Angeles City

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2987017]Yes, I've barfined a catwalk model from XS, a black tape dancer from Avalon (pic below), absolute sweethearts from Hi Quality, Viking and QBar, and a 'model' from Genesis in the last year alone. In fact I genuinely couldn't tell you which bars are Korean and which aren't. I just go in to whichever bar I like. The girls are always happy to sit with me and virtually all are available for barfine.

The idea that Western men don't stand a chance in Korean bars is just a myth that Napa repeatedly tries to push, to discourage people from visiting.[/QUOTE]That's great bro! It's crazy that someone would convey to others that these places are racist towards Westerners and they can't bar fine at Korean establishments. That definitely is a broad generalization and it seems that there is a distain towards them along with an agenda.

In the West rpg characters all look like rough, rugged men; even the women.

In the East rps characters all look like women with delicate features; even the men.

That being said, mostly women are still attracted to facial hair.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2986137]You do hear some guy saying that some of the girls in the Korean bars won't go with Westerners. But that's assuming that if you are Westerner and you go to Korean bar and you get turned down that's solely because you are a Westerner. It's just as possible that it's due to other reasons not related to being a Westerner. You are too old, unattractive, too fat, smelly, dress like a slob or all of the above. I was talking to a very attractive girl in a Korean bar and she was telling me that if you buy her a ladies drink and your hands are over her, she won't go out with you. So if you are Westerner and you do this then she turns you down, it's not because you're a Westerner, it's because of your behavior.

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Now I'm eating some delicious garlic chicken at the Kenny Rogers Roasters at the SM Mall now. My trip is almost over and I generally enjoyed my month's stay here. Good place to visit but not necessarily a great place to retire.[/QUOTE]Ha! I saw that Kenny Rogers Roasters in the mall too! I thought that chain closed down long ago. Back in the 1980's! I never thought I would see one again. I had a lunch there too, just for old times sake.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2987042]It's much simpler than that, they are brainwashed by all the k-pop and simplistic korean soap opera made specially for viewing it the phone vertical format, that flooded SEA in the past 10 years, therefore the koreans are the symbol of success in their minds, and all dream of having a boyfriend that look like a girl. This is happening allover SEA not only PH.[/QUOTE]This is the way old guys think, the way men used to look back in the old. Well, this is now the year 2025 and many young women have a different standard on what they are looking for. This is not only in the East but also in the West. Look at Timothee Charlamet and Harry Styles. They are not your typical stereotyped macho guys but they are very appealing to young women. This look has very little to due to masculinity but old guys still have an old fashioned way of thinking.

If you are a fan of Korea tv shows and movies, you will see the wide diversity of male actors who look very different from Kpop stars such as Mo Dong Seok, Ha Jong Woo and Kim Woo Bin. These actors are also very appealing to young women.

I am no longer in Angeles City but in Thailand so I will probably be much less active on this thread from this point on.

Have fun in Angeles City!

[QUOTE=Manny51;2987201]Ha! I saw that Kenny Rogers Roasters in the mall too! I thought that chain closed down long ago. Back in the 1980's! I never thought I would see one again. I had a lunch there too, just for old times sake.[/QUOTE]The is a Kenney Roger's Roasters on Makati Ave just a few meters off Burgos St. Been there since at least a decade. Also several more in Makati. They be a-happenin' place. Try the Hungarian Sausage.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2987067]So true and not just Koreans. Thai dramas are the same. Half the characters are gay and all the men look so feminine, not a strand of face or body hair and they wear make up too. Its the new standard of male beauty in all of Asia. Come along hairy foreigners that actually look like men and the girls are like, nah, no thanks. Sad but true.[/QUOTE]A lot of (male) east Asiians don't have fatual hair but a lot do. Don't mistake them for pussies. Many of the Koreans are ex military as conscription is compulsory. Also, many of them are petty and not so petty criminals and bad boys have their attractions for bad girls.

Also, Koreans have a well earned reputation for being tough eggs. They were the only group the Vietcong were actually afraid of because they don't FK around. Also, one can remember their Neighbour Watch system in the LA radio. Walkie talkies, Glocks and sub machine guns.

There are plenty of petty Korean criminals hired in Angeles and, as they run the pachinko rackets in Japan, I am sure there is lots of traffic there.

Hi Guys,

So today I've just done the grand slam of mongering spots and have come to the conclusion, that whatever takes your fancy, so be it.

Okay, Angeles isn't my preferred option and never really has been for reasons previously posted. But what's to stop other people liking and enjoying it for what it is?

Angeles, Burgos, Sabang and Subic will always have their pros and cons.

You only have to take the recent, really informative reports from Lance to suggest that some guys really get a kick out of the place. Others don't, so you just move on to better pastures.

As for the Koreans, it's called change. They cleverly tapped a market that had been neglected by Westerners and have done it very successfully. Whether it's legit with local authorities, I very much doubt. But it is what it is.

I'm now sitting the Subic Freeport Zone where 20 plus years ago on my first visit to The Phils, you only had to walk out the door to get laid.

Times change.

Yes, I'm a Cheap Charlie, primarily because I'd like to think the money goes directly to the girls providing the service and I reward them appropriately for services provided. And they're not being exploited by some dodgy bar owners.

Put simply, this is a great informative community where others can offer and give advice on their experiences.

It's just starting to get a bit confrontational of late, which is a shame.

Just enjoy the Filipina.

And just my opinion _ Phil.

Hello guys!

So, here is my report from my two visits this week to AC.

Please notice that it was my first time in AC.

First visit:

As a shy guy, I wasn't comfortable to go on a go-go bar directly, so I started to hit the street going down on fields avenue. Of course, I was approached by several ladies but they weren't my type (cute faces but too slim / skinny).

At some point, I met someone whom I can refer as a " contractor wing-woman" because she offers me to find some fine company.

Indeed, it was fine looking young women but I wanted something really specific (brown, short, curvy or chubby) so I had to decline several options. I al also declined when I found the girl a little bit reluctant to join my room (I usually go for the GFE + bareback combo) and one girl wasn't ok to go with me.

Finally, and when my partner was considering giving up on me, we found a cute girl next door type talent, early 20's with some curves and for 3 K + 500 for the middle-woman I was set up for a ride. This one was nice, but we both weren't comfortable so ST was really short and she left me after FS and a little talk in my room.

Second visit:

This time I was more confident and felt ready for the bar. Starting with " Doll House " , I was disappointed by the overall look of the performers and their lack of ability to pole dance (I attended strip club in Prague and the dancing level was night and day different).

Then, I went to Xs where the show was of better quality, with a lot of actual lookers on the scene. I didn't have to wait a long time before mamasan bring me a 6-7 with curves for 5 k barfine. There was also blactape girl for 6 k.

I had to phone call a friend, so I quitted the bar for 1 hour. I shouldn't have do that.

Back in the club, the mamasan said that now I have to choose quick because the bar is closing. But every beauty I wished to pick up came with a good excuse to refuse: " too big the* " too late ", " don't like " (for the record, I'm a nearly 6 ft tall late 20's male, not fat, not bald, well groomed except for my rebel curly hair). She even talked about giving 100 k for a supposedly " cherry girl " - whom she didn't seem to be aware of her virginity before I ask her to pick this girl for me.

At closure time, these girls remained without customers. Or did they?

Koreans customers this night leaved the venue with some good looking chicks, but the Xs' top beauties didn't follow them.

So yeah, I don't remember who, but someone here who says top ladies only make money with LD is probably right.

In my case, I wasn't interested by the 3 more chicks the mamasan bring me (not my body type or doesn't want bareback), so I left the bar and headed on " Shooters ".

" Shooters " was like " Doll house " in matter of girl " good-lookingness ". But I was attracted inside by the " front-woman" (the one who is outside the bar, distributing "handsome " to every man like one distribute seeds to birds) with her cute smile.

After sadly looking for a target during 1 hour, I finally found the " front-woman" really appealing and so I made her my target. She was mid-30's, slim but with a pretty face and a killer smile.

She was reluctant to go without condom first, but I finally convinced her to go at my hotel for 5 k (no barfine, she went directly to my place) and she spent a few hours with me after a good FS (she wasn't shy like the previous girl). She made me test some philipino food she cooked.

Next morning, I tipped her 2 k, maybe it was too much (no violence please, I'm a newbie).

To conclure this report, I can say this first time in AC ended well for me. But, as a guy facing low self-esteem issue, being rejected by go-go girls when you are an average but young guy is something that shake my ego a little. I may understand this is a strategy of earning with tips + LD and they may rarely follow a customer to his room unless he pay a huge amount of money. Still, I felt like a sh*t when leaving " Xs".

Maybe I was also too picky and should I have accepted the first girl in Xs.

Also, what are all these girls wandering on walking street but refusing many of foreigners proposal? Are they waiting for someone specific?

If you made it so far, thanks.

P.S: sorry for my bad English.

PS2: I don't like to play this card, but is it possible I've been rejected cause I don't look conventionally white?

[QUOTE=Kheyneral;2987744]

To conclure this report, I can say this first time in AC ended well for me. But, as a guy facing low self-esteem issue, being rejected by go-go girls when you are an average but young guy is something that shake my ego a little. I may understand this is a strategy of earning with tips + LD and they may rarely follow a customer to his room unless he pay a huge amount of money. Still, I felt like a sh*t when leaving " Xs".

Maybe I was also too picky and should I have accepted the first girl in Xs.

Also, what are all these girls wandering on walking street but refusing many of foreigners proposal? Are they waiting for someone specific?

If you made it so far, thanks.

P.S: sorry for my bad English.

PS2: I don't like to play this card, but is it possible I've been rejected cause I don't look conventionally white?[/QUOTE]Don't take the rejection personally. More and more girls are now making enough money off drinks and tips that they don't even have to barfine. It's unfortunate but it's getting more and more common.

Girls walking the streets could be anything. They aren't all hookers available immediately upon meeting them. They might be freelancers, girls returning to the bar from an earlier client, promo girls trying to draw guys in to bars, massage girls, beggars or simply civilians using walking street as a safe and well lit shortcut to get where they want to go.

Your English is fine. It's always good to hear reports from different points of view.

If you have brown skin that may have been a minor obstacle. Being reserved and not knowing what you were doing it's more likely that you came across as someone who wasn't going to spend a lot of money.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Kheyneral;2987744]Hello guys!

So, here is my report from my two visits this week to AC.

Please notice that it was my first time in AC.

First visit:

As a shy guy, I wasn't comfortable to go on a go-go bar directly, so I started to hit the street going down on fields avenue. Of course, I was approached by several ladies but they weren't my type (cute faces but too slim / skinny).

At some point, I met someone whom I can refer as a " contractor wing-woman" because she offers me to find some fine company.

Indeed, it was fine looking young women but I wanted something really specific (brown, short, curvy or chubby) so I had to decline several options. I al also declined when I found the girl a little bit reluctant to join my room (I usually go for the GFE + bareback combo) and one girl wasn't ok to go with me.

Finally, and when my partner was considering giving up on me, we found a cute girl next door type talent, early 20's with some curves and for 3 K + 500 for the middle-woman I was set up for a ride. This one was nice, but we both weren't comfortable so ST was really short and she left me after FS and a little talk in my room.

Second visit:

This time I was more confident and felt ready for the bar. Starting with " Doll House " , I was disappointed by the overall look of the performers and their lack of ability to pole dance (I attended strip club in Prague and the dancing level was night and day different).

Then, I went to Xs where the show was of better quality, with a lot of actual lookers on the scene. I didn't have to wait a long time before mamasan bring me a 6-7 with curves for 5 k barfine. There was also blactape girl for 6 k.

I had to phone call a friend, so I quitted the bar for 1 hour. I shouldn't have do that.

Back in the club, the mamasan said that now I have to choose quick because the bar is closing. But every beauty I wished to pick up came with a good excuse to refuse: " too big the* " too late ", " don't like " (for the record, I'm a nearly 6 ft tall late 20's male, not fat, not bald, well groomed except for my rebel curly hair). She even talked about giving 100 k for a supposedly " cherry girl " - whom she didn't seem to be aware of her virginity before I ask her to pick this girl for me.

At closure time, these girls remained without customers. Or did they?

Koreans customers this night leaved the venue with some good looking chicks, but the Xs' top beauties didn't follow them.

So yeah, I don't remember who, but someone here who says top ladies only make money with LD is probably right.

In my case, I wasn't interested by the 3 more chicks the mamasan bring me (not my body type or doesn't want bareback), so I left the bar and headed on " Shooters ".

" Shooters " was like " Doll house " in matter of girl " good-lookingness ". But I was attracted inside by the " front-woman" (the one who is outside the bar, distributing "handsome " to every man like one distribute seeds to birds) with her cute smile.

After sadly looking for a target during 1 hour, I finally found the " front-woman" really appealing and so I made her my target. She was mid-30's, slim but with a pretty face and a killer smile.

She was reluctant to go without condom first, but I finally convinced her to go at my hotel for 5 k (no barfine, she went directly to my place) and she spent a few hours with me after a good FS (she wasn't shy like the previous girl). She made me test some philipino food she cooked.

Next morning, I tipped her 2 k, maybe it was too much (no violence please, I'm a newbie).

To conclure this report, I can say this first time in AC ended well for me. But, as a guy facing low self-esteem issue, being rejected by go-go girls when you are an average but young guy is something that shake my ego a little. I may understand this is a strategy of earning with tips + LD and they may rarely follow a customer to his room unless he pay a huge amount of money. Still, I felt like a sh*t when leaving " Xs".

Maybe I was also too picky and should I have accepted the first girl in Xs.

Also, what are all these girls wandering on walking street but refusing many of foreigners proposal? Are they waiting for someone specific?

If you made it so far, thanks.

P.S: sorry for my bad English.

PS2: I don't like to play this card, but is it possible I've been rejected cause I don't look conventionally white?[/QUOTE]This is just my opinion, so take it how you will.

I remember being in a similar position to you, once upon a time. The truth is that if you want to play this game, you can't let rejection slow you down. Everybody gets rejected. Even the most handsome, intelligent, charismatic, and rich get rejected. It may very well be that a girl has had only one experience with a foreigner, and it was a bad one. It could be that she's only heard stories. It could be that she has some stupid idea of how some rich old man is going to sweep her off her feet. Whatever the truth is, you will never know. She's not going to tell you. And the longer you dwell on it, the longer you are going to be kept from finding someone else and being happy.

The above advice is true if you're looking for love, dates, casual sex, or to procure the services of a lovely young lady for a price.

And don't get me started on bitches playing games. In a place like the Phils, girls will rob you blind and steal your organs. . . If you let them. They are snakes, and you are a mongoose. Keep your wits about you, and stay one step ahead of them. That's the game.

I'm in Cambodia right now, and the same is true here: westerners passing by the bars don't get any reaction from the little zombies glued to the phones, but as soon as a Korean passes by, is like fans at a sports game doing the "wave" thing: bar after bar where they are passing by are welcoming them with loud yells and hand motions, I bet that if I'm filming it, then speed it up it will look just like that.

Fun to watch.

Prices here are way lower than PH at the first glance, 90% of BG are 8-10's, but you'll end up paying the same or more than in PH and getting a rushed shitty service despite the good looks, and nobody speaks English or understands any attempt of communicating thru signs or translator apps, I'm suspecting most of them are illiterate in their own language. I'm going to write a more detailed report in the Phnom Phen thread, because that's dead, and needs some new info.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;2988377]..but you'll end up paying the same or more than in PH and getting a rushed shitty service despite the good looks, and nobody speaks english or understands any attempt of communicating thru signs or translator apps, I'm suspecting most of them are illiterate in their own language.[/QUOTE]They may not even be Cambodian. Khmer, Lao, Thai and occasionally Viet girls seem to float between the countries without too many issues.

It's very very rare to see a girl in a Philippines bar who isn't Pinay. I don't think I've even come across any foreign girls freelancing or online either?

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2988406]They may not even be Cambodian. Khmer, Lao, Thai and occasionally Viet girls seem to float between the countries without too many issues.

It's very very rare to see a girl in a Philippines bar who isn't Pinay. I don't think I've even come across any foreign girls freelancing or online either?

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I don't know what they are, possible they are from the neighboring countries, but compared to PH is a very poor service, almost a ripoff, even if they look better.

Also the massage parlors are a trap, where they go thru your pockets, and replace whatever you have with fake money, a very elaborate scam, like I saw once in an old movie.

[QUOTE=KenjiYoshioka;2988164]And don't get me started on bitches playing games. In a place like the Phils, girls will rob you blind and steal your organs. . . If you let them. They are snakes, and you are a mongoose. Keep your wits about you, and stay one step ahead of them. That's the game.[/QUOTE]Awesome summation Kenji.

Ultimately it is a game and the wins can be very enjoyable indeed! Some of the losses are hard to take, but you just move on to the next round.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=KenjiYoshioka;2988164]This is just my opinion, so take it how you will.

I remember being in a similar position to you, once upon a time. The truth is that if you want to play this game, you can't let rejection slow you down. Everybody gets rejected. Even the most handsome, intelligent, charismatic, and rich get rejected. It may very well be that a girl has had only one experience with a foreigner, and it was a bad one. It could be that she's only heard stories. It could be that she has some stupid idea of how some rich old man is going to sweep her off her feet. Whatever the truth is, you will never know. She's not going to tell you. And the longer you dwell on it, the longer you are going to be kept from finding someone else and being happy.

The above advice is true if you're looking for love, dates, casual sex, or to procure the services of a lovely young lady for a price.

And don't get me started on bitches playing games. In a place like the Phils, girls will rob you blind and steal your organs. . . If you let them. They are snakes, and you are a mongoose. Keep your wits about you, and stay one step ahead of them. That's the game.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2987920]Don't take the rejection personally. More and more girls are now making enough money off drinks and tips that they don't even have to barfine. It's unfortunate but it's getting more and more common.

Girls walking the streets could be anything. They aren't all hookers available immediately upon meeting them. They might be freelancers, girls returning to the bar from an earlier client, promo girls trying to draw guys in to bars, massage girls, beggars or simply civilians using walking street as a safe and well lit shortcut to get where they want to go.

Your English is fine. It's always good to hear reports from different points of view.

If you have brown skin that may have been a minor obstacle. Being reserved and not knowing what you were doing it's more likely that you came across as someone who wasn't going to spend a lot of money.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your wisdom guys.

You are right, there are several reasons to explain why they rejected me other than being unattractive, so I should not focus on it.

About Koreans, I asked the " Shooters " girl about them. She said girl love them because of the " 3-3-3 " : at least 3 lady drink, 3 hours short time and 3 min of FS. No Wonder if they are all waving them as soon as they spot one in a street corner.