Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1730931]Interesting analysis Paul. I have found Indonesians a "breed apart" as well. Always enjoyed the company there. Too bad it is just not a place that I would want to live.

Truthfully I have not found that many Thais with sexual hangups and it seems to me that most do really enjoy that act as well. What I was speaking to specifically is the deep psychological interplay that you have with some Western girls, where they love to get inside your head sexually and twist at your most prurient thoughts and desires. I have yet to have a Thai gal "get" this. On the other hand, Indonesians seem to, as do many Viets and Chinese. I think it has to do a lot with Thais not being a very introspective people. On the one hand it makes Thai women easier to live with because they are not always trying to "find themselves. " But on the other hand it makes certain aspects of a relationship nigh on impossible.[/QUOTE]You certainly have enough experience with Thai women to speak with authority; and I can appreciate your point about the psychological aspect of an exciting sexual relationship. I've never experienced that with a Thai woman, but then I've never had anything even remotely close to real relationship with a Thai woman.

As much as I liked the Indonesia people I would never think of living in Indonesia, but am interested in revisiting Jakarta again before too much longer. Jakarta is not an appealing destination, but it is a great place to spend a few days sampling the food, which I quite like, and exploring the sex scene.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1730953]You certainly have enough experience with Thai women to speak with authority; and I can appreciate your point about the psychological aspect of an exciting sexual relationship. I've never experienced that with a Thai woman, but then I've never had anything even remotely close to real relationship with a Thai woman.

As much as I liked the Indonesia people I would never think of living in Indonesia, but am interested in revisiting Jakarta again before too much longer. Jakarta is not an appealing destination, but it is a great place to spend a few days sampling the food, which I quite like, and exploring the sex scene.[/QUOTE]Paul, I am with you on Jakarta. It is just too much of an "ass-whippin'" to get around. Not a user friendly city at all. But I would like to make a return visit soon for some fun!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1730439]Police arrests streetwalkers: [URL]http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/over-100-street-prostitutes-arrested-in-bangkok/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Do busts like this really slow down prostitution in BKK? What a waste of Thai taxpayers money.

I found this quote from the article interesting "The operation didn't involve any farrang hooker hotspots so your favourite Sukhumvit streetwalker should be in her usual spot if you are looking for a cheap thrill and a free STD. ". If this is the case why don't girls just work at the bars?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1731024]Do busts like this really slow down prostitution in BKK? What a waste of Thai taxpayers money.[/QUOTE]
It is not at all about slowing prostitution. I guess this Police General needed some good marks on his report card with the Army and found an easy target, at the same time side-tracking some lower ranking contenders. If my memory is not entirely shot, I seem to remember that the Thonglor Police Chief was rather recently appointed to "clean up" that area. Perhaps an "Army sponsored" appointment? If so, this is a nice way to show the Army they should not meddle with the local economy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1731024]
I found this quote from the article interesting "The operation didn't involve any farrang hooker hotspots so your favourite Sukhumvit streetwalker should be in her usual spot if you are looking for a cheap thrill and a free STD. ". If this is the case why don't girls just work at the bars?[/QUOTE]

One should not forget that the sex-industry for Thais is far larger than the sex-industry for farang. I even dare to say that the farang section of the sex-industry is - from an economic perspective - too small to be of any real consequence.

Those few bars in Nana, Soi Cowboy and Patpong may be very "visible" but are really like nothing. And that answers your question: it is just a niche market and hence will attract few players.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1729606]That the good times are past and that the odd punter who reports paying a large sum for a basic S / T experience has absolutely no effect on the overall market. Thus we may bemoan his expenditure and say that he could have paid less. Yes, probably ten years ago he would.

Remember too that the the average Westerner coming to Thailand has a higher disposable income that he would have had ten years ago and he is content to pay market prices for a two week holiday.

Two girls a day for ten days at $50 over the supposed "correct" price is only $1,000 on a trip that is probably costing him nearly $10,000 seems of no consequence.

I appreciate, having first visited Thailand more years ago than I like to admit, that prices have changed (but then I earned probably 5 percent of what I earn now). The only people rising prices have hit are the long term residents of LOS on fixed incomes. Tough but you had some very cheap pussy for a long time![/QUOTE]Simple economics guys. If you think that some guys who pay more really cause the prices to go up then I have one bridge for sale. Supply and demand is and will always be the reason for price fluctuations.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1730822]But getting back to my original train of thought; as much as I like the sexy Chinese sauna girls in Macau and amorous Indonesian girls in Jakarta, there is no way I would consider living in either city full time. All there is in these two towns is shagging and eating. The shagging and good eats are necessary for me, but not alone sufficient to make me want to rent a condo and spend a year there. 5 nights per year in Macau, two weeks at a stretch in Jakarta is enough for me. So that still leaves BKK as the best all around city in Asia to live in full time. I know you have had it rough living here all these years, but it is what it is. Snip.

What about Seoul, HCMC, Bali, Yangon, Colombo? There are so many possibilities out there. I live in Hawaii, the worlds best weather and cleanest environment. But there are real drawbacks. The cost of living is insane. I would think the same as Singapore. A small old house in Hawaii starts around $750,000.

But I have come to the same conclusion that South Thailand is the one of the best choices. I agree with you on all fronts. The availability of activity, food, culture and access to all areas in SEA is right here in South Thai without the stress of living in BKK. The people are friendly and always happy. Also must mention the medical excellence in Thailand. This is of concern as we age. I am only 68 so no worry for awhile.

Keep up the great writing your reports and you input are well received.

Aloha.

RL.[/QUOTE]None of your posts ever mention Malaysia. You could give it a try; I think it's a pretty good compromise between Singapore and Thailand.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1731100]Simple economics guys. If you think that some guys who pay more really cause the prices to go up then I have one bridge for sale. Supply and demand is and will always be the reason for price fluctuations.[/QUOTE]The P4 P industry in BKK has always defied the traditional supply and demand model. When there are fewer dudes, the gals want more money. Thai logic = less customers means I have to make more off each customer. It is one industry that is provider driven.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1731100]Simple economics guys. If you think that some guys who pay more really cause the prices to go up then I have one bridge for sale. Supply and demand is and will always be the reason for price fluctuations.[/QUOTE]Well, to quibble a bit, I submit that yes, overpayers do push up the prices. Not one or two guys, but many, over a period of time, do. How do you determine the value of something? It's easy. It's worth whatever somebody will pay for it. The price of a good or service tends to be predicated on what the "dominant buyers" will pay for the perceived value.

Why are housing prices here in SoCal so ridiculous? You can't touch a tarpaper shack for under $500 K. Why? You can say that's ridiculous, I won't pay it. But the seller will say OK, there are 5 guys behind you who will. The "dominant buyer's" perceived value trumps yours.

Costa Rica is a good example. It's a small place, with pretty women. It has an economy a fraction of Thailand's, specifically about 13% the size of Thailand. I'm sure it's worse now, but a few years ago the ladies all demanded $100 per hour and it was not easy negotiating down. By all reasonable standards given the cost of living, etc. , the price should have been somewhere around $40. (At the time, a LT in Thailand was around 1500 baht) Why so high? It's very east to get to CR from Florida, Texas, and other places in the USA. Over time, loads of horny fishermen on vacation hear $100/ hour and think Wow, that would be $300 (or whatever) back home. The prices go up. And not just P4 P, but everything tourist-related is far more expensive than the equivalent "local" prices.

There is never one single cause of virtually any problem, be it politics or pussy, but I think this is a definite contributing factor to Thailand's pricing problems. The same mindset that pushed CR's prices up has been at work in Thailand for the past 10 years, or so. Another is demographics, but that's another post.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1731267]Well, to quibble a bit, I submit that yes, overpayers do push up the prices. Not one or two guys, but many, over a period of time.[/QUOTE]Everyone's entitled to their simplistic opinions, or their flyover hometown USA frame of reference comparison (tar paper shacks and fishermen?) and frame of references you have from perspective of low end.

In actuality, higher prices draw in more girls to the game -- marginal, sub-standard girls. The effect hurts the guys looking for highest end talent, as at the same time % of high quality girls decreases and eventually they will be locked up and taken out of play.

Disagree if you want. And try and pay as little as you can, you only get what you play for.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1731157]The P4 P industry in BKK has always defied the traditional supply and demand model. When there are fewer dudes, the gals want more money. Thai logic = less customers means I have to make more off each customer. It is one industry that is provider driven.[/QUOTE]Maybe. That certainly seems to be the case in Brazil, although it is not so much there driven by the girls but rather the owners of the establishments.

As to Thailand, I suspect the upward trend in pricing may also reflect that although there may be fewer mongers traveling there, the demographic and socio-economic composition of the monger pool may be changing towards those more inclined to throw their money around. When the girls see this, sure they are going to ask for higher prices if they can get away with it.

But as just stated this is only a suspicion on my part, I don't know the degree to which it is true.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1731157]The P4 P industry in BKK has always defied the traditional supply and demand model. When there are fewer dudes, the gals want more money. Thai logic = less customers means I have to make more off each customer.[/QUOTE]I think that demand (customer opportunities) has actually [I]increased[/I] for the ladies because of technology. More options to market themselves and keep in touch with regulars. Easier to reach a wider world than the arms length area around the bar and the sidewalk. More real-time information on what the market will bear.

How many P4 P ladies are without a smart phone and void of social media savvy these days?

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1731338]I think that demand (customer opportunities) has actually [I]increased[/I] for the ladies because of technology. More options to market themselves and keep in touch with regulars. Easier to reach a wider world than the arms length area around the bar and the sidewalk. More real-time information on what the market will bear.

How many P4 P ladies are without a smart phone and void of social media savvy these days?

SL.[/QUOTE]Sun, I would say there are far fewer Western mongers here than there ever were. As far as Asian are concerned, probably more than before, but to be honest for my first 10 years here the bars were heaving every night of the week. That includes the smaller bars. I think aggregate demand is down. Yes, the gals are more tech savvy, but just because they have more avenues to market themselves does not mean the number of customers has increased. Judging from the crowds or lack there of in the GoGos and hearing the women in the oilies complain about lack of customers then I would tend to believe there are fewer punters around. The majority of younger guys I know here (20's and 30's) are really not into the P4 P scene at all. In fact, they are "grossed out" and offended by it.

The interesting stat would be how the number of Thai dudes in the P4 P scene has changed over the past 15 years.

This is more of a question than a report. I was recently in Cowboy 2 with two friends and in the course of a conversation with one of the girls she told me that they have a 2 tier system for barfines, all the young good looking girls are 3000 BF and the same again for ST? Apparently there are "standard" girls AKA fat or ugly for 800 BF. My question is has Cowboy 2 been taken over by the Arab? As the pressure to buy drinks seems to suggest it has.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1731284]Everyone's entitled to their simplistic opinions, or their flyover hometown USA frame of reference comparison (tar paper shacks and fishermen?) and frame of references you have from perspective of low end.

In actuality, higher prices draw in more girls to the game -- marginal, sub-standard girls. The effect hurts the guys looking for highest end talent, as at the same time % of high quality girls decreases and eventually they will be locked up and taken out of play.

Disagree if you want. And try and pay as little as you can, you only get what you play for.[/QUOTE]That makes no sense. High prices only draw in sub-standard girls? The better girls aren't in it for money? If prices stay low then more pretty girls are attracted to the industry? State your sources, please.

The better girls have better career options. That's the improving economy. There are fewer girls in the P4 P age range. That's demographics. Both of which are also contributing factors, neither germane to this particular post.

Oh, I guess you've never been on a deep-sea fishing trip to another country?

The law of supply and demand never fails over a reasonable time period. The price always adjusts to the supply and demand anywhere.