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[QUOTE=JJanni;2684650]The way I square it in my mind is that I am a nice guy, despite being a degenerate. I'm kind to the girls, pay what's agreed, even more, never make them feel threatened and unsafe, try my best to have them enjoy being with me.
You not seeing a girl is not going to get her out of the game. And she's going to see people who aren't as nice as you.[/QUOTE]Good points. She's already been with shitty guys from dating apps and seeking but still is on there.
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2684621] First warning sign was her preferred drink was shots but I'the picked a brewery. While we're having a beer she mentions she's got siblings by different fathers. In between sex back in the room she mentions she used to bb a lot and needed an abortion. Also pretty much says she got raped by a guy on a dating app. As a result she doesn't like some BDSM anymore. Got into seeking because a friend does it but she admits friend has mental issues. First guy she met on seeking stiffed her ppm after she drunkenly agreed to meet him.
I'm probably forgetting other details but you get the gist. The sex was good even though I didn't finish, probably bc of the cover but I just feel bad for this girl. I've never been captain save a hoe but damn I just want to help her. [/QUOTE]Sounds like you want to help her and be Captain Save-a-Hoe. You listened to her life story, felt sorry for her and did not nut. You just want to help her. And get verification from us other dudes because you posted about it. It has to be about Captain Happy Dick. Otherwise you lose.
[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2684768]Sounds like you want to help her and be Captain Save-a-Hoe. You listened to her life story, felt sorry for her and did not nut. You just want to help her. And get verification from us other dudes because you posted about it. It has to be about Captain Happy Dick. Otherwise you lose.[/QUOTE]If you want to "date", then date. But, if you want to "seek" dealing with semi-pros or "monger" dealing with pros, then play those games the way they are [B]supposed[/B] to be played. That's the long and short of it. Otherwise, you're the one who's just getting played by these women!
So I have def found true GFE with my home girl Shayla. We had a nice little block of time but she wasn't feeling well. She still wanted to see me tho and suggested we just spend time relaxing. We ordered some door dash from the room. Napped and snuggled for a few hours. Had passionate animal sex and snuggled some more. Just falling asleep with her in the crook of my arm all nuzzled up in my armpit is like the best GFE ever. It's just so intimate and real. Sigh. I love the whole experience so much more than just the sex. I guess that's why we are here on SA fellas!
Counterpoint is that I love the first date and seduction. So soon I will see one of my all time faves Alexa. But the more I think about it I don't want to spend 5 nights with her. I want the chase. So I will spend 3 nights and then find someone (or more) for the other two nights. I want that first night date experience but I also want the GFE of a solid existing girlfriend. Going to split it into the Best of both worlds.
[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2684293]ted. Now I think I overshot and went too high. But I can't really come back and negotiate down. [/QUOTE]Why do you say you can't go back and negotiate? Have you ever had a SB tell you she will be cutting out early? Turning up late? Cutting you short on time unannounced? Of course you can negotiate if price is your concern.
You could start negotiating with one girl at a time, so you can develop your strategy IE without burning off all your plans.
You can also stay on the money but maybe get some other benefit from her. Maybe she meets you at airport (saving you transport costs) and your sugar date starts immediately. Maybe she stays two nights instead of one for the same or 25% more. I am a fan of the airport greeting / sendoff.
Maybe she can also bring her car for you to get around.
What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.
[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]I would say it ranges from 3000 to 4000 MXN. I mean I stayed with a woman in CDMX for 10 days for 30,000 MXN at the beginning she was quoting 3,500 MXN for just one day.
[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]I have never paid to meet a girl in Mexico. $200-300 is the rate in Mexico City, but it for multiple hours.
[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]TBH I offered 5000 and 6000 when I was there because my time was limited and I wanted the girls committed AF. It was clear 6000 was considered very generous. That's when chats on the platform went from how ya doing to can we meet now? 6000 would be considered very high but if your time is limited.
[QUOTE=SunDevil;2685282]What is the typical ppm in Mexico City? Girls are quoting me 6000 pesos and above, plus they want to be paid for a meet and greet saying they don't want to waste time, so they need to be compensated. Should I block these chicks or is that what is considered normal here.[/QUOTE]They better be a 9 or 10 for that much. Street girls go for like $20 and there are some decent looking ones. Higher than that you should be using twitter and [URL]laboutique.vip[/URL] and look at blog de busti and get twitter names there. Put in #cdmx #scort in twitter and you should have some names pop up. Then follow the suggested women to follow once you get on Twitter.
With seeking, try to do the meet without discussing cash. There are so many women in Mexico City, just carpet bomb (copy and paste) all the hot ones or ones you like and see what they say. I would send out hundreds of messages. You should get dozens of responses, and I would steer to the ones who do not ask for cash. Offer to get them an uber if need be.
I am not throwing out $300 until I meet the woman. That is like 3 X the price of a Twitter girl and like 15 X the price of a street walker. I have paid seeking women $400 and $500 but it was for several hours, and the women were 9's and 10's. For $300, the woman should stop traffic.
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2684621]I've never been captain save a hoe but damn I just want to help her. I can understand why some guys are like that now and want to provide. I feel guilty, like I'm just using her too, which I am. I didn't stiff her ppm and the exchange was clear but I feel like I'm exacerbating the issues.[/QUOTE]I still do not think that guys really get what sugar babies are. They are an investment in a friendship, and you should care where the money you are giving her is going. That is the daddy part of the sugar daddy relationship, and I take it seriously.
But I am not going to invest in a girl who is going to put every dollar up her nose. If she is a WG, then fine. It is not my biz what she does was the money.
As far as helping her, she is probably hot right? Most of the hot women on SA / seeking in the states have mental issues or substance abuse problems, and the way you described this one, she sounds like her head is not on right. Keep her as a PPM ho and do not get into her personal life or let her go. You cannot do anything about her issues. Hell, medical professionals barely can.
[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2684293]OK this is validating.
I'll admit I offered a few more girls 400 euros for the night since. This experience got me to bump up my offer. They all accepted. Now I think I overshot and went too high. But I can't really come back and negotiate down. Oh well. You can't get buried with it.[/QUOTE]Sure you can. You tell them money is tight and you can only do 300 Euros. I bet you half will accept. I did it all the time. A lot of the first time price is just women anxious to see you. Once they know you are okay, that anxiety goes away.
Going on my first proper sugar date tonight. I've met more than my fair share of girls from seeking. But they've strictly been meet at my hotel / her place, explicit understanding that knickers were coming off and I was cumming inside them.
This one is different. A 19 year old student. Tallish and gamine, pixie cut, facial piercings. Very much my cup of tea. We've had long chats about kinks etc, but no explicit we are going to do all this. She's kinkier than me. Into bondage, very rough sex, watersports (Inc. Pee in her mouth.) She likes to use recreational drugs to enhance her pleasure. Anyone ever heard of viagra making girls hornier and more sensitive?
We've had a couple of videochats and she's adorably shy and a little awkward, despite the kink. She says herself it takes a while for her to warm up and get comfortable.
Anyway, I'm meeting her at my hotel bar tonight. A few drinks, get to know eachother and then up to the room for at her a kink filled marathon session, with her probably staying the night.
Butterflies.
I had similar SBs but not all below rolled into one.
A 25 why. O cute shy girl into kink. Never got to experience due to distance but keeping in touch with her to make it work.
Not into peeing and stuff but she is kinky.
I have another SB who wants me to CIP but I always pull out. Always.
As far drugs. Me, personally, if any girl is into drugs. Even recreational. I stay away. One. I would hate to host someone who is in possession of drugs. Two. Drugs tend to cloud one's judgement. Who knows what she does under influence. She might have (or be) engaging in sex with dudes who carry diseses. I don't want to dip my dick into a pussy that has germs.
To each his own. Please stay careful.
[QUOTE=JJanni;2685382]Going on my first proper sugar date tonight. I've met more than my fair share of girls from seeking. But they've strictly been meet at my hotel / her place, explicit understanding that knickers were coming off and I was cumming inside them.
This one is different. A 19 year old student. Tallish and gamine, pixie cut, facial piercings. Very much my cup of tea. We've had long chats about kinks etc, but no explicit we are going to do all this. She's kinkier than me. Into bondage, very rough sex, watersports (Inc. Pee in her mouth.) She likes to use recreational drugs to enhance her pleasure. Anyone ever heard of viagra making girls hornier and more sensitive?
We've had a couple of videochats and she's adorably shy and a little awkward, despite the kink. She says herself it takes a while for her to warm up and get comfortable.
Anyway, I'm meeting her at my hotel bar tonight. A few drinks, get to know eachother and then up to the room for at her a kink filled marathon session, with her probably staying the night.
Butterflies.[/QUOTE]
Very good points from AsianPursuits here.
You might add "can she bring a friend along?
One of my SBs started as 200 ppm. She likes me so much that she refuses to take money these days. So, I started getting her stuff that she needs. (Example: she broke her phone. I got it fixed and got a spare phone for 250).
Now, she is telling me her friend is interested in joining us for FMF. I am excited.
[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2685252]Why do you say you can't go back and negotiate? Have you ever had a SB tell you she will be cutting out early? Turning up late? Cutting you short on time unannounced? Of course you can negotiate if price is your concern.
You could start negotiating with one girl at a time, so you can develop your strategy IE without burning off all your plans.
You can also stay on the money but maybe get some other benefit from her. Maybe she meets you at airport (saving you transport costs) and your sugar date starts immediately. Maybe she stays two nights instead of one for the same or 25% more. I am a fan of the airport greeting / sendoff.
Maybe she can also bring her car for you to get around.[/QUOTE]