Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1126308]I love Pattaya! I like to go to a nice go-go bar, have a beer, and look at all the naked girls. I also like Angeles.

You definitely have a larger selection of girls in those places.

But all you need is 5. I've never had more than 5 girls in my room.

The price for 4 or 5 girls from Martinis will be similar to 1 girl from a Bangkok go-go bar. [/QUOTE]I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1126123]I went strolling on the waterfront in PP this evening around 8 o'clock.

Looking into the girlie bars: I was not impressed. My Philippime abstinence did not go away.

Details: I was into all of the bars on the first block of street 136. Most of them had only a small selection and few of girs I would call pretty. Also they were way too pushy, high pressure for staying and unwanted attention too, and some seemed annoyed of me just looking inside and then leaving. There were some exceptions though, a few of the bars had some interesting ladies, I think the best one was 69, although my memory may be wrong here. At the time it was happy hour (1 or 2 $) , but that goes only for a few types of drinks. I asked what the bf was: a girl said 7 you$. Question: what more then to pay later at the hotel room? (for one hour? For whole nite?)

On street 104 I looked into some of the bars, even fewer girls here, and even more pressure too stay, but I smiled my ways out. This night I was only researching. There were a few nice girls in the these bars, but it is necessary to take time to look around.

Are there more area for girlie bars than these two blocks? (the first blocks from the river on each of these streets). It seemed that 136 is a bit more upmarket, better and safer than 104. Is this correct? Another question: the girls in these bars are so-called registered, not freelancers? Making them safer? (in several regards.)

Last question: which areas for massage+? Am I right to assume that massage parlours are cheaper, and also lower quality compared to the bars? PS: possible to buy sildenafil otc in Cambodia?

I also asked at Hotel Golden House on 136. Price is 25-50 $. Gf-friendly. (I had to ask 3 times before the receptionist understood my question.).

Thats all, sorry for asking mostly questions, but I will come back with reports when I have something to report (I go to Siem Reap tomorrow, but will be back in PP on a few days). [/QUOTE]Personally I never pay more than $ 20 shorttime/$30 longtime. Of course the girls will start of higher, and who can blame them. How good are your haggling skills? Do note that not all girls will go with customers, some are only there to make some $ from ladydrinks. Best to find out what the deal is asap before to much is spent on drinks.

Apart from the 2 areas you talked about there's St 51, the older mongering area. There you'll find Walkabout (freelancers) , Shanghai Bar / Black Cat (Hostess girls) , Heart of Darkness (freelance disco). Sharkys (freelancers) is on St 130. Martini's (freelancers) is a bit further out of town on St 95. Le Cyrcee, PP's last remaining BJ bar can be found on St 49 just around the corner from Sharkys.

Regarding safety, always wear a hat and lock your valuables away, common sense. In 7 trips I've never had anything stolen.

Apart from the Paris Hotel there's also the Sakura Hotel on St 242. Massage $ 7 an hour. The girls will start at $ 40/50 but you can get them down to $ 20. Quality and performances are ok, don't expect a GFE. These massage places are ok to kill a bit of time on a boring afternoon.

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1126340]I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! [/QUOTE]Rubbish info mate.

I've tried a few 3 somes in PP and have paid 20x2 short time / 30x2 long time, never more than that.

However, the ones that I tried didn't offer me the lesbian experience. I get the feeling Khmer girls are not really into muff diving. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

streets 104 and 136 are similar, best bars are 69, 104, candy, rose.

other bars rep001tered about, st 108 golden vine and two others.

dv8 off riverside with metro on the corner.

black cat on st 51 and that strange bar that shuts at midnight with more cultured hostesses north on 51 before one gets to the russian bvld.

big banana on 136 west of norodom near the st 49 corner which is the lcc street.

lcc is not a blowjob bar, but girls are guaranteed performers.

another bar down st 144.

several bars on st 5, one back from the river as one walks from 136 to 104.

i don't think that phnom penh is a waste of time at all, considerably cheaper than pattaya.

the girls in the go gos there are beautiful and demanding, in pp one does not have to buy lady drinks at all.

and the go go girls are so expensive and i despise those tatoos, why ruin a beautiful body?

most khmer working girls are not real professionals unlike their thai cousins.

i meet guys at the beach all the time who have bought a girl down from pp and the girls are nice and enjoy being out of the bar.

I've had a 3some twice here.

First time paid $20 to each for somewhere between a ST and a LT. Second time paid $10 to each because it was under an hour (they weren't happy with $10).

The girls didn't get into each other at all. It was more like taking turns. One of the girls fell asleep when I was boinking the other one. I put the active girl on top of the sleeping girl and continued, but she still didn't wake up.

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1126340]I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! [/QUOTE]It will be about normal price to get the girls to do the lesbian stuff.

You need to ask the girls to see who will do that stuff. Anywhere with working girls, just ask. You eventually will find some. But I hate to keep on asking. I don't think you will have any luck on St 63.

Best chance will be at Le Crycee. Some people wrote they didn't like the quality. Many are of low quality, but few are decent, IMO.

I've also gotten girls at Martini. It seems many of the Vietnamese won't do it. You need to ask, but the problem is that they don't understand much English, so you may have to use hand gestures. But many should understand if you say "Yum Yum Lady?" I find it embarassing to use hand gestures. Best way if you're shy is to get a girl that you already know, and then let her ask.

[QUOTE=Leftfield1965;1126349]However, the ones that I tried didn't offer me the lesbian experience. I get the feeling Khmer girls are not really into muff diving. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.[/QUOTE]Yes that's correct. But IMO most girls of all nationalities don't like it. They just want the money. LOL!

[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1126340]I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! [/QUOTE]If you are really into that, the best way is to ask the girl to bring along a friend. It worked for me quite well.

[QUOTE=Luludinky;1126690]If you are really into that, the best way is to ask the girl to bring along a friend. It worked for me quite well.[/QUOTE]I did that a few times. The problem is that they usually bring back somebody fat and ugly!

a good website to understand cambodia and its culture is [url]www.talesofasia.com.[/url] his site has mainly good info on cambodia.

transport info:

bayon magazine has good info on transportation, including buses. you can find the free magazine at shakey's.

the khmer bribe for the traffic police is 5000 riel ($1. 25). illegal offenses are driving without helmet, wrong way on street, no license, no tag, and driving with headlights on during the daytime.

not sure what the barang bribe is. a good guess will be $2 or $2. 5. if you get stopped, don't be foolish and pay $5. remember to not get angry, and just smile and talk calmly. getting angry does not help (that dumb asian thing about losing face). does anyone know how easy it is to pay the local bribe amount?

there's sometimes a police trap on street 136; that street is one way. if you drive up from the riverside, that is illegal.

there's also a police trap on the street from golden sands hotel to the beach in sihanoukville; that street is one way. why the hell do they have all those one way streets in sihanoukvile when there is never any traffic; tia!

it seems the main money maker for the traffic police is the checkpoints in the main blvds where they get drivers not wearing helmets. funny: you will see young locals speed away from the checkpoints; the traffic police don't grab or chase them. the traffic police are more like meter maids. they don't grab them because if they fall and die, their parents (if they are rich) can file and charge them criminally. the young sons of the people that live in the big houses behind the paris hotel brag how they fought with the police.

this is cambodia: it's illegal to drive a moto-bike without a helmet, but it's legal for your young child to carry a newborn in the front, all without a helmet. it's illegal to drive with your headlights on during the daytime, but it's okay not to have it on during the night.

tuk tuk prices:

it seems local prices is 5000 riel ($1. 25) for normal trips. it will be $2 for a 5 kilometer trip from the market loaded with groceries.

of course they want more from the barangs, but they want $2 for normal trips.

examples: from street 136, they jump at the $2 fare to sharkeys. but that's a short trip. you can get it for $1. 50 or less. for a longer trip to martinis, when you say $2, they will counter with a higher price. they will say yes as you start to walk away.

driver recommendation for a car:

i would recommend bun va if you need a car and driver in phnom penh. he's honest and doesn't take commissions. i've been using him since the early 2000s.

his rates are $30 for a 8 hour day and $35 for a 12 hour day. add $5 if you want to go outside the city such as the killing fields. he has a 1992 landcruiser.

interesting story: i was on pub street in siem reap once; i was talking to a moto-dope driver; i mentioned that my driver doesn't take commissions; he said there is no such thing in cambodia; he is half way right. hard to find an honest driver in cambodia. i posted his contact info in the classified ads thread. you can also pm me.

note: some other poster recommended him several years ago. then he got e-mails asking him info on ****d girls. he doesn't do **** stuff! he has too much to lose. only contact him if you're interested in legal fun.

golden house on street 136:

there are 4 types of rooms (rack rates are $25, $30, $35, $45). it might be harder to get the $5 discount; the place is getting more crowded; they might try to offer you a free $5 breakfast. i get the $5 discount because i'm an "old" customer.

the manager/clerk chuckled and said no when i asked if there were christians groups there. but many ngo groups stay there. obviously some of the ngos are christians. that's what the other poster probably saw. ngos get a bad rap on this forum (besides the russians and koreans). many ngos are cool people; some of them (probably not too many though) also like to drink and monger. most ngo groups are into other activites besides the sex industry. they don't care about the mongers; they just probably want to take pictures and show it to their friends. only a few are aggressive.

sick example of a bad ngo: [url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2011022146895/national-news/court-gives-dutch-man-18-months.html[/url]

wow! only 10 months for doing all those **** boys for years. i wonder how much that cost him.

interesting fact about ganja: [url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010121645425/national-news/police-destroy-preah-vihear-marijuana-farm.html[/url]

only a warning for 92 plants.

Thanks for the info guys. I had an idea that I had been fed bum info!

100 plants planted for their personal consumption? Hahaha

Thanks for the info on PP.

What places to go for Vietnamese girls in PP?

[QUOTE=John Traveller;1127119]What places to go for Vietnamese girls in PP?[/QUOTE]2 places I know of is Street 63 and Martinis.

Many Viet girls at Martinis will not know much Englsih, but there are a few older mamasan types (not pimps but takes a commission) that will show you girls and translate. But at least one of them will lie in the translation to get the deal sealed; she assumes the guy will not stiff the girl; she's correct.

[quote=greenbud; 1126723]a good website to understand cambodia and its culture is.

[url]www.talesofasia.com.[/url]

his site has mainly good info on cambodia.

transport info:

bayon magazine has good info on transportation, including buses. you can find the free magazine at shakey's.

the khmer bribe for the traffic police is 5000 riel ($1. 25). illegal offenses are driving without helmet, wrong way on street, no license, no tag, and driving with headlights on during the daytime.

not sure what the barang bribe is. a good guess will be $2 or $2. 5. if you get stopped, don't be foolish and pay $5. remember to not get angry, and just smile and talk calmly. getting angry does not help (that dumb asian thing about losing face). does anyone know how easy it is to pay the local bribe amount?

there's sometimes a police trap on street 136; that street is one way. if you drive up from the riverside, that is illegal.

there's also a police trap on the street from golden sands hotel to the beach in sihanoukville; that street is one way. why the hell do they have all those one way streets in sihanoukvile when there is never any traffic; tia!

it seems the main money maker for the traffic police is the checkpoints in the main blvds where they get drivers not wearing helmets. funny: you will see young locals speed away from the checkpoints; the traffic police don't grab or chase them. the traffic police are more like meter maids. they don't grab them because if they fall and die, their parents (if they are rich) can file and charge them criminally. the young sons of the people that live in the big houses behind the paris hotel brag how they fought with the police.

this is cambodia: it's illegal to drive a moto-bike without a helmet, but it's legal for your young child to carry a newborn in the front, all without a helmet. it's illegal to drive with your headlights on during the daytime, but it's okay not to have it on during the night.

tuk tuk prices:

it seems local prices is 5000 riel ($1. 25) for normal trips. it will be $2 for a 5 kilometer trip from the market loaded with groceries.

of course they want more from the barangs, but they want $2 for normal trips.

examples: from street 136, they jump at the $2 fare to sharkeys. but that's a short trip. you can get it for $1. 50 or less. for a longer trip to martinis, when you say $2, they will counter with a higher price. they will say yes as you start to walk away.

driver recommendation for a car:

i would recommend bun va if you need a car and driver in phnom penh. he's honest and doesn't take commissions. i've been using him since the early 2000s.

his rates are $30 for a 8 hour day and $35 for a 12 hour day. add $5 if you want to go outside the city such as the killing fields. he has a 1992 landcruiser.

interesting story: i was on pub street in siem reap once; i was talking to a moto-dope driver; i mentioned that my driver doesn't take commissions; he said there is no such thing in cambodia; he is half way right. hard to find an honest driver in cambodia. i posted his contact info in the classified ads thread. you can also pm me.

note: some other poster recommended him several years ago. then he got e-mails asking him info on ****d girls. he doesn't do **** stuff! he has too much to lose. only contact him if you're interested in legal fun.

golden house on street 136:

there are 4 types of rooms (rack rates are $25, $30, $35, $45). it might be harder to get the $5 discount; the place is getting more crowded; they might try to offer you a free $5 breakfast. i get the $5 discount because i'm an "old" customer.

the manager / clerk chuckled and said no when i asked if there were christians groups there. but many ngo groups stay there. obviously some of the ngos are christians. that's what the other poster probably saw. ngos get a bad rap on this forum (besides the russians and koreans). many ngos are cool people; some of them (probably not too many though) also like to drink and monger. most ngo groups are into other activites besides the sex industry. they don't care about the mongers; they just probably want to take pictures and show it to their friends. only a few are aggressive.

sick example of a bad ngo:

[url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2011022146895/national-news/court-gives-dutch-man-18-months.html[/url]

wow! only 10 months for doing all those **** boys for years. i wonder how much that cost him.

interesting fact about ganja:

[url]http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010121645425/national-news/police-destroy-preah-vihear-marijuana-farm.html[/url]

only a warning for 92 plants. [/quote]thanks greenbud on the latest prices and info.

i have not been back to snooky for over 3 years now ever since they had the motorental ban on foreigners, now require to obtain an actual cambo license. i hated taking the motodops in snooky as they were all quoting outrageous prices. also with the downfall of my favorite blue mt houses it was no longer worth venturing to.

guess this year might be a good time to go back to snooky for a visit.

fz

I went to the bar "69" on street 136 yesterday. Arriving at 10 the place was pretty full of people and smoke. I should have arrived earlier I thoght, when I was here a few days ago at 8 the place was almost empty. I was escorted to the one available place at the bar, ordered a beer, and there next to me stood a girl (8 points, early 20s of age). She was eager to talk to me but seemed somewhat shy. Now, at first I wasnt totally satiesfied with this situation, since I prefer to have a bit time and look around when I enter a place. (The rule: avoid upwalkers.) But most of the girls in t bar were already busy anyway, also this girl seemed nice. So I chatted har up. This turned out to be a good decision. First I asked her if she would come with me and how much. She replied yes and 40. Then I bought her a drink and we talked and touched a bit, I said told har 30 $ would be ok for me, she said ok. So I paid the bf 7$ and drinks 7 (?) , and we went to my hotel. We showered in turns ant went to bed, it turned out that she was terrific in bed and very passionate, a great experience. DFK and DDFK but no BJ. (is this forbidden in Cambodia?) In the bar we didn't specify ST or LT (see my post on Siem Reap on this choice). So I only thought: lets see. It turnd out to be VLT. I will not bore you bwith the details here, but at one time I did run out of condoms. But she had also. She stayed until nafternoon the next day, and seemed that she didn't like to leave at all. I decided to give her 40 instead of 30 (but she didn't ask for anything).

Yes, Cambodian girls are different. Conclusion: I can recommend the bar 69.

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1127513]It turnd out to be VLT. I will not bore you bwith the details here, but at one time I did run out of condoms. But she had also. She stayed until nafternoon the next day, and seemed that she didn't like to leave at all. I decided to give her 40 instead of 30 (but she didn't ask for anything).

Yes, Cambodian girls are different. Conclusion: I can recommend the bar 69. [/QUOTE]Yes happens to me maybe half the time with Cambodian girls that I need to kick them out the next day. Sometimes it's that they're trying to score a boyfriend, and sometimes it's that they want to get paid for another night with you rather than having to find a new customer.