Not A Difficult COVID Choice
For over 200 years, doctors, nurses, hospital workers all over the world have been scrubbing their hands and arms, wearing masks, gloves, sterilized garments ect to minimize catching or spreading infection.
Why are we now doubting these basic hygiene measures?
The ease of transmission and high risks of CoVid infection, with lots of unknown long-term effects, pain, death, high costs of hospitalization to everyone in the world, dictates that everyone must do everything using all means they can at individual level to contain its spread.
Wombat is right. It's not a difficult choice. When in doubt err on the safe side. Mask up, glove on, scrub your hands after picking on bar girls' anus and kittles, pucker up and hope the virus won't' kill you, your bar GFs, friends, family, children.
No Lockdown. Belarus Reports COVID Mortality Rates Similar to Countries W Lockdowns
Quote The outcome is basically the same as similar places where restrictions are imposed. ".
The country of Belarus, which imposed no legal lockdown at all throughout the entire pandemic, has released COVID mortality figures which are broadly in line with other nearby countries which imposed draconian lockdowns.
After authorities in Belarus refused to put their citizens under lockdown, the global media had a collective hissy fit, with one headline declaring, "One leader looks hell-bent on turning COVID-19 into a catastrophe for his country."
However, while managing to avoid all the negative impacts of lockdown, the outcome of Belarus' no lockdown policy is far from a "catastrophe."
Newly released overall death statistics from the start of the pandemic up to March 2021 show that the death rate is similar to neighboring countries such as Latvia, Russia and Ukraine which imposed full lockdowns. Indeed, when compared to Poland, which imposed a particularly harsh lockdown, Belarus' mortality rate in March 2021 was significantly lower. . . Belarus is similar to Sweden, which has suffered fewer than 15,000 COVID deaths despite refusing to impose a lockdown. Figures show that cases and deaths tend to fall in waves whether a lockdown is imposed or not, proving that lockdowns are totally pointless. Quote.
John Paul Watson.
Definitely. Need more vaccinations and more lockdowns! Believe Fauci! Yeah! LOL.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2592248]Respectfully, your 99.5% figure is wrong. You are confusing the percent of vaccinated that have tested positive with the percent of new infections. While it sounds like I am splitting hairs, in fact, those figures tell very different stories.
The 99% figure represents the number of vaccinated that have not tested positive. That number, however, is very misleading. Most breakthrough cases are asymptomatic. So we have no way of knowing the real number because the vast majority of asymptomatic, vaccinated people are not getting tested. And why would they.
As for new infections: that metric is not readily available. The CDC is not providing a lot of hard data, which is curious. But a few weeks ago, they estimated about 35,000 breakthrough positive tests every week. If we take that as fact, over 10% of new infections were breakthrough cases. Two very important considerations:
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99.5 percent of Covid deaths among the unvaccinated
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2592248]Respectfully, your 99.5% figure is wrong. You are confusing the percent of vaccinated that have tested positive with the percent of new infections. While it sounds like I am splitting hairs, in fact, those figures tell very different stories.
The 99% figure represents the number of vaccinated that have not tested positive. That number, however, is very misleading. Most breakthrough cases are asymptomatic. So we have no way of knowing the real number because the vast majority of asymptomatic, vaccinated people are not getting tested. And why would they.
As for new infections: that metric is not readily available. The CDC is not providing a lot of hard data, which is curious. But a few weeks ago, they estimated about 35,000 breakthrough positive tests every week. If we take that as fact, over 10% of new infections were breakthrough cases. Two very important considerations:
1-That 35,000 figure does not represent any asymptomatic cases. Again, when vaxxed and exhibiting no symptoms, they just aren't testing.
2-This is a game changer when you look at it from transmission standpoint.
To your larger point, I agree. People should get vaccinated. It greatly improves their situation should they contract Covid. But I just don't want people to misinterpret the misleading math being pushed. (Pushed by our so called experts, not you, SeaBee).[/QUOTE]
Your right I misquoted, what i meant to say is that 99.5 percent of Covid deaths are among the unvaccinated.
[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/breakthrough-covid-infections-show-the-unvaccinated-are-now-putting-the-vaccinated-at-risk[/URL]
When scientists developed vaccines to slow the spread of the coronavirus pandemic, their vaccine candidates were judged effective based on whether or not people were hospitalized or died after getting immunized.
Even with delta, almost everyone who dies from COVID-19 99.5 percent of known cases are unvaccinated people, along with 97 percent of people hospitalized for the illness. That suggests that the vaccines are still highly effective, said USA Surgeon General and Dr. Vivek Murthy during a recent press briefing.
The CDC is counting vaccinated people who have been hospitalized or died from the coronavirus. Based on data available so far, that very rarely happens.
Seems the numbers have fallen some on vaccine protection against the delta variant, but at least they do protect against hospitalization.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/
The mRNA vaccine from Pfizer (PFE.N) and BioNTech (22UAy.DE) may be less effective than Moderna's against the Delta variant of the coronavirus, according to two reports posted on medRxiv on Sunday ahead of peer review. In a study of more than 50,000 patients in the Mayo Clinic Health System, researchers found the effectiveness of Moderna's vaccine against infection had dropped to 76% in July - when the Delta variant was predominant - from 86% in early 2021. Over the same period, the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine had fallen to 42% from 76%, researchers said. While both vaccines remain effective at preventing COVID hospitalization, a Moderna booster shot may be necessary soon for anyone who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines earlier this year, said Dr. Venky Soundararajan of Massachusetts data analytics company nference, who led the Mayo study.
