SP. Orientation and transport. Newbie experience (non GDP info)
[quote=altobomgosto; 1420031]there are buses leaving rodoviária jabaquara every 15 minutes our less to santos, são vicente, praia grande and guarujá! take the metro blue line and exit at terminal jabaquara. walk to the bus station.
mongering in santos / s. vicente is consistently cheaper than in rio / copacabana. also beaches are much safer and cleaner than in rio. and the bus fare is much cheaper than an air ticked to rio. don't waste your time in rio.
look at the local forum :
[url]http://www.forumsd.com.br/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=135&sid=6692053105ff584957bd2297939e9ea1[/url]
there you will have a good reports of the garotas from the baixada santista.
have fun![/quote]thanks for the info on the santos buses, abg. i'm no sampa expert btw. have probably spent a couple of months in total on various trips in your great city. and i am quite attached to rio and the north (readers will notice the friendly competition between paulistanos and cariocas!). but i wonder if i can add, from my own limited experience, some orientation info for newcomers to sp. you and the locals can correct any mistakes, but it is one hell of a city to get to know, yet pays dividends when you do. yourself and sg have added so much great info on mongering, but basics like getting around i've mostly learnt from paulistano friends there or by myself. so again, humbly, but in case it is helpful to newcomers.
[u]maps and orientation[/u]
i have found it helpful to get a map or two before arriving but don't rely on them too much. not only is sp the biggest city in the southern hemisphere, but many of the attractions and so on are widely spread out in various barrios. a good size map of sp and sp state is helpful for planning weekend trips out of the city.
[i]subway maps (metro) [/i]. for instance, in guide books and even mobile apps are mostly misleading unless you get a current pocket map from someone working on the station for instance. published maps tend to be confusing in listing a variety of [i]planned[/i] metro lines that aren't even built yet but missing the recently constructed yellow line. so get the pocket leaflet map (free) as it tells you what is operational now.
[i]city and barrio maps [/i]. if you go to república, one of the downtown stations, there is a tourist information booth just as you come out of one of the main exits. they stock something the size of a video box that pulls out and gives you individual maps for downtown and the various barrios. also included is a book with all the buses (this is a bit more complex than the rio ruas version, see below). it's a matter of luck whether they have your language in stock, but maps and bus numbers are understandable in any language. it's all free.
[i]getting your bearings[/i]. the main airport is not in sp itself but in guarulhos to the ne of, a separate, adjacent city with the same name as the airport. the area you might call 'downtown' or 'central' is a bit hazy but can roughly be said to include santa cecília, bela vista, liberdade, consolação, república, bom retiro and sé. possibly the most famous street is paulista avenue, that has a sort of times square feel to it, and it is to the south-west of the main downtown area. after using republica to get maps, and maybe a haircut and change money at one of the many cambios in nearby av sao luis, then you might want to head for the headier atmosphere of avenida paulista. it's a long street, full of impressive skyscrapers, world-class art galleries, tourist attractions, and served by three different metro stops along its length. for practical purposes, most of downtown can be divided into the avenida paulista area and everywhere else.
if you are arriving in sao paulo on the cheap and don't want to spring for a taxi, many people arrive via bus to barra funda. this is a major metro, train and bus station combined, with the usual conveniences such as a good cambio.
[i]some barrios[/i]. some personal favourites, apart from the ones that av paulista runs through, that you might enjoy include liberdade, which looks like a familiar bustling chinatown but is more japanese than chinese. for trendy nightlife, vila madalena on the other hand is almost an sp equivalent of rio's lapa, but much bigger and upmarket rather than historic. vila madalena is not particularly close to the metro stop of the same name, and traffic can clog the small roads, but it is worth visiting for the whole evening just for the atmosphere, clubs and cool restaurants.
[i]getting around[/i]. sp has a first class integrated transport system but the city has major problems at rush hour. whatever you are doing, it is better to avoid traveling at rush hour if you can. the metro lines are each identified by a different colour. thinking your way around sp, get to know where each colour goes. for instance, the blue, azul, line, running north-south, includes redway (ana rosa station) , the botanics & zoo which is a nice non-gdp day out (jabaquara station) , liberdade (japanese food, asia atmosphere) , the pinacoteca and some other famous museums and galleries (historic luz station. be very careful in the area at night) , and some major rodoviarias like tiete (enormous, in the north) and jabaquara (south). the green line includes redway (ana rosa) , runs along avenida paulista (brigadeiro, trianon-masp, and consolacao stations) and on to vila madalena.
the metros are integrated with the cptm, the railway company which covers the greater city. if you buy a smartcard (bilhete unico) at the metro station, you can use it on the metro, cptm and buses. there are special booths and machines for topping it up on the main metro stations but as with most things, avoid trying to do it at rush hour. the smartcard also gives you automatic discounts on many multiple journeys taken within the same few hours.
buses operate to their own rather obtuse logic, but are often a preferable way to travel. once you get to know the barrios, look for the destinations signboarded on the front. jot down the numbers of ones you use frequently. there are many small bus companies and it can seem crazy at times. if you are waiting for a bus at a rodoviaria, for instance, locate the stop but be aware of quicker buses arriving and departing at the last minute! if in doubt, ask. locals queuing, as well as bus drivers, are generally very helpful and polite. (at least minimum porto generally needed of course, and good attitude.) they will also make sure you get off at the right stop if you don't know the area. paulistanos generally are very polite and you don't have to be on your guard so much as in rio for people trying to rip you off or overcharge.
taxis are not expensive, but given the large distances you will cover, i feel it is usually best to avoid taking taxis if you can, except for short trips on a night out or in case of desperation.
walking is pretty well unavoidable, so have good shoes and an awareness of how far you will be going. much of sao paulo is ridiculously hilly. many of the hills are small but very steep. the multilevel nature of some of downtown almost reminds me of bladerunner, where the elite zoom around in helicopters or don't stray too far from places like avenida paulista, while the rougher elements go about their less sanitized existence somewhere beneath the flyovers and fast lanes.
planning your day and having a 'plan b' is almost essential. it is to easy to get caught in a downpour in some district where you didn't intend to stay long, then get caught in rush hour, and realising that, unless your own private 'copter can pick you up, arrangements often have to be on a 'probability' basis rather than the efficient be-here-on-time etiquette of the western world.
sao paulo can be an infuriating, frustrating place and i can understand why many experienced travellers in brasil avoid it altogether. it has its own rules, its own laws, its own social mores, and it takes a good while to get to know it. it's not quite a bridge to the lifestyles of the us and europe, but it can make much of brasil (except for belo) look like the dark ages. you can experience a degree of sophistication here that is almost unknown through the rest of the country, and the mongering has an eye on quality and price.
these are all personal views and observations of course, but i hope some readers will find them helpful, especially if you are making the leap and planning to visit for the first time.
Redway with betinho and Nimphus
I drove Betinho, our churrasqueiro " hours concours", and Nimphus to Redway,
I had a revival with Simone and Ninphus went with Tabatha.
Simone, passionate DFK, BBBJ and CIM R$ 120, 00 = one hour plus R$ 40, 00 for the extras.
Lets await Nimphus reports about her. SG was very satisfied with this garota. So did I ! I really woucher for this garota!
Have fun folks!
ABG
Boy. Does this ever sound like a good plan.
[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto; 1420872]Better skip Kilt and do everithing at Redway. The atmosphere is about the same at Redway and is going to cost a fraction of that you're going to spend at Kilt.
Bring your own booze, the beer and the champagne for the garotas and enjoy your stay! The garotas normally love beer and champagne!
And than choose a rose of the garden and ask her do the "work" with you for R$ 120, 00 / one hour.
And if you really enjoyed her, she deserves to be invited to come to your hotel!
Ask Vaní or Takuma for details!
You're going to have lots of fun and wil avoid to pay exorbitant prices on drinks and the garotas.
ABG[/QUOTE]I'm going to have to try this route on my next trip down from New York.
ABG did not also mention the aggravation when you give them email addresses and you start getting the mail that their son is in the hospital with some very expensive diseases state that only can be cured by you sending money down, etc. Quite funny actually.
Best Regards.
Normus Johnson
Bad experience with Ellen
I had a torrid night with my Japanese non-pro lover. Having not totally recovered from my "nuit folle" it was out of question for me to go to a privê or a clinica this evening.
But this morning I bought the latest issue of the Revista Cult. One of my favorite in São Paulo. In this issue there was an article on different new books on translation. I had absolutely to have one of them!
I consulted on the Net several virtual sites such as Saraiva, Submarino, Siciliano, Martins Fontes, Livraria Cultua, FNAC. The book is so new that it is not distributed yet. As I know what to do when I want something, I searched on the Internet the addres of the publishing house of the book. What was my surprise to see that they are located near the Ana Rosa metro station (more precisely they are on Domingo de Morais near Franca Pinto in Vila Mariana. That's just besides the Redway!
I send a message to to publishing house in order to know if I could have the book directly at their office. Half an hour later I received a message telling me that the office would be open until 5hpm and I could fetch the book there. It was difficult to resist going to Redway and see who was working tonight.
I picked up the new book at 4h45 and walked slowly, very slowly to the Redway. I was so absorbed in reading the book while walking that I passed by the Redway when I realized that I stayed at the corner of the street where I was and kept on reading. Five minutes later I heard a car honking. It was ABG and my new friend Nimphus.
While they were parking the car I went Inside the Redway. The new one I've been spooting a couple of days ago was there: the tall (1m75cm) and fabulous Ellen. I immediately asked Takuma if she was available. His answer was affirmative. He asked me to wait for a good room (now he knows that I don't want the shitty rooms in the back of the patio) Ten minutes later a "decent" room was available.
How can I described the session. First of all: Ellen is a very beautifull 28 years old baiana with a body to die for. That's about it. In terms of service it was one of my worst TD ever. I hate when a garota doesn't play the game properly or is not even playfull. The session was boring and when it start like this I loose all interest in the rest of the session.
What are the negative physical points: stretch marks on the body, hard fake boobs, deep voice.
Positive physical points: she's in the 8 range. A very beautifull face, tall and tanned, nice legs, bubbled butt, extra long vaginal lips.
She's shy and for me it is a turn on at the start. She didn't kook control of the session. If you don't ask her do to something she won't do it. DFK? Are you kidding! A kiss with closed lips instead and with no passion. Aargh. Okay, she does BBBJ and maintains eyes contact. But that's about it. I asked her if I could lick her pussy (I was expecting a 69 at least). She said yes but I would have to suck her while she was laying on her side! From that moment on I lost all interest in her. R$80 thru the drain!
I didn't want to fuck her. I let her suck my dick and came (oh, naturally it was NOT a CIM).
My first negative review of the year! Saco cheio!
