sudden a butch walked up and pulled her away. That left me, him, and the pregnant chick. I started asking her if I could skeet in her because she can't get pregnant twice. She said yes. I was just kidding around because I had no intentions on taking her. Her and the guy I was with traded info so that she could hook him up with the girl that got pulled away.

So I just booked my first trip to the Phils. I am landing in Manila on the 27th late and ready to go out as soon as I hit the hotel. I plan on going to AC the 28 or 29th. I am hoping to get as much help as possible. I am reading all stories and info on here. I normally do my travelling in Central and south america. So I am excited to get there and enjoy my time. If anybody that will be there it will be great to hang out with as well. Any advice is very welcomed.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1999841]So I just booked my first trip to the Phils. I am landing in Manila on the 27th late and ready to go out as soon as I hit the hotel. I plan on going to AC the 28 or 29th. I am hoping to get as much help as possible. I am reading all stories and info on here. I normally do my travelling in Central and south america. So I am excited to get there and enjoy my time. If anybody that will be there it will be great to hang out with as well. Any advice is very welcomed.[/QUOTE]Advice #1. Bring a stone, stand anywhere in Fields or perimeter and throw the stone, if you can't find a girl within that distance go to advice #2.

Advice #2. Bring smaller stone and repeat advice #1. Still no girl? Go to advice #3.

Advice #3. Have someone else throw the stone for you.

Good luck and treat them right.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1998548]I know some of senior members have good experience with pregnant women and bedding them. I've never been successful in bedding a fresh preggers girl.[/QUOTE]Well, given the recent talk on the PI boards about undocumented babies, you can make your own. Enjoy extremely. Just need to stick around for 9 months. LOL.

But seriously, there are many in the market. I have seen several around the region. What I could not figure out sometimes is if the ladies were with the biological father or just trolling for clients in the red light districts. There were a couple instances where I suspect the former. Poor lassie.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1999841]So I just booked my first trip to the Phils. I am landing in Manila on the 27th late and ready to go out as soon as I hit the hotel. I plan on going to AC the 28 or 29th. I am hoping to get as much help as possible.[/QUOTE]You really do not need help. Walk into a bar. See a girl you like. Say how much bar fine. Or. Get on We Chat. See a chick you like. Say Let's fuck. Then start negotiating the price.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1999896]You really do not need help. Walk into a bar. See a girl you like. Say how much bar fine. Or. Get on We Chat. See a chick you like. Say Let's fuck. Then start negotiating the price.[/QUOTE]Wasn't the bar fine inclusive of sex at some time in the past? Is it just an EWR / early work release fee now, similar to Thailand's system?

Regarding the concept of 'help', surely there must be local guys (and girls / mamasans) prepared to source non-bar girls for tourists? This would cut out all the wasteful drinks and bar fines, not to mention time spent. It's also a big advantage to specify requirements in advance, for example: no mothers, decent rack, good attitude. I'd pay for quality and delivery service! With its huge, 100-million population, mostly living on less than US$10 a day, it's a buyers' market!

[QUOTE=Cbear13;1999841]So I just booked my first trip to the Phils. I am landing in Manila on the 27th late and ready to go out as soon as I hit the hotel. I plan on going to AC the 28 or 29th. I am hoping to get as much help as possible. I am reading all stories and info on here. I normally do my travelling in Central and south america. So I am excited to get there and enjoy my time. If anybody that will be there it will be great to hang out with as well. Any advice is very welcomed.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the Philippines. Depending on the time your flight arrives, you may want to just skip Manila altogether, for a couple of reasons. First off, of you are coming in on a late night flight, you won't have to deal with traffic to AC if you travel directly from the airport. Afternoon traffic is much worse. Secondly, if you traveled 10-12 time zones you are going to feel like hairy dog ass when (if) you awake on the 28th. But you'll have to check out of your hotel by noon, to which your body will be adamantly opposed.

If you go directly from the airport you will still arrive in time to enjoy checking out AC that night. You can also restore you sleep deprivation at your leisure. There is a thread on travel to AC in the bottom section on this forum. You can always return to Manila on your way back to explore its offerings.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2000021]Welcome to the Philippines. Depending on the time your flight arrives, you may want to just skip Manila altogether, for a couple of reasons. First off, of you are coming in on a late night flight, you won't have to deal with traffic to AC if you travel directly from the airport. Afternoon traffic is much worse. Secondly, if you traveled 10-12 time zones you are going to feel like hairy dog ass when (if) you awake on the 28th. But you'll have to check out of your hotel by noon, to which your body will be adamantly opposed.

If you go directly from the airport you will still arrive in time to enjoy checking out AC that night. You can also restore you sleep deprivation at your leisure. There is a thread on travel to AC in the bottom section on this forum. You can always return to Manila on your way back to explore its offerings.[/QUOTE]Nice my flight lands at around 11:30 am. I was thinking about grabbing a hotel and seeing what some of these clubs are about I see on Facebook. Then possibly the next day or so go to AC. I read a lot of the things people talk about. Now trying to find the best hotel to book. That will allow the most fun.

Just finished with a girl referred to me by previous BG. Her face and teeth were not pretty and kind of a turn off. She was taller and very slim. When the clothes came off she had a body of an 8, slim, firm and tight. She was quite sexual and very responsive with multi O's. What a turn on! Went 2 rounds with her.

Just giving a shout out to the sub 7's.

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;2000003]Regarding the concept of 'help', surely there must be local guys (and girls / mamasans) prepared to source non-bar girls for tourists? This would cut out all the wasteful drinks and bar fines, not to mention time spent. It's also a big advantage to specify requirements in advance, for example: no mothers, decent rack, good attitude. I'd pay for quality and delivery service! With its huge, 100-million population, mostly living on less than US$10 a day, it's a buyers' market![/QUOTE]Isn't that called a PIMP?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2000544]Isn't that called a PIMP?[/QUOTE]It doesn't have to be you can just ask the girls to hook you up. I didn't feel like going out one afternoon so I texted a girl a know from HiSo she said she couldn't come then I offered her 500 to find someone who wants to make 1.5 k for a 3 hours of work I made the same deal with every girl I met. It cost way less than going to the bars and buying lady drinks just to find out the girl doesn't bar fine.

[QUOTE=Trevor2522;2000003] This would cut out all the wasteful drinks and bar fines, not to mention time spent. It's also a big advantage to specify requirements in advance, for example: no mothers, decent rack, good attitude. I'd pay for quality and delivery service! With its huge, 100-million population, mostly living on less than US$10 a day, it's a buyers' market![/QUOTE]Well I think you will find that bars tend to like selling drinks and lady drinks and barfines. That's their business.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2000591]It doesn't have to be you can just ask the girls to hook you up. I didn't feel like going out one afternoon so I texted a girl a know from HiSo she said she couldn't come then I offered her 500 to find someone who wants to make 1.5 k for a 3 hours of work I made the same deal with every girl I met. It cost way less than going to the bars and buying lady drinks just to find out the girl doesn't bar fine.[/QUOTE]That is a decent way to hook up. I have and continue to use this process.

On the other hand, I have never spent more than 500 in drinks and LD's to find a suitable BF.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2000677]Well I think you will find that bars tend to like selling drinks and lady drinks and barfines. That's their business.[/QUOTE]And an adequate delivery method with some implied warranties and safeguards.

I always laugh when someone says it is much cheaper to bypass the middleman! Without a middleman there would not be a smooth supply and delivery system, usually providing fairer and even pricing.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2000591]It doesn't have to be you can just ask the girls to hook you up. I didn't feel like going out one afternoon so I texted a girl a know from HiSo she said she couldn't come then I offered her 500 to find someone who wants to make 1.5 k for a 3 hours of work I made the same deal with every girl I met. It cost way less than going to the bars and buying lady drinks just to find out the girl doesn't bar fine.[/QUOTE]Your HiSo girl is still being a "pimp" for you (which means "procuring girls for other people, whether or not there's a cash return").

Not sure where Trevor 2522 has been hiding recently but passing on names of girls between guys has been going on for probably 2000 years plus. It is never widely advertised because it is illegal. You have to rely on other guys giving you contacts through an underground network or through PMs here on ISG (that's why we pay to be members).

However, I never share information with guys who I don't personally know.

When I was in Mongolia recently a local expat passed on the name of a mamasan with a stable of girls under her wing. It's all very clandestine but what a windfall that turned out to be for me.

The nearest you can get to an organised system in Manila (as far as I know) is Craigslist. There may be other lists too.

So, I tweaked the daylights out of everything; frequent flyer points, hotel points, work schedules, boss' desires, the lot, and opened a window to fly into Clark, 2 nights, then off. As time passes I can't seem to stand the bars; the music, noise, carry-on and I hardly drink, so I rely increasingly on the net. Hit the Lewis Grand and BS some online story about working for a month as consultant in Clark and would love to meet locals to get to know them, social time etc. Once you mention Lewis Grand some girls just say "I'll be right over. " Hehe Anyway, I jag Maria, 27 yr old 'sales lady' at the SM mall inside Clark, very nice and proper pics, well groomed, killer smile, looking for "her true soulmate" and she "hates liars." Can she bring friend to our meet at Jollibee main gate Clark? – Yeh I know!

At JB I snuggle up to Maria, and her pal Kris is opposite. Well, we are going well, and Maria is very warm, cute as a button in her sales girl outfit, and brushes me a coupla times, so I lay my hand on her thigh and get a warm smile, and so on. Chris is pretty sour. What the hey. I try and move my hand up a bit, no resistance, I sneak a finger under the panty elastic, no resistance. I am getting hot, this is in a back booth at JB!! I bring my hand down around the thigh and Maria leans her elbow into my growing stiffy. Oooh geeeeez, then she shifts her leg up, adjusts her seat and I know I have a shot at pinay pussy haha I move my finger along and under and just slip the top straight into a warm, very wet and juicy vulva. Maria doesn't blink, keeps prattling to Chris, but a beat or two later shoots me a quick smile. Oh, darling. Goodness bloody me! My Love Hose is raging in my pants and Maria is putting a bit of pressure on. I suggest drinks at the Grand, Maria wants to change clothes, but promises to see me back there.

An hour later, her lovely morena bod is laying across the commodious bed, feet up on the bed edge, nekkid as you please. I am on the floor, on my knees, also nekkid, tongueing her gorgeous clit, super moist pussy and a hole. Chris is on a chair, dressed, pretending to be absorbed in her phone. Slowly, slowly I lever my middle finger– thank god I had had a nail job at the salon that arvo – into her butt, thinking, incorrectly as it turns out, "I am going to fuck butt tonight!" I get up, open her and she grabs herself behind the knees and fucken S P are E A the S like a flower in the sun. I haul my throbbing Tom Johnson round and ever so slowly enter her bareback, she is as wet as, in a bit, out a bit, in a bit deeper, out a bit, deeper again until I start pumping the Piston Rod in / out, in / out. Gliding into her hot wetness, squelch, squelch. Maria is lying back, soft moan, eyes shut, then after about 10 pumps, she puts her feet up to my chest and pushes me out!! The fuck!! Maria looks over my shoulder and points, I turn and there is Chris right next to me, still fully clothed. She drops to her knees, grabs my wet and glistening Old Fella and proceeds to lick it clinically clean of Maria's vulva juice, caressing my code on the way. She finishes with two deep wet saliva-ey sucks on Roger Ramjet then pushes me back to Maria, urging me to mount her again. Which I do. Scene repeated, what a double act! Third time Maria lets me pump more, she is reading the situation well, and I know what's coming, so to speak hehe. Just on vinegar stroke, pushes me away, and Chris has taken off her top and proffers her saggy tits for a spraying, but I bark, "Open!" and she drops her lower jaw and I fucken unload into her mouth and throat. Gotcha! Hehe.

Another hour later I am fucking Maria missionary, longways, deep into the mattress. It is good, she is very wet, as she always appears to be. Always ready haha. Chris is back in the chair, back to her phone, fully clothed again. I am going HnT with dear marie, and she once again is all over it. Clutching me here, pinching me there, got my sweet spots down, wet tongue pushes my ear. A beaut fucken find!! She knows when I am going to blow and rears up, bares her teeth and clamps my left nipple in a spine tingling, back bucking bite as I shout FUCK and come like a fire hydrant with top knocked off by a runaway school bus, gushing her full, up to her back teeth it felt.

Two days later I am on the way to plane and she texts, saying she would love to move in with me for a month at the Grand, and promises to look after me 'very fine' while I am working hard on my 'assignment. ' What a darling I think, gingerly feeling my still tingling nipple. That BS story on DIA worked a treat, I surmise, and begin to piece together another BS story for another time.

What I love is this, and it's my common theme now. Many pinays know that their sole job description is to fuck hard and fuck well for the old white man. They know it. Further, and here is the cum, on the cream, on the cherry, on the icing of the cupcake, many pinays love to do it, they just love nothing more than to fuck, fuck, fuck for the white man. Yes, yes, I know, with a bit, or more, of tit-4-tat, they have to get an earn out of it. But. But really, we are blessed, no?

In a sense the bars are living on borrowed time because modern technology provides everything required for get-togethers. Some of the best girls in Angeles work webcams but they are picky about outcalls. No doubt there are local Filipino men and women providing 'dating' services through the local grapevine. Nothing illegal about making an introduction, if discreet. The risk lies in being unfortunate enough to fall victim to a set-up. Thus a friendly, well-greased bar-mamasan affords decent protection and, indeed, carries the can if raided. Third-world police may extort protection money, so a good contact, or lawyer as financial conduit, should be considered if playing the local scene off one's own bat.

Craig's Pampanga Province (includes Angeles) . [URL]https://pampanga.craigslist.com.ph/search/w4m[/URL] . "I'm not perfect but at least I'm A REAL SCAMMER" -- ha ha!

If you guys don't mind me asking, what else is there to do in the area? I understand the girls are the real attraction and it has been said the Filipinos in AC beat the Thais in Pattaya in terms of looks and overall quality. But, what is there to do besides monger?

I do know a bit about the area from a perspective of recent history. I grew up in San Antonio, TX during the Cold War, meaning I was surrounded by USAF families. When I walked out my door it was rare that there was not a USAF plane in the sky. Many kids I knew had been stationed at Clark AFB and didn't have a good opinion of the place. Mind you, they'd been a lot of places in their young lives: Germany, Japan, Thailand, Turkey, et al. A lot of them had a German "Mutti", and they had German names like Heidi, Heinz and Renate. But in a recent Facebook thread some of my old schoolmates were talking about Clark - "Hey remember the time when we're walking to school and we saw that dead WAF lying in the ditch?

Maybe I am missing something, but the Philippines doesn't have the appeal of Thailand, Malaysia or even Cambodia beyond the mongering options. Can you guys fill me in on how a trip to AC would fit into my next jaunt to Asia? I will gladly field any questions about Berlin, Medellin, Thailand and the Dominican Republic if you PM me.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2001815]If you guys don't mind me asking, what else is there to do in the area? I understand the girls are the real attraction and it has been said the Filipinos in AC beat the Thais in Pattaya in terms of looks and overall quality. But, what is there to do besides monger?

I do know a bit about the area from a perspective of recent history. I grew up in San Antonio, TX during the Cold War, meaning I was surrounded by USAF families. When I walked out my door it was rare that there was not a USAF plane in the sky. Many kids I knew had been stationed at Clark AFB and didn't have a good opinion of the place. Mind you, they'd been a lot of places in their young lives: Germany, Japan, Thailand, Turkey, et al. A lot of them had a German "Mutti", and they had German names like Heidi, Heinz and Renate. But in a recent Facebook thread some of my old schoolmates were talking about Clark - "Hey remember the time when we're walking to school and we saw that dead WAF lying in the ditch?

Maybe I am missing something, but the Philippines doesn't have the appeal of Thailand, Malaysia or even Cambodia beyond the mongering options. Can you guys fill me in on how a trip to AC would fit into my next jaunt to Asia? I will gladly field any questions about Berlin, Medellin, Thailand and the Dominican Republic if you PM me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Good question I have been wondering this also. Can't wait to hear this.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2001815]If you guys don't mind me asking, what else is there to do in the area? I understand the girls are the real attraction and it has been said the Filipinos in AC beat the Thais in Pattaya in terms of looks and overall quality. But, what is there to do besides monger?

I do know a bit about the area from a perspective of recent history. I grew up in San Antonio, TX during the Cold War, meaning I was surrounded by USAF families. When I walked out my door it was rare that there was not a USAF plane in the sky. Many kids I knew had been stationed at Clark AFB and didn't have a good opinion of the place. Mind you, they'd been a lot of places in their young lives: Germany, Japan, Thailand, Turkey, et al. A lot of them had a German "Mutti", and they had German names like Heidi, Heinz and Renate. But in a recent Facebook thread some of my old schoolmates were talking about Clark - "Hey remember the time when we're walking to school and we saw that dead WAF lying in the ditch?

Maybe I am missing something, but the Philippines doesn't have the appeal of Thailand, Malaysia or even Cambodia beyond the mongering options. Can you guys fill me in on how a trip to AC would fit into my next jaunt to Asia? I will gladly field any questions about Berlin, Medellin, Thailand and the Dominican Republic if you PM me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]For starters, most army brats are crazy; based on what I have seen and the stories I hear. Since you have been around, you know San Antonio and in general the US is quite tame. Most head to the border towns for real cheap action. Of most places, I prefer Thailand. Because you have have options besides the easy going attitude towards pussy. The best thing about the PI is the language and culture; it is pretty close to the US and the girls are great.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2001815]
Maybe I am missing something, but the Philippines doesn't have the appeal of Thailand, Malaysia or even Cambodia beyond the mongering options. Can you guys fill me in on how a trip to AC would fit into my next jaunt to Asia? I will gladly field any questions about Berlin, Medellin, Thailand and the Dominican Republic if you PM me. [/QUOTE]The only game in Angeles is sexual satisfaction. Whatever you've wanted to do, you can do find a pinay that will also do it. YOU can be direct and hire them from a bar, you can do a be the nightclubber from heaven and "pickup" you date through your dancing at HiSo, you can find a pseudo "date" through the dating sites. You can play the hard to get girls, you can be faithful to one girl your entire stay. This girls will fuck you whenever you want, they will make your bed, they will cook and run errands.

Things to do, hire a bike, explore the surrounds, meet locals, help charities, visit the museum, day trips to Subic.

So yesterday I was working from my hotel and it can be lonely. Invited a wechat girl (3 messages) to come and join me. She sat around, flirted while I worked. Once my work was done it was into the bed, no waiting. All for less that than USD32 inc transport and food. She was here for 7 hours.

So, if you want lots of girls for friendship, fun and a whole experience, then consider AC.

BD.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2001815]If you guys don't mind me asking, what else is there to do in the area? I understand the girls are the real attraction and it has been said the Filipinos in AC beat the Thais in Pattaya in terms of looks and overall quality. But, what is there to do besides monger?

I do know a bit about the area from a perspective of recent history. I grew up in San Antonio, TX during the Cold War, meaning I was surrounded by USAF families. When I walked out my door it was rare that there was not a USAF plane in the sky. Many kids I knew had been stationed at Clark AFB and didn't have a good opinion of the place. Mind you, they'd been a lot of places in their young lives: Germany, Japan, Thailand, Turkey, et al. A lot of them had a German "Mutti", and they had German names like Heidi, Heinz and Renate. But in a recent Facebook thread some of my old schoolmates were talking about Clark - "Hey remember the time when we're walking to school and we saw that dead WAF lying in the ditch?

Maybe I am missing something, but the Philippines doesn't have the appeal of Thailand, Malaysia or even Cambodia beyond the mongering options. Can you guys fill me in on how a trip to AC would fit into my next jaunt to Asia? I will gladly field any questions about Berlin, Medellin, Thailand and the Dominican Republic if you PM me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You start out asking questions about Angeles, but toward the end of your post you conflate Angeles with the Philippines, of which Angeles is only a very tiny part.

To address the first question about Angeles, in my opinion, there's not much to do there except chase the women. Yes, you can golf, or hit mediocre restaurants or go hiking nearby, but the girls are the main attraction. Compared to Bangkok or Pattaya, it's a wholly uninteresting place aside from endless sexual opportunities. That said, if you go with a buddy or two, and don't stay for more than two or three nights, it can be fun. Also the incidence of street crime (pickpockets and muggers) is likely higher in Angeles than in Thailand or Cambodia. Conversely, and again strictly in my opinion, the girls are much sweeter, less overtly commercial and more fun to be with than in either Thailand or Cambodia.

Getting out of Angeles, and into the hinterlands, the Philippines can be quite an interesting and engaging place. Though culinary choices are limited outside of the larger cities, the mix of tribal cultures, scenery, local customs and the general warmth of the people can be as interesting as either Thailand or Cambodia. Again, I'm not speaking here of Manila or Cebu, but some of the smaller areas / cities scattered all over the country. Further, given the widespread ability to speak English, it's much easier to communicate with Filipinos than with Thais or Cambodians.

GE.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2001815]If you guys don't mind me asking, what else is there to do in the area? I understand the girls are the real attraction but, what is there to do besides monger?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I had a buddy who learned to fly an ultra-light plane. Evidently you can get all kinds of flying licenses in AC at rock bottom prices.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2001980]I had a buddy who learned to fly an ultra-light plane. Evidently you can get all kinds of flying licenses in AC at rock bottom prices.[/QUOTE]In the US, no license required to fly an ultra light. No license exists to kill one self. LOL.

For the guys that have not visited and plan an Angeles visit I think that honesty is expected so here goes.

There is no doubt that angeles city is a shit hole, the streets are dirty, full of beggars / scammers, the police are super corrupt and like nothing better than to add to their little pay with bribes / extortion / protection and general dishonesty, even the prime minister calls them scallywags and a disgrace to the uniform.

The hotels are expensive for the quality one gets, any hotel room under $50 us I would not put my dogs to sleep in, even room of $ 100 plus are not all good and similar hotels in most nearby mongering destinations will be less than half price like for like.

The food, ever wondered why there are no pinoy restaurants outside the Phills? The simple answer is that pinoy food has to be the worst in the world, yes one can pay very high prices to eat western food in western owned high end restaurants but again one is getting below average food for big money, most other nearby mongering destinations have very tasty local and int food at very reasonable prices.

There is as many have said nothing to do in Angeles apart from drink and bar hop, yes there is SM mall, a small cinema and a flying club and some golf but in truth the mall is small with little choice, the cinema is not multi choice, the golf not up to international standards and the flying club is old planes and low standards.

On to the main part the girls, Yes pinays can be very sweet and some may even make good wives but not pinay prostitutes, pinay prostitutes are in the business of earning high by doing as least fucking as possible.

Fully agree that if one is in the habit or barfining or meeting girls that have very little earning power due to looks / fatties / oldies or a body that is showing heavy signs of multiple child birth then these type of girls are available for multiple sex / cleaning house. Ironing clothes and anything else one desires, pick a reasonably attractive / slim / no baby girl then one will pay large amounts of cash by the hour, that's if one can get the princesses to barfine / fuck at all.

Its funny how many of the old school guys on most Angeles based sites talk of the stunners they fuck with very little payment, in reality over the last few years I have not seen a westerner anywhere in angeles city with a girl I would call bangable.

For the guys that like bareback sex with very average looking girls then angeles has got to be the place to go, most girls will accept multiple cream pies from multiple mongers per day, although this is not without high risk IMHO, but each to their own.

By all means one should try out angeles city if one is very near by or as part of a mongering multi country trip but keeping one expectations reasonable will give the best trip IMHO.

[QUOTE=WazWallaby;2001671]As time passes I can't seem to stand the bars; the music, noise, carry-on and I hardly drink, so I rely increasingly on the net. Hit the Lewis Grand and BS some online story about working for a month as consultant in Clark and would love to meet locals to get to know them, social time etc. Once you mention Lewis Grand some girls just say "I'll be right over. "[/QUOTE]No need to BS a story. Just tell them right off that you want to fuck (unless telling the story is part of your own fantasy). Also I would settle on a price before telling them which hotel I was in. When they find out you can afford to stay at the most expensive place in town they will not mind charging you more to fuck.

P. S. Coming right over has nothing to do with mentioning LG!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2001815]If you guys don't mind me asking, what else is there to do in the area? I understand the girls are the real attraction and it has been said the Filipinos in AC beat the Thais in Pattaya in terms of looks and overall quality. But, what is there to do besides monger?[/QUOTE]1) Golf.

2) Play no limit hold-em poker.

3) Play in the casinos.

4) Do a Mount Pinatubo tour. It will be a long drive, a long day.

5) Do a day trip to Subic Bay. You can either get a private taxi (2 thousand something each way), or do it cheaper with local transport. Better to do a 2 or 3 day trip.

6) There's an annual hot air balloon fiesta at Clark.

7) Shop at SM Mall.

8) Do some charity work and feed some hungry kids.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2001815]Can you guys fill me in on how a trip to AC would fit into my next jaunt to Asia?[/QUOTE]Angeles is a good option for a stop if you are hopping around SE Asia. It is relatively cheap to fly into Manila from Bangkok, Vietnam, Siem Reap, and Kuala Lumpur. Then you get a private taxi to take you to and from the airport (or do it cheaper with public transport). Hint: Try to do it on a Sunday to avoid the atrocious traffic.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2001815]If you guys don't mind me asking, what else is there to do in the area? I understand the girls are the real attraction and it has been said the Filipinos in AC beat the Thais in Pattaya in terms of looks and overall quality. But, what is there to do besides monger?

I do know a bit about the area from a perspective of recent history. I grew up in San Antonio, TX during the Cold War, meaning I was surrounded by USAF families. When I walked out my door it was rare that there was not a USAF plane in the sky. Many kids I knew had been stationed at Clark AFB and didn't have a good opinion of the place. Mind you, they'd been a lot of places in their young lives: Germany, Japan, Thailand, Turkey, et al. A lot of them had a German "Mutti", and they had German names like Heidi, Heinz and Renate. But in a recent Facebook thread some of my old schoolmates were talking about Clark - "Hey remember the time when we're walking to school and we saw that dead WAF lying in the ditch?

Maybe I am missing something, but the Philippines doesn't have the appeal of Thailand, Malaysia or even Cambodia beyond the mongering options. Can you guys fill me in on how a trip to AC would fit into my next jaunt to Asia? I will gladly field any questions about Berlin, Medellin, Thailand and the Dominican Republic if you PM me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Depends on what you are looking for.

Since you mentioned a US military-related background, there is an active VFW post in Angeles, on Pinatubo St. Some of the members have been retired in the area for 30+ years and have successfully figured out how to stay involved.

As other savvy posters on this forum have noted, golf (especially in the early mornings, when cooler) is popular, and flying lessons are relatively affordable. Also: local gyms for workouts, pool (billiards), darts, poker and other card games, swimming pools, (regular) massages and spas, hot air ballooning, involvement in local community activities (Rotary Club, helping orphans and physically challenged children, local US cemetery activities and so on) are all options.

Enjoy some of the better restaurants and dining both on and off Clark.

Use Angeles as a convenient base for local tours and exploration (cooler Baguio, or northern Luzon with scenic rice terraces at Banaue, or historic towns such as Vigan, or, even further north, surfing) or closer, Subic and various ocean related activities, or Pinatubo volcanic and hot springs tours), or relatively cheap airfares from Clark to numerous other destinations both within Philippines and internationally.

But, bottom line, drinking and interfacing with amiable young women are the two most popular activities in Angeles, and command the most time and attention.

Enjoy the adventure!

OM.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2001949]Also the incidence of street crime (pickpockets and muggers) is likely higher in Angeles than in Thailand or Cambodia.[/QUOTE]Actually the incidence of street crime is higher in Pattaya than it is in Angeles. Just read Thai Visa or Pattaya Daily News and everyday you will see someone's gold chain getting snatched, wallet getting stolen, someone getting accosted by a ladyboy, or beat up by bar staff. If you are really lucky you will see a passenger taking a swing from a taxi driver's sword or machete. Actually I think a taxi driver pulled a knife on a family the other day for closing the luggage compartment too hard.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2001949]Further, given the widespread ability to speak English, it's much easier to communicate with Filipinos than with Thais or Cambodians.[/QUOTE]Maybe they can talk in English, but communicate is an entirely different ball game. The results are in for the Dumb as Rocks on planet Earth category. After a dead heat between the Dumbminicans and Filipinos, the Filipinos win it. It was not enough to take the title last year when me and my girlfriend were at a resort in Cebu and I ordered a grilled cheese and the lady told me that they did not have grilled cheese, only grilled ham and cheese. But with this most recent incident they were able to win the trophy.

The week before last me and my girlfriend were in Boracay and decided to have 1 last drink before we had to leave. We went over to a beach bar and I ordered a drink but wanted to be sure it would not come in that conical martini glass so I asked the waiter which glass it comes in. He went to the bar and came back and muttered something. I said no and pointing to my eye said let me see the glass it will come in. He goes to the bar and comes back once again but this time with a highball glass. I said perfect. Give me that drink. Why when he comes back with the drink my drink is not in the glass that he showed me and told me it would come in, but in the fucking glass that I did not want?

[QUOTE=Cbear13;2001889]Good question I have been wondering this also. Can't wait to hear this.[/QUOTE]Cbear, is there really any real need to regurgitate a whole lengthy story which is the next story down. All you said was "good question". Try snipping and cutting to the chase vis "Can you guys fill me in on how a trip to AC would fit into my next jaunt to Asia"? Just a helpful suggestion to prevent a thread getting filled with unnecessary repeats.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2002050]Actually the incidence of street crime is higher in Pattaya than it is in Angeles. Just read Thai Visa or Pattaya Daily News and everyday you will see someone's gold chain getting snatched, wallet getting stolen, someone getting accosted by a ladyboy, or beat up by bar staff. If you are really lucky you will see a passenger taking a swing from a taxi driver's sword or machete. Actually I think a taxi driver pulled a knife on a family the other day for closing the luggage compartment too hard.
Maybe they can talk in English, but communicate is an entirely different ball game. The results are in for the Dumb as Rocks on planet Earth category. After a dead heat between the Dumbminicans and Filipinos, the Filipinos win it. It was not enough to take the title last year when me and my girlfriend were at a resort in Cebu and I ordered a grilled cheese and the lady told me that they did not have grilled cheese, only grilled ham and cheese. But with this most recent incident they were able to win the trophy.

The week before last me and my girlfriend were in Boracay and decided to have 1 last drink before we had to leave. We went over to a beach bar and I ordered a drink but wanted to be sure it would not come in that conical martini glass so I asked the waiter which glass it comes in. He went to the bar and came back and muttered something. I said no and pointing to my eye said let me see the glass it will come in. He goes to the bar and comes back once again but this time with a highball glass. I said perfect. Give me that drink. Why when he comes back with the drink my drink is not in the glass that he showed me and told me it would come in, but in the fucking glass that I did not want?[/QUOTE]I didn't know that about Pattaya, and had always assumed, even during several visits there, that it was fairly safe. So maybe there's a tie in the danger department.

I instances of communications failure that you recounted are funny and we've all run into them. On the other hand, I've also have some great surprises, finding girls who were not only intelligent, but whose English was quite good. So in that case, I suppose it's all in the luck of the draw.

GE.

Mr E,

With due respect where do you get your supposed facts on Pattaya being more dangerous than AC.

Have you some official statistics to back this up? I have never seen any and I and most guys I know would totally disagree with your claims.

While I fully agree with you that petty crime in pattaya is reported regularly one has to look at the time these incidents are happening, to whom, where they are and what they are wearing, as you will agree most gold snatches / ladyboy disputes. Guys getting slapped by the mamasun for not paying their bill all happen in the wee hours of the morning with most punters drunk or out walking in areas while wearing 1000's of baht in gold necklaces or walking alone down soi 6/1 at 3 am looking for guys in dresses to give one a blow job.

As I have always said pattaya is as safe as one wants to make it, its the punters choice, with some minor care most situations are totally avoidable.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2002050]
Maybe they can talk in English, but communicate is an entirely different ball game. The results are in for the Dumb as Rocks on planet Earth category. After a dead heat between the Dumbminicans and Filipinos, the Filipinos win it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the humorous examples / comic relief, Mr. E! Girls from both areas have some street smarts but as I and others have said before we don't date them for their brains. I'll take sweet and sexy over IQ any day and twice on Sunday. For semi-intelligent conversation in both countries one must either dumb it down with copious amounts of beer or engage in conversation with other Westerners or both.

Thanks for the 8 tips, GB. Number 9 if you are an American military veteran go to Legion Post 123 to swap war stories / bullshit with the guys, drink and eat. The have a music jam session Sunday afternoons if you're into that. Good bunch of guys. Subic is always a great diversion, too. Love the floating bar and hoorhouse there off Treasure Island. Cheers. QUOTE=GreenBud;2002044.

Angeles is a good option for a stop if you are hopping around SE Asia. See. QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2002050]Why when he comes back with the drink my drink is not in the glass that he showed me and told me it would come in, but in the fucking glass that I did not want?[/QUOTE]Well, I can tell you where I come from, you might get the drink in the glass you demanded, along with some foreign material from the toilet or other orifice! LOL

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2002129]I instances of communications failure that you recounted are funny and we've all run into them. On the other hand, I've also have some great surprises, finding girls who were not only intelligent, but whose English was quite good. So in that case, I suppose it's all in the luck of the draw.[/QUOTE]IMHO, language abilities do not necessarily reflect intelligence. They can just spread and express their ignorance and naivety better. The one thing I realized is that men and women, in general, just think differently. It is amusing to see similarities in the thought process of women separated by an ocean or a land mass for some people. I was showing the girls the K Gains videos.

Thanks to all who responded to my question with so many details. You enlightened me on some things as well as confirmed some of my suspicions. I'm sure other members will appreciate the input from all contributors, as I did.

And I think most understand my concerns. What else is in the "package" besides mongering? At my age I can pop once, maybe twice a day. I get anxious to do something different. Fortunately, the places I've visited offered other things to see and do during my sexual "downtime". We all know why Thailand attracts an awful lot of tourists each year for a reason. Its a hard destination to beat. And if you like Thai food, as much as I do, you can have it for breakfast, lunch and dinner (which I did).

But, you don't hear people raving about Filipino food, do you? That's not a deal breaker. You don't hear them raving about German food, either. But, Berlin makes up for it by having an awesome selection of mongering opportunities as well as lots of things to do in the city. History, nightlife, flea markets, culture, Currywurst and Doner Kebabs galore! The superb national, public transport network makes day trips to neighboring cities (and countries) fast and easy. There is no sunny beach in Berlin, but a shitload of brothels and an abundance of freelancers who are among the best in the world.

Again, there's the whole package to look at. I think you understand how I am trying to evaluate Angeles City in context to other places. And that just gave me an idea, guys. I will try to contrive a metric formula for rating mongering destinations on mongering opportunities and quality of other distractions. PM if you have suggestions on that.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2002293]At my age I can pop once, maybe twice a day. I get anxious to do something different. Fortunately, the places I've visited offered other things to see and do during my sexual "downtime". We all know why Thailand attracts an awful lot of tourists each year for a reason. Its a hard destination to beat. And if you like Thai food, as much as I do, you can have it for breakfast, lunch and dinner (which I did).

But, you don't hear people raving about Filipino food, do you? That's not a deal breaker. You don't hear them raving about German food, either. But, Berlin makes up for it by having an awesome selection of mongering opportunities as well as lots of things to do in the city. History, nightlife, flea markets, culture, Currywurst and Doner Kebabs galore! The superb national, public transport network makes day trips to neighboring cities (and countries) fast and easy. There is no sunny beach in Berlin, but a shitload of brothels and an abundance of freelancers who are among the best in the world.[/QUOTE]You brought up an interesting point, another poster was complaining about a runner. Think his plan was one pop, sleep and pop again. I suspect some girls might prefer more than that. Hence they would rather bail and scratch that itch. Just my suspicion.

As for food, I totally agree. I love Thai and the occasional German heart clogging fare. PI has their Lapu Lapu and chicken adobo. Think the current or past White House cook is a PI lady.

The down side of some other areas is really the language. It is good therapy for me to talk. But I prefer to know that at least they can hear me and understand a little, Some of the girls also have very interesting stories.

If you pick up a PI GF, you can get through her some amazing deals at resorts.

[QUOTE=DCups;2002202]Thanks for the 8 tips, GB. Number 9 if you are an American military veteran go to Legion Post 123 to swap war stories / bullshit with the guys, drink and eat. The have a music jam session Sunday afternoons if you're into that. Good bunch of guys. Subic is always a great diversion, too. Love the floating bar and hoorhouse there off Treasure Island. Cheers. QUOTE=GreenBud;2002044.

Angeles is a good option for a stop if you are hopping around SE Asia. See. QUOTE].[/QUOTE]Man,

Is the Legion still open? That's good news. Used to be located on Macarthur just past BOC, but that was a lifetime ago. Where are you guys located now?

Cheers!

OM.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2002293]Thanks to all who responded to my question with so many details. You enlightened me on some things as well as confirmed some of my suspicions. I'm sure other members will appreciate the input from all contributors, as I did.

And I think most understand my concerns. What else is in the "package" besides mongering? At my age I can pop once, maybe twice a day. I get anxious to do something different.

Again, there's the whole package to look at. I think you understand how I am trying to evaluate Angeles City in context to other places. And that just gave me an idea, guys. I will try to contrive a metric formula for rating mongering destinations on mongering opportunities and quality of other distractions. PM if you have suggestions on that.[/QUOTE]Cross-cultural comparisons, particularly between East and West, are at best difficult as the gestalts are so totally different. In my case, for example, I spent years in Paris, and if I dwelled on the differences between Parisian or French culture and that of the Philippines, I would have left here years ago. It's been my experience that Westerners who try to come here to live, and who constantly immerse themselves in recurrent comparisons between the Philippines and wherever they've come from, ultimately fail to adjust, become miserable, and leave. If however, you can accept this place on its own terms; if you can learn to judge it by a different metric, it becomes much more enjoyable.

If you want to compare Thailand and the Philippines in terms of externals--infrastructure, cuisine, public transportation, for example--the Philippines wouldn't stand up well. It lags behind Thailand on almost every "objective" dimension other than corruption, where on the latest "Transparency International" index, the Philippines actually placed one step above Thailand. For me, it's the intangibles that enable me to enjoy the place, and the biggest intangible is the people. Filipinos are, in my opinion, among the friendliest, most gracious and hospitable humans on the face of the planet, and their ready acceptance of foreigners goes a long way for me. I've had the chance, because of my work here, to travel to places that most foreigners will never see and to work with Filipinos from a very broad spectrum of the society and I'm the richer for it. I don't believe that Thai culture is nearly as accessible to foreigners. Succinctly stated, even a casual tourist can, with a modicum of effort, get to know individual Filipinos, while the same is not, in my experience, true in Thailand.

GE.

When I arrived earlier this week my regular driver was not available to pick me up. I have always just used our company contracted rate of P500 for him to wait for me and take me directly to my accom.

I was prepared to wait and play hard to get with the taxi scouts. Turns out there is now a published price for each hotel. My price was P350. I was expecting P500.

I guess our regular driver might be in for a price review.

BD.

I think you have a really good point, it is almost impossible to compare different cultures in that sense. And in my opinion as well, what is the idea. Enjoying the differences and learn from it, take the best from their and mix it with your own. And an additional point, some lake apple and some like banana, all about preferences. Beside that, enjoy every moment as it was your last.

Chico.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2002293]Thanks to all who responded to my question with so many details. You enlightened me on some things as well as confirmed some of my suspicions. I'm sure other members will appreciate the input from all contributors, as I did.

And I think most understand my concerns. What else is in the "package" besides mongering? At my age I can pop once, maybe twice a day. I get anxious to do something different. Fortunately, the places I've visited offered other things to see and do during my sexual "downtime". We all know why Thailand attracts an awful lot of tourists each year for a reason. Its a hard destination to beat. And if you like Thai food, as much as I do, you can have it for breakfast, lunch and dinner (which I did).

But, you don't hear people raving about Filipino food, do you? That's not a deal breaker. You don't hear them raving about German food, either. But, Berlin makes up for it by having an awesome selection of mongering opportunities as well as lots of things to do in the city. History, nightlife, flea markets, culture, Currywurst and Doner Kebabs galore!...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2002050] I ordered a drink but wanted to be sure it would not come in that conical martini glass so I asked the waiter which glass it comes in. He went to the bar and came back and muttered something. I said no and pointing to my eye said let me see the glass it will come in. He goes to the bar and comes back once again but this time with a highball glass. I said perfect. Give me that drink. Why when he comes back with the drink my drink is not in the glass that he showed me and told me it would come in, but in the fucking glass that I did not want?[/QUOTE]I took a cultural seminar with Filipinos and we discussed the annoying aspects of our respective cultures. Filipinos complained that westerners plan ahead too much.

In your anecdote, the barkeep may have believed that with the different size glasses, you were trying to get a larger portion than you were entitled to. The unsophisticated traveler has a few encounters and forms a generalization which is applied to the country at large. I would not say that you are unsophisticated but you may be frustrated. Me too. These poor food servers here in the PI don't seem to understand that I want my food served hot. More than once the waitress delayed serving me because she wanted the food to cool down a little before she brought it to me.

I have been playing chess my whole life. Once in a while I will play with one of the Pinoy guys who play with friends on the street. I am sure you have seen them gathered around a game. I don't gamble so no threat of being scammed. I have never won a game on the mean streets of the PI and I play respectably well. Some people think that chess is a sign of intelligence.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2002393]I took a cultural seminar with Filipinos and we discussed the annoying aspects of our respective cultures. Filipinos complained that westerners plan ahead too much. *****

I have been playing chess my whole life. Once in a while I will play with one of the Pinoy guys who play with friends on the street. I am sure you have seen them gathered around a game. I don't gamble so no threat of being scammed. I have never won a game on the mean streets of the PI and I play respectably well. Some people think that chess is a sign of intelligence.[/QUOTE]Pompe,

Two seemingly inconsistent comments, which of course can be harmonized.

We now also have two new alternate lines for Jim Croce's refrain:

"You don't tug on Superman's cape / You don't spit into the wind / You don't pull the mask of the old Lone Ranger / and you don't:

(A). Play chess on the mean streets of Phils.

(B). Play pool for money with Efrem Reyes.

Grin!

OM.

[QUOTE=Chicobarca;2002377] ***** And an additional point, some like banana *****

Chico.[/QUOTE]In days of yore, in the predecessor club to Angel Witch, there were several girls who offered superb BJ skills. When asked, one of these girls confessed that they had been trained by a bakla, and their training tool (pun intended) was a * banana.

Cheers!

OM.

P.S. This was not the club in question, but does anyone else remember the old Fire Empire?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2002370]Cross-cultural comparisons, particularly between East and West, are at best difficult as the gestalts are so totally different. In my case, for example, I spent years in Paris, and if I dwelled on the differences between Parisian or French culture and that of the Philippines, I would have left here years ago. It's been my experience that Westerners who try to come here to live, and who constantly immerse themselves in recurrent comparisons between the Philippines and wherever they've come from, ultimately fail to adjust, become miserable, and leave. If however, you can accept this place on its own terms; if you can learn to judge it by a different metric, it becomes much more enjoyable.
GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input, and I understand where you are coming from. I just back from the Dominican Republic for the first time. I was forewarned on what to expect and there were no unpleasant surprises, as a result. I realized when I arrived, I would need to do things at a much slower pace, and not to expect immediate results. And sure enough, things didn't work like they were supposed to half the time. The WiFi in one hotel was weak and intermittent. The hot water in another hotel was non-existent. People were aggressively trying to hustle you, and cheat you in some cases. In other cases, people didn't give a fuck if you were supposed to be a paying customer. Despite all its warts, I became charmed by the DR, and its accepted the fact it is a different place, and probably shouldn't be compared with Colombia (where people are more conscientious and things work right about 80% of the time). I understand why so many ex-pats have embraced the place. And yes, the Dominican girls are definitely an acquired taste. But, it only took about 15 minutes in my hotel room for me to acquire it. Yes, I agree that you have to experience a place on its own terms to fully appreciate it.

But, my idea for a mongering index was a way for the person who has limited time and money (like most people), to determine where they should spend X amount of money and travel X number of hours in order to have a mongering experience. If you have lived in America, you will understand how difficult it can be to get time off (my trip to Thailand was postponed 8 months thanks to the indolence of a scheduling manager for my unit. She was interestingly enough, a Filipina, and like most Filipinas I have met in America, a horrible person.) Time off is a precious thing. However, I can say now that it was well worth the 26 hour flight, only to arrive in Bangkok two days later. And that is what I am trying to metricize. But, by no means make a all-encompassing rating on an entire culture. What we want to do here is help the monger judge what they get for the time and money expended for the trip.

Note that I made some trip reports while I was still in Thailand, and indicated that a few of the girls I engaged, were average in looks. This drew the ire of one BM who asked why I went all the way to Thailand if I wasn't going to screw the most beautiful women. I responded that they are more things of interest in Thailand besides the women. I pointed out that if I merely wanted to screw beautiful women, I could have done it cheaper and easier by flying down to Medellin. But, there are many things in Thailand that you won't find in Medellin (or the Western Hemisphere altogether). Hence, my proposed index tries to gauge a location on a variety of merits beyond the girls. Note that the actual sexual factors only make up 37% of the score. But, this can be tweaked.

Here is what I have gotten so far: 8 factors, equally weighted, on a scale of 1 to 10.

1) Quantity of working girls (% of general population or sheer volume in red light areas).

2) Quality (ethnic variety, looks, professionalism, variety of sex acts that are accessible).

3) Average price for short time (an inverse rating, where the lower price gets a higher rating).

4) Cost of lodging (another inverse rating, as lodging can or cannot be the primary travel expense depending on the location).

5) Quality of lodging (Are the hotels usually "guest friendly" and is it oriented towards the needs of mongers).

6) Food & beverage (Is the food acceptable or is the place a culinary destination? Does good alcohol flow cheaply and easily?

7) Transportation and accessibility (Is it easy to access from an international airport? Is the public transport good? Can you get out to other places easily?

8) Attractions & distractions (What else is there to do besides monger? Is it easy to access and is it affordable?

Now, add up you score for each category and divide it by 8. The quotient is your rating.

Anybody interested? Willing to bite? Rank Angeles City for me, and then rank Pattaya or Bangkok if you have been there, as well. Heck, rank any other city in the world you have mongered in. Come on. It will be fun.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2002393]I took a cultural seminar with Filipinos and we discussed the annoying aspects of our respective cultures. Filipinos complained that westerners plan ahead too much.

In your anecdote, the barkeep may have believed that with the different size glasses, you were trying to get a larger portion than you were entitled to. The unsophisticated traveler has a few encounters and forms a generalization which is applied to the country at large. I would not say that you are unsophisticated but you may be frustrated. Me too. These poor food servers here in the PI don't seem to understand that I want my food served hot. More than once the waitress delayed serving me because she wanted the food to cool down a little before she brought it to me.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I think the situation is probably more basic. The bar tender has a manager or supervisor. Most food establishments have strict rules. If the guy deviates, he could lose his job. It could be as simple as a generous pour to using the wrong glasses; and a customer or someone complains. There are usually people waiting in line for the job.

Unfortunately many foreigners are brash, abrasive and just out right assholes. They know they can get away with it in a third world country. In their home countries, someone would straighten them out. Especially since staff are usually the ones dishing out the abuse! It is not amazing why some foreigners get their "dues" and end up in unfortunate places. At great risk to myself, I have actually intervened in some situations, and have weapons drawn against me, by the foreigner.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2002041]No need to BS a story. Just tell them right off that you want to fuck (unless telling the story is part of your own fantasy). Also I would settle on a price before telling them which hotel I was in. When they find out you can afford to stay at the most expensive place in town they will not mind charging you more to fuck.

P. S. Coming right over has nothing to do with mentioning LG![/QUOTE]I think his point was he flucked for free.

Yes, it's open. I forget the address but you can google it. Most taxis and trikes know where it is. About 10 minutes from Fields.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2002365]Man,

Is the Legion still open? That's good news. Used to be located on Macarthur just past BOC, but that was a lifetime ago. Where are you guys located now?

Cheers!

OM.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;2002609]Yes, it's open. I forget the address but you can google it. Most taxis and trikes know where it is. About 10 minutes from Fields.

.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to VFW? [URL]http://www.vfwpost2485.com/[/URL].

Food is good there too.

There is another one: Post 123 that I have been to (not 2485).

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2002763]Are you referring to VFW? [URL]http://www.vfwpost2485.com/[/URL].

Food is good there too.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Robbaf;2002473]I think his point was he flucked for free.[/QUOTE]Think that went over my head. Too much planning and acting. I usually down play such things because you become a target. NYC rules die hard.

[QUOTE=DCups;2002766]There is another one: Post 123 that I have been to (not 2485)..[/QUOTE]Right, they are two different US military retiree organizations. American Legion (Post 123) versus Veterans of Foreign Wars (Post 2485). VFW Post 2485 is the larger and more active of the two. The VFW canteen (restaurant), which is on Pinatubo Street, is open to the public and run by the same restaurateur who owns Puzzle's Cafe. Nothing fancy, but basic American chow at fairly inexpensive prices. A bit similar to Rumpa. Until DC's post, hadn't realized American Legion Post 123 was still open.

OM.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1997857]Dang it Mr. E. What hotel is asking for girls' IDs?[/QUOTE]Can you clear your box please.

Thank you.

Message me,

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BushRusher;2002780]Think that went over my head. Too much planning and acting. I usually down play such things because you become a target. NYC rules die hard.[/QUOTE]Agree, karma hopefully will catch up with him soon.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2002150]Mr E,

With due respect where do you get your supposed facts on Pattaya being more dangerous than AC.

Have you some official statistics to back this up? I have never seen any and I and most guys I know would totally disagree with your claims.

While I fully agree with you that petty crime in pattaya is reported regularly one has to look at the time these incidents are happening, to whom, where they are and what they are wearing, as you will agree most gold snatches / ladyboy disputes. Guys getting slapped by the mamasun for not paying their bill all happen in the wee hours of the morning with most punters drunk or out walking in areas while wearing 1000's of baht in gold necklaces or walking alone down soi 6/1 at 3 am looking for guys in dresses to give one a blow job.

As I have always said pattaya is as safe as one wants to make it, its the punters choice, with some minor care most situations are totally avoidable.[/QUOTE]You forgot to add the female Russian tourists who seem to get their purses snatched every week.

"He said he had been ordered by the national police HQ to stop crime against tourists. "
[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/970104-happy-zone-is-the-answer-to-resorts-woes-says-top-cop-at-pattaya*crisis-meeting-on-crime-and-tourism/?utm_source=newsletter-20170222-1342&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/URL]

Maybe the 35 police presence points that they are setting up around the city says something about there being more crime against tourists in Pattaya than in AC.

I know a member of this board whose chain almost got snatched. And no he was not walking down a dark alley full of ladyboys and drunk at 3 am. It was the afternoon and he was driving down the main highway on his bike with his girlfriend when 2 guys on another motorbike pulled up and decided they could put his chain to better use. Luckily for him the clasp broke and the necklace fell down in his shirt. Being from Chicago and a military veteran this guy is no punk.

One could argue that it is irrelevant the who, when, and where, but the fact that whatever happens is what makes a place considered dangerous. Neither a bank nor a dark alley is dangerous until the robber or thief holding a weapon shows up.

Personally, I do not see Pattaya or AC as dangerous. I do not scare as easily as many people and being from the ghetto I guess I am indifferent to what many would consider dangerous. In the Medellin, Colombia thread people say how dangerous downtown is and definitely to be out of there by nightfall. Well I stay downtown and once wrote a report where I walked around at night filming and taking pictures of dope fiends with my Samsung flagship phone. Nothing happened. Nobody attacked me; nobody tried to steal my phone.

For the record I have been living in Pattaya for 7 years and nothing has ever happened to me here either. I also lived in the City of God (maybe you have seen the movie) neighborhood with my ex-girlfriend in Rio de Janeiro. Never a scratch nor a worry. Maybe I am just lucky or a fool or maybe even both.

"Yet Again Expat Stabbed Inured
Foreigner was assaulted injured by group of Thai men in Pattaya."
[url]http://pattayadailynews.com/yet-again-expat-stabbed-inured/[/url]

PATTAYA February 22,2017 [PattayaDailyNews]; at 10.30am Pol Col Apichai Krobpetch, chief of Pattaya police station, led a team of police to arrest Mr Narunart Kunman aged 29 who attacked Mr Okamoto Naoya aged 23 from Japan injured. The incident took place in Bakadin restaurant in South Pattaya.

Pol Col Apichai revealed that Mr Okamoto was eating in the restaurant then the attacker walked into the restaurant and hit the victim with bottle before he ran away.

Has anyone ever been sitting in Margarita Station, Phillies, or Kokomo's eating and a Pinoy just walks in and clocks them with a bottle? LOL. That is why Pattaya is more dangerous!

Mr E,

As I have said you have no official statistics to confirm that Angeles is in fact safer than Pattaya.

If your claims were in the slightest true how do you explain that every convenience store in Angeles has armed guards, every small / large bar, every small / large hotel, every mall, most ATM machines, I have even seen an armed guard outside a barbers shop of all things, do you see this on the streets of Pattaya, no you do not, why, because the crime rate is much lower and the relevant establishments in Pattaya do not see a need for them unlike in Angeles where small armies are hired with enough automatic weapons to start a small war to try to keep the scum from killing and robbing them and visitors blind.

As of your claims that fights do not happen in Angeles nothing could be further from the truth, Of course fights happen in Angeles, pinoys just love to kick the crap out of foreigners for even the silliest of things, especially when drink and drugs are involved, if in doubt just think back to the gang of pinoy Dollhouse doormen who put a foreigner in a coma not so long ago for no reason at all.

As for serious crimes, never forget Paul Raymond Atkins was shot then robbed in broad daylight on perimeter road for just a $10 phone, that is only one example of a whole list of guys.

Think of the pinoy who shot dead 6-7 foreigners in cold blood while attending their residences to do odd jobs.

Have we forgotten the scum police only very recently who tried to extort very large sums of money out of a Korean and when he could not or would not pay was murdered in cold blood by guys (police) that are paid to protect people.

Can not in my 30 odd years of living in Thailand remember any tourist being shot dead in any street robbery for his belongings in Pattaya or any Pattaya police officers murdering a tourist over extortion and greed or any other reason.

Until your post I did not know about 2485. Thanks, OM.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2002796]. Until DC's post, hadn't realized American Legion Post 123 was still open.

OM.[/QUOTE].

I may or may have not slammed one of those idiots selling cigarettes, Viagra, cialis. Only so many times I'm going to tell you no and go away. He thought it was a joke. This was next to viking bar. Too many pan handlers. Too much fake shit. Tourist police should limit them.

No is no, not keep asking.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2003382]
As for serious crimes, never forget Paul Raymond Atkins was shot then robbed in broad daylight on perimeter road for just a $10 phone. [/QUOTE]I think the murder took place near Garfields around 1 AM. Absolutely terrible. I believe he was living in AC and not a tourist. He may have resisted his attackers. AC is an extra dangerous place in the PI. I would not take on unnecessary risks there like immoderate drinking, being alone on deserted streets in the wee hours, picking up girls on the street, and pissing people off.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2003492]I think the murder took place near Garfields around 1 AM. Absolutely terrible. I believe he was living in AC and not a tourist. He may have resisted his attackers. AC is an extra dangerous place in the PI. I would not take on unnecessary risks there like immoderate drinking, being alone on deserted streets in the wee hours, picking up girls on the street, and pissing people off.[/QUOTE]Pompetus,

You might be confusing Paul Atkins murder with one of the other many murders.

Paul was a good friend, he was not an expat but a tourist, he was shot dead in broad daylight up past lost in Asia bar.

Yes he might have resisted but then again he might have not, the police and papers said at the time that there was no sign of a struggle or any blow marks on Paul indicating he was ambushed shot dead first and then robbed.

What stands out is that there is some real scum roaming the streets of Angeles who are willing to pull the trigger for all of $10, no wonder the president recently ordered the killing of thousands of drug addicted pinoy scum, only way to clear them out IMHO.

Here is an interesting link to a list of recent murders in Angeles for those who might be thinking all is safe [URL]https://harrythehorse.asia/post/slow-justice[/URL].

What strikes me as most interesting is that almost all remain unsolved with the police taking little interest in clearing up these murders.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2003492]I think the murder took place near Garfields around 1 AM. Absolutely terrible. I believe he was living in AC and not a tourist. He may have resisted his attackers. ......[/QUOTE]I don't think he resisted the attackers. They sneak up at your back and shoot ya in the back of the head. You do not know its going to happen. Believe that happened to victim in this case too. Happened to the guy leaving Norma's exchange too, back of the head. Hard to avoid, unless your looking around your back all the time. In and out of Perimeter Rd before sundown, is the best M. O.

Earlier this month I had a few days in AC, which I have been doing about this time of year for a few years now. I flew with Qatar Airways, in order to fly right into Clark, unfortunately it all went wrong in Doha when I missed the connection due to late arrival. Its the first time I tried that flight, and coming from a 50 minute delayed departure at London (not uncommon these days), the transfer time of 45 minutes was obviously a problem. Anyway Qatar airways looked after the 13 of us pretty well, and offered choice of the same flight following day, or Manila and bus transfer 7 hours later same day. So we took that, and finally arrived at Clark 12 hours late. I had cancelled my airport pick up to Queens Hotel, but was able to get a drop off, as the "bus transfer" from Manila turned into a fleet of 7 seater taxis with 3 - 4 in each. So finally out on the street about 10 pm. Met a cutie on the street near 7-11 store beyond Margerita Station and took her back. Turned out when we got to the room she had started her mens, so I sent her away and took her number for later in the week. Turned out her number was already in my phone from a previous visit! Small world! Found another from wechat who wanted to bring her friend, I said no just one, but they both came anyway, then I had a call from reception saying there was another one there and I could only have 2 joiners in the room! All got a bit confusing and I ended up sending them all away. I tried to get the first one back on here own as she had really nice figure, but didn't manage it.

Following afternoon I took another wechat girl who was really good, fabulous BJ and really did it for me. I had a PL date lined up for the evening, so sent the afternoon delight on her way and took a rest. I kept her number and promised to see her after my planned visit to Subic, later in the week.

I had planned to meet up with BrainDrain, but we were not in contact, so unfortunately had to miss that one. Sorry BD! Anyway PL date arrived, really lovely girl, sweet nature and really sexy, 20 years old. She has a kid but had made arrangements to stay all night and she did just that. We had a great time and when she left in the morning I promised to see her again on my return from Subic, I planned to save her for my last night in AC.

So off to Subic on Swaggy bus!

I returned to AC from Subic with Southern Cross shuttle, which picked me up at Wild Orchid Resort in Balloy Beach and dropped me at the end of the street where the Central Park Tower is located. 500 pesos, good service. Bit early at CPT as my room wasn't ready. Check in time is 2 pm and I was there about 12.30, so no complaints. I left my bags and went off to have lunch at Gossips on Walking Street. Lovely waitress with a great ass, I wanted her there and then, but she resisted my advances! Anyway, back to CPT and moved in. My Sunday afternoon girl ahd been pestering me to come around as soon as I got back, so I told her to come round, and her mens had just started! Not my week, she was the 4th in a week! I went back to the trusty wechat and found a willing partner for dinner and all night. I met her at the hotel door at 8, really pretty girl with (apparently) huge boobs, and took her up to the top floor for dinner. Strange how some of these girls order enough food to feed an army! So we had a nice meal, she was of course impressed with the roof deck restaurant and pool, and we did a few pics. Eventually she decided she could not eat all the food she'd ordered (and asked for a doggy bag for the rest! Fine by me. So back to the room, and down to the serious business, when she took off her bra, there was hardly anything there! The bra was not just padded, it was almost completely foam! No problem for me, I like small boobs and she had a great figure, slim and trim. We had a great night together, and she left in the morning about 11. I took her down to the door, so she didn't have to take the walk of shame to the reception, either coming in or leaving. Took some rest in the afternoon, with a plan to meet up with Chrisde99 who was arriving in AC later. We decided to eat at Phillies, followed up with a bit of barhopping. I haven't often had company in AC, and don't like to barhop alone, so that was a great experience. Didn't feel inspired to BF anyone, so we went home alone. Fast forward to Sunday afternoon, Chrisde99 wanted to take me to Nifty's bar on Perimeter Road, or actually just off it near the Boomerang Hotel. A small bar, bit scruffy, but contains some really horny girls, who pounce on you as soon as you enter. They are all over you, touchy feely, lovely afternoon delight. A real revelation, finally found some excitement in a bar! A piece of advice from Chrisde99 was for me to try Levitra. This is the latest and greatest in the Viagra. Cialis range. We called in at the Southern Drug Store (formally Mansion Drug) near the 7-11 store, where I bought a pack of 4 x 20 MG tablets. Best to start with a quarter or half, maximum. The effect is quite impressive, lasting after 1 hour for at least 24 hours, and no obvious side effects, and a rod as stiff as iron! Lovely. Back to the CPT for a visit from my PL girl, again a great all nighter and I was able to do her proud thanks to my new found friend! Paid her with a nice tip in the morning and took her down to the door again, just out of respect. A lovely girl, I will return for her. That's it, check out and off to Clark for the Singapore flight!

[QUOTE=Threadbare;2003870], but they both came anyway, then I had a call from reception saying there was another one there and I could only have 2 joiners in the room! All got a bit confusing and I ended up sending them all away. I tried to get the first one back on here own as she had really nice figure, but didn't manage it.
[/QUOTE]Yes, it gets busy in the AC social scene. Your statement here is so true for me, I'm trying to optimise my time so I always have a girl on hand. It's a crazy life we lead. Would be interesting to know if we are hitting on the same PL girls.

Harry the Horse is a pseudonym for a long time New York expat who is the driving force behind the eponymous monthly newsletter. Harry is also the owner of the Blue Boar Inn which is an expat pool bar and hotel. You cannot claim expertise to Angeles's la dolce vita until you have paid a visit to the Blue Boar but it is hard to find. It is located out on perimeter road set back from the flat iron intersection when you go to the VFW. Incidentally, reading the newsletter is de rigeur for all Balibagaňos in the know.

I guess I got some of it wrong when I reported about Paul Atkins. I first read about it in Harry the Horse's November 2011 newsletter. Harry seems to say it happened sometime prior to 1:30 AM and the body was found near Garfield's.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2004040]Harry the Horse is a pseudonym for a long time New York expat who is the driving force behind the eponymous monthly newsletter. Harry is also the owner of the Blue Boar Inn which is an expat pool bar and hotel. You cannot claim expertise to Angeles's la dolce vita until you have paid a visit to the Blue Boar but it is hard to find. It is located out on perimeter road set back from the flat iron intersection when you go to the VFW. Incidentally, reading the newsletter is de rigeur for all Balibagaňos in the know.

I guess I got some of it wrong when I reported about Paul Atkins. I first read about it in Harry the Horse's November 2011 newsletter. Harry seems to say it happened sometime prior to 1:30 AM and the body was found near Garfield's.[/QUOTE]Yes, "Jimmy the (D)". Once stayed at his stable many years ago. It was close to the VFW. Think Jimmy has been in declining health and sold HTH to a third party a couple of years ago?

As I recall, Atkins was a British tourist who, about 5 or 6 years ago, was found dead, reportedly in a dark alley with his wallet and other valuables missing. Of course, the perps were never found. Many expat killings in the Philippines are unsolved crimes.

About a decade earlier, a genial Australian businessman, Owen Dolan, who had lived and worked in Angeles for a couple of decades, was killed. At the time, Owen was the manager of the Phoenix Hotel. Before that, Owen had owned and run a bar adjacent to the Clarkton. Reportedly, Owen returned home one night from the Phoenix Hotel, and surprised 3 burglars, who stabbed him repeatedly. Owen was taken to a local hospital and, reportedly, seemed to be recovering and planning to return home when he suddenly took a turn for the worse and died in the hospital.

Inept (or non-existent) medical care is a leading cause of death worldwide. Angeles certainly has its share of inept doctors and lethal hospitals.

OM.

P.S. There was some thought at the time that the 3 burglars might not have been random, but might have been "hired". By the way, the price of a "hit" in Angeles is reportedly somewhere south of P5,000. It is generally prudent to be courteous and low profile. Of course, that doesn't help if you are in "the wrong place at the wrong time." See short story "Appointment in Samarra". Think it was penned by W. Somerset Maugham? There is a similar Chinese story. The gist of which is that, when it is your time, Death will not be denied.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2002041]No need to BS a story. Just tell them right off that you want to fuck (unless telling the story is part of your own fantasy). Also I would settle on a price before telling them which hotel I was in. When they find out you can afford to stay at the most expensive place in town they will not mind charging you more to fuck.

P. S. Coming right over has nothing to do with mentioning LG![/QUOTE]Haha, you are right on every count!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2002441]Thanks for your input, and I understand where you are coming from. I just back from the Dominican Republic for the first time. I was forewarned on what to expect and there were no unpleasant surprises, as a result. I realized when I arrived, I would need to do things at a much slower pace, and not to expect immediate results. And sure enough, things didn't work like they were supposed to half the time. The WiFi in one hotel was weak and intermittent. The hot water in another hotel was non-existent. People were aggressively trying to hustle you, and cheat you in some cases. In other cases, people didn't give a fuck if you were supposed to be a paying customer. Despite all its warts, I became charmed by the DR, and its accepted the fact it is a different place, and probably shouldn't be compared with Colombia (where people are more conscientious and things work right about 80% of the time). I understand why so many ex-pats have embraced the place. And yes, the Dominican girls are definitely an acquired taste. But, it only took about 15 minutes in my hotel room for me to acquire it. Yes, I agree that you have to experience a place on its own terms to fully appreciate it.

But, my idea for a mongering index was a way for the person who has limited time and money (like most people), to determine where they should spend X amount of money and travel X number of hours in order to have a mongering experience. If you have lived in America, you will understand how difficult it can be to get time off (my trip to Thailand was postponed 8 months thanks to the indolence of a scheduling manager for my unit. She was interestingly enough, a Filipina, and like most Filipinas I have met in America, a horrible person.) Time off is a precious thing. However, I can say now that it was well worth the 26 hour flight, only to arrive in Bangkok two days later. And that is what I am trying to metricize. But, by no means make a all-encompassing rating on an entire culture. What we want to do here is help the monger judge what they get for the time and money expended for the trip.

Note that I made some trip reports while I was still in Thailand, and indicated that a few of the girls I engaged, were average in looks. This drew the ire of one BM who asked why I went all the way to Thailand if I wasn't going to screw the most beautiful women. I responded that they are more things of interest in Thailand besides the women. I pointed out that if I merely wanted to screw beautiful women, I could have done it cheaper and easier by flying down to Medellin. But, there are many things in Thailand that you won't find in Medellin (or the Western Hemisphere altogether). Hence, my proposed index tries to gauge a location on a variety of merits beyond the girls. Note that the actual sexual factors only make up 37% of the score. But, this can be tweaked..[/QUOTE]Perhaps I just don't have a mathematical mind, but to say Angeles City was 10, Rio was 8, Cuba was 7, Mexico was 5-10 depending on which girl I was with, etc, doesn't seem that useful. What does that all mean? I know a lot of people hate the Philippines and I loved it. I enjoy beauty but find enthusiasm and passion in bed more important. I know my Rio trip was impacted by a low budget and not enough time to really get to know the place. I'd rather see people's summaries on how they viewed each place. Let me give you an example, and maybe people can chime in with their own.

I haven't mongered in a long time. My last trip was in 2006- so I doubt my scales would be relevant today. When I visited the Philippines in 2006 I had more fun than in any of the other places I've visited. I got help from a friend who introduced me to a fantastic girl and she was the apple of my eye for a whole great week, one of the most fun weeks of my life. Cuba was a fascinating sociological experience and it was just as interesting to see what Late Communism was like than to fuck the girl (although it was plenty interesting and she was gorgeous, too). I have this strange tendency to stick to one girl I really fancy which probably ruins my accounts for most people. I had a lot of fun in Rio and probably had the best sex and prettiest girls, but I got short on money very fast, in part because I did under-finance my trip. When I lived in Los Angeles I went to Mexico several times. By the time I realized I really liked one specific girl, she mysteriously vanished. Darn. Most of the other girls just went through the motions but there was one who really liked me. Loved the cost-effectiveness of going to Mexico. I could do the trip for a couple hundred dollars and get laid a few times for that.

For Cuba I had the specific question of what Communism was really like. Cuba has the most interesting and romantic appearance, the decaying buildings and ancient architecture had real charm even if the impact on the people is tragic. Rio was all giant condo-like buildings. Angeles has the nutty charm of the bars trying to outdo each other in their own special cheesy way. I almost got mugged in Rio but managed to escape. Everywhere else I had no problems at all.

I'd like to try Africa because it sounds like they have the most enthusiastic sexual people and at the lowest prices. On the other hand I think Colombian girls are probably the most sexually attractive to me. I love the accents. (There are lots of them in Miami but I've never been to Colombia.) My biggest problem is that I'm terrible at languages other than English. A big virtue of the Philippines is that they speak a really dumb-down, oversimplified version of something that's enough like English that I can understand it.

Nice trip down Memory Lane. Hope some of you guys enjoyed it. If you have suggestions as to where I should visit next, send me a PM or reply here.

I had some time to kill before my airport shuttle was ready to take me back to reality.

I have previously been pissed off with Vegas Massage and even the attitude of the girls sitting around the doorway convinced me that they are not worth a repeat try.

I've written previously about a nice service at Fantasy Massage on Perimeter. So I called in again without a booking.

Girls are nice and as per last time, they have a sense of humour and fun. On the table I received 40 minutes of legitimate relaxing massage. On the flip she politely asked if I wanted her to say Hello to my brother. Once this was agreed, she positioned herself on the table, between my legs and with her legs crossed. This allowed her to prop my legs on top of hers and she settled in to complete the next 15 minutes of service. Very professional.

Cleaned up and I was on my way back to my home country.

BD.

Just finished a 2 days visit to AC. From here I will go to Boracay for a more "socially approved" vacation style.

I have never submitted a report before but I think I should just in case someone might relate to me. If you check my post from Dec 2016 you will see that I have some special needs so to speak that make me probably a non-standard visitor to places like AC.

Back to the visit itself. I stayed at Queens Hotel which strikes a perfect balance for quality for the money. Last year I stayed at ABC and while the place has to be experienced once in your lifetime, I find the location problematic (far from the heart of the action). Queens is a nice, clean and safe place. The pool area is also very nice. The restaurant decent as well. Most importantly, it is very close to Walking street. I find this very important in AC. To me, the place is so horrible outside hotels and bars, that I want to minimize the distance I have to walk. In a way this place is really perfect to mix business and pleasure. Work from the computer during the day and have sex in the evening. There is really little else one can do outside the hotel and the bar.

During this visit I went to Club Atlantis, Angel Witch and Tropix (all close to Queens hotel). Atlantis is nice and big. Lots of girls and all quite good looking. I should say that I am attracted to average feminine bodies that is to say, I don't have strict limitations on taste except obesity and / or rough appearance. Compared to Soi Cowboy in Thailand (which is the only other place I visited for adult entertainment) I was surprised to find that most girls I saw here were in fact to my taste. That being said, I ended up leaving Atlantis since I did not find a good way to make eye contact with the girls. There are three levels there. The main level is crowded and noisy. The upper two levels are more relaxed but from there is difficult to make eye contact. IN fact mamasans use laser points to give clients to pinpoint the girls they may want to chat with. Judging from my last experience is better if the girl shows an interest first in talking to you since this may avoid the possibility of barfining a girl who accepts it for the money but otherwise resent being with you.

Angel Witch was kind of a letdown. It was true I was early (8 PM) but there were few girls on stage and this is the place where I saw actually about 2-3 girls with obesity problems. The final stop where I finally got to talk to and barfine the girl for the night was Tropix. I ended up spending the whole night with that girl on her own request (my original intention was just a short time) and have a nice experience.

I made it clear from the onset before barfining her that I was not going to have penetrative sex with her but everything else was on the table (see my earlier posts). This made her quite more relaxed and the evening / night went really well. I should say that there were still weird moments since at times I had on and off erections and she probably did not understood why I was not going to have regular sex. I think she even mentioned she was clean. Which means she probably thought I avoid full intercourse because I was worried of STD's. The fact of the matter, my psychological issue does not hinders erections completely. They may appear but then subside during intercourse due to anxiety. This makes, of course, the use of condom problematic. In any case, since I was clear from the beginning that I won't have regular sex, she did not make a fuss. I am certain she still wondered but not enough to prevent us having a good time.

To be honest, I wished this whole game could be played in a more straightforward manner. If I could bypass the bar thing I would be more than happier. I don't drink and couldn't care less for the bar shenanigans. If I could simply talk to the girl and have her in the hotel that would be much better. Of course, the bar serves a purpose to actually meet the person face to face but it is still too much work for just that. I would really prefer such hobby to be completely private but that's just me.

To summarize. Between Soi Cowboy and AC, I would choose AC hands down (more and better looking girls, slightly cheaper and better communication with the girls). I never tried Pattaya in Thailand. So I might try that sometime.

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;2006902]

To be honest, I wished this whole game could be played in a more straightforward manner. If I could bypass the bar thing I would be more than happier. I don't drink and couldn't care less for the bar shenanigans. If I could simply talk to the girl and have her in the hotel that would be much better. Of course, the bar serves a purpose to actually meet the person face to face but it is still too much work for just that. I would really prefer such hobby to be completely private but that's just me.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you. I dislike the whole setup with ladies drinks, cherry girls, and hoes on the rag who will accept a drink but will not leave with you. The bar / crypto bordello in AC seems to be drawn from a Western motif which was intended to attract the US GI's who were its first customers. It is like a modified pick-up bar at home. I believe that the word "mamasan," used for the hoe supervisor, was popularized after WWII when GI's who rotated to the PI from Japan used that term.

The East Asians, on the other hand, are used to the Geisha arrangement and its KTV derivative. They do not seem to be comfortable with the climate of posturing males in a bar competing for the favors of women. Hence a major complaint of the Korean mongers is that they prearrange for the girls to leave en masse early in the evening thus depopulating the bar for the remaining Western customers. They have successfully reworked the traditional Western motif to their benefit.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2007178]I completely agree with you. I dislike the whole setup with ladies drinks, cherry girls, and hoes on the rag who will accept a drink but will not leave with you.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you prefer girls with numbers on them displayed in a fishbowl where they have to go with all comers. Can't you find that anywhere in Philippines, Angeles City?

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;2006902]I was surprised to find that most girls I saw here were in fact to my taste. That being said, I ended up leaving Atlantis since I did not find a good way to make eye contact with the girls.[/QUOTE]What is up with this? Why do you need to make eye contact and if you can't then leave the place? Either go up to the girl or get one of the waitresses to get her for you. It is that simple.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2007178]I completely agree with you. I dislike the whole setup with ladies drinks, cherry girls, and hoes on the rag who will accept a drink but will not leave with you.

SNIP

Hence a major complaint of the Korean mongers is that they prearrange for the girls to leave en masse early in the evening thus depopulating the bar for the remaining Western customers. They have successfully reworked the traditional Western motif to their benefit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2007250]What is up with this? Why do you need to make eye contact and if you can't then leave the place? Either go up to the girl or get one of the waitresses to get her for you. It is that simple.[/QUOTE]I'm in agreement with Pomp and ME. You don't need to sit, you don't need to buy a drink. Ignore the waitress, or tell her "later maybe". You can walk right up and chat directly with girls on the stage (or those lounging about the place). You can ask them anything, discuss your needs. The bar 'game' of calling a girl (who may or may not be willing to barfine) to your table to share a LD, followed by calling another girl (who may or may not be willing to barfine) to your table to share a LD, and so on is designed to drag money from your wallet and into the bar's wallet. I'm not being cheap; there are times I actually want to have a drink in a bar (ie, to watch the floor show), but its certainly not to barfine. If I wanted to be cheap I'd stick to Perimeter bars (only one visit there). I also don't care to barhop, I find the bars themselves something to avoid spending my time in (cig smoke). The idea (ala ME) is to walk in, chat up any girl with intel on who will barfine right now, chat that girl, barfine and walk out the door. The longest part of the process is when the bargirl goes in the back to change her clothes.

OTOH, I also understand that playing the 'game' all night is what some gents love to do.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2007345]The idea (ala ME) is to walk in, chat up any girl with intel on who will barfine right now, chat that girl, barfine and walk out the door. The longest part of the process is when the bargirl goes in the back to change her clothes.[/QUOTE]When I was in AC a few weeks ago I went into that first club on the right with a new guy. Is it Atlantis or Dollhouse? Whatever it was, it was huge; like entering a theater to watch a play. Me and the other monger went and sat right at the stage. We ordered drinks for us and started pointing out the girls on the stage that we liked the best. The waitresses and dancers kept asking for drinks for themselves or their coworkers, but we kept telling them no. We were in there about an hour.

When we got ready to leave I asked someone how much the barfine was for the girl on the stage who appealed most to me. She was front and center and looked like a babydoll. After reading it many times on this forum I finally heard those dreaded words. She does not barfine, only drink. I said what the fuck would I need to drink with her for? I am here to fuck. Then we walked out. Must have been one of those chicks that someone pays monthly not to go out with guys. All this time I thought it was only a myth. Glad I didn't buy any drinks before asking about the barfine!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2007371]ow much the barfine was for the girl on the stage who. She does not barfine, only drink. I said what the fuck would I need to drink with her for? walked out. Must have beenwas only a myth. Glad I didn't buy any drinks before asking about the barfine![/QUOTE]Damn straight! That drink might have set you back 4 or 5 dollars.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2007378]Damn straight! That drink might have set you back 4 or 5 dollars.[/QUOTE]I'd be a bit miffed if I bought a girl a drink only to find out she doesn't barfine (mens is one thing, but "I don't barfine" is deceptive practice). The bars have long used multiple tags (or ID's) on the girls uni. Some have been a different color or stamped with a "V". Possibly all non-barfining girls should have something that identifies them to the customers as drinks-only girls. Once again, feel free to not sit down, and feel free to ask the mama to point out all the girls that aren't barfine-able. No kidding, you won't get asked to leave. More to the point, and to save time (nobody cares about the $5, everyone cares about wasting his time), ask the mama which girls barfine and might match your needs, and let her point out some girls for you. If you're dying to by a LD, buy one for the mama the following night if her tip turned out well for you.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2007494]I'd be a bit miffed if I bought a girl a drink only to find out she doesn't barfine (mens is one thing, but "I don't barfine" is deceptive practice). The bars have long used multiple tags (or ID's) on the girls uni. Some have been a different color or stamped with a "V". Possibly all non-barfining girls should have something that identifies them to the customers as drinks-only girls. Once again, feel free to not sit down, and feel free to ask the mama to point out all the girls that aren't barfine-able. No kidding, you won't get asked to leave. More to the point, and to save time (nobody cares about the $5, everyone cares about wasting his time), ask the mama which girls barfine and might match your needs, and let her point out some girls for you. If you're dying to by a LD, buy one for the mama the following night if her tip turned out well for you.[/QUOTE]Possibly some girls will say they are on their men's or don't barfine because during the "interview" they decided they really don't want to go with you. Ouch!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2007494]I'd be a bit miffed if I bought a girl a drink only to find out she doesn't barfine (mens is one thing, but "I don't barfine" is deceptive practice). The bars have long used multiple tags (or ID's) on the girls uni. Some have been a different color or stamped with a "V". Possibly all non-barfining girls should have something that identifies them to the customers as drinks-only girls. Once again, feel free to not sit down, and feel free to ask the mama to point out all the girls that aren't barfine-able. No kidding, you won't get asked to leave. More to the point, and to save time (nobody cares about the $5, everyone cares about wasting his time), ask the mama which girls barfine and might match your needs, and let her point out some girls for you. If you're dying to by a LD, buy one for the mama the following night if her tip turned out well for you.[/QUOTE]That's the only sure way. Waitresses are so absolutely useless that most of the time they can't even point out which ones are the cherry girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2007250]What is up with this? Why do you need to make eye contact and if you can't then leave the place? Either go up to the girl or get one of the waitresses to get her for you. It is that simple.[/QUOTE]Well, you do have a point, it is that simple. It's just that I had only one bad experience with this approach. I pointed to the girl, asked mamasan to bring her to my table, asked her to go out with me, she accepted but with a lukewarm attitude. I think that girl was also very new (a different kind of issue). The experience was very bad. But to be clear, I don't actually blame her so much I blame myself for not maybe taking enough time to talk to the girl and figuring out if it is a good idea to barfine her. The problem with me is that I am not really good at all at chit chat in the bar. I am somewhat introvert I guess (though not shy). And I know that this is not about real attraction or anything. I am still a customer and she is the provider of a service. But to get back to the eye contact, I think that if the girl looks for my gaze and smiles then she is OK with the possibility of going out with me. I might be wrong (again I am not a veteran, I have only 5 pleasure trips on my "CV" so far) I do know that the best experience I had was in Thailand where a girl picked me from the onset and insisted that I would barfine her.

One thing I never did, is to go with a wingman. I only traveled solo. With a pal on the side, I suppose it is easier to taking one's time in the bar. Maybe next time.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2007494]I'd be a bit miffed if I bought a girl a drink only to find out she doesn't barfine (mens is one thing, but "I don't barfine" is deceptive practice). The bars have long used multiple tags (or ID's) on the girls uni. Some have been a different color or stamped with a "V". Possibly all non-barfining girls should have something that identifies them to the customers as drinks-only girls. Once again, feel free to not sit down, and feel free to ask the mama to point out all the girls that aren't barfine-able. No kidding, you won't get asked to leave. More to the point, and to save time (nobody cares about the $5, everyone cares about wasting his time), ask the mama which girls barfine and might match your needs, and let her point out some girls for you. If you're dying to by a LD, buy one for the mama the following night if her tip turned out well for you.[/QUOTE]In my experience in DHG bars (Atlantis, Dollhouse, Tropix etc.) when the Mama / manager lasers / calls a girl, the girls is obligated to signal drinks only with her hand if she won't barfine for whatever reason (mens, sponsor, she doesn't like you, etc.).

Also, if you ask any mama, she'll laser all "Virgins" for you ahead of time so you know who they are.

I think that all in all, though encouraging as many LDs as possible, Atlantis has a policy of being fair and upfront with its guests so they know not to call girls over just for drinks unless one wishes to do so.

Maybe YMMV.

IMHO befriending a mamasan in Atlantis could prove to be a good idea if you like bar girls.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2007494]I'd be a bit miffed if I bought a girl a drink only to find out she doesn't barfine (mens is one thing, but "I don't barfine" is deceptive practice). The bars have long used multiple tags (or ID's) on the girls uni. Some have been a different color or stamped with a "V". Possibly all non-barfining girls should have something that identifies them to the customers as drinks-only girls. Once again, feel free to not sit down, and feel free to ask the mama to point out all the girls that aren't barfine-able. No kidding, you won't get asked to leave. More to the point, and to save time (nobody cares about the $5, everyone cares about wasting his time), ask the mama which girls barfine and might match your needs, and let her point out some girls for you. If you're dying to by a LD, buy one for the mama the following night if her tip turned out well for you.[/QUOTE]Westie,

thanks for your views.

I think you will find that bars in the new Angeles are mainly all run on deception.

Why, because prostitution is illegal in the Phills and with the new HT rules that deem any girl that barfines to have sex as being trafficked then all bars are very reluctant to even discuss sex with the girls let alone offer sex with the girls.

My experiences with mamas, waitresses, owners, managers is that most will not discuss sex with one of their bargirls, why, because of the very severe penalties involved (20 years inside with no bail) with bars selling pussy.

As for different colored tags for the girls that fuck for a living, think again, different tags would mean admission by the bars that they offer prostitution which all bars want to avoid like the plague.

Even the old style v on the tags of girls have mainly gone now or are so small that one would not notice it.

The bars of Angeles have changed 360 degrees to just a few years ago, blame the constant raids or the new prostitution (HT) laws that have everyone in the bar business running scared.

For those who want to read the trafficking laws and the very severe penalties here it is.

[URL]http://library.pcw.gov.ph/node/2019[/URL]

For those that dispute that bars and punters have been charged under these laws then think again, only a couple of days ago 9 Koreans have been charged with such in Cebu city Phills.

[URL]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/877741/9-korean-nabbed-in-cebu[/URL]#ixzz4 aamTAfkx.

Want to fuck girls in Angeles then see what you want call her down or get staff to call her down for a drink, be respectful and lead into the question of barfine for sex once the girl is seated with you, some girls will barfine but most will not especially if attractive and can earn far better by staying in the bar.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;2007815]In my experience in DHG bars (Atlantis, Dollhouse, Tropix etc.) when the Mama / manager lasers / calls a girl, the girls is obligated to signal drinks only with her hand if she won't barfine for whatever reason (mens, sponsor, she doesn't like you, etc.).

Also, if you ask any mama, she'll laser all "Virgins" for you ahead of time so you know who they are.

I think that all in all, though encouraging as many LDs as possible, Atlantis has a policy of being fair and upfront with its guests so they know not to call girls over just for drinks unless one wishes to do so.

Maybe YMMV.

IMHO befriending a mamasan in Atlantis could prove to be a good idea if you like bar girls.[/QUOTE]Have to dispute your claims, why, because the doll house group does not employ mamasans, what they do have is waitresses, greeter girls and a foreign manager but absolutely no mamasuns.

All girls are interviewed and employed by the doll house group directly, they are not controlled by mamasuns.

As far as girls giving hand signals if available I have never seen this on my many visits over many years to the dhg bars.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;2007815]I think that all in all, though encouraging as many LDs as possible, Atlantis has a policy of being fair and upfront with its guests so they know not to call girls over just for drinks unless one wishes to do so.

Maybe YMMV.

IMHO befriending a mamasan in Atlantis could prove to be a good idea if you like bar girls.[/QUOTE]Concur. The mama / waitress will gladly point out girls who do drinks only (virgin or other). However, one should not have to rely on the mama to determine that.

Heading to Angeles for 7 or 8 days late next week. Interested in possible one night diversion to Subic. Any thoughts. Is it worth going there to check it out. Or maybe is it just a smaller version of Angeles.

Thanks for any opinions.

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;2007592]Well, you do have a point, it is that simple. It's just that I had only one bad experience with this approach. I pointed to the girl, asked mamasan to bring her to my table, asked her to go out with me, she accepted but with a lukewarm attitude. I think that girl was also very new (a different kind of issue). The experience was very bad. But to be clear, I don't actually blame her so much I blame myself for not maybe taking enough time to talk to the girl and figuring out if it is a good idea to barfine her. The problem with me is that I am not really good at all at chit chat in the bar. I am somewhat introvert I guess (though not shy). And I know that this is not about real attraction or anything. I am still a customer and she is the provider of a service. But to get back to the eye contact, I think that if the girl looks for my gaze and smiles then she is OK with the possibility of going out with me. I might be wrong (again I am not a veteran, I have only 5 pleasure trips on my "CV" so far) I do know that the best experience I had was in Thailand where a girl picked me from the onset and insisted that I would barfine her.[/QUOTE]

I like to put the girl at ease by being playful. For example, if I am still interested after her first drink I will ask her to play Jack and Poy (Rock, Paper, Scissors) with me. If she wins, she gets a drink. If I win, she kisses me on the cheek. I usually continue playing until she wins, but her stakes increase. Kiss on the lips, etc. All the girls that I've challenged have laughed and enjoyed the game. Don't act your age; act her's.

I don't bother pursuing a girl who actively avoids eye contact with me. Plenty of other fish. This happened to me more in AC than in Burgos or EDSA for some reason.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2007973]I like to put the girl at ease by being playful. For example, if I am still interested after her first drink I will ask her to play Jack and Poy (Rock, Paper, Scissors) with me..[/QUOTE]Just as a light aside, "rock, paper, scissors" is a centuries old Japanese game (probably originating in China) known as "(Jan.) (ken) (pon)". In Japan, there are even tournaments ("Jan. Ken taikai") and published works on ("Jan. Ken") strategy.

Deceptively simple, yet can be surprisingly complex.

LOL.

OM.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2003382]Mr E,

As I have said you have no official statistics to confirm that Angeles is in fact safer than Pattaya.

If your claims were in the slightest true how do you explain that every convenience store in Angeles has armed guards, every small / large bar, every small / large hotel, every mall, most ATM machines, I have even seen an armed guard outside a barbers shop of all things, do you see this on the streets of Pattaya, no you do not, why, because the crime rate is much lower and the relevant establishments in Pattaya do not see a need for them unlike in Angeles where small armies are hired with enough automatic weapons to start a small war to try to keep the scum from killing and robbing them and visitors blind.

As of your claims that fights do not happen in Angeles nothing could be further from the truth, Of course fights happen in Angeles, pinoys just love to kick the crap out of foreigners for even the silliest of things, especially when drink and drugs are involved, if in doubt just think back to the gang of pinoy Dollhouse doormen who put a foreigner in a coma not so long ago for no reason at all.

As for serious crimes, never forget Paul Raymond Atkins was shot then robbed in broad daylight on perimeter road for just a $10 phone, that is only one example of a whole list of guys.

Think of the pinoy who shot dead 6-7 foreigners in cold blood while attending their residences to do odd jobs.

Have we forgotten the scum police only very recently who tried to extort very large sums of money out of a Korean and when he could not or would not pay was murdered in cold blood by guys (police) that are paid to protect people.

Can not in my 30 odd years of living in Thailand remember any tourist being shot dead in any street robbery for his belongings in Pattaya or any Pattaya police officers murdering a tourist over extortion and greed or any other reason.[/QUOTE]I always find it amusing that so many are in denial about the need to exercise great care in the Philippines. NapaSlapper is absoluitely correct. If one is still unconvinced by the facts, just ask impartial Filipinos! I do know that the Philippnes tourism businesses unsurprisingly also try and surpress news of criminal activity. Trying to argue equivalence between Thailand and Philippines is really a time wasting exercise. It is more meaningful to compare Thailand with Europe or US; and Philippines with contries like Cambodia, Brazil.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2008224]I always find it amusing that so many are in denial about the need to exercise great care in the Philippines. NapaSlapper is absoluitely correct. If one is still unconvinced by the facts, just ask impartial Filipinos! I do know that the Philippnes tourism businesses unsurprisingly also try and surpress news of criminal activity. Trying to argue equivalence between Thailand and Philippines is really a time wasting exercise. It is more meaningful to compare Thailand with Europe or US; and Philippines with contries like Cambodia, Brazil.[/QUOTE]"Do you want to live forever"? --Valeria to Conan (ca 1982).

OM.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2003382]SNIP
Can not in my 30 odd years of living in Thailand remember any tourist being shot dead in any street robbery for his belongings in Pattaya or any Pattaya police officers murdering a tourist over extortion and greed or any other reason.[/QUOTE]I am in no position to argue which is the most violent. I will support Mr. E by saying that I have seen violence, and was subjected to violence, in Pattaya that you have never heard of as it did not make the news. And I don't even live there. What category does pick pocketing fall under? Certainly crime against people if not violent. Also, what about the Pattaya Flying Club? I suppose it is a matter of choice as to what you believe. I believe that the majority of those sky falls were not of their choosing. I would broaden the overall safety concern to Thailand in general rather than just Pattaya. I'm not interested in compiling a list of those now gone due to violence, or whose deaths were passed off as suicide or whatever with no real investigation, but if I did it would be quite a long one.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2008224]I always find it amusing that so many are in denial about the need to exercise great care in the Philippines. NapaSlapper is absoluitely correct. If one is still unconvinced by the facts, just ask impartial Filipinos! I do know that the Philippnes tourism businesses unsurprisingly also try and surpress news of criminal activity. Trying to argue equivalence between Thailand and Philippines is really a time wasting exercise. It is more meaningful to compare Thailand with Europe or US; and Philippines with contries like Cambodia, Brazil.[/QUOTE]I doubt that any third world countries that rely heavily on tourism would publish reliable statistics, and though I worked in Thailand it was a long time ago so my knowledge of the current situation is limited. In the Philippines, threats to personal safety are largely dependent on where you happen to be. The Greenbelt area of Manila, and BGC are as safe as similar upscale areas in the West. For tourists, Davao and IlioIlo are safe, with little risk of harm. Zamboanga, Marawi, and Jolo or unstable, unsafe, and risky. I'm only citing these cities to suggest that it's foolish to generalize about an entire country with any accuracy.

As to Angeles specifically, it's not as safe as Greenbelt in Makati or BGC in Taguig, but neither is it nearly as dangerous and some of the other cities I've citied. Yes, there are muggers and pickpockets, and yes, it's safer to take a car to Walking Street or along Fields than it is to walk. It's safer still to take a car and go with a buddy.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2008300]I doubt that any third world countries that rely heavily on tourism would publish reliable statistics, and though I worked in Thailand it was a long time ago so my knowledge of the current situation is limited. In the Philippines, threats to personal safety are largely dependent on where you happen to be. The Greenbelt area of Manila, and BGC are as safe as similar upscale areas in the West. For tourists, Davao and IlioIlo are safe, with little risk of harm. Zamboanga, Marawi, and Jolo or unstable, unsafe, and risky. I'm only citing these cities to suggest that it's foolish to generalize about an entire country with any accuracy.

As to Angeles specifically, it's not as safe as Greenbelt in Makati or BGC in Taguig, but neither is it nearly as dangerous and some of the other cities I've citied. Yes, there are muggers and pickpockets, and yes, it's safer to take a car to Walking Street or along Fields than it is to walk. It's safer still to take a car and go with a buddy.

GE.[/QUOTE]Would you say that the foreigners who were shot dead execution style in the back of the head in broad daylight one on perimeter road and one at norms exchange for very small gains make the streets of Angeles safe? Far from it IMHO.

Would foreigners wanting to visit the nearest beaches of Davao by taking a couple of minute boat ride and staying at a very exclusive resort full of armed guards only to be kidnapped and beheaded by terrorists safe?

[URL]http://globalnews.ca/news/2661185/timeline-of-john-ridsdels-kidnapping-and-execution-in-the-philippines/[/URL]

As far as greenbelt in Makati the head office of my company is based there, my monthly wage bill for heavily armed security is in excess or 200,000 pesos, why do we and our pinoy workers feel we need security is because of the scum that roam the streets of Makati, I have offices in London where I conduct the same business and have zero security, I have offices in Bangkok / Pattaya and Phuket where I have zero security.

Not sure what type of 1st world cities some grew up in but they sure must be some dodgy cities to be compared to the very high crime rate all over the Phills.

Read the Subic forum, William. The answer is yes.

[QUOTE=William7011;2007909]Heading to Angeles for 7 or 8 days late next week. Interested in possible one night diversion to Subic. Any thoughts. Is it worth going there to check it out. Or maybe is it just a smaller version of Angeles.

Thanks for any opinions.[/QUOTE].

Well, the amusing part is that even though Brazil has a high crime rate and is on top of every stats published most crime are related to drug gangs and as well family violence. So as for a tourist it is not that dangerous, and I say not that dangerous because it is not without risk to go to certain areas. But I have been more than 20 times in Brazil and have never been in a situation where I have been even near to be mugged. And for the record I'm a night monger, but avoid certain spots in every city I visit.

Chico.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2008224]I always find it amusing that so many are in denial about the need to exercise great care in the Philippines. NapaSlapper is absoluitely correct. If one is still unconvinced by the facts, just ask impartial Filipinos! I do know that the Philippnes tourism businesses unsurprisingly also try and surpress news of criminal activity. Trying to argue equivalence between Thailand and Philippines is really a time wasting exercise. It is more meaningful to compare Thailand with Europe or US; and Philippines with contries like Cambodia, Brazil.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2008300]
As to Angeles specifically
GE.[/QUOTE]I believe that the Angelenos have been dealing with great numbers of foreigners for such a long period of time that they have developed extra sophistication in their efforts to exploit them. Be skeptical of all male Filipino entreaties of friendship. Never pick up a girl on the street. Fly below the radar. Don't get drunk. Don't get anybody angry.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2007821]Have to dispute your claims, why, because the doll house group does not employ mamasans, what they do have is waitresses, greeter girls and a foreign manager but absolutely no mamasuns.

All girls are interviewed and employed by the doll house group directly, they are not controlled by mamasuns.

As far as girls giving hand signals if available I have never seen this on my many visits over many years to the dhg bars.[/QUOTE]Hi NS,

I seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

I personally have 2 Atlantis mamasans as friends (both on fb and f2 f), one of which I hung out with just a couple weeks ago.

She's been a mamasan in Atlantis for easily 7 years, so you obviously have your facts wrong this point.

Moreover, many times have I seen tropix, Crystal Palace and Club Asia (prior to being sold) place signs outside saying they are looking to hire mamasans.

I will also reiterate what I have said before. If the girl is drinks only (mens, virgin, not interested in you from the stage due to your apperance / race) - laser her and she will sign with her hand that she's only willing to have drinks. It's not optional, it's a club policy.

Once the girl sat down with you without stating this, she may still refuse if she realises you are very drunk, have horrible breath or an agressive attitude. If she wishes to refuse after sitting down, once you leave the bar, she will need to explain to her mamasan why she wouldn't go, and at some cases if her reason is not satisfying to her mama, or if she hasn't been otherwise barfined or what not, the mama may, at her own discretion, fine the girl for losing them both business.

I really can't say this is the case in all Angeles bars, but am positive it is this way in Atlantis.

Enjoy,

Dave.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2008349]Never pick up a girl on the street.[/QUOTE]This I do not get. Don't pick up a chick off the street that you can see right there and then, but feel free to pick one up off the internet?

[QUOTE=William7011;2007909]Heading to Angeles for 7 or 8 days late next week. Interested in possible one night diversion to Subic. Any thoughts. Is it worth going there to check it out. Or maybe is it just a smaller version of Angeles.

Thanks for any opinions.[/QUOTE]You may find my recent post on Subic useful. I was there early February for 3 nights, good fun as there is a beach and floating bars to amuse you during the day, but it was pretty quiet when I was there. Easy to get there, Swaggy bus will collect you at your hotel in AC and drop you back when you want to return. Arrange through respective hotel reception. It leaves around 10 am every day, costs 500 ps each way and takes around 1 and a half hours door to door. Southern Cross bus can be arranged also, I think through Wild Orchid Resort. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2008349]I believe that the Angelenos have been dealing with great numbers of foreigners for such a long period of time that they have developed extra sophistication in their efforts to exploit them. Be skeptical of all male Filipino entreaties of friendship. Never pick up a girl on the street. Fly below the radar. Don't get drunk. Don't get anybody angry.[/QUOTE]Pompe,

Eminently sound advice. Having said that, of course as we all know, good folk can be found everywhere, including Angeles. We also are all aware, however, of the undercurrent of latent violence in the Philippines, due to many reasons, one of which perhaps is resentment stemming from the perceived "life is so unfair" situation wherein undeserving and unappreciative foreigners have so much, when the more deserving Filipino has so little. Plus, of course, the Latin / Malay / Filipino temperament overlay.

Crazy4 Thai, as I recall, we may have an Angeles Flying Club too (or at least the beginnings of one). Recall a couple of years ago, a guest took a header from an upper floor of Queens Hotel, and landed on the concrete pool deck. No suicide note, and never really determined whether or not he might have been "assisted".

Just had a flashback of Valeria asking Conan: "Do you want to live forever"? (ca 1982).

OM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2008360]This I do not get. Don't pick up a chick off the street that you can see right there and then, but feel free to pick one up off the internet?[/QUOTE]I believe that the girls in AC can be more conniving than elsewhere in the PI. Yes, I would include the Net with street hustlers. Careful with age, with possessions, and false (r) ape claims. It only has to happen once. I am not being alarmist. I have personal and vicarious knowledge.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;2008358]Hi NS,

I seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

I personally have 2 Atlantis mamasans as friends (both on fb and f2 f), one of which I hung out with just a couple weeks ago.

She's been a mamasan in Atlantis for easily 7 years, so you obviously have your facts wrong this point.

Moreover, many times have I seen tropix, Crystal Palace and Club Asia (prior to being sold) place signs outside saying they are looking to hire mamasans.

I will also reiterate what I have said before. If the girl is drinks only (mens, virgin, not interested in you from the stage due to your apperance / race) - laser her and she will sign with her hand that she's only willing to have drinks. It's not optional, it's a club policy..[/QUOTE]With due respect, you are giving out complete wrong advice, in fact so wrong that I am wondering what your angle is.

Only last night me and a group of friends were in Atlantis, I had joked with the manager that I had heard online that girls have to give hand signals if they are available for drinks only, he nearly spat his beer out laughing, his reply, that would make almost all the girls very unhappy indeed.

Will happily have a beer with you at Atlantis, introduce you to the owners / managers you can point out your friends that claim they are mamasuns and let management know of your claims that its their policy to have girls give hand signals.

Maybe then you will be kind enough to come back to this board and supply corrected information to the members, I await your pm, thanks.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1959854]I believe Israel is the first one on the scene with medical and aid. Israel was first in Haiti after the earthquake and first to Leyte after Yolanda.

At first Obama and the Pope said they would give US100 k each for Yolanda. Don't think America doesn't extract benefits for its aid around the world. It may not end up in your pocket or mine, just ask Dick Cheney who's pocket it ends up in?

Why do we give aid to the Middle East? Only to insure an oil supply.[/QUOTE]No, the Dominican Republic was the first to provide aid to Haiti after the earthquake.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1959854]

Why do we give aid to the Middle East? Only to insure an oil supply.[/QUOTE]Somebody calculated that the money that the US has spent in the Middle East is as if a gallon of gas costs something like $100. It is more complicated than mere oil supply. US foreign policy has been hijacked by the Israel lobby much as domestic policy is controlled by the gun lobby.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2008471]Somebody calculated that the money that the US has spent in the Middle East is as if a gallon of gas costs something like $100. It is more complicated than mere oil supply. US foreign policy has been hijacked by the Israel lobby much as domestic policy is controlled by the gun lobby.[/QUOTE]Spot on. And sad that this will continue.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1959854]I believe Israel is the first one on the scene with medical and aid. Israel was first in Haiti after the earthquake and first to Leyte after Yolanda.

At first Obama and the Pope said they would give US100 k each for Yolanda. Don't think America doesn't extract benefits for its aid around the world. It may not end up in your pocket or mine, just ask Dick Cheney who's pocket it ends up in?

[/QUOTE]OK, Yolanda was Friday, 8 Nov 2013 and the reports of the devastation started hitting the press on Saturday.

[QUOTE]On November 9, U.S. Charg dAffaires, a.i., Brian L. Goldbeck declared a disaster in the Philippines due to the effects of Typhoon Yolanda/Haiyan. In response, USAID authorized an initial drawdown of $10 million from the USAID/OFDA Response Fund to support immediate response efforts, including procuring, transporting, and distributing emergency relief commodities and improving access to sanitation facilities for typhoon-affected populations.[/QUOTE]I know on 9 November a reconnaissance by JUSMAG-PHIL travelled to the affected area to do an assessment. This was the first done by any outside government. On 10 Nov ninety Marines arrived and US Hercules were conducting support missions on 11 Nov, which included delivering marines and aid workers. On the 12th several hundred members of the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade were in the Philippines with Ospreys and more Hercules, and the Marines transported in a Japanese medical team in 14 Nov. By 13 Nov five US Navy ships were on station and conducting operations. The first UK aid flight arrived on the 13th. The USS George Washington and its fleet arrived in Leyte on 14 Nov, and this added another 21 helicopters to the relief effort. It had been in Hong Kong during the typhoon. The Israeli medical team arrived in Bogo, Cebu on 14 Nov and the hospital was functioning there on 15 Nov. The Australians also arrived in Cebu on 13 Nov and had a medical aid centre running in Tacloban on the 14th.

Seems to me the Yanks did a lot and were the first there.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1959854]Why do we give aid to the Middle East? Only to insure an oil supply.[/QUOTE]84% of US petroleum imports (oil, natural gas, etc) come from outside the Persian Gulf. Canada is its number one supplier by a wide margin, which suggests to me Canada ought to be doing much more to foment instability in the Middle East. ;)

Only 1/4 of US petroleum consumption comes from abroad. Because oil is a global commodity, and the most vital one at that, a disruption in the supply will have a knock-on effect, for example disrupt Kuwaiti production and the price of Canadian (and US) oil spikes because those more dependent on Gulf oil will look to alternate suppliers to make up the shortfall. "[B]Only[/B] to ensure an oil supply" fits nicely on a bumper sticker, but it really isn't indicative of a thoughtful analysis. Complex situations are multi-faceted, which is my bumper sticker response.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1959854]I believe Israel is the first one on the scene with medical and aid. Israel was first in Haiti after the earthquake and first to Leyte after Yolanda.
Why do we give aid to the Middle East? Only to insure an oil supply.[/QUOTE]Not comparable in any way to -- for example- Cuba sending physicians and medical teams to Africa AMD elsewhere. For the Zionist state, its part of their 'Branding' program- a calculated effort at marketing the country. Much as they got into the world baseball classic and weaseled their way into the Eurovision song contest as well as getting themselves into European bracket for World Cup qualifying.

This is awesome. Thank you. Going to AC next week. And based on your review. Will book Queens for my hotel.

[QUOTE=ChaosErrant;2006902]Just finished a 2 days visit to AC. From here I will go to Boracay for a more "socially approved" vacation style.

I have never submitted a report before but I think I should just in case someone might relate to me. If you check my post from Dec 2016 you will see that I have some special needs so to speak that make me probably a non-standard visitor to places like AC.

Back to the visit itself. I stayed at Queens Hotel which strikes a perfect balance for quality for the money. Last year I stayed at ABC and while the place has to be experienced once in your lifetime, I find the location problematic (far from the heart of the action). Queens is a nice, clean and safe place. The pool area is also very nice. The restaurant decent as well. Most importantly, it is very close to Walking street. I find this very important in AC. To me, the place is so horrible outside hotels and bars, that I want to minimize the distance I have to walk. In a way this place is really perfect to mix business and pleasure. Work from the computer during the day and have sex in the evening. There is really little else one can do outside the hotel and the bar.

During this visit I went to Club Atlantis, Angel Witch and Tropix (all close to Queens hotel). Atlantis is nice and big. Lots of girls and all quite good looking. I should say that I am attracted to average feminine bodies that is to say, I don't have strict limitations on taste except obesity and / or rough appearance. Compared to Soi Cowboy in Thailand (which is the only other place I visited for adult entertainment) I was surprised to find that most girls I saw here were in fact to my taste. That being said, I ended up leaving Atlantis since I did not find a good way to make eye contact with the girls. There are three levels there. The main level is crowded and noisy..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Azfool;2010125]This is awesome. Thank you. Going to AC next week. And based on your review. Will book Queens for my hotel.[/QUOTE]Please do a trip report. Would love to hear someone else's opinion. Have a good time.

[QUOTE=Azfool;2010125]This is awesome. Thank you. Going to AC next week. And based on your review. Will book Queens for my hotel.[/QUOTE]I will be making my first trip to Philippines in two weeks. Flying to Clark and staying week in Angeles then 4 days Subic area then back to Angeles. Anybody else going to be there then?

New restaurants, new hotels, renovations, new services, and new girls. AC is always changing, or at least seeming to change. I walked into a "bar" called Passion. Oddly, once past the door I was in the D-Bar. Next door is Midnight Cruiser, which used to be called Insomnia.

Has anyone in AC ever met a guy named Sonny? He seemed like a nice guy, but was promoting his AC condo business a bit too much. My spider sense was tingling. X Man.

A few days ago I had some classic AC drama. There is this interesting, naughty and GFE gal that I've stayed in touch with. She knew I was in town, but we hadn't met yet. She contacts me in the wee hours and begs to meet. At first I thought she was drunk and just wanted someplace to crash. It turns out there was some drama in play, and I'm guessing it was mostly drama she'd created herself.

Anyway, she gets to my room and I console her. We also spend a lot of time testing the mattress quality in my room. In between periods of copulation she's on the phone and sorts out her "problem" to some degree. I have to be very quiet while she's doing this. And then as suddenly as she appeared, she suddenly has to go. She refuses any money because, "she disturbed" me. Bless her heart. I hope she disturbs me some more. I force her to take a few hundred yen for transportation. And then I had breakfast. Another day, another drama. X Man.

[QUOTE=XMan;2011145]She refuses any money because, "she disturbed" me. Bless her heart. I hope she disturbs me some more. I force her to take a few hundred yen for transportation. And then I had breakfast. Another day, another drama. X Man.[/QUOTE]This is the sh*t a man puts up with in phils. You've taken one for the team, X, and you have our gratitude.

Morsel (s): Well Hello, Kitty. There was a brief playful discussion at one point about height. They came out of the CR asked "What girl is a more tall"? Hard to tell ladies, you both appear to be 4' 10" to me (and about 75 lbs). With a bit of probing I was able to figure out which girl has the deeper snatch. But of course a gentleman never kisses and tells.

Raise your hand if you're missing AC.

Hi,

Will be AC, end of June for a few weeks of R&R, would be great to meet up with fellow mongers.

Anybody there between June 22-July 12, drop me a PM.

Mark.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2011158]This is the sh*t a man puts up with in phils. You've taken one for the team, X, and you have our gratitude.

Morsel (s): Well Hello, Kitty. There was a brief playful discussion at one point about height. They came out of the CR asked "What girl is a more tall"? Hard to tell ladies, you both appear to be 4' 10" to me (and about 75 lbs). With a bit of probing I was able to figure out which girl has the deeper snatch. But of course a gentleman never kisses and tells.

Raise your hand if you're missing AC.[/QUOTE]Had an interesting discussion yesterday with an old friend here, who splits his time between the Philippines and the US Midwest. He's in his 60's, extremely active while here, and has been coming here for years. He told me that his buddies in the US, many of whom have never left the country even for vacation, simply don't believe him when he recounts exploits similar to those routinely reported (and memorialized) by WC and many others. So I wonder, while we on this forum exchange information with each other, how many guys there are out there in the "real" world who would read these exchanges and figure they're all works of fiction.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2011489] ...................So I wonder, while we on this forum exchange information with each other, how many guys there are out there in the "real" world who would read these exchanges and figure they're all works of fiction.GE.[/QUOTE]Let them think it's fiction. More for us, LOL.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2011489]Had an interesting discussion yesterday with an old friend here, who splits his time between the Philippines and the US Midwest. He's in his 60's, extremely active while here, and has been coming here for years. He told me that his buddies in the US, many of whom have never left the country even for vacation, simply don't believe him when he recounts exploits similar to those routinely reported (and memorialized) by WC and many others. So I wonder, while we on this forum exchange information with each other, how many guys there are out there in the "real" world who would read these exchanges and figure they're all works of fiction.

GE.[/QUOTE]The disbelief was more so pre Internet in my experience. Not just the birds too, but also very lucrative smuggling (gold, consumer electronics, whisky, etc.) and even busking. I had a few acquaintances who were earning abut $500 US per night in Taipei singing Beatles songs in the street. Some of the most entertaining stories were from Yanks who were stationed in Korea in the 70's and they go out on field exercises. The girls from the camp towns would pack up too and set up tents to service the troops. Back then Korean bog roll was such poor quality that these fellas could fuck a girl for one high-quality roll, which would be sold on the black market. I've met a few former US Air Force who were stationed in Thailand during the Vietnam War who had very entertaining stories about the era. Some Peace Corps workers have good tales too, and also some of the saddest ones, such as the fella who was sent to Afghanistan (Pashtun tribal region) and was offered a boy by the elders, which he refused, and the fella who worked with lepers in Korea.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2011489]Had an interesting discussion yesterday with an old friend here, who splits his time between the Philippines and the US Midwest. He's in his 60's, extremely active while here, and has been coming here for years. He told me that his buddies in the US, many of whom have never left the country even for vacation, simply don't believe him when he recounts exploits similar to those routinely reported (and memorialized) by WC and many others. So I wonder, while we on this forum exchange information with each other, how many guys there are out there in the "real" world who would read these exchanges and figure they're all works of fiction.

GE.[/QUOTE]There's no way to normalize what happens in SE asia (or alternately Mexico) with what happens daily in Western countries. I get that. I often don't share my adventures of the differing cultures with my cano counterparts because it would either 1) cause them to scratch their heads, or 2) disbelieve. Here are a few of mine (think I've reported some of this stuff here), and one from my mate:

1. If someone told you today that years from now you'd go to a foreign country and a pregnant girl with a live-in boyfriend would spend the night in your bed (in fact she would spend time in your bed over several pregnancies), naked, then get drunk on an empty stomach at 6 am (while still naked) the next morning, then exclaim to everyone on the street shortly thereafter: "Oh sh*t I think I am DRUNK"! You'd think they were nuts, right?

2. If someone told you that you'd go to a foreign country and see a *purple* firetruck with flames painted on the sides, you'd think they were nuts.

3. If someone told you that you'd go to a foreign country, sleep with a hottie who had false teeth, that she'd lose the teeth in the night in the bed, the teeth would end up the crack of your arse, and that she would put the dirty teeth back in her mouth unknowingly, you'd think they were nuts.

4. If someone told you today that you'd go to a foreign country someday and be able to rent a girl overnight the same way you rent a car at home, you'd think they were nuts.

5. If someone told you that you'd go to a foreign country and girls who were in love with their local boyfriend might f*ck you for money, you might believe that. If someone told you that she might sleep with you because you have blue eyes (or because you have pictures of you and your kids who happen to have blue eyes), you'd think they were nuts, right?

6. If someone told you that you'd go to a foreign country and sex a local girl, you might believe that. If they told you that the girl would bring you her cousin the next night, you'd say WTF!

7. If someone told you that you'd go to a foreign country and sex a local girl who would introduce you to her male cousin, you might believe that. If they told you that the cousin was really her boyfriend, you'd say WTF!

Yet, those things happen. And one from a buddy:

One American guy is former military and had this happen in AC several decades ago. He picked up a ST girl from a bar and went into the back for a quickie. He was too inebriated to consummate and fell asleep. Later when he woke up, the bar was dark and quiet, and instead of going out the front door, he knew the shortcut out the back. He stumbled down the hall and into a small room with two sleeping bargirls. He layed down and fell asleep with the two new girls. Sometime in the night he awoke, and was being kissed and rubbed in the dark by one of the (apparently horny) PYT's. They f*cked and went back to sleep. In the morning awoke with the two sleeping beauties, not knowing which one he'd f*cked. He made his way home. If someone told an American today that this thing would happen to him in the future, he'd think they were nuts.

Its better not to try and explain to the uninitiated how phils works. It really is Forrest Gump's box-o-chocolates.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2011552]There's no way to normalize what happens in SE asia (or alternately Mexico) with what happens daily in Western countries. I get that. I often don't share my adventures of the differing cultures with my cano counterparts because it would either 1) cause them to scratch their heads, or 2) disbelieve. Here are a few of mine (think I've reported some of this stuff here), and one from my mate:[/QUOTE]I think you missed the point of his comment: "So I wonder, while we on this forum exchange information with each other, how many guys there are out there in the "real" world who would read these exchanges and figure they're all works of fiction. ".

My retired military (AF colonel) friend in the US told the story 20 years ago of he and 5 or so buddies sitting at 1 table having beers. Under the table were 6 pinays sucking them off. The first one to come was the loser.

[QUOTE=Azfool;2010125]This is awesome. Thank you. Going to AC next week. And based on your review. Will book Queens for my hotel.[/QUOTE]I stayed at Queen's last October, and the receptionists called my room complaining that I could not have three girls in my room. I had to explain that they were only visiting and not staying the night. This would not happen in ABC or the Penthouse. Funny fact is that the girls were all from the hotel's upstairs bar. Also, I find their rooms too small. When I visited their restaurant this month, I found the food portions much smaller and quality poorer, than in October. Will not be booking at Queen's anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2011718]My retired military (AF colonel) friend in the US told the story 20 years ago of he and 5 or so buddies sitting at 1 table having beers. Under the table were 6 pinays sucking them off. The first one to come was the loser.[/QUOTE]Yep. I heard that story too. Seems like everyone had a friend who had a friend that got a BJ under the table in BKK, Mexico, Japan, Korea and countless other places. Shit I really missed out! Missed out of paying as I would probably have cum first.

Just returned from my AC visit, and I have to say each trip is a different experience. I did not have to barfine any girls, as my previous contacts which I did not bang came through and brought cousins and sisters along for some fun. Ended up with more pubic hair in my mouth than all the previous visits combined together. Most of these girls were either freelancers or non professionals. Managed to have several threesomes and couple of pregnant girls. One was three months and the other was past delivery date. Most of the girls were 18-21 year olds. Ongoing Facebook contact really paid off. Girls kept messaging me if I could bang their friends. I ran out of time and energy. Also, I managed to find out that couple of the girls are into pussy, so next time I will be arranging some high quality threesomes.

Of course there is always drama and jealousy when I decide to see some of my previous girls. I have learned that I really prefer short time, and not repeat with the same girl. I can definitely do without the soap opera. Love AC, and can't wait to return in the fall again.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2011877]Yep. I heard that story too. Seems like everyone had a friend who had a friend that got a BJ under the table in BKK, Mexico, Japan, Korea and countless other places. Shit I really missed out! Missed out of paying as I would probably have cum first.[/QUOTE]In the day, at the old Fire Empire bar in Angeles, as a matter of routine, one could drink at the bar and chat comfortably with mates, whilst getting serviced at the same time by a willing young woman (head) crouched below.

"Truth as stranger than fiction" not just limited to Phils.

Have heard from good Chinese friends of, but have not participated in, exotic banquets in Hong Kong, one of which involved eating live monkey brains spooned from the opened head of an immobilized live monkey at the center of the table (think Hannibal Lecter).

Decades ago, while drinking beer and talking at a bar in Taichung with an old European seafaring captain who was temporarily enjoying some down time, we started talking about unusual things to see. The old sea captain told me that an unforgettable sight for him was the "tiger-cage" brothel girls in Bombay. Never got a chance to go there and see, and don't know if still there (now Mumbai, of course).

Then, in the 70's or maybe early 80's (before Mabini got shut down by Mayor Lim, got into a fascinating conversation with an old American geezer in a legendary diner in Mabini (forgot its name, was it Rosie's Diner)? He told me that he had been a young US Marine in old Shanghai (in the late 30's or early 40's?) and told me some incredible tales. The least sensational of these was that the old Chinese mamasans would regularly use large wooden sticks, polished and rounded at the end (kind of like police batons) to enlarge the vaginas of young Chinese girls who first started working at the brothels, so that the vaginas would more readily accommodate the many ensuing customers.

Stranger than fiction.

OM.

P.S. Makes you wonder which memorabilia of Macarthur were used, and how, in the Macarthur Suite at the Manila Hotel during those Fat Leonard wild debaucheries not that long ago? Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2011877]Yep. I heard that story too. Seems like everyone had a friend who had a friend that got a BJ under the table in BKK, Mexico, Japan, Korea and countless other places. Shit I really missed out! Missed out of paying as I would probably have cum first.[/QUOTE]Don't think you missed out. As of about two years ago the opportunity was still alive and well. I was with a friend at one of the afternoon bars, and while engaged in conversation with me, he was getting a below-the-table blow job. I didn't even realize it until the very end of his experience.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2012011]Don't think you missed out. As of about two years ago the opportunity was still alive and well. I was with a friend at one of the afternoon bars, and while engaged in conversation with me, he was getting a below-the-table blow job. I didn't even realize it until the very end of his experience.

GE.[/QUOTE]About ten years ago they had a bar in Santos Street called Little BBlack JJack and they had a board there which they advertised "Smile under the Table". In Subic they had one too (don't remember the bar name, it doesn't exist anymore). Meanwhile, you can't even get a BJ in the back room in Santos. Not allowed anymore.

2 years ago, if you went to Rios or Nifty's, you could ask for a sample BJ, and they sucked you in the bar. No more. They still play with your dick, but no sucking.

BJ times are gone.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2012011]Don't think you missed out. As of about two years ago the opportunity was still alive and well. I was with a friend at one of the afternoon bars, and while engaged in conversation with me, he was getting a below-the-table blow job. I didn't even realize it until the very end of his experience.

GE.[/QUOTE]I have never had a BJ in a bar nor did I ever want one. For me it is a turn off and health risk just thinking how many dicks was in that mouth that day! I have been tempted many times walking by BJ bars, especially in bkk as there were many beauties outside soliciting.

Lately I have been getting my Pinays to BBBJ to CIM for their first time. Priceless to watch their expressions and reactions afterwards!

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;2011875]I stayed at Queen's last October, and the receptionists called my room complaining that I could not have three girls in my room. I had to explain that they were only visiting and not staying the night. This would not happen in ABC or the Penthouse. Funny fact is that the girls were all from the hotel's upstairs bar. Also, I find their rooms too small. When I visited their restaurant this month, I found the food portions much smaller and quality poorer, than in October. Will not be booking at Queen's anytime soon.[/QUOTE]I had booked 4 nights into Queens just before you posted this. Maybe I should cancel Queens and up my budget a little. I'm not even there yet and they cannot provide a non smoking room unless I upgrade. This probably belongs in the AC Hotel thread. I'm going to post there too.

Emotions This used to be one of my favorites. Several years ago the gals would wear extreme cropped blouses and no bra underneath. Looking up from the seating you'd have a great view of the underside of their boobs (if they had boobs). Which leads me to the question, is there a word for "underside cleavage"? Probably not. Alas, concerned authorities but an end to the practice. At the moment, both Emotions and neighbor Touch of Class have pretty poor lineups.

Nevertheless, I found what I was looking for as I continued my hike to the west. I found more attractive women than on previous visits. The little gem sleeping on the bed in front of me is just one good example. She is petite and surprisingly light skinned. No baby so her snatch is tight, her stomach is flat, and she has the cutest butt. I love to just watch her walk across the room in her panties. She has a college education, so conversation is better than usual. And she has pampered me with so much GFE that my trip out of town is going to be less pleasant than usual.

Perimeter bars also are seeing more East Asian customers and owners as well.

Birds of Paradise has closed down just this week. Some of the gals have moved to Walking Street Bar Nana (Banana). I guess you could find a surplus of gals at Bar Nana at this time. Personally, I find this bar too small and the seating uncomfortable.

Next to Eurasia Hotel. Pie lady. I am crazy about their Coffee Cheesecake.

America Hotel. They are still not finished with the room renovations around the pool. This was the first hotel I ever stayed at in AC.

I met a massage girl passing out cards on Fields Avenue. Her card offered 300/ hour for outcall service. She was the cutest of the lot. I called her number from my hotel situated in the Diamond subdivison. She arrived 15 minutes later. During the massage she says that it will cost 400. The extra 100 is for the trike. I wasn't thinking that the outcall service necessarily includes transportation to and from so I assented. After the flip, she starts toying with my dick. She offers sex for 2000. I told her that I wanted a BJ to get me primed for sex and she agreed. Shortly after she begins the mediocre BJ she tells me that in 10 minutes the time allotted for the massage will be concluded and that I will have to pay an additional amount as if I was getting another massage. I just was too dispirited to present a counter argument that the deal for sex was a separate agreement and did not run concurrently with the massage. Any joy that I may have with this encounter with the massage girl was irretrievably lost. All that unscrupulous upselling destroys the charm of the situation. I got indignant and told her to leave. She wanted full payment of the 2000 plus 400 for the massage. No way. She insisted. I gave her 1400 and told her to go. She wanted 50 for the trike. What are you kidding? I took a pull from my water bottle and she asked to take a sip herself. Go! Now!

Just got back to Angeles after too long away. Some things have changed, some things are the same. Still plenty of saucy young girls everywhere you look. Prices have jumped up quite a bit. P2,000 - 4,000 EWR asking price around Fields. Less around Perimeter. Viva!

I arrived about six days ago and it has been 2 years since I have been to AC. I come here despite a plethora of other international options because four years ago I met a non bargirl, a SYT, who is an absolute pleasure to stick my dick into. This despite her reluctance to blow and who is generally a selfish lover. But with age she is learning. When I met her 4 years ago, she told me that she was 18. Now I learn that she just turned 21. You do the math. She pimps her friends to me and last time I was in the PI she, her older sister, and I took a trip to Barrio Barretto. (In the ISG, Barretto is what is meant by the locations Subic and Olongapo. It is confusing but when people on ISG speak of either Subic or Olongapo, they are really referring to Barrio Barretto which is a strip of beach with its girlie bars and hotels going out of Olongapo towards Subic.).

But this SYT is not with me all the time. I have been to three bars for a total of maybe an hour. Emotions was filled with sweathogs. The girls in Garfields get sloshed in the afternoons with the expat rummies and that is all that likely happens there.

I met a girl on the walking street passing out flyers for the bar where she worked. She gave me her cell number and today she came over to see some sky rockets in flight; afternoon delight. I took my time with her. We had lunch delivered to my room after which we showered together. It was a completely satisfying experience. And at 1500 it beats paying the 3000 peso barfine.

I have read on the forum that mongers seek opportunities on WeChat. I used WeChat to make contacts but all the nice pics that I encountered were transgender types. The rest of the lot looked really weak.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2015356]I met a girl on the walking street passing out flyers for the bar where she worked. She gave me her cell number and today she came over to see some sky rockets in flight; afternoon delight. I took my time with her. We had lunch delivered to my room after which we showered together. It was a completely satisfying experience. And at 1500 it beats paying the 3000 peso barfine.[/QUOTE]Nice FR Pomp. Newbs take note.

Morsel: In honor of my missing AC, a tiny little AC cutie pie.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2012516]I had booked 4 nights into Queens just before you posted this. Maybe I should cancel Queens and up my budget a little. I'm not even there yet and they cannot provide a non smoking room unless I upgrade. This probably belongs in the AC Hotel thread. I'm going to post there too.[/QUOTE]I love the Queens hotel and have stayed there for several weeks. They have excellent cash discounts for one week or longer but for four days the prices are high and paying extra for a smoking room makes it more expensive.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2015356]
I have read on the forum that mongers seek opportunities on WeChat. I used WeChat to make contacts but all the nice pics that I encountered were transgender types. The rest of the lot looked really weak.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with what you say about they look really week. I guess if you want the dressed up lookers, then Fields and Walking street is the place to go. WeChat is full of girls who love sex regardless of how they look. (Also many LB that like sex).

Find nice girls, fuck them and have fun. Avoid the Lb & wechat profiles that ask after 1-2 messages if you want to meet up. It is full of gems.

Orchid Inn also has cash discounts. Got to agree, Queens is a bit overpriced. Love the living room though. I'll take Aqua for the best sunset pics, with a gal of course. On a budget, go to TUBS.

[QUOTE=Canute;2015627]I love the Queens hotel and have stayed there for several weeks. They have excellent cash discounts for one week or longer but for four days the prices are high and paying extra for a smoking room makes it more expensive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;2016615]Orchid Inn also has cash discounts. Got to agree, Queens is a bit overpriced. Love the living room though. I'll take Aqua for the best sunset pics, with a gal of course. On a budget, go to TUBS.[/QUOTE]Aqua has been mentioned before. My first encounter there was not exciting, it was a crowded Saturday night and just not what my (non -bg) date was expecting.

Have now been two other times and much better. Yes, both times at Sunset, both times the girl spent so much time photographing herself in various sunset poses.

The food is terrible though. I'm OK with expecting that the price will be higher but it really is not that tasty. I think the Nachos have been the best on the food menu.

I will include Aqua on any future 'dates' where I am looking to have a girl relax.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2016850]Aqua has been mentioned before. My first encounter there was not exciting, it was a crowded Saturday night and just not what my (non -bg) date was expecting.

Have now been two other times and much better. Yes, both times at Sunset, both times the girl spent so much time photographing herself in various sunset poses.

The food is terrible though. I'm OK with expecting that the price will be higher but it really is not that tasty. I think the Nachos have been the best on the food menu.

I will include Aqua on any future 'dates' where I am looking to have a girl relax.

BD.[/QUOTE]I have to agree. I went there early on a Sat. Night and there were a few people, but I was not impressed. You have to spend 500 p minimum as a guy. Girls don't have a minimum.

I ordered and the food never came. My friends food came and they finished. So I asked the waiter to change my order to what my friend ordered thinking it would come faster. So he did, then he said my original order was ready, even though my friends were done eating. I said I waned my new order. What a cluster F. And when the food came it was not very good at all. Then they made me still pay the 500 p minimum.

So we went down to the coffee shop on the ground floor and they said most coffees were not available as they were just getting started after construction. How difficult is it to make coffees?

Anyhow, I would go back for the party, but not the food. It is easy to drink 500 p worth.

I just came back from a trip to Phnom Penh after going to AC twice in the last 15 months. I already wrote a detailed trip report in the PP thread which you can find by searching through my articles. But I think it's also interesting to reflect on the pros and cons of AC vs PP. I know a lot of you guys here have been to PP but a summary of the differences between the two cities would help infrequent travelers who spend most of their time in the western world. Many people are like me, we don't have a lot of time to spend on vacations so choosing where to spend vacation time is important. That was a big decision I had to make last month: given only 2 weeks in between jobs, where should I go? This isn't a comparison meant for those who stay for long periods of time in SE Asia or come repeatedly. I'm not qualified to give those kinds of opinions.

AC Pros:

- Girls in general are prettier although there are definitely exceptions. For sure this is dependent on personal tastes. See notes below regarding how I made that judgment.

- Girl fees are more predictable. Just comparing ST prices, in AC it's 2000-3000 p for BF, 300 for LD. Or 1500-2000 for a HiSo / Walking St freelancer without drinks. This comes out to $66 maximum but often lower depending on where you find the girl. In PP you may end up buying multiple drinks for multiple ladies in the same bar $40+$10 BF + potentially lots of drinks + tuk tuk rides (since the bar area isn't concentrated). Of course you have the power to limit those costs by refusing to buy more drinks for her friends.

- Red light area is concentrated and easy to navigate. All your major choices are along Fields and Perimeter Rd, including FL options.

- Good freelancer options in terms of price, service and looks.

- Girls speak relatively good English.

- You can watch dances in a bar even without being accompanied by a girl. In PP, there's relatively little to do in a bar unless you're buying drinks for many girls at the same time. If you're being accompanied by 1 girl, she often doesn't speak English so she needs others to help her, which means drinks for the other girl too.

- In the bars, you can see the girls' bodies before calling them over.

AC Cons:

- Very very limited non-girl daytime activities. There are some like visiting Clark or the SM Mall, maybe flying if you want to spend more money, but that's really it. That's AC's biggest drawback and it's a pretty big negative for infrequent travelers on a vacation.

- Food is pretty bad. Too many Korean restaurants and not enough other flavors. Filipino food is way too sweet and oily.

- Have be sneaky about going there. You may have to tell nosey friends, coworkers or family members you're going to Manila or somewhere else.

- Cigarette smoke everywhere.

PP Pros:

- Lots of daytime activities, especially for short trips. I'm doing a separate report just on the daytime activities.

- No stigma going there since most people come for normal tourism.

- A little more developed than AC, but some places are equally run down.

- No need to change currency if you're from America, which means saving time and not having a lot extra local currency at the end of your trip.

- Pretty decent food choices. Khmer food resembles southern Chinese or Thai cuisine, so if you like that it's not a huge change. Plus you have other Asian and Western choices as well.

- While most girls are business-like, a few girls treat you like a real boyfriend, which means they can get clingy. For some people that might be a bad thing though.

- No smoking in the bars and only a little in restaurants.

PP Cons:

- Bar area is not concentrated, leading potentially to more transportation costs.

- Can't see the girls' bodies right away. They're more open to showing you their bodies after a drink.

- Girls are not as good looking on average (personal tastes). See notes.

- Difficult to communicate with many of the girls. You're interested in a lady but can't even ask her basic questions. This leads to her "mama" helping to translate, which means tips / drink for her.

- Costs are somewhat unpredictable because the bar doesn't set the total cost unlike in AC. There are some basic ranges though so you won't ever have to fork over 100+ dollars unless you always accept the girl's asking price or you go around buying ladydrinks everywhere.

- Air condition is not always found at the restaurants here, which often makes for a very warm lunch time. The bars do though.

- Not all hotels call you up before the girl leaves to make sure she hasn't stolen stuff / ran from a LT session.

- More scams than in AC, for example, from tuk tuk drivers. Although AC has its share of scammy freelancers, if you follow some simple protocols, it's easy to make sure you get what you want from AC bargirls or freelancers.

- Shittier freelancer choices: they're either old / ugly, more expensive than the bars, or scams. The motorcycle guys can bring you girls but you have to be very careful (see my PP trip report).

Notes: I attached a photo of a promo model in Aeon Mall in Phnom Penh just to use as an example. She's good looking but not a 9 or 10. From my perspective she's still better looking than 90% of the girls in the PP bars. In AC she probably beats out maybe just 75% of the bargirls. Those numbers are not really precise but it gives you some idea.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;2011879]Just returned from my AC visit, and I have to say each trip is a different experience. I did not have to barfine any girls, as my previous contacts which I did not bang came through and brought cousins and sisters along for some fun. Ended up with more pubic hair in my mouth than all the previous visits combined together. Most of these girls were either freelancers or non professionals. Managed to have several threesomes and couple of pregnant girls. One was three months and the other was past delivery date. Most of the girls were 18-21 year olds. Ongoing Facebook contact really paid off. Girls kept messaging me if I could bang their friends. I ran out of time and energy. Also, I managed to find out that couple of the girls are into pussy, so next time I will be arranging some high quality threesomes.

Of course there is always drama and jealousy when I decide to see some of my previous girls. I have learned that I really prefer short time, and not repeat with the same girl. I can definitely do without the soap opera. Love AC, and can't wait to return in the fall again.[/QUOTE]Wow. Care to share phone number?

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;2016866]Wow. Care to share phone number?[/QUOTE]Seriously? Why not go pick your own? There are plenty.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2016867]Seriously? Why not go pick your own? There are plenty.[/QUOTE]Fully concur. Its half the fun. He sounds a bit 'Manager' LOL.

Tass, thanks for your comparison of Phnom Penh v Angeles city.

You say that In the bars of Angeles you can see the girls' bodies before calling them over.

I was wondering which bars these are, as far as my experiences the last bar / stage in Angeles which had all naked girls was some 20 years ago, and the last Angeles bar / stage I saw with all topless girls was some 15 years ago.

IMHO it is fair to say as of the constant raids on Angeles bars over the last several years that one can see more flesh on any European beach than what can be seen in the bars of Angeles.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2017099]Tass, thanks for your comparison of Phnom Penh v Angeles city.

You say that In the bars of Angeles you can see the girls' bodies before calling them over.

I was wondering which bars these are, as far as my experiences the last bar / stage in Angeles which had all naked girls was some 20 years ago, and the last Angeles bar / stage I saw with all topless girls was some 15 years ago.

IMHO it is fair to say as of the constant raids on Angeles bars over the last several years that one can see more flesh on any European beach than what can be seen in the bars of Angeles.[/QUOTE]As you must have noticed, Tass was making a comparison. In comparing, he was only referring to AC ladies showing more than PP girls.

A very high percentage of AC girls are wearing bikinis and a thong / T-back to reveal belly and ass size, which makes it pretty easy to assess ones body.

BTW, if you're looking for nudity in AC, hop over to Dunk Shot at Diamond subdivision, you'll find fully nude dancers there (though I haven't visited in the past year so this may have changed.).

Enjoy,

Dave.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2016863] While most girls are business-like, a few girls treat you like a real boyfriend, which means they can get clingy. For some people that might be a bad thing though.[/QUOTE]For me its a bad thing, because I seem to often break the three day cardinal rule and hang out with the same girl for longer time. From my experience, most if not all of these girls are players, and can really fuck with your head. If you let them that is. And apparently I do.

As always, great and helpful reporting Tasss.

At NS, Dave is right. In AC at least you can usually see the tummy area to check for stretch marks and scars. Sometimes that can be an ugly surprise in PP.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;2017255]most if not all of these girls are players, and can really fuck with your head. If you let them that is..[/QUOTE]So long as they do not fuck with your money, LOL.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;2017255]For me its a bad thing, because I seem to often break the three day cardinal rule and hang out with the same girl for longer time. From my experience, most if not all of these girls are players, and can really fuck with your head. If you let them that is. And apparently I do.[/QUOTE]But be real. You know your situation and have your head screwed on tight. You are not like the love starved guys that fall in love with the first chick that bats an eyelid. You know how to go have your fun then take your ass home, leaving the amusement park behind until next time.

[QUOTE=BaboyDave;2017219]As you must have noticed, Tass was making a comparison. In comparing, he was only referring to AC ladies showing more than PP girls.

A very high percentage of AC girls are wearing bikinis and a thong / T-back to reveal belly and ass size, which makes it pretty easy to assess ones body.

BTW, if you're looking for nudity in AC, hop over to Dunk Shot at Diamond subdivision, you'll find fully nude dancers there (though I haven't visited in the past year so this may have changed.).

Enjoy,

Dave.[/QUOTE]With respect, not sure when you last visited angeles dave but t-backs / thongs was banned on the stages of Angeles by the authorities during the constant raid years and the changing of the HT laws regarding bars, personally I have not seen t-backs / thongs on angeles stages in years.

Most Angeles girls wear street clothes, elaborate dance costumes or a skirt and top showing off just a small part of their mid section.

Many pinays have very ugly scars at the top of their pussy for a couple of inches where they have had children, easily covered up by clothing, bikini bottoms or uniforms on stage.

Unless one asks to look carefully at a pinay bar girls body over a lady drink then one can very easily be in for a shock when clothes come off in the room.

Have seen many phnom penh bargirls dressed sexily and showing off their midsection same as their angeles cousins.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2017283]But be real. You know your situation and have your head screwed on tight. You are not like the love starved guys that fall in love with the first chick that bats an eyelid. You know how to go have your fun then take your ass home, leaving the amusement park behind until next time.[/QUOTE]Absolutely the best way to monger is to find, to pay, to fuck and to forget.

Lonely guys that seek imaginary GFE or a girlfriend / wife in a pinay prostitute learn the hard way once they have purchased the house and lot, the new truck, payed for college for all the family only to be thrown out in the street when the money starts to dry up.

Alas many personal friends claimed yes but my one is different, she really loves me, only to return in future years to their homeland old / broke and hating pinays.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2017283]But be real.[/QUOTE]Always a voice of reason Mr. E. You are correct on all points. AC is nothing but an amusement park.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2017296]With respect, not sure when you last visited angeles dave but t-backs / thongs was banned on the stages of Angeles by the authorities during the constant raid years and the changing of the HT laws regarding bars, personally I have not seen t-backs / thongs on angeles stages in years.

Most Angeles girls wear street clothes, elaborate dance costumes or a skirt and top showing off just a small part of their mid section.

Many pinays have very ugly scars at the top of their pussy for a couple of inches where they have had children, easily covered up by clothing, bikini bottoms or uniforms on stage.

Unless one asks to look carefully at a pinay bar girls body over a lady drink then one can very easily be in for a shock when clothes come off in the room.

Have seen many phnom penh bargirls dressed sexily and showing off their midsection same as their angeles cousins.[/QUOTE]Last short visit was last month (end of Feb. To be exact), walked in to Ponytails afternoon, Ra and Atlantis at night, all had some (in Atlantis and Ponytails most) wearing a bikini and T-back.

I may be missing something, but this is not the first time we've disagreed on something as basic as this (last time was about presence of mamasans in Atlantis).

I guess we should agree to disagree, as we obviously don't have the same perspective on the simplest of facts (not to mention opinions).

Enjoy,

Dave.

Thanks for your AC vs PP post.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2016863]

AC Cons:
- Very very limited non-girl daytime activities. There are some like visiting Clark or the SM Mall, maybe flying if you want to spend more money, but that's really it. That's AC's biggest drawback and it's a pretty big negative for infrequent travelers on a vacation.
- Food is pretty bad. Too many Korean restaurants and not enough other flavors. Filipino food is way too sweet and oily.
- Have be sneaky about going there. You may have to tell nosey friends, coworkers or family members you're going to Manila or somewhere else.
- Cigarette smoke everywhere.

PP Pros:
- No smoking in the bars and only a little in restaurants.
[/QUOTE]Smoke in bars etc. Is my #1 bugbear with AC and Ph in general, many Koreans I find are smokers with no regard to neighboring people. As cheap as cigarettes are in Ph, it is a non-essential item which makes it a luxury item for many Ph people. When I enter a bar, I first scope who is smoking and sit far away as possible.

I am always weary of the non-girl daytime activities and stock up on movies, tv, etc on my portable HDD to catch up with. Somehow, I never get to watch any of them because I am too busy sipping margaritas by the pool, sleeping all day, watching hotel movies (usually reruns I have not seen in a long time and fun to watch again), movies at SM Clark (movies are very cheap in Ph) etc. Etc.

The HDD is useful, I have a catalog of horror movies which many girls appreciate.

Yeah, Ph food is not great, but back in the real world, I often reminisce on Swiss Chalet and their quirky salad bar, many of you will have your favorites.

Yeah, CRK stamp on your passport is not a good look.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2017257]At NS, Dave is right. In AC at least you can usually see the tummy area to check for stretch marks and scars. Sometimes that can be an ugly surprise in PP.[/QUOTE]There was this girl that had no stretch marks and a tighter pussy than many nulliparous girls, so I was real surprise to find out later she has a 1 year old child. This is not the first time I have encountered this. I no longer have a nulliparous girl as a prerequisite before barfining.

Nulliparous. : of, relating to, or being a female that has not borne offspring.

I had to look that one up to be sure. Great word. Next time I'm bar hopping I'll have to ask, "Are you nulliparous?

In AC last month I bought a drink for a slim and trim little dancer. A few caresses and I noticed she had a pretty fit body. I clearly remember asking her if lived in the mountains or if she played a lot of sports. Slender, but there was a lot of muscle in this gal. As I left she gave me a hug and wouldn't let go. She had my digits and promised to text. She kept her promise, bless her heart.

A few days later I had my way with her and that was some tight little twang. I have to think her muscles have something to do with it. I've had plenty of other nulliparous gals who were slim but I felt like I was fkg a bowl of jello. So maybe a fit gal, after a baby, can still be tight. Probably the answer is yes.

There is one other factor here. This gal was pretty good with the verbal. I'm not talking about verbs, BTW. And I don't much care for the faked orgasm. She was using words to get me off. "I love your x", "you can FK me anytime you want", etc. Over four days she pretty much kept that promise, bless her heart.

I think her narrow little love hole, combined with her quick read on what was turning me on, created an exceptional experience. Maybe her twat wasn't tight at all. Maybe it was all my imagination. They do say that the brain is the biggest sex organ.

Nah, that was one very tight hole.

[QUOTE=Poopbunny;2018151]SNIP

There was this girl that had no stretch marks and a tighter pussy than many nulliparous girls, so I was real surprise to find out later she has a 1 year old child. This is not the first time I have encountered this. I no longer have a nulliparous girl as a prerequisite before barfining.[/QUOTE]

I am currently in Angeles now. It has been about two years since I was regularly bar fining here (recently mostly been with my Filipino girlfriend). On the whole I would say things are not so different to previous visits, although nothing is really better than before (except maybe the internet access).

In general quality of the girls has fallen in my eyes (I normally like the slim spinner types), but there are still plenty of good ones. Although I have noticed that the majority of the girls that fit my profile tend to be walking outside, rather than in the bars. Not sure why, probably many of these hot girls outside are working girls, but maybe just street girls, coming or going to work, already with a guy, day off or something else. Still too high a proportion of fatter girls unfortunately in the bars themselves for my liking, but in most bars so far I have tended to find a few that attracted me. On a couple of occasions the best looking ones were the waitresses (that was very rarely the case in the past).

First night I went to route 69. This was a very "hands on" bar, so is definitely good fun if you are happy to buy the girls drinks. One girl even pushed her naked breast into my face to lick, which surprised me, normally I only experience that kind of thing in Thailand. With the bar fine only PHP 2000, I was persuaded to take three of them home, something I have never done before (taken two many times), but one was so drunk she had to go home, so I am still a virgin in the "three or more" girls category. None of the three were really my type, but sometimes if opportunities present themselves I just go with the flow. The other two performed well enough.

Second night I bar fined just one girl from brown sugar. She was good fun too. But on neither night did I get a blow job. I live in Germany, and regularly visit the FKK's many times, hence naturally I am kind of used to that, so I am missing it here so far (did get a very good one with girl number 5 today from "Love Nights" bar). I should point out that I do not insist or request blow jobs (not my style), so its up to them and their normal service level if they provide that.

Anyway I am still here until the 11th April, so if anyone reading this is here too and wants to meet up, please PM me.

[QUOTE=Qw123;2018386]But on neither night did I get a blow job. I live in Germany, and regularly visit the FKK's many times, hence naturally I am kind of used to that, so I am missing it here so far (did get a very good one with girl number 5 today from "Love Nights" bar). I should point out that I do not insist or request blow jobs (not my style), so its up to them and their normal service level if they provide that.[/QUOTE]That is part of the standard service. I know you don't like to ask, just point and smile. They know the drill.

I did have one girl from last trip whom was a dating site pickup. She did not know how to do blowjob, her pussy and ass were incredibly tight so I do believe that she is very inexperienced. I'll be back in AC in a couple of weeks. In the meantime I have set about educating her:

A) sending her selected redtube clips of BJ techniques.

B) asking her to listen more carefully when her gay friends are discussing their techniques.

Let me know if you want some leads on good sources of BBBJ as I know a couple of sisters that work in a particular bar on Fields. If that's of interest.

BD.

Many years ago I did a female bodybuilder. I always liked a tight pussy, but this was encased in a woman, six-packed and with very manly muscles all over which confused me. She even knew her body fat percentage (which was in the single digit). Sadly for me, all I got was jello in the plumbing. Obviously her gym routine left out kegels.

Yet, recently, I tried a girl, much fatter and bigger than I normally go for. Her pussy was damn tight like I was deflowering her.

After, she complained how 'big' I was (which was a first), I always thought it was too small although common feedback I get are, along the lines of average, good size, etc. Bet never it's too big. By then, she had been working for a few month's and by my estimate, had fucked at least a hundred other guys.

Go figure.

[QUOTE=XMan;2018370]
In AC last month I bought a drink for a slim and trim little dancer. A few caresses and I noticed she had a pretty fit body. I clearly remember asking her if lived in the mountains or if she played a lot of sports. Slender, but there was a lot of muscle in this gal. As I left she gave me a hug and wouldn't let go. She had my digits and promised to text. She kept her promise, bless her heart.

A few days later I had my way with her and that was some tight little twang. I have to think her muscles have something to do with it. I've had plenty of other nulliparous gals who were slim but I felt like I was fkg a bowl of jello. So maybe a fit gal, after a baby, can still be tight. Probably the answer is yes.

Nah, that was one very tight hole.[/QUOTE]

When I making my comparisons of Angeles compared to two years ago, I forget to mention one thing. The bars definitely have fewer customers than I have seen in the past. Given that Easter is approaching and April / May is one of the best times to come (particularly w. Are. T. The weather), I guess I expected to see more customers. Today I went into Shipwrecked at about 11 pm and I was the only customer for about 15 minutes. Not sure why Angeles is less and less popular nowadays, although I am merely confirming what others here have also said. Does not mean it is not worth coming here, there is still plenty of fun to be had, but I guess a little less atmosphere than before.

Previous night I was in "After Dark". Definitely a higher percentage of good looking slimmer women in that bar than I have seen in some of the others during this visit. And the bar fines are only 2500 PHP. I bar fined a 32 year old (though she looked much younger), and she was absolutely great.

[QUOTE=Qw123;2018933]When I making my comparisons of Angeles compared to two years ago, I forget to mention one thing. The bars definitely have fewer customers than I have seen in the past. Given that Easter is approaching and April / May is one of the best times to come (particularly with respect to the weather), I guess I expected to see more customers. [/QUOTE]Quite the contrary.

Easter means less girls, because Holy Week (that is, Easter Week) is a big deal in the Philippines and as many girls as possible will try to go home.

Thanks Qw123 for your live updates.

You are indeed correct in saying that the bars of Angeles have been deserted by most western customers, some of the reasons for this is as follows IMHO.

Several years of constant bar raids have left Angeles city in tatters compared to previous years, almost no bare flesh shown in the bars, no titties, no pussys, no body shots, no pussy licking, no sample blow jobs, no anything, prices for girls have gone through the roof, many girls are old, fat and just plain ugly but still demand 2,500 p 3000 p and some 4000 p for mostly st 1 pop sessions, the very few girls that are young, slim and fairly attractive mostly do not barfine with anyone, those that do are extremely fussy in who they do go with, mainly preferring the very high spending low fucking asian customers or to just stay in the bar and earn high commissions from over priced lady drinks.

Let's not forget that every time we barfine a girls from an angeles bar we are barfining a H Trafficked girl in the eyes of the law which carries a 20 year no bail sentence if caught.

The internet and social media has given many girls a platform to meet punters and earn large without ever stepping foot in the bar or even angeles city, that's why many pretty girls can be seen walking the streets and on the arms of asians but very few lookers work in the bars, many girls just do not need to now with the new tools available to them.

As for the punters that want something to do with their time when they are not fucking or guys that want to eat good food at reasonable prices, stay at good hotels at reasonable prices all in a fairly safe environment then these punters would of course stay clear of angeles city.

I ask myself, Why exactly would westerners who want to visit the bars want to put up with this situation and maybe put their freedom at risk when so many other nearby destinations offer far more girls, far prettier girls, far slimmer girls that have no problem in barfining and showing a good time to westerners of any age and shape at very similar costs, the answer is, most are not.

That's not to say one should not visit ac, that it's impossible to get laid, but it does mean that westerners to get laid have to most times lower their expectation and maybe settle for their 4th /5th choice of girl because the 1st /2nd /3rd choice girl just refuses to barfine.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2018991]Quite the contrary.

Easter means less girls, because Holy Week (that is, Easter Week) is a big deal in the Philippines and as many girls as possible will try to go home.[/QUOTE]I will be in town in Holy Week and already feeling the pinch as even the best girls will prioritize the provincial street procession over servicing their faithful foreigner.

Have got one invitation to go with one of the girls to her town. Will be joining two of her friends for the trip. I'm thinking I am better to stay out of that arrangement as I will be paying 4 times for everything, 4 bus fares, 4 snacks, 4 dinners etc. I will take my chances on the remaining dregs in AC.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2019064]I will be in town in Holy Week and already feeling the pinch as even the best girls will prioritize the provincial street procession over servicing their faithful foreigner.

I will take my chances on the remaining dregs in AC.[/QUOTE]Have never yet been in Angeles during Holy Week, but one of the items on my "bucket list" is to personally witness the self-flagellation and crucifixion of Catholic penitents in the Angeles area, or in nearby San Fernando, Pampanga, on Good Friday.

Similar to another of my bucket list items, to view reported shamanistic self-flagellation and self back-cutting in Taiwan. Have been told that the self-inflicted knife cuts on the backs of the Taiwanese shamans in a religious fervor will immediately and miraculously close up and heal, but have not personally witnessed this.

Also, to follow in the footsteps of Kobo Daishi and to walk the Shikoku 88 kashou in Japan, the Buddhist temple trek around Shikoku island, which is roughly analogous to the Camino de Santiago (Santiago de Compostela) pilgrimage from southern France into Galicia in northwest Spain.

Maybe someday.

OM.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2019064]

Have got one invitation to go with one of the girls to her town. Will be joining two of her friends for the trip. I'm thinking I am better to stay out of that arrangement as I will be paying 4 times for everything, 4 bus fares, 4 snacks, 4 dinners etc. I will take my chances on the remaining dregs in AC.[/QUOTE]Stay right out of it BD.

Not only 4 of everything with your group of 3 + 1 but there will be family who will want to hitch a ride too. The dregs will trump the trip (if I can use the T word without causing anxiety in anybody).

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2019138]Stay right out of it BD.

Not only 4 of everything with your group of 3 + 1 but there will be family who will want to hitch a ride too. The dregs will trump the trip (if I can use the T word without causing anxiety in anybody).[/QUOTE]Another example BD is a friend who invited his lady to lunch at the Marriott (Sunday brunch, lots seafood etc) and found himself paying for 15 family members and friends who tagged along (she could not refuse them and tell them to stay put).

Or another friend who went to the province with his lady and sister to find himself paying for an impromptu fiesta.

Good advice from RK.

Go for it. It will be a once in a lifetime experience.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2019064]I will be in town in Holy Week and already feeling the pinch as even the best girls will prioritize the provincial street procession over servicing their faithful foreigner.

Have got one invitation to go with one of the girls to her town. Will be joining two of her friends for the trip. I'm thinking I am better to stay out of that arrangement as I will be paying 4 times for everything, 4 bus fares, 4 snacks, 4 dinners etc. I will take my chances on the remaining dregs in AC.[/QUOTE]

Guys prefer Viet ladies in PP. PP sucked and is a major drop off from Thailand. Time is better spent exploring Thailand. FLs in PP are beyond mediocre and one of their main discos became a gay bar.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2016863]I just came back from a trip to Phnom Penh after going to AC twice in the last 15 months. I already wrote a detailed trip report in the PP thread which you can find by searching through my articles. But I think it's also interesting to reflect on the pros and cons of AC vs PP. I know a lot of you guys here have been to PP but a summary of the differences between the two cities would help infrequent travelers who spend most of their time in the western world. Many people are like me, we don't have a lot of time to spend on vacations so choosing where to spend vacation time is important. That was a big decision I had to make last month: given only 2 weeks in between jobs, where should I go? This isn't a comparison meant for those who stay for long periods of time in SE Asia or come repeatedly. I'm not qualified to give those kinds of opinions.

AC Pros:

- Girls in general are prettier although there are definitely exceptions. For sure this is dependent on personal tastes. See notes below regarding how I made that judgment..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2019138]Stay right out of it BD.

Not only 4 of everything with your group of 3 + 1 but there will be family who will want to hitch a ride too. The dregs will trump the trip (if I can use the T word without causing anxiety in anybody).[/QUOTE]I appreciate the kind and helpful feedback. I was already staying out of it.

So, it works out OK. She will stay the night before she goes and will leave early. This timing paves the way for me to straighten the bed and wait for my graveyard call center girl to make an appearance.

Happy days.

BD.

Spent 4 days with my first trip to Angeles City. Expectations coming in had me nailing 10 girls with a few threesomes to pad my numbers. Instead, I had a whopping 3. Yes 3. Less than 1 per day and 2 of the 3 came in the form of an 'OK' threesome.

On paper this looks disastrous, but I have to say this was the best trip ever. To give you some background, I have earned my stripes in Tijuana, Singapore, Bangkok, Koh Samui, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Shanghai. I am no stranger to the scene of finding the ladies. But nothing beats the experience I had in Angeles City.

I had my schedule all planned out with the expectation of hitting up multiple spots. First stop. Perimeter Road in the afternoon. Felt safe walking there from ABC hotel in broad daylight and the weather in March was good considering plenty of cloud cover for shade. I think I went in 3 bars ranging from dead with not-so-good looking girls to the other extreme of busy with lot's of good looking girls, but outnumbered by the Korean clientele (Lost in Asia). Finally found an in betweener. Good looking girls, but not so busy. I was having fun at this place with about half the girls teasing me and encouraging me to take their girlfriends. Sure was tempting, but not completely feeling it. Then all of a sudden. Bam! . This amazing woman appears and I knew I was about to strike gold. I wasn't supposed to because I had plans for the evening, but I could not resist. I barfined this lovely for 2 K and off to the hotel we go.

The sex was nice, but it was the GFE that jolted me. OMG! This woman was sexually pleasing, 20 years old, and freakin' beautiful! I normally view working girls as sexual. Some hot. Some ugly, but never as cute as who I was with. I'm talking girl next door with a personality that was all about being happy and fun and she spoke English. Money was never discussed and did not feel transactional at all. In fact, after having had sex during the day multiple times, we spent the night at High Society simply dancing together. GFE at it's finest. The next morning comes, we exchange numbers, and I tip her generously. Simply rewarding behavior that is valued by us in this hobby of ours.

The next day, I am determined to find my threesome with Atlantis being my spot. After getting myself situated at a table, I ask the waitress to get me hooked up with the open minded girls. She points out a gal for me and being that she met my minimum threshold of attractiveness, I said bring her on over. She comes over and the vibe is solid. I tell her the dealio that I'm wanting a threesome and allow her to choose her partner which happens to be pleasant to the eye as well. We eventually head back to the hotel after 3 k each to partake in a bit of fun. No GFE experience here. This was sex and the sex was average at best. Not the type of threesome you see in porn where the girls appear to be in love. After all was said and done after LT, I don't even think I tipped them. They hinted. But no tip. I reward great behavior, not average behavior.

Here comes day 3 and my first girl I find at Angeles starts the siren call by texting me. I am mesmerized so I track her down at the bar she works at. I walk in and say F' it. I am barfining her for the remainder of my trip. I ended up spending the next 2 days with this woman and I completely fell 'in love'. Now calm down. It's been 3 days. How can I fall in love? Well, I'm not truly in love, but this woman has me locked into her tractor beam. Beautiful, fun, young, and giving me undivided attention. How can one not fall in love with this concept? Of all the greater than 50 gals I have bagged in this hobby of ours, I have never felt so positively jolted by this one. And if not already happily married, I would be in a dire situation of wanting to make more of this relationship which conflicts with everything my brain tells me.

Nevertheless, my trip finally finishes up. She was with me at the beginning and with me at the end. We have maintained contact with each other since and are planning to meet up again in May. I thought I would never go back to Angeles again, but her tractor beam is that strong. I have to make it happen. And I rationalize to myself, if we don't hit it off again, what are the odds I will find another GFE as good as her. She was the first woman I found in Angeles!

So in summary, I have to rank this as my best experience amongst all other trips taken and am looking forward to the next.

This will certainly not make ROD. What to say that has not already been reported? As a first timer and well experienced with Pattaya I cannot help but make the comparisons and my apologies as I'm sure you've heard it all before. I was surprised by how much slower the pace is, almost no customers, so few ladies in most bars etc etc. One bar had a stunning "Hello, girl" and 2 dogs inside as an extreme example. Mostly though to my eyes, they just look kind of used up with not much beauty to be found and I believe that I am way less picky than most on my "home board". Those who are beautiful are striking. I did pull a "regular" dancer, not a spotlight girl, from After Dark last night. One of the mamas said as I was leaving "spotlight girls are better in the room". This girl was just OK and did not do all as promised when qualifying her. I understand that in that case no tip is allowed. I tipped her anyway as it was an OK session. Some of the FLs are downright scary. Maybe I will try to find a cute massage girl for the room. I have one night left then back to MNL for 2 nights. Some of the most fun I have had is drinking and flirting with GROs (I'm new to the terminology so sorry if I've got it wrong) in my hotel bar. They are not available except on their own time but it's been a laugh a minute in good English with all jokes fully understood. I don't get much of this in Thailand. The two who have reeled me in are cousins and are 21 and 23. The 21 yo is truly hot. The 23 yo is very sexy and a very charming jokester. I think they "go" sometimes and the older one is considering me for tonight. She seems so fresh. I'm hopeful.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2019437]Some of the most fun I have had is drinking and flirting with GROs (I'm new to the terminology so sorry if I've got it wrong) in my hotel bar.[/QUOTE]I have the most fun with the GROs in the bars too. I get them to come by after work when they are not too drunk. Never mind being new to the terminology; most of them have no idea what it means anyway. Try asking them and see what they say.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2019516]I have the most fun with the GROs in the bars too. I get them to come by after work when they are not too drunk. Never mind being new to the terminology; most of them have no idea what it means anyway. Try asking them and see what they say.[/QUOTE]Though my experience in the courting of GROs is not extensive, I don't think I've ever met one I couldn't bar fine, and I'vr met several whom I did bar fine. I always thought that GROs were basically girls who didn't want to dance, couldn't dance or didn't think they looked good enough in bikinis / thongs to dance. The same is true of waitresses in Angeles, as well as door girls. Unless things have changed drastically in the three months or so since I've been there, virtually everyone in every bar was available for take out.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2019531]Though my experience in the courting of GROs is not extensive, I don't think I've ever met one I couldn't bar fine, and I'vr met several whom I did bar fine. I always thought that GROs were basically girls who didn't want to dance, couldn't dance or didn't think they looked good enough in bikinis / thongs to dance. The same is true of waitresses in Angeles, as well as door girls. Unless things have changed drastically in the three months or so since I've been there, virtually everyone in every bar was available for take out.

GE.[/QUOTE]With respect GE, if one goes into the bars and is Q.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2019531]Though my experience in the courting of GROs is not extensive, I don't think I've ever met one I couldn't bar fine, and I'vr met several whom I did bar fine.[/QUOTE]You can definitely barfine them. I have even barfined mamasans. But I like to cheap charlie it most of the time so I wait until they get off work. Tell them to come straight to the hotel or meet me at High Society.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2018998]
I ask myself, Why exactly would westerners who want to visit the bars want to put up with this situation and maybe put their freedom at risk when so many other nearby destinations offer far more girls, far prettier girls, far slimmer girls that have no problem in barfining and showing a good time to westerners of any age and shape at very similar costs, the answer is, most are not.

That's not to say one should not visit ac, that it's impossible to get laid, but it does mean that westerners to get laid have to most times lower their expectation and maybe settle for their 4th /5th choice of girl because the 1st /2nd /3rd choice girl just refuses to barfine.[/QUOTE]Maaate, why are you always so negative? Seems like most of us travel in a parallel universe to you.

Why don't you just set up your own thread. Like, "Don't visit AC".

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2020174]Maaate, why are you always so negative? Seems like most of us travel in a parallel universe to you.

Why don't you just set up your own thread. Like, "Don't visit AC".[/QUOTE]With respect, the name of this forum is international sex guide where people are meant to report honestly on what they see and experience on their travels, good or bad.

I and I am sure many others will be honest enough to let the board and would be visitors know of what is happening on the ground without bias of wanting to gain from our reports, that is exactly what this board is designed for, sorry that does not sit well with your good self and your pocket, thanks.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2020174]Maaate, why are you always so negative? Seems like most of us travel in a parallel universe to you.

Why don't you just set up your own thread. Like, "Don't visit AC".[/QUOTE]Good observation ED.

I have been to AC and it is not my cup of tea so I don't go back there unless some overwhelming (and always very kinky) reason to return, I prefer other places.

But Napa still remains negative but returns there. Maybe another Matthew Cobb under a different handle (RTFF for that person and his negative AC FRs). That he returns and still dislikes and keeps saying it remains a mystery to me. Why would anyone with resources to go to the Philippines go to / return to a place he dislikes and is generally negative about (and disagrees with fellow mongers who differ in experience from him)?

I choose not to go having been there a few times, but I know mongers on the board who love AC and are happy with the place and what it offers mainly (I meet them elsewhere usually not AC).

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2020225]Good observation ED.

I have been to AC and it is not my cup of tea so I don't go back there unless some overwhelming (and always very kinky) reason to return, I prefer other places.

But Napa still remains negative but returns there. Maybe another Matthew Cobb under a different handle (RTFF for that person and his negative AC FRs). That he returns and still dislikes and keeps saying it remains a mystery to me. Why would anyone with resources to go to the Philippines go to / return to a place he dislikes and is generally negative about (and disagrees with fellow mongers who differ in experience from him)?

I choose not to go having been there a few times, but I know mongers on the board who love AC and are happy with the place and what it offers mainly (I meet them elsewhere usually not AC).[/QUOTE]Wr, not that I owe you any explanation but we have been over this countless times, you have asked me the same questions and made the same accusations on numerous occasions, yet you still flame without cause, if you had even bothered to read my previous posts some even just days ago or my recent trip reports where I clearly explain why I am in Angeles.

Now for the last time, a branch of my company is in Angeles, I travel there for work and out of boredom in the evenings like a few beers in the bars with friends.

No anxiety here, amigo <wink cheers.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2019138]Stay right out of it BD.

Not only 4 of everything with your group of 3 + 1 but there will be family who will want to hitch a ride too. The dregs will trump the trip (if I can use the T word without causing anxiety in anybody).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2020212]With respect, the name of this forum is international sex guide where people are meant to report honestly on what they see and experience on their travels, good or bad.

I and I am sure many others will be honest enough to let the board and would be visitors know of what is happening on the ground without bias of wanting to gain from our reports, that is exactly what this board is designed for, sorry that does not sit well with your good self and your pocket, thanks.[/QUOTE]So basically what you are saying is that either every visitor to AC should be agreeing with you (hating it), or they have some financial interest benefiting their pocket in painting AC in a bright light?

For starting many posts "with respect", that's paying very little respect to fellow board members and their intentions.

I wish you as little horrifying (full of raids) visits to AC so that you suffer less and have a better life.

Enjoy,
Dave

I wrapped up my 4 nights in AC on Friday. I had a couple of drinks with the GROs at The Living Room lounge on the 7th floor of my hotel, The Queens. Without saying it straight out I got the idea from those 2 cousins that they'd be up for it but not in the hotel where they work. I was not motivated enough to solve that problem. After leaving them to their boredom in a usually very quiet place, upon recommendation I visited The New Orange Bar with the mama san's name in hand. She was mobbed by a big group who most definitely had that party started and I did not try to pry her away from them. This club, while so very ordinary on the outside was a cut above on the inside. It was of good size, good lighting, well furnished and a better lineup than my limited previous experiences. All of the women were dancing to the music too as so many in other places do not bother to even shuffle. A dancer caught my eye and flirted with me and she was cute enough to call over for a drink. I am ok if they want that 300 piso SM Light. We got on well and after a couple of drinks together, some pool on a good table, and some real cuddling on her part I invited her out. It seemed the tide had turned for me in AC and I was full of anticipation. I was quite surprised when her answer was "maybe later". Well FM! It is 1 AM and I am leaving in the morning so I let her know that I had to go and she was welcome to join me. She declined. I did not have the energy to go sort through other options. I don't think AC is my cup of tea either. I have no complaints, now I know.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2020422]I wrapped up my 4 nights in AC on Friday. I had a couple of drinks with the GROs at The Living Room lounge on the 7th floor of my hotel, The Queens. Without saying it straight out I got the idea from those 2 cousins that they'd be up for it but not in the hotel where they work. I was not motivated enough to solve that problem. After leaving them to their boredom in a usually very quiet place, upon recommendation I visited The New Orange Bar with the mama san's name in hand. She was mobbed by a big group who most definitely had that party started and I did not try to pry her away from them. This club, while so very ordinary on the outside was a cut above on the inside. It was of good size, good lighting, well furnished and a better lineup than my limited previous experiences. All of the women were dancing to the music too as so many in other places do not bother to even shuffle. A dancer caught my eye and flirted with me and she was cute enough to call over for a drink. I am ok if they want that 300 piso SM Light. We got on well and after a couple of drinks together, some pool on a good table, and some real cuddling on her part I invited her out. It seemed the tide had turned for me in AC and I was full of anticipation. I was quite surprised when her answer was "maybe later". Well FM! It is 1 AM and I am leaving in the morning so I let her know that I had to go and she was welcome to join me. She declined. I did not have the energy to go sort through other options. I don't think AC is my cup of tea either. I have no complaints, now I know.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your final trip report I have enjoyed reading.

I note that you also were having the same problems I and so many others have been reporting.

As you have found out, drinks only girls that refuse to barfine are alive and well in most angeles bars.

At least you have now tried Angeles city and found out it's not for you, if you had not gone then you would have always been wondering what if.

Back to your happy stomping ground for your next visit where all is easy and as it seems.

Trip report and findings covering 8 separate visits over the last couple of months.

Wow, it seems like every day bars are being renamed, my good friend and Angeles x pat had telephoned to arrange a meet at club XS, where I said, you know the old Stardust bar, where, the old Tao bar, where, The old forbidden city bar, oh now I know where you mean, many other bars are the same story, it's hard to keep up with so many owner and bar name changes over what seems a very short period.

Bars that need urgent updating and some decent girls that are not over 30 and fat.

Touch of class bar, probably the worst bar I visited in terms of girls.

Gentlemans bar, probably 2nd worst bar I visited, old old ladies.

Ice bar, although this bar has a very good foreign manager he has lost control and the girls have taken over doing as they please, no lookers.

Babydolls bar, needs urgent revamp, new girls.

Candy bar, very quiet indeed, 2 customers and a handful of mainly older past their sell by date dancers.

Det 5 bar, although this bar has new owners they have not been able to attract new girls, no customers when I poked my head in.

Bars that are definitely worth a visit if one likes good surroundings with some eye candy.

Atlantis bar, constantly the best bar in Angeles for slim OK looking girls, full of asian customers and the girls definitely like sitting with them and enjoying countless lady drinks, did not see any customers leave with girls though, probably some girls are willing to barfine with the right punter at the right price, definitely nice atmosphere with 50-60 girls.

Shipwrecked bar, was surprised when entering this bar after avoiding due to lack of girls, not sure if this bar has owner change but for sure it looks brighter with about 20 girls on stage a couple of girls that looked ok but were seated with koreans, worth a visit.

Equus bar, again another bar that has got a couple of girls that are both cute and slim, was informed they are sisters but unfortunately both virgins, they would not barfine during work hours probably due to their popularity in getting high commission drinks bought but they did offer to meet at Hi-so club after they had finished work followed by a double hand job / blow job but at 3000 p each they would have to find some other mug.

High Society club, as most know this is a late night disco type club, does not have bargirls but has a few mediocre freelancers, the better looking girls are sat in the private seating area and are strictly hands off, most of these girls are sponsored by Angeles big business owners on a night out with their friends, any attempt to approach will have the doormen blocking access, in truth some nights ok, some nights very poor pickings, the clientele is almost 90% younger koreans and malays and what is available definitely prefers these punters to the older westerners that sometimes can be seen in small numbers here.

In summing up, very quiet in all angeles bars, some bars only having a couple of girls, many older used up girls in many bars, the bars that do have some younger / slimmer better looking girls are swamped with asian throwing money at the girls big time and still often leaving empty handed, for those that say angeles has not become korean owned and populated they must be dreaming, should the koreans leave then IMHO it would be lights out for the bars of angeles.

Did I get laid, yes I did, my regular ex atlantis cultural dancer and girl contacted on dating site flown in from Manila.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2020474]Trip report and findings covering 8 separate visits over the last couple of months.

Wow, it seems like every day bars are being renamed, my good friend and Angeles x pat had telephoned to arrange a meet at club XS, where I said, you know the old Stardust bar, where, the old Tao bar, where, The old forbidden city bar, oh now I know where you mean, many other bars are the same story, it's hard to keep up with so many owner and bar name changes over what seems a very short period.

Bars that need urgent updating and some decent girls that are not over 30 and fat.

Touch of class bar, probably the worst bar I visited in terms of girls.

Gentlemans bar, probably 2nd worst bar I visited, old old ladies.

Ice bar, although this bar has a very good foreign manager he has lost control and the girls have taken over doing as they please, no lookers.

Babydolls bar, needs urgent revamp, new girls.

Candy bar, very quiet indeed, 2 customers and a handful of mainly older past their sell by date dancers.

Det 5 bar, although this bar has new owners they have not been able to attract new girls, no customers when I poked my head in...[/QUOTE]Maybe the good lookers seen you coming and are in the back room. I am wondering if your reputation may have preceded you. DS, how did you fly the girl in from Manila to AC?

Also how can you conclude that the slim young lookers were already barfined by Koreans when you walk into an empty bar?

It's holy week in PI, anyone there right now? How dead is it? I'm heading there this weekend.

I forgot that Easter is a big holiday there, and just remembered today. Ah well, I can still have a good time.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2021060]It's holy week in PI, anyone there right now? How dead is it? I'm heading there this weekend.

I forgot that Easter is a big holiday there, and just remembered today. Ah well, I can still have a good time.[/QUOTE]Lots and lots of folks left for holidays last week-end, getting a jump on the official vacation that starts on Thursday. Here in Davao, and also in Manila, traffic is heavy as folks flee the cities for other destinations, and lots of commercial establishments are fairly calm. I don't know the extent to which this applies to the bars, but I imagine that lots of girls left to spend time with their families, given that Holy Week is a major religious holiday here.

GE.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2020474]
In summing up, very quiet in all angeles bars, some bars only having a couple of girls, many older used up girls in many bars, the bars that do have some younger / slimmer better looking girls are swamped with asian throwing money at the girls big time and still often leaving empty handed, for those that say angeles has not become korean owned and populated they must be dreaming, should the koreans leave then IMHO it would be lights out for the bars of angeles.

Did I get laid, yes I did, my regular ex atlantis cultural dancer and girl contacted on dating site flown in from Manila.[/QUOTE]Is this your final AC report? I can't see any reason why you would return.

I too am on the ground here in AC this holy week and do notice some changes.

A) The 21 yo university student that frequents my bed cancelled her holy week family plans and stayed here.

B) One of my previous girls is getting married soon and ask me to attend her wedding later in May. That should be interesting. I like her as she did stop fucking me when she got engaged.

C) A regular wechat girl is now all loved up with new foreigner BF. I ask, can we still meet for fucking, She replies "ofc".

Still coming across stories of whitenights that are saving girls from bars and supporting the girls in a non-bar life. Once the foreigner is away home it is boring for the girls here, they soon find themselves back in their circle of friends and fucking guys. If you can just block out what might be happening, then maybe it can work.

Happy days.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2021237]

Still coming across stories of whitenights that are saving girls from bars and supporting the girls in a non-bar life. Once the foreigner is away home it is boring for the girls here, they soon find themselves back in their circle of friends and fucking guys. If you can just block out what might be happening, then maybe it can work.

Happy days.

BD.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't you think, after all that has been written about the futility of "rescuing" bar girls, the number of would-be Don Quixotes would have at least diminished? It's amazing to me that there seems to be an endless supply of gullible, obviously decent guys who actually believe that these girls, once they start receiving regular monthly payments, want to return to their villages to resume lives of utter and complete boredom. I do feel somewhat sorry for these poor guys, since for the most part I guess their intentions were good.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2021274]It's amazing to me that there seems to be an endless supply of gullible, obviously decent guys who actually believe that these girls, once they start receiving regular monthly payments, want to return to their villages to resume lives of utter and complete boredom. I do feel somewhat sorrE.[/QUOTE]Yet these obviously decent guys once they start receiving regular sex, want to return to their domicile in flyover country to resume lives of utter and complete frustration.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2021284]Yet these obviously decent guys once they start receiving regular sex, want to return to their domicile in flyover country to resume lives of utter and complete frustration.[/QUOTE]Thoreau said: "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. " I'm guessing he was right, so maybe the answer to this conundrum is that giving the girls money simply makes these guys feel good and makes their lives feel less desperate. If that's the case, I get it.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2021367]Thoreau said: "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. " I'm guessing he was right, so maybe the answer to this conundrum is that giving the girls money simply makes these guys feel good and makes their lives feel less desperate. If that's the case, I get it.[/QUOTE]I posted in another thread that guys sending money should watch out for the cousins that are actually boyfriends. His response was what does it matter as long as the guy feels he is getting value for his money. To me, that is still not justification for being someone's fool.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2021367]Thoreau said: "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. " I'm guessing he was right, so maybe the answer to this conundrum is that giving the girls money simply makes these guys feel good and makes their lives feel less desperate. If that's the case, I get it.

GE.[/QUOTE]I had a mate who was a more than decent guy who used to support a bargirl financially to get her out of the bar.

He was living a "boring" life so to speak, office job, high salary, long-term boring relationship back home.

After watching this go on for several months I've concluded that it wasn't so much the "rescuing the girl" scenario that kept him going, I think it was his way of reliving those moments of freedom he had in the Phils, feelings that he has lost so far back when he was younger.

Took me almost 5 months to snap him out it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2021382]I posted in another thread that guys sending money should watch out for the cousins that are actually boyfriends. His response was what does it matter as long as the guy feels he is getting value for his money. To me, that is still not justification for being someone's fool.[/QUOTE]Knew one AC girl had 4 foreigners sending her cash that her husband picked up. When they came to AC she stayed with them send him cash via 'cousins' and enjoyed all the pasalubongs. Ipads, mobiles, household things (x 4 sometimes LOL). Was an excellent 3 holer also LOL.

She had a myriad of excuses for the guys when asked awkward questions. A pro in many ways.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2021367]Thoreau said: "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. " I'm guessing he was right, so maybe the answer to this conundrum is that giving the girls money simply makes these guys feel good and makes their lives feel less desperate. If that's the case, I get it[/QUOTE]There you go. The entertainment value derived can't be calculated.

(It has nothing to do with being someone's fool, unless you dwell in ghetto mentality territory- a world of pimps and 'hos.).

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2021489]There you go. The entertainment value derived can't be calculated.

(It has nothing to do with being someone's fool, unless you dwell in ghetto mentality territory- a world of pimps and 'hos.).[/QUOTE]Even more astounding are the guys who send girls money, actually believe they have a faithful girlfriend, and who have never been here; they just chat or video chat. How many of those lasses have many of us shagged? I've been with more than a few who got their calls while in flagrante with me, and I had one who asked to borrow my computer so she could video chat with her US "boyfriend" who had never been here and would likely never come. These guys don't even have memories of sugarplums dancing in their heads. They've never met the girls, likely will never meet them and yet they persist.

GE.

Now now now, I tend to believe I benefit from the foreigners sending the money and may very well be subsidizing my activities. Let me give you an example. A dancer that I knew and seen from a bar had quit working for months. She must have been getting funds sent to her but I never ask her. She had no other means of support. She would come and stay the night with me and never discussed any financial arrangements. I would pay her 1 k and she never ever complained or asked for more. She was a delight to be with and I MSOG each time. One time I tested her and said I only had 200 for her trike coming and going and that was fine with her.

Therefore I believe the foreigner chap was subsidizing my nights with her. Later on I balanced it out for her by getting her a cell phone which brought me to an average of 2500 a night.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2021754]Now now now, I tend to believe I benefit from the foreigners sending the money and may very well be subsidizing my activities.[/QUOTE]Meanwhile some clown back in flyover country is whacking off to webcam chat sex. Everybody wins.

So I have written in the various threads about how I need a second facebook account to know if the filipina is cheating. But now I think I'm part of the problem.

For the week so far:

A) Girl Priority 1, has foreigner BF sending her P5 k per week. SHe pays her share of the food when she is here.

B) Girl 2 is 6 months pregnant, so let's assume she has a guy.

C) Girl 3 whom I have seen multiple times over the past few months is now applying a visa to visit her new boyfriend in her country. She arrives and is very nervous, first time she fuck a foreigner since her BF left.

So it was as I was cumming inside girl 3 that I realised I was part of the system. The more I"m fucking the other guy's girl, I guess the more pressure there is on the others.

Anyway, happy Holy Week.

BD.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2020474]Trip report and findings covering 8 separate visits over the last couple of months.


In summing up, very quiet in all angeles bars, some bars only having a couple of girls, many older used up girls in many bars, the bars that do have some younger / slimmer better looking girls are swamped with asian throwing money at the girls big time and still often leaving empty handed, for those that say angeles has not become korean owned and populated they must be dreaming, should the koreans leave then IMHO it would be lights out for the bars of angeles.

Did I get laid, yes I did, my regular ex atlantis cultural dancer and girl contacted on dating site flown in from Manila.[/QUOTE]Last month I spent 11 days in AC, on two different visits and I did not visit the bars you did, except Shipwreck. My view is totally different than yours. I had a great time and really enjoyed myself. I went into at least 12 different bars and found some real cute ladies in almost every bar, except Color Bar (total dive).

BM thinks too much.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2022152]S
C) Girl 3 whom I have seen multiple times over the past few months is now applying a visa to visit her new boyfriend in her country. She arrives and is very nervous, first time she fuck a foreigner since her BF left.

So it was as I was cumming inside girl 3 that I realised I was part of the system. The more I"m fucking the other guy's girl, I guess the more pressure there is on the others.

Anyway, happy Holy Week.

BD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Robbaf;2022175] My view is totally different than yours. I had a great time and really enjoyed myself. I went into at least 12 different bars and found some real cute ladies in almost every bar, except Color Bar (total dive).[/QUOTE]Did you ever think NapaSlapper might be a bar owner from Manila, Cebu, or even Bangkok? His (her?) posts are so consistently in this tone that this possibility has struck me more than once.

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Day One: Southern Cross "shuttle" from Manila to Angeles (it was actually a van this time instead of their bus). Stayed at Central Park for the first time. Other than only having two elevators (long waits), it was a very nice hotel. Bar hopped to get a feel for Angeles, which bar had the hottest girls (my preference is close to 20 years of age, petite, no babies, and pale). Dollhouse had the most girls, as usual, with lots of cuties. Crystal Palace and Atlantis also had some cuties. Didn't recognize very many girls, which was a good thing. I've had drama with girls from Centauro and Club Asia claiming me as "their customer" and causing a scene if I pick another girl. Took a girl from Club XS (3000 plus 500 tip for 2 hours, one pop).

Day Two: Went to the daytime bars (Para Para, Hollywood, Color, and Color 2) Took a girl from Color 2 (2000 + 500 tip for short time = 2 pm to 6 pm, one pop) After she left I went to dinner at the rooftop pool / restaurant in the hotel. Food was okay then went back to the street. Picked up a girl from Bad Boy (3000 + 500 for long time = 2 am to 7 am, two pops).

Day Three to Seven: Same routine as Day Two. Daytime girl and then a nighttime girl. Also squeezed in a couple massage girls, just HJ (1000, including tip).

Conclusion: The magic of Angeles might be wearing off or I went during a slow time. Plenty of cute girls and lots of new girls. But the real hotties and sweet girls weren't there. Also, ran into a couple of girls from my first trip 5 years ago, which was a little depressing. Also saw some videos on YouTube about Angeles and recognized some of the girls, again depressing. I also didn't see some of the girls I was hoping to see, who were amazing (not in looks, but GFE), and the girls that were there didn't match their GFE'ness, so that may also be a factor in why I wasn't too thrilled with my visit. Angeles is still better than other places I've visited (Singapore, Korea, Japan, China, Thailand, US, Hawaii and Mexico) in terms of price and GFE, but I may need to take a break to get that zest back. Also, the door girls at Club XS some of the hottest girls. Doll House and Crystal Palace also had some really hot girls, but you had to get there super early to get them (6 pm to 8 pm).

Day Eight: Southern Cross back to Manila (this time it was the shuttle, and it was packed, good for them, normally it's half empty). Took an Uber to Airforce One (first time), really liked it. 10 girls on a Sunday afternoon, 8 were cute and all were in their 20's (2000 special daytime rate plus 2000 tip, more than Angeles, but cheaper than P. Burgos). The girl said I had up to 2 hours in the room, but I left in about an hour to catch my flight. She also told me she needed graduation money, 8000 pesos, so she wanted me to pop 4 times with her (2000 per pop). Luckily, Angeles and P. Burgos tired me out so getting one pop was all I had to give.

Next stop Thailand.

I usually hire a car and driver from AC to Manila before leaving for home from NAIA. This usually cost me around P3000. I am exploring if I want to fly from Clark to Boracay and a few days later fly from Boracay to Manila. This would cost around P5000 for both flights and I would see Boracay for the first time and avoid the traffic from AC to Manila.

Has anyone ever done this? Is Boracay OK for a few days.

Flac3,

I just have to ask, why the hell are you tipping 500 pesos for 2-3000 peso short times? By your own admission the girls are neither hot or sweet and the ST price is already plenty high. I will probably catch flack (no pun intended) for being a cheap Charlie but it just doesn't make sense to me. From your report it is obvious you have no problems with cash but why reward girls for what you aren't getting?

Southeaster.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2025274]I usually hire a car and driver from AC to Manila before leaving for home from NAIA. This usually cost me around P3000. I am exploring if I want to fly from Clark to Boracay and a few days later fly from Boracay to Manila. This would cost around P5000 for both flights and I would see Boracay for the first time and avoid the traffic from AC to Manila.

Has anyone ever done this? Is Boracay OK for a few days.[/QUOTE]Me and my girlfriend went to Boracay in February for 3 days. You better bring someone with you. It is a tourist town. I can't remember about the flight. I think it was that there is not one to Clark everyday and / or it was way more expensive. So she rode the bus to Manila and met me at the airport and when we came back we rode the bus to AC together.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2025274]I usually hire a car and driver from AC to Manila before leaving for home from NAIA. This usually cost me around P3000. I am exploring if I want to fly from Clark to Boracay and a few days later fly from Boracay to Manila. This would cost around P5000 for both flights and I would see Boracay for the first time and avoid the traffic from AC to Manila.

Has anyone ever done this? Is Boracay OK for a few days.[/QUOTE]Boracay is great, the beach is clean you can come to see the sunrise to witness the beauty of it, and the sunset too. Then it's fun time, nightlife there is amazing, you never get bored. I advice you to go there at least for 3 nights.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2025390]Me and my girlfriend went to Boracay in February for 3 days. You better bring someone with you. It is a tourist town. I can't remember about the flight. I think it was that there is not one to Clark everyday and / or it was way more expensive. So she rode the bus to Manila and met me at the airport and when we came back we rode the bus to AC together.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I may not bring my own as I will need a few days rest from mongering in AC. I have a few girls waiting in Manila for a couple of nights before flying home.

[QUOTE=ElNice;2025438]Boracay is great, the beach is clean you can come to see the sunrise to witness the beauty of it, and the sunset too. Then it's fun time, nightlife there is amazing, you never get bored. I advice you to go there at least for 3 nights.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I might have to give Boracay a try.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2025369]Flac3,

I just have to ask, why the hell are you tipping 500 pesos for 2-3000 peso short times? By your own admission the girls are neither hot or sweet and the ST price is already plenty high. I will probably catch flack (no pun intended) for being a cheap Charlie but it just doesn't make sense to me. From your report it is obvious you have no problems with cash but why reward girls for what you aren't getting?

Southeaster.[/QUOTE]My experience has been if you don't tip, the girl with tell her friends and unless you're the only guy in the bar or devilishly handsome, most of the sought after girls will avoid you, tell you they're on the men's / cherry, or just take drinks. I don't tip if the service is bad. But if the girl performed, I tip. The girls I barfined were in their 20's, slim, most without a baby, and cute, so in the top 10% for AC. The reverse is also true, if I tip the going fare or a little more, then the more sought after girls tend to seek me out. And yes, I'm more interested in having a good time than saving a few thousand pesos and I'm fortunate enough to be able to do so. But to each their own. It takes all kinds to keep AC interesting.

The best advice I ever got on ISG was ten years ago. It sounded something like this, I'm getting older and heavier, and I'm going to give the girls more for their effort.

Throwing money at girls is not the best policy, but I'm not going to disagree with anything FL has posted below.

[QUOTE=Flak3;2025797]My experience has been if you don't tip, the girl with tell her friends and unless you're the only guy in the bar or devilishly handsome, most of the sought after girls will avoid you, tell you they're on the men's / cherry, or just take drinks. I don't tip if the service is bad. But if the girl performed, I tip. The girls I barfined were in their 20's, slim, most without a baby, and cute, so in the top 10% for AC. The reverse is also true, if I tip the going fare or a little more, then the more sought after girls tend to seek me out. And yes, I'm more interested in having a good time than saving a few thousand pesos and I'm fortunate enough to be able to do so. But to each their own. It takes all kinds to keep AC interesting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flak3;2025797]My experience has been if you don't tip, the girl with tell her friends and unless you're the only guy in the bar or devilishly handsome, most of the sought after girls will avoid you, tell you they're on the men's / cherry, or just take drinks. I don't tip if the service is bad. But if the girl performed, I tip. The girls I barfined were in their 20's, slim, most without a baby, and cute, so in the top 10% for AC. The reverse is also true, if I tip the going fare or a little more, then the more sought after girls tend to seek me out. And yes, I'm more interested in having a good time than saving a few thousand pesos and I'm fortunate enough to be able to do so. But to each their own. It takes all kinds to keep AC interesting.[/QUOTE]You don't want the girl to like you because you tip good, too nice and let them leave early if you do that long enough then all the girls will give you mediocre performance, expect a good tip and to leave early like they do with the koreans. You should use the tip to encourage the girls to perform better and stay longer for 1000 peso tip most of the girls will do anal and for 3000 you will get anal and make a video. There is nothing wrong with a big tip as long as the girl earns it.

So do to airlines being delayed I got to manila three hours later then what I was suppose to. So I got to Angeles City Around 5 am. Got to my hotel called the Hidden Pearl. A complete piece of shit. Quickly killed my week reservation with them and got into Red Plant this afternoon. So had one girl I talked to a couple years ago on DIA, come to the hotel. We walked around went back to the hotel and went for the rest of the morning. Very fun girl a little on the thicker side of pinay's But so much fun. Has a nice big ass. She left cause she had to go to work.

Went out for a short work to try and learn about this place and walked passed Baby Dolls. Remember reading about it so stopped in. A few fellow Man in there with a good two hand fulls of girls. Feels a little weird walking into these bars since I am still in my 30's and most of the other guys are old enough to be my dad. But found 2 nice ones I likes. Bar fine as about 1700 a piece. So I took it and went back to my hotel. I told them it was going to be only for a short time. But they were perfect. Anything and everything was game. So a very good threesome was had. With finishing on both their faces. Now it is 9 pm. About to walk down to Barnana, Where I have another freebie from DIA that want's me to come see her. Also Will go see my one from when I first got here. She has a girl she works with that is bi, and has been wanting to get in her pants. Told her she can do that when I am here. So will bring them back tonight when they both get off.

Will post pics of the first two when I get a better signal.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2028292]You don't want the girl to like you because you tip good, too nice and let them leave early if you do that long enough then all the girls will give you mediocre performance, expect a good tip and to leave early like they do with the koreans. You should use the tip to encourage the girls to perform better and stay longer for 1000 peso tip most of the girls will do anal and for 3000 you will get anal and make a video. There is nothing wrong with a big tip as long as the girl earns it.[/QUOTE]To Brocomplex.

I always tip the girl 300 peso if she offer good GFE service and stay until the morning, also I like to offer them small gift or Chocolate bar most or take them to the mall for a movie, most of this girl have a tough life and the bar owner don't paid them much.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2025274]I usually hire a car and driver from AC to Manila before leaving for home from NAIA. I am exploring if I want to fly from Clark to Boracay and Has anyone ever done this? Is Boracay OK for a few days.[/QUOTE]Boracay is wall-to-wall Koreans in a tourist trap. Pretty water and beach, but once you've seen it. Our preference is either Bantayan, Malapascua, or Camiguin (which has an airport for quicker access).

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2028961]Boracay is wall-to-wall Koreans in a tourist trap. Pretty water and beach, but once you've seen it. Our preference is either Bantayan, Malapascua, or Camiguin (which has an airport for quicker access).[/QUOTE]I find Boarcay expensive DG and prefer Suragao, Palawan etc. Would not go there again but that is me not many others. The place mentioned by Golfinho are also more preferred to Boracay by me but we all have different tastes.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2029111]I find Boarcay expensive DG and prefer Suragao, Palawan etc. Would not go there again but that is me not many others. The place mentioned by Golfinho are also more preferred to Boracay by me but we all have different tastes.[/QUOTE]The catch is that all those other places are a female dog to get to. If you have a couple of extra days to be taking planes, taxis, buses then boats sure it may be paradise. But from my research Boracay was literally less of a headache trying to figure out the logistics. Also in a lot of other places a halfway decent place to stay cost a lot more.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2029207]But from my research Boracay was literally less of a headache trying to figure out the logistics. Also in a lot of other places a halfway decent place to stay cost a lot more.[/QUOTE]What research is this? Camiguin has a flight from Cebu. Or from Cebu, its a taxi ride hour-and-half to Hagnaya pier for a ferry to Bantayan. For Malapascua, charter a bangka if you're short on time. There's no shortage of excellent hostelry in any of these places, many European-owned. And there's half decent things for a budget tourist like yourself. Siargao (with an airport) is also nice for a few days. El Nido on Palawan strictly for the scenery, but its infested with Isrealis.

For me AC can be described as disneyland for men. There are lots of filipinas to ride. If you go on the same ride too often it gets boring.

So for my most recent visit I was met at Clark by a repeat performer from a previous visit. When I say performer she knows to dress well for the return of her beau and to look like she hasn't seen her lover for years. In AC you can have whatever fantasy you want.

She takes me back to the hotel and it really is game on from 40 minutes after Clark touchdown.

Other highlights: Lollipop bar seemed to have some good stock of girls and the head dancer seems very tight. Took one girl from here.

Tropix I am starting to also like as a regular. Over two night took one dancer and one waitress from here. Barfine 2 k and 3 K (white / green badges).

Platinum (Perimeter, old Firepit) I needed to take some company on a trip to Manila. BF'd two girls so that my preferred girl would not feel the need to entertain me while I am working. In the end I kept these girls too long and I sent them on their way when I returned. I think barfine was P2 k each.

Also caught up with some callbacks from earlier visits.

Pregnant girl is now 6 months gone and she's still so horny. Always reliable and happy to turn up on time and leave when asked.

One dental assistant had a second date and she's still being hard to get. Decided to cut my losses on that one.

I had taken a Pinalove paid subscription for one month. Didn't provide any additional value to me. Sort of just a different pool of mostly P4 P. Have cancelled subscription and moved on.

Also took the opportunity to shutdown and simplify my various FB profiles.

Happy days, will be back soon.

BD.

As I've said before here, I'm not a great fan of AC, as for me it's basically a slum surrounding some bars, and thoroughly mediocre restaurants. However, I do like hanging out with a friend there, and so returned--as always to ABC Hotel--after an absence of about 6 months. Aside from the Aqua Club at the top of tower 4 at ABC, nothing much has changed from what. I saw. Same bars--though some with different names--same mix of punters (perhaps a few more Koreans on Walking St. and at the hotel than last time--and same hit or miss bar scene.

The Aqua Club, on the 9th floor of ABC Tower 4 has, I think become the "in" place in Angeles. The ladies love it; it's pretty crowded all day long, with guys spending huge sums of money to party with their ladies in the cabanas, the public hot tub and the infinity pool. Even during the week days, and the week nights, it attracts a fair number of FLs, typically better dressed and slightly classier than those found elsewhere. I'm told on the weekends the situation improves dramatically regarding FLs, but decided not to stay to test the theory as 2 nights is my ideal stay. The Aqua Club is however, the nicest night spot / bar I've seen in Angeles, and clearly puts every other venue to shame. On the other hand, it's more expensive than the other venues, and if you're up for the "point and click" ambience of a gogo bar, then probably no need to go. Last night, despite a heavy rain and a strong wind, the jacuzzi that forms part of the bar was full with 2 Korean dudes and 5 ladies that they had acquired. They were drinking a lot, and I didn't see anyone hit the rest rooms, so I leave it to the collective imagination of this board to conjecture where the urinary output from all those drinks ended up.

I did hit WS for two nights running, and found the mix of available options about as I had remembered it. A few skinny / no baby girls mixed in among those whose best days were long behind them. Patience pays however, and I was not disappointed on either night, finding one at Atlantis and one at Insomnia who met my search criteria.

Yesterday, for the first time in years, I went on an afternoon crawl on Perimeter with a couple of friends. It was good fun and there were in fact a couple of ladies in Garfield, Candy Bar and another the name of which I can't remember that were take-away possibilities. I had fun just goofing around and it was a relatively low cost, enjoyable afternoon, with a morning beginning with a first-ever breakfast at the VFW, which was pretty good.

I arrived at ABC on Wednesday afternoon, and the hotel was fully booked; not a rare occurrence acccording to some of the staff I know there. Tower 4, the newest addition, usually fills up first apparently, and there are evidently lots of guys willing to fork over Php7,500 a night for the suite rooms. The dominant demographic still appears to be North American and European white guys in their mid forties to late fifties, but there are increasing numbers of Korean guests and some Japanese as well. I'm fairly fussy about hotels so I doubt I would ever stay anywhere else in that city.

My overall impression of the city hasn't changed much. I enjoy two to three nights there, but three is my upper limit of tolerance.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2031558]As I've said before here, I'm not a great fan of AC, as for me it's basically a slum surrounding some bars, and thoroughly mediocre restaurants. However, I do like hanging out with a friend there, and so returned--as always to ABC Hotel--after an absence of about 6 months. Aside from the Aqua Club at the top of tower 4 at ABC, nothing much has changed from what. I saw. Same bars--though some with different names--same mix of punters (perhaps a few more Koreans on Walking St. and at the hotel than last time--and same hit or miss bar scene.[/QUOTE]Good write-up GE. As a regular visitor you know how to touch the parts of the city you like and avoid the parts you dislike.

Aqua is good for the ladies and I have always BYO so far. I too have noticed the increasing number of filipina hopefuls that are turning up at Aqua. My impression was they were girls with real jobs rather than freelancers. I haven't tried to chat them as I was with a lady.

The food at Aqua is quite poor, as is the dinner fare down in Vari Asia. Given that as you say the hotel is a full house, the restaurants rarely seem to be.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2033165]Good write-up GE. As a regular visitor you know how to touch the parts of the city you like and avoid the parts you dislike.

Aqua is good for the ladies and I have always BYO so far. I too have noticed the increasing number of filipina hopefuls that are turning up at Aqua. My impression was they were girls with real jobs rather than freelancers. I haven't tried to chat them as I was with a lady.

The food at Aqua is quite poor, as is the dinner fare down in Vari Asia. Given that as you say the hotel is a full house, the restaurants rarely seem to be.

BD.[/QUOTE]Agreed, About the best thing you can say concerning the food is that it won't make you sick. The selection hasn't changed in years, the wine list is pathetic, and the overall food quality is mediocre. I was actually discussing this with one of the foreign managers of the hotel, who is well-aware of the complaints. The restaurant is operated by a concessionaire, and for reasons no one quite understands, the hotel owner is reluctant to replace that company with another. The reason, I think for the virtually empty restaurant is that better quality at cheaper prices can be found elsewhere.

GE.

Grab cars have expanded quite a bit in the past two months. The driver told me there is over 40 cars in AC now. 2 months ago there was a hand full. Seems like the minimum fare is P120. From Savannah Hotel to Marquee Mall was P120. Trikes would have wanted P150+.

It is the law of supply and demand working at its best. The trikes have gotten the prices high enough for Grab cars to enter the business. I would short the stock in trikes as I think this will be the end of the high trike prices. Grab cars or similar ones are here to stay.

I just priced a trip from perimeter to CRK airport and it is <P150. Typical car service was +P300. From CRK to perimeter was the same. Last 2 times the cars at CRK was sticking to P500.

I am thinking and hoping that the trikes and cars have just priced their demise.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2034583]Grab cars have expanded quite a bit in the past two months. The driver told me there is over 40 cars in AC now. 2 months ago there was a hand full. Seems like the minimum fare is P120. From Savannah Hotel to Marquee Mall was P120. Trikes would have wanted P150+.

It is the law of supply and demand working at its best. The trikes have gotten the prices high enough for Grab cars to enter the business. I would short the stock in trikes as I think this will be the end of the high trike prices. Grab cars or similar ones are here to stay.

I just priced a trip from perimeter to CRK airport and it is <P150. Typical car service was +P300. From CRK to perimeter was the same. Last 2 times the cars at CRK was sticking to P500.

I am thinking and hoping that the trikes and cars have just priced their demise.[/QUOTE]And the taxis are air conditioned and seat 2 people quite comfortably.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2034583]
I just priced a trip from perimeter to CRK airport and it is <P150. Typical car service was +P300. From CRK to perimeter was the same. Last 2 times the cars at CRK was sticking to P500.
[/QUOTE]I've recently needed three trips from AC to CRK. Yes I've priced it too. Can I find a Grab driver to take the fare? Nope. Can I book them to take me at 5:30 am? Nope.

It seems the airport taxi mafia knows which cars to look for. One other private driver wanted to drop me in the paid car park so he wasn't seen dropping yet another fare at the airport.

For airport I collect numbers through the week then need to get one of them to accept. Not reliable.

As for trike pricing, is it the drivers that have driven up the price or overly generous visitors? The other consideration if you look at trike drivers is that none of them look like they are rolling in cash. Much of any profit is extorted through all of those random road safety checks by the PNP.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2034905]I've recently needed three trips from AC to CRK. Yes I've priced it too. Can I find a Grab driver to take the fare? Nope. Can I book them to take me at 5:30 am? Nope.

It seems the airport taxi mafia knows which cars to look for. One other private driver wanted to drop me in the paid car park so he wasn't seen dropping yet another fare at the airport.

For airport I collect numbers through the week then need to get one of them to accept. Not reliable.

As for trike pricing, is it the drivers that have driven up the price or overly generous visitors? The other consideration if you look at trike drivers is that none of them look like they are rolling in cash. Much of any profit is extorted through all of those random road safety checks by the PNP.


BD.[/QUOTE]Someone does have control over CRK transportation. Over the years going to CRK with hotel cars or hired cars I have been asked to sit in the front seat to look like they are dropping off a friend. I hope DU30 can get a full understanding of the overall corruption that is choking off his airports and kill it.

Personally I have found tipping adds a level of reliability for me.

I don't have the overall history of the trikes prices going up. Probably like which came first, the chicken or the egg? Either way the 100 pesos fares were getting good. Like anywhere else, everyone decided to jump in on the action. Even the city with high permit fees. Now you have an over supply of trikes sharing the same demand or even less demand fighting for survival. Little do they know they have paved the way for Grab.

The high trike prices have made the entry of Grab a lot easier just by comparison shopping. Also Grab adds an element of security with a documented driver and record of the transaction. Grab is still in its infancy stage. Surprisingly the drivers have told me most of their customers were Filipinos as oppose to foreigners!

Huge fire at Yokohama on Sunday. Hope everyone is ok. Does anyone have any info on it?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2035687]Huge fire at Yokohama on Sunday. Hope everyone is ok. Does anyone have any info on it?[/QUOTE]Lots of photos floating on FB. Said to be in a storage facility. Very smokey!

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2036011]Lots of photos floating on FB. Said to be in a storage facility. Very smokey![/QUOTE]Thanks. I was able to get a couple good photos myself from a hotel upper floor across from Yokohama. The smoke was so dense that it was hard to see exactly what buildings were burning. From the black smoke I deduced it had to have been rubber or tires burning. From some news articles the fire was limited to the tire storage area.

I made my first trip to the PI 30 years ago. I started in Cebu and spent about 3 weeks making my way to Puerto Galera.

And then to AC by Rabbit bus. I was dropped in town at the station and caught a trike to a hotel about 500 meters short.

Of where the McDs is at the bottom of Fields. When asked to pay he wanted around 4 times what I expected. I called.

Him a thieving prick and tried to enlist the aid of the hotel guard in getting a fair price. The guard just shrugged.

And said that is a fair price here so I reluctantly paid.

A few days later I finally figured it out. The base was still open then and while beer and pussy were cheap the yanks.

Had gotten into the habit of paying these guys a dollar for any trip, no matter how short. To this day the price is.

Disproportionately high compared to the rest of the country.

And ever since then I have never taken the pricks unless I have no other choice! Now you know.

Southeaster.

Was partying for a week in Angeles over Songkran period, staying at ABC hotel. The new Aqua Beach Club on the roof of Tower 4 is a great place to take girls and hangout in the daytime or evening. My last day I hired one the VIP Cabana's in the corner for 8,000 peso consumables. Downstairs in the Cabana was private lockers, showers, towels etc, and what we termed the BJ alcove with a bit of privacy. You can get 14 people of more comfortably in the Cabana. They have food available from the restaurant downstairs, and a DJ on a raised platform in the middle with ledge dancers, and a guy playing a saxophone. On a previous night one of the girls got drunk and naked, and bar-staff were fine about it. Has a kind of Ibiza feel style up there.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2036199]I made my first trip to the PI 30 years ago. I started in Cebu and spent about 3 weeks making my way to Puerto Galera.

And then to AC by Rabbit bus. I was dropped in town at the station and caught a trike to a hotel about 500 meters short.

Of where the McDs is at the bottom of Fields. When asked to pay he wanted around 4 times what I expected. I called.

Him a thieving prick and tried to enlist the aid of the hotel guard in getting a fair price. The guard just shrugged.

And said that is a fair price here so I reluctantly paid.

A few days later I finally figured it out. The base was still open then and while beer and pussy were cheap the yanks.

Had gotten into the habit of paying these guys a dollar for any trip, no matter how short. To this day the price is.

Disproportionately high compared to the rest of the country.

And ever since then I have never taken the pricks unless I have no other choice! Now you know.

Southeaster.[/QUOTE]In 1987 1 USD bought approximately 40 pesos. Today's trike charge of P100 is equal to $2. 100% increase in 30 years isn't too bad or is it?

I don't like paying higher trike prices myself in comparison to other cities. But who says they are comparable? Also we are talking about pesos. It always comes out in the wash. Overall AC is a bargain with lower cost hotel rooms and BF.

As I posted earlier I think Grab cars are the future in AC and it would not have happened if not for the high trike prices.

Btw, you can book Grab trikes for less than street prices.

Seems like the past few days the bars have asked me to pay the BF to the girls direct and they in turn will pay the bar. Last night not only was I told to do this but to either go to another bar or back to my hotel and the girl will be there in 30 minutes.

Seems like they are conscious of any reasons for a raid. Last year the girl would meet you outside the bar and follow you 10 steps behind.

Anyway last nights girl was a really sweet 20 yo with 6 month old baby. Not too thick but wasn't as slim as I prefer. Apparently her first week here because her jap azz hole BF dumped her when she got pregnant. Azz hole is still in Phil with a business.

She had her V stitched up extra tight and I believed her that I was the first one in 10 months. Took almost 10 minutes to slowly work myself in there. 5 minutes with just the head in there, thought I would finish right there! It was a heck of 20 minute ride after that switching to miss and back to CG for the finishing victory line. After finishing she did an extra victory lap. I guess she had some pent up energy.

She was ST BF at 10 pm but stayed until 7 am for the triple crown.

"Seems like the past few days the bars have asked me to pay the BF to the girls direct and they in turn will pay the bar. Last night not only was I told to do this but to either go to another bar or back to my hotel and the girl will be there in 30 minutes."

They are being cautious for a reason!! I was there in March and had to pay two girls directly but never had to wait for them. Other bars did business as usual.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2036565]In 1987 1 USD bought approximately 40 pesos.[/QUOTE]No, it didn't. You're off by about a decade. It was during the Asian economic meltdown in '97 and '98 that the FX rates of several SE Asian countries and S. Korea collapsed, i.e. depreciated. From '86 to '89 it traded between 20.5 and 21.5 : $1, a managed dirty float by the central bank to keep volatility at +/- 5%.

Here's a chart of Philippines FX rates from '85 to '98 by month, [URL]http://www.bsp.gov.ph/dbank_reports/ExchangeRates_1_rpt.asp?frequency=Monthly&range_from=1985&range_to=1998&conversion=Average[/URL].

[QUOTE=Hutsori;2036990]No, it didn't. You're off by about a decade. It was during the Asian economic meltdown in '97 and '98 that the FX rates of several SE Asian countries and S. Korea collapsed, i.e. depreciated. From '86 to '89 it traded between 20.5 and 21.5 : $1, a managed dirty float by the central bank to keep volatility at +/- 5%.

Here's a chart of Philippines FX rates from '85 to '98 by month, [URL]http://www.bsp.gov.ph/dbank_reports/ExchangeRates_1_rpt.asp?frequency=Monthly&range_from=1985&range_to=1998&conversion=Average[/URL].[/QUOTE]You are right. I must have googled the wrong year.

Either way the military boys paid a buck ($1) for a trike then, according to the poster. It is app. $2 today.

Hey fellas,

Long and late post. So the current country I work in celebrates Easter, but I wanted to go somewhere cheap and warm for it. Unfortunately, it wasn't until a few days prior to my trip that I remembered what a massive holiday it was in PH, I assumed everything was closed and everyone went home for semana santa just like in Latin america. I asked about how the scene was in AC to gauge if it was worth going to. But it didn't matter, I would make the trip regardless and just relax and have fun. It turns out from my experience that it was much better than when I went during high season a year ago. I just spent one night in Manila (you can see my report there in the Makati forum), and headed out to AC early. It was a quick and easy trip. I took a nap to have energy for the night. I went out to Phillies for dinner. The service and food was actually pretty good, I highly recommend it. I wanted to check out some places that I haven't been before this time around, but first, I had to stop by Qbar first to see if any of the girls from there are still working there (I knew they won't be, the turnover is huge, but a guy can hope right? Qbar is much more lively and happening than when I was here a year ago. The girls are much better quality than before, and the place is packed with customers. I talk to one of the girls, who seems to be a big deal there. Really cute, nice body, but with an attitude when I asked her if Trixie or Jenny (both waitresses I barfined from there) were still working there. Turns out Trixie is her half sister, and she's in Manila, and Jenny stopped working there 6 months ago. She was a bit protective of them because they thought I was a stalker or some sort, I don't blame here. Lots of creepers around here fellas! Looks like I won't be getting any attention here, so I leave.

Head to Dollhouse. Only 1 or two good looking girls here, who happen to be the dancers / coyotes. The other girls are wearing bikinis about 3 sizes too small for bodies 2 sizes too big for me. I really like the dancing that they "try" to attempt on stage with the videos on the TV. At least they're being active and energetic, rather than just doing the same old shuffle with low esteem / bored look. One of the dancers gets called down to have a drink with some guys sitting next to me, and the other dancer takes a break and gives me a smile and sits down next to me. We chit chat for a bit, her name is Cheryl Lynn, and has a cute face and a nice body but some teeth staining on the top of her teeth. We were laughing at her other dancer friend because the guys were being creepers and super aggressive with her and she was hating every minute of it. They didn't barfine her, and she was thrilled. Also, I guess the girls had to work at the Ms. Tropic competition the next day or something, so can't be barfined LT. Something to keep in mind before you guys invest time / money on a girl you like. I like to ask if they're open to LTing with me first before anything else happens. I pay for the drinks and head out.

My next stop was Atlantis but I get dragged into Centauro by the waitress. She chit chats with me for the entire time there. There was only 1 or 2 girls that I liked there, but not enough to even have them come over to chat / negotiate. I tell the waitress about my night prior in Manila and how I got turned down on a barfine because of the hotel I was staying at (Makati Palace Hotel), and even she knew about what happened there. She told me some other stories (not sure if they are true or not) about that hotel. I'll never stay there again. Do your research guys! We bet her a few drinks that she couldn't guess which girl I liked, but she hit the nail on the head, I guess I couldn't hide it well haha. I pay for my drinks and head to Atlantis.

Atlantis is kind of dead. There's about 5-7 girls on stage messing around. They're so awkward about it. You have your typical 2-3 girls standing around. 1-2 girls being the center of attention. And 1-2 girls engaging the center of attention girls. I stuck around here for a bit because I was getting kind of drunk at this point. There wasn't many customers. I saw some hotties just sitting around, but they were on their phones and didn't seem interested in doing anything. Paid for my 1 drink and left.

I had a pretty good time at Lollipop last time and the selection there was pretty good but didn't barfine, and the night is getting late. Hoping for some better luck. I walk in, and immediately a beautiful girl starts trying to get my attention and trying to offer her friends to me. All the girls are dressed up elegantly, not the normal bra and panties like last time. It was Good Friday, so I guess they had to class it up. I sit down and noticed 2-3 good looking girls here, but the girl who tried to get my attention at first, kept flirting with me and kept suggesting her friends. I ask for your instead. She joins me for a drink. Her name is Giselle, this really tall and friendly girl. We chat and I thought we had pretty good chemistry. So I start the negotiating process. Apparently, the barfine that you pay is supposed to cover everything, but it's really up to the girl for ST or LT and you don't have to tip after. This blew my mind, either I've been a chump this whole time, or I brought the wrong mentality here. I always assumed it was the same everywhere. Oh well, if I did pay unneeded or unnecessary extra, it wasn't for much. So I decide to barfine her LT. They were closing up, so her two friends (Shierelyn and Joy) wanted to hang out with us at High society. I thought Joy was absolutely beautiful, but she was a tiny thing, and I think I prefer tall and stacked. We hang out and have a blast at High Society, Giselle and I's chemistry was through the roof, making out on the dance floor, dancing the night away while everyone there was watching us, I knew we're going to have a great time later in the night. I thought Shierelyn was pretty fun too, and had a good sense of humor. Joy left us to meet a customer at his place. Afterwards, we head to Voodoo for a couple of drinks. The place was pretty dead, and not much good options here. I start to make out with Shierelyn, and the two girls seem to have pretty good chemistry and good vibes, so I ask if Shierelyn wanted to come back to the hotel with us. I believe the girls get 25% or 50% of the barfine, so I'm able to just give the fine directly to her instead. Head to kokomos to eat. I'm not a big fan of Filipino food, and from all of the drinking and dancing, my stomach was in knots, and then the look and smell of the food made me pretty sick. I ended up giving the beggars my food, at least I know it'll go to them and they will eat it, rather than giving them money.

Head back to my hotel. Unfortunately, my stomach was too upset to do anything, so I opted to go to bed, the girls cleaned themselves up later. I wake up and start finger-banging Giselle from the big spoon position. Once nice and wet, she grabs my junk and lets me enter her raw. I start pounding away but thinking at the same time this is stupid, but it feels so damn good. I honestly could just keep going and explode in her right now, but after a few minutes of this I came to my senses, both because of the dangers of contracting something AND being a jerk and potentially making her pregnant (not sure what her stance on is on abortions and morning after pills, etc). I go put on the cover and mount her from on top. She is such a sexy woman, with long powerful legs and a nice and warm pussy. I start pounding away in mish with her legs and knees spread wide open and I'm not long for endurance before I blast my juices inside of her. But I spasm and do a powerful thrusts with a groan, which she mimics and makes fun of me for, and we laugh our asses off. We go back to bed.

After another nap, I'm ready for round two, and wake up Shierelyn with a fingerbang from the big spoon position as well. I skip the bareback and throw on the cover to prevent me from being foolish. She gives me a CBJ, while I finger bang and grope her body, and my other hand groping Giselle's big round bottom. We start out in big spoon, then doggy, and then mish. She had really good kegel control and was able to hold tight and squeeze me the whole time killing my stamina, even though I just recently nutted. I pound in mish and blast inside as well, doing my spasm with grunt and powerful thrusts, but this time I started laughing in the middle of my nut because Giselle mimicked it right before. I was laughing so hard, because you're essentially on display, and from the views of the girls, they have to witness all of it. We say our goodbyes and I tell them I will stop by later to chat with them. I definitely had a good time with those two. Definitely more to cum!

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2037064]Hey fellas,

Long and late post. So the current country I work in celebrates Easter, but I wanted to go somewhere cheap and warm for it. Unfortunately, it wasn't until a few days prior to my trip that I remembered what a massive holiday it was in PH, I assumed everything was closed and everyone went home for semana santa just like in Latin america. I asked about how the scene was in AC to gauge if it was worth going to. But it didn't matter, I would make the trip regardless and just relax and have fun. It turns out from my experience that it was much better than when I went during high season a year ago. ![/QUOTE]Good report and this shows it doesn't matter when you go to AC, patience works.

Thanks for posting.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2036685]"Seems like the past few days the bars have asked me to pay the BF to the girls direct and they in turn will pay the bar. Last night not only was I told to do this but to either go to another bar or back to my hotel and the girl will be there in 30 minutes."

They are being cautious for a reason!! I was there in March and had to pay two girls directly but never had to wait for them. Other bars did business as usual.[/QUOTE]There is a report from a bar owner, on another site, that got raided by an undercover policeman / policewomen recently. Seemed they came in a few times before asking for a barfine. The waitress took the cash upfront and he is not sure if the waitress was involved or not, as their rules are no money changes hand in the bar.

Another long post following up from my last one.

I was staying at the Devera hotel, unfortunately there were no windows in the room, so when I finally woke up from my previous night, it was already well late into the afternoon. My entire goal here in AC was to check out the stuff I didn't get to check out the first time I was here and have a way better time than my first. Unfortunately, I had work to do as well, so I couldn't spend the whole day mongering. I head out to grab some food, and went to Margarita station. I don't like this place as much as Phillies, as the service, food, and price weren't as good. My eyes were bigger than my stomach and was still a bit sick from the previous night of drinking and was only really able to eat some of the food. I noticed lots of local girls here with their western boyfriends / husbands. I decided to lay off on the heavy drinking this time around.

Afterwards, I head back into lollipop to see the selection and to hang out with Giselle and Shierelyn and have a drink with them. My stomach was still upset so I just ordered a water. The girls looked much better today than they did the night before, probably because they were dressed scantily. We were still joking about my seizure O face. I saw Joy on stage, and she was looking pretty darn good, but seemed a bit shy and reserved. I told the girls I would be back later.

Head out to Viking. Sooooo many Koreans here, customers and staff. I asked the mamasan (was a ladyboy) if the owner was Korean, and it turns out he is. Explains a lot. The girls here are ok, they were fully dressed, so you couldn't really see the product. I didn't see anything I liked. I had one drink, but drank it at a slow pace due to my stomach still acting funny. Not a big fan, but I see so many people always sitting outside of the place, something had to be good about it.

Move to shooters next. The place was empty, with only a few girls and twice as many guys here. It's relaxed, small, and cozy here, but not much going on, nor were the girls that much impressive. I had an iced tea here.

Head to monsoon. The place was dark and the stage hard to see all of the girls, kind of like voodoo or champagne. I'the say there were 1-3 good looking girls here, but nothing to write home about. The papasan kept bringing me girls, and the mamasan was chit chatting with me the whole time. There's so many other customers, I wonder why they were so pushy with me. Anyways, one of the waitresses here was pretty hot. Had pink hair, and was stacked. Kept telling me "I go home with you". I was pretty much prepared to do so, but the night was still early and I like to keep my options open. I had an iced tea here as well, but it was too sugary.

Head to shipwrecked. The place was packed with lots of girls. There was a few pretty good options here. The wait staff was funny and friendly. I ordered an apple tea here. One of the girls was absolutely stunning. Nice tight body with an innocent but beautiful face. She was essentially my number 1 up to this point as far as looks were concerned, but I think she was too young and wouldn't perform as well. So I have a few good options, but wanted to check out a couple of other spots.

Head back to Atlantis to give it another try. I have to say, fellas, do not judge a place or a city based on your 1 experience. Things are soooooo different each and everyday. Atlantis the previous night was dead, no girls, and no customers. But the very next night, the place was packed with girls and customers. It can really skew your perception. I didn't stick around long, but this was eye opening how things can flip so easily. I didn't see any girl worth staying around for a drink for. I head back to lollipop and see if any better options have come in. It was getting late, and there were two to three other hotties that showed up, with Joy still there. I have Shierelyn come over and she pretty much gave me the inside info of all of the girls available. 2 of the hot girls were on their men's (saved myself time and money there), and the other girl had a phenomenal bottom, but I was infatuated with Joy. I call her over and chat her up with Shierelyn who was her friend. She was looking beautiful and elegant chatting with me and playing coy the whole time. Turns out she's 20, which was so unexpected because she seemed so mature and well composed. So I ended up deciding to barfine her.

She goes get dressed in this sexy red dress and we head out to Red, but it was dead inside and we walked right out. She wanted to go to Qbar for a drink. And while walking in, the head waitress / half sister of Trixie from the night before, looks Joy up and down, judging her and I believe was essentially comparing her sister and my choice of the night hahahah this cracked me up. It seemed like she was making sure I had good taste. I looked her and smiled and she smiled back. Qbar again was packed and had lots of girls. I had pineapple juice. I noticed that Joy wasn't as gorgeous as she was in lollipop. The girls told me that there's a ladyboy who does their makeup at lollipop, and it really utilizes the lighting in that place. If the lighting is different, it focuses on the wrong features and makes the makeup look way over the top. This is what happened at Qbar. After one drink we decide to head back to the hotel.

At the hotel Joy was pretty shy. Wanted me to go shower first, but not together. I'm OK with that, I normally like showering together for environmental reasons, but really because I like doing naughty things in there haha but whatever makes her comfortable, as long as it doesn't interfere with my own happiness and satisfaction is fine. A lot of the times, women would take their makeup off and scare the hell out of me with their real face, but Joy didn't do that, and I believe she would have been pretty underneath it all regardless. We start out with a DFK, and then she bbbjs me while I'm lying on my back and I fingerbang her from the side. She makes a lot of deep eye contact. She then throws the cover on, but she was using condoms that were made locally. Not trying to brag or anything, but these were very tight and painful. I'the consider myself average, but these felt like they were extra small. Anyways, I asked her "you want to fuck already? I can eat your pussy first if you want" which she was both surprised and ready and willing. I work her small breasts before work my way down to DATY with fingerbang, and she got super soaked so easily, she tasted fresh and sweet. Then I go into the mish, and she looks into my eyes deeply every now and again, and then we switch to doggy, and I pound her from behind while she makes more eye contact by looking at the mirror on the side. I can see myself stretching her, she's a tiny girl about 5'1, maybe 100 pounds. We switch back to mish where she's saying some sexy and exotic stuff to me, and then I ask her if she wants to explode inside of her, which she does. Deed finished. We then snuggled and watched My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2. The way she speaks English and holds herself, she seemed super exotic. Her English sounds like a mix of Russian with Italian. I can't explain it. She's also very very flexible, she does stretches and exercises daily. We go to bed.

The next morning, I wake her up with a fingerbang from the big spoon position. I put on another one of her tiny condoms and plow her from the same position. I'm starting to see that I'm very mechanical and scripted as far as how I do my business now, but it makes things easy and streamlined. I don't kiss in the morning due to my own morning breath, but I haven't really encountered bad breath from the other end. Anyways, pounding away, I switch to mish and finish there with her gazing into my eyes and beginning for me to cum, then I blast all the liquid I'm holding inside of her.

She's a great girl, and I can't believe I barfined 3 people from the same place. It turns out all 3 were each other's roommates at some point. I had a much better time around this time than the first. I think it's a good lesson that you can have fun anywhere at anytime, and that you shouldn't base things on just one or two bad impressions. It'll be a very long time before I come back here, as I want to check out other places in other parts of the world. For newbies and veterans alike, I can see why it's such a contentious place. The value is definitely there, although you do get what you pay for. But to each their own.

Happy mongering fellas!

[QUOTE=Robbaf;2037274]Good report and this shows it doesn't matter when you go to AC, patience works.

Thanks for posting.[/QUOTE]Was in Blue Sapphire the old night and signs posted on the walls that read No Bar Fine. I asked the girl what that meant and she replied no bar fines allowed. I shrugged my head like "and" and there was no other reply like is there a way around it. Didn't want to invest in any lady drinks to find out.

Played a few games of pool with the pool table girl and gave her P50 for each game she won. Overall it was more relaxing there without any pressure to chat up any girls or buy any LD. Went back the next day to play some more pool with the girl. Later on walked over to another bar for evening entertainment.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2037384]Another long post following up from my last one.

I had a much better time around this time than the first. I think it's a good lesson that you can have fun anywhere at anytime, and that you shouldn't base things on just one or two bad impressions. It'll be a very long time before I come back here, as I want to check out other places in other parts of the world. For newbies and veterans alike, I can see why it's such a contentious place. The value is definitely there, although you do get what you pay for. But to each their own.

Happy mongering fellas![/QUOTE]Great report ThomKAtt, I totally agree with you. I have been going to AC yearly for the past 10 years and I still enjoy it, even with some bad experiences. I never have a hard time finding girls who are "hot" to me and always seem to find the GFE, I look for.

I arrived in Manila last night at 9 pm. I went outside to get a yellow taxi to Victory Liner bus station. What happened to the yellow taxi stand? It was gone. I looked around in 360 fashion and saw they had moved it across the driveway closer to the building. I walked over and stood in line. It was hot as fuck so I had to break out a towel and constantly wipe my sweat.

It was my turn for taxi. I hopped in and told him to take me to Victory Liner in Pasay. He said shit you can walk there. I said I know right. He asked if I wanted him to take the skyway and I told him of course. 20 pesos. I was doing some work during the short ride. When I finally looked up we were pulling into the bus station. But there was something strange going on. The meter said 268 pesos. I asked him how much the ride was and he said 268. I said man this ride was to Pasay, not Quezon City. This is not my first time here. I am here every month and the ride is around 100 pesos. I handed him 150 pesos and told him that he was lucky I did not have change or he would be getting less than that. Then I got out.

I walked inside the bus station. I waited in the Olongapo line behind one lady that took at least 10 minutes. It looked like she was buying 10 tickets. This fucking place needs to get automated. The lady behind the counter had to write out 10 tickets. In 2017 this type of thing should be done with a couple of strokes on a keyboard. I got to the front of the line and told the lady I was going to Dau. She said the Dau line is the next one over. Son of a. It happens to me everytime. They only have 3 lines that you can buy tickets to go anywhere, but the 3 lines only have the name of one city on the window. So while I was in the Olongapo line, I should have been in the Baguio line.

Well lucky that there was nobody else in that line so I just moved over. Told the lady I was going to Dau and she started writing out the ticket. I asked her what time the bus left. She said 11:30. Fuck that noise. It was only 10 pm and it was hot as all get out in that bus station. I got money. I would be damn if I waited out there an hour and a half. That would mean I would not arrive in Angeles until about 3 am. I told her to cancel the ticket and I would just take a taxi. In classic Filipino fashion she kept writing the ticket out. I said ma'am I will just take a taxi. I do not need the ticket.

Having read Dg's report on Grab, I downloaded the app before I came. I walked outside and tried to get one to AC. 5700 pesos? Hell nawl man! I switched to the Uber app and it did not give me a fee, but said surge pricing 1.8X. Let me just find a taxi dropping someone off and get them to take me. One tout asked where I was going and when I told him he said 3500 pesos. I said man no way. I am aware of guys paying 2500 back and forth to AC so I knew better.

There were plenty of white taxis around, but no yellow ones. I finally saw a yellow taxi dropping someone off and asked him how much to go to Angeles. He said 3000. I said no way man. 2500. As he declined in an attempt for further negotiations, another driver that was in earshot jumped all over the offer of 2500. Just then I changed it to 2000. He said okay but you pay tolls. Tolls are 200 (ended up being 20 for the first and 153 for the second). I said okay. We got into his car and he tried to change the deal to me paying tolls for both ways. I said dude I am only going one way. Get someone else to come back with you to pay the return tolls. So this was to be my second time taking a taxi to AC. Years ago on my first trip me and two wingmen took one going, but I met up with a Filipino friend of mine while there who taught me how to take the bus for 1/12th of the price and that is how I have been doing it ever since.

While on the highway in the taxi I had the bright idea to swap the sim cards in my two phones. I have one US phone that I get free international internet with and one other phone that I use for local SIMs. My worst nightmare came to pass. As I was changing cards the driver hit a bump and everything fell out of my lap. I lost my US SIM. I looked and looked and looked. I took the back seat up while the driver was driving and could not find it anywhere. They make the damn things so small these days. Oh well. I will not be back in the States until the middle of next month so I will get a new one then. (A few minutes ago I called my US carrier to turn off the SIM in case someone else found it and guess what. The girl that answered was in a Manila call center.).

I arrived at my hotel at midnight thinking I would still be on EDSA had I waited for that 11:30 bus. When I checked in they asked for my ID. I said shit. I am here every month and you guys are still asking me for ID? I went up to the room and relaxed for about an hour then decided to head out to High Society. Oh. Almost forgot. The taxi driver could not make a left to get to Fields/Perimeter so I got out and walked across. I saw many freelancers in the place between JJs and Europa. It kind of looks like a park but it is not a park. It is more of a courtyard with kiosks around it. It is directly across from the jeepney station.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2037384]Another long post following up from my last one.

Afterwards, I head back into lollipop to see the selection and to hang out with Giselle and Shierelyn and have a drink with them. My stomach was still upset so I just ordered a water. The girls looked much better today than they did the night before, probably because they were dressed scantily. We were still joking about my seizure O face. I saw Joy on stage, and she was looking pretty darn good, but seemed a bit shy and reserved. I told the girls I would be back later.

Head out to Viking. Sooooo many Koreans here, customers and staff. I asked the mamasan (was a ladyboy) if the owner was Korean, and it turns out he is. Explains a lot. The girls here are ok, they were fully dressed, so you couldn't really see the product. I didn't see anything I liked. I had one drink, but drank it at a slow pace due to my stomach still acting funny. Not a big fan, but I see so many people always sitting outside of the place, something had to be good about it.

Move to shooters next. The place was empty, with only a few girls and twice as many guys here. It's relaxed, small, and cozy here, but not much going on, nor were the girls that much impressive. I had an iced tea here..[/QUOTE]Man that is a lot of bar you hit in one night. Did you do a hit and run of you spend some time in each bar? Last time me and my friend did the same and must have spend a few hundred just on our own drinks.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2037707]I arrived in Manila last night at 9 pm. I went outside to get a yellow taxi to Victory Liner bus station. What happened to the yellow taxi stand? It was gone. I looked around in 360 fashion and saw they had moved it across the driveway closer to the building. I walked over and stood in line. [/QUOTE]Good report. Its good to know uber is available to Angeles now. Last year when I put in Angeles city as my destination at Manila airport it said something like out of range. I had a hunch it might work if I walked a little bit away from the airport, but with the all the chaos around and having my baggage, it didn't seem like a wise thing to do. I made the mistake of counting on uber and not arranging a ride with the hotel, Wild orchid rates are around 2700 I think, its the way to go. I had to take a taxi and the taxi mafia at arrivals had flyers showing 4000 - 4500. I went upstairs to departures to try the age old trick. One guy told me 3000 and I hopped in and as we were on our way he got on his cell phone a couple of times and told me he misquoted and its now 4000. At that point, it was whatever. It was during the day on a Friday and the ride took me over 4 hrs in the atrocious Manila traffic and construction along the highway. The traffic was so bad he took a few diversions after some inquiries along the way. And we got stopped by a motorbike cop for really no reason at the roundabout closer to Angeles. He made a wrong turn or something, I couldn't tell. It took another 20 to 30 minutes for him to sort it out with the cop. He had to pay around 400 pesos as bribe. It was little unnerving sitting in the taxi while this was going on. I did have an enjoyable week after that, so all ends well.

Thanks to my girlfriend I just spent a fortune on some nasty ass garlicy, fatty, saucy Filipino food. That shit will not be happening again. We could have eaten at Dad's at these prices. Time to send her home; my wechat is blowing up!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2037830]Thanks to my girlfriend I just spent a fortune on some nasty ass garlicy, fatty, saucy Filipino food. That shit will not be happening again. We could have eaten at Dad's at these prices. [/QUOTE]Hahaha. The asparagus tips cost more than the BBQ.

My girlfriend works at a massage parlor. They wear uniforms for work. After she checked in for work this morning she came over to see me. After she left she sent me a message saying that the lady gave her a hard time when she went back to the desk to pick up her ID.

She though and ensist that I did your massage in the room. I said, I did not. Becoz they don't allow other therapist in that hotel to do s0. Them I told her, many time, I did not. And told her, I'm the GF, myghosh!

On another note, this place tickles the shit out of me. There is a new thing going around where you are walking down the street and as the person walking in the opposite direction passes you they stick out their hand hoping you put money in it. Has it really come to that? I don't know any other place in the world with the begging audacity of AC.

I was at ABC for a couple of nights this week, and I found that the Aqua Lounge is growing on me. It's a great place to relax and people watch. On Friday afternoon, for example, I watched as 3 youngish Korean guys, who had rented a cabana, partied with (yes I counted) 27 bar girls, likely drawn from Korean bars. The girls had a great time frolicking in the pool, and those of us sitting around the pool and chilling out had fun watching them. It costs about Php16,000 to rent a cabana for half a day, and the entire amount is consumable. I'm guess that with 27 girls plus three guys consuming an endless parade of drinks, the Php16,000 didn't last long, and the final bill must have been huge.

The food at Aqua--as well as in the rest of the hotel--leaves a lot to be desired, but aside from that, I enjoy the dedication to hedonism that the hotel represents.

GE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2037707]I arrived in Manila last night at 9 pm. I went outside to get a yellow taxi to Victory Liner bus station.

It was my turn for taxi. I hopped in and told him to take me to Victory Liner in Pasay. He said shit you can walk there. I said I know right. He asked if I wanted him to take the skyway and I told him of course. 20 pesos. I was doing some work during the short ride. When I finally looked up we were pulling into the bus station. But there was something strange going on. The meter said 268 pesos. I asked him how much the ride was and he said 268. I said man this ride was to Pasay, not Quezon City. This is not my first time here. I am here every month and the ride is around 100 pesos. I handed him 150 pesos and told him that he was lucky I did not have change or he would be getting less than that. Then I got out.[/QUOTE]Taxi from NAIA always a hassle, lots of scam and ripping off. For AC generally I use white bus loop line departs from NAIA-III. It is hassle free 20 php ride enters in Genesis Bus line station beside taft AVE MRT. In the end of the Airport White Loop line, there a Genesis bus always standing for Baguio. Just ride on and drop over at Dau for AC.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2038138]I was at ABC for a couple of nights this week, and I found that the Aqua Lounge is growing on me. It's a great place to relax and people watch. On Friday afternoon, for example, I watched as 3 youngish Korean guys, who had rented a cabana, partied with (yes I counted) 27 bar girls, likely drawn from Korean bars. The girls had a great time frolicking in the pool, and those of us sitting around the pool and chilling out had fun watching them. It costs about Php16,000 to rent a cabana for half a day, and the entire amount is consumable. I'm guess that with 27 girls plus three guys consuming an endless parade of drinks, the Php16,000 didn't last long, and the final bill must have been huge.

The food at Aqua--as well as in the rest of the hotel--leaves a lot to be desired, but aside from that, I enjoy the dedication to hedonism that the hotel represents.

GE.[/QUOTE]I have not lock in my AC booking next month yet. Your report really tempt me to spoil myself for once and lock into ABC.

Being the buildin club of ABC hotel. I assume their girls quality are high? How much is the lady drink and overnight bar fine?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2037707]I arrived in Manila last night at 9 pm. I went outside to get a yellow taxi to Victory Liner bus station. What happened to the yellow taxi stand? It was gone. I looked around in 360 fashion and saw they had moved it across the driveway closer to the building. I walked over and stood in line. It was hot as fuck so I had to break out a towel and constantly wipe my sweat. It was my turn for taxi. I hopped in and told him to take me to Victory Liner in Pasay. He said shit you can walk there. I said I know right. ot have change or he would be getting less than that. Then I got out.
I walked inside the bus station. I waited in the Olongapo line behind one lady that took at least 10 minutes. It looked like she was buying 10 Well lucky that there was nobody else in that line so I just moved over. Told the lady I was going to Dau and she started writing out the ticket. I asked her what time the bus left. She said 11:30. Fuck that noise. It was only 10 pm and it was hot as all get out in that bus station. I got money. I would be damn if I waited out there an hour and a half. That would mean I would not arrive in Angeles until about 3 am. I told her to cancel the ticket and I would just take a taxi. In classic Filipino fashion she kept writing the ticket out. I said ma'am I will just take a taxi. I do not need the ticket.
There were plenty of white taxis around, but no yellow ones. I finally saw a yellow taxi dropping someone off and asked him how much to go to Angeles. He said 3000. I said no way man. 2500. As he declined in an attempt for further negotiations, another driver that was in earshot jumped all over the offer of 2500. Just then I changed it to 2000. He said okay but you pay tolls. Tolls are 200 (ended up being 20 for the first and 153 for the second). but I met up with a Filipino friend of mine while there who taught me how to take the bus for 1/12th of the price and that is how I have been doing it ever since..[/QUOTE]Why would you want to take a 6 to 8 hour bus when you can get a 45 minute plane ride for probably the same cost?

If you arrange with your hotel in Angeles, they will send a car and driver will meet you at arrivals. Then, you get in the car and are driven to your hotel.

There are two taxi queues at Terminal 3 arrivals: the white airport taxis in front; and the yellow ones with meter on other side of traffic lane. Also, note: it's now possible to easily walk to Belmont Hotel when arriving.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2038260]Why would you want to take a 6 to 8 hour bus when you can get a 45 minute plane ride for probably the same cost?

If you arrange with your hotel in Angeles, they will send a car and driver will meet you at arrivals. Then, you get in the car and are driven to your hotel.

There are two taxi queues at Terminal 3 arrivals: the white airport taxis in front; and the yellow ones with meter on other side of traffic lane. Also, note: it's now possible to easily walk to Belmont Hotel when arriving.[/QUOTE]Possibly some cold hard figures might explain.

From Sampaloc to Subic via Dau and the SCTexpressway cost 243 p and the trip took approx. 2. 5 hrs to Dau, including 1 HR getting on to the NLEX. Can you tell us who flies presumably from MNL to CRK at all, let alone for this fare?

Certainly your hotel in AC will arrange a car, but I doubt it will cost much, if any, less than the 2200 p that Mr E paid. At Terminal 1,the white 'coupon' taxis quoted 860 p to Ermita, and the yellow 'airport metered' taxi hit 480p on the meter for the same trip. To give people a comparison, the opening offer from a bog-standard taxi from my hotel back to the airport was 400 p!

[QUOTE=ShiningWit;2038365]Possibly some cold hard figures might explainp![/QUOTE]OK, my turn to explain: departing from metro NY and arriving at night -- either 8:55 pm if thru HKG, or 11:00 pm if connection made at Narita -- I'm more than glad to see the hotel driver waiting at arrivals for the princely sum of. 2600 pesos! Actually, no matter what time I arrive, cannot conceive of getting to AC any other way.

Yesterday I decided to head up to the perimeter bars. I actually wanted to go to the bar where the girls suck dick under the table, but after searching the thread for a while I could not find that report about it. (I need to start writing these things in my phone as I come across them.) I did, however, find a report by Java Man that speaks of the perimeter BJ bars. So I took notes on that and headed out. I jumped in a trike and told him to take me to Candy Bar.

When I got out of the trike chicks from other bars were calling me trying to get me to come over. I pretty much ignored them. I went in and had a rum and coke for 70 pesos. I left out of there to find the BJ bars.

As soon as I walked out the chicks from Det 5 were calling me over. I went over and immediately saw a girl that was my type. She told me to come inside. I said no because I have other places I need to go first. I could not resist this chick though. I told her to come inside with me. I went inside and sat at the first seat next to the door and ordered another rum and coke, 70 pesos. The chick was dancing between my legs and playing with my dick.

Sidenote: My late uncle would always wear shorts to the strip clubs back home to make for easier action in the form of HJ, BJ, and FS. His spirit must have been talking to me before I left the hotel because I put on some parachute gym shorts to wear to the bars. They worked out perfect and next time I may even try them with no underwear!

My dick was as hard as chinese arithmetic. It made the parachute shorts into a tent. When other chicks would walk by I would ask them if they wanted to play with it next. We were having a great time. I asked her how much bar fine was and she said 2000. I said shit I thought perimeter bars were supposed to be cheaper. I don't know how I ended up asking her about licking my ass but she said of course. Just so happens that she has a kid with a guy from my city back in the states. She said that they met on facebook when she was back home and before she started working bars. I asked her her name and before she could respond I said never mind I really do not want to know. (It is now 8 am and she is sleeping beside me and I still have no idea what her name is.).

One of the waitresses kept coming over asking me to buy the girl a drink. Then another dancer started coming over doing the same. This is my experience in bars. The girl that is with me never asks for anything, but the other girls around constantly hound me to buy a drink for the chick that is with me. I kept telling them no, but they would come right back and ask again. Finally I said we are leaving together when I finish my drink so there is no need for me to buy a drink for her. I asked the chick how long she would stay for 2000 pesos and she said however long I wanted her to. Until Christmas it is then!

I finished my drink and told her let's go. As I do in any bar, I told her that I would not pay now, but would send the money back with her tomorrow. She went to get the boss to approve it. This chick looked pretty young to be the boss so I had to inquire. She said she was 27 years old. Seeing a wedding ring on her finger I said you must be married to the owner. She said yes. Her name was Abby. She said to just make sure I gave the girl the money the next day so she would not get in trouble. We hopped into a trike headed back to the hotel.

It was 5:30 and I had to meet up with a buddy that lives here at 7. We got undressed and went right to it. This girl is a ball / ass licking, dick sucking pro. I had to put up a fight to get her to stop sucking my dick so that we could fuck. And once we did, we were fucking like rabbits. We finished at 7 on the dot and went to take a shower. At 7:08 I called my buddy to see if he was already at Kokomo's. He said he was and I told him I was on my way.

While we were eating dinner she was rubbing on my back. That shit felt so damn good I wanted to lie down inside the restaurant. We got back to the hotel at 9. She said she was going to give me a massage. The last thing I remember was us taking off our clothes and getting in the bed and her touching my back. Next thing I knew I was waking up at 2 am to go to the toilet. Around 6 am she started playing with my dick in her sleep. I know she was asleep because she was snoring. About 15 minutes into that she woke up and started the licking session again. Then she rode my dick like it was the last thing she would ever do in life. I asked her why she was fucking me like that. She said because she loves dick. Hallelujah!

Last night about 5:30 my girlfriend sent me a message asking if she would see me when she finished work. I did not answer so she assumed I was asleep. She sent another message saying that she would see me in the morning before I left. When me and the chick finished fucking this morning I sent my girlfriend a message telling her that I was on the way to the bus station. Me and the chick went and took showers and now she is sleep again. After the GFE with this chick I can definitely see how some guys can fall for a bar girl. I am out of here at check out time to head home to Thailand. Although I can only take a maximum 3 days here, it seems like everytime shit gets going good, then it is time to leave. If it was not so boring in the daytime then I could stand the place more. Definitely no shortage of pussy around here!

There is no shortage of girls in AC. Spent the past few days in Manila. Had AC girl bus up with her friend for a day and night here. Sent them home with the barfine. They had another friend that wanted to come too. I should have brought her too. At 2 k BF why the heck not! Still would have been cheaper than one Manila girl for st. These 2 stayed for 22 hours.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2038448]It was 5:30 and I had to meet up with a buddy that lives here at 7. We got undressed and went right to it. This girl is a ball / ass licking, dick sucking pro. I had to put up a fight to get her to stop sucking my dick so that we could fuck. And once we did, we were fucking like rabbits. We finished at 7 on the dot and went to take a shower. At 7:08 I called my buddy to see if he was already at Kokomo's. He said he was and I told him I was on my way.[/QUOTE]Greetings, Mr Enternational. Solid FR. Are you going native on punctuality? Peace! WB.

[QUOTE=CygnushYoga123;2037729]Man that is a lot of bar you hit in one night. Did you do a hit and run of you spend some time in each bar? Last time me and my friend did the same and must have spend a few hundred just on our own drinks.[/QUOTE]Haha no, I spent a good amount of time at each bar. My night starts out pretty early 7 pm or so and ends pretty late, around 2-4 am. So I spend probably an hour at each place hoping to find a treasure for the evening.

Can anyone identify this bar for me in AC?

[QUOTE=CygnushYoga123;2038217]I have not lock in my AC booking next month yet. Your report really tempt me to spoil myself for once and lock into ABC.

Being the buildin club of ABC hotel. I assume their girls quality are high? How much is the lady drink and overnight bar fine?[/QUOTE]The girls who come to Aqua are freelancers, so there's no bar fine and there are no ladies drinks, as this is just a bar / club and not designed specifically as a pick-up joint. None of these girls work for the hotel. I've not yet picked up anyone there, though I was tempted and did come close, and the price seems to be around Php3,000 overnight. There appear to be lots of ladies coming there to score, but not all of the women coming there solo or in small groups of friends are in the P4 P business. Some come just to hang out and have zero interest in a business transaction, so it's wise to observe for a while before you go all out to pick someone up. Those who are trolling for customers tough are fairly obvious. On the weekends, the freelancer parade can start in the late afternoon and continue pretty much throughout the evening.

Aqua is open to everyone, both hotel guests and non-residents. Entry is free for hotel guests, and for men not staying in the hotel, the entrance fee is Php250 all of which is consumable. Non hotel guests (including the ladies) are given plastic bracelets, and all drinks are charged to a bracelet, with the expectation that the tab will be settled prior to exiting the 7th floor. In fact the tab must be settled at the exit, prior to release of the electronic lock at the gate, permitting access to the elevators.

For those who haven't been, the club is accessed by an elevator in tower 4, to the 7th floor, where the bracelets are doled out at a cashier's kiosk. Visitors are then admitted through a locked gate, and must walk up two flights of stairs to the club itself. The entrance fee also includes access to the huge infinity pool, to the changing rooms and amenities including lockers and towels. There's also a whirlpool tub at the very end of the bar that seems to get lots of use by men and their dates. The booze is top shelf, for the most part and drinks are not inexpensive, though the food prices are pretty reasonable. The bar gets packed on weekend nights though crowds are sparser during the week days.

The access to the cabanas, which a large and can accommodate probably 15-20 people is fee-based, and I believe the cost is Php16,000 (all consumable) for half a day. So there's a choice between a morning-afternoon rental and an afternoon-closing rental. There are six cabanas, and they're very popular with small groups of guys who split the rental costs and the invite as many girls as they like (usually arranged beforehand at some of the Angeles bars) to join them. I believe that at least 4 of the cabanas have private roof decks (there's another bar at the roof level), and at least two of them have private showers and toilets.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2039271]The girls who come to Aqua are freelancers, so there's no bar fine and there are no ladies drinks, as this is just a bar / club and not designed specifically as a pick-up joint. None of these girls work for the hotel. I've not yet picked up anyone there, though I was tempted and did come close, and the price seems to be around Php3,000 overnight.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be too quick to pay 3000 pesos. Why would you give them any more than you would a chick in High Society or one that you met walking down the street? My rationale is this. They are the same chicks that you see anywhere else. Nothing special. The chick that I picked up at Det 5 the other day mentioned going to Aqua a couple of times, but I only paid her barfine of 2000 from her bar. Another chick that I met on Wechat has a normal job and also has pictures of her in Aqua on her profile. I only gave her 1000. So take it for what it is worth.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2039322]I wouldn't be too quick to pay 3000 pesos. Why would you give them any more than you would a chick in High Society or one that you met walking down the street? My rationale is this. They are the same chicks that you see anywhere else. Nothing special. The chick that I picked up at Det 5 the other day mentioned going to Aqua a couple of times, but I only paid her barfine of 2000 from her bar. Another chick that I met on Wechat has a normal job and also has pictures of her in Aqua on her profile. I only gave her 1000. So take it for what it is worth.[/QUOTE]I'm basing the Php3,000 on what friends of mine have paid. And I'm not sure that your assumption that "these are the same girls" as seen in HS is correct. While there may be some overlap between the two populations, the girls I've seen in Aqua are significantly better dressed, more poised, and in general a cut above the HS girls I've seen. But mine is a limited sample and I've focused more on those whose looks were, to me, superior to what I've seen elsewhere. This is not a point and click bar for the most part, and I think--though cannot confirm--that the freelancers there have higher expectations than those who hang out at High Society, especially given that Aqua is several rungs in quality and class above High Society.

GE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2039322]I wouldn't be too quick to pay 3000 pesos. Why would you give them any more than you would a chick in High Society or one that you met walking down the street? My rationale is this. They are the same chicks that you see anywhere else. Nothing special. The chick that I picked up at Det 5 the other day mentioned going to Aqua a couple of times, but I only paid her barfine of 2000 from her bar. Another chick that I met on Wechat has a normal job and also has pictures of her in Aqua on her profile. I only gave her 1000. So take it for what it is worth.[/QUOTE]Seems like the on location spot price is 3000. It is there and convenient. Why do people pay more for things at a convience store when they can buy it cheaper at the supermarket?

Any guest there can get off their butt and go to Det5 and get a girl for 2 k if they don't want to pay 3 k. As GE said the girls are all dolled up, packaged better and most importantly available!

Hay GE,

Thanks for the insight.

First a general comment on Philippine girls. Do you think they generally lack temperament.

I hang out in China, Malay and Europe. I like girls that dress nicely, you know the type. Nice dress high heels, talk nicely, etc. This is such a rare find in Manila not to mention AC. When a bunch of them talk loud in Tagalog, OMG giving me a bloody headache.

I have some business in Manila next month. Weekdays I have no choice but to stay in Manila and I will try my luck with LA Cafe, Green Belt, Tinder. Etc. On the weekend, do you think it's a better to stay in Manila or try my luck in AC. Last time bunch of friends took me around and the best stock I can see is at RA. This time may be I can try Aqua and High So? RA and other bars can be a Plan be.

BTW how safe / unsafe is the traveling to AC by coach? Just wondering, that's all.

When you say Aqua girls are better cut, do you think being an ABC hotel guest give you a higher success rate?

Thanks.

CH123.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2039331]I'm basing the Php3,000 on what friends of mine have paid. And I'm not sure that your assumption that "these are the same girls" as seen in HS is correct. While there may be some overlap between the two populations, the girls I've seen in Aqua are significantly better dressed, more poised, and in general a cut above the HS girls I've seen.[/QUOTE]If that is the case, it does beg the question: Where did this new, better crop of girls appear from?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2039332]Seems like the on location spot price is 3000. It is there and convenient. Why do people pay more for things at a convience store when they can buy it cheaper at the supermarket?

Any guest there can get off their butt and go to Det5 and get a girl for 2 k if they don't want to pay 3 k. As GE said the girls are all dolled up, packaged better and most importantly available![/QUOTE]Thanks for getting it. Staying there means it's a short stroll from your room or the dining room to the elevator and thence to Aqua where you can relax, swim, have a snack, grab a lady, all without having moved more than 15 meters.

As to the presumably rhetorical question of "Where did they come from?" Who cares? I have no idea where they came from.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2039342]Thanks for getting it. Staying there means it's a short stroll from your room or the dining room to the elevator and thence to Aqua where you can relax, swim, have a snack, grab a lady, all without having moved more than 15 meters.

As to the presumably rhetorical question of "Where did they come from?" Who cares? I have no idea where they came from.

GE.[/QUOTE]Now we must consider that there are people that get more satisfaction out of a bargain priced fxck even if they have to travel a mile to get it than the sexual gratification itself.

Why would a person who knows his (her) worth lower their price? Would any ISG member work for less than they are getting?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2039340]If that is the case, it does beg the question: Where did this new, better crop of girls appear from?[/QUOTE]And the survey says:

As the higher price goes the more entrants from many fields. And I am not talking about rice fields or even Fields Avenue. Who knows where they come from or do you care? Could be local or distance aspiring models, under paid nurses, teachers, you name it.

Look at Singapore with higher prices, they come afar from Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam and many other countries.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2039347]Now we must consider that there are people that get more satisfaction out of a bargain priced fxck even if they have to travel a mile to get it than the sexual gratification itself.

Why would a person who knows his (her) worth lower their price? Would any ISG member work for less than they are getting?[/QUOTE]I think there are mainly two type sex traveller.

There are the type that get wow by the price difference of sex between their home country. When they come to Philippine they are happy to go all out as the same price can only buy them one shot for a 45 minutes back home. Koreans Japanese and lately Chinese all falls into this category. Political situations and inflation push sex price in these countries to sky high.

Then there are the ones that knows GDP difference should be part of the equation. Consider 1 night of BF equals to a week pad for office worker in Makati and a month paid for house maid. It should be a pretty good deal for the girls. Given how global economic is going right now, this mindset is very common and you can't blame people for bargain hunting.

The problem is if you are a working girl, which type of customer you prefer? Obviously the first type so the rest have to either pay up or lower their standard. If someone think 3 K is high, wait until you are in AF1. Yeah I know bloody Koreans, but what can you do?

For me if a girl has temperament, and treat me well. I think 3 K is a bargain consider that is only my entrance fee to an FKK.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2039351]And the survey says:

As the higher price goes the more entrants from many fields. And I am not talking about rice fields or even Fields Avenue. Who knows where they come from or do you care? Could be local or distance aspiring models, under paid nurses, teachers, you name it.

Look at Singapore with higher prices, they come afar from Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam and many other countries.[/QUOTE]Girls will charge what the market will bear. Aqua sounds like the patrons are well-off, and don't think twice about paying an extra 1000 php ($20) for a quickie. There is a high-end hotel in Bangkok with an expensive bar / club that is popular with well-dressed middle age hookers who get 2-3 times what an attractive college age gogo girl gets. And that is after getting her expensive drinks paid for. But price does not always equal quality. You can pay five times as much for a banana in Starbucks as you would for that same banana in a grocery store. Why do they charge so much? Because people pay.

I've never stayed at ABC, but took a girl to Aqua and she loved it.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2039342]Thanks for getting it. Staying there means it's a short stroll from your room or the dining room to the elevator and thence to Aqua where you can relax, swim, have a snack, grab a lady, all without having moved more than 15 meters.

As to the presumably rhetorical question of "Where did they come from?" Who cares? I have no idea where they came from.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GlobalCitizen;2039245]Can anyone identify this bar for me in AC?[/QUOTE]Not 100%, but looks like the old Treasure Island.

Just did four nights in AC. Got in late evening on the first and sampled Atlantis and Pony Tails. Wasn't impressed with the former: just one potential cutie who never left the second floor bench until I was almost out the door after an hour. Wasn't impressed with the latter, period, except that, based on the somewhat lower BF's and the sagging of the stage, I think I found the best cost-to-weight ratio in town.

Headed for my go-to BJ bar, the Black Pearl. I'm more of a BJ than BF sort of guy, anyway. The lineup, from what I could see at first glance, was predictably bad, with the actually pretty cute girl I had last time apparently long gone. I only got a first glance because before I could get a second one a chubby thing that looked hauntingly familiar was in my face. I think she was a year and a half ago and seemed to have invested my payment at Jollibees in the interim. The memories of these girls can be frightening: Long ago, again at the Pearl, I repeated with a girl who remembered me, my name, and where I was from, even down to the individual state, from two or maybe even three years before. I could take pride in being that memorable but one must remember that getting kicked in the balls by a mule would be pretty memorable, too. At any rate off we went on that seemingly increasingly long walk to the short-time. As we were leaving the bar I did spot one girl who could have been decent, but she was curled up on the bench so a better estimate would have to wait.

The next day I hit Pony Tails in the daytime, which can be be argued to be its forte, but still nothing caught my eye. I suffer from selectively high standards: I'll pull chubby from the Pearl but bar girls for some reason have to clear a higher bar. I suppose it is because it is a more interactive experience where one has something other than the top of a head to look at. Yes, some of the short-time's rooms have ceiling mirrors but they are generally hopelessly clouded and dirty. From Pony Tails I trekked to Club Asia in quest of a girl from two visits ago when she was (supposedly) on the mens. She was missing last visit (on holiday or working in Manila, depending on which mamasan was asked) and, of course, was still MIA this trip. The mamasan from two visits ago recognized me and broke the news that the object of my lust had retired. Yeah, probably for a few months. She did helpfully point out that there were other girls there, and I must admit they had some cuties. I settled on one who I thought was the best of the crop. Mamasan talked with her: She didn't BF. Because this was not determined until they chatted I assume this was a selective thing, as in perhaps I was the wrong color and had the wrong eyes. It is, after all, right in the name, Club Asia. Mamasan assured me that the girl next to her would willingly dash out the door with me but I sort of viewed it as a version of the bait and switch and declined even though she would have been my second choice.

Worked my way up through some unremembered bars and ended up in the Dollhouse. There were a few decent ones there but two really stood out for the wrong reason. Their flab was actually obscuring much of their bikini bottoms. Dollhouse to Pony Tails: Cost-to-weight challenge accepted! I might have overlooked this but I literally couldn't overlook it. I was seated in the bottom tier at the right corner as one enters, facing the steps up to the stage. Someone on the balcony above me was making it rain, or at least drizzle. But drizzle was good enough so there were a lot of dancers in the aisle between the stage and me, vying for the swag along with those on stage. The two, um, standout dancers, not being of tall stature and obviously not going to be winning any vertical leap competitions, knew they needed an edge if they were to continue their patronage of numerous Jollibees' so they stood on the steps. So rather than the moderately lovely lasses on stage I was looking at extremely expansive asses on the steps. Every time gifts from above would flutter down there would be a cataclysmic shuddering and flapping of fat that would rival a sumo wrestler working a jackhammer. Being from an earthquake zone I found this pretty traumatic.

But then, between blobs of flailing, distended flab I got a glimpse of Her at the other side of the room (queue You Take My Breath Away by Berlin). She was unlike anything else in my world, though admittedly my world was pretty much just partially occluded swimwear bottoms and a steatopygic nightmare of four undulating, misshapen hemispheres at that point. She was skinny! She was with another customer. Crap! But he left! She walked my direction. Wow! That was skinny! But at this point I was sorely in need of skinny. I bought her a couple of drinks (the strong stuff: pineapple juice). I think she said she had just started two days ago, but I believe that may have been a miscommunication. Her English wasn't the best. Maybe she hadn't eaten in two days. At any rate we went through the formalities: Name, where from, where staying, blah, blah. A lot of warning signs were popping up, like her completely zoning out in the middle of the conversation and staring at a point in space, sort of the conversational version of a starfish. Still, she was skinny!

I didn't BF that night but did return for her the next. It was a mixed bag. Things started out poorly: she was my first phone nut, one of those girls that I've read of here who cannot be separated from her Facebook, Line, or whatever. She would look up every so often and ask what I was doing, the obvious answer being nothing. I seriously believe she was expecting me to be buried in my phone as well, probably because that was pretty much how all of her other social interactions went. Eventually she either got the hint or had to recharge her phone (pro tip: keep all sorts of USB cables in hand so you can lure the young ladies with the promise of a fully charged battery). Then it was shower time and into bed we went.

I may revise my term "skinny". I think that, just like people claim to be not fat but big boned, she was small boned. No ribs showing, bulging joints or concave buttocks, just very, very small, yet of average Pinay height. And mount a couple of normally unremarkable teacup sized boobies with perky, responsive nipples on that and it looks really hot. Things were going better! Then the bombshell: No BJ's. Yes, as is often written I should have clarified this at the bar, but this is a chance I take every time. Usually works out and besides, I knew a chubby chick down the street who could handle that task. The reason, though, was valid: Her braces. I've gotten many a BJ from girls with braces with only one rather painful episode but I can see why she might worry. Or she could have been lying through her braces and just not liked BJ's.

After that rocky start, though, everything else was on the table. The only subsequent issue was in the Land Down Under where I determined that I really should tip her a razor and some cream: Completely shaved but it was an older work and I was vaguely worried that my mustache would get snagged, Velcro-style. My willy really doesn't like condoms so sex is sometimes difficult (perhaps hence my predilection towards BJ's) and our mish experience was a case in point. Bareback was offered but I'm way too cautious about that, really more about kids: the other STD's. Doggy worked like a charm, though. Overall a really mixed bag. Would I repeat? I'd say no now but I bet if I saw her again my lower brain would win.

On a rather offbeat but maybe useful note, I literally gave her the WiFi password: I handed her my key card mini-folder where it was written. Also written there, however, were my check-in and out dates, which she read aloud. I've been known to give girls fake dates so I don't have them nagging me for more BF's. In this case I hadn't but it's something I'll recall if there is a next time.

The last night I did the Black Pearl again. The potential cutie was not in sight so it was another walk down the street with the chubby to get that missing blow job. I really need to find a replacement BJ bar.

I Tried Voodoo as a replacement for Pony Tails as a daytime haunt. Dancers were no better, but got to love the hours. Angelwitch was better than the one other time I went. Every time I walk by it going to or from the hotel the music is good, but the only visit I had made revealed very sub-par dancers. Not knockouts this time either, no one I would bar fine, but always something pleasant to look at on stage. Note to guy sitting beside me singing along with all the songs: Don't quit your day job. On a followup visit they still had easy on the eyes dancers but after cutting a Meatloaf song in the middle they played five consecutive sissy easy listening songs so I left, swearing I would not return for at least five months and I'm sticking to that (I get to AC about every six months).

Took a bus from Pasay city to Dau and first thing. It reach within 2 hours and around 4 I am in my hotel room. Decide to take some rest so that night is too long.

8 o clock and started to walking street. Atlantis. Not a good place. So many girls and people throwing money but all fugly ones. Centuro. The head waitress Zoe was so hot, I asked her but she don't want to go.

Next to Lolypop, liked one but not too tempting. Came back go to night cruisers, Insomnia, 69 and sugar baby. And many more I forgot the names. Bar fine on walking street was 3000 and outside it was 2000 (with white tag 3000 with green tag).

Felt a bit drunk and tired so decided to hit Hi so. Lot of chicks but most of them are with some Koreans or Arabs. It was already 3 and I decided to hit something. Found three girls dancing on the floor, started talking to them and bought beers for them (beer 100 peso and cocktail- 120 peso).

Finally the one who has a nice booty came with me around 5. What a a body. Did it like rabbits and gave her all the creams she was craving for. Slept.

Next morning wanted to do again but she was too eager to go home, so dropped the idea gave her 2000 and she left happily.

Day 2-

Afternoon lunch and went to perimeter road. Went to few pubs (drinks were cheap 65- 85 per beer and 150 LD). There was one place newly opened baby dolls. Upstairs. But the problem there is no bar fine you have to buy the for 1700 and then depends on girls if she wants to go. The cashier was too interested in me so finally gave her my number and say bye. Next was pony tails. And liked the girl. BF was 2000 and then some drinks for mamasan to persuade the girl so that she can stay long time.

Came hotel went for swimming and then a good round of sex but she wanted to go home after that with a promise of coming back, which I know is not true. Anyways let her go.

Mistakes:

The slimmest girl you choose, 90 % with no boobs. Damn padded bra.

Perimeter road is on the same road straight from walking street and many trike driver don't know. So better take a walk if not too hot.

Don't go before 4 if you plan to keep the girl overnight as all perimeter bars are open till 10 , so girls always want many bar fines.

Girls quality is better in few bars. Sorry its almost 2 weeks, so faded memory of names.

After dropping the girl from perimeter, I slept and prepared for late night action. Again bar hoping. This time I checked bars before walking street, went to night cruiser again. Saw some new girls but they all were with someone, so decided to come some other day. Then ponytails. Wow what a feast, please guy go check pony tails for sure. There is one hot spinned with lot of tattoos, but the problem she wanted only short time and I was in no mood to fuck her ones, she was doable minimum three times. Anyways went to this place which is shaped like a boat and made of wood. All girls stand on the boat shape platform. There the quality was superb but all girls ask the same question. How big Is yours. I think its owned by some Korean so girls prefer Korean guys. Mamasan was with 38 the boobs and wanted to come with me but I want some young talent not some old hack. Came out and went to Hi so. Met one girl from last night outside Hi so. The only girls with slim and big boobs. She has some issue so the Hi so don't allow her inside.

No worries big papa is here. Lets go home. She came to my hotel and what a night it was, she did it like a rabbit with well the love bytes. She wanted to stay more but I have f light to Cebu so need to send her home.

Paid her 1500 . She asked 1000 though.

Day 3 - woke up at 11. No need to tell my flight was at 9.50. Missed flight. What a shame. My Cebu girl is already on airport waiting for me. OK told her. Got some urgent work need to go back home country.

I was chatting some girls on we chat. So decided to take a chance one hot girl in bikini keep calling me on we chat. So asked her to come and said I am poor, she was okay for 1000, she came, we drink, swim in the pool and then sex in shower in bikini. Damn what a feeling. She was a goddess. After deed gave her money and promised to see her again (my problem even its Angelina jolly, once I fucked her. I lose interest in her). Time to find a new food in night.

Now the girl from last night sending me messages and calling me to meet. Damn I need fresh food every day. Can't eat same food twice.

Went to Pony tail around 8, tried to persuade that girl with tattoos too stay long time, I was okay with money if she want more but she has some sponsor it seems whom she need to fuck around 2 after work.

Went to night cruised and found finally one girl of my type. Short fair big boobs and little tummy. Before I could call her, the fucking mamasan with wired teeth start touching me to get bar fined. And the girl went to eat food. Finished two beer when she came back on stage. I asked her to come down.

We drink touch kiss and some fondling.

Big issue:

Here the mamasan say, I give the bar fine money to girl itself. Okay I pay her 3000 and she go to change. What a fuck. Suddenly lot of police inside and they raided the bar. Damn. I was sitting there and waiting for the girl so that I can talk to police and take her home but she was so new and afraid ready to go jail then to come with me. Anyways money done money gone. Came out and with a bad mood started roaming again on walking street.

Two miss in one day missed flight and missed girl and money spoiled the mood. But I was still horny. Went to Hi society and quickly picked a group of girls. One thin one was OK to come in 2000.

Back to hotel and again love making. Wow what a tight one. It took me 15 minutes to prepare her to get me inside. Slept and one more round in morning and sent her home with 2500.

Day 4 :

Continuous 6 days of sex had left me dry, last day in Angeles and I don't want to leave a chance as next destination was el NIDO which was supposed to be dry.

Sleep all day and eat to prepare for last night. Again night cruised was closed pony tail the girl again said no for long time. Finally went to this Korean bar (wooden boat shaped). Called the mamasan.

She came and sat with me. Giving me massage and I checking her boobs, finally I saw one girl with a good height and nice perky boobs. Called her, mamasan persuaded her for long time. Same question hog big is your fella. I said 5 feet no need to take a trike, you sit on my dick and we go home. Haha so she agreed but she told me, she only bar fines Korean first time she is coming to non Korean.

No problem, we go Hi so for some raunchy dance and then back to hotel, again a great time dancing drinking and fucking. Seriously it was like 2 hours. One more time in morning and caught a flight to PP.

[QUOTE=Oosik;2039674]
On a rather offbeat but maybe useful note, I literally gave her the WiFi password: I handed her my key card mini-folder where it was written. Also written there, however, were my check-in and out dates, which she read aloud. I've been known to give girls fake dates so I don't have them nagging me for more BF's. In this case I hadn't but it's something I'll recall if there is a next time.[/QUOTE]Good report and thanks for the detailed analysis.

For wifi I no longer give visiting girls the wifi password. This means they have no data and are not able to be online. .

[QUOTE=RockyHardy21;2039755]After dropping the girl from perimeter, I slept and prepared for late night action. Again bar hoping. This time I checked bars before walking street, went to night cruiser again. Saw some new girls but they all were with someone, so decided to come some other day. Then ponytails. Wow what a feast, please guy go check pony tails for sure. There is one hot spinned with lot of tattoos, but the problem she wanted only short time and I was in no mood to fuck her ones, she was doable minimum three times. Anyways went to this place which is shaped like a boat and made of wood. All girls stand on the boat shape platform. There the quality was superb but all girls ask the same question. How big Is yours. I think its owned by some Korean so girls prefer Korean guys. Mamasan was with 38 the boobs and wanted to come with me but I want some young talent not some old hack. Came out and went to Hi so. Met one girl from last night outside Hi so. The only girls with slim and big boobs. She has some issue so the Hi so don't allow her inside.[/QUOTE]RockyHardy21,

Great report. I also found a lot of talent at the Korean bar with the wooden boat. They sure cater to the Korean's but I had no problem BF two beautiful girls and got amazing GFE from both. It was a fun bar.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2039943]For wifi I no longer give visiting girls the wifi password. This means they have no data and are not able to be online..[/QUOTE]Are you crazy: take away their babysitter?

[QUOTE=RockyHardy21;2039755].[/QUOTE]Nice report. Thanks for taking the time. There should be more of these wonderful reports. The bar that got raided. Is it Midnight Rider or Night Rider? The former Insomnia?

[QUOTE=RockyHardy21;2039750]The slimmest girl you choose, 90 % with no boobs. Damn padded bra.

Perimeter road is on the same road straight from walking street and many trike driver don't know. So better take a walk if not too hot.

Don't go before 4 if you plan to keep the girl overnight as all perimeter bars are open till 10 , so girls always want many bar fines.

Girls quality is better in few bars. Sorry its almost 2 weeks, so faded memory of names.[/QUOTE]Great reports. A few points:

1. Never judge a book by its cover. I guess you know better now.

2. Girls at Perimeter Bars usually do not stay long time as most of them actually live with their families in AC. They start work at 12 noon and end at 12 midnight. The family does not know their girl is renting pussy, they think she is a waitress or something. But you can negotiate the number of shots in advance and promise them a tip for compliance and performance quality.

3. I am surprised trikes do not know directions to Perimeter Road. This is the first time I have heard something like this.

More power to you. 6 days of fucking should not drain you.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2039963]RockyHardy21,

Great report. I also found a lot of talent at the Korean bar with the wooden boat. They sure cater to the Korean's but I had no problem BF two beautiful girls and got amazing GFE from both. It was a fun bar.[/QUOTE]Just wondering which one are you all referring to?

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;2039969]Nice report. Thanks for taking the time. There should be more of these wonderful reports. The bar that got raided. Is it Midnight Rider or Night Rider? The former Insomnia?[/QUOTE]The place was night cruiser. Just before the walking street on right hand side. Before that big Korean looking club.

[QUOTE=CygnushYoga123;2040011]Just wondering which one are you all referring to?[/QUOTE]I suspect this is Viking.

[QUOTE=RockyHardy21;2039750]The slimmest girl you choose, 90 % with no boobs. Damn padded bra.[/QUOTE]My girlfriend wears a padded bra. The other day I asked her why she wears that shit. She said so her nipples do not show through her clothes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2040223]My girlfriend wears a padded bra. The other day I asked her why she wears that shit. She said so her nipples do not show through her clothes.[/QUOTE]Yep, I got the same response when I asked my favorite Filipina why she was putting on her padded bra underneath a sexy designer T shirt I had just bought for her while I was in BKK. I might add that she posses an amazing tight sexy body with small "A" cups and protruding brown nipples. Not a gram of fat on her entire body. She tried on the T shirt in my hotel room without her bra and she looked really great. Her nipples, the thing she was worried about, did not show through the T shirt. But she added that the PI was a conservative country and she had to wear a padded bra out in public. What a shame.

Last year I asked the same question of one of my favorite BKK girls one night as she was putting on a ridiculous heavily padded Thai bra. This girl has surfboard tities and a super tight sexy body. Absolutely no need to wear a bra at all with this girl. I told her she would look much sexier without the bulky padding. She baisically said the same thing as my Filipina. But this year I noticed that although she still wears a bra it is no longer padded. I call that progress. 555.

[QUOTE=CygnushYoga123;2039355]If someone think 3 K is high, wait until you are in AF1.[/QUOTE]I know this is the AC thread, but I am trying to do new things this year. A buddy of mine said that I should check out Air Force 1 in Manila. He said it will run me about 5 K but is worth it. I was going to go through there when I am in Manila in a couple of weeks, but man I keep thinking about just having my Det5 chick come to Manila. Or better yet I can have her come to Manila and go to AF1 with me so I can do recon.

[QUOTE=CygnushYoga123;2040011]Just wondering which one are you all referring to?[/QUOTE]I do believe it is Viking!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2040216]I suspect this is Viking.[/QUOTE]I agree that was the bar I thought too. I've seen the korean owners starting to make a difference, they are kind of obtrusive. I can see that they are bringing management disciplines to the place in the way they are checking the numbers and results of the business. They are usually to the right on the way to the CR. I think that should be in the backroom.

Viking is sill one of my go-to bars. I take one particular waitress from there when I just want a quiet night in my room.

The place is changing though and I notice t is noisier and busier on most visits now.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2040411]I agree that was the bar I thought too. I've seen the korean owners starting to make a difference, they are kind of obtrusive. I can see that they are bringing management disciplines to the place in the way they are checking the numbers and results of the business. They are usually to the right on the way to the CR. I think that should be in the backroom.
BD.[/QUOTE]The owners do run a pretty tight ship, seen two of them on floor. They ensure that beer or drink is on your table as soon as you are seated. They will assist you in selecting the girls and will make recommendations as well pointing the laser at options available on the stage. As they are well aware of girls going with Koreans and non Koreans it will save you buying unnecessary LDs for wrong girl.

During my last visit I was chatting with and was told by the waitress that the owners were Malaysian Chinese.

Angeles is a nice place to have fun 24-7 depends how you like it.

1. we chat is a good source to have fun. Many legit girls will do a video call but ladyboys will give all shit reasons like I am student bla bla. So any girl through we chat who is ready to meet outside may considered as gal. 1000-2000st or 3000 LT. Depends how you negotiate.

2. walking street and parimeter roads are on the same stretch of road. So better to take a hotel in between both.

3. perimeter road barfines vary from 1800-2000 ,ST and LT will depend on girl. Generelly they try to do multiple barfine so reluctant to LT.

4. vikings, night cruiser, Lollypop, Centauro have some nice gals. Doll house has MILF kinda gals with big butts like Colombia. Bar fine is 3000 and ld will cost around 200. One beer cost around 100-130 based in bars you go.

5. pony tails have some nice gals too BF is 2000 for girl with white tag and 3000 with green tag.

6. bar fine ia fixed you have to talk to girl before about LT or ST. Ot buy a beer for mamasan and she does all the work for you.

7. lot of cute girls stay near walking street entrance with massage sign. They do st LT around 1500-3500 based on how much they like you. Some are really pretty.

8. aqua and Hi so are good pick up place for free lancers if you have time and energy to deal with. 2000 is a good amount in both place to pay if girl is comfortable.

9. try any gal whom you see alone. But in a gentleman manner. Like last day met one gal on bus terminal and she wanted to come with me to manila and my manila GF was already waiting at pasay so plan got scrapped.

10. All hotels are girl friendly and girls are in general honest so need not to worry.

11. Mamasans are also ready to give you good time if yoy like any.

12. With lot of raids happening, if you like a gal ask her to go get change first and before you leave pay bar fine. Like in my case I paid money first then the bar was raided and I lost both girl and money. Don't just pay and wait. You never know when its your bad day.

If you like my points please some one fuck that head waitress in doll house or the door girl in Centauro. They are so cute but they have Korean bfs. Stay horny my friends.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;2040488]The owners do run a pretty tight ship, seen two of them on floor. They ensure that beer or drink is on your table as soon as you are seated. They will assist you in selecting the girls and will make recommendations as well pointing the laser at options available on the stage. As they are well aware of girls going with Koreans and non Koreans it will save you buying unnecessary LDs for wrong girl.

During my last visit I was chatting with and was told by the waitress that the owners were Malaysian Chinese.[/QUOTE]My friend got rejected by a girl on stage last time. Won't even come down and not to mention BF. Don't know what the fuck is she doing there.

IMO the worse thing happen is the sex industry in 2017 is girls are given too much freedom, even in poor country like Philippines.

Have a few friend who are WL from KL and they worked most Asia countries and most retired or half retired now. They said back in their days, unless you can see they have STI, otherwise you better have a good reason to the OKT for saying no to a customer. Today girls just too fuzzy. Hay excuse me I am the one who is paying the fucking money.

[QUOTE=CygnushYoga123;2040560]My friend got rejected by a girl on stage last time. Won't even come down and not to mention BF. Don't know what the fuck is she doing there.

IMO the worse thing happen is the sex industry in 2017 is girls are given too much freedom, even in poor country like Philippines.

Have a few friend who are WL from KL and they worked most Asia countries and most retired or half retired now. They said back in their days, unless you can see they have STI, otherwise you better have a good reason to the OKT for saying no to a customer. Today girls just too fuzzy. Hay excuse me I am the one who is paying the fucking money.[/QUOTE]I've been rejected before. I actually like that they are able to choose their clients, for a couple of reasons. The first is that it shows they are not being forced to have sex (I. E through sex trafficking). Secondly, if a girl doesn't want to be with me but goes anyway, she wouldn't perform well and I'd end up regretting taking her. I don't feel bad when I reject a girl; I don't feel bad when I am rejected, either. It's just business.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2041072]I actually like that they are able to choose their clients[/QUOTE]I agree, with one stipulation: That the girl actually does BF with some, in my recent case probably Asian, clients, or she should be so marked, maybe with a frilly chastity belt. Otherwise I see it as a coyote style bait and switch. As I wrote I had it happen at Club Asia last week. In that case the mamasan asked the girl and came back to break the bad news so she obviously does BF hence I didn't mind. I did, though, turn down girl the mamasan suggested afterward. Again, it had the bait-and-switch taste to it even though it wasn't.

[QUOTE=CygnushYoga123;2040560]My friend got rejected by a girl on stage last time. ...............Today girls just too fuzzy. Hay excuse me I am the one who is paying the fucking money.[/QUOTE]Yes, and the girls are saying "excuse me I don't want your fucking money" LOL. Hard to take, but the ladies are nowadays winning the gender wars. Better to find out up front if a lady does not like you. I call that honesty. Hard core prostitutes are not honest like that, LOL.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2041201]Yes, and the girls are saying "excuse me I don't want your fucking money" LOL. Hard to take, but the ladies are nowadays winning the gender wars. Better to find out up front if a lady does not like you. I call that honesty. Hard core prostitutes are not honest like that, LOL.[/QUOTE]Times have changed. Not so long ago it was easy to tell which ladies liked you. They were the ones grabbing their pussies and screaming when you walked into the bar. If you were still in doubt, they would stare right into your eyes while simulating a BJ and humping the air. If you had not figured it out by then, some cute eager spinners even went as far as jumping from the stage into your arms and wrapping their legs around your waist.

Now, I am seeing reports that the girls would not even come down from the stage to have a lady drink with mongers. Maybe, some girls are strictly bikini models now? Usually, the reception you get upon walking into the bar is a good indication of whether you should sit and order a drink or turn around and walk back out immediately onto the next bar. LOL!

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2041072]I've been rejected before. I actually like that they are able to choose their clients, for a couple of reasons. The first is that it shows they are not being forced to have sex (I. E through sex trafficking). Secondly, if a girl doesn't want to be with me but goes anyway, she wouldn't perform well and I'd end up regretting taking her. I don't feel bad when I reject a girl; I don't feel bad when I am rejected, either. It's just business.[/QUOTE]100 percent agree with SaltyPete on this. Just because were paying don't mean they belong to us. And yes, a girl that don't want to go with me and is in some way forced to, the service is going to suck, no matter how much I'm paying! A lot goes to finding someone you have a little chemistry with!

Right after a disappointing experience in Tokyo I went to Angeles City two weeks ago and what a pleasant surprise it was, I thought Philippines don't compare to Thailand at all, and clearly, there is very little comparison in terms of quality and quantity, but Philippine girls are real deal, real women in every sense; no greed for money, very little luring to get you paying for drinks, they are extremely patient and all in all, this is the first time I experienced a real women in the world of mongering, well Thai women are very good too, but Philippines are just something else. This is how it all went down after that letdown in Tokyo where they asked me $1000 for two hours to be soaped by some sushi girl. So, I book a return ticket on Philippine Airlines from Tokyo for about $400. Very comfortable flight, I ain't going to lie, landed in Manila and followed guidelines from some blogger on how to get a busv to AC as I did not want to waste my time in Manila, someone wrote that AC is better if you do not want to deal with craziness on megacity of 12 million people, and driving through poor parts of Manila where everything but that one neighbourhood called Makati is poor, I totally understood why Manila needs to be avoided. Took a taxy from airport to Victory bus line, half hour ride for about $3. Bus from main bus terminal to Angeles City is a 100 mile ride and it takes two hours and costs $3. Philippines is a poor poor country and it is heartbreaking to see people sleep on the streets. Got to AC around 3 pm and the taxi guy took me to Donald Paul hotel where I stayed for 3 days and had best massage ever for about $10 and it lasts 90 minutes, amazing. Took a stroll to Fields aveue to see what's going on and was pulled by the sleeve and ushered to RocknRoll bar. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] The next day I explored fields Av a little better and found a few places best of which is Ra, all girls tall and skinny, look no further kind of place. Took a girl by the name of Jacquelin and had party all night, we hit it five times. Price everywhere in AC is abut $60 for the night unless you want a virgin, they have one in Ra and some other places, not sure what the price for that is. The next day I spent at Aqua club which is the spa with restaurant but there is no girls, you can bring your own. Amazing place great massage. $10 cover at the door and pay for food and massage separately. Next day went to Thropix, as suggested by someone here on ISG and that was bingo, got a nice 28 yo girl, half Chinese half Spanish with nice big butt. Straight to the hotel, at that point I moved to Clarkton hotel, shower, sex and fucking condom breaks. Anyway, right after that she said no more condom and for next two days we fucked raw. I mean, how much would something like that cost in Tokyo? $80 k, 100 k? You tell me. Here in AC, it was 60 a night, two nights $120 and I gave her & 100 tip. Perfect, flawless experience, both parties happy, she still texts me every day trying to get me back there. Real fucking women out there, highly recommended.

Wow David Schmauch great sharing your experience. Thanks. I am headed to Makati and will spend 2 weeks there, my first time visiting the PI, and was considering spending a few days in AC.

After reading your post sounds like I would be stupid to miss it.

You recommend me staying at which hotel? Your go-to place was Ra, correct?

Please tell me more. Any photos to share. Send me your girls contact info and I will be sure to take care of her in your absence, LOL.

Really and truly, thanks in advance.

The Tall Man.

I hope you have a great time in AC, I mean if you don't, there's something wrong with you. LOL. OK, here is the deal with hotels; Donald Paul is ok kind of because it is right by the Fields Av, actually about 3 city blocks away and the in- house massage is out of this world but rooms are very bad, shower is weird and it's hard to adjust water temperature. For about the same price ($40 a night) you can have a much better room in Clarkton hotel with an amazing swimming pool by the restaurant downstairs and a 24 HR restaurant, comes in handy when you get back from Fields av with a girl. However, Clarkton is 2 miles away from Fields av where all the action is but the trike ride costs $2 anywhere you go in town so does from Fields av to Clarkton hotel so no problem getting in or out. The next option is ABC hotel in Aqua Club building that looks like hotels in Miami Beach or NYC but rooms start at $120, so unless you want to spend extra money on luxuries, Clarkton is the way to go. Ra is the club on Fields av that ai liked but there are others that are good too like Atlantis but I liked Ra. If you want a girl I was having for two days fuckin wout condom, go to Tropix and ask for Glenda, see if she wants to do it raw, not sure if she does it with everyone or did she do it with me because condom broke. Have fun, let us know how it was.

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2041739] I thought Philippines don't compare to Thailand at all, and clearly, there is very little comparison in terms of quality and quantity, but Philippine girls are real deal, real women in every sense; no greed for money, very little luring to get you paying for drinks, they are extremely patient and all in all, this is the first time I experienced a real women in the world of mongering, well Thai women are very good too, but Philippines are just something else. [/QUOTE]I used to be a big fan of Thailand, but it was getting harder for me to get the hotties there (between me getting older and the hotties becoming more scarce). One bar girl said she'd let me take her out if we went to a club, but no sex. So I went to Manila 3-4 years ago and never looked back. I prefer Manila over my one visit to AC but I should give AC another chance.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2019437]This will certainly not make ROD. What to say that has not already been reported? As a first timer and well experienced with Pattaya I cannot help but make the comparisons and my apologies as I'm sure you've heard it all before. I was surprised by how much slower the pace is, almost no customers, so few ladies in most bars etc etc. One bar had a stunning "Hello, girl" and 2 dogs inside as an extreme example. Mostly though to my eyes, they just look kind of used up with not much beauty to be found and I believe that I am way less picky than most on my "home board". Those who are beautiful are striking. I did pull a "regular" dancer, not a spotlight girl, from After Dark last night. One of the mamas said as I was leaving "spotlight girls are better in the room". This girl was just OK and did not do all as promised when qualifying her. I understand that in that case no tip is allowed. I tipped her anyway as it was an OK session. Some of the FLs are downright scary. Maybe I will try to find a cute massage girl for the room. I have one night left then back to MNL for 2 nights. Some of the most fun I have had is drinking and flirting with GROs (I'm new to the terminology so sorry if I've got it wrong) in my hotel bar. They are not available except on their own time but it's been a laugh a minute in good English with all jokes fully understood. I don't get much of this in Thailand. The two who have reeled me in are cousins and are 21 and 23. The 21 yo is truly hot. The 23 yo is very sexy and a very charming jokester. I think they "go" sometimes and the older one is considering me for tonight. She seems so fresh. I'm hopeful.[/QUOTE]Not performing what is promised seems to be the rule now not the acceptation. Odds are so high you will be getting a dud that it almost makes it impossible to monger here anymore. It's simply depressing getting dud after dud before you actually get a good session with a rare gem. Looks IMO are pretty good here still. I am finding hot girls to my liking however its the behavior and attitude that's the depressing part. Like a light switch they simply break all the promises made in the bar once they get to your room. Thailand is more expensive but service is not lacking for the most part. JMHO.

Been seeing pre paid BF more and more lately after buying a interview drink. 2 Girls have told me they can't go with me cause they are already paid for. Wish they had to mark themselves unavailable while they are on the stage make things a lot easier. Since my streak of picking the Cherry girl got to 4 in a row once and I have been asking the mamma which of the girls are cherry before I even make my selection now, Funny most of the time the Cherry is the best one on the stage but if they don't go they don't go.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2043279]Been seeing pre paid BF more and more lately after buying a interview drink.[/QUOTE]Why is it so hard to ask the girl before buying all kinds of drinks? Call her over and ask right off how much is bar fine? Her: 1600. You: How long will you stay? Her: I do not bar fine. You choose another girl. Or Her: I stay until 10 am. You order some drinks and see if you really want to take her.

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2042194]I hope you have a great time in AC, I mean if you don't, there's something wrong with you. LOL. OK, here is the deal with hotels; Donald Paul is ok kind of because it is right by the Fields Av, actually about 3 city blocks away and the in- house massage is out of this world but rooms are very bad, shower is weird and it's hard to adjust water temperature. For about the same price ($40 a night) you can have a much better room in Clarkton hotel with an amazing swimming pool by the restaurant downstairs and a 24 HR restaurant, comes in handy when you get back from Fields av with a girl. However, Clarkton is 2 miles away from Fields av where all the action is but the trike ride costs $2 anywhere you go in town so does from Fields av to Clarkton hotel so no problem getting in or out. The next option is ABC hotel in Aqua Club building that looks like hotels in Miami Beach or NYC but rooms start at $120, so unless you want to spend extra money on luxuries, Clarkton is the way to go. Ra is the club on Fields av that ai liked but there are others that are good too like Atlantis but I liked Ra. If you want a girl I was having for two days fuckin wout condom, go to Tropix and ask for Glenda, see if she wants to do it raw, not sure if she does it with everyone or did she do it with me because condom broke. Have fun, let us know how it was.[/QUOTE]Clarkton has a shuttle to fields from 6 pm to 3 am everyday. Best hotel in town for the price IMO German owned. I always stay there when I am there which I am now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2043281]Why is it so hard to ask the girl before buying all kinds of drinks? Call her over and ask right off how much is bar fine? Her: 1600. You: How long will you stay? Her: I do not bar fine. You choose another girl. Or Her: I stay until 10 am. You order some drinks and see if you really want to take her.[/QUOTE]UM been doing that now just got caught a few times off guard and bought a drink 1st. Just posted this has a warning to what you might encounter there now. Koreans are pre paying the girls more and more and coming back for them later. I heard of this before but it was pretty rare you picked a already pre paid girl off the stage (1st I ever got one and I got 2 in 2 nights).

I've stayed there several times and very much liked the big balcony rooms over the pool. They used to be 3 k, don't know how much they are now. The problem is the long distance between the hotel and Fields. As for the shuttle, I once found myself on the 3:30 am ride to drop off employees (including Mirror's gals). That was a bit surreal.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2043282]Clarkton has a shuttle to fields from 6 pm to 3 am everyday. Best hotel in town for the price IMO German owned. I always stay there when I am there which I am now.[/QUOTE]

Does ABC ever have special offers / deals or is it so popular price never changes much? Anyone with any insight? Going in July for first time to ANG (Mon-Fri.) so wondering if I should just book or hold until a nice offer comes along.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2043436]Does ABC ever have special offers / deals or is it so popular price never changes much? Anyone with any insight? Going in July for first time to ANG (Mon-Fri.) so wondering if I should just book or hold until a nice offer comes along.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Location wise its at the middle of the Perimeter road strip so its good for the day time punting. Its a bit far from Fields Av. Ten minutes walk or a usd $2 tri ride can fix that for you though.

If you see my discussion with brothers you can see that it has the advantage of the hotel that host AQUA. So if you are the type of people who like to pick up from party club then its convenient. Having said that anyone can get into AQUA and the next best hotels in AC are 50-70 dollars cheaper of ABC, namely Queens, Central Park and Penthouse and they are all at Fields Ave.

[URL]cheaptickets.com[/URL] always have 16% off and their price is not bad.

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2042194]I hope you have a great time in AC, I mean if you don't, there's something wrong with you. LOL. OK, here is the deal with hotels; Donald Paul is ok kind of because it is right by the Fields Av, actually about 3 city blocks away and the in- house massage is out of this world but rooms are very bad, shower is weird and it's hard to adjust water temperature. For about the same price ($40 a night) you can have a much better room in Clarkton hotel with an amazing swimming pool by the restaurant downstairs and a 24 HR restaurant, comes in handy when you get back from Fields av with a girl. However, Clarkton is 2 miles away from Fields av where all the action is but the trike ride costs $2 anywhere you go in town so does from Fields av to Clarkton hotel so no problem getting in or out. The next option is ABC hotel in Aqua Club building that looks like hotels in Miami Beach or NYC but rooms start at $120, so unless you want to spend extra money on luxuries, Clarkton is the way to go. Ra is the club on Fields av that ai liked but there are others that are good too like Atlantis but I liked Ra. If you want a girl I was having for two days fuckin wout condom, go to Tropix and ask for Glenda, see if she wants to do it raw, not sure if she does it with everyone or did she do it with me because condom broke. Have fun, let us know how it was.[/QUOTE]Thank again for your comments and suggestions DavidSchmauch, I sit here right now in Tijuana Mexico getting ready to hit the Hong Kong club and next weekend will be in Makati staying and playing on Burgous strret. I will report my experiences. Thanks again to you and others that have sent me private PM.

The Tall Ma.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2043436]Does ABC ever have special offers / deals or is it so popular price never changes much? Anyone with any insight? Going in July for first time to ANG (Mon-Fri.) so wondering if I should just book or hold until a nice offer comes along.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]ABC is over rated only unaware newbies stay there. They advertise their hotel as "the party hotel" but once you get there you will realize its expensive, far from fields and very old. I stayed there first time I went to Angeles in 2010 and it was old back then. It was my first time in SEA and in a RLD so I stayed in the most expensive hotel to feel safer. Now I highly recommend central park its newish, reasonably priced and you get to bring as many girls as you like 2. 3. 5 the only issues I had there is the small swimming pool and the long wait for the elevator.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2043574]ABC is over rated only unaware newbies stay there. They advertise their hotel as "the party hotel" but once you get there you will realize its expensive, far from fields .........[/QUOTE]Honest, objective information.

It's been years since I stayed at CP. There was a faint sewage smell coming up from the drains. Check in and check out was unnecessarily long. Have they solved those problems?

Which hotel has the best pool for swimming laps?

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2043574]ABC is over rated only unaware newbies stay there. They advertise their hotel as "the party hotel" but once you get there you will realize its expensive, far from fields and very old. I stayed there first time I went to Angeles in 2010 and it was old back then. It was my first time in SEA and in a RLD so I stayed in the most expensive hotel to feel safer. Now I highly recommend central park its newish, reasonably priced and you get to bring as many girls as you like 2. 3. 5 the only issues I had there is the small swimming pool and the long wait for the elevator.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChicoBarca;2008336]Well, the amusing part is that even though Brazil has a high crime rate and is on top of every stats published most crime are related to drug gangs and as well family violence. So as for a tourist it is not that dangerous, and I say not that dangerous because it is not without risk to go to certain areas. But I have been more than 20 times in Brazil and have never been in a situation where I have been even near to be mugged. And for the record I'm a night monger, but avoid certain spots in every city I visit.

Chico.[/QUOTE]Its how you conduct yourself, nerds and snowflakes are easy to spot, hence easy targets!

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2043574]ABC is over rated only unaware newbies stay there. They advertise their hotel as "the party hotel" but once you get there you will realize its expensive, far from fields and very old. I stayed there first time I went to Angeles in 2010 and it was old back then. It was my first time in SEA and in a RLD so I stayed in the most expensive hotel to feel safer. Now I highly recommend central park its newish, reasonably priced and you get to bring as many girls as you like 2. 3. 5 the only issues I had there is the small swimming pool and the long wait for the elevator.[/QUOTE]Actually, I've stayed there for years, and most of the guys I know are regulars visitors to Angeles, so your first point is obviously inaccurate. As to "very old," it's newest tower was opened in January of this year, so it's one of the newest accommodations in the city, ergo your "very old" contention is also inaccurate. Tower 3 was completed 5-6 years ago so it hardly qualifies as "very old. " Also, the place is perfectly maintained, so its tough to see how the age of the hotel would even be a factor. Finally, the occupancy rate is quite high, and on typical weekends it's often full, so it obviously appeals to a lot of folks, many of whom have stayed there intermittently for years.

The hotel is about a 2 minute drive from Fields and ABC provides free car service back and fourth, so once again the "very far" contention is fairly inaccurate. Walking to Fields takes about 10 minutes.

Obviously folks are free to spend their money however they like, but at least their choices should be based on accurate information.

GE.

[QUOTE=XMan;2043793]It's been years since I stayed at CP. There was a faint sewage smell coming up from the drains. Check in and check out was unnecessarily long. Have they solved those problems?

Which hotel has the best pool for swimming laps?[/QUOTE]Wild Orchid and score birds has nice swimming pools.

Hi fellows,

I'm planning a trip too AC late July for ten days and wonder if I'll experience rainy weather the whole time? I've only previously been in Manila in February and didn't experience one rainy day. I understand that this time is the rainy season but need some local advice please.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Padangprince;2044064].....wonder if I'll experience rainy weather the whole time? [/QUOTE]Yes, you will experience rain. But not the whole time. I am an experienced fortune-teller, so I know.

[QUOTE=Padangprince;2044064]Hi fellows,

I'm planning a trip too AC late July for ten days and wonder if I'll experience rainy weather the whole time? I've only previously been in Manila in February and didn't experience one rainy day. I understand that this time is the rainy season but need some local advice please.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]In AC on sunny days there will be no rain. Chance of rain if cloudy. Yes it does rain sometimes during rainy season.

Just to share my experiences, I have never ever let rain stop me from entering a girl. With a roof over my bed, rain has never been a problem.

I went to see some rooms there, never stayed in, but it is good for money you paying, Aqua Club in same building, it is a high end experience, and frankly, if I had more money to blow I would spend it there.

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2044317]I went to see some rooms there, never stayed in, but it is good for money you paying, Aqua Club in same building, it is a high end experience, and frankly, if I had more money to blow I would spend it there.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have stayed here a couple times in the past and enjoyed the Hotel each time. The beds are the most comfortable of any place I have stayed at and the service was great.

[QUOTE=PadangPrince;2044064]Hi fellows,

I'm planning a trip too AC late July for ten days and wonder if I'll experience rainy weather the whole time? I've only previously been in Manila in February and didn't experience one rainy day. I understand that this time is the rainy season but need some local advice please.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The rain does impact in some ways. If your wechat girl is about to leave the estate to come find you then they will sometimes cancel when it rains.

[QUOTE=PadangPrince;2044064]Hi fellows,

I'm planning a trip too AC late July for ten days and wonder if I'll experience rainy weather the whole time? I've only previously been in Manila in February and didn't experience one rainy day. I understand that this time is the rainy season but need some local advice please.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If you paid ISG membership, I think you would experience less rain.

June July considered worst time to visit. One thing a flip does not like: get the hair wet = small number at bars some nights.

During June / July the ability to swim can be an advantage at times.

[QUOTE=PadangPrince;2044064]Hi fellows,

I'm planning a trip too AC late July for ten days and wonder if I'll experience rainy weather the whole time? I've only previously been in Manila in February and didn't experience one rainy day. I understand that this time is the rainy season but need some local advice please.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Another thing you can do is check the weather report for the time you plan to be there! Rain or shine, Pinas is a lot of fun!

During a heavy rain a wonderful online gal met me at the mall. Her jeans were wet up to the knees. I took her to my nearby room. I let her in and checked to make sure the door was fully closed. When I turned around, she was stepping out of those wet jeans. Bless her heart.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2044542]The rain does impact in some ways. If your wechat girl is about to leave the estate to come find you then they will sometimes cancel when it rains.[/QUOTE]

Thanks all for ABC info. Oh and sorry for not posting the Q in the hotel topic. Didn't see there was a separate topic.

Will report back the last week of July on my Angeles experiences.

One evening last month a girl was coming to my room but it started to rain hard. She texted me and said she didn't like going out in the heavy rain and if I could wait a little. Also she didn't want to venture out alone and if it was ok if she brought her friend? I told it was ok that I would wait and it was ok to bring her friend.

Both came later when the rain let up and alternate waiting in the cr as I took turns with them. When it came time for them to leave the heavy rain started again. They ended up staying the night. Of course they alternated again!

Sometimes rain can work in your favor.

[QUOTE=XMan;2043793]
Which hotel has the best pool for swimming laps?[/QUOTE]The Wookland Park has the best lap pool. It is maybe 25 meters long. The hotel is on an expansive campus that feels like you are on a golf course or a southern plantation. The girls love the place. I have had a couple of pool parties there. Korean barbecue restaurant is poolside which is another great crowd pleaser. It used to be my favorite place to stay. It is still a classy place.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2044542]The rain does impact in some ways. If your wechat girl is about to leave the estate to come find you then they will sometimes cancel when it rains.[/QUOTE]Raining right now, but somebody is on the way to get some of this suite action.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2046527]Raining right now, but somebody is on the way to get some of this suite action.[/QUOTE]Hi Enternational,

Is that the Winds Hotel? Looks nice. Was you satisfied with the place?

Last time I stayed at ABC. Great experience, loved to stayed there, loved the round Jacuzzi (perfect for 3 somes) and the pissoir. Aqua bar with the pool bar was great too. Great place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2046527]Raining right now, but somebody is on the way to get some of this suite action.[/QUOTE]What hotel is that. Suite looks amazing.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2045265]One evening last month a girl was coming to my room but it started to rain hard. She texted me and said she didn't like going out in the heavy rain and if I could wait a little. Also she didn't want to venture out alone and if it was ok if she brought her friend? I told it was ok that I would wait and it was ok to bring her friend.

Both came later when the rain let up and alternate waiting in the cr as I took turns with them. When it came time for them to leave the heavy rain started again. They ended up staying the night. Of course they alternated again!

Sometimes rain can work in your favor.[/QUOTE]Haha sounds like a good problem.

Gentlemen,

I will be visiting Philippines after 2 weeks (first time) and total stay will be for 8 days. Only Mongering.

1) how many days you recommend on staying in Manila and Angeles.

2) can anyone share a link or point me to a complete guide on both cities?

Appreciate your help.

[QUOTE=AndyKhan;2047103]Gentlemen,

I will be visiting Philippines after 2 weeks (first time) and total stay will be for 8 days. Only Mongering.

1) how many days you recommend on staying in Manila and Angeles.

2) can anyone share a link or point me to a complete guide on both cities?

Appreciate your help.[/QUOTE]1. Any combination of days that will add up to 8. Like 3/5 or 2/7!

2. International Sex Guide. READ Angeles and Manila forums.

You are welcome.

[QUOTE=AndyKhan;2047103]Gentlemen,

total stay will be for 8 days. Only Mongering.

1) how many days you recommend on staying in Manila and Angeles.

2) can anyone share a link or point me to a complete guide on both cities? [/QUOTE]Go for Angeles City for the whole trip only because the mongering is focused in a concentrated locale and the learning curve will easier to manage. Exchange maybe $200 US at the airport. You will need to consider transportation to AC and lodging before you get there. As for transportation spend the extra money to secure door to door service. I wouldn't spend more than 3500 pesos. Some hotels will help arrange that for you. (I have never spent more than 1500.) You are a newbie and your time resource is tight so resign yourself to spending more money in order to optimize your time getting your end wet. Go with a higher end Hotel nearer the epicenter of the "action. " Maybe the Orchid Inn. This is not what I do but I have been coming to The PI for over 20 years. Last time I was in AC back in March and I went into maybe one bar for thirty minutes. I flatter myself to think that my hobby has attained a higher strata where I no longer soil myself with all that bar craperoo.

Complete guide? To Manila? To AC? Are you serious? Trust me. Go into a girlie bar. Buy the mamasan a cocktail and get lessons from her. Move on to the next bar if nothing there stiffens your dick. Let me know how it went down.

[QUOTE=AndyKhan;2047103]Gentlemen,

I will be visiting Philippines after 2 weeks (first time) and total stay will be for 8 days. Only Mongering.

1) how many days you recommend on staying in Manila and Angeles.

2) can anyone share a link or point me to a complete guide on both cities?

Appreciate your help.[/QUOTE]Knowing what I know I would spend 2 nights in Makati close to Burgos St (I use St Regis Hotel). Burgos has a concentrated bar scene w / a few stand out bars like Bottoms and Kojax. Bottoms has happy hour pricing till 7 pm so BF is 2100 P and 3000 P for the dancer. After that it gets more expensive where the bars want 3500 P and the BG 3000 P, you can negotiate to 2700 P maybe. Kojax is my favorite and most nights they have talent you won't find in AC. Burgos is elementary mongering like AC and there are fewer women but better looking city girls.

AC is funky and dirty but a lot of fun and much less expensive. On Fields Ave the BF is 2500/3000 P all inclusive, tip the BG if she treats you good 300 P. In the day time the Perimeter bars start at noonish and cost 1500 to 2000 P all inclusive. I like the Perimeter BGs for 3 somes in the pool and room, bikinis cost $4.

Book a hotel (maybe 3 *Pacific Breeze) in AC and have them arrange a car from Makati to AC, the going rate is 2700 P. Taxis will do it for the same or less. So my advice is 2 nights in Makati (w / in walking distance to Burgos) and 6 nights in funky AC.

Let us know how you do. Pics. Burgos St, Burgos BG (special), and AC.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2047406]Go for Angeles City for the whole trip only because the mongering is focused in a concentrated locale and the learning curve will easier to manage. Exchange maybe $200 US at the airport. You will need to consider transportation to AC and lodging before you get there. As for transportation spend the extra money to secure door to door service. I wouldn't spend more than 3500 pesos. Some hotels will help arrange that for you. (I have never spent more than 1500.) You are a newbie and your time resource is tight so resign yourself to spending more money in order to optimize your time getting your end wet. Go with a higher end Hotel nearer the epicenter of the "action. " Maybe the Orchid Inn. This is not what I do but I have been coming to The PI for over 20 years. Last time I was in AC back in March and I went into maybe one bar for thirty minutes. I flatter myself to think that my hobby has attained a higher strata where I no longer soil myself with all that bar craperoo.

Complete guide? To Manila? To AC? Are you serious? Trust me. Go into a girlie bar. Buy the mamasan a cocktail and get lessons from her. Move on to the next bar if nothing there stiffens your dick. Let me know how it went down.[/QUOTE]I think you may need to give him step by step instructions including when to insert and when to withdraw.

He will need a map too. Not just a map but a "mapped out" map outlining the steps and the stops high lighted.

Andy, I'd fly into Manila for the night and stay on / near Burgos (Makati). Then up to Angeles for three or four stay at Orchid Inn. Then bus 1.5 hours over to Subic Bay for beach stay at Treasure Island for two nights. Then back to Angeles for a night or three hours back to Manila for a night. You will get laid by many cuties and see a little more of beautiful PI. After this trip you can plan one to Cebu and fly direct to Angeles avoiding Manila altogether (well except the airport of course. Have fun. This is all the guide you need besides reading more in the Manila, Makati, Angeles City and Subic forums. It's all there, man. Just read.

[QUOTE=AndyKhan;2047103] total stay will be for 8 days. Only Mongering.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2047463]I think you may need to give him step by step instructions including when to insert and when to withdraw.

He will need a map too. Not just a map but a "mapped out" map outlining the steps and the stops high lighted.[/QUOTE]Yeah. You see I just never know who is on the other end of these inquiries so I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I want to be truly helpful because it is fun for me. Don't you like it when people come up to you and asks you for directions? Also I try to avoid sarcasm and snide remarks because I believe in the collegiality of this forum.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2047193]1. Any combination of days that will add up to 8. Like 3/5 or 2/7!

2. International Sex Guide. READ Angeles and Manila forums.

You are welcome.[/QUOTE]2-7 adds up to 8? Ok I note that.

Slight delay in posting from my last trip.

Day 1.

Going to Angeles and I just can't wait. The plane ride to the Philippines is so long. At one point during my layover, I started walking through the duty free shops with my mind making sex toys out of normal things.

Me: "What is this?

Sales rep: "this is an under eye massager. " (She turns it on and it starts vibrating).

Me: (very quickly thinking with my other head) "Is this waterproof!

Sales rep: "yes".

Me: (thinking to myself) this can be used as a sex toy. "Interesting!

The anticipation is too much really. But I board my plane and soon enough, it's wheels down in Clark. Go through security and get a metered taxi. Arrive at Scorebirds Hotel and the meter reads PHP250. I think these taxis are a relatively new service in Clark / Angeles and didn't realize they were so cheap and professional. Why was the hotel asking for PHP 500 for pickup when this service exists?

Check in to the hotel, quickly unpack (place condoms by bed, throw valuables in safe and leave the rest of the bag in the closet unpacked) and head out right away to get my bearings.

It's been a couple of years since I have been to Angeles and at first glance, it's all the same but there are changes. It feels cleaner and safer which isn't saying much but there seemed to be a little more pride in this city. * Note of caution: this is still Angeles so no matter how safe you feel, never let your guard down.

There is also a lot of demolition and construction underway. Buildings are being torn down and there are some big buildings being erected. There is this massive building right at the entrance of Walking Street. Wonder what that is going to be. Walking along / towards Perimeter, I could see a crane on a construction site in the distance. This city is really happening.

It's before noon and not many bars are open. I enter Emotion / Touch of Class and even in my advanced desperation of wanting to hump anything that moves, the line up here is really bad. Best to avoid.

Make my way over to Club Rio. It's no longer there; it's now Cool Mango. But Niftys is there. I walk in and I am mobbed! This is still a really fun bar. Having taken just a couple of steps in, sweat dripping down from walking in the hot Philippine sun, two girls are grabbing my very Happy cock. This has to be the fastest cock grab I have ever experienced! In what I can only describe as an out of body experience and without realizing what is going on, I have been gently tugged to the sitting area by my cock, a girl on either side is sitting with me and massaging my cock, each girl has a drink, I am having a San Mig and I have the stupidest yet happiest grin on my face. Finally, I have reached. After another San Mig, get my itch scratched and this trips AC cherry popped, I decide to move on.

Honey Ko is closed indefinitely. Not sure if it's a permanent close or temporary. Life goes on I guess. Walk into Mischief and everyone inside is preparing their make up and they all say we open at 2. Moving on and not sure what bars are open, Det5 is definitely open. It's changed since the last time I was here. New owner, new layout.

There is nobody dancing in Det5. Lots of girls and they are all putting on make up. The bar is definitely open it's just the dancing hasn't started. A few girls start talking to me and laughing with me. I must still have that stupid grin from Niftys on my face. There is a beautiful girl that is wearing a dress. She claims me as her Honey Pie. She is a door girl. We talk, she doesn't usually barfine especially as they have just opened but she makes an exception for me. And Long Time. In the words of Wayne and Garth when they see a hot woman: excellent. Schwing!!

Sit at Det5, beer, a door girl feeling me up and down and sexy women all around me putting on their makeup in the mirror above my head. It's all good. The door girl has a really nice accent. It sounds very American but without the twangs. We finally leave and go back to Scorebirds.

Filipinos do the girl friend experience so well. Back in the hotel, it's as if we are lovers that are both horny. We are making out in all sorts of position and then just to ratchet things up, she goes into pornstar mode and has her tongue up my ass. Only in the Phils can this happen. And it's so good.

I really enjoyed staying at Scorebirds as in between rounds, you could go and sit by the pool, have a beer, if you want to go swimming you can. Recharge and then head back for another round. It's kind of rare to meet a bargirl that you can talk to (beyond the "where you from?" "How long you stay") and have decent conversations. This Det5 girl was very cool to hang out with and she definitely made the start of my trip very memorable. I hope everyday is this good.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2048382]There is nobody dancing in Det5. There is a beautiful girl that is wearing a dress. She claims me as her Honey Pie. She is a door girl. We talk, she doesn't usually barfine especially as they have just opened but she makes an exception for me. [/QUOTE]Might be the same chick I reported on last month. I do not know about the usually doesn't barfine part though. My girl liked to fuck too damn much. She was fucking me like she was the one paying.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2047964]2-7 adds up to 8? Ok I note that.[/QUOTE]Yes sir. Just testing to see if anyone reads the post.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2047820]Yeah. You see I just never know who is on the other end of these inquiries so I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I want to be truly helpful because it is fun for me. Don't you like it when people come up to you and asks you for directions? Also I try to avoid sarcasm and snide remarks because I believe in the collegiality of this forum.[/QUOTE]Thank you sir. I will try to be a better poster.

You crack me up, Mr. E! Cheers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2048497] She was fucking me like she was the one paying.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Tropix is one of my favourites.

Can you tell me the name of the girl that you took from Tropix? Best regards.

[quote]Right after a disappointing experience in Tokyo I went to Angeles City two weeks ago and what a pleasant surprise it was, I thought Philippines don't compare to Thailand at all, and clearly, there is very little comparison in terms of quality and quantity, but Philippine girls are real deal, real women in every sense; no greed for money, very little luring to get you paying for drinks, they are extremely patient and all in all, this is the first time I experienced a real women in the world of mongering, well Thai women are very good too, but Philippines are just something else. This is how it all went down after that letdown in Tokyo where they asked me $1000 for two hours to be soaped by some sushi girl. So, I book a return ticket on Philippine Airlines from Tokyo for about $400. Very comfortable flight, I ain't going to lie, landed in Manila and followed guidelines from some blogger on how to get a busv to AC as I did not want to waste my time in Manila, someone wrote that AC is better if you do not want to deal with craziness on megacity of 12 million people, and driving through poor parts of Manila where everything but that one neighbourhood called Makati is poor, I totally understood why Manila needs to be avoided. Took a taxy from airport to Victory bus line, half hour ride for about $3. Bus from main bus terminal to Angeles City is a 100 mile ride and it takes two hours and costs $3. Philippines is a poor poor country and it is heartbreaking to see people sleep on the streets. Got to AC around 3 pm and the taxi guy took me to Donald Paul hotel where I stayed for 3 days and had best massage ever for about $10 and it lasts 90 minutes, amazing. Took a stroll to Fields aveue to see what's going on and was pulled by the sleeve and ushered to RocknRoll bar. [BLUE][DeletedbyAdmin][/BLUE] The next day I explored fields Av a little better and found a few places best of which is Ra, all girls tall and skinny, look no further kind of place. Took a girl by the name of Jacquelin and had party all night, we hit it five times. Price everywhere in AC is abut $60 for the night unless you want a virgin, they have one in Ra and some other places, not sure what the price for that is. The next day I spent at Aqua club which is the spa with restaurant but there is no girls, you can bring your own. Amazing place great massage. $10 cover at the door and pay for food and massage separately. Next day went to Thropix, as suggested by someone here on ISG and that was bingo, got a nice 28 yo girl, half Chinese half Spanish with nice big butt. Straight to the hotel, at that point I moved to Clarkton hotel, shower, sex and fucking condom breaks. Anyway, right after that she said no more condom and for next two days we fucked raw. I mean, how much would something like that cost in Tokyo? $80 k, 100 k? You tell me. Here in AC, it was 60 a night, two nights $120 and I gave her & 100 tip. Perfect, flawless experience, both parties happy, she still texts me every day trying to get me back there. Real fucking women out there, highly recommended.[/quote]

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2048382]Slight delay in posting from my last trip.
There is also a lot of demolition and construction underway. Buildings are being torn down and there are some big buildings being erected. There is this massive building right at the entrance of Walking Street. Wonder what that is going to be. Walking along / towards Perimeter, I could see a crane on a construction site in the distance. This city is really happening.
[/QUOTE]Nice post Indy, and makes me look forward to going back next month. The new building to which you refer is being built by the owner of ABC, and will house, among other establishments, a Phillies restaurant and two new discos, one of which will be located on the ground floor. I know that all of the space has already been leased, but I don't know what types of stores will occupy the rest.

GE.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2048382]Slight delay in posting from my last trip.

Day 1.

Going to Angeles and I just can't wait. The plane ride to the Philippines is so long. At one point during my layover, I started walking through the duty free shops with my mind making sex toys out of normal things.

Me: "What is this?

Sales rep: "this is an under eye massager. " (She turns it on and it starts vibrating).

Me: (very quickly thinking with my other head) "Is this waterproof!

Sales rep: "yes".

Me: (thinking to myself) this can be used as a sex toy. "Interesting!

The anticipation is too much really. But I board my plane and soon enough, it's wheels down in Clark. Go through security and get a metered taxi. Arrive at Scorebirds Hotel and the meter reads PHP250. I think these taxis are a relatively new service in Clark / Angeles and didn't realize they were so cheap and professional. Why was the hotel asking for PHP 500 for pickup when this service exists?

Check in to the hotel, quickly unpack (place condoms by bed, throw valuables in safe and leave the rest of the bag in the closet unpacked) and head out right away to get my bearings.

It's been a couple of years since I have been to Angeles and at first glance, it's all the same but there are changes. It feels cleaner and safer which isn't saying much but there seemed to be a little more pride in this city. * Note of caution: this is still Angeles so no matter how safe you feel, never let your guard down.

There is also a lot of demolition and construction underway. Buildings are being torn down and there are some big buildings being erected. There is this massive building right at the entrance of Walking Street. Wonder what that is going to be. Walking along / towards Perimeter, I could see a crane on a construction site in the distance. This city is really happening.

It's before noon and not many bars are open. I enter Emotion / Touch of Class and even in my advanced desperation of wanting to hump anything that moves, the line up here is really bad. Best to avoid.

Make my way over to Club Rio. It's no longer there; it's now Cool Mango. But Niftys is there. I walk in and I am mobbed! This is still a really fun bar. Having taken just a couple of steps in, sweat dripping down from walking in the hot Philippine sun, two girls are grabbing my very Happy cock. This has to be the fastest cock grab I have ever experienced! In what I can only describe as an out of body experience and without realizing what is going on, I have been gently tugged to the sitting area by my cock, a girl on either side is sitting with me and massaging my cock, each girl has a drink, I am having a San Mig and I have the stupidest yet happiest grin on my face. Finally, I have reached. After another San Mig, get my itch scratched and this trips AC cherry popped, I decide to move on.

Honey Ko is closed indefinitely. Not sure if it's a permanent close or temporary. Life goes on I guess. Walk into Mischief and everyone inside is preparing their make up and they all say we open at 2. Moving on and not sure what bars are open, Det5 is definitely open. It's changed since the last time I was here. New owner, new layout.

There is nobody dancing in Det5. Lots of girls and they are all putting on make up. The bar is definitely open it's just the dancing hasn't started. A few girls start talking to me and laughing with me. I must still have that stupid grin from Niftys on my face. There is a beautiful girl that is wearing a dress. She claims me as her Honey Pie. She is a door girl. We talk, she doesn't usually barfine especially as they have just opened but she makes an exception for me. And Long Time. In the words of Wayne and Garth when they see a hot woman: excellent. Schwing!!

Sit at Det5, beer, a door girl feeling me up and down and sexy women all around me putting on their makeup in the mirror above my head. It's all good. The door girl has a really nice accent. It sounds very American but without the twangs. We finally leave and go back to Scorebirds.

Filipinos do the girl friend experience so well. Back in the hotel, it's as if we are lovers that are both horny. We are making out in all sorts of position and then just to ratchet things up, she goes into pornstar mode and has her tongue up my ass. Only in the Phils can this happen. And it's so good.

I really enjoyed staying at Scorebirds as in between rounds, you could go and sit by the pool, have a beer, if you want to go swimming you can. Recharge and then head back for another round. It's kind of rare to meet a bargirl that you can talk to (beyond the "where you from?" "How long you stay") and have decent conversations. This Det5 girl was very cool to hang out with and she definitely made the start of my trip very memorable. I hope everyday is this good.[/QUOTE]Nice report Indy, I am in Makati for the past week, actually staying in the Makati Palace hotel on Burgous and I will be in AC on Monday. I think Scorebirds will fit the spot for my hotel too.

Thanks,

TTM.

Does anyone know why the H the H newsletter stopped updating? I used to enjoy browsing thru it every month. And is Jimmy Dale okay? He seemed to be having a lot of health issues when he handed over the newsletter to someone else.

Apologies as I don't think I am going to be able to do a day by day report as I had initially planned for this trip. Sitting here in the lounge for my layover home, I would like to share some of the more memorable experiences that I didn't get to experience on my first trip instead.

I finally got to enjoy the Score Birds pool party. There was a bikini contest which was not that great. And there was the model competition which was awesome! As I was alone, I got seated with a group of Japanese and none of them spoke English. One of the gentlemen bought the spray bottle and he had the privilege, and responsibility, of spraying the models white bikinis so that we, the audience, would have a good look. He came back and reported which ones were the best and of course, our entire table, me included, had to vote for the girl he liked. It's amazing how this hobby allows people to connect without speaking the same language.

All the models were good looking with good bodies. Some skinny, some average but no chubbies. Beautiful faces and hair. I liked one girl with wavy long hair but she was already enjoying a San Mig Apple with a white guy. He got up, probably to take a leak, and I quickly made eye contact with her and patted the chair next to me. She came overand say down and immediately a waitress was asking if I wanted to buy her a drink which I declined as I wasn't sure how long she was going to sit with me. We chatted for a while until he came back and she returned. She was able to get a few drinks from different guests that afternoon and I was able to get a few more conversations with her. She was gorgeous and was enjoying all the attention. At one point, I think I counted three opened San Mig Apples that were hers but at different tables.

The next night I went to her bar, one of the bigger Fields bars, and I couldn't see her. She found me and boy did she remember me. Hugged me, screamed my name, claimed me and we had a drink. I love it when the girls scream your name in the club when they see you. I asked if I could bar fine her when she told me the next day is her day off and she is going to the province for a couple of days. Because it's her day off tomorrow, she can't collect her share of today's barfine. I don't know how this system works, it doesn't make sense to me but whatever, as she can meet up with me when the bar closes. I am good with that. Pass over a Score Birds business card with my name and room number on it. Within fifteen minutes of her getting off work, my bedroom phone rings letting me know I have a visitor. My model comes in, we kiss but she needs to go and get something from a cousin and she will be back in 30 minutes. She just didn't want me waiting. She is a good girl and I like her a lot. She returns and I enjoy this model for the rest of the night and she leaves mid morning. Fortunately, she leaves Angeles before I have a chance to fall in love with her.

As I was leaving Score Birds one evening around 10 pm, on my way to a few bars on Walking Street, I see two girls coming out of Pacific Breeze hotel in their tight mini skirt dresses and heels. Skinny five foot tall pinoys look so sexy in heels. I catch up to them quickly and on a whim, I say "Good evening ladies" and continue to walk. They stop me. They are beautiful and look happy in each other's company. We chat and they are just finishing up a shortime and returning to their Fields bar. We come to an arrangement. They started off with 3 k each as that's what the barfine would be but we get it to something significantly more reasonable for long time. Christine and Sarah hold each of my hands and we make the very short walk back to Score Birds.

On my return, the security guy is genuinely surprised. I know he is seen it all but two girls in two minutes must be a new record.

Christine is a fox and she asks if I swim. I say yes and she says she wants to go swimming as well. Just outside the hotel, an entrepreneurial woman has set up a tiny kiosk that sells bikinis. And they are very cheap. Bought two bikinis and off we go to the room for my first threesome of the trip. Afterwards, sitting outside by the pool in the hot night sky, after swimming and frolicking with two girls, a beer tastes very good.

The next afternoon, my plan is to enjoy the Perimeter bars. My plan is always the same: Perimeter in the afternoon and Fields in the evening. As I leave Score Birds and approach close to where I picked up the girls last night, a voice shouts at me "Hey! You! I saw you last night!

I look over and it's a couple of girls / ladyboys in the spa. I think it's best to ignore them but my curiosity is piqued and decide to walk over and play coy. They are eating some delicious mangos and offer me a piece. What did you see? What are you talking about? And they proceeded to recount their view point of what happened when I picked up Sarah and Christine and my negotiating. I didn't realize I had asked for so many things from the two girls. Then they wanted to know what happened afterwards, what we did and how long they stayed. None of your business is what happened. These two hairstylists were a lot of fun to talk to. No customers in the spa so they were bored.

I told them that I have never had a manicure or pedicure before and was wondering if I could have one. They both grabbed me and sat me down in the spa. One worked on my feet, the other on my hands. The math just doesn't make sense on this: for 320 PHP (essentially the cost of a beer and two single lady drinks), I got my feet washed, scrubbed free of callouses, foot and calf massage, toenails cut and finger nails filed down. How are they making money in that hour? According to them, I received the "poosy manicure" which is quite popular with the men. What is a "poosy manicure" you ask? They filed my nails down so I can have more fun feeling my girls pussy without scratching the girls. Makes sense to me.

It turns out they are both ladyboys and they start telling me some funny stories over the course of the next hour. Apparently, men from all over the world enjoy the company of Angeles City ladyboys. However, the clear majority seems to be the white Americans that drink all day in bars with their friends, watching girls but then pick up the ladyboys to take back to their rooms. The Swiss, Aussies and Arabs get honourable mentions in many stories.

I now understand the stereotype associated with gossiping and salons.

And now every time I walk by the spa with a girl, they are sure to tell me their opinion the next day. There are some very fun people to talk to in Angeles.

There have been a lot of recommendations on the Phills forums to use technology (WeChat, Facebook, DIA, etc) to line up dates. While I am sure they are effective, I just can't be bothered to put in the time for that when you can get the same thing within 5 minutes of walking into a bar.

I am a little old fashioned that way as I carry my hotel cards with my name and room number (phone is always left in the room safe). If I want to meet up with a girl later on or if I want to try to repeat with a girl, I will give them the card and encourage them to call. The idea being they put in the effort instead of me and I am not inundated with texts and messages. They never call. Instead, they just show up at the hotel, I get a ring in my room asking if I am expecting company and not knowing who it could be, I say yes. Also works great for getting relaxed massages in my room. Once when I returned, the hotel let me know that a girl came by looking for me. I never found out who that girl was. Coming by the hotel is probably cheaper than calling.

Tip: Be smart and always tip the hotel doorman / security guard. Make sure you chat with them and let them give you advice (it might rain later, watch for pick pockets sir) and then tip them for the advice. It goes a long way in making sure you are safe and having a good time in your hotel.

One night I barfined a waitress / hostess from Route 69/ Bar Hoppin. Not sure if this bar is called Route 69 or Bar Hoppin but there were two signs and only one door. We chatted, discussed barfine, we got along really well and when it came to confirming if she wanted to come with me, she said yes. I asked if she could stay until 10 in the morning; she said she could stay till 8 as she had to get home to wash her uniform because the manager will dick pay if the uniforms aren't clean. And apparently the manager is very hands on and his wife, rightly so, shows up quite often to manage him with all the girls. LOL, the stories she told me were hilarious. We agree she will stay till 8 am and we leave.

After one amazing round, she says that she would like to go and wish her friend a happy birthday and she will be back. I am a little upset but there is no point in saying no as it spoils the mood. She leaves and returns in an hour. She knows I am upset and she cranks up the hornieness on her return. We go one more very sexy and passionate round and I am tired and am about to have a really good nights sleep.

But wait! She would like to go and celebrate with her friend because she had promised her friend and they had been planning karaoke for her birthday. "So, why did you agree to a barfine then?" "I don't know". She says she will come back in 3-4 hours and suck me off on her return. I don't believe her as this time she is taking her bag with her which she didn't do earlier.

As soon as she leaves, my phone rings and the front desk asks if it's ok for the girl to go. I say yes. And then the phone rings again and I am being asked if I am expecting anyone. Confused I say yes thinking the Route 69 girl changed her mind and came back. I open my door and soon I hear high heels coming towards me. It's foxy Christine from the other night and she jumps into my arms and wraps her feet around my hips. We go and sit outside by the pool enjoying a beer. I see the hotel doorman and he gestures with a thumbs up asking if everything is ok and I give him two thumbs back. I wasn't sure why Christine was here and didn't want her in my room just yet. We talked and similar to a few nights ago, she just wanted to relax and not go back to the bar. Fine by me and welcome back you foxy lady. Thank you oh Angeles gods.

The next night, out bar hopping and went back into Bar Hoppin. My date from the previous night was busy with a guest but I sat kind of next to her and ordered a beer and watched the stage. She couldn't talk to me as I think her attention has to be on the guy that bought her a drink but we were able to chat a little bit. I asked her why she didn't return last night and her response was she thought I would be asleep and didn't want to bother me. Riiiiggghhht. I told her no, I was awake most of the night (true) and I was expecting her to come back for her tip (not really true as I was hoping nothing would disturb my night with Christine but if she did show up, I would at least give her a tip). At which point I paid for my beer and left.

A thank you to everyone who has contributed previously on this forum. This second time to Angeles was a lot easier and more comfortable.

This time around, I had more hairy pussy than last time. I liked it as it's typical feminine Filipino. It's just a little bit, some were trimmed but you had to look pretty close to see it. And it always felt good to the touch.

Bar fines have generally gone up along Perimeter. It was very rare to find a place where you could barfine for less than 2 k. 2 k seems to be the new minimum.

Is it me or are the girls getting younger? I like it. It also seems there are more girls that haven't had children yet. I like that too.

On this trip, without putting a lot of thought and effort into it, I was able to get girls back to my hotel without paying a barfine. It was always a random and it was fun but I don't think it's worth the planning and time investment you have to put in. Unless it feels like a moment of opportunity.

I heard this phrase quite a bit from the girls whenever I would tease them "See how you are. " It's very cute when they say it and laugh back.

Returning to a bar where you have bar fined a girl is a lot of fun for a drink. These girls remember you and they scream when you enter. It almost makes you feel like a rockstar amongst your groupies. Instead of getting free drinks as a rockstar, you just have to buy yourself a drink and the ladies. And your bar fine and / or her friends are just a lot more friendlier with you than when you first met them.

My go to conversation was usually something around me retiring and moving to the Philippines and wanting to live with the girl or girls I was currently talking with. However, in my scenario, I would do something silly like steal US $5 million and once I get to the Philippines, I would need to throw my passport away and would she live with me and hide me from the authorities? The bank accounts would have to be in her name for obvious reasons. The answer was always yes.

Where would we live?

- In the province diba.

- I hide you with my family. My family protect you.

- We live in Palawan on the beach. Maybe Cebu.

- We live in Manila; big city, no one finds you.

And then the conversations would just take a life of its own and they would talk and share their dreams. You can see the aspiration that some of the girls have and all the things they want to do.

- We should have a business so we can have savings.

- We will have nine children diba?

- I will manage the apartment building while you go to the bar and boom boom enjoy every day. And if you like bring her home for threesome.

- One girl, an aspiring engineer, sketched our dream home on a napkin. It had a one year completion date and a swimming pool on the roof. Impressive!

It was a fun made up conversation.

Keep enjoying Angeles everyone.

Nice reports, Indy. Low tech / high touch approach a little risky what with unannounced / unexpected visits but sometimes nice surprises.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2049176]There have been a lot of recommendations on the Phills forums to use technology t can't be bothered to put in the time for that when you can get the same thing within 5 minutes of walking into a bar. I am a little old fashioned that way as I carry my hotel cards with my name and room number (phone is always left in the room safe). If I want to meet up with a girl later on or if I want to try to repeat with a girl, I will give them the card and encourage them to call. The idea being they put in the effort instead of me and I am not inundated with texts and messages. They never call. Instead, they just show up at the hotel.[/QUOTE]

Indy Hundred, great reports. A big thanks.

The reason most girls don't bar fine the day before their day off if they have certain plans is most bars require them to work the day after a bar fine, whether they have a scheduled day off or not. This policy is to prevent a girl from "sneaking" out on her day off with the bar finer and not paying the bar. Most girls will bar fine and postpone their day off if they don't have anything scheduled.

I have had this happened to me on many occasions. Most girls really made it up to me when they came back.

Thank you for sharing your experiences Indy. Reiterates my thinking that our stay in this city can really be fun if you want it to be. I have been here 4 or 5 times and it has never let me down. My trip here has always been better than the earlier one.

Just counting days for my next trip in August, can't wait to be back.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2049164]Apologies as I don't think I am going to be able to do a day by day report as I had initially planned for this trip. Sitting here in the lounge for my layover home, I would like to share some of the more memorable experiences that I didn't get to experience on my first trip instead.

.[/QUOTE]I love reports like this. It gives a real feel of the place, thanks for taking the time to post.

Hey guys,

Great forum and info. Have read back many months and it seems to confirm that AC is the place for me next month as I plan a vacation. I'm thinking I'll splurge a little and stay at ABC hotel, although Score Birds sounds interesting. I like the idea of a nice hotel with a pool and an upscale bar where I can meet girls. I'm a tall, fit, good looking white guy and I'm thinking my first efforts would be picking up regular girls and / or freelancers at the hotel bar, or regular clubs (High Society? I've also had a lot of success with Tinder here in LA and it sounds like that might be another option. I do enjoy connecting a little with a girl first before we get it on. If that fails then I'll barfine a girl and take her back to my hotel for a couple hours or maybe the night if she's great. I think 2 hours with a girl would be my ideal. Is that considered short time?

During the day. Hang at the pool, wander around the city, eat, smile at some girls, and see what happens. Take a nap, then at night maybe hit some of the bars, have some sex, repeat for 7 days. Money is not a huge object. I'm thinking of splurging a little on the trip. Does this sound like a reasonable plan of attack? What percentage of girls will jump on bareback? Seems like quite a few in the Philippines but maybe I'm misreading the situation. Really looking forward to this trip.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2049686]Hey guys,

Great forum and info. Have read back many months and it seems to confirm that AC is the place for me next month as I plan a vacation. I'm thinking I'll splurge a little and stay at ABC hotel, although Score Birds sounds interesting. I like the idea of a nice hotel with a pool and an upscale bar where I can meet girls. I'm a tall, fit, good looking white guy and I'm thinking my first efforts would be picking up regular girls and / or freelancers at the hotel bar, or regular clubs (High Society? I've also had a lot of success with Tinder here in LA and it sounds like that might be another option. I do enjoy connecting a little with a girl first before we get it on. If that fails then I'll barfine a girl and take her back to my hotel for a couple hours or maybe the night if she's great. I think 2 hours with a girl would be my ideal. Is that considered short time?

During the day. Hang at the pool, wander around the city, eat, smile at some girls, and see what happens. Take a nap, then at night maybe hit some of the bars, have some sex, repeat for 7 days. Money is not a huge object. I'm thinking of splurging a little on the trip. Does this sound like a reasonable plan of attack? What percentage of girls will jump on bareback? Seems like quite a few in the Philippines but maybe I'm misreading the situation. Really looking forward to this trip.[/QUOTE]AC is a redlight district and I think you are going there for the wrong reasons. Don't get me wrong you can still find good girls in angeles but I believe you will have a better chances in Manila.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2049752]AC is a redlight district and I think you are going there for the wrong reasons. Don't get me wrong you can still find good girls in angeles but I believe you will have a better chances in Manila.[/QUOTE]If your quest is to bed semi-pros to "normal" ladies then Bro is probably right. However, freelancers abound during the weekend. At Aqua Club at ABC, and of course at High Society pretty much every night. In addition, I'm guessing the two new clubs to be located in the building now being constructed jut before the beginning of Walking Street might also prove likely sources. The infinity pool at Aqua is quite nice and the ladies seem to love it, together with the bar itself.

GE.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2049686]

During the day. Hang at the pool, wander around the city, eat, smile at some girls, and see what happens. Take a nap, then at night maybe hit some of the bars, have some sex, repeat for 7 days. Money is not a huge object. I'm thinking of splurging a little on the trip. Does this sound like a reasonable plan of attack? What percentage of girls will jump on bareback? Seems like quite a few in the Philippines but maybe I'm misreading the situation. Really looking forward to this trip.[/QUOTE]AC is loads of fun and the girls are fun too. Go to the bars and just have fun. Take one, two, three girls a time, each day live out a new fantasy. No need to try too hard to pickup regular girls. Why bother?

If you like sex, then a bar girl and enthusiastic freelancer is going to be a lot more fun that a regular girl that still has hangups about sex. Maybe do some mix and match, a bargirl, then a regular girl.

Regular girls will have jobs and arrangements that might not fit in with your holiday plans.

Regular girls around AC know about the sex tourist market and have a finely honed radar. There are lots of regular girls who freelance.

Maybe you could do a few days in Manila and a few days in AC, then report back.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2049850]AC is loads of fun and the girls are fun too. Go to the bars and just have fun. Take one, two, three girls a time, each day live out a new fantasy. No need to try too hard to pickup regular girls. Why bother?

If you like sex, then a bar girl and enthusiastic freelancer is going to be a lot more fun that a regular girl that still has hangups about sex. Maybe do some mix and match, a bargirl, then a regular girl.

Regular girls will have jobs and arrangements that might not fit in with your holiday plans.

Regular girls around AC know about the sex tourist market and have a finely honed radar. There are lots of regular girls who freelance.

Maybe you could do a few days in Manila and a few days in AC, then report back.

BD.[/QUOTE]The Tall Man just got into my room here at Score Birds, nice place, in my room right now and service is good and pool is clean and getting ready to hit walking street tonight.

Thanks to all who have posted. I will spend 3 days here then head back to Makati Burgoes street, I have been staying at the Makati Palace hotel for the past week and a half and will return.

Be safe and time to party!

TTN.

Oh yes, daily sex is on the menu for sure, no matter where it comes from. Trying my hand at semi-pros and civilians was more of a side effort or daytime activity. My point is that I kind of wanted to treat it like a regular vacation in the way I meet girls. Paying for a good time from a pro is not a problem. And to the gent who said two at a time, I like where your head is at.

I did consider going to Manila first for a few days but I started to think I'd rather just stay in one spot and relax and learn the ropes rather than have to travel. But that's a possibility. Thanks for the feedback.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2049767]If your quest is to bed semi-pros to "normal" ladies then Bro is probably right. However, freelancers abound during the weekend. At Aqua Club at ABC, and of course at High Society pretty much every night. In addition, I'm guessing the two new clubs to be located in the building now being constructed jut before the beginning of Walking Street might also prove likely sources. The infinity pool at Aqua is quite nice and the ladies seem to love it, together with the bar itself.

GE.[/QUOTE]

How does ws Angeles compare to pattaya? Is cebu the bigger sex destination?

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2050710]How does ws Angeles compare to pattaya? Is cebu the bigger sex destination?[/QUOTE]As my friend explained it to me before my first time going, it is like Pattaya but 1/50th of the size. As far as Cebu being a sex destination, guys that go there meet chicks online for the most part.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2050725]As my friend explained it to me before my first time going, it is like Pattaya but 1/50th of the size. As far as Cebu being a sex destination, guys that go there meet chicks online for the most part.[/QUOTE]1/50th of the girl or the city is 1/50th of the size? Are the girls in Angeles young? I have heard they are old.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2050899]1/50th of the girl or the city is 1/50th of the size? Are the girls in Angeles young? I have heard they are old.[/QUOTE]I don't get into ages, but according to google maps you can walk from High Society on Fields to Det 5 on Perimeter in 18 minutes, whereas it would take you 2 hours and 23 minutes to walk from Naklua to Jomtien Beach in Pattaya. In each city these are the extremes of where you would be going.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2050899]1/50th of the girl or the city is 1/50th of the size? Are the girls in Angeles young? I have heard they are old.[/QUOTE]Hi Mr. MG.

I regularly monger in Angeles and Pattaya and go to both places twice a year. The area in Angeles called on Fields Avenue is only about 300 meters long and this is where the best gogo bars are located in addition to the infamous High Society Disco. It also is called Walking Street, and Pattaya has its own Walking Street also. You then have many bars and smaller gogos sporadically spread out from Atlantis go go bar (end of Walking Street) continuing on Fields Ave a bit more, and Fields becomes 21st street, then Don Juico Ave. For about 1. 5 km. There are also some side streets off of 21st Street and Fields Ave. (outside of Walking Street), which have small bars, a few massage places, etc. but, it is best not to wander into these side streets on your own at night just for safety precaution.

Pattaya has a huge Walking Street filled with many gogos, bars, discos etc. and you have many Sois, Alleys (small streets), Roads, going from North Pattaya continuing into Central Pattaya (largest or prime area of establishments) , then into South Pattaya. There are many long streets that go East to West such as Beach Road, Pattayasaisong Rd, Soi Buakhao, Pattaya 3rd road. All in all Pattaya City is about 4-5 km North to South and 2. 5 km east to west from Beach Road to the filled with massage places, bars, gogos, etc. So there are literally thousands of venues whereas AC is the short Walking Street area of a few hundred meters and then the outer area of Angeles which is primarily an extension of Fields Ave. I would say that in terms of geographic size, yes Pattaya is probably more like 25 times larger than Angeles.

As far as working girls, Pattaya is estimated to have close to 30 k-40 k working girls, massage girls, etc. Whereas AC probably will have 3-5 k working at any given idea (this is my best estimate as there are no real numbers documented).

The majority of women in the gogos, bars, establishments, street freelancers in Angeles City that we meet are mainly between early 20's to later 20's. In Pattaya, there are actually more older women working in the massage places, discos, and smaller type bars than you see in AC, but the majority are still in their 20s. In other words, age is not a concern in either cities are there are plenty of younger women to choose from in both places.

As far as my favorite out of the two, no comparison that the girls in AC give better service, are more GFE, and have better attitudes. The Thai women are just more business like, colder, and there are far more mongers in Pattaya for me to compete with there. In AC the ratio of girls to mongers in always heavily lopsided in my favor also. Lastly, prices for AC are usually almost half of what I pay in Pattaya unless you do Beach Road girls in Pattaya which I won't even consider as you don't know if you are getting a ladyboy or real girl. Pattaya does have better looking girls in the GoGo Bars and has the advantage in the looks category but you will have to pay way more than in AC for these girls. But, Pattaya is just monger Disneyland on steroids due to the sheer mass of venues, working girls, action, etc. So that is why I continue to enjoy both. Do yourself a favor, and do not miss out on either destination, try AC for half your trip and Pattaya for the other half and then decide which destination has the better girls as numbers really don't matter (having plenty of girls in both destinations ). Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2050939]As far as working girls, Pattaya is estimated to have close to 30 k-40 k working girls, massage girls, etc. Whereas AC probably will have 3-5 k working at any given idea (this is my best estimate as there are no real numbers documented).


As far as my favorite out of the two, no comparison that the girls in AC give better service, are more GFE, and have better attitudes. The Thai women are just more business like, colder, and there are far more mongers in Pattaya for me to compete with there. In AC the ratio of girls to mongers in always heavily lopsided in my favor also. Lastly, prices for AC are usually almost half of what I pay in Pattaya unless you do Beach Road girls in Pattaya which I won't even consider as you don't know if you are getting a ladyboy or real girl. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your excellent and helpful post. There have been quite a few good posts recently, that serve as good basic primers for the mongers who haven't been there. I was in Pattaya in early December, and so I found your comparison, quite helpful.

A few questions to the forum though: Isn't part of the GFE the result of so many Filipinos being able to converse in English? The Thai girls who understand English the best were the ones who came off as well-experienced Pros, as I had been warned. Also, what is the scene like for AC street girls and are the girls discounted as is the case on Beach Road? In Thailand, I soon found I liked getting things off the street: food, supplies, girls, Kamagra, everything. Someone on the Thailand forum said that same thing once, and I thought that was risky, but soon found that is how I liked to do things as well. Gogos didn't appeal to me much, though I did like Soi 6 and the Windmill was a hoot! Something I experienced in the Land of Smiles and I noticed again recently, in the Dominican Republic is that the best service was always at the lower end of the price range for me. Maybe its been dumb luck on my part, or maybe I am good at connecting with the motivated provider. I'd like to hear some other mongers take on the stray pussy cats on the street in AC.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2050939]Hi Mr. MG.

I regularly monger in Angeles and Pattaya and go to both places twice a year. The area in Angeles called on Fields Avenue is only about 300 meters long and this is where the best gogo bars are located in addition to the infamous High Society Disco. It also is called Walking Street, and Pattaya has its own Walking Street also. You then have many bars and smaller gogos sporadically spread out from Atlantis go go bar (end of Walking Street) continuing on Fields Ave a bit more, and Fields becomes 21st street, then Don Juico Ave. For about 1. 5 km. There are also some side streets off of 21st Street and Fields Ave. (outside of Walking Street), which have small bars, a few massage places, etc. but, it is best not to wander into these side streets on your own at night just for safety precaution.

Pattaya has a huge Walking Street filled with many gogos, bars, discos etc. and you have many Sois, Alleys (small streets), Roads, going from North Pattaya continuing into Central Pattaya (largest or prime area of establishments) , then into South Pattaya. There are many long streets that go East to West such as Beach Road, Pattayasaisong Rd, Soi Buakhao, Pattaya 3rd road. All in all Pattaya City is about 4-5 km North to South and 2. 5 km east to west from Beach Road to the filled with massage places, bars, gogos, etc. So there are literally thousands of venues whereas AC is the short Walking Street area of a few hundred meters and then the outer area of Angeles which is primarily an extension of Fields Ave. I would say that in terms of geographic size, yes Pattaya is probably more like 25 times larger than Angeles.

As far as working girls, Pattaya is estimated to have close to 30 k-40 k working girls, massage girls, etc. Whereas AC probably will have 3-5 k working at any given idea (this is my best estimate as there are no real numbers documented).

The majority of women in the gogos, bars, establishments, street freelancers in Angeles City that we meet are mainly between early 20's to later 20's. In Pattaya, there are actually more older women working in the massage places, discos, and smaller type bars than you see in AC, but the majority are still in their 20s. In other words, age is not a concern in either cities are there are plenty of younger women to choose from in both places.

As far as my favorite out of the two, no comparison that the girls in AC give better service, are more GFE, and have better attitudes. The Thai women are just more business like, colder, and there are far more mongers in Pattaya for me to compete with there. In AC the ratio of girls to mongers in always heavily lopsided in my favor also. Lastly, prices for AC are usually almost half of what I pay in Pattaya unless you do Beach Road girls in Pattaya which I won't even consider as you don't know if you are getting a ladyboy or real girl. Pattaya does have better looking girls in the GoGo Bars and has the advantage in the looks category but you will have to pay way more than in AC for these girls. But, Pattaya is just monger Disneyland on steroids due to the sheer mass of venues, working girls, action, etc. So that is why I continue to enjoy both. Do yourself a favor, and do not miss out on either destination, try AC for half your trip and Pattaya for the other half and then decide which destination has the better girls as numbers really don't matter (having plenty of girls in both destinations ). Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Great objective review of both destinations StudBucket. I have never been to Pattaya and have little desire to do so other than a curiosity. With only 3 days in AC under my belt I am certainly in no position to comment only that I am very glad that I visited AC but frankly unless I am traveling with some buddies I have no reason to return but only because I spend much of my time mongering in Mexico and South America, Medellin Colombia to be exact.

BUT all in all I meet some great girls at Crystal and Atlantis and another 2 bars which names escape me. I stayed at Score Birds hotel. I am now back in Makati staying right on Burgos Street and last night enjoy a 3-day newly fresh 22 year old that I pulled out of Kojax, wow in beauty and with a heart of gold to boot, its girls like this that you and I need to be careful with falling in love with, that fresh and truly sweet kind and honesty with a body ohhhhhhhhh maybe I will return tonight.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2050979]Great objective review of both destinations StudBucket. I have never been to Pattaya and have little desire to do so other than a curiosity. With only 3 days in AC under my belt I am certainly in no position to comment only that I am very glad that I visited AC but frankly unless I am traveling with some buddies I have no reason to return but only because I spend much of my time mongering in Mexico and South America, Medellin Colombia to be exact.

BUT all in all I meet some great girls at Crystal and Atlantis and another 2 bars which names escape me. I stayed at Score Birds hotel. I am now back in Makati staying right on Burgos Street and last night enjoy a 3-day newly fresh 22 year old that I pulled out of Kojax, wow in beauty and with a heart of gold to boot, its girls like this that you and I need to be careful with falling in love with, that fresh and truly sweet kind and honesty with a body ohhhhhhhhh maybe I will return tonight.

TTM.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the compliment on the post, Tall Man. I am glad to see that you had a good time in AC and that Makati (Burgos St. Which I have been to many times) has also done you well. I really do also enjoy mongering in Latin America, but my favorite destinations are Panama City and Jaco Beach. I tried Medellin once before, and although a nice city, I did not find one great place comparable to Habano's in Panama City that had the sheer volume of hot Colombian girls in 1 locale. I just visited Panama and Jaco Beach, Costa Rica not too long ago and if you like hot Latin Women these 2 places rock. Jaco Beach has the bar at the Hotel Cocal which is really ground zero for mongering there but Habanos in Panama City is really a shit show. I cannot think of any single venue in any city I have mongered with the quality level of women, bar none. I am certainly going to give Medellin another shot soon. Don't give up on Asia yet and go again, it does grow on you, like it did for me. Happy Hunting.

Angeles City Trip report June 19th to 21st.

Preface Having returned last evening to Makati I now compose this report sitting here at Cafe Cubana on Burgos Street since the details of my trip to AC are fresh in my mind. I want to thank you members who answered my questions and sent me private messages so I express my gratitude to you. After hearing stories and experiences for literally many decades about AC I was glad to finally experience it albeit a shadow of its former infamous glory, so I have been told.

Transportation, A friend of mine set up his taxi driver guy and I paid 3,000 pesos each way and he slept in his taxi cab and I gifted him some beer and bar hoping in addition to this cost. Took 2. 5 hours getting there and 3 plus hour on the return just because of traffic. In the end I gained a trusted friend and would travel and use him again. He gave me many stories about all kinds of experiences during his 30 plus years driving a taxi driver in and around Manila and Angeles City.

Hotel, I stayed at Score Birds for 2 nights 3 days with no reservation. I paid as I recall 2,900 pesos night. The BAD (as other have reported) is the early morning 3 AM pounding music noise coming from next door is bothersome so if you're the type of person that needs silence to sleep this may not be the place for you. The ONLY other bad is the lack of hot water and water pressure in the shower.

Aside from these two negatives everything else is GREAT including the easy in and out for your girl guest, the pool and pool side bar, the exceptional friendly attitudes of all the hotel staff, room air conditioning, strong wifi, the food served 24/7, the beautiful rooms with great furnishings and lighting and the location is superb as your in the heart of the place to be. All is nothing short of perfect. Yes I will stay here again should I ever return to AC.

Just a general comment about the Filipinos is for the most part they speak English so it is refreshing to have conversations with the girls unlike my many mongering travels through all of Central and South America where my rudimentary Spanish leaves much to the liking. I appreciate this ability to be able to communicate with the girls as this makes it much more enjoyable as a trip in itself.

Bars, I visited about 15 of them in total including Atlantis, Viking, Crystal, Doll House, Lolipops to name just a few. Even if I saw nothing interesting upon my entry I still ordered a beer and sat for 20 minutes and observed. I did notice that in about half of the bars there was almost ZERO interest in the girls interacting with the customers in any meaningful way, boredom perhaps, maybe I am used to the bars in Tijuana Mexico where they actively want to connect with you by way of a nice smile and twinkling of the eyes or such but here nothing but plain bored faces.

As I am a one and done type of guy I bar fined a girl each of the two nights and the both of them from Atlantis. My experience was Atlantis had the prettiest and sweetest girls. I enjoyed sitting at the second floor balcony and looking at the pretty girls dancing and parading around, really the atmosphere is a lot of fun. Both nights I ended up, after checking other bars for a few hours, back at Atlantis and sat with my girls for hours on the balcony seat and danced and drank and truly enjoyed myself.

As I recall the bar fine in AC is about 3,000 pesos and I ended giving the girls about 2,500 pesos. None of them ask for any money but I assured them that I will tip according to their service and was not let down. Both were very sweet and fresh and the one was inexperienced as she was 20 with little experience (arrived one month before) and shown it throughout the night and extending into our hotel room. What a true sweet heart who BTW on her first day at the club a month ago, after going with a cheap ass Korean guy who after boom-boom left her without paying her a dime. Other bar girls both in AC and Makati have only shit to say about Korean guys and will not go with them. I hate mother-fuc**rs whatever the race treating these women like dirt. They are for the most part working to put food on the table and care for their kids and eking out an existence. Please treat them nice. I will never understand this but for you cheap ass Koreans I see your getting a well-deserved stigma in the PI.

On another topic, one of my concerns when I was planning this trip was the size of my package relative to the petite girls. Yes it is a real issue. As some of you members suggested I was sure to tell the girls while in the bar that I am larger than normal and a few out right but politely told me sorry but my pussy is very small, much respect for these girls being forthright.

In Makati, even despite my best efforts with foreplay and finger stretching with ample amounts of lubrication, with two girls that I bar-fined insertion was impossible, I would have literally torn them up, no shit and I treat every woman with respect and dignity so we found other methods. One of these girls that was too small I pulled out of Plan B and she is so sweet and such a delight to be with that I may bar fine her again. Go figure.

Had a great visit to AC and so glad I took the extra effort to visit and experience it. Again thanks to all you members who answered my questions and provided direction and suggestions which made my trip a good one. I recommend that anyone visiting the PI to visit AC and experience it yourself.

As I now conclude this post sitting here at Cafe Cubana, with the sun setting and the street walkers coming out parading back and forth Cafe Cubana, with many of the seats taken and girls negotiating with guys at the 3 tables directly around me, well I wonder where I will end up tonight as last night I bar fined a real sweet heart out of Kojax.

Be safe all.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2051061]
As I recall the bar fine in AC is about 3,000 pesos and I ended giving the girls about 2,500 pesos. None of them ask for any money but I assured them that I will tip according to their service and was not let down. Both were very sweet and fresh and the one was inexperienced as she was 20 with little experience (arrived one month before) and shown it throughout the night and extending into our hotel room. What a true sweet heart who BTW on her first day at the club a month ago, after going with a cheap ass Korean guy who after boom-boom left her without paying her a dime. Other bar girls both in AC and Makati have only shit to say about Korean guys and will not go with them. I hate mother-fuc**rs whatever the race treating these women like dirt. They are for the most part working to put food on the table and care for their kids and eking out an existence. Please treat them nice. I will never understand this but for you cheap ass Koreans I see your getting a well-deserved stigma in the PI.[/QUOTE]It has been 5-6 years since my last trip to AC, but at that time the system was that the barfine also covered the girls service. So it was different from the system in Thailand. Has this system now changed since you paid both barfine and cash to the girl? This might explain the behavior of the Koreans. Back then a tip for the girls was expected to be 2-300 peso maybe. Anyway, systems change over time so maybe some of the experienced members of this forum can update us?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2051061]Transportation, A friend of mine set up his taxi driver guy and I paid 3,000 pesos each way[/QUOTE]Why is it that everytime someone has a friend that knows a taxi driver, the trip to and from AC costs more? My main wingman deals with a chick from AC and she said her father is a taxi driver. They totally tried to rip him off but he was smart enough to take a normal taxi. At the end of last month I reported paying 2200 from Manila to AC on a rainy Friday night, which means hella traffic.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2051061]What a true sweet heart who BTW on her first day at the club a month ago, after going with a cheap ass Korean guy who after boom-boom left her without paying her a dime. Other bar girls both in AC and Makati have only shit to say about Korean guys and will not go with them. I hate mother-fuc**rs whatever the race treating these women like dirt. I will never understand this but for you cheap ass Koreans I see your getting a well-deserved stigma in the PI.[/QUOTE]Something is definitely rotten in Denmark. You see posts here and witness when boots are on the ground all the time about Koreans paying chicks an exorbitant amount of money (and many times not even fucking them - just barhopping with them), throwing money in the clubs, buying bottles in the clubs, and many guys pissed because some of the best chicks only go with Koreans. Now you are reporting that the girls told you that Koreans are cheap and treat them shitty? Someone somewhere along the information pipeline must be full of shit. An old saying goes, how can you tell when a Filipina is lying?

There is no way the girl did not get paid because in AC her payment is included in the barfine. So you essentially paid double, which kind of defeats the purpose of why most guys go to AC. If they were going to pay $110 for some ass where the average salary for a month is somewhere around that same neighborhood, I doubt they would be going; least of all I am sure that I would not. I think that is Manila Air Force One prices.

Hello guys,

I have been planning on visiting Angeles for quit a time and finally I am going. This wilL be my first in the Philippines so I am wondering guys how long should I stay 2 weeks at least?

For me this vacation is just about relaxing and having some fun, ill be staying in the walking field hotel if you guys have any experience with this hotel please throw it this way hhaha.

Yes. I agree, something here is fishy. From my experience, generally, the stigma is Americans are cheap, big and like to fuck for hours. Where as Koreans spend ridiculous money, like to drink instead of fuck, when they do want to screw, they're small and only go for 3 minutes. Hence the 3 x3 x3 moniker. One additional note, I have heard that Koreans have a reputation for getting violent when drunk.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2051113]Why is it that everytime someone has a friend that knows a taxi driver, the trip to and from AC costs more? My main wingman deals with a chick from AC and she said her father is a taxi driver. They totally tried to rip him off but he was smart enough to take a normal taxi. At the end of last month I reported paying 2200 from Manila to AC on a rainy Friday night, which means hella traffic.

Something is definitely rotten in Denmark. You see posts here and witness when boots are on the ground all the time about Koreans paying chicks an exorbitant amount of money (and many times not even fucking them - just barhopping with them), throwing money in the clubs, buying bottles in the clubs, and many guys pissed because some of the best chicks only go with Koreans. Now you are reporting that the girls told you that Koreans are cheap and treat them shitty? Someone somewhere along the information pipeline must be full of shit. An old saying goes, how can you tell when a Filipina is lying?

There is no way the girl did not get paid because in AC her payment is included in the barfine. So you essentially paid double, which kind of defeats the purpose of why most guys go to AC. If they were going to pay $110 for some ass where the average salary for a month is somewhere around that same neighborhood, I doubt they would be going; least of all I am sure that I would not. I think that is Manila Air Force One prices.[/QUOTE]

I have heard from a few girls before that some K are cheap, especially when they are alone and not in front of their friends. Others have told me some are very mean and rude.

Hard to broad brush any group one way or the other.

BTW, last month I posted that some clubs are having you pay the barfine directly to the girl now. So not all bar fines are paid to the club before you leave.

I thought Mr. E by earlier posts, have stated that he never pays the BF up front? So it is possible to rip a girl off.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2051285]I thought Mr. E by earlier posts, have stated that he never pays the BF up front? So it is possible to rip a girl off.[/QUOTE]That is correct. I do not pay before. But judging from how many guys get up in arms when I even mention such, how many other people do you think would even try my method? It seems that most will only go along to get along, not trying rock the boat or deviate from the traditional way.

This is a message from the Det 5 chick that I reported on, and I doubt that I even gave her extra money beside whatever the barfine was:

6/19,8:28 PM Her: you know I like you.
6/19,8:28 PM Her: And I am always here for you.
6/19,8:28 PM Me: I do not know that.
6/19,8:29 PM Her: don't hesitate to message me. Ok.
6/19,8:30 PM Her: Because you didn't ask me.
6/19,8:30 PM Her: But yeah I do.

P. S. I have heard the story of a Korean guy leaving a girl under the mattress. So I am sure there are all kinds, but in general what is the rap about the Koreans guys? So for all these chicks that one monger meets to have something bad to say about Koreans sounds a bit off is all I am saying. Or is that what you meant when you said hard to broad brush?

Again thanks to all that have sent me private messages on my trip report and those also that have commented below.

I unknowingly made a few rookie mistakes especially so with over tipping (paying the bar fine and then tipping the girl). The saving grace is that I bar fined only 2 girls, both from Atlantis, so yes the opportunity to spoil 2 girls is there. Live and learn.

Thanks again all!

And side note, you see that the peso to dollar exchange is north of 50!

TTM.

I think you mean Field's Walking Street Hotel, which used to be Emerigo Hotel, which used to be Blue Nile Hotel (did I get that right? I've never stayed there but the web page looks like it's recently refurbished and has mirrors next to the bed. I really like to have mirrors next to the bed so that I can comb my hair first thing in the morning.

Two weeks seems a bit long for me, but other guys do it. If you get bored you could take one of the busses services to Subic Bay (Southern Cross and Fly the bus). You could also take a flight to Cebu for a change of pace.

Enjoy the mirrors. X Man.

[QUOTE=AnewTravler;2051134]Hello guys,

I have been planning on visiting Angeles for quit a time and finally I am going. This wilL be my first in the Philippines so I am wondering guys how long should I stay 2 weeks at least?

For me this vacation is just about relaxing and having some fun, ill be staying in the walking field hotel if you guys have any experience with this hotel please throw it this way hhaha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2051388]Again thanks to all that have sent me private messages on my trip report and those also that have commented below.

I unknowingly made a few rookie mistakes especially so with over tipping (paying the bar fine and then tipping the girl). The saving grace is that I bar fined only 2 girls, both from Atlantis, so yes the opportunity to spoil 2 girls is there. Live and learn.

Thanks again all!

And side note, you see that the peso to dollar exchange is north of 50!

TTM.[/QUOTE]Like several others, I've enjoyed yours posts, and look forward to additional contributions. I don't think that tipping the girls is a "rookie mistake," or any sort of mistake at all. In fact, though others will argue that the bar fine includes all services, tipping is an expression of appreciation for good service and above all, is (in my opinion) the gracious thing to do. I've heard many girls in Angeles refer to Koreans as "kuripot," and what they meant by this is that the Korean guests tipped them only trike fare, when their expectation was probably much higher.

Guys here will never agree on tipping policy, and my intent is not to add fuel to the fire, but I think a decent tip should be pro forma. I have some friends who routinely tip Php3,000 for an overnight stay, others who tip Php1,500-2000, and none who tip less than Php1,000. I fall somewhere in the Php2-3,000 range depending on chemistry, performance and attitude. But for me, at my advanced age, the quality of the company is as important as the sex act, and if we have fun and some laughs, it's all good.

GE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2051298]So for all these chicks that one monger meets to have something bad to say about Koreans sounds a bit off is all I am saying. Or is that what you meant when you said hard to broad brush?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't read too much into what girls say about different races. They tell you what they think you want to hear. I can only imagine the stories they tell their Korean and Japanese customers about Aussies, Americans and Brits. The "3/3/3" gets passed around from girl, to guy, to girl, because it is funny and makes people laugh, not necessarily because it is true.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2051517]I wouldn't read too much into what girls say about different races. They tell you what they think you want to hear. I can only imagine the stories they tell their Korean and Japanese customers about Aussies, Americans and Brits. The "3/3/3" gets passed around from girl, to guy, to girl, because it is funny and makes people laugh, not necessarily because it is true.[/QUOTE]Koreans are the biggest customers in AC.

They also own many restaurants and bars and most of Philippines girls like Korean foods, cultures and customers.

As usual, there are also some minors who don't like Koreans, but it is not major so do not take some Philippines' bad saying about Koreans is the overall impression of them.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2051277]Yes. I agree, something here is fishy. From my experience, generally, the stigma is Americans are cheap, big and like to fuck for hours. Where as Koreans spend ridiculous money, like to drink instead of fuck, when they do want to screw, they're small and only go for 3 minutes. Hence the 3 x3 x3 moniker. One additional note, I have heard that Koreans have a reputation for getting violent when drunk.[/QUOTE]Koreans and Americans monger in different ways. I have noticed a trend in the Koreans that people seem to be over looking. Lots of Koreans are catalog shopping there girls. MOST Of the 7 Bars near the Clarkton Hotel including ROADIES and After School and the former LIA now called something else. Have profiles of there girls to choose from for the KOREAN so they never have to leave there hotel grounds. The girls are picked and a van picks them up take them to there customers at there respective Hotels. Anonymity at its finest because a Lot of these Korean business men have a wife and reputation back home that don; t need to know what they are up too. I know has a White foreigner I get a vibe walking in these places like I am not wanted. Its like I have leprosy sometimes. Sure have a drink Even buy a girl a drink sit with her and talk But you can; t take out the girls they are for Koreans only and usually already reserved.

Unless, one is talking about freelancers, 2000 to 3000 pesos tip on top of 3000 pesos barfine, seems a little a little bit over the top. Not everyone has strong US dollars in their pockets. These are first world prices, and make my trips to the Caribbean a real bargain. Also, the girl I spend most of my time with during my last visit said she did not like Koreans because they fucked too much. This is contrary to the notion of lame Asian lovers. I personally, don't believe in most of the things these girls have to say.

It's your money. Tip as you like. I pay and tip as I like with my money. My rule is, unless you helped me make my money then don't tell me how to spend it!

For some of you, the supply side does not revolve around you, get over it. Markets change. Yes the American Vietnam GI may have created AC fifty some years ago. They are gone now, there are new customers, clients and markets.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2051730]Koreans and Americans monger in different ways. I have noticed a trend in the Koreans that people seem to be overlooking. Lots of Koreans are catalog shopping there girls. MOST Of the 7 Bars near the Clarkton Hotel including ROADIES and After School and the former LIA now called something else. Have profiles of there girls to choose from for the KOREAN so they never have to leave there hotel grounds. The girls are picked and a van picks them up take them to there customers at there respective Hotels. Anonymity at its finest because a Lot of these Korean business men have a wife and reputation back home that don; t need to know what they are up too. I know has a White foreigner I get a vibe walking in these places like I am not wanted. Its like I have leprosy sometimes. Sure have a drink Even buy a girl a drink sit with her and talk But you can; t take out the girls they are for Koreans only and usually already reserved.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2051277]Yes. I agree, something here is fishy. From my experience, generally, the stigma is Americans are cheap, big and like to fuck for hours. Whereas Koreans spend ridiculous money, like to drink instead of fuck, when they do want to screw, they're small and only go for 3 minutes. Hence the 3 x3 x3 moniker. One additional note, I have heard that Koreans have a reputation for getting violent when drunk.[/QUOTE]The myth of the spendthrift Korean throwing money at the girls is an object lesson in how rumors start and then perpetuate as the truth. Fact: South Korea has the 11th largest gross democratic product of any nation on earth; not too shabby for a country that 75 years ago was an imperial colony of Japan. But recall that the Canadians, the Brits, and the Frogs are all higher on the GDP list than the Koreans. They got more money to throw around than the Koreans. How it got started that the Koreans are rich and generous probably began when ISGer's mistakenly linked the Koreans to their detested neighbors the Japanese who were booming in the 1980's but not so much anymore.

Further, Koreans have the same basic human genome below their belt as you or I so regardless whatever the length of their dicks might be, I got to believe that they fuck like jack rabbits; just like you or I.

Then, too, I wouldn't lend too much credence to what a Filipina tells you about Koreans. She tells you what you think you want to hear or she might be a Korean reject who is expressing her sour grapes.

Another point about Koreans is that they socialize differently from the way that we do. The girlie bar in AC was inspired by the GI's who were the first western mongerers in the PI. It reflects the way that American men socialized and encountered women. It is a takeoff on the Friday night pickup joint where drunkenness and brawling are commonplace. In contrast, Koreans and their despised cousins the Japanese are uncomfortable with all that posturing and competition. So they buy their own girlie bars and play by a different set of rules. I believe that Korean men do not want the girls that they fuck to be shared with Westerners. They actively discourage it. Nay, they forbid it.

It happens much the same way in Japan and in Korea where with very few exceptions, shagging opportunities are denied to Westerners.

Interesting conversation. I can so with certainty that in Pattaya, some girls seem to be reserved for Asian only customers. These will typically be white skinned and tall. Is it the same in the Philippines ? In Pattaya you can still get good girls, just not usually the best one's.

I would have thought the girls would be more concerned with money than with being treated well. If a Korean treats her like shit, she may think, so what if she still gets paid ? It is not like any mongers are treating these girls nicely anyway.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2051764]The myth of the spendthrift Korean throwing money at the girls is an object lesson in how rumors start and then perpetuate as the truth. Fact: South Korea has the 11th largest gross democratic product of any nation on earth; not too shabby for a country that 75 years ago was an imperial colony of Japan. But recall that the Canadians, the Brits, and the Frogs are all higher on the GDP list than the Koreans. They got more money to throw around than the Koreans. How it got started that the Koreans are rich and generous probably began when ISGer's mistakenly linked the Koreans to their detested neighbors the Japanese who were booming in the 1980's but not so much anymore.

Further, Koreans have the same basic human genome below their belt as you or I so regardless whatever the length of their dicks might be, I got to believe that they fuck like jack rabbits; just like you or I.

Then, too, I wouldn't lend too much credence to what a Filipina tells you about Koreans. She tells you what you think you want to hear or she might be a Korean reject who is expressing her sour grapes.

Another point about Koreans is that they socialize differently from the way that we do. The girlie bar in AC was inspired by the GI's who were the first western mongerers in the PI. It reflects the way that American men socialized and encountered women. It is a takeoff on the Friday night pickup joint where drunkenness and brawling are commonplace. In contrast, Koreans and their despised cousins the Japanese are uncomfortable with all that posturing and competition. So they buy their own girlie bars and play by a different set of rules. I believe that Korean men do not want the girls that they fuck to be shared with Westerners. They actively discourage it. Nay, they forbid it.

It happens much the same way in Japan and in Korea where with very few exceptions, shagging opportunities are denied to Westerners.[/QUOTE]GDP stands for "Gross Domestic Product" ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product[/URL]) not "Gross Democratic Product. " That would be like. How well the government actually pays attention to the people. In which case the USA Has absolute GDP.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2050939]Hi Mr. MG.

I regularly monger in Angeles and Pattaya and go to both places twice a year. The area in Angeles called on Fields Avenue is only about 300 meters long and this is where the best gogo bars are located in addition to the infamous High Society Disco. It also is called Walking Street, and Pattaya has its own Walking Street also. You then have many bars and smaller gogos sporadically spread out from Atlantis go go bar (end of Walking Street) continuing on Fields Ave a bit more, and Fields becomes 21st street, then Don Juico Ave. For about 1. 5 km. There are also some side streets off of 21st Street and Fields Ave. (outside of Walking Street), which have small bars, a few massage places, etc. but, it is best not to wander into these side streets on your own at night just for safety precaution.

Pattaya has a huge Walking Street filled with many gogos, bars, discos etc. and you have many Sois, Alleys (small streets), Roads, going from North Pattaya continuing into Central Pattaya (largest or prime area of establishments) , then into South Pattaya. There are many long streets that go East to West such as Beach Road, Pattayasaisong Rd, Soi Buakhao, Pattaya 3rd road. All in all Pattaya City is about 4-5 km North to South and 2. 5 km east to west from Beach Road to the filled with massage places, bars, gogos, etc. So there are literally thousands of venues whereas AC is the short Walking Street area of a few hundred meters and then the outer area of Angeles which is primarily an extension of Fields Ave. I would say that in terms of geographic size, yes Pattaya is probably more like 25 times larger than Angeles.

As far as working girls, Pattaya is estimated to have close to 30 k-40 k working girls, massage girls, etc. Whereas AC probably will have 3-5 k working at any given idea (this is my best estimate as there are no real numbers documented).

The majority of women in the gogos, bars, establishments, street freelancers in Angeles City that we meet are mainly between early 20's to later 20's. In Pattaya, there are actually more older women working in the massage places, discos, and smaller type bars than you see in AC, but the majority are still in their 20s. In other words, age is not a concern in either cities are there are plenty of younger women to choose from in both places.

As far as my favorite out of the two, no comparison that the girls in AC give better service, are more GFE, and have better attitudes. The Thai women are just more business like, colder, and there are far more mongers in Pattaya for me to compete with there. In AC the ratio of girls to mongers in always heavily lopsided in my favor also. Lastly, prices for AC are usually almost half of what I pay in Pattaya unless you do Beach Road girls in Pattaya which I won't even consider as you don't know if you are getting a ladyboy or real girl. Pattaya does have better looking girls in the GoGo Bars and has the advantage in the looks category but you will have to pay way more than in AC for these girls. But, Pattaya is just monger Disneyland on steroids due to the sheer mass of venues, working girls, action, etc. So that is why I continue to enjoy both. Do yourself a favor, and do not miss out on either destination, try AC for half your trip and Pattaya for the other half and then decide which destination has the better girls as numbers really don't matter (having plenty of girls in both destinations ). Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this excellent post. Lack of English in Pattaya does ruin it just a little, but I am still on a high from just how attractive some of the girls were, the problem with GoGo bars is that they can be a hassle, not knowing which girls are the property of Asian mongers and which are available to whites. A good rule of thumb for me is that those with olive or brown skin will go with whites. I do have fairly high standards in terms of looks that I want from girls. I'm really only in this for the hot 20 year old girls but I am warming to other experiences such as the personality of the girl and a good GFE.

Pattaya does have a lot of girls, but I think maybe 80% of them are just ugly and I wouldn't pay to fuck them. I had a look at some youtube videos and the bars in AC seemed to a lot quieter than those in Pattaya which is another bonus. I'll probably research this over the next few months and make a decision but I am tending towards AC at the moment. The problem is that my last trip short, so I feel like I have unfinished business in Pattaya. The other issue which I think is useful to point out is that hotels in AC are really expensive compared to Pattaya.

I think they're so similar, I might just do both.

Are the two bars on raymond street near the chapel still open?

[QUOTE=KenjiYoshioka;2051826]GDP stands for "Gross Domestic Product" ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product[/URL]) not "Gross Democratic Product. " That would be like. How well the government actually pays attention to the people. In which case the USA Has absolute GDP.[/QUOTE]Yeah - - the automatic misspell correction feature second guesses the computer user and can create these malapropisms which sometimes are difficult to detect. BTW, I am unclear as to your comments about the USA having absolute Democratic Product.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2051754]It's your money. Tip as you like. I pay and tip as I like with my money. My rule is, unless you helped me make my money then don't tell me how to spend it!

For some of you, the supply side does not revolve around you, get over it. Markets change. Yes the American Vietnam GI may have created AC fifty some years ago. They are gone now, there are new customers, clients and markets.[/QUOTE]Its ironic how on one hand you talk market talk, and on another hand you defy it. Last time I checked there were more girls than customer in AC, so if we follow the demand / supply logic, prices should be in favour of the buyer. Unless for some personal reason you pay twice the market value,(a tip that's equal to barfine? Really?) and raise the expectations of the service providers and ruin it for others. Hey but what do I know. I will not tell you how to spend your money!

[QUOTE=Lee66;2051881]Are the two bars on raymond street near the chapel still open?[/QUOTE]Has of about a HR ago they are. Just walked by and had a look at the talent. Not much there but they do show up from time to time so I always have a look.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;2052080]Its ironic how on one hand you talk market talk, and on another hand you defy it. Last time I checked there were more girls than customer in AC, so if we follow the demand / supply logic, prices should be in favour of the buyer. Unless for some personal reason you pay twice the market value,(a tip that's equal to barfine? Really?) and raise the expectations of the service providers and ruin it for others. Hey but what do I know. I will not tell you how to spend your money![/QUOTE]I don't understand what you say is the irony of it. The market forces is way more than just simple logic. There is not one member or even if all the members acted in concert together would they affect the market. We are not market makers! Look around, presently Koreans are market makers.

Tipping is a personal matter based on personal feelings and experiences along with expectations. I doubt if anyone generously tipping will ruin the market nor do they do it to ruin the market.

Just enjoy it while it is here.

FYI: Marc, owner of Brown Sugar, has Passed away. He was involved in a fatal motorcycle collision at around 3 am this morning in Friendship. The full facts are still very vague. It was posted in Brown sugar's Facebook and a competing forum. Brown Sugar is set to close July 1, due to leasing issue with the landlord.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2052137]I don't understand what you say is the irony of it. The market forces is way more than just simple logic. There is not one member or even if all the members acted in concert together would they affect the market. We are not market makers! Look around, presently Koreans are market makers.

Tipping is a personal matter based on personal feelings and experiences along with expectations. I doubt if anyone generously tipping will ruin the market nor do they do it to ruin the market.

Just enjoy it while it is here.[/QUOTE]Of course you're correct; it makes no difference what a single person, or 200 single people do. The market in Angeles is comprised of thousands of guys a year barfining thousands of women. I know guys who tip thousands of pesos because they can and they want to help the girls. Does this mean that the next time these girls or their friends are barfined they expect a similar tip? I think not. I always tip because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't give a damn what others may do. Logic on this subject doesn't seem to matter much as there will always be a nucleus of guys screaming that those who tip more than a few hundred pesos will "ruin" the market for the rest of the guys.

GE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2052137]I don't understand what you say is the irony of it. The market forces is way more than just simple logic. There is not one member or even if all the members acted in concert together would they affect the market. We are not market makers! Look around, presently Koreans are market makers.

Tipping is a personal matter based on personal feelings and experiences along with expectations. I doubt if anyone generously tipping will ruin the market nor do they do it to ruin the market.

Just enjoy it while it is here.[/QUOTE]I agree the Koreans are running the mongering show here because they are bringing in real money and building things. A new KOREAN type bar has opened near the JEEPNEY terminal near fields and perimeter with the girls all in long evening dresses KTV style. This is a Korean owned place and its going to be catered to there style of mongering. Us westerners (US UK AUS CAN ECT) need to adjust or we will be restricted to just a few hand full bars up on middle part Perimeter Road. This includes the prices for drinks and girls which are set higher then we are normally used too. The old ways of doing things are gone because the old timers who kept them that way all these yrs are very old or Gone from this world.welcome to the new Angeles city.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2052177] This is a Korean owned place and its going to be catered to there style of mongering. Us westerners (US UK AUS CAN ECT) need to adjust or we will be restricted to just a few hand full bars up on middle part Perimeter Road. [/QUOTE]Adjusting will mean being treated like 2nd class customers. After living in Korea for a time I came to understand that Koreans have two standards of service: one for Koreans and a lower one for everyone else. I never patronize a Korean business unless I absolutely have to.

I disagree with your conclusion that we will be forced into a different format for procuring girls. Koreans are a standoffish bunch and do not integrate well with other people. That will always limit their ability to penetrate and influence Filipino society.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2052191]Adjusting will mean being treated like 2nd class customers. After living in Korea for a time I came to understand that Koreans have two standards of service: one for Koreans and a lower one for everyone else. I never patronize a Korean business unless I absolutely have to.

I disagree with your conclusion that we will be forced into a different format for procuring girls. Koreans are a standoffish bunch and do not integrate well with other people. That will always limit their ability to penetrate and influence Filipino society.[/QUOTE]Well, the Japanese had their bars when their economy was booming in the 1980's. Then the Japanese economy crashed in 1991, this began the period of the Lost 20 Years. The bars catering only to Japanese customers took a dive along with the economy, and they are no longer a thing in AC. The Koreans seem to be making the same mistake putting all their eggs in one basket catering solely to their countrymen and discouraging other nationalities.

Scream, how dare you ruin the market for us low income earners GE?

The last time I got some good boinking with an AC girl I had walked out of the bar. Giving only my card. The next three days in AC and another night in Manila were absolutely heaven. I would have paid triple if I'd known the sexual pleasure and GFE that awaited me. Triple is zero, but I did reward her in many ways.

She'd get out of bed and walk to the bathroom in her panties. I was transfixed. She'd always look over her shoulder at the last minute and smile. Seemed to understand the spell she had.

Unfortunately she's not in AC anymore, or so she says. I'll find out soon.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2052175]Of course you're correct; it makes no difference what a single person, or 200 single people do. The market in Angeles is comprised of thousands of guys a year barfining thousands of women. I know guys who tip thousands of pesos because they can and they want to help the girls. Does this mean that the next time these girls or their friends are barfined they expect a similar tip? I think not. I always tip because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't give a damn what others may do. Logic on this subject doesn't seem to matter much as there will always be a nucleus of guys screaming that those who tip more than a few hundred pesos will "ruin" the market for the rest of the guys.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2052191]Adjusting will mean being treated like 2nd class customers. After living in Korea for a time I came to understand that Koreans have two standards of service: one for Koreans and a lower one for everyone else. I never patronize a Korean business unless I absolutely have to.

I disagree with your conclusion that we will be forced into a different format for procuring girls. Koreans are a standoffish bunch and do not integrate well with other people. That will always limit their ability to penetrate and influence Filipino society.[/QUOTE]Its already quite difficult in several areas of town to pull girls if you are not Korean. I agree they don't like others around and do not integrate well. I have had a whole stage of girls pulled off by the Korean manager after all the Koreans had left the bar. This Happened at Roadies. I was left there alone. I have also had Many girls say they can no go out with me cause they are already taken on reserve. I am afraid the old way of doing things in this town is rapidly changing and not for the better. Sure there will still be a few Bars here and there that will hold out for the old timers but they will be less and less over time.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2052274]Its already quite difficult in several areas of town to pull girls if you are not Korean. I agree they don't like others around and do not integrate well. I have had a whole stage of girls pulled off by the Korean manager after all the Koreans had left the bar. This Happened at Roadies. I was left there alone. I have also had Many girls say they can no go out with me cause they are already taken on reserve. I am afraid the old way of doing things in this town is rapidly changing and not for the better. Sure there will still be a few Bars here and there that will hold out for the old timers but they will be less and less over time.[/QUOTE]Streetlooker is right. Koreans have already integrated themselves in Filipino society from Baguio all the way to Davao. I spend a lot of time in Cebu as well and even though culturally they are standoffish, their investment (time and money) has made them more vested and Invested in las pinas more than we think. Korean foreign investment in the Philippines is at an all time high. They may seem standoffish but they are buying the Philippines at record rates.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2052175]Of course you're correct; it makes no difference what a single person, or 200 single people do. The market in Angeles is comprised of thousands of guys a year barfining thousands of women. I know guys who tip thousands of pesos because they can and they want to help the girls. Does this mean that the next time these girls or their friends are barfined they expect a similar tip? I think not. I always tip because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't give a damn what others may do. Logic on this subject doesn't seem to matter much as there will always be a nucleus of guys screaming that those who tip more than a few hundred pesos will "ruin" the market for the rest of the guys.

GE.[/QUOTE]Whether its AC or any other dozen mongering cities in the Philippines, Koreans are ruining it for me. And its not the tipping. Tipping for service is one thing. Walking into a bar and throwing cash in the air is not tipping IMHO, its what's ruining the scene. Lots of Koreans in Phnom Penh now too.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2052175] I know guys who tip thousands of pesos because they can and they want to help the girls. Does this mean that the next time these girls or their friends are barfined they expect a similar tip? I think not. I always tip because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't give a damn what others may do. Logic on this subject doesn't seem to matter. GE.[/QUOTE]You may be in denial. Logic does matter. Wanting to help the girls? If you really felt charitable, just pay her barfine, give her the tip, and tell her to take the night off.

Examine your feelings. Your motivation is not eleemosynary but rather to distinguish yourself so that news of your largesse will aggrandize your reputation thus facilitating your future forays.

So whereas you deny that your tipping will have an overall influence on the market in general, you do hope that it will enhance your standing in the marketplace. But that is the point that some of us are trying to make. Your tipping moves the fulcrum, even if ever so slightly, in favor of the seller. You are contributing to inflationary pricing. Multiply that by many others who are excessive and you have a shift in the market.

Hold the market steady and don't tip. But GE, you will probably have to continue tipping since you have already created an expectation which you can not disappoint. That is the other down side to tipping.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2052361]You may be in denial. Logic does matter. Wanting to help the girls? If you really felt charitable, just pay her barfine, give her the tip, and tell her to take the night off.[/QUOTE]That is what I say. If it was all about helping then you would give them money without fucking them. But when you give it makes YOU feel warm and fuzzy inside. It has nothing to do with genuinely wanting to help someone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2052422]That is what I say. If it was all about helping then you would give them money without fucking them. But when you give it makes YOU feel warm and fuzzy inside. It has nothing to do with genuinely wanting to help someone.[/QUOTE]If a guy gets warm and fuzzy pleasure from giving money unnecessarily, is that somehow wrong if he also gets warm and fuzzy pleasure from sex with the same person? I think very, very few people think "who is the one person in the world most in need of this dollar / euro / ruble / rupee / yen that I can give?" Almost all who give chose their recipients with subjectivity and the arbitrariness of proximity or familiarity. Assuming he didn't steal the money, how he spends it is his business whether it makes any sense to anybody or not.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2052361]If you really felt charitable, just pay her barfine, give her the tip, and tell her to take the night off.[/QUOTE]I've done this in Burgos, Makati. It doesn't make me any more charitable than if I bonked her coworker or her beforehand. Interestingly, she eventually became mistress / employee of an Egyptian guy with a freight forwarding business in Metro Manila. When I visited Makati several months later, she simply insisted on meeting me and providing unrequested enthusiastic but surprisingly low skilled freebie at the Isabella Royale. I should check up on her, see how she's doing.

[QUOTE=Sockboy50;2052342]Streetlooker is right. Koreans have already integrated themselves in Filipino society from Baguio all the way to Davao. I spend a lot of time in Cebu as well and even though culturally they are standoffish, their investment (time and money) has made them more vested and Invested in las pinas more than we think. Korean foreign investment in the Philippines is at an all time high. They may seem standoffish but they are buying the Philippines at record rates.[/QUOTE]They are building things here. Whole sections of towns reconstructed into little Korea towns. While the westerners are only bring in tourist dollars and not much else. Koreans will take over in 5-10 yrs everything will be to there way of doing things and we westerners need to adjust our mongering techniques, Bring in real money and start investing to counter what the Koreans are doing or go home. Thats my take on it.

[QUOTE=Sockboy50;2052346]Whether its AC or any other dozen mongering cities in the Philippines, Koreans are ruining it for me. And its not the tipping. Tipping for service is one thing. Walking into a bar and throwing cash in the air is not tipping IMHO, its what's ruining the scene. Lots of Koreans in Phnom Penh now too.[/QUOTE]Yeah. This act of going into a bar and just tossing money in the air is totally asinine.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2052542]Yeah. This act of going into a bar and just tossing money in the air is totally asinine.[/QUOTE]So prevalent in strip clubs in the US. Don't get it!

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2052538]They are building things here. Whole sections of towns reconstructed into little Korea towns. While the westerners are only bring in tourist dollars and not much else. Koreans will take over in 5-10 yrs everything will be to there way of doing things and we westerners need to adjust our mongering techniques, Bring in real money and start investing to counter what the Koreans are doing or go home. Thats my take on it.[/QUOTE]This is the most sensible post I've read on the "Korean" subject. The fact is that the Philippines attracts far fewer Western tourists than many other ASEAN countries, and ranks dead last among major ASEAN countries, aside from Brunei, for direct foreign investment, due both to corruption and onerous investment rules that protect the oligarchs. Koreans have not only begun to invest heavily, but the Korean Government has begun to provide massive foreign assistance for infrastructure thus filling an enormous void in the country's development plans. Western countries had opportunities to do the same and declined to do so. So it's not surprising, given the financial commitment of individual Korean investors and the Government of Korea that the country would begin to accommodate them. That's the reality, and whether or not we like it, or can find the means to adapt to it is largely irrelevant. It's a trend that will continue, together with an increased number of Chinese tourists who will come for much the same reason. I would guess–though with no substantiation–that with the massive aid beginning to pour into the Philippines from both the Chinese and Korean Governments–individual companies and investors have found ways to bend the rules, much the same way American food companies did during the 19th and early 20th centuries.

As with others on this board, I too have watched as groups of Koreans have "made it rain" in various bars in Angeles. I assume they do this because it's fun for them; because it doesn't cost them much to indulge in the fun, and because it generally makes them feel good. It seems inane to me, but it's their money, their idea of a good time, and has no real impact on me, so I don't really care.

I think I posted about the fact that the last time I was at the ABC, 4 Korean guys rented a cabana and had approximately 27 girls inside and out, drinking, swimming, shrieking with laughter, and generally having a good time. Their Korean hosts primarily drank heavily and took lots of pictures. Fun for them, lucrative for the girls, and harmed no one. Again, it wouldn't be my idea of the ideal way to spend several hundred dollars on an afternoon, but it had zero impact on me, so I didn't care.

The bottom line for me is that I know very little about Korean culture but I assume it differs drastically in some respects from my own. So long as those differences don't affect me negatively I don't much care.

GE.

Actually, Westerners have brought in more than just tourist dollars in the past. Many of those who brought in real money to invest in businesses and build things ended up dead or imprisoned. The lucky ones ended up penniless and deported. The Philippine laws on foreign investment and ownership are very unfavorable towards foreigners and provides an incentive for corrupt Filipinos to defraud them. The Philippine government itself is not exactly a good example in its dealings with foreign investors. Westerners have good reason to be wary of investing in anything in the Philippines without legal reforms to provide strong protection for their investment and efficient judicial processes free of corruption.

The puss going for 3 K in AC goes for 300 pesos in the provinces. There is really no reason to cling to AC. If the Koreans want to put the money into businesses and real estate with all of the risks involved, then let them. Maybe they can succeed where many others failed. The Filipino police has already targeted Korean businessmen for extortion and murder in AC, and they have also been victims of other criminal elements. They are going to have a hard time turning a profit with all of the bribes that must be paid to the authorities.

The entire Philippines might end up under martial law with ISIS making a strong showing in Mindanao allowing the NPA and other insurgent groups to become resurgent in other parts of the country. If that happens, it could put a real damper on nightlife.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;2052361]You may be in denial. Logic does matter.

Examine your feelings. Your motivation is not eleemosynary but rather to distinguish yourself so that news of your largesse will aggrandize your reputation thus facilitating your future forays.

So whereas you deny that your tipping will have an overall influence on the market in general, you do hope that it will enhance your standing in the marketplace.

Hold the market steady and don't tip. But GE, you will probably have to continue tipping since you have already created an expectation which you can not disappoint. That is the other down side to tipping.[/QUOTE]Don't really need psychotherapy for that part of my life thanks, since it's neither a source of turmoil nor conflict for me. I'm not in denial; I'm doing what feels good and appropriate. Since it makes me feel good, is of direct benefit to the girl, and causes no one else any harm, there's no issue. This requires neither further analysis nor further discussion.

I've created no "expectation" since I rarely repeat with anyone, and I doubt that the word has been spread among the huge population of ladies in Angeles. Creating expectations implies foreknowledge, for which there would be no basis.

My take is that everyone here will do what he wants to do without having to justify his actions to anyone else.

Peace,

GE.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2052643]

The puss going for 3 K in AC goes for 300 pesos in the provinces. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the wake up call, CM. Paid 500 for last province romp. No wonder she was so happy. And now messages me to come back soon.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2049168]The next afternoon, my plan is to enjoy the Perimeter bars. My plan is always the same: Perimeter in the afternoon and Fields in the evening. As I leave Score Birds and approach close to where I picked up the girls last night, a voice shouts at me "Hey! You! I saw you last night!

I look over and it's a couple of girls / ladyboys in the spa. I think it's best to ignore them but my curiosity is piqued and decide to walk over and play coy. They are eating some delicious mangos and offer me a piece. What did you see? What are you talking about? And they proceeded to recount their view point of what happened when I picked up Sarah and Christine and my negotiating. I didn't realize I had asked for so many things from the two girls. Then they wanted to know what happened afterwards, what we did and how long they stayed. None of your business is what happened. These two hairstylists were a lot of fun to talk to. No customers in the spa so they were bored..[/QUOTE]Really enjoyed reading your posts, your exchange with the ladyboys in the above quote made me smile, one of the reasons along with your reports on ladies that I am now considering AC / Manila over Thailand / Pattaya! Pattaya I have done quite a few time a good few years ago, and visiting in December (along with other places around Thailand)!

I know this is a hard question to answer, but leaving mongering out of the equation, what sort of costs are involved in eating and general costs while there. For instance for a week in AC? I might fit a trip in say in September this year prior to Thailand.

GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?

Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.

And if not you the same cannot be said for those who unwittingly walk into one of those bars and foolishly buys drinks for girls whom he has no hope of barfining, if they even sit with him at all.

Just saying.

Southeaster.

[QUOTE=PedroEscobar;2052836]leaving mongering out of the equation, what sort of costs are involved in eating and general costs while there.[/QUOTE]Nobody can tell you that. Are you staying at ABC or renting a room down McArthur? Are you buying a half chicken off the street or are you eating at Phillies?

I'd guess $75 - $100 per day not counting outliers and gluttons. Another $50 - 100 for mongering YMMV.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2052860]Nobody can tell you that. Are you staying at ABC or renting a room down McArthur? Are you buying a half chicken off the street or are you eating at Phillies?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2052860]Nobody can tell you that. Are you staying at ABC or renting a room down McArthur? Are you buying a half chicken off the street or are you eating at Phillies?[/QUOTE]As I said "I know this is a hard question to answer" and understand the dilemma, so if I said middle of the road on all aspects? Just trying to get a feel for the place (hotels I can price off the internet) and also I appreciate any info!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2052643]Actually, Westerners have brought in more than just tourist dollars in the past. Many of those who brought in real money to invest in businesses and build things ended up dead or imprisoned. The lucky ones ended up penniless and deported. The Philippine laws on foreign investment and ownership are very unfavorable towards foreigners and provides an incentive for corrupt Filipinos to defraud them. The Philippine government itself is not exactly a good example in its dealings with foreign investors. Westerners have good reason to be wary of investing in anything in the Philippines without legal reforms to provide strong protection for their investment and efficient judicial processes free of corruption.

The puss going for 3 K in AC goes for 300 pesos in the provinces. There is really no reason to cling to AC. If the Koreans want to put the money into businesses and real estate with all of the risks involved, then let them. Maybe they can succeed where many others failed. The Filipino police has already targeted Korean businessmen for extortion and murder in AC, and they have also been victims of other criminal elements. They are going to have a hard time turning a profit with all of the bribes that must be paid to the authorities.

The entire Philippines might end up under martial law with ISIS making a strong showing in Mindanao allowing the NPA and other insurgent groups to become resurgent in other parts of the country. If that happens, it could put a real damper on nightlife.[/QUOTE]A little ray of sunshine! Thanks for the more positive outlook than the usual negative ones.

Now in America 4 out of 5 businesses will fail in the first 5 years, possibly more like 9 out of 10 will fail. Any different in Philippines? I am wondering where the graveyard is located for all the foreigner business owners?

Puss is always cheaper in bum fxck, Egypt anywhere in the world. For value minded try southern Sudan. Just add in cost of time and transportation.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2052860]Nobody can tell you that. Are you staying at ABC or renting a room down McArthur? Are you buying a half chicken off the street or are you eating at Phillies?[/QUOTE]Assuming he maintains the same class of hotels and restaurants as he does in Thailand, I would say the costs are equal or possibly 10% less.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2052894]

Puss is always cheaper in bum fxck, Egypt anywhere in the world. For value minded try southern Sudan. Just add in cost of time and transportation.[/QUOTE]I think the OP was simply pointing out if you get out of red light districts that are not marketed entirely towards foreigners, you get better prices. And he had a point.

If you can take a two-hour bus ride from Manila to AC, shouldn't you be able to swing a two-hour bus ride to someplace else in the PI? For adventurous mongers, the question will always be where, not what other nationalities are punting there or if they have a convenient Hooters location.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2052858]GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?.[/QUOTE]Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.

Just a thanks to all those that made my first trip to the PI, both Makati / Burgous Street & AC, a very memorable one.

Now back in LOS Angeles and already thinking of how and when to plan my next trip.

Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2053164]Just a thanks to all those that made my first trip to the PI, both Makati / Burgous Street & AC, a very memorable one.

Now back in LOS Angeles and already thinking of how and when to plan my next trip.

Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.

TTM.[/QUOTE]I feel for you TTman. Withdrawal pain from AC is tough. I will be there in July.

It seems that most mongers are unaware that Fields Avenue and Perimeter Rd are just small parts of the Angeles City sex industry. Area 51, or simply Area to locals, once had over 1,000 brothels in Barangay Sta. Teresita. Area is located approximately 4 kilometers from Fields Ave and serviced poor Filipino men who came by the truckloads from as far north as Tarlac and as far south as Macabebe and Apalit. Filipino fathers and uncles brought their sons and nephews to Area to lose their virginity for P200 or 4 cans of sardines. Foreigners did not venture into Area 51 to make it rain pesos or pay double the rates because the NPA housed insurgents and communist activists there.

Today, Area is in decline with less than 10 brothels remaining. One of Area's former barangay captains attributed the decline to competition from Fields Ave. Ironically, Fields has also seen better days as bars have taken a hit from disruptive technologies like affordable smartphones, cheap internet access, and social networking apps. More girls are working the disco scene. Angeles City has entered the Age of the Freelancer.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2053164]
Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.

TTM.[/QUOTE]This certainly always happens and tapers off. It's just a part of the AC offering to help ease your pain.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2053161]Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.[/QUOTE]To me, they seem quite excited. Much more interesting than making eye contact with white punters, at least.

Also, I've often seen quite large stacks of 20's being used, with some girls raking in much more than one or two bills.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2052894]A little ray of sunshine! Thanks for the more positive outlook than the usual negative ones.

Now in America 4 out of 5 businesses will fail in the first 5 years, possibly more like 9 out of 10 will fail. Any different in Philippines? I am wondering where the graveyard is located for all the foreigner business owners?

Puss is always cheaper in bum fxck, Egypt anywhere in the world. For value minded try southern Sudan. Just add in cost of time and transportation.[/QUOTE]The accepted business calculation is the usual 80:20 rule (80 new businesses do not make a profit or fail: 20 make a profit). In Philippines, one must additionally include corruption etc. , that brings the ratio to about 95:5. Yes, the law in Philippines is geared against Foreigners. Foreigners are not allowed to directly own retail outlets, houses or land. The legal system is very weak and slow. For an impartial view, without the usual ignorant emotional arguments, check the World Bank survey on "Ease of Doing Business". Malaysia and Thailand have far better World bank ratings. Before opening a "business" think very, very hard about it.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2053161]Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.[/QUOTE]Yep 20 peso bills, some will throw 5 or 10 peso coins. Not a heck of a lot of money, even to the girls. But to some mongers it may be a whole lot of money.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;2053354]The accepted business calculation is the usual 80:20 rule (80 new businesses do not make a profit or fail: 20 make a profit). In Philippines, one must additionally include corruption etc. , that brings the ratio to about 95:5. Yes, the law in Philippines is geared against Foreigners. Foreigners are not allowed to directly own retail outlets, houses or land. The legal system is very weak and slow. For an impartial view, without the usual ignorant emotional arguments, check the World Bank survey on "Ease of Doing Business". Malaysia and Thailand have far better World bank ratings. Before opening a "business" think very, very hard about it.[/QUOTE]Number #1 reason for 95% of the business failures were the foreigners were never qualified to manage and operate a business. I seriously doubt if the businesses ever got to the point where the law or corruption (or shot and killed noted by CM) affected it prior to closing.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2053376]Number #1 reason for 95% of the business failures were the foreigners were never qualified to manage and operate a business. I seriously doubt if the businesses ever got to the point where the law or corruption (or shot and killed noted by CM) affected it prior to closing.[/QUOTE]Yes and no. Foreigners who start businesses here may be highly qualified in their own countries, or in other countries in which the rules are relatively straightforward, corruption is minimal, and the playing field is level. None of those preconditions exist here, and the reason many otherwise qualified foreigners fail is that they don't know the rules, don't have appropriate connections, and given the former, have no idea how to navigate in this country. The only foreigners I know who have started successful businesses are those who have been here for quite a while and who understand most of the informal rules. Please note that the most successful business owner in Angeles–a guy who probably owns half the city–is a European.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2053388]Yes and no. Foreigners who start businesses here may be highly qualified in their own countries, or in other countries in which the rules are relatively straightforward, corruption is minimal, and the playing field is level. None of those preconditions exist here, and the reason many otherwise qualified foreigners fail is that they don't know the rules, don't have appropriate connections, and given the former, have no idea how to navigate in this country. The only foreigners I know who have started successful businesses are those who have been here for quite a while and who understand most of the informal rules. Please note that the most successful business owner in Angelesa guy who probably owns half the cityis a European.

GE.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. I was mainly focusing on the ones who open small businesses and bars in Angeles. These are not the same class you are referring to.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2052858]GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?

Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.

And if not you the same cannot be said for those who unwittingly walk into one of those bars and foolishly buys drinks for girls whom he has no hope of barfining, if they even sit with him at all.

Just saying.

Southeaster.[/QUOTE]The effect is noticeable when you walk into a place and get a feeling your not wanted there like you got leprosy or something. The girls tend to move way from you on the stage or give you looks of complete indifference to your presents. This are in bars LOA (Now Poseidon) Roadies and After school 3 bars I used to have a ton of fun in. I seem to be getting the I am already barfined excuse has to why they can; t go with me. Really a non welcomed feeling. Now I don't go there anymore. I also have a long time friend at Dollhouse and she's not going out with guys early in her shift because she wants to grab the easy money just standing there on the stage. She also don't like sitting away from the stage case the money flies or the balls drop. Says she makes a few 100 a night doing nothing but picking up ping pong balls or 20 peso notes the Koreans throw around. I once thought about sitting at the stage sit all night at dollhouse and grabbing a few 20's myself LOL.

Since you are talking about foreign owned business in the Philippines may I remind you of Lewis one of the owners of Lewis grand hotel and how he mysteriously disappeared after allegedly sold his shares in the hotel and in high society to his Filipino partners.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2053417]The effect is noticeable when you walk into a place and get a feeling your not wanted there like you got leprosy or something. The girls tend to move way from you on the stage or give you looks of complete indifference to your presents. This are in bars LOA (Now Poseidon) Roadies and After school 3 bars I used to have a ton of fun in. I seem to be getting the I am already barfined excuse has to why they can; t go with me. Really a non welcomed feeling. Now I don't go there anymore. I also have a long time friend at Dollhouse and she's not going out with guys early in her shift because she wants to grab the easy money just standing there on the stage. She also don't like sitting away from the stage case the money flies or the balls drop. Says she makes a few 100 a night doing nothing but picking up ping pong balls or 20 peso notes the Koreans throw around. I once thought about sitting at the stage sit all night at dollhouse and grabbing a few 20's myself LOL.[/QUOTE]I heard stories about how foreigners aren't welcomed in after school and I couldn't believe it so I went there to see it for myself. I walked in around 4 pm and there was 7 or 8 girls sitting on the stage, all the perimeter bargirls do this when there is no customers but as soon as someone walks in the start to dance but in after school they ignored me. A waitress asked me what I want to drink and I asked for SML she then disappeared and after 5 minutes of waiting I gave up and went to fields where I'm welcomed.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2053389]I agree with you. I was mainly focusing on the ones who open small businesses and bars in Angeles. These are not the same class you are referring to.[/QUOTE]No argument there. I'm guessing a lot of these guys imagine themselves having access to a harem while making money at the same time. Of course the reality is quite different. I doubt that most bars–unless secretly owned by the well-connected–make much of anything in the way of net profits. I've also been told (with zero substantiation on my part) that the Burgos bars continue to exist for the primary purpose of laundering money from other enterprises. No idea if that's true, but if it is, perhaps the same holds true for some of the Angeles bars as well.

GE.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2052858]GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?

Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.

Southeaster.[/QUOTE]I understand your point, and would agree with it, except I don't patronize the bars from which the Koreans get their girls, and I still continue, advanced years notwithstanding, to have a reasonably good time in the city, and don't get refused very often; and believe me, I'm neither young, nor good looking, nor any young woman's idea of a "good catch. " So in that sense, the behavior of the Koreans doesn't affect me. I come to have a good time, and I continue to be able to do so. And that's really all I meant.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2053590]I understand your point, and would agree with it, except I don't patronize the bars from which the Koreans get their girls, and I still continue, advanced years notwithstanding, to have a reasonably good time in the city, and don't get refused very often; and believe me, I'm neither young, nor good looking, nor any young woman's idea of a "good catch. " So in that sense, the behavior of the Koreans doesn't affect me. I come to have a good time, and I continue to be able to do so. And that's really all I meant.

GE.[/QUOTE]I just returned from visit number 50 to AC since 2004. I was only there 5 nights and BF'd 7 girls. Had an afternoon delight and a double. No problem having a great looking girl go with me. Yes, In many clubs you get the feeling you are in Seoul and the money showers just keep raining down. I guess it is great for the girls. However, I have mixed feelings watching girls push, drop to the floor and scramble for 20 P notes.

Like GE wrote, I always have a good time too. Even spent nights with 2 score birds top 10 bikini winners! The mamasans tell me which girls only go with Koreans. I only have had a couple of potential girls that looked good to me that fear a 'big American dick'. So good times are still to be had in AC.

I have seen 1 change that happens more often than it did years ago. Hot looking girls I know are BF'ing short time 2 or 3 times a night. As my girl told me. 'Honey. 1500 P + tip x 3 is good money for 1 night'.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2053161]Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.[/QUOTE]Only 20 peso notes? Truly spoken like a person with extra money on their hands. The other day I saw 25 cents on the floor and asked a coworker if it was his. He said no so I picked it up and kept it. He said what are you going to do with 25 cents? I said spend it the same as I would if it was $100. If you can't handle little money, how are you going to be able to handle big money?

When I was in High Society last month I called a girl over to go buy me a drink. I gave her 500 pesos and told her to buy herself one too. She came back with my drink and all of my change, not buying a drink for herself. I said why didn't you get yourself one? I gave her 120 pesos and told her to go back and get one for herself. She never did. I guess she needed the 120 pesos more than she needed a drink. I think that is the chick I ended up taking with me that night.

The point is that just because it seems like nothing to you, it could mean a whole lot to someone else. So they got 40 pesos in all of 10 seconds, when the average daily pay for Filipino workers is what?

Chocha,

Are foreigners still not allowed or wanted in Area 51? And if you don't mind could you be more specific in the location?

Right or left on McArthur from Fields etc.

[QUOTE=Shark5;2053161]Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.[/QUOTE]Some girls have more cents than to step over $$'s to pick up pesos. They know the money is in the ld and bf.

Reminds me of one child beggar around 6/7 years old in front of 7-11. I gave him 2 pesos change and he hands it back and says 5 pesos please! Got to think a little bigger. Lol

[QUOTE=Jack4765;2053699]Chocha,

Are foreigners still not allowed or wanted in Area 51? And if you don't mind could you be more specific in the location?

Right or left on McArthur from Fields etc.[/QUOTE]Why even go that far? There are P300-500 street walkers near that closed up motel on the side street near where Johnny's market is located. I have nevered tried any but seen them as I went by on a trike and a few pinays have told me about them. Mostly local guys go there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2053642]<SNIP>
The point is that just because it seems like nothing to you, it could mean a whole lot to someone else. So they got 40 pesos in all of 10 seconds, when the average daily pay for Filipino workers is what?[/QUOTE]You make a good point Mr E that might be incomprehensible to most of us on here.

Apropos of this, I was recently visiting a Nthn Luzon province and I noticed the arrival of an affable Indian money-lender (colloguially known as a "five-six") on his motorbike at the house next door to my abode. The woman resident came out and gave him 20 pesos. Away he rode.

I subsequently discovered that the woman next door had borrowed 500 pesos from him for an "urgent' purchase and 3 times each week he returned to collect 20 pesos until such time as the borrower had repaid 600 pesos.

Point of story. There are pockets of filipino life where 20 pesos represents a substantial proportion of the weekly budget. Hard to believe I know but this story is absolutely true. ISG members here who have ventured into these places and stayed there for any time know that 20 pesos is important to them, so girls scrabbling for such largesse in AC is simply the hard-wired manifestation of their experience with money matters in their home provinces.

Subscript: The next-door neighbor is a lovely person and soon after this event when we needed to borrow some onions from her I compensated her with a 500 php bill and an instruction to pay off the 5-sixer next visit, because his presence in the street troubled me.

Why did I do it when no sexual favors were involved? Because I can, and because I wanted to. My act is unlikely to upset the balance of expectations in our small community even if it unwittingly reinforces the belief that the foreigner who visits now and again is rich.

As I turned out I was on Walking street about 11 pm and ventured into HiSo. It was Ok and some potential girls but slim pickings.

I wandered around a few other bars and then returned about 3 am. The cut little numbers were streaming in after their workshift. Plenty of choice and very friendly. Had way too many options on the go. Seems some of the girls are definitely working with a pimp. If I am talking to a potential girl and she is approached by a grumpy older woman then I just move on.

Ended up with a shapely little mother of four kids. Agreed on P1,500 to go home with me. Evening sex, evening BBBJ with CIM, then sleep, then repeat in the wake up. Will definitely see her again.

Happy days in AC.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2053839]As I turned out I was on Walking street about 11 pm and ventured into HiSo.

I wandered around a few other bars and then returned about 3 am.

Seems some of the girls are definitely working with a pimp. If I am talking to a potential girl and she is approached by a grumpy older woman then I just move on.[/QUOTE]That is not the case. It is that when some bars close sometimes several of the girls go to HS and the mamasan tags along too for fun. I have never noticed them act grumpy though.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2053818] Indian money-lender (colloguially known as a "five-six") [/QUOTE]The Indians doing this are often referred to as "Bombay five-six" or, simply, "Bombay" to differentiate them from their Filipino counterparts in the trade, which is one not held in very high regard. But "needed", as you point out.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2053878]The Indians doing this are often referred to as "Bombay five-six" or, simply, "Bombay" to differentiate them from their Filipino counterparts in the trade, which is one not held in very high regard. But "needed", as you point out.[/QUOTE]The activity of "Boombay 5-sixers" was merely a sideline comment Pute. It should not camouflage the main point I was making that for many filipinos 20 pesos is much more than the "Monopoly money" that many of us consider it to be.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2053921]The activity of "Boombay 5-sixers" was merely a sideline comment Pute. It should not camouflage the main point I was making that for many filipinos 20 pesos is much more than the "Monopoly money" that many of us consider it to be.[/QUOTE]Well mine was just a comment to the sideline comment. But you make an important point. Many in the provinces still work for 50-100 a day (with perhaps a simple meal thrown in).

I have no problem with the "overtippers" (my view is that they serve to increase the supply by the allure of easy money) but I tend to stick to lowest attainable market rates myself, and tip OK when service is good. In my experience Filipinas often value "care" more than money. A small item brought especially for them, their favorit choco. Whatever.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2053921]The activity of "Boombay 5-sixers" was merely a sideline comment Pute. It should not camouflage the main point I was making that for many filipinos 20 pesos is much more than the "Monopoly money" that many of us consider it to be.[/QUOTE]Yes, RK's point is well-taken. Many Filipinos somehow survive at a borderline subsistence level, and yet manage to be appreciably happier than the comparatively wealthier foreigners. A truly admirable quality.

Perhaps material wealth alone is not the key to happiness?

By the way, if 20 pesos is a not insubstantial sum, then just imagine the relatively grand magnitude of 1,000 or 2,000 pesos or more. However, some working girls in Angeles and elsewhere rapidly become inured to such larger sums of money to be received or expected or sometimes even demanded from foreigners. Maybe not such an admirable quality?

Just one man's musings.

OM.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2053926]Well mine was just a comment to the sideline comment. But you make an important point. Many in the provinces still work for 50-100 a day (with perhaps a simple meal thrown in).

I have no problem with the "overtippers" (my view is that they serve to increase the supply by the allure of easy money) but I tend to stick to lowest attainable market rates myself, and tip OK when service is good. In my experience Filipinas often value "care" more than money. A small item brought especially for them, their favorit choco. Whatever.[/QUOTE]You are so right! An $8 box of chocolate "brought for them from the US" pays huge dividends, even if it was really bought in the local store.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2054003]You are so right! An $8 box of chocolate "brought for them from the US" pays huge dividends, even if it was really bought in the local store.[/QUOTE]Deceiver! Cheater! By the way, does anybody have recommendations on how to hide from guests and preserve in good condition in a room a bunch of SM Supermarket grocery bags of chocolate?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2053742]Why even go that far? There are P300-500 street walkers near that closed up motel on the side street near where Johnny's market is located. I have nevered tried any but seen them as I went by on a trike and a few pinays have told me about them. Mostly local guys go there.[/QUOTE]I got to tell you I've been checking that area out for the last few years. Never seen anything worth while. And if I'm right (maybe not anymore) you could still walk in or drive in that motel if we're talking about the same place. At least you could before.

The place I'm talking about is on the left going up the street from Johnnys on the Fields side of McArthur. If not sorry. It's a dump anyway.

I'd still like to know where area 51 is located!

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;2054068] By the way, does anybody have recommendations on how to hide from guests and preserve in good condition in a room a bunch of SM Supermarket grocery bags of chocolate?[/QUOTE]Manipulate any energy saving device so that you can run the AC unit while you are out. Put the goodies in your travel suitcase, lock it. It is imperative to hide from guests the true size of your goody stash, especially early in the trip.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2054140]Manipulate any energy saving device so that you can run the AC unit while you are out. Put the goodies in your travel suitcase, lock it. It is imperative to hide from guests the true size of your goody stash, especially early in the trip.[/QUOTE]Or you can be like me and not bring them shit. That way you do not have to worry about hiding anything.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;2054068]Deceiver! Cheater! By the way, does anybody have recommendations on how to hide from guests and preserve in good condition in a room a bunch of SM Supermarket grocery bags of chocolate?[/QUOTE]Buy a 15" x 15" x 15" cardboard box and packing tape at National Book Store and tape her shut. The chocolates!

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2054003]You are so right! An $8 box of chocolate "brought for them from the US" pays huge dividends, even if it was really bought in the local store.[/QUOTE]Right, I'm sure most Pinoy's would much rather have cheap chocolate than Php1,500 to pay rent and buy food. Amazing the rationalizations of which the human mind is capable.

Had a late night visit from a massage girl. Has been lots of chat over the past four weeks as I legitimately thought she was a dating prospect. Paid for an hour (P300), she stayed for three hours.

I've had various successes with the wechat massage girls. There really is no quality standard or any way of knowing what to expect.

There are some girls that are 'run ' as a business. For me I've identified them as the ones with templates of massage services and price lists. They will arrive by private motorbike or private trike with the driver (BF?) delivering them to the door of the hotel.

Other girls are just freelancers using it as a way to get clients.

Others are working in pairs as friends.

In all cases it comes down to the synergy between the two consenting adults on the bed.

I have not had any good services with the 'agency' services.

BD.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2054163]Right, I'm sure most Pinoy's would much rather have cheap chocolate than Php1,500 to pay rent and buy food. Amazing the rationalizations of which the human mind is capable.[/QUOTE]They would indeed prefer PHP 1500 to a single tasty chocolate bar. However, I've had more ladies become friendly with benefits and provide even more valuable introductions to others after giving chocolates than with those who were strictly P4 P. My experience however is overwhelmingly in Metro Manila outside of bars, having visited AC only briefly a couple times. I defer to the experience of AC veterans on this thread.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2054150]Or you can be like me and not bring them shit. That way you do not have to worry about hiding anything.[/QUOTE]Probably very sensible advice, but I'm not always sensible and besides it's very tempting to do the choco arbitrage. Every cheaply bought choco bar goes a long way.

And, as they are the seller and we are the buyers. No need to impress them with chocolates etc, which admittedly I do, sometimes.

"Since when has the buyer got to impress the seller?"

Straight out of Mr E's copy book, methinks.

Phil supermarkets have imported chocolates etc, no need to pay western world prices and drag them half way across the world to the Phils.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2054163]Right, I'm sure most Pinoy's would much rather have cheap chocolate than Php1,500 to pay rent and buy food. Amazing the rationalizations of which the human mind is capable.[/QUOTE]Logically, of course, GE is correct. However, remember that some or maybe even many Pinays are not necessarily bound by Western notions of logic.

For example, I have learned over the years that some Pinays will actually work harder for a 50 peso tip than for a 200 peso tip. Especially if they can actually see the cash. As part of my sexual regimen, I used to have multiple nightly private contests in my hotel room, with tips or cash prizes awarded on the spot to the winners from among several competing young women vying in various different, light-hearted, and often pornographic, games or events. All in good fun and for a good cause.

And chocolates, especially the larger Hershey or Snickers bars, actually seem to disproportionately appeal to many young women, especially in Angeles and in the provinces (where many Pinays are quite "childlike" even up to their late 20's or 30's).

Go figure!

OM.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2054163]Right, I'm sure most Pinoy's would much rather have cheap chocolate than Php1,500 to pay rent and buy food. Amazing the rationalizations of which the human mind is capable.[/QUOTE]You are not very astute if you think I give chocolate in lieu of a tip.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2054413]You are not very astute if you think I give chocolate in lieu of a tip.[/QUOTE]To Salty.

I always bring a few Hersey one Lb bar from US and I always give the girl 200 p tip on top of that, they will give you a big hug and kiss be nice to the girls most have tough life.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2054305]And, as they are the seller and we are the buyers. No need to impress them with chocolates etc, which admittedly I do, sometimes.

"Since when has the buyer got to impress the seller?"

Straight out of Mr E's copy book, methinks.

Phil supermarkets have imported chocolates etc, no need to pay western world prices and drag them half way across the world to the Phils.[/QUOTE]Since when do I have to impress them. I am the one that improves there lot in life not the other way around. Fact is I find that my life is a lot less happier when I have to drag a girlfriend around everywhere due to there overwhelming jealousy, lock down clinging and child like dependence on me to make all the responsibility decisions for them. They just don; t have much to offer positive besides sex and maybe cooking, cleaning your house, and washing your clothes for you and some of them are not good at doing even those things.

Are there massage places around AC with a good HJ / BJ finish? Was thinking that might be a good daytime activity. Then a nap and then head out at night and bring a girl back to the hotel for the real thing. Still trying to figure out my strategy for my first AC trip.

[QUOTE=Jack4765;2054106]I got to tell you I've been checking that area out for the last few years. Never seen anything worth while. And if I'm right (maybe not anymore) you could still walk in or drive in that motel if we're talking about the same place. At least you could before.

The place I'm talking about is on the left going up the street from Johnnys on the Fields side of McArthur. If not sorry. It's a dump anyway.

I'd still like to know where area 51 is located![/QUOTE]One time I went to that motel with a santos street girl from wow bar for a short time and when I walked out one of the street girls outside offered shortime for 800 I said no she said ok 500 the girl clearly had a drug problem.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2054691]Are there massage places around AC with a good HJ / BJ finish? Was thinking that might be a good daytime activity. Then a nap and then head out at night and bring a girl back to the hotel for the real thing. Still trying to figure out my strategy for my first AC trip.[/QUOTE]A massage shop in Teodoro street has some stunners that also do outcall. My hotel was around the corner. Got the same girl 3 days in a row. 2 hours massage 1000 extra for FS. She was really great. It is the shop on left hand side past Elisa street walking south.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2054691]Are there massage places around AC with a good HJ / BJ finish? Was thinking that might be a good daytime activity. Then a nap and then head out at night and bring a girl back to the hotel for the real thing. Still trying to figure out my strategy for my first AC trip.[/QUOTE]Massage houses are all over the place in the area. Some are legit some have extras I find it easier to get a happy ending from Providers that I have seen several times.

Does AC have the same problem as in Pattaya where in many clubs, girls will only go with Korean men? I don't notice this problem in Bangkok.
I have heard girls are either korean or white girls and koreans girls won't guy with whites. This certainly seemed to be the case in pattaya where the very best girls only went with koreans.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2055189]Does AC have the same problem as in Pattaya where in many clubs, girls will only go with Korean men? I don't notice this problem in Bangkok.
I have heard girls are either korean or white girls and koreans girls won't guy with whites. This certainly seemed to be the case in pattaya where the very best girls only went with koreans.[/QUOTE]Yes Some girls only goes with Koreans but you can still find a girl easily just don't go to Korean bar and pick the one with blond hair and blue contacts and you will have a better chance.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2055189]Does AC have the same problem as in Pattaya where in many clubs, girls will only go with Korean men? I don't notice this problem in Bangkok.
I have heard girls are either korean or white girls and koreans girls won't guy with whites. This certainly seemed to be the case in pattaya where the very best girls only went with koreans.[/QUOTE]You will find girls there who don't like white, black, Asian and poka dot guys. They are all different human beings with different taste just go and I am sure you will find something.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2054691]Are there massage places around AC with a good HJ / BJ finish? Was thinking that might be a good daytime activity. Then a nap and then head out at night and bring a girl back to the hotel for the real thing. Still trying to figure out my strategy for my first AC trip.[/QUOTE]There are many many massage joints. Often the girls will not be stunners but good with their hands. They may not have the looks to be standouts by themselves so they find work in massage shops. There are also legitimate visiting massage services.

In all cases I have always had a happy ending.

My most recent visit to Fantasy Massage on Perimeter I was happy with the girl, she was clearly happy to get her gear off for a nice session on the table. All up for one hour massage, BBBJ and sex P1. 5 k.

How does the price compare? Similar to a barfine. No need for buying drinks, no need for a short time hotel or tidying of my hotel room.

I can recommend massage joints as a suitable day time endeavour.

BD.

[QUOTE=Titanio;2054991]A massage shop in Teodoro street has some stunners that also do outcall. My hotel was around the corner. Got the same girl 3 days in a row. 2 hours massage 1000 extra for FS. She was really great. It is the shop on left hand side past Elisa street walking south.[/QUOTE]How much for the 2 hrs outcall massage?

There are many wonderful girls in AC. Over the past few visits I've had some pleasant non-professional encounters with young pinay 19,24 & 25 without kids. What a pleasure their bodies are. The boobs are just firmer, there is no stretched belly and their vaginas are just perfect not having been stretched to the maximum.

The conversations are also so different. Less interest in money and less talk about the kids which don't exist.

How did I meet these ones?

19 - wechat nearby.

24 - facebook friend of friend.

25 - Tagged.

Happy days. I'm in AC for the next few days if anyone wants to catch up for a beer.

BD.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2053576]Since you are talking about foreign owned business in the Philippines may I remind you of Lewis one of the owners of Lewis grand hotel and how he mysteriously disappeared after allegedly sold his shares in the hotel and in high society to his Filipino partners.[/QUOTE]It is not unusual for foreign business partners to be forced out by their Filipino partners who control 60% of the business. Usually, the foreigner's departure is facilitated by the Grim Reaper in the form of a native with a pistol. Mysterious disappearances in the past involved a 55-gallon oil drum, a few bags of cement, and a boat ride out to deep waters. However, methods have become more sophisticated and cremation is now considered more efficient.

In Angeles City, legitimate bars are being driven out of business because Filipino landlords have been raising rents and demanding a year of rent paid in advance. This is due to growing presence of the Korean mafia which can afford to pay large amounts of rent in advance to Filipino landlords because its bars are mainly fronts for laundering money from the drug trade and gambling operations. In 2015, Lee Sang Te, a Korean mafia boss and at the time Korea's most wanted criminal, was apprehended at casino in AC by the Bureau of Immigration. He had spent 6 years running his operation out of a hotel in AC before the South Korean Interpol tracked him down.

AC has a Korean population of approximately 20,000 and it has a Korean Desk manned by South Korean policemen. In 2016, they captured 18 fugitive members of the Korean mafia in Pampanga. The Korean police has established these units in other parts of the Philippines where the Korean mafia is present such as in Malate, Cavite, Baguio and Cebu. The night life in Malate has been largely taken over by the Korean mafia, and Koreans are now the preferred customers even in dives like LA Caf. President Duterte noted the increasing role that the Korean mafia plays in criminal activities in Cebu, particularly in the drug trade, extortion, prostitution, and kidnapping. This led to Duterte issuing a warning to members of the Korean mafia that they would be killed in the same manner as Filipino criminals and not be given special treatment simply because they are foreigners.

All of this means that the time of the Western expat bar owner is rapidly drawing to a close because they cannot compete with the huge cash flow of the Korean mafia. It also means that Duterte may eventually unleash his wrath on bar districts as they increasingly come under the control of a foreign criminal organization that has attracted his attention. Launching massive raids against such establishments would earn him additional political capital as it would be seen as protecting Filipinas from bad foreigners, which always plays big with the Pinoy pride crowd. Soon, he will need to feed the nationalists some raw meat as they are feeling quite dejected after Manny's latest defeat.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2055409]There are many many massage joints. Often the girls will not be stunners but good with their hands. They may not have the looks to be standouts by themselves so they find work in massage shops. There are also legitimate visiting massage services.

In all cases I have always had a happy ending.

My most recent visit to Fantasy Massage on Perimeter I was happy with the girl, she was clearly happy to get her gear off for a nice session on the table. All up for one hour massage, BBBJ and sex P1. 5 k.

How does the price compare? Similar to a barfine. No need for buying drinks, no need for a short time hotel or tidying of my hotel room.

I can recommend massage joints as a suitable day time endeavour.

BD.[/QUOTE]The massage girls on fields are very cute it makes me wonder why are they massage girls instead of freelancers I mean they will eventually bang after a couple of visits.