Kyiv

James T KirkI found a nice girl for 700 USD/week in Kiev.

How can I pay her? All in once at the first day or half on Monday and half on Thursday or day by day? She could answer "all now or nothing" or "day by day is 300 USD per day (means 2100 USD/week)"

I have been with gilrs who acts like they would married me and them who will do all kinds of tricks. In generaly, if you not greedy and know how to treat a girl (gifts, resturants) she will keep her part of the deal.

I want she will have a full visit about her health and she replied it costs about 240 USD. Is that a good idea or just a waste of money? The Ukraine is corrupted.

She said we can be friends and customer/prostitute: can I believe her? I think this is the prostitute's trick: "you are my friend so you can't cum in my throat and put two hands in my ass hole";.)

This is my friend Natasha, who begs to be anally abused and wants to be gang banged.

Dear cruiser, we all agree with you. So do we need to speak russian fluently and to go to live there, don't we? ;.) I think so and I am thinking how I can do so. This is just a thought to talk about. I am not looking to argue with you. Ok? !

I would like to look for a job in kiev but I think there is no good wages like in italy because I am not a cook or an engineer or a State employee so there is no opportunity for foreign normal employees in ukraine. The cultural difference is too big and I am not so young to learn another lifestyle. I think to marry an Ukrainian girl or a Russian girl is a good solution. Good solution because it is cheaper and more satisfacting than "fuck and go" meetings. Then she surely will leave me for another man and so I will marry another young girl and so on. I think this is the modern family style, unfortunately. I knew some ukrainian girls and they all are very moody. Maybe it is their young age. Maybe it is their cultural background. I am a man on thirties but I look like a twenties, I am italian but I look like a polish, I am not ugly and I have a nice body, I am a gentleman and I am often silly (do you know, don't you;.)) and I would like to have a lasting relationship with these girls but I knew all ukrainian girls looking for the magic moment and when the magic moment finishes then they say "bye bye baby". .

Now I am looking, through the window, the morning light fog of the the north italy and I am thinking about my adventures with ukrainian girls here in italy and there in kiev. I am lucky because I live in one of the best country in the world but how boring is the life here! The ancient dilemmma is: rich/zombie or poor/alive?

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]If you leave Kiev Center you will find #3 to be less true. You have to remember Kiev Center is kind of a fantasy land it gives no true indication what the rest of the Ukraine is like. - heck, all you have to do is go to the other side of the river. The epicenter for spoiled Kiev girls is Mandarin Plaza..the further you get away from it the more normal the girls become. For every Kiev princess who speaks English well I see, I also see 50 other 'normal' Kiev girls who are just as attractive as her but that segment is (luckily) untapped by 98% of the people who read this forum or foreigners in general.[/QUOTE]

What about the availability of older women (40-45 years old) in Kiev and the possibility of anal/greek with them?

"If you leave Kiev Center you will find #3 to be less true. You have to remember Kiev Center is kind of a fantasy land it gives no true indication what the rest of the Ukraine is like"

I agree - that's inline with my point - you have to do some searching - leaving the center falls into more serious searching (bear in mind, for someone in town for a short period of time, going outside the center seems excessive, dangerous, tricky, etc etc).

For the more adventurous types, or those here for longer periods of time, going outside the center, and finding more normal girls, is second nature.

I go to places like RP, and Arena, at times, because I like their level of service - but I agree, the center is a lousy place to find girls - unless you want to practice your English :)

Alconizer,

Moodiness is a very common trait amongst Eastern Europeans - and Ukrainians very much fit the mold. Its a generalization, so it isn't true of everyone, but much more common than found in other parts of the world. It is one thing I definitely do not like about the girls here.

That said, like I said, not all girls are moody. In addition, the moodiness is usually just skin deep - in EE, it is, for whatever reason, more culturally acceptable to be snappy and rude with strangers. But once you get beyond the superficial level of dealing with day to day events, I think you'll find the people are no more apt to be moody than anyone else.

Kind of like the polar opposite with the British - on a superficial level, they are about the most polite people on the planet. But once you get to know their deeper self, they are no more apt to be nice than anyone else.

[QUOTE=Yossi]What about the availability of older women (40-45 years old) in Kiev and the possibility of anal/greek with them?[/QUOTE]

Why bother coming to Ukraine for 40 to 45 year old women? They are generally available just about anywhere....

[QUOTE=Street Sleuth]Why bother coming to Ukraine for 40 to 45 year old women? They are generally available just about anywhere....[/QUOTE]

I was born in Kiev and lived there until I was 10 years old, then my family moved here to New York. I talk, read and write in Russian and can understand around 80% of Ukrainian language. I pretty much remember a lot of streets in Pechersk, Kreschyatik, Podol and Leviiy Bereg. Also Hydro Park.

I plan to visit Kiev when I will have vacation time for 2 weeks. Right now I gather all information that I may find useful.

I am interested in 18+ teens and older (40-45 year old) women. Basicaly I understand that best places for teens are clubs like Arena and that place River Palace, but what about older women? I have trouble finding this information.

Anal/greek is a must.

Yossi - I hear ya, makes sense now.

After reflecting on it a little, I think it would actually be quite difficult to find a venue with receptive older women. In bars, clubs, etc - you're hard pressed to find girls in their late 20's, let alone 40+.....given the general economic history, which I'm sure you are perfectly aware of, older women are either dirt poor, or ridiculously rich.

The dirt poor women may be receptive, but you just won't find them out. The ridiculously rich women can be found at high end cafes, but won't be receptive - except in special circumstances - but that kind of thing either falls in your lap, or it doesn't - not worth trying to search for.

I do have to say, some of my very, very best lays have been with 40-45 year old women.

Sorry I don't have concrete advice...

Tried Shooters.

I kind of liked the place. Dance floor is tiny, but the bar is much like the American style, where you can shift around and talk to people, and the music isn't so loud you can't hear - my favorite type of venue for meeting girls.

The girls I chatted with were all friendly and receptive - though they didn't assist in conversation development, and my Russian is still very rusty, so I didn't get far (I generally refuse to converse in English - which definitely has cost me many a hook-up, but I'm not budging, just the same....).

I was only rejected once....by a guy. I desperately wanted a wingman, so tried to talk to one guy. He wasn't having it all. Has any non-Russian here ever befriended a local guy? What's up with that? EE is a strange place - you can get laid, no problem - but you can't make friends with guys.

Anyway, not to sound like a jerk, but just to try and present things honestly, I think if you were 50+, or can't speak a word of Russian, you'd have a tough time at Shooters. I'm not certain of that - just got that impression.

[QUOTE=Street Sleuth]Yossi - I hear ya, makes sense now.

After reflecting on it a little, I think it would actually be quite difficult to find a venue with receptive older women. In bars, clubs, etc - you're hard pressed to find girls in their late 20's, let alone 40+.....given the general economic history, which I'm sure you are perfectly aware of, older women are either dirt poor, or ridiculously rich.

The dirt poor women may be receptive, but you just won't find them out. The ridiculously rich women can be found at high end cafes, but won't be receptive - except in special circumstances - but that kind of thing either falls in your lap, or it doesn't - not worth trying to search for.

I do have to say, some of my very, very best lays have been with 40-45 year old women.

Sorry I don't have concrete advice...[/QUOTE]
Generally I was hoping for something like middle-class older women in Kiev. I do believe that they exists there but I guess that most of them are married and do housework/chores all day long or something like taking care of the kids. Are there any middle-class older women in Kiev that go out like at night or on the weekends to clubs or some similar venues of leisure and then sleep with men? I think there should be some, somewhere.

I don't think that I will have a chance with rich older women there, I bet that they do nothing all day but go on the shopping sprees, visit spas and beauty salons and hang out in restaurants and cafes. I mean, if they are adventurous then they might do some leisure f@cking on the side, but seriously I doubt it.

About 3-4 months world-class German fashion photographer Juergen Teller came to Kiev and did a photo-editorial for American W magazine. In some of his photos there was this older woman, I bet that she was very rich because what else would she be doing in the fashion photos?

I guess that I can settle for a decent-looking poor women as well if they are up for anal and games. I heard that there are plenty of underpaid teachers and grocery store/supermarket cashiers.

There are older women everywhere, all you have to do is chat them up in Russian. Just ask them out, they'll say yes, and after your date, they'll be thrilled to go home with you and do whatever you want.

Well, maybe that's an overstatement, if your main goal is anal sex. That will totally depend on the woman, and they aren't sitting around wondering when the next man will come along to butt fuck them. Maybe if you tell them that you've been travelling to Greece a lot, because you found the women there to be open minded about sexual taboos?

Look in any restaurant or cafe, you'll find these women in groups, and they will be 100% approachable. Expect them initailly to be very surprised that you are giving them so much attention, so have your reasons ready to explain, to alleviate their suspicion of your intention. Tell them your story about growing up there, and this is the first time you are returning, and that you want to make new friends. That should do it.

Marriage agencies also have older women, and should be open to flings. There will always be some older women cruising the internet dating websites, and they should respond when you send them your foto.

Bez has it spot on - don't know why I didn't think of it earlier - run searches on the marraige agencies, in the age range you're looking for (40-45) - you'll find oodles of them that way. And those ladies get few, if any, letters, so they should be very receptive.

As for taking it up the butt - couldn't say. But probably most will, if they think you are into them.

The agency method for older women would be the most effective - you can find lots of them, quickly, and they'll be receptive (Whereas writing to hot 20 year old girls on those sites is a waste of time - they are flooded with messages....). Also, you can get some pre-meeting chat time, to warm them up. As Bez says, they'll be shocked, and thus skeptical, that you are even interested in them.

[QUOTE=Street Sleuth]Bez has it spot on - don't know why I didn't think of it earlier - run searches on the marraige agencies, in the age range you're looking for (40-45) - you'll find oodles of them that way. And those ladies get few, if any, letters, so they should be very receptive.

As for taking it up the butt - couldn't say. But probably most will, if they think you are into them.

The agency method for older women would be the most effective - you can find lots of them, quickly, and they'll be receptive (Whereas writing to hot 20 year old girls on those sites is a waste of time - they are flooded with messages....). Also, you can get some pre-meeting chat time, to warm them up. As Bez says, they'll be shocked, and thus skeptical, that you are even interested in them.[/QUOTE]
Good idea, why didn't I thought of it myself before.

Another thing is if they would be interested in me, I am 21 years old and most of the agency listings that I came across were where women said something like "seeking 35+ or 40+ year old man for a serious relationship" and stuff like that.

I am pretty decent guy, but I am not looking for a serious relationship. Only like one-night thing or like meeting up couple of times for action. Basically I am interested that they will do things for money: anal and hopefully photos. I have no idea how the agency system works, do I pay them like $20.00 for the woman's email address, or how does it works?

As far as I know why women don't like anal is for these reasons: painful, dirty and ungodly. I don't plan to hurt them and I am willing to go slow and use lots of lube. If they think that it is dirty then I will be more than happy to give an enema to the woman. For ungodly part I have no answer, I am an atheist so I simply don't care about it.

So I guess that the best thing for me to do is just to be upfront with them that I am looking for an older woman for a day or two of good and fun time.

Yossi try rambler or love.mail.ru mambo sites, should be no problem meeting any women including older women, especially when you speak the language. Maybe you could experiment with putting it in your profile that you are only looking for fun or not a serios relationship, and see what types of responses you get. I got some very friendly responses, I speak the language, but I limit my search to 23 y olds. Searhing in Kiev alone in 35-45 range came up with 3300 matches.