Safe Sex

Opebo,

I think your right on the money with your BJ hunch. In a forum such as this, it's far too easy to overlook the "gay male" factor.

As for CCBJ's I only get them as a novelty just to help warm up before tapping some ass. Mainly because her mouth is there and I can. I would never pay for one by itself however.

J Burb

Can you eliminate or greatly reduce your chances of getting hepres from a BBBJ by extensively washing the area with soap and water immediately after the act? I've read something about this in the past. Is this just a theory or is it a scientific fact? It "sounds" reasonable.

Paddy

Paddy, given that washing hands, towels, etc. after touching a herpes sore one of the ways herpes sufferers are urged to protect their family from non-sexual transmission, that might sound reasonable, but from everything I've read washing and/or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] may reduce but will not eliminate the risk of infection. It can help remove some of the germs that cause some STDs, but it's rather like the rhythm method of contraception -- it works when it works, and it doesn't when it doesn't. Probably still worth doing both, but far from clear protection.

During 20 years in the game, I've had STDs three times in spite of using condoms (and using them correctly, I would claim, but I cannot prove that here). Fortunately all 3 instances were easily curable bacteria. I guess the mechanism is that fluids may seep around the condom, or else "splash around" when the condom was removed. In more recent years I've been disease-free after instituting what I call my "super safe sex" approach. And for those of you who crave BBBJ (or bareback anything), please keep in mind I don't judge you, I only offer the following suggestions for people who, like me, want to minimize their risks.

A first simple rule is to not go with anyone unless she's worth it. My own cutoff is an "8" (on my subjective scale). Whatever the cutoff is, stick with it. Basically the rewards must compensate the risk. Secondly, while condom usage is obviously essential, also important is the pattern of behavior of your sex partner. Does she regularly use condoms ? Does she get checkups ? It is impossible to know for sure, but one can often guess with high confidence. For example, a clean-looking brothel worker in Nevada most likely uses condoms for everything and she knows HOW to use them (water based lubricant, etc.). She most likely gets regular medical checkups. In contrast, the crack-addicted girl in the 'hood who offers BBBJ for $20 does not look good to me. And there's a whole spectrum in between.

Whatever your cutoff is, suppose you've picked up your dream girl, now what ? As a test I usually ask (very politely) for a BBBJ. What I'm looking for is that they say "no, I refuse to do anything without a condom" and they show they have a condom ready. This is a good sign and I may let them do that. However, if they agree readily to BBBJ, my next step is to cut my losses (again very politely to avoid problems). Depending on my mood, this either means giving them the money and asking them to leave, or donning a condom and asking for a hand job at the previously agreed price (the reason being that the girls may use saliva for lubrication without asking). In all cases, the girls are happy to get money for little or no work. Again, I can see some hardcore guys laughing at this, but this is just my personal choice.

Because of my policy, in most cities in the USA. I make do without most of the time in recent years. There are still a few liberal areas in the USA but they are not in my main orbit. The strong LE where I live has produced a 2-tier system which I think is typical. The girls are either high-class escorts costing $300+ or they are very cheap street girls. I don't begrudge anyone the price they can demand, but I cannot afford either.

Paddy, I have to agree with JZ here, although it certainly can't hurt, it very possibly won't help either. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] will help with diseases like syphilis, Gonnorhea, Clamydia, but doesn't help much with herpes. Washing the area might help if it's done immediately after contact but if you're having sex this isn't possible. I mean if your getting a BJ or sex and it lasts fifteen minutes that is plenty of time to get infected. On the other hand if you touched a herpes sore on your thigh and touched your face and immediately wiped it with an alcohol pad it would probably work.

GT, I think its only possible to get HIV from a bbbj if the man has a break in the skin lining of his penis. For example if he has herpes and it's not 100% healed and the SW has bleeding gums then sure transmission would be possible. Even the CDC admits this. Otherwise its almost impossible. HIV is a very fragile virus and cannot survive the journey up the urethra to enter the bloodstream and infect a person. However with millions of men suffering from herpes (and sometimes outbreaks are so minor its barely noticable) it's possible that HIV can be spread this way.

Also, I work in the health care field. I think herpes is not as bad as some people think. Although some people get frequent and severe outbreaks, most people get a few small blisters a couple of times a year which last for a few days. Usually acyclovir taken twice a day prevents outbreaks and you may never have another outbreak again. Valtrex is taken once a day and the same thing. It is being studied as possibly preventing transmission of the virus by shedding which sometimes occurs with herpes. If the clinical trials prove correct not only will you be able to prevent outbreaks but also prevent transmission. Acyclovir is cheap, has almost no side effects and it works.

Civ2K

Let me come back to the "Molluscum contagiosum" mentioned by Erik.

I got this sh*t as well in October in Bangkok. even if it's quite harmless, that was the first STD I got in my life and it gives you a bad feeling. I have the operation in 2 weeks. I could not fuck for 3 months.

Any idea how to avoid contacting that ? I can remember that one of the girl from Sukhumvit always turned off the lights when getting out of the shower. I thought that was because she was shy but I realise I may have been too naive. Next time I will always do an inspection before getting to business.

The rule mentioned below by Snake27 "not go with anyone unless she's worth it" makes sense as well. It does not help fucking as many girls as possible. I will definitely change my behaviour after this first STD experience.

Latrell

Latrell2, the problem is that Molluscum contagiosum is generally spread from close physical contact, but can also come from shared towels, swimming pools, etc. and it's a localized infection (you can get it anywhere on your body except supposedly on the palms of your hands and soles of your feet) so it's not something that you can necessarily prevent with a condom, though that is definitely supposed to help. This means that the only way you're going to be able to really prevent transmission is though a close physical inspection. It's also something that's more prevalent in tropical areas, though it occurs worldwide, so SE Asia is a prime spot.

To me, the main worry would not be that it's rising in occurrence (which is true -- estimates say that between 2% and 8% worldwide over everyone worldwide will get it, including around 5% of US children) but that between 5% and 20% of HIV+ patients have symptomatic molluscum contagiosum. Given that these can be open sores, that would seem to indicate to me a higher than normal possibility for HIV transmission.

BTW, it's also worth noting that there's another infection that appears similar to this one -- penicillium marneffei, a fungal infection which is supposedly the third most common among HIV patients in SE Asia. Penicillium marneffei can be transmitted via respiration and is endemic in Thailand.

Now, that doesn't mean your Sukhumvit honey was hiding anything from you -- as I'm sure you know Thai women are often quite shy, not to mention naive about such diseases. No question at all that Snake27's approach is one that increases safety, but I don't know how many of us are willing to go to that extreme. Personally, I figure I'm accepting some degree of risk by having multiple partners and that condoms and visual inspection can help minimize, but not eliminate that risk.

This is a close up photo I took of the vaginal area of a SW in Guangzhou, China. No I didn't do her after seeing this, bag or no bag. See my report in that section if you want the details.

PLEASE BE FOREWARNED, this is a shocking photo: sores containing puss, vaginal exudate, etc. I didn't want to post it, but several people asked for it after my report. I hope its taken as a public service announcement. Its out there waiting for us every day, good brothers.

Be careful out there.

Cronin

Cronin

I am not a doctor but it look like she has a case of herpes..full blowned. Just my USD$0.03. Thanks for having the courage to share and inform us mongers...

Definately a severe case of genital herpes. You can see the sores that have healed as well. Acyclovir capsules taken three or four times a day for a week as well as Zovirax ointment applied directly to the affected site should clear it right up and she'll be as good as new. In addition if she continues taking two acylovir tablets a day, chances are she can prevent from coming back.

Cronin,

Thanks. We've all seen such pictures on various websites, but for me at least, it hit home a lot more, seeing it here (and seeing it posted by you, since we mongered together once). Because of your picture, I will be damn certain to do a full inspection, in full lighting next time.

I'm not a Dr. but I think your buddy Johnny "the King" of GZ may know one in your area.

Thanks for the community service. We all should do this if we ever come across a sour pussy.

Lucky,

I remember that day, it was great, looking foward to seeing you again sometime buddy.

I always TRY to do an inspection, but truthfully it is usually just because I want to see the beautiful liitle pussy, not really for health reasons. Oh sure, I always SAY its a health inspection, but I'm just in love with the female anatomy, as are we all.

However, from now on it WILL be a health inspection, damn straight on that. The problem is that some ST rooms don't really have lights, maybe a little night lite thing. So you can't see too much. I'm thinking about carrying a little pen light with me now, if I can find one in China.

That's one more thing to remember before I leave the house...pen light, extra condoms, vitamin V, lubricant, not too much cash, map, wash moby...what did I forget? Oh yeah, that damn camera!

I'm going to the local pharmacy to buy some Acyclovir for my little friend. I'm almost certain I saw it there before. I just called her to tell her she had herpes, and amazingly she understood. (The word is paozhen). I'll have to make her understand the dosage schedule, that will be a hell of a lot more difficult.

Cronin

I forgot: Thank You Civ2000! You really helped!

Cronin: You have provided probably the best public service here so far of all posters. Interesting and sad how she (has to) deny it

Oh God(pardon me Rev Skinless), but that's one of the sickest images I've seen on this website. I'll be sure to wash my doodle very carefully from now on.

In all honestly Cronin, I think it’s best she goes to a STD clinic or gynaecologist. Also because a member on this thread posted about Molluscum contagiosum. I visited the respective website and some of those yellowish/white heads could be that. She needs proper diagnosis and immediate treatment.

Your posting of the photo was in good judgement.