Angeles City

[QUOTE=Manny51;2986130]Ok, whoa. I would agree with that last sentence or two. But otherwise, alot of this just sounds like some bitterness about the how the good 'ol days are gone. Yeah, the prices are higher than they used to be. But its still a great point and shoot convenience. There is always a competition for the prime targets, but its not some racist conspiracy. Just show up early (before 7 pm), brush your teeth, and run a comb through your hair and you'll be fine. Remember, most Pinay's don't speak korean. They speak ENGLISH. Flash some money and you'll be fine.

Yes, the city is run down. But if you stay at the ABC, that all disappears into the background. And spend your days at the SM Mall, which in my opinion, can stand up to the Beverly Center in LA any day.

As a recent AC noobie, I would take this "Noobie Guide" with a grain of salt. Rather, I would agree with Moonshot's tone and assessment. Nobody ever said it was better than Pattaya. But its a good time for 2-4 days.

Just be selective where you eat.[/QUOTE]What I don't understood, it's why PI prices are go up so high? Now, because the girls don't stay all night, a ST bacame 4 k, 5 K or more. In anywhere other third-world country, like Africa, prices are cheaper.

When I see the poverty in PI I can't understood thoose prices.

Maybe I was too lazy and get stuck in AC, maybe they are many opportunities in Manilla or provinces, but I don't see those opportunities.

I know this information perhaps doesn't apply to most of the readers here. But when I was in AC a couple of months ago, there was a six-foot-four fit blonde American white guy who I'd put at around 28 years old. He looked exactly like a young Chris Hemsworth. He was there about a week. This dude was dancing and surrounded by girls at Mega Dance nightly. I once saw him walk into Masquerades and all the girls turned and screamed and touched him as he passed by and walked past them up to the upper level. Reminded me of when this used to happen to me 8 years ago when I first arrived in AC (sadly I've aged a bit and this now happens rarely). I guarantee this dude payed not one peso for sex, and I'm sure he had plenty. My point is this. What you pay, and your experience, is based on your value and they get paid based on their value. It goes both ways. Don't act like there are hard and fast rules. Humans are the same everywhere. Nature has curated a perfect system.

So how does this information benefit you (us)? Get fit, dress well, be clean, be charismatic, engage with the girls. Your experience will be much much better.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2986183]. I guarantee this dude payed not one peso for sex, and I'm sure he had plenty. My point is this. What you pay, and your experience, is based on your value and they get paid based on their value. It goes both ways. Don't act like there are hard and fast rules. Humans are the same everywhere. Nature has curated a perfect system.er.[/QUOTE]The guy might have got some "freebies" from simple farm folk following a Pretty Woman dream (hookers love that movie and they do have remants of normal feelings). But the casino of working girls ain't running no charity. Many hookers prefer older guys? Why? More money and they don't bonk all night but finish quickly and let the hookers sleep or head off.

One major mis conception here is we have the Viva las Vegas cheapos wanting to be cut price high rollers. If you want to go to las Vegas and lose your shirt while you impress the bank, do so, If you think you are a high roller in Angeles, get your head examined.

Thai hookers are better in that regard. If you float around, you will see some shake down the uber rich, others the young crusties etc for 3 panties for 100 baht. My favourite was the guy who told his hired ho she had just spent the last of his money. Her reply was: Bye bye.

There is also a power dynamic involved here. Of course, you should be modeately well groomed, if only to show you are not going to shank her. But dresing up like you are going to a job interview or a Proms date? Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2986140]I've never been to AC, but I think there is a preponderance of posts that contradict the doom and gloom that Napa gives out. I intend to try Pattaya before Angeles, simply because I have my places in the Philippines I would go to before AC, too. But to paint it in this way flies against logic and what most posters here say.[/QUOTE]Hi Aml,

I'd have to agree.

AC is definitely not my favorite place to visit, and as Napa points out, it's pretty much a shit-hole compared to other alternative locations _ Just my personal opinion.

But hey, loads of guys love the place and what it has to offer.

So, if you've found a place you enjoy and have a great time there, then go for it!

I've just found that over time and despite the location, if you think outside the square, you'll generally be rewarded.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2986153]Korean van girl delivery service. That is not what it is. I have observed those vans. These are just regular hotel transportation vans provided as a courtesy to hotel guests. At certain times, they leave from the hotel to the beginning of Walking Street. At certain times, they return and pick up hotel guests who may or may not have girls with them to return to the hotel. What these vans are not doing are picking up girls from the bars and delivering them to the hotel. If you think about it, it doesn't make any sense.[/QUOTE]Please don't take this the wrong way. Just want to clear up some things.

As you said in a previous post, you're very new to angeles. You likely weren't there when envy was still open and all you had to do was sit in the outer section and watch the vans do their thing. This was as late as last year.

You seem to be confusing hotel vans in general with vans full of pre-booked girls. The two are very different services operated by two very different groups of people, sometimes even by the same groups of loosely connected people. What you probably don't know is the K party villas, casino packages, golf packages, dive packages, beach packages etc that is all on offer with pre-booked girls included. The vans full of girls and pre-booking services still exist (it's a system still used in Korea, I know because I lived there), they're just not as prevalent as before.

AC is a shithole and the Koreans are in charge for the most part. It doesnt mean a guy cant find pretty 18-23yo girls to creampie on a regular basis for half the price of a barfine, or the price of a barfine if the guy insists (which is ***** in my opinion, but its their money to spend as they wish). Just because a girl might be reluctant to go with you in the bar, doesnt mean she wont see you outside the bar. As stated in other posts, basic hygiene goes a long way. Dont worry about being fat or dressing up to impress 3rd world hookers, plenty of fat poorly dressed guys have creampied those girls in the past and plenty more will do so in the future. Just make sure you have your money in hand when its your turn, dont smell like an asshole and more importantly dont behave like one.

Most men I have seen in Angeles city are pretty gross. They don't look good, they don't dress well. There isn't much appealing about them. No offense intended, just stating the facts. As I get older, I slowly slip into that category as well. Thats the whole reason why we pay the girls. We pay the girls to do shit they don't want to do. If they wanted to sleep with us without us paying, we wouldn't pay them now would we? Or maybe we would but it would just be called a "gift".

Regarding the young chris helmsworth, damn some men just have it. Good for him. I'm just thankful that I can pretty much bang the same girls he does for a price, so can pretty much any guy.

Pricing. Yes of course the prices have been going up to 5 or 6 k or even more so I hear. You can blame it on the koreans. Plain and simple. You're arriving from a western country after having paid a 1500 USD ticket to get there. They're arriving after paying for a cebu pacific special 1 peso fare. They may not be richer than you in absolute terms but they have more money to spend, and to them 5 k is a deal compared to what they'd pay back home. That sounds familiar, doesn't it. And the cycle continues. At one point in time it was the Americans. Next it'll be the chinese. Go earn more money. That's the only way to win.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2986137]You do hear some guy saying that some of the girls in the Korean bars won't go with Westerners. But that's assuming that if you are Westerner and you go to Korean bar and you get turned down that's solely because you are a Westerner. It's just as possible that it's due to other reasons not related to being a Westerner. You are too old, unattractive, too fat, smelly, dress like a slob or all of the above. I was talking to a very attractive girl in a Korean bar and she was telling me that if you buy her a ladies drink and your hands are over her, she won't go out with you. So if you are Westerner and you do this then she turns you down, it's not because you're a Westerner, it's because of your behavior.

But most Westerners just assume it's because they are Westerners when it is in fact some other reason.

Some people mention that the girls don't speak Korean but you have to understand that the Koreans speak English. English is taught as a second language in the school system and most Koreans speak some basic English enough to be understood.

Might take on Angeles is that it's not as good as you think but is also not as bad as you think. If you were here on a short vacation and are not put off by the bar fines and well groomed and not obnoxious, you will have a good time with young attractive girls. However if you are smelly, don't pay much attention to your appearance, rude, aggressive, abrasive or really unattractive, or all of the above, it will affect your ability to get young attractive girls to go with you.

That being said, you don't see a lot of young fit guys visiting Angeles so if you are the typical overweight average looking older guy who acts in a decent manner, you will do fine and the girls will be fun and friendly with you.

I have also mentioned that there is a lower price option here in Angeles with the online girls. These girls are not stunners but they are attractive enough and they will take 1,500 to 2,000 with 2 K being the normal acceptable price based on my experience. These girls also tend to be fun and friendly and provide a solid performance. At the same time you don't have to be an Angeles to find these online girls, you can find them in any major city in the same way and the city will be nicer.

Bottom line Angeles City is still a fun place to visit and you will still be able to have sex with young pretty girls for a reasonable price. But if you're one of those guys who came here 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, it's not the same but it is what it is. Accept it or don't come here. The days of cheap fines at the bars is over.

Now I'm eating some delicious garlic chicken at the Kenny Rogers Roasters at the SM Mall now. My trip is almost over and I generally enjoyed my month's stay here. Good place to visit but not necessarily a great place to retire.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2986153]Korean van girl delivery service. That is not what it is. I have observed those vans. These are just regular hotel transportation vans provided as a courtesy to hotel guests. At certain times, they leave from the hotel to the beginning of Walking Street. At certain times, they return and pick up hotel guests who may or may not have girls with them to return to the hotel. What these vans are not doing are picking up girls from the bars and delivering them to the hotel. If you think about it, it doesn't make any sense.

Yes, it is true that a number of the girls want to leave after you have sex with them. They will make some excuse or they will tell you upfront that they will only stay for a few hours. This tends to be the young pretty girls and not your standard 7 or less. I just accept it as part of the way Angeles does business. Go out with the girl, some barhopping, dancing at the nightclubs and eating then a good round of sex and if she wants to leave, don't worry about it. You had your fun and the bar fine is not crazy high, just a bit high..[/QUOTE]This is a great example of why and how AC become totally worthless as a mongering destination. Some of you think this is okay and a good place to fly 24 hours to get to. No fun inside the bars. Condoms being demanded for FS. Now hearing that even BJ and DFK is too much to expect from "pretty" young girls after you pay them about a months average wage for a couple of hours of work. That is if they deem you "worthy" to take your money? Seriously guys? You will spend thousands of dollars to go to a total shit hole for this kind of service when 100 X better destinations exist a short flight away from there?

I'm not claiming to know what's going on there now first hand, I was last there in 2022 and it was already going downhill. I'm just going by facts as reported by Moonshot who apparently had a "good" time there recently. I'm glad he enjoyed but seriously guys? Your money and your dick but leaves some of us scratching our heads and thinking WTF?

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[QUOTE=RainMania;2986220]Please don't take this the wrong way. Just want to clear up some things.

As you said in a previous post, you're very new to angeles. You likely weren't there when envy was still open and all you had to do was sit in the outer section and watch the vans do their thing. This was as late as last year.

You seem to be confusing hotel vans in general with vans full of pre-booked girls. The two are very different services operated by two very different groups of people, sometimes even by the same groups of loosely connected people. What you probably don't know is the K party villas, casino packages, golf packages, dive packages, beach packages etc that is all on offer with pre-booked girls included. The vans full of girls and pre-booking services still exist (it's a system still used in Korea, I know because I lived there), they're just not as prevalent as before.

AC is a shithole and the Koreans are in charge for the most part. It doesnt mean a guy cant find pretty 18-23yo girls to creampie on a regular basis for half the price of a barfine, or the price of a barfine if the guy insists (which is ***** in my opinion, but its their money to spend as they wish). Just because a girl might be reluctant to go with you in the bar, doesnt mean she wont see you outside the bar. As stated in other posts, basic hygiene goes a long way..[/QUOTE]If there are these vans full of girls, I stand corrected. I didn't see any, I just saw the hotel vans but that doesn't mean that there aren't vans full of girls.

No, I am not very new to Angeles. I first visited Angeles in the 1990's and have been to Angeles numerous times since then. I was here before Envy was opened, here when it was open, and now here when it is gone. I am actually one of those old timers who have been Angeles back in the good old days but I whine less than others about it.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2986229]Most men I have seen in Angeles city are pretty gross. They don't look good, they don't dress well. There isn't much appealing about them. No offense intended, just stating the facts. As I get older, I slowly slip into that category as well. Thats the whole reason why we pay the girls. We pay the girls to do shit they don't want to do. If they wanted to sleep with us without us paying, we wouldn't pay them now would we? Or maybe we would but it would just be called a "gift".

Regarding the young chris helmsworth, damn some men just have it. Good for him. I'm just thankful that I can pretty much bang the same girls he does for a price, so can pretty much any guy.

Pricing. Yes of course the prices have been going up to 5 or 6 k or even more so I hear. You can blame it on the koreans. Plain and simple. You're arriving from a western country after having paid a 1500 USD ticket to get there. They're arriving after paying for a cebu pacific special 1 peso fare. They may not be richer than you in absolute terms but they have more money to spend, and to them 5 k is a deal compared to what they'd pay back home. That sounds familiar, doesn't it. And the cycle continues. At one point in time it was the Americans. Next it'll be the chinese. Go earn more money. That's the only way to win.[/QUOTE]You are correct in your assessment about the Koreans. Angeles City is a short cheap flight away from South Korea and it can be a weekend trip for Koreans. They don't make much more than Westerners but they didn't spend as much as Westerners to come here. And yes that is exactly what happened with Americans visiting close by countries Mexico, Costa Rica and Colombia. Spending money like drunken sailors because it is so much cheaper than back home. Also Koreans tend to be good businessmen and they saw an opportunity here to open bars and restaurants and hotels catering to men from South Korea and it has worked out well for them. It makes more business sense to cater to customers who are much closer to Angeles City than other visitors.

Westerners just complain and whine about the Koreans and try to insult them but that accomplishes nothing. As noted, if you want to beat them at their game, earn more money and spend more money.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2986183]they get paid based on their value. [/QUOTE]Their value to whom? Every punter values different chicks differently. So what you are saying is that when you walk into a bar, you value all the girls the same? Because they are all getting paid the same, barring that arbitrary model and spotlight shit they use to weasel more money out of you.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2986137]But if you're one of those guys who came here 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, it's not the same but it is what it is. Accept it or don't come here. The days of cheap fines at the bars is over.[/QUOTE]It is the same to me because I have always been a freelance guy. I have never been too keen on going through the bar middleman who half goes to. I have done it a couple of times, but never made it a habit. They have always been pretty boring to me.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2986235]If there are these vans full of girls, I stand corrected. I didn't see any, I just saw the hotel vans but that doesn't mean that there aren't vans full of girls.

No, I am not very new to Angeles. I first visited Angeles in the 1990's and have been to Angeles numerous times since then. I was here before Envy was opened, here when it was open, and now here when it is gone. I am actually one of those old timers who have been Angeles back in the good old days but I whine less than others about it.[/QUOTE]The vans also pick up groups of bargirls in front of or near Rob's Gastropub on Santos. I'm assuming they are heading to K-town.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2986252]It is the same to me because I have always been a freelance guy. I have never been too keen on going through the bar middleman who half goes to. I have done it a couple of times, but never made it a habit. They have always been pretty boring to me.[/QUOTE]Meeting girls on online dating sites is a viable cheaper option. Most of the girls are six or sevens in looks but they tend to be fun and friendly. Most are willing to accept 1500 to 2000 but may start higher. A number of them used to be former bar girls so sometimes you getting the same girls at the bars without the middleman.

My trip here to Angeles is coming to a close so I probably won't be posting as much very soon. I do not have an agenda. You can come to Angeles or you can go elsewhere. It really doesn't matter to me. You can spend as much money as you want. I don't care. I'm just sharing information that might be helpful to some guys.

Of course the value of a girl or a guy is relative to one's tastes and experiences. The statement still stands. And how would I walk into a bar and value all the girls the same? Some are ugly, some are hot. It supports the point. The ugly one is getting her value, which is almost nothing, based on her lack of lady drinks and barfines. In fact I bet if you took a hundred bargirls and sorted them by their monthly income (all sources) it would be just about right in order from hottest to ugliest.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2986250]Their value to whom? Every punter values different chicks differently. So what you are saying is that when you walk into a bar, you value all the girls the same? Because they are all getting paid the same, barring that arbitrary model and spotlight shit they use to weasel more money out of you.[/QUOTE]