Bangkok Reports

After 17 years working in Bangkok, I am going to retire. The question, where will spend my retirement years. BBK is not a choice for me. I seen BBK go from a cheap enjoyable place to one of being high prices, poor service, and over run with sex tourist. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against sex tourist. My point is that Thais in Bkk have become jaded with farangs, thus the poor service, scams and high prices. I have visited many Asian counties trying to determine where will I live out and enjoy the rest of my days. To my surprise, I have found a few places not in another country but right in Thailand. It is the cities of issan, for example Korat. I know this is a section for Bkk, but give me a minute to explain why I am posting here. By chance, I went to korat and Phitsanulok" on a business trip. First, the Thais there are much nicer and respectful then the Thais in Bkk, Pattaya, or many other places I been to in Thailand. Next, the massage palour girls gave a lot better service then the girls in Bkk, and many of these girls were cute and excited to be with me. This is not always the case in Bkk. Also, the price was a lot cheaper. Korat reminds me of how Bkk was 15 years ago. So here is my point, if you are tried of Bkk, get out and explore Issan. You will not find it overrun with sext tourist, thus you will get a lot more attention from the girls and ladies. Be a big fish 8n a small pond. Note that there are tons of tourist all over Thailand, but way less in Issan. I am in my 50s, I look like I am in my early 40s. While in Korat, I met 3 school girls while I was eating at a small food outlet, ages 18. They wanted to try their English with me. So we talked for about an hour. 2 girls left and the one tall cute brown skinned 18 girl with nice long jet black hair and stayed and talked with me. She was really sweet, funny, and nice. We exchanged cell phone numbers. Later that night, she invited me to hang out with her and her friends. One gay guy, 2 more new girls, and my new friend. The five of us had a really nice fun friendly time. I decided to take them all out to eat at a small thai place. Total cost for food for all of us, $18. This has never happen to me in Bkk. Good luck with meeting nice regular Thai cute girls in Bkk and starting a conversation with them and being invited to hang out with them. Also, When I went on the trip I dressed in nice business shirt, pants, and shoes (only because I was there on business), but I noticed I got treated better then the few tourist I saw in shorts, T shirt, and old flip flop shoes. What you wear suggest who you are and your economic status in life. Thais pay a lot of attention to this. Will I retire there, I will give it serious thought. Note Korat is not Bkk with sex for sale everywhere, but there are lots of options for sex with cute young girls, over 18 yo. There are about 5 massage palours there, night clubs, freelancers, etc. There are post on this site but they are not complete and out of date. Consider this post "food for thought. And yes, my new Thai female friend and I are planning to spend more time together when I go back to Korat. She is tall, somewhat a big bone girl, but still cute, with a pretty smile, flawless brown skin, and long soft jet black hair. When I told her she is pretty, she disagreed with me. She said Thai men like white skin Thai girls not brown skin Thai girls. Ok, well that just leaves more super pretty brown skin Thai girls for me!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1725031]She said Thai men like white skin Thai girls not brown skin Thai girls. [/QUOTE]As I'm preparing for my first trip to Thailand, I've watched hundreds of videos for BKK and Pattaya and was surprised to notice most of the clientele are farang rather than Thai men. Is it because Thai men can't afford to pick up girls at the beer gardens and clubs? Do they hobby in different parts of Thailand with 'white skin' Thai girls?

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1725031]After 17 years working in Bangkok, I am going to retire. The question, where will spend my retirement years. BBK is not a choice for me. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1724998]My desire to fuck various girls has faded away. Got it too good from favourite girl for a while, and never bored by her. I can save a lot of time and money by staying home. So my mongering reports may drop right off.[/QUOTE]It would be a real loss to the BKK section losing 2 veterans like yourselves.

Syzy, you're welcome to join me in the Pattaya part of my trip. Maybe a change of scenery will help you recharge your juices.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1725075]As I'm preparing for my first trip to Thailand, I've watched hundreds of videos for BKK and Pattaya and was surprised to notice most of the clientele are farang rather than Thai men. Is it because Thai men can't afford to pick up girls at the beer gardens and clubs? Do they hobby in different parts of Thailand with 'white skin' Thai girls?
[/QUOTE]Generally, the Thai men hang out at different places than the foreigners. There is some overlap, for example at some of the soapies, but most of the places you read about here are directed at foreign customers.

I remember once going to Tulip (the oil massage place) and a Thai man walked in wanting a session with a girl. They said there were no girls available then. Knowing this was almost certainly not true I stayed until the Thai man left. They then told me they didn't accept Thai customers and of course there were girls there.

I should add I once went to an area in Bangkok with go-gos pretty much exclusively for Thai customers. I went with an Asian friend who could speak Thai; none of the girls or staff at the go-gos seemed to speak any English. Others here will likely know the name of the area, but I don't remember it.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1724961]Was this study published anywhere? I'd like to read it and evaluate the methodology used to reach these statistics as well as take a deeper look at the actual statistics (e.g., it is unclear from your presentation which statistics are for sex tourists, and which for expats).

On the other hand, if it was just some sort of unpublished college project for an undergraduate course, I would be highly skeptical as to its accuracy as doing this sort of research is fraught with all sorts of methodological problems.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1724923]How was the survey conducted? Now is that with pre or post LB? Numbers might be higher as a certain % would deny admitting to encounters.[/QUOTE]I don't know the details, but it involved mostly dummy accounts on FB, other social sites, and online dating sites. It's not like they can stand outside the Asoke MRT station asking random individuals if they've been with a LB.

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I should add I once went to an area in Bangkok with go-gos pretty much exclusively for Thai customers. I went with an Asian friend who could speak Thai; none of the girls or staff at the go-gos seemed to speak any English. Others here will likely know the name of the area, but I don't remember it.[/QUOTE]I believe you're referring to the Saphan Khwai area? I've been one time and it's not worth going unless you speak Thai. Prices didn't seem much cheaper than the Farang oriented red-light districts. So that begs the question, where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1725075]As I'm preparing for my first trip to Thailand, I've watched hundreds of videos for BKK and Pattaya and was surprised to notice most of the clientele are farang rather than Thai men. Is it because Thai men can't afford to pick up girls at the beer gardens and clubs? Do they hobby in different parts of Thailand with 'white skin' Thai girls?



It would be a real loss to the BKK section losing 2 veterans like yourselves.

Syzy, you're welcome to join me in the Pattaya part of my trip. Maybe a change of scenery will help you recharge your juices.[/QUOTE]Good question regarding clientele being farang rather than Thai men. The middle class Thai men I know would never go to the tourist spots to pick-up Thai girls. They feel these areas, e.g. , Pattaya, Nana, Soi Cowboy, etc. is low class and it is for the sex tourist. Also, middle class Thai men, and rich Thai men, feel these girls in the tourist areas are of low class, not that pretty, are worn and used sexually by foreigners from all over the world. In addition, most of these girls in Soi Cowboy, Nana, etc. have babies, been married, dark skinned, etc. Simply stated, most of them are not young and fresh. For Western men, we find these girls pretty and they make us horny. This is understandable considering Western men come from countries where fat old women are in charge and there are no sexual outlets. The old hookers in America, for example, will charge $300 to $500 for an hour of sex in an area near Vegas. No wonder Western men come to Thailand and are happy with the leftovers that Thai men do not want.

The question then becomes, where do Thai men go for sex? First, it is important to note that Thai bars, Pattaya, Nana, etc. , were created for the service men during the Vietnam war. It was never intended for Thai men. After the Vietnam war ended, or as the Vietnamese call it "the American War" the bars that were left behind started to attract tourist with encouragement from the Thai government. It is a fact that the selling of sex in Thailand brings in tons of tax money for the Thai government. Simply stated, middle class and rich Thai men go to Thai brothels, KTVs and middle and upper class Thai massage parlors. The MP was created for Thai government officials, middle class and rich business Thai men, and the Thai police. I am not talking about Nataree, that is a MP for tourist. I am referring to the countless MP in Bangkok and around Thailand that most tourist never go to or do not know it exist. For example, at Gianza MP in Korat, in the parking lot are lots of nice SUVs and BMWs, and other nice cars. Clearly, these are not tourist.

Regarding skin color. Sad but true Thai men like the white skinned Thai girls. Not the brown skinned Thai girls. Thai men have this outdated idea that brown skin means the family comes from a poor farm and they work in the sun all day. In addition to being uneducated. The Bangkok sex trade and Pattaya, or any of the many other outlets for tourist will be dark skinned girls from Issan. Thus, another reason Thai men will not visit them. The Thai MP have a wide selection of white skinned Thai girls and other girls from other countries close to Thailand, e. G. , Laos. Thai men like the MP that provides a nice setting, tall white skinned girls, restaurants, high end bar, entertainment, etc. For middle class and rich Thai men, it is not just about the sex, it is also about the sexual service provide and the surroundings. And middle class and rich Thai men will happily pay for these services. Some models at the MP will cost 5,000 to 10,000 baht for just one hour. In addition, they will pay pay for drinks, dinner at these MP and often upgrade the MP room to a suite. They spend more in one night, then most Thais make in a month. In these MP, you will not almost never see farangs. But the ones in Issan I have been to, will charge me the same price as they charge Thai men. Non of this BS that some MP in Bangkok will charge Western men more then they charge Thai or Asian men.

If a Thai girl is tall, white skinned, between 16 and 19, and pretty, she will not even think of working in Pattaya or the many other tourist spots. She will opt for the high end MP where she can make lots more money. Likewise, if a Thai girl is just ok looking, brown skinned, and somewhat short, she will not even think of applying to a high end MP visited my Thai men. She knows that she will never be hired. She will opt to work in Bangkok, Pattaya, or any of the other tourist hot spots for selling sex in Thailand for sex tourist. The Thai women learn from a young age where they fit into Thai society. Oh, you may have noticed I stated the age 16. The ages of 16 and 17 are not available to farangs at MP. But it is certainly available to Thai men, mostly outside of Bangkok in rural regions of Thailand....to Thai men who are willing to pay the higher price. Before you become upset at this, some of the girls in MP at 16 or 17 years of age are put there by their family to pay off debt or to get needed money for food, medical expenses. I only stated this because this is the reality of Thailand. I think it is terrible, but it is..... what it is.

The good news is, there are tons of brown skinned Thai girls in Issan that are young, cute, fresh, and not have been jaded by Bangkok, Pattaya, C. Mai, or the many other tourist hot spots. To Western men, these young brown skinned Thai girls are very cute and pretty. That leaves a ton of opportunities for Western men in places like Issan. So enjoy pattaya and Bangkok, I did when I was young. But when you get tried of it, and you will, know that Thailand offers many other options.

As one Thai businessman told me, Thai women love to suck dick. That fact is, in the Thai culture, sex is something that is enjoyed and needed by both Thai men and Thai women. The Thai girlfriends I have had over the years actual enjoyed sex (these were not hookers, but regular educated Thai girls) compared to the Chinese and Vietnamese girlfriends that I had, that used sex to get what they needed financially. I think I will choose Thailand to retire, because of the Thai women and the many outlets and options for sex with horny Thai women of all shapes, sizes, and ages (over 18 of course). Enjoy!

[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1725133]So that begs the question, where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers.[/QUOTE]Chinatown and may be Lumphini park on after bonus pay.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1725193]So that begs the question, where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers. Chinatown and may be Lumphini park on after bonus pay.[/QUOTE]I have seen the brothels where low income Thai men go (e. G. , truck drivers, construction works, Thai regular Joe, etc.), and you would not want to go there. The women are old, worn, and they have sex with several men a day in local spots. It is not clean, but it is cheap. But forget about service, you have about 30 minutes to shot your load. Also, Thai men of low income know women that sell it on the side. For example, the aging mom with no husband and kids to feed, etc. Worst, many of these Thai men do not like to use condom. Basically, these women are the bottom of the sex barrel. Thai truck drivers, construction works do not make much money, are not very clean, drink a lot, etc. I am not putting them down, I am just stating facts. Thus, these guys are not looking for nor can they afford clean sex workers. My advice, avoid this option. It may seem like a cheaper option, but it is more trouble. Stick with the normal sex tourist areas of Nana, Soi Cowboy, Pattaya, etc. And just be willing to pay the higher price (compared to Thai regular Joe). However, it is your money and your choice and I have no right to tell you what to do with it.....I only offer friendly advice.

[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1725133]where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers.[/QUOTE]I believe I can answer that question with some authority.

One major area for streetwalkers is Khlong Lot, several blocks south of Rachadamnoen Nok road right south of Khao San road. Prices there are 300-600 (or as low as 200 for the really decrepit and old ones). Some of these women look ok, but mileage is quite high, 5-10 customers per for many years. Service is bad, especially with better looking ones. Three major ST hotels in the area (hotel 39 being the main one), plus a 30 baht shack for those who can't afford the 100 baht ST hotel fee.

Another area is Yaowarat (Chinatown), mostly along Wong Wian 22 (the traffic circle), and a few adjoining streets to the south. Prices are a tad higher, 400-800 I think, and quality is a bit better, although service is more rushed and unfriendly (if that is even possible).

Slightly more upmarket is an area near former State Cinema near Imperial mall close to Samut Prakan ( 2 km south of BTS Bearing along Sukhumwit). Karaokes, 700 baht per pop, or so I heard there, but never tried it.

There is also an occasional streetwalker near Wong Wian Yai traffic circle, but that is sparse. Some low-end karaokes / massages also in the area, I don't know much about those.

Most women in the low-end zones are accessible to Farang (it's good if you speak minimal Thai). Hookers there are not a squeamish lot, but not for a squeamish customer either.

Streetwalkers around Lumphini and Phahon Yothin are not that cheap (from a low-class Somchai perspective), 1000 baht per pop.

I have read many posts in Thailand forum alluding to the fact that some well endowed or very well service providers are often snared by rich men from across the world and taken off the grid.

But how is this supposed to work? The rich guys are tourists or business men after all, they visit Thailand couple of times a year at the most. So what is the point of paying large sum of money to someone year round hoping to spend a few nights with her? Why not sample the variety with much less cost and possibly headaches?

Can someone with any first hand knowledge of the scene please enlighten me?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1725245]I believe I can answer that question with some authority.

One major area for streetwalkers is Khlong Lot, several blocks south of Rachadamnoen Nok road right south of Khao San road. Prices there are 300-600 (or as low as 200 for the really decrepit and old ones). Some of these women look ok, but mileage is quite high, 5-10 customers per for many years. Service is bad, especially with better looking ones. Three major ST hotels in the area (hotel 39 being the main one), plus a 30 baht shack for those who can't afford the 100 baht ST hotel fee.[/QUOTE]One of my favorites places for mongering since 15 years, fully agree with your accurate purposes Croc excepted about hotels. In 15 years I was never able to entered in 39 hotel,other is Palace (140 baths with A / see a real love hotel,) who hardly accepted farang (mostly depend if the guys knows the girl), for the moment.

Then Smile guest house accepted farang for 100 baths the room. Room are not well maintained but you get clean towel. Yesterday night a farang wanker make trouble at smile GH because the girl doesn't want to BJ him, so he doesn't to paid the price required by the girl. There is another Chinese hotel but farang are not accepted.

Then like you said you have wood shack houses near the 7/11. It s not now 50 baths with condom include. But no real bathroom, no towels, no soap, just a fan. Really dirty place and those working around these place are the lower quality.

Speaking Thai is a big plus, for avoid the misunderstanding.

Price is like you said from 200 to 500+ room.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1725245]Another area is Yaowarat (Chinatown), mostly along Wong Wian 22 (the traffic circle), and a few adjoining streets to the south. Prices are a tad higher, 400-800 I think, and quality is a bit better, although service is more rushed and unfriendly (if that is even possible).

Most women in the low-end zones are accessible to Farang (it's good if you speak minimal Thai). Hookers there are not a squeamish lot, but not for a squeamish customer either.[/QUOTE]In Chinatown some days you have big choice of girls others days the selection is slim. For the moment I cannot see the Chinese girls. Ever their headquarter remained empty. Rooms condition is like Khlong lot.

At Undercoverh you should know that Chinatown and Khlong lot got also big bunch of part time girls. I mean some girls having a regular job but coming just one day (often during their day off) or couple hours for extra cash. But if you re not a regular with these places your chance to recognized them are slim. These girls are better than any professionals and will never cost you more than 500 baths.

Venturing into local places is another experience. The kind of local place you will find all over Thailand. Because forget about bar, parlor if you go to the countryside.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1725075]As I'm preparing for my first trip to Thailand, I've watched hundreds of videos for BKK and Pattaya and was surprised to notice most of the clientele are farang rather than Thai men. Is it because Thai men can't afford to pick up girls at the beer gardens and clubs? Do they hobby in different parts of Thailand with 'white skin' Thai girls?

Syzy, you're welcome to join me in the Pattaya part of my trip. Maybe a change of scenery will help you recharge your juices.[/QUOTE]Thai men certainly go to Soapy Massage parlours and also Thai oriented Oilies, and various clubs. I am bored with the soapies that Thai men go to somewhat. They do have a different taste.

I would say Thai men like a whiter skin, more voluptuous (even a bit of flab) where I like slimmer, they are no so happy with very small tits but take silicones, they like the fake noses, they are much more happy to take a chinese style of look (rounder flatter faces).

I have been to the Thai gogo joints in Saphan Kwai. Most of the girls there were nothing that special to my taste. The odd very good looker. The problem there is it does not really get started till 11 PM. I am a guy who like to operate in an earlier time period. Also they don't really do complete nudity but do wear see though underwear. Can be a bit cheaper than Farang oriented gogos if want to sit with girls for long periods. Most girls won't have good English. No problem if you happen to speak Thai.

Like Thai men, I don't go to beer gardens. The line up is too small, and chances of finding a stunner to my taste is very low. Older girls fatter girls, uglier girls, etc.

I am not likely to go to Pattaya while so stuck on one girl here.

[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1725133]I don't know the details, but it involved mostly dummy accounts on FB, other social sites, and online dating sites. It's not like they can stand outside the Asoke MRT station asking random individuals if they've been with a LB.

I believe you're referring to the Saphan Khwai area? I've been one time and it's not worth going unless you speak Thai. Prices didn't seem much cheaper than the Farang oriented red-light districts. So that begs the question, where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers.[/QUOTE]As to the LB study, it is precisely because you cannot ask random individuals whether they have been with a LB, and even more difficult to randomly sample different nationalities for comparisons (there will be cultural differences in their willingness to admit to this behavior, for example) that I am skeptical about the accuracy of the study earlier reported.

And yes it was the Saphan Khwai area that I visited, and I agree it is not worth going unless you speak Thai. But if I recall, there were quite a few Thai customers there and while they did not on average look poor, neither did they for the most part look rich.

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One girl highly tattooed and wearing a bra but no panties, had an unusual shaped face. Reminded me of a LB, even though she wasn't. Strange jaw. Yet guys called her over for a drink very quickly. No accounting for different taste. Definitely not pretty for my taste and very small tits covered (who knows what they would look like).
[/QUOTE]Someone asked about the girl with heavily tattooed ass at Crazy House recently. She is No. 84. Tan skin, large hoop earrings and long jet black hair. I can't say if any good. Very different looks like hers appeals to some. No accounting for taste. Not very cute to me with not particularly feminine face. Very pronounce jaw and chin. I believe she covers tits because they are saggy.

However not the worst looking girl in the bar. Some girls ugly for me are very popular, probably due to more wayward exhibitionist behaviour.

Meanwhile another girl with quite a few tats but none on ass, has a very hot slim figure. Short straight hair not even to shoulder. High firm small tits. Name is kradtaen (sounds like gut-dan). Forget the number. Her face is a little sharp but her overall look is a bit like singer Rhianna, and very sexy. I could consider taking this girl, especially for doggy as her ass is really hot. Slim legs. She recently returned from a two month break.

Meanwhile there are some really cute looking girls. May Lee 49 or tall slim Naam (maybe no. 64? Number 4, number 68 etc. Haven't actually discovered names of all of them.

I have just booked a birthday date with this girl for Friday but something does not feel right about her. Can anyone vouch for her? Has anyone else seen her before? Bar fined her? I found her on we chat but I suspect she is also working at a Bangkok Go go. Any help would be much appreciated. I don't want to waste the 10,000 I offered her for the night if she is not legit, or an awful experience. Please PM with any details.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1725514]I have just booked a birthday date with this girl for Friday but something does not feel right about her. Can anyone vouch for her? Has anyone else seen her before? Bar fined her? I found her on we chat but I suspect she is also working at a Bangkok Go go. Any help would be much appreciated. I don't want to waste the 10,000 I offered her for the night if she is not legit, or an awful experience. Please PM with any details.[/QUOTE]10,000? Why so much?