Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Bdb013;2688153]Yes, the site requires some hard work, that is a given. It is not cheap either. I usually get on a month and then back off for 3 months or so. It can be exhausting weeding thru all the ones on their. Honestly, I weed thru a lot of girls on SA. Fortunately, I can usually get a vibe of where it is going in the first few messages. If she won't give me her number to text in the first few messages, cull. If they ask for money up front, cull. If they are not interested in meeting in the next few days, cull. If they want to do SC or KIK, cull. It is true that only 10-20% on the site are legit prospects and it is time consuming trying to find them. I often get frustrated but quickly remind myself of the pot at the end of the rainbow. The few really good ones I have found have made it worth the effort for me.[/QUOTE]Great post Bdb! It is better abroad but yes 10-20% is a fair number for the legit prospects in the USA in my experience too.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2688246]I wonder if this is the same looking from the SB side. I think there is a high burnout on girls that join hoping it will be easy money and then get bombarded with dick pics.[/QUOTE]AP, I think it is worse. From what I saw once, the number of legit SDs was in the 2 to 5% range, and that was a while ago. My bet is that it is worse now.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2688480]Always a hotel. Never, ever own home. Have been inside the girl's house a few times but I prefer the first time to be in a hotel. I am a bit paranoid.[/QUOTE]Yeah, when married, I had a hotel run by a Mr. Patel where he would take the cash and not enter me into a data base. You do not get that with the chains. I strayed from that and should not have. He knew what I was up to, but he took my money because I never caused anyone trouble.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2688480]I assume this is a problem for other married folks here as well. Single guys have it easy.[/QUOTE]Yeah, we do, and the stress of cheating takes more of a toll than most married men are willing to admit. I did not know how much weight was on my shoulders until after the divorce.

The best excuse I ever heard was going to the gym and leaving your phone in a locker and going with your burner after that. You can even take a shower after the deed.

But I think wives still know. I came home one time after showering and got all the glitter off. ("Honey, I was not a strip club. I tried making you a card with all that glitter but with that attitude, I am not giving it to you. ") and the ex-wife said you went to a strip club. I asked why she thought that, and she told me it was the only time I was happy.

Maybe some guys can pull it off, but apparently I could not with mine. I think most wives know but will themselves to believe it is not true.

If your wife is making it and bringing an equal or significant amount to the marriage, Pessimist, IMO she is the rare wife who is not a ho. A ho takes money for sex. A pro takes money for sex from many men. There are a lot of wives who are glorified hos, and a lot of SBs who are pros.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2688515]To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?.[/QUOTE]Outside SA for sure. If you mention $ for sex on the site, you will get banned. It is even better to go to WhatsApp or Telegram over simple texting because those sites are encrypted.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2688515]To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?.[/QUOTE]I never mention sex in my chats or messages. It is a huge No No. I do mention a range of allowance I am comfortable with. Some girls understand what is Involved and some others either don't, or pretend not to know, or just want more details. When they ask "what do I have to do for this allowance, or what will we do when we meet" I say let's meet up and figure out. If they still pretend not to understand, I keep quiet and some of them come back and ask to meet and others simply disappear. Either way, I am fine. But I will never put down in texting that sex is expected.

[QUOTE=Pk099;2688515]To all SA experts.

I just joined SA for 3 months.

Always wondered if it is appropriate to be upfront and set expectations about the deed after meet in first message or wait to get contact info and start the conversation outside SA?

What you guys usually do and how the SA girls response in different approaches?

TIA.[/QUOTE]Some girls will ask you on SA. I prefer to do it over text, ask if they're ok with ppm then give an amount. I'd rather know sooner they're expecting $1500 for ppm before wasting my time meeting them. I was recently told by a 38 yo she gets over 1 k a meet. I couldn't believe that but I don't doubt her. She asked me what I had in mind for allowance before we switched to text.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2688156]I appreciate the depth of your reports. And your transparency.

I have to say, I've had a totally different experience than you.

I normally use SA in somewhat poorer countries (Mexico, Greece, Bolivia, etc). And I'm pretty generous with my offers. Usually 300-350 dollars to join for dinner and action afterward. And I'm not too bad looking, though I'm middle aged.

But my experience is quite different. I hit up girls in the 18-25 range. Usually a canned paragraph- I'm coming to your city for work, looking for some cool company, etc. About 50 pct write back, and I suspect it's only that low because I don't have a profile picture up. Then I quickly try to get to offer time so nobody's wasting time. Of those I offer, about 25 pct bite. Those that don't either are expecting more, or want a long term deal, or want date 1 to be no sex, or whatever..[/QUOTE]Thank you! I am not surprised at your success. I even said the same when some European asked for advice in this thread a few months ago. I am convinced girls command the highest prices at comparable quality in the US, which is hardly shocking. Sex is expensive in the US, we all know. I have used SA in W EU (not in Germany where I prefer FKKs) and while I did not use profusely, I still got tremendous service from good looking girls at 200, or slightly more.

I'd say, 3 variables matter. Location, individual chemistry, luck. Like real estate, price / quality / quantity are considerably dependent on location. Individual chemistry is important. A girl might give something to a guy at some price that might not give another guy at the same or even higher price. SA is not prostitution with standardized rates. Finally, luck. Can never underestimate this. I have gotten lucky on SA sometimes, I also was unlucky, and sometimes I knew it while happening and other times, I realized it was luck or misfortune only in hindsight.

But I am quite with you. Especially in the poorer, E EU / see EU locations, I am quite convinced you can get good sex at low prices. SA might or might not be the best site. Language is an issue but there may be other sites through which one could find better deals. A gentleman called Bfsie, posting from Germany 3 years ago said he used a different site as far as I remember. He had been a long time user of sugarbabes and seemed to be having a ball and his prices were really on par with FKK at that time (100 EUro per hour) with quite a few goodies occasionally for free (BBFS, CIM, anal, etc). That was in Germany, so it may be even cheaper in E EU. But one has to know the local sites for that to happen.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2688474]How do you guys handle the logistics like getting a place to do the deed if it is in your hometown? Do you get a hotel room, go the girl's place or bring her back to yours?

Also, would you drive to a neighboring city, perhaps two hours from your hometown, for a ppm? Curious to know how you guys go about arranging this.[/QUOTE]I eventually stopped using hotels in my hometown, because it was getting expensive, I got flaked on so many times and so ended up paying for hotel without using it many times, and using hotels do not make it easy to hide your identity from the gal.

I would never let an SB know where I live. So I would never host.

At first, I traveled to neighboring cities a lot to meet SBs, and that was hit or miss, but mostly miss, and a lot of time wasted.

Eventually, my main criteria for SBs in my hometown was if she could host. If not, then I passed. At first, it was a little scary to enter a stranger's home (what if she had guys there to beat me up and steal my money and take and post pictures of me? And so I would text someone her address just before I entered her place. I would always tell them straight up that I was doing this for my protection, and they all thought this was sensible. But one gal said that I should not worry becuase why would she let anything bad happen since I knew where she lived, and I thought that was a good point. But to be honest, it is rare to find an SB that can host or is willing to host.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2688704]But to be honest, it is rare to find an SB that can host or is willing to host.[/QUOTE]In my town any girl under 30 has not hosted. They are either students or early stage workers in share accom. 30+ divorced or professional established career girls are more confident to host.

FYI on my profile I say that I will host but I never do (I can't). I find that this offer is enough to pass a girls 'sniff' test as to why I would be reluctant to host. So my ostensible offer to host unlocks hosting opportunities.

I paid my premium two weeks ago and yesterday got permanently suspended. The only trigger l can recall is A girl says 5000 peso per appointment and l say something back. So you guys just block that girl in this scenario? Do you guys get the girl WhatsApp or telegram right off the bat and not even small chitchat? I created two unpaid account using random outlook account and both of them got banned within 3 minutes.

Any SA alternative recommend for country like Mexico, Colombia?

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2688679]Some girls will ask you on SA. I prefer to do it over text, ask if they're ok with ppm then give an amount. I'd rather know sooner they're expecting $1500 for ppm before wasting my time meeting them. I was recently told by a 38 yo she gets over 1 k a meet. I couldn't believe that but I don't doubt her. She asked me what I had in mind for allowance before we switched to text.[/QUOTE]One thing a lot of guys don't realize is that discussing PPM arrangements is against the actual written rules of the site. It's considered to be prima facie evidence of an intent to solicit prostitution. That said, lots of people get away with mentioning it on the site (I did for three months), and especially the SBs. But run into the wrong girl who wants to make life difficult for you, and she might try to get you busted and kicked off the site for talking about PPM. I ran into one where I thought that might happen. She was mad that I asked her about PPM, and responded by angrily sending me a message that included a cut and paste of the written site rule prohibiting any mention of PPM arrangements. I just told her that we obviously weren't seeking the same thing, blocked her, then waited to see if I would be banned. After a few days of waiting with nothing happening, I was confident I was in the clear. I would have been pissed if I had gotten banned since I still had a month left on the membership I paid for. So, based on my three-month experience, I would say that you're likely OK to mention PPM arrangements. But as others here have warned, don't go too far beyond that getting into specifics on the site, as that could get you banned. Move to text off of the site to go there.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2688724]I paid my premium two weeks ago and yesterday got permanently suspended. The only trigger l can recall is A girl says 5000 peso per appointment and l say something back. So you guys just block that girl in this scenario? Do you guys get the girl WhatsApp or telegram right off the bat and not even small chitchat? I created two unpaid account using random outlook account and both of them got banned within 3 minutes.

Any SA alternative recommend for country like Mexico, Colombia?

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Never discuss money or sex on SA. Always get their text number and take it offline. I have used Colombian cupid in the past in Colombia. It worked well, but that was several years ago.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2688789]One thing a lot of guys don't realize is that discussing PPM arrangements is against the actual written rules of the site. It's considered to be prima facie evidence of an intent to solicit prostitution. That said, lots of people get away with mentioning it on the site (I did for three months), and especially the SBs. But run into the wrong girl who wants to make life difficult for you, and she might try to get you busted and kicked off the site for talking about PPM. I ran into one where I thought that might happen. She was mad that I asked her about PPM, and responded by angrily sending me a message that included a cut and paste of the written site rule prohibiting any mention of PPM arrangements. I just told her that we obviously weren't seeking the same thing, blocked her, then waited to see if I would be banned. After a few days of waiting with nothing happening, I was confident I was in the clear. I would have been pissed if I had gotten banned since I still had a month left on the membership I paid for. So, based on my three-month experience, I would say that you're likely OK to mention PPM arrangements. But as others here have warned, don't go too far beyond that getting into specifics on the site, as that could get you banned. Move to text off of the site to go there.[/QUOTE]This is accurate.

Definitely not advisable to use PPM in site messages or even offsite.

SA itself has changed. They used to have FWB as one of the "seeking" metrics. They removed it now and replaced with luxury, etc. 4 to 5 years ago, they even had dollar numbers attached to the brackets, such as "less than $2,000 a month, between 2 K to 5 K, more than 10 K etc."

They have become a lot more circumspect now. When they have a golden goose producing so much cashflow, they'd be stupid to jeopardize and risking a shutdown ala backpage etc.

And of course, FwB was synonymous with sex but they removed that also from their tags. You used to be search through girls lists with "white, slim, less than 25, tall, seeking FWB and at $2 K month"; those days are gone.

I was foolish enough to use FWB a few times early on. Then quickly I cut it out. Now I always say "let us meet and get to know each other and spend some no drama stress free time." Eventually they understand my intent. When and if any girl explicitly mentions sex in a message, on SA or off site texting, I normally block her or delete the message and cool it with her for a few weeks.

As for PPM, I get around it by saying "I give weekly allowance and prefer to meet once a week." Of course, if the first meet doesn't go well, there are no follow up meets. They understand that too.

Honestly, I was never concerned about SA kicking me out. Perhaps I was there for so long and became complacent. I am much more careful about LE. No point in saying things in writing that would not look good in a court. Keep it bland, and say whatever you have to say in person, one to one.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2688789]One thing a lot of guys don't realize is that discussing PPM arrangements is against the actual written rules of the site. It's considered to be prima facie evidence of an intent to solicit prostitution. That said, lots of people get away with mentioning it on the site (I did for three months), and especially the SBs. ...[/QUOTE]Last night when chatting with this one girl, I told here in verbatim, Are you interested in an arrangement? We can discuss over text if you are.

She wrote back a whole bunch of text, and then finally mentioned 0 drama, 500 ppm and so on all in one sentence.

I thought for a while this could be a flagged because of the keyword. Not sure if the whole bunch of text that she wrote earlier masked the conversation that the bot had failed to pick that up. I decided to risk it and gave her my number and told her to connect. Anyway, so far so good.

I wonder if both parties could be flagged even though if I never mention anything about a ppm or a figure? I hope the word "arrangement" is not a problematic keyword, otherwise it will be so idiotic. In most cases, I would try to get our conversation off-site as soon as I can by either asking for her number or just giving her mine. My number is a disposable google number anyway.

Just had the SB I posted about earlier over for what turned out to be 43 hours (Thursday afternoon to Saturday morning) of utter debauchery (some, but not enough sleep).

In what world is it possible for me to spend that amount of time with a fit, athletic, beautiful, clever, enthralling combination of innocence and sluttiness, submissive and kinky as fuck 19 year old girl?

She's ruined normal sex for me. And presented me with a problem. I really want to spend the rest of my leave just seeing how far I can push her. And we've gone plenty fat already!