Chat Rooms & Pen Pals

[QUOTE=JPF]Thank you. Could you suggest a phrase that is inbetween "fun" and "have dinner||meet"? I would like it open enough to include the possibility of sex but not be too blatant. I know that dinner can lead to sex but I would prefer to let them know that that isn't the only thing I am interested in.[/QUOTE]

I never ask upfront. If you want to find out how far she may go, ask about exes, ask about DIA exes, something offhand like 'I hope you used protection' I've found gives me answers, plus makes me look responsible :p This way you can get a good idea of the answer to your Q without asking outright.

I think the key is to just secure the meetup, then figure out if she's up for it. Most that come, will be up for it. Also the further they have to travel to you the better your chances.

So depending on what approach you use, just make sure you give the impression you're there for longer than say 2 weeks.

Also, be prince charming in the way you speak, I always say waffle like 'let's wait, so it can be special...' lol, always hit the jackpot before meet 5 :p

[QUOTE=GregLondon]I think for the majority of Filipinas on DIA, the key is to know where they stand.[/QUOTE]I think you over complicate it. In using DIA for past 3 years, and other sites I have an over 90% score ratio. I look ok, I treat the girls ok, they know they are safe with me and that I'm not some sleazy guy, and the rest is just natural. They always seem as keen to get into bed as I am.

My last 5-10 dates have involved meeting a girl, having a drink and maybe food then walking to my car to go to my place or to Eurotel and not one girl has said " wait, where are we going, why are we going to your place " etc.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I agree wholeheartedly with WC and WR.

After 2 years on DIA of using code words, scouting around the truth and trying to paint this wonderful picture of a professional good guy I went the same way as WC - I put up a profile that said I am too busy for building relationships and just prefer discreet meetings, even in the day time if it suits.

They "poured out of the woodwork", to use WC's phrase. And some of the respondents were the ones with "God-fearing" and "no scammers" in their profiles.

It's all a big crazy game.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GregLondon]I think for the majority of Filipinas on DIA, the key is to know where they stand. Unfortunately because of DIA's rules re talking about money it is difficult for both guys and especially girls to set out what they are really looking for without getting banned. The majority of non scammer girls on DIA are looking for marriage but probably at least 70% are alo open to a shorter term thing provided there is something in it for them , typically some financial compensation.[/QUOTE]
Something I found interesting regarding the girls who read that naughty profile and responded: 99% of those responding for a meetup had something in her profile saying she was not there for games, no playboys plz, she's looking for a husband. This must be the 70% of pinay who are open to a shorter term thing provided financial gain (many girls mention that in chat -- "can you help me to my problem?"). RK is right, IT'S ALL A BIG CRAZY GAME. Also, on my most recent trip I met and banged (repeatedly) two dating site women who refused money other than the taxi. "You make puta of me like that. Don't do it. Already you buy me a lunch. Its nice for me. See you tomorrow night ya." (dream come true?)

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I agree wholeheartedly with WC and WR.

trying to paint this wonderful picture of a professional good guy I went the same way as WC[/QUOTE]
RK

I have seen you with the peach.....professional? Methinks other words come to mind and we have the photos to prove it LOL See you soon

Seriuously I have met DIA etc ladies who want to 'try' a white guy. Am always happy being that sort of guinea pig and tehy can try me as long as they like...of course they must be slim, shaved and under 22 years old :D

Thanks again to all for the good advice. I don't think I have the patience for multiple chat and cam sessions with many women working slowly towards an understanding of what might take place when we meet. Not when I can go to a bar and pick up someone so easily.

So I think I will stick to the more direct approach knowing that it will cut down on the success rate but also on the amount of interaction required. Westcoast1 has also pointed out to me that a dating site like DIA is better than Tagged for my purposes.

Finally, Greg London's advice is also good: "The problem is that you are trying to think too far ahead. As soon as you talk about end of January most girls will be smart enough to understand that there is a less than 1% chance that she will ever meet you so won't bother responding." So I will also wait until I am much closer to my arrival date before my next attempts.

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker]Just make your openining message friendly and simple. Move the conversation over to YM and exchange some photos and try to see them on Cam. After a few chats then feel the girl out for additional interests. Just get a little naughtier each time and see how they take it. When they feel more comfortable with you then you can say...Hey Im single but I dont like the bar scene and I would love some company. Can you stay with me overnight if after we meet you like me? Meet them for a drink and if all goes well then take it from there. If you dont like them then just end it there and move on.
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[QUOTE=JPF]Thanks again to all for the good advice. I don't think I have the patience for multiple chat and cam sessions with many women working slowly towards an understanding of what might take place when we meet. Not when I can go to a bar and pick up someone so easily.

So I think I will stick to the more direct approach knowing that it will cut down on the success rate but also on the amount of interaction required. Westcoast1 has also pointed out to me that a dating site like DIA is better than Tagged for my purposes.[/QUOTE]However you decide to do it it is all a numbers game and takes a lot of time. That is why I was saying that it would probably be better to get someone from one of the bars. I didn't have any luck on DIA myself and I used to be king of online dating sites around the world. I just don't have the patience anymore for most of these dating sites.

Can anyone ring in on the no show rate of DIA chicks? And is there any particular demographic of chicks that is more likely to show up?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]However you decide to do it it is all a numbers game and takes a lot of time. That is why I was saying that it would probably be better to get someone from one of the bars. I didn't have any luck on DIA myself and I used to be king of online dating sites around the world. I just don't have the patience anymore for most of these dating sites.

Can anyone ring in on the no show rate of DIA chicks? And is there any particular demographic of chicks that is more likely to show up?[/QUOTE]No shows are 4 out of every 5. I call after I am in town letting them know I'm in town and where I am staying. Then auntie got sick, father is in hospital, school work to do, etc etc etc. The only ones that show up are the ones that need the money. Remember, the women play the guys as much as the guys play the women.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]
Can anyone ring in on the no show rate of DIA chicks? And is there any particular demographic of chicks that is more likely to show up?[/QUOTE]

I did not have a single no-show.. showing up an hour late is standard though.. expect that. Also they have a lot of trouble finding places.. pick some meeting place that even a complete imbecile would be able to find...

In my experience, no-shows are not really a problem.. a much more annoying scenario is when the girl shows up late with 2 friends, they dine and get entertained at your expense.. then say goodbye and go home

[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist]I did not have a single no-show.. showing up an hour late is standard though.. expect that. Also they have a lot of trouble finding places.. pick some meeting place that even a complete imbecile would be able to find...
In my experience, no-shows are not really a problem.. a much more annoying scenario is when the girl shows up late with 2 friends, they dine and get entertained at your expense.. then say goodbye and go home[/QUOTE]
On my last trip I didn't have a single no-show. I did have, however, have one make an excuse (see Slippery below) to not meet me (sick father). Maybe the father is sick, maybe she just got nervous at the thought of a white man leading with his c*ck out of his pants. Who knows. The good news is that every other woman from my dating site that I mentioned I would like to meet was leading the charge to get to me. Lateness is more of a problem than no-shows.

[QUOTE=Slippery]No shows are 4 out of every 5. I call after I am in town letting them know I'm in town and where I am staying. Then auntie got sick, father is in hospital, school work to do, etc etc etc. The only ones that show up are the ones that need the money. Remember, the women play the guys as much as the guys play the women.[/QUOTE]
I have an unusual vetting system that separates the 'curious' pinay from those that are willing to sleep with me. It takes too long to explain here, but several gents on this board are aware of it. Part of that process is the 'bad-boy' profile on a paid dating site.

Sorry for the long details but it's a good story.
Last night I met up with a DIA contact. Plan was to go to the disco in Cebu and then end up at my hotel.
She arrived with 2 (TWO) friends which was NOT pre-arranged. Too late for me to make a scene. I agreed to take all 3 to the disco.
One of the friends was smoking hot in a sexy dress.
Long story short.
Went to disco. My original DIA girl didn't want to dance much. The friends did. I made it clear to the sexy one I fancied her but she seemed a bit wary of moving against her friend (my DIA contact) . We exchanged contact numbers discreetly.
After 2 hours they all decided to go home because they were tired, and they dropped me off in my hotel (alone).
Two mins later, I get a text (obviously from the taxi) saying how nice it was to meet me (from the sexy friend).
I messaged back and agreed and said I hoped to see her again and that I was now all alone in my hotel room.
She replied "You like to see me now? If you do, what is room number?"

Ten minutes later we were hard at it, and she stayed all night and multiple shots and for taxi money only.

SO........ don't dismiss all occasions when your girl brings a friend. Sometimes the dark cloud has a very silver lining.

Those of you who find you have so many Phil contacts and leads that you lose track of them may be interested to download the "free address book" manager

[url]http://addressbook.gassoftwares.com/[/url]

It's a stand alone contacts manger which will allow you to set up an address book just for your Phil contacts. It allows you to create unlimited extra fields for data such as looks, sexual tastes/performance, DIA Facebook Ids and whatever else you find useful, plus to upload a pic of the girl.

Essential PIM does a similar job a bit more elegantly but the Pro version isnt free and pirated versions tend to expire after awhile meaning you lose your contacts database if you are not carfeful, whereas FAB is totally free software.



re No shows.

The question is how are they defined. I suspect the OP was talking about chatting to girls in the months before a trip who claimed they were keen to meet, then he calls then once he arrives to find they have new Bf's sick dads, cold feet etc. This is indeed a pretty common problem. I think the guys talking about Zero % no shows are talking about calling a girl arranging to meet an hour later at Jollybees and she shows up 2 hours later. Generally girls will show up in these circumstances, though you may need to do quite a bit of texting and often girls will not actually start their journery until you actually say I'm here at Jolybees waiting for you. (which is why i prefer to meet at my hotel if at all possible.) Sadly if you look a bit frightening they can get cold feet and try and run away before they say hello (speaking from sad experience), if you try to meet at say the mall.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]..............................re No shows.

........ and often girls will not actually start their journery until you actually say I'm here at Jolybees waiting for you. (which is why i prefer to meet at my hotel if at all possible.) Sadly if you look a bit frightening they can get cold feet and try and run away before they say hello (speaking from sad experience), if you try to meet at say the mall.[/QUOTE]

You're right GL about the girls needing heaps of re-assurance that you are actually gonna be there to meet them. Seems many punters play the girls along by standing them up - seems to give these guys some power surge to know they have girls running after them.
Meeting at the hotel can be even more frightening for us guys too. I met a girl yesterday in a mall after a short chat on cam who was NOTHING like her DIA persona or her appearance on cam. She was absolutely god-awful ugly as sin; fat, lanky oily hair. I would have had a problem if she had arrived at the hotel room as I would have had to kick her out without even letting her in the room.
Luckily I am so dashingly handsome that I never scare girls away in the mall lol. (No smart ass comments from you WR; you know we both take that Brad Pitt pill that you import hehe)

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Meeting at the hotel can be even more frightening for us guys too. I met a girl yesterday in a mall after a short chat on cam who was NOTHING like her DIA persona or her appearance on cam. She was absolutely god-awful ugly as sin; fat, lanky oily hair. I would have had a problem if she had arrived at the hotel room as I would have had to kick her out without even letting her in the room.[/QUOTE]That is a bit harsh RK. You should have sent her over to me and I would have fucked her for you!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]You're right GL about the girls needing heaps of re-assurance that you are actually gonna be there to meet them. Seems many punters play the girls along by standing them up - seems to give these guys some power surge to know they have girls running after them.
Meeting at the hotel can be even more frightening for us guys too. I met a girl yesterday in a mall after a short chat on cam who was NOTHING like her DIA persona or her appearance on cam. She was absolutely god-awful ugly as sin; fat, lanky oily hair. I would have had a problem if she had arrived at the hotel room as I would have had to kick her out without even letting her in the room.
Luckily I am so dashingly handsome that I never scare girls away in the mall lol. (No smart ass comments from you WR; you know we both take that Brad Pitt pill that you import hehe)[/QUOTE]

Yes RK is certainly right that if anything the stand up risk is even greater for the girls. Some guys will take pleasure in making mall meet up dates with girls WHEN THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN THE COUNTRY, just to have "fun" and show they can have pretty girls run after them. To my mind such behaviour is pretty despicable. It's why girls often insist that you call or text them on a Phils Cell no, so that at least they can be confident that you are actually in the country. Other guys will take a look at the girl standing around waiting for him then not have the decency to even say hello and buy her an ice cream or something, just run away and maybe text her an hour later saying that he say her and she's not for him. It's one thing if she was using a fake photo or is a lady boy or something, but I've known cases like this happening to perfectly attractive girls who provided pics/cam and didn't tell any lies about age etc. generally such girls will have taken maybe an hour to fix herself up, wear nice clothes, maybe 30 mins or an hour plus some pesos to get there, so again I think such behaviour is pretty spineless.

RK is also right in that there are dangers of a meet up in the hotel. I think one has to be pretty thick skinned about this. If the girl turns out to be a LadyBoy or was clearly using a fake photo etc then I will say that she was not what I was lead to expect and give maybe 50P to take a jeep back home. they are usually pissed off by this but I disappear back to the elevator pretty quick and leave hotel security to get them out of there PDQ.

If its just a question of chemistry or how she looks in the light of day, I would tend to take her to the pool area, have a drink or burger etc and then say nice to meet you and give her 100P for transport home.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]
generally such girls will have taken maybe an hour to fix herself up, wear nice clothes, maybe 30 mins or an hour plus some pesos to get there, so again I think such behaviour is pretty spineless.

RK is also right in that there are dangers of a meet up in the hotel. I think one has to be pretty thick skinned about this. If the girl turns out to be a LadyBoy or was clearly using a fake photo etc then I will say that she was not what I was lead to expect and give maybe 50P to take a jeep back home. they are usually pissed off by this but I disappear back to the elevator pretty quick and leave hotel security to get them out of there PDQ.

If its just a question of chemistry or how she looks in the light of day, I would tend to take her to the pool area, have a drink or burger etc and then say nice to meet you and give her 100P for transport home.[/QUOTE]

I always treat them with respect even if chubby, ugly, even a LB (for them just say sorry not my type and move one nicely). Mr E am glad you like the ugly ones saves more for me and RK :D

As for LBs. I always insist on cam (C2C) first and that way you can an idea so for years I have never had an issue. No cam no meet has been my motto and while as a a newbie I made mistakes etc I dont now and also let my judgement work. On one spectacular occassion not that long ago I did not C2C with a girl and still saw her....breaking my own rule but as it turned out well worth it as was Cebu favourite and she has been my favourite ever since.

But generally even she is not your type be nice, some of these girls do take 2 jeepneys and may even told parents or friends so let them enjoy the time and have some respect.

Plenty a**holes dont we know but dont be one of them

RK -= me smart ass comments??...never, have fun with the peach (but then I may see you ;))