Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2549380]I don't think it matters. You're not doing her much of a favor, a drink you're paying 200 baht is worth 50 baht to her, zero novelty value and I bet she's not exactly thirsty either. What's she going to do, refuse a drink because she doesn't like you, and fail to get that commission or fill the quota?

All that a lady drink is good for is maybe evaluating chemistry with the girl up close. Even that is dubious, I had plenty of girls who were nice and enthusiastic in the bar and a flop in the room, or inversely, reserved in the bar, but really friendly and good in the room.[/QUOTE]Only 50 baht goes to girl? Wow, that's a ripoff. The whole concept of bardrinks would make sense if it would go to girl's pocket then she could be nicer to you, instead it's basically scam to extrude cash from nice guys. I think it's better not to buy lady drink and if girl performed well give her a tip, then you reward girl directly and not bar owner.

I used to post on here 15 - 20 years ago, but I have not been here for a while. I keep reading the partially wrong info to the total BS that isn't even close to being correct being posted here and I can't take it anymore.

So, I am back to set the record straight for all of you sitting at home dreaming about the day you will be able to come to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2549381]To get a GFE from a bargirl is not easy. If they are in the business fresh it can happen. But soon enough they get jaded. Most bargirls come from the villages looking money, love, better life. Initially they are sweet, friendly.

Before buying a drink make sure she is willing to go with you if you choose.[/QUOTE]This is absolutely false, of the 2,000 or so ladies I have been with over the years 100% provide GFE. This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.

Next why buying the girls drinks is an absolute must.

[QUOTE=BillMiami;2549390]This is absolutely false, of the 2,000 or so ladies I have been with over the years 100% provide GFE. This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.[/QUOTE]I am with you on that and I never hear any of my friends complaining about the chicks they go with. I have always said you could just walk up and tell a chick lets go without all of the buying drinks and courting. But I guess different experiences for different people.

You can find a lot of the YT streams by searching for [URL=https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+Soi+6+Pattaya]Soi 6 Pattaya[/URL] and then clicking the filter for live. Right now I'm seeing 20 odd streams, many from the Nightwish group and some duplicates, all showing women in various stages of boredom.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2549409]I am with you on that and I never hear any of my friends complaining about the chicks they go with. [b]I have always said you could just walk up and tell a chick lets go without all of the buying drinks and courting.[/b] But I guess different experiences for different people.[/QUOTE]It's even easier with some streetwalkers. I don't even need to say "let's go" or anything to them. They're the ones saying that to guys walking by.

That's the way I like it. Easy peasy.

No game whatsoever needed. Just baht.

[QUOTE=BillMiami;2549390]This is absolutely false, of the 2,000 or so ladies I have been with over the years 100% provide GFE. This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.

Next why buying the girls drinks is an absolute must.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say absolutely false. Haha.

About buying drinks to gage Chemistry. You can weed out ones who are absolutely disgusted by your presence.

The rest it's a roll of the Dice.

Odds are not in your Favor.

[QUOTE=BillMiami;2549390]This is absolutely false, of the 2,000 or so ladies I have been with over the years 100% provide GFE. This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.

Next why buying the girls drinks is an absolute must.[/QUOTE]You can read this statement many ways. It really depends on your personal experiences and how you define GFE. I don't want the old GFE experience because old girlfriends are too much like having a wife. Sometime the new GFE is not so great either because their still trying to convince you they are "good girls". Me personally, I want the homely fat girlfriend experience but from a beautiful skinny girl. If you ever had sex with a plain looking woman who is lonely and starved for sex you will know what I mean. We used to call then "two baggers" because te only way you can do it is to place a bag over head and one over yours.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2549447]It's even easier with some streetwalkers. I don't even need to say "let's go" or anything to them. They're the ones saying that to guys walking by.

That's the way I like it. Easy peasy.

No game whatsoever needed. Just baht.[/QUOTE]At some level, I love the Tarzan experience. All you need is to nod, and 15 min later, she's on your dick. Treat them well, of course, but I don't like the overhead of trying to game working girls.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2549513]You can read this statement many ways. It really depends on your personal experiences and how you define GFE. I don't want the old GFE experience because old girlfriends are too much like having a wife. Sometime the new GFE is not so great either because their still trying to convince you they are "good girls". Me personally, I want the homely fat girlfriend experience but from a beautiful skinny girl. If you ever had sex with a plain looking woman who is lonely and starved for sex you will know what I mean. We used to call then "two baggers" because te only way you can do it is to place a bag over head and one over yours.[/QUOTE]In Thailand they call them the 500 baht Special.

[QUOTE=BillMiami;2549390]This is absolutely false, of the 2,000 or so ladies I have been with over the years 100% provide GFE. This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2549513]You can read this statement many ways. It really depends on your personal experiences and how you define GFE. I don't want the old GFE experience because old girlfriends are too much like having a wife.[/QUOTE]BillMiami's definition of GFE must be much different than my definition, or, he has a magic touch with the ladies. My definition of GFE involves lots of kisses, holding each other, chit-chat, teasing, caressing, cuddling, and BB everything. I seldom get that, especially in a first session. If Bill's definition of GFE is simply sex, that happens about 95% of the time. There have been a few times where I've sent a girl away after arriving at my room, typically because of a degraded attitude compared to when we cut a deal.

I do believe in buying 1 or 2 drinks before going to the room. That is time for chit chat to assess if I really want to spend a couple of hours with that particular girl. If she wants to get drunk, she can do that with somebody else.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2549559]BillMiami's definition of GFE must be much different than my definition, or, he has a magic touch with the ladies. My definition of GFE involves lots of kisses, holding each other, chit-chat, teasing, caressing, cuddling, and BB everything. I seldom get that, especially in a first session. If Bill's definition of GFE is simply sex, that happens about 95% of the time. There have been a few times where I've sent a girl away after arriving at my room, typically because of a degraded attitude compared to when we cut a deal.

I do believe in buying 1 or 2 drinks before going to the room. That is time for chit chat to assess if I really want to spend a couple of hours with that particular girl. If she wants to get drunk, she can do that with somebody else.[/QUOTE]As an older guy, waay older, I prefer the KTV experience in China or Cambodia. Get to know the girl, play games, sing a song, dance, have a few drinks, grope a bit, etc. The quickie does nothing for me or the hand job in a massage parlor. That's for the kids who just want to get their rocks off. I have a couple KTV girls that I consider GFE ones and both have their own cars. Will pick me up at the airport, drive to see some attraction, etc. We go to dinner, out to clubs. These I tell when I will arrive and they will show up to welcome me to China properly. Light massage if I want, take off my shoes, get my drink for me, order in if needed as I don't speak much Chinese. I enjoy the GFE even though I know I am paying for it. Never had them count the RMB as they were leaving, just put in their bag whatever I gave them, and yes I am generous but not extravagant.

This is more in line with what I like. I like to play four square and other games for an hour or two and get to know the girl. Then maybe take back to hotel or take a couple nights later. I like the GFE, so I want to get to know them better.

Not on soi 6 though. It's more of a buy them a drink, grope a bit then either take to room or leave.

In phuket I had girls I never barfined but would buy drinks for and play games with often. For 1000 baht I could spend a pleasant couple hours, get a little drunk a the have a good time.

The part I'm bad at is when a girl pulls me into bar and she sits right next to me kind of hanging on, I feel obligated to buy her a drink when I buy mine.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2549574]As an older guy, waay older, I prefer the KTV experience in China or Cambodia. Get to know the girl, play games, sing a song, dance, have a few drinks, grope a bit, etc. The quickie does nothing for me or the hand job in a massage parlor. That's for the kids who just want to get their rocks off. I have a couple KTV girls that I consider GFE ones and both have their own cars. Will pick me up at the airport, drive to see some attraction, etc. We go to dinner, out to clubs. These I tell when I will arrive and they will show up to welcome me to China properly. Light massage if I want, take off my shoes, get my drink for me, order in if needed as I don't speak much Chinese. I enjoy the GFE even though I know I am paying for it. Never had them count the RMB as they were leaving, just put in their bag whatever I gave them, and yes I am generous but not extravagant.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2549559]BillMiami's definition of GFE must be much different than my definition, or, he has a magic touch with the ladies. My definition of GFE involves lots of kisses, holding each other, chit-chat, teasing, caressing, cuddling, and BB everything.[/QUOTE]That's pretty close to my definition of a GFE in the P4P world, too. I can't imagine putting up with any "Girlfriend" for more than a single night whose sexual participation and expectations were less than that.

However, regardless what details define a GFE for each of us in a P4P session, we can probably assume the punter touting the term means it was a positive, pleasant, successful sexual session.

That makes it very difficult for me to take recommendations seriously from punters who say things like they've had thousands of P4P sessions over many years and 100% of them were "positive, pleasant sexual successes", never had a bad experience, never had a reason to complain, don't know anyone else who had a bad experience or a reason to complain either and so on.

Oh, it isn't that I don't believe them or that I think they are just being provocative, winging it and making stuff up that sounds good at the moment. I have no reason to suspect they have had anything but very good to great sex (for them, by their standards, of course) with every one of the thousands of P4P ladies they have ever been with over many years, etc.

It's that such assertions render any list of "Do's and Don't's for a successful P4P session" that follow from that punter utterly irrelevant if not silly. By their own doing based on those kind of assertions. How could someone who has never had a bad P4P sexual session possibly know what does or doesn't produce one?

I mean, realistically speaking, for all he or anyone else knows, such a punter has been having just ok sex sessions with every P4P lady he has ever been with and might be shocked to start having truly great ones if only he experimented with doing the opposite of everything he's done and recommended up to now.

I find this emphasis on GFE funny, because speaking for myself, the last thing I want from a sexual relationship is (girl)friendship to be in the way. As soon as I become friends with a woman, she ceases to appear to me as a pure sex object and I go off her. That maybe the reason why I don't like to buy girls drink before we go to the room. The less I come to know a girl, the better the sex with her. Taking a girl along on a beach holiday presents me with a dilemma too: either we have a good time as friends together but the sex goes downhill, or we have great sex because we remain strangers or even half hostile to one another. I have a fucked up brain.

I visited a Real Doll (sexbot) brothel in Dormund (Germany) twice. The technology is not rife regarding adopting positions, but once it is, no more bio-women for me for sure.