Pattaya Reports

Sir, you are the master of the art of narrating mongering experiences. I have read all your reports here and in BKK thread. Every word of it. And I have no hesitation in saying that I have not come across such mongering masterpieces ever before.

Take a bow sir, and keep posting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1895011]I was going to say the same thing. Sapphire actually has very few Asian clients. I assumed because it wasn't on walking Street

The Sapphire girls barfine. I've barfined 7 different sapphire girls.

No current sapphire girl I would barfine again except Kob.[/QUOTE]7 girls out of? A 100? And 1 that is worth repeating? At what costs?

Nah! Not my pint of beer.

Guys, thanks for the warm words of praise. I am immensely gratified that you appreciate the posts, especially the fact that you can see yourselves in these positions. My aim is always to provide a blow-by-blow account of my experience, in as much detail as I can remember. I'm glad that for at least some of you, this is working (reposting in the DXB forum?! That's wild).

Sadly, such write-ups take a lot of time. I have now returned to my penitentiary in the USA, and so the writing is taking just a little longer than normal. I wanted to let you know that the final two posts for Patts, and the final two posts for BKK will definitely be coming, just a little delayed. So stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1895430]

I have now returned to my penitentiary in the USA........ So stay tuned.[/QUOTE]I KNEW IT!

No wonder! There was something about Mary.

😎😝🙄

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1894969]But in the end, I slowed the pace of my kissing and licking and stroking, and eventually slowed to a crawl, and then to a stop. I sat up, looked at her, eyes still closed, smile on her face, and exhaled softly.


She showered, and left without incident. I grabbed my clothes and ripped out of there soon thereafter, looking to continue this sexual bender through Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Taking home a hot woman who ends up a starfish is the worst. You are so hungry for her. You touch her, you look at her, and you can imagine so vividly how she will be. You dream of what it will be like all the way back to your hotel. But then she just lies there. Argh. Simply climbing aboard and doing her can never match the fantasy, and it seems better (at the time anyway) to simply let her go and be only disappointed once rather than twice.

You can never really predict if a girl will be great in bed or a dud. I have had a couple super enthusiastic girls who I was expecting to blow me away end up being horrible experiences, and I had some that seemed shy who turned out to be really good. One of the most beautiful Thai girls I ever had, who I seemed to really click with and who spoke decent, conversational English and who totally had me drooling, was a starfish, and remained a starfish on a second visit. You just never know.

I will say that if you find a girl early that you really connect with, or at least think you connect with, go on and go for her. Why wait? What is an extra 500 for a BF if you are super turned on to her and are connecting? That is like and extra $15! I know, I know. A 1500 BF is crazy, and I have walked out of a couple of clubs when told that was the BF, leaving behind a couple super hot girls in the process, but in looking back am I glad I saved the $15? No, given with how the rest of evenings progressed thereafter each time, I feel stupid. Sure, I saved $15 and I stood up to the club and maybe got an attaboy or two from here, but so what? I either went home alone or ended up with a far less attractive girl. When in Pattaya, you have to be very careful to pass up the girl of your dreams over just a few measly dollars, or hoping that she will be there later or you will find someone better.

On a second point, there is often a reason why some BGs dress in outfits that hide much of their bodies. If the girl is half naked, you can see what she has. Tee shirts can hide the signs of mommiehood in an otherwise near perfect body. I am about to the point where if she is not in a bikini outfit I pass, as I have been disappointed several times by sagging stomachs and sagging breasts.

Anyway, the first few days in Pattaya can be daunting. Heck, the first few trips to Pattaya can be daunting for us more timid gentlemen. Hang in there bro!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1895805]I will say that if you find a girl early that you really connect with, or at least think you connect with, go on and go for her. Why wait? What is an extra 500 for a BF if you are super turned on to her and are connecting? [/QUOTE]Yeah, I could not agree with you more, FL Hawk. Sadly, I did not do this, and I ended up losing the beauty #69 from Mandarin (see my next report). I probably should have taken her right there and then. A bird in the hand, and all that. But it all worked out for me in the end, as my next post details.

[I]My my, hey hey.

Rock and roll is here to stay.

It's better to burn out.

Than to fade away.

My my, hey hey.[/I]

Having just finished with Whan, and not having actually ejaculated, there was the very real chance that my energy would flag, I would slow, and I would just fade away tonight. Even though the imperative to copulate is perhaps the single greatest driving force in human experience, you can't fight the biology of fatigue. We've all been there, right? Where you are horny, girls are all around, but it is nearing 4 am and you throw in the towel. Hell, I did that the previous night, and luckily found a Beach Rd girl on the way back. But in actuality, the previous night, I had basically given up at the end of the night. And that's understandable: after an entire night of trawling the oceans of Pattaya for fish, your body just can't do it, and your energy fades away. I was determined to not let that happen tonight. I was determined that I would rather burn myself to a stub than to fade away quietly tonight.

And after that experience with Whan, I was feeling remarkably good. I was full of energy, and lots of drive, but I did not feel as desperate as I thought I might. No, I was in my zen zone, feeling calm and controlled. Whatever happened in this latter part of the evening was ok by me, but I would not give up until I found satisfaction.

First stop, fried rice and Americano at the place on WS. I ate up, drank up, and trotted the 300 meters or so down to Insomnia. Goon-frisked, I went upstairs to a very different club from the previous night. There was actual space to stand, and move about, and almost extend your arms outwards. It was luxurious. It was like moving from a Manhattan apartment to a beachside condo in Malibu. Moreover, and very importantly, there were still loads of girls available. I don't think the quality or quantity diminished in any measurable sense between Saturday and Sunday. I mean, after a certain point it makes no difference, right? There is no noticeable difference between 1 zillion dollars and 2 zillion dollars.

I did my regular walk around the club, and the ladies were falling off the walls. The ratio of men to women was probably 1:2, and the quality was high as well. I noticed the occasional forty-something, and the occasional heavy girl, but generally, the quality was there. I walked around, scoping, and allowing Kumbu to be seen, and made my way back to the spot where I had seen my Surin lady last: at the front, near the toilets. But she was not to be seen. Hmm. I had my heart set on her in particular, and was really hoping she would be here. So I waited 10 minutes or so at the front, before making another round.

This time, as I walked, I made a point of looking at every female face and matching it to my memory of last night. But nothing came up. She simply wasn't there. It's true that last night she had appeared at around 2:30 am or so, and right now it was 1 am. So maybe she would arrive later. I held out hope.

In the meantime, I decided to look for a back up. I did have a back-up back-up in the form of the gogo dancer Yok (#69) from Mandarin, so I was not stressed. So I stood there, at the front, near the bar, and enjoyed the beat of the music, the beauty that was all around me. I smiled at nothing in particular, and I felt the adrenaline and energy course through my body. I was alive, surging, feeling it right now. That non-fucking interlude with Whan was terrific. It had invigorated me without draining me, and I was feeling groovy.

And I think some of that groove was showing, because all of a sudden, I felt like the antelope amidst the lionesses. My elbow was nipped from my left, and there stood two girls. The first, closer to me, was the prettier of the two. She was early thirties, prettyish face, and attractive legs. Her friend was dour, looking upset, mid-thirties, with a somewhat haggard looking face. She was very thin, too thin, and looked like she had just come out of a long breakup. She definitely did not look like someone who should be in here, and definitely not someone I would hook up with.

But her friend was eager to push her on to me. She kept engaging her friend with me, getting us to clink drinks, and trying to encourage us to get it on. "Come on you two, you know you want to!" Umm, no, actually, we don't. Neither I nor her friend had any interest, and after 10 minutes of this, the pretty girl decided that she would go for me herself. This I could stomach, but compared to Yok, or the girl from Surin, this girl was in a different class entirely. I suspect she would be cheaper, although she was dressed slightly formally, meaning she looked like she was a little conservative and expected to be treated nicely. Not really my cup of tea right now, thanks.

So after a little informal chatting, I clinked drinks once more, and indicated that I was moving on, and I just walked away. Best move of the night.

I walked over to the left side of the club, and found a nice spot near the toilets down there. There is this little niche between the DJs booth and a big speaker where a goon sits and keeps watch. There were a bunch of white dudes who had that area to themselves, but I snuck in there and just planted myself there. They did not object, and to be honest, did not even notice me. We wispy brown boys often fly under the radar, kind of like busboys at a restaurant. It was an excellent spot to watch from.

There was a smoking hot girl on the dance stage right in front of me wearing a clingy one-piece dark blue dress. It was so short I thought she was wearing shorts, but it turns out it was a dress. Yikes, that is daring. She was dancing her heart out though, and the movements she was throwing in there were pretty damned wicked. We made eye contact once, and I felt the stirrings of little Kumbu. So I worked on her for about 10 minutes, thinking that maybe we can start a chat, and then I would inquire about her terms. But 10 minutes later, a large, muscular white dude with a crew cut and suave striped button-down shirt arrives on scene, and stands right next to her. And the rest is history: the white dude got the girl. End of story there.

So it was nearly 2 am now, and I had told Yok that I would return after midnight. Mandarin closes at 3 am, so I thought I had better get over there if I am to catch Yok. So I bolted, and went straight over to Mandarin, and when I entered, there were no customers. Half the girls were at a table on my left downing shots of tequila, and the other half were on stage, clearly drunk, just dancing like it were a nightclub. What a fucking life, man. Drunk every night, whether with a man or not.

I walked in and a girl slurs to me "Iiiiii knnnowwww youuuuueeewww". Yes darling, you know me like you know those dozen tequilas you have had tonight. Then another girl says "you came here earlier today!" Then people suddenly break into action, and I am dragged by four ladies over to a seat. Fresh meat! Fresh meat everyone!

They thought I was returning because I liked Mandarin, and that I was going to spend money on LDs and BF some random woman. The benefactor with deep pockets has arrived, let's make sure he never leaves! But no, I was there for a very specific purpose. I look around and do not see her. Uh-oh, it's as I suspected, she must have been BFed already. So I grab a waitress, who was perhaps the only one there not wasted out of her mind, and I say "I'm here to see Yok, #69, we agreed I would bar fine her tonight", and slowly the craze in the bar subsides. Oh, he's here for her, not for us. Boo. Where's my tequila?

One of the girls on stage calls me over and tells me that she BFed herself at 1 am. I had told her that I would come at midnight, and she waited an hour. So she has gone back to her own room to sleep. Sorry kaa.

Oh jeez. My back-up to the back-up just fell through, leaving me empty handed once more, holding nothing but my enflamed balls. I was disappointed not to be able to run my hands over that fine, fine 22-year-old body, but I was not that dejected. The night was still young, and while the Surin lady had not turned up in Insomnia, my energy levels were high, and my patience levels were even higher. So I was feeling cool. I walked out to the very vocal objections of the drunk girls in Mandarin, but their inebriation made them too slow-witted to do anything about it. I made a bee-line back to Insomnia.

I walked straight back to the spot I had been in before, near the DJ, in that niche with the white dudes. I spied a girl at the nearby bar, facing away from me, wearing short white shorts and a tight blue top. She had a short, chic hair-do, not the typical long-hair look that Thai girls go for, and that was very refreshing. She had a couple of beers in front of her, and was wiggling her bum to the music. Her legs and ass were really impressive. Legs were a tad slender for me, but ass was ultra rumptious.

I looked shamelessly at that ass wiggle left and right, and little Kumbu began to turn in the direction of the ass. Yup, little Kumbu had found his true north. As I am ogling, she turns her face and through the corner of her eye she sees me looking. Her head looks forward again, and a moment later it snaps back to see if I am still looking. Which I was. And she smiles.

I do nothing about it. I look away, just so as not to seem too desperate. I can see in my peripheral vision the bum wiggling still, and then I see (again, without looking directly) her turn her head once more, and I make sure to be looking the other way. Can't let her think she is in control. I need to be a little cool. Seeing the deer wander off into the woods, the hunter (she, in this case) needs to do something to draw the deer back. So she turns her body slightly, to make it easier to look at me, and she starts looking at me full time. I eventually look back at her, meet her gaze, and we exchange smiles. I lift my Heineken as if to toast her, and she smiles. I notice she has a lime in her mouth, just chewing on it like it's a piece of bubble gum.

I walk over, and see that she has three Corona beers in front of her. I ask her why she is so thirsty, does she plan to get drunk right this minute? She laughs and says that my friend gave them to her. My friend? I was completely confused by this (I'm here alone), but did not give enough of a shit to ask for clarification. I asked her her name, and said nice to meet you, and then she further explains the beer situation. Turns out one of the white guys I was standing near had spun some kind of wheel and won three Corona beers. He gave all three to the prettiest girl nearby, which happened to be her. Because I was standing near him, the natural assumption was that we were all friends. I could see that.

As she was talking, I was barely listening, but I was focused more on her assets. Her legs I already knew about. Her ass was as plain as day. But her breasts were worth figuring out, and they seemed non-existent. Fine, I'm happy with that, just so long as you don't have a hideous boob job. But her face, it turns out, was more revealing at close quarters. She was significantly older than her legs, ass, hair style (remember: short and chic) or clothing would suggest. All of these suggested mid-to-late twenties (which for me is the perfect age), while her face suggested late thirties. Quite a discrepancy, and I am inclined to believe what the face tells me.

I just lost interest in this girl. What a fucking spoiled child of a monger I am, right? Super hot, lovely bum wiggle, very well adorned, excellent legs, nice attitude. But nooooo, not good enough for Mr. Picky here. Kumbu must have more. Always more. Actually, it was something in her eyes which turned me off. She seemed a little off. A little unstable. A little hyper, actually. And that worried me. No reason to take the risk, there are plenty of other wiggling bums in the barrel.

So I nodded my head to her politely and walked back to my spot. She was a little puzzled by my sudden departure, and tried to reel me in for a few more minutes with her gazes, but I carefully avoided her eyes and looked at the other offerings on display. I continued my little eye-ball flirting with various other ladies for at least another hour before I started getting propositioned by a forty something lady. Well, not quite. She was clearly in her forties, but she did not seem to be propositioning me as much as scoping me out. It was odd, it was almost as if she was sussing me out for someone else. But I had been harassed enough by the forty-something crowd to know that such things rarely end well. I tried my best to avoid making eye contact with her, but she was an expert. She positioned herself such that anytime I looked rightward, I would have to see her, and I would have to try extra hard to avoid eye contact.

After 10 minutes or so, I eventually, by mistake, made eye contact, and I noticed she was just standing there looking at me, with a soft smile on her face. She was petite, with a thin figure, had long, straight hair. She was not dressed like a FL or a crazy nightclub girl, but more like a woman dressed for a night out. She had some very kind eyes, though, which softened me up a little, and I smiled back at her. It's ok Kumbu, you can show a little humanity. It's allowed once in a while.

She returned the smile, and she slowly approached me. To my surprise, I was not distressed at all by this. She seemed genuinely non-threatening, and I was happy to interact with her. I did not see this going very far, but there was no need to be mean to this girl, I mean woman, the way I had been to the fat ugly girl from last night. She approached, and stood near me, and asked if she could sit down. Turns out she was tired. Her feet were probably swollen, her ankles must be hurting, and her back probably ached. I know, because that's how I felt. And there was a stool right next to me, so I offered it to her. She smiled, and gratefully sat down. I could sense the relief in her body as she sat down.

A few moments later, her companion arrives, and the night suddenly looked very, very interesting. The first thing I noticed about this companion girl was her eyes. Her eyes were thin, but pointing ever so slightly upwards. But they were very well spaced, and there was fire within them. She was not docile, nor was she dumb. Her eyes showed spark, interest, imagination, and desire. The eyes were also very naughty. You could tell this girl wanted to have fun, just unbridled fun. Her eyes spoke to me, and they said something about magical sex. Check.

The second thing I noticed was that she was much younger than her companion sitting next to me, perhaps in her early-to-mid twenties. Check.

Third, she had a gold piercing in her eyebrow, a crystal stud in her nose, and a fancy pin in her navel. Ah, piercings, great, this indicates a troubled background, perhaps involving abuse of some kind. Check.

Third, she had three tattoos: one was a dragon (or something) above her left breast, a second was a flock of birds behind her left ear, and the third was a tattoo of a tiger across the entirety of her exposed back. Excellent, tattoos indicate a plea for attention. Check.

Fourth, her hair was peroxide dyed, but not in the Japanese / Korean style. This indicated again, a plea for attention. Check, check.

Fifth, her hands were immaculately manicured, with really long, sexy fingernails. This indicates hygiene and attention to self. This is very important to me. Check again.

Sixth, her skin was slightly on the dark side, which is great because it indicates low self confidence. In Thailand, if you are dark skinned, you are not good enough. Check, check, check.

And finally, her limbs looked long and athletic. She was clearly a physical person, with excellent physical coordination, and this portends well for a roll in the sack together. Big, sexy, leggy check.

So all the ingredients were there for the most calculating and exploitative Mr. Kumbu: young, troubled background (willing to do nasty shit), seeking attention (willing to please, if that means attention), but very meticulous about hygiene, and super sexy body. What else could you want?

She walks up to her friend and takes a quick gander at yours truly. She smiles at me, and holds my gaze for at least 3 seconds, during which I feel a fucking buzzsaw start up in my pants. She then goes back to talking with her friend. We hang there for 5 minutes or so, until she starts looking around for a stool. There was one behind me, so I pulled it out and offered it to her, like the true gentleman I pretend to be. Some ooohs ring out from the crowd of watchers (everyone is always watching everyone in that place). One of the waitresses comes over and slaps me on the back, like I had just saved an endangered monk seal pup from the blades of a trawler or something. Chivalry, it seems, is dead here, but certainly not forgotten.

So now I have this cutie sitting right in front of me, like 2 cm away from me, and she keeps swinging herself back and forth to take a look at me. So we just have to talk, there's no way around it. I ask her her name, Mina is the response. Nice, I once banged a Mina from that gogo place directly opposite Angel Witch (search for Mina, you will find a report about that). While this clearly was not that same Mina, the name has very positive vibes for me, and so I was pleased. I told her about myself (name, from America, etc.). She says a few things in Thai to her friend, and her friend then does a wai to me, gives me a small little hand wave, and she walks off.

Hmm, this really did look like a set up now. It was almost as if this older sister brought Mina along, scoped me out for her, set her up with me, and when things looked like they might work, she took off. The little pup could now hunt for herself, and did not need the elder there to guide her anymore. And all of that was fine with me, since this pup, as it were, was turning little Kumbu inside out with anticipation.

She was wearing denim shorts and a white halter top, revealing a bare midsection. And that midsection was as tight as midsections are allowed to be. I mean, human body regulations stipulate the tightness of midsections very carefully, and Mina had just reached the limit here. Moreover, her butt looked very orbital and full, just as Kumbu prefers them. You add all of this together, and you have a winning combination.

The big white dude who had been chugging whiskey all evening right next to me suddenly gets up and starts to walk out. One of the waiters asks him incredulously where he is going, and he says very matter-of-factly 'Home. It's 3:30. It's late' and off he goes. Aha, here's my cue. I said to her 'see him? It's late, time to go. I am going back to my hotel room too. You want to come with me?

She looks at me, and I kid you not, she smiles shyly, coos, and then she brings her face into me and cuddles in my neck. It was like 'I'm so happy you picked ME!' So off we go, walking up WS at 3:30 am. As we walk, I notice how leggy she is. Her legs are long, and really very lanky. Perhaps lanky is not the right word, but both her arms and her legs were longer than you usually expect from a Thai girl. She was kind of boy-like in that respect. And she walked with a certain tom-boyishness, which I like a lot. I asked her if she was athletic, and she said she does not run, she can't swim, but she used to do muay thai until just six years ago. I asked her how old she is now, and she said 22 (yes! So she stopped muay thai at age 16, and she said it was because she could not find any other girl opponents, and no boy opponents would fight her. If they won, they get no credit for beating a girl, and imagine what would happen if they lost to a girl! So there was no upside to it for them, and so she had no opponents ever.

This was very intriguing to me. I've never done it with such a physical, athletic and yet ultra sexy Thai WG before. This was going to be good. Another thing I discovered is that she is in Pattaya because her brother owns a bar on Soi Buakhao. So she is in Pattaya to help her brother run the bar, and she does the FL work to make some money on the side. She makes a point to not do it near her brother's bar because that would just be weird. So she is truly an amateur at this, and she just likes the idea of sex with falang who will pay. She's never had a child, and has had 3 boyfriends in the past, all of whom were buttplugs. I'm paraphrasing slightly there.

We get into the hotel, and sit and chat for a while. She then goes in for a shower, and then it is my turn. When I get out, she is in her towel, sitting on the edge of the bed, clearly a little bit nervous. So I sit with her and we talk some more, holding hands. Gradually she loosens up. I forget what happened, but I cracked some kind of joke and we both bust out laughing, like rolling on the bed laughing, and suddenly we were off to the races. Hands all over each other, groping, kissing, stroking in a feverish manner. The ice had been well and truly shattered. The towel came off, and Oh. My. Fucking. Gawd.

This girl had a body, like, ka-BOW ka-BOOM! It was as if she had been custom built for picky old Kumbu here. Breasts: A-sized, so not worth discussing. Waist: tiny, fatless, and tight as can be. Hips: disproportionately wide and well rounded. Ass: large, round, globe-like, and firm as you could ever hope for. Legs: long, strong, extremely shapely with perfect proportions.

Her legs are definitely worth an honorable mention. Her thighs were strong, shapely and fatless. I mean I could feel the muscle underneath the skin, even when the muscle was not flexing. And this was true even on the back side of the thigh just below the butt, which is where many women retain much of their fat (there, plus the belly). Her thighs lead to knees that were not knobbly in the slightest. In fact, it was almost as if she had no knee cap, so elegant and smooth was the transition from thigh to shin. I spent a good hour later that night kissing her legs, and much of the time was spent around that knee, trying to understand the engineering marvel that it was. Her calves, though, were the coup de grace. They were also strong, and shapely, and thick just to the right thickness (I. E. , substantial without looking thick). They were the calves of an athlete, which means they looked really prime and impressive. The calves tapered nicely to ankles that were slender and delicate. The proportion of lower leg to upper leg was also just right. Often (especially with East Asian women), the lower leg is disproportionately short compared to the upper leg, but not her.

So I am busy kissing her shoulders and her arms, when suddenly she gets all shy. She scrambles beneath the blankets and hides there. No, no, no, my dear, this will not do. I must see you. I tried to coax her out of the blankets, but she was adamant. I kept trying, and when it did not work, I decided to join her underneath the covers. But I really wanted to see her full body, out in the open, for my personal visual edification. It would make me a better man, I would see her and other women in a better light, I would gain more respect for women (and their naked bodies when splayed before me for my own gratification). But alas, she would not budge.

So I talked to her, to once again put her at ease. It's hard work being a lecherous man, you know. We spoke about her hometown, we spoke about her childhood, and then we got to the topic of muay thai again. I told her that I both liked it and feared her that she used to do muay thai. But then I frowned a little and said, "Wait, I think you kohok (lie). I don't think you can do boxing. You just say like this so I get scared of you. " She bristled at this suggestion. Her eyes opened wide, and her teeth showed in a kind of playful snarl: it was GREAT! She insisted she knew how to do boxing and kicking. I said, ok, show me. So I stood up, butt nekkid, little Kumbu half erect and bobbing left to right, and I adopted a boxing stance, egging her on. She slapped her hand onto her face and laughed and laughed at the sight of hairy, naked, semi-erect Kumbu feigning a fighting stance. I'm no fighter, and that is obvious, which only added to the hilarity of the situation. I must have been so transparent. I stood on the bed over her, little Kumbu hanging right down towards her, daring her to smack this dick right down.

She took the bait. She stood up, and adopted a sparring stance, naked. I put my arms up to defend myself, and she came at me. She came with a left, which I did not expect, but she soft-balled me to begin with, so I easily parried her blow. But that was the decoy, because without me knowing it, she expertly swept my legs out beneath me, and I fell flat on my ass on the bed, little Kumbu whacking my belly, then the bed, then my thigh. Ouch. She laughed, and I smiled, and enjoyed the scene of her naked body standing above me, in full view. I don't know about you, but I've never enjoyed such an experience with a Thai WG. They tend to be more formal when we get back to the hotel. That's a strange word to use, but I mean it in the strictest sense. Thai WG usually follow the prescribed form for when one gets back to the hotel: shower, slowly warm up, please the man, shower, take money and leave. But this girl was willing to break that mould and indulge in some rather personalized actions. I love it.

Here, now, lying naked at her feet, I was able to fully assess the extent of this girl's physical prowess. Her breasts were, granted, very small. But other than that, we had the archetypal Kumbu physique. Her waist was slender and tight, her hips were wide, her ass was bulging with firm, global flesh, and her legs were long, strong, proportional and very curvy. What struck me, though, was how lanky her limbs were. She really had long arms and legs, which is unusual in Thai WGs. I could totally see how she would do muay thai, and moreover, I could see in the way she moved how naturally athletic she was. She moved with a certain ease, a grace that most Thai WGs do not possess, and I am certain in a foot race between me and her, she would be the victor, as would she in a fist fight. But in a fuck fight, well, she may have met her match. Let's see, shall we?

I stood up, ready to concede the fight, but as I stood up, she took the fighting stance again. This little rascal was enjoying whooping my ass! Ok, let's do it sister, and this time I won't hold back. So I took a half step back, bent my knees, put my fists up, and got ready for whatever expert boxing move she had. We slowly, cautiously circled each other on that king sized bed, no one willing to make the first move. Finally, she took a little playful jab with an open hand toward my protecting hands and I slapped it away with my opposing hand. She did it again, and I slapped it away again. She tried with the other hand, and I slapped it away with the corresponding opposing hand. I then lashed out gently in a similar fashion and suddenly she round-house kicked me right on the side of the head. Whack!

As I was falling, I was (1) horribly humiliated, (2) very angry at her, (3) in great pain on the side of my head, and (4) as fucking turned on as I can ever remember! All I saw was the sight of her crotch as her leg came up to whack me upside my head. Yummy. The blow to the head obviously knocked me off balance, and I landed on the bouncy bed. But with my right arm, I pulled her planted foot out from under her, and she fell to the bed too, both of us bouncing on that bed, nearly breaking it. We laughed and laughed, and after that, the shyness was all done.

She apologized for whacking me so hard, and so she cuddled with me a little, holding my head to her breasts. I played along for 23.5 seconds or so before it became a sexual thing and I started kissing her breasts. I kissed and kissed all over, moving myself onto her and squashing as much breast flesh as I could find together into my hands. I would squash it all together and then try to suck as much of it as I could in one go. She enjoyed that, as did I. I then moved down to her washboard abs, kissing and stroking and enjoying the pleasure of a fit midsection. I kissed the piercing she had in her navel, and I wanted to suckle it a little, but I quickly realized the folly of that plan.

So I moved on down to the real deal. In previous posts, I have provided great detail of how I went about the DATY. But to save Jackson some bandwidth, let me just stipulate that I used many of the same tricks as before, but this time I was not allowed near her asshole. She was very wary of that, and I could only guess why. But that's ok with me. There are plenty of other treats available here.

Her pussy was also very clean, with no odor besides the very warm, natural odor of the woman herself. She too had a smaller than normal clit (what is it with small-clit Thai women? And I had to pull the same technique as I did with my Diamond from BKK a few nights earlier. And it worked like magic. She was getting hotter and hotter, and moaning louder and louder. It took a good 30 minutes, but in the end, she finally did climax, and it was very obvious too. When done, she grabbed me by my hair and yanked me off her, tossed me to the side like the piece of garbage that I am and whimpered just a little.

Poor thing was over-sensitive, and needed to be left untouched for a few moments. She was breathing heavily, and she was hiding her face, and whimpering. I remained silent, keeping my distance, partly because I know what it is like to be over-sensitive after orgasm, and partly because I feared if I got too close, she would clean my clock with a single blow to the temple. A few moments passed, perhaps 60 seconds, and she looked up at me and smiled sheepishly. She whispered something about how I was not supposed to be able to do that, and then she whimpered a little more. I got the feeling that she had not orgasmed for quite a while. A good, well-practised DATY expert like Kumbu is often the liniment for that particular ailment.

We stayed in that position for a further 2-3 minutes, while little Kumbu began to fade. Hmm, I was not feeling that need to avoid sullying the memory of this DATY without sex, like I had with Whan earlier that night and Diamond in BKK a week earlier. No, I wanted to fuck this girl, and I wanted to fuck her hard. It might have had something to do with the fact that she round-house kicked me in my head, or perhaps it was that I had been erect and oozing precum for 5 of the last 8 hours (2 hours with Whan, with no ejaculation, and 3 hours with this girl). Whatever the reason, little Kumbu was on the express bus to pussy town, one way or another.

But she was feeling really sensitive, and she did not want to be touched. So I decided to keep myself active by gently jerking myself off. Well, jerking myself *off* implies to ejaculation, doesn't it? That is not what I was doing. I was just stimulating little Kumbu to try to maintain the stiffy, to keep the juices flowing while she recovers, and then we can go at it in good faith.

She sees me doing this and she moans. The moan was not 'oh man, he wants to have sex,' it was 'oh man, I have failed him in that he has to pleasure himself when I am unable to do it myself. ' So she slaps my hand away from little Kumbu indignantly, as if I had intruded on her turf. She grabs the little guy by the scruff of the dick and sticks him gruffly into her mouth. Now, I tell you, that takes some level of commitment. I've always wondered how women are able to just stick a dick into their mouths. If I were a woman, I would be the kind that we here on ISG all despise: the kind that refuses to offer BBBJ. It seems like a nasty business, but in this case in particular. You see, little Kumbu had been precumming for hours, and there were gobs and gobs of the stuff all over him, and being released in streams all the time. And she just stuck him in her mouth and sucked away, very happily. Impressive.

Her technique was not that great. Actually, let's be frank here, it was pretty bad. She was somehow stretching the base of little Kumbu, causing pain there, and teeth kept getting jammed into the head, causing pain there. But occasionally, in between those pangs of pain, she got some good rhythm going and it was actually pleasurable. The way I thought of this was it was just a way to maintain a stiffy while her pussy regains its ability to be pounded, so it does not matter how good she is. Once in a while, I would offer her encouragement (when she was in her rhythm), and when things got painful, I would gently ease her away from those actions. Yes, Ajan Kumbu is always thinking about imparting wisdom to the next generation.

I let this go on just as long as I could, until I sensed that she was ready to go at it. I figured this out because she came closer to me and let me stroke her ass and her legs again: a surefire sign that her sensitivity has subsided. But suddenly I had her ass available to me to grope rather freely, so rather than end the BBBJ and move on to the sex, I thought I would indulge in some ass groping for a while. And oh boy what a great decision. Her cheeks were full, firm, round and gorgeous. The skin was not quite as smooth as I would have liked, but it was definitely a Grade A ass.

But the interesting thing was her butt hole itself. I'm not sure how to describe this, but let me try. If you imagine looking at a woman's ass as she stands naked, facing away from you. Mmmmm, yummy. . . Ok, focus Kumbu. Right, imagine her two butt cheeks, and imagine the spot that is the apex of the curvature on each ass cheek. This is the spot that is the most distant from the center of her body, that protrudes the furthest. Ok, got it? Now, imagine that you are a tiny, horny little man, the size of a small coin, and your job is to find your way into her warm, aromatic asshole. You are standing at the peak of her butt, so what path would you take into her asshole? Well, you would simply turn inwards, and take the most delightful carnival slide down the slope of that cheek into the abyss below, right? You're all with me? We've all had that fantasy, right? It can't have been just me.

Well, with her, that carnival slide took a very precipitous route. It wasn't like a gentle, even slope into the butthole, no, somehow there was a full--on canal between the outside of her ass cheeks and into the actual surface of the butthole. So her ass cheeks closed off in the middle, and there was a well defined canal that was a good 2 inches in length that eventually lead to her asshole. Usually, when you grab an ass, you can finger the asshole right there. But her asshole was hidden down this 2-inch well, the well of assholes, so to speak. It was unusual, a physical characteristic that I have never seen before. She was a little wary of this, and as she realized that I was discovering her little oddity, she pulled her ass away from me.

So she then drops little Kumbu from her mouth. I find the Trojan, and so it began.

Her pussy was still very wet, and despite the dryness of my unlubricated Trojan, I had no issue with entrance. Little Kumbu's head slipped right in, perhaps a little too fast, so I pulled back a little. I don't like to go straight into the full-on fucking right away, preferring to warm up to it. I inserted the head a little and just sat there for a moment, on my knees, partially inserted in this beautiful, athletic young woman. She was on her back, knees bent and closed tightly against my shoulders, back arched in tension, and mouth open in a silent scream. I held that position, moved my head (the one on my shoulders) around a little until I had just the right vantage point, and took a mental picture of that image. Mmmm, scrumptious.

So little Kumbu was just barely inside of her. I looked down and saw her lips fold outwards, and the bulge of the head forcing open her vagina. Rather than push my way in, I just undulated my hips a little, thereby rotating little Kumbu ever so slightly. This had the effect of pushing open her vagina in all directions. It was like if you have a straw in a glass of lemonade and you want to stir it, you stir the straw, keeping it straight, but turning it with your hand in this small concentric circles. That's what I was doing: stirring her pussy with my little Kumbu straw.

She murmured, not sure if out of pleasure or confusion, but it did not matter. The stirring lasted 20-30 seconds only before I stopped and pulled the head out, just to the surface of her pussy. I then started fresh, inserting little Kumbu's head in, just the head, and holding in that position. There was pressure ahead, meaning her pussy had been opened up with the stirring, but only the opening section. Inside, the flesh was all compacted and pressure packed, like a fresh, maiden snow pack awaiting the ice breaker that is little Kumbu. I raised myself off my knees and assumed the regular missionary position, her knees firmly against my hips, and her feet tied behind me around my ass.

I did a very short stroke into her, like 1 inch or so, held it, then pulled back. Then repeated this. And again. A total of 7 times, and on the 8th stroke, I inserted little Kumbu 3 inches. She gasped. But then I pulled back to the 1-inch cycle, and did 7 repetitions of this 1-inch insertion, and on the 8th repetition, I went 3 inches in. Again, she gasped. I repeated this whole thing (7 x 1-inch, followed by 3-inch) something like 3-4 more cycles, before I changed it up.

Now I moved to a slight variation of this. My short insertion was 2-inches, and my long insertion was 5 inches, and I did this whole cycle something like 5-6 times. And then I moved on to my third and final set, where the short insertion was still 2-inches, but the full one was the length of little Kumbu. I did this once, and she winced in pain. Little Kumbu is somewhat of a misnomer, since his length sometimes does penetrate too deep within Thai women. So despite this girl's strength and athleticism, she could not handle the full Kumbu. Just as an aside, Diamond, the girl I was banging back in BKK, could handle the full Kumbu. That's one of the advantages to picking tall girls.

So I decided to switch things up. Rather than working on the length dimension, I decided to play around with the angles. I imagined little Kumbu was a submariner, you know, one of those guys that does underwater diving with a dive helmet. Google the words "dive helmet" and you will see what I mean. So this intrepid explorer, with his bulbous head, is interested in discovering all the different caves, canals, channels and crevices within this beautiful woman's vagina. My goal, therefore, was to rub little Kumbu along every internal surface of this girl, to see what works for her and what does not.

This means that I now switched from your traditional pumping motion, to a more exploratory motion, involving just some gentle shifting in weight and direction. She was a little puzzled by this, but I ignored her puzzlement. I was entirely fixated on the senses coming to me from little Kumbu, trying to understand the topography of the inner sanctum of this lovely lady. I lifted my body high, using the entrance to her vagina as a fulcrum for little Kumbu, which meant that the head was pointed low into her vagina. I explored the floor of her vagina, moving in and out, left to right. I found in the end that I still needed to pump in and out, just to keep her interested, but also to maintain a systematic method to exploring the landscape. In the end, I found nothing of any note, there, actually.

I repeated this for the left wall, and then the right wall. All of this was fun, and it took up 3-4 minutes of coital bliss, but then I lowered my body, thereby pointing little Kumbu upwards, and started exploring the roof of the vagina. This is where she really came alive, to my surprise. So my body was low, balls rubbing against the bed, her vagina acted as the fulcrum, thereby lifting the head of little Kumbu high against the roof of the vagina, and the top of little Kumbu was therefore pressing up against the inside of her belly. And I probed left and right until up in the right corner of the vagina, I got a sudden and very hot response from her. She gasped and arched her back suddenly. I was not sure if it was pain or pleasure, so I stopped, and her fingers dug into my back, urging me on. Aha, so you likey?

I had found a pleasure center for her. G-spot, I don't think so, at least not according to most descriptions of where this is. But it is not surprising that different girls have pleasure centers in different parts of their vaginas. So I had found one which was working for her, and so I forged ahead. My role had switched from intrepid explorer to an agricultural settler. My job was now to till this most fertile of land into something productive: an orgasmic crop of epic proportions.

I was tiring at this point, and little Kumbu wanted some kind of reward for his multiple-hour effort, going all the way back to his patience with Whan, earlier in the evening. I understand little fella. Thanks for your patience, and I will most definitely make sure you get yours, ok? But she was urging me on, digging her fingernails into my back and into my upper arms, her legs wrapped around my ass, helping me pump, regulating the speed, ensuring that I don't slow down. Ay, the end was nigh.

As I approached the final reckoning, I went for broke. No more of this tactical stroking, no more 'let's explore' bullshit. Now it was [B]fucking[/B] time, hard core. I wriggled my ass free from the leg-vice grip she had me in and unfurled my wings. Little Kumbu revved up for this final lap, and off we went. I pulled out almost entirely, then plunged in 80% of the way (I could not go in 100% because it would hurt her), and then back out. This was as close to a full stroke as I could get, and I did it to my own rhythm. This was Kumbu pleasuring Kumbu, something I think I deserved at this point. The feeling of just fully fucking this girl, right down into her core, was so satisfying, so fulfilling, it produced a moment of clarity, a singularity of consciousness, that turned my mind inside out. Everything was glowing, everything was radiating heat, everything was energy, there was nothing that was unworthy of praise, and the world was a good place. In and out, in and out, pulled all the way out, and plunged deep, deep into this woman, ah yes, this is the essence of male sexual expression.

The expression gained in intensity, and little Kumbu went from making a low-level murmur to mid-level pitch, raising the tessitura in the process. But a few moments later, the tessitura raised once more, slowly winding up, raising to the unmistakable crescendo that we all know and recognize. And as we approached, little Kumbu was now in a full-throated countertenor, releasing all energy and all emotion into the action of fucking. As I tipped over that summit and began the sudden descent into freefall, my body joined the chorus, with all my muscles straining to participate. It was a full-body orgasm, an orchestral supernova, searing in intensity and utterly, utterly satisfying.

I crashed down onto her, both of us sweaty and panting, and she held my head to her breast as she muttered incoherently in the Isaan language.

I don't remember what happened after that. I think I fell asleep, little Kumbu still inside her, condom on, pussy juice all over my face still. I awoke later that morning sleeping next to her, all cleaned up somehow. The details of the ensuing morning fuck will come in my next post. But I close this post simply by saying that all the hunting, digging, walking, and negotiating was all worth it in the end. This was an experience for the ages, and one that I will cherish. The fact that I blacked out afterwards tells you about the intensity of both the lead up to the act, but also the act itself. Yes, the addiction has been well and truly fed, thereby ensuring that the Chronicles of Kumbu will most certainly continue for years to come.

Now, that was incredible! I really think you ought you try writing hard core romance and sex novels about your worldwide adventures. Use a pseudonym, if your penitentiary warden won't allow you to use your real name! I am being serious now! You really are a talented dude, and an awesome writer to boot!

And, I am so happy that you ended up with the best of happy endings! I just wish I were at Insomnia tonight! Alas, I gotta wait for about 6 months.

Thanks again dude! May the force be with you. Hang on. No! Since you are probably a Vulcan or some other alien life form I will just 🖖 🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖

Oh Kumbu the great!

WOW! What can I say?! This is perhaps the best report you have ever written. Your "Old Man and the Sea"! Beautiful beautiful prose. I will be reading and rereading this shot story for years to come.

In many cities around the world they have bronze status for the great writers. We should figure out a way to honor you in the same spirit here on ISG. You are a treasure of our mongering nation.

A couple of inital comments as I digest and dissect this epic tome:

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1895849] I just lost interest in this girl. What a fucking spoiled child of a monger I am, right? Super hot, lovely bum wiggle, very well adorned, excellent legs, nice attitude. But nooooo, not good enough for Mr. Picky here. Kumbu must have more. Always more.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean. Isn't it funny how quickly we can get so picky? The girls we brush aside here we'd be daydreaming about if we met them back home. Sometimes this pickiness can hurt us. But this night you were rewarded by an experience of a lifetime. So I guess it may payoff in the long run.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1895849] Now, imagine that you are a tiny, horny little man, the size of a small coin, and your job is to find your way into her warm, aromatic asshole. You are standing at the peak of her butt, so what path would you take into her asshole? Well, you would simply turn inwards, and take the most delightful carnival slide down the slope of that cheek into the abyss below, right? You're all with me? We've all had that fantasy, right? It can't have been just me.][/QUOTE]WTF?! How do you come up with this stuff? You had me in tears with this one, my friend. I will never look at a girls' buthole again without imagining I am a "horny little man the size of a small coin". . 555!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1895894] I think I fell asleep[/QUOTE]I know I did after the first sentence. This shit is why posts should be limited for no talent(wanna-b) romance novelists! How about practicing your fifty-shades on pen and paper!

Finally back in Pattaya after 2. 5 months. Extremely jet lagged trying to regain energy for WS tonight. I did manage a quick stroll down Soi 6 this afternoon. More girls than expected during slow season. nothing special I needed to squeeze in before seeing my regular girl. Spoke with a few who confirmed business is slow. Met up with my favorite soi 6 girl only to find out she got fakes while I was away. My search begins for a replacement. I'm sure it won't be hard.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;1896101]I know I did after the first sentence. This shit is why posts should be limited for no talent(wanna-b) romance novelists! How about practicing your fifty-shades on pen and paper![/QUOTE]If you don't like his posts and feel like they clutter up your screen why don't you just hit the ignore option? You will never see them again.

There are plenty of other members (me included) who really enjoy reading them.

Hi,

I am new in Thailand pages and I am not familiar with the terminology.

Could someone explain me these 3 words please, thanks.

ST = short time (1 pop)??

LT = long time (2 pop)?

BF?

[b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]There is a link labeled "[u]Abbreviations[/u]" in the menu bar at the top of this page. This will take you to the Forum's Glossary where you will find a chart with most of the Terms & Abbreviations used in the Forum. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue]

No One is forcing you to read his posts I find them not only entertaining but helpful for a monger to Thailan.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1896203]There are plenty of other members (me included) who really enjoy reading them.[/QUOTE]I love reading Kumbu's posts for the intricate detail. This is sheer talent, gifted almost. I enjoy it thoroughly, albeit the time it consumes. Most entertaining.

[QUOTE=Striker2;1896271]No One is forcing you to read his posts I find them not only entertaining but helpful for a monger to Thailan.[/QUOTE]But, IMHO, informative it is not. There is little fresh intelligence added, by way of the post, to the thread. Come to think of it, the thread has been so dry for fresh information, that these long posts start looking informative.

[QUOTE=Gncmn;1896233]Hi,

I am new in Thailand pages and I am not familiar with the terminology.

Could someone explain me these 3 words please, thanks.

ST = short time (1 pop)??

LT = long time (2 pop)?

BF?

[b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]There is a link labeled "[u]Abbreviations[/u]" in the menu bar at the top of this page. This will take you to the Forum's Glossary where you will find a chart with most of the Terms & Abbreviations used in the Forum. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/QUOTE]As you have put it yourself ST means short time and is understood for one pop. While LT is long time, meaning more than one pop. Could be two or more but usually two. It all depends upon what you negotiate with the girl. When girl stays overnight with you, it could be more than two pops if she allows it or you have explicitly discussed earlier. BF denotes bar fine which is the amount you pay at the bar or go go club to take the girl out of the place.

[QUOTE=Gncmn;1896233]Hi,

I am new in Thailand pages and I am not familiar with the terminology.

Could someone explain me these 3 words please, thanks.

ST = short time (1 pop)??[/QUOTE]Maximum two hours or one pop, whichever comes first. However, as everything in Thailand, it is open for negotiations and I had some ST with two pops.

[QUOTE=Gncmn;1896233]LT = long time (2 pop)?[/QUOTE]Generally this is for an overnight session. Usually two pops before going to sleep and one more to take care of the morning wood. It is advisable to make certain when she wants to go home. Some girls define "morning" as something like 5 AM and they want to be out of your room by 6 AM!

[QUOTE=Gncmn;1896233]BF?[/QUOTE]Barfine. The money paid to the bar or club to allow you to take her out of the bar. In some countries this is called "early work release". The rationale is that you indemnify the bar for the wages they pay her and the missing income she brings to the bar by convincing patrons to buy drinks. In reality it is just the cut the bar takes for her services. Can be as low as 300 baht for a Soi 6 girl or as high as 1500 baht or more for some agogo dancers. Generally it is non negotiable. Funny enough it is the same price for ST or LT. I once even had to pay it for a girl on her day off. Yes, this is Thailand where ordinary logic does not apply.

What a great story man.

I have seen a lot of report here, but this one is unique.

Thanks for sharing.

Keep on rocking!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1896374]
But, IMHO, informative it is not. There is little fresh intelligence added, by way of the post, to the thread. Come to think of it, the thread has been so dry for fresh information, that these long posts start looking informative.[/QUOTE]I am glad all of us are sticking up for our friend. I really enjoy his posts and this site would be worse off without them.

As for his posts being informative, it is still, it's good to get some impressions on the zeitgest from a reliable source. Also he does give some more specific info about girls he encountered their Gogo#s, prices and his experience with them.

In all fairness, how much really is there more for us to know about Patts?? 555. We've really covered this subject ad nauseum. BR, WS, Ibar, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soapies, Beer Bar areas, Soi Bukhao, have all been raked over the coals.

I guess an IDEAL new posts (as for as info goes) would deal with some new mongering area we don't know about or give us specifics on girls with their pics.

Thanks friends, for those of you who enjoy my reports and see the value in them. I appreciate it a great deal. I would also say that you should ignore the trolls: they always come out at some point. If you look back at my posting history, you will see occasional flame wars, often provoked by my style of writing (which is why I precede all my visits to LOS with a general disclaimer to hit the Ignore link if you dislike my posts). I have, unfortunately, responded to the negative comments sometimes, like the following post, which I very much regret:

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1454723]I really think we all need to change the tone of this forum. Why are we ripping people down all the time? Why can't we just be slightly nicer people and encourage reports of all kinds? We can then correct any inaccuracies, and let everything else fly. So the fuck what if there was no name in the report? There is plenty of other info in there. So the fuck what if he paid slightly over the going rate? Point it out in a respectful manner and move on. So the fuck what if he boned the fat girl and not the skinny one? Just let it go. You don't actually *have* to make a snarky comment about each and every thing posted here.[/QUOTE]So now, I ignore my detractors, and just post my field reports. Speaking of which, here is the next report, in which I describe the morning-after with Mina, the athletic boxing girl from Insomnia. There is nothing spectacular here, just some deep throating, me revealing how physically weak I am, some quick sex, and that's about it. But it completes my experience in Pattaya, which is why I post it nonetheless.

* * * * * * * *.

I awoke with her face beneath the blankets, resting on my belly. She had little Kumbu in her hand, gently clasping it, and she had little Kumbu resting right on her face. She was fast asleep, but she was sleeping with little Kumbu, shriveled and turtled, over her nose and her eyes. It was as if she was nuzzling with little Kumbu just before she fell asleep. Odd, to say the least.

She was asleep, resting peacefully beneath little Kumbu, after a night of sparring and fucking. What a night. I've never experienced such abandon with a Thai WG. They tend to be very friendly and social, but never do they break the mould of social decorum the way this girl did. I mean, it would be one thing if she pretend-sparred with me, humored me a little, took a couple of jabs and pokes, and then moved on to the more scripted sex. But that's not what she did. She humored me for 30 seconds or so, but then just took a sledge hammer to my ego. She did not hold back, which is the surprising thing. I then proceeded to fuck her really hard, and I did not hold back either, so I suppose we are even.

I had pussy juice stuck all over my face, and I could feel it still. Not a good idea. After immersing yourself in human liquid, it's a good idea to wash off before sleeping. Bacteria love such things, and I fear the worst at this point. I want to wake up and scrub my face, but I am so damned sleepy still. I see on the clock that it is 8:20 am, so I still have some time before I have to leave for BKK. She knows I am leaving for BKK, and so she knows I will have to wake her early.

I set my timer to wake us in one hour, and fall back asleep. When the alarm goes off, I wake up, pull her head from beneath little Kumbu, drag myself out of bed and go take a shower. I wash myself well, especially my face, and when I get out, I am feeling much better. I see she is stirring, and I sit next to her and caress her cheek. She moans, looks up at me, and cracks a smile. Not saying a word, she gets up, kisses me on the cheek, and goes off to shower. She comes out 5 minutes later and is expressionless.

She sits next to me, and suddenly I feel a stirring. She's wearing a towel only, and when she sits down, the towel comes up to the middle of her thighs. That is one of the most lovely sights in human existence: freshly washed thighs. Mmmmm. Moreover, the way she was holding them (closed, slightly angled towards me, her feet on tippy-toes) somehow added to their luster, and little Kumbu was suddenly making some serious demands of me. She was on my left, with my left hand in hers, but my right hand was free, so I gently reached over and placed it on the inside of her right knee. Oooooh.

I was not sure she was interested in another round at this point. We'the really only recently finished our last round, and slept just a few hours, but hey, I was game, so maybe she was too. I put my hand on her knee and watched intently to gauge her reaction. My breathing stopped as I watched, so intensely was I hoping for a positive reaction. In fact, no reaction came at first. She just sat there, motionless, neither acknowledging my hand, nor trying to remove it. I think she was trying to figure out what she wanted to do. Eventually she puts her other hand ontop of mine, and rubs the top ever so slightly, as if to say, 'go for it champ'. So champ went for it.

So I slipped my hand further up her thigh, and just felt the warm, buttery flesh right there on the inside of her mid-thigh. Oh my. That flesh was both soft and firm at the same time. I mean, it was firm as a whole, but the skin itself was supremely soft, softer than anything on my entire body. I ran my hand up and down the inside of her thigh, and slowly we started to kiss. I usually don't like kissing. It is far too intimate an act, and one that feels forced, contrived, untrue. Yes, this whole thing (girl from Insomnia pickup thing) in a way is one big charade, a farce of sorts, and so what difference does the intimacy of a kiss make? But it does, for some reason. I think it is because of the hesitancy on the part of Thai WGs to kiss. I don't know this for sure (I'm no anthropologist), but I suspect the Thai culture is less of a kissing culture than say, the French culture. I suspect Thai people express their intimacy in different ways, kissing being one of them, but my guess is that there are plenty of other tools for the expression of intimacy. As such, if kissing is not the most natural expression of intimacy, when a Thai WG does engage in kissing, it feels awkward to me. Usually.

In this case, though, it did not. We kissed for a good five minutes, with not very much tongue, as I fondled her inner thigh gently with my right hand. I eventually got impatient and moved my kissing to under her ear, and this turned her on significantly. The towel began to loosen under her arm, and so I gently tugged it free, to reveal her oh-so-awesomely tight and fit torso again. This time, though, the sun was out, and I could see it in proper lighting. And this torso was just spectacular. Perfect skin, perfect tone, perfect musculature, and zero fat. I ran both my hands up and down her torso, from just beneath her breasts down to her hips, and back up again. I did this slowly, over and over again, as I continued to nuzzle and kiss her behind her ear, her neck, her jawline, and occasionally her lips.

The towel was now off completely, and her entire body was fully exposed. I moved my kissing downwards. I kissed her breasts just pro forma, and then went down to her tightest, sexiest of bellies. I then moved down her hips, by passing the pussy, and down to her upper thighs. She was lying down now on the bed, so I lifted one leg up into the air and kissed all around the thigh. I circled the thigh slowly, moving slowly towards the knee, kissing all the way around the leg as I moved knee-ward. Once I got to the knee, I once again marveled at the utter lack of a visible knee cap. These legs were amazing in that the thigh just melted into the shin somehow, without the breaking-up of the leg by the knee cap. Amazing, simply amazing.

I kissed that capless knee for a good 10 minutes, slowly moving millimeter by millimeter, trying to commit to memory every crevice, every runnel, every fissure in the skin. It was glorious leg worship, in the glorious morning sunshine of the glorious City of Pattaya. As I kissed the back of her knee, one of the most supremely erotic parts of the female body for me, I became aware of the glory of this moment, and I paused for a moment, inhaled deeply to take in the scent of this woman, looked at her legs, and sighed to myself.

I worked my way down to her calves, whose shape I knew from last night was the thing of wet dreams. I most thoroughly enjoyed munching on her tender yet firm calves, although it must be said that there were numerous scars on her calves (later, I learned, these are attributed to myriad motorcycle accidents). After getting down to her ankles, I moved over to the other leg, and made the reverse peregrination back up towards her pubic mount. Along the way, I dilly dallied around the knee again, just because of the unique pleasure that was her capless knee.

When I got passed her knee, I found my face enmeshed in her soft, silky thigh flesh. I started to suck up that flesh, to just grab it with both hands and to try to stuff it into my greedy mouth. I was feeling so utterly gluttonous, so rapacious; I was just grabbing all the flesh I could and cramming it into my hands and mouth trying to almost inhale and ingest everything. I was possessed by the thigh, and had lost all control over myself. It was the most mad scene of leg worship I have ever engaged in, and it was just simply superb.

I guess this was tickling her, or perhaps hurting her, because she giggled and pulled me up after about only 20 seconds of this. I wanted more, so I went back to it, but she pulled me back up after another 20 seconds, after which I took the hint. She sat up, and then she did something unusual. She stood up, and pulled me up into a standing position. Little Kumbu slapped her hip mazily.

She stood in front of me, smiling, naked, and then she leaned in, stretched her body a little and kissed my neck. She kissed downward, past the thicket of chest hair, down past the navel and down to the thoroughly tumefied little Kumbu, who was now pointing to 2 o'clock, purple as a sweet potato, and dripping wet with precum. I stood there, she on her knees, as she impaled herself right onto little Kumbu. She did not suck, her lips did not touch little Kumbu, but she deep-throated the little guy all the way back into her throat. I felt the head bump against the back of the throat, and she paused there, but then she pushed him back a little more, and I *think* I heard her gag a little. But she held it for a moment, and then slowly closed her lips around the base of little Kumbu. And she held that posture.

And held it.

And held it.

She did not move. She was not breathing either. It was surreal. With the morning sunshine washing in from the window across her ass, I stood there, arms akimbo, as this beautiful 22 year old Thai WG, former boxer, held her mouth tight around my genitals, enclosing the entirety of my manhood within her mouth, for a good 20 seconds.

Finally, FINALLY, she pulled back a little and released the air from her lungs and gasped in through her nostrils, as she slow sucked her way back up the shaft. When she got to the head, we both knew a BBBJ was probably not the best idea, so she pulled out, I grabbed a condom, and slapped it on, and she then hopped into my arms.

Ooof. I'm not as strong as I used to be, fellas. Hell, who am I kidding, I probably was never strong enough. But I gave it my damndest to try to insert little Kumbu into her vagina while holding her in my arms. My motivation was the thought of fucking her while standing up, holding her in my arms. This seemed like a really good, PSE type idea. But after fumbling around with my hands, almost dropping her twice, little Kumbu getting squashed between my hip and her left ass cheek, and a near-rip of the condom, I decided this was not the best idea after all.

So I put her down on the day bed (picture in my post about Whan), turned her around so she was on all fours, with me standing behind her, and in goes little Kumbu. There was no earth-shattering experience this time, just some really good doggie style fucking. I was able to get a really good view of the tunnel that is her asshole, and it was weird indeed, though not abnormal per se. Anyway, the sex lasted perhaps 3-4 minutes, just straight in and out business with the aim of getting to ejaculation ASAP. And after those 3-4 minutes, I orgasmed, and I believe I was the only one to have that pleasure. Sorry, Mina.

I showered first, and while she was showering, I needed to pack up my stuff and check out. It was nearly 11:30 am, and check out time was noon. I also needed to get back to BKK in a hurry. So as I pack, she comes out, and I tell / remind her that I need to go back to BKK, and she starts saying something in a mournful voice, something I did not understand at first. Then after the third or fourth iteration of it, I figured out what she was saying (forgive my transcription): ppay duuuey! Meaning (I think), 'I want to go too!

For one, very brief moment of utter insanity, I considered taking her along with me. I mean, the sex had been great, there was a lot more exploration of this fabulous athlete's body to be done, and she was not particularly needy, as far as I could tell. But then, luckily, sense prevailed. I've done this four times in the past ten years: take a Pattaya girl (FL girl or gogo girl) back to BKK with me. All four have been great sex-wise, but they have ended up being more melodramatic than anything else. This is the first step towards a heavier relationship, and in the past I was into that. But now, I was in no mood for any strings. I was here for the reckless abandon of anonymous, paid sex, and did not want any kind of prolonged relationship.

So I deflected at first. Then when it came up again (ppay duuey), I looked forlongingly at her, and then changed subject. But the third time it came up, I had to deal with it head on. I told her that she could not, because I worked in BKK, and that I was going back to America soon. She looked down, grit her teeth slightly, and nodded.

So she dressed, and when it was time for her to leave, I walked her to the door, held her tight for a few moments, kissed her on the forehead, and said good bye. She walked out, and walked down the long hallway towards the elevator. I peeked my head out to take a look at her, and rather than feel longing or affection for her, as a normal, caring human being would, all I could do was look at her legs, and her ass as it swayed left and right. Cold-hearted of me, indeed, but there is the unvarnished truth of it.

By the way, I paid her 2500 baht (slipped into her purse while she was showering, she did not even ask for it or look for it).

So in sum, this girl was super. She offered me unrestricted sex, very free and wild, along with some physical abuse (meted out by her to me) to go along with it. She never asked me for any amount of money, nor did I intimate that she would receive money. It was all understood that if she took care of me, I would take care of her. And I believe the deal was honored, on both ends. And in fact, she said as much in a text message later that day.

Often, on the bus or in the taxi back to BKK after a jaunt in Pattaya, I feel a sense of regret at leaving Pattaya. I feel there is so much more to gain in Pattaya and I am leaving all too soon. But this time, even though it had only been two days, and one of them was something of a failure, I left feeling very content and satisfied.

I do believe that Pattaya has changed in the last few years. Prices have gone up (but so have they gone up everywhere else in the world), and the gogo hustle has become much more intense. But the Insomnia girls are amazingly good. There is so much on offer there, with so many different price points, that anyone can find their mate for the night there. So I am not pessimistic about Pattaya at all. To newbies, if reading some of the doom and gloom reports here on ISG is giving you second thoughts, then put those second thoughts aside. Go to Pattaya. If you have patience, a good attitude and a little bit of cash, you will definitely find a sexual experience worthy of your wet dreams there.

Now on to my last one and a half days in BKK. . .

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;1896101]I know I did after the first sentence. This shit is why posts should be limited for no talent(wanna-b) romance novelists! How about practicing your fifty-shades on pen and paper![/QUOTE]There are a lot of the. H. Lawrence wannabes on ISG but anybody who has issues with Kumbu's posts is just simply jealous of his adventures, his highly entertaining writing style or most likely both. So refreshing to read instead of the repetitive drivel about fake noses and what my girlfriend likes. So Kumbu don't be put off, keep posting.

I discovered I-Bar / Insomnia on my last trip but didn't spend much time there. Kumbu's recent post (about 2-3 Kumbu posts ago) about Insomnia was informative and provided insight to me about how Insomnia works and how to check out the scene. And as usual, the report was very entertaining.

As has been stated here many times--hit the ignore button to make these posts disappear if you choose not to read them.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1896467]I am glad all of us are sticking up for our friend. I really enjoy his posts and this site would be worse off without them.

As for his posts being informative, it is still, it's good to get some impressions on the zeitgest from a reliable source. Also he does give some more specific info about girls he encountered their Gogo#s, prices and his experience with them.

In all fairness, how much really is there more for us to know about Patts?? 555. We've really covered this subject ad nauseum. BR, WS, Ibar, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soapies, Beer Bar areas, Soi Bukhao, have all been raked over the coals.

I guess an IDEAL new posts (as for as info goes) would deal with some new mongering area we don't know about or give us specifics on girls with their pics.[/QUOTE]Now that you put it in perspective, I have to agree that every street with any mongering potential has been mentioned or chronicled in some manner on this thread. That is why I specifically wrote FRESH INFORMATION.

Gosh! It just reminded me of how long I have been going there. Thanks for getting me back on ground Uncle V.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1896636]
Gosh! It just reminded me of how long I have been going there. Thanks for getting me back on ground Uncle V.[/QUOTE]Scary thoughts indeed. 555.

But they won't keep us form comign back again and again.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1896690]Scary thoughts indeed. 555.

But they won't keep us form comign back again and again.[/QUOTE]Wild horses could not keep me away. Back there next week for a short trip.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1896467]In all fairness, how much really is there more for us to know about Patts?? 555. We've really covered this subject ad nauseum. BR, WS, Ibar, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soapies, Beer Bar areas, Soi Bukhao, have all been raked over the coals. [/QUOTE]People keep discussing same places over and over. Several spots barely got a mention here (maybe once, with scant details), for instance BJ massages behind Soi Buakao, Thai spots near Esso and off Thapphraya. I'm sure many places got no mentions at all. It is even more the case when it comes to places elsewhere in Thailand (even in Bangkok, many places get zero mentions). Moreover, whenever the "off the beaten track" posts do appear, they apparently generate very little interest or discussion. Either us mongers are not on average a very adventurous bunch, or those who are adventurous seldom care to write much about it.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1896799] Thai spots near Esso and off Thapphraya. [/QUOTE]Where are the spots off Thapphraya?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1896799]People keep discussing same places over and over. Several spots barely got a mention here (maybe once, with scant details), for instance BJ massages behind Soi Buakao, Thai spots near Esso and off Thapphraya. I'm sure many places got no mentions at all. It is even more the case when it comes to places elsewhere in Thailand (even in Bangkok, many places get zero mentions). Moreover, whenever the "off the beaten track" posts do appear, they apparently generate very little interest or discussion. Either us mongers are not on average a very adventurous bunch, or those who are adventurous seldom care to write much about it.[/QUOTE]The thai spot I know near Esso is on Sukhumvit Road soi 22 - 20 called also Soi Esso. Which one is off Thapphraya Road?

The problem with the place off the beaten track is that often don't offer much. I been in LE Rouge in Soi Khao Noi, only 3 girls, old and sure "not cute". Similar in other Darkside's bar. So often is you drive on a new road is just a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1896799]....or those who are adventurous seldom care to write much about it.[/QUOTE]Or they wish to covet it all for themselves with no intention of sharing.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1896958]Or they wish to covet it all for themselves with no intention of sharing.[/QUOTE]These little paradise are almost all gone one after another after the internet age. I have seen many once were perfect little men's paradise totally wiped out or market being ruined when it gets too much attention on the cyber space. Look at Chang Ping, Zhuhai, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Yangon, Phnom Penh, Vientiane, ect ect, list goes on.

There are now very very few bright spots left in the whole south east Asia, it takes some effort to get there, there is no longer any big town with lots of fresh green pastures left, what is left is off the beaten path with small scale local scenes. These places are too fragile to put on the world wide web, because a just few groups of hunters will surely ruin the scenes.

There is still a soi left in Thep Prasit, but it is no longer like the heydays, last trip I drove around there last year, only a few shops semi open, some are open but you won't know unless you know it's open, very few good lookers hang around too long, the good ones are gone and move to gogo bars or soapie very quickly when they know their value. Look for Nakata hotel, they can call for you as well, don't expect too much, it's no longer 2006.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1897065]These little paradise are almost all gone one after another after the internet age. I have seen many once were perfect little men's paradise totally wiped out or market being ruined when it gets too much attention on the cyber space. Look at Chang Ping, Zhuhai, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Yangon, Phnom Penh, Vientiane, ect ect, list goes on.

There are now very very few bright spots left in the whole south east Asia,.......................... These places are too fragile to put on the world wide web, because a just few groups of hunters will surely ruin the scenes.

.[/QUOTE]Such a depressing post, but it's all so true, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1897065]These little paradise are almost all gone one after another after the internet age. I have seen many once were perfect little men's paradise totally wiped out or market being ruined when it gets too much attention on the cyber space. Look at Chang Ping, Zhuhai, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Yangon, Phnom Penh, Vientiane, ect ect, list goes on.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that many places are getting wiped out, but it's mostly not due to the internet. For instance, Lao places in Udon and Nong Khai have been closed after the coup, with army trying to undermine income base of the police, plus punish the regular (non-wealthy) Issan men for opposing them. Those places have been known on the internet for 10-15 years before the closures, but still not many non-local Farang went there. I think the main cause of the demise is that these places often get too big / visible for their own good (more due to locals than foreigners), and in the long term economics (wages rising above livable levels) and demographics (birth rates have plummeted everywhere, and with them the supply of poor women in their 20's). Moreover, when political winds change, it's easy for the authorities to score an easy win by closing down those places. And once closed, even if reopened, they almost never regain the old glory.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1896839]Where are the spots off Thapphraya?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I meant Therpprasit Soi 8 (about 1 km east from interesction with Thapphraya).

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1896474]To newbies, if reading some of the doom and gloom reports here on ISG is giving you second thoughts, then put those second thoughts aside. Go to Pattaya. If you have patience, a good attitude and a little bit of cash, you will definitely find a sexual experience worthy of your wet dreams there.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. My total experience to the mongering activities in LOS date back only to April of last year. That is my reference point. I can read of how it used to be, but all I know is how it is now, and it is great. I guess it all depends on your frame of reference. So, while I can accept that the girls might not be as overwhelming beautiful, friendly, accommodating and, certainly, nowhere near as cheap as they once were, it is still an awesome place, and with the world a changing, Pattaya, and especially Phuket, may not be around as we know them to be within a few decades. Newbies, don't wait too long. Before long us old new guys will be complaining about the old days when back in 2016, you could get laid on Soi 6 with a cute 22 why / o spinner for only 1300 baht.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1897586]Absolutely. My total experience to the mongering activities in LOS date back only to April of last year. That is my reference point. I can read of how it used to be, but all I know is how it is now, and it is great. I guess it all depends on your frame of reference. So, while I can accept that the girls might not be as overwhelming beautiful, friendly, accommodating and, certainly, nowhere near as cheap as they once were, it is still an awesome place, and with the world a changing, Pattaya, and especially Phuket, may not be around as we know them to be within a few decades. Newbies, don't wait too long. Before long us old new guys will be complaining about the old days when back in 2016, you could get laid on Soi 6 with a cute 22 why / o spinner for only 1300 baht.[/QUOTE]I have never been to a destination where I don't hear it was better in the past. Usually the reference point is ten years.

I don't know about the rest of you but I don't know anywhere that stays the same for ten years except in my own country.

For the past ten years it been hard as hell to get some sex without all the bullshit that comes with it. In my country guys tell me it was worse then that ten years ago. LOL.

That is why I stay in Thailand.

There's a little discussion going on in the BKK thread about Cialis, and I thought I would post this here, since it did make a difference to me in Pattaya.

The night before I came to Pattaya I had some performance issues in a threesome in BKK. So when I got to Pattaya, I looked for some Levitra. Cialis does not work for me; Viagra has some negative side effects, and while Kamagra is a little better than Viagra in terms of side-effects, it's very similar (same active ingredient, I think). So Levitra is the only one that works for me.

I only needed one tablet, since I usually only take 5 MG of the stuff and it works wonders. So one tablet would be 4 doses. I went to about a dozen pharmacies all around Beach Rd, 2nd Rd and in the sois in between and got one of the same two stories. Either they did not carry Levitra (plenty of Viagra and Cialis though), or they could only sell me a packet of four 20 MG Levitra. I asked for them to split it, and they said they could only sell loosies for Viagra or Cialis. The cost for four Levitra was listed at one pharmacy as 1800 baht, and at another at 1500 baht. One lady said she would sell me one Levitra tablet for 1000 baht (an offer that I declined). Moreover, only one person admitted to having generic vardenafil (which she referred to as "Copppee Lewitaaa", I. E. , Copy Levitra), but she said "cannot sell". I asked why, and she said "no have copy". I said "No have, or can not sell?" and she said "Yes".

My point is that Viagra and Cialis are easy to come by, both in relative bulk but also as single tablets. But Levitra is somewhat of an exotic commodity, and so if that is the only one that works for you (as is the case with me), I would suggest making sure your stock is full before coming to Pattaya.

That is true. I have been reselling ED medicine for years and some of my customers request Levitra. I have never been able to find a generic for it in Asia or South America.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1897605]That is true. I have been reselling ED medicine for years and some of my customers request Levitra. I have never been able to find a generic for it in Asia or South America.[/QUOTE]Good to know. How much for L in Pattaya please? If you prefer, please PM me. But I don't return to Pattaya until Jan. Will be in Pto Pta in Oct though. If you are planning a trip there. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1897605]That is true. I have been reselling ED medicine for years and some of my customers request Levitra. I have never been able to find a generic for it in Asia or South America.[/QUOTE]Wish I had known that you sell the stuff. If you sell loosies, then you may have an advantage over the other pharmacies.

Visited Kinnaree Place yesterday and I was a bit disappointed. There were a bunch of new girls but none all that appealing except for Kung who I will try next visit. Did not see Kund there I hope she's still around. My other girls were there but a bit down saying business has been slow. Definitely had a lot of girls. Maybe 3:1 ratio at 3 pm.

One of my regular girls since Nov asked me for a bigger tip than my 200 baht after a very poor session. She's cut off and I let her know about it. Not sure if I was madder about the poor session or the begging.

Hey guys,

I will going to Pattaya in July. Are are any establishments that offer nuru massages, or would I have to make do with soapies? Tried reading the forum from about 50 pages back but could not find any info.

Regards,

Keshtel.

[QUOTE=Keshtel;1897913]Hey guys,

I will going to Pattaya in July. Are are any establishments that offer nuru massages, or would I have to make do with soapies? Tried reading the forum from about 50 pages back but could not find any info.
[/QUOTE]Did you check this thread also? [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3710-Pattaya-Massage-Parlors[/URL] not many message but maybe have some info for you.

Hello,

This is my first report here on this site.

Part one.

Just came back couple of days ago from Pattaya.

Arrived at BKK Int'l airport last Friday night at 8:30 pm Proceeded through immigration and customs to the arrival hall.

Bought a SIM card from dtac and exchanged some cash and dropped my luggage at some luggage keeper (forgot the name, level 1 near the tourist police station).

They charged me 200 baht for 2 days, and I kept one hand bag with me then headed out to the taxi line it was a bit busy that day, agreed with the driver for 1500 baht including toll fees.

We arrived to Pattaya at 11:30 pm and then I took us 30 more minutes from north Pattaya to my hotel through beach road and walking street.

Checked in at Nova Platinum hotel then headed to the room, rested a bit and changed my outfit then down to the streets the time was about 1:00 am.

Arrived to walking street it was a bit crowded then searched for some food as I was very hungry, noticed king sea food rest. Walked in and ordered some Thai food, it was good in general, paid the bill and went out.

Upon many users recommendations I wanted to try Insomnia first, so arrived there it was about 2:30 am, still very crowded.

Checked out the place and headed to the bar area bought a drink and stayed there, while I was checking the area noticed some hot chicks but unfortunately they were occupied, another chicks were on average and below average, some of them weren't my type as they looked so bitchy with there wear and there make up.

1 more hour and I felted tired and sleepy since I didn't slept last time well due to my flight so I was welling to pickup any girl just not to sleep alone the first night.

Fortunately while I was checking around and distributing smiles around I noticed an average looking girl dancing and drinking beside me she was a bit fat and wore a braces but didn't looked a working girl so I smiled then she smiled back.

While I'm inviting her for the bar for a drink her friend arrived, her friend was stunning she looked so sexy and cute in her jeans skirt and short sleeve body top, her body was amazing directly she noticed me checking her and smiled back, quickly then I said Hello, and asked if she wanted to have a drink with me, and yes she agreed, she orders her drink I paid and stared the normal conversation (where are you from, how old are you) then we stared to dancing, kissing, flirting it was 4:30 then at that time I was very sleepy so I asked her if she would join me and she smiled then I told here one night she also smiled and agreed, while her friend was already with another guy dancing and having fun although they chanted in Thai and laughed.

Back to my girl as we were ready to leave I did thought that I need to agree the price with her before leaving as she didn't mention any thing about the money, so I was confused to ask her or not to ask, so I decided to do the trick and asked her if she liked me (BTW I'm an fit body average looking 25 yrs old guy) she smiled and said yes I asked her how much do I need to pay to you, then surprisingly she replied: I pay to you! (although she was so cute, nice body and boobs didn't look like a working girl neither in her outfit nor in her make up).

*Part two tomorrow*.

[QUOTE=Am1010;1898031]This is my first report here on this site.[/QUOTE]Welcome AM1010! I'm very glad you are posting and contributing.

[QUOTE=Am1010;1898031]Back to my girl as we were ready to leave I did thought that I need to agree the price with her before leaving as she didn't mention any thing about the money, so I was confused to ask her or not to ask, so I decided to do the trick and asked her if she liked me (BTW I'm an fit body average looking 25 yrs old guy) she smiled and said yes I asked her how much do I need to pay to you, then surprisingly she replied: I pay to you! (although she was so cute, nice body and boobs didn't look like a working girl neither in her outfit nor in her make up).[/QUOTE]Uh-oh, this sounds fishy. Eager to see how this works out. . .

[QUOTE=Am1010;1898031]*Part two tomorrow*.[/QUOTE]Looking forward to it!

Awesome report. Looking forward to reading the rest. I am a little curious as to why you didn't take all of your luggage to Pattaya instead of leaving much of it at BKK. I also notice you are 25 years old. I sincerely wish I would have been able to get to Thailand at that young age. When I first started going in the late 90's I don't recall seeing any 25 year old falangs there. And I was about 45 years old on my first trip.

Hello again,

This is the second and last report for my trip to Pattaya couple of days ago.

So we went down from Insomina to walking street and it was heavy raining so I bought an umbrella and she told me we can Take the baht bus to the hotel, so found one and he wanted 200 baht for just about 2 km, So I agreed since it was heavy raining.

We arrived to the hotel then proceeded to the room, we took shower And just laid in bed, she told me that she is a freelance tour guide, and she studies Language in school near beach road and she helps her aunt in the beauty saloon in the afternoon And she is living alone in Pattaya as her parents were abroad.

We chatted a bit and started loosing and flirting and we then had round 1 about 30 minutes but unfortunately I couldn't came since I was very tired and exhausted and the condom I used from the hotel mini bar was so tight but she had very awesome body without any scratch or mark very soft.

We cuddled in the bed naked and then she did mention that she wanted to go to temple in the morning and to pass by her aunt shop and then come back at 11.

It was almost 5:30 so we slept and then she woke me up at 7:30 kissed me and said good bye so told that she will call me on 11 when she will finish.

11:30 am while I'm still sleeping she called and told me to be ready by 30 minutes as she would come.

So I woke up took a shower and get ready, after about 25 minutes she called and told me to come down to the lobby as she is arriving, so I went down and saw her and I was very hungry so agreed to go to have breakfast in central festival, and she mentioned that we can go by her car! As she parked it in the hotel parking (at that time I was sure that she is not a working girl).

So we arrived to central festival had breakfast in food park walked around a bit and she suggested we go to a nearby museum so I agreed, so we went there spent some time took some pictures and went out it was almost 4:00 pm.

So told me that she have to go to her room finish something and come back to me at 8:00 to go have dinner.

So she dropped me in the hotel and I went to the room slept for about 2 hours, then she called at 7:00 telling me that she Is coming now, so she came in we then cuddled on the bed and then had round 2, she was super girl friendly and was so hot.

After that we took shower then headed to walking street walking not with her car as the distance was close enough, had dinner at beer garden we sat outside the weather so great, her yesterday friend called her and she invited her to the dinner but she do apologized.

So we had dinner and walked around walking street, and then went to the hotel it was about 10:30 pm she told me that will go to her room finish some homework for Monday and come back at 2:00 am to hit the club.

So at 2:00 am she arrived we went to Insomnia again had some drink danced and had some fun it was about 5:00 am we returned to the room took shower and had round 3 slept cuddling.

She woke me up at 11:00 am we went out for Breakfast then she drove us to her aunt salon, she introduced me to her aunt and to the staff, I had a foot message there and she chatted with her aunt.

Then she suggested we go to the floating maker arrived there the weather was so hot so only stayed there for about 40 minutes then she drove me to Jomitan area as I wanted to see the beach there if it's better than beach road but it looked the same unclear water to swim.

Then we headed to my hotel took some rest and planned for the last dinner as it was my last night as my flight was 4:00 am that day.

So she wanted to go to her room to have shower and change her outfit and she will be back by 8:00 pm so I arranged my stuff took shower then she arrived we slept a bit together and then had our last round 4.

So then she drove to beach road parked there and to the restaurants area, we had dinner at sizzler.

On the way back to hotel I wanted to know how much I need to pay her, as she mentioned to me before that she usually don't go out with men unless she likes him, so in the way back while she was driving I tried to figure out how much I need to pay, she told me you need not to give me anything, if you want you can buy something for me.

But unfortunately it was too late to go buy something for her, because I wanted to check out from hotel and take a cab to BKK, so I told her I would give her cash and you could buy anything you want.

Then we arrived to the hotel room laid in bed together, I handed her 4,000 baht she was so thankful.

Then I checked out from the hotel and she suggested that she will drive me to the airport but I refused as if it was too late for her to come back alone from Bangkok. So went in the taxi kissed her and said good bye.

We had already exchanged line ID's so she kept sending me msgs all the way and that she would be waiting me to comeback.

That's it.

I had an awesome 3 days 2 nights with her.

Willing to come come back in August.

As if Bangkok is my step over airport not my destination returning home.

Usually I had step over a couple of time in Bangkok I used to stay in Bangkok for couple of days.

But now sure I will head direct to Pattaya as it more fun and less crowded than Bangkok.

Thanks for all the info provided here guys.

Unfortunately I hadn't the chance to try beer bars or beach road WS.

But for me one non- working girl experience is worth than hundred.

[QUOTE=Allover;1898226]Awesome report. Looking forward to reading the rest. I am a little curious as to why you didn't take all of your luggage to Pattaya instead of leaving much of it at BKK. I also notice you are 25 years old. I sincerely wish I would have been able to get to Thailand at that young age. When I first started going in the late 90's I don't recall seeing any 25 year old falangs there. And I was about 45 years old on my first trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks man.

I had to keep my luggage at the airport because Bangkok is not my destination it's just a stop over.

Usually I do stop over in BKK couple of times since I work abroad and Bangkok considered to be the middle city for my flight, so hadn't to take all my stuff to Pattaya. Only kept one hand bag with me.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Am1010;1898455]Hello again,

This is the second and last report for my trip to Pattaya couple of days ago.

So we went down from Insomina to walking street and it was heavy raining so I bought an umbrella and she told me we can Take the baht bus to the hotel, so found one and he wanted 200 baht for just about 2 km, So I agreed since it was heavy raining.

We arrived to the hotel then proceeded to the room, we took shower And just laid in bed, she told me that she is a freelance tour guide, and she studies Language in school near beach road and she helps her aunt in the beauty saloon in the afternoon And she is living alone in Pattaya as her parents were abroad.

We chatted a bit and started loosing and flirting and we then had round 1 about 30 minutes but unfortunately I couldn't came since I was very tired and exhausted and the condom I used from the hotel mini bar was so tight but she had very awesome body without any scratch or mark very soft.

We cuddled in the bed naked and then she did mention that she wanted to go to temple in the morning and to pass by her aunt shop and then come back at 11.

It was almost 5:30 so we slept and then she woke me up at 7:30 kissed me and said good bye so told that she will call me on 11 when she will finish.

11:30 am while I'm still sleeping she called and told me to be ready by 30 minutes as she would come.

So I woke up took a shower and get ready, after about 25 minutes she called and told me to come down to the lobby as she is arriving, so I went down and saw her and I was very hungry so agreed to go to have breakfast in central festival, and she mentioned that we can go by her car! As she parked it in the hotel parking (at that time I was sure that she is not a working girl).

So we arrived to central festival had breakfast in food park walked around a bit and she suggested we go to a nearby museum so I agreed, so we went there spent some time took some pictures and went out it was almost 4:00 pm.

So told me that she have to go to her room finish something and come back to me at 8:00 to go have dinner.

So she dropped me in the hotel and I went to the room slept for about 2 hours, then she called at 7:00 telling me that she Is coming now, so she came in we then cuddled on the bed and then had round 2, she was super girl friendly and was so hot.

After that we took shower then headed to walking street walking not with her car as the distance was close enough, had dinner at beer garden we sat outside the weather so great, her yesterday friend called her and she invited her to the dinner but she do apologized.

So we had dinner and walked around walking street, and then went to the hotel it was about 10:30 pm she told me that will go to her room finish some homework for Monday and come back at 2:00 am to hit the club.

So at 2:00 am she arrived we went to Insomnia again had some drink danced and had some fun it was about 5:00 am we returned to the room took shower and had round 3 slept cuddling.

She woke me up at 11:00 am we went out for Breakfast then she drove us to her aunt salon, she introduced me to her aunt and to the staff, I had a foot message there and she chatted with her aunt.

Then she suggested we go to the floating maker arrived there the weather was so hot so only stayed there for about 40 minutes then she drove me to Jomitan area as I wanted to see the beach there if it's better than beach road but it looked the same unclear water to swim.

Then we headed to my hotel took some rest and planned for the last dinner as it was my last night as my flight was 4:00 am that day.

So she wanted to go to her room to have shower and change her outfit and she will be back by 8:00 pm so I arranged my stuff took shower then she arrived we slept a bit together and then had our last round 4.

So then she drove to beach road parked there and to the restaurants area, we had dinner at sizzler.

On the way back to hotel I wanted to know how much I need to pay her, as she mentioned to me before that she usually don't go out with men unless she likes him, so in the way back while she was driving I tried to figure out how much I need to pay, she told me you need not to give me anything, if you want you can buy something for me.

But unfortunately it was too late to go buy something for her, because I wanted to check out from hotel and take a cab to BKK, so I told her I would give her cash and you could buy anything you want.

Then we arrived to the hotel room laid in bed together, I handed her 4,000 baht she was so thankful.

Then I checked out from the hotel and she suggested that she will drive me to the airport but I refused as if it was too late for her to come back alone from Bangkok. So went in the taxi kissed her and said good bye.

We had already exchanged line ID's so she kept sending me msgs all the way and that she would be waiting me to comeback.

That's it.

I had an awesome 3 days 2 nights with her.

Willing to come come back in August.

As if Bangkok is my step over airport not my destination returning home.

Usually I had step over a couple of time in Bangkok I used to stay in Bangkok for couple of days.

But now sure I will head direct to Pattaya as it more fun and less crowded than Bangkok.

Thanks for all the info provided here guys.

Unfortunately I hadn't the chance to try beer bars or beach road WS.

But for me one non- working girl experience is worth than hundred.[/QUOTE]Wow, congrats! You seem like a really nice guy and she seems like a really nice gal. Hope you see her again soon! I'm really glad for you! Cheers!

Buddy buy subscription so you can share her line ID.

[QUOTE=Am1010;1898455]Hello again,

This is the second and last report for my trip to Pattaya couple of days ago.

So we went down from Insomina to walking street and it was heavy raining so I bought an umbrella and she told me we can Take the baht bus to the hotel, so found one and he wanted 200 baht for just about 2 km, So I agreed since it was heavy raining.

We arrived to the hotel then proceeded to the room, we took shower And just laid in bed, she told me that she is a freelance tour guide, and she studies Language in school near beach road and she helps her aunt in the beauty saloon in the afternoon And she is living alone in Pattaya as her parents were abroad.

We chatted a bit and started loosing and flirting and we then had round 1 about 30 minutes but unfortunately I couldn't came since I was very tired and exhausted and the condom I used from the hotel mini bar was so tight but she had very awesome body without any scratch or mark very soft.

We cuddled in the bed naked and then she did mention that she wanted to go to temple in the morning and to pass by her aunt shop and then come back at 11.

It was almost 5:30 so we slept and then she woke me up at 7:30 kissed me and said good bye so told that she will call me on 11 when she will finish.

11:30 am while I'm still sleeping she called and told me to be ready by 30 minutes as she would come.

So I woke up took a shower and get ready, after about 25 minutes she called and told me to come down to the lobby as she is arriving, so I went down and saw her and I was very hungry so agreed to go to have breakfast in central festival, and she mentioned that we can go by her car! As she parked it in the hotel parking (at that time I was sure that she is not a working girl).

So we arrived to central festival had breakfast in food park walked around a bit and she suggested we go to a nearby museum so I agreed, so we went there spent some time took some pictures and went out it was almost 4:00 pm.

So told me that she have to go to her room finish something and come back to me at 8:00 to go have dinner.

So she dropped me in the hotel and I went to the room slept for about 2 hours, then she called at 7:00 telling me that she Is coming now, so she came in we then cuddled on the bed and then had round 2, she was super girl friendly and was so hot.

After that we took shower then headed to walking street walking not with her car as the distance was close enough, had dinner at beer garden we sat outside the weather so great, her yesterday friend called her and she invited her to the dinner but she do apologized.

So we had dinner and walked around walking street, and then went to the hotel it was about 10:30 pm she told me that will go to her room finish some homework for Monday and come back at 2:00 am to hit the club.

So at 2:00 am she arrived we went to Insomnia again had some drink danced and had some fun it was about 5:00 am we returned to the room took shower and had round 3 slept cuddling.

She woke me up at 11:00 am we went out for Breakfast then she drove us to her aunt salon, she introduced me to her aunt and to the staff, I had a foot message there and she chatted with her aunt.

Then she suggested we go to the floating maker arrived there the weather was so hot so only stayed there for about 40 minutes then she drove me to Jomitan area as I wanted to see the beach there if it's better than beach road but it looked the same unclear water to swim.

Then we headed to my hotel took some rest and planned for the last dinner as it was my last night as my flight was 4:00 am that day.

So she wanted to go to her room to have shower and change her outfit and she will be back by 8:00 pm so I arranged my stuff took shower then she arrived we slept a bit together and then had our last round 4.

So then she drove to beach road parked there and to the restaurants area, we had dinner at sizzler.

On the way back to hotel I wanted to know how much I need to pay her, as she mentioned to me before that she usually don't go out with men unless she likes him, so in the way back while she was driving I tried to figure out how much I need to pay, she told me you need not to give me anything, if you want you can buy something for me.

But unfortunately it was too late to go buy something for her, because I wanted to check out from hotel and take a cab to BKK, so I told her I would give her cash and you could buy anything you want.

Then we arrived to the hotel room laid in bed together, I handed her 4,000 baht she was so thankful.

Then I checked out from the hotel and she suggested that she will drive me to the airport but I refused as if it was too late for her to come back alone from Bangkok. So went in the taxi kissed her and said good bye.

We had already exchanged line ID's so she kept sending me msgs all the way and that she would be waiting me to comeback.

That's it.

I had an awesome 3 days 2 nights with her.

Willing to come come back in August.

As if Bangkok is my step over airport not my destination returning home.

Usually I had step over a couple of time in Bangkok I used to stay in Bangkok for couple of days.

But now sure I will head direct to Pattaya as it more fun and less crowded than Bangkok.

Thanks for all the info provided here guys.

Unfortunately I hadn't the chance to try beer bars or beach road WS.

But for me one non- working girl experience is worth than hundred.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nishu617;1898648]Buddy buy subscription so you can share her line ID.[/QUOTE]Yeah, if you want buy a membership with Jackson, I think it's worthwhile.

BUT, I strongly suggest you Never share contact details of girls, with people who you do not know and guys from here on ISG.

If you do, and something untoward happens, you will feel / be responsible and you never know who these guys are. Good or Bad!

And who knows, you could become an accessory to a crime.

Some (only some) guys from India are the most aggressive in this regard and PM me to ask me for this kind of info (a lot) and I always decline and block them!

There are many stories of some of these guys (just a few of them) who book multiple bedroom apts and lure girls and take turns without the girl knowing ahead of time, and bad shit happens. So, be forewarned and ultra careful about nice girls so that they are not destroyed by these bad apples who visit Pattaya. I just hope the Thai police arrest these guys and keep them in jail for 10 years or longer!

I only suggest this because you are new here and I suggest you be wary and careful!

[QUOTE=Nishu617;1898648]Buddy buy subscription so you can share her line ID.[/QUOTE]Do you think she will be happy to be pestered by approaches of any kind (I can figure these out already by some "manager") aiming to take her straight to bed and offering 3 k for three days and two nights. ?

I haven't been to Pattaya in many years, but going tomorrow. I am meeting up with a male Thai friend that I knew several years in China. He doesn't know much about Pattaya, but is wanting to check it out.

Are Thai men allowed in Kinnaree, WS gogo bars, Insomnia and similar places? He's well dressed with good manners, etc. Thanks!

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1898848]I haven't been to Pattaya in many years, but going tomorrow. I am meeting up with a male Thai friend that I knew several years in China. He doesn't know much about Pattaya, but is wanting to check it out.

Are Thai men allowed in Kinnaree, WS gogo bars, Insomnia and similar places? He's well dressed with good manners, etc. Thanks![/QUOTE]It is a touchy subject. Generally I would say that is true. The thing is that Walking Street exists for foreigners and Thais have their places in other parts of Pattaya. That is why I cringe when I see someone always wanting to go to some holy grail spot where there are no foreigners and Thais hoard all the best women for themselves. That is the problem with westerners. You give them a centimeter and they want to take a meter by infringing on the locals. Foreigners have their places, and Thais have their places.

However, I do believe that if you two show up together he would not have a problem getting in. Then too, if he speaks other languages he can always act like he is not Thai. Without speaking, Thai people generally will not know a Thai from a non-Thai.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1898766]There are many stories of some of these guys (just a few of them) who book multiple bedroom apts and lure girls and take turns without the girl knowing [/QUOTE]They say the guy with the beard goes last.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1898848]I haven't been to Pattaya in many years, but going tomorrow. I am meeting up with a male Thai friend that I knew several years in China. He doesn't know much about Pattaya, but is wanting to check it out.

Are Thai men allowed in Kinnaree, WS gogo bars, Insomnia and similar places? He's well dressed with good manners, etc. Thanks![/QUOTE]I have taken a Thai male friends to several of the Walking St go go's with no problems. At some of the bars we were stopped by security but when I told them "he is with me. " Then we were nodded in with no further questions.

An English bar owner at one of the more "hands on" bars did tell me that they do have to be careful that they are not letting in some plain clothes police but it seems that if with a Farang, then no problem.

Enjoy,

Hotman.

Hi there everyone,

I just have a doubt. Can you book st or LT on the girls who normally stand outside the bars trying to get the customers to go into the clubs? Are they available for ST / LT? And also is the standard rate in Pattaya still same? ST 1000 and LT 2500 for bar girls?

Thanks

I went to the local Immigration office today for my 90 day report. The last two times it was fairly easy as they dropped the requirement to fill out a half page form and submit proof of residence. All that was necessary was my passport which they scanned and handed back to me with a receipt. No forms were required to be filled out and no other proofs were necessary.

That was then and this is now. When I said to the officer that I was there for my 90 day report, I was handed a 3 page form to be filled out and signed; and a photo was also required. So I had to go home and come back tomorrow to get it done, and even then I won't know until I get there whether there will be additional requirements. They just change the rules whenever they please without any advance notice and there is nothing on the official website about it. Nothing. So there were a whole lot of angry foreigners at the Immigration office today. Tough luck for me and for them; the Thai officials just don't care.

When I got home and looked at the form (titled Foreign National Information Form) I discovered that they now want personal information like what social media sites I belong to; including my Facebook ID of all things; and what clubs, restaurants, shops and other premises I frequently visit in Thailand. I had to put down on the form the Windmill a-go-go where I frequently visit to molest all the naked little girls for the price of lady drinks.

Oh, well, we must never forget that this is Thailand and we have to put up with some stupid bureaucratic shit from time to time if we want to stay to enjoy the abundant and cheap pussy.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1899712]I went to the local Immigration office today for my 90 day report. The last two times it was fairly easy as they dropped the requirement to fill out a half page form and submit proof of residence. All that was necessary was my passport which they scanned and handed back to me with a receipt. No forms were required to be filled out and no other proofs were necessary.

That was then and this is now. When I said to the officer that I was there for my 90 day report, I was handed a 3 page form to be filled out and signed; and a photo was also required. So I had to go home and come back tomorrow to get it done, and even then I won't know until I get there whether there will be additional requirements. They just change the rules whenever they please without any advance notice and there is nothing on the official website about it. Nothing. So there were a whole lot of angry foreigners at the Immigration office today. Tough luck for me and for them; the Thai officials just don't care.

When I got home and looked at the form (titled Foreign National Information Form) I discovered that they now want personal information like what social media sites I belong to; including my Facebook ID of all things; and what clubs, restaurants, shops and other premises I frequently visit in Thailand. I had to put down on the form the Windmill a-go-go where I frequently visit to molest all the naked little girls for the price of lady drinks.

Oh, well, we must never forget that this is Thailand and we have to put up with some stupid bureaucratic shit from time to time if we want to stay to enjoy the abundant and cheap pussy.[/QUOTE]The changes were implemented in Bangkok nearly 2 months back.

[URL]http://pattaya-funtown.com/now-thai-immigration-want-know-everything/[/URL]

I guess its made its way to the Chonburi Immigration bureau now.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1899712]That was then and this is now. When I said to the officer that I was there for my 90 day report, I was handed a 3 page form to be filled out and signed; and a photo was also required. So I had to go home and come back tomorrow to get it done, and even then I won't know until I get there whether there will be additional requirements. They just change the rules whenever they please without any advance notice and there is nothing on the official website about it. Nothing. So there were a whole lot of angry foreigners at the Immigration office today. Tough luck for me and for them; the Thai officials just don't care.
[/QUOTE]It is more than one month that people on various forum discuss and complain about this new form with silly question like social media etc.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1899712]I went to the local Immigration office today for my ....... cheap pussy.[/QUOTE]Please leave that stuff where it belongs, like Thai visa website.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1899736]It is more than one month that people on various forum discuss and complain about this new form with silly question like social media etc.[/QUOTE]Yep. The form just hit Pattaya. Word is that you can actually leave it blank.

[QUOTE=Liverpool1208;1899645]Hi there everyone,

I just have a doubt. Can you book st or LT on the girls who normally stand outside the bars trying to get the customers to go into the clubs? Are they available for ST / LT? And also is the standard rate in Pattaya still same? ST 1000 and LT 2500 for bar girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]My friend is friends with a door girl and she Lines me pics all the time that I forward to him since he is old school and don't have line. In the Philippines it was ultra easy to get a door girl. They usually had the lower tiered price and they required a barfine unless they met during off duty hours. Sometimes they will send an actual dancer to be eye candy and get the guys in. Certainly possible. Chat her up and she will let you know if she is available.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1899740]Please leave that stuff where it belongs, like Thai visa website.[/QUOTE]Why? You the New Moderator now? It might have been discussed on other website but I haven't seen it here on the Pattaya Thread, and even if it was, it might have been missed. It might not be relevant to you but that isn't for you to decide?

[QUOTE=Liverpool1208;1899645]Hi there everyone,

I just have a doubt. Can you book st or LT on the girls who normally stand outside the bars trying to get the customers to go into the clubs? Are they available for ST / LT? And also is the standard rate in Pattaya still same? ST 1000 and LT 2500 for bar girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]A couple of years ago a saw a drop dead gorgeous sign girl off Walking. I asked her in for a drink. Her English wasn't good but her friend joined us after her dance cycle. She said her friend was too shy to dance and that they were just down from BKK. The friend asked to be bar fined and I responded sure if we take the sign girl too. It took her a few minutes to convince her friend but then we were off to the condo.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;1899164]I have taken a Thai male friends to several of the Walking St go go's with no problems. At some of the bars we were stopped by security but when I told them "he is with me. " Then we were nodded in with no further questions.

An English bar owner at one of the more "hands on" bars did tell me that they do have to be careful that they are not letting in some plain clothes police but it seems that if with a Farang, then no problem.

Enjoy,

Hotman.[/QUOTE]I know plenty of Farang who will not stay in a place if Thai guys are drinking there. They have a reputation of looking for fights when drunk. Decoy cops are usually Farang Tourist Police.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1899790]Yep. The form just hit Pattaya. Word is that you can actually leave it blank.[/QUOTE]You're right. In all fairness the personal and social media information is optional. I left it blank except for my email address in case they want to notify me of something important in the future. I was joking about putting down the Windmill Club where I molest naked little girls. I gave them nothing. I'm confident that I will give them their form; they will put it in a filing cabinet and it will never see the light of day again, but it will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off if this new requirement will be necessary every 90 days from now on.

Thanks for the feedback. We had no trouble getting into anywhere. One venue gave him a serious looking over, but we made sure we were speaking English loudly enough for security to hear and we walked right in. The go go's were absolutely no problem, but he always said he was from England to the girls.

I was in Pattaya 2 nights. Really enjoyed Kinnaree on Sunday. Took 2 girls (separately) and it was good fun and good value. Spent enough for the free food, but didn't sample. Next time I'll go on a non-food day, when it would be much quieter. Had a 15 min wait for a room 1 time, but the girls were fun to sit next to while you wait.

Pulled a girl each of 2 nights (about 1 am) from Insomnia for overnight with 2 pops (both left early afternoon). 1 was 1500 and the other 2000 (better looking). I'm not on the young and hansum list, but possibly could have gotten for 500 less as they were both happy with these prices. Both were good service, but I'd say 1 was a 5-6 (baby damage) and the other a 7. Still busy there on Sunday and Monday nights, and I think the girls get taken most nights from what they told me.

Wow. It's been awhile since I been back to Pattaya. Thinking of making a 7 day trip back to Pattaya and have a little fun with a few buddies of mine. I remember there used to be a club called "Starz" where most Asian and tourist go at night to pick up girls at clubs. But that was over 15 years ago. I'm sure lots have changed. So I have a few questions or you vets.

What's a good club to go to in Pattaya to have a great time and pick up good looking women?

What is the going rate for Overnight now? It used to be 2000 baht no negotiation needed.

Which logo bar has the hottest girls? Used to be SugarBaby. Not sure if it's still there. . LOL.

Greatly appreciate any info. Thanks.

This is subjective. You can try red car and bamboo at WS entrance if you like mature ladies after midnight. Sub 1 k is possible. You can try hip hop club 808. You can get LT under 2 k. The restaurant by the water / ws with the chilling / looking coaster is OK. I wouldn't go over 2 k unless she is 8+ and under 25 yo or your generous. Russian girls are a possibility but they want more baht and I never tried them.

[QUOTE=Asian_Pimp;1901313]Wow. It's been awhile since I been back to Pattaya. Thinking of making a 7 day trip back to Pattaya and have a little fun with a few buddies of mine. I remember there used to be a club called "Starz" where most Asian and tourist go at night to pick up girls at clubs. But that was over 15 years ago. I'm sure lots have changed. So I have a few questions or you vets.

What's a good club to go to in Pattaya to have a great time and pick up good looking women?

What is the going rate for Overnight now? It used to be 2000 baht no negotiation needed.

Which logo bar has the hottest girls? Used to be SugarBaby. Not sure if it's still there. . LOL.

Greatly appreciate any info. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Sugar Baby is still there and popular with the Euro gents. Her sister bar Windmill is a raunchier version of Sugar Baby. My girlfriend complained Windmill stank (probably the nearby punters). For some reason the girls were not as cute to me at the gogos in late June as they were at the end of May. Maybe I had become accustomed to Thai women. Any of the big bars should give you what you want as far as Optics like Crazy House, Glass House, Angel Witch, Alcatraz (didn't like girls look at Traz and they were pushy), Bacarra, Electric blue (pushy mamasan) etc. I though Bacarra in Soi Cowboy was a rip off but it stays packed. You can't go wrong with the big bars, however, they have the highest drink prices.

[QUOTE=Asian_Pimp;1901313]Wow. It's been awhile since I been back to Pattaya. Thinking of making a 7 day trip back to Pattaya and have a little fun with a few buddies of mine. I remember there used to be a club called "Starz" where most Asian and tourist go at night to pick up girls at clubs. But that was over 15 years ago. I'm sure lots have changed. So I have a few questions or you vets.

What's a good club to go to in Pattaya to have a great time and pick up good looking women?

What is the going rate for Overnight now? It used to be 2000 baht no negotiation needed.

Which logo bar has the hottest girls? Used to be SugarBaby. Not sure if it's still there. . LOL.

Greatly appreciate any info. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

You can try Ibar. Negotiation is important at Ibar because I have heard guys throw out BKK numbers at Ibar. It is bigger than 808 and have 2 floors and pool tables. The girls were pretty friendly there 2 weeks ago. And finally, RTFF. If you monitored the forum the last 6 weeks you would have gotten a recent rundown / pointers. You mentioned friends so hopefully your friends have spent 2 weeks in Pattaya this year. If so, they will know where to take you. 808 closes around 4 am. If you get in late check out Flex. It usually has 4 Russian FL who dance all night / morning.

[QUOTE=Cool;1901622]For some reason the girls were not as cute to me at the gogos in late June as they were at the end of May. Maybe I had become accustomed to Thai women.[/QUOTE]LOL. That is because your ass has gotten used to paying freelance disco prices. Those chicks in gogos are not 3000 baht worth of cute to me either. I bet you still haven't gotten with the gogo chicks that we met at the market.

[QUOTE=Asian_Pimp;1901313]Which logo bar has the hottest girls? Used to be SugarBaby. Not sure if it's still there. . LOL.
.[/QUOTE]I've hit about 25 gogo bars in the past 2 weeks on WS and LK Metro. Still quite a few more to try out like the obscure ones on Soi diamond. Sugarbaby is the worst line up. Windmill is pretty close to the bottom as well. No gem there at all. Anyone know where Mo went?

imo Sensations is the best right now.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1901724]I've hit about 25 gogo bars in the past 2 weeks on WS and LK Metro. Still quite a few more to try out like the obscure ones on Soi diamond. Sugarbaby is the worst line up. Windmill is pretty close to the bottom as well. No gem there at all. Anyone know where Mo went?

imo Sensations is the best right now.[/QUOTE]You know what they say? Hope is eternal!

Whatever floats your boat man.

Take care. And all the best. And cheers!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1901691]LOL. That is because your ass has gotten used to paying freelance disco prices. Those chicks in gogos are not 3000 baht worth of cute to me either. I bet you still haven't gotten with the gogo chicks that we met at the market.[/QUOTE]Man. Mr. ENT, I want to hit IBar and Insomnia with you sometime! My strategy would be " hey, ask him how much he's going to give you for LT. ' Cause he's my boss". And then I'd say I'll give you 50 PC more.

So, my guess is I'd do well with you as my consigliere ' cause I'd then end up with the chicks LT for 1500 baht or less?

Do you think this would work? I think this could be a good strategy for any guys who team up 2 or more? Try it guys!

A variation on the Good cop, bad cop strategy.

Uncle V, you up for this? Or would you want to run to bed within an hour of getting into Insomnia?

[QUOTE=Haven123;1902021]Man. Mr. ENT, I want to hit IBar and Insomnia with you sometime! My strategy would be " hey, ask him how much he's going to give you for LT. ' Cause he's my boss". And then I'd say I'll give you 50 PC more.

So, my guess is I'd do well with you as my consigliere ' cause I'd then end up with the chicks LT for 1500 baht or less?

Do you think this would work?[/QUOTE]I am sure it would work, but 9 times out of 10 I never have to discuss money. I just give them 1000 baht the next day. Then doing it your way the friend is going to want the same amount. Like the time me and my dad were with 2 chicks. The next morning I had a brain fart / fell in love and gave my chick 1500 for some reason. She called her friend in my dad's room and told her, then the friend wanted 1500 from my dad too. He stuck with 1000 and jumped in my shit later for giving the girl too much.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1902103]I am sure it would work, but 9 times out of 10 I never have to discuss money. I just give them 1000 baht the next day. Then doing it your way the friend is going to want the same amount. Like the time me and my dad were with 2 chicks. The next morning I had a brain fart / fell in love and gave my chick 1500 for some reason. She called her friend in my dad's room and told her, then the friend wanted 1500 from my dad too. He stuck with 1000 and jumped in my shit later for giving the girl too much.[/QUOTE]Oh man. Your honesty and stories like with your dad, are so incredible.

I think you are the only guy who posts such stuff. I totally admire that!

But, I'm a wee bit different, if I truly connect with a girl. I want to see her really happy. If only for a few days!

Why? I don't know dude. Except it makes me happy. Ask Ayn Rand!

In the end, I ask you : " what is the meaning of money " at its core ?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1901691]LOL. That is because your ass has gotten used to paying freelance disco prices. Those chicks in gogos are not 3000 baht worth of cute to me either. I bet you still haven't gotten with the gogo chicks that we met at the market.[/QUOTE]I find 808 disco ladies' performance better than soapies. My flaw is I don't have a rotation. I also need their phone #s to keep my bloodhound girlfriend off the scent. I don't know how to shop on beach to be discrete during early evening hours. I got no response from the girls at market. A Bliss and Skyfall review is coming later this month.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1902418]In the end, I ask you : " what is the meaning of money " at its core ?[/QUOTE]Money means nothing. It is the stuff that you can get with money that means something. And if you spend more on one thing then you have less of it to go towards another thing.

Like you said, I spend money on me because it will make me happy. I could care less about making a chick happy because they will come and go. And if it takes my money to make her happy then I would rather her go.

Now if we are talking about spending money on a family member or someone who I have known for a long time then that is a different story. But some random chick who I first laid eyes on a week ago fuck that shit.

The last chick that I met in the disco (she has a day job as well) I had to test her out by telling her that I didn't have any money so I would not be able to see her. She still insisted on coming to see me and wanted to to stay with me every night thereafter. We have been kicking it pretty good. Then when it was time for me to leave I tried to give her money and she refused it. That is the kind of person I don't mind spending money on.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1902103]Like the time me and my dad were with 2 chicks. The next morning I had a brain fart / fell in love and gave my chick 1500 for some reason. She called her friend in my dad's room and told her, then the friend wanted 1500 from my dad too. He stuck with 1000 and jumped in my shit later for giving the girl too much.[/QUOTE]Great story and would be so true.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1902469]

The last chick that I met in the disco (she has a day job as well) I had to test her out by telling her that I didn't have any money so I would not be able to see her. She still insisted on coming to see me and wanted to to stay with me every night thereafter. [/QUOTE]Hahaha. Will never happen to me! You and I are playing in different ball parks. C'est la vie. You are one lucky and cool dude! I'm jealous! Cheers!

Gents,

I enjoyed Pattaya a lot and especially liked the beer bars (and their ladies). In 2010 I was not pleased with quality and quantity and had to resort to gogos and soi6. Since then I looked for greener pastures, regrettably I have to confess I could find a little bit greener only.

Considering a trip to Pattaya at the end of this year I read the thread profoundly, but beer bars are not mentioned. So my guess is this scene is still depressing. I don't like the FL scene. Neither BR nor the clubs, action there simply starts too late for my taste.

An update on beer bars would be very much appreciated, especially making a point which areas are worth to visit (in my mind an empty bar with only 2 girls or below 6 in looks is not) BF 300 bht, ST 1200 bht, LT 2000 bht possible?

Even if you do not partake, maybe you can give us a general impression at least -.

Maybe suggest an other city. Even if the scene is smaller?

Thanks a lot guys smily.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1902502]Hahaha. Will never happen to me! You and I are playing in different ball parks. C'est la vie. You are one lucky and cool dude! I'm jealous! Cheers![/QUOTE]You say that now. Cool thought the same thing. He was ready to leave Pattaya then I showed him the way. Now he is creating havoc. Got chicks fighting over him and stuff. You can't pry him away from Pattaya now.

Took my girlfriend and her girlfriend to Airlines tonight on WS. I doubt it was the Fri. Lineup. 2-3 weak 8's. Girls had nice bodies but 70% of lineup not worth 3 k. Bottled beer 150+ bht. 15 girls rotate every 15 minutes. Maybe 45 girls at 11:30 pm Sun. Glass House possibly 35 girls. Best girls didn't work tonight. Bottled beer $150 bht. Only 2 girls caught my eye. 1 I recognized from my first visit.

Hello guys,

I would be spending the next few days mongering in Pattaya and would really appreciate if someone could help (PM or otherwise) me with contacts of some dominatrix (I am more into femdom). Am looking at damages around 2 K.

Thanks in advance.

I gave my mate the choice of going to Bliss / Skyfall. She chose Bliss. She asked a trick question. 'which girl I like?' Didn't fall for it. She suggested buying ping pong balls. There were 7 fuckable girls out of 20 stage girls. Small / Decent club but not a top 10 WS go go. 140 bht beer. Lady drinks 10-30 bht more. 90% of girls had nice bodies. Glasshouse has a see through second floor like Bacara. Last night there were no girls on Glasshouse second floor.

Hey all,

I've been in Parraya for a couple of days and unfortunately am finding it's not really going so well.

Went to walking street on my first night and picked up a girl from Insomnia. Wasn't a great selection of girls and wasn't feeling up to try my luck at the gogo's but spotted one I liked looks wise. Ended up having to buy her a couple of drinks through the night to break the ice but eventually got on well enough to agree 2500 LT and took her back to my hotel. S ex was okay-ish, but no big on offer covered or not. Then had to wake her up at 10 am and initiate another round but this was limited as she said she was sort because I was too big (I'm not).

Skipped the second night as I just wasn't feeling it but tonight gave the gogo's a try. Got hit for a couple of ladydrinks drinks in Skyfall by two girls who latched on as soon as I walked in. Not seeing anyone I liked I moved into glass house and got chatting with one of the dancers. Now I'll admit I let the lady drinks go too far as in the end it cost me 4 for her plus 2 for her friends and myself totaling 1500 baht. Agreed ST with the girl for 3 k plus 1 k BF. Went back to my hotel, sex was better but she left after barely and hour despite saying St would be 3 but claimed she would be back after 4 am once she had finished at the club. Not surprising I guess but she hasn't returned and after checking with reception it seems she didn't tell them she was going to despite telling me she would. So 6500 baht for what amounted to one 35 minute session.

This whole place just isn't what it was cracked up to be. So far it's hardly working out any cheaper than Europe and parts of the UK, the services on offer seem very limited and a total gamble, and it all seems geared towards fleecing you for as much as possible.

I've only got a couple of days left but I don't really feel like continuing to throw money at a bad situation in the hope of it improving, especially when what's on offer in terms of services seems so limited.

Any ideas how I can turn this around?

[QUOTE=Axelay;1903216]So 6500 baht for what amounted to one 35 minute session.

This whole place just isn't what it was cracked up to be. So far it's hardly working out any cheaper than Europe and parts of the UK, the services on offer seem very limited and a total gamble, and it all seems geared towards fleecing you for as much as possible.

Any ideas how I can turn this around?[/QUOTE]Neither my heart nor my dick have ever been in control of my wallet.

Pay after.

Next time bring a "No Man".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1903261]Neither my heart nor my dick have ever been in control of my wallet.

Pay after.

Next time bring a "No Man".[/QUOTE]Fair point, but it was the Mamasan in Glass House that insisted I pay the bar fine and the girl's fee up front. Took me off guard when I had the mamasan and the girl expecting up front payment and with it being the mamasan asking it seemed like the done thing.

[QUOTE=Axelay;1903216]Any ideas how I can turn this around?[/QUOTE]Take control, don't let yourself be driven around. There is absolutely no need to spend 6500 for a ST. Go to Kinnaree club (in the daytime) or Soi 6 and get laid for 1000 baht + 300 for the room. Talk to freelancers and offer them 700 baht (don't ask them how much they want after they establish you're a sucker). Never buy more than one lady drink, they only signal you're a sucker to be fleeced. And even that one only after you established you might be interested in the girl. It's a reward for the girl being nice to you, not your obligation. Agogos are fleecing machines anyway, not good value.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1903298]Never buy more than one lady drink, they only signal you're a sucker to be fleeced. [/QUOTE]If a girl hangs with me for 1 hour at a gogo bar I am a sucker for buying them more than 1 drink?

Axelay, other than my disagreement above, the rest of Croc's advise is good. I'd also add in Club 007 and Pirate Club on Soi Full Love inn to the 300 + 1000 FS options.

LK Metro is the other option if gogo clubs are your thing. Cheaper too.

Too bad you have no PM, Axelay.

If I am with a girl at a gogo bar (or an open bar), what is a reasonable number of drinks to buy a girl over a 2 hour period?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1903323]If a girl hangs with me for 1 hour at a gogo bar I am a sucker for buying them more than 1 drink?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1903330]If I am with a girl at a gogo bar (or an open bar), what is a reasonable number of drinks to buy a girl over a 2 hour period?[/QUOTE]One ladydrink should last about 15 to 20 minutes. For me that is about the time to get a good impression of her and decide if I will barfine her or not. I don't like to stay too long in bars or clubs. It is far more fun in my room.

[QUOTE=FaceCushion;1903177]Hello guys,

I would be spending the next few days mongering in Pattaya and would really appreciate if someone could help (PM or otherwise) me with contacts of some dominatrix (I am more into femdom). Am looking at damages around 2 K.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/thai-mistress.html[/URL] 2 K is not enough.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1903323]If a girl hangs with me for 1 hour at a gogo bar I am a sucker for buying them more than 1 drink?[/QUOTE]I'm sure you know this and your question was purely rhetorical, but if you enjoy hanging out at agogo bar and feeling like a baller in that environment, go for whatever you like, it's your money and your fun. Some people genuinely enjoy ringing the bell too or throwing those ping pong balls from a bucket.

On the other hand, if your goal is to evaluate if a girl is suitable for a potential ST / LT liaison, that doesn't take an hour. That takes one lady drink max, or occasionally zero if the bar is quiet.

Thanks for the replies and advice guys. I think was / am just an easy mark and wasn't expecting punting here to be such a problematic chore. It was the mamasan at glass house who insisted on the bar fine and girls fee up front which kind of threw me off and resulted in me foolishly thinking it must just be the done thing in agogo bars. I'll certainly e avoiding glass house in future.

Might try a beer bar or two tonight and see how that goes. LK Metro maybe. Kinda lost motivation to go out looking to score but no need to avoid the night life entirely. Will also take on board the advice about buying lady drinks too. I did kinda feel obliged most of the time and in Skyfall the ladies just added them on without my agreement so that's another thing to beware of.

Just saw a little old Thai lady street vendor get struck by a scooter on Soi 6. The scooter was driven by a young Japanese guy more interested in looking at the girls in the bars than looking to see where he was going. He didn't clip her he struck her full on. Lady just kept walking after that and the Japanese guy went on his merry way without even stopping. I see so many non-thai ride these motorbikes and they look like they would barely know how to ride a bicycle.

Thanks Wolv. I'm on the same pace 3-4 per hour, usually when a set ends. If it's a longer stay is can be reduced to 2-3 per hour.

Croc, I hang out with girls I know from the past for hours in a club with no intention to barfine them. They know full well I am likely not barfining them rather just getting some DFK and HJ in the club. I've usually had my fun at Kinnaree or soi 6 before or find a massage girl after the gogo club. LT every night at a gogo bar gets pricey when you live here. I'm not that rich.

I agree you can make an assessment of a new girl within the first minute really.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1903330]If I am with a girl at a gogo bar (or an open bar), what is a reasonable number of drinks to buy a girl over a 2 hour period?[/QUOTE]IMHO you should be back in the room fucking by then.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1903355][URL]http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/thai-mistress.html[/URL] 2 K is not enough.[/QUOTE]I am OK to go for higher damages if they they do provide what they promise. Will definitely check out this place. Any other suggestions?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1903455]Just saw a little old Thai lady street vendor get struck by a scooter on Soi 6. The scooter was driven by a young Japanese guy more interested in looking at the girls in the bars than looking to see where he was going. He didn't clip her he struck her full on. Lady just kept walking after that and the Japanese guy went on his merry way without even stopping. I see so many non-thai ride these motorbikes and they look like they would barely know how to ride a bicycle.[/QUOTE]Fellow must have been in Thailand for quite some time. It seems he has already learned the Thai way of doing things.

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I just returned from a week's holiday. Spent 4 nights in Pattaya and 2 nights in Koh Samet. A few highlights of this trip –.

- Managed to root a total of 15 chicks, all of them from Isaan (surprise surprise).

- A healthy mix of online picks, random encounters and regular barfines.

- A healthy mix of short time and long time visitors.

In summary I think Pattaya is still my #1 mongering destination in SEA. Naysayers are welcome to debate and challenge this.

Field reports to follow soon. The Koh Samet chronicles will be posted in the "Other Areas" thread.

Just have to repost because I can't believe, that there is no info abve such a simple subject.

Pleeeeeease.

[QUOTE=Smily59;1902504]Gents,

I enjoyed Pattaya a lot and especially liked the beer bars (and their ladies). In 2010 I was not pleased with quality and quantity and had to resort to gogos and soi6. Since then I looked for greener pastures, regrettably I have to confess I could find a little bit greener only.

Considering a trip to Pattaya at the end of this year I read the thread profoundly, but beer bars are not mentioned. So my guess is this scene is still depressing. I don't like the FL scene. Neither BR nor the clubs, action there simply starts too late for my taste.

An update on beer bars would be very much appreciated, especially making a point which areas are worth to visit (in my mind an empty bar with only 2 girls or below 6 in looks is not) BF 300 bht, ST 1200 bht, LT 2000 bht possible?

Even if you do not partake, maybe you can give us a general impression at least -.

Maybe suggest an other city. Even if the scene is smaller?

Thanks a lot guys smily.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FaceCushion;1903463]I am OK to go for higher damages if they they do provide what they promise. [/QUOTE]Thailand is not the right place for BDSM. Better you plan holiday in Germany if you want a true BDSM.

[QUOTE=FaceCushion;1903463]Will definitely check out this place. Any other suggestions?[/QUOTE]Not in Pattaya, have some mistress and BDSM bar in Bangkok. Like BarBar and others. You can google it.

[QUOTE=Smily59;1902504]
Considering a trip to Pattaya at the end of this year I read the thread profoundly, but beer bars are not mentioned. So my guess is this scene is still depressing. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smily59;1903595]Just have to repost because I can't believe, that there is no info abve such a simple subject. Pleeeeeease.[/QUOTE]Beer bars around the town is just dying. No customer, few girls and very low quality.

[QUOTE=Smily59;1902504]Gents,

I enjoyed Pattaya a lot and especially liked the beer bars (and their ladies). In 2010 I was not pleased with quality and quantity and had to resort to gogos and soi6. Since then I looked for greener pastures, regrettably I have to confess I could find a little bit greener only.

Considering a trip to Pattaya at the end of this year I read the thread profoundly, but beer bars are not mentioned. So my guess is this scene is still depressing. I don't like the FL scene. Neither BR nor the clubs, action there simply starts too late for my taste.

An update on beer bars would be very much appreciated, especially making a point which areas are worth to visit (in my mind an empty bar with only 2 girls or below 6 in looks is not) BF 300 bht, ST 1200 bht, LT 2000 bht possible?

Even if you do not partake, maybe you can give us a general impression at least -.

Maybe suggest an other city. Even if the scene is smaller?

Thanks a lot guys smily.[/QUOTE]Why are beer bars not mentioned?

Simply because their crews change all the time. Girls come and go and change venue all the time and when changing bar, they usually also change their nickname. Reporting on "good" bars and "good" girls (for any naughty definition of "good") is a lost cause.

Just walk past any bar with girls and have a look. If you see someone that tickles your fancy, get inside and talk to her. Most of the beer bars are open areas so you can easily spot any talent.

Prices are open to negotiations. The figures you quote are on the lower side of average.

[QUOTE=Smily59;1903595]Just have to repost because I can't believe, that there is no info abve such a simple subject.

Pleeeeeease.[/QUOTE]Funny you should mention that you do not like the FL scene because A LOT of those chicks who work at bars go to FL in the discos when their bar closes.

[QUOTE=Smily59;1903595]Just have to repost because I can't believe, that there is no info abve such a simple subject.

Pleeeeeease.[/QUOTE]Broadly I can indicate sections of town that have clusters of beer bars.

1. In Walking Street there are two Simon Bar complexes, one is on the right after you pass Lighthouse and the second is again on the right hand side after you are past Insomnia. You cannot miss these two complexes.

2. Drinking Street on 2nd road, opposite the Tiffany Show buiilding.

3. Soi Diana, after you cross Papagayo on your right.

4. 2nd road between Soi 13 and Soi 9 has several such beer bar complexes on both sides of the road.

5. Soi 8 and Soi 7 have a decent selection of beer bars.

6. Soi Buakhaow, Soi LK Metro and Soi Lengkee have a few.

7. Darkside bars as a last resort.

As pointed out by Wolven and Mr E you will have to do quite a bit of leg work before you find you what you might be looking for.

LOS FR. Day 1 – 28 Jun.

I flew into BKK on a SQ flight that landed at 11 am. I had a smooth exit from the airport. I had arranged a taxi through VR Taxi who charges 1000 baht for the trip from Suvarnabhumi to Pattaya. The ride was quick and comfortable in a well maintained Camry and I was at my hotel reception by 1:30 pm.

I checked in and took a much needed shower, opened the bottle of whisky I picked from the duty free shop and took a good swig to get things started. A close mongering mate from many years was always scheduled to arrive by 5 pm. But he had some issues to sort and finally arrived only by 9 am on 29 Jun.

We had prepared a bit for this trip and lined up quite a few girls ahead. But as we all know these line ups can easily descend into utter chaos for a variety of reasons. So by 2. 30 pm I texted the girl I was expecting to meet by 4 pm and I was pleasantly surprised to learn that she was right on track to arrive at 4 pm. So I stepped out to pick up supplies and a local SIM card. AIS offers a 7 day data plan of 1. 5 GB for 150 baht (including the SIM card cost). Perfect!

I was back in the room at 3. 30 pm waiting for the girl to arrive. And she did at 4 pm sharp. I was almost in tears. Noy was 22, with 1 daughter, from Nong Khai. 5'2 in height, not more than 110 lbs with chocolate colour skin smooth as velvet and a great tight body. Very pretty face too. Slightly protruding upper teeth but nothing that would be called a turn off. She works in a bar on Soi 7. She loves whisky and I love a girl who loves whisky. After one drink and little conversation we were in the shower together where she quickly went down on her knees. Soon after we were on the bed for my first bang of this trip. And it was quite a bang. The girl knew exactly how to please a man in bed. Everything I wanted was done without asking. After we finished up, she asked me if I wanted her to stay long time. I told her I might swing by her bar later in the night. I slipped 1000 baht into her purse and sent her on her way with a deep kiss.

It was close to 6 pm so I decided to go for a foot massage before the next ST lineup arrived at 8 pm. And when I was in the midst of the massage I got a text from the 8 pm chick saying "I go your place now ka". I smiled at my good fortune.

This girl, Arya, is 24, no kids, pretty nicely inked and an incredibly well toned body. Apparently works at a bar on Soi Buakhow. Her skin was fair by Isaan standards and she hailed from Khorat. She did not want a drink or make any conversation. She wanted to fuck. Great, let's fuck. After a thorough pounding I let her go with 1000 baht. She was happy from the look on her face but she was clear she had come for a ST session. No other expectations. I like that in a girl.

It was 9. 30 pm and as I looked out the balcony I noticed it was raining rather heavily. My next line up, Ying, a LT prospect, was scheduled at 11 pm and I sensed a threat to my plan. I called her right away and she said exactly what I feared. "It rain so heavy ka, how I go?" I wanted to ask her if she ever heard on an invention called the umbrella, but I simply said "Mai bpen rai, you go when rain stop". I was betting on the rain to stop in an hour or so. So I dialled up some room service, turned up some classic rock and relaxed with a drink.

The rain Gods were kind to me and it stopped raining just before midnight. So I called Ying again and she said she wanted to meet at Walking Street and shake a leg. Works for me, I had planned pretty much the same thing. I met her outside 808 around 12.40 am and went upstairs. 808 was practically dead on Tuesday night. Not one girl worth looking at twice. We got ourselves a drink each. At 150 baht per drink, 808 is not exactly pricey. Next stop at Red Car. Dead. Left without a drink. We headed for Insomnia and found it was pretty decently populated for a Tuesday night. A drink each made me poorer by 300 baht. We danced for a while and I think the chemistry was right. After an hour Ying wanted to go to the room. She is a girl who like vodka so we stopped at 7/11 to pick a couple of pre-mixes. I also bought some street food and we were at the hotel room by 2. 30 am.

After a drink, some small talk and some intimate dancing we got busy. Ying is 20, from Buen Kan, no kids, no boyfriend before and is a freelancer. Slightly on the heavier side but no fat, all muscle. She is just built solid. Tight as a fish's asshole. Beautifully shaped BCups with lovely pink nipples and pinkish brown moons. Spotless body, neat round ass that I could have watched for hours. Those little butt dimples could easily hold a pair of marbles.

And to top it all, Ying wanted to go bareback. I had to oblige. And thus began a night of unbridled, passionate sex that lasted for a long time, into the wee hours of morning. Only when we lay entwined, spent and sweaty, did we realise that we had not eaten any of the food we had picked up earlier. So we washed up and ate in the balcony along with a drink to wash it down. Soon after we retired to bed, cuddled and slept like babies.

I was woken at 9 am next morning by the room phone ringing loudly. It was my mongering mate who had finally arrived. Our plan was to head to Koh Samet with a couple of girls. So I woke Ying and asked her to get ready and leave. She was slightly puzzled but nonetheless, she got dressed and was ready to leave in 30 minutes. I slipped 1500 baht into her purse and she did not blink. She asked me if I would see her again and I said I might. She was OK with that reply.

NOTE – Since the next two days were spent in Koh Samet, that part of the trip is reported under the "Other Areas" thread.

LOS FR. Day 4 – 01 Jul.

We checked in and took shower, regrouped for a couple of drinks in my room and charted the plan for the day.

First stop at Soi 6 Roxy Bar. Good selection at around 3 pm. Quite a few familiar faces. Tan, Iris, Aoon (who has got a boob job now), Fon, the pair Ann & Pear. So many women to pick from. None of the girls pestered us for drinks, they were just happy to sit and chat. Low season has some advantages. I would have gone with Aoon who has the best ass in the house, but the boob job was a dampner. So I went with Fon instead. I know her from a previous visit but I had never taken her for a romp. Pretty face with sharp features, slim taut body with a pert little ass, ACups with brown nipples. Classic Isaan. No money was discussed, as I knew the pricing structure and girls knew me.

Nothing significant to write about except that it was a decent session with all the essentials thrown in. I took a fair bit of time to come, but Fon was patient with me, never once complaining or making a face about the pounding.

She had to finally finish me off with her hand and I ended by shooting my load into her mouth. Good girl, took in every drop.

It was 5 pm as we stepped out into the blazing sun. We took a baht bus back to the hotel and lounged in the pool for a while and reviewed the line up. Next on my list of a girl named Jenjira, who worked at a dental clinic as a receptionist. She shift ends at 7 pm so she could come only by 7. 30 pm or later and could not stay for long time. The idea was ST with a dinner. Now the issue was her workplace is at Na Kluea near the Lan Pho market. And she wanted to have a seafood dinner. So it made imminent sense for me to head out there to meet her and have dinner. But then, what about the sex? As I pondered on this situation with Jen, she offered a solution that sounded workable. She lived close to her workplace with a roommate who worked at the A One Star Hotel and she would not be back before 11 pm.

So I will cut to the chase here. I met her by 7. 15 pm at a place close to her clinic and we took a motorbike taxi to her room. Jen is 19, not more than 5'2 weighing in at barely 100 lbs. ACups, tight body, no kids. Hails from Maha Sarakham. Just finished high school and now works in Pattaya at this dental clinic that belongs to some chap from her home town. She had a farang boyfriend for around 4 months last year and since then she is single.

Jen was just about OK in bed. Seems like this farang had not taught her much. She was a bit cock-scared and was completely inept in the art of the BJ. I finished quickly, not wanting to give this sweet girl a hard time. We then went for the promised sea food dinner which I enjoyed thoroughly. A tad expensive at 870 baht for two people without drinks. Before leaving I slipped 500 baht into Jen's hand and told her to buy herself something nice. She looked at my with those limpid pools of brown and started crying. This happened on the street and I was embarrassed, even a bit scared. Turns out she was upset at not having pleased me enough, which was why I was not asking her to go back with me to my hotel. I wiggled out of this situation saying that I would love to invite her but I have other plans tonight. I don't think she bought it, but I was soon on my way.

It was now around 10 pm and my last line up for the night was a girl named Lek from Buriram. 24 year old, no kids, used to work earlier in a Soi 7 bar and now works at a bar in Drinking Street (DS). I called her and asked her where she was and what she wanted to do. She said that she would like to go with me to her bar for a while at least. I guess to show me off to her friends and get a few drinks out of me. Suits me fine. Since I was already in that part of town I offered to arrive directly at her bar on DS. She was thrilled at this idea.

So I took a nice long walk to her bar. On the way I called Sam to let me know of my coordinates. He agreed to meet me at DS. I reached the bar and got a drink and made myself comfortable and took in the sights that DS offered.

DS is a larger version of the Simon Bar Complex in Walking Street, a bit cheaper and largely tailored to entertain the South Asian and Middle Eastern crowds. The music was terrible. However, the bars were full of girls and I could spot several 8's in the maze of bars. But I was here for Lek, who is easily an 8. CCups, washboard flat tummy, tight perky butt, long hair that just fell beyond her waist and a chiselled face with large brown eyes. 5'1 in height and a 110 lbs.

I bought Lek and her friends and the mamasan a round of drinks. Played pool for a while and then Sam came along with his girl. He had this lovely girl named Yao with him who works at LK Renaissance. Another round of drinks followed.

And then came this Saudi gent to the bar. It was his birthday and one of the girls from the bar he was with had got him a cake. He cut the cake and got a round of shots for everyone at the bar, including me & Sam. Petrodollars at work. I went up to thank him and wish him. Exchanged a few pleasantries and returned to my seat. After a while the Saudi opened 2 bottles of Chivas and went on a binge. The next 3 rounds of drinks were all on the house. This was something I could not accept, so I stood up and asked for check bin. The Saudi was slightly miffed and he came up and requested me to stay and partake in the celebration. I politely declined, paid our bills and left, with Lek and Sam and Yao in tow. Next stop was Walking Street at a bar called Hot Tuna.

I had, in one of my previous posts mentioned Blue Sky III as the best rock bar in town. I stand corrected. Hot Tuna now wins by a mile. 150 baht a drink, great bands, good equipment and acoustics, no pushy waiters begging for drinks and lots of space. So we sat there for another hour or so, had a couple of drinks and then headed back to the hotel.

Back in the room Lek was the quintessential LBFM. She just did not let me sleep. And she was very skilled in all the ways of pleasing a man. And she knew how to edge. Kept me going for a very long time before I finally exploded inside her in doggy. And within 10 minutes she was at it again.

LOS FR. Day 5 – 02 Jul.

I think I finally passed out by 6 am. And I woke at 2 pm. I expected a massive hangover as I had not eaten much and I had drunk pretty heavy. But thankfully I had none of those issues. I soon figured Sam had already got going with his day and was headed to Soi 6 after a late breakfast and a foot massage.

So I lazed some more with Lek in bed and finally got ready. She got ready too. I put 2500 baht in her purse while she was in the shower. When she stepped out I took her in my arms and kissed her and told her I have put something for her in her purse. She did not blink, just said thank you ka and was on her way out.

I went downstairs and headed to Sailor Bar on Soi 8 for a quick meal. After than I threaded my way to Soi 6 and figured that Sam was taking refuge in Route 69. When I went in, I was the only gent inside the bar and Sam had gone upstairs with his date. Since I was spent and had just eaten I had no intention of banging a chick, so I say inside at the bar and got a Long Island. Just then a lovely tall, well-endowed girl caught my attention. I called her over to chat. Her name was Kay, 26,1 daughter, from Sisaket working in Pattaya for 6 months now, previously worked at an oily in Bangkok. While standing next to me and chatting she started rubbing my crotch. I got her a drink and told her about the night before and the reason I was at her bar. She kept rubbing and asked me if she could give me a BJ right there at the bar. A BJ needs no effort from my end, so I agreed. She did not take off my shorts, so she only had the shaft to play with but this girl knew what she was doing. Lasted a full 20 minutes but I was fully spent so I could not finish. By then Sam came out. I paid my bills and gave this girl Kay another 200 baht and exchanged phone numbers for posterity and walked out into the unrelenting afternoon heat. We walked over to Beach Road and found a rash of shacks to laze in. Spent an hour there and then walked back to Soi 6 and made our way to My Friend You.

Now this little bar on Soi 6 is a proper BJ bar. And I would strongly recommend a girl named Nok at this bar. She recognized me and was very happy to see me. Sam got himself a decent pick too. But BJ bars are not to be evaluated on looks, they are evaluated on skills and attitude. And Nok had both in abundance. After a drink for myself and for her, we were on the couch opposite the bar with a curtain pulled across for privacy.

A good sloppy wet, superbly executed BJ followed which sent me into a state of euphoria. But I took much longer to finish and Nok showed no signs of fatigue or impatience. She cheerfully went on like an energizer bunny and ensured I finished after 40 minutes or so.

The bar's pricing structure is a bit steep though. 300 BF + 1000 for the BJ. Drinks are for 100 and LD is for 120. So my bill came to 1520. Sam forked out 1640. We both got out and headed back to the hotel. I was so exhausted that I entered my room and crashed. When I finally woke up it was 11 pm and it was raining like no tomorrow.

I quickly reviewed my line up and decided to call a girl named Pam but she did not respond. Then followed a string of unsuccessful calls and messages. Some did not want to go out because of rain, so were busy and some just did not respond. Fuck! Would I sleep alone tonight? Hell no. But how do I get out in this torrential rain? I was now running out of girls to call from my line up. Sam has managed to get a chick to join him before the rains came down, so he was in no pressure to get out.

I fixed myself a drink and prayed hard for the rain to stop. But the rain showed no signs of letting up anytime soon. So the next couple of hours or so were spent in anxiety. Every passing minute would make the availability scarcer. It was now past 1 am and the rain had thinned a bit but still in no condition to step out. Finally at 1. 45 am the rain settled into a drizzle and I decided to get out. I danced and dodged my way around puddles and rivulets of water and made my way to Soi 8 I had Best Bar on my mind where I had seen a few beauties dance during my last visit. A few more bars on that street that housed real girls were on my list. Else I could go over to Soi 7. Walking Street was my last option as that would always be available in some form and manner. I was now confident I would not sleep alone.

So I sat at Best Bar and found out that Germany was playing Italy in the Euro 2016 QFS. Dandy. I would be stuck now for 3 hours. I soon had company in form of 2 girls, both incredibly toned and fit, all natural stuff but poor teeth. Their names were Ploy and Pim. Both were 20, no kids. Ploy had braces so that was a certain cross. Pim's teeth were a bit distracting when she spoke. I somehow could not find the urge to talk about a night together with either of them. So I paid for 1 drink and left. Went to JD Bar next door, no one worth talking to, just 1 bottle of water to pay for. Walked up to Soi 7 and went to Piggy Bar which had some great looking girls. I first suspected they were coyotes, but I decided to investigate anyway. So, a couple of them were indeed coyotes but the majority were available to take away. I spotted a nice fair skinned girl behind the bar peering into her cell phone and I asked for her to join.

The minute I called I kicked myself for calling a girl who is stuck on her phone. But Nim came with a broad smile on her face. 22 yo, from Udon Thani, cute as a button and built like those cover models on Maxim. She was much taller than the average Thai girl, which raised an alarm bell. But my fear was soon allayed after a short conversation. I kept talking to her and watching the match. Drinks were called for. Scores level at full time thanks to a mindless play by Boateng in the box that gifted Italy a penalty to draw level. Another drink and extra time was done. A 3rd drink and the penalties gave Germany the ticket to the SF. It was almost 5 am. I asked Nim to go with me and she readily agreed. I paid for the drinks and the barfine and off we went. Back in the room, I have faint memories of seeing the first streaks of daylight seep in thru the curtains as Nim and me finished a rocking session in the sack. The girl was certainly talented and is destined for bigger things clearly. We cuddled and slept soon after.

LOS FR. Day 6 03 Jul.

I was woken at noon by Nim going down on me. She followed it up with a second round that felt even better than the first. Later by 2 pm she got dressed and was ready to leave. I gave her 2000 baht plus another 100 baht and kissed her goodbye. She asked if I would come to her bar again later tonight and I replied I might.

I called in some room service and ate quickly. Today was my last day in Pattaya. Less than 24 hours left in Pattaya. After a quick bite, I called Sam to learn that he has taken off to Jade, a gentleman's club on Theppraya Road. So I headed to Soi 6 and went straight to Ruby Club to say Hello, to some of the cuties there. In particular Fha, Nok, Kwang, Cartoon and May were on my initial shortlist amongst those in attendance. After chit chatting with the girls I settled on Kwang. For the day. Kwang hails from Kalasin, 24 yo, has a kid but no signs of baby damage. She has a killer smiler and butt to die for. I was off to the races quickly. Kwang was quite ordinary in bed, perhaps a bit tired too. Unspirited BJ and mechanical sex. I did not finish and left in less than 20 minutes after I entered the room with her. Paid the standard 300 BF + 1000ST plus the bill for drinks and went back to the hotel.

My frantic messages sent the previous night were not entirely futile. Quite a few of them had replied asking to meet up. So I lined up 3 more chicks, one each at 5 pm 8 pm and 11 pm. Ding was the first one. 23 yo, from Mukdahan, slightly plump, some baby damage but had lovely CCups that I could play with for hours. But I made short work of her and sent her off with 1000 baht. Relaxed for a while with a drink and waited for Tan, a 23 yo who works at a bar named Cherry Bar at Soi Diana. She arrived on time at 8 pm. Tan was a visual delight, 23 yo, from Roi Et, illuminating smile with perfect teeth and a flawless body. Equally good in bed, I was almost tempted to ask her to stay long time, but thankfully she said she had to return to her bar to wait for her regular customer who was in Pattaya for a week. I gave her 1500 baht and she squealed in delight and said she would love to see me again.

After Tan left I started packing a bit and fixed another drink and turned up the music. My final encounter on this trip was an hour away and I would make the night count. And the last one, Wan 23 yo from Ubon Ratchathani arrived at 11.15 pm. Wan is a professional masseuse with a full time day job in a high end spa. She showed me her ID card as proof. Not that believing or disbelieving her would have made any difference to me. As soon as she entered she gave me a deep wet kiss that turned me on for no apparent reason other than I found her kiss incredibly sexy and hot. We wasted no time and got into the shower together and carried on our coital act to bed and finished in a heap after a long while. It was the most spontaneous sex I have had in a long time. The night was still young so we decided to head out to Walking Street and my natural choice was Hot Tuna. As luck would have it Wan loved this bar too and was totally into rock music.

Guys who are rock music enthusiasts must visit this bar and attend a set played by Lan Morison, a Thai guitarist par excellence. He played some incredibly complex guitar compositions by Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Gary Moore. But the highlight of his set was the guitar rendition of Beethoven's Symphony No. 5 in see minor. It simply brought the entire bar in attendance to its feet. I was really happy I came here. Wan was very happy too.

Soon after we headed to The Pier to shake a leg but the crowd was quite unruly so we left in less than 20 minutes. It was now nearly 2 am so I suggested we go back to the room. Wan was hungry so we bought some grub and went back. I realised I was a bit hungry too.

Back in the room Wan fed me and ate the food we had picked up. After that dinner we both had another round of drinks and chatted for a while. Then we quietly retired to bed without any creative use of time.

Come morning light, I was woken up by Wan who had brushed and showered, and made tea for us. She woke me ever so gently by caressing my forehead and kissing my eyes. I pulled her into bed and soon went for one last round, which lasted much lesser than usual.

I knew my trip was coming to an end and I had found this gem of a keeper on the last day. What a pity. I told her I have to leave by noon. She said she understands and hopes to see me again soon. She protested as I put 2500 baht in her purse, but I insisted and said that if I had time I would buy you a gift and not give you cash. But since I don't have time, I want you to buy yourself something nice and show me a picture later. I wanted to ensure I pay so that there is no false expectation created here. We both knew what we were thinking. She smiled and said "I understand, man butterfly". I hugged her tightly and kissed her for one last time and left her go.

Sam had also packed up and was ready to leave. Our taxi to Suvarnabhumi arrived sharp at 11.30 am, arranged through VR Taxi. A swift ride to the airport and the trip was over. I have a severe hangover of the girls I met on this trip, all of them from Isaan. And thus these post are dedicated to the lovely daughters of Isaan.

[QUOTE=Axelay;1903216]
This whole place just isn't what it was cracked up to be. So far it's hardly working out any cheaper than Europe and parts of the UK, the services on offer seem very limited and a total gamble, and it all seems geared towards fleecing you for as much as possible.

I've only got a couple of days left but I don't really feel like continuing to throw money at a bad situation in the hope of it improving, especially when what's on offer in terms of services seems so limited.

Any ideas how I can turn this around?[/QUOTE]I think your expectations are too high, a common rookie 'mistake'. You're in the #1 mongering destination of the world (according to many guys anyway) and you think that automatically means you'll have the best sex ever. However the reality is you have to learn how to monger in a place like this, where there's so much on offer, and that takes patience and time. And many return visits, a good excuse to go there as often as you can LOL!

You have to learn how to deal with the go go girls, bar girls, freelancers, massage girls, Soi 6 girls etcetera. It's simply a matter of trial and error. And reading this forum of course.
And you have to find out what suits you best. Are you a go go guy? A Beach Road guy? Soi 6? Disco's?

The reality is also that Pattaya has gone down hill a lot. Finding a nice girl who gives good service is not as easy anymore as it used to be.
It's hard to give exact numbers because I never keep track of it but nowadays maybe 2 or 3 girls out of 10 are really worth repeating. The rest is average at best.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1903892]The bar's pricing structure is a bit steep though. 300 BF + 1000 for the BJ. Drinks are for 100 and LD is for 120. So my bill came to 1520.[/QUOTE]What? 1000 b plus BF for BJ only? Really? They are absolutely out of mind.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1903906]What? 1000 b plus BF for BJ only? Really? They are absolutely out of mind.[/QUOTE]I don't think they are out of their minds. If you were getting full service the 1000 Baht would be 2,000-3,000 Baht. Maybe you should go back to either India or the 80's.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1904020]I don't think they are out of their minds. If you were getting full service the 1000 Baht would be 2,000-3,000 Baht. Maybe you should go back to either India or the 80's.[/QUOTE]I don't need your suggestion where I should go or not. 1000 b + 300 is the standard price for FULL SERVICE in soi6. So asking this price price for a BJ only is absolutley no sense and out of market. Lolxtas is 700 b all in for BJ. Around city all the BJ bars ask for 500 b + 300 b. Also in Bkk price in BJ bar is 7/800 b.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1903906]What? 1000 b plus BF for BJ only? Really? They are absolutely out of mind.[/QUOTE]The bar is not out of their mind for asking; it is the punters who need to re-assess their mind set if they are willing to pay that price.

SL.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1904028]I don't need your suggestion where I should go or not. 1000 b + 300 is the standard price for FULL SERVICE in soi6. So asking this price price for a BJ only is absolutley no sense and out of market. Lolxtas is 700 b all in for BJ. Around city all the BJ bars ask for 500 b + 300 b. Also in Bkk price in BJ bar is 7/800 b.[/QUOTE]. Thanks for sharing.

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[QUOTE=ChristianG;1904028]1000 b + 300 is the standard price for FULL SERVICE in soi6. So asking this price price for a BJ only is absolutley no sense and out of market. Lolxtas is 700 b all in for BJ. Around city all the BJ bars ask for 500 b + 300 b. Also in Bkk price in BJ bar is 7/800 b.[/QUOTE]I'd thought My Friend You was always the regular BJ Bar price of 700 or 800 be too, and this is the place the original guy was referring too. I'm sure I've started a fair few mornings here or at Click bar for a cheapy BJ whilst getting ready for a larger day. Soi 6 regulars, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1904028]I don't need your suggestion where I should go or not. 1000 b + 300 is the standard price for FULL SERVICE in soi6. So asking this price price for a BJ only is absolutley no sense and out of market. Lolxtas is 700 b all in for BJ. Around city all the BJ bars ask for 500 b + 300 b. Also in Bkk price in BJ bar is 7/800 b.[/QUOTE]CG you are right about the standard price FS at any Soi 6 bar. I had two sessions, one each in Ruby Club and Roxy bar and I paid 1000ST + 300 BF in both places. My Friend You's price is a bit over the top and I discovered that only AFTER I got the service. No way to argue on price after you have gone thru with the act.

My bad to assume that it would be the same as any other BJ bar. As you rightly said, all other BJ bars like Bar de la Poste, Telephone, Red Lounge, Club 4, 007 all change 700/800 + 300 for a BJ. #.

That said, I was happy to pay 1000 + 300 for the service I got. Its my money and I am free to spend it the way I wish.

Did I get conned? Yes.

Do I mind? No. I over paid 300 baht. I will make it up elsewhere by negotiating better.

Will I go there again? Yes.

Will I discuss price ahead of the act? Yes.

Now I will brace myself for a tongue lashing from Mr E.

[QUOTE=FrancoCozzo;1904094]I'd thought My Friend You was always the regular BJ Bar price of 700 or 800 be too, and this is the place the original guy was referring too. I'm sure I've started a fair few mornings here or at Click bar for a cheapy BJ whilst getting ready for a larger day. Soi 6 regulars, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]As I reported last month when I was in Soi 6 and everytime from always ever, they can tell you any price. It is on you to NEGOTIATE. I think my total bill on Soi 6 last time was 1000 which included a drink for me, lady drink, room, BBBJ, and fucking. Of course they wanted more, but I talked them down.

LOL Blanq. I just read your last post after I wrote this. I had to get on my boy last time too. It was his first time in Thailand. He met a chick in the disco who works in 007. We went there the next day to see her and he paid whatever their asking price was. I think he gave his chick the asking price when we were on Soi 6 too. But like you said it is water under the bridge now.

I have a thing for Russian girls which was unfortunate for me during my short stay in Pattaya. I went to this club called Crazy Horse and I was impressed by the quality of girls and the nice surrounding with pole in the middle for the girls to undress and swing on. The bad news about this club is the prices are way too expensive! A simple lap dance can go for as much as 3000 baht and if you want to take the girl off premises for just a few hours you will have to shell out 15,000 baht.

Fellow mongers I urge you to stay away it's just not worth it! Pussy should never be so pricey as this!

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1903605]Beer bars around the town is just dying. No customer, few girls and very low quality.[/QUOTE]Thanks Blanque, Mr. Ent, Wolvenvacht and you for answering. Sooooo, they are not really an option -too bad.

You guys are right about legwork and changes and I did not expect something specific saveral month in advance. Just the general picture and CG confirmed that ot is not shooting fish in a barrel.

Anyway have a good time S.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1903888]LOS FR. Day 1 28 Jun.

We had prepared a bit for this trip and lined up quite a few girls ahead. But as we all know these line ups can easily descend into utter chaos for a variety of reasons. So by 2. 30 pm I texted the girl I was expecting to meet by 4 pm and I was pleasantly surprised to learn that she was right on track to arrive at 4 pm.

And she did at 4 pm sharp. I was almost in tears. Noy was 22, with 1 daughter, from Nong Khai. 5'2 in height, not more than 110 lbs with chocolate colour skin smooth as velvet and a great tight body. Very pretty face too. She works in a bar on Soi 7. She loves whisky and I love a girl who loves whisky.

I got a text from the 8 pm chick saying "I go your place now ka". I smiled at my good fortune. This girl, Arya, is 24, no kids, pretty nicely inked and an incredibly well toned body. Apparently works at a bar on Soi Buakhow. She did not want a drink or make any conversation. She wanted to fuck. Great, let's fuck.

It was 9. 30 pm and as I looked out the balcony I noticed it was raining rather heavily. My next line up, Ying, a LT prospect, was scheduled at 11 pm and I sensed a threat to my plan. I called her right away and she said exactly what I feared. "It rain so heavy ka, how I go?" The rain Gods were kind to me and it stopped raining just before midnight. So I called Ying again and she said she wanted to meet at Walking Street and shake a leg. Works for me, I had planned pretty much the same thing. I met her outside 808 around 12.40 am and went upstairs. She is a girl who like vodka so we stopped at 7/11 to pick a couple of pre-mixes. I also bought some street food and we were at the hotel room by 2. 30 am.

And to top it all, Ying wanted to go bareback. I had to oblige. And thus began a night of unbridled, passionate sex that lasted for a long time. I was woken at 9 am next morning by the room phone ringing loudly. It was my mongering mate who had finally arrived. Our plan was to head to Koh Samet with a couple of girls.

NOTE Since the next two days were spent in Koh Samet, that part of the trip is reported under the "Other Areas" thread.[/QUOTE]Blanquiceleste, I think your trip report so far is a gem. I have not finished reading it all yet. I am taking my time because I like the story line so much.

My thought on day 1: It is not that easy to prearrange a trifecta for your first day in town and have everything come off almost flawlessly. You made it seem easy, but actually I know it takes skill. It sure sounds like it was an auspicious beginning.

And I just finished reading your Koh Samet side trip post. Oh yeah, your ex Iron girls, Gib and Nam, both sound amazing in every way and I can really relate to the way they helped instigate and set up the simultaneous / independent threesomes for you guys with beach bar honeys, Meaw and Son, respectively. I would not have wanted to leave Koh Samet. 555.

So I look forward to reading the rest of your trip posts tomorrow. I just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed savoring the memories of your good times. I had some amazing threesomes on my last trip too. I am looking forward to many more on my next trip.

NB

[QUOTE=Smily59;1904189]Thanks Blanque, Mr. Ent, Wolvenvacht and you for answering. Sooooo, they are not really an option -too bad.[/QUOTE]BS brother. Anywhere in Pattaya that you see a woman, there is an option!

[QUOTE=Smily59;1904189]Thanks Blanque, Mr. Ent, Wolvenvacht and you for answering. Sooooo, they are not really an option -too bad.

You guys are right about legwork and changes and I did not expect something specific saveral month in advance. Just the general picture and CG confirmed that ot is not shooting fish in a barrel.

Anyway have a good time S.[/QUOTE]If "shooting fish in a barrel" is your fancy, then head over to Soi 6. Anyone can be balls deep inside an Issan cutie in less than 5 minutes after you have spotted her.

Thanks so much for the reviews, Blanq. Great read. BTW where is Drinking Street?

As for the beer bars, since I stayed on Soi 8 the first week here I walked up and down Soi 7 and Soi 8 numerous times. I only saw 3 girls I would have considered. Bad part is I saw them all the SAME night! They were definitely in the minority at 25 and under. I shake my head and wonder who would pick up or even buy some of these women drinks. Have also walked along the Areca Lodge street and seen nothing to my liking. For those who don't know me I am a VERY picky person and face comes first.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1904377]Thanks so much for the reviews, Blanq. Great read. BTW where is Drinking Street?

As for the beer bars, since I stayed on Soi 8 the first week here I walked up and down Soi 7 and Soi 8 numerous times. I only saw 3 girls I would have considered. Bad part is I saw them all the SAME night! They were definitely in the minority at 25 and under. I shake my head and wonder who would pick up or even buy some of these women drinks. Have also walked along the Areca Lodge street and seen nothing to my liking. For those who don't know me I am a VERY picky person and face comes first.[/QUOTE]Drinking street is on second road, north pattaya, around soi2.

Last month I had same feeling walk up and down soi7/8 and I'm not so picky.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1904377]I am a VERY picky person and face comes first.[/QUOTE]Body comes first for moi. Turn off the light they all look the same. Pattaya Isaan women are the rejects of Thailand. Waaay over fucked, used and abused.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1904114]CG you are right about the standard price FS at any Soi 6 bar. I had two sessions, one each in Ruby Club and Roxy bar and I paid 1000ST + 300 BF in both places. My Friend You's price is a bit over the top and I discovered that only AFTER I got the service. No way to argue on price after you have gone thru with the act.

My bad to assume that it would be the same as any other BJ bar. As you rightly said, all other BJ bars like Bar de la Poste, Telephone, Red Lounge, Club 4, 007 all change 700/800 + 300 for a BJ. #.

That said, I was happy to pay 1000 + 300 for the service I got. Its my money and I am free to spend it the way I wish.

Did I get conned? Yes.

Do I mind? No. I over paid 300 baht. I will make it up elsewhere by negotiating better.

Will I go there again? Yes.

Will I discuss price ahead of the act? Yes.

Now I will brace myself for a tongue lashing from Mr E.[/QUOTE]You hardly got conned when we are talking about anything under 500 Baht. Don't listen to these cheap Charlies.

Guys just a harmless comment but it needs to be said. Please don't come on here and cry about being overcharged for amounts such as 500 Baht. If you can't afford to pay an extra 500 Baht over the so called going rate, then you should not even be coming to Thaialnd. Every lady has the right to ask for whatever she wants. It's her body and frankly I'm tired of the price police on here.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1904492]Guys just a harmless comment but it needs to be said. Please don't come on here and cry about being overcharged for amounts such as 500 Baht. If you can't afford to pay an extra 500 Baht over the so called going rate, then you should not even be coming to Thaialnd. Every lady has the right to ask for whatever she wants. It's her body and frankly I'm tired of the price police on here.[/QUOTE]BKKDOG,

Its not the additional bahts you pay is the System, every strict businessman has to buy his "goods" at the very best Price. So if we start and get slumpy with here some more bath and there some more baht by the end the market is totally destroyed. Sure expenses everywhere are inc raising, but please Keep our "Business" here still affordable for everybody. And for all Newcomers please be Price consistent and not even think to overpay! All lucky monger will be thankfully to you.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1904492]Guys just a harmless comment but it needs to be said. Please don't come on here and cry about being overcharged for amounts such as 500 Baht. If you can't afford to pay an extra 500 Baht over the so called going rate, then you should not even be coming to Thaialnd. Every lady has the right to ask for whatever she wants. It's her body and frankly I'm tired of the price police on here.[/QUOTE]It is more of being a shopper's advocate than being the price police. If you could tell me how to save money for purchasing an identical product, then I surely would not blow you off and scream do not tell me how to spend my money. It is not about not having it to spend. It is about not paying it when it is not necessary. You should not look at it as a monetary amount because that tells you nothing. As businesses do, you should look at it as a percentage. If you can get the chick for 1000 but you paid 1500, then you should look at it as paying 50% more than you should have.

And why is it that some guys get so defensive when it comes to paying for pussy? If I was to say you know you can go online and put this code in and it will automatically drop 30% off your plane ticket, room at the Marriott, taxi ride to Pattaya, etc, nobody would reply for me not to come on here telling them how they can save 30%; and say if someone could not afford to pay the extra 30% then they should not be going to Pattaya in the first place. They would be breaking their necks to get to the website and put the code in.

But when it comes to paying for pussy, it seems many people want to have a dick measuring contest and try to prove that they can afford to pay the larger amount and attempt to shame the people who tell them they could get it for less.

Fortunately for me, I do not shame easily. I introduce myself to the girls as Mr. Cheap Charlie. So those types of methods of trying to shame me into paying more do not work.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1904524]It is more of being a shopper's advocate than being the price police. If you could tell me how to save money for purchasing an identical product, then I surely would not blow you off and scream do not tell me how to spend my money. It is not about not having it to spend. It is about not paying it when it is not necessary.[/QUOTE]This pretty much sums it up. The ladies do not think you are generous when you overpay, they think you are a chump who does not know the local prices when you overpay.

SL.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1903893]LOS FR. Day 6 03 Jul.
[/QUOTE]Blanqui, nice FR. You seem to have had a great trip as always. Good mix and match of options available for picking girls. It's a refreshing change for me to see non gogo and coconut bar FR.

I hope to have similar fun in the upcoming trip.

[QUOTE=Phoenix949;1904507]

So if we start and get slumpy with here some more bath and there some more baht by the end the market is totally destroyed. ........ And for all Newcomers please be Price consistent and not even think to overpay! [/QUOTE]The market is already destroyed. It's horrifying to see such dogs getting north of 2 k for ST in Pattaya now.

[QUOTE=Phoenix949;1904507]BKKDOG,

Its not the additional bahts you pay is the System, every strict businessman has to buy his "goods" at the very best Price. So if we start and get slumpy with here some more bath and there some more baht by the end the market is totally destroyed. Sure expenses everywhere are inc raising, but please Keep our "Business" here still affordable for everybody. And for all Newcomers please be Price consistent and not even think to overpay! All lucky monger will be thankfully to you.[/QUOTE]Oh please! The people on ISG are such a tiny minority of the "market" that even if all off a sudden we all start paying 10 times the usual rate it wouldn't move the market either up or down.

You seem to have a very naive idea about how markets work or do you really believe that every morning a committee of working girls convenes to analyse market trends and set the rates for the next night?

The few of us on ISG can't stop the Japanese wrecking ball regarding pricing. They've already destroyed it long before I got here. I'm trying my best to get the best price and it has become a bit of a game to me. However, if a super hot gogo girl decides she won't go with me for under 2500 ST then I need to decide to spend a bit more or go with a dog for 1000. Personally, I'm always going for the best looker possible.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1904755]The market is already destroyed. It's horrifying to see such dogs getting north of 2 k for ST in Pattaya now.[/QUOTE]Same in Bangkok. And to top it off they try to make the ST as short as possible. Have a friend in NYC. He can get ultra hot Russian gals for 200 USD per hour. As many pops as you can. Gals are skilled, know how to seduce, and bring sexy clothes with them. With BF in Pattaya and BKK you are well north of 100 USD and you are not even getting a full hour. Usually the gals are not that skilled ether. Now, you tell me which place is value for money?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1904792]However, if a super hot gogo girl decides she won't go with me for under 2500 ST then I need to decide to spend a bit more or go with a dog for 1000.[/QUOTE]Why do you work with the premise that the 2500 baht girl is super hot and the 1000 baht girl is a dog?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1904890]Why do you work with the premise that the 2500 baht girl is super hot and the 1000 baht girl is a dog?[/QUOTE]LOL it's simple math. If a 9 looks lady asks 2,500 baht then the lady who asks 1,000 baht *must* be a 3. 6 looks (9 x 1000/2500) it is an efficiently tiered market after all.

Same thinking is venue based: all Beach Road ladies *must* be horrid, all Lower Suk freelancers *must* be well past their sell date, all BJ shop ladies *must* be skanks.

SL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1904797]Same in Bangkok. And to top it off they try to make the ST as short as possible. Have a friend in NYC. He can get ultra hot Russian gals for 200 USD per hour. As many pops as you can. Gals are skilled, know how to seduce, and bring sexy clothes with them. With BF in Pattaya and BKK you are well north of 100 USD and you are not even getting a full hour. Usually the gals are not that skilled ether. Now, you tell me which place is value for money?[/QUOTE]If I had 7,000 baht to spend in Bangkok and looking to match VFM as compared to your friends experience I would do 3 x a two hour session at the PSE oilies.

IMO three different ladies / six hours / decent+ looks / decent+ performance compares favorably to one lady / one hour / hot looks / well skilled.

SL.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1904786]Oh please! The people on ISG are such a tiny minority of the "market" that even if all off a sudden we all start paying 10 times the usual rate it wouldn't move the market either up or down.
[/QUOTE]Most common sense post re the subject! ISG -- like it or not, it's the truth.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1904786]Oh please! The people on ISG are such a tiny minority of the "market" that even if all off a sudden we all start paying 10 times the usual rate it wouldn't move the market either up or down.

You seem to have a very naive idea about how markets work or do you really believe that every morning a committee of working girls convenes to analyse market trends and set the rates for the next night?[/QUOTE]Maybe you misunderstood my comments wrong. I not think that there needs a committee to fix the Prices, the chicks do it for themselves as they talk to each others about this topic. If is easy to ask for 2000 or 2500, why should they accept less, that's why our mongers friends Need to be more carefully. If there is no way to negotiate and accept directly then we will pay in not so Long time 3000 or 3500 or even more. The try to slow down the pace of increasing the rate. Be more reluctant in negotiations.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1904565]And why is it that some guys get so defensive when it comes to paying for pussy? If I was to say you know you can go online and put this code in and it will automatically drop 30% off your plane ticket, room at the Marriott, taxi ride to Pattaya, etc, nobody would reply for me not to come on here telling them how they can save 30%; and say if someone could not afford to pay the extra 30% then they should not be going to Pattaya in the first place. They would be breaking their necks to get to the website and put the code in.

But when it comes to paying for pussy, it seems many people want to have a dick measuring contest and try to prove that they can afford to pay the larger amount and attempt to shame the people who tell them they could get it for less.

Fortunately for me, I do not shame easily. I introduce myself to the girls as Mr. Cheap Charlie. So those types of methods of trying to shame me into paying more do not work.[/QUOTE]I'm not taking sides, just going to comment not criticizing anyone but throwing in my 2 cent in a humorous way I guess?

Talking about price is as old as the profession itself. Same as looks service etc. Etc. It just goes on and on. That is why I do not criticize anyone as to what they do especially when I do not know the person at all. What I do know is when it comes to pussy people are going to make up a whole lot of reasons even when it sounds stupid. I can attest first hand from family and friends who have visited me through the years regardless how smart and successful they are in their lives as soon as they get off the airplane something happens to them. Thailand is considered the Land of Smile, but for the mongers it is the Land of Stupid, as soon as they walk out of Immigration and smell the air and absorb the heat their Will and Brain has been taken over. How they normally think at home? How one got to be so successful in life it makes one wonder? I've come to know the answer? It is pussy! That is mans weakness pure and simple!

I've heard from some very smart and well off people say such things as " I pay extra because she gives me good service " when I and others had her much less. " I do what I do because I'm a nice guy and have a good heart " like if I pay the going rate or less I'm a bad person? The best one is " Thais are poor so I give them more to help them and their family " like if I pay the going rate or less I do not care. One time a very close family and another very close friend complaint about ditching them because they felt they were driving up the price of pussy. They told me all of above and not trying to take sides but told them I didn't blame them and added since I was like a brother to them what I thought. That I wouldn't talk too loud because people would think you guys were stupid? As for helping families and having such a good heart you guys are paying for my dinner, we can go to the corner of Sukhumvit to throw cash out on the road and after I will take both of you to the orphanage to donate some money. I blasted them my whole life I've never seen them visit a church or took the time to volunteer for a good cause now they were going to be the Saint of Thailand. I heard and sometimes I think I've seen it all? But I now conclude no matter what I think or say I just tell them " Enjoy yourself don't make stupid excuses except the criticism because no matter how often you visit or how long you have lived here everyone pays their dues and make mistakes.

Price question and debate will continue forever as long as the profession exist. It is no more annoying than mongers coming on the board asking where can I find the most beautiful girls, where are the biggest tits, should I visit the Go Go, Gentlemen clubs, Beer Bar, Soapy, and yes the thing with I can get it for free because I'm young and handsome? There is nothing for free in life, sooner or later it comes back and bit you in the ass? Then there are the few who just come on the board gather information provide no reports then complaint about any subject not directly related to pussy. Then there are guys like myself who just come to lurk now.

Thailand is not the same look around the world as it turns nothing is the same. People come to experience the past when they do not find it complain things have change? If they found the past GFE, PSE, the pussy would be bigger and deeper than the black hole and one would hope the cum facial she has been taking would hopefully keep her young while she wait for you to return. So people if you come or don't come but I suggest if you do. Read the board gather the information use it as a guide because nothing is a sure thing, hit all the venues find out for yourself because like a cheap suit it goes out of style, places open and close girls come and go. What get old today will come back tomorrow but the price you once pay will be gone. Sure what you overpay isn't going to affect the market but it does have a affect over time because stupid doesn't just affect mongers?


My best advice for anyone coming to Thailand is after years, months, and hours on the airplane with a internal building up of cum, instead of looking for the right girl etc. Pay what you want but unload the white lava pressure right away! That is the only way to clear your head so you can think straight the rest of your trip. I remember years ago the favorite thing for me was hit up a place like Sanzuke, After hours on the plane, check in the hotel in Bangkok, get a 1 plus hour salt massage srub baht with a happy send off. Another was a quick visit to Baron, or Rin (butterball) for her famous ball massage. Enjoy fellas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1904890]Why do you work with the premise that the 2500 baht girl is super hot and the 1000 baht girl is a dog?[/QUOTE]Not sure that he did. We all know there are plenty of dogs in the gogo clubs and that there are a few gems on Soi 6. You just have to go out and find who you like and decide how much you are willing to pay. Sometimes you can negotiate, other times not so much. (But I have never studied at the feet of the great master, Mr. E, either!) But given the choice between a 1000 dog on WS or a 2500 hottie on Soi 6, I agree with Banana Boy and will go for the hottie.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1905068]After hours on the plane, check in the hotel in Bangkok, get a 1 plus hour salt massage srub baht with a happy send off. Another was a quick visit to Baron, or Rin (butterball) for her famous ball massage.[/QUOTE]Rin has some of the best pussy I have had to this day. I told her that I would marry her. I wonder what ever happened to her. Did she actually work at Subway Sandwich Shop or was there some other thing called Subway that she worked at?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1905144]Rin has some of the best pussy I have had to this day. I told her that I would marry her. I wonder what ever happened to her. Did she actually work at Subway Sandwich Shop or was there some other thing called Subway that she worked at?[/QUOTE]Damn, you are truly Mr. E? you had her too? Rin was a cutie when she was young. I haven't seen her in a few years like four or five. Last time was when she sold her shop told me she got tired of paying the BIB like 40,000 a month. She was for sure the oldest and heaviest I've done in Thailand. I never felt she was fat she was build like what we called a Fireplug? There was only two women I knew in Thailand when you pay for 2 hours oil massage actually got a good massage and extra for 2 hours. This women could give a back and bun massage, I once counted her stroking my buns each side 100 times. To this day I should have nightmares but when she had you turn over started on the ball massage, when you couldn't take anymore she took her top off (nice rack) and took off those grannies panties and hung them up which covered the whole door it was too late to run. I do not know what it is like fucking a butter ball base turkey but she comes the closes. This women you didn't need any help with chemicals her ball massages would have your flag pole up get you talking crazy stuff like you love her and want to take her overnight. She always looked at me like I was crazy whether I was serious or not? Now that was one of those good old days.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1904936]LOL it's simple math. If a 9 looks lady asks 2,500 baht then the lady who asks 1,000 baht *must* be a 3. 6 looks (9 x 1000/2500) it is an efficiently tiered market after all.

Same thinking is venue based: all Beach Road ladies *must* be horrid, all Lower Suk freelancers *must* be well past their sell date, all BJ shop ladies *must* be skanks.[/QUOTE]Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or speaking straight. If it's sarcasm, I fully agree.

Venue might have some bearing on average looks on offer, but good looking individuals can be found all over the place... at least that was the case some years ago, these days I get an impression almost *all* Pattaya working girls are well below average Thai female looks, maybe even the bottom quarterly (if you compare, say, to girls on the BTS in Bangkok).

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1905156]Damn, you are truly Mr. E? you had her too? Rin was a cutie when she was young. I haven't seen her in a few years like four or five.[/QUOTE]It has been that long since I have seen her too. I never go to Bangkok anymore, but when she had the shop I had to take my brother and my dad there for the balls massage their first time in Thailand. I asked her how she came up with it and she said a customer came in and wanted her to do it and showed her how. I guess she was a natural because that was definitely her calling.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1904524]It is more of being a shopper's advocate than being the price police. If you could tell me how to save money for purchasing an identical product, then I surely would not blow you off and scream do not tell me how to spend my money. It is not about not having it to spend. It is about not paying it when it is not necessary. You should not look at it as a monetary amount because that tells you nothing. As businesses do, you should look at it as a percentage. If you can get the chick for 1000 but you paid 1500, then you should look at it as paying 50% more than you should have.[/QUOTE]Price police, shoppers advocate, call it what you want but it's getting extremely boring.

Guys, what the * I'm going to Pattaya next week from Bangkok and I was hoping to read some current reports but it's impossible. This whole thread is Cheap Charlies complaining and pleading about not to pay too much!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1905262]Guys, what the * I'm going to Pattaya next week from Bangkok and I was hoping to read some current reports but it's impossible. This whole thread is Cheap Charlies complaining and pleading about not to pay too much![/QUOTE]While running down your fellow ISG members is a hard habit to break; perhaps if you stop complaining yourself and directly ask some specific questions regarding your areas of interest, folks will behave more to your liking.

SL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1905262]Guys, what the * I'm going to Pattaya next week from Bangkok and I was hoping to read some current reports but it's impossible. This whole thread is Cheap Charlies complaining and pleading about not to pay too much![/QUOTE]That ought to tell you something. With so many people complaining; there must be something wrong. And it's simple; the value for money is just not there anymore. If it was great then no one would be complaining.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1905357]That ought to tell you something. With so many people complaining; there must be something wrong. And it's simple; the value for money is just not there anymore. If it was great then no one would be complaining.[/QUOTE]I tell the go-go girls who approach me that my name is Kee Neeow and I'm a butterfly. They always laugh; and somehow, someway many of them – not all, but the ones who like cheerful smiling old men -- still give me their phone numbers, come to my condo, or meet me before work; I never pay bar fines; and I still manage to get laid as much as I want. So I can tell you that nothing is wrong in Pattaya; I can still get value for my money; and I'm not complaining. If an old fart like me can do it, so can you.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1905356]While running down your fellow ISG members is a hard habit to break; perhaps if you stop complaining yourself and directly ask some specific questions regarding your areas of interest, folks will behave more to your liking.

SL.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1905357]That ought to tell you something. With so many people complaining; there must be something wrong. And it's simple; the value for money is just not there anymore. If it was great then no one would be complaining.[/QUOTE]


As a wise member of ISG once said, or 2 members, search the forum, all the answers are there. I'm looking for an up to date report about what's going on in Pattaya and it's impossible with all this price complaining. I'm not looking for any specific questions to be answered. For example, how's Insomnia these days, what are the quality of girls like this past week. I should just be able to read the forum and enjoy it to get these answers. Instead, it's full of all this negative crap. If you don't like Thaialnd, one can go elsewhere instead of complaining.

In the end, every woman and man has their price to pay and accept. Deal with it and monger within your means. It is and always has been supply and demand. I'm sick of the Cheap Charlies and now even you two have jumped on the band wagon with them. Are times tough for the two of you now?

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1905374]I tell the go-go girls who approach me that my name is Kee Neeow and I'm a butterfly. They always laugh; and somehow, someway many of them not all, but the ones who like cheerful smiling old men -- still give me their phone numbers, come to my condo, or meet me before work; I never pay bar fines; and I still manage to get laid as much as I want. So I can tell you that nothing is wrong in Pattaya; I can still get value for my money; and I'm not complaining. If an old fart like me can do it, so can you.[/QUOTE]Well said and intelligent to boot.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1905376] I'm looking for an up to date report about what's going on in Pattaya and it's impossible with all this price complaining. [/QUOTE]Lighten up BKKdog; it can't be that bad. If I remember correctly you're getting all you can handle on the Internet chat sites now. So why let a few cheap Charlie's bother you? You want an up to date report on what's going on in Pattaya now. That's a rather broad request isn't it? Whatever you want is here; I can tell you that regardless of your budget. So cheer up and enjoy!

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1905385]Lighten up BKKdog; it can't be that bad. If I remember correctly you're getting all you can handle on the Internet chat sites now. So why let a few cheap Charlie's bother you? You want an up to date report on what's going on in Pattaya now. That's a rather broad request isn't it? Whatever you want is here; I can tell you that regardless of your budget. So cheer up and enjoy![/QUOTE]The chat apps are getting a little stale so I'm trying to Mix it up a bit. It's not a broad request actually. I just want to be able to read the forum and not have to weed through all the crap about the prices being too high and how good it was in the olden days. Anyways cheers mate.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1905376]I'm looking for an up to date report about what's going on in Pattaya and it's impossible with all this price complaining. I'm not looking for any specific questions to be answered. For example, how's Insomnia these days, what are the quality of girls like this past week. I should just be able to read the forum and enjoy it to get these answers. Instead, it's full of all this negative crap. If you don't like Thaialnd, one can go elsewhere instead of complaining.

In the end, every woman and man has their price to pay and accept. Deal with it and monger within your means. It is and always has been supply and demand. I'm sick of the Cheap Charlies and now even you two have jumped on the band wagon with them. Are times tough for the two of you now?[/QUOTE]The only negative crap I see on here is coming from you. Who is here complaining about price? What I see is more reports of you saying people are complaining about price and calling people cheap charlies and saying what you don't want to read (did Jackson die and leave ISG to you?) than there have been of someone saying anything about price. Since you know so much about price but don't seem to know much about anything else (biitching that you can't find an Insomnia report and don't know the quality of the women there), please at least fill us in on how much we should be paying the ladies of Pattaya.

In the 10 years that I have been going to Pattaya not much has changed. You go find a chick, fuck her, and give her money. Besides that everyone has different tastes and YMMV. We look forward to your Insomnia reports you big spender you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1905527] (did Jackson die and leave ISG to you?) .[/QUOTE]Anyone know if this is true? Hey, Jackson dude: You still alive and kicking? LOL!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1905376]As a wise member of ISG once said, or 2 members, search the forum, all the answers are there. I'm looking for an up to date report about what's going on in Pattaya and it's impossible with all this price complaining. I'm not looking for any specific questions to be answered. For example, how's Insomnia these days, what are the quality of girls like this past week. I should just be able to read the forum and enjoy it to get these answers. Instead, it's full of all this negative crap. If you don't like Thaialnd, one can go elsewhere instead of complaining.

In the end, every woman and man has their price to pay and accept. Deal with it and monger within your means. It is and always has been supply and demand. I'm sick of the Cheap Charlies and now even you two have jumped on the band wagon with them. Are times tough for the two of you now?[/QUOTE]Should, would. Could. The forum is different things to different people. Price is definitely up for discussion.

Cheap Charlie? Hardly. I do expect value for money, and sorry at the prices many dudes are paying today most Thai gals are not good value for money. I mean really, how many Thai gals have you had that your would describe as amazing in bed? How many really know their way around a man's anatomy and can take you to the brink, bring you down, and back up again? How many experiment with different techniques? How many are seductive in the room in manner and dress? In my experience; not many. The allure of Thailand was never amazingly skilled gals; it was volume, fun, and low cost. Well, at least for me and for many of the punters that I know. The fact that you could have a gal for 25 USD in BKK and 500 Baht in Patters was wonderful. At that price expectations were low as well. Who cares how great she is when you are paying 1 k Baht? Hell, it's worth that even if she is a bit of a starfish and it's only a really short ST, even a quickie. But now you are talking 4 times that price or more in many instances. And hey, I don't know about you but even counting for inflation there are very few things that have gone up percentage wise like that. Again, I have no issue paying that kind of money for a great looking girl who posses the skills and delivers the experience to warrant that type of money. Remember we live in a nation where the average income is still about 500 USD per month. Now let's contrast that with NYC where people make real money. Friends there are getting great looking Russian gals for 200 USD per hour. MSOG, GFE, PSE, seduction, great skill sets. Find me Thai gals like that and I will gladly shell out the 4-5 K. But sorry, in comparison GoGo gals in BKK and Pattaya are not good value.

Supply and demand? There are instances where the theory just does not apply to the P4 P industry in Asia. I could give you several examples.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1905774]let's contrast that with NYC where people make real money. Friends there are getting great looking Russian gals for 200 USD per hour. MSOG, GFE, PSE, seduction, great skill sets. Find me Thai gals like that and I will gladly shell out the 4-5 K. But sorry, in comparison GoGo gals in BKK and Pattaya are not good value.
[/QUOTE]Don't believe what your NY friends are telling you. Great looking Russian girls performing all the good stuff in NYC will run you at least thousand dollars, probably a significant amount more. You don't believe me? Listen to what Jordan Belfort had to say about NY hookers in the early '90's:

"The truth was that hookers did take credit cards or at least ours did! In fact, hookers were so much a part of the Stratton subculture that we classified them like publicly traded stocks: [B]Blue Chips were considered the top-of-the-line hooker, zee crme de la crme. They were usually struggling young models or exceptionally beautiful college girls in desperate need of tuition or designer clothing, and for a few thousand dollars they would do almost anything imaginable, either to you or to each other.

Next came the NASDAQs, who were one step down from the Blue Chips. They were priced between three and five hundred dollars and made you wear a condom unless you gave them a hefty tip, which I always did.

Then came the Pink Sheet hookers, who were the lowest form of all, usually a streetwalker or the sort of low-class hooker who showed up in response to a desperate late-night phone call to a number in Screw magazine or the yellow pages. They usually cost a hundred dollars or less, and if you didnt wear a condom, youd get a penicillin shot the next day and then pray that your dick didnt fall off..."[/B]

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Astounding, at times, to hear of posters' wonderful alleged sexploits with sex workers in the GestopoLand That is Sex Prison USA. Now, I'd love to hear of some good ol' down-home Hooking Oppos, but frankly, it's easy to read the news, of 50 ish Asian hags getting nabbed for offering wanks to coppers, etc. Etc. The claims of Russkies to be had for $200 in the vicinity of NYC, or a thousand miles within, are. F*ing absurd. One must consider the risk, in this paradise of *cough" Democracy *uncough* of participating in the sport, of having your property (car, whatever) confiscated, ruining your livelihood, and the list goes on. As they say, don't shit where you sleep. I frolick in Asia. And you should too. Now, if any one is able to point me in the direction of relatively risk-free action with some Asian lookers 18-35 in the Midwest USA, under $400 a pop, I'd be happy to hear of it. I won't be expecting answers, just sympathy. Until then, we've got. BKK, Patts, AC. As long as it lasts.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1905840]Don't believe what your NY friends are telling you. Great looking Russian girls performing all the good stuff in NYC will run you at least thousand dollars, probably a significant amount more. You don't believe me? Listen to what Jordan Belfort had to say about NY hookers in the early '90's:

"The truth was that hookers did take credit cards or at least ours did! In fact, hookers were so much a part of the Stratton subculture that we classified them like publicly traded stocks: [B]Blue Chips were considered the top-of-the-line hooker, zee crme de la crme. They were usually struggling young models or exceptionally beautiful college girls in desperate need of tuition or designer clothing, and for a few thousand dollars they would do almost anything imaginable, either to you or to each other.

Next came the NASDAQs, who were one step down from the Blue Chips. They were priced between three and five hundred dollars and made you wear a condom unless you gave them a hefty tip, which I always did.

Then came the Pink Sheet hookers, who were the lowest form of all, usually a streetwalker or the sort of low-class hooker who showed up in response to a desperate late-night phone call to a number in Screw magazine or the yellow pages. They usually cost a hundred dollars or less, and if you didnt wear a condom, youd get a penicillin shot the next day and then pray that your dick didnt fall off..."[/B][/QUOTE]Natty the economy in the US was booming in the 90's. Almost everyone was making big money. Now folks are working two jobs in many cases just to pay the bills. My friends tell me the price for hookers has gone down considerably in many parts of the US. Very different economy now.

While we are discussing how one should or should not spend in Pattaya, look what some people do. Surely, this encourage girls in GoGo bars to make a living purely from drinks. 12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That is 3 days of budget, even for a liberal spender like me. The bigger tragedy is, a closer look at the girl will reveal that she isn't a stunner either. Sigh!!

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[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1905920]While we are discussing how one should or should not spend in Pattaya, look what some people do. Surely, this encourage girls in GoGo bars to make a living purely from drinks. 12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That is 3 days of budget, even for a liberal spender like me. The bigger tragedy is, a closer look at the girl will reveal that she isn't a stunner either. Sigh!![/QUOTE]If you look closely at the photo it seems that the bill is itemizing ladydrinks for each girl, most only got a few drinks but the one near the top's bill is in the thousand baht number.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1905920] 12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! [/QUOTE]That's crazy. You can take 5 girls home ST for that or likely the girl you bought drinks for a week.

Since I'm not in tourist mode I find I am very cheap with my LD's now. Even for the girls I want I am limiting them. No complaints at all from any of the girls.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1904492]Guys just a harmless comment but it needs to be said. Please don't come on here and cry about being overcharged for amounts such as 500 Baht. If you can't afford to pay an extra 500 Baht over the so called going rate, then you should not even be coming to Thailand. Every lady has the right to ask for whatever she wants. It's her body and frankly I'm tired of the price police on here.[/QUOTE]Not all guys let these woman hustlers walk all over them. Yes a woman can ask whatever she wants and obviously she will try to get as much as she can from you. She sizes you up from the way you dress, your jewelry, and the way you act. Guys, also have the right to pay as much or as little as they want. Some guys are doormats and these woman who are pro's will eat you alive. I can almost guarantee many of these guys that just give the girl what ever she wants are the same guys that after they leave continue to send money to these girls actually thinking the girl is his girlfriend. Many guys have no negotiation skills with woman or even know how to talk to woman. So they can't understand the fact that they are paying two to three times more when everyone else is paying less.

Many guys go to Thailand themselves. They never see the girl interacting with other customers. If they did they would no be on her bragging about paying an extra 500 Baht. They would realize wow I am being treated differently than other customers. This girl is taken advantage of me and just walk away right there if she does not charge me what everyone else pays. But, because this is mostly done on a one on one discussion. Guys don't see what's going on even if other guys are telling him.

If we are talking about Pattaya with the exception of go go girls. The cost is 500-1000 baht. 1000 is the maximum. If she is charging you more it is because she either does not respect you, things you are a sucker or is repulsed by you and is demanding more money to bribe her to spend time with you. In any case be a man and stand up for yourself and walk away.

P.S, this post is on the topic of price and is not directed to Bkkdog. It is to everyone on price in general.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1905374]I tell the go-go girls who approach me that my name is Kee Neeow and I'm a butterfly. They always laugh; and somehow, someway many of them not all, but the ones who like cheerful smiling old men -- still give me their phone numbers, come to my condo, or meet me before work; I never pay bar fines; and I still manage to get laid as much as I want. So I can tell you that nothing is wrong in Pattaya; I can still get value for my money; and I'm not complaining. If an old fart like me can do it, so can you.[/QUOTE]When I imagine living there I imagine a mongering life like this. Thank you for the simple description on your methods.

On my last trip I learned halfway through to tell them I'm Korean, it always gets a big laugh which is one way to a pretty women's heart. I'm glad to read your mo and will follow in your footsteps.

As a tourist your world is not really available (for me / others) but if you have a couple of months or live there some charm / baht will make your dreams come true.

Thanks for the post. I still have hope.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1905920]12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That is 3 days of budget, even for a liberal spender like me. The bigger tragedy is, a closer look at the girl will reveal that she isn't a stunner either. Sigh!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1906061]That's crazy. You can take 5 girls home ST for that or likely the girl you bought drinks for a week.[/QUOTE] 12240 baht is nothing. From the web, Rehab on soi buakhao, 2012.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1905920]While we are discussing how one should or should not spend in Pattaya, look what some people do. Surely, this encourage girls in GoGo bars to make a living purely from drinks. 12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That is 3 days of budget, even for a liberal spender like me. The bigger tragedy is, a closer look at the girl will reveal that she isn't a stunner either. Sigh!![/QUOTE]Do you know for sure that it was just 1 guy? Sometimes it could be 2 or more Korean, Japanese etc. Paying on 1 bill.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1906074]

If we are talking about Pattaya with the exception of go go girls. The cost is 500-1000 baht. 1000 is the maximum. If she is charging you more it is because she either does not respect you, things you are a sucker or is repulsed by you and is demanding more money to bribe her to spend time with you. In any case be a man and stand up for yourself and walk away.

P.S, this post is on the topic of price and is not directed to Bkkdog. It is to everyone on price in general.[/QUOTE]I don't think the main issue is girls disrespecting customers, what's said to who when we aren't around. The main issue here is the concern rates will go up, happens on every board. Guy blows into town with a wad of cash, spends it all over the place and next thing you know your being asked for double the going rate. But if people still want to discuss prices and how some are overpaying, please provide us with your sources of income so we can get a better picture of what's really driving you.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1906186]Do you know for sure that it was just 1 guy? Sometimes it could be 2 or more Korean, Japanese etc. Paying on 1 bill.[/QUOTE]It appears to be the tally for the night; not just 1 person's tab.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1906186]Do you know for sure that it was just 1 guy? Sometimes it could be 2 or more Korean, Japanese etc. Paying on 1 bill.[/QUOTE]In all due respect how in the world did you come up with the perception that the bill had anything to do with Koreans or Japanese? Whether it was one guy, two or even 3 etc. ?

During the day I mainly hit Soi 6, Kinnaree, and look for cute girls in MP's. Are their other options I am missing during the day to find cute girls?

Night agenda is easy to fill for me with soi 6, gogo clubs, and regular dance clubs. I also check out soapies but have yet to go with anyone since the value isn't there (ie. for 2500 I'd rather take out a gogo girl ST than pay 2500-4000 for a soapie). FYI, the only decent girls at Honey 2 now are in the 4k group.

The average guy whether he's been to Pattaya once or ten times is manipulated by the whole system of opening up wallets. The top bars (aggressive drink pushers) are geared to get your money, and not provide you w / quality service. Probably half the bars I went into are aggressively pushing alcohol on me, every 4 minutes, another drink sir? The bargirls are a big part of this money grabbing system, so are the waitresses.

So when a nice guy who enjoys a few drinks walks into aggressive bars he is really up against a big machine geared to fleece him. After a few bars you're drunk and throwing money around you love everybody and that's the intention of the bars. They all work together, they all benefit from each other.

That's why the local expats don't toy w / these bars, it's a no win. They hang in the low end beer bars, day time gentlemen clubs etc, and once in a while hit WS w / visiting friends.

If you like to drink the bar will try and take control of how much you consume to get more out of your wallet and make you stupid. As you can see their system works very well.

Bangkok, Pattaya, it's not a friendly poker there unless you stay away from the aggressive gogos. The last few times in Patts I enjoyed the lower pressure at LK Metro bars. Not as many stunners (no where near) but plenty of nice women and little drink hustle.

It's the system that's the enemy, not the savvy bar girl, she's just doing what management tells her she must do.

That's my take anyway. Thailand was a letdown for me. I'll give it another go soon.

Funny side story, I was visiting a buddy in Udon Thani and we were at the Day and Night complex (20 bars in a big barn like structure). At the end of one side there was this lively sexy MILF bar girl wearing a cute hat. She got us to sit and have a drink. She was nice and of course I offered and she excepted a LD. The drinks come and I take a sip of my beer and she has her drink in hand. I turn to say something to my buddy and this liquid hits my right shoulder and face. I thought WTF was that? I turn towards her and she wiping liquid off her arm. I asked, did you just throw that drink away? She was shocked that she got caught. Yes you did, as I turned my attention she chucked the drink w / her left hand accidentally hitting me w / it. We left and did not pay for the LD. What a little snake she was. Apparently she had a bad reputation up there, my buddy read about her before that night in the local expat news.

Anyway, in Thailand if your expectations are low then you will be on easy street. OTOH if you're into high end gogos, Sensations, Happy Agogo, Bacarra etc, I forget the others because I don't patronize them, you'll get played and spend more than intended. Most stunners will not go w / you unless you're K or J.

I liked Electric Blue a hustle bar too but less so. Bikini Agogo (more user friendly) etc. In LK Metro Sugar Sugar, Champagne Agogo etc I liked those.

The sharp younger mongers might do quite well along w / the older more disciplined guys in the rip off top bars where the hottest pussy dance.

I'm unhappy in these places more times than not. I'm in awe of the beautiful Thai women (I can't have), just unbelievable. I'll figure it out someday or continue to be manipulated.

And disappointed. I don't play Soi 6, probably much easier going there. Lots of guys love it there. I like the farm fresh dancers in the gogos, I'll continue to hunt in the gogos.

Best.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1906227]In all due respect how in the world did you come up with the perception that the bill had anything to do with Koreans or Japanese? Whether it was one guy, two or even 3 etc. ?[/QUOTE]He had a perception based on.

1/ japanese and koreans, by "culture", tend to spend a lot in The evening Entertainment, especially on drinks.

They do this a lot At home. They Can easily do this on vacation in LOS where drinks are cheaper and they are there to have fun.

2/ Japanese and Korean tend to go out in groups, easily 3-5, one pays or all goes under one tab, hence a large bill.

Split that bill in 3-5 and it gets down to a more "reasonable" spending capacity of each individual.

There have been nights when I spent 2/2500 baht in two people in a bar, and I am not a drinker.

What's wrong in spending money if you have it and want to spend it?

It is thanks to the spenders that lots of bars do exist and are around.

For the benefits of the non-spenders too as they can have them available.

I can't see a bar making a living based on 5-10 customers buying 3-4 drinks a night.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1906316]It is thanks to the spenders that lots of bars do exist and are around.

For the benefits of the non-spenders too as they can have them available.

I can't see a bar making a living based on 5-10 customers buying 3-4 drinks a night.[/QUOTE]A big thanks to these big spenders to keep the bar and gogo club system alive and well!

I will stay on my "one drink for me and one ladydrink for her" regime before I take her to my room and have fun with her while the bar-sponsors are racking up their bills.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1906316]He had a perception based on.

1/ japanese and koreans, by "culture", tend to spend a lot in The evening Entertainment, especially on drinks.

They do this a lot At home. They Can easily do this on vacation in LOS where drinks are cheaper and they are there to have fun.

2/ Japanese and Korean tend to go out in groups, easily 3-5, one pays or all goes under one tab, hence a large bill.

Split that bill in 3-5 and it gets down to a more "reasonable" spending capacity of each individual.

There have been nights when I spent 2/2500 baht in two people in a bar, and I am not a drinker.

What's wrong in spending money if you have it and want to spend it?

It is thanks to the spenders that lots of bars do exist and are around.

For the benefits of the non-spenders too as they can have them available.

I can't see a bar making a living based on 5-10 customers buying 3-4 drinks a night.[/QUOTE]Just curious as to how one come to that conclusion?

Those are all reason you yourself gave, But I was asking the original poster, I'm looking at the bill and do not see where it would indicate that this bill belongs to a Asian group. I've seen Non-Asians throwing ping pongs, I've seen Non-Asians buy drinks in groups and split bills, I've seen Non-Asians pay Bar-Fine and service upfront, I've seen Non-Asian pay under and above the market. Where on the bill indicates this is a Asian group? And finally where in my question suggest I might be against a person " spending money if they have it? " .

[QUOTE=TomSf;1906074]Not all guys let these woman hustlers walk all over them. Yes a woman can ask whatever she wants and obviously she will try to get as much as she can from you. She sizes you up from the way you dress, your jewelry, and the way you act. Guys, also have the right to pay as much or as little as they want. Some guys are doormats and these woman who are pro's will eat you alive. I can almost guarantee many of these guys that just give the girl what ever she wants are the same guys that after they leave continue to send money to these girls actually thinking the girl is his girlfriend. Many guys have no negotiation skills with woman or even know how to talk to woman. So they can't understand the fact that they are paying two to three times more when everyone else is paying less.

Many guys go to Thailand themselves. They never see the girl interacting with other customers. If they did they would no be on her bragging about paying an extra 500 Baht. They would realize wow I am being treated differently than other customers. This girl is taken advantage of me and just walk away right there if she does not charge me what everyone else pays. But, because this is mostly done on a one on one discussion. Guys don't see what's going on even if other guys are telling him.

If we are talking about Pattaya with the exception of go go girls. The cost is 500-1000 baht. 1000 is the maximum. If she is charging you more it is because she either does not respect you, things you are a sucker or is repulsed by you and is demanding more money to bribe her to spend time with you. In any case be a man and stand up for yourself and walk away.

P.S, this post is on the topic of price and is not directed to Bkkdog. It is to everyone on price in general.[/QUOTE]Then no need to quote me then. Sarcasm is priceless isn't it?

[QUOTE=TomSf;1906074]If we are talking about Pattaya with the exception of go go girls. The cost is 500-1000 baht. 1000 is the maximum. [/QUOTE]ANY girl in ANY bar is under 1000 baht ST? I haven't really hit on any bar girls but if this is truly the case I have seen the odd one here and there I will consider for 1000. I just never bother since imo they aren't as pretty as top gogo girls but for 1000 worth considering.

Never asked but I am assuming girls from soapies are going to be more than 1000 as well.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1906074]If we are talking about Pattaya with the exception of go go girls. The cost is 500-1000 baht. 1000 is the maximum. If she is charging you more it is because she either does not respect you, things you are a sucker or is repulsed by you and is demanding more money to bribe her to spend time with you. In any case be a man and stand up for yourself and walk away.[/QUOTE]Did you just return with your timemachine from the past?

1000 baht + 300 baht barfine is the standard tariff for ST in any bar of Soi 6.

Only Beach Road girls may come cheaper.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1906641]ANY girl in ANY bar is under 1000 baht ST? I haven't really hit on any bar girls but if this is truly the case I have seen the odd one here and there I will consider for 1000. I just never bother since imo they aren't as pretty as top gogo girls but for 1000 worth considering.

Never asked but I am assuming girls from soapies are going to be more than 1000 as well.[/QUOTE]Soapie girls start at 2 k. Bkk soapie girls cuter than Patts counterparts. Sideline / model can be 7 k+. Bad value because FL perform better if you pick right girl. Soapie is scripted and for tourists to cross off bucket list or burn cash. Bright side room included and drinks unnecessary. Some soapie girls have begun to suggest how much to tip. Tour buses cause prices to inflate.

I don't normally post about all my gogo clubs adventures since guys on here said it's same crap over and over again. I am posting this since I believe G-Spot is a new club on WS. It is the same chain as Electric Blue and Dollhouse. For those coming to WS save your time and skip G-spot. Not quite as bad as Dollhouse. Electric Blue OTOH is pretty good with a couple nice girls. Also a fairly dirty club.

Also wanted to put a warning on #14 at Glass House. Save your money on LD for this one. She looks really good but poor attitude. I did get a few brief intervals of DFK and minimal lap dancing but not enough for me to keep her more than 1 drink or to BF. Too bad.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1906301]During the day I mainly hit Soi 6, Kinnaree, and look for cute girls in MP's. Are their other options I am missing during the day to find cute girls?[/QUOTE]Since no one responded I decided to try Soi Full Love inn and Soi Xzyte this afternoon. While walking along soi 25 on the way to Soi Full Love Inn checked out the massage places. There were actually a handful of ok looking young girls buried in with the ladyboys and old ladies. I thought I would return but didn't make it.

Excite Club on Soi Xzyte. This is my 2nd visit to this club and I'll skip it unless I see some nice girls outside. Mamasan is very nice to me. I was the only customer and there were about 8 girls. Even at 1000 baht I couldn't find anyone to go with. Good thing is it's only steps away from LK Metro so you can always walk by.

Pirate Club on Soi Full Love Inn. Last time on Soi Full Love Inn I sessioned in Club 007. This time I purposely went to Pirate first. Maybe about 6 guys and 12 girls. There were 3 girls I considered ok but the one I wanted was talking with a black guy who I swear was at Club 007 the other week too. The girls called him Ducky or something like that. I was relieved he left and my girl became available. She is easily the most fun one there. She introduced herself with a tongue down my throat. That usually works for me for girls I find attractive. Found myself in a room soon after. After showering together we got on the bed with intense DFK. Started decent BBBJ then RJ. Then in every position we fucked in we DFK'd. I guess this girl likes to DFK too. Great time and a definite repeat. Unfortunately I totally forgot her name. Sorry. No rush at all and session ended when I said to go back downstairs. Standard pricing. 1000 FS + 700 bar tab for room and 3 drinks.

I highly recommend Pirate Club and Club 007 since I had a great time there a couple of weeks ago too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1906702] This time I purposely went to Pirate first. Maybe about 6 guys and 12 girls. [/QUOTE]WOW 12 girls, they found some staff. I been there only once 7 months ago, and left after 2 minutes because there were only 3 girls LOL.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1903888]LOS FR. Day 1 28 Jun.

We had prepared a bit for this trip and lined up quite a few girls ahead. [/QUOTE]Curious to know the best online sites to arrange FL's in advance? Have tried a few like ThaiFriendly and ThaiLoveWeb, but it seems they're mainly frequented by girls looking for LTR. Where is the best place to find like-minded FL's?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bunnies;1906831]Curious to know the best online sites to arrange FL's in advance? Have tried a few like ThaiFriendly and ThaiLoveWeb, but it seems they're mainly frequented by girls looking for LTR. Where is the best place to find like-minded FL's?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You need kind of a sixth sense. The clues are quite obvious actually. Revealing photos, a lot of pictures in the bar, the words take care me in their profile or call girl / escort, it's generally pretty easy to discover after a few minutes of chat. The working girls will agree to meet you very easily, where non P4 P girls will want hours or days of chit chat before. I'm surprised you don't know where to find them on line. WeChat has to be the easiest online source to find working girls, Badoo comes in a close second. After that Tango, Skout and Thai Joop.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1906892]You need kind of a sixth sense. The clues are quite obvious actually. Revealing photos, a lot of pictures in the bar, the words take care me in their profile or call girl / escort, it's generally pretty easy to discover after a few minutes of chat. The working girls will agree to meet you very easily, where non P4 P girls will want hours or days of chit chat before. I'm surprised you don't know where to find them on line. WeChat has to be the easiest online source to find working girls, Badoo comes in a close second. After that Tango, Skout and Thai Joop.[/QUOTE]Hah! You killed two birds with one stone there. Very efficient. And both posts were super informative.

Sensations - 1500 before midnight, 1000 after midnight. It's laughable at midnight about 30-40 girls being barfined at once.

Ninja - 1500 barfine. No sure if cheaper after midnight.

Glass house - 2000 before 1 am for models which is over half the girls. 1500 for normal girls before 1 am. 1000 after 1 am.

Unfortunate for me I wanted to take 2 models from Glass House tonight but out of principle no chance I'm paying 4000 BF and I didn't want to wait until after 1 am. Visited soi 6 instead for 1300 baht total.

Went to a massage place called three sisters. It didn't look like a place where you can get a happy end and I thought it was a normal spa. I think it is run by three sisters and I might have got the youngest one. She was really cute and did a good massage but at the end, she wanted to give me happy ending but I refused because tables were just separated by curtains. Otherwise would have been fun!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1907200]Sensations - 1500 before midnight, 1000 after midnight. It's laughable at midnight about 30-40 girls being barfined at once.

Ninja - 1500 barfine. No sure if cheaper after midnight.

Glass house - 2000 before 1 am for models which is over half the girls. 1500 for normal girls before 1 am. 1000 after 1 am.

Unfortunate for me I wanted to take 2 models from Glass House tonight but out of principle no chance I'm paying 4000 BF and I didn't want to wait until after 1 am. Visited soi 6 instead for 1300 baht total.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but those BFs are just obscene, especially considering what the gals will want for ST. Over 100 USD for a short short time. No thanks. I miss the days in Pattaya where every GoGo BF was 500 and ST was 1 k and LT was 1. 5 k. That was what it was worth and truth be told that is still what it's worth.

Agree they are obscene. Have noticed clubs also moving to a 2 pricing tier for ladydrinks as well. At Glass House it's 140 for LD's but 180 for a model. Sexy Airline is 200 for model LD. I will pay more attention to this since it wasn't until the other day I noticed model drink prices. Of course every girl I like is in the model category. For me this is a more disturbing trend than the staggered BF trend.

Not sure I agree gogo girl ST should be 1000. that's what the rate for 30-60 minutes at soi 6 would be, not to mention with a girl of MUCH LOWER quality. My average gogo girl ST lasts about 5-6 hours (not all sex time). That has to have more value than 1000.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1907367]Agree they are obscene. Have noticed clubs also moving to a 2 pricing tier for ladydrinks as well. At Glass House it's 140 for LD's but 180 for a model. Sexy Airline is 200 for model LD. I will pay more attention to this since it wasn't until the other day I noticed model drink prices. Of course every girl I like is in the model category. For me this is a more disturbing trend than the staggered BF trend.

Not sure I agree gogo girl ST should be 1000. that's what the rate for 30-60 minutes at soi 6 would be, not to mention with a girl of MUCH LOWER quality. My average gogo girl ST lasts about 5-6 hours (not all sex time). That has to have more value than 1000.[/QUOTE]All the bad aspects of the scene in the West are creeping East. Soi 6 used to be 500 Baht. And that was not so long ago.

This is a prime example of what I have always preached. I met this chick some time ago, but never fucked her. She started out wanting 2000-3000 but easily went down to 1000 for all night. Easy as pie. None of that breaking the mood shit that people say. Hell, my mood gets even better when I can strike a deal like that.

1000 Baht or about $30 for all night is an exceptional deal.

Is she good-looking? Can you post her pics?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1907706]This is a prime example of what I have always preached. I met this chick some time ago, but never fucked her. She started out wanting 2000-3000 but easily went down to 1000 for all night. Easy as pie. None of that breaking the mood shit that people say. Hell, my mood gets even better when I can strike a deal like that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1907706]This is a prime example of what I have always preached. I met this chick some time ago, but never fucked her. She started out wanting 2000-3000 but easily went down to 1000 for all night. Easy as pie. None of that breaking the mood shit that people say. Hell, my mood gets even better when I can strike a deal like that.[/QUOTE]The price you pay is of very little relevance without knowing the quality of the girl (face and body), the time of pickup, where she works, how many kids, ect, and various intangibles like how she relates to you and how you relate to her. Any consumer can go to Tire Kingdom and buy before promotions a Michelin LX for $199 or a Sumitomo for $125 for his SUV. One choice does not fit the needs of all consumers and cheaper is not always better. Plus you can shop around and find Costco or some other place has a cheaper price for either tire.

My point is the price debate will never end! What ISG'rs need to know is all the current price points so they can choose wisely for themselves. At 9 pm you are not going to get a Sensations girl out of the bar for less than 1500 bt + 2000 bt. You know that and I know that. Now there is nothing wrong with having a Go Go girl or any girl stop by your place at 3 am for a little rendezvous. Her late home delivery price would obviously be a lot lower and many girls would be inclined to spend the rest of the night. Or you can always shop around for another type of girl working somewhere else. There are lot of choices in Pattaya. But guys that want top quality Go Go girls at prime time are not fools. They know what they want, when they want it, and are prepared to pay for it. Last time I checked, there was nothing wrong with that.

Now I am in no way implying that you, MrE are banging lower quality girls. I have no idea about the kind of girls you like. But living in Pattaya as you do, provides you with certain home town advantages other board members do not enjoy. I envy you! If I lived in BKK, I know I would have my favorite Go Go girls, massage girls and what have you girls LINING me all the time, asking if they could come over and see me after work and I would only, on very rare occasions, have to pay barfines or retail prices. I can't wait!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1907737]The price you pay is of very little relevance without knowing the quality of the girl (face and body), the time of pickup, where she works, how many kids, ect, and various intangibles like how she relates to you and how you relate to her. Any consumer can go to Tire Kingdom and buy before discounts & Promotions a Michelin LX for $199 or a Sumitomo for $125 for his SUV. One choice does not fit the needs of all consumers and cheaper is not always better.[/QUOTE]You are making my point for me. As well, any consumer can walk into a used Hyundai dealership or a new Mercedes dealership and negotiate for x% off the price that is on the sticker. I am not saying to pay any chick a particular price, but at least try to talk the price down that you are given. Or better yet, you can make the first offer. You see in my example when I told her 2000 was too much and the girl said well I asked her how much she wanted.

Negotiating my ass, that's waiting her out until she was desperate to take your lowball offer. Negotiating is when you leave with the girl on the spot after getting her to agree to your price. 99% of the guys on this board don't have the luxury of living in sin city and being able to wait out the girls until they cave. You have home field advantage, the rest of us are the visiting team, how about you lay off a bit on pressing the price point comments. I do agree with you, it can be done but the rest of us don't have the luxury of waiting them out. I did pick up a cutie for an all night romp for 1500 last trip, mind you I just gave her the money and didn't let her tell me what she wanted.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1907706]This is a prime example of what I have always preached. I met this chick some time ago, but never fucked her. She started out wanting 2000-3000 but easily went down to 1000 for all night. Easy as pie. None of that breaking the mood shit that people say. Hell, my mood gets even better when I can strike a deal like that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breadman;1907742]Negotiating my ass, that's waiting her out until she was desperate to take your lowball offer. Negotiating is when you leave with the girl on the spot after getting her to agree to your price. [/QUOTE]How is it waiting someone out? I have never talked to this chick about fucking before. She said Hello, to me on the app and I immediately asked if she wanted to make some money. I follow the exact same technique when I am live in front of a new chick; so it has nothing to do with waiting. And I thought the reason all women went to Pattaya was because they are desperate for money!

[QUOTE=Breadman;1907742]Negotiating my ass, that's waiting her out until she was desperate to take your lowball offer.[/QUOTE]What you call "waiting her out" I would call buy side discipline. Play [I]johnny jumpup[/I] for the ladies and you have lost the mental edge. If not her (at that very moment) there are 100's of other fish in the sea.

SL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1907737]

My point is the price debate will never end! What ISG'rs need to know is all the current price points so they can choose wisely for themselves. [/QUOTE]Yes, yes, yes!

These debates are useless without some empirical evidence about the girl's level of attractiveness and context of the pickup (venue, time, etc). A lot of bargain basement reports about price never seem to have a pic of the girl included.

And even then its very subjective. One man's trash is another's treasure.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1907739]You are making my point for me. As well, any consumer can walk into a used Hyundai dealership or a new Mercedes dealership and negotiate for x% off the price that is on the sticker. I am not saying to pay any chick a particular price, but at least try to talk the price down that you are given. Or better yet, you can make the first offer. You see in my example when I told her 2000 was too much and the girl said well I asked her how much she wanted.[/QUOTE]I wonder if we can use game theory here? 555.

[URL]http://bigthink.com/videos/how-to-buy-a-car-using-game-theory-2[/URL]

I know I need to be more disciplined about price. I spend too much. It's hard when you are in town for a short trip, time is tight, and opportunity costs are high.

I'd rather spend more than miss an opportunity to have the girl I want. But I need to negotiate better.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1907742]Negotiating my ass, that's waiting her out until she was desperate to take your lowball offer. Negotiating is when you leave with the girl on the spot after getting her to agree to your price. 99% of the guys on this board don't have the luxury of living in sin city and being able to wait out the girls until they cave. You have home field advantage, the rest of us are the visiting team...[/QUOTE]Well said and a good analogy. We are the visiting team, and I for one would hate to miss a beauty because of a small amount of money. Also, given how much I pay for the goods at home, it is always a bargain over there. Hence, for me negotiating is a waste of my precious time. If I am quoted too high a price, I just move on to the next one.

Monday early evening I found Mew on Beach Road very near Mike's Shopping Center, wears a baseball cap, looks very athletic, not young. THB 500 for two hours. A bit mechanical but satisfied my need at the moment. I put her through a lot, multiple positions and some good pounding and she was a trooper through it all. Had to stop twice to apply lube, not sure she was really into it enough to get wet.

Then walked from Hilton to Walking Street a few times between 7 and 10 pm, seemed a bunch of girls show up around 8 pm. The selection was impressive, all sizes and ages. Seems the closer you get to Walking Street most of the girls are wearing several extra pounds. Not my style, but if that's your thing lots from which to choose. The area near the Hilton had dozens of choices and five or six I would rate quite highly, young and beautiful.

Tuesday drinking beer at Hooters around 7 pm, saw an "older" lady standing behind the few palm trees on Beach Road sidewalk, projecting a shy persona. After a few beers I walked over to meet Nauch (or Knock or some such), indeed not one of the young girls. I took her for short time THB 500 with an option for long time if we really enjoy each other. We did! She was extremely responsive, she was into it and helped me gain maximum enjoyment. So short time turned into long time, THB 1,000 + and extra 100 just because in addition to the great sex we had a lot of laughs, very witty lady. We finished round one, slept five hours or so, went to round two, slower, longer and even more enjoyable. Seems this is what attracts me to the 40 year-old on occasion.

Big Beach Road marathon this coming Sunday, Beach Road will be closed part of Saturday as well, so I've prearranged Nauch to cover this period, shopping the Coconut Bar may not be easy during this weekend.

I found Beach Road pretty weak when I first arrived but since it's been cooler the past 2-3 days I've hopped off baht buses at stretches where I see a few nice girls. The lineup has picked up dramatically. When all the bars close possibly July 15 and July 19 and 20, I'll be on Beach Road looking for some action as I'm thinking a lot of girls will flock there. Any truth to that from past years?

From the looks of it plenty of girls are heading out of town starting tomorrow. Pattaya will be a bit quieter. Won't stop the Chinese tour buses though!

[QUOTE=BushWhack;1908006]Monday early evening I found Mew on Beach Road very near Mike's Shopping Center, wears a baseball cap, looks very athletic, not young. THB 500 for two hours. A bit mechanical but satisfied my need at the moment. I put her through a lot, multiple positions and some good pounding and she was a trooper through it all. Had to stop twice to apply lube, not sure she was really into it enough to get wet.

Then walked from Hilton to Walking Street a few times between 7 and 10 pm, seemed a bunch of girls show up around 8 pm. The selection was impressive, all sizes and ages. Seems the closer you get to Walking Street most of the girls are wearing several extra pounds. Not my style, but if that's your thing lots from which to choose. The area near the Hilton had dozens of choices and five or six I would rate quite highly, young and beautiful.

Tuesday drinking beer at Hooters around 7 pm, saw an "older" lady standing behind the few palm trees on Beach Road sidewalk, projecting a shy persona. After a few beers I walked over to meet Nauch (or Knock or some such), indeed not one of the young girls. I took her for short time THB 500 with an option for long time if we really enjoy each other. We did! She was extremely responsive, she was into it and helped me gain maximum enjoyment. So short time turned into long time, THB 1,000 + and extra 100 just because in addition to the great sex we had a lot of laughs, very witty lady. We finished round one, slept five hours or so, went to round two, slower, longer and even more enjoyable. Seems this is what attracts me to the 40 year-old on occasion.

Big Beach Road marathon this coming Sunday, Beach Road will be closed part of Saturday as well, so I've prearranged Nauch to cover this period, shopping the Coconut Bar may not be easy during this weekend.[/QUOTE]The Coconut Bar must be, IMHO, the BEST value for money in Pattaya. I was there two weeks ago and the selection was rather good.

I found the best area for a reasonable choice to be between Central Rd and Soi 13.

The price does not seem to have changed for many years now, still 500 Baht for short time and, in the afternoon many of the girls are happy to stay for two or three hours. No real model type stunners but a very good selection of "girl next door" type playmates.

Enjoy (I do).

Hotman.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1907981]I wonder if we can use game theory here? 555.

[URL]http://bigthink.com/videos/how-to-buy-a-car-using-game-theory-2[/URL]

I know I need to be more disciplined about price. I spend too much. It's hard when you are in town for a short trip, time is tight, and opportunity costs are high.

I'd rather spend more than miss an opportunity to have the girl I want. But I need to negotiate better.[/QUOTE]That's not really game theory: that's deciding on basis of full knowledge of all possibilities.

If there was a database containing a list of all available ladies with an objective and quantified description of their qualities and their price, then it would be trivially easy to search for the "best".

But such database does not exist and we cannot call or walk around and ask them all their price and then go back to the "best" as she may already be gone by then.

BUT there does exist a solution to this problem and I described it in [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1822554&viewfull=1#post1822554[/URL] and followed up in [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1822939&viewfull=1#post1822939[/URL].

It is an "mongerish" application of the age old "secretary problem" ([URL]http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Secretary_problem[/URL]).

If you only look at the price (which you can do if the candidates are all more or less of the same quality, say Soi 6 girls or top-level agogo clubs or Beach Road hookers) then you ask the price of the first 3 or 4 girls you meet but don't pick any of them. As from then on you pick the first girl you meet that is cheaper than the cheapest of these first 3 or 4 girls.

This is a strategy that works even iin places for which you have absolutely no clue what the going rate is. It gives you the best chance to choose the best price.

Of course the many articles in ISG will give you enough information on prices that the "secretary problem" technique is not needed anymore.

But from time to time it still comes in handy.

Suppose I'm in a German FKK or big fishbowl and I have an afternoon or evening to spend there. Price is not an issue as there is a standard tariff of 50 EUR /30 minutes. Service quality in the room is difficult to assess, so we have to assume that it is also somewhat standard over all girls. Therefore the only element of choice will be "how beautiful is he" or rather "how close does she come to my idea of the girl I like to spend 30 minutes with in close proximity". I cannot check out each girl, since they come and go during the day, some are already in the room with other mongers ad if I hesitate too long my "best" choice might be picked up by someone else: so I don't have a perfect view of what quality is available. I also don't have unlimited money or stamina: after 3 pops it's over and done.

How to optimize my sessions?

Simple. I apply the above theory: If there are about 30 girls around, I will check about 12 of them (chosen at random) and give them a score as objective as possible. Yet I choose none of them but I will take the next one (still choosing at random) that has a score higher than the best of those in the first dozen.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;1908018]The Coconut Bar must be, IMHO, the BEST value for money in Pattaya. I was there two weeks ago and the selection was rather good.

I found the best area for a reasonable choice to be between Central Rd and Soi 13.[/QUOTE]Very much agree: Coconut Bar is excellent value, but only if you are able to find someone to your taste.

In my experience, there is always [B]someone[/B] available on Beach Road, but the chances of that someone being pretty enough for me to bed is very hit and miss. Sometimes it is teeming with beautiful girls, sometimes there is no one younger than 40 or weighing less than 140 pounds. And the locations for where the good girls are vary by night, by season, and by random, as far as I can tell. So it requires luck and some leg work to get the right person from Beach road, IMHO.

My own attitude to Beach Road is to take a stroll, look to see what is on offer, and if something catches your fancy, grab it immediately. Don't be shy or coy, just grab it, because if you try to shop around and double back, the girl may be gone. Also, and this is my actual point: I never rely on Beach Road as my sole option. If your game plan is to pick someone from Beach Road, then the chances are that you are in for a long night. But in my experience, when I have found someone on Beach Road, it has generally been nice, low-cost, and satisfying. So definitely worth consideration.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1908260]That's not really game theory: that's deciding on basis of full knowledge of all possibilities.

[/QUOTE]Interesting stuff. You certainly know a lot more about stats / econometrics / econ than I do.

I thought it was game theory because it was structuring the interaction so that the dealers competed over you, removing any rice collusion between dealers, so that they are forced to chose their worst acceptable price point because of their fear of being under-cut by the other guy and losing the sale. Kind of like Prisoner's Dilemma.

I'm sure a smooth negotiator like Mr E could pull something like this off at 808 (he probably does on a nightly basis). 555.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1908263]Very much agree: Coconut Bar is excellent value, but only if you are able to find someone to your taste.

In my experience, there is always [B]someone[/B] available on Beach Road, but the chances of that someone being pretty enough for me to bed is very hit and miss. Sometimes it is teeming with beautiful girls, sometimes there is no one younger than 40 or weighing less than 140 pounds. And the locations for where the good girls are vary by night, by season, and by random, as far as I can tell. So it requires luck and some leg work to get the right person from Beach road, IMHO.

My own attitude to Beach Road is to take a stroll, look to see what is on offer, and if something catches your fancy, grab it immediately. Don't be shy or coy, just grab it, because if you try to shop around and double back, the girl may be gone. Also, and this is my actual point: I never rely on Beach Road as my sole option. If your game plan is to pick someone from Beach Road, then the chances are that you are in for a long night. But in my experience, when I have found someone on Beach Road, it has generally been nice, low-cost, and satisfying. So definitely worth consideration.[/QUOTE]Agree! Was there yesterday evening, girls for all tastes. Having been in Thailand many years ago, I am surprised to see how many young girls (not only on BR) wear some extra pounds. McDonal is also here. After a long search I found a nice girl, although she was fun she did'nt exactly what promised: CIM. I found that CIM is'nt easy to get here. I was interested by several girls at Frog Bar (some cuties here) but none would do CIM. Unfortunately that's what I like.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1908409] After a long search I found a nice girl, although she was fun she did'nt exactly what promised: CIM. I found that CIM is'nt easy to get here. I was interested by several girls at Frog Bar (some cuties here) but none would do CIM. Unfortunately that's what I like.[/QUOTE]Speaking in general, I think you were unlucky. Of course not all girls allow CIM in Pattaya but I always found some girls that do it quite easily.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1908409]I found that CIM is'nt easy to get here. [/QUOTE]I haven't found it a problem except restrictive soapy girls. My favorite was a Kinnaree girl who said "Thank you for sperm".

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1908260]That's not really game theory: that's deciding on basis of full knowledge of all possibilities.

If there was a database containing a list of all available ladies with an objective and quantified description of their qualities and their price, then it would be trivially easy to search for the "best".

But such database does not exist and we cannot call or walk around and ask them all their price and then go back to the "best" as she may already be gone by then.

BUT there does exist a solution to this problem and I described it in [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1822554&viewfull=1#post1822554[/URL] and followed up in [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1822939&viewfull=1#post1822939[/URL].

It is an "mongerish" application of the age old "secretary problem" ([URL]http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Secretary_problem[/URL]).

If you only look at the price (which you can do if the candidates are all more or less of the same quality, say Soi 6 girls or top-level agogo clubs or Beach Road hookers) then you ask the price of the first 3 or 4 girls you meet but don't pick any of them. As from then on you pick the first girl you meet that is cheaper than the cheapest of these first 3 or 4 girls.

This is a strategy that works even iin places for which you have absolutely no clue what the going rate is. It gives you the best chance to choose the best price.

Of course the many articles in ISG will give you enough information on prices that the "secretary problem" technique is not needed anymore.

But from time to time it still comes in handy.

Suppose I'm in a German FKK or big fishbowl and I have an afternoon or evening to spend there. Price is not an issue as there is a standard tariff of 50 EUR /30 minutes. Service quality in the room is difficult to assess, so we have to assume that it is also somewhat standard over all girls. Therefore the only element of choice will be "how beautiful is he" or rather "how close does she come to my idea of the girl I like to spend 30 minutes with in close proximity". I cannot check out each girl, since they come and go during the day, some are already in the room with other mongers ad if I hesitate too long my "best" choice might be picked up by someone else: so I don't have a perfect view of what quality is available. I also don't have unlimited money or stamina: after 3 pops it's over and done.

How to optimize my sessions?

Simple. I apply the above theory: If there are about 30 girls around, I will check about 12 of them (chosen at random) and give them a score as objective as possible. Yet I choose none of them but I will take the next one (still choosing at random) that has a score higher than the best of those in the first dozen.[/QUOTE]Good stuff!

IMO, it all depends on the kind of venue you are in. I do like your theory and strategy though (I did read it the last time you posted it). I too use a similar type of approach, except I don't do any quantitative or objective scoring in my mind. I leave it completely up to my biological visual and sensory field to input, at the gestalt level, and to intruct me, instinctively. I love the complexity of information that I get to process at a place like Insomnia. I feed on it, and it sustains me! Crazy, I agree.

Now, with all due respect for your greater experience, strategy and success todate (which I admire), I would observe that neither your theory / strategy application, nor the game theory approach can work where a girl has the option of saying no to a customer, and is perfectly able to excercise that option (I. E. Does not need your money that night).

IMO, in places like Insomnia, for example, many non-objective, non-rational things can also come into play, that could cause the universe of potentiality to intercede in your maxization strategy / decisioning. The human face even subtle differences- expressions, a guy's specific approach, the guys attire, another guy making contact a milli or micro second before you make your move etc etc can all create " visual and interpersonal feeling induced information chaos " . There may also be a kind of unknown "field" (like a magnetic field -but totally different....for example if we are in a mathematical universe) at work.

At a place like Insomnia there can also be 'information chaos' when a girl perceives (rightly or wrongly) that there are many good looking men out there at that time, and the girl feels (rightly or wrongly) that she could potentially have her cake and eat it too. Which is why so many girls leave Insomnia alone at 6 am! Good looking ones. I enjoy seeing them exit, wondering what happened, never knowing that the place was giving them feedback, but they return and don't make any adjustments based on the feedback loop. Haha.

Or, if the girl is a very occasional pro who does not badly need the money that particular night. Or, has money coming in regularly from a foreign source.

But, there are a couple of caveats; if you are young, late 20's, good looking guy, dresses fashionably smart, with say 5,000-6,000 baht to spend, I think the maxization of your kind of objective function, subject to your various quality constraints, can certainly work at Insomnia as well. However, I think no one (not even you) can maximize potential ' pleasure ' a priori. For this, prior knowledge and experience with a specific girl is required, and even then many other things can produce decreasing marginal return in ' pleasure' a second time around, particularly when expectations are thrown into play. So, I think we can only work with expected pleasure maxization ?

And the second caveat being that even at Insomnia if you don't look terrible, I think approaching any girl with say a 8,000 baht offer will also work. Money will and can trump all else in such a venue. I totally avoid this, even though I could employ your strategy with my kind of maximization objective function (with my subjective gestalt level sensory inputs).

FYI, I have been rejected by some good looking young girls at Insomnia just at first glance, or first "1 second" pass. Although they never knew how much I could, or would have been willing to pay. And they will never know! That's cause if I get the instinctive sense that a girl does not care for me, I completely and totally lose interest in that girl, no matter the strength of my wallet. I will never ever chase a girl, no matter how hot she is, or how much I may want her. Give me the feeling you don't like me and it's over from my end, sayonara forever. In this respect, I could never really successfully employ your kind of maxization function / strategy. Such is life! We are all made different I guess. Some more so than others?

I am usually sound asleep by midnight, yes, silly to be in Pattaya and asleep by midnight! This morning found myself wide awake at 4:30 am. I've never walked Beach Road at this hour and wondered if many of the gogo girls would be wandering by as they go home. I crossed Beach Road from my hotel (Marriott) and immediately saw a very pretty, small spinner leaning against the beach chairs. Said her name was Naughty and she asked THB 700 for short time. I countered with 500, then we agreed on 600. She seemed reluctant to take my offer, maybe as reluctant as I was to go shopping at 4:30 am. But off we went and had a great time. By the end of the session she was anxious to give me her digits and asked me to please call her at 8 or 9 pm, not wait until so early in the morning. I was shocked to learn she is 35 years old, her body said 25! Young attitude as well. I'll definitely call her for round two before I leave Patts.

Re. Bar closings July 15,19, and 20, this is from Glass House's Facebook stating police's closing instructions. From what I hear though other bars will be opening before midnight July 20. Wonder if police will be out busting and closing bars tonight and July 19-20.

"In accordance with the police's instructions and in observation of the Thai holidays. , The Glass House Agogo will be CLOSING at 1 am on Saturday night July 16th. And, we will CLOSE at midnight Monday, July 18th, we will remain closed all day Tuesday, July 19th, and, we will reopen AT midnight on Wednesday, July 20th. We sincerely wish all, rewarding and relaxing time away, and we look forward to returning to our normal hours of operation at midnight on Wednesday July 20th. Thank you. ".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1908523]I haven't found it a problem except restrictive soapy girls. My favorite was a Kinnaree girl who said "Thank you for sperm".[/QUOTE]Great!

I have never tried Kinaree. Btu now its on my to do list. .

Hitting GT in Bruggen next week! Thanks for the tips! I will let you know how it turns out.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1908635]Great!

I have never tried Kinaree. Btu now its on my to do list. .

Hitting GT in Bruggen next week! Thanks for the tips! I will let you know how it turns out.[/QUOTE]I've been at Kinnaree to day, 3 pm. Only a dozen girls, good part beautiful for sure. Some a bit pushy, others don't even consider you. Atmosphere is very relaxed. I took Pim for CIM. But like yesterda.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1908635]Great!

I have never tried Kinaree. Btu now its on my to do list. .

Hitting GT in Bruggen next week! Thanks for the tips! I will let you know how it turns out.[/QUOTE]I've been at Kinnaree to day, 3 pm. Only a dozen girls, good part beautiful for sure. Some a bit pushy, others don't even consider you. Atmosphere is very relaxed. I took Pim for CIM. But like yesterday with a FL from BR, she did it almost to the end: when explosion came, she withdrew mouth. Would I repeat at Kinnaree: yes for price. Quality ratio (1 K for girls, 350 for room, drinks cheap) and the relaxed ambiance and the beautiful girls if compared to most other places. No for sex as such: at the bitter end, a s is often stated here, you know only once in room if the girl is good or not. Paradoxically, the best selection I found at Rasputin massage, about 100 girls with many real cuties. But the prices lie between 2500 and 3500: the price to pay for beauty (I did not stay).

Did Pim agree to CIM and pull out? If so that's not good.

12 seems a bit low for Kinnaree but it is holiday week. I haven't found the current lineup to be all that great but maybe because I'm used to it.

I'll point out the Sperm Girl for you, UncleV. She hates me now maybe because I didn't even tip her 10 baht.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1908515]Speaking in general, I think you were unlucky. Of course not all girls allow CIM in Pattaya but I always found some girls that do it quite easily.[/QUOTE]From my recent experience in Pattaya I would say it is quite easy to have a run of that kind of bad luck in not finding P4 P girls who will finish a BJ with CIM.

I have spent 2-3 days and nights in Pattaya 4 times over the past 2 1/2 years or so and only found 1 bargirl who actually agreed to it and accomplished it out of about two dozen approaches and requests for it on my part. Outdoor beer bar girls, go-go girls, freelancers, more than a dozen if not two dozen requests in Pattaya and only 1 said yes and meant it.

I spent one evening being lectured by at least 6, yes 6, different P4 P girls working various clubs on Soi 6 on what a sick fuck I must be to even suggest that any Thai girl would ever do that for a man! LOL. Mind you, I was only asking these Pattaya girls if they would finish a BJ with CIM. I wasn't even asking them to swallow!

That was the last night I spent in Pattaya. I high tailed it back to my beloved Bangkok ASAP and have not given a moment's thought to returning. I consider that issue to be one among several that accounts for Pattaya's P4 P scene being cheaper than Bangkok's. There are many more unskilled low achievers who could never cut it in Bangkok working there, imo.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;1908669]I've been at Kinnaree to day, 3 pm. Only a dozen girls, good part beautiful for sure. Some a bit pushy, others don't even consider you. Atmosphere is very relaxed. I took Pim for CIM. But like yesterday with a FL from BR, she did it almost to the end: when explosion came, she withdrew mouth. Would I repeat at Kinnaree: yes for price. Quality ratio (1 K for girls, 350 for room, drinks cheap) and the relaxed ambiance and the beautiful girls if compared to most other places. No for sex as such: at the bitter end, a s is often stated here, you know only once in room if the girl is good or not. Paradoxically, the best selection I found at Rasputin massage, about 100 girls with many real cuties. But the prices lie between 2500 and 3500: the price to pay for beauty (I did not stay).[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya a few nights waiting for a connection flight, I went to the Kinnaree for the first time, actually I checked it again the next day, both times had about 10-15 girls, seems busy in the afternoon, but both times I could not find anything to my taste, a bit younger less than 24 and slender and babyless. There were a few passable looking ones but with stretch marks, so I did not take them. The place was quite relaxed, some girls approach you, some don't. I also went to Bliss Lounge for the first time, could not find one that could slightly excite me even for just a BJ. But girls were quite friendly no stress.

I checked many MPs as well, seems like the girls I would do are all in the really high categories, Rasputin, the Sabais, Honeys all have a few doable ones for me, but all in the 3 k-5 k range. I did not even want to try these at this price range, seeing these cuter ones get constantly called by tourist customers all day, I can imagine the service level. Pattaya for me is getting harder and harder to find someone younger, slender, babyless, passable look at reasonable price.

[QUOTE=Liverpool1208;1899645]Hi there everyone,

I just have a doubt. Can you book st or LT on the girls who normally stand outside the bars trying to get the customers to go into the clubs? [/QUOTE]Yes you can. Last year I did a short time with a bleach-blond door girl from Ginza. And on a trip before that I picked up a Secrets sign girl LT, and also did ST with a cutie sign girl from in front of Iron Gogo that I had stopped by to chat with.

The Iron girl wanted me to buy her a drink inside the gogo, and when we sat down inside, there was an even cuter dancer onstage eyeing me. I would have chosen the dancer if I had seen her first. The'oh!

[QUOTE=NitTheCream;1909027]Yes you can. Last year I did a short time with a bleach-blond door girl from Ginza. And on a trip before that I picked up a Secrets sign girl LT, and also did ST with a cutie sign girl from in front of Iron Gogo that I had stopped by to chat with.[/QUOTE]Don't Ginza and Iron use their regular gogo girls out front. Most WS gogo clubs are the same. LK Metro is different and they have regular hostess girls out front.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1909463]Don't Ginza and Iron use their regular gogo girls out front. Most WS gogo clubs are the same. LK Metro is different and they have regular hostess girls out front.[/QUOTE]Yes, Iron Club GoGo dancers put the hostess mini dress over their bikini when they do a shift as a door girl. Always look closely at the door girls outfit to see if you can spot another skimpy uniform or bikini underneath which is a clue that she is really a GoGo dancer.

Skyfall has their GoGo dancers do shifts outside as door girls in their GoGo dancer uniform.

Baccara seems to have more dedicated door girls since their uniforms are very different then their GoGo dancers or hostesses.

Damn, I've been reading these threads a lot more in recent months (stopped logging on regularly about 6 years ago) and didn't realize how high the prices are in Pattaya. I have been there 3 times, with the first being the beginning of last year. Before taking my first and subsequent trips, I didn't do much research, since I went with a buddy the first time who had been there a few times (too lazy to RTFF, LOL). I have mostly stuck to the clubs (Insomnia / iBar, 808, Flex), Soi 6, a couple of message places on Soi Bukhao and tried the soapies twice. Other than the soapies, I've never spent anything close to or more than 2 K THB (other than tips and food).

Not to say that I've been doing good, just didn't realize there were such high prices as the ones posted on this site in Pattaya. I didn't really care for the gogo scene, since I don't drink and don't do lady drinks. To me once I see a girl I like and want, other than price negotiations, it's name, rank and serial number, then it's action time. No need to wine and dine, but that's me. After reading how bad the gogo's are, I think I will continue to pass on those places, although the chicks appear to be very hot. From what I could see, there are plenty of decent hotties at the other cheaper venues. As far as ST vs LT, I'm more of a ST guy, but most of the FL's I picked up at the clubs stayed and were down for multiple hits without any prompting. Hell, I had a harder time getting them to split. These were all the ones that agreed to $1500 THB. When the bar fine cost as much as I pay for FL and Soi 6 girls, then that's not the place for me.

[QUOTE=Conan23;1909600]Yes, Iron Club GoGo dancers put the hostess mini dress over their bikini when they do a shift as a door girl. Always look closely at the door girls outfit to see if you can spot another skimpy uniform or bikini underneath which is a clue that she is really a GoGo [/QUOTE]Why does any of that matter? If you like the chick just tell her to come with you. They are all hookers. Unless you just want to fuck someone for the title you think they have.

Any changes in ground situation please report brothers as I am planning a trip in September.

Advise needed in all aspects.

TIA.

[QUOTE=Ssdel;1910124]BKK raid effects

Any changes in ground situation please report brothers as I am planning a trip in September.

Advise needed in all aspects.

TIA.[/QUOTE]You may want to post in the BKK thread then. This is Thailand A LOT can change between now and September.

[QUOTE=Ssdel;1910124]Any changes in ground situation please report brothers as I am planning a trip in September.

Advise needed in all aspects.

TIA.[/QUOTE]Guys nothing will change too much! Maybe we will see a decline in P4 P offered on the premises and that should be the case. I for one am excited about this change. Soi Cowboy and Nana will always be here since no sex is on the premises, just girls working in the bars. They will have to cut out the nude or topless dancing though. The massage girls will flock to the go go bars and the freelance scene will increase 10 fold. Chat apps will be flooded with freelancers looking for customers and all will be normal. Normal bars will see a huge influx in business so the balance will be set and all will be happy. Any massage places will start to operate underground like in most countries. Who cares, compensate and enjoy Thailand, the girls are not going anywhere.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1910463]Guys nothing will change too much! Maybe we will see a decline in P4 P offered on the premises and that should be the case. I for one am excited about this change. Soi Cowboy and Nana will always be here since no sex is on the premises, just girls working in the bars. They will have to cut out the nude or topless dancing though. The massage girls will flock to the go go bars and the freelance scene will increase 10 fold. Chat apps will be flooded with freelancers looking for customers and all will be normal. Normal bars will see a huge influx in business so the balance will be set and all will be happy. Any massage places will start to operate underground like in most countries. Who cares, compensate and enjoy Thailand, the girls are not going anywhere.[/QUOTE]Agree. We are centuries away from Thailand getting its shit together well enough economically with safety nets, entitlements and so on to ensure hot, young lazy or needy girls won't choose P4 P over most other options.

And whenever you cut out the middle man, pimps, the useless interloper barfine collectors, remove the girls from a venue culture that more often than not just becomes a training ground for how to get more money for providing less and the interaction between the girl and her customer is blissfully direct, the better off both the girls and the customers will be IMO.

I walked Beach Road Monday night to find one of my usual contacts (long time THB 1,000), at 9 pm there was an amazing selection all the way from the Hilton to Walking Street. I've never seen so many, nor so many high quality choices. But as I made the return trip around 11 pm there was a police presence underway and the girls were laying low. Not gone, clusters of girls sitting in groups on the beach or across the street, but no ladies standing in position along Beach Road. I saw about eight police officers near the entrance to Walking Street, not really doing much, just standing around, but apparently they were near the end of their journey.

My usual contact told me she leaves Beach Road at 11 pm as lately there is sure to be some police coming by. This on the heels of the article I read in the Sunday Bangkok Post about reducing this type of action in both Bangkok and Pattaya. Now 7 pm and I'm heading out again, I expect the selection to be back to normal. If not, or if I witness another police action I'll post.

Any massage centers offer lingham massage in pattaya.

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1910808]Any massage centers offer lingham massage in pattaya.[/QUOTE]You are kidding. Right?

[QUOTE=Ee2002;1909903]Damn, I've been reading these threads a lot more in recent months (stopped logging on regularly about 6 years ago) and didn't realize how high the prices are in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Can you please define what you consider high prices, because you have have obviously had some prior experience, and I'm trying to get my trip to LOS in October.

Note that in the past 9 months, I have mongered in Berlin and Medellin. In Berlin, I never paid more that 90 Euro for an hour (though 100 or higher is more the standard. I'm a value shopper). In the Casas of Medellin I paid from 60,000 to 160,000 COP for an hour (that's around $20 - $50 USD). I realize prices are a moving target, but would be curious about what you consider to be fair.

The prices are more or less similar when you get to the bottom of it. The cheapest I have had is in Athens where there are options available even for 10 & 20 Euro. Across other European nations like Germany, Amsterdam, Brussels, etc a quick one would be 50 Euro and may go upto 100. Even Indonesia was pretty cheap in comparison.

LOS was great value for money and the experience was more GFE than mechanical. An average price for ST would range around 1000 to 1500 Baht and LT around 2000 to2500 baht. Rest depends on how good the girl is, where you meet her and how drunk you are when you take a decision.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1911368]Can you please define what you consider high prices, because you have have obviously had some prior experience, and I'm trying to get my trip to LOS in October.

Note that in the past 9 months, I have mongered in Berlin and Medellin. In Berlin, I never paid more that 90 Euro for an hour (though 100 or higher is more the standard. I'm a value shopper). In the Casas of Medellin I paid from 60,000 to 160,000 COP for an hour (that's around $20 - $50 USD). I realize prices are a moving target, but would be curious about what you consider to be fair.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1911368]Can you please define what you consider high prices, because you have have obviously had some prior experience, and I'm trying to get my trip to LOS in October.

Note that in the past 9 months, I have mongered in Berlin and Medellin. In Berlin, I never paid more that 90 Euro for an hour (though 100 or higher is more the standard. I'm a value shopper). In the Casas of Medellin I paid from 60,000 to 160,000 COP for an hour (that's around $20 - $50 USD). I realize prices are a moving target, but would be curious about what you consider to be fair.[/QUOTE]Pricewise, the bottom of the market is with the streetwalkers of Beach Road: 500 to 1000 baht (USD 15 to 30) for one pop or max 2 hours (whatever comes first) plus the cost of a short time hotel unless you bring her to your hotel.

Next up are the Soi 6 bars: standard price of 1000 baht for her and 300 baht for the room (thinly disguised as a "barfine") plus some drink, or in total about 1500 baht (USD 45) for one pop.

You take your chances with the quality at these levels, but good sessions can be had in Soi 6 if you don't mind the sometimes rather down-market surroundings.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1894664]I feel kinda bad that you did not score at Insomnia.

So, a couple of thoughts for you, BECAUSE it takes about 3 nights and at least about 12-15 hours to figure out the girls....[/QUOTE]Thank you for the insightful info. And thanks to Kumbu for his report of his experience there, bad and good.

I have never spent any time there, just poked my head in the door there once (What do you mean I can't take my umbrella in?). And haven't spent much time in Lucifer Disko either. I thought they were too crowded for my taste, and I am not a disco dancer guy.

I also expected that it gets "happening" late, and I generally wanted to be in my room with company by 2 am. But I also realize that I am missing out on good stuff.

Once when I was heading back to my room in the Grand Hotel at 2:30 am, I passed 3 girls that I had seen dancing at an LK Metro gogo earlier that night. They were heading to walking street to freelance after their shift, I figured, but I was too spent to follow. I will try the nap at 9 pm suggestion, and definitely give Insomnia another try now.

I appreciate the advice I have read here. (I lurked awhile) and I know my game could use a lot of improvement.
Thanks everyone!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1911475]Pricewise, the bottom of the market is with the streetwalkers of Beach Road: 500 to 1000 baht (USD 15 to 30) for one pop or max 2 hours (whatever comes first) plus the cost of a short time hotel unless you bring her to your hotel.[/QUOTE]Actually the bottom of the market is the crack shacks. 200 baht.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1911549]Actually the bottom of the market is the crack shacks. 200 baht.[/QUOTE]Or the down-on-their-luck ladyboys at the beach who will gve you a BBBJ on the spot for whatever you throw at them.

[URL]https://youtu.be/SDVEP4eQWmg[/URL]

50 baht

Thanks for your feedback, guys. That helps. I am just more than a bit put off by the concept of a bar fine and marked up lady drinks. Can't see myself paying it, even if money was no object. Guess it will be freelancers for me, and I have read up a bit about venues where freelance girls work beside the street. Those prices are not bad at all from my Western perspective. But, I can understand if some old hands are disappointed by what they say is a declining experience and higher cost.

I do go to other sources for info on Pattaya, such as youtube and noticed Pattaya has its share of massage parlors. One vblogger commented that the MPs put the price signs for the various services out front during the day, but the signs are gone in the evening. I am curious if there is any value there as well, or if the "upsells" for additional services just make this false economy. Any comments on those?

Funny, I do read posts from people who complain about rising prices in Thailand, and are opting for Cambodia or Laos. However, a brief look at travel costs to those places, and other related costs ($35 just to enter your country?) would appear to again result in false economy? Or am I missing something there?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1911840]I do go to other sources for info on Pattaya, such as youtube and noticed Pattaya has its share of massage parlors. One vblogger commented that the MPs put the price signs for the various services out front during the day, but the signs are gone in the evening. I am curious if there is any value there as well, or if the "upsells" for additional services just make this false economy. Any comments on those?[/QUOTE]Massage places advertise prices of between 200 to 400 baht for one or two hours of "oil" massage.

Of course that price does not include any of the naughty services. Those you negotiate directly with the girl. The price for the massage you pay to the house and is - more or less - their form of barfine.

I too used to be upset by the concepts of barfine and ladydrinks, until I realized it doesn't matter. Just add up all the costs (your drinks, her drinks, price for the room or barfine or massage costs, her fees, . . .) and then decide. "Cheap" and "expensive" at first sight may be really different when you look at the whole.

For instance, a Beach Road freelancer may be cheap and you pay no barfine, but you have to pay for a ST hotel room unless you bring her to your hotel room which may be more far away so you need a taxi to get there. If would not be fair to the Soi 6 girls not to include the ST room costs or taxi-fare to your hotel and even the extra time you spent in getting there when comparing total prices. And it wouldn't be the first time a freelancer asks you to buy some food or drinks for her. Sometimes they don't even have condoms with them, so you have to add those too.

And when picking up freelancers from discos and such, you better bring an accountant with you to keep tabs on all the extra costs!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1911840]Thanks for your feedback, guys. That helps. I am just more than a bit put off by the concept of a bar fine and marked up lady drinks. Can't see myself paying it, even if money was no object.[/QUOTE]I can't imagine paying them myself either. As a matter of fact I just met a chick online. She said she is a bar girl. I said okay. Maybe you can come stay with me one night. She asked me to come pay the bar fine. I said no. You can just come after work. She said okay. You are smart.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1911840]I do go to other sources for info on Pattaya, such as youtube and noticed Pattaya has its share of massage parlors. One vblogger commented that the MPs put the price signs for the various services out front during the day, but the signs are gone in the evening.[/QUOTE]Maybe that was an old post. At most massage places the prices are printed on the windows. To be clear, in general a massage parlor is just a massage parlor and extras can not be guaranteed, unless you are at certain sex shops that are open under the guise of massage parlors.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1911840]Funny, I do read posts from people who complain about rising prices in Thailand, and are opting for Cambodia or Laos. However, a brief look at travel costs to those places, and other related costs ($35 just to enter your country?) would appear to again result in false economy? Or am I missing something there?[/QUOTE]You are indeed missing something. It actually costs to get into or leave out of every country, but the price is usually included in your ticket and the airline passes the money on to the proper government authorities.

Hey,

Had 2 nights layover in Thailand while returning from China. Thought of taking full advantage of it and head to Pattaya for the layover. Was waiting in immigration. Long line fellas took me almost 3 hours to clear immigration but gave me enough time to research on the place to stay in Pattaya. Booked VT6 near Central mall considering all the good reviews of the place.

Completed Immigration came to the fourth floor as per the advice of seniors and caught a taxi dropping off passengers and heading back to Pattaya for 900 B. VT6 condo was every bit as advertised huge room with spacious balcony and modern interiors. Settled down comfortably it was around 9 had something to eat and slept off keeping an alarm of 12 . Headed down to WS could see loads of banner for the early morning marathon. Did not give it any thoughts. Headed to Tonys Disco on a friends recommendation and boy was it good. Huge Spacious floor with ample sitting place and tables everywhere, they charge a entry of 250 b which can be redeemed for a drink (not bad considering all the gogos around want me to buy a drink first and then get inside).

Found a empty corner and sat down sipping my beer music was mostly Indian with some Arabic songs interspersed. Was on my third drink when saw a beauty down near the DJ console. Held my bottle up to her said salud, she found that to be funny and came over. We spoke for some time I bought her a drink a tequila to be specific.

I told her that I want her for LT only and not looking for ST she said 2000 b for the same we agreed on the condition that we will take a room upstairs (200 b) come back after we have shagged once and then party some more and go back to my room. She was okay with it.

We went to the room and started talking. And man can she talk. It was like seeing a mirror image of myself we were chattering for about 45 minutes when the receptionist knocked telling time was almost up (Who does that) we laughed loudly at this and I told her to take bath. She undressed in front of me and whoa was that a sight to behold. Shiny White Skin, Slim Waist juicy lips and supple tits. Guys that why bad boys go to Pattaya! LOL.

I joined her in the shower cleaned her with my tongue. We were kissing madly when she pushed me aside and asked me to come on the bed. I carried her there and had one of the most passionate sex I have ever had. I still perspire thinking of that wow.

Anyhow we dressed paid something extra to the receptionist and came back partying. Around 2 30 they closed down the disco saying that cops have asked them to I am not sure why some said it was because of the marathon some say because of immigration I did not bother asking.

We came out and she took me to the beach just opposite the first 7/11 outside of WS. It was quite romantic and eerily erotic I always wanted to try it on the beach but did not like to have sand in my butt but what the hell I was game for it. We were kissing each other my hands exploring her body when suddenly a group of 5-6 students I don know they were quite young came on the same spot. They must have been crazy drunk I tell you cause they went skinny diving at 4 am on a beach which was for a loss of better words Dirty. Anyhow it was fun watching them (girls included).

I Smiled at NUT yeah that was her name and I just told her lets call it a day. We went to my room had some of that tasty German I want to get high shit (jagermeister) were fully sloshed went to sleep with both of us naked.

Got up around 11 she was still sleeping my hands were exploring her body she stirred gave me a smile and took my tool in her hand gave me a sloppy BJ. Morning BJS are the best, Slipped on a condom and drilled her in missionary came in about 10 minutes.

Took her out to a Indian restaurant for breakfast. Paid her around 3000 b for the whole amazing experience. Have taken her number will meet her when I am going back to China during the month of September (will ensure at least a 5 day layover).

Cheers

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1911942]

And when picking up freelancers from discos and such, you better bring an accountant with you to keep tabs on all the extra costs![/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but at least in Pattaya, IMO and in my experience, that statement / conclusion is utter, total BS.

People who prefer GOGO girls, and who like to point and click, may not like the extra, time, work etc that a Club like Insomnia requires. I only buy a drink after I have a deal. No need at all to buy before, unless you want to party with a a girl there for several hours.

And there are no other costs after, unless you wish to extend and keep a girl for days. Which I have done, because I just wanted to.

IMO, lazy folks, folks who have limited or no game, or those that just want purely sex and nothing else, will never really like a place like Insomnia. And that bull about needing an accountant is nothing but crap pulled out of one's behind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1911954]
You are indeed missing something. It actually costs to get into or leave out of every country, but the price is usually included in your ticket and the airline passes the money on to the proper government authorities.[/QUOTE]The air ticket doesn't include visa costs, be it only a stamp on the passport.

Airport taxes include a whole variety of services, such as baggage handling, security checks, etc. But do not include the immigration services.

These are provided by the government.

Of course, very creative government decided that lifting 10 or 30 or 50 bucks for a "visa" is a nice wwy for them to turn immigration services from a cost center into a profit center.

All of a sudden, at the simple rate of 10 $ per visitor, at a rate of one every 3 minutes, each agent can generate 200 $ an hour income. Not bad. And 10 $ is very conservative.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1911954]She said she is a bar girl. I said okay. Maybe you can come stay with me one night. She asked me to come pay the bar fine. I said no. You can just come after work. She said okay. You are smart.[/QUOTE]I sway from E's post depending on how many hours until the bar closes and how much the BF is. If it's 2 am, the BF is 1000 baht, and the club closes in 2 hours I will wait. If the BF is 600 baht I may consider it. If it's 9 pm, I want to take the girl to a dance club first and the BF is 1000 baht I will bite the bullet and BF her. If the BF is 1500+ I will work harder on meeting her on her day off which is always my first choice.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1911840]I am just more than a bit put off by the concept of a bar fine and marked up lady drinks. Can't see myself paying it, even if money was no object.[/QUOTE] If you had $10 million, you would not BF a lady you think is super hot for under $50 (1000 baht BF + 160 baht LD)?

[QUOTE=AcidBurns;1910808]Any massage centers offer lingham massage in pattaya.[/QUOTE]Most do massage your gingham but do not expect a traditional authentic penis massage. Most girls will just try to get it up and done with it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1912026]If you had $10 million, you would not BF a lady you think is super hot for under $50 (1000 baht BF + 160 baht LD)?[/QUOTE]If I had 10 million USD I would not be engaging in P4 P in Pattaya. I would be living and playing in much more expensive climes with a far higher class of working girl.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1911954]You are indeed missing something. It actually costs to get into or leave out of every country, but the price is usually included in your ticket and the airline passes the money on to the proper government authorities.[/QUOTE]I'm quite aware of that, having traveled abroad since the late 70's. But, thanks for your input. I was referring to out of pocket costs on top the more expensive airfare (or extra plane trip) to begin with. I've understand other travel expenses in nations neighboring Thailand can be higher. All that adds up. And that is what I mean by "false economy". Otherwise, a mere $35 for a visa would not be an obstacle.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1912051]If I had 10 million USD I would not be engaging in P4 P in Pattaya. I would be living and playing in much more expensive climes with a far higher class of working girl.[/QUOTE]I don't know about that. I would still find the climate desirable for half the year anyway and the cuisine pleasing to my palette, not to mention the relative safety of Thai Buddhist culture and the fact that I find some Thai girls very attractive. But you are right in that if I had $400,000 in disposable annual income to play around with I would definitely up my game a tad and search for the "car show pretty" and TV model girls BKKdog was talking about a few days ago. To that end I would have annual memberships with at least 2 or 3 high end BKK G-clubs and get well known in those places. Since money would be no object, I think I would do quite well with upper echelon Thai girls wherever they may be hanging out. I would start with a few of those agency girls working in What's Up A Go Go. Some of them are pretty hot. They would constitute my new "low end" and I would take it higher from there. Of course taking long 4 or 5 day weekend breaks in Macau, Tokyo, Jakarta, Manila, Moscow or anywhere else truly beautiful girls are found would be a regular thing that I wouldn't think twice about.

Hey, this is not too much different than what I do now only with adequate financing I would be able to do it year round instead of for just 2 months a year. Life is pretty good. I have no real complaints. Besides, its only money.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." - George Best

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1912131]I don't know about that. I would still find the climate desirable for half the year anyway and the cuisine pleasing to my palette, not to mention the relative safety of Thai Buddhist culture and the fact that I find some Thai girls very attractive. But you are right in that if I had $400,000 in disposable annual income to play around with I would definitely up my game a tad and search for the "car show pretty" and TV model girls BKKdog was talking about a few days ago. To that end I would have annual memberships with at least 2 or 3 high end BKK G-clubs and get well known in those places. Since money would be no object, I think I would do quite well with upper echelon Thai girls wherever they may be hanging out. I would start with a few of those agency girls working in What's Up A Go Go. Some of them are pretty hot. They would constitute my new "low end" and I would take it higher from there. Of course taking long 4 or 5 day weekend breaks in Macau, Tokyo, Jakarta, Manila, Moscow or anywhere else truly beautiful girls are found would be a regular thing that I wouldn't think twice about.

Hey, this is not too much different than what I do now only with adequate financing I would be able to do it year round instead of for just 2 months a year. Life is pretty good. I have no real complaints. Besides, its only money.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." - George Best[/QUOTE]Sounds like a tough life. 555. Where the hell do I sign up?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1912172]Sounds like a tough life. 555. [/QUOTE]Ricky Nelson singing "Travelin' Man" [URL]https://youtu.be/0janfcZ8LUw[/URL].

Dion singing "The Wanderer" [URL]https://youtu.be/IkoidwsLXCg[/URL].

I still get a kick out of watching these old videos, remembering the impact they had on me as a very young middle class pre-adolescent American boy. I guess I was a born punter because I always wanted to love a lot of girls and not just one. Nothing has changed 60 + years later.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1912191]Ricky Nelson singing "Travelin' Man" [URL]https://youtu.be/0janfcZ8LUw[/URL].

Dion singing "The Wanderer" [URL]https://youtu.be/IkoidwsLXCg[/URL].

I still get a kick out of watching these old videos, remembering the impact they had on me as a very young middle class pre-adolescent American boy. I guess I was a born punter because I always wanted to love a lot of girls and not just one. Nothing has changed 60 + years later.[/QUOTE]More power to you my friend. You are just as much of a legend (at least on this board) as those two!

[QUOTE=DeathWish;1911977]
I Smiled at NUT yeah that was her name and I just told her lets call it a day. We went to my room had some of that tasty German I want to get high shit (jagermeister) were fully sloshed went to sleep with both of us naked.

Got up around 11 she was still sleeping my hands were exploring her body she stirred gave me a smile and took my tool in her hand gave me a sloppy BJ. Morning BJS are the best, Slipped on a condom and drilled her in missionary came in about 10 minutes.

Took her out to a Indian restaurant for breakfast. Paid her around 3000 b for the whole amazing experience. Have taken her number will meet her when I am going back to China during the month of September (will ensure at least a 5 day layover).

Cheers[/QUOTE]I am happy you had a great time and it sounds like you found a winner.

I think I have only been to Tony's once and that was at least 8 years ago. My impression was that it was an Arab place and that the girls were a bit on the chunky side (not my thing. But hey different stroked for different folks). Nevertheless, after reading your report I may pop in to have a look next month.

Ibar every night can get a little monotonous after a few weeks.

What is the best time to go? From your post it sounds like you hit the place around midnight.

Thanks for your FR!

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1912191]Ricky Nelson singing "Travelin' Man" [URL]https://youtu.be/0janfcZ8LUw[/URL].

Dion singing "The Wanderer" [URL]https://youtu.be/IkoidwsLXCg[/URL].

I still get a kick out of watching these old videos, remembering the impact they had on me as a very young middle class pre-adolescent American boy. I guess I was a born punter because I always wanted to love a lot of girls and not just one. Nothing has changed 60 + years later.[/QUOTE]60 years later? Wow! I had no idea whatsoever that you were the same age as Uncle V!

No wonder you guys are birds of a feather!

And still Hanging! Together! 👻

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1912172]Sounds like a tough life. 555. Where the hell do I sign up?[/QUOTE][URL]UncleV.com[/URL]

Tried Kinnaree recently. Good service & reasonable value at 1,300 all in, though not my style: very cold & _clinical. I also don't like this kind of place where there are as many or more punters as service providers.

Anyone stayed in LK MANSION pattaya.

Is it girl friendly.

Any joiners fees in hotel?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1913365] I also don't like this kind of place where there are as many or more punters as service providers.[/QUOTE]Ugh! I hate sausage fests.

[QUOTE=Nishu617;1913451]Anyone stayed in LK MANSION pattaya.

Is it girl friendly.

Any joiners fees in hotel?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Almost all hotels in Pattaya are girl friendly. When booking always mention 2 adults and there will be no joiner fees if you bring only one girl.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1911840]Thanks for your feedback, guys. That helps. I am just more than a bit put off by the concept of a bar fine and marked up lady drinks. Can't see myself paying it, even if money was no object. Guess it will be freelancers for me, and I have read up a bit about venues where freelance girls work beside the street. Those prices are not bad at all from my Western perspective. But, I can understand if some old hands are disappointed by what they say is a declining experience and higher cost.

I do go to other sources for info on Pattaya, such as youtube and noticed Pattaya has its share of massage parlors. One vblogger commented that the MPs put the price signs for the various services out front during the day, but the signs are gone in the evening. I am curious if there is any value there as well, or if the "upsells" for additional services just make this false economy. Any comments on those?

Funny, I do read posts from people who complain about rising prices in Thailand, and are opting for Cambodia or Laos. However, a brief look at travel costs to those places, and other related costs ($35 just to enter your country?) would appear to again result in false economy? Or am I missing something there?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1911942]Massage places advertise prices of between 200 to 400 baht for one or two hours of "oil" massage.

Of course that price does not include any of the naughty services. Those you negotiate directly with the girl. The price for the massage you pay to the house and is - more or less - their form of barfine.


And when picking up freelancers from discos and such, you better bring an accountant with you to keep tabs on all the extra costs![/QUOTE]Cambodia may seem like a bargain flying from nearby Thailand but it isn't a top 20 mongering destination. As mentioned airfare and lodging which isn't pricey say $400 usd would be better spent staying in Thailand. I wasn't impressed with Phnom Penh freelancers. The guaranteed action massage parlor is overpriced. Cambodians and Viet are slimmer than Thais overall. Thailand is much easier and has volume and variety. In hindsight I dreaded going to PP over Phuket. A lot of bar-girls want excessive drinks and start negotiations at 50 USD. I have gotten better performance at discos than scripted soapies. Negotiation is key at Ibar. If your spending over 2 k you should be getting a solid 8 under 30 years old. The math is simple. If a chick wants go go territory money in ibar and your game is weak go the go go route and get the stunner and hope she isn't starfish or runner. Spending BKK disco money in Patts is foolhardly.

[QUOTE=Nishu617;1913451]Anyone stayed in LK MANSION pattaya.

Is it girl friendly.

Any joiners fees in hotel?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have stayed there twice, and never been asked for a joiners fee.

I booked room for two, stayed only one person, but took up to two girls for a visit.

Sorry wrong thread post.

[QUOTE=Nishu617;1913451]Anyone stayed in LK MANSION pattaya.

Is it girl friendly.

Any joiners fees in hotel?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nishu617;1913451]Anyone stayed in LK MANSION pattaya.

Is it girl friendly.

Any joiners fees in hotel?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can check about hotels in Pattaya Hotels form. As a rule most of the hotels do not have joiner fees and almost all hotels in Pattaya are girl friendly. They obviously know why you are there!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1913109]60 years later? Wow! I had no idea whatsoever that you were the same age as Uncle V!

No wonder you guys are birds of a feather!

And still Hanging! Together! 👻[/QUOTE]Haha. Us septuagarians will out party you sextagerians any day!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1913763]Haha. Us septuagarians will out party you sextagerians any day![/QUOTE]LOL! Probably true! But, be that as it may. Love seeing you happy! Be Happy my friend!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1913763]Haha. Us septuagarians will out party you sextagerians any day![/QUOTE]And here I thought I was th only one! Thanks Uncle V.

GE.

[QUOTE=Nishu617;1913451]Anyone stayed in LK MANSION pattaya.

Is it girl friendly.

Any joiners fees in hotel?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Take a look in the Pattaya hotel forum. That would be the first place I would look and post my question.

Was looking for some BDSM options in Pattaya and only found this one. Damages were steep, but such fantasies come at a cost. Spent around 7 K for 1.5 HR with two mistresses, cummed twice.

The place was itself little off from the walking street or from any 'action' in Pattaya, anyways navigated my way to the "dungeon". I was expecting it to be in some shady corner, but it was boldly situated on a busy road. Rang the bell and was greeted by a lady who told me about the entry fees (900 baht for entry and beer). After agreeing to this, was let in. The place was very dimly lit (kind of a Gothic feel). I was the only customer there, got all the attention. Sat down for a beer. The girls were the same as they have on their website, no surprises there. Six girls (four slaves / two mistresses, probably everyone they had) started the demo for me to select the girls from. Wax torture, spanking / flogging / bondage etc. Picked up both the mistresses for 1. 5 HR session. Total damage asked was 6. 8 K baht (including entry). Wasn't in mood for negotiation, agreed promptly. They showed me around asking to choose the place for the action and then talked about my fetishes. They had all sorts of props / cells you would expect in a dungeon. Went for a 'vanilla' room. Quickly showered and then the women took over. Tied me to the bed, they were over me for the remaining time, face sitting / trampling / choking / HJ. The second HJ became rather rough, but was well worth it.

Recent visit to this place on Soi Lengkee near 3rd Road. When I walked in I knew it was a mistake. Anyone who sessions here clearly has a different level of optics than I seek. Determined I managed to pick a girl to try out the service level. I managed to find a girl who was lower 50% of soi 6 quality. The rest would have been bottom of the barrel Soi 6. Only opted for 500 baht BJ. It was actually very good and CIM was no problem. BJ right at the bar is fine so exhibitionists may find this appealing. Damage 300 barfine + 500 BJ. If you don't care what a girl looks like the budget conscious can try La Poste. If looks counts for anything in your criteria skip this place.

I'd recommend nearby Pirates or Club 007 over La Poste.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1914810]Recent visit to this place on Soi Lengkee near 3rd Road. When I walked in I knew it was a mistake. Anyone who sessions here clearly has a different level of optics than I seek. Determined I managed to pick a girl to try out the service level. I managed to find a girl who was lower 50% of soi 6 quality. The rest would have been bottom of the barrel Soi 6. Only opted for 500 baht BJ. It was actually very good and CIM was no problem. BJ right at the bar is fine so exhibitionists may find this appealing. Damage 300 barfine + 500 BJ. If you don't care what a girl looks like the budget conscious can try La Poste. If looks counts for anything in your criteria skip this place.

I'd recommend nearby Pirates or Club 007 over La Poste.[/QUOTE]Good info BB. And handy comparison to Soi 6. I see that I have not been missing anything by skipping this place. I have a hard enough time finding girls I am attracted to on the 6.

Incidentally, how would the optics level at Pirates or 007 compare to Soi 6?

Thanks for the post!

I have problems finding girls on Soi 6 as well but if you look hard and often enough they are there. One of the best imo is this girl from Nightwish. One of the few who are gogo girl quality. She has a Japanese following like a top gogo girl.

I like one girl at Pirates and 1 girl at 007, both would be high end Soi 6. Think of the 3 bars as 3 Soi 6 bars except cleaner. Unless you have a motorbike, enjoy walking, or are staying a long time there is no need to go here unless you're like me who will seek every nook and cranny to find that hidden gem. So far my tedious search has resulted in a gem at a tiny obscure bar off 3rd Road, way off the beaten path. My main girl in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=FaceCushion;1914675]Was looking for some BDSM options in Pattaya and only found this one. Damages were steep, but such fantasies come at a cost. Spent around 7 K for 1.5 HR with two mistresses, cummed twice.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the field report on The Castle. Unlikely I will ever make it there, but enough people ask about this alternative in Pattaya that it is good to have the intel. I wonder if the two most inclined Devils Den ladies could approach a similar type experience as a less hard core but more reasonably priced option?

SL.

[QUOTE=FaceCushion;1914675]Was looking for some BDSM options in Pattaya and only found this one. Damages were steep, but such fantasies come at a cost. Spent around 7 K for 1.5 HR with two mistresses, cummed twice.

The place was itself little off from the walking street or from any 'action' in Pattaya, anyways navigated my way to the "dungeon". I was expecting it to be in some shady corner, but it was boldly situated on a busy road. Rang the bell and was greeted by a lady who told me about the entry fees (900 baht for entry and beer). After agreeing to this, was let in. The place was very dimly lit (kind of a Gothic feel). I was the only customer there, got all the attention. Sat down for a beer. The girls were the same as they have on their website, no surprises there. Six girls (four slaves / two mistresses, probably everyone they had) started the demo for me to select the girls from. Wax torture, spanking / flogging / bondage etc. Picked up both the mistresses for 1. 5 HR session. Total damage asked was 6. 8 K baht (including entry). Wasn't in mood for negotiation, agreed promptly. They showed me around asking to choose the place for the action and then talked about my fetishes. They had all sorts of props / cells you would expect in a dungeon. Went for a 'vanilla' room. Quickly showered and then the women took over. Tied me to the bed, they were over me for the remaining time, face sitting / trampling / choking / HJ. The second HJ became rather rough, but was well worth it.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I plan to go there next week. Any other tips from your side would help. I believe they give full service. Right? Can you mention the girl's names as well?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1914903]I have problems finding girls on Soi 6 as well but if you look hard and often enough they are there. One of the best imo is this girl from Nightwish. One of the few who are gogo girl quality. She has a Japanese following like a top gogo girl.

I like one girl at Pirates and 1 girl at 007, both would be high end Soi 6. Think of the 3 bars as 3 Soi 6 bars except cleaner. Unless you have a motorbike, enjoy walking, or are staying a long time there is no need to go here unless you're like me who will seek every nook and cranny to find that hidden gem. So far my tedious search has resulted in a gem at a tiny obscure bar off 3rd Road, way off the beaten path. My main girl in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info. i think I will give these places a pass for now as I think time is better spent trawling the Six and other locations.

I am glad your search has paid off. Haha. It's amazing when you can find a regular girl like that. Unspoiled by the gogo or disco scene.

Yes, there seem to be at least two or three good ones at Nightwish these days as well. It will be one of the first places I hit next week. Maybe we can meet up. I owe you a beer form your Germany recommendations ;)

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1915088]I am glad your search has paid off. Haha. It's amazing when you can find a regular girl like that. Unspoiled by the gogo or disco scene.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say that. The girl that I know who works in 007, I met in 808. Me and my wingman went there the next day and he fucked her. I fucked her friend (that I met in 808 at the same time) who used to work there but stopped because she felt guilty fucking married guys.

[QUOTE=Mohit317;1915069]Thanks. I plan to go there next week. Any other tips from your side would help. I believe they give full service. Right? Can you mention the girl's names as well?[/QUOTE]Not sure about full service, was not my wishlist for that day. I believe the 'slave' girls might give, the mistresses most likely not. Didn't ask for the names but the two girls (domina) on the site's home page were there. Attaching the pics of the girls (taken from their website) who definitely were there.

[QUOTE=Mohit317;1915069]Thanks. I plan to go there next week. Any other tips from your side would help. I believe they give full service. Right? Can you mention the girl's names as well?[/QUOTE]Normally traditional hard core professional dominatrixes will not provide extras like BJ / FS as it is just not in their repertoire. They believe a truly dominant P4 P session does not involve those activities, and refer to those who do as an [I]escort with a whip[/I]. Different strokes for different folks 555.

Not sure what is usual and customary in Thailand, but be it Dom or sub I would not assume and certainly ask in advance about FS being the menu. That is why I speculated about the DD possibility; likely less intense rough stuff play, but FS ++ for sure.

SL.

Have some fucking manners. At my usual breakfast restaurant and a foreigner comes with no shirt on, turns the fan on and sits right in front of me. Who the hell goes in a restaurant with no shirt on back home? Another case of leaving the brains at the airport.

But anyway. Met a chick online yesterday. Works in a massage shop. No kids. Came over and stayed all night. Was bugging me to fuck this morning before going to the shop to clean. Pics were her idea. Usual 1000 baht.

No prob if you bring in girls. Except they will ask for ID. No Joiner fee.

I was there in Feb.

On Second Road at 8 this morning and I just saw the Beach Road dark skinned chick named Nana that people used to post and rave about. She is now old, fat, and burned out.

I am in BKK on business trip this week, and I get weekend for pleasure. I matched with this Latina girl (see attachment) on Pattaya tinder.

See looks sexy and all but asked for THB 5000 for an hour (see sent few nudes too), I believe asking price is way too high.

Has anyone met her? Is she any good? I am really tempted to spend some time with her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1917147]On Second Road at 8 this morning and I just saw the Beach Road dark skinned chick named Nana that people used to post and rave about. She is now old, fat, and burned out.[/QUOTE]Is that the one with the porn vid you can find online? She was indeed delicious back in the day. But like Charles Barkley says, "Father time is undefeated. ".

[QUOTE=TomHaverford;1917254]I am in BKK on business trip this week, and I get weekend for pleasure. I matched with this Latina girl (see attachment) on Pattaya tinder.

See looks sexy and all but asked for THB 5000 for an hour (see sent few nudes too), I believe asking price is way too high.

Has anyone met her? Is she any good? I am really tempted to spend some time with her.[/QUOTE]Go to Mixx in the smoking area and you will find her and about 5-6 Latinos on each given night. If you are not a club guy and want early evening pussy just across the road is Spasso in grand Hyatt erawan the same or about 3-4 Latinos you will find there also.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=TomHaverford;1917254]I am in BKK on business trip this week, and I get weekend for pleasure. I matched with this Latina girl (see attachment) on Pattaya tinder.

See looks sexy and all but asked for THB 5000 for an hour (see sent few nudes too), I believe asking price is way too high.

Has anyone met her? Is she any good? I am really tempted to spend some time with her.[/QUOTE]Market forces at work. You pay high because supply of Latinas is low.

[QUOTE=TomHaverford;1917254]
Has anyone met her? Is she any good? I am really tempted to spend some time with her.[/QUOTE]Tom, the absolute best advice I can give you is "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" and forget about this "Latina" chick. Believe me, as soon as you arrive in Pattaya, you will be surrounded by hundreds of friendly and sexy Thai girls who will show you a much better time that Miss Latin America will. Ha Ha. So don't fight the odds. Put your "Latina" desires on hold until such time as you are visiting Colombia. I guarantee you that when you are in Medelln or Bogota, you will find hundreds of better looking and better performing Colombianas and for a lot less money than this one in Pat.

In LOS the local fruit is always sweeter. Try the fresh Mangos and Durian in the marketplace and forget about those apples and pears shipped in from thousands of miles away.

Though the quoted seems high but if you are lusting for a Latino as I am go ahead and enjoy.

Tempting catch.

Cheers

[QUOTE=TomHaverford;1917254]I am in BKK on business trip this week, and I get weekend for pleasure. I matched with this Latina girl (see attachment) on Pattaya tinder.

See looks sexy and all but asked for THB 5000 for an hour (see sent few nudes too), I believe asking price is way too high.

Has anyone met her? Is she any good? I am really tempted to spend some time with her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomHaverford;1917254]I am in BKK on business trip this week, and I get weekend for pleasure. I matched with this Latina girl (see attachment) on Pattaya tinder.

See looks sexy and all but asked for THB 5000 for an hour (see sent few nudes too), I believe asking price is way too high.

Has anyone met her? Is she any good? I am really tempted to spend some time with her.[/QUOTE]Feel Free to dream when at home, we all do that.

Then forget all when you board the plane and erase all data when you land.

Start from scratch.

Thailand is a land of hunt. Where is the point in fixing there and get your prey in the hotel room without the plessure of the search. ?

To do so no need to fly, stay home and order room service from some local provider at home.

So just go there, hit the road, Jack, and report.

[QUOTE=TomHaverford;1917254]I am in BKK on business trip this week, and I get weekend for pleasure. I matched with this Latina girl (see attachment) on Pattaya tinder.[/QUOTE]Those are Colombians who come here from China to reset their Chinese Visas. As Alex said, they hang in Mixx. Most of them have a lot of plastic surgery. Fake ass, tits, lips. I speak Spanish and still have not been able to get them down from 5000 baht. No way I am giving that much money when I can fuck their cousins in Colombia for only $12.

As Natty Bumpo said, when you go somewhere you feast off the local fare. Shit that is considered exotic will cost you an arm and a leg. Thai food here costs me $2. Chick back in the States got me to take her to a Thai restaurant and it cost me $100.

Speaking of Mixx, I rode by there last week thinking about going to Lima Lima that someone had posted about a while back. I did not see the Lima Lima sign there anymore and saw an Indian flag instead. Maybe that explains the cover charge they were talking about. The Indian discos that I have been to the foyer of here all charge to get in. There was also some destruction going on to another part of the building.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1917719] Fake ass, tits, lips.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your help. Nudes she sent does confirm fake tits and ass.

I guess, I will stick to Thai girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1917721]Speaking of Mixx, I rode by there last week thinking about going to Lima Lima that someone had posted about a while back. I did not see the Lima Lima sign there anymore and saw an Indian flag instead. Maybe that explains the cover charge they were talking about. The Indian discos that I have been to the foyer of here all charge to get in. There was also some destruction going on to another part of the building.[/QUOTE]I've seen various blurbs about this. It seems that part of the building was built illegally. I'm quoting a response posted about a month ago from another site.

"I spoke to some people in the know last night at Mixx (It is still open.) That front section of Lima Lima, the veranda being torn down, is illegal and will be removed as it is now. The back section, where Mask is (Which is now closed) will be removed.

At this time, Mixx, Brooklyn and the little diners in the front and Starbucks are all legal and will remain. Lima Lima, the inside part, will remain. For now.

They are likely to only destroy the offending locations and save the rest of the building. Mixx is 100% legal and in the legal part of the building before other owners encroached and are fighting this tooth and nail (Obviously, it was packed wall to wall last night)".

Firstly, as the title says, Thank you guys. I've learned a ton of information before every stepping foot in Pattaya from you all. I've RTFT about 500+ pages of reports over the past 26 months of lurking (BKK / Pattaya). I finally made an account a few months back on ISG. Now I'd like to give back since I've learned so much from you all. I'll be spending the $20 to connect with some of you for my Nov-Jan trip soon too.

For anyone planning a first time trip – read up, be prepared, know your pricing for different activities and learn a couple Thai words / phrases. Then when you actually get to Pattaya, you'll likely forget it all and let your horny desires take hold, enjoy yourself. I am still new to the P4P scene, but ISG helps immensely.

My first trip to Thailand was to BKK in April of 2014. It was a short, only 4 days. I booked it on a horny whim while traveling in Europe. Found a cheap flight from BCN and off I went with Emirates Air. (Their flight crew is beautiful and service is top notch. Not what I'm used to from the US) Landed in BKK and off I went to the Majestic Grande. I was unprepared and had no idea what I was getting into then, but I knew after 4 days / nights that I found my new favorite destination of travel / short retirements / remote work destination. What happened in the next 96 hours was. Eye-opening, life-altering, wild, dirty nasty fun. I'the never experienced anything quite like NEP and Soi Cowboy. I felt like a deer in headlights my first night walking around, taking it all in. The girls, the smiles, the sexy tan skin, the skinny little things walking around with barley a skirt and high heels on, girls tugging at you to bring you into their club / bar / go-go. This was all new. I read about it, heard about it, watched YouTube about it, but none of that really prepared me for my first night walking around Soi Cowboy and NEP and sitting at one of the bars on Sukhumvit Soi4 after dark people watching or going to Annie's Soapie Massage for a late afternoon soapie.

Sorry, I must digress, this is the Pattaya Reports thread.

Been back to Thailand 7 times since 2014 and can't wait to go back at the end of Nov. I can post some past reports from the last couple years if that would be wanted, they are out dated, but still in my memory bank. My recent trip was in April / May 2016.

April 2016 - Day 1/2.

My flight leaving LAX was delayed 3+hours on the tarmac. Ugh not a good start, I was connecting in NRT which I now had anxiety about making that connection. Couple guys on the plane were going to BKK also a bit nervous about making that connection. Arrived to NRT arrival, learned connection already left. Re-booked on another flight ETD 1 hour from then, perfect. Nope, didn't happen, plane has mechanical issues. Delayed 2 hours. The'oh! I finally arrived in BKK; 5 hours later than I should have. It was 11 pm. I was tired, but I knew what was ahead, Pattaya pussy. I'the hoped to be already with a PYT at the Areca Lodge by 11 pm, but not tonight.

My routine is customs, ATM, TrueMove, Taxi stand. (This is probably everyone's routine now that I think about it). Negotiated a taxi for 1,100 bht tolls included (not Mr. T, but decent pricing and newer van). Thanks to you guys I knew what I should pay for a taxi to Pattaya.

Arrived to Areca Lodge around 1:30 am. Showered and off I went looking for that ice breaker. Didn't bother going to LK Metro, directly to WS. I was smiling ear to ear on the motorbike while we were zipping down the streets, looking at all the lovely ladies in their short shorts and mini skirts. I love Thailand and especially Thai girls.

Got dropped on soi Diamond. Walked down the street to grab a beer and water from 7/11, but wanted to check out the talent as I strolled down the street. Just like I remember in from my Dec'15/ Jan'16 trip. Sexy girls everywhere.

The lights, the music, the mini skirts, sexy legged, slim bodied, smiling Thai girls all around! For me, it's a feeling that happens when it's my first night of the trip, looking for some action. Even the dirty uneven streets of WS, the smell of tasty food remind me "I'm in Pattaya. " It wasn't early, so I figured I should check out a GoGo or 2, but first a beer. It was hot and I wanted to check out some eye candy walking along WS. Finished my beer quickly and moved on.

I wandered into What's Up took one look around and saw only one other person in there. A couple girls on stage, one was enthusiastic. A group of girls were sitting on the couches taking shots. They all yelled when they saw me, I grinned gave them a smile and a quick wai. They darted over like a magnet to metal. I smiled as I sat down and had 4 girls around me like I was already handing out baht. They were sweet and mostly drunk ☺. No worries, this should be fun for a bit. So we chatted a bit in English and some Thai. They didn't speak much English and I only speak a bit of Thai, but we had a good time as they were amazed I spoke Thai at all, let alone wai'd when I came in. The group of 6's-7. 5's were fun to mess around with joking, smiling, rubbing their legs as they rotated sitting on my lap. LD were asked for, but I politely said Ha natee krup. They laughed and all was good. Nobody else was there now, so yeah, I got 5 minutes of oogling.

Then I spotted the enthusiastic girl on stage again and got a better look at her body and face. Whoa! She was hot, 8. 5+ hot. She had these sexy curves you don't see often on Thai girls. She had an ass too, not quite a booty, but a round sexy ass. Her smile was bright, her hair was long, black and wavy. She had moves on the stage, not just holding the pole slightly moving around with a 1,000 yard stare, but real moves. She was looking at herself in the mirrors while she danced. We locked eyes for a minute, she smiled got a bit self conscious that I saw her checking herself out, then laughed again and continued dancing around.

Yes please!

I asked one of the girls on my lap about her, said "suay mak" and waved her over. Pretty sure the mamasan wasn't caring much about her shift time on stage since nobody else was inside. Being a good karma believer, I bought the 5 girls shots, they all cheered and got even more frisky. But my prize was Aom (I think this was her name) She jumped on my lap and I felt her soft as silky skin. Her body was firm, her boobs were Thai sized (A / BS) and well shaped. Her skin was on the lighter side of tan and her eyes were electric. Damn, little head was creeping up, he wanted to say "take my money, I want honey. " I gave her plump rump a squeeze from underneath her short short skirt. Oh yeah.

Aom was a winner. She knew she was hot too. This isn't going to be a cheap start, but sometimes these things happen.

We took our shots together and the other girls were happy, but Aom and I were in an intimate stare down with her putting her forehead to mine and looking into my eyes, she pulls away and laughs and comes back to and gives me a small kiss. I'm not a P4P kisser usually, but Aom would be an exception.

Next thing you know the other girls all saw this exchange between us and kinda drifted away and let us get to know each other more. Aom was 22. Lived in Pattaya with her mom. Aom had a kid, typical story, BF was an asshole, didn't want to marry and raise the kid with her, she bailed and moved with her family to Pattaya. Mom doesn't know she works part-time in a GoGo. Said she works at a retail place at Central Plaza too. Etcetera etcetera. BF + ST?

She was coming back with me, so lets cut to it. BF? 600 bht. ST? 3,000. I said 2,500 in Thai, she liked me I could tell (or at least for that moment) she agreed. I settled up with mama, she changed into these sexy white pants and small but wavy top. She looked so hot. She was more than I had hoped to spend the first night, but oh well. It was on.

One of the other great tips I've learned on ISG is late at night, ST usually turns into LT with some girls. Aom was no exception. We stopped by 7/11 for some refreshments for when we got back to Areca. Hopped onto a moto-taxi triple Thai style and we were off.

Aom was definitely buzzed and I was too. I had one hand on the back of the moto and one hand was roaming all around her sexy curves. She turned and gave me this insanely sexy look and I was quickly losing my main brain and letting the little one take over. Stumbled through the lobby to the elevator with her and I just about ran to my room with her in tow. We were all over each other when we walked in. Kissing feeling each others bodies up and down. I pulled at her pants and then top. She took them off quick. She almost ripped my clothes off at the same time. We went to the shower to clean up together. I do enjoy taking a shower with girls. Rubbing, soaping, sexy touching. Yum.

I thought I would be getting a nice shower BBBJ to get the night started, but she got me hard and heated then got out grabbed me a towel and dried me off a bit. Pulled my hand to the bed with a damn sexy walk while her towel was wrapped around her showing off that butt. She knew I liked her ass. I'the said Phom chob gon yai khong khun at least a couple times that already.

Aom dropped her towel and pushed me down on the bed and did a little sexy dance, got shy a bit and laughed then crawled up the foot of the bed locking eyes with me and stopping to kiss around my solider. She teased the shit out of me, but it was worth it. She gave me a great BBBJ using her mouth, saliva and hands. She was kind of sideways on me allowing me to play with her holes while she was doing her job. Got a few shrieks of approval while playing with her, she was enjoying herself. I was ready to plow Aom.

I moved us around so I could lay her down in mish so I could see this lovely girl while stroking in and out of her. Covered up watching my solder go deep into her while her juices kept getting wetter After a couple minutes I wanted CG in to RCG. Who doesn't love watching a pair of lips move up and down, gripping you while slowly oozing juices? RCG got me really wanting to spank her and explore her other hole. It was so tight. I circled it, lubed it, and played with it, put some pressure on it to test the waters while she was going up and down on me. She jumped when I put a bit more pressure on that hole. Looked back at me with eyes that said, "I've never done that, it hurts, feels good, but I'm unsure." If I wasn't rock solid already, I felt like I went into ultra hard, super perv mode with that look. Except she was teasing me. She wasn't going to let me open her up back there. Nope, she let me think I'the get to see her squirm and push back on me while letting a bit more inside her brown cavity letting me keep going deeper BUT not tonight, She let me continue to play with her forbidden hole. Swiping my hand every once in a while when I'the get my finger tip deeper than she wanted. Man I wanted to pound her ass.

We moved into DS and I kept thinking about her brown cavity as it was staring at me while I was plunging deep into her other hole. It winked up at me. I played with it circling, putting pressure on it, hoping she'the give me the OK to withdraw and re-enter her exit hole. She wasn't going to let me. I didn't really care I was balls deep in a beautiful 22 year old girl who was one of most fantastic go-go girls I've been with. I think she enjoyed the additional teasing from me sounded like she came she got sensitive for a quick minute then it was time. I lasted longer than I thought I would with Aom's holes looking up at me while she was face down. I exploded inside of her inside the condom. I hunched down over her, I was spent, jet lagged, buzzed and enjoyed my first night. She too was spent. Aom asked if she could stay cuddle a bit and sleep, of course. With a little boom boom wake up.

We slept till 11 am, missed breakfast, oh well, I got a bit of exercise for my breakfast with Aom.

Showered up with Aom, gave her 2,700 baht. She said to come back to see her after 12 am that day for cheap BF. Walked her out and she gave me a huge hug and kiss in the elevator. Day 1 + 2 was in the books and WOW. I remember Aom like it was yesterday. I only wish I got her number and went back to see her that night, but I was wrapped up with a different girl by 12 am the next day. I'll be hunting for Aom in Nov when I return.

Looks 8.5+.

Service 8.0.

Attitude 9.0.

Repeat ability. Could, would, should and I'the have gotten her brown medallion.

TL; DR. RTFT.

Sorry if this was way to long of a first post. I'll shorten it up next time.

[QUOTE=AsianLust;1918276]Firstly, as the title says, Thank you guys. I've learned a ton of information before every stepping foot in Pattaya from you all. I've RTFT about 500+ pages of reports over the past 26 months of lurking (BKK / Pattaya). I finally made an account a few months back on ISG. Now I'd like to give back since I've learned so much from you all. I'll be spending the $20 to connect with some of you for my Nov-Jan trip soon too.

For anyone planning a first time trip read up, be prepared, know your pricing for different activities and learn a couple Thai words / phrases. Then when you actually get to Pattaya, you'll likely forget it all and let your horny desires take hold, enjoy yourself. I am still new to the P4P scene, but ISG helps immensely.

My first trip to Thailand was to BKK in April of 2014. It was a short, only 4 days. I booked it on a horny whim while traveling in Europe. Found a cheap flight from BCN and off I went with Emirates Air. (Their flight crew is beautiful and service is top notch. Not what I'm used to from the US) Landed in BKK and off I went to the Majestic Grande. I was unprepared and had no idea what I was getting into then, but I knew after 4 days / nights that I found my new favorite destination of travel / short retirements / remote work destination. What happened in the next 96 hours was. Eye-opening, life-altering, wild, dirty nasty fun. I'the never experienced anything quite like NEP and Soi Cowboy. I felt like a deer in headlights my first night walking around, taking it all in. The girls, the smiles, the sexy tan skin, the skinny little things walking around with barley a skirt and high heels on, girls tugging at you to bring you into their club / bar / go-go. This was all new. I read about it, heard about it, watched YouTube about it, but none of that really prepared me for my first night walking around Soi Cowboy and NEP and sitting at one of the bars on Sukhumvit Soi4 after dark people watching or going to Annie's Soapie Massage for a late afternoon soapie.

Sorry, I must digress, this is the Pattaya Reports thread.

Been back to Thailand 7 times since 2014 and can't wait to go back at the end of Nov.[/QUOTE]A GREAT first report Asian Lust.

Thank you.

Hotman.

[QUOTE=AsianLust;1918276]Sorry if this was way to long of a first post. I'll shorten it up next time.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? Doesn't matter if your next report is short / medium / long at least you are reporting. And a very good report at that. I was just reviewing many pages on Subic and AC for the annual fall trip and saw dozen different guys asking for info and concluding with "I will drop a report when back" or something like that and 6 months later no word from them. So thank you on your first report.

[QUOTE=TomHaverford;1917254]I am in BKK on business trip this week, and I get weekend for pleasure. I matched with this Latina girl (see attachment) on Pattaya tinder.

See looks sexy and all but asked for THB 5000 for an hour (see sent few nudes too), I believe asking price is way too high.

Has anyone met her? Is she any good? I am really tempted to spend some time with her.[/QUOTE]As Wolven and natty and a couple others mentioned you have so many more and better options.

I am in Colombia now and that girl is nothing to get excited about at all. Not for 5000 baht not for 1000 baht. IMO they are literally 1000+ or more better looking Thai girls within a kilometer of wherever this girl is in Pattaya. If you are itching for Latina pussy come to South America.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;1861895]In general, the work ethic of Russian girls is very high, similar to Brazil or Thailand, EXCEPT in Thailand, where they are so much in demand, that the market is screwed up.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you can make a generalization on Russian work ethics. I've had one of my best sessions in a Prague private with a 19-year old Russian born provider who had lived nearly all her life in Czech Republic. On the other hand, my absolutely worst experience was with a Russian FL (claimed to be an architecture major from SPB) picked up from a bar in Helsinki back in 2002. She agreed to a 2-hour session, no limits on pops, DFK etc. She turned out to be a cold fish in the room and started to head out after first pop (about 15 minutes in to the session).

[QUOTE=AsianLust;1918276]Firstly, as the title says, Thank you guys. I've learned a ton of information before every stepping foot in Pattaya from you all. I've RTFT about 500+ pages of reports over the past 26 months of lurking (BKK / Pattaya). I finally made an account a few months back on ISG. Now I'd like to give back since I've learned so much from you all. I'll be spending the $20 to connect with some of you for my Nov-Jan trip soon too.[/QUOTE]Excellent report Lust! I am making preliminary plans to return to Pattaya next November as well. Hope you continue to have a great time!

It has been a lovely time that I have spent here. Thanks to all members who keep posting their experiences. It really helps us for our short visits. Was here for 3 days and spent time with 6 girls.

Tony's great Indian. Nice joint for Indians and a good pickup point. Loads of freelancers here.

Sensations. Super place picked up Fi for LT and she was great.

PP Massage. Super place picked up Kimmy and she is amazing in bed. No anal though but let's you finger her asshole. Went to her 2 days in a row.

Devils Den. Was very apprehensive as there were mixed reports but still went ahead. A little expensive but was not in the mood of hunting. Took Luck for a Nuru massage and she is one funny girl. She is very humorous and totally enjoys what she does. What followed was an amazing time with loads of BBJ, Anal, DATY came twice with her.

Rasputin Massage. Nice place but the manager keeps pushing you to select a girl quickly. Got Lita and found out she hardly knew English. But boy o boy she was awesome in bed. Complete GFE. Everything on menu except Anal but insisted on fingering her butthole and she agreed. Does everything to please you.

Next up was from the hotel I was staying. The girl for room service came up serve food and asked me if I want to go for massage. Well I wanted to but this girl was cute and I asked her if she would available for some fun. And to my surprise she agreed the only challenge cannot do in hotel. So I asked her to arrange and call me I will reach the place. So she booked a place near Soi6 and we spent a good 3 hours post her shift. Damage 1000 B for her and 500 B for room.

So in all a happening trip and I am coming back in December.

Thanks again to all. Keep posting.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=AsianLust;1918276]Firstly, as the title says, Thank you guys. I've learned a ton of information before every stepping foot in Pattaya from you all. I've RTFT about 500+ pages of reports over the past 26 months of lurking (BKK / Pattaya). I finally made an account a few months back on ISG. Now I'd like to give back since I've learned so much from you all. I'll be spending the $20 to connect with some of you for my Nov-Jan trip soon too.[/QUOTE]A truly terrific report AsianLust, thanks for taking the time to write it up and post it.

I particularly enjoyed your report on the flight over (I know, eye rolls all around). I make that NRT connection all the time, and the flight over, plus the connection, are fraught with tension and excitement. It really adds to the experience.

I'm kind of surprised (in a good way) by your positive appraisal of Whats Up. When I went there, I found it to be a money grubbing rip off. I guess I need to visit again. Once again, thanks for the excellent report, and I hope to read more from you.

Chatting with a girl on TF, she said bars closed today and tomorrow? What gives? Thai holiday?

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1919217]Chatting with a girl on TF, she said bars closed today and tomorrow? What gives? Thai holiday?[/QUOTE]Vote for constitutional referendum.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1919224]Vote for constitutional referendum.[/QUOTE]Yeah, saw an article on the news. Had me scared for a second, go to PaTTS in three weeks.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1919179]A truly terrific report AsianLust, thanks for taking the time to write it up and post it.

I particularly enjoyed your report on the flight over (I know, eye rolls all around). I make that NRT connection all the time, and the flight over, plus the connection, are fraught with tension and excitement. It really adds to the experience.[/QUOTE]I usually fly Cathay and haven't had to experience the tension and excitement of delays through NRT!

Glad you guys enjoyed the report (Soldierb11 good to know. I do enjoy writing in detail) Working on writing up the other days to post soon.

I feel I got lucky at What's Up. I didn't got back though so I can't say for sure, but YMMV.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1919217]Chatting with a girl on TF, she said bars closed today and tomorrow? What gives? Thai holiday?[/QUOTE]They reopen tonight (Sunday) at midnight. While walking around last night there were random bars open just no music and lights.

Saw a girl on Beach Road with a full glass of beer well past the alcohol cut off time. Being thirsty, the ISG member I was with tried to find out where she got it from.

[QUOTE=Pipul47;1919170]Devils Den. Was very apprehensive as there were mixed reports but still went ahead. A little expensive but was not in the mood of hunting. Took Luck for a Nuru massage and she is one funny girl. She is very humorous and totally enjoys what she does. What followed was an amazing time with loads of BBJ, Anal, DATY came twice with her.
[/QUOTE]Was the Devil's Den girl an in-call (in the Devil's Den premises) or out-call (at a place outside DD premises)?

[QUOTE=AsianLust;1918276]Sorry if this was way to long of a first post. I'll shorten it up next time.[/QUOTE]Great report! Keep it up dude. And do not shorten them. People who do not like it can keep ranting. Looking forward to reading more of your exploits.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1917565]Believe me, as soon as you arrive in Pattaya, you will be surrounded by hundreds of friendly and sexy Thai girls who will show you a much better time that Miss Latin America will.[/QUOTE]To top it all, the girl dies not even look South American. Christ!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1914810]Recent visit to this place on Soi Lengkee near 3rd Road. When I walked in I knew it was a mistake. Anyone who sessions here clearly has a different level of optics than I seek. Determined I managed to pick a girl to try out the service level. I managed to find a girl who was lower 50% of soi 6 quality. The rest would have been bottom of the barrel Soi 6. Only opted for 500 baht BJ. It was actually very good and CIM was no problem. BJ right at the bar is fine so exhibitionists may find this appealing. Damage 300 barfine + 500 BJ. If you don't care what a girl looks like the budget conscious can try La Poste. If looks counts for anything in your criteria skip this place.

I'd recommend nearby Pirates or Club 007 over La Poste.[/QUOTE]I had posted about Bar de La Poste a while ago, exactly the same feelings. The women here are definitely not eye candy, but they have excellent BJ skills, if that is what you are seeking. If you want looks then Clun 4, 007, Pirates on Soi Full Love are a better bet. I would also recommend My Friend You on Soi 6 (recent posting) but it is a tad more expensive than the other BJ Bars. I am told by a friend the Click Bar is also a strong contender on Soi 6. It's on my list for the next visit.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1919702]To top it all, the girl dies not even look South American. Christ![/QUOTE]LOL. And how does one look South American? There are the decendants of the Inca in Peru, the Japanese decendants in Sao Paulo, the decendants of Angolan slaves in Bahia, the decendants of white Europeans in Argentina, the natives in Leticia Colombia, the decendants of Indian plantation workers in Guyana, and every kind of mix in between.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1919708]LOL. And how does one look South American? There are the decendants of the Inca in Peru, the Japanese decendants in Sao Paulo, the decendants of Angolan slaves in Bahia, the decendants of white Europeans in Argentina, the natives in Leticia Colombia, the decendants of Indian plantation workers in Guyana, and every kind of mix in between.[/QUOTE]I should have added the line "She looks almost middle eastern (Iran? ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1919708]LOL. And how does one look South American? There are the decendants of the Inca in Peru, the Japanese decendants in Sao Paulo, the decendants of Angolan slaves in Bahia, the decendants of white Europeans in Argentina, the natives in Leticia Colombia, the decendants of Indian plantation workers in Guyana, and every kind of mix in between.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Mr. ENT, most folks don't have a clue!

BTW, I am super impressed with your knowledge of many things in the international sphere, and also your ability with languages.

I think most guys here maybe don't fully understand you.

[QUOTE=FaceCushion;1915207]Not sure about full service, was not my wishlist for that day. I believe the 'slave' girls might give, the mistresses most likely not. Didn't ask for the names but the two girls (domina) on the site's home page were there. Attaching the pics of the girls (taken from their website) who definitely were there.[/QUOTE]You were right mate.

The dominas give only HJ but since I wanted full service so I chose a slave.

Overall a good one time experience.

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1919705]I had posted about Bar de La Poste a while ago, exactly the same feelings. The women here are definitely not eye candy, but they have excellent BJ skills, if that is what you are seeking. If you want looks then Clun 4, 007, Pirates on Soi Full Love are a better bet. I would also recommend My Friend You on Soi 6 (recent posting) but it is a tad more expensive than the other BJ Bars. I am told by a friend the Click Bar is also a strong contender on Soi 6. It's on my list for the next visit.[/QUOTE]Yeah! I've had great experience in click bar last year. Don't remember the name of the girl but her BJ skills were out of this world. Te quote was 800 bht for BJ and 1200 bht for full service including room on the upper floor.

Mongers,

I am from India and coming to Pattaya this weekend. Really interested to see ping pong show. Any clue of a place with minimum rip off will be helpful.

Any reference of nice girls contacts, places to monger etc well appreciated. PM is on!

Don't mind hiring a local Thai who act as a guide and help to score other women.

I promise to reciprocate if you ever come to Delhi in India or around.

[QUOTE=WorldTotter;1921003]Mongers,

I am from India and coming to Pattaya this weekend. Really interested to see ping pong show. Any clue of a place with minimum rip off will be helpful.

Any reference of nice girls contacts, places to monger etc well appreciated. PM is on!

Don't mind hiring a local Thai who act as a guide and help to score other women.

I promise to reciprocate if you ever come to Delhi in India or around.[/QUOTE]Are these guys for real? The mistakes of the procreation cycle. My my!

[QUOTE=WorldTotter;1921003]Mongers,

I am from India and coming to Pattaya this weekend. Really interested to see ping pong show. Any clue of a place with minimum rip off will be
Any reference of nice girls contacts, places to monger etc well appreciated. PM is on!
Don't mind hiring a local Thai who act as a guide and help to score other women.
.[/QUOTE]Uh? 20,000 posts not enough To guide you through?

In pattaya a guide is needed To Keep you away from the offer.

[QUOTE=WorldTotter;1921003]I am from India and coming to Pattaya this weekend. Really interested to see ping pong show. Any clue of a place with minimum rip off will be helpful.[/QUOTE]Are there any places with actual shows like that anymore since Xzone closed? I am not aware of any, even though you will see touts in the street trying to get you to go with them under the guise of seeing a ping pong show. I would say the closest you will come now is Windmill, which does not even compare to how Xzone was with the cue balls, darts, cigarettes, ice, etc.

Just leaving Patts, three weeks on-and-off. On day one of my three-week trip the second FL I chose from Beach Road was a very pretty 38 year old, hangs around across from Hooters. I am a long-time guy, want a girl in my bed for morning sex but Noc did not agree to long time, she agreed to THB 500 for short time but said "let's wait and see". After a very long, slow session we both fell asleep, I was worn out! She is incredibly responsive, went crazy each time I sucked / bit / licked her nipples. Morning sex was even better, she seemed even more responsive to my favorite positions, my penchant for slowing, stopping to lick and suck etc. After breakfast I put THB 1,100 in her purse and asked her to meet me in two days as I had to leave town to work for a few days.

When I retuned she seemed excited to go with me. And the sex was even better than the first time. Long, slow after-dinner session, some good sleep then the incredible morning session. Now, as a return customer she seemed go full GFE which made it even more exciting for me. Two days later I took her a third time, then two more times before I left the Land of Smiles, each time dinner, session 1, sleep, morning session 2 then breakfast for THB 1,100. The point of my post is - - unless you're a dedicated butterfly giving a provider some return business may increase the level of pleasure. This is the third time I've been able to find a very suitable lady early in the trip, give her several bits of return business and it gets better with each session.

And then there is the candy-store variety available on the off-days!

[QUOTE=WorldTotter;1921003]Mongers,

I am from India and coming to Pattaya this weekend. Really interested to see ping pong show. Any clue of a place with minimum rip off will be helpful.

Any reference of nice girls contacts, places to monger etc well appreciated. PM is on!

Don't mind hiring a local Thai who act as a guide and help to score other women.

I promise to reciprocate if you ever come to Delhi in India or around.[/QUOTE]I have no idea about ping pong shows in Pattaya but there are plenty in Patpong in Bangkok. As for contacts and information about Pattaya, please read about 2 weeks back up until present and you will see references to an Indian friendly club which would more than suffice for your mongering needs. There's a wealth of information regarding Soi 6, insomnia, and others discos, just read.

Finally, no senior member is just going to hand over contact information for ladies they know to a regular member who always asks questions but never reports back. Do yourself and the rest of the community a favor and post about your experiences in Pattaya when you arrive back home. Then maybe you will earn the respect of the members. Paying for a membership is just the first step but you need to contribute. Don't find yourself in that stereotypical India man section where they are considered selfish, cheap, and conceited. The girls will love you if you are generous, kind, and make an effort to learn some basic Thai. Many Indian men get along just great here because they follow these guidelines. Good luck and happy reading!

No idea why you want to see a ping pong show but just walk along Walking Street and look for guys with cards in their hands who call you in for ping pong shows. Not sure which gogo clubs they belong to.

it can't be that expensive this is Pattaya. If it's your dream to see a ping pong show what's $100?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1921060]Are these guys for real? The mistakes of the procreation cycle. My my![/QUOTE]No need to be conceited, just follow the advice below from Banana Boi and Bkkdog. You should be able to do that easily.

You being Indian as you already know it might a bit of a problem getting into some of the major go-go, but you never know since it is low season. Ping pong shows are mostly for the tourist groups but not worth the time and money! These are more as they call it sex shows, you see many of the Chinese on tour bus going to them. These venues are usually located away from the main action and the cost is something like 1500 baht. A few years ago I took a friend to the North Pattaya Nua near the bus station for a sex show 1000 baht at that time. The show began with 4 gay guys who must of taken a load of Viagra naked with a single drum hung to their waist and their penis being use as sticks to make noise.

As noted, on Walking St. You might want to ask a barker who carries these sex show cards and ask them about the ping pong and within the area. On Walking street, the entry to Soi Diamond, where Moon Go Go is located the left side there is a small club can't remember the name stairs lead upstairs I see lots of Indian and small Chinese groups going up might be show upstairs.

Give, Sugarbaby, G-Spot, Dollhouse, Windmill, Electric Blue, might see something you like that might lead into a tour guy? Give Soi Honey (massage road) a try? Not sure of your taste? But if you take a show walk up and down in some of these Farang own BeerBars you might find a gem. I've been lucky a few times and got girls who look better / service than some Go-Go. Don't be afraid to try a massage place (not a soapy) but be careful of Ladyboys working unless that is your thing too. I've got a few winners on this Soi, that look as good face and body than some go-go's girls. While you are in the area I've never seen Indians refused entry, couple of my favorites are Paradise, Ninji, I've even taken a few freelancers at the Beerbar called Billabong on the L shape corner of LK Metro.

Really only noticed Billabong the other night while walking through LK with another ISG member. There are some ok girls there. I also liked one of the girls in the small bar beside Billabong. Going to spend more time there moving forward.

The odd gem can be found on Soi honey but you need to look very hard and ignore the many ladyboys on that street.

Another fun place to be is Papagayo club on Soi Diana which isn't mentioned here often. Nearby Cherry (I may be off on the name) bar has the odd decent girl as well.

I came across this bar by accident today and remembered a recent post here so I decided to give it a try. I was told by two guys sitting in front of the entry that I had to ring the bell to be let in which I did. The door was opened and I was greeted by a choir of about a dozen not really bad but far from good looking ladies. My eyes would have needed one minute to adapt to the dimmed light and two more minutes to find out which lady suited my taste best, but alas, I was not allowed those three minutes. 5 or 6 women came up to me one after the other immediately after I had entered the bar, and I had scarcely enough time to order my beer. After I politely asked for a moment to settle down and look around they left, each of the looking rather displeased. After 2 minutes the female bartender informed me that I had already spent 5 minutes in the bar without choosing a lady and whether I preferred lady boys. By now I had identified two girls standing out a bit from the crowd, one of them just OK and the other quite close to my taste (except for an ugly tattoo.). Unfortunately the latter was busy with another guest, and since I had the feeling that ladies don't remain occupied for ages in this bar I decided to wait instead of settling down with the second best. Bad idea! Even though I ordered another drink I soon felt pushed to chose some lady and the atmosphere turned a bit unpleasant, not really hostile but you can sense it when the staff starts talking disrespectfully about you in their own language. I waited another 5 or 10 minutes, and when the other customer ordered a new drink for his lady I decided to call an end to my first visit to la Poste. I understand that "drink and look guests" are not what the bar is looking for but sorry, I need my few moments before I choose, and when I want to wait I should be allowed to wait. After all my experience boils down to this: bar with a very pushy atmosphere where the staff prefers to see customers leaving than waiting for the preferred lady. Not recommended.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1921077]Are there any places with actual shows like that anymore since Xzone closed? I am not aware of any, even though you will see touts in the street trying to get you to go with them under the guise of seeing a ping pong show. I would say the closest you will come now is Windmill, which does not even compare to how Xzone was with the cue balls, darts, cigarettes, ice, etc.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the razor blades. I also remember a chick opening a bottle of Coke with her pussy. Another drained out the Coke into her pussy and re-emptied it into another bottle, but presto!! I t was plain water. The then the proceeded to empty the water into her pussy and then finally re-emptied it into the first Coke bottle as Coke! Fuck! I thought I was too drunk and must be hallucinating. But that is exactly what happened. Gosh!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1921333]Nearby Cherry (I may be off on the name) bar has the odd decent girl as well.[/QUOTE]Cherry Bar is a hidden gem indeed. I have taken a total stunner from Cherry during my trip in Feb. Her name was Tan.

[QUOTE=WorldTotter;1921003]Mongers,

I am from India and coming to Pattaya this weekend. Really interested to see ping pong show. Any clue of a place with minimum rip off will be helpful.

Any reference of nice girls contacts, places to monger etc well appreciated. PM is on!

Don't mind hiring a local Thai who act as a guide and help to score other women.

I promise to reciprocate if you ever come to Delhi in India or around.[/QUOTE]Hi friend,

How many days you are in Pattaya?

Try Fish bowl in North Pattaya, Second day you try a go go bar, sweet heart a go go in walking street will be a nice choice, Try massage parlor, if you are lucky the girl will meet you after her work. Beer parlor girls in Soi 7 another option. Try beach area for freelancers, once known as coconut bar is another option. If you are lucky you will get a gold fish. Day time try in Soi 6.

As the senior members said go retrospective on reports for information.

Keep away from pimps.

All the best.

FYI, Gentleman's Club, Carre Blanc has moved from 3rd Road and Soi 33. It's now next door to Club 4, on Soi Full Love Inn. It's open from 1p to 12a. Everything's the same, except for the evening beer promo. I got there very late last night, so the pickins were very slim. They're having a party this Monday, Aug 15 at 6p.

[QUOTE=WorldTotter;1921003]Mongers,

I am from India and coming to Pattaya this weekend. Really interested to see ping pong show. Any clue of a place with minimum rip off will be helpful.

Any reference of nice girls contacts, places to monger etc well appreciated. PM is on!

Don't mind hiring a local Thai who act as a guide and help to score other women.

I promise to reciprocate if you ever come to Delhi in India or around.[/QUOTE]Last thing you want to do is hire a Thai to guide you. Bad idea unless you like getting ripped off. Thais and Falangs travel in different circles. Everything you need to know are in these pages.

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;1921372]I came across this bar by accident today and remembered a recent post here so I decided to give it a try.Not recommended.[/QUOTE]I had a great time there a few weeks ago. Perhaps the girls are not the best looking, but they certainly were not too bad. The were exceedingly friendly and I took two of them and had a real porn star experience.

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;1921372]I came across this bar by accident today and remembered a recent post here so I decided to give it a try. I was told by two guys sitting in front of the entry that I had to ring the bell to be let in which I did. The door was opened and I was greeted by a choir of about a dozen not really bad but far from good looking ladies. My eyes would have needed one minute to adapt to the dimmed light and two more minutes to find out which lady suited my taste best, but alas, I was not allowed those three minutes. 5 or 6 women came up to me one after the other immediately after I had entered the bar, and I had scarcely enough time to order my beer. After I politely asked for a moment to settle down and look around they left, each of the looking rather displeased. After 2 minutes the female bartender informed me that I had already spent 5 minutes in the bar without choosing a lady and whether I preferred lady boys. By now I had identified two girls standing out a bit from the crowd, one of them just OK and the other quite close to my taste (except for an ugly tattoo.). Unfortunately the latter was busy with another guest, and since I had the feeling that ladies don't remain occupied for ages in this bar I decided to wait instead of settling down with the second best. Bad idea! Even though I ordered another drink I soon felt pushed to chose some lady and the atmosphere turned a bit unpleasant, not really hostile but you can sense it when the staff starts talking disrespectfully about you in their own language. I waited another 5 or 10 minutes, and when the other customer ordered a new drink for his lady I decided to call an end to my first visit to la Poste. I understand that "drink and look guests" are not what the bar is looking for but sorry, I need my few moments before I choose, and when I want to wait I should be allowed to wait. After all my experience boils down to this: bar with a very pushy atmosphere where the staff prefers to see customers leaving than waiting for the preferred lady. Not recommended.[/QUOTE]I made the same experience about six weeks ago. It was a terrible atmosphere. And like you said, very pushy and unfriendly.

I went to Kinnaree Place yesterday around 3 p, there were not as many ladies as usual. Went to Club 4, 007, Carre Blanc and Pirates afterwards. All had fewer ladies than usual. I also saw the same on Soi 6. Perhaps many ladies have gone home for Mother's Day celebrations.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1922428]I went to Kinnaree Place yesterday around 3 p, there were not as many ladies as usual. Went to Club 4, 007, Carre Blanc and Pirates afterwards. All had fewer ladies than usual. I also saw the same on Soi 6. Perhaps many ladies have gone home for Mother's Day celebrations.[/QUOTE]I agree! Very few girls and too much crowd yesterday! Let's see how it goes today. Saw ping pong finally for 200 THB. Never again in life. Yikes! One of the barker took me there and I was upfront that no more money. They came for tips, gave 50 and came back.

According to Yahoo News Pattaya, Phuket and Bangkok are among the 20 most visited cities on the Planet. I'm not surprised as the Chinese have literally invaded Pattaya in herds and droves these days despite the recent bombings and the Military coup. I've never seen Walking Street so crowded and its low season. I think there are more tourist buses and motor coaches here per capita than any other place in the world. They are clogging every street and Soi in the city.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/these-are-the-20-most-visited-1492319279325238/photo-19-pattaya-1471002852526.html

Guys,

So planning my third trip to Pattaya. Just wanted to check if there are any other locations to consider where quality and price are Decent. I think HK is a rip off in terms of price and Kuala Lumpur has poor quality.

I'm not that much into agogo girls though I have taken a few in the past. I have also taken a few street walkers from Beach Road but this time I would like to take a few freelancers. I would appreciate if anyone could share contact of freelancers.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JohnnyNeedsMor;1922549]Guys,

So planning my third trip to Pattaya. Just wanted to check if there are any other locations to consider where quality and price are Decent. I think HK is a rip off in terms of price and Kuala Lumpur has poor quality.[/QUOTE]The triumvirate as far as I am concerned is Bangkok, Manila, & Jakarta. I easily find the top quality girls I am looking for in these 3 major cities, but it does come at high price. If you are a budget hunter, I think you will find that prices vary widely from really cheap to very expensive girls depending on the venue and the girls you choose to see. There are always some very pretty diamonds waiting to be discovered in the less expensive bordellos and bars.

In the resort town category, there is Pattaya and AC. If you like Pattaya, you will like AC. I am not saying you will like AC more than Pat, that is an unknown - many guys like it more and many guys like it less; what I am saying is I think you will like it. Filipinas are known for their GFE and they speak English. Prices are slightly cheaper in AC as compared to Pattaya for similar quality. You should also give Subic (Barrio Barreto) a look see while you are visiting AC. The Subic nightlife scene is smaller than AC's nightlife, but the girls are super friendly and this is probably the cheapest destination you can find with reasonable accessibility in all of SE Asia. The good news is you can combine an AC / Subic excursion into one trip by spending 4 or 5 days in each town to see if you like it. I think you will.

Lastly Phnom Penh is another Asian city I think you might want to check out at least one time while you are visiting Thailand. Khmer girls are petite and very friendly and prices are generally way cheaper than in Pattaya.

Stay Thirsty,

NB

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1921139]No idea why you want to see a ping pong show but just walk along Walking Street and look for guys with cards in their hands who call you in for ping pong shows. [/QUOTE]I agree.

I don't even know what is meant by a "ping pong" show, and I have been in and out of Thailand for many many years. Is it ping pong ball drops out of pussy into a glass? Real boring that one. Try a sexy lesbian pussy licking show. That one can be a turn on. Weird stuff is not sexy at all.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922620]I agree.

I don't even know what is meant by a "ping pong" show, and I have been in and out of Thailand for many many years. Is it ping pong ball drops out of pussy into a glass? Real boring that one. Try a sexy lesbian pussy licking show. That one can be a turn on. Weird stuff is not sexy at all.[/QUOTE]There is really nothing to the show or act. The ping pong shows I've seen particularly years ago in Hawaii the girl was on a swing and put a few ping pongs in her pussy and shot them out in a cup, customer open their mouth etc. And use the strength of their pussy muscle to propel them out. The best I've seen was a girl who use hard boil eggs and had a customer stand up and open his mouth and shoot one in the laughter was more when she missed and pop off the guys face or head.

There are some interesting shows in Pattaya but as for ping pong? There is a place in Naklua, Soi 29/1 inside this Soi is a few sex show clubs. The one I was in a girl I knew worked in the placed call Club 69. There is another big club behind the Big see, in Central under construction called Big Eyes. I suggest you go to L. K. Metro across from Champage Go Go there is a booth you can buy cheaper tickets from them for the show for 800 baht otherwise at the door it is more like 2000 baht?

Some people like to go to beaches, some to Tiger Zoo, Elephant shows etc.. then some like sex shows?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1922620]I agree.

I don't even know what is meant by a "ping pong" show, and I have been in and out of Thailand for many many years. Is it ping pong ball drops out of pussy into a glass? Real boring that one. Try a sexy lesbian pussy licking show. That one can be a turn on. Weird stuff is not sexy at all.[/QUOTE]I rate also a lesbian pussy licking show as boring.

There is a gogo or two in NEP in BKK doing this and, as much as it can trigger you, once you see it, it is nothing special.

Fake or bored licking.

If I'm not in the middle of the hands on action it's boring. Even dumber than all of this is the stupid Japanese guys throwing 10's of thousands of baht or ping pong balls at girls they don't even know.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1922779]I rate also a lesbian pussy licking show as boring.

There is a gogo or two in NEP in BKK doing this and, as much as it can trigger you, once you see it, it is nothing special.

Fake or bored licking.[/QUOTE]Okay Boring for you. Originally used to be pretty arousing for me. Not so much after seeing a lesbian show 20 to 30 times perhaps. I would not watch a blow job in porn movies because dick is not exciting. However pussy licking is a much bigger turn on for me.

There are a few real bi-sexual girls working in bars. Plenty of these have been more than happy to do the lesbian shows. I have known more than one working girl, who had a "girlfriend" and liked having sex with girls. Bo at Suzi Wong (BKK) was known to have a Tom girlfriend but eventually ran off with a guy. Dtom claimed she was the best pussy licker in the place. Another girl same bar had a very obvious Tomboy look. I used to take two girls and get private lesbian shows included in the threesome that were pretty good for me. Bo used to tell which girls she had the hots for as well. Maybe not all are so fake. Nat, an ex-stunner from Crazy House was known to have a Tom Girlfriend but seemed to like fucking guys as well. Pheung at Annies is known to have a girlfriend, but seems to be able to enjoy herself with guys too.

Dear Seniors,

After much RTFF both Pattaya and Bangkok forums here is a short list of places which sounds interesting and would appreciate if the experienced could help me with good contacts / numbers of stunners or let me know if below list are good enough.

1) Rasputin.

2) Devils Den.

3) Honey 1&2.

4) Insomnia.

5) Tony's Bar.

6) Galaxy.

7) Airport.

Please add or suggest to the list with your recommendations.

My choices.

Want to try good threesome for LT.

Do massage girls also join for partying and fun later.

Where to pick up hotties for going to the beach or stay around for LT?

Is it easy to get someone from galaxy for St or LT or any western freelancers around Pattaya or Bangkok?

Asking too. Many questions as want to make it a perfect trip and share my experience with you all.

Thanks In advance.

PMactive*.

Will be in Pataya in early December and was wondering if there are any bars that have live sex show. I know it is not the Philippines (which I attended a few shows a number of years ago (pre ISG). Any info will be appreciated.

Thanks,

PG

Beach Road: this is where you will find your best deals 700 to 1000 short time. (some even as low as 500) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but most women are in their late 20's to early 30's. There are however some younger (18 and up) girls sprinkled in, there and also some real diamonds to be found on beach road as well. The girls start at the beginning of walking street and go all the way down to Soi 6 (maybe even further, I've never gone past that point). A few available during the day but mostly they start to gather around 7: pm and start leaving by 2: am. The best looking girls in my opinion stand from Mike mall down to walking street.

Soi 11/ Soi Honey MPs: the best in my opinion are the two at the corner of Soi 11 and Soi Buakhao. Again beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it fluctuates but these two always seem to have some hotties available. The MPs on this street will have girls available 24/7 it fluctuates but the two at the far end will often have a dozen or more girls available as late as 3,4,5,or 6 am, again it fluctuates but often have some super hotties available at that hour of the morning as well. Pricing is 1000 short time in house and 300 for takeout. I always take out. Some of the MPs here have decent rooms and decent beds but many just have a row of mats laying on the floor with curtains separating them. Have had an occasional Prima Donna ask for 1500 for herself.

Soi Diana and Soi 7 & 8 beer gardens: can find some decent talent in many of them, standard price is 1000 short time for the girl and between 300 to 400 bar fine. The beer gardens on Sois 7 & 8 all generally want 400 bar fine.

Soi 6: Always a fun time, here you will find some OK looking women and some really hot looking women. The talent in my opinion always seems to fluctuate. That is on one trip I find many hotties to be working at one or two particular bars and then on another trip it seems like different bars have what I consider to be the hotties. It is best to just walk up and down Soi 6 until you see the one you want and then go over to her bar. Bar fine is generally 300 to 350 in some bars and the girls all go for 1000 short time in house. You can also take the girls out for an increased price. I have always done the girls in house as I find the rooms to be decent, clean, AC and good beds.

Walking Street Freelancers: most stand in groups of two or more along the side of the street. You will know they are freelancers because most people on walking street are doing just that walking and these girls will be standing along the side of the street. Some nice looking girls here but in my opinion nothing better than you can find on beach road. Most will want 1500 short time.

Gogo bars: here you will find some OK looking girls to some really hot looking girls. Here you will also find some of the most expensive girls. It fluctuates depending upon the bar and in some depending upon the time of night. But generally plan on paying 1000 bar fine. The girls can be negotiated but generally plan on paying 2000 short time for the girl. Have had a few on LK metro want 2500 for short time. Again it can fluctuate but plan on paying around 3000 to get the girl out the door for short time and this does not include the drinks you buy for yourself and her.

Discos: Insomnia, 808, and Marine disco: In my opinion the best and hottest girls available in Pattaya are found in the discos. Again in my opinion the best is Insomnia, Here you will find some OK looking girls to some super super hotties. Short time prices can be anywhere from 1000 to as much as 5000. Price will depend upon two things how attractive the girl is and how attractive you are to the girl. The super hotties can be very stand offish and difficult to approach they will not send signals out to you (unless of course your Brad Pitt). I personally always go for what I consider to be the hottest girls in whatever venue I am in and the discos are no exception. I take a Kamikaze approach and put on my friendliest face give my best smile and my sweetest voice and approach the table of the super hottie and introduce myself and ask her name. They are almost always cold fish give the 1000 yard stare and not very enthusiastic. I smile pay them some complements ask a little about themselves pretend I am interested and within five to ten minutes of me approaching their table I ask them if they want to go with me. I have had about a 70% to 80% success rate getting what I consider to be the super hottie to go with me. Socially I'm more of a Potsy than a Fonzi and the ideal of spending the evening drinking at her table wondering if she will go with me at the end of the night is not very much fun for me. I would much rather cut right to the chase. I have been paying 2000 on average for short time on occasion in the past I have paid as much as 3000 for a super hottie that I just had to have and on occasion have been able to get a super hottie for 1000 (usually in the wee hours of the morning when the guy she really wanted went with someone else the number of likely customers is dwindling and figuring something is better than nothing she agrees). I have had many super hotties tell me if they really like a guy they will go for as little as 1000 and if they don't like the guy will ask for as much as 5000 and if hes willing to pay that then they will go with him. The discos don't really get going until midnight or 1: am and will go until the sun comes up. Many of the Soi 6 girls like to go to 808 disco after their bar closes at 1: am and can be picked up there for 1000 short time.

(A word or two about the super hot prima donnas with attitude at the discos. I have found that these unsociable prima donnas once in the bed room and in the bed enjoy a good stick man and a good hard pounding. If your a good stick man (practice makes perfect) these stuck up to good to talk to you in the disco girls always respond accordingly and once in the bed and the action starts these stuck on themselves prima donnas really like the services of a good stick man and really like getting a good hard pounding. I have found this to be the case overwhelmingly with the supper hotties with attitude in the discos of Pattaya and the world over).

After work Gogo girls: I have also had a lot of luck picking up walking street and LK metro gogo girls late at night after their bar closes. Wait at the end of walking street or LK metro after the gogos close and watch the stream of girls leaving. Many are quite friendly and easy to pick up because they want to make some money and many will do short time for 1000.

Long time is also available at almost every venue but at an increased rate.

Chris.

Great summary, Chris. Consistent with what I have been hearing but will add a couple more points.

Gogo girls. I have been quoted as much as 2000 barfine and 5000 ST for places like Glass House. Uncle V can clarify but the most ridiculous I have heard yet was at a pseudo gogo bar named Dolls on soi 6. 1500 barfine + 2500 for 1 hour just to go upstairs. 3x more than any other soi 6 bar.

Soi 6 LT. We have been quoted 2500 but like you say likely better off to hit iBar after they get off work at 1 am.

Kinnaree - 2000-2500 LT and no barfine when they get off work at 7 pm.

Good advice on picking up girls as their bars close on their way to their next stop. I have bumped into a few. I call them stragglers.

[QUOTE=GermanShepherd;1922998]

1) Rasputin.
2) Devils Den.
3) Honey 1&2.
4) Insomnia.
5) Tony's Bar.
6) Galaxy.
7) Airport.
[/QUOTE]Some interesting choices. I am guessing you are only selecting Rasputin and Galaxy ISO a Russian girl. Imo both are overpriced and not a place to go if you are familiar with top end Russian talent. I've seen one nice one at Rasputin in all my visits. She wanted 7000 baht for 90 minutes. Honey 1 and 2, Sabai Dee and Sabai Room are all better imo.

By Insomnia I assume you mean IBar as well.

Do you mean Airport gogo? If so, it's called Sexy Airline now and definitely not near the top of the gogo bar food chain. If you want to visit a gogo bar, visit Iron, Baccara, Happy, Sensations, Skyfall, Palace, Peppermint, and What's up. There is also LK Metro.

The main thing you are missing is Soi 6 with tons of bars where you can boom boom upstairs for a very low rate. See Chris' post just below. A walk down Beach Road one night around 9 pm to check out the freelancers should also be included in must do list for Pattaya.

All girls are available everywhere. I have been hit on while on a baht bus, while ordering food from a street vendor, while having dinner by one of the girls working in the restaurant, etc. No matter where you go a girl is eyeing your wallet.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1923149]Some interesting choices. I am guessing you are only selecting Rasputin and Galaxy ISO a Russian girl. Imo both are overpriced and not a place to go if you are familiar with top end Russian talent. I've seen one nice one at Rasputin in all my visits. She wanted 7000 baht for 90 minutes. Honey 1 and 2, Sabai Dee and Sabai Room are all better imo.[/QUOTE]There are Russian girls at soapies now? And they can make their own prices? It has been a long time since I have been to Rasputin, but last time it was all Thai chicks and Indian clientele.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1923251]There are Russian girls at soapies now? And they can make their own prices? It has been a long time since I have been to Rasputin, but last time it was all Thai chicks and Indian clientele.[/QUOTE]I'm not experienced at Rasputin since I feel their lineup is weak but there have been Russians there since at least Nov, 2015. 7k was the price quoted by the bookie. Maybe she mistook me for someone rich. They sit alone to the side not near the other girls. Still mainly Indian clientele at soapies.

Thank you guys for all your inputs.

Few more queries.

Is it safe to carry some pills or enhancement intakes, or its risky affair at airport?

Beach road hookers, are they safe and hygienic, as few suggested not to go for them because some might have threatening diseases while compared to safe play chicks at gogo bars.

Would love to have at least a Russian or Uzbek hottie as recommendations of getting one at the right price and good service.

Have heard a lot about Devils Den, and other soapies what's the best time to visit? Is it better to take DD chick for outcall or incall. Have seen the gallery are they really that beautiful or just photoshop.

Are Thai chicks into threesome and good action with each other?

Temptation and excitement is building up for coming to LOS.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1923276]I'm not experienced at Rasputin since I feel their lineup is weak but there have been Russians there since at least Nov, 2015. 7k was the price quoted by the bookie. Maybe she mistook me for someone rich. They sit alone to the side not near the other girls. Still mainly Indian clientele at soapies.[/QUOTE]To Banana Boi.

It supply and demand there are always some high roller Japanese or Chinese will overpaid for the Russians at Rasputin, I was there in may there are 2 tall hot Russian girl 7 k and the Thai girl is 3 kto 4 k,I saw a Indian guy counter offer 1 k for a Thai girl to the manager and got laugh at and told to leave to go some where else.

Fast Eddie 48.

Best time to visit the soapies is between 5-8 pm. After that there can be lots of guys.

Carrying drugs through borders is never smart but will leave that up to you. You can easily buy many drugs including fake Viagra for dirt cheap at one of the many pharmacies.

Thai girls in general are not into threesomes but you will find willing participants.

If you happen to find a hot Russian girl please take a pic and send it to me. .

[QUOTE=GermanShepherd;1923347]Is it safe to carry some pills or enhancement intakes, or its risky affair at airport?

Have heard a lot about Devils Den, and other soapies what's the best time to visit? Is it better to take DD chick for outcall or incall. Have seen the gallery are they really that beautiful or just photoshop.

Are Thai chicks into threesome and good action with each other?[/QUOTE]If the pills are of the normal prescription variety in the original pharma packaging and in personal use quantities you should be fine.

Devils Den ladies are as pictured on the website. Some are glamour shots but little real photoshopping. I have found it is better to do a double incall first, and if there is chemistry book one solo to your room on a later day. Nothing wrong with a first time outcall though as they are all pretty skilled.

I believe DD opens at 1 pm you can always go in early, confirm who is available that day, and schedule something either in / out for later. They will ask you have any specific instructions (don't be shy) and if you want the girls in costume. They will ask for a deposit just give them 1,000 baht pay the rest later.

The DD ladies work well together but IMO if you want the best shot at [I]passionate[/I] girl / girl specifically mention it, then pick a lady and say her choice to pick her partner.

SL.

Was there in Patts recently and visited almost all the soapies during various time slots throughout the few days I was there but did not manage to come across any Russian girls in the soapies. Though in Rasputin there were Thai girls in white badges and was quoted 3800 B the regular red and blue go for 2 k and 2.5 k respectively.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1923276]I'm not experienced at Rasputin since I feel their lineup is weak but there have been Russians there since at least Nov, 2015. 7k was the price quoted by the bookie. Maybe she mistook me for someone rich. They sit alone to the side not near the other girls. Still mainly Indian clientele at soapies.[/QUOTE]

DD girls are very experienced and give you great service. Incall or outcall both available and you can try any. They have great clean rooms inside so worth a try. The girls are similar to the pics you see on their website. Select your girl thru the reviews available on their website and call in to check if she is available or busy and then walk in. The manager is a good guy and you must tell him your preferences.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1923476]If the pills are of the normal prescription variety in the original pharma packaging and in personal use quantities you should be fine.

Devils Den ladies are as pictured on the website. Some are glamour shots but little real photoshopping. I have found it is better to do a double incall first, and if there is chemistry book one solo to your room on a later day. Nothing wrong with a first time outcall though as they are all pretty skilled.

I believe DD opens at 1 pm you can always go in early, confirm who is available that day, and schedule something either in / out for later. They will ask you have any specific instructions (don't be shy) and if you want the girls in costume. They will ask for a deposit just give them 1,000 baht pay the rest later.

The DD ladies work well together but IMO if you want the best shot at [I]passionate[/I] girl / girl specifically mention it, then pick a lady and say her choice to pick her partner.

SL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1923476]If the pills are of the normal prescription variety in the original pharma packaging and in personal use quantities you should be fine.

Devils Den ladies are as pictured on the website. Some are glamour shots but little real photoshopping. I have found it is better to do a double incall first, and if there is chemistry book one solo to your room on a later day. Nothing wrong with a first time outcall though as they are all pretty skilled.

I believe DD opens at 1 pm you can always go in early, confirm who is available that day, and schedule something either in / out for later. They will ask you have any specific instructions (don't be shy) and if you want the girls in costume. They will ask for a deposit just give them 1,000 baht pay the rest later.

The DD ladies work well together but IMO if you want the best shot at [I]passionate[/I] girl / girl specifically mention it, then pick a lady and say her choice to pick her partner.

SL.[/QUOTE]Generally you will find ladies as per picture not like escorts were most of time lady will be different.

Was eyeing on a very hot chick Angie on DD website for a very long time. Lately saw Her pic is taken off from the site.

Are there many more choices apart from web gallery? Where has the cute Angie disappeared?

Thanks a ton guys for all your inputs.

Few days left to arrive LOSP (land of smiling pussies).

With so many choices and places to cover up think the time will be too little to explore all, but then too will try to make to best and update you all.

Cheers Fellas. Pattaya here I come.

I think Natty has hit the nail pretty much on the head. Top quality girls are in Bangkok, Jakarta, then Manila last in my opinion. Manila has really gone downhill in terms of places to go to so I don't see as many top quality girls. Havana Cafe sucks. Leaves you really with Burgos street. Angeles City can turn out some good girls like the top shelf girls in some of the better gogos or at High Society Disco. I have had more top quality girls there than Manila and the vast number of girls over Manila gives you more opportunities. Just got back from Pattaya (after AC and Manila), and gorgeous girls can be found at the top Gogo bars and some gems are to be found at Insomnia and I-Bar (just below Insomnia). I have been to many cities all over Asia. Phnom Penh does have some nice girls but the quality of the girls is a notch down over the rest. The Khmer girls can be very GFE, friendly, and well priced so its worth a visit. Of course, keep in mind AC, Pattaya, and Phnom Penh are so much less expensive than Bangkok, Jakarta or Manila for our hobby.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1922589]The triumvirate as far as I am concerned is Bangkok, Manila, & Jakarta. I easily find the top quality girls I am looking for in these 3 major cities, but it does come at high price. If you are a budget hunter, I think you will find that prices vary widely from really cheap to very expensive girls depending on the venue and the girls you choose to see. There are always some very pretty diamonds waiting to be discovered in the less expensive bordellos and bars.

In the resort town category, there is Pattaya and AC. If you like Pattaya, you will like AC. I am not saying you will like AC more than Pat, that is an unknown - many guys like it more and many guys like it less; what I am saying is I think you will like it. Filipinas are known for their GFE and they speak English. Prices are slightly cheaper in AC as compared to Pattaya for similar quality. You should also give Subic (Barrio Barreto) a look see while you are visiting AC. The Subic nightlife scene is smaller than AC's nightlife, but the girls are super friendly and this is probably the cheapest destination you can find with reasonable accessibility in all of SE Asia. The good news is you can combine an AC / Subic excursion into one trip by spending 4 or 5 days in each town to see if you like it. I think you will.

Lastly Phnom Penh is another Asian city I think you might want to check out at least one time while you are visiting Thailand. Khmer girls are petite and very friendly and prices are generally way cheaper than in Pattaya.

Stay Thirsty,

NB[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the price report and layout of the venues. I would agree with your pricing although I have never paid more than 3 k for the hottest girls in Insomnia and that was Long Time, so I am not sure how you state the range there is up to 5 k baht short time. Otherwise, pricing spot on.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1923018]Beach Road: this is where you will find your best deals 700 to 1000 short time. (some even as low as 500) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but most women are in their late 20's to early 30's. There are however some younger (18 and up) girls sprinkled in, there and also some real diamonds to be found on beach road as well. The girls start at the beginning of walking street and go all the way down to Soi 6 (maybe even further, I've never gone past that point). A few available during the day but mostly they start to gather around 7: pm and start leaving by 2: am. The best looking girls in my opinion stand from Mike mall down to walking street.

Soi 11/ Soi Honey MPs: the best in my opinion are the two at the corner of Soi 11 and Soi Buakhao. Again beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it fluctuates but these two always seem to have some hotties available. The MPs on this street will have girls available 24/7 it fluctuates but the two at the far end will often have a dozen or more girls available as late as 3,4,5,or 6 am, again it fluctuates but often have some super hotties available at that hour of the morning as well. Pricing is 1000 short time in house and 300 for takeout. I always take out. Some of the MPs here have decent rooms and decent beds but many just have a row of mats laying on the floor with curtains separating them. Have had an occasional Prima Donna ask for 1500 for herself.

Soi Diana and Soi 7 & 8 beer gardens: can find some decent talent in many of them, standard price is 1000 short time for the girl and between 300 to 400 bar fine. The beer gardens on Sois 7 & 8 all generally want 400 bar fine.

Soi 6: Always a fun time, here you will find some OK looking women and some really hot looking women. The talent in my opinion always seems to fluctuate. That is on one trip I find many hotties to be working at one or two particular bars and then on another trip it seems like different bars have what I consider to be the hotties. It is best to just walk up and down Soi 6 until you see the one you want and then go over to her bar. Bar fine is generally 300 to 350 in some bars and the girls all go for 1000 short time in house. You can also take the girls out for an increased price. I have always done the girls in house as I find the rooms to be decent, clean, AC and good beds.

Walking Street Freelancers: most stand in groups of two or more along the side of the street. You will know they are freelancers because most people on walking street are doing just that walking and these girls will be standing along the side of the street. Some nice looking girls here but in my opinion nothing better than you can find on beach road. Most will want 1500 short time.

Gogo bars: here you will find some OK looking girls to some really hot looking girls. Here you will also find some of the most expensive girls. It fluctuates depending upon the bar and in some depending upon the time of night. But generally plan on paying 1000 bar fine. The girls can be negotiated but generally plan on paying 2000 short time for the girl. Have had a few on LK metro want 2500 for short time. Again it can fluctuate but plan on paying around 3000 to get the girl out the door for short time and this does not include the drinks you buy for yourself and her.

Discos: Insomnia, 808, and Marine disco: In my opinion the best and hottest girls available in Pattaya are found in the discos. Again in my opinion the best is Insomnia, Here you will find some OK looking girls to some super super hotties. Short time prices can be anywhere from 1000 to as much as 5000. Price will depend upon two things how attractive the girl is and how attractive you are to the girl. The super hotties can be very stand offish and difficult to approach they will not send signals out to you (unless of course your Brad Pitt). I personally always go for what I consider to be the hottest girls in whatever venue I am in and the discos are no exception. I take a Kamikaze approach and put on my friendliest face give my best smile and my sweetest voice and approach the table of the super hottie and introduce myself and ask her name. They are almost always cold fish give the 1000 yard stare and not very enthusiastic. I smile pay them some complements ask a little about themselves pretend I am interested and within five to ten minutes of me approaching their table I ask them if they want to go with me. I have had about a 70% to 80% success rate getting what I consider to be the super hottie to go with me. Socially I'm more of a Potsy than a Fonzi and the ideal of spending the evening drinking at her table wondering if she will go with me at the end of the night is not very much fun for me. I would much rather cut right to the chase. I have been paying 2000 on average for short time on occasion in the past I have paid as much as 3000 for a super hottie that I just had to have and on occasion have been able to get a super hottie for 1000 (usually in the wee hours of the morning when the guy she really wanted went with someone else the number of likely customers is dwindling and figuring something is better than nothing she agrees). I have had many super hotties tell me if they really like a guy they will go for as little as 1000 and if they don't like the guy will ask for as much as 5000 and if hes willing to pay that then they will go with him. The discos don't really get going until midnight or 1: am and will go until the sun comes up. Many of the Soi 6 girls like to go to 808 disco after their bar closes at 1: am and can be picked up there for 1000 short time.

(A word or two about the super hot prima donnas with attitude at the discos. I have found that these unsociable prima donnas once in the bed room and in the bed enjoy a good stick man and a good hard pounding. If your a good stick man (practice makes perfect) these stuck up to good to talk to you in the disco girls always respond accordingly and once in the bed and the action starts these stuck on themselves prima donnas really like the services of a good stick man and really like getting a good hard pounding. I have found this to be the case overwhelmingly with the supper hotties with attitude in the discos of Pattaya and the world over).

After work Gogo girls: I have also had a lot of luck picking up walking street and LK metro gogo girls late at night after their bar closes. Wait at the end of walking street or LK metro after the gogos close and watch the stream of girls leaving. Many are quite friendly and easy to pick up because they want to make some money and many will do short time for 1000.

Long time is also available at almost every venue but at an increased rate.

Chris.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1923967]Thanks for the price report and layout of the venues. I would agree with your pricing although I have never paid more than 3 k for the hottest girls in Insomnia and that was Long Time, so I am not sure how you state the range there is up to 5 k baht short time. Otherwise, pricing spot on.[/QUOTE]I agree a stellar write up by CL w / a lot of great info on where, how much and quality levels. He is a top pro monger.

As for the 5000 b pricing I think he is spot on because if the good looking women will try for for 3000 be than the super fine will try for higher and probably get it.

His LK Metro strategy after the bars close is simple and invaluable.

I appreciate the in depth information he put forth here. Very straight forward and concise.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1923967]Thanks for the price report and layout of the venues. I would agree with your pricing although I have never paid more than 3 k for the hottest girls in Insomnia and that was Long Time, so I am not sure how you state the range there is up to 5 k baht short time. Otherwise, pricing spot on.[/QUOTE]I agree. The 5 K baht for LT or 3000 for ST makes no sense. Unless Chris is sooooo looonnggg that the girl thinks she could be out of comission for a whole week after him. And so needs to be compensated accordingly. Kinda of the opposite effect of Mr. ENT? 😜.

[QUOTE=GermanShepherd;1923347]Is it safe to carry some pills or enhancement intakes, or its risky affair at airport?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1923476]If the pills are of the normal prescription variety in the original pharma packaging and in personal use quantities you should be fine.[/QUOTE]You better check the Thai customs website at [URL]http://en.customs.go.th/content.php?ini_content=customs_offences&lang=en&left_menu=menu_customs_offences[/URL] as it is a bit more complicated than just "carry a prescription". Some medication can be prohibited or restricted even with a prescription (e.g. those containing narcotic substances). In case of doubt check with the local Thai Embassy or Consulate.

[QUOTE=GermanShepherd;1923347]Beach road hookers, are they safe and hygienic, as few suggested not to go for them because some might have threatening diseases while compared to safe play chicks at gogo bars.[/QUOTE]Thai girls are generally clean and hygienic and it doesn't matter if they ply their trade at Beach Road or in an expensive agogo club. Never assume that girls in gogo bars are "safe play". Practicing safe sex is always your better option wherever you pick up your girl.

[QUOTE=GermanShepherd;1923347]Would love to have at least a Russian or Uzbek hottie as recommendations of getting one at the right price and good service..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it seems "Russian / Uzbek", "right price" and "good service" is a matter of "choose two out of three only". Most reports indicate that these ladies are either high price and / or bad service (if any service at all).

[QUOTE=GermanShepherd;1923347]Are Thai chicks into threesome and good action with each other?[/QUOTE]Generally no, although some establishments have made it into their speciality, such as Eden Club in Bangkok.

I went to their party this past Monday evening. They had a decent crowd, more ladies present than my previous visit. They also had a nice buffet that evening. They ladies are much the same as they were at the previous location: they're a little older, but look decent for their age. Here's the new deal with Carre Blanc: 1st LD, and she drops her panties. 2nd LD and bra comes off. 3rd LD and they get nekked. LD is 130bht, IIRC. Like the old place, as soon as you walk in, whoever is on queue latches on to you.

I settled in at the bar, got my 1's beer. Bought my 1st LD, and got some food. Pat, my favorite Carre Blanc girl became available, and I got her a LD too. Pretty soon, a 3rd lady joined in She earned a LD after she started licking my nipple. The LD were flying, clothes were coming off, (theirs and mine.) Then they switched to tequila shots. I had Pat sitting at the bar facing me, spread eagled, Occasionally, the 3rd lady would lick Pat's puss, (apparently they're close.).

At one point I had 1 lady on each nipple and the third one taking care of junior. Each lady took turns servicing Junior. This they did on their own, no prompting from me. So, yes I was sexually assaulted. :D Plenty of witnesses to this too, and none came to my aid. Yeah, I'll be going back for more. BTW, Pat was the best one with junior.

It all came to a crashing end, when the many Tequila shots took their toll. 2nd lady bailed to the toilet. Pat got hammered. Only the 3rd lady was OK.

Warning: Then the cashier REALLY tried to REAM me. During my previous trips I've visited Carre Blanc, and never had a problem with the bar tab. This time they overcharged me 470bht. :mad: It was brought to their attention and corrected. In spite of that, I'll be returning to Carre Blanc. I need to play with Pat some more.

This place is out in the middle of Fa-King nowhere. And I thought The Telephone bar was far. It's a converted Spanish colonial mansion. Its almost Due east of Underwater World Pattaya. In the outskirts of Jomtiem, if not in it. I got there around 6p. This is mainly an expat bar. However, when I got there, there were two other young farange drinking. They musta been staying nearby. They quickly left after I got there. There were about 9 ladies present, late twenties and up. Decent bodies for their age, IMHO.

LD is 120Bht. My beer was 65bht, IIRC. The bar is well stocked. The place also has a Jacuzzi available and a pool table.

What lured me here, was a post in a competing forum that mentioned a very petite lady working here. Nok4, (there are 4 Nok's working here,) is 4.5 ft or 1.37 meters tall, and 34 yrs old. Not a midget, just very short, proportioned to her height. Luckily, she was there. I thought she was cute. Her roommate, Nok 3 was also cute and slightly younger, with big tits. (I may return to get to know her better.).

I took Nok4 to ST room, on the premises (350Bht for the hour,) her contribution was 1000Bht. The room had hot water and AC. About the 30-40 min mark she started worrying about the time limit. I told her we had plenty of time and I'd pay extra of we went over the time. We did the usual calisthenics. It was fun playing with such a little woman, but nothing spectacular. I got her contact info, as she was interested in coming to my hotel. BTW, Rioja opens at 11a or 12p, and closes at 9p, but most of the ladies were gone by 8p.

Motocy charged me 60Bht starting from Tukcom area. They had to call a motocy for my return trip, he wanted 100Bht to go to another club near by: Camel Toe. (Review to follow.)
The Motocy didn't know about Rioja nor Camel Toe. I had to show them the location on Google map

Google "Rioja Pattaya" for location info.

This is another bar that's far out, but not in the middle of nowhere. It's on Soi 17, south of Third Road. Same Soi that Montana Bar is on, (If you're familiar with that Bar,) but here its called Soi KhoPai 10. Google search "Camel Toe Pattaya. " The second search results has pics of the ladies uniform. However, most were wearing normal street clothes, not a camel toe in sight. Not what the search result showed. I was disappointed. Also none of the ladies on that website were present.

It's behind a gate. I thought it was closed when I arrived at 8:15p, (they close at 9p.) It's bigger on the inside than how it looks from the outside. There was a decent crowd in the place. Since I had just partaken at Rioja, I was not looking for a second round. My beer was 80Bht, LD was 130Bht or 120Bht. Like many of the Gentlemen's bars, the ladies are late twenties and up, no stunners unfortunately. But that can always change. They don't have on premise rooms, one has to walk 2 min to nearby room I was told. I don't remember the cost for the room, maybe 300Bht, but ladies time was 1000Bht. Not sure if a return visit is warranted. Pic purloined from the net.

Thank you so much for the G club reviews, Java. Also to inform me of a new club I never heard of, Camel Toe. Out of Rioja, Care Blanc, and Camel Toe, which had the better girls?

Hopefully prettier than La Poste. If you've been to Club 007, Pirates. Excite, M Club, Kinnaree, how does the talent compare?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1924048]Thank you so much for the G club reviews, Java. Also to inform me of a new club I never heard of, Camel Toe. Out of Rioja, Care Blanc, and Camel Toe, which had the better girls? Hopefully prettier than La Poste. If you've been to Club 007, Pirates. Excite, M Club, Kinnaree, how does the talent compare?[/QUOTE]IMHO, Rioja ladies slightly better looking than Camel Toe and Carre Blanc. Kinnaree probably has the best line up. I also like the lineup at 007, Club 4, Excite and the new Fairy club. I have not visited M Club on this trip. M Club has a new lineup based on their Facebook page. I have yet to visit Montana club and Le Poste aka Telephone Bar 2 as well as the original Telephone Bar. Caveat: Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder.

Is it possible? I just checked out a Pattaya Walking Street webcam ([URL]http://www.pattayastreetcams.com/walking-street-1/[/URL]) at around 3:45 AM Pattaya time and I see that the street is quite lively still. I thought things died down after 2 AM. Just looking at the webcam I can see there are plenty of nice looking girls at that time of the night. I'm getting the urge to head down to Pattaya, even though I usually avoid the place.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1924258]Is it possible? I just checked out a Pattaya Walking Street webcam ([URL]http://www.pattayastreetcams.com/walking-street-1/[/URL]) at around 3:45 AM Pattaya time and I see that the street is quite lively still. I thought things died down after 2 AM. [/QUOTE]A lot of places close and the street opens back up for traffic at 3 or 3:30. That is why it looks lively. It is like when a movie or sporting event lets out. Nobody is standing around. They are either grabbing something to eat from a food cart, walking to the next club that is open (iBar or Flexx) or going home.

Awesome stuff. It's 5:15 there right now and I still see a ton of girls walking by that I would not hesitate to pick up. I think I might add Pattaya to my itinerary in February.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1924272]A lot of places close and the street opens back up for traffic at 3 or 3:30. That is why it looks lively. It is like when a movie or sporting event lets out. Nobody is standing around. They are either grabbing something to eat from a food cart, walking to the next club that is open (iBar or Flexx) or going home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1924279]Awesome stuff. It's 5:15 there right now and I still see a ton of girls walking by that I would not hesitate to pick up. I think I might add Pattaya to my itinerary in February.[/QUOTE]You can find decent ones at Insomnia past 6 am! And then if you are desperate there may be stragglers even after 7 am.

What time is iBar / Insomnia close? I didn't know it was still open at 6 or 7 am.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1924723]What time is iBar / Insomnia close? I didn't know it was still open at 6 or 7 am.[/QUOTE]7 am. And many sit and eat at their Restaurant below (NY diner) before they leave. It will be early morning sunrise and water view from the Restaurant at that time!

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1922472]According to Yahoo News Pattaya, Phuket and Bangkok are among the 20 most visited cities on the Planet. I'm not surprised as the Chinese have literally invaded Pattaya in herds and droves these days despite the recent bombings and the Military coup. I've never seen Walking Street so crowded and its low season. I think there are more tourist buses and motor coaches here per capita than any other place in the world. They are clogging every street and Soi in the city.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/these-are-the-20-most-visited-1492319279325238/photo-19-pattaya-1471002852526.html[/QUOTE]I am planning to take a Chinese tour of Thailand which will pass through Pattaya so I will be among those masses of tourists.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1923018]Soi 11/ Soi Honey MPs: the best in my opinion are the two at the corner of Soi 11 and Soi Buakhao. Again beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it fluctuates but these two always seem to have some hotties available. The MPs on this street will have girls available 24/7 it fluctuates but the two at the far end will often have a dozen or more girls available as late as 3,4,5,or 6 am, again it fluctuates but often have some super hotties available at that hour of the morning as well. Pricing is 1000 short time in house and 300 for takeout. I always take out. Some of the MPs here have decent rooms and decent beds but many just have a row of mats laying on the floor with curtains separating them. Have had an occasional Prima Donna ask for 1500 for herself.
Chris.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the wide-ranging report, Chris.

If it's 11 am and someone wants to get laid in Pattaya, what is there to do? Turning to your report, I went to a Soi Honey Massage Parlor. I'd never been there before, but I confirm the best girls are in the first two from Soi Buakhao. The first one is called Paradise Massage, and that's where I went. I picked a girl named Niko. Slightly taller than average but still short enough for my taste, skin relatively light, a bright smile, small but firm tits, pretty thin, and a great attitude. She asked 200 for massage and 1000 for extras up to and including full service. I paid her 1200 plus 100 baht tip because she was really good.

We started by pretending she would give me a proper massage with me lying face down on the bed, but it quickly degenerated into her teasing my scrotum and my perineum. When she kissed my neck it sent shivers down my spine. After the flip, I got a competent hand job and an excellent BBBJ. She could have made me come right there and then, and she knew it, but she wanted the full-service price, so she put a condom on.

She did a cowgirl and tried the old trick of making me come fast by jumping up and down my pole like the energizer bunny, but I took control of the situation and flipped her through a few positions, which she seemed to enjoy. As I was getting to the doggystyle, she stuck a finger up my arse and that was it I just shot my load. Not my longest performance, but sometimes short sessions don't leave you with a lasting afterglow. This one was so satisfying at every stage that it did.

I may take my "lunch break" in that area more often in the future.

Only downside is, as Chris said, the rooms are shitty. In the future I'll do some research into short-time hotels. On Walking Street I always use Oasis on Soi Happy because it's classy, but I'll have to find another address near Soi Happy / Soi LK Metro. Can't be that difficult.

Las Vegas 3 on Soi 13/1 is closed. This gogo was a Naughty afternoon place, with the ladies going pantyless. Much fun was had there. At the start of the Soi is Las Vegas 2. I had hoped the naughty ladies from 3 had relocated here, but alas it was not meant to be. I got me a 110 Bht SML, and parked near the AC. There were 6 ladies present. The one that latched on to me was way over the expiration date and was pantyless, (of course.) There was a nekkid dancer on stage as well. None of the 6 dancers appealed to me. However, there was one Dude who was having the time of his life: he was muff diving one lady, finished with her and started on another. :eek: I half way drank my SML and got the hell out of there.

Next stop was The Telephone Bar, one of my favorite places in Pattaya. I had visited on my previous trips. Surprise! Totally new Lineup. All my favorites were gone. Even the bartender and cashier were new.

SML are 110 Bht, LD is 150 Bht. They don't wear panties here. Buy a LD, and the tube dress comes off. There were 9 ladies present and me.

They were a little standoffish as I had passed on the lady that was on queue. That all changed when I bought a LD for the gal on my right. This chick is no waif. She was firm and a hard body. Not your Typical Thai bar girl. I had only intended to check out the Telephone Bar before I entered the place, and wasn't in a BF mood upon my reception. :( But Big and Sexy started to change my mind.

As I had done before on previous trips, I bought another Lady a LD, and kept her til she finished it, and then picked another Lady, while also keeping Big and Sexy at my side with her hands down my shorts. :)

Finally it was time to go to the ST room. Big and Sexy did NOT disappoint. She gave as good as she got. She's as kinky and twisted as Me. No holes barred, rimming, FaceFukin, DT, total PSE. She could take a pounding too. This chick like to Fucgk! Oh My Buddha!! She was, dare I say it: Brazilian Like! :D

I've seen her again, and it was just as good the Second time.

The Telephone bar is not for everyone. I hear the usual complaints, that the ladies there are not the youngest, nor prettiest. That the bar is Dark for a reason. But I've had some great times there. The Telephone Bar is to me, what Las Vegas 2 is to that Muff Diving MoFo. BTW, Big and Sexy is 37 yrs old, maybe 140 Lbs. But Man, we clicked and she got Mad Skills. To be repeated.
Telephone Bar opens at 9a and closes at 10p. Go to it's Sister bar, Le Poste on Soi Lengkee. They have a flyer for the Telephone bar with map and a coupon for a first free drink.

Passion is located in Jomtien, at the end of a Soi way off the main road, Thappraya Rd. It's on the same Soi as Pacific Jomtiem Hotel, (Google map it.) It's in a walled in compound. There were 11 ladies present when I visited. It opens at 1p, but it's best to get there about 2:30p, when all the ladies have arrived. Thursday is bikini day. (They have small pool.) Friday and Sunday they have a free BBQ. Saturday is Lingerie Day, but the Ladies are still covered up too much. LD drinks are 125Bht, (it's a small cocktail.) BF is 400Bht, which is paid before to the lady prior to going to the room. The ladies fee is 1000Bht. The bar is well stocked, SML was 110Bht. There were some doable ladies present. It's a mixed bunch, with young and old, but no 19yr old. Some could work at Kinnaree. Reason I went: an ex-M Club, Ex-Excite Club babe now works there. They close at 9 p so as not to disturb the upscale residential neighborhood its in. They'll have to call or you'll have to call a moto taxi to come get you, (100Bht fare.) It's sorta a PIA, to get there and back.

[URL]http://passionpattaya.com/[/URL]

I did not see the ladies on the website.

[URL]https://web.facebook.com/passionpattaya/?_rdr[/URL]

Their Facebook page got them in trouble with the Boys in Brown not too long ago. Which resulted in a temporary closure. All the offensive post have been removed.

Java man, agree. Telephone bar is one of my favourites as well. Last trip I ended making a daily visit to both TB and DD. Only issue is explaining it to the Moto taxi guys as it is a bit away from usual places of action. I am planning to visit back patta early Sep and telephone bar top of list.

There were some questions in the Pattaya Hotel section on the Jomtien scene, especially the Jomtien Complex. The Jomtien Complex is a collection of gay bars, if that is not your thing, it is not worth a visit. Otherwise there is a single run down gogo bar across the VT7 building with very little talent. Also there are some beer bars along Thappraya Rd. With mostly older girls. You can also find beer bars at the Rompho market, and there is also a gogo there, but there, again talent is limited. I often have the feeling that these bars function as "retirement homes" for girls who have seen better days. Action can be had at the massage places in Jomtien Soi 6 and there you can find the occasional gem in the rough!

All in all Jomtien is a pretty laid back place with a good vibe, little action and nice beach by Pattaya standards and some of the best restaurants in town. I do prefer staying in one of the big condo buildings like VT2, VT5 or VT7, especially if I am in town for longer periods of time, as it is a nice option giving you more of the feeling of a beach holiday with WS 10 minutes away by baht bus.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1924030]This place is out in the middle of Fa-King nowhere. And I thought The Telephone bar was far. It's a converted Spanish colonial mansion. Its almost Due east of Underwater World Pattaya. In the outskirts of Jomtiem, if not in it. I got there around 6p. This is mainly an expat bar. However, when I got there, there were two other young farange drinking. They musta been staying nearby. They quickly left after I got there. There were about 9 ladies present, late twenties and up. Decent bodies for their age, IMHO.

LD is 120Bht. My beer was 65bht, IIRC. The bar is well stocked. The place also has a Jacuzzi available and a pool table.

What lured me here, was a post in a competing forum that mentioned a very petite lady working here. Nok4, (there are 4 Nok's working here,) is 4.5 ft or 1.37 meters tall, and 34 yrs old. Not a midget, just very short, proportioned to her height. Luckily, she was there. I thought she was cute. Her roommate, Nok 3 was also cute and slightly younger, with big tits. (I may return to get to know her better.).

I took Nok4 to ST room, on the premises (350Bht for the hour,) her contribution was 1000Bht. The room had hot water and AC. About the 30-40 min mark she started worrying about the time limit. I told her we had plenty of time and I'd pay extra of we went over the time. We did the usual calisthenics. It was fun playing with such a little woman, but nothing spectacular. I got her contact info, as she was interested in coming to my hotel. BTW, Rioja opens at 11a or 12p, and closes at 9p, but most of the ladies were gone by 8p.

Motocy charged me 60Bht starting from Tukcom area. They had to call a motocy for my return trip, he wanted 100Bht to go to another club near by: Camel Toe. (Review to follow.)
The Motocy didn't know about Rioja nor Camel Toe. I had to show them the location on Google map

Google "Rioja Pattaya" for location info.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I love spinners. Hopefully she will be there when I return. By the way, it is southwest of Underwater World.

Hit 9 gogo clubs on Walking Street last night between 8:30 pm to 1:30 am. In order of best lineup, only the first 2 were amazing.

Baccara.
Sensations.

Sapphire.
Glass House
Happy (has been poor 3 visits in past week).
Infinity
Electric Blue
Peppermint.

Iron. In a class a crap all on its own. Who wants to see a man pretending to be a ladyboy swing on the rings?

Clubs were visited in this order: Happy, Baccara, Sensations, Peppermint, Infinity, Iron, Electric Blue, Glass House, Sapphire. This is important since a club may have a large number of girls barfined at midnight.

We ordered the same drinks in every club. The cheapest was Happy at 190. the most expensive was Iron at 325.

Visited Kinnaree again. Vastly improved from last month when I found the lineup to be very subpar for their standards. About 4-5 new girls started this week. Also, little Goi has returned. The old girls are griping there are way too many girls now, which there are for such a small place. Not many guys and no room wait. Ladydrinks are reasonable. 6 tequilas for 550 or 125 each. Definitely worth visiting again soon.

Don't think most guys on here go to The Pier on Walking Street, located beside the Russian gogo club, Galaxy. I am making this post since The Pier has recently added hostess girls to their staff. There are about 8 of them 2 of which stood out to me. It's 200 per ladydrink. The one I spoke with is an ex gogo girl. Not sure if there is any barfine or the cost to take a girl home sinced I was already with 4 girls.

Hi everyone,

I just joined the forum. I have been reading up on the Pattaya scene for a few days, and found some great information and advice. I have been to Pattaya over 25 times over the last 10 years. Was there in May this year and hoping to go over in late November, as well.

I was a regular at Whats Up, Peppermint, Hot Tuna, Iron Club etc but moved to the beer bars at Jomtien on my last visit. Met a cute lady and had a great time.

I have been alone on all my visits, and would like to know if I could meet up with someone on my next visit in November?

I've been to Pattaya twice before, in February of this year and last. Only did a little walking around so far, but so few people around compared to the high season. I'll be interested to see how walking street is this time of year. I'm going to try to be more fiscally responsible and keep away from the top of the line agogos. It would be great if prices come down a bit during low season but I'm not expecting it. That being said there is one girl I remember from Sensations I want to see and will take her out if she's still working.

I'll give The Pier a look tonight, as per recommendation from previous poster.

I think it's fine to carry that kind of pills if it is a medical prescription, carry the prescription with you, to show in case if they ask, I carried some prescribed medicine, not an issue, about Russian girls beware dude, they will force you to buy lady drink, I don't think it's good idea to visit Russian bars, unless you are super rich.

[QUOTE=GermanShepherd;1923347]Thank you guys for all your inputs.

Few more queries.

Is it safe to carry some pills or enhancement intakes, or its risky affair at airport?

Beach road hookers, are they safe and hygienic, as few suggested not to go for them because some might have threatening diseases while compared to safe play chicks at gogo bars.

Would love to have at least a Russian or Uzbek hottie as recommendations of getting one at the right price and good service.

Have heard a lot about Devils Den, and other soapies what's the best time to visit? Is it better to take DD chick for outcall or incall. Have seen the gallery are they really that beautiful or just photoshop.

Are Thai chicks into threesome and good action with each other?

Temptation and excitement is building up for coming to LOS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ManOfMystery;1927071]I'll give The Pier a look tonight, as per recommendation from previous poster.[/QUOTE]I wasn't recommending. I was just posting new information that hasn't been posted before, which is what I try to do. Was just pointing it out. I wouldn't be going to The Pier without a girl.

Something else to look forward to is the new Midnight Pattaya disco being built above Blue Sky III (across from Sensations). Says opening 2016/2017.

also don't believe anyone has mentioned the renos at Sapphire. imo they are a huge improvement. Makes the club feel much roomier.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1927183].... I wouldn't be going to The Pier without a girl.

.[/QUOTE] C'mon.! Stop being such a pussy! You mean you wouldn't be going to The Pier without at least 4 girls in tow!

Or, did you forget about that. So soon? 😜.

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1927180] I don't think it's good idea to visit Russian bars, unless you are super rich.[/QUOTE]Or Banana Boi! He is truly amazing! I think we need to name his entourage The Banana Babes!

What do all you mongers do during the day?

I've been to Pattaya twice and loved the experience. However, my only complaint is, what can I do during the day?

I only need 6 hours of sleep. I go to bed around 1 am and wake up at 7 am year-round. That creates a problem in Pattaya because their is nothing to do after breakfast.

I've hung out in a Starbucks, done the boat tours, and even tried my hand at shopping. I basically have a six hour time gap which desperately needs filled. Massage parlors can fill one hour, what about the rest of the time?

Expert mongers, help me out!

Side note, I'll be returning in Jan-Feb if anybody wants to meet up for a beer.

At Banana Boi, you're correct, it was a poor choice of wording on my part to say you recommended The Pier.

I ended up not going in there, I actually had forgotten about the place until later in the night and by then I was caught up in other things. Started last night at Windmill. Large crowd, lots of girls, but low on talent. I wished for one moment that I could have taken a photo. They had two naked girls, one sitting down, the other on her hands and knees in doggystyle position in front of her. The doggystyle girl was holding her head in her hands with a look of absolute boredom, meanwhile some guy was fondling her tit with absolute joy. Funny image. Popped into wildcats, I usually go for the free shot with a beer. Only one girl caught my eye, and if my target wasn't at Sensations, then I would have considered coming back for her. Next was Electric Blue. Nothing too special, I remembered better looking girls when I　was there in February. Then it was Sensations to see if the girl I hoped to see was still working there. I didn't get to bar fine her on my last trip. The night I had met her, the guy that she said was the owner popped in, he grabbed a group of the girls to join him and she was among the group and she said she couldn't leave. So last night, I go in and grab a seat. As I am scanning the stage, I hear someone calling my name and sure enough it was her. It was a pleasant surprise to hear that she not only remembered me even though we never banged, but she remembered my name. After her stage time was up, she came over and we shared a couple drinks before heading to the hotel. Her body was as great as I imagined and she was as wet as could be. Great first evening back in Pattaya. This afternoon I took up with a little 19 yr old on Soi 6. Besides stepping out for dinner, not sure what I will be up to for tonight.

Best bet is to find a hotel with a nice pool and enjoy it!

[QUOTE=Adrena;1927333]What do all you mongers do during the day?

I've been to Pattaya twice and loved the experience. However, my only complaint is, what can I do during the day?

I only need 6 hours of sleep. I go to bed around 1 am and wake up at 7 am year-round. That creates a problem in Pattaya because their is nothing to do after breakfast.

I've hung out in a Starbucks, done the boat tours, and even tried my hand at shopping. I basically have a six hour time gap which desperately needs filled. Massage parlors can fill one hour, what about the rest of the time?

Expert mongers, help me out!

Side note, I'll be returning in Jan-Feb if anybody wants to meet up for a beer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adrena;1927333]What do all you mongers do during the day?

I've been to Pattaya twice and loved the experience. However, my only complaint is, what can I do during the day?

I only need 6 hours of sleep. I go to bed around 1 am and wake up at 7 am year-round. That creates a problem in Pattaya because their is nothing to do after breakfast.

I've hung out in a Starbucks, done the boat tours, and even tried my hand at shopping. I basically have a six hour time gap which desperately needs filled. Massage parlors can fill one hour, what about the rest of the time?

Expert mongers, help me out!

Side note, I'll be returning in Jan-Feb if anybody wants to meet up for a beer.[/QUOTE]Interesting question. A simple solution could be to adjust your body clock. Go to sleep by 5 am or later and wake up after noon. The way you will be able to maximize the potential Pattaya has to offer. Here is how in 10 easy steps:

1. Assume you wake up by noon and shit shower shave. Catch a bite if you are hungry, but keep it light.

2. Get to Soi 6 by 2 pm and you will have several options to pick from. I usually hang out for at least 2-3 hours there which covers a couple of drinks and good ST session. I also end up having a bit of late lunch.

3. By 5-6 pm I head back to my hotel and catch a nap for an hour or two.

4. By 8 pm latest I am on the street again, usually looking to get a massage. Sometimes a clean one sometimes a bit more than just a massage. This usually puts me in the 10 pm zone.

5. I get back to hotel and start evaluating my options for the night ahead. Online social media picks, the countless beer bars in Pattaya with loads of cuties, WS disco, GoGo bars, etc.

6. No matter where I pick from, I make sure it is a LT. The whole exercise of method selection, date identification, negotiation and closure takes roughly 2-3 hours. YMMV.

7. With my date for the night I head to one of the 4 or 5 discos (Insomnia, Pier, Marine, 808, Mixx. Insomnia is my favorite) and party for a couple of hours.

8. Back in the hotel by 4 am or thereabouts. Usually get a bit to eat on the way back. The street food is delicious. Once in the room bang the daylights out of the girl, It is usually dawn by the time I am finished.

9. Cuddle up and sleep. Wake up by noon, get the morning wood serviced and let her go with a nice "tip".

10. Repeat from Point #1.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1927333]What do all you mongers do during the day?[/QUOTE]Devils Den is your best daytime activity opens at 1 pm. Otherwise:

I will go for a nice walk after breakfast before it gets too hot. Usually the entire Beach Road crescent walkway down and back. Go back to the room, shower and surf the net. Go for a massage, grab some lunch, shopping / run errands / exchange money. Then spend some time at the hotel pool (mandatory my hotel has a pool) until about 5 pm. A nap before I start the evening, organize my thoughts, and I am good to go.

If you are frisky check the BR scene for some potential afternoon delight. Or take the baht bus over to Jomtien for a change of scenery. If it is rainy or uber hot you can always take in a movie.

Did I mention Devils Den? 555.

SL.

Thanks to Blanquiceleste and the others who shared a few ideas.

I've tried adjusting my body clock. It seems I don't stay in country long enough for it to happen. I already live in the same time zone as Pattaya, so it makes flipping my times more difficult. If I was flying from Canada, it'd be much easier. I'd just sleep from 1 pm to 7 pm.

Blanquiceleste, your average day sounds pretty much like mine. The only exceptions are number seven and the beginning of number one.

I absolutely hate packed night clubs. Loud music and crowds of people always ruin my night.

Your second number is spot on. I love Soi 6! Truthfully, my first trip, I went there once and didn't stop at a single bar. I simply didn't understand the street's dynamic.

My biggest problem is really from 8 am To 12 pm Everything is closed at that time. After 12, I can be one of those early bird customers at Hooters or Soi 6. Another poster mentioned pools. I think I'll stay at a hotel with one next time; good idea.

I posted a few reports about 100 pages ago. I'll add to them later today.

I checked the map for Kinnaree Club and seems to be middle of nowhere.

Can you get there by taking the baht bus?

Or is it only by mototaxi.

I usually stay around the LK Metro / Soi Bukhow area so how are the various ways to get there.

Also if need to take mototaxi, then what's the going rate and will they know location if I told them Kinnaree?

Thanks.

Many drivers won't know Kinnaree. Since I know the location I just tell them Pratumnak Hill and Soi 5. On soi 5 at the alley to Kinnaree there is a little Kinnaree sign on a pole. Kinnaree is closer to soi 5 than soi 4. Look for all the motorbikes out front.

From LK Metro I'm guessing motorbike will cost 60-80 baht, taxi 200-250. The return trip is more defined for taxi. Walk to soi 4, and head down towards the 7-11. You will see an Orange sign for Nordic. There is a taxi stand there 200 baht to Central Festival. I assume LK Metro will be the same price range.

Hey fellow mongers,

Pattaya has always greeted me with a warm smile. Would be visiting soon again in the first week of October! Anybody want to join me for a beer do let me know.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1927674]My biggest problem is really from 8 am To 12 pm Everything is closed at that time. [/QUOTE]You could spend this time in your hotel swimming pool (if have) or take a boat and go to Koh Larn, I have some friends love it. If you are a sportman can go to the gym or running.

Or you could go in some nice breakfast buffet and spend time there drink and eat LOL.

[QUOTE=Freezone;1927680]Can you get there by taking the baht bus?[/QUOTE]Not sure because I always rent a motorbike and drive around, but I think have a baht bus go up and down Pratamnak Road, but probably you have to stop in the corner with pratamnak road and soi 4 or 5 and then walk down to Kinnaree.

Visited upstairs at Windmill tonight. Downstairs is jammed with the same not so great ladies. Upstairs there were 3-4 decent girls, especially for Windmill. One really nice one was being barfined as we arrived. BF is 1000 baht + 2000 2 hour ST. If you have no hotel, they have rooms upstairs. Thoroughly enjoyed our stay. I had written off Windmill but this has renewed my faith that you can have a super dirty club with decent girls.

Visited Super Girl. Always see some cuties sitting eating so it's been on my TDL for some time. Place was rocking. Many uglies but definitely a few I will return for. Don't expect high end Baccara girls here but the girls are decent enough for sure. I may have found a new hangout. Good vibe.

Both of the above are definitely worth a visit if you're doing the WS gogo clubs.

I wrote a post about 170 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out.

This is for complete beginners, so older members might think my observations are childish, because older members have been doing it for so long.

I won't give play by plays of my experiences unless it helps solidify my points. As always, older members are always welcome to chime in with their observations.

I was 31 years old when I first went in 2015. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasize that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king".

I lurked on this board for about six months before my first trip and back-read reports for over 100 pages. I strongly suggest each monger do the same before they visit Pattaya. (but I know most of you won't).

Here are my tips that you should absolutely follow:

1. You should be able to quote price ranges for any service within each part of town at any given time of the day / week / year. You'll learn these prices from reading the last 100 pages of this forum. Don't be lazy, just do it! If you can't name at least three Soi 6 bars, or the average price of a FL on BR at 6 am, then you haven't read enough.

2. You should understand this is not your country or culture! People here act differently; don't expect them to change for you simply because you are unable to change for them. (which leads to my next tip).

3. Keep your eyes open. When you enter any place, hotels, restaurants, go-go's, it doesn't matter, look around and pay attention to what other people are doing. If you see a monger groping a girl and the girl is laughing, you are allowed to do the same. If you see mongers sitting on their hands, you better do the same until you see otherwise. Also, keep in mind that some people can do things others cannot. Indians get treated differently than Japanese, that's just the way it is. Know where you fit in. You'll have plenty of fun regardless of your background.

4. Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them.

5. Have a game plan before you leave your hotel each morning. You don't have to plan every minute but at least know what part of town you want to visit. Thailand is hot, you don't want to be standing in the sun trying to decide where to go.

6. Don't try to do everything in one day. I know it's your holiday but don't go overboard. I tried to visit LK, Soi 6, WS, and go shopping all on my first day. It lead to me feeling hurried and stressed. I spent more time walking than I did enjoying my holiday. I realized that aiming for two destinations a day is a lot better. Soi 6 in the afternoon then WS at night worked beautifully for me. You can mix and match destinations.

7. Learn to love the baht buses. I walked everywhere the first two days; it was awful! I was staying near WS and I walked to Soi 6 and back several times. It was a big mistake. I eventually hopped on a baht bus, and everything was a lot easier after that revelation.

8. Lower your standards for what you need in a hotel. Like tip 2 suggests, don't expect things to be like back home. Do you really need to stay at a 5-star hotel? If the same answer is yes, go ahead and waste your money. You should make a list of the things you absolutely need in a hotel. My list was short: bed, toilet, near WS. I found a hotel with average ratings which was cheap. Turns out the hotel was freaking great! It was worth way more than the cost. My next trip, I'll be staying close to Soi 6.

9. Don't be shy! This is a rookie mistake I made. I tried being a gentleman and it made my trip less enjoyable. If you want a girl, go for it! Approach her, talk with her.

10. Just because you aren't shy doesn't mean you have a pass to be rude. Be the man with a smile, not the man with fist. If something frustrates you, remember this is your holiday. Let it go!

11. Relax! You will be overwhelmed your first time in Pattaya. You will get a flood of weird emotions. When that happens, find a relaxing place to reset and reassess your reasons for the visit. You read all these reports of men who land 11 girls in 6 days and you feel the need to do the same. The pressure can be bigger than you realized. Don't try to be that guy on your first trip. Be the guy laughing happily, not the dehydrated one looking to refill fluids. If you see a girl who gets you going, have fun! If you are tired from the previous girl, don't feel like you have to get another just to keep up with studs on this board. They've been here several times. They've been training for the marathon. You're still just a sprinter. Some of the guys in this forum are freaks of nature. Even with pills, I can't keep up with their numbers.

12. Try eating at different places for each meal. This one is a little more personal, but I feel the need to say it since I love experiencing new things. Don't go to the same place over and over. Also, be wary of seafood if it's been sitting outside all day.

IllusionHeart added these:

13. If you like a girl at a bar or gogo then barfine her or close the deal for ST or LT whichever you may like. Chances are that she will probably not be there if you come back for her after hopping few more places. There are tons of beautiful girls to meet everyone's taste and the search for the perfect one sometimes proves endless or tiresome. Hence as they say, "a bird in hand is better than 2 in the Bush. " Spend time enjoying the company of a girl rather then searching for the most beautiful girl around.

14. Girls are available around the clock in Pattaya. Do research for places if you have morning or day time preferences and you can roll 24 x 7 if you have the urge and stamina.

15. Do some reading on Ladyboys especially if you are not into them on how to identify and avoid as you can get a surprise in your room if haven't asked them before about their gender.

And the forum previously added this advice.

16. Know your drinking limit. If you get angry after seven beers, stop drinking at six. Your holiday will be quickly ruined if you make a drunken mistake. You don't want to start a fight in Thailand, and you don't want to be passed out drunk in the streets.

17. Know when to let stuff go. If the sign says "80 baht beer" but they charge me 90, I'll just let it go. 10 baht isn't worth fighting for. I once saw a monger angrily yell at two bartenders in the early afternoon because he was given a San Miguel Light instead of a regular San Miguel. I couldn't believe it! Don't be that guy. 1000 baht might be worth a disagreement, but 10 baht isn't.

18. Don't immediately get defensive when a girl quotes you a high price. If a BR FL asks for 1500, don't automatically think she trying to scam you out of your money. She's just trying to get what she can; don't take it as a personal offense because she didn't open with 800 or less. It is okay to negotiate, but it isn't okay to believe she hates you because that's what she asked for. Some guys take bargaining personal, please don't.

19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. If you're new, you'll have the time of your life!

As always, older members are encouraged to add to this list. Your advice is more helpful than you may realize. I'll continue to add to this list and post an updated one in six months or so.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1928089]I wrote a post about 170 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out.

This is for complete beginners, so older members might think my observations are childish, because older members have been doing it for so long.

I won't give play by plays of my experiences unless it helps solidify my points. As always, older members are always welcome to chime in with their observations.

I was 31 years old when I first went in 2015. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasize that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king".

I lurked on this board for about six months before my first trip and back-read reports for over 100 pages. I strongly suggest each monger do the same before they visit Pattaya. (but I know most of you won't).

Here are my tips that you should absolutely follow:
"................

4. Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them.

"............[/QUOTE]Really great stuff Andrena!

I agree with just about everything you noted. I think your advice is spot on. Except for the daily budget.

IMO, 1500 baht / night will get you decent digs, 1000 baht / day (including an occasional meal one with your girl) for food and incidentals is enough (unless you want a high end restaurant with wine etc), and 2,500/ day for drinks and a girl (ST or LT) is also a decent number. So, 5,000 baht will also be just fine. Although, those of us who can and wish to spend more can and will surely do so for each of the above sub categories.

Now, as for me, IF I find a girl I like a lot then I may have her stay with me for 3 days straight, and eat out, relax, go shopping ( buy her stuff) , do touristy things with her etc....but that is the exception. And even with the best GFE experience, I enforce a 3 day max rule.

For those planning to stay for 2 weeks or more your average daily budget could be less, and if you rent your place for a month long visit, it will be even cheaper. And I doubt you will incur all of those expenses every single night, because you will want some relax and recuperation days! I usually need 1 after every 3 days, since I stay for many weeks and don't feel the urgency to pack it all in every single night.

Also, I don't much care for Soi 6 and instead substitute that with a massage girl in my apt for an oil massage. . but not all days. And, I don't care much for gogos and prefer primarily the disco/dance clubs, particularly Insomnia. So, keep that in mind too.

Finally, I suggest dress hip / cool, act hip, show energy vs lethargy, and come across as a fun guy. Girls (particularly the younger ones) don't want just a boring guy. And more so, if like me, you stick with the under (say) 28.

But, someone visiting for 5 or less nights, that person may end up spending more because of the restricted time factor and very little time for iterative learning that allows for optimization of your budget vs. Your likes and preferences.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1928106]I agree with just about everything you noted. I think your advice is spot on. Except for the daily budget.

IMO, 1500 baht / night will get you decent digs, 1000 baht / day (including an occasional meal one with your girl) for food and incidentals is enough (unless you want a high end restaurant with wine etc), and 2,500/ day for drinks and a girl (ST or LT) is also a decent number. So, 5,000 baht will also be just fine. Although, those of us who can and wish to spend more can and will surely do us for each of the above sub categories.

For those planning to stay for 2 weeks or more your average daily budget could be less, and if you rent your place for a month long visit. It will be even cheaper. And I doubt you will incur all of those expenses every single night, because you will want relax and recuperation days!.[/QUOTE]LOL, I knew the daily budget would get some responses. I put 6,000 because new guys are going to waste at least 1,000 a day on stupid stuff their first time: shirts, sunglasses, hats, losing bar games, or other traps the veterans avoid. Besides, if they end up with some extra money at the end of their trip, they'll be happier than if they didn't bring enough in the beginning.

20. Maintain a high energy attitude! Dress hip / cool, act hip, show energy vs lethargy, and come across as a fun guy. Girls (particularly the younger ones) don't want just a boring guy. And more so, if like me, you stick with the under (say) 28.

I'll make sure to add that to the next list.

Budget can vary widely.

You can stay at a cheap place for 750 baht or a decent place like Baraquda for 3000 baht.

You can eat street vendor food for you and your girl for 750 baht or go to restaurants at Central Festival for lunch and dinner that will set you back around 3000 baht.

Transportation can be baht buses all day for 100 baht on the high end or the rip off Pattaya taxi system for 1000 baht depending on where you go for the day / night.

Drinks can vary widely and depends on how many lady drinks you buy. Let's say you conservatively drink 5 beers per day and buy 5 lady drinks. That will be 850 baht. Obviously going to high end discos will run way more. See below.

Odds and ends you buy at 7-11 and Family Mart will be 200-300 per day.

Now the important stuff, going out with ladies.

A budget day. Soi 6 in the early evening will be 300 BF + 1000 sex. Picking up a girl on Beach Road for 700-1000 or at iBar for 2000-3000 LT.

A more expensive day. Soi 6 in the late afternoon, 300 BF + 1000 sex. Hitting 2-3 gogo bars. Taking out a WS gogo girl 1000-2000 BF + 3000-5000 LT. Going to a club like Hollywood 2200 bottle of whisky and 10 mixers + an extra 500+ for ice and snacks.

Add shopping with your girl too.... even buying cheap clothing, shoes, hats on WS can add another 500 baht for the night. I took one shopping at Central Festival once. I left her in the middle of the shopping trip.

As you can see depending on how you roll things add up. On the low end, 5000-6000 seems right. On the high end which happens way too often since I'm after top optics, can be triple that.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1928106]. And I doubt you will incur all of those expenses every single night, because you will want some relax and recuperation days!.[/QUOTE]

I wish I could take a day off. Not in my DNA.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1928110]LOL, I knew the daily budget would get some responses. I put 6,000 because new guys are going to waste at least 1,000 a day on stupid stuff their first time: shirts, sunglasses, hats, losing bar games, or other traps the veterans avoid.[/QUOTE]I think 6000 is a great budget point. I am not a new guy but I think it does make sense to spend money on the things you are calling stupid stuff. I have been doing it since my first time in Thailand 11 years ago and continue doing it to this day. I will walk into Tukcom and see an external hard drive that I need for 2000 baht, or a vendor on the street selling the toy of the year for 100 baht that I must buy for my nephews, or go by my leatherworker and get some shoes or a wallet made. To me a trip to Thailand is not just about bars and fucking.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1928164]I think 6000 is a great budget point. I am not a new guy but I think it does make sense to spend money on the things you are calling stupid stuff. I have been doing it since my first time in Thailand 11 years ago and continue doing it to this day. I will walk into Tukcom and see an external hard drive that I need for 2000 baht, or a vendor on the street selling the toy of the year for 100 baht that I must buy for my nephews, or go by my leatherworker and get some shoes or a wallet made. To me a trip to Thailand is not just about bars and fucking.[/QUOTE]Maybe "stupid stuff" was a poor choice of words. How can it be stupid if it makes you happy? I think a better phrase would be, "random unexpected costs" such as pills, clothes, souvenirs, condoms, 7-11 water, foot massages, ping-pong balls, lady drinks, ringing a rusted old bell, or seeing a movie. Those aren't usually added to a new bro budget. They only see hotel, food, alcohol, and sex. 6,000 just seems like the perfect first time number to me. One day, you might spend 3,000 but the next is 9,000. Pattaya is a wild place. I'm looking forward to my next visit!

I wish we could sticky the list to the top of the first page. I think it'd answer a lot of questions people have when they first find this site.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1928144]You can eat street vendor food for you and your girl for 750 baht or go to restaurants at Central Festival for lunch and dinner that will set you back around 3000 baht.[/QUOTE]750 baht of street vendor food will feed an entire Thai family, grandparents, nephews, nieces, uncles and aunts included.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1928164]I thin


.... To me a trip to Thailand is not just about bars and fucking.[/QUOTE]1. Absolutely! Not for me either. And not just Thailand. I will be headed to Puerto Plata soon for about 4 weeks. And same there!

I really enjoy the international (vs. the Enter....national) experience! I enjoy being with people of different cultures. Happy people. Even though they don't have a lot of moola.

2. As for shopping etc. , I did not include that in the budget. I spent a couple of hundred $ for a couple of high quality watches replicas / fakes and other gifts. But nothing for myself. So, since they were all gifts I did not include those in the budget. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1928233]750 baht of street vendor food will feed an entire Thai family, grandparents, nephews, nieces, uncles and aunts included.[/QUOTE]Haha. So true. But I never eat that stuff. Only cause I am leery of falling sick due to lack of immunity to local viruses.

I will be staying again adjacent to Central Festival for 5 weeks in Jan / Feb and as usual I love the variety and the ambiance (people watching) at the Central Festival Food Court. And, the grocery store there is really, really good. And they deliver for free if you buy a min of 1,500 baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1928144]

I wish I could take a day off. Not in my DNA.[/QUOTE]You are one sorry MFker dude. I totally envy you! 👍👻😀🖖

BTW, why did you leave the girl at Central Festival when you went shopping? I assume you are German?

[QUOTE=Adrena;1928089]I wrote a post about 170 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out.
[/QUOTE]Thank you for your post! I agree to almost all of your points.

You are right, that you don't need a 5-star-hotel in Pattaya. In fact, you don't need that anywhere in the world. But if you prefer 5-star-hotels. Like I do. And if you can afford the rate, there is no need to change that in Pattaya. The Hilton and the Intercontinental are both very good and both are absolutely girls-friendly. If you have a status in their loyalty program: The status recognition are good at both.

Yes, you don't have to look good for the professional girls, but it helps you with the semi-professional ones and amateurs, which you can also find in Pattaya. They are usually higher educated, which is not a pro for ST or normal LT. But I stay in Thailand quite frequently and sometimes I appreciate a good conversation before, between or after the sex. And: There are not many countries in the world where it is more true to say 'clothes makes the man' than Thailand. Even if 99,99% of the tourists in Pattaya don't care about that. If you are not (too) drunken, handsome, well-dressed and have the wherewithal, you can do almost everything in Thailand.

Tip number 20 should be: Never ever fall in love with a professional or non-professional girl. For me it is unbelievable how many Thai girls have 3, 5 or more different foreign friends at the same time who support "her girl" with money every month and every one of these guys thinks, that he is her only friend.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1928089]I was 31 years old when I first went in 2015. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasize that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king".
.[/QUOTE]Buddy of mine is just like you, same age, same body type. He has all the girls flocking to him and only buys a girl one ladydrink and they'll stay with him for hours. What's the difference? He speaks fluent Thai with their local dialect (like a southerner here's another southerner talking). He also lives in Thailand and gets all of his girls for free. His Line chat has over 900 girls on it, he'd turn it off while we were talking and I'd ask him to check an hour later and he'd have 50 chats from a ton of girls.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1928089]5. Have a game plan before you leave your hotel each morning. You don't have to plan every minute but at least know what part of town you want to visit. Thailand is hot, you don't want to be standing in the sun trying to decide where to go..[/QUOTE]I disagree on this point. You have to be fluid in your approach, you never know what might spark your interest. I would make a list of what you'd like to do and keep it handy to make sure the trip doesn't end before you can cross everything off your list.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1928089]7. Learn to love the baht buses. I walked everywhere the first two days; it was awful! I was staying near WS and I walked to Soi 6 and back several times. It was a big mistake. I eventually hopped on a baht bus, and everything was a lot easier after that revelation..[/QUOTE]Baht buses work well unless you have to walk for more than 4 minutes to catch one and then walk another 4 minutes after jumping off to reach your destination. Better option is to pay up for a motobike taxi nearby and save the extra time walking in the heat.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1928089].8. Lower your standards for what you need in a hotel. Like tip 2 suggests, don't expect things to be like back home. Do you really need to stay at a 5-star hotel? If the same answer is yes, go ahead and waste your money. You should make a list of the things you absolutely need in a hotel. My list was short: bed, toilet, near WS. I found a hotel with average ratings which was cheap. Turns out the hotel was freaking great! It was worth way more than the cost. My next trip, I'll be staying close to Soi 6.[/QUOTE]Highly disagree on your hotel choice. Location is key. Taking a WS or LK metro girl all the way down to a hotel near soi 6 is extreme. I look for hotels where the baht bus from beach road can easily take me back, where the hotel is close enough to second road to catch baht buses heading towards soi 6, a hotel within a quick walk to WS and also convienient to LK metro. Also a hotel where a WS gogo girl might not be too put off walking to the hotel vs trying to get you to use a short time room. Also close enough to the beach road girls if you spot something.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1928532]Buddy of mine is just like you, same age, same body type. He has all the girls flocking to him and only buys a girl one ladydrink and they'll stay with him for hours. What's the difference? He speaks fluent Thai with their local dialect (like a southerner here's another southerner talking). He also lives in Thailand and gets all of his girls for free. His Line chat has over 900 girls on it, he'd turn it off while we were talking and I'd ask him to check an hour later and he'd have 50 chats from a ton of girls.

I disagree on this point. You have to be fluid in your approach, you never know what might spark your interest. I would make a list of what you'd like to do and keep it handy to make sure the trip doesn't end before you can cross everything off your list..[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure you agreed with me, except you elaborated your way into making it look disagreeable.

Your first point, "he speaks fluent Thai with their local dialect (like a southerner here's another southerner talking). He also lives in Thailand.".

Your buddy is playing a different game than most of us. Chess versus Checkers.

"I disagree on this point. You have to be fluid in your approach, you never know what might spark your interest. I would make a list of what you'd like to do and keep it handy to make sure the trip doesn't end before you can cross everything off your list. "

When you wake up in the morning, do you look at that list and say, "what will I do today?

You pretty much agreed with my point. I' wrote to not plan every minute, but have an idea of what you want to do. Maybe next list, I'll be more descriptive?

"Better option is to pay up for a motorbike taxi nearby and save the extra time walking in the heat".

I definitely disagree with that answer. I hate motor taxis. I know many others do as well. I haven't met anyone who hates baht buses. At most, they are indifferent towards them. Baht buses are cheaper, and easier for a first timer to accept. When they've visited SEA a few times, maybe they'll feel comfortable enough to hope on a motor taxi. They may be easier if the new bro lives far away from the action, or has a specific destination in mind, but most of the time baht buses are more flexible for a wandering first timer.

"Highly disagree on your hotel choice. Location is key."

How do you disagree when you basically go on to completely agree with what I said? I wrote, "You should make a list of the things you absolutely need in a hotel. ".

Location is something you absolutely need. Others may prefer a hotel far away from the action. That is why I left the point a little vague. Personally, I don't need a pool. I just need fast WiFi and very close to the action. That's why I prefer hotels on WS or the Queen Victoria Inn on Soi 6. I'm just wild like that. Others may want to stay in Jomtien or way out on the Dark Side.

I appreciate your insight. If a stranger were to land in Pattaya tomorrow, what advice would you give him? I sure you could throw in some extra points which can be added to the next list.

[QUOTE=DecrepitInsane;1926983]Hi everyone,

I just joined the forum. I have been reading up on the Pattaya scene for a few days, and found some great information and advice. I have been to Pattaya over 25 times over the last 10 years. Was there in May this year and hoping to go over in late November, as well.

I was a regular at Whats Up, Peppermint, Hot Tuna, Iron Club etc but moved to the beer bars at Jomtien on my last visit. Met a cute lady and had a great time.

I have been alone on all my visits, and would like to know if I could meet up with someone on my next visit in November?[/QUOTE]I was there was last May and am now making plans to be there again in November. Like you, I have been alone, except for some time I spent in BKK with my Thai lady friend, but think it is past time to meet some others. Dang, I missed out on several guys last time that I regret.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1928532]Buddy of mine is just like you, same age, same body type. He has all the girls flocking to him and only buys a girl one ladydrink and they'll stay with him for hours. What's the difference? He speaks fluent Thai with their local dialect (like a southerner here's another southerner talking). He also lives in Thailand and gets all of his girls for free. His Line chat has over 900 girls on it, he'd turn it off while we were talking and I'd ask him to check an hour later and he'd have 50 chats from a ton of girls.
[/QUOTE]I doubt many guys on ISG fall into the Brad Pitt category. In fact, I don't see many guys looking like Brad Pitt hobbying in Pattaya! Absolutely agree about learning Thai. I'm slowly learning my Thai as I live out here longer. Girls seriously love when I converse in Thai with them. They are even more shocked when I respond to their Thai conversation, even if I respond in English.[QUOTE=Haven123;1928239]Central Festival Food Court. And, the grocery store there is really, really good. And they deliver for free if you buy a min of 1,500 baht.[/QUOTE]

Good to know. Didn't know the grocery store had free delivery.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1928233]750 baht of street vendor food will feed an entire Thai family, grandparents, nephews, nieces, uncles and aunts included.[/QUOTE]

You're correct that number is likely on the high side. I did my numbers up very quickly. However, I seem to find the girls who are the biggest eaters in Thailand!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1928243]why did you leave the girl at Central Festival when you went shopping? [/QUOTE]

After buying her some small stuff totalling 1500 baht, then spending around 1000 baht on a shirt and a pair of shorts at H&M, she moved on to Victoria Secret perfume at 3800 baht, then to look at jewellery. I don't care how pretty a girl is and this one was definitely pretty, I'll let a rich Japanese guy buy her this stuff.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1928582]I doubt many guys on ISG fall into the Brad Pitt category. In fact, I don't see many guys looking like Brad Pitt hobbying in Pattaya! [/QUOTE]Why is this guy's name always brought up? I have met a lot of guys off ISG and so far everyone is just an average ordinary guy, the same as Brad Pitt was before everyone saw him in Thelma and Louise back in 1991. But come to think of it, why does Tomjackin remind me so much of George Clooney?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1928582]

After buying her some small stuff totalling 1500 baht, then spending around 1000 baht on a shirt and a pair of shorts at H&M, she moved on to Victoria Secret perfume at 3800 baht, then to look at jewellery. I don't care how pretty a girl is and this one was definitely pretty, I'll let a rich Japanese guy buy her this stuff.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. I really was laughing out loud for some time as I read this!

Yeah, I took one out there as well and bought her stuff to wear for about 2000 baht. And then she was pointing to the jewelry store (probably half in jest) and I laughed out loud and pulled her by the arm, and said, yeah, please buy ME a ring!

And she said OK. 100 Baht. ! True story!

Sometimes one needs to have a good comeback. Like in the past when telemarketers called me in the US, I would say hang on, I have an even better deal and try to pretend sell them a fictional product. They would hang up. Or just laugh and say OK thanks!

Hello friends,

I required your help to decide the dates to go Pattaya.

I am planning a trip to Pattaya from Delhi (17 - 22 September) alone. Is it OK to go Pattaya in September. How about the prices of mongering there and hotels. Till now I have not booked Flight tickets & hotel. I am planning to book Penthouse Hotel.

Please give your valuable suggestion.

Best regards,

Kush

I should be there from 19th Nov onward, but still not got final details from my travel agent. When are you planning on hitting the scene?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1928577]I was there was last May and am now making plans to be there again in November. Like you, I have been alone, except for some time I spent in BKK with my Thai lady friend, but think it is past time to meet some others. Dang, I missed out on several guys last time that I regret.[/QUOTE][blue]===============================================

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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1928582]
You're correct that number is likely on the high side. I did my numbers up very quickly. However, I seem to find the girls who are the biggest eaters in Thailand!
[/QUOTE]Some wise man once said "Never let a hungry Thai girl order food".

I have also observed that most of these girls order insane quantities of food, sometimes upto 6 or 8 different dishes and barely get past 3 or 4 spoons. It is called "Hunger of the Eyes". One massage girl I was with who was a bit more sensible explained to me "Big Eyes, Small Stomach". I saw the Buddha in her eyes.

[QUOTE=Kush82;1928658]Hello friends,

I required your help to decide the dates to go Pattaya.

I am planning a trip to Pattaya from Delhi (17 - 22 September) alone. Is it OK to go Pattaya in September. How about the prices of mongering there and hotels. Till now I have not booked Flight tickets & hotel. I am planning to book Penthouse Hotel.

Please give your valuable suggestion.

Best regards,

Kush[/QUOTE]September is still "low season" so both flights and hotels should have reasonable rates. High season starts as from end of October until early March.

Prices for mongering services however do not seem to change during the year.

If I were you, I'd think twice about Penthouse hotel. If I'm not mistaken there have been very mixed reviews about its quality.

[QUOTE=Kush82;1928658]
I am planning a trip to Pattaya from Delhi (17 - 22 September) alone. Is it OK to go Pattaya in September. [/QUOTE]September is one of the best times in the year to go to Pattaya. The waves of tourist have rescinded and hotels offer their best rates of the year. Meanwhile the girls are at their friendliest although as Wolvenvacht points out, prices for nooky never fall.

As you must be aware coming from India, September is part of the rainy season in LOS so bring an umbrella for sure and perhaps some tall water proof rain boots. The streets flood every time there is a downpour making walking around and keeping your feet dry somewhat difficult. But then the sun comes out and everything is bright and shiny again. I really like Pattaya in September. December/January is the worst time to come here. IMHO.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1928920]If I were you, I'd think twice about Penthouse hotel. If I'm not mistaken there have been very mixed reviews about its quality.[/QUOTE]I have stayed there several times and always enjoyed my stay. The sex themed rooms really seem to get the ladies going, and a top location close to Beach Road and Walking Street. If your are LB phobic it might be problematic but I just ignore them. It also gets pretty good reviews on Tripadvisor [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g293919-d501251-Reviews-Penthouse_Hotel-Pattaya_Chonburi_Province.html[/URL] and Agoda [URL]https://www.agoda.com/penthouse-hotel/hotel/pattaya-th.html[/URL].

SL.

This is an interesting report on Pattaya written by a gay journalist who immersed himself in the culture.

At least it's not a judgemental piece.

[URL]http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/one-big-open-air-brothel-a-week-in-the-worlds-sleaze-capital/news-story/a99e67d8662ec9ee064a91f9dc4f9a79[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1929054]This is an interesting report on Pattaya written by a gay journalist who immersed himself in the culture.

At least it's not a judgemental piece.

[URL]http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/one-big-open-air-brothel-a-week-in-the-worlds-sleaze-capital/news-story/a99e67d8662ec9ee064a91f9dc4f9a79[/URL][/QUOTE]Pretty judgemental to me and perpetuates so many stereotypes.

Not every visitor to Patts is a 50+ year old working class dolt. Plenty of young and attractive 25 to 40's guys here having good clean sexy fun.

But that's precisely what they hate in falang land. Aka Western sex prison. 555.

And the guy is a real asshole for only giving his pickup $12. What a dick. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1928934]September is one of the best times in the year to go to Pattaya. The waves of tourist have rescinded and hotels offer their best rates of the year. Meanwhile the girls are at their friendliest although as Wolvenvacht points out, prices for nooky never fall.

As you must be aware coming from India, September is part of the rainy season in LOS so bring an umbrella for sure and perhaps some tall water proof rain boots. The streets flood every time there is a downpour making walking around and keeping your feet dry somewhat difficult. But then the sun comes out and everything is bright and shiny again. I really like Pattaya in September. December/January is the worst time to come here. IMHO.[/QUOTE]I need to make it out there one September. I like August too but I bet September really rocks.

December / January are tougher with the holiday crowds. And a lot of girls also go back home for New Years holidays too.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1929092]I need to make it out there one September. I like August too but I bet September really rocks.

December / January are tougher with the holiday crowds. And a lot of girls also go back home for New Years holidays too.[/QUOTE]Good to know that Putin has freed you again to post!

We miss your posts, so please stay active here!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1929091]And the guy is a real asshole for only giving his pickup $12. What a dick. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked.[/QUOTE]There was a recent incident in my favorite Soi 6 bar when a guy came in and tried to get ST with a girl. He had previously taken a girl out and paid only 800. The second this guy walked into the bar the girls were on him. They were all yelling at him and told mamasan not to let him in the bar. The guy looked confused and was eventually guided out of the bar.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1929091]Pretty judgemental to me and perpetuates so many stereotypes.

Not every visitor to Patts is a 50+ year old working class dolt. Plenty of young and attractive 25 to 40's guys here having good clean sexy fun.

But that's precisely what they hate in falang land. Aka Western sex prison. 555.

And the guy is a real asshole for only giving his pickup $12. What a dick. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked.[/QUOTE]Yeah, just look at Banana Boi! Complete opposite! He probably merits an article all by himself!

As a matter of fact, if you go away from the beaten track I think there are a ton of older Aussies (and quite a few British and Canadians) living in Patts. The writer may have included these guys in the "visitor" bucket, since most do not live in Pattaya all 12 months?

And, of course the Russian families who own lots of condos in Pattaya. With lots more on the way. Many arrive as visitors and return as condo owners.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929118]There was a recent incident in my favorite Soi 6 bar when a guy came in and tried to get ST with a girl. He had previously taken a girl out and paid only 800. [/QUOTE]I am wondering if the guy knew that the 800 was just the ST bar fine to take her out. Because it almost seems like he was just tipping $12 ? That may also explain why he was not prepared for the reception he received?

My guess is if he knew, and the girl had complained or just asked about the $12 he would have known better not to come back!! There are many first timers, from different countries, who don't know about ISG etc and don't have a clue on their first day. And sometimes some Thai new girls are either shy, or feel embarrassed with such an amount that they just leave, particularly if like some they never even count before leaving?

[QUOTE=Kush82;1928658]Hello friends,

I required your help to decide the dates to go Pattaya.

I am planning a trip to Pattaya from Delhi (17 - 22 September) alone. Is it OK to go Pattaya in September. How about the prices of mongering there and hotels. Till now I have not booked Flight tickets & hotel. I am planning to book Penthouse Hotel.

Please give your valuable suggestion.

Best regards,

Kush[/QUOTE]September is still rainy season in Thailand and when I say rain I mean like rain from hell. At least that's I felt last time I went in September. If you don't mind rain and walking around with an umbrella its fine. October or November is much better weather.

He would have paid the BF before he left the bar. The 800 was her tip for leaving the bar with him.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929124]He would have paid the BF before he left the bar. The 800 was her tip for leaving the bar with him.[/QUOTE]His pickup was another gay dude no?

Can't believe it's that cheap for them.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1929122]I am wondering if the guy knew that the 800 was just the ST bar fine to take her out. Because it almost seems like he was just tipping $12 ? That may also explain why he was not prepared for the reception he received?

My guess is if he knew, and the girl had complained or just asked about the $12 he would have known better not to come back!! There are many first timers, from different countries, who don't know about ISG etc and don't have a clue on their first day. And sometimes some Thai new girls are either shy, or feel embarrassed with such an amount that they just leave, particularly if like some they never even count before leaving?[/QUOTE]In Soi 6 the barfine is only 300 baht and the girl's fee is now 1000 baht. For many years it used to be 1000 baht "barfine + fee", but that changed some time ago. ST in Soi 6 is now 1300 baht "all in".

Yipee headed to pattaya for a short haul 8th to 11th September. Can any senior share co-oridnates of hidden jewels.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1929116]Good to know that Putin has freed you again to post!

We miss your posts, so please stay active here![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1929154]

.... For many years it used to be 1000 baht "barfine + fee", but that changed some time ago. ST in Soi 6 is now 1300 baht "all in".


[/QUOTE]Depends, if you know the Girl and wich Bar. I still pay 900-1000 Thb all inclusiv. Otherwise you just invite the Girl to your Condo and then you save the Barfine and tip the Girl with 100 Thb.

Try Honey 1 soapy massage 'V' series. Check Galaxy on walking street for Russians.

[QUOTE=Rammer11;1929193]Yipee headed to Pattaya for a short haul 8th to 11th September. Can any senior share coordinates of hidden jewels.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Beno69;1929227]Depends, if you know the Girl and wich Bar. I still pay 900-1000 Thb all inclusiv. Otherwise you just invite the Girl to your Condo and then you save the Barfine and tip the Girl with 100 Thb.[/QUOTE]Whhhaa. Wha wha. Aaa. Tttt? I didn't quite get that! Care to expound please? Thanks!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929118]There was a recent incident in my favorite Soi 6 bar when a guy came in and tried to get ST with a girl. He had previously taken a girl out and paid only 800. The second this guy walked into the bar the girls were on him. They were all yelling at him and told mamasan not to let him in the bar. The guy looked confused and was eventually guided out of the bar.[/QUOTE]I guess I am a bit confused too. I just reported back at the end of May an 800 baht ST on Soi 6. The times that I have gotten a LT Soi 6 chick I have paid 1000(same as Beno69 says), same as I do with FL. Maybe there is more to this story.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1929091]Pretty judgemental to me and perpetuates so many stereotypes.

Not every visitor to Patts is a 50+ year old working class dolt. Plenty of young and attractive 25 to 40's guys here having good clean sexy fun.

But that's precisely what they hate in falang land. Aka Western sex prison. 555.

And the guy is a real asshole for only giving his pickup $12. What a dick. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked.[/QUOTE]As one of those old dolts, who has earned the right to live in our little paradise, I have always looked at young attractive guys here as losers who don't have what it takes to pickup women in their own country. Dressing and acting like there're players in Monaco is pretty pathetic when in reality this is just a low cost resort town in SE Asia. Like you said "what a dick", a jealous one at that.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1929358]As one of those old dolts, who has earned the right to live in our little paradise, I have always looked at young attractive guys here as losers who don't have what it takes to pickup women in their own country. [/QUOTE]Why do you look at it like that? Why not look at it as they have no problem doing both? When people see me out and about on my motorcycle would they assume that I don't have a car parked in the garage at home as well?

Interesting that you are staying on soi 6, is that where you spend all your time?

As to hotel choices, I've stayed at many different locations from WS to LK metro down to Soi 8. This time going with the baywalk residence. Seems like it's close to both WS and LK metro, also a quick baht bus run to and from soi 6.

Now if I'm at soi 6 and want to get to LK metro or head from LK metro to my hotel I'll always use a motorbike taxi, if you don't you have to walk from beach road all the way up. Don't do it often but only when I'm in an odd location.

Hello guys,

So I just met a Thai girl in Pattaya and she told my friend that she likes me and so I asked her out, she is not a working girl she works at billiards place and I'll be picking her up tomorrow at 8 pm when she finish her shift it's my second day in Pattaya I have no clue where to take her I tried telling her to name places to go but she keeps saying I can't talk to you I am shy around you, please help me veterans.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1929367]Why do you look at it like that? Why not look at it as they have no problem doing both? When people see me out and about on my motorcycle would they assume that I don't have a car parked in the garage at home as well?[/QUOTE]This guy routinely pisses on expats. Just giving him a taste of what he may come off looking as to some of us who had the game to get it free back in our day. He is clueless about how we live our lives here. Few of the guys I hang out with live with industry girls. It's the other pool making up 99% of Thai women they settle down with. These aren't the hookers in the clubs he only knows of.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1929341]I guess I am a bit confused too. I just reported back at the end of May an 800 baht ST on Soi 6. The times that I have gotten a LT Soi 6 chick I have paid 1000(same as Beno69 says), same as I do with FL. Maybe there is more to this story.[/QUOTE]Possibly more to the story but all the girls huddled together and started yelling at the guy and telling Mamasan to kick him out. I'm only relaying what the girls told me the story was. My thai isn't good enough yet to understand all the profanities they must have been throwing his way.

Interesting about St prices. Typical 1 hour soi 6 price is 1000 baht in the bar. They charge less for ST? I know a friend who is being quoted 2500 LT so 1000 LT seems a bit off, Maybe different bars has significantly different prices. I don't ask Soi 6 girls to come home with me so personally no experience with ST / LT pricing.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929486]I know a friend who is being quoted 2500 LT so 1000 LT seems a bit off, Maybe different bars has significantly different prices. I don't ask Soi 6 girls to come home with me so personally no experience with ST / LT pricing.[/QUOTE]I don't ask them either. But when they start asking me it gives me the bargaining power. In a case like that they always say give me what you want.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929124]He would have paid the BF before he left the bar. The 800 was her tip for leaving the bar with him.[/QUOTE]Have to agree as I don't think they would let the girl leave without first paying the BF to the bar.

But I've never actually taken a girl away from any soi 6 bars (always ate in--literally) so don't really know the actual BF price. Is 800 b BF for ST or LT?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1929380]Interesting that you are staying on soi 6, is that where you spend all your time?

As to hotel choices, I've stayed at many different locations from WS to LK metro down to Soi 8. This time going with the baywalk residence. Seems like it's close to both WS and LK metro, also a quick baht bus run to and from soi 6.

Now if I'm at soi 6 and want to get to LK metro or head from LK metro to my hotel I'll always use a motorbike taxi, if you don't you have to walk from beach road all the way up. Don't do it often but only when I'm in an odd location.[/QUOTE]I've been to Pattaya twice. Both times, I stayed at the Jasmine Hotel on Soi BJ next to WS. That hotel is great. It is very convenient, clean, and affordable. However, the Jasmine has two minor problems.

The first is, you are far away from baht buses and any day time activity. You must do a good deal of walking during the day, so you can be close when you stumble home at night.

Secondly, there is a ladyboy bar right next door, and they get pushy when you walk by late at night. I have nothing against them trying to make money, but I don't like being grabbed by the arm or have my path blocked when I really just want to sleep. Although I won't be staying at Jasmine again, I'd still recommend it for budget travelers who want to be near WS. I'd also highly recommend it to ladyboy lovers. (not my thing though).

My last trip to Pattaya, I fell in love with Soi 6. It opens early in the day, has friendly company, and beer is fairly cheap. The last time I visited Soi 6, I was annoyed with my current hotel location, and I started obsessing over the Queen Victoria Inn. It seemed perfect to me. But as we all know, nothing is as good as it seems in Thailand. I figured I've give it a try anyways. I've read up on other hotels, but I keep thinking about TQVI. I figured next trip, I'd try there. If I don't like it, I'll try a different one. I've also read good things about April Suites and a host of other places.

However, if the general consensus of this board is to avoid that hotel, I'll trust your collective expertise.

What does everybody think? Keep in mind that I don't want to blow my entire budget on a hotel, so the Hilton is out of the equation.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1929154]In Soi 6 the barfine is only 300 baht and the girl's fee is now 1000 baht. For many years it used to be 1000 baht "barfine + fee", but that changed some time ago. ST in Soi 6 is now 1300 baht "all in".[/QUOTE]This is mainly correct if you don't negotiate and just pay and do the deed in house.

But I'm the type that somehow always try to bargain (since I've gotten use to the Thai way=bargain all the time). I've found that when you do so most often (not always) the overall price will fall depending on the girl (also time of day) as only her cost is flexible (the barfine is not).

Many times I've gotten the overall price to be anywhere from 1000-1200 b (300-350 b for fixed BF) and rest to her (700-900). Girls don't seem to be upset if you try to bargain as they expect it. This is just my take on the subject as many will just go with the flow and not be bothered with asking about money.

If it's too good to be true. It normally is. While I don't mean to desist you, I do mean to play the devils advocate. Getting involved emotionally in Pattaya is a dangerous thing. We normally say think from your head and not from the tip of your willy. Well do just the opposite in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=AWarC;1929393]Hello guys,

So I just met a Thai girl in Pattaya and she told my friend that she likes me and so I asked her out, she is not a working girl she works at billiards place and I'll be picking her up tomorrow at 8 pm when she finish her shift it's my second day in Pattaya I have no clue where to take her I tried telling her to name places to go but she keeps saying I can't talk to you I am shy around you, please help me veterans.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Freezone;1929558]This is mainly correct if you don't negotiate and just pay and do the deed in house.

But I'm the type that somehow always try to bargain (since I've gotten use to the Thai way=bargain all the time). I've found that when you do so most often (not always) the overall price will fall depending on the girl (also time of day) as only her cost is flexible (the barfine is not).

Many times I've gotten the overall price to be anywhere from 1000-1200 b (300-350 b for fixed BF) and rest to her (700-900). Girls don't seem to be upset if you try to bargain as they expect it. This is just my take on the subject as many will just go with the flow and not be bothered with asking about money.[/QUOTE]So how much can you get "off" that 1000 baht or so "standard price"? A few hundred baht? Not worth my time and the effort. Once I have picked a girl to my liking and established a reasonable price, I close the deal and try to get balls deep into her moist pussy without delay.

Unfortunately my time in Pattaya has come to an end and I am already back home. Just wanted to give a little recap of my last couple of days. On Sunday, I visited Kinneree place for the first time. Upon entering, this attractive woman, who seemed to be managing the place, noticed my newbie self walk in and came over. She showed me around and explained the pricing. Very nice and made me feel welcome. I was hungry, but the big barbecue buffet was pretty much done with only some slim pickings left as I arrived late afternoon. She astutely pointed out that there was plenty of pussy available to eat though. Definitely some good looking chicks there but most were already taken up by other guys, the place was quite full, at least the main room was. Since this was my first visit, not sure if this is the norm. Also, being my first time there I wanted to relax a little and get a feel of the place. Some of the girls were a bit pushy and acted put off when I communicated that I just wanted to chill for a bit before getting some company. It's for sure a great spot to go with a friend and chill. All the other guys were in groups with buddies and girls and I did start to feel bored. Some of my targets didn't appear to getting "single" anytime soon so I chose a chick that had come over a couple of times already. We shared a drink, lots of dirty talk, and eventually went to a room. Once in the room though, she really wanted to rush things. BJ was meh, sex was meh, with lots of over the top moaning and "I'm going to cum!" after like two pumps. Please. Anyways, sex done, I wanted to drink my beer before going back out but she was in a hurry. I figured it was time to head home anyway so I got dressed and once my pants were on, I turn around and she's there with her hand out. I hate that. I mean give me a frigging second, it's not like I made a move to the door and needed to be stopped. I just buckled my belt for Christ sake. So I paid up, finished my beer and headed home. The place was cool, but I probably won't be heading back unless I'm with a friend that I could chill with.

Did a couple of Soi 6 stops with good success. Monday night, I ended up back in Sensations to take out the girl I had written about previously. However, her and her best friend were being bar fined by some dude. She said she would only be gone for an hour and wanted me to promise to wait for her and not take anyone else. But I had no intention of waiting and eventually took this really cute tiny chick. Whether true or not, the mamasan said it was the girl's first week as I was waiting for her to change clothes. Once at the hotel it was a great GFE. Overall great time, and we took the full hour before she left for home. Only other thing of note was a massage place I found on Monday evening. I'm [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor with directions, even more so with areas I'm not fully familiar with, but I'll give it my best shot. It's in the LK metro area. One of the main roads that has an entrance to LK metro has a club called Oasis on a corner. Oasis has black walls. If you turn down the side street that Oasis is on, there are many massage places. One of the first ones on the right has signs called "Ansan massage" or something to that effect. There also was a sign about 5 massages get the 6th free. Anyway, this place had some really young and cute chicks outside. I picked the one I liked the best and entered. After a couple of minutes of her rubbing oil on my back and ass, she asks, you want to boom boom me? Hell yes. Christ almighty, 22 yr old, no kids to ruin her firm perky B cup tits. So delicious, good BJ and sex. It was 200 for the "massage" and 1000 for her. (I gave her a tip as well). Only negatives of the spot is that the room is a row of twin size beds with the curtain separation. The shower area? Well, I showered upon arrival but after the deed, I just waited until I got back home.

[QUOTE=AWarC;1929393]Hello guys,

So I just met a Thai girl in Pattaya and she told my friend that she likes me and so I asked her out, she is not a working girl she works at billiards place and I'll be picking her up tomorrow at 8 pm when she finish her shift it's my second day in Pattaya I have no clue where to take her I tried telling her to name places to go but she keeps saying I can't talk to you I am shy around you, please help me veterans.[/QUOTE]If it's a date you really want and not just a P4 P encounter, take her to Central and see a movie. If that goes well with a lot of cuddling on the Sofa seat you should book, then take her to dinner later along the water front somewhere. There is a nice restaurant behind the beer bars next to walking street. If that goes well also, you should have a green light to go back to your hotel. Don't ask her to go, after dinner just grab a baht bus and head home. If no objections, just bring her up and assume she will be staying the night. In the morning slip 1000-2,000 Baht onto the top of her bag while she's in the shower and keep your mouth shut. Chances are you will have a made a friend for life. Good luck! This works with me every time.

Got ripped off here last night. Bought girl a drink and when bill comes back it has 5 lady drinks on it. Figured I would post it as a warning to others. Been coming to walking Street for 5 years and never been ripped off like this. Girl goes by name of Ning. Her real name Navarat.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1929555]What does everybody think? Keep in mind that I don't want to blow my entire budget on a hotel, so the Hilton is out of the equation.[/QUOTE]Read the Pattaya hotel thread and make an informed decision based on where you want to stay. I also agree Soi 6 may not be the best location to situate yourself. A favorite on this board is View Talay 6 located beside Central Festival. You'll be at Soi 6 in minutes.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1929712]If it's a date you really want and not just a P4 P encounter, take her to Central and see a movie. If that goes well with a lot of cuddling on the Sofa seat you should book, then take her to dinner later along the water front somewhere. There is a nice restaurant behind the beer bars next to walking street. If that goes well also, you should have a green light to go back to your hotel. Don't ask her to go, after dinner just grab a baht bus and head home. If no objections, just bring her up and assume she will be staying the night. In the morning slip 1000-2,000 Baht onto the top of her bag while she's in the shower and keep your mouth shut. Chances are you will have a made a friend for life. Good luck! This works with me every time.[/QUOTE]If she's not a working girl, why slip her 1000 or 2000 bht? Especially after springing for dinner and a movie. I don't usually pay a GF.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1929785]If she's not a working girl, why slip her 1000 or 2000 bht? Especially after springing for dinner and a movie. I don't usually pay a GF.[/QUOTE]I don't even tip working girls after a dinner and a movie.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1929555]I've been to Pattaya twice. Both times, I stayed at the Jasmine Hotel on Soi BJ next to WS. That hotel is great. It is very convenient, clean, and affordable. However, the Jasmine has two minor problems.

The first is, you are far away from baht buses and any day time activity. You must do a good deal of walking during the day, so you can be close when you stumble home at night.

Secondly, there is a ladyboy bar right next door, and they get pushy when you walk by late at night. I have nothing against them trying to make money, but I don't like being grabbed by the arm or have my path blocked when I really just want to sleep. Although I won't be staying at Jasmine again, I'd still recommend it for budget travelers who want to be near WS. I'd also highly recommend it to ladyboy lovers. (not my thing though).

My last trip to Pattaya, I fell in love with Soi 6. It opens early in the day, has friendly company, and beer is fairly cheap. The last time I visited Soi 6, I was annoyed with my current hotel location, and I started obsessing over the Queen Victoria Inn. It seemed perfect to me. But as we all know, nothing is as good as it seems in Thailand. I figured I've give it a try anyways. I've read up on other hotels, but I keep thinking about TQVI. I figured next trip, I'd try there. If I don't like it, I'll try a different one. I've also read good things about April Suites and a host of other places.

However, if the general consensus of this board is to avoid that hotel, I'll trust your collective expertise.

What does everybody think? Keep in mind that I don't want to blow my entire budget on a hotel, so the Hilton is out of the equation.[/QUOTE]I've tried WS hotels but found out the hard way when your trying to get back at night using a baht bus and traffic stops half a mile up the road that the walk to your hotel is just too much. I've also stayed on soi 8 but found that area too far to walk to LK metro, impracticable to walk down to beach Road to catch a baht bus and then walk all the way back up. Also stayed right near LK metro, easy to get the girls from WS and LK metro back to your hotel but a pain trying to get to WS is traffic is backed up.

My budget on hotels is in the $30 to $40 range. Go below $30 and you run the risk of running into too many Indians who like to cram 5 guys to a room. I'll go over $40 if the hotels location and amenities warrant the expenditure. I got the bayview for $40 without breakfast which in my mind is a fantastic price (1400 baht before the taxes). Have to say the Queen Victoria's rooms nicer rooms look decent (wouldn't stay in the budget or the standard rooms). That leaves the superior rooms at 850 baht (wonder if this price includes the taxes? If your going to spend $25 on a nice room at the Queen Victoria you might want to consider pattaya blue sky hotel on soi 5 that has a pool and is slightly over $31.

I'm down on Soi 6. Just ran into the Songkran Muncher. LOL. That dude is crazy. Guess that is why his name is Crazy Ben. He said he was on TV in 30 countires.

Me and my buddy just came into a bar. He tells the girl let's go upstairs. I said what the fuck dude. You never ask prices. He said I know. I said man don't do that shit. So he asks the girl how much and she says 300 for room and 1000 for her. Immediately I said no way that is too much. She said how much then. I said 700. She said okay. Then my friend said 500. I started laughing and said man 700 is the right price. Now he is upstairs with the chick. Easy Breasy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1929853]I'm down on Soi 6. Just ran into the Songkran Muncher. LOL. That dude is crazy. Guess that is why his name is Crazy Ben. He said he was on TV in 30 countires.

Me and my buddy just came into a bar. He tells the girl let's go upstairs. I said what the fuck dude. You never ask prices. He said I know. I said man don't do that shit. So he asks the girl how much and she says 300 for room and 1000 for her. Immediately I said no way that is too much. She said how much then. I said 700. She said okay. Then my friend said 500. I started laughing and said man 700 is the right price. Now he is upstairs with the chick. Easy Breasy.[/QUOTE]Have you ever taken two girls to the room on soi 6? Curious if you can negotiate getting only one room charge, I did it several times and always got billed for two rooms from the bar.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1929892]Have you ever taken two girls to the room on soi 6? Curious if you can negotiate getting only one room charge, I did it several times and always got billed for two rooms from the bar.[/QUOTE]This is Thailand!

The "room charge" is actually a bar-fine.

And bar-fines are the same whether you take her for ST or LT. That defies all logic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1929853]I'm down on Soi 6. Just ran into the Songkran Muncher. LOL. That dude is crazy. Guess that is why his name is Crazy Ben. He said he was on TV in 30 countires.

Me and my buddy just came into a bar. He tells the girl let's go upstairs. I said what the fuck dude. You never ask prices. He said I know. I said man don't do that shit. So he asks the girl how much and she says 300 for room and 1000 for her. Immediately I said no way that is too much. She said how much then. I said 700. She said okay. Then my friend said 500. I started laughing and said man 700 is the right price. Now he is upstairs with the chick. Easy Breasy.[/QUOTE]If I lived in Pattaya, I'd probably negotiate more. Truth is, bargaining is a huge turn off for me, especially if the girl counters or appears uninterested. The worst thing a girl could do is size me up while trying to decide. I don't know how you all do it. I also don't know how some of you can bag 3 girls a day 20 days in a row.

Okay, I'll be there in January. I'll be getting PM privileges before my trip. I'm writing a bucket list for the place. Here are the things I really want to do on my next trip.

1. Get really hammered and ride the bull at Hooters.

2. Soapy Massage.

3. 4 girls in one day (will need pills for this one).

4. See some actual tourist stuff, like temples or statues.

5. Get a girl from a gogo.

6. Try a new hotel.

I don't want to ring any bells or buy any buckets of balls. What else should I add to my list? I've done most of the first-timer stuff. The above list is what's left for me to achieve.

I have been to Pattaya many times and love it last 3 visits I have stayed at Opey de Place in Soi Lengkee nice rooms pool clean and near to LK metro easy to get to baht buses and only 800 bhat if staying 7 or more nights look forward to stay there next time in April.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929783]Read the Pattaya hotel thread and make an informed decision based on where you want to stay. I also agree Soi 6 may not be the best location to situate yourself. A favorite on this board is View Talay 6 located beside Central Festival. You'll be at Soi 6 in minutes.[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure about that. Based on what you've posted, I think VT 6 may not be for you. There are significant non- refundable deposits, you have a pay a lot for regular or even twice a week maid service. The pool is ancient. Etc. The insides of the apartments (each unit is quite different based on the owner's style, quality, money invested in bathrooms, and layout, furnishings etc.) will vary a heck of a lot , from the quality and power of AC, to shower water pressure, size of water heater etc. And, the common areas are quite run-down.

But, if you can get a high quality apartment, at the higher price points, from a high quality owner and are willing to pay additionally for daily maid service, then I would recommend it. It's not a hotel. No two units are alike. And the service is a la carte.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1929787]I don't even tip working girls after a dinner and a movie.[/QUOTE]Although, I would hasten to add that it also depends on whether you want more nights with her. And the chemistry for such a multiple day / night desire. In such situations, IMO, money is just a way to help them pay rent etc. It's all a personal call though, IMO.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1929680]Once I have picked a girl to my liking and established a reasonable price, I close the deal and try to get balls deep into her moist pussy without delay.[/QUOTE]Boy, that sounds very Mormon! 😜👻

[QUOTE=Adrena;1930039]What else should I add to my list? I've done most of the first-timer stuff. The above list is what's left for me to achieve.[/QUOTE]Get a girl from each of the following: gogo bar, regular bar, Beach Road, soi 6, soi 7/8, soapie, regular massage, seedy massage joint like Paradise or Up to You on Soi Honey, nightclub like Hollywood or iBar, a "non working" girl (ie. Works in a restaurant, retail store, etc). then repeat the cycle over and over again.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1930062]Based on what you've posted, I think VT 6 may not be for you.[/QUOTE]I'm the one who told you to stay at VT6. I am very familiar with the condo.

There are rental sites where maid service is included and also where you can select the exact property you are looking for. the best unit in VT6 by far is the 153 square metre one with a panoramic view of the Pattaya waterfront from Naklua to Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1930063]Although, I would hasten to add that it also depends on whether you want more nights with her. And the chemistry for such a multiple day / night desire. In such situations, IMO, money is just a way to help them pay rent etc. It's all a personal call though, IMO.[/QUOTE]

Overall I take care of my few select girls very well. My girls know there is no tip for a dinner, movie, etc. and keep asking me out for dinners. A full stomach, laughs, and a good time are their tip.

[QUOTE=RapidSky568;1929779]Got ripped off here last night. Bought girl a drink and when bill comes back it has 5 lady drinks on it. Figured I would post it as a warning to others. Been coming to walking Street for 5 years and never been ripped off like this. Girl goes by name of Ning. Her real name Navarat.[/QUOTE]

Infinity is not a rip off gogo bar. Been here many times recently. If you were overcharged hopefully you talked to mamasan.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930068]I'm the one who told you to stay at VT6. I am very familiar with the condo.

There are rental sites where maid service is included and also where you can select the exact property you are looking for. the best unit in VT6 by far is the 153 square metre one with a panoramic view of the Pattaya waterfront from Naklua to Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, BB. You are right and thanks for the recommendation. My point is / was that even after you recommended it, I did not realize how different each unit was. Particularly AC, bathrooms / size and quality of the water heater, with a ceiling fan / vs not, etc.

And, I had no clue how old the common areas were until I got there. And, with Dancewatchers, once I got there from NYC after nearly 22 hours, at 2 pm on a weekday, I could not find them (even though they are ones who set up my car service) for more than 30-45 minutes after I arrived. There is (except for a few rental management companies) no one on site for check-in.

And, the maid service you are referring to, includes change of sheets daily or not? For me, if the sheets are not new / laundered then I don't call that maid service.

So, my point for someone used to staying in a hotel, is that is is very different because of the above.

And, when I book a hotel via Travelocity, there is zero $ deposit and it is fully refundable up to 24 hours before arrival. And, if you want you can find hotels with full buffet breakfast included daily. So, as I said it's different.

80-90 PC of the units at VT 6 would not work for me.

But, I've found a couple that work well...and in the end what I liked most was being right next to Central Festival mall, the grocery store, food court etc.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930066]Get a girl from each of the following: gogo bar, regular bar, Beach Road, soi 6, soi 7/8, soapie, regular massage, seedy massage joint like Paradise or Up to You on Soi Honey, nightclub like Hollywood or iBar, a "non working" girl (ie. Works in a restaurant, retail store, etc). then repeat the cycle over and over again.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and buy a casket ahead of time, and reserve your hole in the ground ahead of time!

BB, not sure if you are aware, most of us just can't keep up with you!! The above cycle, each time adds up to about 14 ! And for example, times 3, would be 42. LOL!

Have a heart man (pun intended) ! 🙄🖖

But, I do love reading your posts...in amazement ! How do ya do it man ? Nike needs to do an endorsement deal with you !

Anyone tried these people in Pattaya? Scam or do they deliver something close to what they offer? Thanks.

[URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930068]I'm the one who told you to stay at VT6. I am very familiar with the condo.

[/QUOTE]So sorry, BB, upon re-reading. When I said " based on your posts VT 6 may not be for you " I was saying that to Adrena (and not you) since he was the one enquiring, vs. You who knows pretty much everything there is to know in Patts. But, since I hit reply to your post in response to Adrena, it was my error.

Of course, I know fully well that VT 6 has worked well and will work very for you. As it does for me. I just didn't think Adrena knew all the differences of the variety in VT 6 vs consistent hotel rooms, with hotel services.

So, my apologies.

[QUOTE=Broxy;1930041]I have been to Pattaya many times and love it last 3 visits I have stayed at Opey de Place in Soi Lengkee nice rooms pool clean and near to LK metro easy to get to baht buses and only 800 bhat if staying 7 or more nights look forward to stay there next time in April.[/QUOTE]Clearly a case of YMMV or different strokes for different folks. A wingman decided to try that place last year because he saw a good deal on agoda. He said it sucked, but he had already paid through the website. Last month he stayed at a tried and true place of the same price point. I never saw the inside but he has been coming here longer than me, so I trust his experience.

[QUOTE=Engjoe;1930078]Anyone tried these people in Pattaya? Scam or do they deliver something close to what they offer? Thanks.

[URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL][/QUOTE]In the high season, that comes to about 145 EUR per day, or roughly about 5500 baht per day and includes BKK. Pattaya transport (usual retail price between 1000 and 1500 baht one way), hotel room (I'm sure they can find it for 1000 baht per night or less). That leaves about 4200 baht per day for the girl.

It is not super cheap, but neither is it terribly expensive. But you will have to add food and entertainment for you and your "girlfriend".

The only problem I have with these arrangements is that there is no guarantee you and your "girlfriend" will be a match and you are stuck with her for at least 3 days.

I think this is something for the very timid or the terminally lazy.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1929680] Once I have picked a girl to my liking and established a reasonable price, I close the deal and try to get balls deep into her moist pussy without delay.[/QUOTE]What would 'YOU' do if you were with a bunch of buddies and are having a night out drinking and you run into 'the chosen one' early in the tour? Its known by the group that you'll be breaking off eventually to go your separate ways. Do you try to come back later for the girl? Barfine her and head back to your hotel? Possibly barfine her and drag her along on the tour if she's a LT girl?

I'd do just what W did and say sorry guys, have to go drill this girl. If its ST ID meet up with them again (possibly) later.

[QUOTE=Adrena;1930039]I don't want to ring any bells or buy any buckets of balls. What else should I add to my list? I've done most of the first-timer stuff. The above list is what's left for me to achieve.[/QUOTE]If your not under a cell phone yearly plan now (as in paying month to month), ID recommend signing up for a Tmobile cell phone plan. Sign up for a simple choice plan (I have the $50 plan with 2 gbs of service but with an extra 3 gbs added for $10 more). Yes there's cheaper cell plans out there but Tmobile won't charge you a penny for using texts and data on your phone. A phone call is around. 20 per minute or so. Then install LINE chat and you can keep in contact with the girls you like without having to walk into their bar and find them gone.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930066]Get a girl from each of the following: gogo bar, regular bar, Beach Road, soi 6, soi 7/8, soapie, regular massage, seedy massage joint like Paradise or Up to You on Soi Honey, nightclub like Hollywood or iBar, a "non working" girl (ie. Works in a restaurant, retail store, etc). then repeat the cycle over and over again.[/QUOTE]I like the way you think! The Banana Boy Nine!

"Get a girl from each of the following: gogo bar, regular bar, Beach Road, soi 6, soi 7/8, soapie, regular massage, seedy massage joint like Paradise or Up to You on Soi Honey, nightclub like Hollywood or iBar, a "non working" girl (ie. Works in a restaurant, retail store, etc). Then repeat the cycle over and over again. ".

To each his own, but for me, there is no way I would want to subject myself to that wide a variance in quality and force myself to take a girl from each venue on the list, let alone keep repeating the list over and over again. Ever heard about Sisyphus and his troubles? I like to go where the quality leads me and to forget about the rest. I will now go down the list one by one and make some short comments on each particular venue. Feel free to agree or disagree. Some lively difference of opinion on these various honky tonk's might be interesting and informative.

Walking Street and LK Metro Go Go Bars - Yes. This is what Pattaya is all about IMHO. Many, many to choose from so there is plenty of variety for me and yet I can still maintain a decent quality level. Expensive - hell yes. I think maybe more expensive than BKK Go Go's. I wonder how pricing is affecting business. Not all of these Go Go's can be doing too well.

Ibar - Yes, if I can hold off that long. HA HA. But usually I can't wait until midnight knowing that there is nice juicy pussy to be had and the Tequila is flowing at 9 pm. But yeah, Ibar sure does have talent. I like.

Beer bars - I go very in-frequently, but once in a while. Its a quality issue. If I see a girl in passing that catches my eye and I am not going somewhere else, maybe I walk in and see what's up.

Beach Road - I like to window shop, but rarely see sufficient quality and I mean rarely.

Soi 6 - usually there is better quality than Beach Road, but not by much. I like to go to look / see from time to time, but rarely do I bite the bullet. My Soi 6 trysts have never been the highlight of one of my trips

Soi 7/8 - I make rare visits. I don't think I have been there since 2011. Quality on my last visit was not good. I mean friendly, but not good. I don't even think about those joints. Maybe I should go back and take a look, but I would not expect much.

Other Bars like Lisa Bar on 2nd road - is an interesting place where I sometimes have found real diamonds. I try to visit at least once every visit.

Pattaya Soapies - No friggin' way. The girls are no where near the quality of the BKK soapies which I love. Big waste of money IMHO.

DD - Spotty quality. They used to have a couple of girls I really liked like Maggie, but she is sadly long gone. I loved that girl. She was very good to look at and her performance was always stellar. As to threesomes: big deal. I have much better threesomes with my 2 favorite MNL girls and my 2 favorite BKK CH girls. I really like threesomes, but BOTH girls have to be quality or it does not work for me. DD does not cut it.

Pat Oilies - Most girls do not make the grade IMHO and again I find much better quality in BKK oilies which I frequent often.

Regular massage - Ok, these can be an interesting way to waste an hour on an otherwise hot afternoon if the masseuse is attractive in any way, shape, or form. I like seeing how far I can coax a regular massage girl to go. Sometimes the results are amazing.

Non Working girls - I would definitely spend more time on this variety of fauna especially in BKK if I lived in LOS, but otherwise I think it is better to stick with the professional girls. No one gets hurt or misled. Anyway, for non working girls, there is no place better than the PI. Forget Pattaya, you will do better in any mall in Manila.

What else? Oh yeah, the Pat Gentlemen Clubs like Kinnaree - I have never been, but I am curious to go and check it out on a quiet afternoon. Again, I am not expecting much in the way of quality, just friendly older girls who will do ya for a little money. Don't get me wrong, I think I might find a girl there to my liking. Not all my girls have to be 22 and hot.

Those kinky sex in the open places bars like LE Carre Blanc and company - I would go if I thought the girls were hot, but I know they are not.

The darkside bars like Mango Bar or Aqua Deymie - There are interesting possibilities. It is hit or miss, but you need a motorbike to explore the area.

So that's my take on it. I am a BKK big city kind of guy who mainly goes to Pattaya once every couple of years for a change a scenery and the opportunity to hit some different Go Go girls in some different Go Go's than the usual places I like. I wish the Pattaya massage joints were BKK quality, but they are not, so I don't waste my money with those. in summary, Pattaya is mainly Go Go central and Ibar for me with maybe a couple of smaller bars thrown in for good measure. I always have a good time though and meet some great girls.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1930421]I like the way you think! The Banana Boy Nine![/QUOTE]Oops, I can't count. The Banana Boy 10!

I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.

Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.

I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.

Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.

I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?[/QUOTE]Time to wake-up and smell the som tum sir. You know it they know it and I know it. These girls who go to Pattaya are prostitutoots- not bank tellers, optomitrits, dentists, office managers, etc.

You are correct in surmising good young thai girls ar not looking for old white folk to have a good time, its all about quid pro quo. Py to play babie!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.

Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.

I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?[/QUOTE]You may notice that almost every girl you meet in Pattaya is from Isaan. Many come there to work. When I ask the same question to many Thai bar girls about the vacation story because we all heard it. They always laugh and say Thai girl no money how they going to go on vacation and why of all places would they come to Patttaya. The answers obvious.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.

Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.

I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?[/QUOTE]They have nice beaches on the islands a short boat ride away from Pattaya. Some may think you will like it better if you are around more farangs.

Some will be working girls but all will want money in one form or another. Weather it's cash out right or wining and dining her and her friends, buying gifts or all of the above.

Guys come here to spend money. I assume you do also so what difference does it make who or what she is if you are having fun. Like you said one of the ladies is 23 and you are 58. Where in the world does a relationship like that doesn't cost money.

To be perfectly blunt, you're an old fuck just like me and their interested in you because they think you have money.

If you really want beaches and regular women, go to some beaches in the west. Nice bleaches, plenty of ugly old fat bitches that won't want money. LOL.

Hello gents,

Starting to catch up on this thread.

Thinking of planning a trip to Pattaya hopefully end of this year or so.

Been a while since I have been, but based on things I have read online, I may not visit gogo's much. At least for boom boom.

Looks like a lot of these girls are asking for prices way out of my budget. 3000 plus baht for short time, forget it! I do not like hassling with the girls for prices in the first place.

I will probably visit gogo's for eye candy and a few drinks, and visit the beer bars for fun. Though prices there seem to be going up also.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1930400]What would 'YOU' do if you were with a bunch of buddies and are having a night out drinking and you run into 'the chosen one' early in the tour? Its known by the group that you'll be breaking off eventually to go your separate ways. Do you try to come back later for the girl? Barfine her and head back to your hotel? Possibly barfine her and drag her along on the tour if she's a LT girl?

I'd do just what W did and say sorry guys, have to go drill this girl. If its ST ID meet up with them again (possibly) later.[/QUOTE]Never expect a cutie to be there when you come back. From experience blinking may make you miss out!

[QUOTE=TellAll;1930559]...Some will be working girls but all will want money in one form or another. Weather it's cash out right or wining and dining her and her friends, buying gifts or all of the above.

Guys come here to spend money. I assume you do also so what difference does it make who or what she is if you are having fun. Like you said one of the ladies is 23 and you are 58. Where in the world does a relationship like that doesn't cost money...[/QUOTE]Appropriate analysis. I am amazed at how folks who are in their 50's /60's dream as if they were in their 20's. Clearly at that level, the relationship will be strictly about money, I. E. A customer buying some poon from a Thai girl. The rest is completely irrelevant.

Currently in Bangkok coming from Pattaya. Still don't get the advantages of Pattaya regarding girls price and look, In Soi Nana I am taking girls to my hotel at 1000ST.

This days in Pattaya you can't get this prices. Some good looking girls I took in Nana some with white skin.

Still Pattaya is far better place to stay then BKK concrete jungle with cheaper package of accommodation, massage, motorbike rent and the beach.

I was only kidding about my list being repeated over and over again, Natty. I am almost purely a gogo guy and girls I take home are gogo girls. Since you say you're a gogo guy I'm sure I've sat beside you one night in a gogo club. I only go for the cream of the crop. I don't settle for anything less. Since we both live in Pattaya we have the luxury to hold out for the best there is.

I do like Soi 6 and searching for a gem in the rough. Nice time killer in the day time when the gogo bars are not open. I frequent Soi 7/8 less often to find that gem too. I have met two so far, both on Soi 7. No BF just go hang out before I head to WS or LK.

Beach road - I have to be pretty bored to walk this stretch. Prices are great though 700-1000 ST. Only seen 2 I would pick up but again I don't walk BR often.

I'm not an iBar guy. Would much rather go to Hollywood.

I never understood why these guys sit outside with old ladies at beer bars when so many much hotter girls at gogo bars. I assume it's since it's less than half the price? 1300-2300 including BF for beer girl vs. 2800-7000 (yes, quoted 2000 BF + 5000ST by a Glass House girl) for gogo girl.

You should try the G clubs like Kinnaree during the day (closes at 7 pm) and Club 007 and Pirates on Soi Full Love Inn at night. Kinnaree is not older girls not sure who told you that. My 3 Kinnaree regulars are between 19-23.

Like yourself, I rarely do a soapie since the value and, more important, mileage isn't there but I do walk in once every couple of weeks just to see. If I see the right girl I will see her, get her Line, then have her come over to my place.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.

Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.

I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?[/QUOTE]Why all the red flags? You are a punter in Thailand looking for P4 P action and the ladies are looking for the same. If you are hoping for a normal girl then I would question why you are hanging out on a website which caters to punters looking for information on P4 P action.

Here are the prices for the 24 hour gym on the bottom floor of The Avenue.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1930611]I was only kidding about my list being repeated over and over again, Natty.[/QUOTE]I see the list as merely suggestions for a newbie or bored mongerer if all they do is go to Soi 6 in the afternoon and WS in the evening. It gives me an incentive now to try out a seedy massage place, haha! I probably won't like it, but I won't know until I try, and I might find discover something else I like while out exploring! And after 3 trips, I was finding myself getting bored doing the some old same old. Yeah, bored with being with 2 to 3 women each day. Sigh.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1930727]Here are the prices for the 24 hour gym on the bottom floor of The Avenue.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Mr. ENT. The monthly price seems decent (I assume you get that price without having to sign a LT contract?). And if you use it a minimum of 5 times in a month, you break even vs. The daily price.

Now, the important question is: is there AC indoors? If yes, I will surely join on my next visit.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1930643]Why all the red flags? You are a punter in Thailand looking for P4 P action and the ladies are looking for the same. If you are hoping for a normal girl then I would question why you are hanging out on a website which caters to punters looking for information on P4 P action.[/QUOTE]It was just a simple question, and if you do not have the answer, then you need not respond. I was not aware that TF exclusively catered to punters, not was Facebook a site for P4P hookups. Some of us still have our game on, and can routinely engage women outside of the P4P realm. But as always, it is helpful to understand who and what you are dealing with.

[QUOTE=Engjoe;1930078]Anyone tried these people in Pattaya? Scam or do they deliver something close to what they offer? Thanks.

[URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Doesn't look like a scam but why would someone want to stick to one or max two girls for a week in a place like Pattaya where thousands of options are available. Mind you it's not really cheap at 899 EUR for a week. And there is a risk involved as you are staying with someone 24 hrs of the day for at least 3 days and you don't know if the chemistry will be right between the two of you. I would not take such an offer. After all why should you eat the same dish for a week when so many different different varieties are available on the menu?

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1930820]Doesn't look like a scam but why would someone want to stick to one or max two girls for a week in a place like Pattaya where thousands of options are available. Mind you it's not really cheap at 899 EUR for a week. And there is a risk involved as you are staying with someone 24 hrs of the day for at least 3 days and you don't know if the chemistry will be right between the two of you. I would not take such an offer. After all why should you eat the same dish for a week when so many different different varieties are available on the menu?[/QUOTE]Most times I am a boring monger. I prefer one beautiful women for one week. Not seven beautiful women, one for every day. Remenber guys, we are different. I would never pay upfront 899 euros for a women I never seen before. What if you don't like her? What to do. It is also way to expensive. Come to this place. Go find a women you like. Then stay with her. That is very easy and it is so much cheaper.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.

Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.

I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?[/QUOTE]Most Thai ladies go to either Hua Hin or Phuket or Rayong Beach. The beach close to Pattaya is Jomtien Beach. Great for windsurfing if the wind blows and grilled shrimps on the beach. Pattaya does not have a very good reputation in Thailand. Tomuch crime, Russians and WG's.

RL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1929853]I'm down on Soi 6. Just ran into the Songkran Muncher. LOL. That dude is crazy. Guess that is why his name is Crazy Ben. He said he was on TV in 30 countires.

Me and my buddy just came into a bar. He tells the girl let's go upstairs. I said what the fuck dude. You never ask prices. He said I know. I said man don't do that shit. So he asks the girl how much and she says 300 for room and 1000 for her. Immediately I said no way that is too much. She said how much then. I said 700. She said okay. Then my friend said 500. I started laughing and said man 700 is the right price. Now he is upstairs with the chick. Easy Breasy.[/QUOTE]Good to know.

Although I've never gotten a girl on Soi 6 to agree to 500 b recently, I have gotten it for 700 b on many occasions. Didn't know any girls would still accept 500 as that was few yrs back. Guessing some girls are hungry and won't try to cheat an experienced monger.

I've always said it, can't hurt to ask for lower prices as many will go lower if asked.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930779]It was just a simple question, and if you do not have the answer, then you need not respond. I was not aware that TF exclusively catered to punters, not was Facebook a site for P4P hookups. Some of us still have our game on, and can routinely engage women outside of the P4P realm. But as always, it is helpful to understand who and what you are dealing with.[/QUOTE]TF is not the site I was referring to. You are hanging out on ISG which caters to P4 P and you are discussing the red flags that you raise when girls show signs of being a working girl.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population.[/QUOTE]Everything is relative. If you have never been to a beach in your life then would Pattaya beach seem so bad to you? I have been to the beaches of Barranquilla Colombia and those of the Maldives. I am sure if someone from Barranquilla came to Pattaya then they would think the beach was that of a refreshing paradise, whereas a person from Maldives would consider it shitty. Also, do not forget that just off the coast of Pattaya there is Coral Island that has the nice Samae beach. And Pattaya is definitely more geographically and financially easier to get to than the 12 hours of taking a taxi, plane, bus, AND boat to get to Koh Tao.

Of course normal people come to Pattaya. People from Bangkok own half the condos here and come down some weekends. How do you explain the traffic going from 20 all week long to 100 late Friday afternoon? My ex girlfriend from Bangkok is a teacher and was down here a couple of months ago for vacation and from the pictures she sent me, she was staying at a rather nice hotel. (I chose not to see her because for years I had begged her to come visit me in Pattaya and she always had excuses. So when she finally came herself on vacation that ship had sailed.)

I have another friend from Bangkok who works at a travel company and comes down sometimes to try out hotels before they recommend them to customers. My girl from Laem Chabang is next to me right now. She came here Thursday evening after work to see me and buy something for her mom at the mall. She went back for work on Friday and came back again when she got off. Today we are supposed to go to the waterpark with a bunch of her friends who will also be in town.

Even though these cases exist, you must remember that these are educated people with jobs. If a chick with a 5th grade education from bum fuck Esan was claiming to come here for vacation then I would have to doubt the veracity of that. More than likely she would be coming here in search of work, whatever type it may be. [QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493] And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang?[/QUOTE]When you were 23 how many 58 year old women did you have the hots for? [QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.[/QUOTE]Why would you have red flags because of someone taking a picture in front of a public sign? My mom, aunts, dad, and stepmom all have pictures in front of the same sign.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways.[/QUOTE]I still haven't really figured this one out yet. I have been to Phuket, Krabi, and Koh Tao and have yet to see vacationing Thai people (other than the girl that was with me).

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930493]One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.[/QUOTE]Well, we all know that a lot of the bargirls in Pattaya hails from the Isaan rice paddies and it should be no surprise that girls (even when not on The Game) are more likely to go to Pattaya as well because they probably know someone already living there.

And of course, those visitors may combine pleasure and business as well. I see nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1930935]TF is not the site I was referring to. You are hanging out on ISG which caters to P4 P and you are discussing the red flags that you raise when girls show signs of being a working girl.[/QUOTE]Correct, and the topic was recognizing girls who were involved in P4P relationships. Not much of a conflict there, huh? Now, do you have any answer to my original question? Or were you just bored and desperately needed to post something?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1931156]Correct, and the topic was recognizing girls who were involved in P4P relationships. Not much of a conflict there, huh? Now, do you have any answer to my original question? Or were you just bored and desperately needed to post something?[/QUOTE]I have corresponded with a few girls on Date Hookup. I have found most of them to be legit girls not in the p4 p business, or at least not interested in an older man for whatever reasons. The ones who I continued to talk with all hated any kind of sex talk, at least at the beginning. So one way to tell who the legit girls are is to see how they respond to sex talk. If you make a minor flirt and they get upset at you, them claiming they are NOT a bar girl and that you better shut up, then that is a good sign they are legit. If you are able to quickly ratchet up the sex talk and they don' t get upset, then that should be a good sign they are looking for money.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1930445]

So that's my take on it. I am a BKK big city kind of guy who mainly goes to Pattaya once every couple of years for a change a scenery and the opportunity to hit some different Go Go girls in some different Go Go's than the usual places I like. I wish the Pattaya massage joints were BKK quality, but they are not, so I don't waste my money with those. in summary, Pattaya is mainly Go Go central and Ibar for me with maybe a couple of smaller bars thrown in for good measure. I always have a good time though and meet some great girls.[/QUOTE]Figured as much as you were pretty much ripping on everything Pattaya has to offer. I'm the reverse, I'll do BKK but prefer the laid back atmosphere of Pattaya. GoGo prices are about the same but even if you have to pay a bit extra in Pattaya your breaking even on the cost of the drinks and being able to search out twice as many clubs for the same amount money in BKK. But at least you say you come down every few years, there are those who just refuse to leave the big city of BKK.

If you don't walk beach road all that often, twice a night if not more, then you won't spot the better looking talent that gets grabbed up fast. Beach road isn't loaded with them but there's always a good 5 to 10 that are promising. And there's always that one that was spectacular but got grabbed five feet before you could get there. On all of my trips I've repeated with a few beach road girls that come over in the afternoon when its too hot for a nice siesta.

Same comment for soi 6, if you don't take the time to stop and have a drink every 100 feet you'll miss the better lookers who are upstairs when you decided to walk by. I'll pick a bar with a few cute girls and scope out the other bars nearby. Make an excuse to run down the road for some food to take some quick looks.

What I hate about BKK is everything is so far apart. Want a good oil massage, hop on the bts and head down to soi 23 area. Want a good soapy, head up north via the overcrowded mrt line, hit a disco head to one of the many scattered all over. With Pattaya you can do gogo's, disco's, massage's, beer bars for a quick ten baht ride down the road.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1931156]Correct, and the topic was recognizing girls who were involved in P4P relationships. Not much of a conflict there, huh? Now, do you have any answer to my original question? Or were you just bored and desperately needed to post something?[/QUOTE]Okay Mr. Red Flags. I'll try again since this is completely above your pay grade it seems. Why are you using the term red flags? Is your plan to find a girlfriend or freebie? Are you against the chance your super sweet internet darling may actually be a working girl? My advice and answer to your question is who cares! If you like her, go out with her. On the other hand, I completely understand, this hobby is not cheap these days. Goodbye Charlie!

I am visiting Pattaya for the first time, and got a chance to walk around Walking Street from 8 PM or so. I've benefited from the reports of others, so here's my short contribution. Hopefully some will find it to be of help.

General Observations:

1) 8 PM is too early for much action, and there are thousands of Chinese tourists walking around in groups with their tour leaders holding identifiable flags. A bit weird, and I also saw a few families with kids walking around.

2) A few good places to eat, and I ended up at one of the seafood places, and had lobster, quite good!

3) Tried the side bars with cheap beer, coconut juice, etc.

Bars:

1) Baccara had a nice lineup of about 100 girls on two floors, mostly Asian customers. I was able to get in because I'm Asian, but saw hardly any farangs, Indians, or other nationalities. Half of the girls are "hostesses" who can be bar-fined but do not dance. I stayed around for 30 min just observing, got a drink, and then visiting other bars, but eventually came back to Baccara as the lineup was so good. I didn't know the process of how to go about bar-fining someone, but saw what others were doing (basically calling out their number or pointing to them to a waitress or waiter). One of the hostesses with her friend came by, and flirted around with me. Got them a drink each, and then bar-fined the quieter one who looked a bit younger than the other girl, who was talkative and fun-going. In retrospect, I probably should have gone with the chatting talkative one, but more on that later. So I agreed to the bar-fine of 1000 bhats and ST for 2000 bhats. We go to a ST hotel down the road, which was 390 bhats. This girl changed into regular clothes, and we took off for the ST-hotel in the corner. Decent room and all. The girl was quite a bit shorter than her appearance, no more than 4 ft 10 in. She probably had very high heels, and I was sitting down so didn't notice. Anyway, the session left a lot to be desired. She was ticklish even to minimal kissing on the neck, and obviously no mouth kissing. BJ was covered, and only lasted a minute or two. Covered FS was a bit lame, as she claimed I was "too big" LOL. Tried a few standard positions and I finished with a self-HJ and she was careful I shot into the towel rather than mess up the bed. No chance of CIM, COF, or COT. Oddly, she had the gall to ask for a tip afterward? I politely refused. She took off back to Bacarat and I headed to Insomnia.

2) Insomnia was completely packed by now, they opened at 10 PM. A few lookers, high guy to girl ratio, and there is a good mix of variety here, but I had a hard time figuring out who was working and who is available. The music was blasting so didn't get a chance to talk to any girls in particular. The ones that made eye contact were not to my liking, and the ones I were interested in never made eye contact. A good place for diversity, as I saw people of all different colors.

3) Walked in and out of Airport Bar, Alcatraz, and a couple of others. Much less crowded that Bacarat, decent atmosphere but not to my liking. I still sat for a few minutes and bought a beer at each place.

4) Sensations Bar was another popular one, and I ended my night visiting with another short cute Thai girl who made good eye contact and I subsequently asked her to visit for a drink. Good vibe, playful attitude, although her English is almost non-existent. She tried to use some translation app, but not really that helpful. But she was a cutie, natural be's, nice slim body, and still quite short, maybe a tad over 5 feet. Ironically, she takes me to the same ST hotel, where the two young girls working at the counter was just giggling over how I was just there. Paid my $390 plus $20 for a condom, and off we went on the same routine. This was a much better experience, as she initiated some kissing which led to some more DFK. She was hoping that I was "not too big" and then after some foreplay and junior being at full staff, again she said I was "very big" - LOL. If nothing else, visiting Pattaya is a good ego boost! Lots more interaction here, and I was able to get her relaxed and enjoying the session, as she opened up quite a bit and was compelely wet and moaning the whole time we were going at it in MISH, then CG, then doggie, and back to MISH where I finished in the cover. This was past midnight. I barfined her at 1000 and she initially asked for $2000ST. Friendly girl, has a couple of non-distracting tattoos on her forearm and shoulder, otherwise a cutie, about a 7.5 on both body and face. We were both hungry so I offered to take her to dinner, which she gladly accepted.

A fun overall experience. Pattaya is a mongering heaven, and the only limitations are your wallet and how many shots you can get off in a night.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1931156]Correct, and the topic was recognizing girls who were involved in P4P relationships. Not much of a conflict there, huh? Now, do you have any answer to my original question? Or were you just bored and desperately needed to post something?[/QUOTE]That's rich! Dude, people were genuinely trying to help you!

Why talk down to those whose help you asked for?

If you didn't like the feedback, POV and / or suggestions then just do your thing.

People here don't work for you and you can't talk down to people whose help you asked for in the first place!

Learning requires taking in information, processing it, and using an iterative feedback loop.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1930774]Thanks, Mr. ENT. The monthly price seems decent (I assume you get that price without having to sign a LT contract?). And if you use it a minimum of 5 times in a month, you break even vs. The daily price.

Now, the important question is: is there AC indoors? If yes, I will surely join on my next visit.[/QUOTE]This isn't a new place but more of a reopening of a place previously defunct. I walked by this place many times when it was closed for business. And it looks pretty big. I'd be really surprised if it didn't have AC.

I think the price is reasonable. I may join too next trip if I stay at a different place than my current condo (which has a small gym) . We can be workout buddies. I can spot you! 555.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931447]This isn't a new place but more of a reopening of a place previously defunct. I walked by this place many times when it was closed for business. And it looks pretty big. I'd be really surprised if it didn't have AC.

I think the price is reasonable. I may join too next trip if I stay at a different place than my current condo (which has a small gym) . We can be workout buddies. I can spot you! 555.[/QUOTE]Haha. Sure thing Uncle V. I dunno about spotting though. I stick primarily with aerobics. And a wee bit of resistance stuff.

You are way younger than me. My man! 😭👍

[QUOTE=Haven123;1931464]Haha. Sure thing Uncle V. I dunno about spotting though. I stick primarily with aerobics. And a wee bit of resistance stuff.

You are way younger than me. My man! 😭👍[/QUOTE]I get enough aerobics int eh loom with my girls.

555.

Will be good to see you if you are back in January. PM your travel details once you get your itinerary together. I will probably be there after New Years.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1931289]Figured as much as you were pretty much ripping on everything Pattaya has to offer. I'm the reverse, I'll do BKK but prefer the laid back atmosphere of Pattaya. GoGo prices are about the same but even if you have to pay a bit extra in Pattaya your breaking even on the cost of the drinks and being able to search out twice as many clubs for the same amount money in BKK. But at least you say you come down every few years, there are those who just refuse to leave the big city of BKK.

If you don't walk beach road all that often, twice a night if not more, then you won't spot the better looking talent that gets grabbed up fast. Beach road isn't loaded with them but there's always a good 5 to 10 that are promising. And there's always that one that was spectacular but got grabbed five feet before you could get there. On all of my trips I've repeated with a few beach road girls that come over in the afternoon when its too hot for a nice siesta.

Same comment for soi 6, if you don't take the time to stop and have a drink every 100 feet you'll miss the better lookers who are upstairs when you decided to walk by. I'll pick a bar with a few cute girls and scope out the other bars nearby. Make an excuse to run down the road for some food to take some quick looks.

What I hate about BKK is everything is so far apart. Want a good oil massage, hop on the bts and head down to soi 23 area. Want a good soapy, head up north via the overcrowded mrt line, hit a disco head to one of the many scattered all over. With Pattaya you can do gogo's, disco's, massage's, beer bars for a quick ten baht ride down the road.[/QUOTE]I don't think Natty has been ripping on Pattya. He has posted many times singing its praises as well. He just prefers BKK.

Like you I like BKK but prefer Patts. Mostly because the scene is more concentrated, a bit cheaper, and (most importantly) because of Ibar / Insomnia (my bread and butter). There is nothing really like it in BKK, where FL disco girls are older, less attractive, and more expensive.

I like BKK for the vibrant city, food, and shopping. Also the possibility of hooking up with a non-pro via the internet. Just to mix things up. In these things it has Pattaya beat.

Good morning Breadman, allow me to set the record straight. I had no intention in my previous post to rip on Pattaya. I think Pattaya is still a pretty amazing place. But some destination has to be numero uno and for me that destination is BKK. My critique, if you want to call it that, is that Pattaya is mainly Go Go land and it lacks the variety and depth that BKK offers up with very high quality Soapies, great afternoon oily massage options, high end G-Clubs, and some of my favorite Go Go's. That said, I readily concur that some of the best Go Go's in the world are located in Pattaya and over many trips I have pulled amazing talent from What's Up, Sensations, Sapphire, Airport, Happy, Pepperment, and Super Girl. I also like Ibar. BKK falls short on anything comparable to Ibar. So despite all its faults, I think Walking Street and LK Metro Pattaya are very impressive red lights and Pattaya has a lot to offer. Its too bad about the sea water quality.

I want to check out Kinnaree. BBoi's suggestions were very useful. And I always like to take a stroll up and down the 6 between 5:30 and 6:30 pm. Sadly I only occasionally find some girl of interest. I get your suggestion, but it does not fit into my style of punting. I would be happy to spend more time on the 6 and become more immersed in the local bar culture if the bars sold something that is available in Amsterdam Coffee shops. 555. But I don't start drinking until later on (Tequila only) when I am with my love interest of the night. That is just my style.

I thought long and hard about taking a side trip down to Pattaya on my next trip. I am due to go back to Pat. Fall 2015, about a year ago, was my last visit and I had a great time, but for my next trip I opted instead for 4 plus weeks in BKK interspersed with a visa run to Phnom Penh. Overall I think Pattaya is a much better sporting town than Phnom, but I do enjoy the differences between Thai and Cambodia girls. Khmer girls can be quite fetching and lovely. I have already alerted my favorite 104 street hostess girl of my impending visit and she says she is looking forward to taking good care of me. I am looking forward to that too.

I will also be heading to Jakarta and Manila for my annual 2 week side trips in each city. Neither of these 2 major Asian megalopolises are as user friendly or as easy to navigate as BKK. The bars and bordellos in Jakarta, for example, are spread far apart. There is no Sukhumvit equivalent bar crawling area and it can take up to an hour to taxi from one amazing bordello to a great FL pick up bar to another amazing bordello, but the girls are so Oh La La, that it is worth the trouble and inconvenience to me. So my point here is that LOS is still #1 despite everything. There is just no place better in all of Asia taking everything into consideration like girls (of course), ease of access, hotel accommodations, food, relative safety, and culture, but other Asian destinations offer a lot too and I love the diversity. Next trip, the one after this one, I will return to Pattaya. I am looking forward to it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1931625]Good morning Breadman, allow me to set the record straight. I had no intention in my previous post to rip on Pattaya. I think Pattaya is still a pretty amazing place. But some destination has to be numero uno and for me that destination is BKK. My critique, if you want to call it that, is that Pattaya is mainly Go Go land and it lacks the variety and depth that BKK offers up with very high quality Soapies, great afternoon oily massage options, high end G-Clubs, and some of my favorite Go Go's. [/QUOTE]I think the question that should really be asked is what city gives you the maximum value of your time. Bangkok just doesn't seem to get going until later in the evening. Yes, the oil massage joints are an option but everything else is limited. What do you do in Bangkok in the morning and early afternoon that really sets up a vacation? In Pattaya you have the beach, tons of massage shops to relax in, tons of beer bar options for hanging out and drinking on a budget. And everything is easy access, either a short baht bus ride or a short walk away. Not so in Bangkok. Want to grab a few beers and play a couple games of pool in Pattaya, that will set you back 400 baht. In Bangkok its more likely going to run you 1200 baht.

So the question is what exactly is this variety and depth that Bkk offers that you are talking about?

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya;1931588]I don't think Natty has been ripping on Pattya. He has posted many times singing its praises as well. He just prefers BKK. Like you I like BKK but prefer Patts. Mostly because the scene is more concentrated, a bit cheaper, and (most importantly) because of Ibar / Insomnia (my bread and butter). There is nothing really like it in BKK, where FL disco girls are older, less attractive, and more expensive. I like BKK for the vibrant city, food, and shopping. Also the possibility of hooking up with a non-pro via the internet. Just to mix things up. In these things it has Pattaya beat.[/QUOTE]

Non pro's are all over the place, question is do you have the time for playing the game. And what is it with hobbiests talking about shopping? Do you really shop in the malls or are you on the lookout for non pro's? If your shopping to shop I really have to question the 'need' to buy socks when you could be getting a blowjob from a blowjob bar or a handjob from an attractive massage girl. If your trying to interact with non pro's at the mall then go hit the malls with my approval. But if you just spent 25 hours flying to Bangkok and want to spend 2 hours out of your day walking around buying socks, shoes or whatever I really have to question this time waster. Its safe to say that 99% of the guys here don't see a mall and say to themselves 'lets go shopping' instead of stopping into that bar full of cute girls.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1930774]Thanks, Mr. ENT. The monthly price seems decent (I assume you get that price without having to sign a LT contract?). And if you use it a minimum of 5 times in a month, you break even vs. The daily price.

Now, the important question is: is there AC indoors? If yes, I will surely join on my next visit.[/QUOTE]The answer is. Yes and no. The downstairs is a Muay Thai boxing ring, and it is not air conditioned. The second floor has 2 sections; the one with all of the cardio machines (treadmills, etc.) and a few exercise machines is air conditioned. The other half of the upstairs with the balance of the exercise machines and most of the free weights and more serious body building machines is not air conditioned, but it does have some fans to blow the hot air around. But it's a beautiful facility with all brand new state of the art equipment, and I sure loved using it last Wednesday. It was open to the public with no admission charge for a trial run last week.

[QUOTE=David2;1931677]The answer is. Yes and no. The downstairs is a Muay Thai boxing ring, and it is not air conditioned. The second floor has 2 sections; the one with all of the cardio machines (treadmills, etc.) and a few exercise machines is air conditioned. The other half of the upstairs with the balance of the exercise machines and most of the free weights and more serious body building machines is not air conditioned, but it does have some fans to blow the hot air around. But it's a beautiful facility with all brand new state of the art equipment, and I sure loved using it last Wednesday. It was open to the public with no admission charge for a trial run last week.[/QUOTE]Lifting weights with no AC sounds brutal. I won't have any energy left for boom boom after. 555.

I think I will have to give it a pass.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1931673] And what is it with hobbiests talking about shopping? If you just spent 25 hours flying to Bangkok and want to spend 2 hours out of your day walking around buying socks, shoes or whatever I really have to question this time waster. Its safe to say that 99% of the guys here don't see a mall and say to themselves 'lets go shopping' instead of stopping into that bar full of cute girls.[/QUOTE]That made me laugh. I completely agree! I understand buying some souvenirs for the fam, but actually shopping for stuff in Pattaya seems insane to me.

I absolutely hate shopping. I've never understood why girls like it.

On a different note, many of you have mentioned the go-go scene in Pattaya. I swear it's the reason I return every year. Seeing hundreds of naked girls makes me so happy. I'm still trying to figure out the best way to say no to a Lady Drink without feeling like a prick; any suggestions?

[QUOTE=RapidSky568;1929779]Got ripped off here last night. Bought girl a drink and when bill comes back it has 5 lady drinks on it. Figured I would post it as a warning to others. Been coming to walking Street for 5 years and never been ripped off like this. Girl goes by name of Ning. Her real name Navarat.[/QUOTE]No hidden ajenda here eh! Go post your crap elsewhere. Its funny how you bought a random girl one drink amd know her real name. Thanks for coming out mate.

[QUOTE=JeffZeke;1931372]I am visiting Pattaya for the first time, and got a chance to walk around Walking Street from 8 PM or so. I've benefited from the reports of others, so here's my short contribution. Hopefully some will find it to be of help.

General Observations:

1) 8 PM is too early for much action, and there are thousands of Chinese tourists walking around in groups with their tour leaders holding identifiable flags. A bit weird, and I also saw a few families with kids walking around.

2) A few good places to eat, and I ended up at one of the seafood places, and had lobster, quite good!

3) Tried the side bars with cheap beer, coconut juice, etc.

Bars:

1) Baccara had a nice lineup of about 100 girls on two floors, mostly Asian customers. I was able to get in because I'm Asian, but saw hardly any farangs, Indians, or other nationalities. Half of the girls are "hostesses" who can be bar-fined but do not dance..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the informative post bro. That is what I look for in this forum not all of the BS going on.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1929785]If she's not a working girl, why slip her 1000 or 2000 bht? Especially after springing for dinner and a movie. I don't usually pay a GF.[/QUOTE]He never stated that the girl had never accepted money for sex. She could have been a hooker full time or part time or in the semipro ambiguous category. These girls do go out on "dates" with men too, outside of their normal work. Their life does not consist only of eating, sleeping, and fucking.

I have certainly been to the movies and dinner with a PSE shop girl, in the past. Probably got sex too. It's not that unusual. I liked her. She probably liked me too or it would not have happened. She was looking to find the right man to take her away from it all. Did not turn out to be me.

A date does not imply she is in the exclusive GF category as yet. She maybe dating several guys.

If you fuck a hooker, it is presumptuous to try to do so for free, unless she specifically says that she is giving you a freebie, or no need to pay. If she is a hooker, she won't be insulted by the payment. Freebies have been known to occur though. Hookers can still enjoy sex, when they want to.

[QUOTE=JeffZeke;1931372]I am visiting Pattaya for the first time, and got a chance to walk around Walking Street from 8 PM or so. I've benefited from the reports of others, so here's my short contribution. Hopefully some will find it to be of help.

General Observations:

1) 8 PM is too early for much action, and there are thousands of Chinese tourists walking around in groups with their tour leaders holding identifiable flags. A bit weird, and I also saw a few families with kids walking around.

2) A few good places to eat, and I ended up at one of the seafood places, and had lobster, quite good!

3) Tried the side bars with cheap beer, coconut juice, etc.

Bars:

1) Baccara had a nice lineup of about 100 girls on two floors, mostly Asian customers. I was able to get in because I'm Asian, but saw hardly any farangs, Indians, or other nationalities. Half of the girls are "hostesses" who can be bar-fined but do not dance. I stayed around for 30 min just observing, got a drink, and then visiting other bars, but eventually came back to Baccara as the lineup was so good. I didn't know the process of how to go about bar-fining someone, but saw what others were doing (basically calling out their number or pointing to them to a waitress or waiter)..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report.

I am encouraged that the asking prices for some of the gogo's you went to were 2000 baht for short time.

I am sure there are some individuals who think that is too much, but girls were asking that range for 4-5 years now. Some of the gogo's I have been to, particularly around the Soi LK area, a few girls were expecting 3000 baht for short time.

Last time I went to Baccara, this girl I barfined for many years told me that the short time price was 2500 baht, but since I knew her for a while, she asked for 2000 short time.

As far as the sexual experience, sometimes you get a good one, sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired. But that is the way it goes with life and Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1932116]He never stated that the girl had never accepted money for sex. She could have been a hooker full time or part time or in the semipro ambiguous category. These girls do go out on "dates" with men too, outside of their normal work. Their life does not consist only of eating, sleeping, and fucking.

I have certainly been to the movies and dinner with a PSE shop girl, in the past. Probably got sex too. It's not that unusual. I liked her. She probably liked me too or it would not have happened. She was looking to find the right man to take her away from it all. Did not turn out to be me.

A date does not imply she is in the exclusive GF category as yet. She maybe dating several guys.

If you fuck a hooker, it is presumptuous to try to do so for free, unless she specifically says that she is giving you a freebie, or no need to pay. If she is a hooker, she won't be insulted by the payment. Freebies have been known to occur though. Hookers can still enjoy sex, when they want to.[/QUOTE]The original poster stated he went on sites like Thai Friendly looking for regular women to go out with, not working girls.

Thus my question.

If a guy wants to go out on dates with a working girl and then pay for it, that is up to him and her. But that is not what the man said he was looking for.

[QUOTE=CricketDick;1931921]Thanks for the informative post bro. That is what I look for in this forum not all of the BS going on.[/QUOTE]Thanks bro, I learned a lot from other posters, so just wanted to contribute. Pattaya is a fun experience and should be on everyone's bucketlist.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1932305]Thank you for the report.

I am encouraged that the asking prices for some of the gogo's you went to were 2000 baht for short time.

I am sure there are some individuals who think that is too much, but girls were asking that range for 4-5 years now. Some of the gogo's I have been to, particularly around the Soi LK area, a few girls were expecting 3000 baht for short time.

Last time I went to Baccara, this girl I barfined for many years told me that the short time price was 2500 baht, but since I knew her for a while, she asked for 2000 short time.

As far as the sexual experience, sometimes you get a good one, sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired. But that is the way it goes with life and Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I had a decent time, and understand you can't win 'them all. I'm also an experienced monger, so it takes quite a bit of GFE to get me going. I can detect any girl just going through the motion or trying hard to get a quick release. Won't be happening, LOL!

I visited Pattaya a few months ago! Prices are so expensive in comparison with 5 years ago!

Giving 3,000 baht for a ST to a Thai girl is a madness, please don't do that. To me the right price is 1,000 !

Go-go bars women have become more expensive than the ones in any brothels around Europe. 800 up for bar fine plus 2.500 up for the ST. Absolutely not recommended. In Thai Friendly many girls around 1000 - 1.500 for ST. Beach road still 1000 easy.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933141]Giving 3,000 baht for a ST to a thai girl is a madness, please don't do that. To me the right price is 1,000 !

Go-go bars women have become more expensive than the ones in any brothels around Europe. 800 up for bar fine plus 2. 500 up for the ST. Absolutely not recommended. In Thai Friendly many girls around 1000 - 1. 500 for ST. Beach road still 1000 easy.[/QUOTE]Some love the Go Go's. Some don't!

The problem with what some guys pay is mainly one of experience and time.

If this is their first or second time. Or they can only be off from work for 1-2 trips a year (Thailand and / or other dest combined) these guys are in a jam.

And, IF they cannot get more than a week off work (or less. Say just 3-5 days) , then these guys are faced with learning curve disadvantage and time constraint (and some budget constraint. Meaning they can only afford say a 5 day trip in addition to 2 travel days).

Guys who find themselves in this situation and say are very quickly on their last 48 hrs of a short visit will optimize differently. They've paid a lot for the travel and hotel already, their vacation days are mostly up... in a hurry. So they are now faced with either paying another $100-$150 a day for the last 2 nights vs not! And that's on top of at least $750-$1500 they have already spent in air , hotel etc for their short visit.

Statistically, the majority of visitors to Pattaya are only there for less than a week, often 5 days or less. After 48 hours, they realize, heck I've only got 3 days to go! Got to make the best of it. That's the Logic!

My next trip is for 5 weeks and then there are guys like BBoi who if I remember right maybe for 6 months. And folks like Mr ENT who is in and out and has a LT apt there. But these are the small minority. But even I act and decision differently on the last 2-3 days vs the first 20-30 days.

And , If I was girl working there I too would learn very quickly to focus on the guys who are quick turn around visitors and take the max I can. After all, from their POV it looks like there are many thousands of suckers born everyday in Pattaya. That's how I would maximize for myself!

So, it's a tough situation if you are in a Go Go and they've already got you waste a few hours and spend say 500-1000 baht and there are say only 10-15 girls and 15-20 men.

The girls will always have a tomorrow with more suckers. But the quick tourist visitors have a ticking clock and after that they will be back in whatever shit hole they came from. Like India. Or prison county they came from like Norway or UK or Canada or you know where! Back in the USA! 👻.

As a result of all of the above 1 ) the majority of the guys will just focus on their short visit and optimize for themselves for the next 3 days ( without caring about anyone else or what will happen to prices and how it will affect things in the future) and 2) the girls will do what's in their immediate best interest based on where they are working , how they look vs other girl competition in their location , the number of guys in from of them and how much they absolutely need to make for the next few days besides what they make from the drinks guys buy for them. Neither side is thinking next month or next year. So, what you have is you have ..... The net result of this 2 party group and individual dynamic of time constraints , $ and optimization for each from their POV.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1933207]So, it's a tough situation if you are in a Go Go and they've already got you waste a few hours and spend say 500-1000 baht and there are say only 10-15 girls and 15-20 men.[/QUOTE]I can see you are not a gogo guy at all by this sentence. 500-1000 baht won't last 30 minutes in most gogo bars if you are buying ladydrinks. 10-15 girls? Sensations, Baccara, Happy on a good night have over 100 girls each, with FAR fewer men.

I search high and low for top optics. Skipping gogo clubs altogether makes no sense to a guy where looks is the highest priority.

Out of my current main girls, 5 are from gogo clubs, 3 from beer bars, 2 from Soi 6, and 3 from G- clubs. Also have 3 Thermae girls in BKK. Just met an amazing beer bar girl the other night who would rank #2 in the looks department. Personally, when I walk into iBar / Insomnia, 808, Mixx, Red Car, etc. I can't find any who are top optics.

Thought this info may be helpful for those planning a trip next year. Just my personal observation based on the venues I visit but these past 2 weeks I have noticed much fewer girls at almost all the Pattaya places. All June, July, and most of August seemed fine not significantly different than say March or November when I have previously been here.

[QUOTE=JeffZeke;1932751]I had a decent time, and understand you can't win 'them all. I'm also an experienced monger, so it takes quite a bit of GFE to get me going. I can detect any girl just going through the motion or trying hard to get a quick release. Won't be happening, LOL![/QUOTE]Same here. I like to have some connection with a girl for the evening. Nothing turns me off more than a girl who just goes through the motions in the bedroom, unfortunately sometimes you can't tell until you get to that point. The rushed feeling as she wants to quickly take a shower and wants to put on condom and do boom boom right away with no foreplay, that sense she'd rather just get through with it as fast as possible and be on her way.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1933281]I can see you are not a gogo guy at all by this sentence. 500-1000 baht won't last 30 minutes in most gogo bars if you are buying ladydrinks. 10-15 girls? Sensations, Baccara, Happy on a good night have over 100 girls each, with FAR fewer men.

I search high and low for top optics. Skipping gogo clubs altogether makes no sense to a guy where looks is the highest priority.

Out of my current main girls, 5 are from gogo clubs, 3 from beer bars, 2 from Soi 6, and 3 from G- clubs. Also have 3 Thermae girls in BKK. Just met an amazing beer bar girl the other night who would rank #2 in the looks department. Personally, when I walk into iBar / Insomnia, 808, Mixx, Red Car, etc. I can't find any who are top optics.[/QUOTE]I enjoy gogo's for their ambiance. There's nothing like going inside and seeing a lot of scantily dressed lasses dancing on stage, and having some of them approach you. Total ego boost for an old bastard like me. I enjoy the company, the little chit chat and things of that sort. I don't necessarily barfine from gogo's anymore.

I do enjoy other places like beer bars and especially Soi 6. I've seen quite a few lookers in all the six bars I've been to, girls who could easily have been in a gogo. To me, paying 1000 baht is a better risk to reward ratio than paying whatever gogo girls are asking these days. And there's no pretensions or fluff, you pay and go up to boom boom right away, so there's less of that feeling you were taken for a ride if you have a dud than if you barfined a gogo girl after buying her many drinks and she ends up being a dud.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1933289]Thought this info may be helpful for those planning a trip next year. Just my personal observation based on the venues I visit but these past 2 weeks I have noticed much fewer girls at almost all the Pattaya places. All June, July, and most of August seemed fine not significantly different than say March or November when I have previously been here.[/QUOTE]The calm before the storm. Hold on to your hat. High season starts in 4 days.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1933281]I can see you are not a gogo guy at all by this sentence. 500-1000 baht won't last 30 minutes in most gogo bars if you are buying ladydrinks. 10-15 girls? Sensations, Baccara, Happy on a good night have over 100 girls each, with FAR fewer men.

I search high and low for top optics. Skipping gogo clubs altogether makes no sense to a guy where looks is the highest priority.

Out of my current main girls, 5 are from gogo clubs, 3 from beer bars, 2 from Soi 6, and 3 from G- clubs. Also have 3 Thermae girls in BKK. Just met an amazing beer bar girl the other night who would rank #2 in the looks department. Personally, when I walk into iBar / Insomnia, 808, Mixx, Red Car, etc. I can't find any who are top optics.[/QUOTE]Haha. You are quite right B Boi! I am not a Go Go guy at all. I did try a few Go Gos on WS, LK Metro and Soi Cowboy (BKK). I did not last long in any of them. I bought a drink for myself, bought at least 1 drink in each place, everywhere I went, but never finished my drink and left. I had zero interest in any of the girls I saw. For 2-3 drinks (I never went past 3 drinks in total anywhere) it was never over 1000 baht total. I believe the lady drinks were between 180-240 baht depending on the place. And I probably ordered a beer, which I probably did not even consume 50 PC. That's cause I like just Cuba Libres and I love to move around and dance (when I am at Insomnia) usually from say 115 am until at least 6 am. I usually go through at least 6 Cubas there each night.

Yeah, we are all different. For one thing, I am a lot older than you now, being in my latter 50's. And, I like interacting with girls in a freer environment, compared to where they are working (with a mamasan supervising them and with whom I also have to interact), and where they have set hours, have to wear a specific uniform, and drinks they are required to sell.

At places like Insomnia or a regular Masaage place, things are bit different, and the girl has more freedom. And, I like legit massage places where they don't offer extras on site, but it's upto to you to see if you can get them to visit you. Same thing with places like Kinnaree, I would only take the girl out, LT.

But, if they have to work at 1 or 2 pm the next day, then they can't be with me 24*7, which is what I like. One girl said she could stay with me if I paid 400 baht a day, for her to miss work at a Restaurant / bar. Of course, since I liked her. I did. She never asked for anything and I gave her close to 10 K baht (for 3 days), plus meals, drinks and shopping outside of that. So, yeah. You and I come at this travel adventure thing from different angles and objectives. Just different. And so I am not being pejorative at all. Just different ways of adventuring and seeking whatever it is we like.

I hate sitting down and ogling women either topless or in a bikini. Does nothing for me! I used to. In my 20's and I liked it somewhat then. Those who know me can vouch for the fact that I never sit in a bar (even a sports bar in the US, unless I am there also to eat with others). I like dance clubs because I like to move around ALL THE TIME. Just sitting or standing in one place is just not something I like to do.

I like hanging in a place for a long time, dancing and enjoying the ambiance. I watch most of the women carefully over a long time to see how they talk, interact with others, the expressions on their face and consistency in personality. Optics are important, but what you call top optics is not as important to me. I look to decipher the person, the personality, kindness, consistency of behavior over time, and see if I can get a read on their humanity (or lack thereof).

The reason being I am not looking to keep score or tabs on quality. And instead focus on the totality (or the gestalt) of the experience since my plan 'a priori' is also to find a girl I would like to be with for several days. So, for example, last time I was in Pattaya (for 3 weeks), I only went with 6 girls. Only 3 I liked a lot and they all stayed with me for several days each. One was only 1 night and the other 2 days. One was a 20 year old massage girl who would stay overnight from 11 pm-2 pm and on those nights I did not go to Insomnia. I never do ST. I don't do Soi 6, other than to just walk around. I never actually went into a single beer bar.

I did go to many massage places but not the fish bowl kind (although I have done that before). This next time will be 5 weeks and I doubt I want to find more than 10 girls. And hope to find 4-5 keepers. I am hoping to find at least 3-4 massage girls from the non-fish bowl places. I never found anyone at any other clubs besides Insomnia. But, I may try to look harder this next time around.

Also, while I could spend more than I do, I try to spend conservatively, since I do have about $5 k of fixed expenses in the USA whether or not I am living any days in the USA. Same thing. I just finished a 18 day vacation to Maui in July / August, where I just chill, hang out in the resort, drink at the pool bar, get served by my lounge chair and I read and reflect and hit some really great restaurants and that costs me about $9-11 K every year. With my daughter. So zero girls! (So, I do strange things other than Pattaya and I've been in Maui, for about 30 something visits over the years.) In other words, I, unlike some others take a more wide angle view of living and adventuring. I will be doing that again for about 25 days in the DR when I visit the Puerto Plata and Cabarete area 3 weeks from now. For me, that is completely different. I have at least 50 new contacts and I have been conversing with them on various web sites for about 2 months now. I do things completely differently in the DR, including taking some of them to some truly outstanding all inclusive resorts for 3-4 nights, each. But, I only do that twice in 25 days and the rest in different beach town in a hotel or an apartment. Again, I take a wide angle approach to experiencing that sort of travel adventure.

So, I am never in a hurry. I am in for the adventure, meeting people of all kinds, learning and thinking, as I interact and contemplating macro things about life, and everything else. I am not just into optics. I am into meeting interesting human beings with a little bit of genuine humanity in their hearts.

None of this takes away from your approach. Since it is by definition just different, but in no way any less valid or any less appropriate. I am so very glad that we are all different and see, proactively and reactively probe and experience the reality of life that is front of us, and everything in it, in a way that we each prefer best, at that specific time and place, I. E. Our 4 D universe.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933141]Giving 3,000 baht for a ST to a thai girl is a madness, please don't do that. To me the right price is 1,000 !
[/QUOTE]Interesting.

I like a Ferrari car and for me the right price is 10000 EUR. I don't understand why the Ferrari dealer doesn't sell me one at the right price for me. It must be that some clueless buyers have been overpaying in that market.

How successful are you in getting a hot agogo girl for 1000 baht? (I assume that includes the barfine and some drinks for her too).

:)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1933314]The calm before the storm. Hold on to your hat. High season starts in 4 days.[/QUOTE]Interesting you say that. Booking dot com just sent me an email and next week the Pattaya hotels are dirt cheap for low season. Not sure why you think next week is the start of high season, it's not.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933141]Giving 3,000 baht for a ST to a thai girl is a madness, please don't do that. To me the right price is 1,000 !

Go-go bars women have become more expensive than the ones in any brothels around Europe. 800 up for bar fine plus 2. 500 up for the ST. Absolutely not recommended. In Thai Friendly many girls around 1000 - 1. 500 for ST. Beach road still 1000 easy.[/QUOTE]Ya, I agree. If you want the lady to look like her face was run over by a truck! Good god man, have you gone mad? I paid 3,500 for my last one but she was the owner of the truck that ran over the ugly girls face.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1933207]Some love the Go Go's. Some don't!

The problem with what some guys pay is mainly one of experience and time.

If this is their first or second time. Or they can only be off from work for 1-2 trips a year (Thailand and / or other dest combined) these guys are in a jam.

And, IF they cannot get more than a week off work (or less. Say just 3-5 days) , then these guys are faced with learning curve disadvantage and time constraint (and some budget constraint. Meaning they can only afford say a 5 day trip in addition to 2 travel days).

Guys who find themselves in this situation and say are very quickly on their last 48 hrs of a short visit will optimize differently. They've paid a lot for the travel and hotel already, their vacation days are mostly up... in a hurry. So they are now faced with either paying another $100-$150 a day for the last 2 nights vs not! And that's on top of at least $750-$1500 they have already spent in air , hotel etc for their short visit.

Statistically, the majority of visitors to Pattaya are only there for less than a week, often 5 days or less. After 48 hours, they realize, heck I've only got 3 days to go! Got to make the best of it. That's the Logic!

My next trip is for 5 weeks and then there are guys like BBoi who if I remember right maybe for 6 months. And folks like Mr ENT who is in and out and has a LT apt there. But these are the small minority. But even I act and decision differently on the last 2-3 days vs the first 20-30 days.

And , If I was girl working there I too would learn very quickly to focus on the guys who are quick turn around visitors and take the max I can. After all, from their POV it looks like there are many thousands of suckers born everyday in Pattaya. That's how I would maximize for myself!

So, it's a tough situation if you are in a Go Go and they've already got you waste a few hours and spend say 500-1000 baht and there are say only 10-15 girls and 15-20 men.

The girls will always have a tomorrow with more suckers. But the quick tourist visitors have a ticking clock and after that they will be back in whatever shit hole they came from. Like India. Or prison county they came from like Norway or UK or Canada or you know where! Back in the USA! 👻.

As a result of all of the above 1 ) the majority of the guys will just focus on their short visit and optimize for themselves for the next 3 days ( without caring about anyone else or what will happen to prices and how it will affect things in the future) and 2) the girls will do what's in their immediate best interest based on where they are working , how they look vs other girl competition in their location , the number of guys in from of them and how much they absolutely need to make for the next few days besides what they make from the drinks guys buy for them. Neither side is thinking next month or next year. So, what you have is you have ..... The net result of this 2 party group and individual dynamic of time constraints , $ and optimization for each from their POV.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that Charlie! Yawn!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1933367]Ya, I agree. If you want the lady to look like her face was run over by a truck! Good god man, have you gone mad? I paid 3,500 for my last one but she was the owner of the truck that ran over the ugly girls face.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that, Dog. I think people here get you now. You are a superior human being.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1933207]Some love the Go Go's. Some don't!

The problem with what some guys pay is mainly one of experience and time.[/QUOTE]If I were a short time holiday tourist I would go to Soi 6 instead of those expensive go-go's. Lot of beautiful girls in soi 6, you get what you pay, 300-350 for the room, 1000 for the girl and sometime 1000 total. Kinnaree in Jomtien is a good place too. Saturday and Sunday many beauties from Bangkok, price is 300 for the room and 1000 for the girl, plus you have a free buffet and atmosphere is very farang's friendly.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1933367]Ya, I agree. If you want the lady to look like her face was run over by a truck! Good god man, have you gone mad? I paid 3,500 for my last one but she was the owner of the truck that ran over the ugly girls face.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say but you are the reason why girls in Pattaya and Bangkok have became spoiled and rude just as the western women. 3,500 baht for a short time is simply ridiculous. I think you are the one gone mad! It's not about the kind of girls but where do you get them. I give an example. Most of the beauties working in Soi 6 go to Insomnia disco later. What the difference? Difference is that in soi 6 they get a poor monger like me paying 1000 baht for a short time, while in Insomnia they're looking for somebody like you who don't mind to pay 3. 500 baht pretending to find the "owner of the truck".

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933354]Interesting.

I like a Ferrari car and for me the right price is 10000 EUR. I don't understand why the Ferrari dealer doesn't sell me one at the right price for me. It must be that some clueless buyers have been overpaying in that market.

How successful are you in getting a hot agogo girl for 1000 baht? (I assume that includes the barfine and some drinks for her too)...[/QUOTE]First of all you should have read what I have written more accurately . I did not say I would pay 1000 baht for a gogo girl, I just say I don't want to go there because most of these girls are not so special comparing girls you can find everywhere. To me spending 3. 500 baht or more for 1 hour of sex with one of these pattaya girls is a waste of money.

If I want to buy a Ferrari I will go to an authorized-legit dealer, a place where I can get what I've paid for.

If I want to pay 3. 000 baht or more for a top girl I won't look in Pattaya, or at Therme, Soi Nana, etc. etc. There are many VIP clubs in Bangkok loaded of Univ. Girls. Then I'm going to pay 5 or even more thousand baht for a ST. Pegasus was one of these clubs, it's still there but not so good like before.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933500]Sorry to say but you are the reason why girls in Pattaya and Bangkok have becomed spoiled and rude just as the western women. 3,500 baht for a short time is simply ridiculous. I think you are the one gone mad! It's not about the kind of girls but where do you get them. I give an example. Most of the beauties working in Soi 6 go to Insomnia disco later. What the difference? Difference is that in soi 6 they get a poor monger like me paying 1000 baht for a short time, while in Insomnia they're looking for somebody like you who don't mind to pay 3. 500 baht pretending to find the "owner of the truck".[/QUOTE]The difference is I'm with a 10/10 white skinned girl no baby, and 20-22, not a soi 6 lady working at Insomnia after her shift in Soi 6. Here, let me give you an example. I met this lady on Facebook. We haven't met in person yet, but it's soon to be. She won't be 1,000 Baht, that's for sure.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933509]First of all you should have read what I have written more accurately . I did not say I would pay 1000 baht for a gogo girl, I just say I don't want to go there because most of these girls are not so special comparing girls you can find everywhere. To me spending 3. 500 baht or more for 1 hour of sex with one of these pattaya girls is a waste of money.

If I want to buy a Ferrari I will go to an authorized-legit dealer, a place where I can get what I've paid for.

If I want to pay 3. 000 baht or more for a top girl I won't look in Pattaya, or at Therme, Soi Nana, etc. etc. There are many VIP clubs in Bangkok loaded of Univ. Girls. Then I'm going to pay 5 or even more thousand baht for a ST. Pegasus was one of these clubs, it's still there but not so good like before.[/QUOTE]You actually said quite clearly you would never spend more than 1,000 Baht for a go go girl and you gave examples of places where you could spend that money and still get a girl of the same callibur. All we are saying is for 1,000 Baht you won't get a stunner. Simple and easy to understand I think.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1933314]The calm before the storm. Hold on to your hat. High season starts in 4 days.[/QUOTE]I am returning in October and am getting the same rate for a room I in stayed in August in LK, Soi 12. Their rates are changing in November. Don't think high season is starting now. Room rates are a good indicator of when the season crowd is expected.

I am new in this forum and I don't really like to write here, because it is a little bit strange here and also difficult to find anything. LOL it needs to take a month holiday to read this tons of long story.

And what a much of BS is wrote here. Oh my god. Why nobody clear it up and leads the user a bit more?

But I can't hold back now and need to write some words to this payments of girls and mindless comparing with Ferrari car. And so on. Many girls in gogos don't look that much better, than girls in disco, freelancer, shopping mall or where else, and many have a bad service too exactly that's why they work in gogo. They prefer high prices and quick fuck, means ST. This is the best way to get big money and use the silly farangs. And also with this classification of girls, this one is a 6 or a 8 or a 10 and so on, where is this Brad Pitt or Elvis who can decide that? Everybody has his own taste, as example I am very picky and my girls need to be a stunner, so I think many of your choices of girls with 6 or 8 I maybe would not fuck for free!

I travel since many years to BKK and Patty and I know the reality.

Pricing for a working girl should have nothing to do with the standard in our rich home country, and it doesn't matter if someone can afford higher prices, this is just stupid. Just think about the money in our currency, in Dollar or Euro, and not in Baht!

Pricing should depends on the life standards of the country. In Thailand for a good work they earn about 400,- EUR for 1 month. So how can anybody pay for a working girl 50-75 EUR for just 1 hour Short time or about 100-150 EUR for 1 Longtime?? What a crazy and silly thing! One stunner girl from a bar in Patty told me, that's some days she can have 3 times short time with farangs in 1 evening / night and earn 10.000 Baht, about 250,- Euro in 1 evening. This is abnormal and the opposite of the own country standard.

And now I tell you something new – it seems like so!

The prices was going higher and higher in double and triple times since the year 2013 !

Bevor till the year 2013 every a ST was totally easy to get with 1000 Baht or less and a LT with 2000-2500 Baht!

I also got some LT for 1500! And I also can tell you, I am not able to have sex with ugly girls, in contrary, my girls always need t be pretty, they have beautiful face and slim body. In Thermae it was usual to have girls for 800/1000 for ST, the good stunners from gogos I got with 3000 for a LT! And now? In Thermae they try to get 2000/3000 for ST and in gogo they ask 4000/5000 for ST,. Its incredible, so crazy!

I live in Germany and a Sorttime here in my expensive town Munich is 50 to 100 EUR (2000-4000 Baht)! So why should I pay same and much more in a very poor country like Thailand?? Anybody still realize anything??

But what was happen? Since 2013 many chines people coming and throw out their money and also the western men compare that and do the same and pay every money the girls asking for. This is what the clever girls let make the prices higher and higher, because they know the stupid farangs will pay it anyway!

And you see its working! So many men pay that and also here in the forum people meaning its ok to pay 3000 for a ST, they have not enough experience or not much brain. This is much more than in our own country. Its not a question if you can afford it, its the fact that the girls cheat use as much as possible and laugh about this stupid farangs.

By the way I could afford to pay this high prices, but I don't do it, because I don't want to be this silly farang. And the girls trying more and more, in January I was there and in Ibar a girl was trying to get 4000/5000 for a Short time. I was laughng loud and asked her if there is much gold in her pussy. And 2 hours later I got a beauty girl for 2500 LT!

And now for all normal thinking men: There are enough girls around and also pretty one in discos, or other freelancer, or also some women from gogo when its late time in night and they want a business, which we can trade to a normal price and have a good time.

And for brainless men, its ridiculous to complain other user who knows that 1000/2000 is the right and normal price. They are right and you are the one without brain.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1933546]The difference is I'm with a 10/10 white skinned girl no baby, and 20-22, not a soi 6 lady working at Insomnia after her shift in Soi 6. Here, let me give you an example. I met this lady on Facebook. We haven't met in person yet, but it's soon to be. She won't be 1,000 Baht, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]I suggest you to read my first post in this debate. We were talking about Go-Go's girl and short time girls in Pattaya area (is this Pattaya thread or what? Could you find a girl like the one you have posted in any go-go bars around Pattaya? Hell no! Anyway, for the experience I have, that white skin beauty you are going to meet, will charge you a ridiculous price, probably 5000 baht up, to act like a zombie in your bed. Sorry not for me. I'm not looking for fancy piece of wood, I'm not a collector. I prefer a 6/10 isanian dark skin with a nice ass and a friendly attitude who will play real rock'and'roll in bed.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1933546]The difference is I'm with a 10/10 white skinned girl no baby, and 20-22, not a soi 6 lady working at Insomnia after her shift in Soi 6. Here, let me give you an example. I met this lady on Facebook. We haven't met in person yet, but it's soon to be. She won't be 1,000 Baht, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds this kind of bragging a bit sophomoric. After all, mongering is supposed to be about fun. This is not the situation in which you need to prove something with your trophy girl, especially to people you will never meet or actually know. Any of us can put up pictures of girls and make claims about how great she is going to be, but are we any wiser for it?

Some pics taken by myself of girls who actually ask 1. 000/1. 500 baht for short time in Pattaya.

Sure they are not among the - "10/10 white skinned girls - no baby - not soi 6 bar girls " - that use to meet Mr. Bkkdog, but they are more than good for me, and I can guarantee you that they gonna blow you up in bed.

The one in stocking is a normal ladybar working in Soi Bowkao area while the naked one on soi 6. Age around 22 - 24 .

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1933968]Some pics taken by myself of girls who actually ask 1. 000/1. 500 baht for short time in Pattaya.

Sure they are not among the - "10/10 white skinned girls - no baby - not soi 6 bar girls " - that use to meet Mr. Bkkdog, but they are more than good for me, and I can guarantee you that they gonna blow you up in bed.

The one in stocking is a normal ladybar working in Soi Bowkao area while the naked one on soi 6. Age around 22 - 24 .[/QUOTE]Very nice bodies and for sure the right price. That is what they all should be getting.

Just to be clear. I understand people who are just too lazy to go around preferring to call an escort agency. Nothing wrong with that. I did it too sometime, but if we talk about freelancers, go-go bars, discoteque, night clubs, etc. Etc. It's a madness to spoil girls with thousands of baht.

Go to the bars, meet the girls, be polite, chat a little bit. The first approach will probably cost you a bit more (on drinks, bars, etc), then you get phone numbers and they're going to your room for not more than a thousand baht ST.

I'm talking about girls like the one in the pic below. Who cares if the girl is super white, got no tattoo or has an innocent face. I'm not in Pattaya for falling in love or to prove I can buy the most angelic face type. I need action, not bloody romantic tricks. Rock'and'Roll baby!

[QUOTE=SirRobby;1933718] Pricing for a working girl should have nothing to do with the standard in our rich home country, and it doesn't matter if someone can afford higher prices, this is just stupid. Just think about the money in our currency, in Dollar or Euro, and not in Baht![/QUOTE]Yes my friend, you get to the point. The first rule for a true monger should be, as you said, to analyze the price on the life standards of the country.

Now, a girl working at 7/11 get 7.000/10.000 baht (with overtime) monthly, which is about 260.00 Euro. A girl working in a factory like Chevrolet, get 15.000 baht (overtime) which is 384.00 Euro. A Bank employee get 20,000 = about 500.00 Eur, as an head nurse working at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, so let's say that the average of salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht (384,00 Eur), while the average of salary in Europe is about 1. 500 euro (about 58.000 baht) . Paying 5000 baht a girl in Thailand for a ST is like giving 1/3 of the salary average. It's like giving 500 euro for a ST to a girl in Germany, Holland, France or Italy. If some of you guys have good pension and want to waste your money, no problem at all, but please, stop to "broadcasting" that 3.500 baht for a ST in Pattaya is the norm! Because it's NOT!

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934007]Yes my friend, you get to the point. The first rule for a true monger should be, as you said, to analyze the price on the life standards of the country.

Now, a girl working at 7/11 get 7. 000/10. 000 baht (with overtime) monthly, wich is about 260.00 Euro. A girl working in a factory like Chevrolet, get 15.000 baht (overtime) wich is 384.00 Euro. A Bank employee get 20,000 = about 500.00 Eur, as an head nurse working at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, so let's say that the average of salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht (384,00 Eur), while the average of salary in Europe is about 1. 500 euro (about 58.000 baht) . Paying 5000 baht a girl in Thailand for a ST is like giving 1/3 of the salary average. It's like giving 500 euro for a ST to a girl in Germany, Holland, France or Italy. If some of you guys have good pension and want to waste your money, no problem at all, but please, stop to "broadcasting" that 3. 500 baht for a ST in Pattaya is the norm! Because it's NOT![/QUOTE]You're perfectly right! Can't agree with you more. I simply reject the idea of paying for ST in Thailand same price I'd pay in Europe, even I was a $ billionaire, no way, wtf this bit*h is asking one third of the average monthly salary just for a fu*k you go back working the rice field you won't see my money.

1000 baht it's a lot of money for the average thai people with a normal job who have to work more than 3 days to earn that amount. Think of this everytime you're paying a prostitute. Well at least I do, you can do what you want it's your money, but then don't come on here saying 3500 b is the right price for ST, or that people not willing to pay that money are cheap charlie, because otherwise I'd know how to call you.

Peace.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934007]Yes my friend, you get to the point. The first rule for a true monger should be, as you said, to analyze the price on the life standards of the country.

Now, a girl working at 7/11 get 7. 000/10. 000 baht (with overtime) monthly, wich is about 260.00 Euro. A girl working in a factory like Chevrolet, get 15.000 baht (overtime) wich is 384.00 Euro. A Bank employee get 20,000 = about 500.00 Eur, as an head nurse working at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, so let's say that the average of salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht (384,00 Eur), while the average of salary in Europe is about 1. 500 euro (about 58.000 baht) . Paying 5000 baht a girl in Thailand for a ST is like giving 1/3 of the salary average. It's like giving 500 euro for a ST to a girl in Germany, Holland, France or Italy. If some of you guys have good pension and want to waste your money, no problem at all, but please, stop to "broadcasting" that 3. 500 baht for a ST in Pattaya is the norm! Because it's NOT![/QUOTE]Are we double checking the math here? 384 euro per month in Thailand would seem about normal for the average worker. What doesn't look correct is the 1500 euro monthly salary as being 'average'. 1500 euro per month would 18000 euro per year, there's no way that number is correct. Think the problem here is you bring up salary and then switch to pension but even 18000 per year with a pension sounds lowball.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1934103]Are we double checking the math here? 384 euro per month in Thailand would seem about normal for the average worker. What doesn't look correct is the 1500 euro monthly salary as being 'average'. 1500 euro per month would 18000 euro per year, there's no way that number is correct. Think the problem here is you bring up salary and then switch to pension but even 18000 per year with a pension sounds lowball.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't get your point. Do you mean that the average in Europe is lower or higher?

You can take a look on the web. 2015/2016.

[URL]https://www.reinisfischer.com/average-salary-european-union-2015[/URL]

[URL]https://www.reinisfischer.com/average-salary-european-union-2016[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ziggy00;1934049]You're perfectly right! Can't agree with you more. I simply reject the idea of paying for ST in Thailand same price I'd pay in Europe, even I was a $ billionaire, no way, wtf this bit*h is asking one third of the average monthly salary just for a fu*k you go back working the rice field you won't see my money.

1000 baht it's a lot of money for the average thai people with a normal job who have to work more than 3 days to earn that amount. Think of this everytime you're paying a prostitute. Well at least I do, you can do what you want it's your money, but then don't come on here saying 3500 b is the right price for ST, or that people not willing to pay that money are cheap charlie, because otherwise I'd know how to call you.

Peace.[/QUOTE]And the sad thing is that 99,9 % of the girls working in sex business coming from poor villages around north area where people use to live with 3. 000 baht a month. I'm talking about North east (Isaan) and west (Sukhothai area, etc. Etc.). When they say: "I'm from Sukhothai. Chang Mai. Udon Thani. Kon kaen. Surin. Buriram, etc. " it's all untrue. They all live in small villages 100 km or more far from the main city. They move to the big cities where all farangs and rich people are (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Ko samui, etc.) pretending to be superstars. Even the Univ. Girls, the very white ones who probably say they're from Bangkok, they're not. They have all families living in the north.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934158]When they say: "I'm from Sukhothai. Chang Mai. Udon Thani. Kon kaen. Surin. Buriram, etc. " it's all untrue. They all live in small villages 100 km or more far from the main city. They move to the big cities where all farangs and rich people are (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Ko samui, etc.) pretending to be superstars. Even the Univ. Girls, the very white ones who probably say they're from Bangkok, they're not. They have all families living in the north.[/QUOTE]Sure you think that until you have visited home with them and find out they ARE actually from Bangkok, etc. Not sure why it would matter though. Don't farang who are from some podunk town usually round up to the closest bigger city that someone may have heard of as well?

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934158]And the sad thing is that 99,9 % of the girls working in sex business coming from poor villages around north area where people use to live with 3. 000 baht a month. I'm talking about North east (Isaan) and west (Sukhothai area, etc. Etc.). When they say: "I'm from Sukhothai. Chang Mai. Udon Thani. Kon kaen. Surin. Buriram, etc. " it's all untrue. They all live in small villages 100 km or more far from the main city. They move to the big cities where all farangs and rich people are (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Ko samui, etc.) pretending to be superstars. Even the Univ. Girls, the very white ones who probably say they're from Bangkok, they're not. They have all families living in the north.[/QUOTE]There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries.

But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries?

Why can't many of these guys here put themselves in their shoes, and also try to comprehend and appreciate some of the life issues from the locals' (in the other countries) point of view?

Is it not possible to travel, adventure, meet women, date women, pick up women in different kinds of bars (Go Go, Beer bars, other Sois, or clubs, or equivalent in other countries), under whatever financial arrangement works best for both parties AND still have a heart? Not at all talking about a LT GF, love, marriage or sending money monthly from afar..... But just for the time when we are in their countries / with them? Can't guys just be cool?

Yeah, sure there will be rip offs now and then (nature of stats in life, generally speaking), bad decisions, things that just don't work out etc. Bad girl's, bad experiences. All a part of life everywhere in the world!

But, even given all of the above, are the majority (greater than 50 PC) of the guys on this board just really bad guys. Some jerks, some bad apples, some looking for a fight in a foreign country, some trying to cheat girls in their country, some with some hate, some with big superiority complex because they have some money, etc. Etc. ?

Sometimes, I feel that there are too many guys here who deserve to get what they end up with.

I don't know. But I think it's possible to adventure in different countries, with some appreciation for their local, personal situations and some respect for their history, context and culture and still experience the life of an adventurer. If the vast majority of the guys did that, then I think we'd all be better off. I'm not holding my breath for this though.

Having spent 20 odd years managing global businesses for Fortune 50 global corporates, I find a lot of the sentiments here intensely appalling.

No wonder things everywhere seem to be getting more expensive, more difficult, less appealing, less of a pleasure..... And more of a rip off.

Karma dudes! IMO, many here deserve what they get!

( I'm sure I'll get some pointed and hard feedback for the above....I'm prepared for it though ....so fire away).

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934251]There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries.

But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries?

(. . .)

Karma dudes! IMO, many here deserve what they get!

( I'm sure I'll get some pointed and hard feedback for the above....I'm prepared for it though ....so fire away).[/QUOTE]Hear, hear! I second your position.

It is not because I had the good luck to have some spare money that allows me to travel a few times each year that I should look down upon the less fortunate people. They all deserve our respect. When I'm hungry I will appreciate the street food cook much more than the CEO of a global food company and when I'm horny, the Soi 6 sweetheart will be my favorite rather than the HiSo "old money" socialite.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934158]And the sad thing is that 99,9 % of the girls working in sex business coming from poor villages around north area where people use to live with 3. 000 baht a month. I'm talking about North east (Isaan) and west (Sukhothai area, etc. Etc.). When they say: "I'm from Sukhothai. Chang Mai. Udon Thani. Kon kaen. Surin. Buriram, etc. " it's all untrue. They all live in small villages 100 km or more far from the main city. They move to the big cities where all farangs and rich people are (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Ko samui, etc.) pretending to be superstars. Even the Univ. Girls, the very white ones who probably say they're from Bangkok, they're not. They have all families living in the north.[/QUOTE]Not all bar girls are poor from Isaan. Take the time to get to know them a little. They are not just pieces of meat for us to get our rocks off on. It is amazing was happens when you treat the girls like a real person, they become much more responsive. Generosity gets you a long way. So what if you pay 500-1000 more, this could mean the difference between the lady going after 2 hours to staying the whole night.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934251]There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries. But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries? Why can't many of these guys here put themselves in their shoes, and also try to comprehend and appreciate some of the life issues from the locals' (in the other countries) point of view?[/QUOTE]We are all young, fit, extremely good looking and god's gift to these poor Thais. I mean, really, they should be paying us instead. Who are these clowns even paying 1000 for ST? Totally ruining the market for the less appealing gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934251]There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries.

But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries?

Why can't many of these guys here put themselves in their shoes, and also try to comprehend and appreciate some of the life issues from the locals' (in the other countries) point of view?

Is it not possible to travel, adventure, meet women, date women, pick up women in different kinds of bars (Go Go, Beer bars, other Sois, or clubs, or equivalent in other countries), under whatever financial arrangement works best for both parties AND still have a heart? Not at all talking about a LT GF, love, marriage or sending money monthly from afar..... But just for the time when we are in their countries / with them? Can't guys just be cool?

Yeah, sure there will be rip offs now and then (nature of stats in life, generally speaking), bad decisions, things that just don't work out etc. Bad girl's, bad experiences. All a part of life everywhere in the world!

But, even given all of the above, are the majority (greater than 50 PC) of the guys on this board just really bad guys. Some jerks, some bad apples, some looking for a fight in a foreign country, some trying to cheat girls in their country, some with some hate, some with big superiority complex because they have some money, etc. Etc. ?

Sometimes, I feel that there are too many guys here who deserve to get what they end up with.

I don't know. But I think it's possible to adventure in different countries, with some appreciation for their local, personal situations and some respect for their history, context and culture and still experience the life of an adventurer. If the vast majority of the guys did that, then I think we'd all be better off. I'm not holding my breath for this though.

Having spent 20 odd years managing global businesses for Fortune 50 global corporates, I find a lot of the sentiments here intensely appalling.

No wonder things everywhere seem to be getting more expensive, more difficult, less appealing, less of a pleasure..... And more of a rip off.

Karma dudes! IMO, many here deserve what they get!

( I'm sure I'll get some pointed and hard feedback for the above....I'm prepared for it though ....so fire away).[/QUOTE]Your post has nothing wrong and I agree with most of it, except that is totally irrelevant to the thread or better say "out of topic".

Discussion was not about treating Thai women in a good / bad way, just do not overpay them.

Could you please stick to the topic? So you disagree with me with what? What did I say which is untrue? Please enlighten me.

Actually Thai women consider a "jai dee farang" (good heart foreigner) the one with big money willing to buy house, car and other things for the family. Doesn't matter if the guy was an ex thug, a bandit or has criminal records. Does he take care the family? He's good.

You might have managed thousand of global business for 30 years but your experience in mongering is less than zero!

This is World Sex Guide forum, most of the people here are humble mongers not billionaires competing on get the most beautiful girl like in a auction.

Funny when you talk about karma. We certainly have different point of view.

Loading a hooker with money when the average of the normal workers here get almost nothing is not only a madness, it's immoral.

I saw people giving 5000 or more for a ST, others pretending to buy women's love supporting their family, buying houses, etc. Etc. This is disgusting and immoral, and it goes against the karma.

You want to help a poor family in Isaan? Go to any f_uckin no-profit organization up to the north and make a bloody donation.

Personally I never had problems with Thai girls after 35 years of Thailand. I've always treat them with dignity and respect, and this is what I've always get back.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934310] Generosity gets you a long way.[/QUOTE]Please don't talk about generosity here, this word is inappropriate and has nothing to do with people like us who pay for having sex. You want to be generous? As I said before, go to any orphanage or no-profit organization and make a bloody donation, then you will be generous to me.

What you are actually doing now is a women auction where you are the highest bidder.

Generosity my ass.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934310]Not all bar girls are poor from Isaan. Take the time to get to know them a little. They are not just pieces of meat for us to get our rocks off on. It is amazing was happens when you treat the girls like a real person, they become much more responsive. Generosity gets you a long way. So what if you pay 500-1000 more, this could mean the difference between the lady going after 2 hours to staying the whole night.[/QUOTE]My generosity is limited to 100-200 bahts for kuey-tiaow or mama.

I don't believe in spoiling the market for other mongers by giving 500-1000 Bahts as tips.

I rather give a girl repeat business and get a better service.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934354]Please don't talk about generosity here, this word is inapproriate and has nothing to do with people like us who pay for having sex. You want to be generous? As I said before, go to any orphanage or no-profit organization and make a bloody donation, then you will be generous to me.

What you are actually doing now is a women auction where you are the highest bidder.

Generosity my ass.[/QUOTE]Mr Marco,

I acknowledge that everyone is entitled to an opinion. And everyone has their own budget and how much they cans spend depending on their socio-economic circumstances.

But you are not adding anything to the board in the way of useful information or knowledge. That is the main reason most of us come hear. Not to get lectured about how much we should be paying for pussy.

Your posts are just dragging us back down to the boring and fruitless price debates.

SnooZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZe!

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934418]Mr. Uncle Volovodka.

The board is followed not only by expert billionair mongers like you and your friends. It's followed also by normal people, mostly newbies, that want to know how much is the average of a fuck in Pattaya.

Doesn't matter what's your budget or your socio-economic-shit, if you are in Pattaya and you pay 3. 500 for a short time, you are a fuckin idiot![/QUOTE]I have never paid more than 2500ST, but what I pay is my own damn business. As for any other contribution you have made, everyone already knew the price structure. We did not need you to enlighten us on the fact that ST on Soi 6 is 1300 baht.

At the risk of missing out on any great kernels of information you may offer in the future I will add you, sir, to my ignore list. Somehow I don't think I will regret this decision.

Uncle-V out!

I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.

But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST ([I]gasp. . .[/I]), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market ([I]tsk-tsk[/I]), true, but I had a smile on my face.

And on even more decadent nights, I would offer the girl 4000 baht for ST: [i]whaaaaaaa?[/i] I know, I know, send me to the gas chamber, I totally deserve it. If you like, call me a. . .

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934418]a fuckin idiot![/QUOTE]I get it. And of course, on the subsequent encounter with that girl, well, let's just say that my balls were on fire. But to be honest, there was not an appreciable difference between 2500 baht and 4000 baht, and so I figured there is a sweet spot. Anything over 2500 baht (for me at least, given who I am, my age, my ethnicity, the chemistry I can generate with the girls, and what the girls think of me), the law of diminishing returns kicks in. And so my sweet spot is somewhere in the 2500-3000 baht range. That's been my experience, and I'm sorry, but you just cannot argue with that. Decades of experience in Thailand and I have found that this amount is what works for me (it does gradually creep up, I must admit). I will gladly share this information with people on ISG, and they can do with it what they please.

The issue for me is that there are two sides to the 'Don't Spoil the Market' equation: payment amount, and the return on that investment. What did you actually get in return for your payment? For me, I pay 2500 baht and I get a superior experience (on the return visit, it must be said). If I pay less, there is a noticeable reduction in the quality of experience, and if I pay more, there is not a noticeable increase in the quality of the experience. For some on this board, they pay very little, but all I read about their experience is that they fucked, with 6 pops, and 2-3 holes. Or whatever. But I don't know if that would work for me. All I can do is use my own experience, with some guidance from the posts here on ISG, to estimate what my investment is going to be. And one final point: I recognize that even though I am complicating the analysis just a little here, it is a horrible oversimplification. It's not the case that 2500 baht will always get you a great experience, nor that 800 baht will always get you a mechanical experience: each girl is different. But modulo that factor, I think we need to recognize that there are multiple markets in play here: low end, mid-level, high-end.

So yes, I confess, I spoiled the market. Perhaps I single-handedly fragmented the market into the multiple markets, who knows. I have tried paying less, and while that level of payment always results in ejaculate being extracted from my testicles, the mechanical nature of that experience is not what pleases me. I just don't get precisely the experience that I am seeking. I have tried it. And it does not work for me. It doesn't. It really doesn't. You can continue on and on about how I am spoiling the market, how dumb you think people like me are, etc. But the market is not my concern, nor how smart you think I am. My concern is what I get for my investment.

I figured this out based upon my own experience, as well as some guidelines from ISG. So I find all those Market Warriors who report on low prices very helpful. But the Market Evangelicals, well, not so much.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1934265]Hear, hear! I second your position.

It is not because I had the good luck to have some spare money that allows me to travel a few times each year that I should look down upon the less fortunate people. They all deserve our respect. When I'm hungry I will appreciate the street food cook much more than the CEO of a global food company and when I'm horny, the Soi 6 sweetheart will be my favorite rather than the HiSo "old money" socialite.[/QUOTE]This guy Marco is apparently a cheapskate who hates people with an even slightly different view on life. I think Uncle V. Did the wise thing by putting him on his ignore list.

I have a short ignore list myself reserved for the more obnoxious of posters.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1934360]My generosity is limited to 100-200 bahts for kuey-tiaow or mama.

I don't believe in spoiling the market for other mongers by giving 500-1000 Bahts as tips.

I rather give a girl repeat business and get a better service.[/QUOTE]You my brother are entitled to your own opinion but spoiling the market is not quite the result of a 500-1000 tip. Let's get back to reporting shall we? You and I share one love, that is the beautiful rear ends of Thai ladies. I would love to hear the story about the best rear end you have seen on a Thai lady. Mine was actually not Thai. Believe it or not she was Burmese and was working at Thermae.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934418]Mr. Uncle Volovodka.

The board is followed not only by expert billionair mongers like you and your friends. It's followed also by normal people, mostly newbies, that want to know how much is the average of a fuck in Pattaya.

Doesn't matter what's your budget or your socio-economic-shit, if you are in Pattaya and you pay 3. 500 for a short time, you are a fuckin idiot![/QUOTE]Marco, I have no idea where you came from all of a sudden but I would suggest that you put these dam price issues to bed. If you say you care so much about the newbies reading the board then let them read the reports without having to go through all this bickering about pricing. Secondly, I wouldn't suggest calling people fuckin idiots on this board. I have run into many members around Thailand since we often frequent the same venues. I don't think the reception would be very warm. Now instead of continuing this ridiculous doscussion, why don't you write a report?

Here's my question: I am a newbie traveling to Thailand. My budget for a 1 week trip is 30,000 Baht. Where are the best hotels to stay in and where could one on this budget get the best bang for their buck? Now that would be some useful information and dam good report for newbies to read. I can make some suggestions but i think you are the man for the job. I look forward to your report with eager anticipation.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934344]Your post has nothing wrong and I agree with most of it, except that is totally irrilevant to the thread or better say "out of topic".

Discussion was not about treating thai women in a good / bad way, just do not overpay them.

Could you please stick to the topic? So you disagree with me with what? What did I say wich is untrue? Please enlighten me.

Actually thai women consider a "jai dee farang" (good heart foreigner) the one with big money willing to buy house, car and other things for the family. Doesn't matter if the guy was an ex thug, a bandit or has criminal records. Does he take care the family? He's good.

You might have managed thousand of global businsess for 30 years but your experience in mongering is less than zero!

This is World Sex Guide forum, most of the people here are humble mongers not billionaires competing on get the most beautiful girl like in a auction.

Funny when you talk about karma. We certainly have different point of view.

Loading a hooker with money when the average of the normal workers here get almost nothing is not only a madness, it's immoral.

I saw people giving 5000 or more for a ST, others pretending to buy women's love supporting their family, buying houses, etc. Etc. This is disgusting and immoral, and it goes against the karma.

You want to help a poor family in Isaan? Go to any f_uckin no-profit organization up to the north and make a bloody donation.

Personally I never had problems with thai girls after 35 years of Thailand. I've always treat them with dignity and respect, and this is what I've always get back.[/QUOTE]Maco, please go out, find a non WG Thai lady that can speak English. Talk with her for an hour. I think you will be surprised!

I wish we could get away from these never ending price bickering wars and leave those to the kids on the other message forums.

I care not what one person pays compared to another, on this Pattaya section, I only care about what people are paying in general, without people jumping in and crucifying others for how they spend their money. In addition to the reviews on the quality of the women in gogo's, beer bars, etc.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1934527]I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.

But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST ([I]gasp. . .[/I]), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market ([I]tsk-tsk[/I]), true, but I had a smile on my face...[/QUOTE]I too apologize for spoiling the market. If a beach road hottie ask for more than market but not outrageous- I pay. For gods sake its $10-$15 more. There's lots of money to be made just go out and make some guys!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934549]Maco, please go out, find a non WG Thai lady that can speak English. Talk with her for an hour. I think you will be surprised![/QUOTE]No worry. I'm surprised already. To know that people like you use to get girls in a place like Thermae for 3. 500 baht ST is a big shock. No wonder why most of the Thai girls think that farangs are all idiots. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1934527]I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.

But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST ([I]gasp. . .[/I]), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market ([I]tsk-tsk[/I]), true, but I had a smile on my face.

And on even more decadent nights, I would offer the girl 4000 baht for ST: [i]whaaaaaaa?[/i] I know, I know, send me to the gas chamber, I totally deserve it. If you like, call me a. . .

I get it. And of course, on the subsequent encounter with that girl, well, let's just say that my balls were on fire. But to be honest, there was not an appreciable difference between 2500 baht and 4000 baht, and so I figured there is a sweet spot. Anything over 2500 baht (for me at least, given who I am, my age, my ethnicity, the chemistry I can generate with the girls, and what the girls think of me), the law of diminishing returns kicks in. And so my sweet spot is somewhere in the 2500-3000 baht range. That's been my experience, and I'm sorry, but you just cannot argue with that. Decades of experience in Thailand and I have found that this amount is what works for me (it does gradually creep up, I must admit). I will gladly share this information with people on ISG, and they can do with it what they please.

The issue for me is that there are two sides to the 'Don't Spoil the Market' equation: payment amount, and the return on that investment. What did you actually get in return for your payment? For me, I pay 2500 baht and I get a superior experience (on the return visit, it must be said). If I pay less, there is a noticeable reduction in the quality of experience, and if I pay more, there is not a noticeable increase in the quality of the experience. For some on this board, they pay very little, but all I read about their experience is that they fucked, with 6 pops, and 2-3 holes. Or whatever. But I don't know if that would work for me. All I can do is use my own experience, with some guidance from the posts here on ISG, to estimate what my investment is going to be. And one final point: I recognize that even though I am complicating the analysis just a little here, it is a horrible oversimplification. It's not the case that 2500 baht will always get you a great experience, nor that 800 baht will always get you a mechanical experience: each girl is different. But modulo that factor, I think we need to recognize that there are multiple markets in play here: low end, mid-level, high-end.

So yes, I confess, I spoiled the market. Perhaps I single-handedly fragmented the market into the multiple markets, who knows. I have tried paying less, and while that level of payment always results in ejaculate being extracted from my testicles, the mechanical nature of that experience is not what pleases me. I just don't get precisely the experience that I am seeking. I have tried it. And it does not work for me. It doesn't. It really doesn't. You can continue on and on about how I am spoiling the market, how dumb you think people like me are, etc. But the market is not my concern, nor how smart you think I am. My concern is what I get for my investment.

I figured this out based upon my own experience, as well as some guidelines from ISG. So I find all those Market Warriors who report on low prices very helpful. But the Market Evangelicals, well, not so much.[/QUOTE]Very well put. Thanks for taking the time to write what I was too lazy to.

I have added your report to the reports of distinction thread and noticed you had another one there. Great reporting as always. Love readimg everything you write. Is writing your chosen profession? I think daily blogging is in your future and pays well on You Tube.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;1934556]I wish we could get away from these never ending price bickering wars and leave those to the kids on the other message forums.

I care not what one person pays compared to another, on this Pattaya section, I only care about what people are paying in general, without people jumping in and crucifying others for how they spend their money. In addition to the reviews on the quality of the women in gogo's, beer bars, etc.[/QUOTE]I am not defending anyone here but you should contribute something to the forum before making a comment like that. I tend to agree with you but you have really not earned the right to complain about the content of other posts with a post count of 5. So even though Marco is a little over the top with his comments, he has earned the right because of his contributions to the forum as wells as Syggs when talking about the quality of girls.

1. I try very hard not to overpay. I can afford to. But I don't, and I certainly don't set high expectations. I believe in under promising and overdelivering.

In Thailand, the max I agreed to pay for LT was 2,500 for a girl in Insomnia (not a beer bar or Go Go girl) who was 8 in terms of looks, dress, figure and age (20). And, she had a German boyfriend, supporting her from afar. It was NOT my best experience. She clearly preferred the 20 something guys. And had been in Pattaya for over a year. Had learned from experience. In other words agreeing to pay a bit more, a priori does not usually (for me) turn out to be great at the end.

2. The best ones were those that agreed to 1,500 LT, BUT when they were great GFE, and they stayed with me for several days. They were all under 28 and 6's and 7's. I find that to be the sweet spot for GFE and where I can set the expectations the way I like it ( for me). And after the night, they never asked me how much. I took them shopping and spent some money on them. When they left they Never counted what I gave (before they left) or even looked at it, and simply put in their purse. And, in such instances the min I paid in cash was 3,000 baht per day.

So, in other words, when I find a girl that is great GFE, is really nice and I enjoy the chemistry, they simply stay for as long as I want them to. THEN I always pay way more than they expect. So, I only expect for find say about only 1-2 such girls every week. My next 5 week trip, if I found 5-10 these kinds of girls , I would be super happy. That's all I can handle. I prefer to stay with a girl for several days.

They never knew, and had no reason to expect shopping/gifts. And, I did not try to ever tell them that I will contact them again when I return. And, I have not had any contact with any of the, since I left Thailand. Pretty much the same in all countries with maybe about 10 exceptions in total. (who I see again).

3. And my 20 year old oil massage girl from Isaan (From a massage place near Central Fetsival mall) initially stayed LT for the night from 11 pm until 9 am for 2,000 baht (4 months ago). And later she would just drop by on her own and just stay. Never asked me for anything. No negotiation. That's what she asked and I agreed without hesitation. I knew she would be great. And, she was.

4. In the DR, or in So Paulo, or Fortaleza or Curitiba, or Peru. For example. When I meet and hook up via the dating sites, I never talk money. Never. If they bring it up, or ask me to send them $, I delete that contact / conversation. It is only in Thailand that I talk money ahead of time.

5. I am going to the DR in about 3 weeks for nearly a month and I have at least another 50 net new contacts (after deletes) and at least 15 of them I'd say very good. All 19-23. And, none of them have brought up money. The ones that did were deleted.

In general, in my experience, the higher the expectation in terms of $, ahead of time, the less the GFE. But, I'd say out of about at least 100 in the last 3 years, 80 plus percent have been great. And about 20 PC very great. 5 PC bad and I quickly parted company. Another 15 per cent, no GFE whatsoever and again parted company in less than 2 hours.

So, I am not inexperienced and I don't agree to pay a lot. And keep expectations very low.

AND, very importantly I do NOT do ANY short time (a priori). Some may turn out that way only because I choose to cut it off early.

BUT, when the girl is great, I do go above and beyond and in Thaialnd gladly pay 3,000 or more baht or more, not including food and gifts. Or in other countries (not Thailand) , many gifts and trips with them to all inclusive resorts etc. , in addition to cash. One girl in Peru was so great and stayed with me for 4 weeks. And did so many touristy things, dance clubs, restaurants, shopping etc and when I left I gave her nearly $2,000 USD. But she had already begun to tear up by the elevator. It was imply great GFE and simply great chemistry.

The point being there are many nice women in many of the above countries, if you learn how to talk to me them, engage them, be truly nice to them. But, being generous after tha fact, and rewarding the ones who are great GFE, beyond their expectations pays off well for me. Call it what you want, but maybe there is some sort of karma. And even if not, most girls can tell guys pretty quickly. They may hide it. But they know it. Particularly the jerks and the assholes. So, maybe there is some sort of karma (negative karma) there as well.

So, what I am trying to say again is that there are many nice girls....but it takes time and effort. The hit ratio for me ( scoping out a place like Insomnia ( or a dating website in other countries ) is less than 10 PC. So, it requires quite a bit of effort and experience.

It seems MarcoStraight is not up to the challenge so here goes.

So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht.

Now the hotel. Malee Pattaya is near Central Pattaya. It is 450 Baht per night which is very affordable and quite reasonably looking, picture attached. 420 25-31 Soi Buakhao (South Pattaya) | Nongpue, Banglamung, Pattaya 21180, Thailand. This is just an example, there are many similar options available, just use booking dot com to search.

Food is next. Spend your days eating street food such as mango or pork and sticky rice. On some days head over to sizzler for their lunch specials at 200 Baht or less and get steak and all you can eat salad bar with Pasta, soup, and fruit. There are also plenty of cheap eats in small restaurants and pubs everywhere.

Mongering the most important. Go to Soi 6 in the afternoons, have a couple of beers and choose a lady. The whole encounter should be 800-1,300 Baht. In the evenings, head over to Insomnia, beach road, or a beer bar on soi 7 or soi 8. In all locations, you can find a lady LT ranging from 1000-1,500 Baht. In summary, you will have the company of 2 ladies each day with one being together with you all night. Plan for 3,000-3,500 Baht per day for mongering.

Another interesting choice would be to pay 1 lady 15,000 Baht for 6 nights of LT. Find her on the internet before you come. Cut her loose daytimes to eliminate shopping and food expenses for the lady. Just 6 nights of action.

Now, just reverse the travel instructions and head back to the airport.

Not exackly 30,000 Baht but close I think. Sorry no photos of Sizzler and street food but there is a 10 photo minimum per post.

So in summary. As long as you can afford your round trip plane ticket, you can have a great time mongering in Pattaya for 6 nights and 7 days for under $1000 including hotel, food, ladies, a few beers, and transportation to and from the airport.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934593]I am not defending anyone here but you should contribute something to the forum before making a comment like that. I tend to agree with you but you have really not earned the right to complain about the content of other posts with a post count of 5. So even though Marco is a little over the top with his comments, he has earned the right because of his contributions to the forum as wells as Syggs when talking about the quality of girls.[/QUOTE]Why don't you set some rules up for us so everyone knows when they can consider offering a comment.

"So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht. ".

Quite a bizarre advice to chase jetlagged people who just left their plane with the luggage on to the airport link, out of the airport link into the unconvenient Phaya Tai BTS station, and out of the BTS find the bus in Mochit. Why not just recommend for those who want to save the 1500 Tb for the taxi to take the bus directly to Pattaya as the airport is pretty close to the Holy City. Cost of the bus is 120 bath or something, as the bus arrives in Jomtien, a bath bus would take any Khon Jon (poor Charly) for another 10 bath to Central Festival area.

[QUOTE=LonePunter;1934661]"So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht. ".

Quite a bizarre advice to chase jetlagged people who just left their plane with the luggage on to the airport link, out of the airport link into the unconvenient Phaya Tai BTS station, and out of the BTS find the bus in Mochit. Why not just recommend for those who want to save the 1500 Tb for the taxi to take the bus directly to Pattaya as the airport is pretty close to the Holy City. Cost of the bus is 120 bath or something, as the bus arrives in Jomtien, a bath bus would take any Khon Jon (poor Charly) for another 10 bath to Central Festival area.[/QUOTE]Is there a bus directly from the airport to Pattaya? If so, please provide info on where to catch it at the airport. Never mind, I've just found the info and here is the link:

http://airportpattayabus.com/suvarnabhumi-airport-pattaya-bus-schedule-timetable

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934606]It seems MarcoStraight is not up to the challenge so here goes.

So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht.

Now the hotel. Malee Pattaya is near Central Pattaya. It is 450 Baht per night which is very affordable and quite reasonably looking, picture attached. 420 25-31 Soi Buakhao (South Pattaya) | Nongpue, Banglamung, Pattaya 21180, Thailand. This is just an example, there are many similar options available, just use booking dot com to search.

Food is next. Spend your days eating street food such as mango or pork and sticky rice. On some days head over to sizzler for their lunch specials at 200 Baht or less and get steak and all you can eat salad bar with Pasta, soup, and fruit. There are also plenty of cheap eats in small restaurants and pubs everywhere.

Mongering the most important. Go to Soi 6 in the afternoons, have a couple of beers and choose a lady. The whole encounter should be 800-1,300 Baht. In the evenings, head over to Insomnia, beach road, or a beer bar on soi 7 or soi 8. In all locations, you can find a lady LT ranging from 1000-1,500 Baht. In summary, you will have the company of 2 ladies each day with one being together with you all night. Plan for 3,000-3,500 Baht per day for mongering.

Another interesting choice would be to pay 1 lady 15,000 Baht for 6 nights of LT. Find her on the internet before you come. Cut her loose daytimes to eliminate shopping and food expenses for the lady. Just 6 nights of action.

Now, just reverse the travel instructions and head back to the airport.

Not exackly 30,000 Baht but close I think. Sorry no photos of Sizzler and street food but there is a 10 photo minimum per post.

So in summary. As long as you can afford your round trip plane ticket, you can have a great time mongering in Pattaya for 6 nights and 7 days for under $1000 including hotel, food, ladies, a few beers, and transportation to and from the airport.[/QUOTE]It just gets even easier.

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1934649]Why don't you set some rules up for us so everyone knows when they can consider offering a comment.[/QUOTE]No I'm not the board police but can we move all Cheap Charlie discussions and talk about how it was better in the old days to the General Reports section? Its really boring to read day in day out.

You guys can keep iBar, I do my hunting at Hollywood Pattaya. Last night there were about a hundred freelancers ready for action. Any table you see full of girls is pretty much free game. Keep in mind this IS NOT the place for the budget conscious.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934677]You guys can keep iBar, I do my hunting at Hollywood Pattaya. Last night there were about a hundred freelancers ready for action. Any table you see full of girls is pretty much free game. Keep in mind this IS NOT the place for the budget conscious.[/QUOTE]Oh that's great to know for my next trip. Thanks so much. Is there a good mix of white skinned beauties? What could one get there for 10,000 LT?

For 10 k I think you can get any girl in Pattaya. Most of the Hollywood girls are gogo girls who barfine themselves to go to Hollywood or work there on their days off. Bottle service will run about 2500 baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934690]For 10 k I think you can get any girl in Pattaya. Most of the Hollywood girls are gogo girls who barfine themselves to go to Hollywood or work there on their days off. Bottle service will run about 2500 baht.[/QUOTE]Could I compare the ladies to Levels in BKK?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934677]You guys can keep iBar, I do my hunting at Hollywood Pattaya. Last night there were about a hundred freelancers ready for action. Any table you see full of girls is pretty much free game. Keep in mind this IS NOT the place for the budget conscious.[/QUOTE]Ok, you have piqued my interest. Tried to look it up on a map. But getting Google maps with Thai script.

1. Where exactly is it?

2. Trip Advisor reviews say they play mostly Thai music. Is this true? And around $400 baht cover charge?

FYI, I like the cover charge bit,...as it may produce a better girl to guy ratio. But, If the girls are in large groups, and have bar fined themselves , they are probably not gonna leave with you ? So, just get names and numbers for later ?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934684]Oh that's great to know for my next trip. Thanks so much. Is there a good mix of white skinned beauties? What could one get there for 10,000 LT?[/QUOTE]Well, that's almost $300 a night! Any Thai girl who can command $300 a night, consistently is unlikely to be a true GFE for any guy over 28, IMO. Of course, they may " do " guys over 50, 60, or 70 even but they will just pick up the $ quickly and leave ...maybe with a fake smile.

In our business, we used to hire these girls mostly for TV and billboard ads, as Thais react positively to Thai girls who are a true 50-50 Thai. Caucasian mix. Particularly eyes and lips. These girls are best ' found' before they get ' found'. Usually, that is not in the BKK, Pattaya or Phuket area, IMO.

Hi guys,

I am in Pattaya right now and it would be great if somebody can share contacts of some hot indies urgently. I will be really thankful.

Regards.

Hi guys,

I am planning to travel to Pattaya end of September. My 3rd trip so far. This trip it will be great to have a nice, clean and fun travel companion in her 20's for Thai GF vacation experience. It will much appreciate if I can get some suggestions, tips and contacts to find one.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934606]It seems MarcoStraight is not up to the challenge so here goes.

So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht.

Now the hotel. Malee Pattaya is near Central Pattaya. It is 450 Baht per night which is very affordable and quite reasonably looking, picture attached. 420 25-31 Soi Buakhao (South Pattaya) | Nongpue, Banglamung, Pattaya 21180, Thailand. This is just an example, there are many similar options available, just use booking dot com to search.

Food is next. Spend your days eating street food such as mango or pork and sticky rice. On some days head over to sizzler for their lunch specials at 200 Baht or less and get steak and all you can eat salad bar with Pasta, soup, and fruit. There are also plenty of cheap eats in small restaurants and pubs everywhere.

Mongering the most important. Go to Soi 6 in the afternoons, have a couple of beers and choose a lady. The whole encounter should be 800-1,300 Baht. In the evenings, head over to Insomnia, beach road, or a beer bar on soi 7 or soi 8. In all locations, you can find a lady LT ranging from 1000-1,500 Baht. In summary, you will have the company of 2 ladies each day with one being together with you all night. Plan for 3,000-3,500 Baht per day for mongering.

Another interesting choice would be to pay 1 lady 15,000 Baht for 6 nights of LT. Find her on the internet before you come. Cut her loose daytimes to eliminate shopping and food expenses for the lady. Just 6 nights of action.

Now, just reverse the travel instructions and head back to the airport.

Not exackly 30,000 Baht but close I think. Sorry no photos of Sizzler and street food but there is a 10 photo minimum per post.

So in summary. As long as you can afford your round trip plane ticket, you can have a great time mongering in Pattaya for 6 nights and 7 days for under $1000 including hotel, food, ladies, a few beers, and transportation to and from the airport.[/QUOTE]Great response, mate. Any tips on how to find these LT girls for 6 nights on the internet. I tried googling it without success.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;1934742]Great response, mate. Any tips on how to find these LT girls for 6 nights on the internet. I tried googling it without success.[/QUOTE]Mate LOL. Please read my post more carefully. For example, talk with ladies on Thai Friendly and make the deal. You could also find her in Patts on your first night in a beer bar or disco.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934714]Ok, you have piqued my interest. Tried to look it up on a map. But getting Google maps with Thai script.

1. Where exactly is it?[/QUOTE]Turn right at Big C Second Rd. Go to the end of that short soi and turn right again. You will see it on the left with a big airplane on a pedastal.

Or continue down 3rd Road from Pattaya Klang. At the next traffic light turn left. At the fork in the road veer left. You will see the disco on the right.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934677]You guys can keep iBar, I do my hunting at Hollywood Pattaya. Last night there were about a hundred freelancers ready for action. Any table you see full of girls is pretty much free game. Keep in mind this IS NOT the place for the budget conscious.[/QUOTE]Yep, my friend, that is definitely the next frontier. I saw some amazing girl when we went with our dates last month. Have you had any luck there in the last week or so since I left? I still am not 100% sure how this place works. But I want to try.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934714] reviews say they play mostly Thai music. Is this true? And around $400 baht cover charge?[/QUOTE]Live band half the time but very good singers. I love one of the dancers. Yes, Thai music but that's what makes Thai girls crazy. Pretty sure Thai girls didn't grow up listening to Bon Jovi or Rod Stewart. No cover. Bottle service. Under 2500 baht.

Even if you meet a girl be ready to party hard with them. This isn't iBar. This is a real disco.

Very very few Farang. Only Thai and Japanese customers. Makes Thermae look for a sea of Farang. there's no one over 50 in here for sure. Average age of guys likely mid 20's.

Be warned that we've been quoted up to 500 baht for a taxi leaving Hollywood. There aren't any there. Last night we took a baht bus for 300 thanks to my girl talking some sense into these idiotic Pattaya scamming taxi drivers. I heard the taxi law will take effect on Jan. 1. What a relief if that happens.

Uncle V, I'm with my girlfriend so no need for me to look. I'm not finding anything better anywhere. Follow what the Japanese do. Walk up to a group of girls, rudely grab her by her arm, and drag her back to your table. I saw a girl who wanted to smack this Japanese guy in the head but then the dollars popped into her head and she thought better not to.

BDog, I'll let Uncle V compare Hollywood to Levels for talent.

I have been on the ground for about 10 days. Exploring what used to be a great place to relax and engage in some fun activities. I must say something. Pattaya is much much worse than it was just 5 years back! I can't believe people come here!

I remember back in the day, finding a 7 or even an occasional 8 to fuck or give you a massage was not a problem no matter where you were! I've been several times to Soi 6, 7, 8. the all usual hunting grounds and I must say even finding a 5 is a problem! Sixty percent of all "girls" are old ladies in their 50's or even 60's. Desperately yelling out Massahhh. ! I don't even understand who would partake with them? They are old and ugly. The rest are just younger but also ugly with busted faces. I just don't get it! Why anyone comes to Pattaya? I have numerous times on Soi 6 and even could not find one 5!

Huge crowds of Chinese. That is also new! I met some cute Chinese girls but no sex. Less Russians and the same amount of Indians. But they never bothered me. I am just reporting. What else. Prices went up too! I tried to find a massage with happy ending. o one wants to do a massage! All those so called massage places just go straight for sex. They never do the actual massage!

So if anyone knows an outlet that does body to body with HJ. Let me know!

For the guys who don't want to take buses, BTS, MRT etc. Etc. , a little trick for save some money on taxi service. Once you arrive at the Airport (ground floor), go to the Departure floor upstairs. You're going to find so many taxi-meter just arrived with departing tourists. Go to the taxi drivers and bargain the price. 1000 baht going to be find.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1934765]Turn right at Big C Second Rd. Go to the end of that short soi and turn right again. You will see it on the left with a big airplane on a pedastal.

Or continue down 3rd Road from Pattaya Klang. At the next traffic light turn left. At the fork in the road veer left. You will see the disco on the right.[/QUOTE]Thanks! But, LOL. BBoi said most guys in there were in their 20's and no guys over 50. So, I'm out oF luck!

[QUOTE=Start123;1934846]I have been on the ground for about 10 days. Exploring what used to be a great place to relax and engage in some fun activities. I must say something. Pattaya is much much worse than it was just 5 years back! I can't believe people come here!

I remember back in the day, finding a 7 or even an occasional 8 to fuck or give you a massage was not a problem no matter where you were! I've been several times to Soi 6, 7, 8. the all usual hunting grounds and I must say even finding a 5 is a problem! Sixty percent of all "girls" are old ladies in their 50's or even 60's. Desperately yelling out Massahhh. ! I don't even understand who would partake with them? They are old and ugly. The rest are just younger but also ugly with busted faces. I just don't get it! Why anyone comes to Pattaya? I have numerous times on Soi 6 and even could not find one 5!

[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. I was just in Pattaya and it was the worst I'd ever seen it. It's was sad to see the decline of what used to be heaven.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;1934738]Hi guys,

I am planning to travel to Pattaya end of September. My 3rd trip so far. This trip it will be great to have a nice, clean and fun travel companion in her 20's for Thai GF vacation experience. It will much appreciate if I can get some suggestions, tips and contacts to find one.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Yesterday I returned from Pattaya, 2 weeks of happiness, I was the second time in [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] sincerely recommend. Before I fly on my own but was more expensive than there. A lot of girls to choose and you can change how to whim.

[QUOTE=Start123;1934846] I've been several times to Soi 6, 7, 8. the all usual hunting grounds and I must say even finding a 5 is a problem! [/QUOTE]Not sure what else is included in your usual hunting grounds from 5 years ago but best looking girls have likely shifted to the Japanese oriented gogo clubs like Baccara and Sensations. Follow a Japanese guy. He will lead you to the best girls (ie. not budget outdoor bars). I also previously posted these past 2 weeks have been very slow in Pattaya with many girls gone on holiday.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934875]Thanks! But, LOL. BBoi said most guys in there were in their 20's and no guys over 50. So, I'm out oF luck![/QUOTE]

cmon where is your sense of adventure? If I think about it more I don't think there's anyone over 40 but I'm not trying to scare off an entire board here.

To answer an earlier question girls have been barfining themselves out of bars lately since bars are very slow. They either go home to rest or go to places like Hollywood for a big payout.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1934875]Thanks! But, LOL. BBoi said most guys in there were in their 20's and no guys over 50. So, I'm out oF luck![/QUOTE]I'm 46 and I'm going to give it a go.

This is my first time in Thailand and this old lady treated me like a king.

She might not have the best face or body but her performance Was excellent.

Pattaya is great for a rookie like me.

[QUOTE=Scotch;1934895]This is my first time in Thailand and this old lady treated me like a king.

She might not have the best face or body but her performance Was excellent.

Pattaya is great for a rookie like me.[/QUOTE]Yes, she has the best body and face I've seen lately in Pattaya! Jessus. Do you guys realize you can go to about 50 countries where you can get women much much better looking for about 35 USD?

I'm sorry to be more of a taker than a giver here at this point but have a lot of intel to gather before my first visit.

Is there a general rule of thumb for a ST clock limit? Would an hour or two at my hotel room be considered ST?

Would love to bag one of those promo girls you see in front of the clubs. Any positive experiences to report with them?

Cheers.

Glad you had a good time, Scotch. We definitely have very different taste but as long as we all have fun it's all good.

[QUOTE=Start123;1934846] Sixty percent of all "girls" are old ladies in their 50's or even 60's. [/QUOTE]You just lost your credibility, son.

[QUOTE=CricketDick;1934932]I'm sorry to be more of a taker than a giver here at this point but have a lot of intel to gather before my first visit.

Is there a general rule of thumb for a ST clock limit? Would an hour or two at my hotel room be considered ST?

Would love to bag one of those promo girls you see in front of the clubs. Any positive experiences to report with them?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]ST is generally an hour or two. The time it takes to get off once. The best looking tout girl I had was on Walking St. She was at least a 9 who was from Bangkok. Said she was too shy to dance and asked if I would buy her friend (sister) a drink. The friend was a 6 so I asked her would the 2 of them barfine together? After a huddle they agreed. Had a real nice workout with the 9 back in the room.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1934894]I'm 46 and I'm going to give it a go.[/QUOTE]Cool! Nice! Glad for you, and hope it works out. All the best.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1934876]Totally agree with you. I was just in Pattaya and it was the worst I'd ever seen it. It's was sad to see the decline of what used to be heaven.[/QUOTE]On board with you. Have been down a couple times lately. It's crowded, the traffic is awful, and the selection of gals is not at all what it used to be, and the tourist demographic leaves a lot to be desired. A decade ago Pattaya was charmingly sleazy; now it's just ugly.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934893]


cmon where is your sense of adventure? .......

To answer an earlier question girls have been barfining themselves out of bars lately since bars are very slow. They either go home to rest or go to places like Hollywood for a big payout.[/QUOTE]Haha! Well said! But, I prefer to work the probabilities as well. So, adventure yes. But not devoid of rationality and logic. Age, looks and my database of experience and analytics shows that 6's, 7's and infrequently low 8's are the sweet spot. For me!!

Obviously for you, 9's and 10's work well. I am more than happy to concede that ground to you. Be happy!

I think the reason why not too many 8/10 anymore is because the average of tourists has changed in the last 15 years.

Indians, Arabs have replaced Europeans-american farangs in South Pattaya. These people love fatty girls.

Asian tourists (Koreans, HKs, Japanese, etc.) prefer going to those big sex buildings up to the north Pattaya (Big Eyes, Climax) where most of the girls are white and skinny. These places are kind of strip tease show where you can call the girl after her performance who will hand-blow job you in some private room for 5000 baht up. You can also chat with the girl and arrange an appointment for ST but I guess the cost will be quite expensive.

Another reason could be the increase of people supporting the girls from abroad. This horrible practice seems to be the norm now. I know girls receiving 30.000 to 50.000 baht monthly who actually don't care to get farangs in Discotheque like it was years ago in Marine Disco. If you go to Insomnia (especially week-end) you're going to find a lot of beauties already supported by someone who's not even there. They won't go with an over 50 like me, they will choose the young good looking farang who's going to pay them a couple of thousands or just a drink or sometime nothing.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934844]

Uncle V, I'm with my girlfriend so no need for me to look. I'm not finding anything better anywhere. Follow what the Japanese do. Walk up to a group of girls, rudely grab her by her arm, and drag her back to your table. I saw a girl who wanted to smack this Japanese guy in the head but then the dollars popped into her head and she thought better not to.

BDog, I'll let Uncle V compare Hollywood to Levels for talent.[/QUOTE]I'm happy you are still with her my friend. She is Jai Dee and one of the prettiest lasses in the realm. She is a real keeper.

Hollywood is way better talent-wise than Levels, which I would actually put behind Ibar / Insomnia. To be honest I was not overly impressed with Levels at all. I thought the girls at Mixx were hotter. But they were asking outrageous prices. And I'd also put Mixx behind Ibar.

Hollywood is the creme de la creme! I look forward to trying it out next trip.

Nevertheless, I don't think its for everyone. The setup is more of an Asian club. Lots of tables and that is where most of the action is. Not much of a dance floor. I don't think my man Haven would really like it as it wouldn't really give him the space to unleash the canned heat that he has hiding in those heels of his. 555.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935080]Another reason could be the increase of people supporting the girls from abroad. This horrible practice seems to be the norm now. I know girls receiving 30.000 to 50.000 baht monthly who actually don't care to get farangs in Discoteque. If you go to Insomnia (especially week-end) you're going to find a lot of beauties already supported by someone who's not even there.[/QUOTE]The practice of supporting the girls from abroad has a lots of loosers but only one winner. The losers are the guys, both the stupid ones sending money from abroad, and the ones actually in Pattaya. The only winners are the ladies.

I have met so many ladies who happily receives a paycheck every month from abroad without doing nothing. Not only from one guy, but from multiple guys.

It happend to me several times when laying in my bed, after I have Fxxxed a lady, she tells me to keep quiet because she needs to call / receive a call from the (cheated, stupid) moneysending "boyfriend" abroad. After telling him she loves him, she is at home in her bed and that she feel tired and need to sleep, she turnes to me and asks me to fxxk her again.

In the morning the gets up early to go to the bank or western union to pick up the latest paycheck from any of the cheated "boyfriends".

What she tells me about them? She thinks they are stupid to send her money for nothing, "but good for me" as they use to say.

I even met several ladies who receives paychecks from guys abroad who they have never met and have no intention to ever meet. The guys have just found them on Facebook or other social media, started to talk to the lady and started to send money. Whoooaaa!

The lady thinks he is realy stupid to send money for nothing "but good for me, I get money for nothing". She will keep taking the money as long as it last.

Before the guy arrives to Thailand the lady makes sure they have a fight and finish with him. Lady gone. Money gone!

The results: A loser guy abroad, a happy lady, and the guys actually in Thailand are also losers because the ladies are not that keen to go to bed with guys since she already receives paychecks from abroad without doing nothing.

In the end, it also bites the stupid money-sending guys in the as, becuase when they actually arrives to Thailand, they will also find out that some ladies are not that keen to go to bed anymore because they get paychecks from other stupid guys abroad!

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935080]I think the reason why not too many 8/10 anymore is because the average of tourists has changed in the last 15 years.

Indians, arabs have replaced europeans-american farangs in South Pattaya. These people love fatty girls.

Asian tourists (koreans, HKs, japanese, etc.) prefer going to those big sex buildings up to the north Pattaya (Big Eyes, Climax) where most of the girls are white and skinny. These places are kind of strip tease show where you can call the girl after her performance who will hand-blow job you in some private room for 5000 baht up. You can also chat with the girl and arrange an appointment for ST but I guess the cost will be quite expensive.

Another reason could be the increase of people supporting the girls from abroad. This horrible practice seems to be the norm now. I know girls receiving 30.000 to 50.000 baht monthly who actually don't care to get farangs in Discoteque like it was years ago in Marine Disco. If you go to Insomnia (especially week-end) you're going to find a lot of beauties already supported by someone who's not even there. They won't go with an over 50 like me, they will choose the young good looking farang who's going to pay them a couple of thousands or just a drink or sometime nothing.[/QUOTE]Marco, I love your posts and agree with everything you say about the scene and about costs. It is spot on and you echo the sentiments of most of us "long-term" residents. One of the reasons for moving here almost 17 years ago now was seeing all the old dudes with the hottest gals. That was certainly the case back in '99. Be it Cowboy, Nana, Pattaya, et al, it was the over 50's who had the hotties. Boy have times changed.

[QUOTE=CricketDick;1934932]
Is there a general rule of thumb for a ST clock limit? Would an hour or two at my hotel room be considered ST?

Would love to bag one of those promo girls you see in front of the clubs. Any positive experiences to report with them?
[/QUOTE]For the sex part ST is usually 1-2+ hours. If you take them to dinner or a disco first before boom boom, then usually 3-4 hours ST with the same 1-2+ hour sex limit. If they like your company and you're in a nice place believe me that ST can turn into a VERY LT.

Trust me when you walk into one of the main clubs I have listed in the past, you won't even remember there was a coyote girl out front. Just buy your gogo girl 1-2 drinks hang out in the bar with them 20-30 minutes and decide if you want ST with her or move on.

[QUOTE=MarioHen;1934877]Yesterday I returned from Pattaya, 2 weeks of happiness, I was the second time in [URL]www.thai-sexy-holiday.com[/URL] sincerely recommend. Before I fly on my own but was more expensive than there. A lot of girls to choose and you can change how to whim.[/QUOTE]Do they let you change your hostess everyday? I was told that you have to book a hostess for a minimum of 3 days.

[QUOTE=ALion2;1935197]The practice of supporting the girls from abroad has a lots of loosers but only one winner. The losers are the guys, both the stupid ones sending money from abroad, and the ones actually in Pattaya. The only winners are the ladies.[/QUOTE]Some people call it generosity. I call it stupidity. The money they sent don't go to the family, money goes to Thai boyfriends, cards, alcohol, ya-baa (extasy-ice), etc. Etc. Engaging a "serious" relationship with these girls is like playing a Russian roulette. Money will be the only subject in the relationship. The more you give the less respect you have back. Pattaya is not a place to fall in love.

If any young good looking fellow is reading, be careful. When a girl decides to get no money from a youngster she's playing a game. It's a strategy. Nothing to do with love.

First of all, she can do that because she has probably some hidden "sponsor" , or she's working is some places like Climax, Big Eyes or Body Massage in North Pattaya. And she does it for 2 reasons:

1) She needs to show her friends she's able to get a young looking fellow,(90% of what these girls do is about showing and earning respect from their community, like flying abroad and put the pictures on Facebook).

2) She needs the guy to fall in love, and once it does happen, she'll start to eat him alive.

Can you imagine a young guy with no monger experience who's going to met a girl staying with him for free, sometime paying for him accommodation, food, and air ticket too. She will let him feel like a kind of Casanova-gigolo'. And once the guy let her come to his country to meet mom and dad, damage is already done, it means she has finally taken control of the situation.

You sound like someone who has been burned before, Marco.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934151]Sorry, I don't get your point. Do you mean that the average in Europe is lower or higher?[/QUOTE]I'm talking about your numbers, the average in Europe seems very low. Its the number at the end of the quote below, 1500 euro per month. That's 375 euro's per week, 75 euro's per day. Assuming an eight hour shift that's a little over 9 euro's per hour. That might be 'normal' for someone working a menial job at the lowest pay scale but there's no way that's the "average" salary of Europe. If I google the average yearly salary in the US I get a straight answer of just over $50 k. I did find the map on this link interesting, it shows the average monthly income and you can see in the map grid what countries are paying far less than others.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1934007]Now, a girl working at 7/11 get 7. 000/10. 000 baht (with overtime) monthly, wich is about 260.00 Euro. A girl working in a factory like Chevrolet, get 15.000 baht (overtime) wich is 384.00 Euro. A Bank employee get 20,000 = about 500.00 Eur, as an head nurse working at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, so let's say that the average of salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht (384,00 Eur), while the average of salary in Europe is about 1. 500 euro (about 58.000 baht) .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935511]You sound like someone who has been burned before, Marco.[/QUOTE]Yeah, maybe has a lot of anger, some hatred and who knows what else bottled up inside.

I'm done with this dude! I can see a person like this getting arrested for something or the other. Just a matter of time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935511]You sound like someone who has been burned before, Marco.[/QUOTE]I think his last post is spot on and sage advice for any dude in LOS. Don't know why you guys are being so negative towards him.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1935444]Do they let you change your hostess everyday? I was told that you have to book a hostess for a minimum of 3 days.[/QUOTE]Every day the girl, can not be exchanged, but if a girl not correspond to your expectations, you need to complaint and exchange her immediately, you can read.[URL]http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/hostesses/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ALion2;1935197]It happend to me several times when laying in my bed, after I have Fxxxed a lady, she tells me to keep quiet because she needs to call / receive a call from the (cheated, stupid) moneysending "boyfriend" abroad. After telling him she loves him, she is at home in her bed and that she feel tired and need to sleep, she turnes to me and asks me to fxxk her again.

In the morning the gets up early to go to the bank or western union to pick up the latest paycheck from any of the cheated "boyfriends".

What she tells me about them? She thinks they are stupid to send her money for nothing, "but good for me" as they use to say.
[/QUOTE]One of my favorite bargirls, with very hot body, was working weekends only and intermittently in a gogo to finance her studies and her younger sister's studies as well in another province (not in Bangkok). I do believe she really is a degree student in Accounting. Then she has stopped gogo working for 2 or 3 months now. So I wonder where her money is coming from. She could easily be receiving regular monthly payments from one or more guys now. Some guys are willing to support girls so they won't have to work as a hooker. She is very pretty and hot but in a classy way. Used hook a customer always within a few minutes, no effort. I hate it because she doesn't show up to work the bar anymore. However she is a horny type that likes sex, so I don't see her going too long without a fuck. Her LINE App profile pic is currently a Barbie doll wearing skimpy sexy lingerie. So I Guess that LINE account ID is for her customers or guys, and maybe a different one for her family etc. Finally she returned LINE app message late last night, but with a one liner. So no clue what is going on with her. Who the fuck is financing her? Shit! Must have a boyfriend or benefactor or something. Could be a rich guy. I hate it when guys manage to get hot girls off the market. I don't care if they send money but the girl still works.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1935588]I think his last post is spot on and sage advice for any dude in LOS. Don't know why you guys are being so negative towards him.[/QUOTE]Thanks my friend but I don't really mind what some people write about me. Funny that some guy here will be happy to see me in prison, soon or later (then I'm the bad guy) , when I'm actually trying to give advices to avoid jail and problems.

Being in Thailand for almost 34 years I never had problems with girls, as I wrote before, I've always treated them with dignity and respect. I can quietly say instead that the majority of foreigners who had problems with the law was due to wrong women relationship (when the things go to right way). In other cases I've seen farangs lose anything, jumping down from the View Talay building, disapper in some isanian village, shot death by their wife's Thai boyfriend (like Steve Miller, a Kiwi guy I knew who has been killed in 2006).

I really don't understand why some people here are so "oversensitive" when the issue goes to "don't fall in love with hookers".

Did I say something wrong? Do these guys fall in love? Sorry, is this a World Sex Guide, a forum where people like me pay to have sex, or a marriage dating forum?

Have I been burned out before? Not personally, but I've seen many friends or people I know who have been to. That's where my advice come from. I could not imagine hurting some gentleman in this forum with something like "do not involve yourself sentimentally with a girl working in Pattaya". What a nasty thing I said.

Last thing I do not understand. Instead of report my posts to the Admin to get me banned out from this forum, why don't you ignore me? It will cost you nothing. Go to my profile, click on "ignore list" and. Boom. No more post from the bad guy writing so many bulls.

You don't do that, you prefer to have me out of here. Nobody here wants to crash your dreams, your fairy tale, but sometime you should take it like a man, even if the truth hurts.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935695]Steve Miller, a Kiwi guy I knew who has been killed in 2006.[/QUOTE]Steve was a delightful person. Always upbeat, friendly, and a joy to be around. That was indeed a tragedy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1935699]Steve was a delightful person. Always upbeat, friendly, and a joy to be around. That was indeed a tragedy.[/QUOTE]A great guy, typical new Zealander, always positive and friendly. She commissioned the homicide to her Thai boyfriend to get 800 thousand baht from Steve's bank account. I still remember when on Pattaya news channel they show Steve's mother in tears at Police Station asking the "handcuffed wife" : "- why did you do that? We have treated you like a daughter. -" The girl laughed on her in front of the camera. Still remember, hard to forget.

I've heard she was released in 2011.


[url]http://www.perryclee.com/248/[/url]

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935711]A great guy, typical new zelander, always positive and friendly. She commissioned the homicide to her thai boyfriend to get 800 thousand baht from Steve's bank account. I still remember when on Pattaya news channel they show Steve's mother in tears at Police Station asking the "handcuffed wife" : "- why did you do that? We have treated you like a daughter. -" The girl laughed on her in front of the camera. Still remember, hard to forget.

I've heard she was released in 2011.


[url]http://www.perryclee.com/248/[/url][/QUOTE]Hard to believe it could happen for just 800 K Baht, not a massive amount of money. I have been with a Thai GF for over 11 years. She is a moderately devote Buddhist. Is not even keen to kill a mosquito. Let it have its fill first and it will go away. I am sure I am far more use to her alive, than dead. My GF does not even know how much money I have. Doesn't need to know. I am not sure she is sufficient usefulness to me. This is normal for long term relationships. Always better not to have a wife. If my GF doesn't need me any more, she can just ask me to go. It's that simple. I did not know how much money she had either, till recently found out she had accumulated 300K Baht, now been used up on home construction.

Meanwhile we hear stories about the Pattaya Flying Club, all those Farangs that went off high buildings, not of their own volition we assume.

Interesting the article suggests he trusted his GF of only 5 months duration and used her bank account. That is a definite stupidity. I know it is hard to get a Thai Bank Account right now, but I have 3 Thai accounts for a long time now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1935588]I think his last post is spot on and sage advice for any dude in LOS. Don't know why you guys are being so negative towards him.[/QUOTE]I wasn't being negative to Marco. Just sounded like he is talking from personal experience.

I am actually quite flattered by his post since I must be a young good looking guy!!! My girl has pics of me all over her real Facebook and she has a 60+ year old balding Japanese (or Korean) sponsor. I guess I fall into the eaten alive category.

Seriously, not in disagreement with most of your post but to say every single girl in Pattaya (or Thailand for that matter) is like this can not be the case. One would have to think there is at least 10-20 good girls out of 30 million.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935711] She commissioned the homicide to her thai boyfriend to get 800 thousand baht from Steve's bank account. [/QUOTE]Sorry if I am misunderstanding this sentence. She told her Thai boyfriend to tell Steve to hand over 800 k or die? Or she previously asked Steve for 800 k and he wouldn't give it to her so she put out a hit on Steve? In either case, Steve would have had time to go to the police or take matters in his own hands.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935736]I wasn't being negative to Marco. Just sounded like he is talking from personal experience.

I am actually quite flattered by his post since I must be a young good looking guy!!! My girl has pics of me all over her real Facebook and she has a 60+ year old balding Japanese (or Korean) sponsor. I guess I fall into the eaten alive category.

Seriously, not in disagreement with most of your post but to say every single girl in Pattaya (or Thailand for that matter) is like this can not be the case. One would have to think there is at least 10-20 good girls out of 30 million.[/QUOTE]I would say the vast majority of dudes I have known through the years had bad experiences with bar-girls GFs. That being said the success rate with "good girls" is really not that much better. Yes, some couples have been together for many years, but I would say for the most part that is due to the man being far more flexible and being able to adapt and of course foot the bill.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935725]Hard to believe it could happen for just 800 K Baht, not a massive amount of money. I have been with a Thai GF for over 11 years. She is a moderately devote Buddhist. Is not even keen to kill a mosquito. Let it have its fill first and it will go away. I am sure I am far more use to her alive, than dead. My GF does not even know how much money I have. Doesn't need to know. I am not sure she is sufficient usefulness to me. This is normal for long term relationships. Always better not to have a wife. If my GF doesn't need me any more, she can just ask me to go. It's that simple. I did not know how much money she had either, till recently found out she had accumulated 300K Baht, now been used up on home construction.

Meanwhile we hear stories about the Pattaya Flying Club, all those Farangs that went off high buildings, not of their own volition we assume.

Interesting the article suggests he trusted his GF of only 5 months duration and used her bank account. That is a definite stupidity. I know it is hard to get a Thai Bank Account right now, but I have 3 Thai accounts for a long time now.[/QUOTE]Excuse me sir, you've been living in Thailand for so many years and you still haven't realized that most thais will never be able to make 800 K baht during their lifetime?

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935711]A great guy, typical new zelander, always positive and friendly. She commissioned the homicide to her thai boyfriend to get 800 thousand baht from Steve's bank account. I still remember when on Pattaya news channel they show Steve's mother in tears at Police Station asking the "handcuffed wife" : "- why did you do that? We have treated you like a daughter. -" The girl laughed on her in front of the camera. Still remember, hard to forget.

I've heard she was released in 2011.

[url]http://www.perryclee.com/248/[/url][/QUOTE]This happens A LOT more than we think. Guys who let girls know anything whatsoever about their financial situation or put bikes / cars / houses / land / savings in the name of their Thai GFs are just begging for trouble or disappointment. The best marks are actually not white guys, but rather Japanese. When I was in the Philippines, I read story after story of Japanese husbands who were quietly killed without reporting their deaths so that government pension checks would keep coming. There were guys who would come back from a trip to their home country only to find that "their" property had been sold by the wife and she had absconded back to the province. And as the story shows, it is easier than most think to get away with such a crime. Another less foreigner or two does not mean anything at all in Asia. Local families trump the foreigner every time. If the family of this Steve guy knew which side of justice was up, they would simply commission an appropriate punishment for the girl they had treated like a daughter. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1935804]This happens A LOT more than we think. Guys who let girls know anything whatsoever about their financial situation or put bikes / cars / houses / land / savings in the name of their Thai GFs are just begging for trouble or disappointment. [/QUOTE]This is a Catch 22 situation. Obviously if a guy lives in Thailand and does not work a girl can easily assume he has some sort of sound financial base. Given the Visa requirements the Thai government has now outed the man that he has a minimum of 700 k baht in order to retire here. There is no way to hide that from a girl.

Personally I am not in Thailand to get a girlfriend. In fact, the last thing I want is a girlfriend or a wife in Thailand or anywhere else.

[QUOTE=Ziggy00;1935801]Excuse me sir, you've been living in Thailand for so many years and you still haven't realized that most thais will never be able to make 800 K baht during their lifetime?[/QUOTE]

Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. Now if we're talking high end gogo girls like I go for where Japanese pay them 5-10k per night and they have a Sponsor, 800k is easily achieved in 1 year. No girl with that income is coming after me personally for my tiddly winks money.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935742]

..... In either case, Steve would have had time to go to the police or take matters in his own hands...


[/QUOTE]Sorry Banana Boi are you living on the moon? - go to Police, if some one want to cheat or kill you? - Police is the main Mafia in Thailand. You are a dreamer. !

Just hope that you never need Police, when you life here.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935725] I have been with a Thai GF for over 11 years. She is a moderately devote Buddhist. Is not even keen to kill a mosquito. ....My GF does not even know how much money I have. .[/QUOTE]I never said that it's impossible to have a long term relationship with a Thai girl, but you will agree with me that the percentage is very low (I don't think you are the norm).

I remember the first time I went to Pattaya back in the 1988, I met an old american guy who was in Vietnam during the 60's. He retired in Pattaya and lived with a beautiful Thai girl who was taking very good care of him. I still remember his words. " The secret for a "safe take care" by a Thai woman is simple: Never buy a house or share a bank account, never let the girl know your financial situation but give her money day by day. Since she get your money day by day she will need you alive and she will always do anything possible to let you stay healthy".

He died at 98 in peace.

Through all the years I always remembered his words, trying to act in this way.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1935804]This happens A LOT more than we think. Guys who let girls know anything whatsoever about their financial situation or put bikes / cars / houses / land / savings in the name of their Thai GFs are just begging for trouble or disappointment. The best marks are actually not white guys, but rather Japanese. When I was in the Philippines, I read story after story of Japanese husbands who were quietly killed without reporting their deaths so that government pension checks would keep coming. There were guys who would come back from a trip to their home country only to find that "their" property had been sold by the wife and she had absconded back to the province. And as the story shows, it is easier than most think to get away with such a crime. Another less foreigner or two does not mean anything at all in Asia. Local families trump the foreigner every time. If the family of this Steve guy knew which side of justice was up, they would simply ommission an appropriate punishment for the girl they had treated like a daughter. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]I'm happy that a dude like Asian Rain, an old Thai-Asian veteran, wrote this report. In the end it is as I thought. The old school users got same point of view.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935827]Since she get your money day by day she will need you alive and she will always do anything possible to let you stay healthy".
[/QUOTE]Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you. Then you have to set her up with house and everything, and see if she still wants you, or at least has feeling of obligation to look after you in your old age.

If she gets her house in her name, she still has no reason to need you done away with. Joint names or a share is more dangerous I think. So I don't really fully agree with Asian Rain.

Anyway after 10 years I start to trust my GF. I don't think she will kill me. Permanence is never guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1935752]I would say the vast majority of dudes I have known through the years had bad experiences with bar-girls GFs. That being said the success rate with "good girls" is really not that much better. Yes, some couples have been together for many years, but I would say for the most part that is due to the man being far more flexible and being able to adapt and of course foot the bill.[/QUOTE]In my country, a Farang wife can take you for a lot more money. I think guys just need to take a long time, be sensible, and do not set yourself up in a situation where others profit too much from your demise.

Best of all, no wife, no GF.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935815]
Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. Now if we're talking high end gogo girls like I go for where Japanese pay them 5-10k per night and they have a Sponsor, 800k is easily achieved in 1 year. No girl with that income is coming after me personally for my tiddly winks money.[/QUOTE]Bananaboi, if you take as average thai income the one of an IBar lady, sorry to say but you have no clue what you're talking about.

Next time you travel to Thailand, get your ass out of the sex trade venues (because that's all you seem to know) and see how normal thai people is living. Then you'll understand that 800 K baht is a huge amount of money for them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935736] One would have to think there is at least 10-20 good girls out of 30 million.[/QUOTE]This what any "fall in love farangs" think. My girl? She's not like the others. She's among the 20 out of 30 milions.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935815]This is a Catch 22 situation. Obviously if a guy lives in Thailand and does not work a girl can easily assume he has some sort of sound financial base. Given the Visa requirements the Thai government has now outed the man that he has a minimum of 700 k baht in order to retire here. There is no way to hide that from a girl.

Personally I am not in Thailand to get a girlfriend. In fact, the last thing I want is a girlfriend or a wife in Thailand or anywhere else.



Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. Now if we're talking high end gogo girls like I go for where Japanese pay them 5-10k per night and they have a Sponsor, 800k is easily achieved in 1 year. No girl with that income is coming after me personally for my tiddly winks money.[/QUOTE]I've seen very few Thai girls who save money. They have to constantly give out to sustain their day to day life style. Four or five long times last week still broke this week. Also when one has money everyone connected to them has money.

[QUOTE=Ziggy00;1935801]Excuse me sir, you've been living in Thailand for so many years and you still haven't realized that most thais will never be able to make 800 K baht during their lifetime?[/QUOTE]I think you exaggerate but only slightly. However I should have said not a lot for Farangs. It doesn't seem enough to be worth dying over. If I pay for a house for my GF and me for 800 K, on her land, she can just tell me to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off if she doesn't need me any more.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935838]Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you. Then you have to set her up with house and everything, and see if she still wants you, or at least has feeling of obligation to look after you in your old age.

If she gets her house in her name, she still has no reason to need you done away with. Joint names or a share is more dangerous I think. So I don't really fully agree with Asian Rain.

Anyway after 10 years I start to trust my GF. I don't think she will kill me. Permanence is never guaranteed.[/QUOTE]You don't understand. The house is a kind of redemption for these girls. It's the only way for the girl to come back to the village stand tall. It's the proof she did not waste her time in Pattaya having fun with friends. She did what she did for the family, so anyone in the village will pay respect to them.

You asking me how can you find out if she really care about you. Very simple. Tell her you have a limited budget and no plan for you to buy her a house.

To be honest with you, I really don't understand why you are here. I'm glad you are happily engaged with a Thai so why wasting your time with people who want just pay for having sex and that's all? I could understand all the fire towards me if we were in a normal Thai Forum like "Mix couple [URL]experience.com[/URL]" or "Thai lifestyle for [URL]foreigner.net[/URL]" , but I really don't here.

Telling in a forum - mostly visited by mongers - that the best way to enjoy Pattaya is to pay girls without engaging any kind of shit-fake lovestory, is it so bad? Is it so far from reality?

So with all respect , who's the intruder here?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935681]One of my favorite bargirls, with very hot body, was working weekends only and intermittently in a gogo to finance her studies and her younger sister's studies as well in another province (not in Bangkok). I do believe she really is a degree student in Accounting. Then she has stopped gogo working for 2 or 3 months now. So I wonder where her money is coming from. She could easily be receiving regular monthly payments from one or more guys now. Some guys are willing to support girls so they won't have to work as a hooker. She is very pretty and hot but in a classy way. Used hook a customer always within a few minutes, no effort. I hate it because she doesn't show up to work the bar anymore. However she is a horny type that likes sex, so I don't see her going too long without a fuck. Her LINE App profile pic is currently a Barbie doll wearing skimpy sexy lingerie. So I Guess that LINE account ID is for her customers or guys, and maybe a different one for her family etc. Finally she returned LINE app message late last night, but with a one liner. So no clue what is going on with her. Who the fuck is financing her? Shit! Must have a boyfriend or benefactor or something. Could be a rich guy. I hate it when guys manage to get hot girls off the market. I don't care if they send money but the girl still works.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, I think she will soon be back again. Most girls will for different reasons:

1. She can't keep up with the requirements the sponsor puts on her.

2. She want more money. No matter how much the sponsor sends, she always want even more and can easily get it through her bar / agogo / freelance work by trying to cheat the sponsor. This happens all the time, over and over and over again!

3. She gets bored by not working / seeing her co-workers - "sisters". And horny by not fxxxxxg. Solution? Back to work and have her own money, without anyone having demands or telling her what to do / not to do, and have some good party and some good fuck!

I used to meet a girl who after a while got a foreign sponsor. He demanded her not to work and not to see other guys. To be a "good lady". Good for her to get money for nothing but boring. As soon as she felt horny she made up a small fight with the sponsor, turned of the phone "in anger", called me and had some fun. After some hours she turned on the phone again just to find like 10 "I'm sorry baby, forgive me" messages from the sponsor. Did he dare to ask what she had been doing during the time her phone was turned of? No way!

Noi, 1.000 baht ST in my place times ago.

Same girl.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1935520]If I google the average yearly salary in the US I get a straight answer of just over $50 k.[/QUOTE]I just heard a report on CNN that the median income in the US is $56,000 per year. That mean's half the people make more than that and half the people make less.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935838]Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you. Then you have to set her up with house and everything, and see if she still wants you, or at least has feeling of obligation to look after you in your old age.[/QUOTE]If you have ever given a chick money or set them up with houses or whatever else then there will be no sure fire way of knowing if she really cares for you. Where did doing this shit come from anyway? I have had plenty of Thai chicks/girlfriends that I have not had to give one silver baht to. (I pay hookers, not girlfriends.) Very easy to know whether they care about you or not in that situation. It makes more sense using your money to rent pussy than trying to buy love. Besides, if I wanted to take care of somebody then I have a long list of family members that I know could use extra money rather than forking it over to some chick that I am fucking.

And despite what Marco thinks, there are girls who are different. My neighbor has been together with her boyfriend for 6 years. He comes every 2 or 3 months. They met when she was working a retail job in Pattaya. I assume he pays everything because she sits on her ass everyday. She said he bought her a house back home. She has the place in Pattaya, a car, and a bike. He sends money for her to pay the bills back home as well. Did I fuck her? Of course. But that was an exception in her otherwise boring life. She wakes up everyday, sits around watching TV, sometimes goes to temple, goes to walk the hill at 4 pm, goes back to sit around in her room, and falls off to sleep about 10 pm. Still, I would recommend 100% not sending money to a chick. She got along before you and she will have no problem getting along after you.

As I said before, a buddy of mine (retired guy close to 70) said the way he tested his girl out was that he acted sick for a while, even to where his girl would have to wipe his ass for him. After that, he acted as if he had ran out of money. His girl went out and got a job to take care of both of them. After a while he knew that he had found a good one. They are together until this day.

[QUOTE=Ziggy00;1935855]Bananaboi, if you take as average thai income the one of an IBar lady, sorry to say but you have no clue what you're talking about.

Next time you travel to Thailand, get your ass out of the sex trade venues (because that's all you seem to know) and see how normal thai people is living. Then you'll understand that 800 K baht is a huge amount of money for them.[/QUOTE]This is an adult sex board and it was an adult sex worker who killed someone for supposedly 800 k. I know what a farm person makes. 200 baht per day if they're lucky working 18 hour days.

Beno, I know what I would do personally in my situation.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1935838]Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you..[/QUOTE]

Like everywhere else in the world, stop giving her money.

Marco, who hurt you?

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935483]Some people call it generosity. I call it stupidity. The money they sent don't go to the family, money goes to thai boyfriends, cards, alcohol, ya-baa (extasy-ice), etc. Etc. Engaging a "serious" relationship with these girls is like playing a russian roulette. Money will be the only subject in the relationship. The more you give the less respect you have back. Pattaya is not a place to fall in love.

If any young good looking fellow is reading, be carefull. When a girl decides to get no money from a youngster she's playing a game. It's a strategy. Nothing to do with love.

First of all, she can do that because she has probably some hidden "sponsor" , or she's working is some places like Climax, Big Eyes or Body Massage in North Pattaya. And she does it for 2 reasons:

1) She needs to show her friends she's able to get a young looking fellow,(90% of what these girls do is about showing and earning respect from their comunity, like flying abroad and put the pictures on Facebook).

2) She needs the guy to fall in love, and once it does happen, she'll start to eat him alive.

Can you immagine a young guy with no monger experience who's going to met a girl staying with him for free, sometime paying for him accomodation, food, and air ticket too. She will let him feel like a kind of casanova-gigolo'. And once the guy let her come to his country to meet mom and dad, damage is already done, it means she has finally taken control of the situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935815]Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. [/QUOTE]And she doesn't have to eat, pay rent, buy fuel for her car or motorcycle, clothes, shoes, the new Iphone, internet and what else? Few Thais are into putting money into a savings account. It seems they are more into spending than saving for a rainiy day.

And besides, how many girls work at IBar (or similar establishments)? I think most Thai wiill work for perhaps 500 or 600 baht per day and they have to feed a family from that money. Your IBar girl is by no means representative for the Thai people.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1935142]I'm happy you are still with her my friend. She is Jai Dee and one of the prettiest lasses in the realm. She is a real keeper.

Hollywood is way better talent-wise than Levels, which I would actually put behind Ibar / Insomnia. To be honest I was not overly impressed with Levels at all. I thought the girls at Mixx were hotter. But they were asking outrageous prices. And I'd also put Mixx behind Ibar.

Hollywood is the creme de la creme! I look forward to trying it out next trip.

Nevertheless, I don't think its for everyone. The setup is more of an Asian club. Lots of tables and that is where most of the action is. Not much of a dance floor. I don't think my man Haven would really like it as it wouldn't really give him the space to unleash the canned heat that he has hiding in those heels of his. 555.[/QUOTE]Have to concur. Oddly enough I went to levels (Bangkok) last Friday and then Ibar (Pattaya) the day after (Sat of course). Levels was fun, I wasn't there looking for a woman but I certainly was scouting around. It was mostly foreigner expat / vacation-trip trust-fund kids. With a few 5's wandering in between who were working girls. I bar on the other hand. Wasn't there long just took a go go girl to there and Insomnia. HM. I can't really recall wasn't looking around much. But in the past, ibar has been filled to with hotties.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight;1935894]
You asking me how can you find out if she really care about you. Very simple. Tell her you have a limited budget and no plan for you to buy her a house.?[/QUOTE]No I was not actually asking. I was just introducing a crazy supposition. A weird sort of logic.

Based on the saying that we "pay girls to leave", and then what happens if we pay them enough to leave, and they still don't leave. Just silly thoughts.

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To be honest with you, I really don't understand why you are here. I'm glad you are happily engaged with a thai so why wasting your time with people who want just pay for having sex and that's all??[/QUOTE]I did hint that having a GF is not a good idea. Its rarely as good as anyone hoped after many years.

I just want to pay for sex with girls too. I am no different.

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I could understand all the fire towards me if we were in a normal Thai Forum like "Mix couple [URL]experience.com[/URL]" or "Thai lifestyle for [URL]foreigner.net[/URL]" , but I really don't here.[/QUOTE]
What fire was that? I did comment you were in the wrong place once in my opinion, for what you wanted and what you wanted to pay.
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Telling in a forum - mostly visited by mongers - that the best way to enjoy Pattaya is to pay girls without engaging any kind of shit-fake lovestory, is it so bad? Is it so far from reality?.[/QUOTE]That is good advice.

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So with all respect , who's the intruder here?[/QUOTE]Seemed to be a topic not really specific to Pattaya. Could happen anywhere. Guys getting knocked off by Thai girls, and the risks.

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Like everywhere else in the world, stop giving her money.[/QUOTE]If guy with lots of money meets a pauper girl, and refuses to ever support her in anyway, are they going to work as couple? He would obviously be a selfish bastard. If they both are equally well off, then fine she doesn't need any help. The guy can try to pretend he has no money for a while but I guess he will get found out eventually, or he will just get rejected.

Stunning young girl with big tits marries 80 year old millionaire. How come? Is it because he is so handsome? Of course not.

You meet some girl you like. She doesn't have the money to pay her rent. She can't afford to go see the doctor. She its eating Ma Ma Noodles every day. You can't give her any help, lest you will be buying her love. Is she going to love you, because you make her suffer? I don't think so.

I don't believe there are such simple answers. There are always significant problems for couples of greatly different means. This may not happen so much in USA, but still occurs.

Why do Thai girls take much older farangs? Because maybe that is the best guy they can find that will help look after them. If they have lots of choices, they will take the best one. If they have lots of options, will they choose the poorest possible option? Shit no. Is money the only criteria for selection? Not at all.

My father was the bread winner, my mother was the housewife and had the kids, and supported by her husband. This is fucking normal in the west, maybe not so much in the modern day. The guy cannot just say to the wife that she gets no money. Couples having a sharing relationship, greatly dependent on the money income of each partner. That is how couples work. If there is no sharing, is there really a couple at all?

Of course a guy sending money to a girl is not any evidence of a proper couple at all, and he maybe getting duped. Guys get into these things overly fast.

Every person for themselves. Is that how couples work? Who is going to support the kids?