Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Turgid;2505015].... I got in touch with this 30 something good looking babe who I had not completely lost contact with. She had been showing me interest for years but I made no move not wanting to interfere with my mongering trips. We went out for lunch a couple times. Then she came over to my place, we watched a movie but she brushed off my advances. A second visit ended with the same result, no action for rufus. I then said fuck that, I'm too old for that shit. I blocked her from whatsapp and went back to my hookers.[/QUOTE]I think the problem in this kind of a situation is a lack of trust.

The lady thinks that you are trying to take advantage of her by having sex first and then talking and getting to know each other better later. And the guy feels that the lady is being unreasonable by wanting love and commitment from him, before she has any sex with him. The guy wants sex first and talking later. And the lady wants it the other way around. And they can't agree, because they don't trust each other to deliver on what the other wants. No trust means no trade and exchange. People avoid dealing with each other, when they don't trust each other.

And in this situation both the guy and the lady are right.

Because people are quite often incompatible with each other, and they only find this out when they get to know each other better. When the guy has sex for the first time with the lady, then he might find that she isn't that good at it, and maybe she doesn't want to do a lot of the stuff that he wants to do. So, he might leave her after the first or second time. And her fears a realized. She thinks that he took advantage of her.

And people are also often incompatible with each other in terms of their personalities, likes, dislikes and their goals in life. So, the lady might talk with him a lot, and he might fall for her with his feelings. But then she decides that he is incompatible with her, and she leaves him without ever having sex with him. So, his fears are realized too. She got commitment from him, but she never had sex with she him, and left him.

I think this happens, because ladies are looking only for long-term relationships. They aren't interested in short-term relationships. When you are looking for a life-changing relationship, then it makes sense to look long and hard and be very reluctant to make a choice. It's a very difficult and risky decision to make.

But in Thailand, many women are willing to have short-term relationships in exchange for money. And they don't necessarily see it in the same light as people in the West do. Because in Thailand, the guy is supposed to pay a large dowry to the lady in marriage. Which involves a long-term relationship and usually having children. So, a short-term relationship that doesn't involve commitment or having children is of the same kind. It's a just a smaller amount of the same kind of a relationship. And that's why a guy paying a much smaller 'dowry' preserves the woman's honor and makes it fair from her point of view.

What westerners see as hooking in Thailand is a kind of short-term common-law marriage from the lady's point of view. That's why many women there do it, and it's not considered necessarily bad. Both the guys and the ladies see it as fair and square. And Thailand used to have polygamy. So, they don't necessarily see 'cheating' in the same light as westerners do. When a married man comes to another lady, then she necessarily feel guilty about it, the way western women might feel.

Quick question,

Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?

As someone who spent time in Bangkok, is there anything like The Pimp or La Belle? A high (er) end Soap Massage.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505948]Quick question,

Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?

As someone who spent time in Bangkok, is there anything like The Pimp or La Belle? A high (er) end Soap Massage.[/QUOTE]Some like it some don't it is okay But for me, I got to see some skin and they don't provide any or enough. Drink night is good on Sunday it is close right now pre-covid I put it at maybe top 5 for looks only. Number one before see-19 was pin-up, palace I would say now still rank in that order.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505948]Is Sapphire Pattaya as good as it gets for Pattaya? Or is just the one that's advertised the most online? Do the girls the website actually look as good as they seem in real life?[/QUOTE]If the girls in their photos are the style you like then yes Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. Yes all those girls are at the club. I think the girls look better than in photos for almost all the Pattaya gogo bars. Several of the Thai Bikini Mafia don't work often. Low turnover for girls. Sapphire is a fairly rowdy Farang club. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.

I spent most of my first trip at Sapphire since that was where guys like Breadman and Finnish Fucker told me to go. Met a few girls and was kind of stuck. I was naive back then so fell in to the tourist trap. Took me nearly 2 weeks just to get to Sensations and kicked myself since Sensations used to have 150 girls back in its hey day.

Sapphire took over Lady Love in LK Metro. Not sure if they bought it. But some of the girls and Managers, (4, all busy on their phones,) are there. 180 baht for a beer, iirc. They must think they're still on WS! They totally remodeled lady love, (not finished when I went): the tub is gone as are the nude older ladies. A friend and I went and were ignored by the dancers. There were more staff than customers. And yes, lots of ink. Lady Love is about half the size of Sapphire. I barely finished my drink and don't think I'll return.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505948]Quick question, Is there anything like The Pimp .[/QUOTE]Quick answer: Absolutely not.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2506189]If the girls in their photos are the style you like then yes Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. Yes all those girls are at the club. I think the girls look better than in photos for almost all the Pattaya gogo bars. Several of the Thai Bikini Mafia don't work often. Low turnover for girls. Sapphire is a fairly rowdy Farang club. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.

I spent most of my first trip at Sapphire since that was where guys like Breadman and Finnish Fucker told me to go. Met a few girls and was kind of stuck. I was naive back then so fell in to the tourist trap. Took me nearly 2 weeks just to get to Sensations and kicked myself since Sensations used to have 150 girls back in its hey day.[/QUOTE]With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2506399]With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.[/QUOTE]No one bar hops more than I do. Ask anyone who's been out with me. I can easily hit 10 gogo bars in a night. However, as a newbie tourist I did what so many have done after me. Hit the most commonly discussed gogo bars which at the time were Sapphire, Windmill, What's Up, and Ninja in LK Metro. Back then Palace used to have 20 girls max.

Same for me in FKK clubs in Germany. My record is 6 clubs in a day. 90% of the guys won't go to more than 2 clubs and 95% will sit in the same club for the entire day. At up tp 80 euro per each club entry fee it is understandable but for me if some place isn't good I'm not sticking around to find out if it gets better. I only had 6 weeks vacation per year back then time was more valuable than paying extra club entry fees.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2506399]With Walking Street lined with GoGo after GoGo and Disco after Disco I never understood how guys get caught in visiting the same establishment night after night. I mean after all its no cover charge to walk into these spots. But being afraid to venture out explains why most guys on here over pay for girls.[/QUOTE]I think I have been to most of the Go Go's in BKK and a good number in Pattaya (I won't say most) and what I come away with is not all Go Go's are equal. I like to mix it up as much as the next guy, and I will go anywhere to find what I am looking for, but I always end up where the quality is and that means no matter how many places I check out I end up spending most of my time and money in maybe 7 or 8 Go Go's in BKK and 5 or 6 in Pat.

Still, I am always looking to find new Go Go's to my liking, and I like to check out any new possibilities. That is how I rediscovered Patpong a few years back after an absence of over 10 years. And BB, turned me on to a great little Go Go in Pattaya on my last visit. I literally cannot wait to go back to that treasure trove. But on the whole, I know which Go Go's do not have what I like so I tend to skip those and only check them out maybe once every few years for a quick reconnoiter like I did late one night in Dollhouse Cowboy.

I had not been to Dollhouse in 4 or 5 years due to lack of quality, but I stopped in late one night because I was wondering by and had nothing better to do. Once inside, Walla: there was this dirty / sexy little blond dirty provocatively dancing on the ground floor stage that caught my eye. I stayed for a drink, invited her over, and the rest was history. The moral of the story is you never know, but my dirty little blond was the only doable girl in the bar, so my expectations about that bar did not change much even after my enjoyable late night tryst.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2506189]Sapphire is the best in Pattaya for those types of girls. In general, heavily tattooed, tallish, skinny, a bit older. You will not find Japanese and Korean guys there who prefer petite, young, cute girls in a more laid back atmosphere.[/QUOTE]My experience (all pre-COVID) is that you'll find more "Sapphire type" girls in Pattaya and more "petite, young, cute" girls in Bangkok.

For me, this gives rise to a conflict between the two destinations. I love the Pattaya holiday vibe. I really do. I find it easy to relax there when I'm not on the prowl. But once I arrive in any of the Naughty Boy areas I'm dismayed by the prevalent "Pattaya Look." I realize lots of you gents prefer that over-the-top style. But all that ink, all that silicone, all that makeup just doesn't do it for me. (I might also add all that extra weight, at least in the past decade or so.).

In Bangkok my first order of business is always a go go crawl at Nana -- where there is an abundance of fresh, young, cute spinners on offer. Moreover, the "load factor" is much reduced and the amount of ink is an order of magnitude less.

I find myself wondering why I even bother with Pattaya. As the years have passed, I find myself spending more days in Bangkok and fewer in Pattaya. Anything to escape the collateral damage from the carbohydrate bomb that seems to have exploded near the beach, causing a billion gallons of tattoo ink to rain down upon the girls.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2506514]I had not been to Dollhouse in 4 or 5 years due to lack of quality, but I stopped in late one night because I was wondering by and had nothing better to do. Once inside, Walla: there was this dirty / sexy little blond dirty provocatively dancing on the ground floor stage that caught my eye. I stayed for a drink, invited her over, and the rest was history. The moral of the story is you never know, but my dirty little blond was the only doable girl in the bar, so my expectations about that bar did not change much even after my enjoyable late night tryst.[/QUOTE]Why I made an effort to hit every gogo bar in LK Metro and on Walking Street at least once per month. Lineups change all the time in these bars and you never know who you may find. One of the best gems I found was a half German, half Thai girl in Misty's. Model face, curvy body, perfect English. Bet most guys here haven't even been to Misty's even though it's right beside Sapphire.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2506623]My experience (all pre-COVID) is that you'll find more "Sapphire type" girls in Pattaya and more "petite, young, cute" girls in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

More petite and younger than Pattaya gogo bars like Nui 2, Ginza, Lisa Sexy Coyote? I'm not familiar with your Pattaya gogo bar history but which bars do you usually attend in Pattaya? If it's tourist bars like Skyfall, Iron, What's Up, Taboo, Crazy House, etc then yes I would agree with you. Would be helpful for me to know which are the best Bangkok bars to find young and cute as well cause I tend to stick with Rainbow, Baccara, King's Castle 2, Bada Bing, and Black Pagoda as my go to clubs outside of Thermae.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2506660]Why I made an effort to hit every gogo bar in LK Metro and on Walking Street at least once per month. Lineups change all the time in these bars and you never know who you may find. One of the best gems I found was a half German, half Thai girl in Misty's. Model face, curvy body, perfect English. Bet most guys here haven't even been to Misty's even though it's right beside Sapphire.
[/QUOTE]I have been to Misty's. On the night I dropped by they had one or two girls that looked like they had potential. I had other plans that night, so I did not stay to find out.

Line ups do indeed change. For example, What the hell happened to What's Up? Their lineup was dreadful the last time I went there. And don't get me started on Crazy House BKK. That is another bar that fell from grace. It used to be my favorite Go Go in Bangkok. It is sad to think about what it became, but that's the usual story. I know of very few examples of bars the have risen and gotten better, but it can happen. Maybe CH will miraculously shine again post pandemic. Who knows.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2506736]I don't think I can do that. Its just not me. I don't even do it to hookers who come to my place.[/QUOTE]Interesting. It's exactly what I do do with hookers the minute I close the short time room door. If they are responsive it normally means we're going to hit it off pretty well. If they are hesitant, pull away, or go into shower shower mode, then they're normally not for me.

Even the most experienced working girl will admit to a degree of concern when she rings the bell so I don't see how grabbing her ass and sticking a tongue in her mouth as soon as the door opens somehow puts her at ease or as suggested accurately predicts the level of service that follows. I guess it all depends on whether it's done Neanderthal style or with an element of restraint. Either way I don't get it but then again I haven't tried preferring a more relaxed greeting with a smile followed by a drink which usually works just fine.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2506729]Line ups do indeed change. For example, What the hell happened to What's Up? Their lineup was dreadful the last time I went there. .[/QUOTE]What's Up's line up went down drastically starting around 2017. Remember how good it was in 2015 and early 2016? Just stunners everywhere but IIRC the highest price tag in Pattaya at the time for drinks, barfine, and girls. I had a regular at What's Up and made 100+ visits in 2018. I can count on 1 hand the number of pretty girls I saw in the club.