Medellin Reports

The mamasan of chicas punto com offered me a flaca on a day that my favorite wasn't there and a day I didn't like the line up with many gordas feas and some flacas. She brought a shy and pretty flaca to me and said she was great, but I declined after seeing the girl was flaca to the bones which not my usual type. I felt bad after leaving and for declining and not spending 40 k or 13 dollars for a session with the flaca I was offered. I was thinking what the fuck is wrong with me for declining and now becoming picky and looking for the perfect girl when I can always have fun with a decent looking chic and that flaca was better than decent looking.

My favorite there is not a girl I would consider a flaca. She's petite but well proportioned and slim with a round ass and small breast and cute face without make up. She wasn't that friendly in the presentation not smiling but she was a good performer and affectionate in the room. Her name was dulce Maria, same name as a cutie I found in Bogota in my last trip. I wanted to pm you a pic but I could not find her photo and her Whatsapp is no longer working. I like going to that casa even thought at times is not that clean. At least the rooms have showers and you can wash there after a session or prior.

Cerebro

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1893582]Hi Cerebro, thank you for the comment. Was your girl a flaca called Yuli or Valentina?

Except Balcon de Cuba, beds in all the Centro casas are nasty.

When I rented a room at a hotel close to Puntos a few years ago, they sent a girl to the room without extra fees.

They may still do it.

Yes some girls at Puntos are nice and friendly. They give you phone numbers and Facebook names..[/QUOTE]

Ladies.

We all know about the Casas and the pros and where to find them. This report is not about those venues, instead I look for the nonpros and your avarage teen in the street from the barrios.

At first it was weird and it still is but all I do is approach the girls. No game no bullshit. Just say excuse me and say something nice (don't walk with her or after her at this point just stand still, its either she will too or not. If not then just smile and carry on), a brief introduction then ask them about themselves and where they going or doing now! Then invite her for a soda, talk and flirt and tell her how you like to help her financially if she is intereste, the in spending private time with you. Ask her what would she do if she gets 50 lucas right now! How would she spend it?!

I really do hit the pavements and walk sometimes for hours before I either get one or just quit for that day.

IMHO I find many of them are contemplating the thought but scared of the stigma associated. And they have great financial needs and yes they seem happy and pleasant and yes they truely are happy and pleasan and not desperate and boy do they carry a ton of pride and this last part cost me a few fine asses! But hey you lose and you learn for the next one!

You need to be patient and strong mentally because even an inclined first timer wants an illusion to get over that hesitation. The younger the easier they are convinced if you promise cloths as a gift.

One thing you need to be prepared for with the paisas is that they play the texting delay game! And sometimes don't respond for a couple of days. That really pisses me of. In my mind she needs the money, why wouldn't she be more responsive so we can do business. But in her mind, she doesn't want to come across as desperate and sluty. YOU REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS PART TO NOT GET UPSET AND POSSIBLY LOSE A FINE BOOTY!

It's not a dating game typically. . because your relationship is of a different kind where money and gifts are given for booty and companionship! Personnally, I am sponsoring them while in the city.

Of course there will be resistance and lame ass excuses. And some will flat out reject the proposition (Respectfully and never be upset or offended BTW) and I'm not going to tell you it's all smooth sailing but this is not about what's impossible and how it's impossible. . this is about what could happen if you do this ON A REGULAR BASIS! HUNTING IS WHAT I CALL IT. Here are the catches I found. ALL GFE NO EXCEPTIONS!

The best part is when one brings another friend and then that friend brings another friend and we have a trio (the 2 in the shower).

Good luck and always smile and approach.

P.S.: as you admire the ladies in the bellow photos remember to multiply them by 10 and that'll be close to how many girls in total I propositioned or attempted but was ignored!

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1893696]Ladies.

We all know about the Casas and the pros and where to find them. This report is not about those venues, instead I look for the nonpros and your avarage teen in the street from the barrios.

At first it was weird and it still is but all I do is approach the girls. No game no bullshit. Just say excuse me and say something nice (don't walk with her or after her at this point just stand still, its either she will too or not. If not then just smile and carry on), a brief introduction then ask them about themselves and where they going or doing now! Then invite her for a soda, talk and flirt and tell her how you like to help her financially if she is intereste, the in spending private time with you. Ask her what would she do if she gets 50 lucas right now! How would she spend it?!

I really do hit the pavements and walk sometimes for hours before I either get one or just quit for that day.

IMHO I find many of them are contemplating the thought but scared of the stigma associated. And they have great financial needs and yes they seem happy and pleasant and yes they truely are happy and pleasan and not desperate and boy do they carry a ton of pride and this last part cost me a few fine asses! But hey you lose and you learn for the next one!

You need to be patient and strong mentally because even an inclined first timer wants an illusion to get over that hesitation. The younger the easier they are convinced if you promise cloths as a gift.

One thing you need to be prepared for with the paisas is that they play the texting delay game! And sometimes don't respond for a couple of days. That really pisses me of. In my mind she needs the money, why wouldn't she be more responsive so we can do business. But in her mind, she doesn't want to come across as desperate and sluty. YOU REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS PART TO NOT GET UPSET AND POSSIBLY LOSE A FINE BOOTY!

It's not a dating game typically. . because your relationship is of a different kind where money and gifts are given for booty and companionship! Personnally, I am sponsoring them while in the city.

Of course there will be resistance and lame ass excuses. And some will flat out reject the proposition (Respectfully and never be upset or offended BTW) and I'm not going to tell you it's all smooth sailing but this is not about what's impossible and how it's impossible. . this is about what could happen if you do this ON A REGULAR BASIS! HUNTING IS WHAT I CALL IT. Here are the catches I found. ALL GFE NO EXCEPTIONS!

The best part is when one brings another friend and then that friend brings another friend and we have a trio (the 2 in the shower).

Good luck and always smile and approach.

P.S.: as you admire the ladies in the bellow photos remember to multiply them by 10 and that'll be close to how many girls in total I propositioned or attempted but was ignored![/QUOTE]I could never do this on the streets. Just me. However, I could probably do this in a non pro club.

Same difference, remember he said you have to be discreet and respectful. If you don't follow the girl or insist too much, it looks like a casual conversation on the street. It definitely works. It's easy to forget the part about it being a numbers game. It's one success for dozens of attempts. The time investment is the same for all, the value will vary from person to person. Some nice looking girls in those pics.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1893853]I could never do this on the streets. Just me. However, I could probably do this in a non pro club.[/QUOTE]

Hi dear mongers,

This is Part 2 of my visit to Medellin.

On Saturday which was my second day in Medellin I woke up, had a quick breakfast, worked a little bit (emails etc) and headed about 12 am to Centro for the Casas. Before that I bought some Viagra from a pharmacy, I paid 40 M for 4 in Llaures (more to that in my report next day.) My plan was to visit a new Casa, but due to problems with the Phone-data of Tigo I couldn't load Matts Maps so I went to New Life again. About 10-12 ladies were offered to me and I chose a young one I had seen the day before that I wanted to have a session with in the future. Her name was Azul or Azur, pretty young, I guess 18-20. I chose the 30 minute option for 45 M Cop. She was very GF, no silicone but had a sweet young tight body and a nice smile. We went to a room that was bigger than the room the day prior had a shower together and went to bed, she did a great covered BJ, different positions, all in all no complains. She was very active to please but not in a rush. I tried to get her local phone number, but either she didn't want or she didn't understand me.

After I left New Life my plan was to explore Centro more. So I walked in different directions. I couldn't recognize anything I saw the prior weeks on Google Earth and was confused about my poor research. I couldn't event find the Metro. So I decided to have some lunch trying to fix my data problem on the phone with the help of a waiter that spoke some English. There was a Football game, so I decided to watch it with the people in this restaurant. And since all in this restaurant were wearing green shirts, I decided to cheer for the Green and against the Team wearing the white Shirts. And so I made some friends. OK, I don't speak any Spanish, my vocabulary has perhaps 20 sentences not more, but this helped me with my cheering to make some friends with locals in this restaurant. Goal and bueno was all I had to say. At the end of the game some guy handed me a card which was obvious a Casa. I asked him "donde esta? So he took me to a side Street walked about 100 meters and entered a door. We went up to the 1st floor. I must say I was not very comfortable and had all my senses on alert entering this place.

But I was lucky and this Casa had 6 ladies between which I would rate a 6-8. I asked cuanto cuesta? They handed me a list, I took the 30 m option for 35 M Cop.

I chose a young stunner called Tatyana with fake tits and ass this time, I guess her age was somewhere between 18-22. Once we entered the room, I gave her the 50 M Cop and asked with my best smile "Mamada Sin Condom?" As soon as she returned the smile I knew the deal was OK. I learned this from you guys.

She was really sweet, started to undress me, kissed me on my neck, I undressed here with some kisses too. I knew I made the right choice already.

We went and took a shower together and I must sat I was afraid coming already. She massaged me under the shower and so I rushed her to bed.

As it is with youngsters she didn't give the best BJ of my life, but she gave her best, sucking with a lot of saliva, licking balls etc. After about 10 minutes if BBBJ I made signs it was about time to fuck. She put a Condom and we fucked for another 10 minutes, Cowgirl & Doggy. I finished and was drained and just wanted to get out for some drink. We didn't exchange phones and nothing. I was just to tired. Jet lag, the party night before etc.

But I didn't want to go home, I wanted to find the fucking street action in Centro you guys talked about. So I walked again in direction Carrera 46 and crossed the street and guess what? I could see the Metro far away. This was on the 11th of June. More to report on Centro in my next post.

Greetings,

Easyease

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1893987]Same difference, remember he said you have to be discreet and respectful. If you don't follow the girl or insist too much, it looks like a casual conversation on the street. It definitely works. It's easy to forget the part about it being a numbers game. It's one success for dozens of attempts. The time investment is the same for all, the value will vary from person to person. Some nice looking girls in those pics.[/QUOTE]I used to do this religiously where I live in the US when I was in my 20's and good-looking. It definitely can work if you develop a good schtick.

In MDE, this will be more easily done in the areas with few foreigners. Poblado might be tough. In Poblado, it's almost assumed that a Gringo is looking for a prepago and they might not want to be seen with you.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1893696]Ladies.

We all know about the Casas and the pros and where to find them. This report is not about those venues, instead I look for the nonpros and your avarage teen in the street from the barrios.

At first it was weird and it still is but all I do is approach the girls. No game no bullshit. Just say excuse me and say something nice (don't walk with her or after her at this point just stand still, its either she will too or not. If not then just smile and carry on), a brief introduction then ask them about themselves and where they going or doing now! Then invite her for a soda, talk and flirt and tell her how you like to help her financially if she is intereste, the in spending private time with you. Ask her what would she do if she gets 50 lucas right now! How would she spend it?!

I really do hit the pavements and walk sometimes for hours before I either get one or just quit for that day.

IMHO I find many of them are contemplating the thought but scared of the stigma associated. And they have great financial needs and yes they seem happy and pleasant and yes they truely are happy and pleasan and not desperate and boy do they carry a ton of pride and this last part cost me a few fine asses! But hey you lose and you learn for the next one!

You need to be patient and strong mentally because even an inclined first timer wants an illusion to get over that hesitation. The younger the easier they are convinced if you promise cloths as a gift.

One thing you need to be prepared for with the paisas is that they play the texting delay game! And sometimes don't respond for a couple of days. That really pisses me of. In my mind she needs the money, why wouldn't she be more responsive so we can do business. But in her mind, she doesn't want to come across as desperate and sluty. YOU REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS PART TO NOT GET UPSET AND POSSIBLY LOSE A FINE BOOTY!

It's not a dating game typically. . because your relationship is of a different kind where money and gifts are given for booty and companionship! Personnally, I am sponsoring them while in the city.

Of course there will be resistance and lame ass excuses. And some will flat out reject the proposition (Respectfully and never be upset or offended BTW) and I'm not going to tell you it's all smooth sailing but this is not about what's impossible and how it's impossible. . this is about what could happen if you do this ON A REGULAR BASIS! HUNTING IS WHAT I CALL IT. Here are the catches I found. ALL GFE NO EXCEPTIONS!

The best part is when one brings another friend and then that friend brings another friend and we have a trio (the 2 in the shower).

Good luck and always smile and approach.

P.S.: as you admire the ladies in the bellow photos remember to multiply them by 10 and that'll be close to how many girls in total I propositioned or attempted but was ignored![/QUOTE]Simply beautiful! Great game! Great strategy! Give me a good reason to learn Spanish.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1894079]Simply beautiful! Great game! Great strategy! Give me a good reason to learn Spanish.
[/QUOTE]Great game? Great strategy? Yeah, if you are a guy under 30 (and look 20's) maybe. I'm sorry I don't know the age of the guy who is doing this, but but anybody over 30 trying to proposition 18-19 year girls on the steet is just a creep. Stalking out parks and walking streets for teenage girls is just wrong IMO.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1894146]Great game? Great strategy? Yeah, if you are a guy under 30 (and look 20's) maybe. I'm sorry I don't know the age of the guy who is doing this, but but anybody over 30 trying to proposition 18-19 year girls on the steet is just a creep. Stalking out parks and walking streets for teenage girls is just wrong IMO.[/QUOTE]You seem not to be aware of the different attitudes about this in Latin America. While the men are looking for youth and beauty, the women are looking for security and that almost always means someone older, someone who has had time to amass at least some financial resources. I think you are applying values from a different society to a situation in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1894146]Great game? Great strategy? Yeah, if you are a guy under 30 (and look 20's) maybe. I'm sorry I don't know the age of the guy who is doing this, but but anybody over 30 trying to proposition 18-19 year girls on the steet is just a creep. Stalking out parks and walking streets for teenage girls is just wrong IMO.[/QUOTE]What's wrong with a guy wanting to go with girls of legal age younger than him. Your implying that any guy who approach's s a woman more than 10 years younger is a creep. Perhaps you should clarify this as my bet is that 99% of the guys on this board go with girls at least 10 years younger. As far as meeting women in parks and streets what's wrong with that? To me it beats the casa's and the clubs.

[QUOTE=PapiQueRico;1894166]You seem not to be aware of the different attitudes about this in Latin America. While the men are looking for youth and beauty, the women are looking for security and that almost always means someone older, someone who has had time to amass at least some financial resources. I think you are applying values from a different society to a situation in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Sounds like values and attitudes of a North American society to me.

Older man Going out with the Colombian 18-19 year old girls and is not that creepy. I don't find it creepy and I'm 47. The girls don't seem to care as long as they like you. I have seen a lot of older Colombian guys with girls several decades younger too and they seem fine. Keep in mind you are in a different culture where this is more normalized. I don't see that this is wrong as you think. Then don't come to Colombia and stay in the USA fucking old ugly putas (if you find any). Who cares anyway since we are not breaking any laws and everyone is consenting. Those 18 year old girls that the other poster is hunting and having so much fun also want to be with him or older man like us. Yes they after our money and potential security we could provide, but we are after their beauty, pussy, company, and youth. And also those young girls are often the one doing the hunting with their flirtatious ways, manners, dress, gestures, etc. Just relax and have fun with a hot 18 Colombian girl.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1894146]Great game? Great strategy? Yeah, if you are a guy under 30 (and look 20's) maybe. I'm sorry I don't know the age of the guy who is doing this, but but anybody over 30 trying to proposition 18-19 year girls on the steet is just a creep. Stalking out parks and walking streets for teenage girls is just wrong IMO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PapiQueRico;1894166]You seem not to be aware of the different attitudes about this in Latin America. While the men are looking for youth and beauty, the women are looking for security and that almost always means someone older, someone who has had time to amass at least some financial resources. I think you are applying values from a different society to a situation in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Very true but there are limits. BrasilSoccer0 is approaching women on the street in el centro where there is absolutely no expectation of privacy and where women will be most open to this kind of offer.

Now if he was approaching strata 5 and 6 chicks at El Tesoro mall. I'd be in 100 percent agreement with Queen35.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1894146]Great game? Great strategy? Yeah, if you are a guy under 30 (and look 20's) maybe. I'm sorry I don't know the age of the guy who is doing this, but but anybody over 30 trying to proposition 18-19 year girls on the steet is just a creep. Stalking out parks and walking streets for teenage girls is just wrong IMO.[/QUOTE]By that standard, anyone who goes to Medellin (or any other common mongering destination), who is over 30, for the purpose of paying women 18-19 for sex is just wrong.

Does it make it right if she's in a casa, a strip club or just walking down the street? How about if the guy is 25, but looks 35 and the girl is 25, but looks 18? Is it wrong because they appear to have your declared "creep" age difference? What if the 18 year old is actively flirting with the over 30 man, because he's the type and age she prefers? What if he turned 30 yesterday and she turns 20 tomorrow? Does that 2 day difference in ages make it creepy?

Prior to WW2, an age difference greater than 10 years was common throughout the world, and still is common in most of the world. In the US today, about 7. 5% of marriages have a husband at least 10 years older than the wife. If you find the age difference creepy, it's probably best if you stay home, because anywhere in Central America, South America, Europe or Asia, you're going to see a lot of things to creep you out. I expect the same is true for Africa and Australia.

Maybe what's wrong is your belief that you're qualified to judge the rest of the world. Especially from the vantage point of someone on a forum dedicated to Pay 4 Play sex, who apparently travels around to find young women for cheap sex.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1893696]Ladies.

We all know about the Casas and the pros and where to find them

...........

P.S.: as you admire the ladies in the bellow photos remember to multiply them by 10 and that'll be close to how many girls in total I propositioned or attempted but was ignored![/QUOTE]Excellent. Any chance you can put me into contact with that girl with long hair hanging over her ass?

[QUOTE=EasyEase;1893996]...Before that I bought some Viagra from a pharmacy, I paid 40 M for 4 in Llaures (more to that in my report next day.) [/QUOTE]I buy the generic brand (Genfar) which works just as well or better than the Viagra brand for me. The cost is less than 4 mil for four 50 MG tablets at the pharmacy on Calle 10 across from the Mondongo restaurant near Park Lleras.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1894146]Great game? Great strategy? Yeah, if you are a guy under 30 (and look 20's) maybe. I'm sorry I don't know the age of the guy who is doing this, but but anybody over 30 trying to proposition 18-19 year girls on the steet is just a creep. Stalking out parks and walking streets for teenage girls is just wrong IMO.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Maybe it works for him, props to him, enjoy! That's a lot of walking, a lot of time invested, a lot of rejections (1 out of 100's? & you may get in trouble for looking like a stalker. No thanks, I'll stick to the sure bet!

Well-balanced, realistic view.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1894214]Very true but there are limits. BrasilSoccer0 is approaching women on the street in el centro where there is absolutely no expectation of privacy and where women will be most open to this kind of offer.

Now if he was approaching strata 5 and 6 chicks at El Tesoro mall. I'd be in 100 percent agreement with Queen35.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1894345]I buy the generic brand (Genfar) which works just as well or better than the Viagra brand for me. The cost is less than 4 mil for four 50 MG tablets at the pharmacy on Calle 10 across from the Mondongo restaurant near Park Lleras.[/QUOTE]The quality of generic Viagra can and does vary from brand to brand. Some brands are excellent, others are crap. Even within a brand you can get a batch where the active ingredients are not where they should be. The best bet it to buy from one of the national chains. I stocked up on Viagra from a little pharmacy in El Centro. They must have decided to screw the gringo because they were all crap.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1894146]Great game? Great strategy? Yeah, if you are a guy under 30 (and look 20's) maybe. I'm sorry I don't know the age of the guy who is doing this, but but anybody over 30 trying to proposition 18-19 year girls on the steet is just a creep. Stalking out parks and walking streets for teenage girls is just wrong IMO.[/QUOTE]I am amazed that we have guys under 30 who actually participate in this hobby and read this forum. Except for an occasional bachelor party or vacation, this is no hobby for young guys. Its for the old farts. We have put in the all the hard work chasing pussy all these years and now we need a break. Any self-respecting young guy should be getting free pussy through game, except during emergency periods of extreme pussy drought.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1893696]Ladies.

We all know about the Casas and the pros and where to find them. This report is not about those venues, instead I look for the nonpros and your avarage teen in the street from the barrios. ......

[/QUOTE]Great report. I'm one of those for whom foreign languages comes very tough. I continue to study but will likely never be fluent enough, but one can dream.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1894369]I totally agree. Maybe it works for him, props to him, enjoy! That's a lot of walking, a lot of time invested, a lot of rejections (1 out of 100's? & you may get in trouble for looking like a stalker. No thanks, I'll stick to the sure bet![/QUOTE]It is just like talking to regular chicks everyday, except when he gets so far he offers to pay them. To tell the truth he could probably fuck them without paying them as same as it is done with regular chicks. If they offered to go for a drink with him as a regular chick, then 9 times out of 10 they would fuck him. He should try it without offering the money and see what happens. Regular chicks like to fuck too. It is not always about money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1894557]It is just like talking to regular chicks everyday, except when he gets so far he offers to pay them. To tell the truth he could probably fuck them without paying them as same as it is done with regular chicks. If they offered to go for a drink with him as a regular chick, then 9 times out of 10 they would fuck him. He should try it without offering the money and see what happens. Regular chicks like to fuck too. It is not always about money.[/QUOTE]Sustained! Spoken like a true player!

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1894415]. I stocked up on Viagra from a little pharmacy in El Centro. They must have decided to screw the gringo because they were all crap.[/QUOTE]Were they just ineffective? Or any side effects? Thanks.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1894429]I am amazed that we have guys under 30 who actually participate in this hobby and read this forum. Except for an occasional bachelor party or vacation, this is no hobby for young guys. Its for the old farts. We have put in the all the hard work chasing pussy all these years and now we need a break. Any self-respecting young guy should be getting free pussy through game, except during emergency periods of extreme pussy drought.[/QUOTE]For us old farts we are in what's called the "Pay Pool".

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1894429]I am amazed that we have guys under 30 who actually participate in this hobby and read this forum. Except for an occasional bachelor party or vacation, this is no hobby for young guys. Its for the old farts. We have put in the all the hard work chasing pussy all these years and now we need a break. Any self-respecting young guy should be getting free pussy through game, except during emergency periods of extreme pussy drought.[/QUOTE]Maybe a lot of the younger guys are sick of the dating game. Dinner, drinks and endless listening to the useless chatter coming out of their mouths. After all the time and expense, maybe you get lucky and get laid. Then afterwards you discover it wasn't worth all the time, money, effort and you could have payed to have a hotter babe fuck your brains out for less. I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as free, there is always a price to pay.

I started mongering in my 50's. My only regret is I didn't start in my 20's.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1894593]Were they just ineffective? Or any side effects? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, just ineffective. No side effects. Poor quality control over the manufacturing process means inconsistent effectiveness.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1894547]Great report. I'm one of those for whom foreign languages comes very tough. I continue to study but will likely never be fluent enough, but one can dream.[/QUOTE]The key to learning Spanish is practice, practice practice. You can't learn it from a book or on the internet or from a college course. You learn it by doing it. Immersion is the best way. I currently use a tutor in Medellin. I met with her on my recent trip each day. Now I do it over Skype 3 times a week. I am making a lot of progress. If anyone wants a tutor PM me.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1894675]I started mongering in my 50's. My only regret is I didn't start in my 20's.[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. I 'Discovered' Costa Rica 6 years ago & although will continue to go back fishing out of Jaco / Los Suenos with friends, find myself growing weary of it after 4 or 5 days. Which is why I am going to MDE at the end of this month. I know, I know. I'm one of the guys that is ruining it for the rest of why'all, however, I do know how to keep a low profile, speak Spanish fairly well & I don't act like the stereotypical Gringo! I am in the 'Old Fart' category (55 yo) & will be staying at the Mansion as it is my first trip to the MDE. Hopefully everything will go as well as I hope and I will have a detailed TR following my return.

Lots of useful intel here. So thanks to everyone!

El Mechanico

In RTFF posts from the last 2 years, the subject of learning, speaking & IMO, most importantly, understanding Spanish has come up from time to time. I consider myself a fairly good Spanish speaker after 13 semesters of university level Spanish & probably 40+ trips to Mexico, & several Central Am. Countries as well as being married to a Honduran woman for a short while.

My definition of 'Fluent' in Spanish is speaking well enough to go to court in a Spanish speaking country & completely understand what is being said to me. I have no problem getting around, talking to the chicas, traveling, ordering food or whatever, however, from time to time, I have to ask whomever I am talking to to repeat themselves & eventually get what they are saying. And of course the dialects & slang is different from country to country, as I discovered in Panama last December in speaking to a Colombian, Cuban, Venezuelan & local girls.

I know that someone who grew up in a Spanish speaking household or in a Spanish speaking country & Spanish is his first language, would be considered fluent. What I find amusing are the people that speak cartoon Spanish.

In the Del Rey 2/8 in the lobby bar, I overheard a fellow monger talking to a chica at a table behind me.

His sentence verbatim, "I sorry my friend make you cry. I no make you cry!

He was using baby babble to say, "I'm sorry my friend made you cry, I won't make you cry!

What is up with this I don't know Spanish, so if I talk like (I'm talking to) a baby in broken English, they will understand me!

If she understands the baby babble, she will understand you when you speak correct English. One does not assimilate into another culture by speaking slow, loud, broken English Baby Babble!

When I was in Thailand in the mid-80's (oilfield) a fellow employee would use this slow, louder than normal, broken English to pretend like he was speaking Thai. Simply idiotic in my opinion.

My point is, why not put out 5 minutes worth of effort & learn how to say 'Lo siento que mi amigo te hizo llorar! Yo no voy a hacerte llorar!

Even if what I just typed is broken Spanish, it's a gazillion times more appropriate than cartoon broken on purpose English!! Spanish is not that hard to learn people.

So, if that is the only thing I have to ponder on today, it'll be a good day!

Your thoughts gentlemen?? Feel free to guff, harass & call me out as needed!

Thanks,

El Mechanico

When I first joined in April, I posted a few questions & was promptly told to RTFF!! I wasn't to happy about it, however, having 3 months to research & gather intel on the MDE, I started reading posts from 4/2014 which is about page 380 ish right now. I am 'up' to page 165 & have about 120 or so pages to get caught up to the point where I joined.

I must say, whoever told me to RTFF was correct! All of my initial questions were answered plus a ton more. There is so much info in the posts that almost any topic has already been answered ad infinitum! In reading all of the posts in chronological order, I can understand why the regulars get aggravated with newbies (I still consider myself a newbie!) asking a question that was discussed a page or two earlier.

Anyway, great forum & thanks for the advice to RTFF. There is a vast wealth ok knowledge in this forum!!

Thanks,

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1894196]Older man Going out with the Colombian 18-19 year old girls and is not that creepy. I don't find it creepy and I'm 47. The girls don't seem to care as long as they like you. I have seen a lot of older Colombian guys with girls several decades younger too and they seem fine. Keep in mind you are in a different culture where this is more normalized. I don't see that this is wrong as you think. Then don't come to Colombia and stay in the USA fucking old ugly putas (if you find any). Who cares anyway since we are not breaking any laws and everyone is consenting. Those 18 year old girls that the other poster is hunting and having so much fun also want to be with him or older man like us. Yes they after our money and potential security we could provide, but we are after their beauty, pussy, company, and youth. And also those young girls are often the one doing the hunting with their flirtatious ways, manners, dress, gestures, etc. Just relax and have fun with a hot 18 Colombian girl.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, however, I do not know how other hobbyists feel but in my last few trips to Medellin I became very self conscious about how the paisas in the street view me. I get the feeling that they see gringos as mongers. Shadowing young girls in the streets would just be too much of a spotlight on me. I stand out enough as it is already. I prefer to be covert which is why I would much prefer to do the same in a non pro club. I have grown to like Sao Paulo very much which is where I am now. Here I am anonymous and not focussed on by street folks, I blend in much better here. With the advent of hoards of gringo mongers invading Medellin I think SP is the future of my Latin American hobbying. This city is just too huge to go the way of Sosua, Panama City, San Jose, etc.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1894821] 'Lo siento que mi amigo te hizo llorar! Yo no voy a hacerte llorar![/QUOTE]That would certainly be understood by any Spanish speaker. But, in that sentence, 'lo siento' expresses an emotion on the part of the speaker. That (plus a change in subject, so the infinitive cannot be used) is one of the triggers for the use of the subjunctive in the dependent clause, so it would be: '¡Lo siento que mi amigo te [B]hiciera[/B] llorar!'

The way to master the subjunctive, which is rarely used in English but continually used in Spanish, is first to be able to recognize it when you hear it, from the change in the vowel of the conjugated verb: 'a' becomes 'e' and 'e' and 'i' become 'a'; unfortunately 'hacer' is irregular in the subjunctive so the pattern doesn't hold. Those verbs you just have to memorize. Then, once you can recognize it, every time you hear it, ask yourself why the speaker used the subjunctive.

The acronymn 'WEIRD-O' covers most of the triggers that, when occurring in the subject or independent clause, require the use of the subjunctive mood in the dependent clause (if there is a change in the subject; if no change in subject, the infinitive would be used).

W: Wishes.

E: Emotions (such as 'I'm sorry that')

I: Impersonal expressions: Es necesario que, es bueno que, es mal que, con tal que, etc.

R: Recommendations: Te aviso que, te mando que, te digo que, sugiero que, etc.

T: Doubt: Dudo que, no creo que, es posible que, es probable que, es difícil que, es raro que, etc.

O: orders, or the command or imperative tense. While not technically the subjunctive, the second-person formal or Ud. commands are formed the same way as the third-person subjunctive (el, ella).

Hope that helps!

[QUOTE=TellAll;1894675]Maybe a lot of the younger guys are sick of the dating game. Dinner, drinks and endless listening to the useless chatter coming out of their mouths. After all the time and expense, maybe you get lucky and get laid. Then afterwards you discover it wasn't worth all the time, money, effort and you could have payed to have a hotter babe fuck your brains out for less. I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as free, there is always a price to pay.
[/QUOTE]This times 1-muthafuckin-00!

I'm in my early 30's. I made my first official mongering trip to Blackbeard's in Puerto Plata (DR) at the age of 26. The dating game in the US is just as TellAll described it. Even today I luck up and can get a chick that I met online to come over to chill without having to go through the song and dance of meeting up for coffee, dinner, walk in the park, etc. But that may happen once out of every 20 chicks I come across. You'll go fucking broke before you get laid dating here, LOL. I meet a lot of women online, but I don't have the time, money, nor energy to go on a date every single night of the week or multiple dates with a handful of chicks.

Most of them explicitly state upfront "I'm not coming to your house, and you are not coming to mine!" And I have also found that most of the women here work just as much as I do, if not more. Double that if they have a kid or two. Mongering works for me because it allows me to keep more of my time, which is just as valuable as money to me.

It'd be a lot different if I looked like a young Chris Hemsworth (Thor) and had to beat women off of me with a stick daily. But I am the one that has to do the chasing and it's just not worth it most of the time.

When I think about it, all of my paid pussy (including here in the US) looks-wise was 10x hotter than any of my non-p4p American pussy.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1894988]This times 1-muthafuckin-00!

I'm in my early 30's. I made my first official mongering trip to Blackbeard's in Puerto Plata (DR) at the age of 26. The dating game in the US is just as TellAll described it. Even today I luck up and can get a chick that I met online to come over to chill without having to go through the song and dance of meeting up for coffee, dinner, walk in the park, etc. But that may happen once out of every 20 chicks I come across. You'll go fucking broke before you get laid dating here, LOL. I meet a lot of women online, but I don't have the time, money, nor energy to go on a date every single night of the week or multiple dates with a handful of chicks.

Most of them explicitly state upfront "I'm not coming to your house, and you are not coming to mine!" And I have also found that most of the women here work just as much as I do, if not more. Double that if they have a kid or two. Mongering works for me because it allows me to keep more of my time, which is just as valuable as money to me..[/QUOTE]If you are going to be a working girl monger your whole life, this is fine. Its all good. But, if you ever plan to breed responsibly, this stuff completely distorts real life. It fucks you up for normal women. No girl who might be considered mother material will match these beauties. Even in Medellin, most of the men marry the respectable girls. They may visit a cat house occasionally but don't make a career out of it. That's why it works well for most of us older guys. We already got all that stuff out of the way and are just looking for fun now.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1894429]I am amazed that we have guys under 30 who actually participate in this hobby and read this forum. Except for an occasional bachelor party or vacation, this is no hobby for young guys. Its for the old farts. We have put in the all the hard work chasing pussy all these years and now we need a break. Any self-respecting young guy should be getting free pussy through game, except during emergency periods of extreme pussy drought.[/QUOTE]I disagree, I am over 40 now, but I learned about P4 P at the ripe age of 19. Once you learn that you can get all the pussy you want, with almost no effort, why in the hell would you go back to wasting all the time. Money, and energy to get laid in the US? I look at chicks in US now, and I think to myself, if other dudes knew about Colombia or Costa Rica or Dominican Republic Etc, they would NEVER have a date again.

[QUOTE=Dveight;1895019]I disagree, I am over 40 now, but I learned about P4 P at the ripe age of 19. Once you learn that you can get all the pussy you want, with almost no effort, why in the hell would you go back to wasting all the time. Money, and energy to get laid in the US? I look at chicks in US now, and I think to myself, if other dudes knew about Colombia or Costa Rica or Dominican Republic Etc, they would NEVER have a date again.[/QUOTE]We don't want those guys to know about places like Colombia, CR and DR. We want them to stay in the USA, date and slop those American hogs and leave the hotties of places like those to the 1 percenters like us. LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1894975]I agree with you, however, I do not know how other hobbyists feel but in my last few trips to Medellin I became very self conscious about how the paisas in the street view me. I get the feeling that they see gringos as mongers. Shadowing young girls in the streets would just be too much of a spotlight on me. I stand out enough as it is already. I prefer to be covert which is why I would much prefer to do the same in a non pro club. I have grown to like Sao Paulo very much which is where I am now. Here I am anonymous and not focussed on by street folks, I blend in much better here. With the advent of hoards of gringo mongers invading Medellin I think SP is the future of my Latin American hobbying. This city is just too huge to go the way of Sosua, Panama City, San Jose, etc.[/QUOTE]Again, it depends on where you are in MDE. In Poblado, for the most part, they do see us as mongers. It can be done, but you have to be pretty smooth to pull it off. In other parts of the City, it will be easier. However, even in those parts, I wouldn't recommend it unless you have some moxie. Whether the chica is pro, non-pro or semi-pro, this method requires a bit of game to make the chica feel comfortable.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1895031]We don't want those guys to know about places like Colombia, CR and DR. We want them to stay in the USA, date and slop those American hogs and leave the hotties of places like those to the 1 percenters like us. LOL.[/QUOTE]Hah! Sites like this are a blessing and a curse at the same time.

Somehow I enjoy dating girls, ie. Walking in parks, dining at nice restaurants, regardless whether or not I have sex with them. Also, I enjoy easy sex in Colombia. But it does not substitute the fun I can have when I date girls I like. Perhaps the two things are totally different things without means-end relationship.

[QUOTE=Dveight;1895019]I disagree, I am over 40 now, but I learned about P4 P at the ripe age of 19. Once you learn that you can get all the pussy you want, with almost no effort, why in the hell would you go back to wasting all the time. Money, and energy to get laid in the US? I look at chicks in US now, and I think to myself, if other dudes knew about Colombia or Costa Rica or Dominican Republic Etc, they would NEVER have a date again.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=TellAll;1894675]Maybe a lot of the younger guys are sick of the dating game. Dinner, drinks and endless listening to the useless chatter coming out of their mouths. After all the time and expense, maybe you get lucky and get laid. Then afterwards you discover it wasn't worth all the time, money, effort and you could have payed to have a hotter babe fuck your brains out for less. I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as free, there is always a price to pay.

I started mongering in my 50's. My only regret is I didn't start in my 20's.[/QUOTE]I'm in my mid-thirties and started mongering a couple years ago. On a weekly basis now I think about all of the time and money I could have saved, amazing destinations I could have traveled to, and fun times I could have had if only I had reeled in the expenses of trying to impress non-pros here at home. Luckily my moment of clarity came to me on my first visit to the Phil. I'm looking into visiting Medellin this Fall and could not be more content with my decisions over the past two years. In short, I agree wholeheartedly with what you say!

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1895035]Somehow I enjoy dating girls, ie. Walking in parks, dining at nice restaurants, regardless whether or not I have sex with them. Also, I enjoy easy sex in Colombia. But it does not substitute the fun I can have when I date girls I like. Perhaps the two things are totally different things without means-end relationship..[/QUOTE]I agree that the intimacy of dating can be its own reward. The problem I have is with exclusivity. I took a couple of girls I met in casas in Medellin on dates. Dinner, dancing, movies, etc. The impact as far as their appreciation for being treated like a regular lady was very evident, both in their emotions / words and their passion in the sack afterward.

Several times, the members, if not me, have had heated debates on that "ideological" issue, namely, 1) whether or not you should take pros to public restaurants / clubs, and 2) whether or not you should date pros. The debate was very emotional, contentious, and often ugly. So I keep the mouth shut, and you may want to do the same.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1895055]I agree that the intimacy of dating can be its own reward. The problem I have is with exclusivity. I took a couple of girls I met in casas in Medellin on dates. Dinner, dancing, movies, etc. The impact as far as their appreciation for being treated like a regular lady was very evident, both in their emotions / words and their passion in the sack afterward.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1894821]In RTFF posts from the last 2 years, the subject of learning, speaking & IMO, most importantly, understanding Spanish has come up from time to time. I consider myself a fairly good Spanish speaker after 13 semesters of university level Spanish [/QUOTE]Damn bro, what school did you go to? I have a BA in French and it only took 8 semesters (4 years - 18 French classes) to graduate. You must have a Masters in Spanish.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1894259]By that standard, anyone who goes to Medellin (or any other common mongering destination), who is over 30, for the purpose of paying women 18-19 for sex is just wrong.
[/QUOTE]If you go to an MP or call a known pro working girl, and choose an 18 year old, and you could be 80, who cares. But to approach non-pros on the street who are the same age (or younger) than your own kids, and proposition them with sex for money, is plain creepy. One day, he may find himself on the wrong side of an ass whooping if the wrong Colombiano sees this happening on the street. Whether or not age difference is more accepted in Latin America is irrelevant in this scenario because he's not asking them on a regular date. And FYI- I'm kind of familiar with the LA customs, my wife is originally from Central America, not that I need to validate myself.

If you don't understand the difference, then there's no reason to say anything more on this subject.

[QUOTE]Lo siento que mi amigo te hizo llorar! Yo no voy a hacerte llorar![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1894981]That would certainly be understood by any Spanish speaker. But, in that sentence, 'lo siento' expresses an emotion on the part of the speaker. That (plus a change in subject, so the infinitive cannot be used) is one of the triggers for the use of the subjunctive in the dependent clause, so it would be: 'Lo siento que mi amigo te [B]hiciera[/B] llorar!'

The way to master the subjunctive, which is rarely used in English but continually used in Spanish, is first to be able to recognize it when you hear it, from the change in the vowel of the conjugated verb: 'a' becomes 'e' and 'e' and 'i' become 'a'; unfortunately 'hacer' is irregular in the subjunctive so the pattern doesn't hold. Those verbs you just have to memorize. Then, once you can recognize it, every time you hear it, ask yourself why the speaker used the subjunctive.

The acronymn 'WEIRD-O' covers most of the triggers that, when occurring in the subject or independent clause, require the use of the subjunctive mood in the dependent clause (if there is a change in the subject; if no change in subject, the infinitive would be used).

W: Wishes.

E: Emotions (such as 'I'm sorry that')

I: Impersonal expressions: Es necesario que, es bueno que, es mal que, con tal que, etc.

R: Recommendations: Te aviso que, te mando que, te digo que, sugiero que, etc.

T: Doubt: Dudo que, no creo que, es posible que, es probable que, es difcil que, es raro que, etc.

O: orders, or the command or imperative tense. While not technically the subjunctive, the second-person formal or Ud. commands are formed the same way as the third-person subjunctive (el, ella).

Hope that helps![/QUOTE]This is great for anybody looking to learn perfect Spanish. I doubt anybody on this forum (apart from the hnadful who permanently live in LA) would / should waste time on it.

I'm gringo who learned Spanish from scratch and am almost fluent. I had to as my wife didn't speak any English when we met 11 years ago in Central America. I worked hard at it, and was very much "immersed" in it with my girl and that helped me learn, but I would not expect an occasional travaler to LA to learn to speak in the subjunctive. The original statement is correct and would be understood by 100% of Spanish speakers. I would suggest that occasional travelers work on learning how to speak in the present, both past tenses, and future only. This way you can effectively communicate with all Spanish speakers. Forget the subjunctive. Unless you want to earn a degree in Spanish, plan to live full time in a Spanish speaking country, or just want a gold star on a monger forum, it's a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1895084]If you go to an MP or call a known pro working girl, and choose an 18 year old, and you could be 80, who cares. But to approach non-pros on the street who are the same age (or younger) than your own kids, and proposition them with sex for money, is plain creepy. One day, he may find himself on the wrong side of an ass whooping if the wrong Colombiano sees this happening on the street. Whether or not age difference is more accepted in Latin America is irrelevant in this scenario because he's not asking them on a regular date. And FYI- I'm kind of familiar with the LA customs, my wife is originally from Central America, not that I need to validate myself.

If you don't understand the difference, then there's no reason to say anything more on this subject.[/QUOTE]If your original post wasn't so specific about ages and it had focused on the risks, rather than it being "creepy", I might agree with you.

No matter the location, or the girl's pro status, it's still a guy over 30 trying to pick up a girl under 20 for sex. If it's creepy on a street corner with a non-pro, it's creepy 2 blocks over with a pro.

It looks like you're trying to justify what you do while condemning others for using a different method to get the same results.

Certainly his way has risks and who knows how many are pros or semi-pros. It works for him.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1895096]This is great for anybody looking to learn perfect Spanish. I doubt anybody on this forum (apart from the hnadful who permanently live in LA) would / should waste time on it.

I'm gringo who learned Spanish from scratch and am almost fluent. I had to as my wife didn't speak any English when we met 11 years ago in Central America. I worked hard at it, and was very much "immersed" in it with my girl and that helped me learn, but I would not expect an occasional travaler to LA to learn to speak in the subjunctive. The original statement is correct and would be understood by 100% of Spanish speakers. I would suggest that occasional travelers work on learning how to speak in the present, both past tenses, and future only. This way you can effectively communicate with all Spanish speakers. Forget the subjunctive. Unless you want to earn a degree in Spanish, plan to live full time in a Spanish speaking country, or just want a gold star on a monger forum, it's a waste of time.[/QUOTE]The subjunctive mood is far more widely used than the future tense, especially the "true" future tense (as opposed to the 'ir a + infinitive' construction. The original statement isn't correct (the use of the subjunctive isn't optional), but would be understood, just as one would [I]usually[/I] be understood if the preterite and imperfect tenses are confused. And I would definitely say it's easier to learn the use of the subjunctive than to learn (completely) the difference between the imperfect and the preterite. But you're correct in that my post was not really aimed at an 'occasional traveler to LatAm,' but rather to those who want to improve their Spanish.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1895066]Several times, the members, if not me, have had heated debates on that "ideological" issue, namely, 1) whether or not you should take pros to public restaurants / clubs, and 2) whether or not you should date pros. The debate was very emotional, contentious, and often ugly. So I keep the mouth shut, and you may want to do the same..[/QUOTE]We're all adults and entitled to our own, differing opinions. I for one, when deciding whether or not to take a pro out, look at how she falls on my spectrum of, constantly looking for the next John and upselling on one end to, you almost have to beg her to take money on the other end. It's not fool proof but it works for me. I often will do so with girls that aren't too over the top with tits and ass silicone or makeup. Just nice girls to be around who are, if nothing else, good at selling the fantasy / dream. As long as I'm happy in the moment and follow our general compensation averages, I don't really care what others might like or dislike. We are all from different backgrounds which have shaped our interactions with women. For anyone alone on a mongering trip, sometimes ya just get sick of eating alone and need some company. Why not with a girl you know is going to fuck your brains out later? If you can give her that bit of normalcy to an otherwise fucked up (assumption) life of pitching woo, why not? Good for all parties. And, you can get great referrals through chica gossip!

[QUOTE=Queens35;1895084]If you go to an MP or call a known pro working girl, and choose an 18 year old, and you could be 80, who cares. But to approach non-pros on the street who are the same age (or younger) than your own kids, and proposition them with sex for money, is plain creepy. .[/QUOTE]I read an account of a older guy who picked up an attractive young lady in El Centro. She was from the countryside and barely surviving with her young daughter by cleaning the homes of Colombians. He treated her nice and then bought her a cell phone. She cried when he gave it to her. What is creepy to you, might be seen as a positive event for some barrio chica with nothing and no prospects.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1894981]That would certainly be understood by any Spanish speaker. But, in that sentence, 'lo siento' expresses an emotion on the part of the speaker. That (plus a change in subject, so the infinitive cannot be used) is one of the triggers for the use of the subjunctive in the dependent clause, so it would be: 'Lo siento que mi amigo te [B]hiciera[/B] llorar!'

The way to master the subjunctive, which is rarely used in English but continually used in Spanish, is first to be able to recognize it when you hear it, from the change in the vowel of the conjugated verb: 'a' becomes 'e' and 'e' and 'i' become 'a'; unfortunately 'hacer' is irregular in the subjunctive so the pattern doesn't hold. Those verbs you just have to memorize. Then, once you can recognize it, every time you hear it, ask yourself why the speaker used the subjunctive..[/QUOTE]You certainly have a command of the Spanish Language. I'm sure at some point in college I was taught this but have since forgotten. Thanks!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1895072]Damn bro, what school did you go to? I have a BA in French and it only took 8 semesters (4 years - 18 French classes) to graduate. You must have a Masters in Spanish.[/QUOTE]You are correct, I should have at least a minor in Spanish but I got cross threaded with the Dean of the Foreign Languages dept & he 'forgot to' do all the paperwork giving me my minor. I have a BS in Petroleum Engineering that took 5 years with a couple of summers mixed in, a Masters In Intl Mgmt (2 more years with 3 months total immersion in Guadalajara, Mex) & a DDS (5 more years) after that with stints in the oilfield between the degrees. I tell everyone I hated work more than I hated school so I just stayed in school. Like I tell my sons, why anyone would chose to go to work rather than go to school I have no idea & they have never seen Animal House!! Ha.

El Mechanico

Five years to get an engineering degree? That's nothing! From the time I took my first Spanish class to when I received my college degree was 43 years; from the time I took my first college Spanish class to receiving my degree was 25 years.

Has anyone purchased prescription pain medication without a prescription in any Medellin pharmacy? Also what are the Colombian names for drugs (brand name or generic) like Percocet, Oxycodone, Tramadol, etc?

Thanks.

Article with photos:

[URL]http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-y-videos-extranjero-asesinado-en-el-poblado-converso-por-unos-minutos-con-el-sicario/486892/[/URL]

Why people think Poblado is safe but El Centro is not is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1895344]Has anyone purchased prescription pain medication without a prescription in any Medellin pharmacy? Also what are the Colombian names for drugs (brand name or generic) like Percocet, Oxycodone, Tramadol, etc?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You have to have a prescription for narcotics.

It is not that simple amigo. What if the presence of you and a pro makes middle class families with children at a restaurant uncomfortable and embarrased? What if your presence looks like a caricature of idiot gringo mongers who are disrespectful to Colombian public?

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1895203] As long as I'm happy in the moment and follow our general compensation averages, I don't really care what others might like or dislike. We are all from different background![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1895363]Article with photos:

[URL]http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-y-videos-extranjero-asesinado-en-el-poblado-converso-por-unos-minutos-con-el-sicario/486892/[/URL]

Why people think Poblado is safe but El Centro is not is beyond me.[/QUOTE]That's too bad. From the third paragraph in the article I'm guessing the guy on the moto was demanding his possessions and the victim refused to hand them over. Or it could have been some kind of deal (drugs, chica) gone wrong.

If I never read the headline of the article, the photos of him in shorts would have immediately told me this was a gringo.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1895408]It is not that simple amigo. What if the presence of you and a pro makes middle class families with children at a restaurant uncomfortable and embarrased? What if your presence looks like a caricature of idiot gringo mongers who are disrespectful to Colombian public?

.[/QUOTE]So we should base all of our actions on whether someone else will be offended? I understand there are limitations. If a Gringo is sitting at a restaurant, with 3 fingers up some girls pussy, he's crossed the line. If he's just sitting down having lunch, dinner or a few drinks with a woman and someone gets offended, they can go fuck themselves.

Do I have to worry about ordering a hamburger because a Vegan might see me? Should I give up pork so I don't risk offending the Jews and Muslims? Should I shave my beard for the people who don't like facial hair? How about shaving my head for the bald guys who don't appreciate a man of my age with a full head of hair?

Not too terribly long ago, I walked around Bogota, ate lunch, did some sightseeing and chatted with a woman almost young enough to be my granddaughter. Because of my limited Spanish, much of the time we were huddled together over her iPad, translating things for each other. Even though we spent our time in the better parts of the city, nobody paid us any attention. If anyone was offended, they kept it to themselves.

I'm all for limiting idiot gringo public behavior, but having dinner with a girl doesn't qualify.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1895408]It is not that simple amigo. What if the presence of you and a pro makes middle class families with children at a restaurant uncomfortable and embarrased? What if your presence looks like a caricature of idiot gringo mongers who are disrespectful to Colombian public?.[/QUOTE]Caricature? Dude, how'd you know how oversize my head is? Hahaha! It's absolutely that simple. It is my option to do so if I want. I don't hang out with girls that "dress" like putas, and I keep my conversations, attire, and demeanor appropriate to my surroundings. While I may stand out as a gringo, I endeavor to ensure my date doesn't stand out as a working girl. Now, if folks assume a girl is a pro just because she's with a gringo, then those are discriminatory, prejudicial, and xenophobic issues that Colombian society needs to work on. Not the girl who has the rare opportunity to spend an evening above her strata and certainly not my problem.

Thanks for your keen insight!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1895397]You have to have a prescription for narcotics.[/QUOTE]Thanks. But geez, everyone is getting nose candy as party favors like picking up chips and salsa, and I can't get medication for my, umm, bad back?

Welcome to Mde. Where nose candy is more common than chips and salsa. LOL

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1895787]Thanks. But geez, everyone is getting nose candy as party favors like picking up chips and salsa, and I can't get medication for my, umm, bad back?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1895787]Thanks. But geez, everyone is getting nose candy as party favors like picking up chips and salsa, and I can't get medication for my, umm, bad back?[/QUOTE]But that is only a common plant with gasoline and ammonia and shit poured all over it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1895414]That's too bad. From the third paragraph in the article I'm guessing the guy on the moto was demanding his possessions and the victim refused to hand them over. Or it could have been some kind of deal (drugs, chica) gone wrong.

If I never read the headline of the article, the photos of him in shorts would have immediately told me this was a gringo.[/QUOTE]I rarely post, but I must say this gives me pause. I'm due for my second tour in a couple of weeks, speak decent Spanish and generally focus on non-pros. I try to be conscious and aware, but that being said, by the look of it, it could easily be me laying there on the sidewalk. Any of you old timers want to give your top five safety tips specific to Medellin?

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1895363]Article with photos:

[URL]http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-y-videos-extranjero-asesinado-en-el-poblado-converso-por-unos-minutos-con-el-sicario/486892/[/URL]

Why people think Poblado is safe but El Centro is not is beyond me.[/QUOTE]They think that because Poblado looks and feels like a wealthy neighborhood (which it is by Colombian standards). If you read the comments to the article, apparently there is a police station two blocks away, which shows how brazen some of these delincuentes can be.

For sure violent crime can happen in either area, but I think Poblado is probably the less risky of the two. This guy with those very Gringo shorts certainly stuck out like a sore thumb. My general rule is I don't wear shorts after dark in MDE.

It's also advisable to be aware of who is around you or approaching you. If a young male that you don't know approaches you, keep your distance. This can be harder if he's on a moto, but if you're not walking around in lala land, you can minimize the possibility of this type of situation.

Hi,

Has any one used the MDE airport ATM? There are 2. Based on forums, second floor ATM gives better rates. I was wondering what is ATM limit (maximum withdrawal)?

Any information on ATM is appreciated!

Thanks!

The article makes a point of mentioning that the victim spoke to the killer for "several minutes". That suggests it may not have been a random crime. Avoid criminals and it's less likely you will be a crime victim.

[QUOTE=BoneRoller;1895855]I rarely post, but I must say this gives me pause. I'm due for my second tour in a couple of weeks, speak decent Spanish and generally focus on non-pros. I try to be conscious and aware, but that being said, by the look of it, it could easily be me laying there on the sidewalk. Any of you old timers want to give your top five safety tips specific to Medellin?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gallant555;1895889]Hi,
Has any one used the MDE airport ATM? There are 2. Based on forums, second floor ATM gives better rates. I was wondering what is ATM limit (maximum withdrawal)?
Any information on ATM is appreciated!
Thanks![/QUOTE]ATM exchange rates are usually determined by YOUR bank, not the bank who services the ATM. The ATM charges your bank in COP, and your bank determines how many dollars those pesos equal.

So every ATM (that dispenses COPs) is virtually the same as far as the exchange rate goes, with the exception of the fee. Some ATM charge fees, others don't. Citibank for example charged about $5 the last time I used it, whereas BancoColombia doesn't charge a fee at all.

[QUOTE=BoneRoller;1895855]I rarely post, but I must say this gives me pause. I'm due for my second tour in a couple of weeks, speak decent Spanish and generally focus on non-pros. I try to be conscious and aware, but that being said, by the look of it, it could easily be me laying there on the sidewalk. Any of you old timers want to give your top five safety tips specific to Medellin?[/QUOTE]I don't consider myself an MDE vet yet (only 4 trips) but I have over 60 mongering trips total (rest to Central America and Europe), and these precautions apply everywhere. I'm sure some people will not agree with some of them, but TEHO, and personally, my theory is better safe than sorry.

1. Stay away from illegal drugs, ESPECIALLY in Colombia, Watch your drinks, and don't take open drinks from anybody. Don't let anybody (especially chicas) get / make you an open drink. They may slip you something that will knock you out for 3 days and clean you out.

2. In case you are getting robbed: give up your stuff, do not resist, you can replace money or a watch (if you're wearing a inch-thick gold chain and you get robbed, I have no sympathy for you). They only want your money, they won't hurt you if you quickly comply. Don't try to be a hero. And don't freeze up (stay cool and under control, and know you won't get hurt if you give it up quickly), they will take it as non-compliance.

3. Limit the amount of walking you do around town, especially at night. I try to walk as little as possible. I know many others will disagree with this, but I taxi everywhere I can. It's cheap and safer than walking. At night, use taxis everywhere. After midnight, keep your ass indoors. I'm sure you heard the saying "Nothing good happens after midnight. " I'll go to a strip club in centro until the early morning every now and then but it's not a daily thing.

4. Safety in numbers. When you do go out, it's always safer when in a group rather than being alone. Criminals looks for easy targets with as little unpredictability as possible. I'm not saying that being in a group is 100% safe, but it's definitely going to dissaude the petty thief.

5. Keep your valueables at home. There's no need to bring jewelry, expensive watch, expensive camera, etc on a mongering trip. Having those on you makes you a nice meaty target.

6. Don't go out drunk (or less than fully aware). You need to be aware of your surroundings. You need to be able make a strategic decision if shit hits the fan. You may need to run or fight. You can't do any of the when you are drunk.

7. Don't brag about how rich you are or show chicas pictures of your house, car, boat, or plane. Nobody will be impressed. But they will be curious and that could get you set up for a robbery, or worse, kidnapping (unlikely).

8. Try to go with vetted chicas. If staying at the M, use their chicas. If using Facebook, try to go with chicas who have been with other gringos before. Try to get referrals from other guys. Guys, try to help the neewr guys out, the chicas will appreciate the business and they will know that the chica is known (but that doesn't mean you should become lax about keeping an eye out on her).

9. Keep your cash and your cell phone in your pockets in the street. You want to make a call, step into a store. You need to buy something on the street, don't pull out a wad of a million pesos.

10. Lock up your valuables in hotel safe.

11. Be careful when approached on the street by English speaking locals. They are rarely straight up. Usually, it's a scammer trying to separate you from your cash.

[QUOTE=Gallant555;1895889]Hi,

Has any one used the MDE airport ATM? There are 2. Based on forums, second floor ATM gives better rates. I was wondering what is ATM limit (maximum withdrawal)? Any information on ATM is appreciated! [/QUOTE]There's actually four ATM machines downstairs and the peso exchange rate for all of them is pretty much the same. However, the fees will vary, and how much you can withdraw per transaction is what you need to pay attention to. Some of the ATM's have a lower limit than others, hence you want to withdraw from the ATM's with the highest limit which a couple of months ago I think was 600,000 COP. Additionally I strongly suggest you carry more than one ATM card with you.

[QUOTE=Gallant555;1895889]Hi,

Has any one used the MDE airport ATM? There are 2. Based on forums, second floor ATM gives better rates. I was wondering what is ATM limit (maximum withdrawal)?

Any information on ATM is appreciated!

Thanks![/QUOTE]I have found that different banks have a slightly different rate at their ATM's. The ones at the airport will give you the same rate as the same bank's ATM's at other locations. On the first floor (arrival floor), there are two Bancolombia ATM's. They do not charge a fee and the rate is competitive with other banks. I do not know what the max withdrawal is. At Bancolombia, I always withdraw 400,000 COP because that is the highest pre-selected amount. Since my bank (Schwab) does not charge any fees, I make multiple withdrawals if I need more money. Many times, there will be people waiting to use the ATM, so I make the fastest withdrawal (pre-selected amounts). If you hesitate during the transaction, like 10 seconds, the transaction will time out and you will have to start from the beginning.

Someone else mentioned that usually your bank sets the exchange rate. I doubt that because I have received different rates at different banks within minutes of transactions. Of course, that could be hidden fees built into the transaction. Most of the Colombian owned banks do not charge an ATM fee.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1895953]Just to let you know I am the novio of M. Psyche and we also monger as a team. Our doors are open for anyone who wants to join in.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have a lot of fun. Since you seem to be in Medellin quite often what are currently the two most popular nightclubs? Continue to have fun and to hell what anyone thinks.

[QUOTE=BoneRoller;1895855]I rarely post, but I must say this gives me pause. I'm due for my second tour in a couple of weeks, speak decent Spanish and generally focus on non-pros. I try to be conscious and aware, but that being said, by the look of it, it could easily be me laying there on the sidewalk. Any of you old timers want to give your top five safety tips specific to Medellin?[/QUOTE]Queens35 gave 11 very good tips a few posts down. The only one I somewhat disagree with (as he expected) is # 3 regarding using taxis. During the daytime, I always walk unless I am going further than I want to walk, or it is raining. I do it more for exercise than saving a taxi fare. After all, the minimum fare is 4600 COP, I think. I almost always give them 5000 COP ($1. 67) if the fare is less than that. I think the last two robberies outside the Mansion have been of gringos arriving in taxis.

I will emphasize Queens35's first tip. Stay away from illegal drugs. It has been reported that the last two victims of murders of foreigners (an Israeli and a Dane, this one) in Medellin were involved with drugs and supplying prepagos.

If you are walking at night, try to stay on the heavily traveled, well lit streets. In Poblado, that is calle 10 (one-way up the hill), not 10 A or 10 B.

The police in Medellin will help you. Don't hesitate to ask.

Do not wear shorts outside of where you are staying, except on Sunday during the day. Shorts label you as someone not familiar with Medellin, or not very smart.

The buses and the Metro are safe. I have heard of pick-pockets on the Metro. Loop your thump in your pocket that contains your cell phone or your money, which ever is more valuable. Don't carry excess money.

Don't get complacent. Be alert.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1895970]Queens35 gave 11 very good tips a few posts down. The only one I somewhat disagree with (as he expected) is # 3 regarding using taxis. During the daytime, I always walk unless I am going further than I want to walk, or it is raining. I do it more for exercise than saving a taxi fare. After all, the minimum fare is 4600 COP, I think. I almost always give them 5000 COP ($1. 67) if the fare is less than that. I think the last two robberies outside the Mansion have been of gringos arriving in taxis.
[/QUOTE]This happened in also in Poblado just last September:

"An American tourist was shot to death during an apparent robbery attempt after leaving his hotel in a wealthy enclave of Medellin, Colombian authorities said Saturday.

Police identified the victim as John Mariani, 65, of New York, and said he was attacked Friday night when his taxi was intercepted by gunmen in a car and on a motorcycle. They said the assailants tried to take his wallet and personal belongings and shot him when he resisted. The attackers then fled."

[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/new-yorker-killed-botched-robbery-leaving-columbia-article-1.2376002[/URL]

I absolutely agree with this though:

[QUOTE=Queens35;1895927]
After midnight, keep your ass indoors. I'm sure you heard the saying "Nothing good happens after midnight. "
[/QUOTE]I usually do all of my ATM and store runs during the day. Most of the time I am ordering in for dinner (just about every restaurant in Medellin delivers). I also usually have any chica coming over for the night arrive before midnight. If she is not one of my TLN chicas, I make sure to finish my biz before midnight.

As for drugs, weed (cripa) is tolerated there (in your private residence). It's about as abundant as air. Often times chicas will already have some on them and will ask if they can light up. If you want to score herb, it's just best that you have a chica that smokes it AND one you trust to just get it for you. Pay her back whatever it costs her to get it for you and maybe a propina for her troubles rather than you trying to score it yourself.

I'm not into Coke, so can't comment.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1895447] I don't hang out with girls that "dress" like putas, and I keep my conversations, attire, and demeanor appropriate to my surroundings. While I may stand out as a gringo, I endeavor to ensure my date doesn't stand out as a working girl. Now, if folks assume a girl is a pro just because she's with a gringo, then those are discriminatory, prejudicial, and xenophobic issues that Colombian society needs to work on. Not the girl who has the rare opportunity to spend an evening above her strata and certainly not my problem.
[/QUOTE]If a pro sat down in a restaurant in your country, wouldn't you reognise her quite quicly as a pro, even a fairly well-dressed one? Even with one of your fellow countrymen? You don't notice the difference in a foreign country so easily as you're not used to the body language and culture. It's a common newbie fallacy in Brazil as well to think people 'can't tell' or are 'so open-minded and don't care. ' Right or wrong, people generally are discriminatory against pros.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1895978]As for drugs, weed (cripa) is tolerated there (in your private residence). It's about as abundant as air. Often times chicas will already have some on them and will ask if they can light up. If you want to score herb, it's just best that you have a chica that smokes it AND one you trust to just get it for you. Pay her back whatever it costs her to get it for you and maybe a propina for her troubles rather than you trying to score it yourself.[/QUOTE]What he said. This most recent incident with the Dane was probably a deal gone bad, or an argument over who owed what to whom. That's why it's not a good idea for non-locals to get their party favors direct from the dealers. Better to develop a local friend or two who you could sorta trust to do the buys for you, even if it costs a bit more that way as you usually end up buying their weed or blow as well. The minute a dealer down there makes contact with a foreign client, he's already starting to think about the angles, what kind of money this guy has, what can I get / squeeze from him. It's just not smart.

[QUOTE=BoneRoller;1895855]I rarely post, but I must say this gives me pause. I'm due for my second tour in a couple of weeks, speak decent Spanish and generally focus on non-pros. I try to be conscious and aware, but that being said, by the look of it, it could easily be me laying there on the sidewalk. Any of you old timers want to give your top five safety tips specific to Medellin?[/QUOTE]Queens gave some great advice a few posts down. I'd like to comment on a couple points in particular.

First of all, #7 is spot on and it's something a lot of guys don't appreciate. For most of us, going out and spending, say, 300,000 pesos ($100) in a night is not a big deal. For most Colombians it is, and it will attract attention. The minimum salary in MDE is about 700,000 pesos / month and ALOT of Paisas make that and ALOT make even less.

Whether with a pro or a non-pro, be very hesitant about playing the big-spender. Most of us make a good living and we could easily afford to throw money around when on vacation. Chicas, taxis, restaurants, etc are all cheap compared to what we'd pay in the US or Europe. So why not let loose and splurge? Sooner or later that behavior will get you in trouble.

Re the police, I also agree. Compared to a lot of Latin American destinations, the MDE police are pretty straight. I've talked with a few over the years and they've always been friendly and helpful.

Re walking, I sort of disagree. During the day, I walk all over the place. Hell, I walked from Poblado to Centro one time just to do it. At night, I don't do it as much and I make sure to stay in heavily trafficked areas and be very aware of anyone getting close to me.

Drugs. While reefer is widely tolerated in MDE, the laws aren't as straight-forward as some like to think. If you have someone you know well get it for you, you're probably ok. But I'd air on the side of caution.

[QUOTE=Jan156;1895995]If a pro sat down in a restaurant in your country, wouldn't you reognise her quite quicly as a pro, even a fairly well-dressed one? Even with one of your fellow countrymen? You don't notice the difference in a foreign country so easily as you're not used to the body language and culture. It's a common newbie fallacy in Brazil as well to think people 'can't tell' or are 'so open-minded and don't care. ' Right or wrong, people generally are discriminatory against pros.[/QUOTE]No. At least not any pro who I would sit down to eat with. I've sat down with several in my country, without anyone noticing a thing. It all depends on the pro. No matter what country, there are lots of pros, who even their own families don't know what they do.

Even if she is giving off the prostitute signs, whatever those are, who cares? Is the restaurant going to refuse my money, because there's a pro at my table? They serve lawyers and politicians, they're in no position to judge. Are the other customers, who probably see pros on the street every day, going to make a scene because 1 of the people at a table, who is just eating and talking, is a pro? Probably not.

If someone wants to buy lunch for a local pro, good for them. If someone gets their delicate feelings hurt because they are sitting in an establishment with a Gringo and a pro, they'll either get over it or die offended.

Silly question guys. When the Col peso is up its good for the US dollar. When the peso is down its bad for the US dollar. Right?

I should be rooting for the peso to go up?

Can anyone recommend a place to rent for maybe 2-3 nights, that would have its own private pool or jacuzzi. Something to play in with the girls.

When col peso against dollar is DOWN, it will take LESS amount of dollar to buy pesos. This is good for the dollar-holding travelers in Colombia Like you and a few Colombians who earn dollars. When peso is up, it takes more dollars to buy pesos. This discourages American travelers and American firms buying from Colombians.

Ex.
3000 peso/$. Dollar is up, Peso is down.
1800 peso/$. Dollar is down, Peso is up.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1896156]Silly question guys. When the Col peso is up its good for the US dollar. When the peso is down its bad for the US dollar. Right?

I should be rooting for the peso to go up?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Jan156;1895995]If a pro sat down in a restaurant in your country, wouldn't you reognise her quite quicly as a pro, even a fairly well-dressed one? Even with one of your fellow countrymen? You don't notice the difference in a foreign country so easily as you're not used to the body language and culture. It's a common newbie fallacy in Brazil as well to think people 'can't tell' or are 'so open-minded and don't care. ' Right or wrong, people generally are discriminatory against pros.[/QUOTE]In the US I date much younger women I usually meet in sites like Seeking Arrangement. When I'm out with a girl that has some racial similarities to me no one notices, could be my daughter I guess people think. Other month took out a fairly light skinned black girl. She was dressed as a 19 year old might be to go out on the town with her friends. Took her to a nice French Restaurant (cause I like it, not cause I was trying to impress her) and got all kind of dirty looks from other patrons.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;1896163]Can anyone recommend a place to rent for maybe 2-3 nights, that would have its own private pool or jacuzzi. Something to play in with the girls.[/QUOTE]Check [URL]airbnb.com[/URL]. I have seen a few ads for apartments that have hot tubs / jacuzzis.

Have fun in Medellin, and make Americans look great again.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1896100]No. At least not any pro who I would sit down to eat with. I've sat down with several in my country, without anyone noticing a thing. It all depends on the pro. No matter what country, there are lots of pros, who even their own families don't know what they do.

Even if she is giving off the prostitute signs, whatever those are, who cares? Is the restaurant going to refuse my money, because there's a pro at my table? They serve lawyers and politicians, they're in no position to judge. Are the other customers, who probably see pros on the street every day, going to make a scene because 1 of the people at a table, who is just eating and talking, is a pro? Probably not.

If someone wants to buy lunch for a local pro, good for them. If someone gets their delicate feelings hurt because they are sitting in an establishment with a Gringo and a pro, they'll either get over it or die offended.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1896156]Silly question guys. When the Col peso is up its good for the US dollar. When the peso is down its bad for the US dollar. Right?

I should be rooting for the peso to go up?[/QUOTE]Depends on your purpose. If you are trying to sell things in Colombia then you want the peso up (buy more dollars with less pesos) so they can buy more of what you are selling or you can make more money. If you are just there to monger then you would want the peso down (buy more pesos with less dollars) against the dollar.

[QUOTE=Combo;1896018]Drugs. While reefer is widely tolerated in MDE, the laws aren't as straight-forward as some like to think. If you have someone you know well get it for you, you're probably ok. But I'd air on the side of caution.[/QUOTE]Could you please explain this. I thought the they are decriminalized for personal use.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1896305]Could you please explain this. I thought the they are decriminalized for personal use.[/QUOTE]I thought so also, but I keep getting conflicting information. For example, Wikipedia says personal consumption is legal. [URL]Marijuanatravels.com[/URL] says it's illegal. [URL]Druglawreform.com[/URL] says it's technically legal but police may still apply "selective measures. ".

I also read the local newspapers and I continually see conflicting information. When in doubt I will err on the side of caution. When I'm not in my home country, I don't like to push legal issues.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1896100]No. At least not any pro who I would sit down to eat with. I've sat down with several in my country, without anyone noticing a thing. It all depends on the pro. No matter what country, there are lots of pros, who even their own families don't know what they do.

Even if she is giving off the prostitute signs, whatever those are, who cares? Is the restaurant going to refuse my money, because there's a pro at my table? They serve lawyers and politicians, they're in no position to judge. Are the other customers, who probably see pros on the street every day, going to make a scene because 1 of the people at a table, who is just eating and talking, is a pro? Probably not.

If someone wants to buy lunch for a local pro, good for them. If someone gets their delicate feelings hurt because they are sitting in an establishment with a Gringo and a pro, they'll either get over it or die offended.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think it's more how you behave than who you're with. If you're loud and obnoxious (the stereotypical "ugly American"), it looks bad. But if you keep a low profile, most Paisas won't be offended. Of course, if you're in la Cueva, you can be loud and obnoxious.

Thanks to all who commented on rewarding a nice puta with a night of being treated like a human being! Good discussion.

I've been in Colombia for work the last three weeks, and for a bit of that time was in and out of Medellin where I had a little time for some opportunistic mongering. As usual, there were loads of gorgeous girls, everywhere, and it was almost painful walking around town. On my first pass through the city, I stayed in the barrio Estadio where I like to make use of the aquatic center there. Convenience is key, so that makes Energy the default casa as I sometimes don't have the time or the juice to run around town. While quality seems to vary, I've had good, almost always very good, experiences there, and that was the case this year. On the first visit there were about a dozen girls, three very much to my liking, making the choice a bit of a challenge. Went with Valentina, a morena clara with an absolutely gorgeous face, nice natural body, and what's often the clincher for me, long jet black silky hair. Good choice as she was sweet, fun, sexy, no rush, great BBBJ, and overall a very good performer.

Four days later there were about 14 girls, five of whom I really liked. I know it seems stupid as hell to feel put out about having to choose which of five lovely Colombianas to fuck, but it just seems easier if there's only one or two in the group that I KNOW for sure that I want to go with. Anyway, went with Nicole, a very pretty, full figured girl with the beautiful hair I love. Big fake tits, not my favorite thing, but they worked for her, and she had a perfectly spectacular round ass. Wow, an excellent and enthusiastic performance, including a very sweet and wet BBBJ and nice DATY. Though YMMV, especially depending on your Spanish, I'the very much recommend both of these girls.

On the third visit, went with a young spinner, Iris, who I had had my eye on since the first visit. While she was overall pretty good, I'the been spoiled in the over the top expectation department by Valentina and Nicole. She wasn't bad, especially since she had the look I was in the mood for, but I wouldn't recommend her. Energy remains more expensive than the centro casas but still ridiculously cheap by my budget and totally worth it for girls like Valentina and Nicole. The girls and the place are immaculate, they've always been very polite and make a nice effort in presentation, and of course they have a more upscale ambiance.

For my fourth session, I was returning to Medellin after a few days out of town and was passing through the centro so made a stop at chicas punto com, checking both of the adjacent places. Ok line up at each place, but nothing really special. I asked the jefa for a recommendation and she recommended Alison who I almost went with, but I was in the mood for a flacita so went with Jennifer, a slim morena clara with a nice body and pretty face. It's so fucking easy to get spoiled by the many excellent girls I've enjoyed in Medellin, and by comparison Jennifer was a below average performer and definitely in the wrong business, but she was cute and I was horny, so I made the most of it. Even though I'm not a complainer and always know that it's a roll of the dice, I couldn't help but give the management an earful, mostly so that others won't waste their money.

My last about of free time was on a Sunday afternoon so with limited options I returned to chicas punto com in the hope that Alison might be there. She was. Alison is a bit tall and on the thick, but not fat, side so perhaps not to everyone's taste. She has a very sweet smile with little dimples and braces, a bit of an Asian look, long dark brown hair, great big natural tits, and caramel skin, but her top attribute was that she had the attitude and eagerness to please that we dream about. She was simply way above my already high expectations. Super sweet, energetic and passionate, awesome BBBJ with deep throat, DATY, kissed on the lips, and just sexy as hell. A super intense orgasm at 50 minutes was an absolutely perfect ending to this year's Colombia trip. What a fucking paradise.

Does anyone have the 411 on a girl that goes by the name of Kelly Paisa? She had a FB site for a while but I had heard she was off the market. Someone said they thought they saw her coming out of the Hawaii Suites hotel on Friday after the game. Is she back available again?

Cheers!

Thanks for the report and recommendations.

Can you post the prices you paid at the cassa, and upcharges, propinas, etc?

I enjoyed reading your report. Your evaluations of Allison and Jennifer are identical to mine. Only one thing, I am not sure if Allison is "thick." She could be described as "petite" based on the American girl standard, if "medium built" for latin standard. Thank you for the excellent report.

I agree, by current USA standards, Alison might not be described as "thick". And man, she's just got that perfect combo of sweet and sexy. That's funny about Jennifer. Perhaps like you, she had a look I liked and I had to give her a try. Costs at Energy were 140 k CP for the hour, and the girls asked for 40 to 50 K for BBBJ. It was a ridiculously cheap 60 K for the hour at chicas punto com and the girls asked for 20 to 30 K for BBBJ. Since I'm in Colombia and other Latin American countries for work, I'm basically getting paid to be there, so cost, especially in Medellin, is not a big issue. Though a little luck is no doubt involved, I find that the variety of girls, the convenience of the whole scene, and the potential for excellent service can be priceless so I'm happy to pay the going rates.

Agree. I tend to go for a girl with nice body. Even if the girl is a poor performer, it doesn't hurt since it is so cheap. Plus I have some regulars who can provide good service any time. Only problem is the quality of bed at Puntos and other casas, as Cerebro previously indicated. But you can talk to mamasan and perhaps you can take the girl to a hotel close to Puntos.

[QUOTE=Viajero11;1896393]I agree, by current USA standards, Alison might not be described as "thick". And man, she's just got that perfect combo of sweet and sexy. That's funny about Jennifer. Perhaps like you, she had a look I liked and I had to give her a try. Costs at Energy were 140 k CP for the hour, and the girls asked for 40 to 50 K for BBBJ. It was a ridiculously cheap 60 K for the hour at chicas punto com and the girls asked for 20 to 30 K for BBBJ. Since I'm in Colombia and other Latin American countries for work, I'm basically getting paid to be there, so cost, especially in Medellin, is not a big issue. Though a little luck is no doubt involved, I find that the variety of girls, the convenience of the whole scene, and the potential for excellent service can be priceless so I'm happy to pay the going rates.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1896396]Agree. I tend to go for a girl with nice body. Even if the girl is a poor performer, it doesn't hurt since it is so cheap. Plus I have some regulars who can provide good service any time. Only problem is the quality of bed at Puntos and other casas, as Cerebro previously indicated. But you can talk to mamasan and perhaps you can take the girl to a hotel close to Puntos.

.[/QUOTE]When I visit casas I use my own sheets if they do not provide clean sheets. I always have clean sheets and towels in my knapsack.

[QUOTE=Combo;1896315]I thought so also, but I keep getting conflicting information. For example, Wikipedia says personal consumption is legal. [URL]Marijuanatravels.com[/URL] says it's illegal. [URL]Druglawreform.com[/URL] says it's technically legal but police may still apply "selective measures. ".

I also read the local newspapers and I continually see conflicting information. When in doubt I will err on the side of caution. When I'm not in my home country, I don't like to push legal issues.[/QUOTE]You can carry up to 1 gram of coke and up to 20 grams of weed with you anywhere in Colombia as it has been decriminalized (the laws on this subject were changed in 1994, 2009 and again in 2011). Foreigners often get harassed and made to feel that if they caught with coke they are going to jail, but if you can avoid looking like you're going to shit your pants and simply offer to go to the police station, they'll generally let you go without incident. They are just looking for a bribe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1896581]When I visit casas I use my own sheets if they do not provide clean sheets. I always have clean sheets and towels in my knapsack.[/QUOTE]A working girl house must be a scary place for a germaphobe.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1894821]
If she understands the baby babble, she will understand you when you speak correct English. One does not assimilate into another culture by speaking slow, loud, broken English Baby Babble!
Your thoughts gentlemen?? Feel free to guff, harass & call me out as needed![/QUOTE]I strongly disagree. Slow, loud broken English Baby Babble is much easier to understand if the listener doesn't have a reasonably good command of English. If you don't speak the local language you're not going to assimilate into the culture anyway.

I can think of many personal experiences that contradict what you think. One example, my American ex-brother-in-law insisted on speaking normally to my Spanish ex-girlfriend. Why not, he could understand everything she said, and to do otherwise would be insulting or demeaning. She couldn't understand him, at all. She always had to ask me what he was saying. She and I had no trouble on the other hand communicating in English. It's a matter of degree depending on how fluent your listener is. With the ex-girlfriend, I was grammatically correct but would speak slower than normal and avoid words and phrases she didn't understand. On the other hand, if speaking with a Thai bar girl, I use slow, broken English Baby Babble. If I talk normally she's not going to have any idea what I'm saying.

Telling you what you already know, treat the non native English speaker the way you'd want to be treated. You know how it's difficult to understand a person when she's speaking rapidly and using lots of "dichos" or slang. Give others the same courtesy that you'd like to have.

[b]Dickhead[/b], nice response to El Mechanico's post -- that's a great cheat sheet for the subjunctive. I'd totally forgotten to use the subjunctive with impersonal expressions.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;1896739]With the ex-girlfriend, I was grammatically correct but would speak slower than normal and avoid words and phrases she didn't understand. On the other hand, if speaking with a Thai bar girl, I use slow, broken English Baby Babble. If I talk normally she's not going to have any idea what I'm saying.

Telling you what you already know, treat the non native English speaker the way you'd want to be treated. You know how it's difficult to understand a person when she's speaking rapidly and using lots of "dichos" or slang. Give others the same courtesy that you'd like to have.[/QUOTE]What came first, the chick speaking baby babble or the foreigner who taught her using baby babble because he thought it would be easier, so that is what she knows? If she can learn baby babble, then she can learn the correct form of the language.

Why would you need to speak loudly? No matter what volume you say coche, if I don't know what it means saying it louder is not going to help. Maybe you mean ennunciate.

I used to have a girlfriend in Peru who would sometimes decide she needed to speak to me in Spanish baby babble because I am not a native Spanish speaker; even though I never gave a hint that I did not understand what she was saying. It seemed really stupid. I would say Celia, I am American, not retarded.

Read my post again Enternational. I said I spoke grammatically correct English with my ex-girlfriend, not baby babble. With respect to speaking to Thai bar girls, I intentionally left out the word "loud". And I said I vary my speaking style based on how fluent the listener is. If I were in Celia's shoes, I would have never used baby babble unless you had a 200 word or less Spanish vocabulary.

In Latin America this is not an issue for me because I speak Spanish and don't give English lessons. But it's not my goal, for example, to teach Asian bar girls who never graduated from high school and who I'll never see again how to speak better English. That's something we probably disagree about.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;1896755]Read my post again Enternational. I said I spoke grammatically correct English with my ex-girlfriend, not baby babble. With respect to speaking to Thai bar girls, I intentionally left out the word "loud". And I said I vary my speaking style based on how fluent the listener is.[/QUOTE]I was referring to when you wrote, "Slow, loud broken English Baby Babble is much easier to understand if the listener doesn't have a reasonably good command of English." I hosted an old Navy and college buddy whose first time in Thailand was at the beginning of this month. He kept walking around saying what I considered to be baby babble. For instance when looking to change money he would walk around saying "Change-ee, change-ee?" I finally said man why in the hell are you speaking like that? He said because that is how it was done in Korea when his girlfriend took him there. I said just talk normal. People are not going to understand what that other shit is.

I'm not saying that you have to teach hookers English. I am just saying not to add insult to injury by perpetuating someones low level of English by speaking with them in something that is not English at all.

[QUOTE=BohnMeister;1896339]Does anyone have the 411 on a girl that goes by the name of Kelly Paisa? She had a FB site for a while but I had heard she was off the market. Someone said they thought they saw her coming out of the Hawaii Suites hotel on Friday after the game. Is she back available again?

Cheers![/QUOTE]Her phone is deactivated too. I haven't been able to get in touch with her. I think she is off the market, but if you have any other info to contrary it would be appreciated.

The whole world is a scary place for a germaphobe.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1896684]A working girl house must be a scary place for a germaphobe.[/QUOTE]

"Changee, Changee", hilarious! OK, Enternational, now I understand. You and El Mechanico literally meant Baby Babble. We're on the same page. I was regurgitating Mechanico's phrase when I wrote "loud," and also agree that's not a good idea.

[QUOTE=Dveight;1896767]Her phone is deactivated too. I haven't been able to get in touch with her. I think she is off the market, but if you have any other info to contrary it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]When I saw her in April she said she had a western union sponsor that wanted her to shut down her FB page. She's just playing the game. She'll be back.

She's a lot of fun and a muliple squirter.

[QUOTE=Viajero11;1896338]I've been in Colombia for work the last three weeks, and for a bit of that time was in and out of Medellin where I had a little time for some opportunistic mongering. As usual, there were loads of gorgeous girls, everywhere, and it was almost painful walking around town. On my first pass through the city, I stayed in the barrio Estadio where I like to make use of the aquatic center there. Convenience is key, so that makes Energy the default casa as I sometimes don't have the time or the juice to run around town. While quality seems to vary, I've had good, almost always very good, experiences there, and that was the case this year. On the first visit there were about a dozen girls, three very much to my liking, making the choice a bit of a challenge. Went with Valentina, a morena clara with an absolutely gorgeous face, nice natural body, and what's often the clincher for me, long jet black silky hair. Good choice as she was sweet, fun, sexy, no rush, great BBBJ, and overall a very good performer.

Four days later there were about 14 girls, five of whom I really liked. I know it seems stupid as hell to feel put out about having to choose which of five lovely Colombianas to fuck, but it just seems easier if there's only one or two in the group that I KNOW for sure that I want to go with. Anyway, went with Nicole, a very pretty, full figured girl with the beautiful hair I love. Big fake tits, not my favorite thing, but they worked for her, and she had a perfectly spectacular round ass. Wow, an excellent and enthusiastic performance, including a very sweet and wet BBBJ and nice DATY. Though YMMV, especially depending on your Spanish, I'the very much recommend both of these girls.

On the third visit, went with a young spinner, Iris, who I had had my eye on since the first visit. While she was overall pretty good, I'the been spoiled in the over the top expectation department by Valentina and Nicole. She wasn't bad, especially since she had the look I was in the mood for, but I wouldn't recommend her. Energy remains more expensive than the centro casas but still ridiculously cheap by my budget and totally worth it for girls like Valentina and Nicole. The girls and the place are immaculate, they've always been very polite and make a nice effort in presentation, and of course they have a more upscale ambiance.

For my fourth session, I was returning to Medellin after a few days out of town and was passing through the centro so made a stop at chicas punto com, checking both of the adjacent places. Ok line up at each place, but nothing really special. I asked the jefa for a recommendation and she recommended Alison who I almost went with, but I was in the mood for a flacita so went with Jennifer, a slim morena clara with a nice body and pretty face. It's so fucking easy to get spoiled by the many excellent girls I've enjoyed in Medellin, and by comparison Jennifer was a below average performer and definitely in the wrong business, but she was cute and I was horny, so I made the most of it. Even though I'm not a complainer and always know that it's a roll of the dice, I couldn't help but give the management an earful, mostly so that others won't waste their money.

My last about of free time was on a Sunday afternoon so with limited options I returned to chicas punto com in the hope that Alison might be there. She was. Alison is a bit tall and on the thick, but not fat, side so perhaps not to everyone's taste. She has a very sweet smile with little dimples and braces, a bit of an Asian look, long dark brown hair, great big natural tits, and caramel skin, but her top attribute was that she had the attitude and eagerness to please that we dream about. She was simply way above my already high expectations. Super sweet, energetic and passionate, awesome BBBJ with deep throat, DATY, kissed on the lips, and just sexy as hell. A super intense orgasm at 50 minutes was an absolutely perfect ending to this year's Colombia trip. What a fucking paradise.[/QUOTE]Great report! Thanks for posting. I too have tried many, not all, not half, but many of the casas in MDE over the past 5+ years, have had some good to great times at other places but for whatever reasons at ENERGY I find the gal that I click with and play outside the casa with.

Enjoy the Paisa's!

TTM.

[QUOTE=PapiQueRico;1896832]When I saw her in April she said she had a western union sponsor that wanted her to shut down her FB page. She's just playing the game. She'll be back.

She's a lot of fun and a muliple squirter.[/QUOTE]Mate,

Or has she gone dark.

Did she completely take here site down, or did she just shift it. I am planning a trip there in July.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;1896739]I strongly disagree.[/QUOTE]Well, we will just agree to disagree then.

My point was that if a local has enough of a command of the English language to understand baby babble, then they can understand the correct way to speak and why not let them hear proper (slow, not loud) English. They might appreciate it & you won't take the chance of insulting them if they do happen to understand English better than you think they do.

Another point I made, and I think it is more important than the baby-babble point, was if you have a 3+ hour plane ride down there, why not take some of that time to learn the basics. Counting to one hundred, how to tell time, how to order basic meals & beer, etc. It's not that difficult & everyone you meet down there will appreciate the effort.

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1896684]A working girl house must be a scary place for a germaphobe.[/QUOTE]I know a guy who DATYs women even when he gets a foul smell down there. I told him I don't do that. His reply to me was that germophobes should not be mongers LOL.

[QUOTE=BohnMeister;1896887]Mate,

Or has she gone dark.

Did she completely take here site down, or did she just shift it. I am planning a trip there in July.[/QUOTE]Wanted to make sure it was the right chica.

[QUOTE=LocoGringo;1771194] Used to do therapy but never came across what this is called. Trying to make a ho out of a regular girl or tryin to make a regular girl out of a puta. Wow, my life challenge.[/QUOTE]They are called Captn. Sav-a-ho! I seen a gazillion of them in the oilfield! Never had a date or GF but are treated like studs when in LA or SE Asia. Get married, act like a Greek Adonis & the girl dumps them after 6 months back in the US. So predictable it is funny!

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=Turgid;1897057]I know a guy who DATYs women even when he gets a foul smell down there. I told him I don't do that. His reply to me was that germophobes should not be mongers LOL.[/QUOTE]You don't dine at the "YYY" when there's a foul smell down there. Hell, that's an indicator of "prime" versus "choice" carne!

[QUOTE=BohnMeister;1896339]Does anyone have the 411 on a girl that goes by the name of Kelly Paisa? She had a FB site for a while but I had heard she was off the market. Someone said they thought they saw her coming out of the Hawaii Suites hotel on Friday after the game. Is she back available again?

Cheers![/QUOTE]I think it's semester / summer break for schools in Colombia so a BUNCH of girls have gone dark or blocked me on FB because they are on trips with either gringo novios or sponsors and or family too.

When their wallets get thin they'll come back on line. Angelina Ortiz I noticed her page is back up but she has new whatsapps so I assume she's back. Just as an example.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1897057]I know a guy who DATYs women even when he gets a foul smell down there.[/QUOTE]Now that's just nasty 😷.

I have not been to Medellin's for over 10 years. Do you guys know what is the overnight rates right now? Planning on a trip there in Oct or Nov this year. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Asian_Pimp;1897209]I have not been to Medellin's for over 10 years. Do you guys know what is the overnight rates right now? Planning on a trip there in Oct or Nov this year. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I am interested to know what the overnight rates were 10 years ago, if you would please tell us sir.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1897057]I know a guy who DATYs women even when he gets a foul smell down there. I told him I don't do that. His reply to me was that germophobes should not be mongers LOL.[/QUOTE]Interestingly (and ironically?) a woman's vagina is cleaner than her mouth. Google it!

The funny thing is that it's cheaper now than 10 years ago! I first started going to MDE 10 years ago. Mansion girls were still getting 150 K COP. Overnight was 250 K - 300 K depending on the girl and how much time TLN included. The exchange rate was something like 2200-2300 COP to the dollar. Look to today. Most Mansion girls are still 150 K COP. TLN has not really changed. But now the exchange rate is 3000 COP to the dollar. Nice deflation.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1897220]I am interested to know what the overnight rates were 10 years ago, if you would please tell us sir.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1897279]The funny thing is that it's cheaper now than 10 years ago! I first started going to MDE 10 years ago. Mansion girls were still getting 150 K COP. Overnight was 250 K - 300 K depending on the girl and how much time TLN included. The exchange rate was something like 2200-2300 COP to the dollar. Look to today. Most Mansion girls are still 150 K COP. TLN has not really changed. But now the exchange rate is 3000 COP to the dollar. Nice deflation.[/QUOTE]Actually, 200 k is becoming more common.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;1897279]The funny thing is that it's cheaper now than 10 years ago! I first started going to MDE 10 years ago. Mansion girls were still getting 150 K COP. Overnight was 250 K - 300 K depending on the girl and how much time TLN included. The exchange rate was something like 2200-2300 COP to the dollar. Look to today. Most Mansion girls are still 150 K COP. TLN has not really changed. But now the exchange rate is 3000 COP to the dollar. Nice deflation.[/QUOTE]And I think that's high on the overnight rate (at least until recently). I've stayed at the Mansion 16 (I think) times since 2009. Up until this past Winter, I never paid that much for TLN. However, I only do it once or twice a trip and only with girls I get along with very well.

Yeah I hear 200 k a lot too, but that is like when you go to a car dealership. 200 k is the sticker price on the car. In reality you can easily negotiate down to 150 k even with extras.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1897420]Actually, 200 k is becoming more common.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1897195]I think it's semester / summer break for schools in Colombia so a BUNCH of girls have gone dark or blocked me on FB because they are on trips with either gringo novios or sponsors and or family too.

When their wallets get thin they'll come back on line. Angelina Ortiz I noticed her page is back up but she has new whatsapps so I assume she's back. Just as an example.[/QUOTE]Plenty of fish in that ocean. She just looked like an interesting opportunity and I had heard good things from my other mates.

Cheers!

I'm sure there are foreigners getting murdered in Medellin every month, but I just seen an article saying a gringo was shot in Parque Lleras last week, which I am surprised they would be shot in that area. Then there where 2 killed the week before. It said an Israeli guy was giving sex tourism tour business. I guess there is a new mayor in Medellin and he says he doesn't want Medellin to be a place for sex or drug tourism. Sounds like Cartagena or Taganga or something. This is probably worthless news. But maybe something will change. I think it was about 2-3 months ago that drinking in Parque Lleras, or maybe the other parks also was banned. I was in Medellin myself about 3 weeks ago and I seen for myself that they didn't allow drinking in the park and there were several police permanently stationed at Parque Lleras. At night I seen the cops with what looked like citation booklets to give out fines to people. There were still plenty of people hanging out though, just not drinking.

[URL]http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/06/22/killing-3-foreigners-past-2-weeks-causing-alarm-in-colombia-medellin/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gagoo;1897663]I'm sure there are foreigners getting murdered in Medellin every month, but I just seen an article saying a gringo was shot in Parque Lleras last week, which I am surprised they would be shot in that area. Then there where 2 killed the week before. It said an Israeli guy was giving sex tourism tour business. I guess there is a new mayor in Medellin and he says he doesn't want Medellin to be a place for sex or drug tourism. Sounds like Cartagena or Taganga or something. This is probably worthless news. But maybe something will change. I think it was about 2-3 months ago that drinking in Parque Lleras, or maybe the other parks also was banned. I was in Medellin myself about 3 weeks ago and I seen for myself that they didn't allow drinking in the park and there were several police permanently stationed at Parque Lleras. At night I seen the cops with what looked like citation booklets to give out fines to people. There were still plenty of people hanging out though, just not drinking.

[URL]http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/06/22/killing-3-foreigners-past-2-weeks-causing-alarm-in-colombia-medellin/[/URL][/QUOTE]I wonder if they also banned drinking in Parque Poblado right off of Calle 10 a few blocks down the hill from Parque Lleras. Not good news people getting murdered in Medellin, especially in Poblado. Anybody currently in town that knows how extensive the drinking ban is? I wonder if they banned drinking in the Park at Botero Plaza as well? Lots of locals drink, smoke weed, and sniff glue there.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1897691]Lots of locals drink, smoke weed, and sniff glue there.[/QUOTE]I saw lots of glue sniffers when I was mongering solo in centro. Those were the scariest people. When they came up from inhaling, they looked like they were on another planet. A few seconds later, they looked like they would kill for that next hit.

There has been a bit of discussion on the Brazil board about girls with Asian features. I couldn't help but think of the numerous Paisas I've encountered with such features. Aside from the known Japanese presence in Peru, does anyone have any anthropological insight into these features being present in Colombia in particular? Aside from that, are there any straight Asian communities in either Medellin or Bogota that have P4P options? Now, I'm a strong believer in the "if you want X, go to X country" mantra, but there's a certain sexiness to a girl whose language differs from what you'd expect based on her looks.

[QUOTE=Gagoo;1897663]I'm sure there are foreigners getting murdered in Medellin every month, but I just seen an article saying a gringo was shot in Parque Lleras last week, which I am surprised they would be shot in that area. Then there where 2 killed the week before. It said an Israeli guy was giving sex tourism tour business. [/QUOTE]I think when most people see "gringo", they think someone from the USA or Canada. None of the three were from the USA Or Canada. One was from Mexico, so no gringo there. The other two were from Israel and Denmark. I have seen reports where the last two were both believed to be involved with drugs and procuring prostitutes. Two dangerous activities in Medellin.

The last one was not killed in Parque Lleras. He was on the corner of calle 10 B and carrera 36, which is in Poblado, but not in Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1897725]The last one was not killed in Parque Lleras. He was on the corner of calle 10 B and carrera 36, which is in Poblado, but not in Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]I walked Calle 10 several times while in Medellin late last year. It's a major thoroughfare with a lot of good restaurants located on quiet side streets. So one minute you're walking on a well-lit and busy street with people and traffic humming by, and the next minute you're walking on a nearly dark street with very few cars and fewer people. I doubt the murderer and victim just bumped into each other. The former stalked the latter and pounced when the moment was right. Sad.

I wandered all over Poblado and around Parque Lleras late this evening, spent hrs looking for a cab, paid a uber guy double to get me Tomy hotel. I felt perfectly safe in and around Poblado. The young hotties were out in force tonight cause of the game. This is my first time in Mde and Colombia, so far very impressed with the city and people. Will try my first casa visit tomorrow. It seems like young chicas in this town have no problem going out with with way older guys as long as he takes her to a nice place to eat.

T

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1897725]I think when most people see "gringo", they think someone from the USA or Canada. None of the three were from the USA Or Canada. One was from Mexico, so no gringo there. The other two were from Israel and Denmark. I have seen reports where the last two were both believed to be involved with drugs and procuring prostitutes. Two dangerous activities in Medellin.

The last one was not killed in Parque Lleras. He was on the corner of calle 10 B and carrera 36, which is in Poblado, but not in Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KingAmongKings;1897540]Yeah I hear 200 k a lot too, but that is like when you go to a car dealership. 200 k is the sticker price on the car. In reality you can easily negotiate down to 150 k even with extras.[/QUOTE]Its the difference between $50 and $68 dollars. Medellin is one of the cheapest mongering destinations in the Americas. If $18 more is going to bust your budget, you should consider a new line of employment.

Now, if you are a retired guy living on a pension, that's another story.

Hey fellas,

I want to visit Colombia for the first time. I've been to Brazil and DR so this isn't my first rodeo. I have some of the usual first time questions.

Where should I stay?

How's the food?

Where are the girls? Casino, walking around, hotel lobby, night clubs?

What's the average price?

Are overnight stays common?

What airport do I fly into?

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1897895]Its the difference between $50 and $68 dollars. Medellin is one of the cheapest mongering destinations in the Americas. If $18 more is going to bust your budget, you should consider a new line of employment.

Now, if you are a retired guy living on a pension, that's another story.[/QUOTE]I'm not the penny pinching guy when I'm on vacation. But this comment is just wrong in my opinion. I had 31 sessions on my last trip, that makes that $18 turn into $558. $558 would end up being about 1/8 of the total amount I spent, so an $18 difference for a session can add up quickly. I'm just saying.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1897895]Its the difference between $50 and $68 dollars. Medellin is one of the cheapest mongering destinations in the Americas. If $18 more is going to bust your budget, you should consider a new line of employment.

Now, if you are a retired guy living on a pension, that's another story.[/QUOTE]It's not about busting your budget. It is about why pay 36% more if you don't have to.

And it's about not turning Colombia into Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=Dveight;1898117]I'm not the penny pinching guy when I'm on vacation. But this comment is just wrong in my opinion. I had 31 sessions on my last trip, that makes that $18 turn into $558. $558 would end up being about 1/8 of the total amount I spent, so an $18 difference for a session can add up quickly. I'm just saying.[/QUOTE]I beat you as I had 32 sessions on my last visit to Medellin but because of my good looks, great conversational skills, and charm I paid a big zero! Some guys have it and some don't. If fact a few of the ladies offered me money because of the great service I provided them!

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;1898025]Hey fellas,

I want to visit Colombia for the first time. I've been to Brazil and DR so this isn't my first rodeo. I have some of the usual first time questions.

Where should I stay?

How's the food?

Where are the girls? Casino, walking around, hotel lobby, night clubs?

What's the average price?

Are overnight stays common?

What airport do I fly into?[/QUOTE]What airport do you fly into? Come on. Bro. You've got to come with having done some homework. Geez!

[QUOTE=Dveight;1898117]I'm not the penny pinching guy when I'm on vacation. But this comment is just wrong in my opinion. I had 31 sessions on my last trip, that makes that $18 turn into $558. $558 would end up being about 1/8 of the total amount I spent, so an $18 difference for a session can add up quickly. I'm just saying.[/QUOTE]Some girls will go for 150 K easily, others are asking for 200 K. If its one you want to bang, go for it. You might regret missing a super buena chica over a few bucks. I personally mix it up between casas and independents. If you only go a few times a year, don't get wrapped around the axle over beating down the price. Just go and enjoy.

If you are on a small pension or live down there, of course you should do bargain hunting.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1898121]And it's about not turning Colombia into Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]San Jose is typically 80-100 per session.

Be in MDE next week a few days (5) would a day trip to Bogota be recommended? Or split the stay 50/50 Mde / Bog? Any input appreciated.

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;1898025]Hey fellas,

I want to visit Colombia for the first time. I've been to Brazil and DR so this isn't my first rodeo. I have some of the usual first time questions.

Where should I stay?

How's the food?

Where are the girls? Casino, walking around, hotel lobby, night clubs?

What's the average price?

Are overnight stays common?

What airport do I fly into?[/QUOTE]The answers to almost every one of your questions can be found by RTFF Most have been answered in the past few months.

What airport you should fly into depends on where in Colombia you want to visit. If your destination is Medellin, fly into the Medellin airport, if you're wanting to see Bogota, choose the Bogota airport. I'll leave it up to you to figure out how to get to Cali or Cartagena.

Where you should stay depends on many things, like which airport you fly into. It also depends on your comfort level, Spanish knowledge and the amount of research you're willing to do.

Well I like a lot of sex. Quite a few hours a day. So that's 18 dollars turns out to saving 100 dollars a day. 700 a week. You can do math.

And I am by no means rich, but spending one minute to negotiate is not much work. You are probably some trust fund baby who has never had to work. Daddy will send you more money right?

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1897895]Its the difference between $50 and $68 dollars. Medellin is one of the cheapest mongering destinations in the Americas. If $18 more is going to bust your budget, you should consider a new line of employment.

Now, if you are a retired guy living on a pension, that's another story.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1896015]What he said. This most recent incident with the Dane was probably a deal gone bad, or an argument over who owed what to whom. That's why it's not a good idea for non-locals to get their party favors direct from the dealers. Better to develop a local friend or two who you could sorta trust to do the buys for you, even if it costs a bit more that way as you usually end up buying their weed or blow as well. The minute a dealer down there makes contact with a foreign client, he's already starting to think about the angles, what kind of money this guy has, what can I get / squeeze from him. It's just not smart.[/QUOTE]I agree and that's what happened to Noah Goldberg who some of you may remember as well. Buy your stuff at the super cheap retail places one of which we take you by on our day tour. Owing money will get you killed here relatively quickly! We have a new massage girl Lina who takes it to whatever level you want to go with nice hammers and of course is in her panties when she gives you the massage! Take a look on the ColombiaJake site.

Thanks,

Jake

[QUOTE=Sargent50;1898132]Be in MDE next week a few days (5) would a day trip to Bogota be recommended? Or split the stay 50/50 Mde / Bog? Any input appreciated.[/QUOTE]Ehhh, I would pick either or if I were you. Whichever you don't pick this time, go next time. Then you can do a day trip to the place you go to this time. The logic is. The more familiar you are, the more efficient you'll be at mongering there. I'm more familiar with Bogota than Medellin, so I'd do a day trip to Bogota and know exactly what to do. For me, a day trip to Medellin would require a lot of planning and maybe a wingman on the ground. I think once you try Medellin, you'll be satisfied enough. Besides, half the girls you'll meet in Bogota are from Medellin! The other half are from Cali. Whatever choice you make, you'll have fun! Have your fill bro!

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1898127]What airport do you fly into? Come on. Bro. You've got to come with having done some homework. Geez![/QUOTE]Well at least he spelled Colombia correctly. Has anybody seen the ballcaps in Bogota airport that say, "It's Colombia, not Columbia"?

BrazilKing asked Hey fellas.

I want to visit Colombia for the first time. I've been to Brazil and DR so this isn't my first rodeo. I have some of the usual first time questions.

Where should I stay?

- I suggest the Stuttgart Marriott.

How's the food?

- Good, get the herring it is a national favorite.

Where are the girls? Casino, walking around, hotel lobby, night clubs?

- Try the top of the CN Tower, it is your best bet.

What's the average price?

- Hard to say but start with 2000 Talon and work you way down.

Are overnight stays common?

- Only on the sixth Tuesday of every month.

What airport do I fly into?

- Book your ticket into OVB.

Better answers may be found though reading through this forum.

Those were great answers. You forgot to note that one important skill brazilking should have is learning Quechua language which is the main language spoken by paisas and all Colombians. He should spend at least 5 years learning Quechua before going to Colombia or he will be confused with a lost gringo who Colombians love to kidnap, rob, kill, cut in little pieces, and cook them for their meals.

Cerebro

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1898465]BrazilKing asked Hey fellas.

I want to visit Colombia for the first time. I've been to Brazil and DR so this isn't my first rodeo. I have some of the usual first time questions.

Where should I stay?

- I suggest the Stuttgart Marriott.

How's the food?

- Good, get the herring it is a national favorite.

Where are the girls? Casino, walking around, hotel lobby, night clubs?

- Try the top of the CN Tower, it is your best bet..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1898131]San Jose is typically 80-100 per session.[/QUOTE]Maybe for nose pickers and / or monoglots. I have never paid 100 dollars in Costa Rica and never intend to.

[QUOTE=BohnMeister;1896339]Does anyone have the 411 on a girl that goes by the name of Kelly Paisa? She had a FB site for a while but I had heard she was off the market. Someone said they thought they saw her coming out of the Hawaii Suites hotel on Friday after the game. Is she back available again?

Cheers![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/J.london.lujan?fref=ts[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/kellylujan_/[/URL]

Hello all,

So I hit up new life again yesterday. Only four girls to choose from as it was closing soon. Went with a very dark skin 20 yo named Azul.

She was real chill. Decent body. Personally I think my body was better at 20 yo haha, but she had a nice butt and decent bags. Covered BJ was OK. As good as covered can be. Went straight to doggy from the BJ as the condom is like shrink wrap for me. Her butt bones killed when I was slamming into her. First time it hurt so bad. Anyways gave her a good pounding.

She kept asking for propina. Of course I said, propina? Que es propina? I am down to give tips if I get BBJ, or something really good. But it was mediocre at best.

Will not repeat due to her potentially lethal butt bones.

What's up BrazilKing!

You fly into Jose Cordova International if you are coming from Brazil or any other country. If you are already in Colombia, you can also fly into Olaya Herrera.

I have a 3 bedroom 2 bath place and a 2 bedroom two bath place here in Medellin. I can rent you a private room in either of my two places depending on when you are coming. Pool, gym, views, well located, secure, etc.

If you are interested let me know. I just arrived here last month, but have done a ton of mongering here in Medellin already. Close to 20 girls. I mongered for the last four years on and off in Curacao at Campo Alegre before coming here.

Regards,

King

[QUOTE=BrazilKing;1898025]Hey fellas,

I want to visit Colombia for the first time. I've been to Brazil and DR so this isn't my first rodeo. I have some of the usual first time questions.

Where should I stay?

How's the food?

Where are the girls? Casino, walking around, hotel lobby, night clubs?

What's the average price?

Are overnight stays common?

What airport do I fly into?[/QUOTE]

I have not read about any significant, sizeable Asian immigration, but I did about a few waves of Jewish and Arabic (and other) immigrations. It is safe to assume that many Paisas have some blood of native Americans (they will never admitt or accept it). Some theories maintain that the native Americans came from the Asian continent, but it was thousands of years ago Anyway.

Today, some girls tend to like having make up looking like Asian girls. Some girls told me that they try to have eyes looking like Asians.

I saw a few Chinese girls at Chinese restaurants. But they were not good looking at all. I am sure Colombianos don't bother them.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1897714]There has been a bit of discussion on the Brazil board about girls with Asian features. I couldn't help but think of the numerous Paisas I've encountered with such features. Aside from the known Japanese presence in Peru, does anyone have any anthropological insight into these features being present in Colombia in particular? Aside from that, are there any straight Asian communities in either Medellin or Bogota that have P4P options? Now, I'm a strong believer in the "if you want X, go to X country" mantra, but there's a certain sexiness to a girl ble whose language differs from what you'd expect based on her looks.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;1896163]Can anyone recommend a place to rent for maybe 2-3 nights, that would have its own private pool or jacuzzi. Something to play in with the girls.[/QUOTE][URL]http://pobladorentals.com/[/URL]

I am staying here right now for 10 days. My unit (apt 302) has a good jacuzzi with some great mood lighting too. Lots of the units have Jacuzzi.

[QUOTE=Gallant555;1895889]Hi,

Has any one used the MDE airport ATM? There are 2. Based on forums, second floor ATM gives better rates. I was wondering what is ATM limit (maximum withdrawal)?

Any information on ATM is appreciated!

Thanks![/QUOTE]Just used it last night. I used the city bank ATM which allowed a maximum withdraw of 800,000 which I thought was a good amount to get started. When I checked my bank, that was about $280. Hope that helps.

I understand about reading the forum, but it's not always easy to search for specific answers. And some people don't have the time to read the entire 250 pages of posts. LOL.

Welcome to the board. Here you go:

Where should I stay? For a first timer, I would suggest to stay at the Mansion. http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/ It's a small hotel, and they have english speakers, and girls are invited there daily to hang out. They are available for sessions in your room. They charge 150k-200k COP (about $50-70) for short time (I've had girls stay with me for 4-5 hours for that price if they are having a good time, not all in the room, go to lunch/dinner, go to a bar, etc)

How's the food? Not a big foodie, so can't comment. But others have said that Colombiam food is bland. Liuke most Latin countries, lots of dishes come with rice.

Where are the girls? Casino, walking around, hotel lobby, night clubs? Forget casino, walking around, hotel lobby (except the Mansion). There are a lot of massage parlors (casa). There is a map posted somewhere in this forum. There are the Mansion girls onsite there. They also can call in girls for you from a big directory that they have. There are a few strip clubs (downtown in Centro are seedier clubs and there are a couple higher end clubs... Fase Dos, San Diego). First timer... forget streetwalkers. They are usually a waste of time anyway.

What's the average price? At the Mansion, the girls charge 150k-200k for short-time. If they quote you more, just say NO GRACIAS! They are trying to scam you. Also, if they mention time, also a red flag. The casas are cheaper. They charge anywhere from like 30k for 30 minutes to 70k for an hour. There are a couple higher end casas that charge more (140k) but the talent is hit or miss, not worth the premium IMO. The centro strip clubs were charging 75k (August last year), don't know what it is now. The higher end strip clubs were charging 180k at the time.

Are overnight stays common? Common? I'd say no, but Toda La Noche (TLN) can be aranged. The Mansion chicas can be had for 200-300k. Again, there will be some that try to gauge and quote 500k. No gracias and move on. Many have kids so TLN may end early (6-7am) so they can go home before the kids notice that they are not home. LOL

What airport do I fly into? Going to Medellin, you will fly into MDE (Jose Maria Cordova International Airport).

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1898910][URL]https://www.facebook.com/J.london.lujan?fref=ts[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/kellylujan_/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks mate.

Gave both of those links a go, but all dead ends. I guess for now she really is a goner! If she pops up and someone sees a periscope, drop a line back on the boards.

Thanks for the try.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1899079]I have not read about any significant, sizeable Asian immigration, but I did about a few waves of Jewish and Arabic (and other) immigrations. It is safe to assume that many Paisas have some blood of native Americans (they will never admitt or accept it). Some theories maintain that the native Americans came from the Asian continent, but it was thousands of years ago Anyway.

Today, some girls tend to like having make up looking like Asian girls. Some girls told me that they try to have eyes looking like Asians.

I saw a few Chinese girls at Chinese restaurants. But they were not good looking at all. I am sure Colombianos don't bother them..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insight Matt!

Read this account from a forum (didn't happen to me). Be careful out there folks:

Backstory: I have been traveling Latin American for a continuous 8. 5 months now with no problems. I had already spent nearly 88 days in Colombia with zero violent incidents. The previous 13 days or so, I had passed in the south of Cali in an highly secure apartment in Ciudad Jardin. Cali was to be my last port of call in the country with 90 days in total before heading south into Ecuador over land. I was having a tough time in Cali up to this point, only doing day-game approaches with essentially zero lays (after several dates with some very sexy but flaky women). Spent almost 2 weeks in the south of the city doing strictly day game around the University del Valle area and Unicentro and some parts of the north around Centenario Mall, with only a sloppy BJ to show for it all. Which admittedly is still better than nothing.

That being said, I decided to ship in a young sexy 21 why / o Colombiana from Manizales (I had met about 5 weeks prior) for my last weekend in Colombia. I had a few lukewarm prospects for the weekend but decided on the sure things instead. She had been hitting me up lately with, "quiero verte antes de irte. " So I decided to go for the guaranteed lovin and bought her a bus ticket to Cali.

I met her at the Terminal de Transportes around 10 PM on a Friday night as her bus was actually on time. From here we grabbed a quick snack before making our way over to the taxi line. Take note this is the official taxi line. We did not hail a cab from the street which is generally not advisable in Colombia, even though I've done it several times without incident. There was a single dark-skinned Colombian guy (looked black) in front of us in the line with several other middle-class people with luggage behind us. Red flag #1, when it was time for the black guy to get a taxi, I noticed that the next available taxi actually waved off this black guy and pointed to us to come get in instead. The thought that crossed my mind was about a Chris Rock standup routine complaining how hard it is for a black person to get a taxi in NYC, but otherwise didn't think anything of it.

Red flag #2 - I was instructed to put my girls luggage in the front passenger seat. When I closed the door (a bit too firmly, apparently), the taxista started angrily complaining that I slammed it way too hard. He clearly seemed to be agitated for some reason. I apolgized and was like, "tranquilo, tranquilo. " Anyway, I gave him the address to my hotel and didn't think anything more of the situation.

Red flag #3 - about 2-3 minutes after leaving the terminal, the taxista pulled into a natural gas refueling station to fill up the tank. We were instructed to get out of the car while it was being refueled for our own safety. The taxista then disappeared for a few minutes and returned once the refueling was complete, probably 4-5 minutes later.

Ref flag #4 - we get back in the car and the guy is complaining about how expensive it cost to have to refuel his car (50,000 COP) and about how he has already been working 20 hours straight today. I was starting to now get uncomfortable at this guy's negativity but me and my girl just kinda brushed him off and thought it better to ignore him.

We slowly approach my hostel now and it is probably 10:45 PM. My hostel is located on Calle 5 across from the Library. It is quite dark, there isn't much traffic, but I didn't think anything further. The taxista approached my hostel very slowly as he appeared to be looking at the numbers to see where the hotel was. Eventually, I just said, "this is close enough, we will walk 3-4 buildings. Gracias. " We get out of the taxi, my girl gets our on the opposite side toward the driver's side / street and I get out on the opposite side on the sidewalk / passenger side. Pay the man 20 k and get about 9 k change. I have the change now in my left hand and my girl's wheeled suitcase in my right hand. Close the door gently, and the guy pulls away about 20 ft and stops.

As I turn to my right I see a guy on a motorcycle (engine quietly running) wearing all black clothing and immediately notice a semi-automatic pistol in his lap, full face helmet on his head. Immediately I knew we were fucked. Next thing I know I feel a cold hard metal object being repeatedly rammed into my right shoulder blade. I knew it was a gun (#2). I dropped the taxi fare change to the ground, and we both simultaneously put our hands up. Then, I slowly went for my iphone 4 in my left pocket and just held it up. It was snatched up immediately. I look out of the corner of my eye and I see my girl in a hysterical panic. The girl was now being approached by guy on motorbike #1, gun shoved in her face. The guy takes her huge purse and her wheeled suitcase, when a third guy on motorbike pulls up now and scoops up her suitcase. The guy then starts patting her down with one hand while holding her at gunpoint with the other. From here, I still have a gun in my back, and my guy tells me "Cartera, Cartera. " I reach into my right pocket and give him my moneyclip. From here, the guys slowly walk towards their waiting motorbikes while looking back over their shoulders at us.

Then, they just drive off, while occasionally looking back at us. I grab my girl and we immediately run into the front entrance of my hostel. The robbery is over, although she is absolutely hysterical and can barely breathe.

Overall damage: she lost what amounted to easily over $1200 USD in merchandise. For her, this is about a 3 month salary. Two smartphones, lots of nice clothing, her wallet, bank card, 30,000 pesos in cash, makeup, purse, etc. I lost about 150,000 pesos in cash, my travel bank card, my ID, and a beat-up iphone 4.

Lessons learned / advice from this experience:

(1) Whenever possible, always use easytaxi, uber, or a similar app when calling taxis in Colombia. This will ensure that you have the driver's information in the event shit hits the fan. I personally prefer using public transport when possible, but in a city like Cali this isn't really possible.

(2) Under no circumstances should your taxi driver stop en route to your destination. Taxi drivers are specifically prohibited from doing this during a taxi fare. Didn't know this at the time.

(3) Under no circumstances should your taxi driver be on his phone. People in Colombia are generally very wary / paranoid of a taxi driver on their phone because it is easy for them to tip off some waiting robbers.

(4) If your taxi driver seems agitated or in a negative mood at all whatsoever, get the fuck out of the cab and get a new one. There is no reason you should be dealing with a taxi driver with a bad attitude or bad mood.

Final thoughts.

It turns out we firmly believe that we were set up. The whole thing was planned. When we stopped to fill up the tank, we believe that the taxi driver called in the muscle during the time that he disappeared to use the bathroom. Next day, we filed a police report at the police station in the centro of Cali, then I went to the bus station and we watched the video of the registered taxi line. While at the police station telling our story, one of the clerks just shakes her head, let's out a sigh, and says, "Cali es Cali" (Cali is Cali). She seemed disappointed but completely unsurprised. Luckily, our taxi driver's vehicle was on video and we were able to get his plate number. That being said, it is highly unlikely that there will be any sort of justice done on our case. After talking with the police detective, we realized how swamped and understaffed their office seemed to be. We realize and understand that there will probably be no justice in this case, given how inefficient the justice system seems to be in this country. Lesson learned, and I hope at least one person can learn from this too.

[QUOTE=WetNose;1899141]Read this account from a forum (didn't happen to me). Be careful out there folks:[/QUOTE]Ouch, that's a depressing story. But there's a few things that I find hard to believe. First of all, this girl is (as claims the storyteller) bringing $1200 worth of her stuff including TWO smartphones, but the guy had to buy her bus ticket? LOL, I guess at the end of the day, if you want the poontang to come to you, the guy has to pay right? Seriously though, I doubt a girl would carry that much expensive merchandise with her to see some gringo she's hooked up with only once before, and to a city she's never been to, and that's known as being dangerous, plus arriving late at night? But even accounting for some naivete on her part, was she a stupid rich girl?, I'm surprised she didn't smell a trap when the taxista beckoned them in.

The general safety rule in Colombia is you never let a driver choose you, you choose the driver!

That's why flagging down any old taxi on the street isn't always as dangerous as people say it is. Remember, crooked drivers aren't usually roaming up and down the city streets, that's a waste of time and gas for a criminal. The bad guys know where to find the money: the folks queuing up at hotels, clubs, shopping centers, and especially bus terminals and airports, so a "driver" is recruited for a few days or weeks who's in it for just a one-time payoff; then once the driver completes a successful setup, he goes underground for 6-12 months until the heat is off him (there are security cameras that can film these crooked drivers in the bus terminals and airports, as the story mentions).

As for this gringo, he comes off sounding like a complete loser, tries to get with a bunch of girls but ends up with almost no action; then the one sure thing he thinks he's going to get explodes in his face. Bet he didn't have much romance with the chica after the robbery.

Guys: here's a tip when dealing with taxistas. You do need to know how to speak and understand Spanish, LOL! Before even stepping in, talk to him. Ask him a few fake or real questions. Establish eye contact. Get a feel for him, crooked people don't like eye contact when they're getting ready to rob you, it's a guilt thing and a positive ID thing as well. If something doesn't feel right, make any excuse and tell the guy maybe later or something else is coming up. Sometimes, the taxi waiting at the front of the line I'll skip, and take the second or third; if he insists or takes offense, just say there's a specific driver you were waiting for.

As a final note, being a crooked driver is a nerve-wracking business, if you think about what's involved. Plus, if the robbery goes wrong in a crazy way, he could end up being killed too, ha ha, so edgy drivers are definitely a HUGE warning sign.

Checked this place out today. Not the best ambiance. Shitty lighting. Decent massage. Got whacked off by a girl with a really pretty face. Couldn't understand her name. Dalia?

Anyways, thought I would mention it was 60 k cop for definitely less than an hour and I gave her 20 k cop propina as she was so pretty and gave me light kisses, which sent tingles down the spine.

That price is different than what it is on the Medellin list massage section so maybe it can be updated.

King.

I am glad to see that my free casa map is useful to your business. How much are you charging gringos for the Centro casa tour?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1898170]I agree and that's what happened to Noah Goldberg who some of you may remember as well. Buy your stuff at the super cheap retail places one of which we take you by on our day tour. Owing money will get you killed here relatively quickly! We have a new massage girl Lina who takes it to whatever level you want to go with nice hammers and of course is in her panties when she gives you the massage! Take a look on the ColombiaJake site.

Thanks,

Jake[/QUOTE].

Oh and BTW, OM Spa charges 90 k COP per hour. The list says 70 k COP.

King.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1899476]I am glad to see that my free casa map is useful to your business. How much are you charging gringos for the Centro casa tour?

Thank you.

.[/QUOTE]Are you being facetious?

Seems to me. A free casa map would hurt tour guides giving casa tours.

Or are you implying that Jake couldn't find the casas without a map. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=BohnMeister;1899114]Thanks mate.

Gave both of those links a go, but all dead ends. I guess for now she really is a goner! If she pops up and someone sees a periscope, drop a line back on the boards.

Thanks for the try.

Cheers![/QUOTE]No she isn't a goner. Both links worked fine when I posted them. Probably has a sponsor that saw them and beat her over the head for still working on the side.

I think next time I'll have to send them to you in a private message. I know she is still working but giving out her phone number would be crossing the line I think.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1899595]No she isn't a goner. Both links worked fine when I posted them. Probably has a sponsor that saw them and beat her over the head for still working on the side.
[/QUOTE]What most likely happened was that a bunch of thirsty dudes rushed her pages with friend requests and blew up her inbox asking "how much?" after you posted the links to her info (why would you do that to begin with, LOL?)

The sudden "surge" of traffic to her page probably tipped her off that some gringo posted her info to a gringo sex board and she shut them (her pages) down.

This is why I don't share chica info and details. The one thing you can ALWAYS count on is Westerners fucking up a good thing.

[QUOTE=Sargent50;1898132]Be in MDE next week a few days (5) would a day trip to Bogota be recommended? Or split the stay 50/50 Mde / Bog? Any input appreciated.[/QUOTE]Day trips in general are a waste of time. If you have plenty of time to waste they are fine-- but 5 days IMHO is way too short of time to jam in an excursion.

Some people like to be busy. Personally I hate the packing / unpacking, checking in-out of hotels / apartments, arranging taxi to / from airports. If you only have 5 days you will be spending 1/2 your time coming and going. Relax-- there is more than enough for you to enjoy in Medellin. If you are asking this type of question I suspect you do not have Medellin mastered. Go to BOG next time.

Hello all,

Brand new member to this forum and firstly want to say this forum is fantastic. A lot of helpful information and insight. It's quite hard to find actual reviews on places like The M Hotel (Mansion) but eventually found one. Seems to be the recommended place to stay what with all the WGs that turn up during the day by the pool. What I wanted to know from you all is:

Is there a list of 'visitor friendly' hotels at all? I want to explore all my options accommodation wise as it will be my first time in Colombia (week in Medellin and a week in Cartagena).

Aside from Mansion, are there other hotel bars or pools that have large group of WGs hanging out during the day?

As I'll be travelling by myself, I'm open to meeting up with seasoned pros. Will ask again in Jan.

[QUOTE=Sargent50;1898132]Be in MDE next week a few days (5) would a day trip to Bogota be recommended? Or split the stay 50/50 Mde / Bog? Any input appreciated.[/QUOTE]To me 5 days is an eternity. Especially when you are somewhere like Medellin. I would recommend either the day trip or split the stay. It does not take days on end to sightsee, and since you are already in Colombia you might as well check it out. If you get there early enough you should be able to fit the 3 biggest attractions in. Go up Monserat, Cathedral of Salt (which is actually out of town) then get back to the city and go to the Gold Museum. I did 4 cities in Vietnam in 10 days, so I am sure it will be easy to cover both Medellin and Bogota in 5 days.

Actually, me, my dad, and my brother did both in 4 days last August. We arrived in Bogota at night and hung out in Santa Fe. The next morning we went to Medellin, hit casas, and set up the Escobar tour. That night the strip clubs and De Greiff. The next day the Escobar tour, lunch in Parque Lleras, more casas. Fase 2 that night. Next morning back to Bogota to see Monserat and the Gold Museum, and that night back on the plane to the States.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1899595]No she isn't a goner. Both links worked fine when I posted them. Probably has a sponsor that saw them and beat her over the head for still working on the side.

I think next time I'll have to send them to you in a private message. I know she is still working but giving out her phone number would be crossing the line I think.[/QUOTE]Much appreciated. If you get any updated info on any new contact info, I'd take a PM. I think like the last bloke said she might have gotten blown out of the lake. Or her sponsor got wind of if all. I have known a lot of chicas that keep the doors open in spite of their promises to close up shop once they get a sponsor! Hard to say no to that easy Gringo dollar one they get a taste for it.

Thanks again for all of the insight. On to my next conquest!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;1899743]Day trips in general are a waste of time. If you have plenty of time to waste they are fine-- but 5 days IMHO is way too short of time to jam in an excursion.

Some people like to be busy. Personally I hate the packing / unpacking, checking in-out of hotels / apartments, arranging taxi to / from airports. If you only have 5 days you will be spending 1/2 your time coming and going. Relax-- there is more than enough for you to enjoy in Medellin. If you are asking this type of question I suspect you do not have Medellin mastered. Go to BOG next time.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. It takes me 3-4 days just to decompress and chill out. Traveling is a big time and energy suck. Go to one place or the other, settle in and get to know the place and the people.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1899101]I understand about reading the forum, but it's not always easy to search for specific answers. And some people don't have the time to read the entire 250 pages of posts. LOL.

Welcome to the board. Here you go:

Where should I stay? For a first timer, I would suggest to stay at the Mansion. http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/ It's a small hotel, and they have english speakers, and girls are invited there daily to hang out. They are available for sessions in your room. They charge 150k-200k COP (about $50-70) for short time (I've had girls stay with me for 4-5 hours for that price if they are having a good time, not all in the room, go to lunch/dinner, go to a bar, etc)..[/QUOTE]Thanks for this post. Useful info. Question: have you stayed with Colombia Jake before? If you have, for a newbie like myself, which is more suitable? I am swaying toward Mansion only because they invite a lot of girls to hang out at the pool which sounds really good.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1899476]I am glad to see that my free casa map is useful to your business. How much are you charging gringos for the Centro casa tour?

Thank you..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1899593]Are you being facetious?

Seems to me. A free casa map would hurt tour guides giving casa tours.

Or are you implying that Jake couldn't find the casas without a map. Jajaja.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's a good one the truth is I've been giving tours here for almost 7 years, and several maps have been around just as long! To someone who is new to town to deal with looking around for addresses, and who or what's going around them is just not much fun! Its more fun to go with a guide / buddy and not have to constantly think about where's the next place, rather than just thinking about the sites and sex! The other advantage is I know which casas to avoid because there dirty or bad service. It's just more fun with me or Eric! We have some great massage girls some with happy endings and some just strictly massage depending on what you want. The jacuzzi is hot and we like to keep you busy with massage or tours and of course dates at night so take a look on the Colombia Jake website and see the new place!

Thanks, Colombia Jake.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;1899771]Hello all,

Brand new member to this forum and firstly want to say this forum is fantastic. A lot of helpful information and insight. It's quite hard to find actual reviews on places like The M Hotel (Mansion) but eventually found one. Seems to be the recommended place to stay what with all the WGs that turn up during the day by the pool. What I wanted to know from you all is:

Is there a list of 'visitor friendly' hotels at all? I want to explore all my options accommodation wise as it will be my first time in Colombia (week in Medellin and a week in Cartagena).[/QUOTE]I don't recall ever seeing a list. I understand there are hotels that are chica-friendly, but with a surcharge, some large. I have always stayed in an apartment.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;1899771]Aside from Mansion, are there other hotel bars or pools that have large group of WGs hanging out during the day?[/QUOTE]In Medellin, no, as in NONE! I have never visited Cartagena.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1899982]I don't recall ever seeing a list. I understand there are hotels that are chica-friendly, but with a surcharge, some large. I have always stayed in an apartment.

In Medellin, no, as in NONE! I have never visited Cartagena.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your comments. I'm guessing that Mansion seems to be the best place to stay for newbie.

I heard that you are using my map for your casa tour and charging the gringos a fee.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1899953]Yeah, that's a good one the truth is I've been giving tours here for almost 7 years, and several maps have been around just as long! To someone who is new to town to deal with looking around for addresses, and who or what's going around them is just not much fun! Its more fun to go with a guide / buddy and not have to constantly think about where's the next place, rather than just thinking about the sites and sex! The other advantage is I know which casas to avoid because there dirty or bad service. It's just more fun with me or Eric! We have some great massage girls some with happy endings and some just strictly massage depending on what you want. The jacuzzi is hot and we like to keep you busy with massage or tours and of course dates at night so take a look on the Colombia Jake website and see the new place!

Thanks, Colombia Jake.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1899994]I heard that you are using my map for your casa tour and charging the gringos a fee..[/QUOTE]He should be paying you and shouldn't be using this Forum to promote his business.

First time staying here last night stayed in M2-203, it's a short hike from M1, m2 is quiet outside of you can hear every door shut in building smh LOL. I guess good place for newbies but if you can find a chica friendly hotel it's too many options to pay the Mansion IMO. But each his own MDE due to low cost, better looking women and more options Mde is at the top of my list over places I've been for mongering over Sosua, Santo Domingo, San Jose / Jaco.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;1899940]Thanks for this post. Useful info. Question: have you stayed with Colombia Jake before? If you have, for a newbie like myself, which is more suitable? I am swaying toward Mansion only because they invite a lot of girls to hang out at the pool which sounds really good.[/QUOTE]I have never stayed with Jake. I never needed that much hand holding. I already spoke decent Spanish on my first trip but didn't have any contacts so I stayed at the Mansion. The place is overpriced (rooms, drinks, etc) but there's no other place like it unfortunately.

Go back pages and read about Jake's place and his girls to get an idea.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1899994]I heard that you are using my map for your casa tour and charging the gringos a fee.

.[/QUOTE]Sounds crazy. After 7 years of taking guys around to the casas. You'd think he'd have the map memorized by now. LOL!

Hi,

Not a first time poster. I just changed my name on here due to log in reasons. I was here last year and did post in both Bogota and Medellin threads. My question is what escort agency or casa would be the best for a 3 some with 2 paisas. Will be down in MDE in about 10 days.

Thanks

Chose 22 yo Carla yesterday. Long black probably fake hair. Big old booty. Decent face and bags. Actually bags were better than decent. They were above average. Did my usual at new life: CBJ then doggystyle. She wouldn't arch her back in doggy as she said it was too painful. Pretty decent overall. Will not repeat though.

Of course she asked for propina. My usual response, que es propina? Got to have that something extra for a propina in my opinion. Reminds me of the scene in reservoir dogs. Anyways, try her once if you like the big booty, but warning, she don't arch the back.

King

[QUOTE=Sargent50;1900049]First time staying here last night stayed in M2-203, it's a short hike from M1, m2 is quiet outside of you can hear every door shut in building smh LOL. I guess good place for newbies but if you can find a chica friendly hotel it's too many options to pay the Mansion IMO. But each his own MDE due to low cost, better looking women and more options Mde is at the top of my list over places I've been for mongering over Sosua, Santo Domingo, San Jose / Jaco.[/QUOTE]Hi!

What was the pool like during the day at M1: was there many girls hanging out for you to choose from? Liking the idea of hanging out with WGs throughout the day and taking them back. I'm planning on visiting Medellin next Feb and still undecided as to where to stay. Want to see as many WGs as possible but wondering if I am better off staying in a nicer hotel and relying on the various casas and Internet for women. It's been confirmed that no other hotel allow WGs to hang out in their hotel pool area.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;1900455]Hi!

What was the pool like during the day at M1: was there many girls hanging out for you to choose from? Liking the idea of hanging out with WGs throughout the day and taking them back. I'm planning on visiting Medellin next Feb and still undecided as to where to stay. Want to see as many WGs as possible but wondering if I am better off staying in a nicer hotel and relying on the various casas and Internet for women. It's been confirmed that no other hotel allow WGs to hang out in their hotel pool area.[/QUOTE]Allow me to suggest a hotel in Medellin called Sites. I was lodged at that accommodation for nine nights in October 2015 and encountered no problems. You can read my report of my stay on TripAdvisor at:

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g297478-d2677042-r326385386-Sites-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL]

In case that link doesn't work, look for a review titled "Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin!" on the Sites page on TripAdvisor.

To any Medellin newbies and lurkers monitoring this thread and thinking about visiting Medellin, remember: you don't need to stay at Mansion or use the services of ColombiaJake to have a great time in Medellin (no disrespect to either of those institutions). Yes, many people have had great trips to Medellin staying at Mansion and hanging out with Jake, but again, you [B]don't need[/B] those institutions to have fun in Medellin. Just do the proper research on this thread and on TripAdvisor and you'll have a great time.

One final thing: when I wrote my review of Sites last November on TripAdvisor, I received criticism from some ISG members that me mentioning that Sites is "chica friendly" would cause financial harm / ruin for that hotel. When I wrote my review, Sites was ranked #12 of 97 hotels in Medellin on TripAdvisor. Today, it's ranked #8 of 97. Nice to see that a clean, safe, conveniently-located, chica-friendly hotel continues to do well months after my stay.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1900478]Allow me to suggest a hotel in Medellin called Sites. I was lodged at that accommodation for nine nights in October 2015 and encountered no problems. You can read my report of my stay on TripAdvisor at:


To any Medellin newbies and lurkers monitoring this thread and thinking about visiting Medellin, remember: you don't need to stay at Mansion or use the services of ColombiaJake to have a great time in Medellin (no disrespect to either of those institutions). Yes, many people have had great trips to Medellin staying at Mansion and hanging out with Jake, but again, you [B]don't need[/B] those institutions to have fun in Medellin. Just do the proper research on this thread and on TripAdvisor and you'll have a great time.[/QUOTE]Agree, but staying in the Mansion helps guys on their first trip get oriented and meet some girls. They can help you with money exchange, getting a cell phone, etc. They show you around the casas. I spent my first 3 days in Medellin at the Mansion, then moved to an apartment. I'm glad I did it that way. They also throw killer parties during major American Holidays. Super Bowl at the Mansion is awesome.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1900478]One final thing: when I wrote my review of Sites last November on TripAdvisor, I received criticism from some ISG members that me mentioning that Sites is "chica friendly" would cause financial harm / ruin for that hotel. When I wrote my review, Sites was ranked #12 of 97 hotels in Medellin on TripAdvisor. Today, it's ranked #8 of 97. Nice to see that a clean, safe, conveniently-located, chica-friendly hotel continues to do well months after my stay.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]I think apartments are much superior to hotels. You get a larger space, a kitchen, balcony, laundry etc. Also, the chicas feel much more comfortable hanging out in a private apartment vs a hotel.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1899786]To me 5 days is an eternity. Especially when you are somewhere like Medellin. I would recommend either the day trip or split the stay. It does not take days on end to sightsee, and since you are already in Colombia you might as well check it out. If you get there early enough you should be able to fit the 3 biggest attractions in. Go up Monserat, Cathedral of Salt (which is actually out of town) then get back to the city and go to the Gold Museum. I did 4 cities in Vietnam in 10 days, so I am sure it will be easy to cover both Medellin and Bogota in 5 days.

Actually, me, my dad, and my brother did both in 4 days last August. We arrived in Bogota at night and hung out in Santa Fe. The next morning we went to Medellin, hit casas, and set up the Escobar tour. That night the strip clubs and De Greiff. The next day the Escobar tour, lunch in Parque Lleras, more casas. Fase 2 that night. Next morning back to Bogota to see Monserat and the Gold Museum, and that night back on the plane to the States.[/QUOTE]Just a warning if you take the Pablo Escobar tour with Paisa Road the tour guide Paula has a very negative personality. You can read the reviews for yourself on trip advisor about her. She really put a damper on the tour instead of just explaining the history and showing the sights. If there is another tour I would definitely try to use someone else.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1900478]Allow me to suggest a hotel in Medellin called Sites. I was lodged at that accommodation for nine nights in October 2015 and encountered no problems. You can read my report of my stay on TripAdvisor at:

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g297478-d2677042-r326385386-Sites-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL]

In case that link doesn't work, look for a review titled "Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin!" on the Sites page on TripAdvisor.

To any Medellin newbies and lurkers monitoring this thread and thinking about visiting Medellin, remember: you don't need to stay at Mansion or use the services of ColombiaJake to have a great time in Medellin (no disrespect to either of those institutions).[/QUOTE]Hello!

Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I'm planning to spend two or three weeks in Colombia. What I might do is stay in Mansion for the first few days. Then fly out to Cartagena for a week or so. Fly back to Medellin and stay at a hotel or apartment that's chica friendly. That way I get to know the area and hopefully have a few girls I can call upon.

As I'm not a senior member yet, is there a chance a senior member can start a new thread called chica friendly accommodation please? I think it would be really useful for us newbies to see names of chica friendly hotels and apartments.

Thanks

Mansion is doing the same in effect.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;1900047]He should be paying you and shouldn't be using this Forum to promote his business.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1900615]Agree, but staying in the Mansion helps guys on their first trip get oriented and meet some girls. They can help you with money exchange, getting a cell phone, etc. They show you around the casas. I spent my first 3 days in Medellin at the Mansion, then moved to an apartment. I'm glad I did it that way. They also throw killer parties during major American Holidays. Super Bowl at the Mansion is awesome.

I think apartments are much superior to hotels. You get a larger space, a kitchen, balcony, laundry etc. Also, the chicas feel much more comfortable hanging out in a private apartment vs a hotel.[/QUOTE]As I did a few years ago before my first trip to SXM I would like to thank all on the forum for your information. This time I finally am taking the next plunge and making my first mongering trip to Colombia. Just bought my ticket to MDE for September. Being a first timer I decided that the first two nights would be at the Mansion then several days in Santa Marta and finishing uo again in MDE where I plan to get an apartment I assume through Airbnb. They seem to have some great properties at decent prices. If anyone has any specific apartments that they could recommend that would be great.

Since I am a first timer to MDE and, an older one at that, I'm not looking for any trouble. That brings up a couple of questions.

1. Are the taxis at the airport safe? I will be arriving kind of late at night and although I have a couple of offers from amigas to meet me at the airport, I plan to do some "shopping" before I connect with anyone. Would it be better to take up the transportation offered through the Mansion? If so is there much of a premium for this service? (I guess I could ask tomorrow when I'm making my reservation.

2. While I have two amigas that I met previously in SXM that I likely will be with some of the time while in Colombia I do want to explore a few of the strip clubs on my own. Again, are the taxis getting you there and returning later in the evening reasonably reliable or is a major risk to try to get a taxi from in front of a club?

I've RTFF so I think a lot of my other questions have been answered but if anyone has anything they can add, please let me know.

Barkey.

No complaints but no one was using the pool I guess wasn't hot enough the girls just hang around there till evening then migrate to the bar downstairs. It wasn't that many to choose from but I stayed at the M Sunday (m2) and Monday (m1) I imagine weekends it's plenty more to choose from. But I visited new life etc so the lack of options didn't bother me. But some guys I met said they never left the M so it's your preference I'm not a vet but I do believe it's the only hotel to offer the luxury.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;1900455]Hi!

What was the pool like during the day at M1: was there many girls hanging out for you to choose from? Liking the idea of hanging out with WGs throughout the day and taking them back. I'm planning on visiting Medellin next Feb and still undecided as to where to stay. Want to see as many WGs as possible but wondering if I am better off staying in a nicer hotel and relying on the various casas and Internet for women. It's been confirmed that no other hotel allow WGs to hang out in their hotel pool area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barkey;1900872]As I did a few years ago before my first trip to SXM I would like to thank all on the forum for your information. This time I finally am taking the next plunge and making my first mongering trip to Colombia. Just bought my ticket to MDE for September. Being a first timer I decided that the first two nights would be at the Mansion then several days in Santa Marta and finishing uo again in MDE where I plan to get an apartment I assume through Airbnb. They seem to have some great properties at decent prices. If anyone has any specific apartments that they could recommend that would be great.

Since I am a first timer to MDE and, an older one at that, I'm not looking for any trouble. That brings up a couple of questions.

1. Are the taxis at the airport safe? I will be arriving kind of late at night and although I have a couple of offers from amigas to meet me at the airport, I plan to do some "shopping" before I connect with anyone. Would it be better to take up the transportation offered through the Mansion? If so is there much of a premium for this service? (I guess I could ask tomorrow when I'm making my reservation.

2. While I have two amigas that I met previously in SXM that I likely will be with some of the time while in Colombia I do want to explore a few of the strip clubs on my own. Again, are the taxis getting you there and returning later in the evening reasonably reliable or is a major risk to try to get a taxi from in front of a club?

I've RTFF so I think a lot of my other questions have been answered but if anyone has anything they can add, please let me know.

Barkey.[/QUOTE]Taxis from the airport are pretty safe. But I'd just use the Mansion's pick-up service. It's nice to have someone waiting for you at the airport on your first visit. It's not a significant difference in cost. Also, they may be picking up another guest at the same time, which would be nice as you can share info with the other guest during the ride. And of course split the cost, making it less than catching your own taxi.

IMO, taxis in MDE are safer than in lots of places in S. America. However, for peace of mind, there is something you can do to ensure safety. When you get in the taxi, take a picture of the driver's registration displayed on the dash. Then send the photo to someone who knows where you are (or just send it to yourself). And make sure the driver knows what you're doing and why. Tell him you always do this for your own safety. He shouldn't be offended.

[QUOTE=Barkey;1900872]
1. Are the taxis at the airport safe? I will be arriving kind of late at night and although I have a couple of offers from amigas to meet me at the airport, I plan to do some "shopping" before I connect with anyone. Would it be better to take up the transportation offered through the Mansion? If so is there much of a premium for this service? (I guess I could ask tomorrow when I'm making my reservation.

2. While I have two amigas that I met previously in SXM that I likely will be with some of the time while in Colombia I do want to explore a few of the strip clubs on my own. Again, are the taxis getting you there and returning later in the evening reasonably reliable or is a major risk to try to get a taxi from in front of a club [/QUOTE]1) AIRPORT- My guess the Mansion private driver meeting you at the airport with signage will run about 80,000 cop compared with 60,000 cop you will probably pay grabbing a waiting taxi outside the door. To me a 20,000 ($7 usd) difference is not enough to risk a scam, ripoff or robbery. I have always felt the airport arrival is my most vulnerable time in in trip. I have with me ALL my cash, credit cards and belongings. I am always extra cautious on arrival and for a night time arrival I would suggest spending the $$ and get you ass safely and quickly to the Mansion. (for morning arrivals I have often taken the bus to San Diego and picked up a taxi from there to Mansion) - The added benefit is that the sooner you are at the Mansion the more likely you will not miss a Cueva oportunity that may not be there if you dilly dally.

2) STRIPCLUBS-- Late night strip clubbing is a different matter. If you are street smart, Spanish speaking, sober, in a group or with a buddy-- Probably no problems. If on the other hand you like to get drunk, obnoxious and are flying solo- Well you will be targeted by all the scumbags that migrate to stripclubs to look for easy pickings. Stripclubs everywhere on this planet have taxis sitting outside waiting for the next sucker to hop in. Medellin is no different. In general MDE taxis are honest, but if you were to look for problem a strip club parking lot is where you probably find one. ME-- I would use easy taxi or hop in a taxi dropping off a fare rather than take a taxi sitting there waiting.

Good luck, have fun and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Barkey;1900872]
1. Are the taxis at the airport safe? I will be arriving kind of late at night and although I have a couple of offers from amigas to meet me at the airport, I plan to do some "shopping" before I connect with anyone. Would it be better to take up the transportation offered through the Mansion? If so is there much of a premium for this service? (I guess I could ask tomorrow when I'm making my reservation.

2. While I have two amigas that I met previously in SXM that I likely will be with some of the time while in Colombia I do want to explore a few of the strip clubs on my own. Again, are the taxis getting you there and returning later in the evening reasonably reliable or is a major risk to try to get a taxi from in front of a club [/QUOTE]1) AIRPORT- My guess the Mansion private driver meeting you at the airport with signage will run about 80,000 cop compared with 60,000 cop you will probably pay grabbing a waiting taxi outside the door. To me a 20,000 ($7 usd) difference is not enough to risk a scam, ripoff or robbery. I have always felt the airport arrival is my most vulnerable time in in trip. I have with me ALL my cash, credit cards and belongings. I am always extra cautious on arrival and for a night time arrival I would suggest spending the $$ and get you ass safely and quickly to the Mansion. (for morning arrivals I have often taken the bus to San Diego and picked up a taxi from there to Mansion) - The added benefit is that the sooner you are at the Mansion the more likely you will not miss a Cueva oportunity that may not be there if you dilly dally.

2) STRIPCLUBS-- Late night strip clubbing is a different matter. If you are street smart, Spanish speaking, sober, in a group or with a buddy-- Probably no problems. If on the other hand you like to get drunk, obnoxious and are flying solo- Well you will be targeted by all the scumbags that migrate to stripclubs to look for easy pickings. Stripclubs everywhere on this planet have taxis sitting outside waiting for the next sucker to hop in. Medellin is no different. In general MDE taxis are honest, but if you were to look for problem a strip club parking lot is where you probably find one. ME-- I would use easy taxi or hop in a taxi dropping off a fare rather than take a taxi sitting there waiting.

Good luck, have fun and stay safe.

Just use uber and be down with it.

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;1900932]1) AIRPORT- My guess the Mansion private driver meeting you at the airport with signage will run about 80,000 cop compared with 60,000 cop you will probably pay grabbing a waiting taxi outside the door. To me a 20,000 ($7 usd) difference is not enough to risk a scam, ripoff or robbery. I have always felt the airport arrival is my most vulnerable time in in trip. I have with me ALL my cash, credit cards and belongings. I am always extra cautious on arrival and for a night time arrival I would suggest spending the $$ and get you ass safely and quickly to the Mansion. (for morning arrivals I have often taken the bus to San Diego and picked up a taxi from there to Mansion) - The added benefit is that the sooner you are at the Mansion the more likely you will not miss a Cueva oportunity that may not be there if you dilly dally.

2) STRIPCLUBS-- Late night strip clubbing is a different matter. If you are street smart, Spanish speaking, sober, in a group or with a buddy-- Probably no problems. If on the other hand you like to get drunk, obnoxious and are flying solo- Well you will be targeted by all the scumbags that migrate to stripclubs to look for easy pickings. Stripclubs everywhere on this planet have taxis sitting outside waiting for the next sucker to hop in. Medellin is no different. In general MDE taxis are honest, but if you were to look for problem a strip club parking lot is where you probably find one. ME-- I would use easy taxi or hop in a taxi dropping off a fare rather than take a taxi sitting there waiting.

Good luck, have fun and stay safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;1900937]1) AIRPORT- My guess the Mansion private driver meeting you at the airport with signage will run about 80,000 cop compared with 60,000 cop you will probably pay grabbing a waiting taxi outside the door. To me a 20,000 ($7 usd) difference is not enough to risk a scam, ripoff or robbery. I have always felt the airport arrival is my most vulnerable time in in trip. I have with me ALL my cash, credit cards and belongings. I am always extra cautious on arrival and for a night time arrival I would suggest spending the $$ and get you ass safely and quickly to the Mansion. (for morning arrivals I have often taken the bus to San Diego and picked up a taxi from there to Mansion) - The added benefit is that the sooner you are at the Mansion the more likely you will not miss a Cueva oportunity that may not be there if you dilly dally.

2) STRIPCLUBS-- Late night strip clubbing is a different matter. If you are street smart, Spanish speaking, sober, in a group or with a buddy-- Probably no problems. If on the other hand you like to get drunk, obnoxious and are flying solo- Well you will be targeted by all the scumbags that migrate to stripclubs to look for easy pickings. Stripclubs everywhere on this planet have taxis sitting outside waiting for the next sucker to hop in. Medellin is no different. In general MDE taxis are honest, but if you were to look for problem a strip club parking lot is where you probably find one. ME-- I would use easy taxi or hop in a taxi dropping off a fare rather than take a taxi sitting there waiting.

Good luck, have fun and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I just made reservations for airport P / you with the mansion and it is 75 K. I recommend this, as lots of taxis have a hard time finding the mansion, even with the address. As far as taxis in the city, use easy taxi if you can, or look for the yellow taxis with meters. Great advice after getting out of the strip club. I noticed when we were at "The girls" formerly LaIsla, they tried to make us take their taxis sitting there that were white and had their name on the side. We refused and waited for a yellow taxi drop off. Pissed them off, but it's our choice.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1900860]Mansion is doing the same in effect.[/QUOTE]Greg used to post directly on this site years ago and the Mansion gets a lot of free press given that they've been around for years and a lot of the forum member posts their experiences their which is fine. I've been on a lot of the other boards on this Site in Asia, etc. And have yet to see someone posting / advertising their business establishment like is being done on this Forum.

Thanks guys for your input on the taxis and taxi safety.

I did go ahead and book the Mansion's service too. It just makes things a lot simpler. The 75 K cost is correct and for just a bit more than a regular taxi to me it just makes sense.

Barkey.

What time do the 2 centro strip clubs open?

I will probably try to get there about 30-60 minutes after they open. I'm not big on staying out till 4-5 am anymore.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1901871]What time do the 2 centro strip clubs open?

I will probably try to get there about 30-60 minutes after they open. I'm not big on staying out till 4-5 am anymore.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The monger map says they open at 6 pm.

I was there late last night but didn't ask them. I saw your post afterwards.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1901871]What time do the 2 centro strip clubs open?

I will probably try to get there about 30-60 minutes after they open. I'm not big on staying out till 4-5 am anymore.[/QUOTE]Well since there are more than 2 downtown strip clubs, which 2 are you referring to? The doorman at Conejita's said they open at 2. But open and good time to be there are two different things.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1901871]What time do the 2 centro strip clubs open?

I will probably try to get there about 30-60 minutes after they open. I'm not big on staying out till 4-5 am anymore.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Better go there after 9 pm. Very slow before 9 pm.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1901871]What time do the 2 centro strip clubs open?

I will probably try to get there about 30-60 minutes after they open. I'm not big on staying out till 4-5 am anymore.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]But club connejita has some decent line up even 6-7 pm, but barra executivo is slow before 9 pm.

[QUOTE=DonSmith10;1902236]But club connejita has some decent line up even 6-7 pm, but barra executivo is slow before 9 pm.[/QUOTE]I concur that Conejitos had a great lineup each time I went. I think I went three nights in a row, all after 9 pm. It got exponentially more crowded as time passed. I noticed though that very few guys were actually taking the plunge. I had lots of money to spend but decided to only grab one girl each night so as not to draw attention from the other unsavory guys in the club. I asked each girl if they would come to my hotel the next day, but only one took the offer, though I didn't end up calling her. Again, centro is really shady after dark! Be safe!

Arrived at the airport last night after 10 pm, went outside and the buses to El Centro were right there. The fare is now 9000, posted on a windshield decal. Got dropped off at the final stop behind Nutibara. I checked in my hotel, freshened up, then made my way to Barra Ejecutiva. Lots of customers on a Friday night, but the problem was, there weren't enough chicks. The ones that were there, weren't too impressive either. The strippers on stage were doing something weird with shaving cream, spraying and smearing all over their body, and were rubbing it into the tipping guys' heads.

So I moved over to Club Maracaibo Show. Not as many customers there, girls-to-guys ratio was much better. Chatted up a 22 year old, negotiated 85000 for half hour, room, and BBBJ. When I pulled out my money, turned out I only 70000 in my pocket. She said ok let's go. Had an ok session, afterwards she kept pitching me to take her back to my hotel room, 100000 to stay from 2 am to 5 am. I wasn't feeling it so declined. I was hungry so walked around De Grieff and had a bowl of soup from a street vendor. Lots of police on foot patrol, road crew digging and stuff, I didn't feel unsafe at all. Yes the homeless and druggies were spaced out or spread out on the sidewalk, but, not my problem.

This afternoon went to chicas punto com. I didn't like any of the girls in the line-up. Walked one flight up to the other place. Picked a girl named Luna. Paid mama 40000. Very pretty face but loose baby belly. All rooms were taken so they put us in their "locker room" (yes the girls' lockers were in there) -- which has no bed, only sofa chairs and sheets on the damn floor! Fucked her on the chair, just like I do in the VIP room in my favorite hood strip club back home. Then we moved on to the fucking polished concrete floor. She put up a good fight and I busted before I could damage my kneecaps doing missionary on concrete.

Walked by Plaza Botero afterwards and there was some sort of free Hindu concert. Walked the 2, 3 blocks around checking out the street girls. No thanks. My verdict so far on Medellin? Take me back to Bogota. The number of girls at the strip clubs and the street vibe of Santa Fe just can't be beat. I'm sort of underwhelmed by the supposedly legendary paisa beauty. Have all the good looking ones gone to work in Bogota? I'll hit up the Conejitas and the other two strip clubs again tonight, and more casas tomorrow. See if that'll change my impression.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1902099]Well since there are more than 2 downtown strip clubs, which 2 are you referring to? The doorman at Conejita's said they open at 2. But open and good time to be there are two different things.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I meant the 2 clubs that are next to each other. I believe there used to be 3 on the same block, but one closed down? Executivo, Maracaibo, and Las Americas (closed?) or am I mistaken?

Thanks for the info.

Great report Parkinsons. As far as the beauty is concerned you have to remember that you were at the casas and strip clubs where the girls are not really dolled up. But check out Parque Lleras tonight where the nonpros are if you want to witness the Paisa beauty that everyone speaks of. As far as comparing to Santa Fe, for me it is 6 in one hand and half dozen in the other. Depends on whether I have a taste for hot dogs or hamburgers that day. I do like my 30K hotel in Medellin better than my 45K hotel close to Santa Fe though. I'm in the process of looking for a better place to stay in the Santa Fe area. And I am sure that you could have gotten that Maracaibo chick for 60K. It is a bit cooler inside of Maracaibo too whereas it is usually hot as hell up in BE.

Arrived at the airport last night after 10 pm, went outside and the buses to El Centro were right there. The fare is now 9000, posted on a windshield decal. Got dropped off at the final stop behind Nutibara.

I am thinking about taking this bus when I arrive as well. Can you or anyone tell me if the bus was direct from the airport to Centro or were there any stops in between. How long vs a taxi. I've been around the Hotel Nutibarra area in the day but never at night any worries with luggage in hand.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1902310]Arrived at the airport last night after 10 pm, went outside and the buses to El Centro were right there. The fare is now 9000, posted on a windshield decal. Got dropped off at the final stop behind Nutibara. I checked in my hotel, freshened up, then made my way to Barra Ejecutiva. Lots of customers on a Friday night, but the problem was, there weren't enough chicks. The ones that were there, weren't too impressive either. The strippers on stage were doing something weird with shaving cream, spraying and smearing all over their body, and were rubbing it into the tipping guys' heads.

So I moved over to Club Maracaibo Show. Not as many customers there, girls-to-guys ratio was much better. Chatted up a 22 year old, negotiated 85000 for half hour, room, and BBBJ. When I pulled out my money, turned out I only 70000 in my pocket. She said ok let's go. Had an ok session, afterwards she kept pitching me to take her back to my hotel room, 100000 to stay from 2 am to 5 am. I wasn't feeling it so declined. I was hungry so walked around De Grieff and had a bowl of soup from a street vendor. Lots of police on foot patrol, road crew digging and stuff, I didn't feel unsafe at all..[/QUOTE]Parkinson,

I'm here now with a few buds myself. Can you post the address to chicaspuntocom? Taxi drivers give us a shrug every time we ask if they know the place. Last night we hit Parque Lleras but it was pouring out so all the Paisas were scattered about. My friend picked up a hot 19 yo and brought her back for 200 k w / BBBJ. But in the end he said she was not in to anything much but the bang. Hot, but a yawner. Fase II in El Problado is great and was jumping w / girls. My other friend picked up a blonde for 150 k total w / room, no BBBJ though. Its Sunday now and we're thinking of what options are out there today. Parque Lleras will naturally be the option tonight but want a better deal than 150-200 k range. Where are all the local deals guys? The 60-100 k range? I want the most bang / quality for the buck since I'm the deal hunter of the group No, not cheap, just love getting over compared with the average gringo. Oh, and I picked up several chicks off colombiacupid before arriving. Hit one the first night for 150 k and she was simply amazing- deep kissing, 69, BBBJ. Just perfect for my first experience here. I recommend it to mongers before heading down. Its like $30 for the month but watch their automatic renewals (I only paid for one month then cancelled). I "spammed" a bunch of chicks about my travel here and got plenty of responses. Once they responded I told them exactly what I was seeking. Many ignored me since its a "relationship" site but a few took me on. I have 2 other dates lined up from the site, plus seeing the first one again before we leave. So far I would say Medellin is amazing. Its generally safe, people are pleasant and helpful, food is fantastic, everything far cheaper compared to "back home. " Weather has been overcast so sun soaking has been elusive but great weather otherwise.

Tony

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1902330]Great report Parkinsons. As far as the beauty is concerned you have to remember that you were at the casas and strip clubs where the girls are not really dolled up. But check out Parque Lleras tonight where the nonpros are if you want to witness the Paisa beauty that everyone speaks of. [/QUOTE]Yes somebody did write about the discrepancy in hotness between the civilian chicks and the working girls. Perhaps I'll make a trip to Parque Lleras and find out tonight. Right now, I'm at the Acevedo metro station waiting to take the J line cable cars up to Santo Domingo. The line stretches the whole way down the entire platform. Damn!

Pic is some guy getting busted by the cops last night in El Centro. I couldn't take a photo of his face, dude got it bashed and blood was pouring out of his nose.

The north route directly takes you to Centro while the southern route stops at San Diego first and ends at Centro. The both routes take around 45-50 minutes, 15-20 minutes longer than taxi ride. The area behind Nutibara Hotel is unsafe in the night. I have no idea why They keep bus station there. Colombians do not think that much.

[QUOTE=RLTeddy;1902475]Arrived at the airport last night after 10 pm, went outside and the buses to El Centro were right there. The fare is now 9000, posted on a windshield decal. Got dropped off at the final stop behind Nutibara.

I am thinking about taking this bus when I arrive as well. Can you or anyone tell me if the bus was direct from the airport to Centro or were there any stops in between. How long vs a taxi. I've been around the Hotel Nutibarra area in the day but never at night any worries with luggage in hand.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RLTeddy;1902475]Arrived at the airport last night after 10 pm, went outside and the buses to El Centro were right there. The fare is now 9000, posted on a windshield decal. Got dropped off at the final stop behind Nutibara.

I am thinking about taking this bus when I arrive as well. Can you or anyone tell me if the bus was direct from the airport to Centro or were there any stops in between. How long vs a taxi. I've been around the Hotel Nutibarra area in the day but never at night any worries with luggage in hand.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Anyone on the bus can ask to be dropped off anywhere on the route. The last time I rode that bus, we left the airport with almost a full load. When the bus arrived at the Nutibara, I was the only passenger. The bus does not have any scheduled stops. If you arrive in Centro at night, stay at the area where the bus stops. There should be taxis there, or pass by often.

[QUOTE=TonyTigre;1902541]Parkinson,

I'm here now with a few buds myself. Can you post the address to chicaspuntocom? Taxi drivers give us a shrug every time we ask if they know the place.... My friend picked up a hot 19 yo and brought her back for 200 k w / BBBJ. But in the end he said she was not in to anything much but the bang. Hot, but a yawner.[/QUOTE]Calle 54 no. 49-97 second floor.

"Not much into anything except banging" -- isn't that what all guys want LOL??

Good luck organizing and have everyone going along with your plan.

As far as MDE vs Bogota, is it relevant that Bogota is about 3 times as big? It probably has a much larger red-light district and a larger group of hot women to pick from.

Also, Centro (MDE) doesn't generally have the hottest-looking Paisas (though gems can certainly be found).

FWIW, I've never been to Bogota. As another poster noted, little interest in vacationing somewhere where I need to wear a jacket. But, with a metro area of over 10 million, I'm sure there's incredible talent to choose from.

Nice post. Those places you are visiting such as puntocom, Maracaibo, conejitas, degriff, are the lower end joints were you often find the poor Barrio girls and are not not always the best places to get the best representation of paysa beauty. If you are goin to stay in el centro try also new life, zandalay, Paris, coffee shop, and club last Amigas sexy and the higher end Casas such as energy in Laureles and Loutron, go to Parque Lleras in Poblado and also club face II. Take the metro train and visit las avenida 70 in Laureles and other areas and also take the metro cable. That way you'll get a pretty good sampling of paysa beauty. Keep enjoying Medellin.

Cerebro

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1902310]Arrived at the airport last night after 10 pm, went outside and the buses to El Centro were right there. The fare is now 9000, posted on a windshield decal. Got dropped off at the final stop behind Nutibara. I checked in my hotel, freshened up, then made my way to Barra Ejecutiva. Lots of customers on a Friday night, but the problem was, there weren't enough chicks. The ones that were there, weren't too impressive either. The strippers on stage were doing something weird with shaving cream, spraying and smearing all over their body, and were rubbing it into the tipping guys' heads.

So I moved over to Club Maracaibo Show. Not as many customers there, girls-to-guys ratio was much better. Chatted up a 22 year old, negotiated 85000 for half hour, room, and BBBJ. When I pulled out my money, turned out I only 70000 in my pocket. She said ok let's go. Had an ok session, afterwards she kept pitching me to take her back to my hotel room, 100000 to stay from 2 am to 5 am. I wasn't feeling it so declined. I was hungry so walked around De Grieff and had a bowl of soup from a street vendor. Lots of police on foot patrol, road crew digging and stuff, I didn't feel unsafe at all. Yes the homeless and druggies were spaced out or spread out on the sidewalk, but, not my problem..[/QUOTE]

Last night went to Ejecutiva, pulled a big butt morena. Negotiated 70000 incl BBBJ. The secret passage ways these places construct to go up to their fuck rooms are crazy! Going through the men's bathroom!? Does anyone know why this "speak easy" design came into being? Well, this girl can fuck! We got a winner here. She suggested coming to my hotel for TLN for 150000. I agreed but after she talked to management, told me I'd have to pay a multa. I told her I would go check out other places then come back to get her at 3:30 am when they close. So I walked to Conejitas, the talent level was average. I did see a real classy girl that looks like a paisa version of Olivia Wilde. She was fully dressed and the whole time I was there, kept to one table with a group so I didn't know if she was actually working or not. Stayed there for a while then went to the other basement bar on the same block. This place was pitiful. Only 4 girls were there. Strolled back over to Maracaibo, now there were some real lookers here. By then they were about to close and this hot chick I was chatting with said we could go to Casa Blanca and for un rato will cost me 100000. She said this is the after hours place a lot of girls were going there. (I also asked my morena about Casa Blanca, she said she heard people talk about it but has never been there.) Does anyone know what that is? It's not some place around the corner, you'd have to take taxi.

Spent a real good TLN with the girl from Ejecutiva. She didn't leave my hotel room until 10 in the morning. Turned out she lives close by in Prado. Well I promised you guys so I did it. I walked a hooker back to her home, holding hands even, how romantic! Passed by a pet store, they had rabbits crammed in one cage, but roosters get their own individual units. Girl told me those are for cock-fighting.

In the afternoon, I first went to New Life, there were only 2 in the line-up. One looked to be 40 years old, she kept herself nicely but still. The other one is average. I didn't feel like sitting around to wait, so I went to Coffee shop. They weren't open. Walked north on the same street to Dulce Compania. Only 3 very average girls in the line-up. Walked north a few doors to Paisa Relax, only 2 working but I really like the one with deep dimples when she smiled at me so I chose her. Blonde hair blue eyed chick with Lilly white skin, just a tad bit belly fat. Had a good session so I asked her to come to my hotel later, 100000 for 3 hours. Right after I left she immediately hit me up on whatsapp, I told her where I'm staying and -- 20 minutes later she was like, hey come downstairs I'm outside. It's Sunday the place closed early and she rode right over on her own moped! I was like mi amor can you come later? I was thinking I just fucked, no way I could reload quick enough to get my money's worth. And sorry, we are not doing romantic non-fucking shit when she's on the clock! Sadly I turned her away.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1902784]The secret passage ways these places construct to go up to their fuck rooms are crazy! Going through the men's bathroom!? Does anyone know why this "speak easy" design came into being? Well, this girl can fuck! We got a winner here. She suggested coming to my hotel for TLN for 150000.[/QUOTE]That is the shit that I am talking about. Man you hit the ground at full speed. 150K for TLN. That sounds more like it; not this 300K+ ST for some chick they were set up with people have been on here talking about.

I don't know what is up with the speak easy set up. One time I was in Conejita's and they had a normal door that you go into to get upstairs. The next time I was there they had built a midget sized door behind the bar that you go through.

I'm not a newbie sucker that would be dumb enough to pay 250K for 90 minutes on a regular basis. But I saw a chica that I want to bang on my upcoming trip on one of the websites. Though I'm thinking that there's a good chance that the pics are either touched up or totally fake. But in any case. I'm thinking about booking her and if it's the real deal, and she's good, to book her again direct for half that. Has anybody tried it?

In case you are wondering, this is the one: [URL]https://co.eliteoutcall.com/md/rosalinda-escort-medellin.htm[/URL].

Parkinsons,

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that hold hands and spend time romancing hookers. It reminded me one night in cabaret the DR dining with a young Italian monger I met and two hookers at a random beach restaurant, looking at the ocean, great food and wine, nice live romantic music, candles everywhere. The girls were giggling all the time and taking pictures with us as if if it was a real honeymoon. That short moment was priceless and Felt better than the honeymoon with my ex. I was thinking back them this is so fucked up, but also fun LOL. Keep having fun romancing the hookers or paisas LOL. I can't wait to go to Medellin. Are you still disappointed at the paisa beauty?

Cerebro.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1902784]Spent a real good TLN with the girl from Ejecutiva. She didn't leave my hotel room until 10 in the morning. Turned out she lives close by in Prado. Well I promised you guys so I did it. I walked a hooker back to her home, holding hands even, how romantic! Passed by a pet store, they had rabbits crammed in one cage, but roosters get their own individual units. Girl told me those are for cock-fighting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RLTeddy;1902475]Arrived at the airport last night after 10 pm, went outside and the buses to El Centro were right there. The fare is now 9000, posted on a windshield decal. Got dropped off at the final stop behind Nutibara.

I am thinking about taking this bus when I arrive as well. Can you or anyone tell me if the bus was direct from the airport to Centro or were there any stops in between. How long vs a taxi. I've been around the Hotel Nutibarra area in the day but never at night any worries with luggage in hand.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've taken the bus between the airport and Nutibara several times. There was a brief drop-off but not lots of stops. In effect, it's a direct run. It's longer than a taxi but a comfortable ride and a good vehicle. I don't usually travel with vast amounts of luggage but arriving at night I walk pretty quickly from the bus stop round to the front of Nutibara. A lot of people get off the bus at the same time so it's not as if the street is empty. Just stay alert. I avoid the back of the Nutibara if I can, especially after midnight, but I'd use the bus again unless I had a reason not to. The only slight problem I had was once during the day when it got stuck in traffic not far from the Nutibara. I got off and walked but getting through crowds with any luggage is a hassle. Since then (especially looking at the prices local airlines charge for checked-in luggage, and the ease of travelling anywhere with just a backpack, the backpack is my first choice. In crowds, I wear it on the front and on cheap buses it goes on my lap.) Hope that helps.

By the way, if you arrive late at night the Nutibara is not bad at all. The quality of rooms varies so if I haven't liked the one offered I've asked for a different one until I get a good room. Then if I'm moving, I have all morning to look at other places without carrying luggage around. I've got better rooms that way in most places as I haven't committed myself in advance (obviously this doesn't work with places that sell out though.).

[QUOTE=Jan156;1903041]By the way, if you arrive late at night the Nutibara is not bad at all. The quality of rooms varies so if I haven't liked the one offered I've asked for a different one until I get a good room. Then if I'm moving, I have all morning to look at other places without carrying luggage around. I've got better rooms that way in most places as I haven't committed myself in advance (obviously this doesn't work with places that sell out though.).[/QUOTE]I operate the same way. I booked Nutibara for one night at first, because it was so close to the bus stop I could just do a 40 yard dash and not get mugged LOL. They put me on the top floor with a walk out rooftop terrace, it was so nice I had no need to find another hotel for the rest of my trip. Plus Nutibara turned out to be a great base of operation. It was smack dab in the middle of the strip clubs I was doing my late night runs with ease. Pic is the view I had at night. The hookers who came over liked it too. It was just so romantic taking them out on the terrace, looking over El Centro while fondling them. The room came out to about US $40 per night, the first time I brought a working girl back the front desk was telling me I had to pay extra. I told him no, I have a reservation for 2. He gave me some bullshit about I'm a foreigner and she's Colombian, so that's be 10200 extra (what an odd number.) I reluctantly agreed without further argument, because it was only like US $3. The second girl I brought in, he gave me the same BS. But at the end when I checked out, he forgot to add the fee in.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1903019]Parkinsons,
Keep having fun romancing the hookers or paisas LOL. I can't wait to go to Medellin. Are you still disappointed at the paisa beauty?
Cerebro.[/QUOTE]As I stayed longer, I did see more hot women out and about. Just to be clear, when I initially made the comparison to Bogota, I was making reference to the working girls in Santa Fe. The hot ones I saw at Fiebre Sex, almost all of them told me they're paisas. That's why I was like, damn did they all moved from Medellin to work in Bogota?

Anyhow, the club I found to have the greatest number of hot chicks was Maracaibo. I didn't make my way to Parque Lleras but I see what you and Mr. E were saying. Wealthier women may be prettier. Last night at Hotel Nutibara, there were a whole bunch of people just checked in. They are all middle class well to do couples. The women of the younger couples were smoking hot. I asked were they celebrating a wedding or something, one of them told me no, it was a church marriage conference or couples' retreat something like that. Damn girl while your husband is sneaking out to Ejecutiva, let me keep you entertained!

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;1899985]Thanks for your comments. I'm guessing that Mansion seems to be the best place to stay for newbie.[/QUOTE]No, we offer more options and tours for the newbies here at ColombiaJakes!

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1900860]Mansion is doing the same in effect.[/QUOTE]Most definitely they use surrogates to tout their business no different than Donald Trump!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1901160]Greg used to post directly on this site years ago and the Mansion gets a lot of free press given that they've been around for years and a lot of the forum member posts their experiences their which is fine. I've been on a lot of the other boards on this Site in Asia, etc. And have yet to see someone posting / advertising their business establishment like is being done on this Forum.[/QUOTE]They don't do it directly through Greg anymore because of this kind of push back, so they do it through surrogates or under fake screen names but its being done! You actually think the over and over mentions of the mansion are random customers? Please! We've been around for a long time as well and nobody offers are our unique services which in our opinion are more fun then just getting a nut with some throw away!

Thanks, Colombia Jake.

Thank you for the interesting and intelligent writing. Post on your own thread.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1903508]No, we offer more options and tours for the newbies here at ColombiaJakes!

Most definitely they use surrogates to tout their business no different than Donald Trump!

They don't do it directly through Greg anymore because of this kind of push back, so they do it through surrogates or under fake screen names but its being done! You actually think the over and over mentions of the mansion are random customers? Please! We've been around for a long time as well and nobody offers are our unique services which in our opinion are more fun then just getting a nut with some throw away!

Thanks, Colombia Jake.[/QUOTE]

A few quick thoughts before I post a detailed TR.

Medellin is awesome. I will definitely be back. Stayed at the M2, never again. The hill sucks & I just had both knees scoped so it was quite a struggle going up. I'll be back but only if the M1 has space.

-1) The Mansion is awesome! I don't know how anyone could ever complain about this place. Robert & Boyd were as good a host as could be asked for. This was my first trip so it fit perfectly.

-2) The 7/4 Pool Party was an adventure in itself, I will be back next year. At the M1!

-3) I've heard people on here complaining about the price of the Mansion girls. Really? 150,000 COP= $52.81 or less if you use a Schwab card at the ATM as their rate is better. $52 to hook up with a model quality chica that wouldn't give you the time of day back here in the P#why Prison. Hard for me to believe anyone can complain about that!

-4) Some guys are willing to pay $75 to be set up with the GFE. Again. Really? You're going to pay somebody to have them tell a chica to treat this guy like he is your BF because he's paying me $75? You can get that 10 X over at The Mansion, hook up, spend time, bring them out for dinner, whatever and pay the chica the same amount without having to go thru a chica broker. And you can choose from several girls. I just don't get it!!

-5) While I met some really cool guys at the M, there are always a goofball in the crowd. One was complaining about not finding any skinny girls at the M, on the street or in the strip clubs. Un-fricking-believable!! Another, a stunt double for Millhouse on the Simpsons, was so proud of himself, his Spanish speaking ability & the fact that he was retiring next year it was nauseating to listen to him talk for more than 5 min much less continue to talk to him after meeting him. Within 3 minutes of meeting him at breakfast one morning he told me 2 X that he was fluent in Spanish, 3 X that he was retiring next year & he even had the huevos to brag about himself to someone he just met & say "I'm a Professor and I'm good at it!" Half the guys on this board could go take a test & be a "Professor' tomorrow! I heard him speaking to a cab one afternoon & I swear, Peggy Hill speaks as well as a local native speaker compared to his cartoon Spanish. I truly feel sorry for the guy!

-6) why'all can have my share of the casa girls. The girls aren't bad, I just find the casas disgusting. I'll pay for the Mansion (dare I say GF? Experience. I am not a germophobe but do you really think those sheets are washed between pops? I doubt I'll ever be back!

-7) why'all can have my share of Mayorista. That place is a f at *ng access pool. I went Fri pm with Jim Dandy & Galan55 & another ISG guy. I wasn't drunk so I was very aware of my surroundings. There were so many groups of locals that were simply casing the crowd. Several times I noticed local guys eyeballing us (not simply people watching) & as soon as I made eye contact with them they quickly turned their heads. Not a nice place. Only saw 2 spinners worth hitting that none of us pulled. Probably never again!

Anyway, I'm one of the CR (6 years & 15 trips) converts several people on here were complaining about so hammer away if you must. I'll be back & there will still be plenty of chicas to go around.

A more detailed report is on the way.

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1903508]No, we offer more options and tours for the newbies here at ColombiaJakes!

Most definitely they use surrogates to tout their business no different than Donald Trump![/QUOTE]My first trip was this past weekend & every option or tour possible was gift wrapped & spoon fed to me all in one place. At the Mansion. And I didn't have to pay the owners $75 more to get it.

You bringing Trump into the mix now? You getting your feelings hurt cause you won't be getting a free cellphone if he wins? Why bring USA Politics into this board? Most guys are here because they are tired of all that BS. Post that Liberal BS somewhere else!

El Mechanico

Just got back from SJO where I really liked the availability, cost and relative safety of Uber. Fares where cheap and went right on my credit card. From the airport cost was about 1/3 of taxis. Even put a girl in an Uber to send her home which again was a significant savings on what she wanted for 'taxi'. I know they have something called Easy Taxi in MDE is Uber available there as well? I like not having to fumble for cash and that the app interface is in English. Would rock if you could use it for airport tranfer into town.

Yes Uber is available in Colombia. You have to be careful with airport use though because in Bogota I know there was a surcharge and I would have come out better in a regular taxi. Uber in Medellin works fine. I have used it several times.

Hi,

I have a question regarding Uber. I currently don't use Uber but I will need to use it in Medellin. I know when you register you have to put in a phone number which is usually the number from your country. If I signed up before hand and use a prepaid number will there be any issues when I switch to a Colombian carrier sim card and update my Uber phone in the profile so it shows a Colombian number. I've read there sight and did some google searches but couldn't get a clear answer. Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks.

I am so glad I made all those visits to Medellin over the past ten years before Medellin's rise in popularity. The World Travel Awards Latin America 2016 named Medellin the best city break destination. In 2013 it was named the most innovative city in the world in 2013 by the Urban Land Institute for its strides in politics, education and social development.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1903577]A few quick thoughts before I post a detailed TR.

Medellin is awesome. I will definitely be back. Stayed at the M2, never again. The hill sucks & I just had both knees scoped so it was quite a struggle going up. I'll be back but only if the M1 has space.

-1) The Mansion is awesome! I don't know how anyone could ever complain about this place. Robert & Boyd were as good a host as could be asked for. This was my first trip so it fit perfectly.

-2) The 7/4 Pool Party was an adventure in itself, I will be back next year. At the M1!

-3) I've heard people on here complaining about the price of the Mansion girls. Really? 150,000 COP= $52.81 or less if you use a Schwab card at the ATM as their rate is better. $52 to hook up with a model quality chica that wouldn't give you the time of day back here in the P#why Prison. Hard for me to believe anyone can complain about that!

-4) Some guys are willing to pay $75 to be set up with the GFE. Again. Really? You're going to pay somebody to have them tell a chica to treat this guy like he is your BF because he's paying me $75? You can get that 10 X over at The Mansion, hook up, spend time, bring them out for dinner, whatever and pay the chica the same amount without having to go thru a chica broker. And you can choose from several girls. I just don't get it!!
[/QUOTE]El Mechanico,

Essentially speaks for me regarding the Mansion. I love the ease of it, and while I never stayed at M2, it doesn't appeal to me. I like the ability to poke my head out at the pool at (say) 3 pm and see what chicks are around and available to pull up to my room. Or to wander upstairs for a bit if La Cueva is a bit slow in the evening. The only problem, though, is it seems you need to plan many months (4? 6?) in advance to get a room at M1 over a weekend. I wish you could see online what is available when, rather than having to email back and forth. Makes planning more cumbersome. Or am I missing an easier way to know what rooms are available?

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1903532]Thank you for the interesting and intelligent writing. Post on your own thread.[/QUOTE]No and since when do you have to be on the Harvard debate team to talk smack about banging chicks and blowing loads!

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1903603]My first trip was this past weekend & every option or tour possible was gift wrapped & spoon fed to me all in one place. At the Mansion. And I didn't have to pay the owners $75 more to get it.

You bringing Trump into the mix now? You getting your feelings hurt cause you won't be getting a free cellphone if he wins? Why bring USA Politics into this board? Most guys are here because they are tired of all that BS. Post that Liberal BS somewhere else!

El Mechanico[/QUOTE]I happen to like Trump, and I'm not bringing politics in to anything, just pointing out that surrogates are used here on this board, just like both campaigns do. Of course I'm not going away! The product is too good! Take a look at the Colombia Jake site! Fun trip to parapente today with a nice guy here for the first time taking dates every night.

[QUOTE=RedTibetan23;1903754]El Mechanico,

Essentially speaks for me regarding the Mansion. I love the ease of it, and while I never stayed at M2, it doesn't appeal to me. I like the ability to poke my head out at the pool at (say) 3 pm and see what chicks are around and available to pull up to my room. Or to wander upstairs for a bit if La Cueva is a bit slow in the evening. The only problem, though, is it seems you need to plan many months (4? 6?) in advance to get a room at M1 over a weekend. I wish you could see online what is available when, rather than having to email back and forth. Makes planning more cumbersome. Or am I missing an easier way to know what rooms are available?[/QUOTE]I've been to Medellin once and stayed at the Mansion and I too found it to great as you both said. To see what rooms are available and what dates, it's easier if you call them on their US # 1-312-546-4301, then use email back & forth to book. I'm making a return trip next week and staying at M1. I was at M2 my first trip & that hill kicked my ass, so I took taxis after a couple days.

First off, for the fanboys of this place I don't really care what you think. I am though going to share my experience. Picked a girl named Daniela that was cute to my eyes in the dim lighting. Problem is she had obvious mental health issues. First she starts getting aggressive at the fact that I brought my own condom, a first. Hostile in fact shaking her finger in my face. And I thought wrongly that maybe we could get past it. I mean they collect the cash first so you try to stay positive. Then she insists on no kissing anywhere on her body, boobs included. Of course any sort of BJ condom or otherwise was out of the question, but being the optimist I still held out hope for a conclusion. So we did the handjob and when I went to put on the condom for the main event she went ballistic insisting that I shower again to remove any lube residue first, that she herself had applied. At that point I just pulled up and went to the died haired manasan, explaining all in Spanish. She refused any partial refund even though this all occurred within 15 minutes of an hour session. So, put your nose between her butt cheeks, defend her all you wish but I will never again darken the doorway of this place. Your choice.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1903761]I happen to like Trump[/QUOTE]Well, you two have a lot in common. You're both total bullshit artists who wouldn't know the truth from a fuckin' [I]arepa[/I]; you both have yourselves drastically overrated; you're both annoying as hell. I'm sure there are other similarities, but those are just the most obvious ones.

Picked a blonde there Daniela who turned out a flaming nut case. Went ballistic when I laid out my own condom, a first insisting that we use her's. Paranoia anyone? Then refused any kissing on her body. Then (straw that broke camel's back) insisted that I shower a second time to remove any lube residue she left behind from her HJ prior to putting on a condom for sexo. She had already refused any sort of BJ. But the kicker is this, the died haired mamasan that is the lead sales person supported her in this nonsense and said that she could give a fuck about any bad reviews in gringo forums. So I recommend avoiding this business and focusing on the spots in el centro. Of course some fanboys of this place will disagree but I honestly could not give a fuck what you think. Their response to my legit complaint is enough to make me go elsewhere. The unscrupulous mamasan refused any partial refund or switch for a different girl even though all of the nonsense occurred within 15 minutes of an hour session.

I'll just add that if you happen to draw some freaked out germophope in el centro, and if the management is so low as to back a girl when she is clearly wrong, then you aren't out much cash. But at Energy that old broad has put her meets on about 50 US, not a mint I know but still a bit of change. And more than she deserves to have her hands on by dishonest means.

Sunday night was my final night in Medellin. Woke up from a nap after dinner, then did my late night Centro strip club rounds. Went to Conejitas first, stayed for a while but the picking was really slim. Hit Maracaibo next, not bad. Their chicks are mostly young spinner types. Chatted with one of them young spinners, later she called over her younger sister, who is also her co-worker. They look very alike. Told me she's 18, but looked younger. Older sis wanted me to get a session on-site (for 70000), I countered with 100000 for 3 hours back at my place. She agreed but still tried to upsell for a 3 some to include little sis! I said no and she volunteered "ok. Or you can just take my sister, I don't mind. " Wow what a loving sibling. I just stuck with her. Took her back after 2 am; packed my luggage in between having 2 pops, a little before 5 am it was time to take the bus to the airport.

On the second leg of my flights home, actually sat next to a guy I saw in the Medellin airport. Turned out he lives within an hour from me. Took us no time to get through with the pleasantries to start comparing notes. It was both our first time to Medellin and he did the exact opposite as I. Whereas I didn't go anywhere else except El Centro, he did not set foot outside of Poblado at all. He stayed at Hotel Charlee and room rate was $170 per night. He said the hotel gym is amazing because the well-to-do women who work out there are amazing. Somehow our conversation touched on the different racial groups of Medellin. He was incredulous when I told him around Centro and Prado, it would not be an exaggeration to say 1 out of 7 (working, shopping, living) is Afro-Colombian. He said the only people of African origin he's seen his whole trip, were guys like him from the US. I thought that was rather interesting.

Attached pic is big sis from Club Maracaibo.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1903761]I happen to like Trump[/QUOTE]With Trump as president it would be much more difficult for Colombians to enter the United States. Guys who hook up in Colombia will find it harder to bring their chicas back to the States.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1903984]With Trump as president it would be much more difficult for Colombians to enter the United States. Guys who hook up in Colombia will find it harder to bring their chicas back to the States.[/QUOTE]As far as I know her is only talking about illegal immigration. Are you saying guys have been able to bring chicas in illegally? Sign me up!

[QUOTE=Turgid;1903984]With Trump as president it would be much more difficult for Colombians to enter the United States. Guys who hook up in Colombia will find it harder to bring their chicas back to the States.[/QUOTE]Against ugly immigrants, but maybe for putas there is a wild card.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1903984]With Trump as president it would be much more difficult for Colombians to enter the United States. Guys who hook up in Colombia will find it harder to bring their chicas back to the States.[/QUOTE]I think you missed something here.

Trump would probably streamline the process for beautiful Colombian women to enter the Country.

He does like beautiful women regardless of his views on things.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1903984]With Trump as president it would be much more difficult for Colombians to enter the United States. Guys who hook up in Colombia will find it harder to bring their chicas back to the States.[/QUOTE]I don't believe that. Trump would be the only president smart enough to have a mail order bride that is looking enough to have posed nude. LOL!!

[QUOTE=RedTibetan23;1903754] am I missing an easier way to know what rooms are available?[/QUOTE]You are correct. I was checking out Monday noon, standing at the reception desk and asked about a room at M1 for July 2017 & although he told be what rooms were available, I still had to send an email while standing at the desk to make the reservation. Luckily he received the email within a minute or so, made the reservation & I paid the deposit right then & there. So I guess short of planning your next trip while you are down there, you have to do the e-mail dance!

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=Turgid;1903984]With Trump as president it would be much more difficult for Colombians to enter the United States. Guys who hook up in Colombia will find it harder to bring their chicas back to the States.[/QUOTE]This is bullshit. If anything it would be the feminazi Hilary confiscating passports from single males traveling to countries with lax prostitution laws in order to stop you from "exploiting women", LOL.

They'd have no problem throwing you on a "no fly" list and have you go broke trying to prove you don't belong on it in the first place.

After yesterday's event with Comey, don't try to tell me she wouldn't get away with it...

[QUOTE=Turgid;1903984]With Trump as president it would be much more difficult for Colombians to enter the United States. Guys who hook up in Colombia will find it harder to bring their chicas back to the States.[/QUOTE]The vast majority of these chicas it's a terrible idea to bring them back. Leave the fantasy there. Bringing them to the USA Or Canada almost always ends up in a mess.

Now if you're talking a reasonably educated NON-pro chica, that's a different thing.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1903838]Well, you two have a lot in common. You're both total bullshit artists who wouldn't know the truth from a fuckin' [I]arepa[/I]; you both have yourselves drastically overrated; you're both annoying as hell. I'm sure there are other similarities, but those are just the most obvious ones.[/QUOTE]Hahahah! The most obvious after all those other cool qualities is we both get a heck of a lot of Sex! 10% of the guys get 90% of the Sex! Over time I found several unique places that no gringos know about here, and doing tours for those who have a little more going on then the who's who of the daily casa lineups!

ColombiaJake.

[QUOTE=Combo;1904213]The vast majority of these chicas it's a terrible idea to bring them back. Leave the fantasy there. Bringing them to the USA Or Canada almost always ends up in a mess.

Now if you're talking a reasonably educated NON-pro chica, that's a different thing.[/QUOTE]Ya'll remember the old saying? You can take a horse to water. Etc?

Well my version of that is. You can take the chica out the barrio but you can't take the barrio out the chica!

You want to relax and stay in (because you're 40+ years old and work) and she wants to go to the EDM festival and eat molly (because she's 20+ and has a the mind of a child) you got to be into the same shit and pick the right girl. If you google Fail and mail order bride I'm sure a ton of blogs will pop up with horror stories. Myself I knew a guy who drove for UPS, 50+ hours a week, bringing home the bacon to his young and beautiful Brazilian wife and two sons. Happy life almost perfect right? Wait for it. The day she was eligible to leave him she did! Took the kids and served him with divorce papers.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1903999]Against ugly immigrants, but maybe for putas there is a wild card.[/QUOTE]Well, the US already has a visa that seems to cater to models!

[URL]http://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/why-fashion-models-are-twice-as-likely-to-get-h1b-visas-as-computer-programmers.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1904247]Hahahah! The most obvious after all those other cool qualities is we both get a heck of a lot of Sex! 10% of the guys get 90% of the Sex! Over time I found several unique places that no gringos know about here, and doing tours for those who have a little more going on then the who's who of the daily casa lineups!

ColombiaJake.[/QUOTE]You don't offer anything special or unique that another gringo can't find on their own in Medellin contrary to what you think.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1904209]This is bullshit. If anything it would be the feminazi Hilary confiscating passports from single males traveling to countries with lax prostitution laws in order to stop you from "exploiting women", LOL.

They'd have no problem throwing you on a "no fly" list and have you go broke trying to prove you don't belong on it in the first place.

After yesterday's event with Comey, don't try to tell me she wouldn't get away with it...[/QUOTE]Trump has made it clear that he is against immigration, especially by Latin Americans. However, I will try to follow up on your statement on Hillary and research where she said that she is going to prevent horny males from from banging horny hookers in non sex prison countries.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1904528]Trump has made it clear that he is against immigration, especially by Latin Americans. However, I will try to follow up on your statement on Hillary and research where she said that she is going to prevent horny males from from banging horny hookers in non sex prison countries.[/QUOTE]Trump isn't against immigration, as long as they immigrate legally, it's the illegal immigration and visa overstays that he wants to stop. He has married two hot, legal immigrants, so doesn't have a problem with foreigners, and has never said he doesn't like people from South America despite what your television tells you to think.

Are we really talking about politicians on this website. Lets keep it to the pursuit of happiness. AKA pasias!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1904504]You don't offer anything special or unique that another gringo can't find on their own in Medellin contrary to what you think.[/QUOTE]But he does offer something unique, security and peace of mind. It's not something the seasoned monger needs and it's not for the adventurous traveler, but there are plenty who feel they need that level of service.

The recently divorced workaholic who finally decides to live a little, the guy venturing out of his hometown for the first time, they have no idea where to go or what to do. If they try to go solo there's a good chance of a bad experience that will ruin the whole trip. But by paying a little more for a guide, they walk away with happy memories, and maybe after a few trips they're ready to fly solo.

Everywhere men go for cheap sex, there's someone like Jake. You should be happy he's there. He cuts down on the number of clueless noobs who just screw it up for everyone.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1904247] Over time I found several unique places that no gringos know about here, and doing tours for those who have a little more going on then the who's who of the daily casa lineups!

ColombiaJake.[/QUOTE]Personally. I can't stand casas. It is so few and far between for me to find something in one that I really like that I rarely bother going to one. Not to mention that sex experience in one is generally very poor compared to having the girl in your own place.

But it seems to me that you have cultivated relationships with some attractive women that I haven't seen anywhere else. From what I can see on your website. So I would consider that to be the biggest selling point to your services.

I occasionally have friends that travel to meet me in Medellin and if they see a girl on facebook that they like and I know her. I will contact her on behalf of my friend. Saves a lot of time and hassles for my friends just because girls are so much more likely to not flake and arrive on time for someone they know and like. Than just some unknown guy that wants to get with them.

Of course there are safety issues with guys that don't know what the hell they are doing and don't speak a lick of spanish having women they don't know from bean in their apartments. Which also is a good selling point.

Not that guys can't come down and do it themselves but I can see guys wanting to pay someone to make things a bit easier and make their stay just that much more productive.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1904553]Are we really talking about politicians on this website. Lets keep it to the pursuit of happiness. AKA pasias![/QUOTE]Agreed! Neither side is likely to convince the other side, so why the compulsion to insert a snide political remark on a travel / pussy site.

I ran into the same prick on two separate trips at the Mansion this past Winter. This guy insisted that others give in to his political views and wouldn't stop talking about it, whether out by the pool or in la Cueva. I'm not going to specify his views because it's irrelevant. I respect people regardless of their political views, unless they have no respect for others' views.

Note. Most guys at the Mansion are fun to hang with, but there's usually one or two pricks that you end up preferring to avoid.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1904676]But he does offer something unique, security and peace of mind. It's not something the seasoned monger needs and it's not for the adventurous traveler, but there are plenty who feel they need that level of service.

The recently divorced workaholic who finally decides to live a little, the guy venturing out of his hometown for the first time, they have no idea where to go or what to do. If they try to go solo there's a good chance of a bad experience that will ruin the whole trip. But by paying a little more for a guide, they walk away with happy memories, and maybe after a few trips they're ready to fly solo.

Everywhere men go for cheap sex, there's someone like Jake. You should be happy he's there. He cuts down on the number of clueless noobs who just screw it up for everyone.[/QUOTE]I think you missed my point, he should be advertising elsewhere.

Ditto. He should not post ad on this thread. Post on his thread.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1904709]I think you missed my point, he should be advertising elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1904709]I think you missed my point, he should be advertising elsewhere.[/QUOTE]I'm sure he is advertising elsewhere. Considering the current political debate on here, I'd rather see an advertisement than another Trump / Hillary is going to save / destroy the world post.

I've seen a few people who have apartments for rent advertising here with no complaints, why all the animosity for Jake? As long as it doesn't become an everyday thing, why worry?

Anyone with experience is going to scroll right past, we don't need someone to hold our hand. The ones that click over are mostly the people who are about to ask 20 stupid questions that have been answered dozens of times. Let them go bother him.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1904784]I'm sure he is advertising elsewhere. Considering the current political debate on here, I'd rather see an advertisement than another Trump / Hillary is going to save / destroy the world post.

I've seen a few people who have apartments for rent advertising here with no complaints, why all the animosity for Jake? As long as it doesn't become an everyday thing, why worry?

Anyone with experience is going to scroll right past, we don't need someone to hold our hand. The ones that click over are mostly the people who are about to ask 20 stupid questions that have been answered dozens of times. Let them go bother him.[/QUOTE]Not picking on you, but by your logic, what is the harm in a few political posts, why not just scroll by since some here find it interesting even as you do not? Why don't you understand that some find Jake's advertising with exclamation points at the end of every sentence and shameless self-promotion even more annoying than you find political posts related to hot latinas immigrating to the US? Not to mention he has his own thread for just this reason, and if anybody read it he wouldn't have to post here.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1904712]Ditto. He should not post ad on this thread. Post on his thread.[/QUOTE]He won't be posting for quite a while, he was arrested a few days ago for pimping [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1905469]He won't be posting for quite a while, he was arrested a few days ago for pimping[/QUOTE]Wow, "pimping" and "undR@ged girls" the last combination a gringo would want associated with him. Especially in a foreign country!

It's interesting that even without the undR@ged component that they probably would consider what he was doing to still be pimping. I warned him in a past post, as did others.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905493]Wow, "pimping" and "undR@ged girls" the last combination a gringo would want associated with him. Especially in a foreign country!

It's interesting that even without the undR@ged component that they probably would consider what he was doing to still be pimping. I warned him in a past post, as did others.[/QUOTE]

While I felt his advertising was at times over the top, he offered a good service to many on this board. Like a lot of people, his in person persona was much more reasoned and personable than his online persona.

While some of his adversaries may revel in his misfortune, any of us who participate in this hobby could find ourselves in hot water in a foreign and unfriendly jurisdiction despite our best efforts to comply with local laws. Yes he was warned on this board (and in person). As far as I saw, none of his girls where below legal limits. I hope he (and Eric) are ok.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905493]Wow, "pimping" and "undR@ged girls" the last combination a gringo would want associated with him. Especially in a foreign country!

It's interesting that even without the undR@ged component that they probably would consider what he was doing to still be pimping. I warned him in a past post, as did others.[/QUOTE]Pimping girls is illegal regardless of age in Colombia and what he was doing was pimping. He knew what he was doing was illegal but did it anyway. If you are going to visit or live in a foreign country obey the law or suffer the consequences.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1905503]While I felt his advertising was at times over the top, he offered a good service to many on this board. Like a lot of people, his in person persona was much more reasoned and personable than his online persona.

While some of his adversaries may revel in his misfortune, any of us who participate in this hobby could find ourselves in hot water in a foreign and unfriendly jurisdiction despite our best efforts to comply with local laws. Yes he was warned on this board (and in person). As far as I saw, none of his girls where below legal limits. I hope he (and Eric) are ok.[/QUOTE]Based on past events, it is wise to conclude that a gringo gets himself into a lot of trouble when he goes out of his way to help others procure women for sex. Examples are abound:

-David "Cuba Dave" Strecker (currently jailed in Costa Rica). Don't know why he got jailed in CR, but the DR kicked him out for overtly promoting sex tourism in Sosua via his YouTube videos and Facebook page

-David Joshua Brown of Lima, Peru Fame. Known around ISG as David_33.

-Noah Goldberg. Deceased. Known here as Medellin Paisa ("Medellin es una chimba!"). Although his death was related to owing money to loan sharks, he was also in the biz of procuring women for foreigners.

-Steve, owner of Liquid Lounge. Deceased. I have forgotten his ISG Handle here. He took his own life, but was also in the biz of procuring women for foreigners.

-The Doll House in Medellin. Gringos also. That pre-dates my visits to Medellin, but I've heard about it off and on in this forum. More info here:

[url]http://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/CMS-8245394[/url]

And now Colombian Jake has added his name to the Wall of "Pimpin Ain't Easy" Shame on ISG.

The pattern is clearly there. And as I mentioned before, the Mansion is smart in that they do not say "Hey, book a room here and we will introduce you to Katy, Angel, Christina, etc. " They just set up the opportunity. If you cannot close the deal on your own then you shouldn't be in possession of a passport to begin with.

The one (of many) things Barry (Poblado Rentals) did very well is to not get into the business of setting gringos up with chicas. It's probably one (of the many) reasons his rental business is booming in Medellin right now. He was looking into emulating the Mansion model at one point, but I think his business partner eventally convinced him that it would not be a good idea to pursue, so he killed the plan. Hasn't hurt him one bit.

What happened to him? Thanks.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1905544]What happened to him? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Busted for the same thing as Jake.

There's nothing in the news about him being busted that I've found. Does anybody have a link in English or Spanish?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905534]Based on past events, it is wise to conclude that a gringo gets himself into a lot of trouble when he goes out of his way to help others procure women for sex. Examples are abound:

-David "Cuba Dave" Strecker (currently jailed in Costa Rica). Don't know why he got jailed in CR, but the DR kicked him out for overtly promoting sex tourism in Sosua via his YouTube videos and Facebook page

-David Joshua Brown of Lima, Peru Fame. Known around ISG as David_33.

-Noah Goldberg. Deceased. Known here as Medellin Paisa ("Medellin es una chimba!"). Although his death was related to owing money to loan sharks, he was also in the biz of procuring women for foreigners.

-Steve, owner of Liquid Lounge. Deceased. I have forgotten his ISG Handle here. He took his own life, but was also in the biz of procuring women for foreigners.

-The Doll House in Medellin. Gringos also. That pre-dates my visits to Medellin, but I've heard about it off and on in this forum. More info here:

[url]http://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/CMS-8245394[/url]

And now Colombian Jake has added his name to the Wall of "Pimpin Ain't Easy" Shame on ISG.

The pattern is clearly there. And as I mentioned before, the Mansion is smart in that they do not say "Hey, book a room here and we will introduce you to Katy, Angel, Christina, etc. " They just set up the opportunity. If you cannot close the deal on your own then you shouldn't be in possession of a passport to begin with.

The one (of many) things Barry (Poblado Rentals) did very well is to not get into the business of setting gringos up with chicas. It's probably one (of the many) reasons his rental business is booming in Medellin right now. He was looking into emulating the Mansion model at one point, but I think his business partner eventally convinced him that it would not be a good idea to pursue, so he killed the plan. Hasn't hurt him one bit.[/QUOTE]Many on here would disagree with me but I just thought I should share my point of view. For me pursuing our hobby should be very private and I agree the public promotion of sex tourism is risky. No one on here knows me. Nobody who knows me know what I do. Just my modus operandi.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1905544]What happened to him? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Everything about his arrest starts on page 14 in the Lima forum, post #36599. Apparently that shit hit CNN!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905534]David "Cuba Dave" Strecker (currently jailed in Costa Rica). Don't know why he got jailed in CR, but the DR kicked him out for overtly promoting sex tourism in Sosua via his YouTube videos and Facebook page[/QUOTE]Dave traveled to Costa Rica in September 2015 for a mongering trip. Undercover Costa Rica police followed him around the city for over a week, taking pictures and videos of him going into and coming out of one mongering spot after another. When he went to the airport and tried to leave, police arrested him and confiscated his laptop, cell phone, and memory cards. He was thrown into the local shithole prison and slept on the concrete floor next to the urinal for months in an overcrowded cell. A couple of months ago, he was moved to a nicer prison where they keep the geriatric prisoners (Dave is 65, I think). Costa Rica has charged Dave with promoting prostitution through his Facebook page and main website. Absolutely nothing has been done in the courts to move Dave's case along, and this September will mark one year since he was imprisoned. Search on Google and you'll find the complete story about Dave.

As far as ColombiaJake is concerned, meh. To all of you mongers who used Jake's services in the past, you better hope he didn't keep your e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and financial transactions on file. Pimping [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls? Yeah, that's a serious charge, and Jake will sing like a songbird and sell anyone and everyone out to save his own ass. In life, shit always rolls downhill.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905585]Everything about his arrest starts on page 14 in the Lima forum, post #36599. Apparently that shit hit CNN![/QUOTE]There is no post 36599, there is however a link to a CNN video about the arrest on post #3660 in the Lima, Peru thread!

It seems to me that the authorities, most likely the US authorities, are simply busting pimps. Peru Dave, Cuba Dave, and now Colombian Jake. The charge of pimping minors is just thrown in to justify the arrest. There is no reason to think any of these guys utilized minors. It's the same argument authorities make against prostitution itself, they are against prostitution but they couch their arguments as arguments against "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]" and prostitution of minors. The powers that be refuse to recognize that women may choose to work in the sex field, they refuse to grant women this right.

If you say "fuck you" about a guy the authorities merely accuse of something, then you are a POS.

Colombian Jake said he was careful to work with women 18 and over, and there is no reason to doubt that.

This is a campaign against prostitution really, but at this point it is directed against pimps, as pimps are the most conspicuous.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1905753]Colombia Jake said he was careful to work with women 18 and over, and there is no reason to doubt that. [ / Q] You mean no reason other than the fact he was a complete bullshit artist?

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1905722]
As far as ColombiaJake is concerned, meh. To all of you mongers who used Jake's services in the past, you better hope he didn't keep your e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and financial transactions on file. Pimping [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls? Yeah, that's a serious charge, and Jake will sing like a songbird and sell anyone and everyone out to save his own ass. In life, shit always rolls downhill.[/QUOTE]Never thought about that! This has the potential to ensnare a lot of folks because it's very likely he kept all of the data you listed above.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1905503]I hope he (and Eric) are ok.[/QUOTE]

Who is this "Eric" guy you are referring to Charm City Dave?

I think we need to be careful about scaremongering. Guys who took up ColombiaJake for a tour of the centro have nothing to be concerned about. If the authorities want to nail Joe Monger, they don't need to go thru ColombiaJake to do it. I think this is all part of an effort by local authorities to clean up Poblados image. Didn't someone on the board mention a couple months ago a local authority had stated something was going to happen soon. I understand its only been several months since the policia started seriously policing Parque Lleras, now Colombia Jake, what's next?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905773]Never thought about that! This has the potential to ensnare a lot of folks because it's very likely he kept all of the data you listed above.

Who is this "Eric" guy you are referring to Charm City Dave?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905773]Never thought about that! This has the potential to ensnare a lot of folks because it's very likely he kept all of the data you listed above.[/QUOTE]Jake probably also had copies of the Passports of all that stayed at his establishment. For the US Citizens that stayed with him that have either have Global Entry, Sentri, or Nexus this could be problematic. It's possible they may get flagged or put on some type of "watch list" in the US system and when they come up for renewal face some tough questions if they get called in for an interview. Hypothetically this could occur, especially if Jake is found guilty of the charges regarding minors. This is all just speculation on my part.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1905546]Busted for the same thing as Jake.[/QUOTE]Manizales 911, how do you know Jake was busted? Any news LINK?

In these countries and elsewhere in Latin America, pimping is illegal while prostitution is not.

I believe Cuba Dave was arrested for promoting prostitution.

Colombia Jake was pimping. Those "dates" you paid for, the girls also paid for. The former "clients" of Colombia Jake just better hope that he doesn't rat them out. So much for peace of mind.

[QUOTE=Cheerfull;1905893]I think this is all part of an effort by local authorities to clean up Poblados image. Didn't someone on the board mention a couple months ago a local authority had stated something was going to happen soon.[/QUOTE]What's there to "clean up"? The everyday monger like much of us on this board does not walk around Poblado with a harem of chicas in tow. In fact, you'd never know what any of us were there for other than the perceived conception that all foreign single males coming to Medellin are sex tourist.

I don't know if you've ever been to Medellin or have stayed in El Poblado, but this is not a place like Sosua in the Dominican Republic where you have hookers and johns hanging out on the Pedro Clisante. The closest thing you'd see to something like that is El Centro.

My chicas arrive in taxi, and leave in a taxi. Most of the folks in Medellin are oblivious to what you are doing. They may have any idea of what you are there for, but that's about it.

There's nothing to "clean up". Except the pimps. This was more than likely a coordinated effort between the US Government and local authorities. If anything you are doing involves helping connect guys with chicas AND taking a cut of the transaction, you are probably being watched.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1905999]I believe Cuba Dave was arrested for promoting prostitution.

Colombia Jake was pimping. Those "dates" you paid for, the girls also paid for. The former "clients" of Colombia Jake just better hope that he doesn't rat them out. So much for peace of mind.[/QUOTE]Agreed, Cuba Dave was arrested with a law that wouldn't exist in the industrialized / civilized world. Jake's charge is legit in pretty much every country on the planet. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. If Jake didn't have a way to get something from you, he wouldn't tell you what time it was.

Colombia is a pretty tolerant country. All recreational drug use has been legalized, gambling and prostitution are legal. All they ask is that we don't have sex with or pimp out their children. That doesn't seem like an unreasonable request. Apparently Jake felt otherwise.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1905999]I believe Cuba Dave was arrested for promoting prostitution. Colombia Jake was pimping. Those "dates" you paid for, the girls also paid for. The former "clients" of Colombia Jake just better hope that he doesn't rat them out. So much for peace of mind.[/QUOTE]Apparently what Jake did was illegal. What his clients did was not. So rat them out for what? I was unaware of any business Jake did below the age of consent. Unless you had dealings with him in that area, I doubt you have anything to worry about.

To be put one a watch list for what, returning home with a smile on your face? Those secret service agents in Cartagena were not prosecuted and it was well proven they had hired hookers. They violated their terms of employment and were fired, but they violated no laws and as such where not prosecuted and I doubt they ended up on any 'watch lists'. They have enough trouble keeping those lists updated for Jihadis.

Yes, you could be accused of a crime you did not commit, it happens. Best defense against that (as has been said here) is to keep a low profile. But I would suggest if you worry a lot about that, perhaps you have way to low a risk tolerance to engage in this hobby.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1906119]Apparently what Jake did was illegal. What his clients did was not. So rat them out for what? I was unaware of any business Jake did below the age of consent. Unless you had dealings with him in that area, I doubt you have anything to worry about.
[/QUOTE]I think that was what BeersTerry was getting at. If you were doing business with Jake explicitly requesting chicas under the age of consent, then you have a lot to be worried about. The other guys staying above board have nothing to worry about.

Jake still has to deal with the "pimping" aspect of his biz though. You as a client most likely wouldn't have had any idea he was taking a cut of the transaction, and it doesn't make you guilty of anything using his services. Unless, you were specifically requesting minors.

What's going to be interesting is if Jake was setting mongers up with chicas that were not above the age of consent and they didn't do their part to verify her age themselves. Especially if she was one of the more popular girls in his stable that was getting a lot of request. I don't know if there is an "I didn't know she was below the age of consent" escape clause out there to help you out.

[QUOTE=Cheerfull;1905893]I think we need to be careful about scaremongering. Guys who took up ColombiaJake for a tour of the centro have nothing to be concerned about. If the authorities want to nail Joe Monger, they don't need to go thru ColombiaJake to do it. [/QUOTE]On the other hand, if I was to get busted for pimping those types, then the first question my lawyer would ask for in discovery is a list of the supposed chicks that I pimped out and a list of the supposed customers that I pimped them out to. If there were no customers then nobody was pimped. So you best believe that the prosecution would be looking for a list of customers. Are you on it?

No, the first thing he would ask for would be a copy of Colombia Jake's postings on his Colombia Jake section of this forum, secondly Colombia Jake's web site, his YouTube promotional video and finally his Facebook postings. They don't need no stinkin' customer list.

You guys talking about Jake's customers are off base. There is no evidence Jake had anything to do with minors, only 18+. His clients got nothing to worry about.

You guys are spineless.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1906175]No, the first thing he would ask for would be a copy of Colombia Jake's postings on his Colombia Jake section of this forum, secondly Colombia Jake's web site, and finally his Facebook postings. They don't need no stinkin' customer list.

You guys talking about Jake's customers are off base. There is no evidence Jake had anything to do with minors, only 18+. His clients got nothing to worry about.

You guys are spineless.[/QUOTE]If Jake is found guilty of dealing with minors in Colombia and they obtain copies of all of his clients Passports, there is a good chance that his activities, along with his clients will be reported to other Countries Colombia has relationships with. This doesn't mean that any of his clients did anything illegal, however in the case of US Citizens, those with expedited access into the US may get flagged in the system. If I was one of his clients and he is found guilty of dealing with minors, I would be worried.

The reality is that 5 years ago Colombia welcomed the gringo. A gringo can and is any white skinned man be it Australian, European, Israeli, US guy or from where ever basically. Today the perception HAS completely changed. Gringos only come to fuck the Colombians on sex tours and drug addicts on drug binges.

It's sad but true. The perception is in fact in the process of shifting from single gringos being welcomed to Colombia to stay away you sex and drug addicted gringos.

This is just the start and the tip, it will get worse. I have my ears to the ground and have been watching this is like seeing a train wreck in the process.

So if your traveling to Colombia, any city be it MDE or Bogota or Cali or CTG, and your traveling alone or with another man (not a family) it is assumed now that your on a sex and or drug tourist vacation. This is especially true if your over 40 years of age.

Stay low and stay clear of drama and don't promote sex and drug tourism like these others have done. Big egos gets these boys into serious trouble and have any of you seen the inside of the overcrowded filthy Colombian prisons. It takes 4 years plus just to get to trial if you can live that long.

TTM.

Can someone please advise me where I can find "Matt's map" or any other map that a friendly members taken the time to chart with casas. Thank you kindly, in advance!

I joined and can receive PM's.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1906191]The reality is that 5 years ago Colombia welcomed the gringo. A gringo can and is any white skinned man be it Australian, European, Israeli, US guy or from where ever basically. Today the perception HAS completely changed. Gringos only come to fuck the Colombians on sex tours and drug addicts on drug binges.

It's sad but true. The perception is in fact in the process of shifting from single gringos being welcomed to Colombia to stay away you sex and drug addicted gringos.

This is just the start and the tip, it will get worse. I have my ears to the ground and have been watching this is like seeing a train wreck in the process.

So if your traveling to Colombia, any city be it MDE or Bogota or Cali or CTG, and your traveling alone or with another man (not a family) it is assumed now that your on a sex and or drug tourist vacation. This is especially true if your over 40 years of age.

Stay low and stay clear of drama and don't promote sex and drug tourism like these others have done. Big egos gets these boys into serious trouble and have any of you seen the inside of the overcrowded filthy Colombian prisons. It takes 4 years plus just to get to trial if you can live that long.

TTM.[/QUOTE]This did not happen out of thin air. It was more like, "build it and they will come". Whoring is a way of life for a subset of Colombians. Colombia was exporting putas all over the world 15 years ago. It was only natural that the gringos would sniff out the source eventually.

As far as resentment, if you stay out of Poblado, Colombians will be warm and welcoming in the other barrios.

Your advice about staying below the radar is good. You make pretty wide generalizations that in my opinion are way over the top. Colombian cities are regional and global business centers. Many foreigners travel there on business. Many of the business travelers are of course over 40, male and traveling without their families and alone or with a colleague or two. On the other hand, I think just like me, Colombians don't have much trouble telling the difference between a guy on a business trip who might veer off to a red light district strip club or a casa from the stereotypical loud mouth sex tourist pawing women in public or crusty backpackers stoned out of their minds.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1906191]The reality is that 5 years ago Colombia welcomed the gringo. A gringo can and is any white skinned man be it Australian, European, Israeli, US guy or from where ever basically. Today the perception HAS completely changed. Gringos only come to fuck the Colombians on sex tours and drug addicts on drug binges.

It's sad but true. The perception is in fact in the process of shifting from single gringos being welcomed to Colombia to stay away you sex and drug addicted gringos.

This is just the start and the tip, it will get worse. I have my ears to the ground and have been watching this is like seeing a train wreck in the process.

So if your traveling to Colombia, any city be it MDE or Bogota or Cali or CTG, and your traveling alone or with another man (not a family) it is assumed now that your on a sex and or drug tourist vacation. This is especially true if your over 40 years of age.

Stay low and stay clear of drama and don't promote sex and drug tourism like these others have done. Big egos gets these boys into serious trouble and have any of you seen the inside of the overcrowded filthy Colombian prisons. It takes 4 years plus just to get to trial if you can live that long.

TTM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1906219]Your advice about staying below the radar is good. You make pretty wide generalizations that in my opinion are way over the top. Colombian cities are regional and global business centers. Many foreigners travel there on business. Many of the business travelers are of course over 40, male and traveling without their families and alone or with a colleague or two. On the other hand, I think just like me, Colombians don't have much trouble telling the difference between a guy on a business trip who might veer off to a red light district strip club or a casa from the stereotypical loud mouth sex tourist pawing women in public or crusty backpackers stoned out of their minds.[/QUOTE]And in the end, I don't think the average Colombian cares what you are there for. These people LOVE their city. I love it when we land there and the Pilot or Co-Pilot comes over the intercom and says (in a talk show host voice) "Bienvenidos a Medellin!" and everyone starts clapping. They know about the drugs and prostitution. They are all too happy that you have chosen to spend your dollars there and help out their economy.

It is the pimps and sexual predators of minors that they don't want coming there and giving the place a bad name. I have yet to see a news report that shines a bad light on stoners only coming to Medellin to get high. Hell, you can buy recreational marijuana right here in the USA In Colorado and Washington State. A handful of other States have medical marijuana and have decriminalized possession up to a certain amount.

As far as coke, it's definitely not taboo in Medellin. I don't partake, but I know chicas that have told me about their love for it. And it's very easy to come by. I've never seen a gringo make national news for going down to Colombia and snorting coke.

I've never received any dirty looks when I am down there. And I do a lot of walking around there and even take the bus. I get curious looks at most. But there is nothing about me that could tell you that I just finished banging 2 chicas before lunch.

You are doing it the right way.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906237]And in the end, I don't think the average Colombian cares what you are there for. These people LOVE their city. I love it when we land there and the Pilot or Co-Pilot comes over the intercom and says (in a talk show host voice) "Bienvenidos a Medellin!" and everyone starts clapping. They know about the drugs and prostitution. They are all too happy that you have chosen to spend your dollars there and help out their economy.

It is the pimps and sexual predators of minors that they don't want coming there and giving the place a bad name. I have yet to see a news report that shines a bad light on stoners only coming to Medellin to get high. Hell, you can buy recreational marijuana right here in the USA In Colorado and Washington State. A handful of other States have medical marijuana and have decriminalized possession up to a certain amount.

As far as coke, it's definitely not taboo in Medellin. I don't partake, but I know chicas that have told me about their love for it. And it's very easy to come by. I've never seen a gringo make national news for going down to Colombia and snorting coke.

I've never received any dirty looks when I am down there. And I do a lot of walking around there and even take the bus. I get curious looks at most. But there is nothing about me that could tell you that I just finished banging 2 chicas before lunch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1905469]He won't be posting for quite a while, he was arrested a few days ago for pimping girls.[/QUOTE]Lots of messages about ColombiaJake busted, comments, etc. But not a single link to the news. I searched El Tiempo, but nada de nada.

Is it true or just a joke? I wish to read what has been reported on the press, if it really happened. Anyone has a link? Thank you.

The only place where I have seen it is Jonesie's website. Sorry admin for mentioning this.

Reading through the comments regarding ColombiaJake's arrest, it's easy to differentiate between those who formulated their responses using reason and logic and those who are just members of the ColombiaJake Cheer leading Squad. And to you ColombiaJake supporters, I ask this: now that he's been arrested on a serious charge of pimping less-than-legal-age girls, how many of you are going to donate money to him for his legal defense? After all, bros before hoes, right?

Personally, I didn't care that Jake charged for his services. You're always going to have mongers who are too busy working 40 hours a week or more at their jobs or mongers who are just too lazy to do the proper planning for a mongering trip. For those people, Jake was a safe bet and a sure thing to have a good time in Medellin.

Where I did have a problem with Jake was when he would get on this thread and tell mongers, "If you don't buy my services and sleep where I tell you to sleep and fuck the girls that I'm offering, you're going to be sleeping on a bench in Parque Lleras with a hard dick the entire time you're down here. " Read my report here on ISG regarding my trip to Medellin in October / November 2015. I had never visited Medellin in the past, yet I showed you didn't need ColombiaJake or the Mansion to have a good time in Medellin.

And let's be honest with ourselves, shall we? It doesn't matter if you're pimping less-than-legal-age girls or running tours to coffee farms in the countryside. You're going to have phone numbers and text messages of clients in your cell phone. You're going to have e-mail addresses and e-mails from clients on your laptop. You're going to have financial records of what your clients paid for services rendered. And as Surfer500 pointed out, "Jake probably also had copies of the Passports of all that stayed at his establishment. " You better believe that Colombian authorities will be poring over all that information in order to build a case against Jake.

Do we know that the charge of pimping less-than-legal-age girls against Jake is legitimate? No, but do you think Colombian authorities just woke up one day and decided to arrest a Jake for the hell of it? In all likelihood, Jake was on the radar for quite a while and Colombian authorities built a case against him over time. Look what happened to Cuba Dave in Costa Rica. The OIJ followed him around for days and captured pictures and video of him going into and coming out of one mongering spot after another in San Jose. To you mongers who used Jake's services over the past several months, you might very well be in pictures or on video with one of Jake's less-than-legal-age chicas on your lap in Parque Lleras.

The bottom line, gentlemen, is that the ColombiaJake party is over. Even if he beats the charge or charges against him in the Colombian court system, there's no way Colombia will let him remain in the country. He'll be deported back to his country of origin after everything is said and done and settled.

[QUOTE=Debonair00;1906197]Can someone please advise me where I can find "Matt's map" or any other map that a friendly members taken the time to chart with casas. Thank you kindly, in advance!

I joined and can receive PM's.[/QUOTE]I have a link to that map bookmarked, but now I get a 404 error when I try to access it. I also did a Google search and the link in the search gives the same error. Maybe it's a temporary thing, or maybe it has been taken off line. I hope either Matt or World Traveler will chime in and give us an update.

I am in Medellin now, so that could be the reason I am getting that error. I have accessed it before while in Medellin, but I had a different internet connection.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1906305]I have a link to that map bookmarked, but now I get a 404 error when I try to access it. I also did a Google search and the link in the search gives the same error. Maybe it's a temporary thing, or maybe it has been taken off line. I hope either Matt or World Traveler will chime in and give us an update.

I am in Medellin now, so that could be the reason I am getting that error. I have accessed it before while in Medellin, but I had a different internet connection.[/QUOTE]Here's an old jpeg I made from a kmz file if that helps.

The thing that stands out with the Jake situation is the "he never did that" responses regarding the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] charges. The only person who knows the truth is Jake (plus anyone he might have provided the illegal services to).

Even living next door to someone, you only see what they let you see. They aren't going to tell you they're embezzling, or beating their wife or exposing themselves to school girls.

Did he? Maybe someone offered too much money, maybe some girl fooled him with a fake ID, maybe there's nothing to the charge. Either way it ends the debate about advertising.

I dunno' but Jake's good buddy and roommate "E" might be able to shed light on the matter. Should he wish to comment.

Thank you SavePros for clarifying what I meant, you hit the nail on the head.

Finally Jake's arrest hit the news, it has just been release at Vivir en El Poblado newspaper:

[URL]http://www.vivirenelpoblado.com/periodico/en-medellin-capturan-a-extranjero-vinculado-a-explotacion-sexual-de-menores[/URL]

Bait and switch every time! I have yet found and escort that had her real pictures! Also, usually a scam to make you pay money anyway, even if you try to turn around and walk away! This is how it works in both Medellin and Bogota.

They put pictures of models on the website and an attractive price. You talk to them on whatsapp and seemingly confirm everything. Everything they say is bullshit of course! You show up and a woman meets you and of course she is fat / old / unattractive. Yet when you try to walk away. The door is locked! Now she wants money for "viewing her naked" or hotel fee or whatever they make up. When you protest / refuse. Someone comes out of the adjacent room and with threat of violence makes you pay!

This happened to me twice already. How do you ask I was so stupid for this to happen to me twice? Well, the second time I talked to the girl on whatsapp to make sure if was her in the picture, it was a safe apartment in a nice neighborhood. ,she told me everything I wanted to hear and when I did show up -exactly the same thing happened.

I will never use mileroticos site for anything in the future. This whole experience made me regret I ever came to Colombia.

And the news is now out.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1906747]And the news is now out.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.vivirenelpoblado.com/periodico/en-medellin-capturan-a-extranjero-vinculado-a-explotacion-sexual-de-menores[/URL]

Here is the money quote:

En el desarrollo de la operación Jake, que se realizó la noche del pasado 7 de julio, las autoridades también capturaron a otro hombre y rescataron a una menor de 13 años, quien fue encontrada en el lugar siendo explotada sexualmente

They police aren't speculating they are CLAIMING they FOUND him with the minor who was 13 years old. If this is true Jake and whoever was with him deserves and should go to jail.

[QUOTE=Sexmetv;1906752][URL]http://www.vivirenelpoblado.com/periodico/en-medellin-capturan-a-extranjero-vinculado-a-explotacion-sexual-de-menores[/URL][/QUOTE]I guess Jackson has yet to see that. Because as soon as the shit about David went down, all his posts and his thread was instantly erased. Jake's is still up.

And here is the translated text, courtesy of Google Translate:

"In El Poblado they captured a foreigner linked to sexual exploitation of children".

"The National Police with the support of the Embassy of the United States dismantled a criminal organization dedicated to pimping and sexual exploitation of girls from 13 years."

"According to official information, the criminal organization was led by the US citizen Harry Jay Drivas, alias "Jake". The National Police said that this man used social networking and other information technologies to capture and induce minors to sexual activity and the consumption of hallucinogens."

"In the development of Jake operation, which last night was held on July 7, authorities also captured another man and rescued a 13-year-old who was found at the site being exploited sexually. The minor was made available Family Welfare, as the two men will face charges for crimes of prostitution, pimping minor, trafficking, manufacturing and possession of narcotics. ".

"The Ministry of Security of Medellin, said the man was arrested in the apartment 902 of a building located in the race 38, a few blocks from Provence and Lleras Park neighborhood, where the man was two months resident. The property consists of three bedrooms, two bathrooms, kitchen, dining room and balcony where foreigners had installed an inflatable jacuzzi. ".

"According to photographs visible on the website where sexual services were offered, this apartment was the place where came hundreds of women, including minors, for at least one year. According to information published on the same site, the apartment was rented from $75 plus company for 6 hours. The value could increase to $99 if the client wanted a "happy ending" by women. Similarly, the web was used to offer so-called "narcotours" by some of the extinct properties of Pablo Escobar and bars in the city."

"So far the national authorities, with the support of the American Embassy advance in the process of prosecution of these two men, who would be the first caught by this illegal activity that increasingly takes more boom in the city."

"Likewise, the authorities have serious indications that the head of these criminal organizations engaged in the sexual exploitation of minors foreign nationals are, because according to preliminary information, the murder of an Israeli citizen a couple of weeks in Medellin, would be linked to a network dedicated to sexual and drug trafficking attending the demand of visitors who came to the city in search of sex and drugs exploitation."

"It is expected that in the coming hours has a ruling by the civilian authorities and police of the city, to determine if the well also enter into a process of asset forfeiture."

Embassy of the United States? Prostitution? Pimping less-than-legal-age girls? Trafficking? Manufacturing and possession of narcotics? Ol' Jake is fucked!

Rumors are true. [URL]http://www.vivirenelpoblado.com/periodico/en-medellin-capturan-a-extranjero-vinculado-a-explotacion-sexual-de-menores[/URL].

Jake got touched. Jonesie may soon be rethinking his future in the city as well. Both are scum who exploit [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] women. Sickening.

Is this the Israeli homicide they mention?

[URL]http://www.estadodeisrael.com/2016/06/un-israeli-fue-asesinado-tiros-en.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sexmetv;1906752][URL]http://www.vivirenelpoblado.com/periodico/en-medellin-capturan-a-extranjero-vinculado-a-explotacion-sexual-de-menores[/URL]

Here is the money quote:

En el desarrollo de la operacin Jake, que se realiz la noche del pasado 7 de julio, las autoridades tambin capturaron a otro hombre y rescataron a una menor de 13 aos, quien fue encontrada en el lugar siendo explotada sexualmente

They police aren't speculating they are CLAIMING they FOUND him with the minor who was 13 years old. If this is true Jake and whoever was with him deserves and should go to jail.[/QUOTE]Wow. Just wow.

[i]"authorities also captured another man and rescued a 13 - year - old who was found at the site being exploited sexually. The minor was made ​​available Family Welfare, as the two men will face charges for crimes of prostitution, pimping minor, trafficking, manufacturing and possession of narcotics."[/i]

I guess that "other man" was his roommate you guys referred to as "Eric".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1906758]I guess Jackson has yet to see that. Because as soon as the shit about David went down, all his posts and his thread was instantly erased. Jake's is still up.[/QUOTE]According to the article the US Embassy was involved, not good for US Citizens who utilized his services. My bet is the US Embassy has already asked for the copies of Passports of all clients who are US Citizens.

For all members of this Forum who have stayed at Jakes, don't be surprised if you are sent to "secondary" for questioning upon entering the USA from overseas in the future, or put on some type of watch list.

Why the fuck would anybody bother manufacturing their own drugs in Colombia?

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1906772]Why the fuck would anybody bother manufacturing their own drugs in Colombia?[/QUOTE]Either they are throwing a bunch of bogus charges on top of the pimping charge just to see what all they can get to stick, or this Jake character is not the innocent angel most here have made him out to be, lmao!

I couldn't tell by "trafficking" if they were talking about women or drugs. Either way, thats a very damming charge.

Late to the news re Jake.

Always seemed to me this guy was playing Russian Roulette. Pimping is illegal in Colombia. Not only was he pimping, but he was doing it very openly. He was warned several times by other members on this site. Was he that desperate for money to risk so much?

Now we find out he was also doing minors. So he's not just reckless, but a creep [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord910][CodeWord910][/url] to boot (if the charges are true). He belongs somewhere where he can't harm others.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1906769]For all members of this Forum who have stayed at Jakes, don't be surprised if you are sent to "secondary" for questioning upon entering the USA from overseas in the future, or put on some type of watch list.[/QUOTE]Or denied entry into Colombia when they arrive at the airport in Medellin or Bogota or Cali or Barranquilla or Cartagena and try to pass through immigration. What are they going to do then? Call the American Civil Liberties Union and threaten to file a lawsuit? Good luck. That won't work on [B]Colombian soil[/B].

[QUOTE=OldParr;1906773]I made a post a few weeks ago that Jake responded to where I told him a couple of guys I know from a now past expat forum were out to get him in the manner this all came down, and now it is obvious that they succeeded.[/QUOTE]Which begs the question: Out to get him for what? Anybody who read Jake's posts here on ISG could tell he was an arrogant, conceited narcissist. He probably pissed off more than one client who traveled to Medellin to use his services. And now, Colombian authorities are about to chop his balls off. Karma.

Not sure if the following applies to Jake, but since pimping less-than-legal-age girls applies to his situation, I imagine so:

"Colombia: Article 219 of the Colombian criminal code prohibits, "organizing or facilitating sexual tourism and provides penalties of 3 to 8 years' imprisonment", but there were no reported prosecutions or convictions of child sex tourists. In recent years, Colombia has strengthened legislation related to control trafficking of children, particularly to follow the criminal code. However, a law is still pending approval by the Code for Children and Adolescents, which includes the rights and guarantees of children and adolescents victims of commercial sexual exploitation. ".

And also:

"Under the PROTECT Act of April 2003, it is a federal crime, prosecutable in the United States, for a USA Citizen or permanent resident alien, to engage in illicit sexual conduct in a foreign country with a person under the age of 18, whether or not the USA Citizen or lawful permanent resident alien intended to engage in such illicit sexual conduct prior to going abroad. For purposes of the PROTECT Act, illicit sexual conduct includes any commercial sex act in a foreign country with a person under the age of 18. The law defines a commercial sex act as any sex act, on account of which anything of value is given to or received by a person under the age of 18. Before congressional passage of the Protect Act of 2003, prosecutors had to prove that sex tourists went abroad with the intent of molesting childrensomething almost impossible to demonstrate. The Protect Act shifted the burden, making predators liable for the act itself. Penalties were doubled from 15 years in prison to 30. ".

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1906769]According to the article the US Embassy was involved, not good for US Citizens who utilized his services. My bet is the US Embassy has already asked for the copies of Passports of all clients who are US Citizens.

For all members of this Forum who have stayed at Jakes, don't be surprised if you are sent to "secondary" for questioning upon entering the USA from overseas in the future, or put on some type of watch list.[/QUOTE]I doubt guys on here are so foolish as to have given him their real names and copies of their passports.

This post a few days ago looks interesting now.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1904676]But he does offer something unique, security and peace of mind. It's not something the seasoned monger needs and it's not for the adventurous traveler, but there are plenty who feel they need that level of service.

The recently divorced workaholic who finally decides to live a little, the guy venturing out of his hometown for the first time, they have no idea where to go or what to do. If they try to go solo there's a good chance of a bad experience that will ruin the whole trip. But by paying a little more for a guide, they walk away with happy memories, and maybe after a few trips they're ready to fly solo.

Everywhere men go for cheap sex, there's someone like Jake. You should be happy he's there. He cuts down on the number of clueless noobs who just screw it up for everyone.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1906795]This post a few days ago looks interesting now.

.[/QUOTE]Is it really that interesting? In most mongering havens there is someone offering something along the line of the services Jake advertised. No matter where are who they always find a supply of customers. They come and go. Someone else will take over in a year or two, and they'll find plenty of customers too. At least until they get too greedy or forget that they have a target on their back.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1906792]I doubt guys on here are so foolish as to have given him their real names and copies of their passports.[/QUOTE]You would be surprised how foolish guys can become when they think with their "little heads". I don't know if Jake only dealt on a cash basis, but if he took charge cards he would of required some form ID. Perhaps some of the members on this board who stayed at his establishment or know of others who did can shed some light on this.

If you live in Colombia, you will never see Jake again. Nobody could see this coming, except the local police that stated publicly they were after this sort of operation just a couple of months ago, and anybody else with a brain.

Jake gave gringos a bad name. I never used his "services", but can't say I will miss him.

Jonesie may soon be rethinking his future in the city as well. Both are scum who exploit women. Sickening. ".

Regarding Jonesie, if one is to be inciteful, one should at least be accurate.

Tell us all what illegal activities Jonesie is up to?

How is he exploiting women?

The scum part is your personal opinion. which I can neither verify nor disprove

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1904676]Everywhere men go for cheap sex, there's someone like Jake. You should be happy he's there. He cuts down on the number of clueless noobs who just screw it up for everyone.[/QUOTE]If you're a "clueless noob," it's because you didn't do the proper research, I. E. , you didn't search and compare hotels on TripAdvisor or other travel websites and you didn't read any of the [B]nearly 1400 pages[/B] of comments in the Medellin thread here on ISG.

En El Poblado capturan a extranjero vinculado a explotaciand sexual de menores.

EDICIand WEB.

11 Julio 2016.

La Polica Nacional con el apoyo de la Embajada de LOS Estados Unidos desmantel una Organizaciand Criminal dedicada al proxenetismo why explotaciand sexual de nias desde LOS 13 aos.

Foto tomada del sitio administrado por el ciudadano extranjero.

Por Daniel Palacio Tamayo.

De acuerdo con informaciand oficial, la organizaciand criminal estaba liderada por el ciudadano estadounidense Jay Harry Drivas, alias "Jake". La Polica Nacional asegur que este hombre utilizaba las redes sociales why otras tecnologas de la informaciand para capturar menores de edad e inducirlas a actividades sexuales why al consumo de alucingenos.

En el desarrollo de la operaciand Jake, que se realiz la noche del pasado 7 de julio, las autoridades tambiand capturaron a otro hombre why rescataron a una menor de 13 aos, quien fue encontrada en el lugar siendo explotada sexualmente. La menor de edad fue puesta a disposiciand de Bienestar Familiar, mientras LOS dos hombres afrontarand cargos por LOS delitos de inducciand a la prostituciand, proxenetismo con menor de edad, trfico, fabricaciand why porte de estupefacientes.

La Secretara de Seguridad de Medelland, inform que el hombre fue detenido en el apartamento 902 de un edificio ubicado en la carrera 38, a unas pocas cuadras del barrio Provenza why el Parque Lleras, en la que el hombre llevaba dos meses de residente. El inmueble est compuesto por tres habitaciones, dos baos, cocina, sala comedor why balcand en el que LOS extranjeros tenan instalado un jacuzzi inflable.

De acuerdo a fotografas visibles en el sitio web donde se ofertaban LOS servicios sexuales, este apartamento era el lugar en el que llegaban cientos de mujeres, entre ellas menores de edad, desde hace por lo menos un ao. Segand la informaciand publicaba en el mismo sitio, el apartamento era alquilado desde 75 thelares ms compaa por 6 horas. El valor se poda incrementar hasta lo 99 thelares si el cliente deseaba un "happy ending" por parte de las mujeres. Igualmente, la web era utilizada para ofertar LOS llamados "narcotours" por algunas de las extintas propiedades de Pablo Escobar why bares de la ciudad.

Hasta el momento las autoridades nacionales, con el apoyo de la Embajada Americana avanzan en el proceso de judicializaciand de estos dos hombres, quienes seran LOS primeros capturados por esta actividad ilcita que cada vez toma ms auge en la ciudad.

Igualmente las autoridades tienen serios indicios de que al frente de estas organizaciones criminales dedicadas a la explotaciand sexual de menores de edad se encuentran ciudadanos extranjeros, pues segand informaciand preliminar, el homicidio de un ciudadano Israel hace un par de semanas en Medelland, estara vinculado con una red dedicada a la explotaciand sexual why de trfico de drogas que atenda la demanda de visitantes que llegaban a la ciudad en besqueda de sexo why drogas.

Se espera que en las prximas horas haya un pronunciamiento por parte de las autoridades civiles why de Polica de la ciudad, para determinar si el bien tambiand entrara en un proceso de extinciand de dominio.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1906803]Jonesie may soon be rethinking his future in the city as well. Both are scum who exploit women. Sickening. ".

Regarding Jonesie, if one is to be inciteful, one should at least be accurate.

Tell us all what illegal activities Jonesie is up to?

How is he exploiting women?

The scum part is your personal opinion. which I can neither verify nor disprove[/QUOTE]

Voyager, that's the article about Jake. Jonesie is a different guy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1906800]Is it really that interesting? In most mongering havens there is someone offering something along the line of the services Jake advertised. No matter where are who they always find a supply of customers. They come and go. Someone else will take over in a year or two, and they'll find plenty of customers too. At least until they get too greedy or forget that they have a target on their back.[/QUOTE]Yes the newbie needs help from time to time. Jake was out and out promoting his pimping services. If you had read any of this forum, you would have read over and over that while prostitution is legal, pimping is not.

Like Cuba Dave, Jake was waving a big red flag around. Why would one want to be anywhere near a guy waving a big red flag around ?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906768]Wow. Just wow.

[i]"authorities also captured another man and rescued a 13 - year - old who was found at the site being exploited sexually. The minor was made ​​available Family Welfare, as the two men will face charges for crimes of prostitution, pimping minor, trafficking, manufacturing and possession of narcotics."[/i]

I guess that "other man" was his roommate you guys referred to as "Eric".[/QUOTE]


I dunno but friends told me that were just recently talking to Eric. If he was that guy, he must have been released

His Medellin web page is still up and running! If read it's flat out pimping!

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1906811]Yes the newbie needs help from time to time. Jake was out and out promoting his pimping services. If you had read any of this forum, you would have read over and over that while prostitution is legal, pimping is not.

Like Cuba Dave, Jake was waving a big red flag around. Why would one want to be anywhere near a guy waving a big red flag around ?[/QUOTE]I've read some of the forum and am aware that pimping is illegal, but that doesn't really change anything. You don't think he was the only guy in Medellin pimping do you? The people who were his customers don't know or care.

It's simple, there's a market, someone will always come along to exploit it. Most newbies have at least some clue. They may make a few mistakes, but they muddle through and learn. There are others who either can't or won't learn. They either end up with someone like Jake or they end up becoming either a nuisance or a headline.

If they end up swept up with Jake, it's no loss.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1906813]I dunno but friends told me that were just recently talking to Eric. If he was that guy, he must have been released[/QUOTE]The guy is a Colombian national. Draw your own conclusions.

[QUOTE=Start123;1906724]Bait and switch every time! I have yet found and escort that had her real pictures! Also, usually a scam to make you pay money anyway, even if you try to turn around and walk away! This is how it works in both Medellin and Bogota.

They put pictures of models on the website and an attractive price. You talk to them on whatsapp and seemingly confirm everything. Everything they say is bullshit of course! You show up and a woman meets you and of course she is fat / old / unattractive. Yet when you try to walk away. The door is locked! Now she wants money for "viewing her naked" or hotel fee or whatever they make up. When you protest / refuse. Someone comes out of the adjacent room and with threat of violence makes you pay!

This happened to me twice already. How do you ask I was so stupid for this to happen to me twice? Well, the second time I talked to the girl on whatsapp to make sure if was her in the picture, it was a safe apartment in a nice neighborhood. ,she told me everything I wanted to hear and when I did show up -exactly the same thing happened.

I will never use mileroticos site for anything in the future. This whole experience made me regret I ever came to Colombia.[/QUOTE]If you are in Bogota why not just use [URL]solitasparati.com[/URL]? The girls that show up are exactly the same girls pictures online, and why go to the escorts place? Have her come to your hotel!

Mileroticos, craigslist, all that is a crap shoot. If you are looking for an escort why not go with a professional agency?

Sorry. I reposted old news without the translation.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1906809]Voyager, that's the article about Jake. Jonesie is a different guy.[/QUOTE]

In English.

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/medellin-begins-cracking-sex-tourism/[/URL]

Several nice pretty honest girls I met in CTG, who I even befriended, had ads on Mileseroticos. I would say most of the girls at Reloy have their ad there.

Impossible to recognize them from the photos, really common. Even more, from the ad I could not guess that behind there was such a good girl.

So, the bottom line could be: don't go with girls who post photos that are too good.

[QUOTE=Start123;1906724]Bait and switch every time! I have yet found and escort that had her real pictures! Also, usually a scam to make you pay money anyway, even if you try to turn around and walk away! This is how it works in both Medellin and Bogota.

They put pictures of models on the website and an attractive price. You talk to them on whatsapp and seemingly confirm everything. Everything they say is bullshit of course! You show up and a woman meets you and of course she is fat / old / unattractive. Yet when you try to walk away. The door is locked! Now she wants money for "viewing her naked" or hotel fee or whatever they make up. When you protest / refuse. Someone comes out of the adjacent room and with threat of violence makes you pay!

This happened to me twice already. How do you ask I was so stupid for this to happen to me twice? Well, the second time I talked to the girl on whatsapp to make sure if was her in the picture, it was a safe apartment in a nice neighborhood. ,she told me everything I wanted to hear and when I did show up -exactly the same thing happened.

I will never use mileroticos site for anything in the future. This whole experience made me regret I ever came to Colombia.[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/valle/medellin/capturan-gringo-vinculado-con-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL]

$33 million in cash - that's about $11k US right?

WTF! Jake's shit keep spreading like wildfire. Thanks to Jake this year is going to be difficult for the single gringo traveler to stay under the radar or keep a low profile when entering, leaving the airport, or just being in Medellin. The other new channels started to pick up Jake's news and for the good politicians blaming the gringos for Medellin problems, the corruption, drugs, and prostitution, this is going to come easy. Here is another article:

[URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/medellin/capturan-gringo-vinculado-con-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL]

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1907012]In English.

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/medellin-begins-cracking-sex-tourism/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1906801]You would be surprised how foolish guys can become when they think with their "little heads". I don't know if Jake only dealt on a cash basis, but if he took charge cards he would of required some form ID. Perhaps some of the members on this board who stayed at his establishment or know of others who did can shed some light on this.[/QUOTE]He asked for Paypal!

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1907039][URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/valle/medellin/capturan-gringo-vinculado-con-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL]

$33 million in cash - that's about $11k US right?[/QUOTE]Translated with Google Translate:

"Gringo capture linked to pimping minors in Medellin".

"'Jake' allegedly offered exclusively to foreign tourism plans through a web page, in addition to horseback tourist sites. "

"A few blocks from Lleras Park neighborhood El Poblado of Medellin, the National Police managed to capture an American citizen named Jay Harry Drivas, alias 'Jake', and national Jaime Respect, promote investigation for apparently sex tourism in the paisa capital.

In the process of capturing, on the ninth floor of an apartment building, authorities found a minor of age 13.

Harry Jay Drivas, officials said, leading a criminal organization that develops activities of pimping women, adolescents and children.

'Jake' offered exclusively to foreign tourism plans through a web page, in addition to horseback city tourist sites, including places where the drug lord Pablo Escobar lived.

On its website reads: "I'm here to help ensure you have the best vacation of your life. "

At the time of the raid the police found 33 million pesos in cash, four cell, three hard drives, plus cards sim card.

They were also found in ecstasy, cocaine, among other drugs.

By using his apartment, including jacuzzi, alias 'Jake' he charged $ 75 a day for sexual activities with women between 90 and 100 dollars.

This operation was conducted by the Criminal Investigation Unit of Child and Adolescent Directorate of Protection and Special Services, with help from US authorities.

By the time the authorities of Colombia and the United States advanced in the process of prosecution of these two men and investigate if more people within the band. "

And at the current exchange rate of $1 US = 2934 COP, 33 million COP cash would equal $11,028 US, which, now, doesn't belong to Jake anymore. It belongs to the Government of Colombia.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1907039][URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/valle/medellin/capturan-gringo-vinculado-con-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL]

$33 million in cash - that's about $11k US right?[/QUOTE]They are calling it a criminal organization, so anybody with any ties to him (clients?) are presumed guilty by association. That's just how it works. I'd keep my ass out of Colombia for a while.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1906836]His Medellin web page is still up and running![/QUOTE]Of course it's still up and running. The majority of Jake's former and potential new clients likely haven't heard of Jake's arrest. They're going to be texting, e-mailing, and calling Jake looking to make arrangements for Medellin. And Colombian authorities will be on the other end recording and monitoring all of the incoming texts, e-mails, and telephone calls to see who else they can snare.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1907087] Translated with Google Translate:

'Jake' allegedly offered exclusively to foreign tourism plans through a web page, in addition to horseback tourist sites." ... 'Jake' offered exclusively to foreign tourism plans through a web page, in addition to horseback city tourist sites, including places where the drug lord Pablo Escobar lived."[/QUOTE]Google Translate sucks. The "horseback' should be "gentlemen's" as in [I]caballeros[/I].

Hi guys,

I was considering looking for a roommate, possibly long term. But with this colombianjake deal I'm not sure anymore. Are they targeting gringos now? Or was this just a one time thing against a Colombian national pimping out girls? I haven't been to Medellin in a couple of yours, looking forward to it.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1907089]They are calling it a criminal organization, so anybody with any ties to him (clients?) are presumed guilty by association. That's just how it works. I'd keep my ass out of Colombia for a while.[/QUOTE]So what your implying is that anyone who was a client of Jake's of which the Colombian government obtained copies of their Passport's might be flagged in the Colombian system and detained and / or questioned upon entering Colombia?

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1907047]WTF! Jake's shit keep spreading like wildfire. Thanks to Jake this year is going to be difficult for the single gringo traveler to stay under the radar or keep a low profile when entering, leaving the airport, or just being in Medellin. The other new channels started to pick up Jake's news and for the good politicians blaming the gringos for Medellin problems, the corruption, drugs, and prostitution, this is going to come easy. [/QUOTE]I just booked my flights to Mde next week. I was going to stay at the mansion for a few days then du Parc but now debating on no mansion at all.

33 million pesos in cash? What! The Medellin police is probably having a party with Jake's hookers invited. That's what I call stimulating the Colombian economy!

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1907087]Harry Jay Drivas, officials said, leading a criminal organization that develops activities of pimping women, adolescents and

On its website reads: "I'm here to help ensure you have the best vacation of your life. "

At the time of the raid the police found 33 million pesos in cash, four cell, three hard drives, plus cards sim card.

And at the current exchange rate of $1 US = 2934 COP, 33 million COP cash would equal $11,028 US, which, now, doesn't belong to Jake anymore. It belongs to the Government of Colombia.[/QUOTE]

Hope this shit blows over. From reports CubaDave's arrest in Costa Rica didn't seem to affect activities in San Jose.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1907238]So what your implying is that anyone who was a client of Jake's of which the Colombian government obtained copies of their Passport's might be flagged in the Colombian system and detained and / or questioned upon entering Colombia?[/QUOTE]That's right. I'm sure he's singing like a canary and has already given them the names of those who requested minors. But they must have the full client list and may not be satisfied, and may want to question them themselves. I think there's a chance that they could be detained / questioned. I don't think they would be arrested unless there's proof of wrongdoing (like emails requesting illegal activities).

I'm going to MDE on Thursday, but I have never had any contact with that guy so I don't expect to have any issues.

The bottom line is simply don't be trying to make a living off those women. Peru David, Cuba Dave, Colombia Jake, all felt the need to make some $$ off the local ladies. Bad idea!

The allegations re minors I don't even believe. For example, if Colombia Jake had a 13 year old in his apt, why would his roommate Eric be walking around as I write? The authorities make these allegations to cover up the fact that they are simply arresting a pimp. Pimping is wrong, but they can't be satisfied with a simple justification.

The moral of the story is, don't retire unless you have the money.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1907087]And at the current exchange rate of $1 US = 2934 COP, 33 million COP cash would equal $11,028 US, which, now, doesn't belong to Jake anymore. It belongs to the Government of Colombia.[/QUOTE]So that's money he won't be able to use to hire the lawyer to which he is [B]not[/B] entitled, or to post bail, to which he is also [B]not[/B] entitled. But I'm sure the jury he's [B]not[/B] entitled to will be fair, and the right to confront his accusers that he does [B]not[/B] have will prove his innocence, which is [B]not[/B] legally presumed. In any event, he is [B]not[/B] entitled to a speedy trial.

I'm thinking the Napoleonic Code will come as a bit of a shock to him.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1907313]The bottom line is simply don't be trying to make a living off those women. Peru David, Cuba Dave, Colombia Jake, all felt the need to make some $$ off the local ladies. Bad idea!

The allegations re minors I don't even believe. For example, if Colombia Jake had a 13 year old in his apt, why would his roommate Eric be walking around as I write? The authorities make these allegations to cover up the fact that they are simply arresting a pimp. Pimping is wrong, but they can't be satisfied with a simple justification.

The moral of the story is, don't retire unless you have the money.[/QUOTE]I'm somewhat inclined to believe in this possibility as well Chesscat. They already have him on the pimping charge; they could be making up the minors and drug manufacturing stuff to make it sound much more serious. I highly doubt they are going to go trying to track down all the chicas he employed. Just say that he was pimping minors and dealing in drugs and lay the burden on him to prove otherwise (which is futile). I mean, who's going to believe the word of a gringo foreigner pimp?

Either way, this was meant to scare the shit out of any future would-be flesh entrepreneurs trying to set up something similar in Medellin. They've already got you on the pimping charge; any and everything else they throw in as well is just icing on the top. And even if you are not guilty of the extra charges, your name is besmirched and your life is ruined forever.

Nice observation Dickhead!

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1907314]So that's money he won't be able to use to hire the lawyer to which he is [B]not[/B] entitled, or to post bail, to which he is also [B]not[/B] entitled. But I'm sure the jury he's [B]not[/B] entitled to will be fair, and the right to confront his accusers that he does [B]not[/B] have will prove his innocence, which is [B]not[/B] legally presumed. In any event, he is [B]not[/B] entitled to a speedy trial.

I'm thinking the Napoleonic Code will come as a bit of a shock to him.[/QUOTE]

Mansion is cool. I don't know what Du Parc is. I recommend [URL]http://www.hotelparque70.com/[/URL] . It is the bomb!

[QUOTE=Shanamat;1907259]I just booked my flights to Mde next week. I was going to stay at the mansion for a few days then du Parc but now debating on no mansion at all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1907321]I'm somewhat inclined to believe in this possibility as well Chesscat. They already have him on the pimping charge; they could be making up the minors and drug manufacturing stuff to make it sound much more serious. I highly doubt they are going to go trying to track down all the chicas he employed. Just say that he was pimping minors and dealing in drugs and lay the burden on him to prove otherwise (which is futile). I mean, who's going to believe the word of a gringo foreigner pimp?

Either way, this was meant to scare the shit out of any future would-be flesh entrepreneurs trying to set up something similar in Medellin. They've already got you on the pimping charge; any and everything else they throw in as well is just icing on the top. And even if you are not guilty of the extra charges, your name is besmirched and your life is ruined forever.[/QUOTE]My opinion is there is something to the minors charge. The US isn't going to get involved helping bring down a small time pimp in Colombia. They will get involved if minors are involved, they've already done so several times.

Several times? In my opinion, the charges against Peru David were exaggerated, that is fabricated with respect to minors, and re Cuba Dave, there were never any such charges. So what are you saying?

Where is any proof against anybody? I think the US makes baseless accusations, and encourages the local governments, Peruvian, CR or Colombian, to make similar baseless accusations. Re the charges in Colombia, I will bet anyone a dinner at Dejame que te cuente, en la 70, that these accusations re a minor are not borne out by October / November, when I am going down again.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1907327]My opinion is there is something to the minors charge. The US isn't going to get involved helping bring down a small time pimp in Colombia. They will get involved if minors are involved, they've already done so several times.[/QUOTE]

My prediction is Jake will be doing his time in a US prison. First, the US was involved in his arrest, and second, Colombia has no problem forking over lawbreakers to the US. Several local men who never stepped foot in the US have been extradited there to do time, even as all their activities were in Medellin. Colombia is just going to kick him out forever anyway, and they have faith the US will come down plenty hard on him, so why hassle or pay for him? He's just a liability to Colombia if they have to watch him.

Jake will wish he was in a Colombian prison, where it would be rougher living but he would get out much sooner than what he is going to get in the US. Once he's out and on probation looking for a shit job that accepts guys who have to inform their boss they are a convicted sexual predator, or whatever they call it, he can look forward to paying all that back child support he skipped out on when he moved to Medellin.

For Jake, it doesn't matter one little bit if people believe the charge or not, they are what they are, and they are very serious. No use in trying to defend him when you weren't there and can't know what transpired. He was asking for trouble and he found it, regardless of every little detail that you can't possibly know.

In general, Colombians are very patient but Jake shoved it in everybody's faces. Colombian law enforcement even warned a couple months ago this was coming, and described Jakes bullshit to a tee when they stated what they were going after. What is the big surprise?

You are right James Dandy. There is no point in trying to defend him. Nevertheless, as far are minors, I doubt it. This is just a charge they throw in, until the public has lost interest.

The bottom line though, is don't fight The Man. Don't even attract his attention. The Man being Uncle Sam.

My last trip down was quite fun, I don't have to worry about The Man. I wanders around El Centro, wanders around La 70, and Energy, and who cares?

So the Man can do what he wanna do.

"What we have here is a failure to communicate!"

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1907334]My prediction is Jake will be doing his time in a US prison. First, the US was involved in his arrest, and second, Colombia has no problem forking over lawbreakers to the US. Several local men who never stepped foot in the US have been extradited there to do time, even as all their activities were in Medellin. Colombia is just going to kick him out forever anyway, and they have faith the US will come down plenty hard on him, so why hassle or pay for him? He's just a liability to Colombia if they have to watch him.

Jake will wish he was in a Colombian prison, where it would be rougher living but he would get out much sooner than what he is going to get in the US. Once he's out and on probation looking for a shit job that accepts guys who have to inform their boss they are a convicted sexual predator, or whatever they call it, he can look forward to paying all that back child support he skipped out on when he moved to Medellin.

For Jake, it doesn't matter one little bit if people believe the charge or not, they are what they are, and they are very serious. No use in trying to defend him when you weren't there and can't know what transpired. He was asking for trouble and he found it, regardless of every little detail that you can't possibly know.

In general, Colombians are very patient but Jake shoved it in everybody's faces. Colombian law enforcement even warned a couple months ago this was coming, and described Jakes bullshit to a tee when they stated what they were going after. What is the big surprise?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1907326]Mansion is cool. I don't know what Du Parc is. I recommend [URL]http://www.hotelparque70.com/[/URL] . It is the bomb![/QUOTE]This is Du Parc: [URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=hotel[/URL]+du+parc&rlz=1 C1 AFAB_enUS570 US575&oq=hotel+du+parc&aqs=chrome. 69 i57 j69 i64.2687 j0 j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=hotel+du+parc+medellin.

It seems pretty nice and someone said it was Chica friendly. I can't find anything on Parque 70, there website is empty and nothing on google search. The reason I'm kinda spooked about Mansion is the charges everyone is talking about. I've never been to MDE or met Jake, but from my experience in SJ / Jaco and in Asia these hotels where girls hang out could be seen as pimping in someones eye.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1907330]Several times? In my opinion, the charges against Peru David were exaggerated, that is fabricated with respect to minors, and re Cuba Dave, there were never any such charges. So what are you saying?

Where is any proof against anybody? I think the US makes baseless accusations, and encourages the local governments, Peruvian, CR or Colombian, to make similar baseless accusations. Re the charges in Colombia, I will bet anyone a dinner at Dejame que te cuente, en la 70, that these accusations re a minor are not borne out by October / November, when I am going down again.[/QUOTE]It started in 2004. There were three rather high profile cases, one from Russia, 2 from Cambodia. Since then there have been cases in several countries including the Philippines, Thailand, Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic. The US helped bust a sex trafficking ring, involving minors, in the DR last spring.

The problem is that the Poblado / Parque Lleras scene is concentrated in a small area that's supposed to be a high-income neighborhood, instead of an industrial no-man's-land at night like the San Diego strips. So it becomes high-profile, which is a problem for mongers and the guys that cater to them. It's clear now Poblado is only big enough for the Casa Blanca (aka Mansion), nothing much beyond that will be tolerated and the Mansion has had to tone down its scene over the years in case you haven't been paying attention.

Gringos naturally feel like a fish out of water in areas that don't look like a first-world country and apartments that don't have first-world amenities. They're on vacation so they feel that everything should be top-of-the-line including the whole environment that surrounds them. Thus the Poblado scene evolved into what it is today. But a monger trip doesn't really work that way, sometimes it's better to be low-profile and even slum it a bit.

It's gotten so bad some guys were pointing out a year ago already that the Mayorista scene was going down because the chicas were going up to Poblado for the bigger payday, instead of servicing local mongers and truckers at the Mayo.

I can guarantee you that seeing Mayo chicas prowling the Lleras park did not go well with the locals, LOL!

If this Jake guy didn't have all those tacky web sites and ran his apartment near Mayorista for instance, or some other lower-tier neighborhood, I bet he would still be around, but some guys personality-wise can't accept staying under the radar. I noticed this bizarre narcissistic (sociopaths even?) need to show the world what a great lifestyle he was leading, including even some half-contrived homage from a friend / client who supposedly left a voice mail message about what a genius he is for the way he's living large down in MDE, which of course comes off sounding like a somewhat lame sales pitch. See for yourselves, his sites are still up and his vids and pics are still there.

It's ironic to hear his "friend's" spiel now, considering what happened. A few years of "paradise" will now be paid for by decades in prison, yikes.

But I was a bit jealous, I must confess, of those two hot sisters in his pics. One of them I believe was his GF (supposedly). Now, I kind of feel bad for them as their pics are being showcased on these news sites as they are the hottest looking girls Jake features on his various pages; so naturally the media just took those, one news site didn't even bother to blur the faces!

[URL]http://www.minuto30.com/capturado-estadounidense-que-lideraba-red-de-turismo-sexual-en-medellin/496972/[/URL]

If they really did find a 13 yr old girl in his apartment, he is going to have a tough time explaining that one. If true, he is a bigger scumbag than many already imagined.

This is not directed at any individual member, so please don't anyone take offense. I think the matter of Jake has been fully covered here by now. It's probably best to move on. After all, he is not the first and he probably won't be the last to get himself in trouble by breaking pimping laws.

Loading this site up with daily references to him at his alleged crimes only creates a Google searchable audit trail that I doubt anyone here wants. This is only my opinion but please everyone think about it.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1907535][URL]http://www.minuto30.com/capturado-estadounidense-que-lideraba-red-de-turismo-sexual-en-medellin/496972/[/URL]

If they really did find a 13 yr old girl in his apartment, he is going to have a tough time explaining that one. If true, he is a bigger scumbag than many already imagined.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1907428]It started in 2004. There were three rather high profile cases, one from Russia, 2 from Cambodia. Since then there have been cases in several countries including the Philippines, Thailand, Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic. The US helped bust a sex trafficking ring, involving minors, in the DR last spring.[/QUOTE]There was also the French guy from Medellin who ran "Girlfriend for a week". He was arrested in Miami and convicted of supplying minors.

By the way, what happened to Frank Casio?
I hope he's ok.
I did not like his style of writing with many "!!", but I appreciated his enthusiasm. It reminds me something.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1907566]This is not directed at any individual member, so please don't anyone take offense. I think the matter of Jake has been fully covered here by now. It's probably best to move on. After all, he is not the first and he probably won't be the last to get himself in trouble by breaking pimping laws.

Loading this site up with daily references to him at his alleged crimes only creates a Google searchable audit trail that I doubt anyone here wants. This is only my opinion but please everyone think about it.[/QUOTE]LOL, you really think you're secretly on the internet? You can thank Jake if you have any worries, not the people that post about him and denounce him! If you weren't doing anything like Jake, you shouldn't worry about it, and no, not everything on the topic has been covered as new details continue to come out now and will in the future.

Your post is a strange one, indeed. Why are you worried about a "searchable audit trail" on Jake's crimes, you might want to call Caracoltv too bc his bust was on the tv news today as well. When it hits the US news, you can call CNN and tell them to quit talking about it because you don't want to draw attention to yourself, and see how that works out!

For example, authorities were apparently observing Jake for a year before busting him. That was new information and interesting enough to share. Stay tuned, I am sure there are more revelations to come.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1907637]By the way, what happened to Frank Casio?
I hope he's ok.
I did not like his style of writing with many "!!", but I appreciated his enthusiasm. It reminds me something.[/QUOTE]Frank Casio lives near me and I haven't heard from him in awhile so I just now called. Someone else answered the phone and didn't know him, so maybe he has a new phone. Hopefully he is okay because I thought he was a cool guy.

First of all, I have met the guy out in town and really thought he was a bit of a tool-bag. On this site I have criticized him as well. But I never saw him with anyone under 18 the few times I did run into him so for that I will not pass judgement until we learn more. I pray that he wasn't stupid enough to do that when there is thousands upon thousands of over 18 year old in Medellin. Thousands.

Fact- Medellin has been trying to clean up the prostitution. Like many things in Latin America the effort is slow because "hey we can look into that manana" type of attitude. 5 years ago Parque Lleras was full of mid to upper class Colombian families having dinner. Now there are blatant street walkers in the parque.

Fact- Jake was pimping, and publicly promoting it on his websites.

Put those two facts together and its easy to see why Jake got on the local police radar. They would like nothing more than to make an example of some gringo and Jake made it easy for them. I am sure he was on their radar for quite some time and was being watched until they thought they had enough evidence to bust him.

Fact- Jake is in jail now and being threatened with very long prison sentences in both Colombia and the USA. His Spanish is not amazing and he is shitting his pants. The cops are offering him reduced sentences if he cooperates. And by cooperate that means giving out the passport copies he has of guests, emails, and phone numbers. Jake has already given those up, believe me.

If Jake has a copy of your passport, the authorities have it now. When you try to re-enter the USA you will be going to the secondary line every time for a long time. Don't book a connecting flight with less than 4 hours of time in between. If you try to come back to Colombia, my guess is you are going to the secondary line, the tertiary line and then perhaps being denied entry. If Jake has your passport I would find a new place to do this hobby period. Take it from a guy that spent several years working in an Embassy overseas. But I'm sure most of you will just say fuck you I know better than you, they can't stop me. So drive on with your mission then.

Fact- what Jake is accused of and what David in Lima is accused of is far far different. Trust me I do not like Jake but he is nothing like David. I've met both in person, who else here has?

Rumor- black page this is 2nd or 3rd hand but I heard Frank Casio died a few years ago in Florida. I forget the circumstances but it wasn't old age.

To the guy that is hesitant to stay in the Mansion now. The police have known exactly what the Mansion is for 10 years probably. The mansion is very careful about appearing to not be a brothel. That's why they don't take any money from the girls. They comply with all regulations that a hotel does and they are careful not to overstep the line because then they would be sitting next to Jake right now.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1907658]Frank Casio lives near me and I haven't heard from him in awhile so I just now called. Someone else answered the phone and didn't know him, so maybe he has a new phone. Hopefully he is okay because I thought he was a cool guy.[/QUOTE]That's good to know that Frank is still around. As I said my info about him was second hand at least and a rumor only.

Cute spinner available. Pm me If interested.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1907678]If Jake has a copy of your passport, the authorities have it now. When you try to re-enter the USA you will be going to the secondary line every time for a long time. Don't book a connecting flight with less than 4 hours of time in between. If you try to come back to Colombia, my guess is you are going to the secondary line, the tertiary line and then perhaps being denied entry. If Jake has your passport I would find a new place to do this hobby period. Take it from a guy that spent several years working in an Embassy overseas. But I'm sure most of you will just say fuck you I know better than you, they can't stop me. So drive on with your mission then..[/QUOTE]This is exactly my take on what may occur to those who stayed at Jake's whose copies of their passport (s) are in the hands of the authorities. I cannot speak to what may occur to those who return to Colombia, however for those US clients of Jake that have either Nexus, Sentri, or Global Entry they will face some tough questions upon trying to renew their status, let alone being sent to secondary every time they arrive in the US from overseas. Anyone who has expedited access into the US from either Mexico, Canada, or overseas will know exactly what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1907759]Cute spinner available. Pm me If interested.[/QUOTE]Y'all ain't got enough of that shit yet? You better let these dudes finds their own broads and let these broads find their own dudes.

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/medellin-begins-cracking-sex-tourism/[/URL]

MDE 6.30-7.4. 16.

Transportation:

I love Copa Airlines but my goodness, the 6 am departure just kills me as I have to drive 2 hrs to get to the airport in and. O. So this was a 6:49 departure time which meant to be safe I needed to be there at 4:49 am Which means I have to leave my house at 2:29 am which means I need to wake up at 1:29 am which means I can't really sleep the night before an early morning flight. So starting out worn out from the get go. Uneventful flight from MSYPTY MDE. Mansion Taxi waiting on me with my name on a placard. To easy not to go thru the Mansion Drivers. Like someone else said, and IMHO, we are at our most vulnerable coming from & going to the airport with CCs, Passport, cash & any other valuables to risk a for hire airport taxi. ¬¬ Split a cab with another guy that sat next to me on the plane so it was only $15 USD. On the return flight it was 75 k COP which was about $26. Again, the peace of mind was worth it to me. Never took a bus or the metro while down there because I found the taxi fares ridiculously cheap. The most I spent on a one way trip was $5. Mostly short trips to Centro, Mayorista, the cigar shop on C10, etc. A taxi from the M1 up the hill to the M2 was 5 k COP which was about $1.75 USD which was well worth it after several beers & a Piasa in tow. Apparently, 5 K COP was the minimum for getting in a cab although the meter starts at 2,700 COP I believe and doesn't get over 3500 COP from M1 to M2.

Money exchange:

Went to Oviedo Mall to the left on Poblado Ave when coming down the hill from either the M1 or M2. Exchanged $USD on Thu at the Western Union in the mall at a rate of 2850 COP to $1 US. I made the mistake of paying my M bill in USD to get the 20% discount, but little did I know, their exchange rate was 2818 to 1. After that, I relied on my Schwab card at the ATMs & got around 2843 to 1.

Room:

Room 7 at the M2 was all a guy could ask for. The A / see was to cold, I had hot water but it took about 3-4 min to warm up in the shower, mini-fridge was great for bottled water & beer. 4 towels per day was quite enough & the staff was more than adequate cleaning the room & restocking the towels. If there was noise from the other guys I didn't hear it. M2 was plenty quiet. Walking down the hill was no problem. After the 2nd or 3rd time walking up, I said to heck with that & just got a 5 k cab when I could.

Food:

Breakfast at the M2 every morning was more than filling. 2 or 3 eggs scrambled with cheese or ham (the ham looked a lot like baloney to me), a piece of toast & either pineapple or papaya had me good to go each morning. Ate at Mondongos, Calle 10, and the steak was awesome as were all the sides. One day for lunch, we went down from the M1 & to the Left on Ave. Poblado was a place called JC Deliciosa where they had an array of Arepas. I had the large Mar why Tierra Peru (26,900 COP) & the Mango Milk (6500 COP) & both were over the top awesome. The smaller arepa would have been more than adequate.

When we went to Mayorista, I had a ½ rotisserie chicken & a bottle of some kinda of agua con gas from one of the little restaurants for about 13 k COP. It was surprisingly good. One night ate at Barbacoa Hamburgers & Beer, to the right on Ave. Poblado. Probably $15 USD or so but the burgers were big enough to make two meals out of. Very good burger & beer within a 5 min walk from the M1. Sun July 3rd for the Pool Party, they served tacos which. Well. They were tacos & filled you up. They were fine and that's all I'll say about that. Overall the food, especially in the restaurants was extremely good.

Touring / Sight seeing:

Went to Mayorista one night with a couple of ISG guys & had a good time only because I was with them. I would not have wanted to be there by myself. To many shady looking characters casing the group of gringos. I'm not a young man anymore & probably couldn't fight my way out of a paper bag anymore so I really don't care for places like that anymore. Went to Fase II after that & had a good time but no body pulled a chica from there. I promise to myself to get out more next trip.

Random thoughts:

I.

And reading more than 200 pages of the ISG forum in preparation for my first trip to MDE, several things stuck with me.

-1) The Paisas are really some of the most beautiful women in the world. There are beautiful women on every corner of the globe but my goodness, even the average ones were hot in the MDE!

-2) Some people are not happy unless they are bitching. One guy whom we ran into at Fase II was complaining about there being no skinny women. I quickly surveyed the scene & counted 6 or 7 chicas that were at least 9's & couldn't have weighed more than 47 kilos. Un-freaking-believable!! Then at breakfast he kept referring to Angeles City in the Philippines & how he could walk 20 yds out of his room & get 100 girls that weighed 90#. Well this ain't the AC Dorothy! Be glad you are here & quit bitching about how hard it is to find a spinner!

-3) Retirement. My thoughts are, if you have to rely on someone else to pay your way, or you can't afford a $3 cab ride because you can get a bus for 25 cents, then don't brag about being retired. You should have worked a little longer. You missed the lecture on what you need to retire comfortably. Although, one should not be a Mr. BigShot & throw money around like he just won the lottery, if one has to ride the bus because he can't afford a cab, get someone else to pay his way, give a girl $13 in a cesspool of an MP / casa in lieu of $50 for a comfortable 2 hour session at his apartment, etc. , etc. , etc. , then he completely missed the idea and timing of when to retire. I guess if some people didn't self-gloss, they would have no sense of worth at all. Again, Un-freaking-believable!

-4) I alluded to this in my preliminary report but will bring it up again. While most of the guys I met at the M1 & M2 were pretty cool & congenial, there were 2 that stick out in my mind as being on the other side of the coin. One was the complainer I referenced in #2) above. No need to expand to much more on this. He seemingly was blaming his inability to find a suitable Piasa on lack of available talent! Really, anybody else on the face of the planet ever have any trouble getting the hook-up in MDE with 150 K COP on their hand? I didn't think so. The other doofus I met was so proud of his Spanish that he told me he was fluent 3 times in the first 5 minutes of meeting him at breakfast one morning. Then he proceeds to start bragging about how he is about to retire in one year & he is a professor & then he says, "I'm a professor and I'm good at it! Really? You're so good that nobody except your immediate family & the students that took your class know who the fluke you are? Un-freaking-believable. You have to go down to the MDE & self gloss like a 4th grader trying to get noticed? Then, a day or two later I hear him talking to a cabbie & I'm telling you Peggy Hill from King of the Hill is 10 X more fluent than he was. Cartoon Spanish at it's finest! OK, enough of the rant. Everyone else I met was nice enough that these 2 clowns didn't ruin it for me. Are & be were as nice as could be & went out of their way to help me when they could. I couldn't ask for more pleasant owners!!

Chicas:

PM me with an email add for a detailed chica report. All I will put here is, for a first timer to MDE, I don't see how I could have done better than the Mansion girls. WOW! No wonder some guys don't ever leave the Mansion.

You can have my share of Mayorista. We saw 2 worth calling spinners & do-able. The rest were sloppy, dumpy or silicone overloaded. You can also have my share of the casas. I'll go back one more time next trip, but if the experience is similar to this trip, the savings is not worth it. Does anyone really think they change the sheets after each pop? My vote is no & that is downright F-in nasty!! The 2 I pulled seemed rushed to get back in the rotation.

I know it's long and drawn out but I wanted to put as much detail as possible so as not to be accused of not contributing!!

Until next time.

El Mechanico

Contrary to what some here would like to happen, it appears the Jake story is just beginning to gain traction with wider audiences. This article makes the problem sound worse than the others.

[URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/captura-de-alias-jake-extranjero-que-ofrecia-paquetes-de-turismo-sexual-en-el-poblado-HX4563081[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1907759]Cute spinner available. Pm me If interested.[/QUOTE]How apt the timing of this post. You cannot make this shit up, hahaha!

A Senior Member just reminded me about another one of "The Fallen": remember Peter, owner of the now defunct La Passions in Sosua?

[QUOTE=Soldierb11;1907678]The mansion is very careful about appearing to not be a brothel. That's why they don't take any money from the girls. They comply with all regulations that a hotel does and they are careful not to overstep the line because then they would be sitting next to Jake right now.[/QUOTE]

This is how Blackbeards in Puerto Plata is able to stay out of trouble. Unlike Peter of La Passions, Blackbeards does not touch any of the money going to the chicas. They only provider beds, food, and booze. All p4p money is exchanged directly between the chicas and the mongers staying there.

A lot of sex entrepreneurs fail to realize that A Colombian or a Dominican can get away with owning a Casa or Escort Agency BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING COLOMBIAN OR DOMINICAN, LOL. They are not going to let your gringo ass come into their country and set up shop like you are Hugh mu-tha-fuk-in Hefner or some shit. And your every-day local is not just going to wake up one morning and decide to get into the Casa or Brothel business. You'd better believe those guys who run them are connected all the way to the top and in ways you don't even want to imagine.

Jake was way out of his element. Just like a video game, there are levels to this shit, lol!

I'm confused. Why would this guy have a copy of anybody's passport?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1907764]This is exactly my take on what may occur to those who stayed at Jake's whose copies of their passport (s) are in the hands of the authorities. I cannot speak to what may occur to those who return to Colombia, however for those US clients of Jake that have either Nexus, Sentri, or Global Entry they will face some tough questions upon trying to renew their status, let alone being sent to secondary every time they arrive in the US from overseas. Anyone who has expedited access into the US from either Mexico, Canada, or overseas will know exactly what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]

You misunderstood my post. I don't know the guy, never met him, and I'm not the least bit worried about him or what he may say to anybody. This is why the subject bores me. I'm a little disappointed about what seems like a few guys focused on stirring up fear and drama. As I said originally, it's not the first time nor will it probably be the last time this kind of thing happens. I didn't mean to offend anybody. The only new information I've seen the past couple of days is the number of national outlets that have picked up the story, no new facts. Anyone who wants to should of course continue posting links and play by play. It's easy enough to look past it.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1907642]LOL, you really think you're secretly on the internet? You can thank Jake if you have any worries, not the people that post about him and denounce him! If you weren't doing anything like Jake, you shouldn't worry about it, and no, not everything on the topic has been covered as new details continue to come out now and will in the future.

Your post is a strange one, indeed. Why are you worried about a "searchable audit trail" on Jake's crimes, you might want to call Caracoltv too bc his bust was on the tv news today as well. When it hits the US news, you can call CNN and tell them to quit talking about it because you don't want to draw attention to yourself, and see how that works out!

For example, authorities were apparently observing Jake for a year before busting him. That was new information and interesting enough to share. Stay tuned, I am sure there are more revelations to come.[/QUOTE]I just read the last bit of this post. It's news that authorities were investigating him for a while? How is that news and what would the alternative be. Law enforcement decided to bust him one morning because they saw him on the Internet? LOL!

[QUOTE=Revere;1907798][URL]http://colombiareports.com/medellin-begins-cracking-sex-tourism/[/URL][/QUOTE]Have any of you guys noticed the "Say No To Sex Tourism" posters at various tourist sites in Medellin?

Most every bar and restaurant in Provenza.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1907855]Have any of you guys noticed the "Say No To Sex Tourism" posters at various tourist sites in Medellin?[/QUOTE]

After I saw Colombia Jake's very own admission that he sometimes posts pictures of his clients without their consent, that was enough for me to know to stay very far away from that guy. You can read Jake's own words below, basically saying that he doesn't care if the lives and marriages of his clients are ruined by their photos being plastered all over the Internet with known prostitutes.

[QUOTE=MisterQuickie;1713352]I am always curious if your male clients are consenting to having you put their photos all over the Internet on a well-trafficked Internet site? Do they know that you're going to put their picture up here before you post it?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1713391]I have no shame in living the lifestyle I live as a matter of fact I'm proud of what I do and my lifestyle. The fear of having your picture on a adult website with a legal of age beautiful women is over blown in my opinion. Most of the time I get verbal approval. If I forgot to ask, sorry but that's where it ends with me. I smile when you put your camera up to take my photo. If I don't want my picture shown I turn away from the shot which my girlfriend and I do quite a bit when were out and people are randomly taking photos because you really have no control of what others do with their pictures in their camera. I go through phases where I take pictures of clients followed by long periods when I don't. I've never had a guy say I lost my job or my empty marriage took a hit because of your photo but then again you wouldn't be here if that marriage was great now would you. If your not proud of having sex with beautiful women we really don't have a lot in common and you can see from my website what you get with me. Mayweather v Pacman fight here Saturday night but you must take the $75 girlfriend package. Mixers are provided along with a girlfriend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;1907855]Have any of you guys noticed the "Say No To Sex Tourism" posters at various tourist sites in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Just pretend you are a local. If asked, just say your Mother's Mother's Husband's Father's Grandfather was Colombian, LOL.

If Colombia is not passing a law to outlaw prostitution and shutter all of the casas in El Centro, just continue to do as the Romans do while in Rome (with non-minors).

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1907849]I'm confused. Why would this guy have a copy of anybody's passport?[/QUOTE]If you were renting rooms wouldn't you want to have copies of your renters identification in case there was a problem, I would.

Here is a video of the arrest a la Osama Binladen killing style with an army of police armed to the teeth with automatic weapons. Jake probably shit in his pants that date.

[URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/medellin/con-catalogo-en-la-web-gringo-ejercia-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1907862]Just pretend you are a local. If asked, just say your Mother's Mother's Husband's Father's Grandfather was Colombian, LOL.

If Colombia is not passing a law to outlaw prostitution and shutter all of the casas in El Centro, just continue to do as the Romans do while in Rome (with non-minors).[/QUOTE]Signs saying no to sex tourism, when I arrive tomorrow I'll see if any are posted at the Airport, and look for them in front of all the casa's in El Centro, and postings in Parque Lleras, and in front of all the Strip Clubs, and in hotel lobbies, at the Metro Stations, in the cabs, and everywhere else.

Great report, I'll be in Medellin Jul 18-23rd with the first 3 nights at the mansion. If anyone is going to be around hum.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1907815]MDE 6.30-7.4.16.

Until next time.

El Mechanico[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1907849]I'm confused. Why would this guy have a copy of anybody's passport?[/QUOTE]Because he provided lodging for his customers, according to his website. I'm pretty sure the law requires a copy of either a local ID or a passport.

Since he never really used his own thread, suggestion, can we all use it now for all things related to his case, warnings and such?

GF.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;1908027]Since he never really used his own thread, suggestion, can we all use it now for all things related to his case, warnings and such?

GF.[/QUOTE]Since he never really listened to our continued pleadings asking him to use his own damn thread instead of posting his garbage in this one, not a chance amigo :)

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1907951]Because he provided lodging for his customers, according to his website. I'm pretty sure the law requires a copy of either a local ID or a passport.[/QUOTE]This is so obvious. I have been astonished to see so many asking "did he get the passports?" Or even worse things like "I doubt one was so fool to give him the real name!", etc.

By law in Colombia, any establishment providing lodging must take note of the passport ID and data OF ALL GUESTS. When you go to a hotel, they make a copy of your passport. When you bring a guest to your room, the doorman records the data of the cedula of your guest. If he does not, he is closing his eyes.

By the way, I find this so annoying. If I rent an apartment, it should be my business who I take to my apartment as my guest! I don't really like to see the doorman to question my girls and ask them the cedula in the middle of the night, at least if they are my friends and I have no doubts about them.

I had more than one argument with some members of ISG about this, who jumped on me just because I wrote that I don't understand why in Colombia they are so strict in registering all guests. Those Americans found suspicious that I did not like the doorman register the guests of my apartment in CTG, but they are the same Americans who find natural that they can bring anyone, at any time, without any control to a room at Hilton in Dallas, not to mention crappy motels, without the security even raising the eyebrows. (For those who are curious: if I bring a married woman to my apartment, as I did once, allow me the prefer she's not registered on the guest book with her real name and cedula number).
By the way, in Colombia I was not asked to provide my cedula only in crappy hotels in the centro of Medellin or in some, but not all, love motels.

I visited Jake's place back in November of 15. I went there because it was my first time in Medellin and it was cheap and seemed safe. I met some girls, of course. Nothing going on there like drugs or girls of dubious age as far as I could see. But what I learned was that you don't really need a guy like him to get with the exact same girls he sets you up with. They are everywhere. You see all those little brick houses up the side of the mountain? Duh! So, do yourself a favor. Go to Medellin. Stay the hell away from Lleras. Hell, stay away from Poblado. Walk up to any girl you want and spit out a few lines of memorized Spanish. If you are looking for a hooker. Just go to the casas. They are a great deal and have some really hot girls. It's super easy to get a girl to be your guide for all the other activities. The girls there are just very open to the possibility of having sex with you. They aren't stigmatized by age difference or how you look so much. And if you are planning a trip in advance, I would recommend striking up a relationship with some girls in advance. You will have a much better time while you are there. I can also help out if anyone needs advice. I have made connections with some apartment owners and can hook you up with a much better place than Jake could offer for far less. Hell, I will offer consulting services if you want. I have really dug into this city and made some great relationships with all kinds of people. I don't mind helping out. It's really very easy to do this on your own. You can really make some sweet girl very happy, if even for a short time. Seems like a real gray area in Medellin between going there to meet girls and sex tourism. I really can't tell the difference, because meeting girls here is pretty much like finding sex. In my personal experience. So, just go there to meet girls. The sex will come. Feel free to PM me if you need some help.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1907908]Signs saying no to sex tourism, when I arrive tomorrow I'll see if any are posted at the Airport.[/QUOTE]The signs have been there forever, but they mean none with people under 18, not consenting adults.

P.S. The ones that TroyBoy posted after this are not the signs that I was referring to. But it begs the question, who is the sign geared towards and how are they supposed to determine whether a person is a sex tourist, and even then what are they supposed to be saying no about?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1907951]Because he provided lodging for his customers, according to his website. I'm pretty sure the law requires a copy of either a local ID or a passport.[/QUOTE]Law shmaw. According to the news reports, he was not exactly operating within the bounds of the law now was he?

[QUOTE=Turgid;1907855]Have any of you guys noticed the "Say No To Sex Tourism" posters at various tourist sites in Medellin?[/QUOTE]On my very recent trip to Medellin I also had noted a number of trendy Parque Lleras restaurants displaying signage: "No To Sex Tourists".

In the past I have felt comfortable dining in Lleras with my date. I would never kiss, grope or act inappropriately. I now feel just the sight of a 60 yr gringo with a 20 yr chica screams "ST" I have now made a decision --no more date nights out. Why ruffle feathers if it can be avoided.

I am also convinced now that if 3 or more gringos dine out together; one will be clueless and obnoxious. No more group dining for me.

My Advice:

1) Do not even pack a pair of shorts or flip-flops for Medellin trips. Save those for the playa trips.

2) If you are eating out with friends and English will be spoken, chose a table away from public so they will not overhear the crap that comes out of our Gringo mouths. (Always assume people in proximity can understand English)

3) For god's sake chose carefully who you smile at, wink at or hit upon. That waitress or gal walking with her mother most likely is NOT interested.

4) If you must take your date out in public make sure you and her are dressed appropriately. If she only has her **** clothes with her- order in.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1907951]Because he provided lodging for his customers, according to his website. I'm pretty sure the law requires a copy of either a local ID or a passport.[/QUOTE]Just because something is a law doesn't mean that everybody is within compliance. He probably at some point had to ask for some form of ID to confirm who he was dealing with, but I don't see how somebody can be "pretty sure" he made copies because the law requires it LOL! Furthermore, although I've had to show my passport many a time when checking into a hotel, reception has never made an actual copy of if. They took some information, but no actual copies were made.

I don't know about renting rooms to anyone but I do know I would never consider showing my passport to anyone engaged in what this recently busted guy and the others like him who advertise on the Internet. It's a personal policy of mine that's worked well enough so far. Recent events don't give me cause to reconsider it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1907890]If you were renting rooms wouldn't you want to have copies of your renters identification in case there was a problem, I would.[/QUOTE]

Seems like a good idea to me.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;1908027]Since he never really used his own thread, suggestion, can we all use it now for all things related to his case, warnings and such?

GF.[/QUOTE]

Love motels exist exactly for the purpose of non documented use.

The recently busted guy was not operating a hotel. Like anyone who has stayed at hotels in Latin America, I'm familiar with the ID rules. In fact, the same rule applies to checking into a Hyatt in Chicago or London. This guy was not operating a Hyatt or anything close to one. That is why I question why his customers would interact with him as if he were. It's about me, I don't get why anyone messed with him at all.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1908043]This is so obvious. I have been astonished to see so many asking "did he get the passports?" Or even worse things like "I doubt one was so fool to give him the real name!", etc.

By law in Colombia, any establishment providing lodging must take note of the passport ID and data OF ALL GUESTS. When you go to a hotel, they make a copy of your passport. When you bring a guest to your room, the doorman records the data of the cedula of your guest. If he does not, he is closing his eyes.

By the way, I find this so annoying. If I rent an apartment, it should be my business who I take to my apartment as my guest! I don't really like to see the doorman to question my girls and ask them the cedula in the middle of the night, at least if they are my friends and I have no doubts about them.

I had more than one argument with some members of ISG about this, who jumped on me just because I wrote that I don't understand why in Colombia they are so strict in registering all guests. Those Americans found suspicious that I did not like the doorman register the guests of my apartment in CTG, but they are the same Americans who find natural that they can bring anyone, at any time, without any control to a room at Hilton in Dallas, not to mention crappy motels, without the security even raising the eyebrows. (For those who are curious: if I bring a married woman to my apartment, as I did once, allow me the prefer she's not registered on the guest book with her real name and cedula number).
By the way, in Colombia I was not asked to provide my cedula only in crappy hotels in the centro of Medellin or in some, but not all, love motels.[/QUOTE]

A couple of other tips: remember to zip up your fly, don't fart in people's faces, try not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on the legs of passersby when you relieve yourself outside bars. Sorry for that, I couldn't stop myself. I just want to be able to pretend TroyBoy's helpful hints aren't necessary to post even though I know they are.

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;1908132]On my very recent trip to Medellin I also had noted a number of trendy Parque Lleras restaurants displaying signage: "No To Sex Tourists".

In the past I have felt comfortable dining in Lleras with my date. I would never kiss, grope or act inappropriately. I now feel just the sight of a 60 yr gringo with a 20 yr chica screams "ST" I have now made a decision --no more date nights out. Why ruffle feathers if it can be avoided.

I am also convinced now that if 3 or more gringos dine out together; one will be clueless and obnoxious. No more group dining for me.

My Advice:.[/QUOTE]

I was beginning to think I was the only one who considered that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1908128]Law shmaw. According to the news reports, he was not exactly operating within the bounds of the law now was he?[/QUOTE]

The signs are not new, especially the airport signs. The signs at bars and restaurants, in my opinion, are aimed at local clientele who would otherwise avoid the establishment for fear of exposing their families and friends to apparent sex tourism.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1908126]The signs have been there forever, but they mean none with people under 18, not consenting adults.

P.S. The ones that TroyBoy posted after this are not the signs that I was referring to. But it begs the question, who is the sign geared towards and how are they supposed to determine whether a person is a sex tourist, and even then what are they supposed to be saying no about?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoLoco66;1908066]I visited Jake's place back in November of 15. I went there because it was my first time in Medellin and it was cheap and seemed safe. I met some girls, of course. Nothing going on there like drugs or girls of dubious age as far as I could see. But what I learned was that you don't really need a guy like him to get with the exact same girls he sets you up with. They are everywhere. You see all those little brick houses up the side of the mountain? Duh! So, do yourself a favor. Go to Medellin. Stay the hell away from Lleras. Hell, stay away from Poblado. Walk up to any girl you want and spit out a few lines of memorized Spanish. If you are looking for a hooker. Just go to the casas. They are a great deal and have some really hot girls. It's super easy to get a girl to be your guide for all the other activities. The girls there are just very open to the possibility of having sex with you. They aren't stigmatized by age difference or how you look so much. And if you are planning a trip in advance, I would recommend striking up a relationship with some girls in advance. You will have a much better time while you are there. I can also help out if anyone needs advice. I have made connections with some apartment owners and can hook you up with a much better place than Jake could offer for far less. Hell, I will offer consulting services if you want. I have really dug into this city and made some great relationships with all kinds of people. I don't mind helping out. It's really very easy to do this on your own. You can really make some sweet girl very happy, if even for a short time. Seems like a real gray area in Medellin between going there to meet girls and sex tourism. I really can't tell the difference, because meeting girls here is pretty much like finding sex. In my personal experience. So, just go there to meet girls. The sex will come. Feel free to PM me if you need some help.[/QUOTE]You went to Medellin one time and are offering consulting services?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1908128]Law shmaw. According to the news reports, he was not exactly operating within the bounds of the law now was he?[/QUOTE]Did you ever consider, it may have been some much simpler laws that brought him down? Was he paying the appropriate lodging taxes? Local governments tend to be blind as long as they are getting their piece of the action.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1908136]Just because something is a law doesn't mean that everybody is within compliance. He probably at some point had to ask for some form of ID to confirm who he was dealing with, but I don't see how somebody can be "pretty sure" he made copies because the law requires it LOL! Furthermore, although I've had to show my passport many a time when checking into a hotel, reception has never made an actual copy of if. They took some information, but no actual copies were made.[/QUOTE]My experience has been, with one exception, that a copy was made of my passport and I seem to recall reading it is a legal requirement. Which is why I stated:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1907951]I'm pretty sure the law requires a copy of either a local ID or a passport.[/QUOTE]Now if you read it again you'll see that I never said "I'm pretty sure he made copies. " Hell, you quoted it and still can't understand. Someone asked why he might have copies of passports and I answered. I said nothing about whether he diligently followed the law. Do I need to write 6,000 words explaining everything else I didn't say, or do you think you can make it through a 2 sentence post without getting lost?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1908220]Did you ever consider, it may have been some much simpler laws that brought him down? Was he paying the appropriate lodging taxes? Local governments tend to be blind as long as they are getting their piece of the action.[/QUOTE]You can't be serious, this was a coordinated effort bt two governments, and Jake was being observed for a year, bc he didn't pay his lodging tax? Why do you think Colombians are ok with their 13 yr old girls being sold as long as they can make taxes off a three bedroom apartment? Its this attitude which Colombians are fed up with, Colombia is a very family oriented, Catholic country, so they typically don't appreciate insinuations like yours.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1907890]If you were renting rooms wouldn't you want to have copies of your renters identification in case there was a problem, I would.[/QUOTE]Forgive him, Surfer500. He's obviously retarded or has another agenda. Apparently nobody got Knowledge's memo that Jake posts are boring him, even as his own posts do nothing but whine about the discussion. LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1908226]My experience has been, with one exception, that a copy was made of my passport and I seem to recall reading it is a legal requirement. Now if you read it again you'll see that I never said "I'm pretty sure he made copies."[/QUOTE]Well that's never been my experience anywhere in Colombia. Not one time, and I've stayed in at least three different hotels in Medellin itself. The point is that you and a few others here seem to be so sure that the authorities now have access to passport info of the guy's clients, with you citing what the law supposedly requires (apparently I'm exempt), as if that's some proof that they must have the passport info. Otherwise, why cite legal requirements in the first place if you weren't insinuating that they applied to Jake and suggesting therefore that he followed those requirements and made copies of the passports? Like Mr. E said, it doesn't appear that he was acting within the bounds of the law to start with, so your reference to what the law supposedly requires in this regard is non sequitur with respect to whether copies of the passports exist. That's what I'm saying. You copy?

[QUOTE=GringoLoco66;1908066]I can also help out if anyone needs advice. I have made connections with some apartment owners and can hook you up with a much better place than Jake could offer for far less. Hell, I will offer consulting services if you want. I have really dug into this city and made some great relationships with all kinds of people. I don't mind helping out.[/QUOTE]One pimp gets busted, and another steps up to take his place. Or is that you, Eric?

Looks like a big SWAT type operation. His clients shown in the video must regret paying Jake for "convenience" now.

[URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/medellin/con-catalogo-en-la-web-gringo-ejercia-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL]

I am not surprised, I guess I saw this coming.

I remember 2/3 months ago I posted a news article about the people even mayor of Medellin was fed up with a flyer that was being handed to girls on property in high school / University about receiving big money to go out and stay with gringo fresh out of plane. That was utterly wrong and out of line. You can't go to places were girls get education and hand them out flyers to working girl them self. I remember some dude said that its something Jake would do, other said don't worry that ain't nothing guess what. Shit hit the fan. RCN one of the big stations in Colombia showed pics of Jake and clients on live TV.

Sorry Knowledge, this post is about Jake.

The news naturally or unnaturally does not show the minor girl rescued, ie her face covered by blanket. Probably, the girl and / or the Colombian guy had informed Police when she would be at Jake's place, if she was there at all. The whole operation appears to be prepared for propaganda / staging purpose with video camera and well-equipped officers. Colombian Police looks pretty hypocritical since they do nothing to the Colombian guys doing the same, but having a strong connection to the gang and Police. Also, this very Police had, or still has, gay prostitution ring for themselves and by themselves.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1908312]Looks like a big SWAT type operation. His clients shown in the video must regret paying Jake for "convenience" now.

[URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/medellin/con-catalogo-en-la-web-gringo-ejercia-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL][/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1908312]Looks like a big SWAT type operation. His clients shown in the video must regret paying Jake for "convenience" now.

[URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/medellin/con-catalogo-en-la-web-gringo-ejercia-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL][/QUOTE]Holy shit! What was that map with the arrows pointing to other states with pictures of other gringos?!

Man, they really did a number on Jake. He was screaming for attention and he sure got it and then some :-O

I see that they have blurred out the faces of the chicas. I'm not catching every single word they are saying in Spanish, but it sounds like they are trying to say that ALL those broads were minor. I am sure that is not true, but they can level any accusations at him at this point because he will not be able to refute them in public.

EDIT: They definitely keep saying that he offered services with minors. Even if not true, they are doing everything to tarnish his name and reputation. That should be a huge warning to any would-be pimps trying to make your mark in Medellin: even if you are dealing with above the legal age women, if they catch you they will accuse you of dealing with minors, and there isn't a fucking thing you can do about it.

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;1908132]
In the past I have felt comfortable dining in Lleras with my date. I would never kiss, grope or act inappropriately. I now feel just the sight of a 60 yr gringo with a 20 yr chica screams "ST" I have now made a decision --no more date nights out. Why ruffle feathers if it can be avoided.
[/QUOTE]Man, I wouldn't worry about what someone else thinks about you and your date. There is no stigma in their culture regarding older men dating younger women.

Medellin is a HUGE city. No one's got time to be paying attention to you honestly. You may look out of place trolling around El Centro, but in places like Lleras and Poblado everyone is too busy doing their own thing to notice you. They've got too much going on in their lives to worry about who you may or may not be banging.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1907903]Here is a video of the arrest a la Osama Binladen killing style with an army of police armed to the teeth with automatic weapons. Jake probably shit in his pants that date.

[URL]http://noticias.caracoltv.com/medellin/con-catalogo-en-la-web-gringo-ejercia-proxenetismo-con-menores-en-medellin[/URL][/QUOTE]Do you guys notice that he is being escorted out of the premises by female officers. What's with that?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908339]Holy shit! What was that map with the arrows pointing to other states with pictures of other gringos?![/QUOTE]More importantly, where did Colombian authorities obtain that information about those Gringos and where they lived (Georgia, Nebraska, Dallas, Chicago, etc)? Was the information pulled from the hard drives, cell phones, and SIM cards that were confiscated during the raid on Jake's apartment?

To the mongers who used Jake's services in the past, after watching that video, do you still feel confident that you won't be caught up in this mess?

[QUOTE=Turgid;1908345]Do you guys notice that he is being escorted out of the premises by female officers. What's with that?[/QUOTE]Nothing special, IMHO. You've got quite a few Colombians who work for PONAL Colombia. I had the pleasure of hanging out with one and her family for an evening when I visited San Andres Island a few years ago.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1908230]You can't be serious, this was a coordinated effort bt two governments, and Jake was being observed for a year, bc he didn't pay his lodging tax? Why do you think Colombians are ok with their 13 yr old girls being sold as long as they can make taxes off a three bedroom apartment? Its this attitude which Colombians are fed up with, Colombia is a very family oriented, Catholic country, so they typically don't appreciate insinuations like yours.[/QUOTE]You're now the official spokesman for Colombia? I missed the news flash.

The average Colombian might be a family oriented Catholic (who has a mistress, drinks heavily and frequently visits the local p4 p venues), but the average Colombian public official is happy to line his own pockets whenever possible. Those public officials are often willing to look elsewhere for a small fee.

Do you think Jake is the only person allegedly pimping children?

Will you be discussing my allegations with President Santos? Could you get his autograph? It's for a friend.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1908354]
The average Colombian might be a family oriented Catholic (who has a mistress, drinks heavily and frequently visits the local p4 p venues), but the average Colombian public official is happy to line his own pockets whenever possible. Those public officials are often willing to look elsewhere for a small fee.
[/QUOTE]I made a post about this yesterday:

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1907834]
A lot of sex entrepreneurs fail to realize that A Colombian or a Dominican can get away with owning a Casa or Escort Agency BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING COLOMBIAN OR DOMINICAN, LOL. They are not going to let your gringo ass come into their country and set up shop like you are Hugh mu-tha-fuk-in Hefner or some shit. And your every-day local is not just going to wake up one morning and decide to get into the Casa or Brothel business. You'd better believe those guys who run them are connected all the way to the top and in ways you don't even want to imagine.

Jake was way out of his element. Just like a video game, there are levels to this shit, lol![/QUOTE]In essence, if Jake were a local Colombiano catering to Colombianos, you probably would have never heard anything about this. I don't think he would have been able to get public officials to look the other way as a gringo. And don't forget that this was a joint investigation/operation with the US. So you know they wanted him badly.

Aren't you the same dummy that was defending Jake, telling us he should be allowed to litter this thread bc he provides a service for idiots or the lazy, just a day before his arrest? Nice shooting, you're now 0-2.

"The colonel revealed that while the arraignment hearing was ahead, Drivas tried to jump out the window on the 14th floor of the Palace of Justice in Medellin and several police officers arrested him. Later, he tried to hang himself with his shirt in his cell."

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[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908356]In essence, if Jake were a local Colombiano catering to Colombianos, you probably would have never heard anything about this. [/QUOTE]Exactly. Because he would not have been dumb enough to draw so much attention to himself. Hey everyone. My name is Jake. Come to my crib and I will fix you up with hookers for $100. Don't be cheap with these nice girls that I introduce you to.

MFs don't know how to go somewhere where shit is tolerated, have fun, and go back home. They always get starry eyes and bright ideas. That shit may work for a few minutes, then the wheels completely fall off.

Another example on the list is a pretty cool board member that I met in Cebu Philippines. He is from Australia. He had the bright idea to have a harem. Dude was living with 7 chicks and hauling them all around in a van. Where is he now? Sitting in a Philippine jail. Just cause something is legal, foreigners get comfortable and try to push the limits. Mongers are not the only ones with internet. Don't do it.

The female officers would normally be there to pat down any female suspects and to see to any minors that be on the scene. The nature of the charges explains why they got the assignment.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1908352]Nothing special, IMHO. You've got quite a few Colombians who work for PONAL Colombia. I had the pleasure of hanging out with one and her family for an evening when I visited San Andres Island a few years ago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoLoco66;1908066]I can also help out if anyone needs advice. I have made connections with some apartment owners and can hook you up with a much better place than Jake could offer for far less. Hell, I will offer consulting services if you want. I have really dug into this city and made some great relationships with all kinds of people. I don't mind helping out.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you will find someone to take you up on your offer. There's a sucker born every minute, lol!

Feel free to take over Jake's old thread. He won't be using it, just like we wasn't using it before all of this happened.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;1908335]The news naturally or unnaturally does not show the minor girl rescued, ie her face covered by blanket. Probably, the girl and / or the Colombian guy had informed Police when she would be at Jake's place, if she was there at all. The whole operation appears to be prepared for propaganda / staging purpose with video camera and well-equipped officers.[/QUOTE]Damn it, you beat me to the punch, LOL! I've been thinking about the raid for a couple of days now.

When the story first broke, it was said that Jake, a less-than-legal-age girl, and a Colombian national named Jaime Respect were all found at Jake's place when the raid occurred. Later, another news story said Jake, a less-than-legal-age girl, and a guy named "James" were found during the raid. But there's no discrepancy there because Jaime is Spanish for James.

The video is released on national Colombian news and Jake, his passport identification page, and pictures of his clients are prominently shown. Of course, the less-than-legal-age girl is not shown because of her widely-publicized age. But where is Jaime Respect? Where is James? If he was arrested along with Jake when then sting went down, why is he not being shown?

And here is why, and this is only speculation: because Jaime Respect [B]works for Colombian police[/B] and it was a sting operation days, weeks, or months in the making. I figure Jaime Respect contacted Jake and requested a less-than-legal-age girl. Jake sets up the rendezvous, Jaime Respect arrives at Jake's place, money is exchanged, and Jaime Respect and the girl go off into a bedroom and close and lock the door. Jaime Respect sends a text message to heavily-armed and prepared Colombian police waiting downstairs and tells them the deal went down and that he and the girl are safe in the bedroom, away from Jake and the cameras that will soon flood the apartment. The police storm Jake's apartment, he shits himself, and is hauled off to jail. The girl is rescued and media reports that Jaime Respect was also arrested. But they [B]have[/B] to report that because the police don't want Jake-types knowing police tactics.

Now if [B]none[/B] of that scenario is true, you have to believe that Colombian police got [B]incredibly lucky[/B] and conducted the raid at the [B]exact moment[/B] a less-than-legal-age girl was with a client at Jake's place. After all, isn't her presence the sole reason why Jake has been charged with pimping a less-than-legal-age girl? If not, there are more instances of Jake pimping less-than-legal-age girls and we just haven't heard about them yet.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1908396]

The video is released on national Colombian news and Jake, his passport identification page, and pictures of his clients are prominently shown. Of course, the less-than-legal-age girl is not shown because of her widely-publicized age. But where is Jaime Respect? Where is James? If he was arrested along with Jake when then sting went down, why is he not being shown?

[/QUOTE]There is another guy on the floor in handcuffs along with Jake. Look at the 4:53 marker in the video.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908415]There is another guy on the floor in handcuffs along with Jake. Look at the 4:53 marker in the video.[/QUOTE]Yup, you're right I missed him. I still say Jaime Respect was undercover Colombian police and that his "arrest" was all for show.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908342]Medellin is a HUGE city. No one's got time to be paying attention to you honestly. You may look out of place trolling around El Centro, but in places like Lleras and Poblado everyone is too busy doing their own thing to notice you. They've got too much going on in their lives to worry about who you may or may not be banging.[/QUOTE]Shouldn't it be the other way around -- the consensus now is that the middle class Colombians don't want that shit in their backyard (Poblado). Perhaps Medallion doesn't have a zona tolerancia, but El Centro is pretty much close to it -- where the locals get their freak on. I'd feel more comfortable banging and hanging out with hookers there, given the current climate.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1908378]Another example on the list is a pretty cool board member that I met in Cebu Philippines. He is from Australia. He had the bright idea to have a harem. Dude was living with 7 chicks and hauling them all around in a van. Where is he now? Sitting in a Philippine jail. Just cause something is legal, foreigners get comfortable and try to push the limits. Mongers are not the only ones with internet. Don't do it.[/QUOTE]Wow didn't expect that to happen in the Philippines. I see a lot of YouTube bloggers doing videos on Angeles City, Bangkok and Pattaya, probably financing their lifestyle with the YouTube Google money. They better watch their backs.

Cuba Dave, David 33, and now this clown!

KISS; travel, have fun, post a TR, don't mention many names and show faces, and repeat!

I don't feel sorry for any of them!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1907793]Y'all ain't got enough of that shit yet? You better let these dudes finds their own broads and let these broads find their own dudes.[/QUOTE]Finding a cute spinner in Medellin doesn't take much effort. I fuck a different cute spinner daily. And if I'm frisky two. If it's raining, then I'll use Whatsapp and have a woman deliver.

Just go to the basic places described in the forums and you will see all the cuteness and hotness that you will need.

[QUOTE=Cheerfull;1905893]I think we need to be careful about scaremongering. Guys who took up ColombiaJake for a tour of the centro have nothing to be concerned about. If the authorities want to nail Joe Monger, they don't need to go thru ColombiaJake to do it. I think this is all part of an effort by local authorities to clean up Poblados image. Didn't someone on the board mention a couple months ago a local authority had stated something was going to happen soon. I understand its only been several months since the policia started seriously policing Parque Lleras, now Colombia Jake, what's next?[/QUOTE]I think I posted a link to an article here about the gringos getting murdered in Medellin. There is a new mayor. And he wants to get rid of the image of Medellin as a sex and drug tourist destination.

Colombian Jake wasn't exactly being careful. He had stupid ads on Craigslist for God sakes. I have a small unrelated Youtube channel, very very few subscribers. But I had some normal videos of Medellin, and he comments on my video to stop wasting time and look up Colombian Jake. I replied that I seen him a couple times, but I never said Hello, to him. I didn't see a need to. Doing this type of stuff on YouTube or Facebook is just asking for trouble. Some people ask me questions about "working ladies" on YouTube, but I said I won't talk about that here.

Colombia already has drug dealers and pimps, or people that run houses of pleasure. The gringos that were killed here (yes, I am here now) were dealing drugs. The Colombian people don't want some damn gringos coming in to do the same. If you want to be a pimp or drug dealer you have to do it in your own country.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1907951]Because he provided lodging for his customers, according to his website. I'm pretty sure the law requires a copy of either a local ID or a passport.[/QUOTE]The big purpose of this is a tourist, you will not have to pay a 16% tax on your rental stay. I have only used Airbnb for quite a while in Medellin now. They want a copy of your passport so they won't have to make you pay a 16% tax. I could look it up, but from memory, I think you can stay in Colombia up to 90 contentiously without having to pay that tax.

So, A Colombian from Bogota staying at a hotel in Medellin will pay more for it than you.

My first visit to Medellin (5 years ago), I stayed at M2. While I was there, another guest told me that he went with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls. He was an Asian-American guy from California. He told me that there were casas downtown that catered to his type and that the Police were in on it.

I told Boyd that he had a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord911][CodeWord911][/url] staying there, but he did not kick the guy out.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908394]I'm sure you will find someone to take you up on your offer. There's a sucker born every minute, lol!

Feel free to take over Jake's old thread. He won't be using it, just like we wasn't using it before all of this happened.[/QUOTE]I am only offering to help. I am just saying that getting girls is the easy part. We don't need Jake for that. I was only offering to help anyone that wants to go there. I stay at a nice apartment in Poblado that is dirt cheap and I have friends there that can help find things or even take you on tours. I have some taxi drivers already vetted out. I want people to go to Medellin. I want them to meet girls and get laid. Why not. But I think it can be done in a much different manner. Jake made it out to seem like you needed him. He made himself a pimp. But he was just skimming off of an already thriving industry. He did provide a good service. I visited him my first time there and never needed him again. And I'm meeting local girls that are not hookers and fucking them. Isn't that better?

Hi,

Has anyone ever stayed at the Charlee? Any reviews?

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1908467]Shouldn't it be the other way around -- the consensus now is that the middle class Colombians don't want that shit in their backyard (Poblado).[/QUOTE]Parkinsons, if you look at the many escort sites in Medellin there are a lot of women that have their incall in mostly middle to upper class neighborhoods (Lleras, Poblado Laureles, etc.). 99.99% of their clients are local Colombianos.

La Isla is right up the street in Las Palmas. That's not a cheap barrio at all. So to say they "don't want that shit in their backyard" is somewhat of a misnomer.

This isn't Walking Street in Pattaya, Thailand. In Medellin, no one knows your business unless you go out of your way to make your business known.

My flight arrived yesterday at 11:45 AM and I got thru immigration and customs in a total of twenty minutes. My bag was the first one off the plane. I always get a seat in the front of the plane because immigration can get backed up in Medellin. I hit the ATM machines at the airport and took out about 3 M Pesos and lined up a cab into town. I was approached by an attractive woman about thirty years old at the airport who asked me if she could go with me into town. I was a little bit dazed from flying all night and said no thanks. She was probably watching me withdrawing all that money from the ATM's and figured I was a rich gringo!

I got in the cab and headed into the Industralies area of Medellin called Ciudad De Rio and checked into the IBIS Hotel. Got a corner room on the top floor with a great view of the mountains and surrounding area. This is primarily a business hotel with small rooms but with everything you need including a queen size bed, security box, strong WiiFi, cable TV, etc. The pricing at this Hotel ranges from $ 30 to $ 60 a day US depending on the day of week and what's happening in town. There's also about 15 places to eat and drink within 300 feet of the hotel.

After getting unpacked I headed to the Metro station and rode into El Centro and got off at Parque Berrio. My true home away from home. I started making the rounds looking for a brief encounter. I circled the Museum, Botero Plaza, the Church, and park area by the statues. Lots of glue sniffers "sacaleros" and drunks laying around on the sidewalks, etc. Lot's of girls out as well, however most of them where pretty "skanky" however there were some cute ones available.

After about an hour and a half, I started talking with a small blond haired cutie by one of the statues. I asked her how much money she wanted and she said 35 K. I've had girls quote me as low as 15 K before and asked her what she was going to do for that. Her response was, "you can do anything you want to me, but you cannot have my "culito" ass. So I said okay, lets go. We walked over to the Premium Plaza Hotel my secondary choice of lodging in Medellin and got a room. No Passport or ID required for checking into this Hotel. She was very sweet and I could of barebacked her if I wanted to but passed. Condoms are "optional" with a lot of these street girls, some of which don't look to healthy and you need to be very careful.

After this is I had some problems with my Colombian cell I got resolved and then rode the Metro back to the Hotel. I then called my Novia to come over later in the evening. We had a great session, drank a bottle of wine and went out to eat. Instead of eating at one of the trendy eating places by the Hotel we walked about four blocks into the barrio and went to a BBQ place. We got a full rack of ribs, 1/2 chicken, french fries, beans, arepas, and a water for 30 K. It's amazing how cheap you can eat here, and even cheaper in El Centro. We headed back to the room and fell asleep. I woke up around 3:30 in the morning with a hard on. I didn't have to go far! The novia left at 7 AM to go to work and I took a cab over to the sports complex in Belen. I hit the Olympic Pool and swam for almost an hour. What's odd is that I didn't even feel winded from the altitude. Got back to the Hotel and am getting ready to head back to "El Centro" for some more fun before having the Novia return after work. Just another day in Paradise with more to follow.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1908367]Aren't you the same dummy that was defending Jake, telling us he should be allowed to litter this thread bc he provides a service for idiots or the lazy, just a day before his arrest? Nice shooting, you're now 0-2.[/QUOTE]Did you get that autograph for me yet? No?

Neither of us is an admin here, we don't set policy, censor posts or make the decisions. All we can do is read and respond (or choose not to respond) to what we see here. Are you with me so far? Does the entire population of Colombia, who you represent, understand? Good.

In the weeks before Jake's arrest there were several complaints about non trip report posts in this thread, each followed by more non report complaints. Then there were several complaints about Jake. The complaints about Jake posting here and cluttering up the thread outnumbered the posts by Jake, by about 5 to 1.

Jake's legal troubles aside, barring intervention by the admins, there was no problem with Jake posting on this thread. The problem was with the people complaining about the posts. Anyone who didn't like his posts could scroll past, or place him on ignore. Anyone who read his posts, read his website and thought "this is perfect for me", needs a babysitter. If they ended up getting all their answers from Jake, it kept their stupid questions, already answered 100 times, from cluttering the thread.

Does any of that penetrate through? You were upset because Jake "littered" the thread about once a week, but oblivious to the fact most of the litter was from people complaining about Jake. Now, with the thread busier than ever before, almost exclusively with posts about Jake, all you can think of is making up an imaginary scoring system, calling me a dummy and doing a victory dance?

It appears the people of Colombia need a new official spokesman.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908415]There is another guy on the floor in handcuffs along with Jake. Look at the 4:53 marker in the video.[/QUOTE]The other person is the undercover cop that set up the sting. And this was at a hotel it was not at his apartment. They broke into his apartment with a door buster even though they had the keys. Makes for better news and camera action.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1908718]My flight arrived yesterday at 11:45 AM and I got thru immigration and customs in a total of twenty minutes. My bag was the first one off the plane. I always get a seat in the front of the plane because immigration can get backed up in Medellin. I hit the ATM machines at the airport and took out about 3 M Pesos and lined up a cab into town. I was approached by an attractive woman about thirty years old at the airport who asked me if she could go with me into town. I was a little bit dazed from flying all night and said no thanks. She was probably watching me withdrawing all that money from the ATM's and figured I was a rich gringo!
[/QUOTE]Good report Surfer. And probably a good thing you followed your instincts about that woman at the airport.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1908742]Jake's legal troubles aside, barring intervention by the admins, there was no problem with Jake posting on this thread. The problem was with the people complaining about the posts. Anyone who didn't like his posts could scroll past, or place him on ignore. Anyone who read his posts, read his website and thought "this is perfect for me", needs a babysitter. If they ended up getting all their answers from Jake, it kept their stupid questions, already answered 100 times, from cluttering the thread.

Does any of that penetrate through? You were upset because Jake "littered" the thread about once a week, but oblivious to the fact most of the litter was from people complaining about Jake. Now, with the thread busier than ever before, almost exclusively with posts about Jake, all you can think of is making up an imaginary scoring system, calling me a dummy and doing a victory dance?[/QUOTE]I think I can speak for a number of posters here and on other boards where Jake has (had) been spamming his "services". It's okay to promote your business, but don't be a complete shill. Throw down some cash and pay for a banner ad or sponsored post like everyone else. He was spamming ads on boards and not contributing anything of significance, just plug plug plug all day. I don't blame any site admins for clamping down on him and outright banning him because he was just getting free advertising.

[QUOTE=Gagoo;1908558]I think I posted a link to an article here about the gringos getting murdered in Medellin. There is a new mayor. And he wants to get rid of the image of Medellin as a sex and drug tourist destination..[/QUOTE]True, the city has been trying to clean El Poblado. But not sure if that is the real "cause" of the arrest of Jake. If that is the case, Police would have arrested him without any involvement by the US embassy since the guy's address is shown everywhere. The involvement of the US embassy could implicate that they marked Jake first, and then requested the National Police investigating and arresting him. Remember, there had been an investigation of him for a year before arresting him. The investigation had begun before the mayor began cracking down prostitution at P Lleras.

Gringoloco,

If you want to end with your ass in jail like your role model Jake, you are doing a good job. Keep offering your puta consulting services with your friends that will do the tours. Wait a minute, isn't that some of the shit Jake was doing? In Medellin, there is not such thing as puta consulting business with tours. By the way that type of business in Medellin is called pimping and promoting sex tourism, two illegal things. If you don't believe, go visit your buddy Jake and ask Jake for advice. If he made a copy of your passport when you used his good service as you mentioned, then don't visit him or you will be in the news too and put together with jake as another gringo pimp. Jake is going to be in jail for a very long time, probably many many years. Leave the pimping to the locals, you are in a fucking foreign land that despise gringos doing these type of things. Learned the lessons that we just learned from Jake's arrest and Cubadave in CR.

Cerebro.

[QUOTE=GringoLoco66;1908604]I am only offering to help. I am just saying that getting girls is the easy part. We don't need Jake for that. I was only offering to help anyone that wants to go there. I stay at a nice apartment in Poblado that is dirt cheap and I have friends there that can help find things or even take you on tours. I have some taxi drivers already vetted out. I want people to go to Medellin. I want them to meet girls and get laid. Why not. But I think it can be done in a much different manner. Jake made it out to seem like you needed him. He made himself a pimp. But he was just skimming off of an already thriving industry. He did provide a good service. I visited him my first time there and never needed him again. And I'm meeting local girls that are not hookers and fucking them. Isn't that better?[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean about the cost of food and drinks. I once had to remind myself I paid for much lunch and beer in Centro when I reached into my wallet to pay for a taxi. I had so much cash left from what I withdrew earlier that day I was afraid I walked out on my lunch bill! Paradise indeed.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1908718]My flight arrived yesterday at 11:45 AM and I got thru immigration and customs in a total of twenty minutes. My bag was the first one off the plane. I always get a seat in the front of the plane because immigration can get backed up in Medellin. I hit the ATM machines at the airport and took out about 3 M Pesos and lined up a cab into town. I was approached by an attractive woman about thirty years old at the airport who asked me if she could go with me into town. I was a little bit dazed from flying all night and said no thanks. She was probably watching me withdrawing all that money from the ATM's and figured I was a rich gringo!

I got in the cab and headed into the Industralies area of Medellin called Ciudad De Rio and checked into the IBIS Hotel. Got a corner room on the top floor with a great view of the mountains and surrounding area. This is primarily a business hotel with small rooms but with everything you need including a queen size bed, security box, strong WiiFi, cable TV, etc. The pricing at this Hotel ranges from $ 30 to $ 60 a day US depending on the day of week and what's happening in town. There's also about 15 places to eat and drink within 300 feet of the hotel.

After getting unpacked I headed to the Metro station and rode into El Centro and got off at Parque Berrio. My true home away from home. I started making the rounds looking for a brief encounter. I circled the Museum, Botero Plaza, the Church, and park area by the statues. Lots of glue sniffers "sacaleros" and drunks laying around on the sidewalks, etc. Lot's of girls out as well, however most of them where pretty "skanky" however there were some cute ones available..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1908643]Hi,

Has anyone ever stayed at the Charlee? Any reviews?[/QUOTE]Even though I have not stayed there, I have been to the rooftop restaurant up there many times. It has a nice view and good food and has shows sometimes. But a couple times they said we had to spend at least 100,000 pesos. But that was OK with us.

I have been Mr nice guy and have taken girls to the top floor restaurant a few times, and a couple times I went up there not knowing it was closed. But the key is if you can get a girl in the elevator with no questions asked, then you can take her to your room with no problem. I have had girls up in that elevator many times, no questions asked.

It is right next to Parque Lleras, so it is a good location if you like Parque Lleras. I just think Charlee is kind of pricey. But bringing a girl to your room should be no problem at all.

I have been back in MDE for a few days now. I seen a woman I have know for awhile on my first night. I was in Panama before this, and my lady friend said if I buy her some sort of body oil there that she will give me a good gift in return.

The so called oil almost cost me $60, she spent a full night with me and around 11 AM she was asking me if I wanted her to cook me a lunch. I'm renting an apartment for a week. Well, I was done. I didn't want her to keep hanging around. I said I know her grandmother misses her and she should go see her grandmother, and I need to go get a haircut.

Next day I went to Abydos. It seems to have the same women for at least a year now. The service from the various women almost seems the same. I get my rocks off there, but I don't get anyone to blow my socks off. I took Pamela this time, a 20 YO I think. She kind of looks like Pocahontas. Seems like she was in a routine, not truly enjoying the moment. But she's beautiful and I got my rocks off. Maybe 6 weeks ago I tried Andrea there. Wow, that woman is gorgeous. I seen her again a couple days ago, but went with Pamela. The service from Andrea was about the same as Pamela, and I have tried Julietta once. They seem to have the same training or something. I had a bottle of water there, and an hour with the girl, and it was 142 K pesos. It seems like they are encouraged to keep you in the room, even if you get your rocks off early. As she wanted to cuddle after sex for quite awhile. I kept playing with her tits and ass, so it was OK with me.

I think the 3rd day, was a day off.

Today I went to Thai Spa. I seen some reports where members don't know if there is sex there. With this craziness in the city at the moment, I'll just say whatever it is you want, that is what you will be doing. It seems like an odd location, and it has a security guard, he was friendly. And the guy there could tell it would be better to speak English to me, and he could speak basic English. I wanted to make sure that the 160 K that I paid would include what I wanted to do, and he said yes. So, don't worry, there were no extra costs or charges for wanting to do what you would do in other Medellin "massage" places. I was only shown 3 girls, and he said 4 were busy. He said earlier in the day they have 9 - 10 girls.

Thai Spa indeed tries to be a high-end place. It was a nicer place than the other places I have seen in Medellin. Except for maybe the closed down husband and wife team that had a house in Las Palmas, it was called Orient, and Lutron, if that is how you spell it. The rooms were small but nice, the bed was rather hard, but was actually better for doing what goes on there. You can buy bottles of Johnny Walker Blue label there if that is your thing, or anything else. A simple drink like water or coke, was 15 K pesos though. A beer 20 K pesos. I didn't get a drink there. On the menu, of which they gave me an English menu, made it seem like there is a 20 K peso entrance charge, but I didn't have to pay it. I only paid the 160 K pesos for an hour.

As I was only shown 3 girls, the guy said I could come back a little later and he will have 4 more girls. The girls were I guess like 6's or 7's. The first two girls were just way too white for me. Looks like they don't walk outside when there is sun. Then I seen very slightly tan girl, and she looked good. After she came to get me to go upstairs I realized it was a light skin black girl. That was a bonus for me. She says she is from Medellin and stuck with that story. I said she looks like she is from Cartagena, but she said she is from Medellin. She was the first girl I seen a the local soccer team, Nacional, tattooed on her back, right above her ass. Service was OK. I think what I didn't like was their condoms. I should have used mine. After she massaged me for awhile, sucked for awhile, and fucked me like a black woman would, while she was playing regaeton and rap music. I switched to doggy, but I couldn't seem to get in a comfortable position with her. Then she had a very slight smell after awhile, but not too bad. But the condom felt too small and I think my little buddy was going numb. We did this and that, and she had to massage my little buddy without a condom, then we fucked some more with a new condom, but the same thing, it didn't feel good, and we needed some lube. My buddy didn't like this. I came close to finishing, but never did. It seems to be the policy to make the customer have a good finish. She took off the condom, oiled my little buddy up and massaged him until he squirted everywhere. Even though I think overall it was just OK, I know she tried hard, and she didn't quit until extracting my leche and it was probably almost the full hour. When finished she questioned me and wanted to make sure she did a good job. I just said the condoms seem small, but she did a god job. After walking downstairs the guy asked me 2 times if service was good. I could tell they actually care about their reputation. I wouldn't hesitate to go back, but I'd go earlier. I was there about 8:30 PM, and I'd choose a different girl and use my condoms.

Attached are pictures of the business card. I asked for one, but he gave me about 10 for some reason. I guess you could give the address to a driver, but what I did is tell the taxi to take me to Centro Commercial LOS Molinos. Then I walked to Thai Spa. If I got there earlier I would have took a look in the mall. It looks like it might be pretty nice. They offer a Nuru massage there for 260 K for 70 minutes. But I'd only do that if I see a really hot looking woman with large natural tits. It's been a long time since I had a Nuru massage though, so, maybe I'll give it a try there if I get the right woman.

Sat 7/16.

I'm planning on a venturing out to check out the talent around 10 pm. Anybody interested PM me.

I'll post a TR when I get home early next week.

I wholeheartedly agree.

First Cuba Dave in Costa Rica, now Colombia Jake in Colombia. Countries simply aren't going to allow foreigners to exploit them financially. They can make your crimes look so much bigger than they are in order to stack the charges up so high that you won't be afforded the opportunity to do it again.

As tempting as it may be to start a little gig getting paid for information, it just isn't worth it in the long run.

Enjoy your time there, leave and tell a few friends. Repeat.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908339]Holy shit! What was that map with the arrows pointing to other states with pictures of other gringos?!

Man, they really did a number on Jake. He was screaming for attention and he sure got it and then some :-O

I see that they have blurred out the faces of the chicas. I'm not catching every single word they are saying in Spanish, but it sounds like they are trying to say that ALL those broads were minor. I am sure that is not true, but they can level any accusations at him at this point because he will not be able to refute them in public.

EDIT: They definitely keep saying that he offered services with minors. Even if not true, they are doing everything to tarnish his name and reputation. That should be a huge warning to any would-be pimps trying to make your mark in Medellin: even if you are dealing with above the legal age women, if they catch you they will accuse you of dealing with minors, and there isn't a fucking thing you can do about it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shanamat;1907259]I just booked my flights to Mde next week. I was going to stay at the mansion for a few days then du Parc but now debating on no mansion at all.[/QUOTE]No need to fear staying at the Mansion. Authorities have no problem with the way they run their business. They are legit. If you don't have a reservation, there is usually a waiting list so it will be difficult getting in on short notice. If you already have a reservation, definitely don't pass up that opportunity.

I wrote something longer, but apparently got disconnected from the site in the middle of it so I don't think it'll post. My shorter version is this: see the name about 2/3 rds of the way into the article below:

[URL]http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB913232501391848000[/URL]

There are a few other things you can find online which further tie in the name and the state it occurred in.

[QUOTE=RedTibetan23;1909616]I wrote something longer, but apparently got disconnected from the site in the middle of it so I don't think it'll post. My shorter version is this: see the name about 2/3 rds of the way into the article below:

[URL]http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB913232501391848000[/URL]

There are a few other things you can find online which further tie in the name and the state it occurred in.[/QUOTE]I think I forgot it on my re-post:

[URL]http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/1999/03/08/daily2.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Caramello777;1909556]I wholeheartedly agree.

First Cuba Dave in Costa Rica, now Colombia Jake in Colombia. Countries simply aren't going to allow foreigners to exploit them financially. They can make your crimes look so much bigger than they are in order to stack the charges up so high that you won't be afforded the opportunity to do it again.

As tempting as it may be to start a little gig getting paid for information, it just isn't worth it in the long run.

Enjoy your time there, leave and tell a few friends. Repeat.[/QUOTE]It's more than the financial gain. These guys were very open about what they were doing (even bragging about it). While prostitution is legal in many of these countries (and widely practiced by their own citizens), it is done discreetly. Their laws accept that people will do it, but it's also expected that it be somewhat discreet. Especially in a Strata 5 neighborhood like Poblado.

Cuba Dave and Jake were begging for the trouble that came their way.

Robberies happen at other hotels too. Take reasonable precautions and you will have an enjoyable visit to the country.

[QUOTE=Caramello777;1909591]No need to fear staying at the Mansion. Authorities have no problem with the way they run their business. They are legit. If you don't have a reservation, there is usually a waiting list so it will be difficult getting in on short notice. If you already have a reservation, definitely don't pass up that opportunity.[/QUOTE]

Wall Street Journal content is restricted to subscribers. You will have to state the punchline here, if there is one.

[QUOTE=RedTibetan23;1909616]I wrote something longer, but apparently got disconnected from the site in the middle of it so I don't think it'll post. My shorter version is this: see the name about 2/3 rds of the way into the article below:

[URL]http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB913232501391848000[/URL]

There are a few other things you can find online which further tie in the name and the state it occurred in.[/QUOTE]

US Genearl Attorney personnel arrived to Medellin in order to establish identity of all of Jake's clients in order to prosecute them in the States.

If I was a gringo (or gringo like foreigner) I would keep my ass away from any type of prostitution anywhere in Medellin for the next couple of months. You will soon see gringos being arrested downtown. Fair? I am not a policy maker I am just saying it will happen.

Fiscales de LOS Estados Unidos llegaron esta semana al país para tratar de establecer la identidad de LOS clientes de Jay Harry Drivas, para procesarlos por crímenes sexuales contra menores.

[QUOTE=Caramello777;1909556]I wholeheartedly agree.

First Cuba Dave in Costa Rica, now Colombia Jake in Colombia. Countries simply aren't going to allow foreigners to exploit them financially. They can make your crimes look so much bigger than they are in order to stack the charges up so high that you won't be afforded the opportunity to do it again.

As tempting as it may be to start a little gig getting paid for information, it just isn't worth it in the long run.

Enjoy your time there, leave and tell a few friends. Repeat.[/QUOTE]I think the thing is Colombians don't send people to USA and other part of the world to promote prostitution while guys like Jake does that and they also be going to far by going to high schools and college to hand out prostitution employment flyers to girls.

Interesting new Jake article.

[URL]http://www.eltiempo.com/politica/justicia/perfil-jake-lider-de-poderosa-red-de-prostitucion-en-medellin/16647157[/URL]

The article mentions that US prosecutors arrived last week to try to identify the customers of Jake. Jake's customers have much more to worry about than their global entry passes. I feel for them. I'm sure many of his customers wanted nothing to do with girls too young yet they are probably now dragged into this guilty by association. Of course it would be hard to prove anything, but still.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1909764]Wall Street Journal content is restricted to subscribers. You will have to state the punchline here, if there is one.[/QUOTE]Apologies for that. Cut-and-paste from the article below. Not sure I have a punchline, just sharing it appears that prison isn't new to him.

In 1995, stockbroker Jay Drivas sold an elderly Florida woman and her daughter $67,000 worth of notes backed by used-car loans to people with poor credit histories. What the woman and her daughter didn't know when they bought the notes was that Mr. Drivas had just been convicted of attempted sexual battery, a felony, and was awaiting the outcome of an appeal, according to the women's lawyer, Allan J. Fedor. "he was socking away the nuts for the winter," Mr. Fedor said. In March 1996, his appeal unsuccessful, Mr. Drivas entered prison, serving nine months of a 15-month sentence.

Mr. Fedor's clients, who didn't wish to be named, probably didn't ask Mr. Drivas, the stockbroker, if he had ever been charged with a felony, Mr. Fedor conceded. And had they looked into his past, they would have discovered that in 1994, Florida securities regulators barred him from holding a management job after learning of an NASD investigation into allegations he forged a branch manager's signature.

The article also mentions that Jake is being evaluated by a psychiatrist due to two suicide attempts. And also that he will get a minimum of 20 years in jail with the current charges, and the police infiltrated his operation by baiting him, posing as English speaking clients requesting minors and he took the bait. It also said that when they found him he was in his Jacuzzi with a 13 year old.

[QUOTE=BadLoss;1909819]Interesting new Jake article.

[URL]http://www.eltiempo.com/politica/justicia/perfil-jake-lider-de-poderosa-red-de-prostitucion-en-medellin/16647157[/URL]

The article mentions that US prosecutors arrived last week to try to identify the customers of Jake. Jake's customers have much more to worry about than their global entry passes. I feel for them. I'm sure many of his customers wanted nothing to do with girls too young yet they are probably now dragged into this guilty by association. Of course it would be hard to prove anything, but still.[/QUOTE]

Jake had two operations- prostitution of regular girls and secret operation of minor girls. Yes, the US authority is looking for the customers for the latter.

[URL]Colombiajake.com[/URL], such was the website that, according to police, was used by tens of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord914][CodeWord914][/url], all coming from the United States, who paid millions of dollars for sexual services in Medellin.

The owner of the illegal business, Jay Harry Drivas, 53, was captured by police this week. The man known as 'Jake', was the head of a prostitution ring that victimized children between 12 and 14 years old and worked the facade of an office of tourism plans that promoted via the Internet.

"It was received like a king in the tolerance zone of downtown Medellin. There knew everyone says one of the officers who put him behind rejas- (.) At that point contacted many of the young people, especially girls, who offered to customers. If using drugs, it was easier for them to serve because they offered marijuana and coca. " (Read: Captured 'Jake', the gringo who led network of sexual exploitation).

In that area of ​8203;the capital of Antioquia misery abounds. The US says the police took advantage of the low level of schooling of the children, their low economic level and lack of parental care. While he earned in dollars they paid them a Pyrrhic sum for 'walks' with strangers that sometimes lasted up to a week.

General William René Salamanca, director of Protection and Special Services of Police, says crawling web pages that more frequent sexual predators was key to reach 'Jake'.

The man, born in Massachusetts, was installed in 2009 in the exclusive sector of El Poblado, Medellin. There lived a life full of luxury: ate in the best restaurants, buy branded clothes and driving a high-end car, always accompanied by beautiful women. (Also: So operated 'Jake', the gringo who led network of sexual exploitation).

"We identified six months ago on the web and begin to track," said the official.

The researchers had to resort to an undercover police, with good English, who contacted 'Jake' showing interest in the tour package offered. "At first, it failed twice in our attempt to contact you because we speak in Spanish, and although he speaks our language, tourism and denied any sexual activity. When we did in English, gained confidence and began trading "says the source. The alleged customer requested the services of two minors, and the US agreed.

Drivas traveled at least three times a year to the United States to promote their services and publicize their website. "In public places he accosted older men, who had been speaking of a world of adventure in Medellin. And he said that at the web address find the route.

Basically, he is driving two lines of prostitution. Of legal age, whose pictures and names had a list that was seized the day of his capture, he had more than 200 records. The other, more reserved, including the services of minors.

Customers 'Jake' traveled from cities like Cheyenne, Lincoln, Dallas and Atlanta and acquired one of the two 'package tours' offered, which always included the company of a woman.

"The hitched with images of the city, and videos that 'Jake' up to their website, which could see customers narrating their experiences in locations like Park Village, about how wonderful the city, good food and excellent attention of his host, "said one of the researchers.

'Jake' offered them to their VIP customers exclusive apartment for alternative nights. An inflatable jacuzzi became the most representative of the services offered by icon. "Indeed, the day he was captured, in that apartment, which was in arriendo- was in the jacuzzi with a girl of 12 years and was seized psychoactive substances, sexual pills and 33 million pesos in cash," says Salamanca.

Tour packages 'Jake' were handled in two ways, according to the customer's pocket.

One for $ 10,000 that included plane tickets, lodging and sightseeing around the city, plus the chaperone of your choice, which could choose in the catalog that appeared on their website. The sexual service was paid apart, depending on customer tastes.

The second package, for five thousand dollars, differed mainly at the level of the hotel.

US prosecutors arrived this week to the country to try to establish the identity of customers Jay Harry Drivas, to prosecute sex crimes against children. "In Colombia await you at least 20 years in prison for crimes related to induction to prostitution, trafficking and possession of psychoactive substances and sexual exploitation involving minors. But the United States also intends to take it to try him there, "says Salamanca.

The US passed its luxury stays Bellavista prison in Medellin, where he will undergo a psychiatric evaluation because from the moment of his capture has attempted suicide twice.

But that is not the only case of foreigners captured in Colombia and linked to sexual exploitation networks. So far this year as they captured four foreigners arrested for crimes such as child pornography, promotion of prostitution and pimping minor. Two of those who have fallen are Mexicans and two other Americans.

[QUOTE=ColBoxer;1909781]
If I was a gringo (or gringo like foreigner) I would keep my ass away from any type of prostitution anywhere in Medellin for the next couple of months. You will soon see gringos being arrested downtown. Fair? I am not a policy maker I am just saying it will happen.
[/QUOTE]I doubt it. They are not going to have a squad of "special police" going into Casas and dragging out gringos naked into the streets, lmao!

Some of you are letting your imaginations get the best of you. It is not illegal for you as an American Citizen to engage in "legal-aged" prostitution in another country where it is already legal.

Your "translation" omitted a point that throws your prediction into question. The American prosecutors, according to what you posted in Spanish, arrived in Medellin to identify clients of the suspect in order to prosecute them for crimes against minors.

[QUOTE=ColBoxer;1909781]US Genearl Attorney personnel arrived to Medellin in order to establish identity of all of Jake's clients in order to prosecute them in the States.

If I was a gringo (or gringo like foreigner) I would keep my ass away from any type of prostitution anywhere in Medellin for the next couple of months. You will soon see gringos being arrested downtown. Fair? I am not a policy maker I am just saying it will happen.

Fiscales de LOS Estados Unidos llegaron esta semana al pas para tratar de establecer la identidad de LOS clientes de Jay Harry Drivas, para procesarlos por crmenes sexuales contra menores.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1909846] It is not illegal for you as an American Citizen to engage in "legal-aged" prostitution in another country where it is already legal.[/QUOTE]I am not so sure.

However I have come across research in the past which indicates that it is illegal for americans to travel to a foreign country with the intent on procuring sexual services for money. I think it was on one of the Govt websites. Some mongers have mentioned that it implies only sex with minors but when I read the comment it seemed to be all inclusive.

Maybe someone can find this information and post it from a reliable source? Unfortunately I have to go to bed within the next 3 o minutes. I have a 5 am wake up call.

[QUOTE=BadLoss;1909819]The article mentions that US prosecutors arrived last week to try to identify the customers of Jake. [/QUOTE]Well, that task should be easily accomplished given that Jake, having great respect for the law, most assuredly made and kept copies over the years of all of his clients' passport data pages LOL! Every last single one of them. After all, the law requires it LOLOLOL!

[URL]http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/is-sex-tourism-against-law.htm[/URL]

I have never read anything other than the federal law making it a US Criminal violation for an American to obtain sex with a minor overseas, and the military policy prohibiting servicemen from obtaining commercial sex while on "R&R"
This article seems to confirm it.

Savepros seemed to make a distinction regarding prostitution being legal in the foreign country. I don't think that matters. If it is illegal in the foreign country, the foreign country can prosecute. But the U.S. could only prosecute it the lady were underaged, from my understanding, regardless of the law in the foreign country.

The Swedes did in fact pass a law that has the effect you described for its citizens.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1909890]I am not so sure.

However I have come across research in the past which indicates that it is illegal for americans to travel to a foreign country with the intent on procuring sexual services for money. I think it was on one of the Govt websites. Some mongers have mentioned that it implies only sex with minors but when I read the comment it seemed to be all inclusive.

Maybe someone can find this information and post it from a reliable source? Unfortunately I have to go to bed within the next 3 o minutes. I have a 5 am wake up call.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1909896]I have never read anything other than the federal law making it a US Criminal violation for an American to obtain sex with a minor overseas. This article seems to confirm it.[/QUOTE]Your link didn't work. I believe this is the one you wanted: [URL]http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/is-sex-tourism-against-law.htm[/URL].

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1907286]33 million pesos in cash? What! The Medellin police is probably having a party with Jake's hookers invited. That's what I call stimulating the Colombian economy![/QUOTE]The story us on the ground heard is that 30 million pesos was the US governments money. Undercover agent paid him 30 million for the package. The stay the play. He told him he wanted something fresh downtown. Jake took him to Veracruz area of centro. Negotiated for him with a girl. Checked them both into a hourly motel. Walked them upstairs. Jake was allegedly arrested there. The money was all serial numbered. The client was american working either for government or one of those groups that get funding by religious groups to stamp out This kind of stuff. Jake wasn't arrested at gringo towers. Look at the video women cop walking him out of cheesy hotel. Anyway that's the story I heard. Honestly he rubbed a lot of us the wrong way here. But I been here two weeks. Not one bad look, nothing different going on here. The news from France and football (soccer) and whatever new gossip comes up is the new in here. Colombians have a 72 hour attention span. Not all and I'm joking but they move on to the next big thing. And why not. They already think we are scum. Just proved there point with this guy. No need to dwell on it.

[QUOTE=Bbrocs;1909936]The story us on the ground heard is that 30 million pesos was the US governments money. Undercover agent paid him 30 million for the package. The stay the play. He told him he wanted something fresh downtown. Jake took him to Veracruz area of centro. [/QUOTE]That is some crazy funny shit. 30 million pesos? You can get those same packages all day long in De Grieff for 30,000 pesos. He had those $ signs in his eyes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1910014]That is some crazy funny shit. 30 million pesos? You can get those same packages all day long in De Grieff for 30,000 pesos. He had those $ signs in his eyes.[/QUOTE]That's highway robbery, you can get the same shit for 20,000 Pesos at the the church a few blocks over from Avenida De La Grief!

The arrest, or at least the prep walk, clearly took place at a hotel. However, several news reports mention the suspect being arrested whilst sat in the inflatable jacuzzi in his apartment. Something along the continuum of hype and lying is going on. I don't doubt the suspect is in deep shit and incarcerated but some of the reporting smells like exaggeration and spin.

[QUOTE=Bbrocs;1909936]The story us on the ground heard is that 30 million pesos was the US governments money. Undercover agent paid him 30 million for the package. The stay the play. He told him he wanted something fresh downtown. Jake took him to Veracruz area of centro. Negotiated for him with a girl. Checked them both into a hourly motel. Walked them upstairs. Jake was allegedly arrested there. The money was all serial numbered. The client was american working either for government or one of those groups that get funding by religious groups to stamp out This kind of stuff. Jake wasn't arrested at gringo towers. Look at the video women cop walking him out of cheesy hotel. Anyway that's the story I heard. Honestly he rubbed a lot of us the wrong way here. But I been here two weeks. Not one bad look, nothing different going on here. The news from France and football (soccer) and whatever new gossip comes up is the new in here. Colombians have a 72 hour attention span. Not all and I'm joking but they move on to the next big thing. And why not. They already think we are scum. Just proved there point with this guy. No need to dwell on it.[/QUOTE]

I know a few of these girls but I'm sure there are a few of you on here. There was a FB post with 20+ pics of girls and guys.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1910244]I know a few of these girls but I'm sure there are a few of you on here. There was a FB post with 20+ pics of girls and guys.[/QUOTE]Wow! Prensa Piasa has 23 photos (some guys were in there more than once) of guys with girls under 'Mobile uploads'. I bet these guys are wishing they hadn't been so giddy with excitement!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1910192]The arrest, or at least the prep walk, clearly took place at a hotel. However, several news reports mention the suspect being arrested whilst sat in the inflatable jacuzzi in his apartment. Something along the continuum of hype and lying is going on. I don't doubt the suspect is in deep shit and incarcerated but some of the reporting smells like exaggeration and spin.[/QUOTE]What I heard here is that's false. Never was arrested in jacuzzi.

Was arrested in a seady Veracruz motel. With his "client" and girl.

Police went to gringo tower "San Pedro". To collect evidence. Receive his computer.

Look for the marked money. They did all this without jake.

The room mate was let go. They have him dead to rights I believe.

Some might say entrapment. No one forced him to accept the money to do this.

Yes don't believe the media, the better story is some gringo in Poblado in a blow up hot tub.

[QUOTE=Bbrocs;1909936]Anyway that's the story I heard. [/QUOTE]You are a credible member who always post a solid report. Video Clip shows Jake being arrested at a hotel, and the surrounding area looks like Centro.

You say that you heard from someone about what really happened. I think that only Jake, his client, the female victim, and the officers in the operation know what really happened. Since Jake and the client are in the jail now, can I assume that your information source is in the latter two?

For the life of me I cannot understand why or imagine any reason someone would pose for those kinds of photos. I'm utterly baffled.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1910244]I know a few of these girls but I'm sure there are a few of you on here. There was a FB post with 20+ pics of girls and guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bbrocs;1910369]What I heard here is that's false. Never was arrested in jacuzzi.

Was arrested in a seady Veracruz motel. With his "client" and girl.

Police went to gringo tower "San Pedro". To collect evidence. Receive his computer.

Look for the marked money. They did all this without jake.

The room mate was let go. They have him dead to rights I believe.

Some might say entrapment. No one forced him to accept the money to do this.

Yes don't believe the media, the better story is some gringo in Poblado in a blow up hot tub.[/QUOTE]Wherever and whenever he was arrested this dude Jake the snake is fucked for life. This is a lesson, a good one, it works for me, don't get any thinking about all the money you can make and all the fun your going to have with offering even of age woman let alone [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url]. This guy is totally screwed and for life. He is done.

Be careful out there guys.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1910391]Wherever and whenever he was arrested this dude Jake the snake is fucked for life. This is a lesson, a good one, it works for me, don't get any thinking about all the money you can make and all the fun your going to have with offering even of age woman let alone . This guy is totally screwed and for life. He is done.

Be careful out there guys.

TTM.[/QUOTE]Lesson is don't pimp. Stay away from not of age receivers.

If money seems way to good maybe just maybe your being set up?? What's wrong with someone who is 22? Not fresh enough?? Never understood these men.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1910279]Wow! Prensa Piasa has 23 photos (some guys were in there more than once) of guys with girls under 'Mobile uploads'. I bet these guys are wishing they hadn't been so giddy with excitement![/QUOTE]But it is only a picture. There is nothing compromising about any of the fotos unless someone has a significant other that might see them.

This is a post David_33 made back in November 2014 writing about meeting a friend in prison located in The Philippines by the name of Frenzy3. Frenzy is still in prison and won't be leaving soon. Apparently these two cats were kindred spirits since he and David_33 were into the same stuff. I wonder how well David_33 knew Jake? Birds of a feather?

[QUOTE=Member#4351;1646107]For those envious MFs who joyfully celebrated what happened to him, don't bother reading this or commenting.

A couple of weeks ago while I was in Cebu I visited Frenzy3 in prison. I had tried to do this on previous visits but none of the local experts who knew him had any factual information about his present situation (only some rumours) nor wanted to come along. This time I decided to go alone and managed to dig up the contact information for one of his lawyers. The secretary gave me visiting days and times. I then contacted one of the guys who lives in Cebu and was at the "Free Lunch". He was imprisoned unjustly some years ago and helped me with my Frenzy3 grocery and supply shopping trip. He knew exactly what is most needed by the prisoners. He brought along three female friends to aid in the shopping process.

Frenzy3 managed to get off a quick message to me mentioning McDonalds. He later told me that protein is much more difficult to obtain in prison than drugs (which by the way, he does't use). So I loaded my grocery bags into a taxi and after stopping at a McDonalds drive through and purchasing about 2 K in food made it up the terrible road to the prison..[/QUOTE]

Hello,

I'm new here on the website and I came across this section about Medellin and I really want to go to Medellin again to have fun I've only been there once a few years ago and when I was little to see my family I never really traveled on my own except with them. A little about me I was born in the states but my parents are from Medellin. I've been reading about this recent scandal and I think its atrocious of what has happened and I'm very glad that the Colombian authorities dealt with it. So, I'm pretty much here to ask for her as in accommodation and where to find these big booty Colombian girls really my family didn't let me got anywhere but now since I'm over 18 I can pretty much go alone anywhere XD so this would be my first time as an adult trying to get girls in Colombia and I really want to go so if there's any friendly and nice people here who can give me advice please let me know I as well speak fluent Colombian Spanish so communication wise I can be of great help.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1910192] I don't doubt the suspect is in deep shit and incarcerated but some of the reporting smells like exaggeration and spin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1910014]That is some crazy funny shit. 30 million pesos? You can get those same packages all day long in De Grieff for 30,000 pesos. He had those $ signs in his eyes.[/QUOTE]The article from El Tiempo that someone posted here said Jake charged $10,000 for a package that included airline tickets, hotel, tours, and the woman of your choice from the catalog on his web site. That didn't include payment for sex, which was paid separately "depending on the client's likes." Or he had a second package for only $5,000 in a hotel of lesser quality. That sounds like crap to me, and it comes from a source that also said the he was busted while in the inflatable jacuzzi with a 12 year old.

USA law enforcement offering to pay him 30 million to set them up with an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girl at a hotel in el Centro makes a lot more sense to me a bust in the inflatable jacuzzi.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1910413]This is a post David_33 made back in November 2014 writing about meeting a friend in prison located in The Philippines by the name of Frenzy3. Frenzy is still in prison and won't be leaving soon. Apparently these two cats were kindred spirits since he and David_33 were into the same stuff. I wonder how well David_33 knew Jake? Birds of a feather?[/QUOTE]My VERY first foray into mongering intel gathering back in 2007 was at a website called The Single Male (TSM). It was run by a guy named Bruce who was promoting the Dominican Republic. Didn't he get locked up for something similar as well? Is he still locked up currently?

[QUOTE=Paisa0622;1910423]Hello,

I'm new here on the website and I came across this section about Medellin and I really want to go to Medellin again to have fun I've only been there once a few years ago and when I was little to see my family I never really traveled on my own except with them. A little about me I was born in the states but my parents are from Medellin. I've been reading about this recent scandal and I think its atrocious of what has happened and I'm very glad that the Colombian authorities dealt with it. So, I'm pretty much here to ask for her as in accommodation and where to find these big booty Colombian girls really my family didn't let me got anywhere but now since I'm over 18 I can pretty much go alone anywhere XD so this would be my first time as an adult trying to get girls in Colombia and I really want to go so if there's any friendly and nice people here who can give me advice please let me know I as well speak fluent Colombian Spanish so communication wise I can be of great help.[/QUOTE]Send me a Pm, when you here, can meet for coffee at Pergamino. Shoot the shit.

The trend appears to be the crackdown on our hobby. Reuters reported that Thailand's tourism minister and police are working to eradicate the country's well-known sex industry and there have been many raids on brothels countrywide.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1910566]The trend appears to be the crackdown on our hobby. Reuters reported that Thailand's tourism minister and police are working to eradicate the country's well-known sex industry and there have been many raids on brothels countrywide.[/QUOTE]What happened with Jake wasn't a crackdown on prostitution. I wouldn't associate what is happening in Thailand with anyplace else in the world.

Here's a good barometer: if the locals are starting to worry, then so should you!

[QUOTE=Turgid;1910566]The trend appears to be the crackdown on our hobby. Reuters reported that Thailand's tourism minister and police are working to eradicate the country's well-known sex industry and there have been many raids on brothels countrywide.[/QUOTE]The raids there have not been to eradicate the sex industry but to look for minors in the brothels. There's no way Thailand's sex industry is going to be eradicated.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1910387]For the life of me I cannot understand why or imagine any reason someone would pose for those kinds of photos. I'm utterly baffled.[/QUOTE]IMHO, some of those guys look a little socially awkward, like the main male characters from the TV show Big Bang Theory. If you've spent most of your life in a physics lab and haven't had a conjugal visit in years, and suddenly you're in a foreign country about to bang a hottie that you'd have no chance to meet in the United States, you'll stand there and mug for the camera all day.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1910660]IMHO, some of those guys look a little socially awkward, like the main male characters from the TV show Big Bang Theory. If you've spent most of your life in a physics lab and haven't had a conjugal visit in years, and suddenly you're in a foreign country about to bang a hottie that you'd have no chance to meet in the United States, you'll stand there and mug for the camera all day.[/QUOTE]Because Jake's customers weren't mongers. They went to an all you can eat buffet and paid a waiter to bring them the waiter's choice. Other than deciding to let someone else make all the decisions, they were just sheep following the herd. They didn't think about it when the camera came out. They just smiled and asked for a copy.

When the camera came out, an experienced monger would have said no pictures. It's one thing to get some pics, balls deep in a sweet young thing. It's another to let someone else have pics of you standing next to her.

Are there other pictures? None of those appear to involve minors, but did Jake take photos of his alleged other customers? Those are the ones that will matter.

So is it safe to go now to Colombia? Or hows the situation currently en El Poblado area?

I'm here now and the local have big smiles on there face.

Bars and casa are still a go. Guys lets just keep this place to ourselves.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1910581]What happened with Jake wasn't a crackdown on prostitution. I wouldn't associate what is happening in Thailand with anyplace else in the world.

Here's a good barometer: if the locals are starting to worry, then so should you![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1910738]Are there other pictures? None of those appear to involve minors, but did Jake take photos of his alleged other customers?[/QUOTE]Given the fact that several cell phones and hard drives were seized by Colombian authorities during the raid, I'd say that's an affirmative, Rafterman.

[QUOTE=Bbrocs;1910450]Send me a Pm, when you here, can meet for coffee at Pergamino. Shoot the shit.[/QUOTE]I'm new on here just did a search and damn would like to know how do I PM you on here when I go for a visit.

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[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908665]Parkinsons, if you look at the many escort sites in Medellin there are a lot of women that have their incall in mostly middle to upper class neighborhoods (Lleras, Poblado Laureles, etc.). 99.99% of their clients are local Colombianos.

La Isla is right up the street in Las Palmas. That's not a cheap barrio at all. So to say they "don't want that shit in their backyard" is somewhat of a misnomer.

This isn't Walking Street in Pattaya, Thailand. In Medellin, no one knows your business unless you go out of your way to make your business known.[/QUOTE]But the action taken here is against foreigners, the public enemy is the gringo sex tourist -- in their "nicer" neighborhood. You made the point that if Jake was Colombian he would still be skating.

Usually I'm not one to give a shit about what others think, keep doing your thing in Poblado / Lleras. But, if you think no one knows or no one is watching -- did you miss the part of Jake's arrest video where they interviewed the neighbor (lady driving in her car)?

All I'm saying is, you were incorrect to tell the board to avoid El Centro. I echo the sentiment in DCFan's new post.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1910961]All I'm saying is, you were incorrect to tell the board to avoid El Centro. I echo the sentiment in DCFan's new post.[/QUOTE]Who wants the unlearned coming to screw up the best thing about Medellin as they have done in numerous other places around the globe? Guys please avoid downtown. It is much too dangerous there. Poblado is much more comfortable. There is no reason to leave there. It is just like or in some cases better than home.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1910968]Who wants the unlearned coming to screw up the best thing about Medellin as they have done in numerous other places around the globe? Guys please avoid downtown. It is much too dangerous there. Poblado is much more comfortable. There is no reason to leave there. It is just like or in some cases better than home.[/QUOTE]Haha true that. On second thought, centro is full of local people who will look at you all weird and stuff, probably casing you for a robbery later. Don't go there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1910968]Who wants the unlearned coming to screw up the best thing about Medellin as they have done in numerous other places around the globe? Guys please avoid downtown. It is much too dangerous there. Poblado is much more comfortable. There is no reason to leave there. It is just like or in some cases better than home.[/QUOTE]True even Colombians are careful in centro since the thieves are clever unfortunately. What I fear the most is the scopola drug which is one of the reasons I'm scared of going since I don't no much people in Medellin other than my folks and my cousins wouldn't approve of my sex adventures anybody that would like to talk more with me and want to hang out let me know I'm looking for some good honest friends.

It's super dangerous. Do not go there.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1910978]Haha true that. On second thought, centro is full of local people who will look at you all weird and stuff, probably casing you for a robbery later. Don't go there.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1910988]It's super dangerous. Do not go there.

.[/QUOTE]You forgot to mention that all the women in Centro are actually men.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1910978]Haha true that. On second thought, centro is full of local people who will look at you all weird and stuff, probably casing you for a robbery later. Don't go there.[/QUOTE]Last month I saw two gringos with shorts and flip flops in Centro.

They were talking Engpalish very loud to bunch of street girls, laughing and joking, and everybody was looking at them.

Soon police came and asked questions, and they took gringos to somewhere.

I don't know if they were arrested.

These guys better stay in Poblado.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1910961]
All I'm saying is, you were incorrect to tell the board to avoid El Centro. I echo the sentiment in DCFan's new post.[/QUOTE]I think the "Parkinsons" part of your username is kicking in, LOL. I don't have a post telling people to "avoid El Centro". Haven't made a post even slightly close to that. You can definitely quote that post to prove me wrong though.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1910961]But the action taken here is against foreigners, the public enemy is the gringo sex tourist -- in their "nicer" neighborhood.
[/QUOTE]

Now here is where I WILL mention El Centro:

Who's more visible? The guy that invites a chica over to his apartment via taxi? Or the gringo in his shorts wearing a fanny pack going door to door (read "Casa to Casa") looking for that "diamond in the rough"; the gringo trolling around the statutes and the church downtown looking for street chicks?

If I wanted to make an exploitation news piece for the evening news, do I set my camera up in Poblado were I may happen to catch a brief shot of a gringo unlocking his front door for a visiting chica? But which apartment has gringos? And what if he's napping for 3hrs and doesn't have any chicas coming over until later that evening?

Or do I set my camera up in El Centro and interview gringos all day long as they come out of New Life? Perhaps ask one of them to pause their negotiations with a street chica to give me a quick exclusive?

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1910961]But, if you think no one knows or no one is watching -- did you miss the part of Jake's arrest video where they interviewed the neighbor (lady driving in her car)?
[/QUOTE]

Who cares? If I cared that people are speculating that I may be there for sex, then I might as well shred my passport and never leave my house!

I'll say it again: I could bang 4 different chicas before lunch and be walking my happy ass down the street to McDonalds. No one you pass on the street will have any idea how your morning went unless you stopped them and told them. Sure, they can speculate, but who gives a shit about their speculations?

Show me the YouTube video with Johns and Ho's hanging out and chatting it up in front of random apartment buildings in The DR. Then show me the video of Johns and Ho's hanging out and chatting up on the strip in Sosua. Which of the two videos is harder to find?

Prosecutor: "Why did you rob the bank?"
Willie Sutton: "Because that's where the money is!"

AS SavePros said, no one cares that you are in Medellin to visit casas or anything else. Just keep it on the down low. Most latins know about it, they just don't want it thrown in their face as Cuba Dave was doing. Add in any other misadventure (s) as Colombia Jake was doing and you have a recipe for disaster.

Centro can be dangerous. There are areas you don't go. The problem is that you can't tell which are the areas to stay out of, unless you just know which streets not to go past. Some people are just easy marks and sure enough some Colombian will follow them until there is an opportunity to mug them. Or worse.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1911103]Show me the YouTube video with Johns and Ho's hanging out and chatting it up in front of random apartment buildings in The DR. Then show me the video of Johns and Ho's hanging out and chatting up on the strip in Sosua. Which of the two videos is harder to find?[/QUOTE]Is this a trick question seeing that Sosua IS the DR? (Regardless, not sure what either one has to do with Medellin.).

This past Saturday I arrived at "Ground Zero" in El Centro around 1 PM looking for a wife. I made the rounds circling the Church, the Museum, the Statues, and the Park. Lots of women around along with the drunks and glue sniffers that inhabit this area. After about an hour it started to rain very hard and everyone was standing under the awnings of the buildings and in the storefronts. I hung out for a while and was going to head back to Poblado when the rain lightened up. I opened up my umbrella and started walking around again and came upon a thin woman about thirty years old with a pretty face and beautiful eyes. We talked for a bit and she told me she was available for 20,000 Pesos. I found her desirable and wasn't going to be breaking the bank so I said let's go.

We checked into my Hotel of choice at Ground Zero the Premier Plaza. I got her a beer, a snack, and up to the room we went. We talked for about twenty minutes and she told me she had never been with a gringo before. The clothes came off, we showered, and she started giving me a bareback deep-throat blow job. Wow, incredible I almost hit the ceiling in the room. She was really into the sex, passionate, moaned, yelped, got very wet, and came two times before I finished. A passionate nympho, just my type! After an hour and a half together we exchanged numbers and I put her number on speed dial in my phone. When I gave her 40,000 Pesos she was in shock and disbelief and looked at me as though I was Bill Gates. I had such a great experience with her that I saw her again on Sunday for three hours and again on Monday.

If you can spend time in El Centro during the day, are not an obvious gringo (blond hair / blue eyes), can understand and speak some Spanish, and are not afraid to approach women in Public, El Centro is the place to be, at least for me. Poblado / Parque Lleras is a great area to stay in, but I don't waste my time looking for women there.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1911237] We talked for a bit and she told me she was available for 20,000 Pesos.

When I gave her 40,000 Pesos she was in shock and disbelief and looked at me as though I was Bill Gates. [/QUOTE]Thanks for ruining the market and doubling the price. Jejeje.

I guess 40,000 will now be expected from all the better looking girls.

I can understand giving and extra 5000, not because we can afford it, but to show thanks for excellent service. But doubling the standard price is kinda insane even if we are 2 week millionaires!

I am sure you are going to say it is not much money and you can afford it, but that is not the point, I have seen the prices go up over the years in over monger destinations and it is because of that kinda of attitude. Tip as if you are a local seems to be the best way to go.

[QUOTE=WebConnect;1911339]Thanks for ruining the market and doubling the price. Jejeje.

I guess 40,000 will now be expected from all the better looking girls.

I can understand giving and extra 5000, not because we can afford it, but to show thanks for excellent service. But doubling the standard price is kinda insane even if we are 2 week millionaires!

I am sure you are going to say it is not much money and you can afford it, but that is not the point, I have seen the prices go up over the years in over monger destinations and it is because of that kinda of attitude. Tip as if you are a local seems to be the best way to go.[/QUOTE]Oh please! What others pay should not affect you. If a chica wants to be with you, then she will take your price. If not, then she won't.

You are banking on her thinking that she would have no better offers, so you can exploit that.

[QUOTE=WebConnect;1911339]Thanks for ruining the market and doubling the price. Jejeje.

I guess 40,000 will now be expected from all the better looking girls.

I can understand giving and extra 5000, not because we can afford it, but to show thanks for excellent service. But doubling the standard price is kinda insane even if we are 2 week millionaires!

I am sure you are going to say it is not much money and you can afford it, but that is not the point, I have seen the prices go up over the years in over monger destinations and it is because of that kinda of attitude. Tip as if you are a local seems to be the best way to go.[/QUOTE]I understand where your coming from and agree with what you have said, however there are always exceptions. In this case I wanted to help her out given what she told me about her situation and her life in general. I see nothing wrong with being generous when it is warranted and appropriate. You don't need to worry about me doubling the price for all the other mongers who partake in the El Centro street scene. The average rate for the street girls is around 30,000 Pesos for an hour, so 40,000 pesos for an hour and a half it still in line with the going rate. Mongering in El Centro is very different than other monger destinations in the World that have experienced price increases. I really don't know of any other monger destinations similar to the El Centro street scene except maybe Tijuana in some ways which has not experienced any price increases for several years. In fact the prices have actually gone down given the strength of the US dollar.

What do you mean better offers? She won't get better offers. You are in el centro duh! The going street price is 20-25 k plus 10 k for room for a 1/2 hour. . The chica accepted your price and you gave her trouble. What kinda sense is that. Guys, the younger chicas would smell the gringo a mile away and charge you more of the break. 35-40 k but you say nah hoe the price is 25 k. And if she give you a great time then you tip 5 k. 10 k tops. You went with a older chica like I did this morning at 9 am. She charged me 20 k plus 10 k room. Decent services and I didn't tip her shit. These street hoes aren't used to tips. Fuck that!

[QUOTE=Queens35;1911385]Oh please! What others pay should not affect you. If a chica wants to be with you, then she will take your price. If not, then she won't.

You are banking on her thinking that she would have no better offers, so you can exploit that.[/QUOTE]

It seems some mongers have a small bit of a heart and / or soul remaining, LOL. I have to admit, when I hear some of these low prices offered to me, I feel extremely guilty, almost like I'm exploiting the chica. 20 k pesos is an insanely small amount of money, it amounts to $6.83 at the the present exchange rate. Doubling that means you paid a bank breaking $13.66.

And despite what some folks are bound to say here, 40 k pesos doesn't amount to much down there. Even in the poorest estrata 1 barrios, $13.66 doesn't get you that much more in Colombia than it does in the states. I suspect these girls are low-balling themselves partly because the supply around them must seem infinite, and they may possibly have some bad habits they need to feed if you know what I mean. Especially the ones prowling centro. So be careful with those rock-bottom prices as desperate girls with addictions have weak immune systems, and you can end up with a "souvenir" from your trip if you BB with these types of girls.

Now putting aside all that, I never use the word propina with the girls. If they treat me right, I give them something extra. I always tell them "para su familia" "for your family" as I'm trying to set in their mind it's an occasional gift, not a tip for service. If I give extra, it's at the first time I session with a girl (because I want to encourage her to see me again) and at the end of my trip.

I set expectations with these girls, I explain to them "no doy regalos cada vez" I don't give gifts every time. I tell them this right after they got their gift.

Of course, there's a risk to this, some girls think they can spring some sob story about their mother or whatnot, to you or some other gringo coming by in her near future.

My principle is that the girls that whine the most and give me the most sob-stories get the least or nothing extra at all, even though sometimes I believe them.

I don't think Surfer did anything too bad; going from 20 to 40 is not as sinful, LOL, as going from 200 to 400! If he wanted to keep her in the rotation and keep her energies focused on him, then he did the right thing for himself and for her since she made a little extra change (certainly not enough for her to move out of her barrio or open a savings account, LOL).

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1911412]What do you mean better offers? She won't get better offers. You are in el centro duh! The going street price is 20-25 k plus 10 k for room for a 1/2 hour. . The chica accepted your price and you gave her trouble. What kinda sense is that. Guys, the younger chicas would smell the gringo a mile away and charge you more of the break. 35-40 k but you say nah hoe the price is 25 k. And if she give you a great time then you tip 5 k. 10 k tops. You went with a older chica like I did this morning at 9 am. She charged me 20 k plus 10 k room. Decent services and I didn't tip her shit. These street hoes aren't used to tips. Fuck that![/QUOTE]I don't agree that a younger Chica versus an older Chica can sniff out a Gringo faster. As far as tipping, decent service doesn't warrant a tip like you say, however when a Chica in El Centro rocks me, she's going to get a tip and maybe even double what she quoted me if the experience was incredible and I know I'm going to repeat with her. So what do I get in return for this? Well my experience has been that when I repeat with them I get the "royal" treatment of at least an hour or more instead of the "typical" experience you had in El Centro. Everybody rolls different.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1911550] As far as tipping, decent service doesn't warrant a tip like you say, however when a Chica in El Centro rocks me, she's going to get a tip and maybe even double what she quoted me if the experience was incredible and I know I'm going to repeat with her. So what do I get in return for this? Well my experience has been that when I repeat with them I get the "royal" treatment of at least an hour or more instead of the "typical" experience you had in El Centro. Everybody rolls different.[/QUOTE]Oh yes. That is what I was doing with my wonderful girl who I named "glue sniffer" in my reports of September 2015 here (make a search if you did not read and are curious). I was giving her and her friend (every time different) 40 k-50 k each time. Was I spoiling the market? Not really. What market by the way?? I want to see how many can go after midnight around Perpetuo Socorro. I was special to her, she was special to me.

What was I getting in change of the double fee? True GFE coupled with porn-star experiences, beyond any expectation, and something close to a friend in an environment where I was not looking one. Even a phone call for the "Dia de Amor y Amistad".
(No, she was not a zombie. Pretty, clean, honest and still unspoiled in spite of the dump where I found her).

[QUOTE=Queens35;1911385]Oh please! What others pay should not affect you. If a chica wants to be with you, then she will take your price. If not, then she won't.

You are banking on her thinking that she would have no better offers, so you can exploit that.[/QUOTE]What do you mean if a chica wants to be with you? Are you forgetting that these are hookers and they are doing this as a job and not for romance?

So at your job where you assemble widgets, your boss's best friend tells him oh please, what other companies pay should not affect you. If Queens35 wants to assemble widgets, then he will take your price. I doubt if you are going to the job everyday for your love of assembling widgets, but in reality to put a roof over your family's head and food in their mouths. And should your boss only offer you half of the pay that you are accustomed to getting then you would tell him to go fuck himself and look for work elsewhere, the same as the hooker is capable of doing.

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1911465]It seems some mongers have a small bit of a heart and / or soul remaining, LOL. I have to admit, when I hear some of these low prices offered to me, I feel extremely guilty, almost like I'm exploiting the chica. 20 k pesos is an insanely small amount of money, it amounts to $6.83 at the the present exchange rate. Doubling that means you paid a bank breaking $13.66.[/QUOTE]Why would you feel guilty? If that is the price then that is the price. When you walk into a clothing store and they have a sale for 50% off the summer stock do you also feel guilty and offer them the full price?

On the other side of the coin, do you go to places that are more expensive than the place you came from and tell them how exorbitant their prices are? I thought the whole idea of traveling for P4P was because it is way cheaper than the place you came from. I wouldn't travel to London or Tokyo for P4P that would cost me half as much back home.

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1911465]So be careful with those rock-bottom prices as desperate girls with addictions have weak immune systems, and you can end up with a "souvenir" from your trip if you BB with these types of girls.[/QUOTE]I remember STD day when I went into the Navy. They showed us a video of a guy with cauliflower dick and a chick with cherry pie pussy. At the end of the video was a fine ass naked chick; looked like a model. Just so happened that she had herpes but you could not see it. There was one fine bump inside of her va-jayjay.

The point was that you should be careful with everybody, not just those you suspect may have a weak immune system. Because diseases are no respecters of persons. A 1 million peso chick can have the same disease that a 20K peso chick can have. Anybody can get anything.
[QUOTE=Phunluv;1911465]Now putting aside all that, I never use the word propina with the girls. If they treat me right, I give them something extra. I always tell them "para su familia" "for your family" as I'm trying to set in their mind it's an occasional gift, not a tip for service. If I give extra, it's at the first time I session with a girl (because I want to encourage her to see me again) and at the end of my trip.[/QUOTE]I am not fucking her family. Why would I be sending them money? Also, why would you need to encourage a hooker to see you again? If you have money and she needs money then she will see you again. You don't have to give McDonald's extra money so that they will serve you more delicious hamburgers the next time you go there. That is their job. That is what they do. You don't have to pay extra to encourage them to fire up the grill on your next visit.

Fellas!

Stop bickering. Its pointless!

Its OK to pay what you feel is appropriate. Being nice, polite and generous pays dividends in the bed with the ladies no matter occupation. These females are not in a union nor do they have a commission that sets price. Most of these women do not know each other. A few dates of "over-paying" is not going to set the new standard price.

If you have not already noticed prices vary all over the city from casas to walkers.

A hooker is a hooker but they have eyes, hearts and emotions too. Yes! If she is attracted to you physically or mentally your mileage will be much higher than the fellas who make no connection. It is a job to them but that doesn't guarantee you a damn thing.

I'm in town for that week. Is it business as usual or does everything shutdown?

I like Phunluv's point about requesting tips. If a girl explicitly asks me for a tip, I won't give her one. If her service is exceptional and she doesn't beg or whine, I generally will give her one.

Last visit in April, I was with a Mansion girl that told me to stick it in her ass and come in her mouth (not typical for MDE). She didn't ask me for a tip, but I was happy to give her more than the customary 150 K pesos.

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1911465]It seems some mongers have a small bit of a heart and / or soul remaining, LOL. I have to admit, when I hear some of these low prices offered to me, I feel extremely guilty, almost like I'm exploiting the chica. 20 k pesos is an insanely small amount of money, it amounts to $6.83 at the the present exchange rate. Doubling that means you paid a bank breaking $13.66.[/QUOTE]You must remember that not all mongers on here are of the same financial status. For some mongers $13.66 US is a significant reduction to their bank account.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1911989]You must remember that not all mongers on here are of the same financial status. For some mongers $13.66 US is a significant reduction to their bank account.[/QUOTE]Most of us here are traveling mongers who don't live in our favorite hunting grounds. So given that, if $13.66 US would be a significant hit to somebody's bottom line, then that's somebody who definitely should not be traveling abroad to monger! That would say to me that you really can't afford to be doing what you're doing overseas, which is traveling to procure pussy.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1912110]Most of us here are traveling mongers who don't live in our favorite hunting grounds. So given that, if $13.66 US would be a significant hit to somebody's bottom line, then that's somebody who definitely should not be traveling abroad to monger! That would say to me that you really can't afford to be doing what you're doing overseas, which is traveling to procure pussy.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

Plane fare, hotel, food and other expenditures, if 14 bucks is all you can afford for women, stay home and use your hand.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1912223]Agreed.

Plane fare, hotel, food and other expenditures, if 14 bucks is all you can afford for women, stay home and use your hand.[/QUOTE]I believe Turgid was trying to post a joke, not a very good one though in my opinion.

I thought I'd share some tips to take a few day trips from Medellin. After all, mongers need [B]something[/B] to do while they're recharging from the previous night's action, right? Apologies in advance if all of this is redundant or boring. Note: prices mentioned were current as of November 2015:

1) Taking a day trip to Guatape and Penon de Guatape / Piedra del Penol: take the Metro to the Caribe station. When you leave the station, the bus terminal (Terminal del Norte) will be on the right (you can't miss it). Go to window 14 inside the terminal and buy a ticket to Guatape (12,500 COP). Your bus will be parked in the space number written on your ticket. Buses leave at the top of the hour and it takes two hours to get to La Piedra. Your bus driver will call out "La Piedra" and will stop at the Zeuss gas station if you want to get off. Walk up the steep, short road to La Piedra and buy your entry ticket (12,000 COP). Climb 659 steps to the top of La Piedra (not suggested if you are in poor health). The best views are from the top of the mirador and you will have to climb an additional 75 steps. When done, walk down the steps to the parking lot. Moto-taxis (tuk-tuks) are ready to take you to Guatape for several thousand COP (I was quoted 10,000 COP but negotiated down to 8,000 COP). The tuk-tuk ride to Guatape takes about 10 minutes. When done exploring Guatape, buy your bus ticket back to Medellin at the small ticket stand next to La Fogata restaurant (12,500 COP for another two-hour ride). Buses leave at the bottom of the hour. (Note: if you accidentally get off the bus in Penol before you get to La Piedra, simply get on another red bus heading towards La Piedra and pay the driver 2,000 COP.

2) Taking a day trip to Jardin: take a taxi to Terminal del Sur bus station. Go to window 33 and buy a ticket to Jardin (21,000 COP) with Transportes Suroeste Antioqueno. Get on the bus and ride 3 hours to Jardin. The bus will stop at their small station in Jardin on Calle 8. Immediately buy your return ticket (21,000 COP) for the afternoon. At the cable car station (can't miss it), buy a round-trip ticket (5,000 COP) and ride the cable car up and down Cerro Cristo Rey for amazing views of Jardin. Visit the church and buy souvenir candies at Dulces del Jardin. When it is time, ride the bus 3 hours back to Medellin.

3) Taking a day trip to Santa Fe de Antioquia: take the Metro to Caribe station. When you leave the station, the bus terminal (Terminal del Norte) will be on the right (you can't miss it). Go to window 13 and buy a ticket to Santa Fe (14,000 COP). Get on the bus and ride 1 1/2 hours to Santa Fe. When you arrive in Santa Fe, buy your return ticket at the Terminal de Transporte (10,000 COP) located two blocks downhill behind the big church on the Plaza Mayor. When time, ride the bus 1 1/2 hours back to Medellin.

And I think I mentioned before:

4) No, you do not need a prescription to buy Sildenafil (Viagra and generic Viagra) at pharmacies in Medellin. At Pasteur Farmacia, 2 tablets of 50 MG Viagra = 58,700 COP, while 1 tablet of 100 MG Viagra = 25,000 COP. 2 tablets of generic 50 MG Viagra is 5,600 COP or 18,000 COP (depends on the manufacturer). 1 tablet of generic 100 MG Viagra = 5,900 COP (manufactured by Genfar and sold as "Sildenafilo" in a small red and white box).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1911771]What do you mean if a chica wants to be with you? Are you forgetting that these are hookers and they are doing this as a job and not for romance?

So at your job where you assemble widgets, your boss's best friend tells him oh please, what other companies pay should not affect you. If Queens35 wants to assemble widgets, then he will take your price. I doubt if you are going to the job everyday for your love of assembling widgets, but in reality to put a roof over your family's head and food in their mouths. And should your boss only offer you half of the pay that you are accustomed to getting then you would tell him to go fuck himself and look for work elsewhere, the same as the hooker is capable of doing.[/QUOTE]I usually like your posts Enternational but I think you are wrong here. Here's my point of view:

If I do a good job at work, I get a bonus. The day after I receive that bonus, I am so excited I end up working a lot harder. I think the same thing applies to working girls. Consider it a bonus rather than a tip. The OP was planning on repeating and gave her a bonus. I would be very surprised if the second day wasn't better than the first day.

As for the people complaining about price increases, if I pay a USD $6. 80 bonus after receiving PSE the GFE and plan to take the girl again, this will not increase the price in the long term. As mentioned, there is no chica union. I think the price is more about supply and demand. If there is pussy everywhere, and very few guys looking, the price will be cheaper. If everyone keeps reading about people complaining about paying more than $7 for pussy, then the streets will be filled with mongers all trying to get a piece in turn driving the prices higher. An even bigger factor on price is just the economy of a country in general. If suddenly the Colombian economy was booming and businesses and factories were popping up everywhere, more girls would be working in these jobs rather than working on the street. Maybe these are just the ramblings of a capitalist.

You put it all in perspective. LOL!

[QUOTE=Combo;1911862]I like Phunluv's point about requesting tips. If a girl explicitly asks me for a tip, I won't give her one. If her service is exceptional and she doesn't beg or whine, I generally will give her one.

Last visit in April, I was with a Mansion girl that told me to stick it in her ass and come in her mouth (not typical for MDE). She didn't ask me for a tip, but I was happy to give her more than the customary 150 K pesos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1911771]What do you mean if a chica wants to be with you? Are you forgetting that these are hookers and they are doing this as a job and not for romance?

So at your job where you assemble widgets, your boss's best friend tells him oh please, what other companies pay should not affect you. If Queens35 wants to assemble widgets, then he will take your price. I doubt if you are going to the job everyday for your love of assembling widgets, but in reality to put a roof over your family's head and food in their mouths. And should your boss only offer you half of the pay that you are accustomed to getting then you would tell him to go fuck himself and look for work elsewhere, the same as the hooker is capable of doing.[/QUOTE]Typical response from a monger who objectifies the chicas as cum dumpsters.

If you don't think a chica can choose you then you have never had a session where the chica actually wants to bang you.

I like to see guys comparing sex work to working at a supermarket or a factory.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1911989]You must remember that not all mongers on here are of the same financial status. For some mongers $13.66 US is a significant reduction to their bank account.[/QUOTE]I would guess the vast majority here make a very good living. Most could "afford" to pay each chica 1,000,000 pesos ($350) or more. Obviously we don't because that would be stupid.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1912327]Typical response from a monger who objectifies the chicas as cum dumpsters.

If you don't think a chica can choose you then you have never had a session where the chica actually wants to bang you.

I like to see guys comparing sex work to working at a supermarket or a factory.[/QUOTE]If you think a 20 year old chick actually WANTS to fuck a 70 year old man then you are dumber than dumb can be. If she WANTS to do it that bad, then she would be doing it for free. (And point to the post where I refered to anyone as a cum dumpster. Save your time, because I have never thought nor said such a thing.).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1912339]If you think a 20 year old chick actually WANTS to fuck a 70 year old man then you are dumber than dumb can be. If she WANTS to do it that bad, then she would be doing it for free. (And point to the post where I refered to anyone as a cum dumpster. Save your time, because I have never thought nor said such a thing.).[/QUOTE]I'm not 70, and I don't look for 20 year olds. I assume that you are speaking about / for yourself. I'm 40 but I look younger. And I choose chicas between late 20's to mid 30's.

It's still a job, but most (except for the desperate/addicted ones) do ask or try to screen potential johns. You'd be surprised that they ask about us to others who may know us.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1910968]Who wants the unlearned coming to screw up the best thing about Medellin as they have done in numerous other places around the globe? Guys please avoid downtown. It is much too dangerous there. Poblado is much more comfortable. There is no reason to leave there. It is just like or in some cases better than home.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Parkinsons;1910978]Haha true that. On second thought, centro is full of local people who will look at you all weird and stuff, probably casing you for a robbery later. Don't go there.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dcfan77;1910988]It's super dangerous. Do not go there..[/QUOTE]LMFAO. Yeah I cosign with all of that.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1911237] I opened up my umbrella and started walking around again and came upon a thin woman about thirty years old with a pretty face and beautiful eyes. We talked for a bit and she told me she was available for 20,000 Pesos. I found her desirable and wasn't going to be breaking the bank so I said let's go.....

If you can spend time in El Centro during the day, are not an obvious gringo (blond hair / blue eyes), can understand and speak some Spanish, and are not afraid to approach women in Public, El Centro is the place to be, at least for me. Poblado / Parque Lleras is a great area to stay in, but I don't waste my time looking for women there.[/QUOTE]Yeah. That's the beauty of El Centro. Good luck finding instant access to Paisa pootang like that in Poblado or Laureles.

I once left the hotel one night with my wingman to go hunting. Within 10 min I found a girl smoking weed with her friends in front of the museum. I had her back to my hotel in 5 min after. 20 years old and hot. All for the 30 k.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1912327]Typical response from a monger who objectifies the chicas as cum dumpsters.

If you don't think a chica can choose you then you have never had a session where the chica actually wants to bang you.

I like to see guys comparing sex work to working at a supermarket or a factory.[/QUOTE]Some guys here need to be the authority and you are dealing w / the president of that club. Now that I think about it, it's a one man club.

You cannot win or convince someone like this to be reasonable. Mr E has his game and if you play different you are inferior.

I tend to keep him on the ignore but I know he is a smart guy too so I give it another try.

Then he does the same thing all over again so it's back to ignore for him. You, I and most others here.

Know we are not dealing w / things. It's too bad some here are so cold. It is what it is.

$13 or $14 is one thing. $13 or $14 every day or at least three or four times a week, could add up for many ex-pats. Probably not most, but many. Here you can see the difference between people from the US with one or two weeks of vacation vs. everyone else in the civilized world with at least four. If you have four or six weeks of vacation a year, you have to think more about costs than if you are the average US citizen whose time is more valuable than his money, relatively speaking and as compared to Europeans, Australians, etc.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1911774] If you have money and she needs money then she will see you again. You don't have to give McDonald's extra money so that they will serve you more delicious hamburgers the next time you go there. That is their job. That is what they do. You don't have to pay extra to encourage them to fire up the grill on your next visit.[/QUOTE]Good to reflect on exactly your point, if for nothing other than a check and balance. We all know prices have jumped. Some of this might be attributable to the non-tipping asian mongers. Did prices go up to make up for them? I dk. But I've scaled back excessive tipping and nothing changed. I've not tipped and nothing changed. The not tipped category was when they did at least what was expected, in the time allowed or less and weren't sticking around to see the sunrise. Everyone did what they agreed to.

And.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1912327]If you don't think a chica can choose you then you have never had a session where the chica actually wants to bang you..[/QUOTE]Oh yeah! Extra special.

I spent the afternoon in El Centro yesterday and as always try to stay under the radar. I can pass for a Colombian looks wise most of the time until I start speaking in my very broken Spanish, There where lots of tourists with guides around the Statues and I did see some other obvious gringo mongers talking with the street girls around the Church. As usual there where some guys wearing shorts which immediately puts a target on their backs.

To stay under the radar when I'm in El Centro I dress like everyone else wearing blue jeans and a T-shirt. A dead giveaway to an identify an extranjero (foreigner) in El Centro besides their looks (blond hair / blue eyes) is if they are wearing sunglasses or have a bottle of water with them. This may seem odd but if you look around, most of the time you won't see any Colombian men wearing sunglasses let alone a Colombian who is going to pay for a bottle of water.

When I'm in Cali in the Red Light district there's a SW named Gloria, who's always out there everyday (except Sunday, I guess she goes to church). I go with her all the time. She charges 25 K, room included in the price. But she does a deepthroat to die for, I mean she takes it all in. I always give her a tip, anywhere from 5 K to 10 K. She used to say, Oh Papi you didn't have to do that. Now she sez, Gracias Papi when I give her a tip. Ages: I'm 70, she's probably about 35. Where this fits into the discussion I don't know.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;1912429]Good to reflect on exactly your point, if for nothing other than a check and balance. We all know prices have jumped. Some of this might be attributable to the non-tipping asian mongers. Did prices go up to make up for them? [/QUOTE]Two years ago the exchange rate was roughly 2000 COP /1 USD. In February of this year it was 3350/1 and is now at 2950/1. Of course prices are going to go up.

Fortunately, the PPI (Pussy Price Index) lags behind the currency trading. If it tracked with it, the 20 k pussy from 2014 would have been 33.5 k in February (and we know price never comes down.

From the tourist perspective, the price really hasn't changed. If the girls who were charging 20 k are now charging 30 k, you're paying $10.17 instead of $10. Adjust for inflation and you're paying about $9. 50.

The women have to eat. When the local currency falls that far, everything costs them more. That 20 k doesn't buy as many arepas as it used to, so prices have to go up.

Unless you're seeing a bigger price increase than 50%, the price hasn't changed. Before, pulling 300 k COP from the ATM cost you $150 USD, now it costs you $100. In simpler terms, if prices stayed the same, for what you used to spend for 2 sessions, you would now be getting 3 sessions.

The downside is that if the peso strengthens and gets back to 2000/1, the prices won't come back down.

This was my second time in Medellin and loved it. However I stayed for 9 days which is a little to long for 1 city for me at least but overall good experience. Below are notes that I can recollect from my memory as I didn't write anything down.

Transportation.

Taxi- Medellin International to Poblado 65 k, to Envigado 70 k. Increase from last year.

Bus- Airport Shuttle 9 k. Not sure if increased as I didn't use it last year.

Taxi- meters start at 2700 pesos day or night.

Bus- 1900-2100 pesos depending on which bus. Increase from last year I noticed. Poblado bus to Metro was 1000. You can also get a transfer either on to the train or if coming off the metro get that transfer for a bus for a extra 100.

Metro- I think a ride starts at 2000 pesos however you can get a free Civica card in which you can add credits. This saves a lot of time as they don't have ticket machines and you still have to buy a ticket at the booth. You can only get the Civica card in certain stations. San Antonio is where I got mines and best to go in the morning. Copy of passport, local address, local cell phone was needed however I hear that if you missing either you can still get it.

Money.

I only used the ATM, never used cambio due to poor rates and a fear of counterfeit bills. Bancolombia and Davienda I was able to get 200 USD out in one transaction.

Pussy.

1. Jade Spa, went in and 1 girl was available so I asked will there be more the lady said yes. I came back later and 4 girls present but she said she wanted 20 k for viewing. I said no and left. Might have came back but other options.

2. Found a girl from mil eroticos. 150 k charge to my apartment. I can't remember if the pic was her or not or her name. She was young, thin, tall with heels. Fair skin, cute face, A cup chest, not a flat ass but nothing to brag about either. Performance was OK, not mechanical but not great. She works out of a incall apartment and charges maybe 80-90 k there. I lost 100 USD bill and still unsure if this * snatched it or if it fell out of my a wallet or pocket the day before.

3. Went to ThaiSpa. Line up showed 5 girls. 2 met I liked a lot 2 could get it. The last 1 wasn't feeling her. I chose Laura. White skin and black hair, pretty face, short, nice ass and tits. 160 K for 1 hour including oil massage. This girl was truly into sex. Started off with cbg but got BBJ halfway into it. Fucked in all position. No anal. She swallowed as well. Got her Whatsapp number and tried to set up something for later but no response. Definitely would repeat with her. Note if you go to this place and not take a girl they do charge 20 K for that which is listed on the bottom of the menu. You have to pay first as well.

4. Went to San Diego Show, this was on a Tuesday night. I think they charge 30 k entrance which includes 3 beers. The girls come off stage and ask for tips but you don't have too. I saw a couple chicks in there that definitely wouldn't bang. I'm sure if I went on a Fri or Sat probably better chicks but whatever. You can either take out or dine in. Didn't check on prices though.

5. Found a girl from mil eroticos. She worked for Escorts Fantasia agency. Name is Valeria. 200 k delivery. The pictures was accurate however didn't show a face. She tall, fat ass, a cup, black hair white skin. She took a taxi and the taxi couldn't find my apartment so she didn't get here until maybe 1 hour or more after my call. Once she got here she needed money for the taxi. I said that's not extra and comes out of the 200 k. She comes back up we get to business. Nothing much to talk about. Busted a nut that's about it. Definitely wouldn't repeat. A little while after she left the agency did contact me and asked how was the service. I let them know it was wack and definitely not worth the price. Tried to get another chick at discount rate but didn't work LOL. I seen chicks on that site go up into the 300 k. They probably cater to gringos only or rich Colombians as there site is both in English and espanol.

6. Found a girl from mil erocitos. Her name was Pilar and had a incall promotion of 90 k but opted for delivery 150 k. Chat with her via whatsapp and she was prompt to respond. Got here and got to business. Short white skin, dirty blonde or brown hair. Pink nipples. Nice ass. Small chest. Fucked me really good. No anal. Would I repeat maybe at her incall.

7. Went to Abydos. 3 girls present took the 3rd. 1 hour 140 k She was brown skin, black hair, really pretty face, bolt on tits. Nice ass. Got a BS massage and average performance. I think this session would have been better if I took the 30 min option. This place is nice and I would come back.

Summary.

I'm sure I could have banged more girls but I was also doing a lot of non mongering things. The weather is really to my liking minus the 3 or 4 days it rained. I really like this city a lot and envision more trips. Next trip will probably do more hoes, try some incalls, do some stuff outside the city, definitely a great and innovative city.

[QUOTE=Queens35;1912327]Typical response from a monger who objectifies the chicas as cum dumpsters.

If you don't think a chica can choose you then you have never had a session where the chica actually wants to bang you.

I like to see guys comparing sex work to working at a supermarket or a factory.[/QUOTE]Totally agree amigo!

I don't tip hoping for better service next time, I tip because I see these girls as people.

Living, breathing people.

When a girl treats me well, goes beyond just the boom boom and I feel her as good person, I tip.

I'm not ridiculous about it, and I speak good Spanish, and I let her know why I'm tipping.

Nothing wrong with helping a person out in this world, especially a good hearted person, with whom we all meet, or hope to meet in this hobby, at least I do anyway.

And I don't really care what the non-tippers say to be honest.

That's just how they feel and it's their opinion.

And you're absolutely right.

Any guy can choose a working chica, however, she can certainly choose how exactly she's going to go about the session.

I'll take the cariñosa every time!

Peace.

[QUOTE=RLTeddy;1912644]She took a taxi and the taxi couldn't find my apartment so she didn't get here until maybe 1 hour or more after my call. Once she got here she needed money for the taxi. I said that's not extra and comes out of the 200 k. A little while after she left the agency did contact me and asked how was the service. I let them know it was wack and definitely not worth the price. Tried to get another chick at discount rate but didn't work LOL.[/QUOTE]I like your damn style! It seems many guys would have just included taxi money and considered it a tip. Biitch it ain't my job to get you back and forth to work. Take the bus or walk for all I care. How many of these big hearted guys would pay a taxi for their maid or gardner to get back and forth to work everyday?

[QUOTE=Balboa;1912800]Nothing wrong with helping a person out in this world, especially a good hearted person, with whom we all meet, or hope to meet in this hobby, at least I do anyway.[/QUOTE]I agree. But would you be helping said person out if they were not fucking you? Or is it just a form of kissing their ass because they did fuck you? My wallet has never been connected to neither my dick nor my heart.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1912815]I agree. But would you be helping said person out if they were not fucking you? Or is it just a form of kissing their ass because they did fuck you? My wallet has never been connected to neither my dick nor my heart.[/QUOTE]Well that's you amigo, and I respect your opinion.

I help a girl / person, however, because I want to, whether we've had sex or not.

I just do it naturally, not to kiss ass, I'm not that complicated.

I just do it if it feels right, and I don't if it doesn't.

Simple.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1912815]I agree. But would you be helping said person out if they were not fucking you? Or is it just a form of kissing their ass because they did fuck you? My wallet has never been connected to neither my dick nor my heart. [/QUOTE]I and others on this board have shared how they interact with Chicas and I believe you have helped Chicas out in the past but your posts on this subject suggest you haven't.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1912618]Two years ago the exchange rate was roughly 2000 COP /1 USD. In February of this year it was 3350/1 and is now at 2950/1. Of course prices are going to go up.

Fortunately, the PPI (Pussy Price Index) lags behind the currency trading. If it tracked with it, the 20 k pussy from 2014 would have been 33.5 k in February (and we know price never comes down.

From the tourist perspective, the price really hasn't changed. If the girls who were charging 20 k are now charging 30 k, you're paying $10.17 instead of $10. Adjust for inflation and you're paying about $9. 50.

The women have to eat. When the local currency falls that far, everything costs them more. That 20 k doesn't buy as many arepas as it used to, so prices have to go up.

Unless you're seeing a bigger price increase than 50%, the price hasn't changed. Before, pulling 300 k COP from the ATM cost you $150 USD, now it costs you $100. In simpler terms, if prices stayed the same, for what you used to spend for 2 sessions, you would now be getting 3 sessions.

The downside is that if the peso strengthens and gets back to 2000/1, the prices won't come back down.[/QUOTE]This analysis assumes everything consumed in Colombia comes from the US, which is obviously not the case. If everything she buys is from the US (and thus priced in dollars), yes, things should go up virtually in sync with the Peso going down. However, if she consumes things with only Colombian inputs or things from countries whose currencies haven't appreciated versus the Peso, the exchange rate with the US dollar means nothing.

While Colombia does trade with the US, it's not a significant portion of their economy. Inflation has peaked in the last year (around 7% I believe). But in general, consumer products haven't gone up nearly as much as the depreciation vs the US Dollar.

Your last point is very valid, at least for venues where the customer is mostly Gringos. If and when the Peso strengthens to where it was, prices won't come back down to make up for it. However, if it's a venue with mostly Colombia clientele, they never would have increased significantly anyway.

IMO, what we should be thinking of is (roughly) what the locals pay. Of course most of us can afford to pay several times that, but the consequences of doing so aren't good.

Only problem is that when the dollar gets weak against Colombian Peso in the future, the prices is Colombia do not go down for that.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1912618]Two years ago the exchange rate was roughly 2000 COP /1 USD. In February of this year it was 3350/1 and is now at 2950/1. Of course prices are going to go up.

Fortunately, the PPI (Pussy Price Index) lags behind the currency trading. If it tracked with it, the 20 k pussy from 2014 would have been 33.5 k in February (and we know price never comes down.

From the tourist perspective, the price really hasn't changed. If the girls who were charging 20 k are now charging 30 k, you're paying $10.17 instead of $10. Adjust for inflation and you're paying about $9. 50.

The women have to eat. When the local currency falls that far, everything costs them more. That 20 k doesn't buy as many arepas as it used to, so prices have to go up.

Unless you're seeing a bigger price increase than 50%, the price hasn't changed. Before, pulling 300 k COP from the ATM cost you $150 USD, now it costs you $100. In simpler terms, if prices stayed the same, for what you used to spend for 2 sessions, you would now be getting 3 sessions.

The downside is that if the peso strengthens and gets back to 2000/1, the prices won't come back down.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;1912835]This analysis assumes everything consumed in Colombia comes from the US, which is obviously not the case. If everything she buys is from the US (and thus priced in dollars), yes, things should go up virtually in sync with the Peso going down. However, if she consumes things with only Colombian inputs or things from countries whose currencies haven't appreciated versus the Peso, the exchange rate with the US dollar means nothing.

While Colombia does trade with the US, it's not a significant portion of their economy. Inflation has peaked in the last year (around 7% I believe). But in general, consumer products haven't gone up nearly as much as the depreciation vs the US Dollar.

Your last point is very valid, at least for venues where the customer is mostly Gringos. If and when the Peso strengthens to where it was, prices won't come back down to make up for it. However, if it's a venue with mostly Colombia clientele, they never would have increased significantly anyway.

IMO, what we should be thinking of is (roughly) what the locals pay. Of course most of us can afford to pay several times that, but the consequences of doing so aren't good.[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly, the Colombian Peso is directly tied to the US dollar. If grocery prices, rent prices, utility prices haven't come up in the last 2 years they soon will. Just a quick check and it looks like the Colombian CPI has been rising steadily the past 2 years, up about 15% and still rising. It's not instantaneous, but the prices will always follow the exchange rate, except the price for pussy never comes back down.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1912866]If I recall correctly, the Colombian Peso is directly tied to the US dollar. If grocery prices, rent prices, utility prices haven't come up in the last 2 years they soon will. Just a quick check and it looks like the Colombian CPI has been rising steadily the past 2 years, up about 15% and still rising. It's not instantaneous, but the prices will always follow the exchange rate, except the price for pussy never comes back down.[/QUOTE]The Colombian Peso is most definitely not tied to the US Dollar. Not sure where you get that information.

I trade FX for a living and have done so for almost 20 years. Prices do not always follow the exchange rate. They sometimes do (at least to a certain agree) and they sometimes do not at all. As I explained before, it depends largely on how significant the trade is between the two countries. If Colombia imported all consumer goods and services from the US, consumer prices would indeed (very closely) follow the exchange rate. That's obviously not the case.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1912814]I like your damn style! It seems many guys would have just included taxi money and considered it a tip. Biitch it ain't my job to get you back and forth to work. Take the bus or walk for all I care. How many of these big hearted guys would pay a taxi for their maid or gardner to get back and forth to work everyday?[/QUOTE]I mean, it's not like she HAS to come and see you if that's her only options (take the bus or walk for all you care), LOL. You're talking like she is showing up for a 9-5 or something.

Most guys won't let their egos admit this, but these chicas are not DYING fuck you. You'd be getting it for free if that were the case.

If you are on whatsapp with a chica and you tell her that of her 150k you are deducting whatever her taxi costs from it, and I hit her up at the same time and tell her "no problem" in paying for her taxi, guess who's getting the pussy that day?

Hell, maybe she can use the money I give her to help pay for her taxi to finally come and see you AFTER I've blown my load in her mouth and pussy a few times 🤔.

[QUOTE=Combo;1912878]The Colombian Peso is most definitely not tied to the US Dollar. Not sure where you get that information.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure either. Something I read a few years back which I can't find now and can't recall, but one bit of wrong, or improperly understood information stuck.

[QUOTE]I trade FX for a living and have done so for almost 20 years. Prices do not always follow the exchange rate. They sometimes do (at least to a certain agree) and they sometimes do not at all. As I explained before, it depends largely on how significant the trade is between the two countries. If Colombia imported all consumer goods and services from the US, consumer prices would indeed (very closely) follow the exchange rate. That's obviously not the case.[/QUOTE]Which doesn't change much. If you're converting USD to COP, an increase in price doesn't equal an increase in cost. If you're converting other currencies it depends on the strength of your currency compared to COP.

P4 P prices don't immediately follow the CPI. Other prices follow a fairly smooth curve, at least when looked at over a 5 year period. P4 P prices stay constant, while other prices rise, then it jumps up, 20 k doesn't go up 143 pesos one month and 97 the next. Instead it jumps to 25 k, then 30 k. If you graph it out, relating the P4 P index to the CPI, they start out equal (P4 P price provides a baseline standard of living at the starting CPI). As CPI goes up, P4 P doesn't, so standard of living goes down. At some point the price jumps and now P4 P price means a standard of living above the baseline. CPI catches up and passes until P4 P price jumps again. Every time prices jump up at any monger destination it's the same complaints and the same finger pointing, but nobody considers the P4 P price had not changed for 3-5 years.

Asian tourists and overtipping gringos don't control the prices, unless there are enough of them to exceed the local supply.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1913135]
Most guys won't let their egos admit this, but these chicas are not DYING fuck you. You'd be getting it for free if that were the case.[/QUOTE]Meant to say "not DYING [b]to[/b] fuck you".

[QUOTE=Combo;1912878]If Colombia imported all consumer goods and services from the US, consumer prices would indeed (very closely) follow the exchange rate. That's obviously not the case.[/QUOTE]Correct. Inflation is influenced by the change in the amount of goods and services, natural disaster, economic condition, interest rates, change in welfare program, etc, in addition to Forex.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1912866]If I recall correctly, the Colombian Peso is directly tied to the US dollar..[/QUOTE]Not at all.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1913135]I mean, it's not like she HAS to come and see you if that's her only options (take the bus or walk for all you care), LOL. You're talking like she is showing up for a 9-5 or something.

Most guys won't let their egos admit this, but these chicas are not DYING fuck you. You'd be getting it for free if that were the case.

If you are on whatsapp with a chica and you tell her that of her 150k you are deducting whatever her taxi costs from it, and I hit her up at the same time and tell her "no problem" in paying for her taxi, guess who's getting the pussy that day?

Hell, maybe she can use the money I give her to help pay for her taxi to finally come and see you AFTER I've blown my load in her mouth and pussy a few times 🤔.[/QUOTE]Hey bro,

Where did you get that big booty woman can you help me out I'm coming to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1912595]A dead giveaway to an identify an extranjero (foreigner) in El Centro besides their looks (blond hair / blue eyes) is if they are wearing sunglasses or have a bottle of water with them. This may seem odd but if you look around, most of the time you won't see any Colombian men wearing sunglasses let alone a Colombian who is going to pay for a bottle of water.[/QUOTE]That is a truism to the fullest extent, sunglasses and to pay for a bottle of water. With my size and statue and color of my eyes ANY and I mean ANY even blind Colombian can spot me from a hundred meters away.

Guys know this, even if we looked like an average Colombian man, 5'7" tall, brown eyes, etc just the way we walk in itself is a dead giveaway. Fact is we carry ourselves much different than the average Colombian. IMHO.

TTM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1912814] Biitch it ain't my job to get you back and forth to work. Take the bus or walk for all I care. How many of these big hearted guys would pay a taxi for their maid or gardner to get back and forth to work everyday?[/QUOTE]I think its an outgrowth of the dating culture. Girls always expect the guy to pick up the cab fare when out on a date. Many of the chicas I see are not hardened pros but just earning a few extra bucks, so its not illogical for them to ask for taxi money. I don't hold it against them. Most of the time they ask me before coming over if I will pay for taxi. Remember the typical puta in Medellin is only making $50-60 to coming over and has to fuck a fat old wrinkly gringo.

My Tigo cap keeps my auto tint glasses from going dark, does that help? LOL!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1913236]That is a truism to the fullest extent, sunglasses and to pay for a bottle of water. With my size and statue and color of my eyes ANY and I mean ANY even blind Colombian can spot me from a hundred meters away.

Guys know this, even if we looked like an average Colombian man, 5'7" tall, brown eyes, etc just the way we walk in itself is a dead giveaway. Fact is we carry ourselves much different than the average Colombian. IMHO.

TTM.[/QUOTE]

I quite like the special effect of the girl's tit movement blurred in the photo. Nice job!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1913135]I mean, it's not like she HAS to come and see you if that's her only options (take the bus or walk for all you care), LOL. You're talking like she is showing up for a 9-5 or something.

Most guys won't let their egos admit this, but these chicas are not DYING fuck you. You'd be getting it for free if that were the case.

If you are on whatsapp with a chica and you tell her that of her 150k you are deducting whatever her taxi costs from it, and I hit her up at the same time and tell her "no problem" in paying for her taxi, guess who's getting the pussy that day?

Hell, maybe she can use the money I give her to help pay for her taxi to finally come and see you AFTER I've blown my load in her mouth and pussy a few times 🤔.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1912834]I and others on this board have shared how they interact with Chicas and I believe you have helped Chicas out in the past but your posts on this subject suggest you haven't.[/QUOTE]Surf, I don't even help free chicas out. Helping paid ones out is really out of the question. The chick in Puerto Plata that I have been dealing with for 9 years always says how I never give her anything. And that is how I know 100% that she is with me for being me. Because after 9 years of getting nothing but dick then she would surely be gone if she was not. But anytime I roll into Puerto Plata I can send her a message and she will come straight away.

I will admit that one of my nonP4 P chicks in Peru stole my cell phone once and ran up $400 in calls on it. I thought I had lost the phone or that the hotel maid had stolen it. But when I went online and saw the calls were to her hometown I knew it was her. Her excuse was that she did it because I never give her anything. After that we had a hiatus for a couple of years, but are back to dealing with each other.

I am in Manila now and the chick who is in my bed at the moment is a nonP4 P chick that I have been dealing with for 5 years. A few months ago her place burned down. She didn't ask for anything and I didn't give her anything.

These days if chicks start asking for things then I just show them a copy of my student loans and say if I help you who is going to help me. They are always in disbelief when they see a number so large and that stops them from asking for shit.

The truth of the matter is that I deal with so many women that it would be impossible for me to help everyone (even though most of the nonP4 P ones don't ask for anything anyway). I have been in the Philippines since Wednesday night and have dealt with 3 non pay chicks. Now that is not how many I know or deal with, but only how many I have had time for. In Dominican Republic I deal with at least 10 non pay chicks. 6 in Peru. 3 in Colombia. And god knows how many in Thailand. How the hell could I help over 30 chicks out? I can't and I don't even try to.

Now if it is something to my benefit (I don't view just getting to fuck her as something to my benefit) then yes I have wiggle room for that. For instance if a chick is coming from out of town or has to drive to see me and I know she does not have the money for gas. Or if it is time sensitive. Say she got off work at 5 and I am leaving town at 9 and I want her to hurry and make it to me, then I will pay for a taxi. But I must add that most of the chicks that I deal with are not P4 P and do not usually take taxis to begin with. If they do not have their own car then they usually take the bus. Asking me to pay for a taxi for them never even enters their head. Even when we go out together they will ask if I want to take a taxi or take the bus. Then as well if we are not in a hurry I will say that we can take the bus.

I have never really ordered a paid chica where she had to take a taxi to get to me. The paid chicas that I deal with I usually get at a house of ill repute, on the street, or from a disco. I have never gone to a website or found someone on facebook for outcall. I prefer to choose my P4 P chicks in person from a whole pool of them.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1913135]I mean, it's not like she HAS to come and see you if that's her only options (take the bus or walk for all you care), LOL. You're talking like she is showing up for a 9-5 or something.

Most guys won't let their egos admit this, but these chicas are not DYING fuck you. You'd be getting it for free if that were the case.

If you are on whatsapp with a chica and you tell her that of her 150k[/QUOTE]I guess we are looking at it 2 different ways. From my perspective it IS like she is showing up for a job. Is she going to fuck me if I don't give her 150K? Am I going to give her 150K if she does not fuck me? To me, she needs the 150K way more than I need to fuck her, so she should be breaking her neck to get to me any way she can. Click on a website and there are tons of women out there yearning for 150K. I doubt if her appointment book is overflowing with so many guys wanting to fuck for 150K that she won't be able to fit you in until Thursday at 2:30.

It seems you are looking at it as you are going to miss out on some pussy if you don't throw in some taxi money so she can get to you. I am looking at it as she is going to miss out on 150K if she don't get her ass over here however she sees fit.

Her eagerness to fuck me is not relevant when we are talking about a P4P situation. I understand 100% that she is coming because of the paper and have no illusions that she is showing up for the dick. I am sure she would accept the 150K just as well without the dick to go with it. Like you said, if she was dying to fuck me then I would be getting it for free.

Hello,

I am going to be in MDE (and surrounding environs) the last week in August. Plan on renting an AIRBNB in the Poblado area, near Parque Lleras. I can get by with Spanish. Not great. But am generally a pretty hardy traveler so I anticipate I will be able to navigate around MDE well.

I am looking to meet up with Chicas while there. Preferably TLN and daytime guides. Any advice on how to accomplish this? I am trying facebook, but if anyone can give me any "low hanging fruit" it would be appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Combo;1912878] If Colombia imported all consumer goods and services from the US, consumer prices would indeed (very closely) follow the exchange rate. That's obviously not the case.[/QUOTE]As you know, the idea that all consumer goods and services would be imported from the USA is nonsensical, and even if that were so, there are many other factors besides imports that would effect the exchange rate. Your example would require the Colombian government to manage the exchange rate so that the peso depreciates versus the dollar at about the same rate as the CPI, which won't happen. But I'm preaching to the choir.

For what it's worth, the consensus (average) forecast by analysts for CPI year-on-year change in the 2nd half of 2016 is 7%, and 4% and 3.9% in 2017 and 2018 respectively. And they think the peso will stay around 3100 to 3200 for the next few years. Anyway, if they're right, and sometimes they're very wrong, Colombian poontang will continue to be a bargain for the next few years.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;1913375]As you know, the idea that all consumer goods and services would be imported from the USA is nonsensical..[/QUOTE]The guy said that "if" all consumer goods and services would be imported from the USA, followed by "that's not the case."

[QUOTE=Tiny12;1913375]even if that were so, there are many other factors besides imports that would effect the exchange rate..[/QUOTE]Combo is talking about effects on price, not effects on exchange rate.

[QUOTE=Combo;1912878]The Colombian Peso is most definitely not tied to the US Dollar. Not sure where you get that information.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JjBee62;1913146]I'm not sure either. Something I read a few years back which I can't find now and can't recall, but one bit of wrong, or improperly understood information stuck.[/QUOTE]It wasn't Colombia, but Argentina. They did this in the 90's, I believe, and as you can imagine a very bad decision. This obviously no longer the case.

[QUOTE=DaStranger;1913645]It wasn't Colombia, but Argentina. They did this in the 90's, I believe, and as you can imagine a very bad decision. This obviously no longer the case.[/QUOTE]There are many countries that peg to the USD, including Hong Kong and Panama. Here is a chart.

[URL]http://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/061015/top-exchange-rates-pegged-us-dollar.asp[/URL]

Panamá, as well as Ecuador and El Salvador, have flat-out adopted the US dollar, and do not have their own currencies. That's not the same thing as a peg, which requires constant intervention in the currency markets to maintain the peg. Adopting the currency usually cures hyper-inflation but it also removes monetary policy as a tool for managing the economy, leaving only fiscal policy, which works much more slowly and inefficiently. Hong Kong has its own currency. Another country that has its own currency but allows it to circulate side by side with US dollars is The Bahamas.

Hey fellas,

Quick question.

How many of you have been down over the Christmas / New years holiday season? I mean I am quite sure Christmas and perhaps Christmas eve shit will be shut down. I'm wondering if it's noticeably it slower and practically a graveyard or business as usual? RTFF around that time last year but didn't see many reports.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1913871]Another country that has its own currency but allows it to circulate side by side with US dollars is The Bahamas.[/QUOTE]It's always a trip buying something there and getting mixed change currency in return.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1913885]Hey fellas,

Quick question.

How many of you have been down over the Christmas / New years holiday season? I mean I am quite sure Christmas and perhaps Christmas eve shit will be shut down. I'm wondering if it's noticeably it slower and practically a graveyard or business as usual? RTFF around that time last year but didn't see many reports.

It's always a trip buying something there and getting mixed change currency in return.[/QUOTE]I personally have never been during this time, but anecdotally I understand it to be a not so great time to be mongering. People are with there family and friends during the holidays. I would look to book your trip pre or post holiday season to get the best potential lineups.

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1913885]Hey fellas,

Quick question.

How many of you have been down over the Christmas / New years holiday season? I mean I am quite sure Christmas and perhaps Christmas eve shit will be shut down. I'm wondering if it's noticeably it slower and practically a graveyard or business as usual? RTFF around that time last year but didn't see many reports.

It's always a trip buying something there and getting mixed change currency in return.[/QUOTE]Nearly everything is shut down on Christmas, New years holidays, semana santa, and election day.

Christmas season is to be avoided for mongering in all Catholic countries. Early to mid-December can be good because they are desperate for money.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1913871]Panam, as well as Ecuador and El Salvador, have flat-out adopted the US dollar, and do not have their own currencies. That's not the same thing as a peg, which requires constant intervention in the currency markets to maintain the peg. Adopting the currency usually cures hyper-inflation but it also removes monetary policy as a tool for managing the economy, leaving only fiscal policy, which works much more slowly and inefficiently. Hong Kong has its own currency. Another country that has its own currency but allows it to circulate side by side with US dollars is The Bahamas.[/QUOTE]That's some good intel! Panama however has its own coins, which coincide with their US counterparts coin size & thickness so as not to be confused. When I was down there, I received 1/2 dollars, quarters, dimes, nickels & penny equivalents in their Balboa coinage!

[QUOTE=WorldJockey;1913885]Hey fellas,

Quick question.

How many of you have been down over the Christmas / New years holiday season? I mean I am quite sure Christmas and perhaps Christmas eve shit will be shut down. I'm wondering if it's noticeably it slower and practically a graveyard or business as usual? RTFF around that time last year but didn't see many reports.

It's always a trip buying something there and getting mixed change currency in return.[/QUOTE]I was there the first half of December last year and it was fun. I always stay at the mansion but I assume everywhere else is operating the same. Closer to Christmas time things might change but the first half of December was fine.

Medellin really gets into Christmas lights in the city and they close a big blvd (at night) and celebrate during December. Google Christmas in Medellin and you'll see what I mean. The chicas are all working because they need Christmas money for family and friends. Last year the city was doing some construction on the river so the Christmas lights extravaganza was not as grand as years past. I'm headed back in early December for another look.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1913973]Christmas season is to be avoided for mongering in all Catholic countries. Early to mid-December can be good because they are desperate for money.[/QUOTE]I was in Panama the day after Christmas straight thru new years. Business as usual. A lot of girls from Venezuela and Cuba defected and do not return to their home country. I was in Medellin just after new year and it was a non-stop party with plenty of action.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1913973]Christmas season is to be avoided for mongering in all Catholic countries. Early to mid-December can be good because they are desperate for money.[/QUOTE]There are exceptions to this general rule. La Feria de Cali runs between Christmas and New Year and IMO it's the absolute best time to be in Cali.

Also, Rio is pretty good that same week. New York's Eve in Rio is great (though expect high prices for lodging).

[QUOTE=GirlsLuvMe;1914267]I was in Panama the day after Christmas straight thru new years. Business as usual. A lot of girls from Venezuela and Cuba defected and do not return to their home country. I was in Medellin just after new year and it was a non-stop party with plenty of action.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I was there 12/26 thru 12/30 & as usual. So many chicas, so little time. Cafe Habanos was not as packed as it usually was, from what I heard, but that meant there weren't that many guys there either. There was a nice selection every night!

Going to Medellin for 2 days alone.

Obvious gringo and speak a bit of Spanish. Friday night where should I go out to meet Colombian girls?

A few questions on safety.

Is it safe to go to the flat of an escort? Going to a strip clubs is it safe?

What about bringing the girl to my hotel? Any girl / strip club / hotels recommendations?

Gracias.

[QUOTE=DeanTheRoad;1914806]Going to Medellin for 2 days alone.

Obvious gringo and speak a bit of Spanish. Friday night where should I go out to meet Colombian girls?

A few questions on safety.

Is it safe to go to the flat of an escort? Going to a strip clubs is it safe?

What about bringing the girl to my hotel? Any girl / strip club / hotels recommendations?

Gracias.[/QUOTE]Make them come to your room. If they balk, you walk! Much safer on your 'home turf'! It may cost a little bit more but you'll feel safer and that's worth the extra cost!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=DeanTheRoad;1914806]Going to Medellin for 2 days alone.

Obvious gringo and speak a bit of Spanish. Friday night where should I go out to meet Colombian girls?

A few questions on safety.

Is it safe to go to the flat of an escort? Going to a strip clubs is it safe?

What about bringing the girl to my hotel? Any girl / strip club / hotels recommendations?

Gracias.[/QUOTE]On safety, just be careful and don't do anything stupid like get drunk or drug use and you'll be fine by yourself. I recommend Fase dos strip club, as it is safe. Entry is 10 K, sit at the bar stools on the side, as a table will cost you a bottle. Girls are available for 180 K total, paying at the register. Avoid LaIsla (The Girls) now, as it can cost 200-300 K for the girl and in my opinion are not as hot as Fase Dos. Facebook is good to meet COLOMBIAN girls.

[QUOTE=DeanTheRoad;1914806]Going to Medellin for 2 days alone.

Obvious gringo and speak a bit of Spanish. Friday night where should I go out to meet Colombian girls?

A few questions on safety.

Is it safe to go to the flat of an escort? Going to a strip clubs is it safe?

What about bringing the girl to my hotel? Any girl / strip club / hotels recommendations?

Gracias.[/QUOTE]It's always safer if they go to your place. The hotel probably will charge you if the chica stay over. Check with front desk. Be aware of your surrounding and you'll be OK.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1915292]Why does it take over 24 h for my post to be on forum? I'm a new member who hasn't paid the 20 bucks because I wanted to see if this was a decent forum. So now I'm glad I never.[/QUOTE]Jackson sure is going to lose sleep over this. Next time do yourself a favor and READ something before deciding to sign up and complain after doing so.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=posting_questions#faq_posting_questions_02[/URL]

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1915292]Why does it take over 24 h for my post to be on forum? I'm a new member who hasn't paid the 20 bucks because I wanted to see if this was a decent forum. So now I'm glad I never.[/QUOTE]Certainly it's a stereotype the old word about Scots reputation for being "careful" with money. Go on like that.

[QUOTE=DeanTheRoad;1914806]
What about bringing the girl to my hotel?
Gracias.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bejaco42;1915330]It's always safer if they go to your place. The hotel probably will charge you if the chica stay over. Check with front desk. Be aware of your surrounding and you'll be OK.[/QUOTE]It has been repeated so many times, so many times, but still people does not read.

[U]Higher class[/U] hotels in Colombia are not happy to receive "guests". They do whatever possible to avoid being considered "chica-friendly". Add that a Colombian would never take a hooker to his hotel room. They go with girls, but they keep it separated from their "real life" and never exhibit it (this means that they go to casas, to short time hotels and motels, to clubs, but you will never see a Colombian having dinner with an evident P4 P girl in a restaurant of Parque LLeras).

I give an example of hotel policy according the above (reported already a few times in the past, sorry if I repeat). When I go to Medellin I stay at Four Points Poblado. They charge like 40 k / night (I am not sure, maybe more now) for any additional person you want to bring in (no hope to make her slip through security). This is for the [I]first[/I] guest. If you try to bring [I]another[/I], a [I]different[/I] girl on another night, they will charge something like 100 k-150 k more (the single room rate may be around 250 k onwards). I tried once, years ago, and the nice guy at reception explained me that it's a policy designed ON PURPOSE to avoid that people brings girls to the room.

So, take your girls to a motel or love hotel. This is how Colombians do. Some are very good, and really inexpensive. I reported a couple in the past, but many more were reported by others. Search for posts by "Black Page" including "chimba de hotel" and "ibiza" and you will read about the two I am used to patronize. Look at the List (do you know there is a Medellin List?) and you will see a long list.

Enjoy.

(the alternative is that you rent an apartment, or you choose an hotel which accepts girls, but it will be not Sheraton or Hilton).

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1915455]Certainly it's a stereotype the old word about Scots reputation for being "careful" with money. Go on like that.[/QUOTE]Jajaa! I hate that stereotype I'm far from tight. I booked the Charlee for 5 nights because I work hard and have expensive taste.

I will pay the membership now because it's full of very good info. FYI I'm thinking of cancelling the Charlee cause it won't be easy to bring a girl back. I try to send a message not M1 but no reply. Maybe they think I'm tight.

[QUOTE=DeanTheRoad;1914806]Going to Medellin for 2 days alone.

Obvious gringo and speak a bit of Spanish. Friday night where should I go out to meet Colombian girls?

A few questions on safety.

Is it safe to go to the flat of an escort? Going to a strip clubs is it safe?

What about bringing the girl to my hotel? Any girl / strip club / hotels recommendations?

Gracias.[/QUOTE]Two days. Alone in Medellin with little Spanish = [URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1915633]Two days. Alone in Medellin with little Spanish = [URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Another option the Premier Plaza Hotel between the Church and the Museum in El Centro at about the tenth of the cost. Two different worlds if you speak the language and can feel comfortable there.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1915499]Jajaa! I hate that stereotype I'm far from tight. I booked the Charlee for 5 nights because I work hard and have expensive taste.

I will pay the membership now because it's full of very good info. FYI I'm thinking of cancelling the Charlee cause it won't be easy to bring a girl back. I try to send a message not M1 but no reply. Maybe they think I'm tight.[/QUOTE]You may end up being like a fish out of water here in Medellin. I'm sure if you get into the Mansion the girls will love you if you have lots of money to spend.

I heard that several gringos' belongings were stolen at the hotel, and some gringos were told by police to leave the area, otherwise they would be arrested.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1915719]Another option the Premier Plaza Hotel between the Church and the Museum in El Centro at about the tenth of the cost. Two different worlds if you speak the language and can feel comfortable there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1915462]It has been repeated so many times, so many times, but still people does not read.

[U]Higher class[/U] hotels in Colombia are not happy to receive "guests". They do whatever possible to avoid being considered "chica-friendly". Add that a Colombian would never take a hooker to his hotel room. They go with girls, but they keep it separated from their "real life" and never exhibit it (this means that they go to casas, to short time hotels and motels, to clubs, but you will never see a Colombian having dinner with an evident P4 P girl in a restaurant of Parque LLeras).

I give an example of hotel policy according the above (reported already a few times in the past, sorry if I repeat). When I go to Medellin I stay at Four Points Poblado. They charge like 40 k / night (I am not sure, maybe more now) for any additional person you want to bring in (no hope to make her slip through security). This is for the [I]first[/I] guest. If you try to bring [I]another[/I], a [I]different[/I] girl on another night, they will charge something like 100 k-150 k more (the single room rate may be around 250 k onwards). I tried once, years ago, and the nice guy at reception explained me that it's a policy designed ON PURPOSE to avoid that people brings girls to the room.

So, take your girls to a motel or love hotel. This is how Colombians do. Some are very good, and really inexpensive. I reported a couple in the past, but many more were reported by others. Search for posts by "Black Page" including "chimba de hotel" and "ibiza" and you will read about the two I am used to patronize. Look at the List (do you know there is a Medellin List?) and you will see a long list.

Enjoy.

(the alternative is that you rent an apartment, or you choose an hotel which accepts girls, but it will be not Sheraton or Hilton).[/QUOTE]This is spot on. For all the drugs, cartel, killings, over the top plastic surgery, etc etc but being stepped in Catholicism and conservatism culturally and historically they know to keep what ever the shit they do out of the home and the public eye and this includes hotels, your right they simply are too conservative to even think of such a thing and this goes for old and younger men.

I bet that 95% of married Colombian men cheat, but they typically return home to their wife and kids. For the most part they keep what they do to themselves and typically do not share this with work mates or close friends, they just keep silent about their play. The casa's really fill a great space in this society.

So culturally this extends to hotels, a foreigner is expected to live by their same cultural standards.

IMHO.

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1915772]For the most part they keep what they do to themselves and typically do not share this with work mates or close friends, they just keep silent about their play.[/QUOTE]What good is play if you can't brag about it to your buddies?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1915814]What good is play if you can't brag about it to your buddies?[/QUOTE]That may be the distinction between them (Colombianos) and us (gringos). It's no secret that Americans tend to brag about everything. Some tend to overdo it (Cuba Dave, Jake).

Girls in any country love guys with fat pockets. As most guys in the know or newbies who listen its better to go with a nice condo. Its so much easier and comfortable.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1915722]You may end up being like a fish out of water here in Medellin. I'm sure if you get into the Mansion the girls will love you if you have lots of money to spend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1916046]Girls in any country love guys with fat pockets. As most guys in the know or newbies who listen its better to go with a nice condo. Its so much easier and comfortable.[/QUOTE]And the more they think you have, the more they expect you to spend. Don't shoot yourself in the foot thinking you have to show off. Save that shit for back home. It's not necessary in third world countries.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916051]And the more they think you have, the more they expect you to spend. Don't shoot yourself in the foot thinking you have to show off. Save that shit for back home. It's not necessary in third world countries.[/QUOTE]I agree. I imagine those dudes that are flying chicks out to San Andres and Cancun are paying more for the same chick I can bang for less on her home turf.

[URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/intento-de-fleteo-en-el-poblado-contra-ciudadano-extranjero-BH4669300[/URL]

Anybody know any of the gory details. Was the guy staying at the Mansion?

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1916089][URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/intento-de-fleteo-en-el-poblado-contra-ciudadano-extranjero-BH4669300[/URL]

Anybody know any of the gory details.[/QUOTE]Damn! These fuckers are getting brazen! I very often will walk from my apartment as far as Centro Commercial de Santa Fe, which is past Oviedo Mall and the Carruja supermarket. Even at night! Never had any problems.

I'm glad the guy was not killed (article said he was injured). Medellin needs to step up their game if they want to continue being known as an up-and-coming tourist destination (you have seen all of the articles touting that they are trying to rid their Pablo Escobar image and become an attractive tourist spot).

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[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1916089][URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/intento-de-fleteo-en-el-poblado-contra-ciudadano-extranjero-BH4669300[/URL]
Was the guy staying at the Mansion?[/QUOTE]Let's not automatically assume this was a monger. I have seen many foreigners walking around Medellin that don't at first strike me as "sex tourist". I've even seen an obvious North American (White Male who spoke English) with his wife and kids crossing the street at the intersection with me to go to Santa Fe Mall.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916051]And the more they think you have, the more they expect you to spend. Don't shoot yourself in the foot thinking you have to show off. Save that shit for back home. It's not necessary in third world countries.[/QUOTE]I've done several Thailand and Dominican. I'm street smart. All great advice though. I booked Colombia because a friend in Dominican said I should go to her country. 3 cities in 2 weeks but it's sounds like the best place is MED.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1916089][URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/intento-de-fleteo-en-el-poblado-contra-ciudadano-extranjero-BH4669300[/URL]

Anybody know any of the gory details. Was the guy staying at the Mansion?[/QUOTE]I know exactly where that is. Been in the exact same spot many, many times. That's supposed to be in one of the safest locations in all of Medellin!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1915814]What good is play if you can't brag about it to your buddies?[/QUOTE]For some of us, our satisfaction comes from what we do when we are with a lady, not bragging about it.

Maybe your question was in jest, but I don't see any indications of that.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1916089][URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/intento-de-fleteo-en-el-poblado-contra-ciudadano-extranjero-BH4669300[/URL]

Anybody know any of the gory details. Was the guy staying at the Mansion?[/QUOTE]Here's the follow-up story:

[URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/atentado-a-ciudadano-norteamericano-fue-por-robarle-un-reloj-AA4673435[/URL]

If Google Translate is correct, it looks like bad guys on a motorcycle observed the gringo buying an expensive watch at the mall and then tried to take it from him. When he resisted, they busted a cap in his leg. Interesting, I've never been hassled in any foreign country while wearing the $10.99 Casio watch I bought at Walmart LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916051]And the more they think you have, the more they expect you to spend. Don't shoot yourself in the foot thinking you have to show off. Save that shit for back home. It's not necessary in third world countries.[/QUOTE]And the more you increase your chances of being robbed / drugged / scammed. These girls see a guy throwing around money and their derelict friends will have their eye on you.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1916188]For some of us, our satisfaction comes from what we do when we are with a lady, not bragging about it.

Maybe your question was in jest, but I don't see any indications of that.[/QUOTE]Nobody is going to rent or buy a Ferrari if they know nobody is ever going to see them in it. A moped is fun and will get you from point A to point be. That is why you call chicks that are good for fucking, but you don't want anyone to know you were with, mopeds. So if nobody will ever know about it why spend tons of money on the Ferrari when a moped will get you where you need to go?

Yesterday I pulled 600,000 Pesos out of a Banco Colombia ATM machine and when I checked my online statement the math came to 3,091 pesos to the US dollar including what Banco-Colombia charged me to use their machine. Are the rates headed back up again?

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;1915769]I heard that several gringos' belongings were stolen at the hotel, and some gringos were told by police to leave the area, otherwise they would be arrested.[/QUOTE]Whatever you heard was wrong. I have been there every other day for the past two weeks and rented a room there for a month on my last trip. The security is excellent in this Hotel and it also is a police sub-station of sorts as the Police use the WiFi and drink coffee there as well. The staff look out for those who rent rooms there and I have had several friends stay there who have never had an issue with anything being stolen. I have never seen the Police in and around the area hassle gringos. I don't know where you got your information but I have noticed a dramatic increase in tours being given to tourists over the past year given the proximity to the Museum and sculptures in the area. The last thing the Police are going to do is to threaten gringos with being arrested if they don't leave the area.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916267] So if nobody will ever know about it why spend tons of money on the Ferrari?[/QUOTE]Uhh, because we enjoy the company of beautiful women! I am as low key as anyone about my mongering adventures so almost nobody knows anything about what I do. I do however, so appreciate my time with some beautiful young vixen that wouldn't give me the time of day back here in PoonTang prison. I feel this way even tho I know she will be gone in an hour or so & I won't see her until I pay again. Just like the car enthusiast who appreciates a well made good looking car, some of us appreciate a beautiful woman! It's not at all about bragging & showing off! Maybe for you it is but not for me!

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=TheCane;1916186]I know exactly where that is. Been in the exact same spot many, many times. That's supposed to be in one of the safest locations in all of Medellin![/QUOTE]Smart robbers go where the money is, it's not in el centro. All the reports in past 6 years I have been here involving shots fired in gringo robberies, I recall none in el centro, el centro is snatch and grab, then run, and hope the locals don't chase after you and catch and kick the shit out you, which I saw happen last night on Bolivar avenida across from the Nutibara Hotel about 10 pm.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1916497]El centro is snatch and grab, then run, and hope the locals don't chase after you and catch and kick the shit out you, which I saw happen last night on Bolivar avenida across from the Nutibara Hotel about 10 pm.[/QUOTE]Uuuh, so what's your point? That El Centro is supposed to be safer than OviEdo or what? What you wrote doesn't make it sound "safe" at all. For gringos, locals, or whoever might be the unfortunate target. Whether it's a snatch and grab or a mugging or a shooting or whatever, none of that contributes to the "safety" of a place. What it all contributes to is the crime rate for the area, which overall is always worse in a place like El Centro versus a place like Poblado or the Oveido Mall, and especially when it comes to violent crime! Barrios where the money is aren't immune to crime, but they have much lower violent crime rates than places where the money is not. People with money don't live in violent, crime ridden neighborhoods. That's why it's always shocking when something like a shooting happens at a place like OviEdo. Definitely not immune. But still a rare occurrence nevertheless!

It's true that the Oviedo Mall has lots of security. It's also a major target of ne'er do wells. My guess is the victim was targeted by somebody scoping out the store, or someone to whom he might have mentioned why he was going to Oviedo, or an inside job involving the store and / or mall security. Stay alert and travel safely.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1916497]Smart robbers go where the money is, it's not in el centro. All the reports in past 6 years I have been here involving shots fired in gringo robberies, I recall none in el centro, el centro is snatch and grab, then run, and hope the locals don't chase after you and catch and kick the shit out you, which I saw happen last night on Bolivar avenida across from the Nutibara Hotel about 10 pm.[/QUOTE]

Hi folks,

I have contacted the above and he sent me price and dates for M2. I RTFF and it seems it's not as good as M1?

I was sent 15 photos of the bed don't no if it has a bath or shower. Basically I booked the Charlee but I'm on my first trip to Colombia and the Mansion has featured a lot on this forum. Is there any other hotel I should be looking at?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1916446]Yesterday I pulled 600,000 Pesos out of a Banco Colombia ATM machine and when I checked my online statement the math came to 3,091 pesos to the US dollar including what Banco-Colombia charged me to use their machine. Are the rates headed back up again?[/QUOTE]Rates may be going up cause I used bancolombia 2 weeks ago and when I got home I figured I got 2950.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1916576]Hi folks,

I have contacted the above and he sent me price and dates for M2. I RTFF and it seems it's not as good as M1?

I was sent 15 photos of the bed don't no if it has a bath or shower. Basically I booked the Charlee but I'm on my first trip to Colombia and the Mansion has featured a lot on this forum. Is there any other hotel I should be looking at?

Thanks[/QUOTE]M2 is much quieter, the rooms all have showers w / hot water and cold A / C. The daily breakfast was fantastic! The walk down the hill was no big deal. The walk back up the hill was a killer. Both have pools however all the girls hang out at the M1 pool area.

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1916576]Hi folks,

I have contacted the above and he sent me price and dates for M2. I RTFF and it seems it's not as good as M1?

I was sent 15 photos of the bed don't no if it has a bath or shower. Basically I booked the Charlee but I'm on my first trip to Colombia and the Mansion has featured a lot on this forum. Is there any other hotel I should be looking at?

Thanks[/QUOTE]You can always just go to the website and see what all of their rooms look like:

[B]Hotel M1 Rooms[/B]

[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/rooms.html[/URL]

[B]Hotel M2 Rooms[/B]

[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/rooms2.html[/URL]

Personally, I would avoid any rooms that have shared bathrooms.

I've always stayed at M2. It's a lot more quieter, which is what I like. M1 has that frat-boy atmosphere to it. It is also where La Cuerva (The Cave) and the pool that everyone hangs at are, but you can always walk down the hill from M1 to visit it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1916627]......you can always walk down the hill from M1 to visit it.[/QUOTE]M1 is downhill. I think you meant walk down from the M2 which is up the hill from the M1!

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1916627]You can always just go to the website and see what all of their rooms look like:

[B]Hotel M1 Rooms[/B]

[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/rooms.html[/URL]

[B]Hotel M2 Rooms[/B]

[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/rooms2.html[/URL]

Personally, I would avoid any rooms that have shared bathrooms.

I've always stayed at M2. It's a lot more quieter, which is what I like. M1 has that frat-boy atmosphere to it. It is also where La Cuerva (The Cave) and the pool that everyone hangs at are, but you can always walk down the hill from M1 to visit it.[/QUOTE]Yes, I looked at site but room 207 is photos of just bed! LOL OK so now I realize it's close to M1. I booked 5 nights in Barranquilla before I come to med. Any ideas of good hotels? Thinking I should just come strait to Med.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1916631]M1 is downhill. I think you meant walk down from the M2 which is up the hill from the M1!

El Mechanico[/QUOTE]Yeah, it was a typo.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1916650]Any ideas of good hotels? Thinking I should just come strait to Med.[/QUOTE]Don't know anything about hotels. Apartments are the way to go in Medellin.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1916650]Yes, I looked at site but room 207 is photos of just bed! LOL OK so now I realize it's close to M1. I booked 5 nights in Barranquilla before I come to med. Any ideas of good hotels? Thinking I should just come strait to Med.[/QUOTE]I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Barranquilla is an industrial city that's crappy 51 weeks out of the year. The only week that Barranquilla is any good is when Carnival is being celebrated.

Instead of Barranquilla, consider Cartagena, just down the coast from Barranquilla. The action in Cartagena tends to center in Bocagrande. Myself, I preferred the Ciudad Vieja, the old section of Cartagena with old churches and museums surrounded by most of the old wall. If you stay in this area, consider Casa La Fe a Kali Hotel for your stay.

You'll find working girls in both Bocagrande and Ciudad Vieja, but your best bet will be Bocagrande.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1916576]Hi folks,

I have contacted the above and he sent me price and dates for M2. I RTFF and it seems it's not as good as M1?

I was sent 15 photos of the bed don't no if it has a bath or shower. Basically I booked the Charlee but I'm on my first trip to Colombia and the Mansion has featured a lot on this forum. Is there any other hotel I should be looking at?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Each room is different, but on average the rooms in M2 are every bit as good as those in M1. Room 9 in M2 is the best (and most expensive) room in either house.

M2 is also quieter and has better breakfast than M1. And the views from the Veranda are great. What M1 has is ease of access to la Cueva.

[QUOTE=Combo;1916693]Each room is different, but on average the rooms in M2 are every bit as good as those in M1. Room 9 in M2 is the best (and most expensive) room in either house.

M2 is also quieter and has better breakfast than M1. And the views from the Veranda are great. What M1 has is ease of access to la Cueva.[/QUOTE]You're right about the rooms, but I was at M2 in March and M1 just a couple weeks ago and it was better this time. Had like 3 eggs scrambled with ham, onions, cheese, plus french toast with a thick bread at M1 this time along with the fresh fruit & oj each day. Also discovered M1 serves Sunday hotdogs at 3 PM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916267]Nobody is going to rent or buy a Ferrari if they know nobody is ever going to see them in it. A moped is fun and will get you from point A to point be. That is why you call chicks that are good for fucking, but you don't want anyone to know you were with, mopeds. So if nobody will ever know about it why spend tons of money on the Ferrari when a moped will get you where you need to go?[/QUOTE]Renting a Ferrari or a Shelby Cobra is about walking up to it, sitting in it, starting it up, getting the feel of a great machine and then finally driving it. That's what it's about for any dude w / integrity. It doesn't matter if anyone sees you in it. All that matters is you control it now.

So you stick w / your mopeds and stay in the shadows.

Your post above is unintentionally revealing.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1916650]I booked 5 nights in Barranquilla before I come to med. Any ideas of good hotels? Thinking I should just come strait to Med.[/QUOTE]You might want to unbook that. Even if you know people there, Barranquilla is boring. You could take a van or the bus to Santa Marta from there though. If not, then I hope you enjoy the mall.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916789]You might want to unbook that. Even if you know people there, Barranquilla is boring. You could take a van or the bus to Santa Marta from there though. If not, then I hope you enjoy the mall.[/QUOTE]Yes this is what I'm slowly realizing. My trip to Colombia was impulsive my concierge in breathless Punta Cana is from Barq. She said night life was great, But it's OK my flights are booked so I can always change the city. I do 3 days in Bogota just cause I arrive there and settle in then fly to Barq. 5 there and fly to med. I'm thinking now I should just go strait to Med!LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1916789]You might want to unbook that. Even if you know people there, Barranquilla is boring. You could take a van or the bus to Santa Marta from there though. If not, then I hope you enjoy the mall.[/QUOTE]I second that! I was in BAQ only once (business) and I could not wait to move to CTG.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1916674]I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Barranquilla is an industrial city that's crappy 51 weeks out of the year.
Instead of Barranquilla, consider Cartagena, just down the coast from Barranquilla. The action in Cartagena tends to center in Bocagrande. Myself, I preferred the Ciudad Vieja, the old section of Cartagena with old churches and museums surrounded by most of the old wall.
You'll find working girls in both Bocagrande and Ciudad Vieja, but your best bet will be Bocagrande.[/QUOTE]Yes about BAQ.

Yes about going to CTG (or Santa Marta).

But for what to do in CTG, better have a look at the CTG thread and read back many pages. Lots of info even detailed.
By the way:
- Nobody calls Centro "Ciudad Vieja". It's "El Centro".
- No decent P4 P action in Bocagrande, except on one beach and in one club (see the CTG thread).
- The place to go at night is in the clubs of el centro and in the Plaza del Reloy. In short: take an apartment in Bocagrande, because they are better, modern and affordable, and move to Centro for the night.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1916868]Nobody calls Centro "Ciudad Vieja". It's "El Centro".[/QUOTE]Respectfully, yes and no. [B]Mongers[/B] refer to it as "El Centro. " Regular tourists refer to it as "Ciudad Vieja" or, more commonly, "Ciudad Amurallada. " I know, I was there for 7 days.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1917060]Respectfully, yes and no. [B]Mongers[/B] refer to it as "El Centro. " Regular tourists refer to it as "Ciudad Vieja" or, more commonly, "Ciudad Amurallada. " I know, I was there for 7 days.[/QUOTE]My wife lives in Cartagena and she says El Centro.

Oil down, peso down. That is, the lower oil is, the more bang for your American dollar.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1916446]Yesterday I pulled 600,000 Pesos out of a Banco Colombia ATM machine and when I checked my online statement the math came to 3,091 pesos to the US dollar including what Banco-Colombia charged me to use their machine. Are the rates headed back up again?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1917060]Respectfully, yes and no. [B]Mongers[/B] refer to it as "El Centro. " Regular tourists refer to it as "Ciudad Vieja" or, more commonly, "Ciudad Amurallada. " I know, I was there for 7 days.[/QUOTE]Respectfully, I have been there 7 days X 20 times. LOL

However, the important point is where are the girls, not how we call the place. Best girls are in El Centro. Leave Bocagrande to those who spend all days in the same loop: apartment, Hollywood Beach, apartment, Riquisimo, apartment, LDV, apartment.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1917361]Respectfully, I have been there 7 days X 20 times. LOL
kes some time to develop the connections
However, the important point is where are the girls, not how we call the place. Best girls are in El Centro. Leave Bocagrande to those who spend all days in the same loop: apartment, Hollywood Beach, apartment, Riquisimo, apartment, LDV, apartment.[/QUOTE]It is up to who rings your doorbell. Personally, I like the University girls, often young and want to experience new things. The other places are pro and ptpro, even the casas have some jewels. If you are into the dance / romance thing then even the putas enjoy your company, errr, especially if you are loose with cash and gifts. It takes some time to develop but most of the time it is good to great. Also noticing a lot of very young, 18-22, wanting to experience lesbian, real thing.

[QUOTE=Otiers;1917121]My wife lives in Cartagena and she says El Centro.[/QUOTE]All my drivers call it "Centro" also.

[QUOTE=LocoGringo;1917391]It is up to who rings your doorbell. Personally, I like the University girls, often young and want to experience new things. The other places are pro and ptpro, even the casas have some jewels. If you are into the dance / romance thing then even the putas enjoy your company, errr, especially if you are loose with cash and gifts. It takes some time to develop but most of the time it is good to great. Also noticing a lot of very young, 18-22, wanting to experience lesbian, real thing.[/QUOTE]Ehmmm let me point out again that I wrote: "[U]take an apartment in Bocagrande[/U], because they are better, modern and affordable, and move to Centro for the night. " <grin>

PS: I admit I am guilty as others, and I take my responsibility, but we are OOT because this is the MDE thread not the CTG thread... Can we move there, if we want to elaborate further? ;-)

Did my 12 month membership expire after 4 months? Is this thread still active? No posts for almost 48 hours? Is there a strike in the MDE and everyone has to stay in their apt / hotel?

You know I'm just joking, maybe it's just a mid week slowdown!

Stay safe bros!

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1918379]Did my 12 month membership expire after 4 months? Is this thread still active? No posts for almost 48 hours? Is there a strike in the MDE and everyone has to stay in their apt / hotel?

You know I'm just joking, maybe it's just a mid week slowdown!

Stay safe bros!

El Mechanico[/QUOTE]Yes I thought the same. I can't wait to go. Love reading the reports. Photos are a bonus.

Anyone got a few hook ups on FB they would like to share with the new guy? Every little helps.

Hello fellas,

Two of my friends and I are going to Medellin next week. I was in Medellin back in 2009 with another group of friends and had a ridiculously amazing time. So anyways want my buds to see what they have been missing this whole time I've been suggesting we go. We get there at 11:30 pm figure by the time we get to the apartment in Parque Lleras it is about 1 am. Whats the best spot to hit up on a Tuesday night?

Thanks for the recommendation.

My friends and I speak Spanish if it makes any difference.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;1881716]Given the current discussion on Medellin Maps, I thought I'd bump an old post of mine with some map info that may (or may not) be of use. At least it might give any newbies to the area an idea of types of maps they can create on their own. To be clear, once I got on the ground on MDE, these maps were spot on. My wingman and I literally planned our itinerary before we left and used the addresses, times and prices associated with the mapped locations and walked right up to the different places. Hope it helps![/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

Can someone please upload the maps if possible. I contacted the original poster whom can't seem to find the full sized versions. Will be in town in 1 week and these will help big time.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=TrueScotsMan;1918494]

Anyone got a few hook ups on FB they would like to share with the new guy? Every little helps.[/QUOTE]If you will be staying at the Mansion, you won't need any FB Hookups. This place is actually where you seed and grown your FB network. Go there, meet the girls visiting the Mansion during the day and La Cuerva at night. Get their fb or whatsapp info.

I reserved Casa La Fe and they sent their policies by email, one of which is this. Did you manage to bring any guests into your room?

"The hotel does not permit casual guests in hotel rooms at any time. ".

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1916674]I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Barranquilla is an industrial city that's crappy 51 weeks out of the year. The only week that Barranquilla is any good is when Carnival is being celebrated.

Instead of Barranquilla, consider Cartagena, just down the coast from Barranquilla. The action in Cartagena tends to center in Bocagrande. Myself, I preferred the Ciudad Vieja, the old section of Cartagena with old churches and museums surrounded by most of the old wall. If you stay in this area, consider Casa La Fe a Kali Hotel for your stay.

You'll find working girls in both Bocagrande and Ciudad Vieja, but your best bet will be Bocagrande.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mrdurden;1919527]I reserved Casa La Fe and they sent their policies by email, one of which is this. Did you manage to bring any guests into your room?

"The hotel does not permit casual guests in hotel rooms at any time. ".[/QUOTE]Rent an apartment.

Are Here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2418-Medellin-Lists[/URL]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2787-Map-of-Casas-of-Centro-in-Medellin&p=755452#post755452[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=886701#post886701[/url]

[QUOTE=Debonair00;1919381]Gentlemen,

Can someone please upload the maps if possible. I contacted the original poster whom can't seem to find the full sized versions. Will be in town in 1 week and these will help big time.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1919552]Rent an apartment.[/QUOTE]How many times shall we repeat the same thing
Before everyone will understand
Yes how many times it will be repeated
That no upper-class hotels do welcome "casual guests"?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
To not see deluxe motels or apartment for rent?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

[QUOTE=Mrdurden;1919527]I reserved Casa La Fe and they sent their policies by email, one of which is this. Did you manage to bring any guests into your room?

"The hotel does not permit casual guests in hotel rooms at any time. ".[/QUOTE]That's a good hotel. It used to be known simply as Casa La Fe and was owned by an expat named Geoff and his Colombian wife. I think the name change to Casa La Fe a Kali Hotel was because Geoff and his wife sold the hotel to a larger conglomerate or have gone into partnership with them, I'm not sure either way.

Is the hotel chica friendly? Eh, yes and no. You received the verbiage of "The hotel does not permit casual guests in hotel rooms at any time" and that was also in effect when I was there a while back. Reception is located immediately inside the front door of the hotel but is only staffed until 5 pm in the evenings, more or less. Afterwards, a doorman keeps a loose eye on who comes and goes. I had no problem bringing a chica back to my room on three consecutive nights after reception was closed because I was friendly and chatty with the doorman and acted like I owned the place. If he had resisted, I was prepared to grease the guy's palm with a few thousand pesos. It probably also helped that my chica was a secretary who I met at a local ice cream shop and looked like a simple resident of Cartagena, as opposed to a glammed-up working girl in a tight dress with 6 inch stiletto heels.

[QUOTE=Socker;1912387]Some guys here need to be the authority and you are dealing w / the president of that club. Now that I think about it, it's a one man club.

You cannot win or convince someone like this to be reasonable. Mr E has his game and if you play different you are inferior.

I tend to keep him on the ignore but I know he is a smart guy too so I give it another try.

Then he does the same thing all over again so it's back to ignore for him. You, I and most others here.

Know we are not dealing w / things. It's too bad some here are so cold. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]"I tend to keep him on the ignore." I hear you there, buddy.

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/medellin-begins-cracking-sex-tourism/[/URL]

In the end the Internet will be the death of the hobby. Local governments won't tolerate the publicity. Jaco will be next and that is for sure. The military government of Thailand is pissed. The world's 'Zona Tolerance' is getting smaller and smaller.

(actually the things Cuba Dave talked about were really not toxic but that is not helping him (make a donation).

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1920661][URL]http://colombiareports.com/medellin-begins-cracking-sex-tourism/[/URL]

In the end the Internet will be the death of the hobby. Local governments won't tolerate the publicity. Jaco will be next and that is for sure. The military government of Thailand is pissed. The world's 'Zona Tolerance' is getting smaller and smaller.

(actually the things Cuba Dave talked about were really not toxic but that is not helping him (make a donation).[/QUOTE]We've already discussed this at length. Damn near 15 pages of just that alone. Post number #20176 on page 25 in this forum kicked things off (hat tip to Manizales for breaking the news here). Start there and work your way back.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1920661](actually the things Cuba Dave talked about were really not toxic but that is not helping him (make a donation).[/QUOTE]Making a monetary donation to Cuba Dave may very well be pointless. I found a post from this past March on another internet message board claiming that the guy who sold Cuba Dave out to Costa Rican authorities is the same one running the Cuba Dave legal support fund on Facebook and is simply pocketing the cash. September 4 will be the crucial date. Unless Costa Rican authorities can prove Cuba Dave was part of organized crime, they legally won't be able to hold him in preventive custody after that date.

In the 70's the idea was alternative weekly newspapers with their liberal advertising policies would be the death of the hobby.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1920661][URL]http://colombiareports.com/medellin-begins-cracking-sex-tourism/[/URL]

In the end the Internet will be the death of the hobby. Local governments won't tolerate the publicity. Jaco will be next and that is for sure. The military government of Thailand is pissed. The world's 'Zona Tolerance' is getting smaller and smaller.

(actually the things Cuba Dave talked about were really not toxic but that is not helping him (make a donation).[/QUOTE]

What are you sayin?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1919751]How many times shall we repeat the same thing
Before everyone will understand
Yes how many times it will be repeated
That no upper-class hotels do welcome "casual guests"?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
To not see deluxe motels or apartment for rent?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1921235]What are you sayin?[/QUOTE]I think he starts out saying RTFF & you'll get the answers to your questions and then changes the theme to rent apartments & you won't have to worry about chica friendly or not!

El Mechanico

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1921235]What are you sayin?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;1921490]I think he starts out saying RTFF & you'll get the answers to your questions and then changes the theme to rent apartments & you won't have to worry about chica friendly or not!
El Mechanico[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1919751]How many times shall we repeat the same thing
Before everyone will understand
Yes how many times it will be repeated
That no upper-class hotels do welcome "casual guests"?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
To not see deluxe motels or apartment for rent?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.[/QUOTE]
:-/
I guess there are not many who never heard Bob Dylan. Sometimes they say "If you need it explained, then it's useless to explain it anyway". However, this is the translation in simple terms of "my" song:

1) No upper-class hotels do welcome "casual guests".
2) Go to a deluxe love motel or rent an apartment.
3) It was said so many times, so many times already...! Never read that before? RTFF.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1921563]I guess there are not many who never heard Bob Dylan. Sometimes they say "If you need it explained, then it's useless to explain it anyway". However, this is the translation in simple terms of "my" song:

1) No upper-class hotels do welcome "casual guests".
2) Go to a deluxe love motel or rent an apartment.
3) It was said so many times, so many times already...! Never read that before? RTFF.[/QUOTE]Probably never heard of Peter, Paul, & Mary either.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1921623]Probably never heard of Peter, Paul, & Mary either.[/QUOTE]LOL! :-D :-D

What is this? A competition of sarcasm?
(I had to Google "Peter, Paul, & Mary" to find out).

P.S.: I don't like Bob Dylan.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1921563]I guess there are not many who never heard Bob Dylan. Sometimes they say "If you need it explained, then it's useless to explain it anyway". However, this is the translation in simple terms of "my" song:

1) No upper-class hotels do welcome "casual guests".
2) Go to a deluxe love motel or rent an apartment.
3) It was said so many times, so many times already...! Never read that before? RTFF.[/QUOTE]I knew it, thank you!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1916673]Don't know anything about hotels. Apartments are the way to go in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I will second that. Apartments are the way to go. AirBnB has apartments for as little as 20 USD per night. And no one is going to hassle you. I usually stay a La Provincia in Poblado. They don't ask any questions and tolerated quite a bit of partying in my room. No one said a word to me. Cra 30 A #9-45. But that is just one of many places.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1919751]How many times shall we repeat the same thing
Before everyone will understand
Yes how many times it will be repeated
That no upper-class hotels do welcome "casual guests"?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
To not see deluxe motels or apartment for rent?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.[/QUOTE]For the record, the song 'Blowing in the Wind' was written by Bob Dylan (1962) and he sang the song. But Peter, Paul and Mary's version probably gained the most notoriety and fame. Yes I'm an old fart and remember when the song came out. But good analogy Black Page.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1922210]For the record, the song 'Blowing in the Wind' was written by Bob Dylan (1962) and he sang the song. But Peter, Paul and Mary's version probably gained the most notoriety and fame. Yes I'm an old fart and remember when the song came out. But good analogy Black Page.[/QUOTE]I assumed there were a lot of old farts like us on this board who would of known about these vintage 60's singers and songwriters. But hell I feel like I'm in my twenty's when I troll El Centro looking for a wife!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1922240] when I troll El Centro looking for a wife![/QUOTE]That's the place to go if you look for a wife!

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1922210]But Peter, Paul and Mary's version probably gained the most notoriety and fame.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, I never heard them before reading this in this thread. I had to Google their names to learn who are they.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1917060]Respectfully, yes and no. [B]Mongers[/B] refer to it as "El Centro. " Regular tourists refer to it as "Ciudad Vieja" or, more commonly, "Ciudad Amurallada. " I know, I was there for 7 days.[/QUOTE]7 days wow! Maybe you can give me some pointers? Only been living in Medellin for the last 5 years and El Centro for the last 4. Even real estate agencies call it El Centro. Somebody been blowing smoke up your ass. Or something else maybe?

[QUOTE=Napalm;1922737]7 days wow! Maybe you can give me some pointers? Only been living in Medellin for the last 5 years and El Centro for the last 4. Even real estate agencies call it El Centro. Somebody been blowing smoke up your ass. Or something else maybe?[/QUOTE]They were talking about Cartagena, not Medellin.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1922831]They were talking about Cartagena, not Medellin.[/QUOTE]I was indeed talking about Cartagena, not Medellin.

I'm monitoring multiple threads for upcoming trips in October, December, and early next year and I will say this: the level of hostility and arrogance shown on the Medellin thread is not seen on any other thread that I'm monitoring. When I post a comment, I'm genuinely trying to help someone. Unfortunately and sadly, some of you (like Napalm) enjoy being Keyboard Warriors / Trolls. That's fine, do what you do and say what you say. I'm not thin-skinned and easily butt hurt like a few people on this thread. Mongers planning trips to Medellin, Cali, Bogota, Cartagena, and San Andres Island are welcome to contact me via PM (and thanks to those who already have) if they'd like help planning their trips. And to you Keyboard Warriors / Trolls, stop clogging up this thread with negative commentary. Start posting [B]Your trip reports[/B] and help people, which is what this thread is all about anyway.

Hey how is the Lineup at Energy recently? Heading there end of this month and that's always been my favorite. There was this super blanco red head with bolt ones and an angel face that I regret not seeing a year ago. Never again!! If I see her there I'm soo down!

Hello,

I've been looking on this site for the last year and received some really good info for Nicaragua. I've been reading through the thread and have yet to find info on Brothels, working girl houses that do not charge tourist prices and have that sweet Colombian ass. I keep hearing el centro to pick up a wife but I want a working girl. Also been looking online and keep seeing that I want to be around the Poblado area is where the fun is. I'm going to Air BNB my own place so should be okay to bring a chic back too. Any info on where I should go and what I should pay would be awesome.

[QUOTE=Kh123;1923841]Hello,

I've been looking on this site for the last year and received some reeeallllyyyy good info for Nicaragua. I've been reading through the thread and have yet to find info on Brothels, working girl houses that do not charge tourist prices and have that sweet Colombian ass. I keep hearing el centro to pick up a wife but I want a working girl. Also been looking online and keep seeing that I want to be around the Poblado area is where the fun is. I'm going to Air BNB my own place so should be okay to bring a chic back too. Any info on where I should go and what I should pay would be awesome.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?98-Nicaragua[/URL]

Wrong thread pal! Try this one!

I said I went to Nicaragua and learned from here. I wanted info on Medellin for I'll be there next month for my birthday.

[QUOTE=Kh123;1924283]I said I went to Nicaragua and learned from here. I wanted info on Medellin for I'll be there next month for my birthday.[/QUOTE]That's not even close to what you said, you never said you 'went' to Nicaragua, but whatever. Your 2nd post was a little less ambiguous!

Do what I did, go back 2 years on this thread, to say, maybe Sept of 2014. Take 30 min / day & read 10-12 pages per day as well as the current days new posts (which have slowed down to almost nothing lately) and I can guarantee you 99% of your questions will be answered. You will find topics that interest you & some that don't. I did that for my July 4th trip & it was well worth the effort. I was impolitely told to RTFF after I asked a couple of newbie questions & was so glad I did. Some of the posts and tangents literally made me LOL, others were useless to my trip but most were quite informative! You get out of this forum what you put into it. The info is there & there are very few on here will spoon feed it to you! Good luck on your trip, be safe & Happy Birthday! What a great place to spend your BD. I actually left on my BD this past summer but not before 2 beautiful Paisas gave me a BD present to remember! Woo-hoo! Have fun man!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=Kh123;1924283]I said I went to Nicaragua and learned from here. I wanted info on Medellin for I'll be there next month for my birthday.[/QUOTE]Since you said you are going next month, we are all going to assume that you are smart enough to not have booked a trip to a place you know nothing about (I mean, who does that, right?) However, as assumptions go...

The best thing for you to do is this:

> Grab a beer, blunt, bong, cig, etc.

> Scroll down to the bottom of this page

> Next to the number "1", click "2"

> Read everything until you get to the bottom of that page. Then click the number "3"

> Repeat this process over the next few days until you get to page 30. You will then be all caught up with everything you need to know about anything Medallo, including how not to end up in a Colombian jail like Colombian Jake, or how to possibly avoid getting shot during a robbery attempt (in fact, in the event of a robbery, it is best that you understand the term "Ante Up". M.O.P. Does a great job of explaining just exactly what it means, lol:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUnfFC7wUrs[/url]).

If you want to become a Medellin Ninja, start at the first post from 2016 and work your way back to this page (which will probably be either page 2 or 10 by then, depending on how fast you read).

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1924301]
If you want to become a Medellin Ninja, start at the first post from 2016 and work your way back to this page (which will probably be either page 2 or 10 by then, depending on how fast you read).[/QUOTE]Not to mention the fabulous RoD, which can be scrolled back even a few years without spending days, and, once one knows how to move around, the Medellin List. Easy and straightforward.

Next step is pay a membership in change of all that, and get the power to PM senior members (those who spent a significant amount of time in Medellin, say more than 7 days) for [i]specific questions[/i]. Enjoy ISG.

If anyone is looking for a hotel. I stayed at the Hotel BH EL Poblado for a few nights and it was fairly nice. New modern hotel with a comfy room, good price and convenient location, right next to the Santa Fe mall. Best part, its chica friendly. I kind of like when they at least check their ID, but this place didn't even do that.

[QUOTE=Shanamat;1924664]If anyone is looking for a hotel. I stayed at the Hotel BH EL Poblado for a few nights and it was fairly nice. New modern hotel with a comfy room, good price and convenient location, right next to the Santa Fe mall. Best part, its chica friendly. I kind of like when they at least check their ID, but this place didn't even do that.[/QUOTE]What was the daily rate? I'm currently renting and apartment up in Loma el Indio, but looking to move down closer to town tomorrow. Was considering another AirBnB, since these days many can go for $250-$300 per week, but that location could work.

[QUOTE=Shanamat;1924664]If anyone is looking for a hotel. I stayed at the Hotel BH EL Poblado for a few nights and it was fairly nice. New modern hotel with a comfy room, good price and convenient location, right next to the Santa Fe mall. Best part, its chica friendly. I kind of like when they at least check their ID, but this place didn't even do that.[/QUOTE]The Hotel Manager will be happy to read this, should he find this page with Google or whatever referral from friends.

Those or who serves at night shift will have some tough time.

[URL]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/20/what-took-medellin-s-top-american-pimp-so-long-to-get-caught.html[/URL]

Despite the laughable claim that Jake was Medellin's top pimp, the willingness to conflate exploitation of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls and perfectly legal (and largely tolerated) activities between consenting adults, something like this puts MDE on the radar, not in a good way.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;1925044]Despite the laughable claim that Jake was Medellin's top pimp[/QUOTE]That claim isn't made unless it's embedded in the article and I missed it. The title calls him the city's "top American pimp." Given the likely relatively small number of American expat pimps, that might not be a very hard title to attain.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1925376]That claim isn't made unless it's embedded in the article and I missed it. The title calls him the city's "top American pimp." Given the likely relatively small number of American expat pimps, that might not be a very hard title to attain.[/QUOTE]ROFL.

Yes: the best of the best among one.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1925493]ROFL.

Yes: the best of the best among one.[/QUOTE]And the author was probably likewise being facetious.

Whats up fellas, don't do much of writing reports here in this forum as I see that some of you all are very patronizing LOL (Which ironically nobody who does this hobby should be.) Anyways, 3 years ago I wanted to move to Medallin, I even posted in the Living and retirement thread here and wanted to spend $50 k USD in women LOL (How stupid of me to write that LOL) Anyhow that never happened instead I stayed in the states, progressed in my company, I even made a paisa friend from accounting in my company and we make trips together to Medellin every 2 months LOL (I have 21 paid vacations days and he has 28 a year, so we just take 5-6 day vacation trips over there to spread it out over the year) and man I sure tell you guys Medellin is the living embodiment of paradise, I have been going there these two years periodically like this and I sure never get bored of it, neither my friend, and besides Medellin I have only traveled to Pereyra and Santa Marta. Either way I always wondered what are peoples usual trip expenses and budget for their pleasure trips. For me it goes like this:

I have two trips, one that will involve one girl over there, you can call her like a long distance girlfriend kindy of thing, but I just go spend a lot of time with her, obviously have relations with her, somebody whom I meet outside the whole pros and mongering environment, college girl nice, almost good wife material but naw I don't obviously love her its all lust LOL. Those trips with her really will just involve like $600 dollars or like 2 million pesos just for the 5 days I go there, even less, going out to eat, go to San Javier to swimming pools or San Felix, go out have fun at night even invite her sister and friends too, and I will escape discreetly if given the chance and do a casa run. Plane tickets average me about $200-$300 from spirit airlines from FT Laudardale. So GF trip is about $1000 USD all together with the flight for the 4 or 5 nights I am there.

If you notice I did not mention a hotel because the parents of my paisa buddy from accounting has an extra apartment in Laureles that either I or my friend stay at, I gave his parents $500 dollars for the year to let me stay whenever I wanted to even if they refused the money at first, even then its good for me I usually go for 20 days a year and when you do the math its only $25 a night to have your own private furnished apartment in a strato 4 neighborhood.

Now monger trips is another different animal LOL, these are the ones I do more of with my lecherous paisa buddy here from accounting LOL, and it is funny because you would think that as more of these trips you do the less you spend but now, paisas spoil you and damn its like its so cheap that like they put a few pages back you feel as if you ripping them off LOL. So we mainly just hunt pros in the daytime, we eat traditional food at traditional restaurants in the street like in el centro or close to where we stay, you know 10 k pesos a meal kindly of deal, we drink all day but we buy from the store a lot too, and really don't go to expensive casas, just energy that is our most expensive destination which is nothing really, but mostly we do our hunting in el centro. We usually drink a ton of ginseng and apply menthol and dick rings after the second day as we do 3-4 casa hunts a day, my friend usually just goes with one chick in one hand, I in the other hand do a lot of threesomes or orgies, for example in our last trip this is how we did it in our first day LOL: We went to new life, I went in with two chicks at once, totally forgot one of their names but one was Katrina, it was for 2 hours, $280 k for the service if I am not mistaken, gave one a 50 k pesos tip for BBBJ, DATY and ass sucking, and the other I negotiated 150 k for all that plus anal sex (the other chick did not want to give me her culito) bought a ton of chelas (beers) for me and the chicks I left from that place spending like 550 k, then we went out walked around el centro for a little bit went to eat, and before you know it went to energy spa in Laureles, there I did a 4 woman orgies for another 2 hours, for the service it was like 560 k pesos but then I obviously bought everyone of them drinks plus me and I tip them all 50 k each for kisses in mouth, BBBJ, DATY and ass eating, and I was super drunk from drinking all day and I gave two of the chicks an additional $300 k each for anal sex (sorry for inflating the prices guys) man I was drunk but I know I left energy spending almost close to 2 million pesos, no regrets whatsoever, it was a Thursday and later I went to club Babylon in el Poblado that they had all you can drink miller lites and we even went to the VIP with my buddy and got ourselves 4 bottles that they had 2 x1, 2 of absolute and 2 of patron, there I passed out in the club and don't remember a single thing hahahahahaahaah next day with an awful hangover went to go find soncocho and places they could do you micheladas and drank a ton of them and repeat the casa runs and fun. My trips with this buddy of mine now average me about 9-10 millon pesos, I mean its around $3 k usd, which is less than what you would spend in a trip to Miami or Las Vegas but in Medellin its like royalty treatment LOL.

And ultimately how much you all spend on anal sex tip? When I am still sober I offer 100 k in the table and go for max $150 k, once I am drunk I go for $300 k-$400 k pesos for it like a dumbass LOL.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1925514]Whats up fellas, don't do much of writing reports here in this forum as I see that some of you all are very patronizing LOL (Which ironically nobody who does this hobby should be.) Anyways, 3 years ago I wanted to move to Medallin, I even posted in the Living and retirement thread here and wanted to spend $50 k USD in women LOL (How stupid of me to write that LOL) Anyhow that never happened instead I stayed in the states, progressed in my company, I even made a paisa friend from accounting in my company and we make trips together to Medellin every 2 months LOL (I have 21 paid vacations days and he has 28 a year, so we just take 5-6 day vacation trips over there to spread it out over the year) and man I sure tell you guys Medellin is the living embodiment of paradise, I have been going there these two years periodically like this and I sure never get bored of it, neither my friend, and besides Medellin I have only traveled to Pereyra and Santa Marta. Either way I always wondered what are peoples usual trip expenses and budget for their pleasure trips. For me it goes like this:.[/QUOTE]Very quick a correction, I noticed I wrote that I spent $560 k on service in energy but that was just the initial hour thus I had to spend another $560 k on an additional second hour, felt the need to clarify that before you all "politically correct" get on me for that.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1925514]Whats up fellas, don't do much of writing reports here in this forum as I see that some of you all are very patronizing LOL (Which ironically nobody who does this hobby should be.) Anyways, 3 years ago I wanted to move to Medallin, I even posted in the Living and retirement thread here and wanted to spend $50 k USD in women LOL (How stupid of me to write that LOL) Anyhow that never happened instead I stayed in the states, progressed in my company, I even made a paisa friend from accounting in my company and we make trips together to Medellin every 2 months LOL (I have 21 paid vacations days and he has 28 a year, so we just take 5-6 day vacation trips over there to spread it out over the year) and man I sure tell you guys Medellin is the living embodiment of paradise, I have been going there these two years periodically like this and I sure never get bored of it, neither my friend, and besides Medellin I have only traveled to Pereyra and Santa Marta. Either way I always wondered what are peoples usual trip expenses and budget for their pleasure trips. For me it goes like this:

I have two trips, one that will involve one girl over there, you can call her like a long distance girlfriend kindy of thing, but I just go spend a lot of time with her, obviously have relations with her, somebody whom I meet outside the whole pros and mongering environment, college girl nice, almost good wife material but naw I don't obviously love her its all lust LOL. Those trips with her really will just involve like $600 dollars or like 2 million pesos just for the 5 days I go there, even less, going out to eat, go to San Javier to swimming pools or San Felix, go out have fun at night even invite her sister and friends too, and I will escape discreetly if given the chance and do a casa run...[/QUOTE]For these type of services you you could probably get some skanky sacaleros in El Centro who wouldn't charge more than 20 K per session so you can do the math as to how much you would spend on such a perverted type of trip.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1925514]I obviously bought everyone of them drinks plus me and I tip them all 50 k each for kisses in mouth, BBBJ, DATY and ass eating, and I was super drunk from drinking all day and I gave two of the chicks an additional $300 k each for anal sex (sorry for inflating the prices guys) man I was drunk but I know I left energy spending almost close to 2 million pesos, no regrets whatsoever,.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you forgot for a while that you weren't in the states and spent accordingly. And that particular casa is overpriced even before the senseless tossing money around, and I bet it was all done in short pants, socks with sandals, NFL jersies and swinging beer bellies. How's that for "condescending"? LOL.

Let me recommend a venue to you, Costa Rica. Perfect spot for you.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1923530]Hey how is the Lineup at Energy recently? Heading there end of this month and that's always been my favorite. There was this super blanco red head with bolt ones and an angel face that I regret not seeing a year ago. Never again!! If I see her there I'm soo down![/QUOTE]BUMP guys,

What's the haps on Energy lately?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1925563]For these type of services you you could probably get some skanky sacaleros in El Centro who wouldn't charge more than 20 K per session so you can do the math as to how much you would spend on such a perverted type of trip.[/QUOTE]Definitely right, except that the "skanky sacaleros" are not necessarily ugly with body spoiled by drugs. There are [i]also[/i] some true gems hiding in some corner, if one can dig.

The true problem is that someone in short pants, socks with sandals, NFL jersies and swinging beer bellies, tossing money around (see below) would not have a long mileage in El Centro. It's a matter of habitat for each different species.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1925569]Sounds like you forgot for a while that you weren't in the states and spent accordingly. And that particular casa is overpriced even before the senseless tossing money around, [blue]and I bet it was all done in short pants, socks with sandals, NFL jersies and swinging beer bellies[/blue]. How's that for "condescending"? LOL.
Let me recommend a venue to you, Costa Rica. Perfect spot for you.[/QUOTE]Perfect spot on. I wish to bet with you. But who would accept our bet??

I believe none of you know me or will ever know me for that matter to make quite a statement about me and what I would wear or what I would do. I certainly did not come here to post a report and get some prejudiced comments. Either way I posted and if it some way my information and report helps a least one person at least with the topic of an update in price, then it was worth it.

And no, I may be an American born citizen, but my folks are Mexican, and I do not fit any of you all stereotypes, I am actually 5'7 in height, weight only like 135 pounds so no beer belly, and I am if anything a very humble and generous guy and have no problem hunting for putas in el centro, la mayorista, minorista, shit I will go to San Javier and I know for a fact I blend in more than you all LOL. As matter of fact on my next trip there in a few weeks aside from women hunting with my buddy, I will do an extended stay there and when my buddy leaves from MDE I will pretend to have just arrived to a chica I told you all about earlier and we planning to do an excursion to impoverished area of el choco and I am going to go to help and even donate a good deal of money to the cause.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1925907] I will go to San Javier and I know for a fact I blend in more than you all LOL.[/QUOTE]Not if you go to spending $700 for sexo. From that very moment you will stick out like a sore thumb. LOL.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1925907]I believe none of you know me or will ever know me for that matter to make quite a statement about me and what I would wear or what I would do. I certainly did not come here to post a report and get some prejudiced comments. Either way I posted and if it some way my information and report helps a least one person at least with the topic of an update in price, then it was worth it.

And no, I may be an American born citizen, but my folks are Mexican, and I do not fit any of you all stereotypes, I am actually 5'7 in height, weight only like 135 pounds so no beer belly, and I am if anything a very humble and generous guy and have no problem hunting for putas in el centro, la mayorista, minorista, shit I will go to San Javier and I know for a fact I blend in more than you all LOL. As matter of fact on my next trip there in a few weeks aside from women hunting with my buddy, I will do an extended stay there and when my buddy leaves from MDE I will pretend to have just arrived to a chica I told you all about earlier and we planning to do an excursion to impoverished area of el choco and I am going to go to help and even donate a good deal of money to the cause.[/QUOTE]Your post looking for backdoor activities is not real common in Colombia. You should head to perhaps Brazil where it will be more common.

Hello all,

I'm planning a trip to Medellin in October and read something about a past Pablo Escobar mansion that is now a great Casa / Brothel with a large selection on women and lots of fun.

Does anyone have any intel on this location or other recos?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1926036]Your post looking for backdoor activities is not real common in Colombia. You should head to perhaps Brazil where it will be more common.[/QUOTE]Well I would not say uncommon either, as you saw on my post, there were a few girls that were willing to do it no prob with just an normal upcharge, and some that were hesitant but once I gave them a tip that was higher than the service, they did gave in to it. Of course there were chicks that no matter how much I offer they would not give up their culito, just like when I went it with those 4 girls from energy, I offered them all 4 extra money for anal and only two obliged, the other two looked like they would say no no matter how much I gave, so going on by that scenario its a 50/50 ratio. However a good amount about 90% of pros I have encountered do allow ass eating towards them, tho I do admit that a much smaller amount allow themselves to eat my ass LOL.

I would never go to Brazil, just from reading a few posts on threads here in ISG it looks like it is a lot more expensive there than in Medellin not just on mongering but going out to eat, transportation etc etc. Add that in Brazil I don't have a hookup to stay in an apartment nor do I know portuguese and I despise language barriers in sex, nothing can be more of a turn off than losing myself in translation trying to explain to her that I want to fuck or suction her culo LOL.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1925999]Not if you go to spending $700 for sexo. From that very moment you will stick out like a sore thumb. LOL.[/QUOTE]No shit Sherlock, but obviously if I was there for any reason I would not lavishly spend my money there nor have it visible, I would not even carry my Iphone or watch there nor would I carry my money in my pocket, the very little bit I will hide in my shoe soil. Believe me I am not at all worried where I walk over there in Medellin, I earned a black belt in aikido a while back to make up for my small stature and if a thug or a niño rata want to rob me, even if he is armed you better believe that I will be the one ending up with the gun LOL (now if it is multiple armed thugs then yeah I don't retaliate LOL I am not stupid either).

Warning. I'm going to ramble but stick to what may interest you. I'm currently staying in Laureles. I've been reading this forum for years like way back when the mansion was a penthouse in Poblado. I was present for the Medellin incident way back with the Pereira girls. I haven't been there since the pool was painted with the futbol logo. I stay at both club campestres for golf and tennis. For the cool guys that don't know there is a great club campestre in llano grande and lots of action for non pros abound there. I play at country club el rodeo too. I'm in Laureles for another night because I do a certain other sport in el estadio.

This is probably my 30th trip here and I have so much tang now. I've got access to the Colombian version of mamba and today I had a 19 year old stewardess in training knocking on my door with her uniform on and had her naked 2 hours later after a nice dinner. I guess there is a school for this and it must be a scam because she said shell have to learn English to get a good job or even a job. She can't speak a lick.

Since arriving I have romanced and abused four girls that are no worse than an 8 and all are Caucasian and racist. Because I always talk politics with my girls I get to know them a little better. Non prefer dark skinned neighbors. I say this because I'm very white and handsome and I'm not your typical single male goober tourist. I've also met many men on my trips just on the courts. I'm going to the Medellin match Wednesday at 6:30. Colombian guys can turn the pages and get me in social clicks. Tomorrow I meet another light haired girl with green eyes at the San Antonio stop that said she has a boyfriend. Maybe hes an arse or poor. Poor people get on my freaking nerves but in Colombia it sure creates opportunities if you don't mind a little paying for dinners, cabs and plane tickets to the coast.

Well the only other thing I can think of is that a lot of the BS you guys argue about is the same BS that the last litter of mongers argued about.

Traveling to Medellin in September 10-15 solo for this first time. Curious if anyone has feedback on the escort websites? Would like to order in some. I know backpage and such in the US is pretty much bullshit! T but wondering if the Medellin sites are more legit. Here are a couple that stuck out as possibly TGTBT. I subscribed to this website but am having a little difficulty with the format for searches / organization. Any tips / pointers are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[URL]http://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/angelica-modelo-internacional-de-paso-por-tu-ciudad-sexy-ardiente-unica-bella/1591274/[/URL]

[URL]http://bellezaspaisas.net/prepago-medellin-yandra.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ToddTex;1926061]Hello all,

I'm planning a trip to Medellin in October and read something about a past Pablo Escobar mansion that is now a great Casa / Brothel with a large selection on women and lots of fun.

Does anyone have any intel on this location or other recos?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's called Loutrons. Making my first trip to MDE in Selt and definitely plan on checking it out. Supposed to be premium girls for premium prices.

[QUOTE=GottaGO;1926081]Warning. I'm going to ramble but stick to what may interest you. I'm currently staying in Laureles. I've been reading this forum for years like way back when the mansion was a penthouse in Poblado. I was present for the Medellin incident way back with the Pereira girls. I haven't been there since the pool was painted with the futbol logo. I stay at both club campestres for golf and tennis. For the cool guys that don't know there is a great club campestre in llano grande and lots of action for non pros abound there. I play at country club el rodeo too. I'm in Laureles for another night because I do a certain other sport in el estadio.

This is probably my 30th trip here and I have so much tang now. I've got access to the Colombian version of mamba and today I had a 19 year old stewardess in training knocking on my door with her uniform on and had her naked 2 hours later after a nice dinner. I guess there is a school for this and it must be a scam because she said shell have to learn English to get a good job or even a job. She can't speak a lick.

Since arriving I have romanced and abused four girls that are no worse than an 8 and all are Caucasian and racist..[/QUOTE]You are certainly very proud of yourself! I guess if you aren't, who would be huh?

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1926075]little bit I will hide in my shoe soil. [/QUOTE]Any thief worth his salt asks his victim to remove his shoes. Since you are trying to rehabilitate yourself, convince us that you are not foolish afterall, this one I'm afraid earns you no points. .

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1926075]Believe me I am not at all worried where I walk over there in Medellin, I earned a black belt in aikido[/QUOTE]Lololol Whatever man, like that has anything to do with the price of rice in China. Lolol.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1926075] if a thug or a nio rata want to rob me, even if he is armed you better believe that I will be the one ending up with the gun[/QUOTE]Okay, and I guess next you'll tell us that your aikido moves are so effective that you can neutralize flying bullets. Rofl.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1926075] I am not stupid either).[/QUOTE]Okay, but are you sure? I must confess that after reading of your spending habits at Energy along with this follow up post I have my doubts.

[QUOTE=GottaGO;1926081]Warning. I'm going to ramble but stick to what may interest you. I'm currently staying in Laureles. I've been reading this forum for years like way back when the mansion was a penthouse in Poblado. I was present for the Medellin incident way back with the Pereira girls. I haven't been there since the pool was painted with the futbol logo. I stay at both club campestres for golf and tennis. For the cool guys that don't know there is a great club campestre in llano grande and lots of action for non pros abound there. I play at country club el rodeo too. I'm in Laureles for another night because I do a certain other sport in el estadio.

This is probably my 30th trip here and I have so much tang now. I've got access to the Colombian version of mamba and today I had a 19 year old stewardess in training knocking on my door with her uniform on and had her naked 2 hours later after a nice dinner. I guess there is a school for this and it must be a scam because she said shell have to learn English to get a good job or even a job. She can't speak a lick.

Since arriving I have romanced and abused four girls that are no worse than an 8 and all are Caucasian and racist. Because I always talk politics with my girls I get to know them a little better. Non prefer dark skinned neighbors. I say this because I'm very white and handsome and I'm not your typical single male goober tourist. I've also met many men on my trips just on the courts. I'm going to the Medellin match Wednesday at 6:30. Colombian guys can turn the pages and get me in social clicks. Tomorrow I meet another light haired girl with green eyes at the San Antonio stop that said she has a boyfriend. Maybe hes an arse or poor. Poor people get on my freaking nerves but in Colombia it sure creates opportunities if you don't mind a little paying for dinners, cabs and plane tickets to the coast.

Well the only other thing I can think of is that a lot of the BS you guys argue about is the same BS that the last litter of mongers argued about.[/QUOTE]I cannot let this go! Yes, I am black and I grew up poor and was with Bird last night and he grew up in Magnolia and he grew up poor too! SO WHAT! I hope I go to heaven I know I am not perfect, but when the question is asked did I forget where I came from I can at least say last night when we spilled drinks in VIP and the young Dominican cat that came over and mopped it up and we told him he needed to put his mop down and have shots of patron with us and the owner of the club let him hang with us. He knew he had no choice. We wanted to show everyone in the club we are better than no one and we got money! In fact, Bird bought T the new jeep Bently and that is not even out yet. You know you cannot do that. Now, let's go over something all those racists young girls you talk too who do not like blacks, trust me when we come to town and I think it will be in November they will be begging to get in the club when we party. Why you think that happens? Take notes, it is because young women want to party at the hottest events and dance to the hottest beats with cool people. The girls you thought were racists they will not want to talk or be seen with you in the club as they want to look cool and the way you talk and think you have absolutely no swagger. Let me say this again, if you are really popping you do not care what another man looks like or does in life and your thankful everyday you doing well in life. A weak man is always trying to tell everyone he is doing well. He just an insecure *****! Who cares if a man wears flip flops with socks and has a belly if he has a hot chick on his arm I am happy for him. Never going to hate. Show stop when I walk into the club and thankful I am fortunate to have it like that. "To whom much is given much is expected". We are flying private when we come tell us the country club you talk about, but afraid to share, Bird and I play golf and we are not members of that club people invite you too. Trust me they will let us in and will want to take pictures. Happens all the time. You be surprised all the racists who want to hang with us! Them old cats sitting right next to us in VIP from the country club and having the time of there life! That's game son - kick rocks!!!

[QUOTE=Revere;1926307]Who cares if a man wears flip flops with socks and has a belly [/QUOTE]Well it's actually sandals with socks but close enough. We are talking about the uniform. LOL And all are of course free to go to Medellin dressed like one is in the US, acting like one is in the US, and spending like one is in the US. But don't look for any help from us that go by the philosophy "when in Rome, do as the Romans do. " We'the just as soon segregate that arrogance in Costa Rica where it has a long history and well established foothold. Now that will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] some people off, but at least when they find that some are not eager to help them with info they now know why.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1925588]BUMP guys,

What's the haps on Energy lately?[/QUOTE]Why don't you go pay a visit and report back to us? The most it will cost you is $50 and it sure is a lot more rewarding than bumping up an old thread.

Dang. Tell it is like it is. Haha. I'm just mocking how stupid you sound. Who gives a fuck how cool you think you two guys are?

[QUOTE=Revere;1926307]I cannot let this go! Yes, I am black and I grew up poor and was with Bird last night and he grew up in Magnolia and he grew up poor too! SO WHAT! I hope I go to heaven I know I am not perfect, but when the question is asked did I forget where I came from I can at least say last night when we spilled drinks in VIP and the young Dominican cat that came over and mopped it up and we told him he needed to put his mop down and have shots of patron with us and the owner of the club let him hang with us. He knew he had no choice. We wanted to show everyone in the club we are better than no one and we got money! In fact, Bird bought T the new jeep Bently and that is not even out yet. You know you cannot do that. Now, let's go over something all those racists young girls you talk too who do not like blacks, trust me when we come to town and I think it will be in November they will be begging to get in the club when we party. Why you think that happens? Take notes, it is because young women want to party at the hottest events and dance to the hottest beats with cool people. The girls you thought were racists they will not want to talk or be seen with you in the club as they want to look cool and the way you talk and think you have absolutely no swagger. Let me say this again, if you are really popping you do not care what another man looks like or does in life and your thankful everyday you doing well in life. A weak man is always trying to tell everyone he is doing well. He just an insecure *****! Who cares if a man wears flip flops with socks and has a belly if he has a hot chick on his arm I am happy for him. Never going to hate. Show stop when I walk into the club and thankful I am fortunate to have it like that. "To whom much is given much is expected". We are flying private when we come tell us the country club you talk about, but afraid to share, Bird and I play golf and we are not members of that club people invite you too. Trust me they will let us in and will want to take pictures. Happens all the time. You be surprised all the racists who want to hang with us! Them old cats sitting right next to us in VIP from the country club and having the time of there life! That's game son - kick rocks!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1926402]Why don't you go pay a visit and report back to us? The most it will cost you is $50 and it sure is a lot more rewarding than bumping up an old thread.[/QUOTE]That's too logical, way too simple a solution.

[QUOTE=GottaGO;1926081]Warning. I'm going to ramble but stick to what may interest you. I'm currently staying in Laureles. I've been reading this forum for years like way back when the mansion was a penthouse in Poblado. I was present for the Medellin incident way back with the Pereira girls. I haven't been there since the pool was painted with the futbol logo. I stay at both club campestres for golf and tennis. For the cool guys that don't know there is a great club campestre in llano grande and lots of action for non pros abound there. I play at country club el rodeo too. I'm in Laureles for another night because I do a certain other sport in el estadio.

This is probably my 30th trip here and I have so much tang now. I've got access to the Colombian version of mamba and today I had a 19 year old stewardess in training knocking on my door with her uniform on and had her naked 2 hours later after a nice dinner. I guess there is a school for this and it must be a scam because she said shell have to learn English to get a good job or even a job. She can't speak a lick.

Since arriving I have romanced and abused four girls that are no worse than an 8 and all are Caucasian and racist. Because I always talk politics with my girls I get to know them a little better. Non prefer dark skinned neighbors. I say this because I'm very white and handsome and I'm not your typical single male goober tourist. I've also met many men on my trips just on the courts. I'm going to the Medellin match Wednesday at 6:30. Colombian guys can turn the pages and get me in social clicks. Tomorrow I meet another light haired girl with green eyes at the San Antonio stop that said she has a boyfriend. Maybe hes an arse or poor. Poor people get on my freaking nerves but in Colombia it sure creates opportunities if you don't mind a little paying for dinners, cabs and plane tickets to the coast.

Well the only other thing I can think of is that a lot of the BS you guys argue about is the same BS that the last litter of mongers argued about.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your post. Are you a member at Campestre? If not, do you have to have a member invite you to go? I'd love to play some golf and tennis while on vacation in MDE. I had a non-pro Paisa invite me to Campestre with her once, but she wasn't so hot, so I didn't take her up on it.

What's the deal with the Hotel there? If you stay there, can you use their facilities?

Thanks in advance. I've dabbled a bit in non-pro action in MDE. It can be done if you have time on the ground and get outside of Poblado (and speak Spanish). However, given that my trips are generally two weeks or less, the pro route usually makes more sense.

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Since arriving I have romanced and abused four girls that are no worse than an 8 and all are Caucasian and racist. Because I always talk politics with my girls I get to know them a little better. Non prefer dark skinned neighbors. I say this because I'm very white and handsome and I'm not your typical single male goober tourist.[/QUOTE]I would say generally most women are racist until they find out that you are are not broke.

Ask little Wayne and Aziz.

(I was tempted to Use Tiger Woods as an example, but felt that would be too easy)

I'm sure I've seen something along the lines of [i]"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac"[/i] around here somewhere...

Perverted, really? Isn't that a little judgmental? It's not what I would choose to do but, wow, I would never go in on a guy for being honest about what he wants to do.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1925563]For these type of services you you could probably get some skanky sacaleros in El Centro who wouldn't charge more than 20 K per session so you can do the math as to how much you would spend on such a perverted type of trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1926432]I would say generally most women are racist until they find out that you are are not broke.

Ask little Wayne.

I'm sure I've seen something along the lines of [i]"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac"[/i] around here somewhere...[/QUOTE]Save it kills them when your not racist have more money than them can walk into the club hit the dj take it over and then shoot in the low 80's the next day. The hottest chick's want to hang at your table, but they call you stupid, but have to wait in line to get in! You see them thinking how can this be who is he?

Are you being fair to the girls you mention when you describe them as racist? Are you sure it's not you who is the racist?

[QUOTE=GottaGO;1926081]Warning. I'm going to ramble but stick to what may interest you. I'm currently staying in Laureles. I've been reading this forum for years like way back when the mansion was a penthouse in Poblado. I was present for the Medellin incident way back with the Pereira girls. I haven't been there since the pool was painted with the futbol logo. I stay at both club campestres for golf and tennis. For the cool guys that don't know there is a great club campestre in llano grande and lots of action for non pros abound there. I play at country club el rodeo too. I'm in Laureles for another night because I do a certain other sport in el estadio.

This is probably my 30th trip here and I have so much tang now. I've got access to the Colombian version of mamba and today I had a 19 year old stewardess in training knocking on my door with her uniform on and had her naked 2 hours later after a nice dinner..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1925588]BUMP guys,

What's the haps on Energy lately?[/QUOTE]You should check this girl out Samantha, I uploaded some pics of her, she was there a month and a half ago so I am not sure if she still there, but she was one of the girls from my orgy, a Esperanza gomez wannabe look she had with nice fake tits, she was sweet and while she was one of the ones that did not offer anal, she compensated with other feats, she knows how to twerk and ride your cock good, plus you can always stick your tongue on her * LOL.

Also another recommendation will be Gabriela, like 18 or 19 and very sweet brunette chick, she had braces and had a nice little mole on her right butt check, very delicious and does do anal, very complacent and a very delicious asshole too, yum yum. (I don't have pics of her tho bro).

[QUOTE=Paulie97;1926306]Any thief worth his salt asks his victim to remove his shoes. Since you are trying to rehabilitate yourself, convince us that you are not foolish afterall, this one I'm afraid earns you no points. .

Lololol Whatever man, like that has anything to do with the price of rice in China. Lolol.

Okay, and I guess next you'll tell us that your aikido moves are so effective that you can neutralize flying bullets. Rofl.

Okay, but are you sure? I must confess that after reading of your spending habits at Energy along with this follow up post I have my doubts.[/QUOTE]Lets stop and analyze and think for a second, why are we even arguing for? LOL we are in a sex forum where we should be focusing all our energy to contribute useful information on obtaining sex whether it be Pay for play or free or whatever, my problem is the same as yours as that I have an obsessive compulsive disorder as much as you do to reply and argue back and forth LOL I have been thinking about just ignoring your posts because I am inclined to think that you are just taking pleasure of trolling me LOL but legit tho at what point did I give a you a sense of arrogance? Was it because of what I shared on how I foolishly overspent on energy? Come on. Man, cut me some slack, plus would it bother you that I told you it was not my only occasion I spent money like that there? And are you going to tell me that at one point of your life you never gotten drunk and overspent and indulged a little? I noticed it was only because of that little fact that you started harassing and bullying me, I even mentioned I did casa hunts at el centro even tho I have only really been to new life, blue room and sexy fantasias and you never mention anything negative about that. The only reason I go to energy is because it is walking distance from the apartment I stay at over there, and whether or not you believe its overpriced the selection of women are outstanding, sorry to say but they were a one step above centro chicas, which I am not saying they are bad or ugly or anything or equating higher priced sex to superior service, not at all, but they were more variety of sexier chicks, the selection of women of all the times I have gone have been great so that's why I continue going. Anyways, lets just call truce man and I will do my best to not get off topic and whenever AI have an experience in Medellin when it comes to pros (I don't see any reason to share my non pro action as with non pros I am a lot more respectful and discreet towards them, working girls are working girls you know whatever we can share whatever we want about them I am sure we are all at some point "hermanos de leche" LOL) I will just contribute info on chicas from casas and all that and which to recommend and which to avoid, I won't even mention in detail how much I spent or even the explicit details, just get on point with the subject and provide whatever valuable info I can to any readers out there. The least thing I want to do is cause a sleight to someones vanity.

(BTW, just because of the OCD, the only reason I mentioned that whole aikido thing is because my sensei trained me very extensively on how to disarm a person if they were pointing a gun towards me, whether it be behind me on my back, in front of me towards my body or my head, or on my side. As a matter of fact I always practiced with him using a unloaded gun, the best way to disarm and to to know how to defend myself if I had a gun pointed towards me, and we practiced so many times that I swear it is in my muscle memory and I am pretty confident that I can disarm one amateur thief in the street if needed, fortunately I have yet to do that and I hope I will never have to LOL).

P.S. Out of curiosity, I will not get shot at if I go to energy next time and if a jerk on here in ISG were to tell her that I uploaded a picture of her online right? If that is the case will the editor and and or Mod delete the pics then if it will cause me to lose my life.

[QUOTE=Combo;1926428]Thanks for your post. Are you a member at Campestre? If not, do you have to have a member invite you to go? I'd love to play some golf and tennis while on vacation in MDE. I had a non-pro Paisa invite me to Campestre with her once, but she wasn't so hot, so I didn't take her up on it.

What's the deal with the Hotel there? If you stay there, can you use their facilities?

Thanks in advance. I've dabbled a bit in non-pro action in MDE. It can be done if you have time on the ground and get outside of Poblado (and speak Spanish). However, given that my trips are generally two weeks or less, the pro route usually makes more sense.[/QUOTE]Good tennis players are in demand so I got in through invitations from their pros and players. El rodeo has contracts with san Fernando plaza and other hotels I think. El rodeo is better, Campestre in llano grande is the best. Slalom skiing, golf, tennis, polo. Very private and very choose if you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1926432]I would say generally most women are racist until they find out that you are are not broke.

Ask little Wayne and Aziz.

(I was tempted to Use Tiger Woods as an example, but felt that would be too easy)

I'm sure I've seen something along the lines of [i]"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac"[/i] around here somewhere...[/QUOTE]No such thing as rich and too _ Put any perceived negative in the blank.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1926489]No such thing as rich and too _ Put any perceived negative in the blank.[/QUOTE]And I would say a good number of us are considered to be rich compared to the average South American.

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[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1926460] Man, cut me some slack...I noticed it was only because of that little fact that you started harassing and bullying me...[/QUOTE]You don't sound like any ninja warrior to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1926460] The only reason I go to energy is because it is walking distance from the apartment I stay at over there, and whether or not you believe its overpriced the selection of women are outstanding, sorry to say but they were a one step above centro chicas,[/QUOTE]For the record I disagree with this.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1926460]P.S. Out of curiosity, I will not get shot at if I go to energy next time and if a jerk on here in ISG were to tell her that I uploaded a picture of her online right? If that is the case will the editor and and or Mod delete the pics then if it will cause me to lose my life.[/QUOTE]You should never publish a photo of a chica without first getting her permission, and the fact that you paid her 10 times the going rate makes no difference.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1926588]And I would say a good number of us are considered to be rich compared to the average South American.[/QUOTE]Exactly my point.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1926460]You should check this girl out Samantha, I uploaded some pics of her, she was there a month and a half ago so I am not sure if she still there, but she was one of the girls from my orgy, a Esperanza gomez wannabe look she had with nice fake tits, she was sweet and while she was one of the ones that did not offer anal, she compensated with other feats, she knows how to twerk anwd ride your cock good, plus you can always stick your tongue on her * LOL.

Also another recommendation will be Gabriela, like 18 or 19 and very sweet brunette chick, she had braces and had a nice little mole on her right butt check, very delicious and does do anal, very complacent and a very delicious asshole too, yum yum. (I don't have pics of her tho bro).

Lets stop and analyze and think for a second, why are we even arguing for? LOL we are in a sex forum where we should be focusing all our energy to contribute useful information on obtaining sex whether it be Pay for play or free or whatever, my problem is the same as yours as that I have an obsessive compulsive disorder as much as you do to reply and argue back and forth LOL I have been thinking about just ignoring your posts because I am inclined to think that you are just taking pleasure of trolling me LOL but legit tho at what point did I give a you a sense of arrogance? Was it because of what I shared on how I foolishly overspent on energy? Come on. Man, cut me some slack, plus would it bother you that I told you it was not my only occasion I spent money like that there? And are you going to tell me that at one point of your life you never gotten drunk and overspent and indulged a little? I noticed it was only because of that little fact that you started harassing and bullying me, I even mentioned I did casa hunts at el centro even tho I have only really been to new life, blue room and sexy fantasias and you never mention anything negative about that. The only reason I go to energy is because it is walking distance from the apartment I stay at over there, and whether or not you believe its overpriced the selection of women are outstanding, sorry to say but they were a one step above centro chicas, which I am not saying they are bad or ugly or anything or equating higher priced sex to superior service, not at all, but they were more variety of sexier chicks, the selection of women of all the times I have gone have been great so that's why I continue going. Anyways, lets just call truce man and I will do my best to not get off topic and whenever AI have an experience in Medellin when it comes to pros (I don't see any reason to share my non pro action as with non pros I am a lot more respectful and discreet towards them, working girls are working girls you know whatever we can share whatever we want about them I am sure we are all at some point "hermanos de leche" LOL) I will just contribute info on chicas from casas and all that and which to recommend and which to avoid, I won't even mention in detail how much I spent or even the explicit details, just get on point with the subject and provide whatever valuable info I can to any readers out there. The least thing I want to do is cause a sleight to someones vanity.

(BTW, just because of the OCD, the only reason I mentioned that whole aikido thing is because my sensei trained me very extensively on how to disarm a person if they were pointing a gun towards me, whether it be behind me on my back, in front of me towards my body or my head, or on my side. As a matter of fact I always practiced with him using a unloaded gun, the best way to disarm and to to know how to defend myself if I had a gun pointed towards me, and we practiced so many times that I swear it is in my muscle memory and I am pretty confident that I can disarm one amateur thief in the street if needed, fortunately I have yet to do that and I hope I will never have to LOL).

P.S. Out of curiosity, I will not get shot at if I go to energy next time and if a jerk on here in ISG were to tell her that I uploaded a picture of her online right? If that is the case will the editor and and or Mod delete the pics then if it will cause me to lose my life.[/QUOTE]Thanks homie!!

Good to hear that place is still popping.

Did yky see a pale skinned red head with a fatty and a pair of bolt ONS??

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1927715]Thanks homie!!

Good to hear that place is still popping.

Did yky see a pale skinned red head with a fatty and a pair of bolt ONS??[/QUOTE]There were many chicks that fit the description of fake tits and a nice ass, but there were so many that time that I do not remember if noticed a redhead pale skin with fake tits and a big ass, I know the times I went month a half ago I did not have a service with a redhead, but like I said who knows because she could might as well be there because I would not notice a chick like that, my fascination is with slim chicks how I like to call them "huesito castigador".

Maybe she is still there man, if she is make sure to keep her contact that way you can keep tabs on her in case she goes to another casa or she goes independent or whatever.

She may have dyed her hair once or twice.

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1927739]There were many chicks that fit the description of fake tits and a nice ass, but there were so many that time that I do not remember if noticed a redhead pale skin with fake tits and a big ass, I know the times I went month a half ago I did not have a service with a redhead, but like I said who knows because she could might as well be there because I would not notice a chick like that, my fascination is with slim chicks how I like to call them "huesito castigador".

Maybe she is still there man, if she is make sure to keep her contact that way you can keep tabs on her in case she goes to another casa or she goes independent or whatever.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CPlusPlus;1927739]There were many chicks that fit the description of fake tits and a nice ass, but there were so many that time that I do not remember if noticed a redhead pale skin with fake tits and a big ass, I know the times I went month a half ago I did not have a service with a redhead, but like I said who knows because she could might as well be there because I would not notice a chick like that, my fascination is with slim chicks how I like to call them "huesito castigador".

Maybe she is still there man, if she is make sure to keep her contact that way you can keep tabs on her in case she goes to another casa or she goes independent or whatever.[/QUOTE]Will do. I'll have a nice detail report coming soon!!

Dollar has taken a 10% beat down in the last couple of months. The places close to Parque Lleras are offering a high of cop2770 and a low of cop2700. What are the places at the mall offering?

Yeah, yeah, I know. I could the xyz credit card and use and ATM. Blah, blah, blah. I have my reasons for not wanting to do that.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1928907]Yeah, yeah, I know. I could the xyz credit card and use and ATM. Blah, blah, blah. I have my reasons for not wanting to do that.[/QUOTE]That's pretty funny! As I read the first sentence I was thinking, Charles Schwab card would get you. Then I read the second sentence & had a little chuckle!

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1928907]Dollar has taken a 10% beat down in the last couple of months. The places close to Parque Lleras are offering a high of cop2770 and a low of cop2700. What are the places at the mall offering?

Yeah, yeah, I know. I could the xyz credit card and use and ATM. Blah, blah, blah. I have my reasons for not wanting to do that.[/QUOTE]I am getting 2,975 through the ATM. Right now in Poblado. I guess your reasons are good enough to accept a lower rate which will most likely always be the case in casas the cambio.

Does anyone know the name of the establishment? There are two apartments in Hotel LLeras definitely with chicas working. I am staying at the hotel with the novia and will not partake, but was curious. Have run a search on forum but cannot find anything. Both apartments are on the second floor.

I was going to play, called the club El Rodeo and they said come on. In fact I called them from the States. We ended up not playing, but it seems they welcome foreigners.

[URL]http://www.clubelrodeo.co/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Combo;1926428]Thanks for your post. Are you a member at Campestre? If not, do you have to have a member invite you to go? I'd love to play some golf and tennis while on vacation in MDE. I had a non-pro Paisa invite me to Campestre with her once, but she wasn't so hot, so I didn't take her up on it.

What's the deal with the Hotel there? If you stay there, can you use their facilities?

Thanks in advance. I've dabbled a bit in non-pro action in MDE. It can be done if you have time on the ground and get outside of Poblado (and speak Spanish). However, given that my trips are generally two weeks or less, the pro route usually makes more sense.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1929060]I was going to play, called the club El Rodeo and they said come on. In fact I called them from the States. We ended up not playing, but it seems they welcome foreigners.

[URL]http://www.clubelrodeo.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow, that's great news. I'm down there for a couple weeks in December and I'd love to get a few rounds in. It's very conveniently located also.

It's my first time to Medellin. I was lucky enough to go to the futbol game yesterday. Today I just wandering around. Riding the metro and some cable cars. I got off the train near the stadium and visited Energy Spa. Easy system, they had about 8 nice ladies. Damage was about 140 k for a hour with massage and all the extras. Thanks to the folks of this forum for the good reports and information.

[QUOTE=Tbird;1929032]Does anyone know the name of the establishment? There are two apartments in Hotel LLeras definitely with chicas working. I am staying at the hotel with the novia and will not partake, but was curious. Have run a search on forum but cannot find anything. Both apartments are on the second floor.[/QUOTE]I know Barry has a studio apartment in there in the second floor. Apt 201. He rents out to gringos so maybe it's just girls the gringo is banging.

Does anyone have anything to report about a place called. Thai Spa? What about another spot called Jade Place near Parque Lleras? Thanks in advance for any info to be had.

[QUOTE=CincyVirgo;1929551]Does anyone have anything to report about a place called. Thai Spa? What about another spot called Jade Place near Parque Lleras? Thanks in advance for any info to be had.[/QUOTE]Check my Medellin post from July. Reviews on both places.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1906191]The reality is that 5 years ago Colombia welcomed the gringo. A gringo can and is any white skinned man be it Australian, European, Israeli, US guy or from where ever basically. Today the perception HAS completely changed. Gringos only come to fuck the Colombians on sex tours and drug addicts on drug binges.

It's sad but true. The perception is in fact in the process of shifting from single gringos being welcomed to Colombia to stay away you sex and drug addicted gringos.

This is just the start and the tip, it will get worse. I have my ears to the ground and have been watching this is like seeing a train wreck in the process.

So if your traveling to Colombia, any city be it MDE or Bogota or Cali or CTG, and your traveling alone or with another man (not a family) it is assumed now that your on a sex and or drug tourist vacation. This is especially true if your over 40 years of age.

Stay low and stay clear of drama and don't promote sex and drug tourism like these others have done. Big egos gets these boys into serious trouble and have any of you seen the inside of the overcrowded filthy Colombian prisons. It takes 4 years plus just to get to trial if you can live that long.

TTM.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. They call anyone from the western world, with a western accent a gringo. It is not regulated to whites.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1929540]I know Barry has a studio apartment in there in the second floor. Apt 201. He rents out to gringos so maybe it's just girls the gringo is banging.[/QUOTE]He used to have two apartments on the second floor, don't know about now. Maybe he is renting them to chicas. I have a FB friend who posted a while back that she has an apartment in Poblado. I think she is getting a group of chicas to work with her. Maybe she is working there.

[QUOTE=Culture;1929586]Incorrect. They call anyone from the western world, with a western accent a gringo. It is not regulated to whites.[/QUOTE]I disagree with because of personal experience, every time I travel to a Latin American country I get the total opposite effect including Colombia. I am a technically a "gringo" since I was born in US soil and lived practically my whole life in the US, and I spend money like a gringo and live like one but since I am not a a typical tall Caucasian guy or black, and I am a short brown skinned Mexican American I do not get that stereotype, if anything whenever I go to Colombia and they ask me where I am from, if I tell them I am American they mostly make fun of me or think I am trying to "pretend" to be American, usually I get a funny response from Colombians like "si tu eres gringo entonces yo soy aleman jajajja" (If your a gringo then I am a German). So no, based on my personal experience I actually feel the gringo stereotype is exclusively for the white man.

[QUOTE=Culture;1929586]Incorrect. They call anyone from the western world, with a western accent a gringo. It is not regulated to whites.[/QUOTE]Perhaps someone with experience can respond. Do they call African Americans gringos? If they do I'll be very surprised.

Yes, that long winded post was incorrect about that and several other things. Colombia has a very active international business sector, especially in the larger cities. Traveling alone or in a group of men does not necessarily raise a red flag. The normal immigration question you get when you tell them you are traveling on business is "what company are you with"? It's a standard security screen to see if you hesitate or can't come up with an answer. The investigation would begin at that point. What was correct about the original post were the points about promoting drugs or sex trade. It's unwise and risky to do it. For anyone who is inexperienced or nervous, you don't need to worry about immigration or day to day problems during your trip if (1) you are prepared with any reasonable explanation for your visit (e. G. Museums, study Spanish, business, whatever), and (2) you don't pimp, deal or smuggle drugs, or mess with white powdery things. It also helps to avoid public intoxication and obnoxious behavior if you can.

[QUOTE=Culture;1929586]Incorrect. They call anyone from the western world, with a western accent a gringo. It is not regulated to whites.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;1929885]Perhaps someone with experience can respond. Do they call African Americans gringos? If they do I'll be very surprised.[/QUOTE]Yes. I am Black American. My girl from Venezuela visited me in the States a couple of weeks ago and was telling my mother the origin of gringo which I looked up while still driving and there was no hint of that origin. But she said it stemmed from US military being in Central and South America with their green uniforms and the people shouting "Green Go" at them because they wanted them out of their countries. But my Brazilian friends call me gringo as well. It has nothing to do with color; because if you think about it, those countries are made of all shades of people too. So it is more about where you are from, and not the color of your skin.

[QUOTE=CincyVirgo;1929551]Does anyone have anything to report about a place called. Thai Spa? What about another spot called Jade Place near Parque Lleras? Thanks in advance for any info to be had.[/QUOTE]I tried Thai Spa. Its tucked away in a residential area and is clean and nice. The selection was kinda small. I lucked out and pulled a girl who was there on her first day. She did everything I asked. I totally enjoyed her. Its priced more like Energy but does not have the same talent. Its worth a try, but you may be out cab fare if you don't see something you like.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1929929] But she said it stemmed from US military being in Central and South America with their green uniforms and the people shouting "Green Go" at them because they wanted them out of their countries. [/QUOTE]I have heard that too, but it's bullshit. How do we know it's bullshit? Because the military wore blue and not green at the time of their little misadventures in Latin America. The word 'gringo' was well established before they ever wore green.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1929965]I have heard that too, but it's bullshit. How do we know it's bullshit? Because the military wore blue and not green at the time of their little misadventures in Latin America. The word 'gringo' was well established before they ever wore green.[/QUOTE]I remember Paul Harvey explaining the origin of the word "Gringo" during one of his "Rest of the Story" segments years ago. According to Harvey, the line of a popular song that cowboys used to sing back in the day on the prairies was "Green grows the wild grass all covered with dew. " From a distance, "green grows" sounded like "gringo" to Hispanics who heard it. Is it true? Meh, who knows.

I gave Jade Place a go. It very well located, just a few minutes easy walk from where I'm staying. Got there around lunch, was shown three girls. None were really what I normally look for. All three choices were dark and thick. Made a choice, had a really nice massage, that was the highlight. On the flip tried a few positions. But wasn't really into it so finished quick.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1929965]I have heard that too, but it's bullshit. How do we know it's bullshit? Because the military wore blue and not green at the time of their little misadventures in Latin America. The word 'gringo' was well established before they ever wore green.[/QUOTE]Here is an interesting discussion. Reportedly the word is found in print from late 1700's to early 1800's Spain which would rebut the green uniform association. The exact origin appears to be unknown but some theorize it derived from the Spanish word "griego" used in the Middle Ages to denote Greeks. The word gringo also appears to carry different shades of meaning depending on where it is used.

[URL]http://spanish.stackexchange.com/questions/1323/meaning-and-connotations-of-gringo[/URL]

Back in 2009, the park was a sleepy plaza surrounded by high end restaurants catering to the top 5% of local society, and those who could afford a fancy Sunday family meal asa treat. A crowd might be 100, maybe 200, people, and there would only be a couple cops patrolling the area.

A half dozen gringos drew a few curious stares, while the occassional middle aged gringo squiring a paisita half his age might get a "tsk tsk" and a momentary glare.

Fast forward to today. Crowds of 2,000 revelers on a weekend, 38-45 cops. A hundred ISG members would get lost among the sea of backpackers, faux Rastafarians, and "Sandal-istas". The Sandalistas don't stay in the expensive hotels, eat in the expensive hotels, or pay to drink in the better bars. They also seem adverse to soap and water, but the cloud of marijuana smoke seems to either cover up the BO, or dull their own sense of smell.

Many locals bought there town homes 5-20 years ago when it was the old Parque Lleras: quiet, clean, trendy, posh, safe. Three blocks away was enough to have peace and quiet. They are aghast that the park is like an aroused octopus, spreading its tentacles into the surrounding neighborhoods, 3, 5, and even 10 blocks away. Some homeowners are probably selling at a loss, as townhouse after town house is converted into a bar, a bistro, or a hostel.

The realization that Medellin was safe brought us down here, The decriminalization of marijuana laws, the perception that it was trendy and hip, and the crackdown in Amsterdam, brought the back packers here.

I think that the monger is being scapegoated. The middleaged monger spends a lot more a day than the sandalista.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1929965]I have heard that too, but it's bullshit. How do we know it's bullshit? Because the military wore blue and not green at the time of their little misadventures in Latin America. The word 'gringo' was well established before they ever wore green.[/QUOTE]Yeah, thought this word came about around the of Teddy Roosevelt and the Spanish-American War in 1896?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1930030]Yeah, thought this word came about around the of Teddy Roosevelt and the Spanish-American War in 1896?[/QUOTE]The oldest known use in literature is mid-18th century and it was in use in both the Old and New Worlds well before the Méxican War. What I was taught in my customs and cultures course was that it is an incorrect rendering or corruption of 'griego', which is used in Spain to describe incomprehensible speakers: [I]hablan en griego[/i], similar to how an English speaker might say, 'It's all Greek to me.'

Spanish-American War was 1898.

I was with you all the way until you suggested residents would sell at a loss to someone who turns the property into a bar or hotel. That doesn't add up. It's absolutely true the volume of revelers has seen explosive growth. That is why I have a hard time understanding how a property owner could lose money on a sale.

Agree 100% with your octopus analogy. See Provenza for proof positive. As for hostility toward May-December commercial couples, I think people who can't abide it avoid the area. It's a question of degrees really. There are certain pairings that even a low life like me would give a second look. But those are extreme tits out pros parading with cargo shorts and varicose vein loudmouths. Maybe it says more about me than it does about the punter / paisa pairs.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1930009]Back in 2009, the park was a sleepy plaza surrounded by high end restaurants catering to the top 5% of local society, and those who could afford a fancy Sunday family meal asa treat. A crowd might be 100, maybe 200, people, and there would only be a couple cops patrolling the area.

A half dozen gringos drew a few curious stares, while the occassional middle aged gringo squiring a paisita half his age might get a "tsk tsk" and a momentary glare.

Fast forward to today. Crowds of 2,000 revelers on a weekend, 38-45 cops. A hundred ISG members would get lost among the sea of backpackers, faux Rastafarians, and "Sandal-istas". The Sandalistas don't stay in the expensive hotels, eat in the expensive hotels, or pay to drink in the better bars. They also seem adverse to soap and water, but the cloud of marijuana smoke seems to either cover up the BO, or dull their own sense of smell.

Many locals bought there town homes 5-20 years ago when it was the old Parque Lleras: quiet, clean, trendy, posh, safe..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1930009]Back in 2009, the park was a sleepy plaza surrounded by high end restaurants catering to the top 5% of local society, and those who could afford a fancy Sunday family meal asa treat. A crowd might be 100, maybe 200, people, and there would only be a couple cops patrolling the area.

A half dozen gringos drew a few curious stares, while the occassional middle aged gringo squiring a paisita half his age might get a "tsk tsk" and a momentary glare.

Fast forward to today. Crowds of 2,000 revelers on a weekend, 38-45 cops. A hundred ISG members would get lost among the sea of backpackers, faux Rastafarians, and "Sandal-istas". The Sandalistas don't stay in the expensive hotels, eat in the expensive hotels, or pay to drink in the better bars. They also seem adverse to soap and water, but the cloud of marijuana smoke seems to either cover up the BO, or dull their own sense of smell. .[/QUOTE]I knew there was a reason I hated backpackers as far back as was old enough to be one of them (late 70's). But, I can't cry too much because during my visit to Medellin I never made it down to Poblado or Lleras Park. I was too busy scoping out working girls in Centro. And I can't say that I regret it. If people want to think everything outside of Poblado is "Centro" and dangerous, then let them do so. I was happy not seeing any other tourists, or hearing English. If they are too scared to get out of their enclave for hipsters and tourists, I will be happy with that. The erroneous perception of danger has always been beneficial to the savvy.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930058]I knew there was a reason I hated backpackers as far back as was old enough to be one of them (late 70's). But, I can't cry too much because during my visit to Medellin I never made it down to Poblado or Lleras Park. I was too busy scoping out working girls in Centro. And I can't say that I regret it. If people want to think everything outside of Poblado is "Centro" and dangerous, then let them do so. I was happy not seeing any other tourists, or hearing English. If they are too scared to get out of their enclave for hipsters and tourists, I will be happy with that. The erroneous perception of danger has always been beneficial to the savvy.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say the perception of danger in Centro is erroneous. It's not a particularly safe area, especially after dark. I hit Centro a couple times every visit, and my head is always on a swivel if it's after 7 PM. FWIW I speak Spanish and I've lived my whole life in a US City known for violent crime.

The erroneous perception might be that Parque Lleras is safe. Obvious Gringos staggering around drunk make easy targets.

[QUOTE=CincyVirgo;1929987]I gave Jade Place a go. It very well located, just a few minutes easy walk from where I'm staying. Got there around lunch, was shown three girls. None were really what I normally look for. All three choices were dark and thick. Made a choice, had a really nice massage, that was the highlight. On the flip tried a few positions. But wasn't really into it so finished quick.[/QUOTE]Can you share a little bit more about this place? Is it a casa, massage place, both. How much did it cost and for how long. And what is the address and cross streets.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1930058]I knew there was a reason I hated backpackers as far back as was old enough to be one of them (late 70's). But, I can't cry too much because during my visit to Medellin I never made it down to Poblado or Lleras Park. I was too busy scoping out working girls in Centro. And I can't say that I regret it. If people want to think everything outside of Poblado is "Centro" and dangerous, then let them do so. I was happy not seeing any other tourists, or hearing English. If they are too scared to get out of their enclave for hipsters and tourists, I will be happy with that. The erroneous perception of danger has always been beneficial to the savvy.[/QUOTE]El Centro is a dangerous place for the obvious gringo (blond hair / blue eyes) especially after dark and is not user friendly for someone with no Spanish speaking skills. Most mongers stay away from El Centro which is fine with me as I am happy as well not seeing tourists or other obvious gringos there. There are lots of diamonds in the rough available there and is my favorite place to meet girls in Medellin.

[QUOTE=EstebanH;1929940]I tried Thai Spa. Its tucked away in a residential area and is clean and nice. The selection was kinda small. I lucked out and pulled a girl who was there on her first day. She did everything I asked. I totally enjoyed her. Its priced more like Energy but does not have the same talent. Its worth a try, but you may be out cab fare if you don't see something you like.[/QUOTE]I agree with your assessment. The place is very good- and "high end", for Medellin.

Where else can you actually get a "nuru massage"? Serious question. If there were cheaper options I would try them.

It's worth going if you are going for the "nuru"-thing. My 2 centavos.

[QUOTE=Combo;1930092]I wouldn't say the perception of danger in Centro is erroneous. It's not a particularly safe area, especially after dark. I hit Centro a couple times every visit, and my head is always on a swivel if it's after 7 PM. FWIW I speak Spanish and I've lived my whole life in a US City known for violent crime.
The erroneous perception might be that Parque Lleras is safe. Obvious Gringos staggering around drunk make easy targets.[/QUOTE]100% correct. Centro is dangerous indeed.

Of course, that is not a reason to stay away of it (eheh), if one is conscious of the risk, is always with antennas on and is somehow "street-smart". All this does not make danger negligible, just reduces it, but one may deliberately decide to take a risk in change of some experience one could not get elsewhere.

I am personally happy that most of the regular tourists, especially from USA, are scared or not able to go around there alone. This makes it still pristine and definitely enjoyable for me.

[QUOTE=Lmarcone;1930108]I agree with your assessment. The place is very good- and "high end", for Medellin.
Where else can you actually get a "nuru massage"? Serious question. If there were cheaper options I would try them.
It's worth going if you are going for the "nuru"-thing. My 2 centavos.[/QUOTE]A "Thai Spa" with "nuru" massage in Colombia?? :eek: Ok, globalization is rampant, but there must be limits.

I remember once in Singapore I've seen a gym at ground floor with glass windows to let people from the street to see what's going on inside. There was a group of Chinese girls of all sizes and shapes, trying to dance some salsa or bachata under the guidance of a true Latin instructor (he looked Caraibic). His challenge was tough. I think that dancing bachata with a Chinese girl in Singapore is like trying to get a nuru massage in Colombia.

P.S.: I deliberately wrote " :eek: " knowing that here the smilies are disabled. But WHY the smilies must be disabled in the Colombia forums??

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1930218]A "Thai Spa" with "nuru" massage in Colombia?? :eek: Ok, globalization is rampant, but there must be limits.[/QUOTE]I guess you just found a limit. I have lived in Thailand for 6 years. Out of the 1000 massage places in my city, I have yet to see one with nuru massage. I think that is actually a Japanese thing.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1929965]I have heard that too, but it's bullshit. How do we know it's bullshit? Because the military wore blue and not green at the time of their little misadventures in Latin America. The word 'gringo' was well established before they ever wore green.[/QUOTE]Many years ago I was in company with a bevy of Colombian chicas and one playfully called another a gringa. This 'gringa' was a caucasian Colombian. I have always been made to understand that a gringo is firstly a foreigner and secondly a white man. I have watched hundreds of westerns and in none did a Mexican ever call a black man a gringo. It is understood.

[QUOTE=GottaGO;1926081]Warning. I'm going to ramble but stick to what may interest you. I'm currently staying in Laureles. I've been reading this forum for years like way back when the mansion was a penthouse in Poblado. I was present for the Medellin incident way back with the Pereira girls. I haven't been there since the pool was painted with the futbol logo. I stay at both club campestres for golf and tennis. For the cool guys that don't know there is a great club campestre in llano grande and lots of action for non pros abound there. I play at country club el rodeo too. I'm in Laureles for another night because I do a certain other sport in el estadio.

This is probably my 30th trip here and I have so much tang now. I've got access to the Colombian version of mamba and today I had a 19 year old stewardess in training knocking on my door with her uniform on and had her naked 2 hours later after a nice dinner. I guess there is a school for this and it must be a scam because she said shell have to learn English to get a good job or even a job. She can't speak a lick.

Since arriving I have romanced and abused four girls that are no worse than an 8 and all are Caucasian and racist..[/QUOTE]Got to Go. I have to ask. Was the stewardess Laura / Fernanda? Just curious.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1930094]Can you share a little bit more about this place? Is it a casa, massage place, both. How much did it cost and for how long. And what is the address and cross streets.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It really comes off more of a massage place. It's on the same block as Mondongos, directly above a pharmacy on that main street. After being buzzed in, I was told a few options. And that the 150,000 would include everything. They had me sit for a few minute, the girls got ready. Then I was shown three massage rooms, each with a girl inside wearing a formal massage uniform. Then I picked the girl I wanted, and paid. The massage really was great, it got some knots out for sure. After a long massage came the CBJ and more. After all was done she asked for 5000 extra for the condom. I think the have a website with videos. You can see the interior and the massage tables. Way way different vibe than excite by the stadium Where you get shown girls in sexy outfits, and you massage is them getting all slippery on your back. The girls there looked great, at Jade and the time of day I was there they were not very attractive.

I was about to dispute this but then I thought for a moment about how many gringos I run into in Centro - - very very few. Fewer now than say five years ago. Judging from what I read on ISG the gringo experience is all about the special interest hotel in Poblado.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1930102]El Centro is a dangerous place for the obvious gringo (blond hair / blue eyes) especially after dark and is not user friendly for someone with no Spanish speaking skills. Most mongers stay away from El Centro which is fine with me as I am happy as well not seeing tourists or other obvious gringos there. There are lots of diamonds in the rough available there and is my favorite place to meet girls in Medellin.[/QUOTE]

Don't take this the wrong way but westerns are not a valid reference for real life. After all, most of the native Americans and Mexicans are portrayed by Caucasian actors.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1930288]Many years ago I was in company with a bevy of Colombian chicas and one playfully called another a gringa. This 'gringa' was a caucasian Colombian. I have always been made to understand that a gringo is firstly a foreigner and secondly a white man. I have watched hundreds of westerns and in none did a Mexican ever call a black man a gringo. It is understood.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1926432]I would say generally most women are racist until they find out that you are are not broke.

Ask little Wayne and Aziz.

(I was tempted to Use Tiger Woods as an example, but felt that would be too easy)

I'm sure I've seen something along the lines of [i]"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac"[/i] around here somewhere...[/QUOTE]Although those women may have been attracted to dark men all along. However having money, power, fame. Will totally open up more legs than being without.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;1913945]Nearly everything is shut down on Christmas, New years holidays, semana santa, and election day.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MadVillian;1913916]I personally have never been during this time, but anecdotally I understand it to be a not so great time to be mongering. People are with there family and friends during the holidays. I would look to book your trip pre or post holiday season to get the best potential lineups.[/QUOTE]Gracias fellas. I guess a NYE trip is out unless I have a regular girl to hang with.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1930371]I was about to dispute this but then I thought for a moment about how many gringos I run into in Centro - - very very few. Fewer now than say five years ago. Judging from what I read on ISG the gringo experience is all about the special interest hotel in Poblado.[/QUOTE]I have observed an increase in gringos over the past five years as evidenced by what the girls have been telling me and my observations of large tour groups in the area which were pretty much didn't exist five years ago. I have also noticed more mongers in town as well especially around the Museum / Church / Botero Plaza area. I know this I have spent a lot of time there. You should enjoy this place as much as you can now as this place will change and I believe rapidly. As an example I was in Seoul South Korea three days ago and was rejected by places and a place that was charging approximately $ 200 US for the locals said they would accept me but it would cost $ 250 US. For this type of money I can easily get twenty sessions in El Centro. Things evolve and right now El Centro in Medellin is tough to beat anywhere in the world. I'm in the Philippines right now and Medellin is still cheaper and much more desirable at least for me.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1930045]I was with you all the way until you suggested residents would sell at a loss to someone who turns the property into a bar or hotel. That doesn't add up. It's absolutely true the volume of revelers has seen explosive growth. That is why I have a hard time understanding how a property owner could lose money on a sale.

Agree 100% with your octopus analogy. See Provenza for proof positive. As for hostility toward May-December commercial couples, I think people who can't abide it avoid the area. It's a question of degrees really. There are certain pairings that even a low life like me would give a second look. But those are extreme tits out pros parading with cargo shorts and varicose vein loudmouths. Maybe it says more about me than it does about the punter / paisa pairs.[/QUOTE]You make a great point. The owners are probably not selling at a loss. The developers can offer them more than the homeowners paid for their homes. There may even be bidding wars for prime locations, or adjacent properties that can be the platform for more complex ventures.

As for "sore thumb" pairings, two nights ago, I was in a little Italian restuarant when in walked in a very grizzled 70-something dude, poorly dressed, and seemingly suffering from dementia along with his very "pro" looking 20 something Costenia companion. She had a hard time keeping him at the table...he wandered off and starting annoying a party of five at one of the sidewalk tables. The next day, I saw him at the park, still unkempt, wandering around aimlessly, either drunk or suffering from Alzheimers. One guy at the table next to us said, "That's you in 30 years." His friend said, "If I get that way, please put me out of my misery."

I was reminded of the posters for the movie, "The Wild Bunch:" "They came too late, and they stayed too long. Out of luck, and running out of time."

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1931170]You make a great point. The owners are probably not selling at a loss. The developers can offer them more than the homeowners paid for their homes. There may even be bidding wars for prime locations, or adjacent properties that can be the platform for more complex ventures.

As for "sore thumb" pairings, two nights ago, I was in a little Italian restuarant when in walked in a very grizzled 70-something dude, poorly dressed, and seemingly suffering from dementia along with his very "pro" looking 20 something Costenia companion. She had a hard time keeping him at the table...he wandered off and starting annoying a party of five at one of the sidewalk tables. The next day, I saw him at the park, still unkempt, wandering around aimlessly, either drunk or suffering from Alzheimers. One guy at the table next to us said, "That's you in 30 years." His friend said, "If I get that way, please put me out of my misery."

I was reminded of the posters for the movie, "The Wild Bunch:" "They came too late, and they stayed too long. Out of luck, and running out of time."[/QUOTE]Good reference "The Wild Bunch" which I saw over four decades ago. Will never forget the scene of those ageing gringos with the young Mexican hookers. Never too late for fun.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1931170] As for "sore thumb" pairings, two nights ago, I was in a little Italian restuarant when in walked in a very grizzled 70-something dude, poorly dressed, and seemingly suffering from dementia along with his very "pro" looking 20 something Costenia companion. She had a hard time keeping him at the table...he wandered off and starting annoying a party of five at one of the sidewalk tables. The next day, I saw him at the park, still unkempt, wandering around aimlessly, either drunk or suffering from Alzheimers. One guy at the table next to us said, "That's you in 30 years." His friend said, "If I get that way, please put me out of my misery."[/QUOTE]Well I started in this hobby 20 years ago when I was in my 30's in the DR, CR and Brazil. When I was in my 30's, I looked like I was in my 20's and raised no eyes hanging with my 20 something rent-a-honeys. I felt the same way about 'the old farts' running around with the young talent. Well I'm in my 50's now and probably look it. Perhaps not as 'grizzled' as that guy, I wear pants and try to keep a low profile when I go out with a chica at night, but still I ain't fooling anyone. I suspect in 15 or 20 years I may give that grizzled guy a run for his money, and so my friend most likely will you.

Visited Thai Spa on Saturday. It's a nondescript building, directions on Google maps is correct. They have private security who will wand you upon entering. Tip top place, front desk spoke great English. Chose a lovely 18 yo named Paulina. Great massage, good sense of humor. Everything I wanted. 160. I'll be back soon.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1931348]Well I started in this hobby 20 years ago when I was in my 30's in the DR, CR and Brazil. When I was in my 30's, I looked like I was in my 20's and raised no eyes hanging with my 20 something rent-a-honeys. I felt the same way about 'the old farts' running around with the young talent. Well I'm in my 50's now and probably look it. Perhaps not as 'grizzled' as that guy, I wear pants and try to keep a low profile when I go out with a chica at night, but still I ain't fooling anyone. I suspect in 15 or 20 years I may give that grizzled guy a run for his money, and so my friend most likely will you.[/QUOTE]The older I get and this phrase speaks a lot of truth, which is "Women see a different you than the person that you see in the mirror each day looking back at you". If you don't understand this yet your not into your 40's or 50's or 60's yet, just wait and you will understand.

I ditto Charm City Dave, although I was a decade older than you when I started but now over 20 years later I become to look like the 50 year old that I saw over 20 years ago buying pussy and never for a moment thinking that one day I would become that person.

Very sobering but true yet we all keep chasing that beautiful pussy!

Have fun and stay safe!

TTM.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1932251]The older I get and this phrase speaks a lot of truth, which is "Women see a different you than the person that you see in the mirror each day looking back at you". If you don't understand this yet your not into your 40's or 50's or 60's yet, just wait and you will understand.

I ditto Charm City Dave, although I was a decade older than you when I started but now over 20 years later I become to look like the 50 year old that I saw over 20 years ago buying pussy and never for a moment thinking that one day I would become that person.

Very sobering but true yet we all keep chasing that beautiful pussy!

Have fun and stay safe!

TTM.[/QUOTE]My father is 89 and has a 40 something taking care of him. Of course, she is after his money, but he still squires around with a woman half his age and loves it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1931327]Good reference "The Wild Bunch" which I saw over four decades ago. Will never forget the scene of those ageing gringos with the young Mexican hookers. Never too late for fun.[/QUOTE]So which one are you the most like? Lyle or Tector? Pike or Dutch or Deke? I identify most with Dutch.

I loved the way the brothers, Lyle and Tector, misunderstood their chica telling them Doce (12) por dos to mean dos por dos.

Or did you mean the wine vat hot tub scene earlier in the movie?

I think this movie and from here to eternity both watched in a freshman year film class set my framework for understanding the hobby years later.

[QUOTE=CincyVirgo;1930334] Way way different vibe than excite by the stadium Where you get shown girls in sexy outfits, and you massage is them getting all slippery on your back.[/QUOTE]Excite? Do you mean Energy? Or are you talking about another place?

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;1933159]Excite? Do you mean Energy? Or are you talking about another place?[/QUOTE]Sorry I meant to say Energy. The one by Estadio metro station.

Stopped by Jade Palace on Sunday to give them another chance. They were open! Asked for hour, this time the three girls were all in one room. My options were better than last time. Still not nearly as good as Thai Spa or Energy. But I got a good massage, and the girl was performed well, and looked decent enough. 150 k.

One more visit to Thai Spa. I love how easy it is to Uber there. The front desk guy is friendly and speaks good English. They even have WiFi! Anyway, I'm a beginner for Medellin. So currently this is my favorite place until I get more experience. I love the look of the girls here, skinny and fit. Long hair, I picked one with dyed blonde hair, and a few tattoos. Got to the room, shower, and she started with the massage. After a few minutes I just couldn't wait and took her. It was great. Pillow talked the rest of the hour.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1932782]So which one are you the most like? Lyle or Tector? Pike or Dutch or Deke? I identify most with Dutch.

I loved the way the brothers, Lyle and Tector, misunderstood their chica telling them Doce (12) por dos to mean dos por dos.

Or did you mean the wine vat hot tub scene earlier in the movie?

I think this movie and from here to eternity both watched in a freshman year film class set my framework for understanding the hobby years later.[/QUOTE]I will have to watch the movie again to say which one I identify with. I saw this movie with my buddies when I was in High School. I remember only one scene with the old gringos and the Mexican "chiquitas", I remember bathing so it must be the hot tub scene to which you refer. There was some female nudity which excited me very much as a teenager. Who knows what sublimal messages stick in the mind. Tijuana was my first foray internationally in pursuing our hobby, way back in the early 70's. I must watch this movie again.